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CJames

Even that bastion of liberalness, the New York Times, sees the government as a laughing stock https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/world/asia/new-zealand-housing-prices.html And they even quote the unlamented Hugh Pavletich to put the knife in.
The “magic” of Davos didn’t last long. How unexpected. Never mind, carry on regardless
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February 2, 2019 8:00am
- Longknives
  
  They even used an original photo of Ardern (No airbrushing or photoshop)
  Dear Leader will NOT be amused!
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:06am
  - Biscuit
    
    Longknives, on behalf of DPF, this is your First Warning.
    
    Drawing my attention to unmade-up pics of Dear Leader before I have properly digested my breakfast is just NOT on.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:12am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Admit it, Biscuit, you desire her with a passion almost as powerful as the Jacinda-lust that drives that old goat Cap’n Mainwaring.
      
      Here’s a print-out of the brains of you and the Cap’n whenever you think of our gorgeous young world-renowned leader….
      
      https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i-w600/i-cant-keep-calm-because-i-love-her-1.jpg
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:28am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I wouldn’t normally make looks an issue for politicians. But she was celebrated by the MSM for being ‘young and pretty’. And in fact ‘elected’ (yeah, I know, not really) for that ‘young’, feminine glitter.
      
      So, indeed, she does not look young or pretty now and can stop playing that card!
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:04am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Jeepers that photo, looks like Helen has been at her neck …
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:17am
    - Morrissey
      
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      You love her too, you lovesick calf. What a fool in love you are.
      
      No wonder you and so many here hate Clarke Gayford with a volcanic intensity.
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:29am
      - thedavincimode
        
        That’s it? That’s all you’ve got when adern’s stupidity and incompetence makes an appearance overseas? “JibberJabber loves adern.” WTF are you? A child?
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:36am
      - mikenmildagain
        
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        That’s right DVM. How come Morrissey is the only one on this thread making childish comments?
        *cough*
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:39am
      - Longknives
        
        Morning Morrissey!
        
        I always find it amusing that Clarke Gayford was constantly bragging about his ‘Hundreds’ of sexual conquests and what a ‘Ladies Man’ he was etc etc
        Yet he ends up shacked up with this?
        
        https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mugshot-of-us-woman-with-distinctive-face-tattoos-goes-viral-a4012046.html
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:39am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Beats me milky. morrie being a heavyweight intellectual type ‘n all … *cough*
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:41am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Gosh, Knives! Is that Jacinda?
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:56am
      - igm
        
        Like you Breen, she is like an unwanted disease.
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:32am
      - sooty
        
        A social one?
        Just asking for a friend!
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:51am
  - Woz
    
    They even left the moles on her neck!
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:21am
    - Inandout
      
      Woz, like moles on a mole?
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:56am
- harvey wilson
  
  Fantastic
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:14am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Good strong insightful comment there, Harvey. As thorough and rigorous as the U.S. and U.K. case against Julian Assange.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:31am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Still waiting for one shred of proof to back up your claims Morrisey . Just one , you’ve had lots of opportunities but we both know you’re only going off what you read on twitter and left wing blogs.
      
      Your emotionally bonded to a lie that makes you defend a man accused of rape . You’re no different to the people in the movie industry defending Polanski .
      
      That’s as low as a man can sink really , defending a man who abuses women .
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:42am
      - Morrissey
        
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        That’s as low as a man can sink really , defending a man who abuses women
        
        I know, Harv. Why so many people here defend Trump is beyond me, really.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:51am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Still no proof Morrisey .
        
        Are you a Polanski fan too?
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:56am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Chinatown is one of my favorite movies. Polanski plays the part of the guy who sticks a knife into Jack Nicholson’s nostrils.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:57am
      - GoVege
        
        “Accused”, harvey.
        Not proven yet.
        And poor old Polanski will be hounded til the day he dies.
        Even though the victim forgave him long ago.
        
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        February 2, 2019 11:20am
      - harvey wilson
        
        It’s hard to have your charges proven when you’re holed up in an embassy.
        
        One of Polanskis victims forgave him , there was more than one. Six more came forward last year.
        
        Why are you defending a convicted pedophile ?
        
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        February 2, 2019 3:04pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Well she wanted to be world famous and falls over herself to be talked about in the global media
  
  I guess she got her wish
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:15am
- Morrissey
  
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  If by “liberalness” you mean the de facto spokesman for the government spy agencies, supporter of illegal wars and coups, then yes, the New York Times is a “bastion of liberalness.”
  
  https://i0.wp.com/bobcesca.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cant-tell-if-serious.jpg
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:24am
  - thedavincimode
    
    … meanwhile morrie, and back to the point being that adern becomes more of a laughing stock each day …
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:28am
    - howzit
      
      Why did you bite I was hoping he would be ignored today it seems to frustrate the weirdos
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:36am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Were you, howzit? Your strategy seems a little bit abstruse. Nobody else is buying into it.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:37am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Always remind a loser why he/she is a loser.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:38am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Always remind a loser why he/she is a loser.
        
        I’ve just done that at 8:37, vince.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:40am
      - thedavincimode
        
        … ooh morrie, how gay of you …
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:42am
      - harvey wilson
        
        What a pathetic waste of a life , scanning dozens of blogs looking for something to be outraged by and listening to hours of talkback to post conversations with shrill inaccurate posts on a blog basically no one reads .
        
        Morrisey , I learned the other day you’ve been doing that for 20 years . Jesus , that’s sad to think about .
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:46am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Actually it’s 18 years, Harv. But at least you’re roughly correct this time, which is encouraging.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:53am
      - howzit
        
        He is in a mood this morning, obviously wakes up on a Saturday morning and realises he has no mates so tries to muster up some form of self worth here.
        
        Note to self Morris, you are irrelevant. Ones greatest claim to fame is being an on line joke.
        
        Well done son
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:57am
      - harvey wilson
        
        18 years of thrashwanking online about talkback and other garbage and you actually seem proud of that ?
        
        18 years holed up in a bed sit obsessing over people that have no idea you even exist. Wow , that’s beyond sad.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:59am
      - Morrissey
        
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        In a spirit of cruelty and vengeance, zitwoh writes: “Note to self Morris, you are irrelevant. Ones [sic] greates [sic] claim to fame is being an on line joke. Well done son”
        
        https://cdn2.iconfinder.com/data/icons/smiley-emoji/512/2.png
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:03am
      - harvey wilson
        
        bro people here can barely be bothered reading your posts , I doubt anyone ever clicks on the links you put up.
        
        18 years and 9 of those defending a man accused of rape .
        
        And the saddest part is your blog has next to no traffic, 18 years for effectively nothing in return .
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:07am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Twenty years would be right, would have clocked up a bit of overtime I am sure
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:20am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Apparently he used to rant on a couple of sports forums in the early days .
        Had a weird obsession with Andrew Saville back then and would breathlessly report on every time he mispronounced an athletes name.
        
        I’d imagine Morrisey is more of a Jimmy Saville fan these days if his hero worship of Assange is anything to go by.
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:26am
      - Morrissey
        
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        ….obsessing over people that have no idea you even exist.
        
        Come on now, Harv. I think you know that’s not even remotely true. This writer, i.e. moi, has over these last eighteen years goaded, angered, and driven to displays of frothing anger a large number of really rotten radio ranters. The following people have taken the time to lash out at moi, live on air:
        
        Michael Laws
        Doug Golightly
        Kerre Woodham—as well as an hysterical online performance, she wrote a simply hilarious Herald on Sunday front-page denunciation of my young colleague Kerre ohoWmad, snarling savagely about this “craven piece of Internet slime.”
        Brian Edwards
        Larry “Lackwit” Williams
        Danny Watson
        
        Of course, radio is not entirely staffed by fools. I’ve had lots of positive and thoughtful correspondence with intelligent, serious commentators: people like Chris Laidlaw, Kim Hill, Kathryn Ryan, Wallace Chapman, Gary McCormick.
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:28am
      - harvey wilson
        
        I am reminded of the story of the queens correspondence being placed on a trolley and wheeled past her so her lackeys could correctly claim
        
        “ her majesty has seen your letter ….”
        
        Mate I’d imagine you’re lost in a sea of other nutters, obsessives and shutins that hound them by email and letters and they forget which one you are 30 seconds after they press send .
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:39am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Considering “no one” reads my posts, Harv, I’m impressed by your detailed knowledge of them.
        
        And I’m still deeply unimpressed by Andrew Saveloy. As was the late Paul Holmes, who humiliated him live on air with alarming regularity….
        
        HOLMES: Andrew good morning. You’re locked in your chair. What happened?
        SAVELOY: Errrr… ummmm…
        HOLMES: Listen, I woke up this morning and thought I’d written Lord of the Rings.
        SAVELOY: [nervously] Ha!
        …..[Long silence]….
        HOLMES: And then I realised I’d been Tolkein in my sleep!
        …..[Long silence]….
        SAVELOY: Ahhhhhmmm…
        …..[long silence]….
        HOLMES: Hul-lo?
        SAVELOY: Errrrrrmmmm….
        HOLMES: Moving on….
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/daisycutter-sports-rugby-world-cup.html
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:45am
      - harvey wilson
        
        I didn’t know you were still obsessed with Saville.
        I was having a conversation with a mate about nutcases on the Internet and your name came up . Apparently you used to post on planet rugby back in the early 2000s under three or four names and obsession with one news sport reporters were regarded as unhinged back then too . There were encounters with you on other forums apparently but you tended to get banned rather quickly. PR back then didn’t require a login back then .
        
        If that’s the kind of fame you want you’ve more than earned it.
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:52am
      - Morrissey
        
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        I am reminded of the story of the queens correspondence being placed on a trolley and wheeled past her so her lackeys could correctly claim “ her majesty has seen your letter ….”
        
        Mate I’d imagine you’re lost in a sea of other nutters, obsessives and shutins that hound them by email and letters and they forget which one you are 30 seconds after they press send .
        
        That was some primo put-down there, harv! Love it!
        
        You’ve just elevated yourself to the company of these legendary dudes….
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/masters-of-abuse-no1-rick-boyd-jan-27.html
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/a-tribute-to-redbaiter-rip-oct-16-2011.html
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:53am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Lol, Morris ur a leg end, world famous in the Auckland Islands.
        
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        February 2, 2019 10:08am
      - Nermal
        
        Self flagellating for 18 years. That shows either dedication or deep seated neurosis
        
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        February 2, 2019 12:58pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  That is going to piss her off big time. Now she has to tell lies to the World to prove she has done nothing wrong. Isn’t the media a wonderful thing?
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  OMG.. the NY Times article is written by a RNZ National Programme Presenter.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/presenters/charlotte-graham
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:58am
  - Southern Raider
    
    There goes RNZs funding
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:08am
    - sooty
      
      Just as well Clare shafted herself!
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:57am
  - Inandout
    
    Victoria Uni fed, looks trans-like.
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:04am
- backster
  
  Even quotes more bullshit from Eqab Shamabeele now describing himself as a housing economist.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:52am
  - simpleton1
    
    backster;- to quote Eqab Shamabeele
    The country is half a million housing units short of demand, he said,
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/world/asia/new-zealand-housing-prices.html
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:09am
    - Southern Raider
      
      A commentator or economist this week claimed NZ is facing a looming over supply
      
      Lefties which one is it
      
      I also see that coming into the election the stats people provided the wrong info which fueled Winston’s anti immigrant votes. Immigration had already been trending down under National but the count released by Stats was wrong
      
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      February 2, 2019 1:20pm
- labrator
  
  “No government in the last 40 years has seriously tried what we are trying to do,” Mr. Twyford told reporters. “And that’s change a failed market.”
  
  I wonder if Twyford seriously believes this… when exactly did the market get broken and what exactly is wrong with it? He seemed to say the correct things in opposition that it was about land supply but when in power decides its because houses aren’t being build fast enough and then utterly fails with the full resources of the Government to build houses any faster… You couldn’t get any stupider (well, Ardern’s government is still in power so we might yet see it).
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:15am
  - simpleton1
    
    Posted on The Press on Kiwibuild
    Just look at which government ran the building industry down for 9 years to lower than average previously.
    See when the election changed things and the ongoing ramp up of building consents for 9+ years
    Now will that trend upwards? or is that downward blip a start to a collapse? new insulation, landlord issues, etc.?
    
    https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/housing
    New Dwellings Consented January 1995 – September 2018
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:22am
- Aunty
  
  Shameful. This socialist Government has turned New Zealand into an international laughing stock!
  
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  February 2, 2019 1:50pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Wetlands Day to you all!
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February 2, 2019 8:02am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Thank you Mike, I think that you are wet enough for all of us . . . . .
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:07am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s a good day to help preserve our diminished wetlands:
    https://www.forestandbird.org.nz/support-us/donate-forest-bird
    https://qeiinationaltrust.org.nz/donation/
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:15am
- Biscuit
  
  mike, I just had a peek outside.
  
  My lawn has – gasp – a couple of spots where water has accumulated.
  
  I expect ONE News first camera crews along any moment.
  
  ‘WEATHER CHAOS!’
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Or the outline of the Labour cabinet reshuffle
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:10am
    - Paulus
      
      Now recalibrated as she hasn’t a clue what to do -she has nothing to deal with.
      Looking at the Martinborough barbecue she will have to bring Trevor back as he is a useless Speaker, and why was he there ? – to make the numbers up for the photo.
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:31am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    What exactly do you think you are satirizing here? You and your uptickers seem to think you’ve scored some sort of point over mike, but I can’t for the life of me see what it’s supposed to be.
    
    Nobody at all attaches any importance to the fact that your garden has got a bit wet in the rain. How is this utterly trivial and inconsequential incident supposed to invalidate concern about the ongoing loss of New Zealand’s wetlands?
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:06am
    - smttc
      
      Lighten up Albert. It’s the weekend.
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:15am
    - kowtow
      
      I thought he was satirising TVNZ ‘s recent attempt to create a moral panic over summer , a season which weirdly occurs around the same time every year and usually involves a week or two of sunny hot weather , as being man made global warming .
      
      As such I found his comment mildly amusing and so I gave it an uptick , yours being boring I gave a down.
      
      As to wetlands I think we should be grateful to the hard working pioneers of this country who turned wasteland into something productive .
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:49am
    - Biscuit
      
      Thanks for that, Albert.
      
      In no way was I trying to ‘score a point over Mike’.
      
      Kowtow got my meaning…
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:49am
    - softail 1450
      
      Albert Ross ,FFS that comment right there is the reason you have so few friends Albert ,lighten up man and have a fucking laugh ,get out of the house more often ,the world is not as bad as you seem to think it is…..
      
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      February 3, 2019 7:16am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Indeed – we must all accommodate the language of fear promulgated by the lyin’, whoring media.
    
    Bit chilly = POLAR VORTEX
    One hot day = HEATWAVE
    
    I’d like to volunteer a few of my own…
    
    Anthropogenic climate change = GLOBALIST BRAINWASHING
    Well-being budget = MARXISM
    Jacinda = PUPPET
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Not a fan of “Drain the Swamp” then?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drain_the_swamp
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:30am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, you’ve spoiled my morning. I had believed it to be Donald Trump’s own phrase, not something recycled from countless other hacks.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:49am
  - Inandout
    
    You have woken stephie girl.
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:06am
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The power of The US President and his army of climate denier cult followers ,

Polar vortex: Whatever happened to global warming

So whatever happened to global warming?

That’s certainly what President Donald Trump wanted to know when he tweeted this a couple of days ago:

” “In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder. People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!”

There is no question the Midwest is cold – very cold.

Just check the advice from the US National Weather Service. It has warned that the current low temperatures could easily “freeze the flesh off your bones”.

Don’t leave home if you can avoid it, the NWS in Iowa urged, and if you do have to go out, “avoid taking deep breaths; minimise talking”.

Meanwhile the internet is heaving under images of snow and ice.

My favourites include the icy steam pouring off lake Lake Michigan and the thousands of people who have been doing the “hot water challenge”.

Is the president right?

So, is this brutal cold snap evidence that global warming is faltering?

Sadly, the answer is no, as one of the president’s own agencies quickly pointed out in an apparent response to his tweet.

“Winter storms don’t prove that global warming isn’t happening” tweeted the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The NOAA included a link to an article which suggests that severe snowstorms may even become more likely as the world warms.

You have probably already heard that the current brutal weather is thanks to something called the “polar vortex”….”

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-47078054
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February 2, 2019 8:06am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Just need WoO to pop up now and that would be the trifecta in the first five minutes, a new record I believe!
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:08am
- Longknives
  
  Wow!
  Ice cold weather up in the Northern Hemisphere and yet stinking hot down here at the same time!
  Who would have thunk it??
  Christ Lefties are simpletons…
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:09am
  - stephieboy
    
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    And Trump cultists and climate deniers have pea brains!
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:16am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Ha ha, NOAA the group that predicted a mild winter for the US in October?
      But yeh, deflect as much as you can from the fucking shitstorm that`s hitting NZ at the moment from the Coalition of Losers, lucky for you you`re used to wiping your arse with your fingers, the rest of us are stocking up on Purex`s finest.
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, these folks can’t even predict weather a couple of months hence, but expect folks to believe their models for future climate in the years to come are accurate.
        https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/02/01/noaas-failed-winter-outlook/
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:36am
    - MrTips
      
      Wow. The Empire strikes back!
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:34am
- harvey wilson
  
  Stephieboy was obviously told not to interrupt adults when they are talking so I gave it a downvote and sent it to it’s room .
  
  Also no goats for a month .
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:15am
  - stigie
    
    Very harsh. How will he get by..?
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:33am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      It will involve the Trump poster on his ceiling and a large box of tissues…..
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:39am
      - All_on_Red
        
        That would be a Melania Trump Poster…
        
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        February 2, 2019 11:31am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Not my problem , a couple of the goats are limping anyway
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:50am
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        H W, LOL ,classic ,poor septicboy…..
        
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        February 3, 2019 7:19am
- Harkman
  
  So the coldest temperatures ever don’t disprove global warming right? But lefty wanks are allowed to use hot days to confirm it. So unscientific.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Millions of Yanks will be pleased that they’ve got fossil fuels and nuclear power powering their heaters at the moment…
    Those windfarms and solar panels don’t work too well in an Arctic blast.
    https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2018_01_07_07_08_21.png
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:05am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Lefty wankers may say that the occasional hot day proves global warming, just as righty wankers say that the occasional cold day disproves it.
    
    Scientists don’t say either.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @stephieboy,
  
  Why don’t you go to NOAA’s site on the polar vortex?
  https://www.noaa.gov/multimedia/infographic/science-behind-polar-vortex
  
  Here you will find that Often during winter in the Northern Hemisphere, the polar vortex will become less stable and expand, sending cold Arctic air southward over the United States with the jet stream (right globe). The polar vortex is nothing new – in fact, it’s thought that the term first appeared in an 1853 issue of E. Littell’s Living Age.
  
  Nothing to do with Global Warming/ increasing CO2.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:20am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, read my link more carefully,
    
    Are record snowstorms proof that global warming isn’t happening?
    
    “No. Snowstorms require two things: moisture and freezing air temperatures. There are plenty of places where winter temperatures would have to rise by 10, 20, even 30 degrees Fahrenheit before it would stop snowing. Until then, snowstorms remain quite possible, and natural climate patterns and random variability will still lead to winters that are unusually cold and snowy in different locations.”
    
    One way to demonstrate that record snowstorms aren’t incompatible with a warmer climate is to look back at the historical record snowstorms and the seasonal conditions that spawned them. An analysis of such storms between 1961-2010 showed that while most extreme snow storms did occur in seasons that were colder and wetter than average, about 35 percent of snow seasons that produced extreme snow events were warmer than average, and 30 percent were drier than average.
    
    Summarizing that analysis as part of a “state of the science” review of climate change and extreme storms in 2014, a group of scientists concluded:
    
    even if temperatures continue to warm as they have over the past several decades for the next few decades at least, then such record storms are possible, as they have been observed during otherwise warmer- and drier-than average seasons.
    
    Not only are severe snowstorms possible in a warming climate, they may even be more likely. According to the Third National Climate Assessment, there is some evidence that cold season storms in the Northern Hemisphere have become both more frequent and more intense since 1950. Extremely heavy snowstorms also increased in number during the last century in northern and eastern parts of the United States, although they have been less frequent since 2000.
    
    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/are-record-snowstorms-proof-global-warming-isn’t-happening
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Read the contradictory last paragraph you have just posted.
      
      Now look at some real data:
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/01/if-the-polar-vortex-is-due-to-global-warming-why-are-u-s-cold-waves-decreasing/
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:49am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fortunately solar physicists are getting their message out. Reliable data shows strong causative correlations between solar cycles and polar vortexes. Ipcc can at best show some correlation between Co2 and temp. The lie that Co2 causes warming has been debunked by good phycists who argue that Co2 always follows the temp trend. However alarmists are like religious zealots. No point in arguing with them.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:46am
    - backster
      
      Stephie…..Besides as you know about a decade ago the leading scientists of the day were warning the people of Britain that their children would never again seen snow, and the science was settled.
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:11am
- rangitoto
  
  The warmists have been claiming that warming of the Arctic regions has been happening faster than at mid latitudes. That means that the temperature difference is less than in the past, so outbreaks of polar air should be less severe. That is if you believe any of their crap.
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:20am
Chuck Bird

At least this POS got jailed for two and a half years. Not enough but better than home D.

Indexing is good but National does not want to offer tax cuts until more jails are built as well as 4 or 6 land highways where required.

Sexual predator with attraction to ‘deviant sex’ jailed over drugging attempt

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110251419/sexual-predator-with-attraction-to-deviant-sex-jailed-over-drugging-attempt
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February 2, 2019 8:08am
- peterwn
  
  “…until more jails are built…”.
  Ex Sheriff Joe Arpaio would probably take a temporary role in NZ if asked advising on construction of tent jails and how to make life miserable for prisoners so they do not re-offend.
  The prison system should be self funding and self supporting and not a burden on the long suffering taxpayer.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    Plenty of tents available.
    
    ‘They came to Raglan for the music and summer vibes but left behind a mountain of trash – including hundreds of cheap tents and airbeds.
    
    Now staff at Raglan’s Xtreme Zero Waste are struggling to know what to do with two tonnes of plastic waste dumped by campers attending the recent Soundsplash Festival.’
    
    What gets me is the media and organisers blame the Warehouse and not the filthy fucks who litter .
    
    Our media made a storm about the “unruly” tourists and yet our up and coming cool young things are scum themselves.
    
    ‘Some of the tents are soiled with faeces and condoms, so can’t be reused.’
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/110301747/campageddon-warehouse-under-pressure-over-throwaway-tents
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:58am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Would Arpaio even be eligible to travel to NZ as a convicted felon? Or would Immigration NZ have to take cognizance of his dodgy presidential pardon?
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:10am
    - Sideoiler
      
      Would Arpaio even be eligible to travel to NZ as a convicted felon? Or would Immigration NZ have to take cognizance of his dodgy presidential pardon?
      
      Ian Lies Galloway could fix it up for him, big decisions like that don’t take any more than an hour by all accounts.
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:32am
stigie

Wow, iv’e never heard so much crap from the socialist writer Simon Wilson..?
Im now picking Simon Bridges must be a threat to Jacinduh and the Labour Party !~

“The Nats don’t stand for very much. “Responsible economic management” is about the extent of it,”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178750
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February 2, 2019 8:08am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  And he’ll be a whiny little bitch when the economy tanks and he’s hit with higher mortgage rates, cost of living and job insecurity. Bereft followers of the cult of the Thick One
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:34am
- Swifty
  
  That National is not Labour or the Greens is good enough for me.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Sadly that sets an extremely low standard.
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:01am
    - Swifty
      
      Life aint perfect.
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:11am
- nzfreedom
  
  The Nats don’t stand for anything. Their motto is “Focusing on what matters to you.” Presumably if what mattered to most New Zealanders was socialism, they’d deliver it. If the political spectrum was a rugby field, the Nats and Labour would be fighting over a few centimetres near the halfway line.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:16am
  - kowtow
    
    My analogy would be a tug of war . Labour etc are pulling the Nats to the left and there’s none too many on the Nat team pulling hard the other way.
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:03am
- toby1845
  
  Yes, Simon Wilson is a pathetic character. In fairness, I do wonder whether his cancer treatment has addled his brain. I once emailed him to express my concern, and suggest that he consult with a specialist over the side effects of the treatment.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:33am
artemisia

Looking forward to the furious underwater paddling as the thousands of working group recommendations are forced into the government’s glass slipper / election platform. Forming the recommendations into a coherent programme is going to be tricky, even when the working groups had their instructions. Expect quite a few heels and toes to be sliced off in the process.

(Nothing like a mixed metaphor to start the weekend.)
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February 2, 2019 8:11am
- KevOB
  
  Ideas do not equal execution. The Ministers are so incompetent they cannot direct their Depts so their hopes and dreams will come to nought.
  Would you give a child the task of managing a pulp mill? Wouldn’t the staff revolt or at least passively agree and do as they thought best? The COL are in that situation.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:45am
  - Paulus
    
    I am not sure that the Department Heads really know what to do as their Minister’s are incompetent and have no managerial experience in directing anything with the same intelligence of the Department Heads.
    I am smelling “Yes Minister” going on.
    
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    February 2, 2019 11:26am
Lee C

I thought it was a well-considered and thoughtfully expressed overview, stigie.

In fact I came her today explicitly to say that very thing.
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February 2, 2019 8:11am
howzit

Here’s to bridges having a successful year asking some good questions of the tooth fairy.

I know some people want him rolled but personally I hope he makes it to the campaign trial, I think he may perform well on that kind of occasion.

That assumes the Government last till next year of course.
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February 2, 2019 8:13am
oldpark

Noticed an article in Wellingtons’Dominion Post yesterday. The headline read. Fixing Sexism in Parliament. The fake news generated by the Australian import Alison Mau. She claimed that Murray Mc Cully had hosted the finalists of Miss New Zealand in his office. She also said he asked the House to stand and give them a round of applause.Of course all fake news except par for the course for that waste of space Newspaper and its writer from Australia Alison Mau .
Notice in todays Dominion Post there is an apology and a retraction saying they regret the so called “error”I bet they do especially when Murray Mc Cullys’ Lawyers coming a calling. Good one for Murray and Parliament, maybe not so good for their well known fake news writer Alison Mau. What a shame.
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February 2, 2019 8:13am
- Longknives
  
  Has Ali Mau commenced her investigation on the Labour Party Youth Camp cover-up yet?
  You know- ‘Me Too’ and all that??
  *She vowed her team of angry Femnazis would investigate ANY complaints made to them…
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:20am
  - Harkman
    
    Longknives, don’t forget these people are leftists first, compassion is down the list, unless it’s election time.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:51am
- MrTips
  
  IMO, she’s unhinged that Mau. Perhaps a recalibration to the committee of PAPA is in order?
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  oldpark, I would have thought Alison would swoon at attractive females in tight attire? Given her recently discovered sexual bent, she should just shut her gob.
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:12am
- Viking2
  
  More likely herded into Mallards suite. He followed the girls teams everywhere when Minister of Sport.
  
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  February 2, 2019 7:29pm
Chuck Bird

If the Herald is going to start charging they had better do better than Labour supporter like Wildon. He says Bridges is a nice guy and then says like Bridges Cunliffe is also a nice guy.

Simon Wilson: Could Simon Bridges be our Angela Merkel?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12178750
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February 2, 2019 8:14am
- Inandout
  
  ‘I’m not trying to say English was doing a great job for New Zealand. I don’t think that. I thought he lagged way behind on social reforms and his nine-year commitment to creating a budget surplus, at whatever cost, ruined of tens of thousands of lives’.
  
  Wilson is a wanker. (Herald mistake, merely c&p.)
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:17am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Now, what’s going here? The Daily Mail the beloved link of KB’s alt-righters,

Melania Trump accepts Daily Mail damages and apology in libel case

US first lady to be paid damages and legal costs under $3m having sued UK paper’s owner over claims she ‘provided services beyond simply modelling’

“The Daily Mail and Mail Online will pay significant damages to settle a libel claim brought by the US first lady, Melania Trump, over false claims about her work as a professional model.

An agreed statement was read out to Mr Justice Nicol in court 14 of the Royal Courts of Justice in London on behalf of both parties. Trump will receive damages and legal costs understood to be less than $3m (£2.4m). The precise amount was not disclosed in the hearing.

The statement said the article, published in a double-page spread and online last summer, included “false and defamatory claims about [Mrs Trump] which questioned the nature of her work as a professional model and republished allegations that she provided services beyond simply..”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/12/melania-trump-accepts-damages-and-apology-from-daily-mail

LOL
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February 2, 2019 8:14am
- harvey wilson
  
  Didn’t read downvoted though .
  
  Imagine having a life so bereft of meaning you spend your days composing long posts for a forum you are loathed on and then having them voted out of existence so no one can see them ?
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:19am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Fills in time before the disgusting little creep heads off to the mall to perv at little girls.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:30am
  - Swifty
    
    They’re never composed – he merely cuts and pastes.
    
    He’s not strong on original thinking.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:15am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Swifty,
      
      You and” original thinking.” ???
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:31am
      - thedavincimode
        
        The malls are open filthyboy.
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:38am
      - Swifty
        
        Exhibit A: cut and pasted articles on KB from Stiffyboy – hundreds if not thousands
        
        Exhibit B: cut and pasted articles on KB from Swifty – none.
        
        Hmmmmm.
        
        You really are dim aren’t you.
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:40am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Is Stephieboy posting from inside a nondescript van with heavily tinted windows?
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:41am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Which school was it parked outside Harvey? The parents ought to know.
        
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        February 2, 2019 10:08am
      - stigie
        
        Don’t tell me Stiffy is inside this van tossing off as the young muslim girls are walking by..?
        That’s just sordid perversion isn’t it ?
        
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        February 2, 2019 10:15am
      - Swifty
        
        I don’t think so stigie, after all, that would not be permissable:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOkbvuBA_qA
        
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        February 2, 2019 12:40pm
  - Nermal
    
    tl;dr = too long, didn’t read
    sp;dt = stephie post, down ticked
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:07pm
- JibberJabber
  
  *Dalek voice* Deflect, deflect…
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:27am
- pentwig
  
  stoopidthing
  the guardian?
  really?
  snigger,snigger
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:48am
Humble Capitalist

All of these ‘you shouldnt be in business if you cant afford to pay the living wage’ types you see on facebook and in the cafes will be squealing when the prices shoot up. These people have no idea about how hard its getting for many small businesses to keep providing employment.
My prices will be shooting up every year due to labour and compliance costs and that makes me very nervous as we compete against imported proteins
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February 2, 2019 8:14am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes they were all on talk back yesterday after Bolger, saying that businsses have been greedy for too long and its time for pay back and decent wages for lower paid.
  
  What they don’t realise is that NZ still needs to be competitive when it comes to exports and tourists.
  
  We will just price ourselves off the market and our dollar will have to fall to compensate so then all of our prices will be higher.
  
  There is no magic bullet.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:59am
  - srylands
    
    “businsses have been greedy for too long and its time for pay back and decent wages for lower paid“
    
    That has been the mantra of Argentinian politicians since the 1960s. It has not turned out well. Even Australia adopted this approach from the 1950s through to 1983. Tightly controlled national awards. It resulted in a succession of price wage spirals that entrenched low growth and high inflation right through to the late 80s.
    
    It is unthinkable that New Zealand is considering reviving such awful policies.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:24am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    More inflation = more tax creep and more CGT.
    
    This government *wants* high inflation!
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:23am
    - alloytoo
      
      Well in a little over a year it has doubled inflation. It would appear that inflation is its preferred alternative to economic growth.
      
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      February 2, 2019 12:30pm
- srylands
  
  I have noticed in Wellington that the long standing price of a coffee at $4 is now broken with the new standard at $4.50. There is also a push in some cafes to get punters buying large coffees at $5. The margin on large coffees is higher. Just like McDonald’s wants punters to up size their fries ?.
  
  The price of coffee beans is not material in central city coffee bars. It is rent and wages. As minimum wages climb to $20, expect $5 to be the new standard for a coffee. If the economy softens, cutting back on 5 dollar coffees is first order belt tightening. If that happens, the great Wellington coffee bar bubble could pop.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:14am
  - Swifty
    
    Yep – the left are oblivious to consequences it seems.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Thank goodness the hubby has perfected a great flat white with one of those relatively cheap machines from Farmers.
    (Took him about 1 month of much swearing and grumbling before he mastered it, tho’)
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:29am
    - stigie
      
      What brand did you get Maggi ? We’ve had the older type Sunbeam for a few years now, makes a great coffee. Got the best coffee maker award back then.
      If you’re in to strong coffee, try the Jeds espresso grind, nothing touches it !~
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We’ve got a Breville… probably less than $100 on special.
        
        (I am basically a T- drinker)
        I have a morning coffee with hubby to be social.
        
        I Can’t do strong or black coffee
        
        Hubby grinds Bean we get from Raglan Roast or a local roastery – Far East
        
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        February 2, 2019 11:21am
    - Ed Snack
      
      The only problem Maggie, *real* coffee doesn’t have that white stuff added. Real coffee is one uniform colour (a bit of foam on top is considered acceptable) and that colour is very dark.
      
      No bloody sugar either !
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:51am
      - Colville
        
        I will take mine..
        
        Black as hell, strong as death and sweet as love.
        
        (in a small le creuset cup)
        
        thanks.
        
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        February 2, 2019 4:23pm
    - Fletch
      
      I don’t drink coffee, but I bought one of those pod machines which makes a killer hot chocolate 😉
      
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      February 2, 2019 11:33am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Don’t give pavletich ideas. He’ll start another crusade.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:50am
  - MCos
    
    I bought a coffee this morning for about $4.30, hand made by a trained barista.
    People pay that sort of money then drink it sitting in the car or at home or wherever . . .
    The last time I bought a beer at a restaurant it was an eye watering ten dollars plus.
    Twice as much for something that can be picked up at the supermarket for a couple of bucks and likewise drunk at home or sitting in the car or walking down the street judging by the empty bottles I see lying around.
    We bought a bottle of water at a food court the other day for $3.50. Same size at the supermarket 0.42c if you buy 24
    I’m not convinced that the price of the coffee is the reason why the business sinks or swims.
    The place I went this morning is just a hole in the wall outfit with no frills, no food apart from a few muffins, paper cups only, a couple of tables and top notch coffee. It’s like Grand Central Station on a Saturday.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:46pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Mcos, A couple of weeks ago I bought a motorcycle back from the South Island,got a small bottle of steinlager from a dingy coffee shop on the ship back to Wellington ,cost me $10.00. BYO next time.
      
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      February 3, 2019 7:34am
- Viking2
  
  #metoo.
  
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  February 2, 2019 7:56pm
Manolo

America’s Cullen:
https://news.yahoo.com/rep-ilhan-omar-supports-taxing-wealthiest-americans-90-135004259.html

Weeks after Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., made headlines by calling for a top marginal income tax rate of 70% in an interview, her fellow freshman congresswoman, Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., suggested that the rich could pay even more.

“There are a few things that we can do,” Rep. Omar said in an interview with “Through Her Eyes.” “One of them, is that we can increase the taxes that people are paying who are the extremely wealthy in our communities. So, 70%, 80%, we’ve had it as high as 90%. So, that’s a place we can start.”
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February 2, 2019 8:16am
- MrTips
  
  Omar is a lying, nasty piece of work. She really showed that over the Covington affair.
  
  No surprise she’s a Democrat. They love death and lies. And mile high alcohol.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:25am
- mara
  
  Sigh. You can’t reason people out of ideas they didn’t reason themselves into. Stupid Liberal Progressives.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:02am
- Swifty
  
  Good grief – so her plan is just to steal the wealth of others by the force of law and to give it to her political supporters?
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:27am
- Inandout
  
  AOC is quite mad, just look at her eyes when she speaks.
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:20am
  - Nermal
    
    I’m not convinced, still tossing up between mad and stupid
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:09pm
    - Viking2
      
      both + evil.
      
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      February 2, 2019 7:57pm
- MCos
  
  Im continually amazed at the right wing fixation with AOC. The longer this goes on the more attention this woman attracts.
  BTW
  Her tax proposal is a 70% marginal rate on a declared income over $10,000,000 p.a.
  Put in NZ context that’s probably nobody.
  $10mil spread over fifty years in NZ would still put you in the top couple of a percent.
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:02pm
Keeping Stock

My annual pilgrimage to the ENZED Superstock Teams Champs in Palmerston North begins in a couple of hours, with a pre-race luncheon with the mighty Wanganui Warriors.

Anyone with a passing interest in this most primal form of motorsport, which will attract sellout crowds in excess of 15,000 both nights and bring in millions for the Manawatu economy could do worse than follow our progress here:

https://www.facebook.com/WanganuiWarriorsSuperstocks/

Carbon footprint? Yeah, nah 😀
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February 2, 2019 8:16am
- harvey wilson
  
  Have fun
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:19am
- MrTips
  
  Have they invited Helen Clark KS? I’ve heard she’s quite partial to the smell of burnt oil and rubber……
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:28am
- Biscuit
  
  Yep, have fun, Keeping Stock.
  
  I was never a car fan.
  
  I regard Motor Racing as hours and hours of cars going around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around…
  
  But I have mates who love it and ridicule my ‘obsession’ with horseracing with similar vehemence:
  ‘One around once every 40 minutes. How … tedious!’
  
  That said, I am available should any petrolhead wish to take me to the Indy 500 or to the Monaco GP. I’m not FANATICAL in my dislike of the sport, heh heh…
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:54am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Wanganui Warriors Rule!
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:01am
- JibberJabber
  
  One month to go til the Supercars are GO!
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:07am
Happychappy

So Shane Jone thinks he is bigger than what the Cabinet Manual says on interference when legal issues are in progress, in his case the charges being pursued over fishing in a no fishing zone. Jones has gone into bat for his long term friend and political Donor Talleys by saying it’s a technical problem and other statements while the case is pending and whether you like him or not Russell Norman of Green Peace has taken him to task and rightfully so.
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February 2, 2019 8:20am
- Biscuit
  
  Yep, Happychappy, I am no Greenpeace fan but I am on Wed Wuss’s side here.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ll be very interested to see if the Green MPs call for Shane Jones’ resignation …as they did for Nick Smith’s….
    but as I can’t locate last night TV One news clip about Greenpeace’s concern with Jones’ interference, I have a feeling things will go deadly quiet on this issue.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:51am
    - Biscuit
      
      Maggy, if the polls for the parties that make up the Coalition of Losers head south this year, as I think they just might, expect a LOT of noise as each of the parties attempts to put distance between the policies of the other two!
      
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      February 2, 2019 3:35pm
- Paulus
  
  Jones is untouchable !
  He can and will do what he likes with no consequences.
  Understand he contemptuous of our real Princess and shows it.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:35am
  - G152
    
    The reason for his untouchability is his leader,lord and master who has some history in the fishing industry
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:47am
- Keeping Stock
  
  This Talley’s, or is there another Talley’s?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96106426/fishing-company-talleys-bankrolling-shane-jones-nz-first-campaign
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:41am
Salacious Crumb

Wow. Look at kicking the Thick One is taking in the comments section here:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/110316253/after-davos-a-reality-check-for-jacinda-ardern

Better read them quick before Stuffed edits them out.
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February 2, 2019 8:28am
- MrTips
  
  Lol. I would comment but I’m on the Stuff shitlist and blocked as they are well aware of me OIAing about their communications with the PMs office (when Cindy had staff in it)
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Oooh. Is the deep state after you now?
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:41am
    - MrTips
      
      LOL. So you admit Stuff is run by the current 9th floor? Last time I looked Stuff was a privately held infection, about to get lanced by 9 in Australia. It’s really in the crap MM, so why would one care?
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:52am
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        I admit your ramblings seem very foolish.
        
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        February 2, 2019 10:12am
- Southern Raider
  
  Great comments
  
  One calls Cindy “a tornado of talk”
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:37am
- JibberJabber
  
  LoL, there`s even a comment there blaming National for not helping Labour now that they are in power, lefty fuckwittery knows no bounds.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:52am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I don’t see any comments. Must have been deleted. So much for free speech
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:58am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Depends what browser you are using, I find with Chrome nothing appears and also can`t play half the video clips, with Safari not a problem everything comes up.
    It`s all above my pay grade ☹️ maybe someone who knows their stuff can enlighten?
    But yeah, I have had comments deleted a day after they have been accepted.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:03am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Tried it with Firefox. You are correct.
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:14am
      - Viking2
        
        Add in an adblocker and firefox is great.
        You can even edit out people like stupidboy with one of the apps. Someone will know which one.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:02pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Did you scroll all the way to the bottom? They put click bait articles and ads between the story and comments section
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:20am
- RF
  
  Walking bird will not be amused.
  
  I can just hear her…..” Clarkey why don’t my subjects like me any more. It’s time to make me
  an honest woman.”
  
  “Waddaya mean it’s too late for that”…….
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:31am
- Keeping Stock
  
  A sample:
  
  economist2
  Oh dear, Jacinda, if only fixing all these problems was as easy as making totally unrealistic promises, smiling and saying “absolutely” and “lets do this”.
  The problem is that she is and has been completely out of her depth and now everyone is realising the emperor has no clothes
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:43am
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    February 2, 2019 10:22am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Please, it’s too early to have images of the PM with no clothes in one’s head.
    
    Perhaps NZ is waking up to the fact Jacinda as a wonder politician is entirely a media invention. She has never demonstrated any competence at anything beyond a shallow commitment to self promotion, the rest is all puffery. Like it or not, the MSM still has considerable power in this regard.
    
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    February 2, 2019 11:00am
- Woz
  
  Wow! I broke from my no-Stuff regime to take a look. 519 comments and I counted THREE in Ardern’s favour. Even the sycophantic Watkins herself has had a few scales fall from her eyes, although she is still banging on about Ardern’s mythical “triumph” on thd world stage, when a little searching of the web always shows the world gives not one jot about the fairydust princess and her platitudes.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:47am
  - sooty
    
    She is doing really well then!
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:07am
- Classic Liberal
  
  What it interesting also is that we see more MSM photos of Taxinda looking stressed and sad and often alone, and more of Simon Bridges looking strong, positive and surrounded by support.
  
  He just needs to keep it up: sensible policies, no crazy ideas, support middle NZ and a sound economy, but not based on anything the left could call an ‘immigration Ponzi scheme’.
  
  The main thing National got wrong was allowing too much immigration (yes, I know, a lot were Kiwis returning because NZ was doing so well). If they can come up with a sensible immigration policy, they will win.
  
  About Taxinda’s first year student bribe: they were going to vote Green or Labour anyway. National should cut it completely, but have a few good scholarships for people completing medical degrees and other necessary courses.
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:41am
  - lifesgood
    
    Re the student bribe. I was thinking about that this morning and had a little chuckle to myself. Those entitled brats who voted Labour/Greens to have a free year kicking around university and socialising will be the same entitled brats screaming blue murder because they can’t have a house thanks to kiwi phail. Karma!
    
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    February 2, 2019 12:31pm
Southern Raider

Article in the Stuff yesterday by one of their “business reporters” who wrote an opionion piece about how although she is on good money she never has any savings or rainy day event money.

FFS how do you become a “business reporter” when you can’t even manage your own personal affairs
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February 2, 2019 8:29am
oldpark

Was just thinking Peters gift to NZ .Grant Robertson from Lie-bour Party,be better known as “Mr Tax Bracket Creep”.NZs taxpayers are being gouged out of their tax relief entitlements.
Just imagine National had already passed Legislation for some bracket tax relief due to kick in in April 2018. At the time of Legislation . NZs Peters and his Party voted for it. Once he had conned his voting support system and got their votes. Peters then helped his selected NZ Government to veto Two Billion Dollar Tax Bracket relief.
His selected gang of no hopers and tax Tax Thieves wont be allowing “Mr Tax Bracket Creep” Robertson to do what National have promised.They are more interested in introducing again the ” Dead Granny Tax” with a lot of other nasties. Stand by for their announcement on circa February 21 2019.

Of course they will thank their benefactor Peters that without his help ,it would have been impossible to gouge hard working NZs of their entitlements.What a bloody disgrace.
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February 2, 2019 8:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not quite sure from your phrasing, oldpark, but are you upset about something?
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:43am
Manolo

Our stephieboy is thrilled. TDS at its peak:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/trump-accused-of-stopping-working-as-schedule-reveals-he-averaged-one-event-per-day-in-january/ar-BBT2qgY

Donald Trump participated in just one event per day on average throughout January, according to his public schedule, amid mounting accusations he is not working hard enough as president.

Sure as hell: Tom Scott’s cartoon to follow.
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February 2, 2019 8:42am
- fernglas
  
  You’re right. They are so unfair to Trump. Using the words “just” , and “amid” instead of “despite” is the type of pejorative language the MSM is constantly guilty of.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:46am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I have seen a video on FB of Trump working in his own hotel. He was a bellhop, did room service, did dog walking, vacuumed the floor, cleaned the bathroom. They say he does not work?
  Publicity stunt sure, but he is out the doing it.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:03am
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Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters ask Maroon 5 to
‘take a knee’ during Super Bowl Halftime show
by RHIAN DALY, NME, Jan. 31, 2019

Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters has shared a video of himself asking Maroon 5 to “take a knee” during their Super Bowl Halftime performance. The Adam Levine-led band will play at halftime during Super Bowl LIII, which takes place at Atlanta’s Mercedes-Benz Stadium on Sunday (February 3).

Big Boi and Travis Scott will join them as special guests after they reportedly struggled to find artists who would agree to play the event due to the treatment of former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick. The player hasn’t been involved in a game since 2016 and has claimed that he was shut out of games for protesting police brutality and racial justice by kneeling during the National Anthem.

In a statement, Waters said: “My colleagues Maroon 5, Travis Scott, and Big Boi are performing during the halftime show at the Super Bowl this coming Sunday, I call upon them to ‘take a knee’ on stage in full sight. I call upon them to do it in solidarity with Colin Kaepernick, to do it for every child shot to death on these mean streets, to do it for every bereaved mother and father and brother and sister.” ….

Read more…..
https://www.nme.com/news/music/pink-floyd-roger-waters-maroon-5-take-knee-super-bowl-halftime-show-2441517
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February 2, 2019 8:47am
- harvey wilson
  
  Does Waters defend men accused of rape too?
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:54am
  - Morrissey
    
    Don’t think he’d be a Trump supporter, Harv.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:34am
    - Ed Snack
      
      More like a Clinton supporter, or a Democrat in general.
      
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      February 2, 2019 11:02am
      - Morrissey
        
        Dumbass.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg
        
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        February 2, 2019 12:37pm
- JibberJabber
  
  WTF is a “Maroon 5”?
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:56am
  - Morrissey
    
    WTF is a “Maroon 5”?
    
    An insipid little wimp with a tattoo and a guitar. Sings unmemorable sub-Partridge Family pop songs.
    
    Last resort choice when every decent band boycotts Super Bowl in solidarity with Colin Kaepernick.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-09-12-2017/#comment-1424105
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:29am
  - Komata
    
    JJ
    
    According to Wiki, ‘Maroon 5′ is an American pop rock band from Los Angeles, California.[1][2] It currently consists of lead vocalist Adam Levine, keyboardist and rhythm guitarist Jesse Carmichael, bassist Mickey Madden, lead guitarist James Valentine, drummer Matt Flynn, keyboardist PJ Morton and multi-instrumentalist Sam Farrar’. (1)
    
    There’s a lot more, but you get the idea.
    
    ______________________
    (1) [n.a.], ‘Maroon 5’, [online], Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroon_5 [accessed 2 February 2019].
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:35am
- Southern Raider
  
  You sure he isn’t having a go at Levine because he’s Jewish?
  
  Waters is a big sack of shit
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:25am
  - Morrissey
    
    Idiot you are.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:33am
- Ed Snack
  
  If thy really cared about young black men getting shot, then they would want to try some actions to stop the cause of the huge majority of such cases – other young black men shooting them. It’s something like over 95% of young blacks that are shot by other young blacks. It’s not so much the elephant in the room but the bloody blue whale in the paddling pool.
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:05am
  - Inandout
    
    Ed, shooting at a black figure at night could account for some of the shootings.
    
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    February 2, 2019 11:28am
  - Morrissey
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg
    
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    February 2, 2019 12:43pm
  - Swifty
    
    That would be the rational and responsible approach.
    
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    February 2, 2019 12:55pm
  - Paulus
    
    According to the US Census the Afro American represents 15% of the population same % as the Maori in New Zealand.
    Latinos are at 26% and growing fast.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:43pm
- softail 1450
  
  morronissey,this is why most PF followers recognise Dave Gilmour as the real talent behind that iconic band.
  Listen to the egotistical Waters’s latest musical offerings ,no thanks ,he should keep his 76 year old nose out of politics or will be remembered for his political opinions only.
  
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  February 3, 2019 8:18am
  - Morrissey
    
    softers, you know as much about music as you know about the situation in the Occupied Territories.
    
    Nothing.
    
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    February 3, 2019 10:51am
holysheet

During the wedding rehearsal, the Jethro approaches the pastor with an unusual offer. “Look, I’ll give you $100 if you’ll change the wedding vows. When you get to the part where I’m supposed to promise to ‘love, honor, and obey’ and ‘be faithful to her forever,’ I’d appreciate it if you’d just leave that out.” He passes the minister a $100 bill and walks away satisfied.
On the day of the wedding, when it comes time for Jethros vows, the pastor looks him in the eye and says, “Will you promise to prostrate yourself before her, obey her every command and wish, serve her breakfast in bed every morning of your life, and swear eternally before God and your lovely wife that you will not ever even look at another woman, as long as you both shall live?”
Jethro gulps, looks around, and says in a tiny voice, “Yes,” then leans toward the pastor and hisses, “I thought we had a deal.”
The pastor puts a $100 bill into the groom’s hand and whispers, “Cindy made me a better offer.”
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February 2, 2019 8:53am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  And she used ‘other people’s money’
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:07am
Komata

‘….But can he be trusted’?
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February 2, 2019 8:56am
- Biscuit
  
  Vows, I hear, can be ‘recalibrated’…
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:59am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Read between the lines.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:02am
KevOB

What do we make in NZ?
Pricing a new kitchen and bathroom fit out I was astounded to discover that all the items were made in China. That included whiteware and the timber for the benchtop.
Are we exporting wood fibre to have it returned as flat pack carcasses?

Apart from agriculture and horticulture what do we produce in NZ? Have we gone too global? We open our doors to massive population inflows–what is left for the rest to work at? We have to export to fund the demand for imports.
Are our employment/labour statistics hiding a possible serious underemployment? The latter taken up by time spent on phones.
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February 2, 2019 9:00am
- brett68
  
  Try these guys.
  European made flat pack kitchens, great price and really good quality.
  
  https://www.projectkitchens.co.nz
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:19am
  - fernglas
    
    We put a good one from them into a property for under 10K. Beating back the NZ price gougers.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:57am
    - brett68
      
      I put in one of their Euro kitchens, looked a million dollars, water proof cabinets and doors and top of the range German hardware.
      
      8k all up, including benchtops
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:15am
  - KevOB
    
    Thanks, I’ll follow that up.
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:25am
    - toby1845
      
      Likewise – thanks.
      
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      February 2, 2019 7:00pm
  - Inandout
    
    brett,
    ‘Most of the operations, management of the stores, design and manufacture of furniture is run by a trust, INGKA Holding, headquartered in Delft, Holland. While most of the designs of IKEA products are made in Sweden, manufacturing has been outsourced to China and other Asian countries.Dec 5, 2012’
    
    Even De Walt has parts made in, or wholly assembled in China. And yes, IKEA uses wood chips wrapped in plastic veneer for their kitchens, hence the cheaper than solid wood price.
    
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    February 2, 2019 11:35am
- kowtow
  
  Haven’t you heard ? “2019 China-New Zealand Year of Tourism. The 2019 China-New Zealand Year of Tourism is an opportunity for China and New Zealand to strengthen economic ties through tourism.”
  
  We export our unprocessed primary products to them to add value , overseas , while their middle classes grow rich enough to visit our fair shores in hordes , to be served coffee by our minimum wage sons and daughters , who can’t afford to buy their own homes.
  
  How’s that “free” trade deal with China going ?
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:10am
- MCos
  
  “Are we exporting wood fibre to have it returned as flat pack carcasses?”
  I bought a dining room table a few years ago. The bloke told me the timber was milled in NZ, sent to Asia and reimported as tables because it was far cheaper than getting them made here.
  Suits me, I said, give me one.
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:21pm
- Viking2
  
  Plenty of kitchen makers around. Especially in Tauranga.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: I’m in Awe of How Fast the Housing Markets in Sydney & Melbourne Come Unglued | Wolf Street

https://wolfstreet.com/2019/02/01/im-in-awe-of-how-fast-the-housing-markets-in-sydney-melbourne-come-unglued/

The largest three-months fall “since at least the 80’s”: CoreLogic

“Can we still describe this as an orderly slowdown in housing conditions?” mused CoreLogic Asia Pacific’s head of research Tim Lawless about the Australian housing market today. Over the last three months, the index for Sydney dropped 4.5%, and the index for Melbourne 4.0%, the “largest rolling quarterly fall since at least the 80’s.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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House prices keep falling, ahead of federal election and banking inquiry report – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-01/corelogic-property-price-falls-january/10769704
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Realtor: “Even in the GFC, it was nothing like this” – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/realtor-even-gfc-nothing-like/
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February 2, 2019 9:33am
- kevn
  
  @hugh… Nice to see you mentioned in the NY Times NZ housing story/debacle.
  You’ve made it.
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:07am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Kevn … Thank you !
    
    Copy of yesterdays widely distributed General Email / KB GD posting for those who missed it …
    
    New Zealand Vowed 100,000 New Homes to Ease Crunch. So Far It Has Built 47. – Charlotte Graham – McLay – The New York Times
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/world/asia/new-zealand-housing-prices.html
    
    WELLINGTON, New Zealand — When New Zealand’s housing crisis became so bad that one study found only Hong Kong less affordable, the country’s prime minister came up with a solution: An ambitious plan to prompt the construction of 100,000 new homes over the next decade to help ease prices.
    
    But on Wednesday, the government of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said it would scrap its initial targets after failing to meet them, with just 47 of the 1,000 homes it had promised by July built so far.
    
    Those numbers suggest that an answer to the worsening shortage is still years away, and the acknowledgment came as a new study showed that housing had grown more unaffordable around the country, with property priced further out of reach than in the United States, Britain and Australia.
    
    That study, the annual Demographia International report, compared median house prices with median income in cities in seven wealthy countries and in Hong Kong; data from the third quarter of 2018 suggested that only Hong Kong was less affordable than New Zealand, where the country’s median house price was 6.5 times the median income, up from 5.8 in the same period a year earlier. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    Lack of land, infrastructure blamed for rising Tauranga house prices | Newshub
    … video …
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/01/lack-of-land-infrastructure-blamed-for-rising-tauranga-house-prices.html
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    Demographia In The News
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=demographia&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDkbHYj5jgAhUHTn0KHa_vCtAQ_AUIDigB&biw=946&bih=416
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:40am
    - toby1845
      
      Thanks, Hugh.
      
      So, in your considered opinion, now that Labour’s shortcomings are becoming more obvious by the day, how bad were those nasty Nats?
      
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      February 2, 2019 7:25pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Melbourne Housing Prices Plummet At Fastest Quarterly Pace Ever Recorded; Sydney Enters “New Territory” | Zero Hedge
        
        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-01/melbourne-housing-prices-plummet-fastest-quarterly-pace-ever-recorded-sydney-enters
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:18pm
Jack5

Canterbury seeing Red ….

A Chinese water bottler who got access to Canterbury’s artesian resource by buying the allocation of a wool scourer is out to double the amount of water it takes around Christchurch. (The wool scouring has ended.)

This is a hot issue in the south (as it is among Maori), and no doubt there will be attempts to nail it on National.

The link could be National replacing the elected local environmental council with State appointees. The council gave the Chinese the green light to take the water for shipment to China.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110325548/bottling-expansion-could-see-9-billion-litres-of-pristine-christchurch-water-sold-overseas
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February 2, 2019 9:38am
- kowtow
  
  The anti Chinese bottled water thing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
  
  Plenty of protests and emotion when it comes to that specific use of water.
  
  But we have no problem extracting even more water for dairy in traditionally non dairy areas and that is a massive use of water , I heard it takes 90 litres of water to produce 1 litre of milk .
  
  That is also exported to China .
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:29am
  - Jack5
    
    Christchurch has water problems, Kowtow, and so does Canterbury, with the move from crop farming to irrigated dairy farming.
    
    The rivers are drying up, and well water quality is diving.
    
    The issue is more about exporting water that is no longer plentiful. It doesn’t help that the water is going to Communist China, which is buying up resources in many parts of the world – land, minerals, water.
    
    Shipping bottled water matches New Zealand’s backward move into commodities exports: logs instead of timber, and in dairying, where has the progress been to creating a New Zealand version of Nestle?
    
    I’m no lawyer, but it seems significant to me from an economic view, that the working wool scour’s consent seems to have been to take the water for “industrial” use. I’m not sure how the Chinese bottler’s consent is classified.
    
    From a political viewpoint, the (National) Government’s replacement of elected councillors with a State-appointed commissioner still rankles with many in Canterbury. My understanding is that agricultural water issues and demands were the background to this.
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:50am
    - Jack5
      
      For anyone interested, here are details of Cloud Ocean Water, Ltd, which wants to double the volume of water it exports from Canterbury:
      
      Directors: Feng Liang, of Blenheim and/or Auckland; Zongren Ling, of Auckland.
      
      Owners: Hairong Ling, of Lin Yi, China; and, through the Ling Hai Group, of Blenheim – Zongren Ling, of Ri Zhao, China, Qing Hai Ling, of Ri Zhao, and Si Yun Ling, of Ri Zhao.
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:52am
    - Inandout
      
      jack, build more bloody dams in Canterbury.
      
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      February 2, 2019 11:40am
    - wiseowl
      
      They have most likely just applied to increase the volume of the take.
      There is likely to be ample water available and no adverse effects on the environment so the RC most likely will grant increase.
      Whether or not it should be exported is more a moral issue.
      Water should be treated like oil and a royalty added.The RC could then pass on any royalty to the Crown.
      Of course there are complications because as soon as water is mentioned the special people prick up their ears and think koha.
      That is why a government with guts should say water belongs to us all full stop.
      Then introduce legislation that adds a royalty to exported water.
      
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      February 2, 2019 1:21pm
  - DigNap15
    
    If you can get money for something that we have lots of in NZ why not.
    I’d just like to see it go to kiwi owned companies and for some royalties to go the govt.
    
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    February 2, 2019 11:13am
    - Jack5
      
      DigNap15, I’m not sure there is a surfeit of accessible water. Certainly there no longer is in Canterbury, where agricultural irrigation is likely to increase.
      
      Even in Southland there have been shortages of water shortages (see link below).
      
      Poster Inandout says build dams. Yep, but that takes investment, then the water is no longer cheap. However, your idea, DigNap, of a royalty on exports, would contribute to investment for harnessing water.
      
      For Christchurch itself, I vaguely recall that an engineer suggested a tunnel through the alps to the West Coast, but could that be economically feasible?
      
      A lot of water falls on NZ in a year, but it doesn’t fall into ponds or into accessible aquifers waiting for bottlers to tap it.
      
      Water shortages predicted for Canterbury:
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/109069946/water-shortages-predicted-for-southland-despite-fifth-severe-weather-warning
      
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      February 2, 2019 12:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        Edit: Whoops and sorry! I should have typed in the last paragraph: “Water shortages predicted for Southland“
        
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        February 2, 2019 12:46pm
      - Inandout
        
        jack5, National were all ready to rein in the iniquitous RMA, but if I recall Dunne watered down the act. This is what kills dams of the size Muldoon brought in, and argue as much as you like but dams are bloody effective at holding water and creating power. I remember how the Greens moaned about Lake Manapouri and singers penned ‘crying’ songs. The underground dam is feat of engineering.
        
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        February 2, 2019 6:28pm
    - Southern Raider
      
      And apart from lack of spare water my main issue is their is no royalties or benefit flowing back to NZ. They gave access to basically free water, will hire a dozen minimum wage workers and all the profits will go off shore. We won’t even get any tax as they’ll on sell to a Chinese company at near cost and tax will only be due in China
      
      This is not the kind of business we want in NZ and it’s classic demonstration of China raping and pillaging over countries resources for their sole benefit
      
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      February 2, 2019 1:59pm
RF

Calling walking bird….

More trouble at Mill.

Nash involved in a verbal altercation at the parliamentary gym.

Mallard not impressed with both gym members fighting over weights.

Time for a serious concerned face with a slight tilt of the head.

This Govt is imploding.
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February 2, 2019 9:45am
- kevn
  
  @RF… Nash (the bloke with the dyed hair) has spent too much time in the gym with haumaha.
  
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  February 2, 2019 9:57am
  - Longknives
    
    Nash is going to struggle to maintain muscle mass once his Looney Government ban Meat and Protein…
    Won’t get very big eating Lentils and Mungbeans champ!
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:10pm
- brett68
  
  Roid rage?
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:17am
- Longknives
  
  What kind of dickhead gets into a fight at the Gym??
  Seriously- This Labour mob seem to have serious trouble controlling their egos..
  
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  February 2, 2019 1:09pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Roid rage !
  
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  February 2, 2019 6:21pm
- toby1845
  
  Does anyone know how I can get a job where I can work out in a taxpayer funded gym, during working hours, while being paid 250k plus by the taxpayer?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  February 2, 2019 7:33pm
- softail 1450
  
  Nash ,suffering “roid rage”is probably the truth.
  
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  February 3, 2019 8:24am
JibberJabber

Did some one mention Clarke and Dawes?

Close your eyes and it`s her, the likeness is uncanny.

https://youtu.be/cD0vNWy_a8M?fbclid=IwAR2_akF6MByDYYUbA8O5B_Rns2LJXEe5rwQFf45okuuQ9t8A-JmE4q0TOWE
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February 2, 2019 9:47am
- waikatogirl
  
  Was that John Clarke or Phail Twitford? Can’t tell the difference. ?
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:02am
Gerrit

Whilst looking at background information in regards the Greens v NZ First fisheries set to, come across this statement

“It’s understood the view of NZ First MPs involved in the process is they have veto power over any of the thousand of appointment ministers make each year as these are not spelled out in the coalition agreement.

NZ First is pushing the appointment of World Wildlife Fund NZ (WWF) chief executive Livia Esterhazy, the sources said. WWF has a partnership with Moana New Zealand, an iwi fishing giant that owns half of Sealord, and which is involved in stewardship programmes. Some in the fishing industry see the non-governmental organisation as more friendly as a result. Esterhazy has not responded to requests for comment.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108752100/nz-first-blocking-scientists-fisheries-review-appointment-over-bias-claims

Surely Labour haven’t given away the right to appoint those who they (Labour) sees fit to fulfill a functions without running it past their minority MMP partner first?

Worse than I thought if true, no wonder Labour is so lead footed and highlights who is really running the show, Winston First.
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February 2, 2019 9:56am
waikatogirl

Did anyone else see the clip last night of Cindy meeting with The Chair of Iwi group at Waitangi in which she announced a working group of Maori would be set up to look at water use? There were some Maori with bemused faces and a journalist questioning Cindy if it was a good idea to duplicate the work already been done on the issue by the Chair of Iwi at the cost of $4m. Cindy’s answer, “Yes”.
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February 2, 2019 9:57am
- kevn
  
  @wg… It’s only our money.
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  
  it’s at 1:29 on this clip
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/iwi-leaders-tell-prime-minister-we-dont-want-our-message-diluted?variant=tb_v_1
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:23am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Thanks Maggy. ?
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:31am
  - Swifty
    
    What a load of horseshit from Jacinda.
    
    Meaningless waffle – and I see from Angry’s reaction he knew it too.
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
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    February 2, 2019 10:46am
    - mustlovedogs
      
      Yep…. Angry Andy looks like he was almost failing at holding back an eyeroll and a WTF is she on about now.
      
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      February 2, 2019 11:07am
      - Swifty
        
        Heh
        
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        February 2, 2019 11:57am
      - Inandout
        
        A body language expert would read Angry’s face. My God, Cindy looks pale and drawn.
        
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        February 2, 2019 6:42pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      What a load of horseshit from Jacinda
      
      Steady on Swifty. Maori voted in droves for that horseshit. They voted their own party out of existence. They voted for their new “aloof” and “paternalistic” relationship (their words). I guess if you vote like children you’re bound to be treated like children. After all, toothy knows best.
      
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      February 2, 2019 1:36pm
- Bill felt
  
  Cindy on the Water Reform
  TVNZ: “Are we just doing the same work with different maori?”
  Cindy: “No. As you would have heard the work that we have already presented, the work that has already been completed, ah was informed by what had already been done as well, we are just taking it to the next level.”
  TVNZ: “What that means in practice isn’t clear”
  
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  February 2, 2019 12:31pm
  - Niz
    
    What that means _at all_ isn’t clear.
    
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    February 2, 2019 12:46pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It means, that a new lot of chaps are going to be paid mega$$$$$$ koha (i.e. taxpayer largesse) for saying exactly the same as the first lot.
      
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      February 2, 2019 1:25pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Environment Minister David Parker said he really wanted to try and tackle freshwater allocation issues
    
    About bloody time, I`d like to be allocated a little less that falls on my head this coming winter, if you could arrange it, that would be great.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:23pm
igm

So the unelcted PM is now receiving personal letters from Sroubek’s father maligning National MPs.
What in hell is going on here . . . seems there is something real interesting being hidden from us!
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February 2, 2019 10:05am
- sooty
  
  Corruption is been hidden from us!
  Slease Gallop Away was told to hid it and he stuffed up her orders. So now she has to sort it out, while not demoting Slease for the orders. But then is Slease Gallop Away running a cunning plan that would do Blackadder proud!
  Is he actually bringing JacinDUHs aim to protect the drug runners to ensure a ready supply for the leadership out in the open!
  Should the Slease be given a medal instead?
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:19am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Corruption is been hidden from us!’
    
    That goes straight back to KS’ s 8 41 post about the secret nature of donations to political parties .
    
    While any post that’s anti Jonsey , Lab or Greens will get big support here ,the thing is they’re all at it , including the Nats and it cheapens and destroys our democracy .
    
    China is actively buying politicians and our media are largely silent , ( obsess about global warming and Trump and identity politics but not about MP’s for sale FFS!)
    
    Oh dear , how sad , carry on .
    
    More fool us for voting for the same old , same old.
    
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    February 2, 2019 11:20am
- Inandout
  
  I look at our CoL, and I read this:
  
  ‘A survey at Maastricht University in the Netherlands found that a single dose of coke—so a bump, or a tiny, little line—can impair your ability to recognise negative emotions in other people, which is why you’re under the impression everyone is eternally interested in what you have to say, when, really, they are not’.
  
  Just an observation I say, other than that I couldn’t possibly comment.
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:45am
- Southern Raider
  
  Is Jethro actually the father of the Royal Baby?
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:57am
- toby1845
  
  igm: any details, please?
  
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  February 2, 2019 7:45pm
Niz

There was something on the news a couple of weeks back about the PM telling a story to the people at Davos about somebody on a Pacific island showing her a place where they used to play as kids, but which is now underwater.
Does anybody know which island that was?
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February 2, 2019 10:53am
- mustlovedogs
  
  Never Never Land… where the Lost Boys hung out until they joined the Labour caucus and rustled up Tinkerbell to decorate their turds with glitter.
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:09am
- Southern Raider
  
  She is so fucken simple it was probably the tide
  
  She misunderstood when they said “they used to play there” that was 6 hours ago at low tide that same day
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:14am
  - thedavincimode
    
    She is so fucken simple it was probably the tide
    
    Classic. And most likely true.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:28pm
- kowtow
  
  Niz , which Island , great question , she didn’t say. Here’s the quote .
  
  ‘Ms Ardern responded by saying that the best method was to show rather than tell.
  
  “It only takes a trip to the Pacific to see that climate change isn’t a hypothetical, and you don’t have to know anything about the science or even have an argument about the science to have someone from one of the Pacific Island nations take you to one of the places they used to play as a child on the coast and show you where they used to stand and now where the water rises.” ‘
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/380722/ardern-s-plea-for-climate-change-action-be-on-the-right-side-of-history
  
  Our media have taken up the US’s media fascination with fact checking Trump. Well wouldn’t it be nice to see them call this world stage grand stander on her claim . Where was this spot ? Show us , tell us about it !
  
  But they won’t.
  
  The media are hawkers of their favoured politicians lies. Trump calls it fake news and he is right.
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:28am
  - Niz
    
    I ask, not because I doubt her (perish the thought), but because many islands have recorded a great _lack_ of sea level rise. I’m interested in checking the records for this particular sinking island.
    
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    February 2, 2019 11:36am
    - Niz
      
      Nah, just kidding. I do doubt her.
      
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      February 2, 2019 11:45am
    - Southern Raider
      
      The islands sinking are actually sinking and it’s not because the sea levels has risen it’s because the ground level has reduced. Many of the atolls have sunk because of ground water extraction and building activity.
      
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      February 2, 2019 11:55am
      - KevOB
        
        Tarawa, Kiripati, is sinking because of an excessive population tramping down the coral atoll. What worked with 10,000 now has 50,000.
        The sea at high tide washes right over the top too.
        Nothing to do with climate change but good for promotion.
        
        Other islands are sinking because the people eat the fish that replenish the coral.
        
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        February 2, 2019 1:55pm
      - Jack5
        
        It’s bullshit. Global “Warming” panic stuff.
        
        Low-lying Pacific Islands are growing, not shrinking.
        
        https://www.geospatialworld.net/news/pacific-low-lying-islands-are-growing-not-shrinking/
        
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        February 2, 2019 2:41pm
  - Paulus
    
    Thought it was called erosion not help by population growth.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:51pm
    - kowtow
      
      The processes vary depending where.
      
      Some islands are fast sinking due to tectonic plate movements.
      Some , like Funafuti were fucked by the Yanks turning it into an airfield so they could incinerate 100’s of thousands of Tokyoians .
      
      The work they did there , plus over population , drawing excessive amounts of fresh water out of the water table etc turned it into the darling of the alarmist fraternity who were able to carefully use photos of the borrow pits to give the impression that Armageddon had arrived ( the fact they used the pits as rubbish pits , pig styes and toilets didn’t help)
      
      But we should all be happy that our tax dollars have been well spent tidying the place up .
      
      https://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/299471/tuvalu's-borrow-pits-finally-filled-in
      
      “During World War II, U.S. forces built a major staging ground in Tuvalu—then the British-ruled Ellice Islands—for an assault on Japanese-held Tarawa to the north. Ecologist Ursula Kaly says the serious erosion along Funafuti’s lagoon-front was set in motion by the wartime backfilling and building of sea walls, most of which disintegrated long ago.
      
      Mataio Tekinene, Tuvalu’s director of environment, shows me where the coral building materials for Funafuti’s runway, sea walls and a dozen other World War II projects came from—deep pits in the porous coralline ground now filled with brackish water and trash. Islanders fear that a big storm could force churning seas through the pits and break through to the lagoon, flooding the island.
      
      But the armed forces aren’t the only guilty parties. Residents quarried for rocks, gravel and even sand for building materials, Tekinene says, promoting erosion. These days, construction materials for big projects must be imported. International aid organizations have also contributed to the problem—for instance, by encouraging Tuvaluans in the late 1980s to replenish a sea wall with beach rubble tossed ashore by a cyclone. The wall has disintegrated, and the shoreline, once protected by the rubble, is exposed.
      
      And then there’s the population boom. Since 1980, the population of Funafuti has more than doubled, from about 2,000 to 4,500, or almost half of Tuvalu’s citizenry. “It can be a little tricky to judge which environmental effects are induced locally by humans and which are created by human societies outside Tuvalu,” Tekinene says.”
      
      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/will-tuvalu-disappear-beneath-the-sea-180940704/
      
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      February 2, 2019 2:52pm
      - lilman
        
        Sorry,the so called “yanks” can be forgiven for their work in the second world war as they were there fighting.
        Not like us, they actually had to fight and die, we don’t,never have.
        
        You ever been in a fire fight?
        
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        February 2, 2019 6:48pm
      - toby1845
        
        Given that most military historians now agree that the island hopping campaign was unnecessary, and that those ‘Yanks’ could have bypassed the likes of Tuvalu to strike more quickly at islands within bombing range of Japan, she may have a point.
        
        Of course, that would have condemned Tuvalu’s male population to slavery and the women to sexual exploitation, but……
        
        Goddam Yanks. The source of the world’s problems since at least 36BC.
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:21pm
- artemisia
  
  Must be Tuvalu.
  
  Oops, it’s getting bigger. Must be the global warming.
  
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  February 2, 2019 3:22pm
Southern Raider

So amazing I may cry

Herald is running a story about a Glendowie College girl who has come out and won an essay competition about it

It’s so beautiful
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February 2, 2019 11:11am
- DigNap15
  
  And it was the main story!
  FFS
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:13am
  - Southern Raider
    
    “I thought I could only ever like boys”
    
    Also manages to get the “trans are discriminated against” line in there
    
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    February 2, 2019 11:49am
- Longknives
  
  Yawn- I suspect her only ‘Bisexual’ experience thus far has been snogging a friend during a game of Truth or Dare…
  She will get a hell of a fright when she meets some real Lesbians!
  
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  February 2, 2019 1:04pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Her parents must be so proud of her
    
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    February 2, 2019 2:04pm
Fletch

The new so-called “Deep Fake” videos are here, where you can make any person appear to say anything. The videos are now generated with ‘neural networks’ (an artificial intelligence) that can intelligently superimpose someone’s face on top of someone else and make them appear to say things they never did.

eg, here is Steve Buscemi’s head superimposed on Jennifer Lawrence’s body.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzhN7LyNJHs

Yes, it’s funny, but if it was an male actor’s body and they made him say something controversial? Maybe do it to Trump or another politician?

More on the technology –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMF2i3A9Lzw
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February 2, 2019 11:13am
- Fletch
  
  More – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:26am
DigNap15

In Tauranga they are short of bus drivers they say they need 40.
They say its a good job.
But they cannot get them.
May be people want job satisfaction and the thought of driving an empty bus round all day with no one in it is not the sort of job to give you satisfaction.
It would make you feel guilty.
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February 2, 2019 11:18am
- Southern Raider
  
  Isn’t it ironic though that the council causes those low bus driver wages because of their procurement processes for public transport, but then another part of the same council wastes money on “social good” outcomes, solving poverdy etc
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:52am
  - Morrissey
    
    Yes, of course, public money should go to the rich.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2910957/Bill-English-buckles-over-housing-allowance
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:22pm
dcrown

Virginia governor Ralph Northam dressed up in blackface and a white hood. Further evidence that Democrats are the party of the KKK.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/428125-ralph-northam-yearbook-page-shows-men-in-blackface-and-kkk-robe
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February 2, 2019 11:34am
- Fletch
  
  After-birth of a Nation…
  
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  February 2, 2019 7:49pm
lifesgood

I had the misfortune to catch a bit of The Panel on Nat Radio yesterday. They had this person called Lizzie Marvelly on. Who is she, BTW and why should we be interested in anything she says. Anyway this remarkably stupid girl was talking about “period poverty” Sheesh, what will they come up with next? Anyway she claims some girls can’t go to school because they are too poor to buy tampons. For god’s sake use washable cloths the way they always used to. Tampons are a very recent invention. All these girls need is a bit of education, not a handout. What absolutely blew me away, though, was that this Marvelly person said “Any girl or woman, or any person having a period, should be able to afford tampons” or words to that affect. This moronic person seems to think that people other than females can have periods. Honestly, why do we have to put up with this crap being spouted at us. I turned the radio off, pronto.
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February 2, 2019 12:42pm
- Southern Raider
  
  You need to take note of everything she says.
  
  Although white she claims to be a millennial lesbian Maori
  
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  February 2, 2019 1:00pm
  - Paulus
    
    Believed to be a relative of the Rotorua Morrison whanau – need that to get on the stage even if you can’t act or sing down there.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:53pm
  - Jack5
    
    Here’s Marvellous Nellie in a Ted Talk saying NZ has the worst sexual violence statistics in the OECD.
    
    That doesn’t seem to fit the data from the OECD at the second link, even though it’s chart is for more countries than just OECD members, and that it’s dated 2014.
    
    1. ~~Marvellous Lizzy~~ Lizzie Marvellie speaks:
    
    https://youtu.be/2HQjS33JJFE
    
    2. OECD chart:
    
    https://data.oecd.org/inequality/violence-against-women.htm
    
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    February 2, 2019 3:01pm
  - Viking2
    
    Nah one of the Morrison clan I think you will find.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We covered this in a KB GD a couple of months ago…
  
  It appears UK schools have to teach about Boys having periods..
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/16/boys-can-have-periods-schoolchildren-taught-latest-victory-transgender/
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/109414247/uk-school-children-to-be-taught-boys-can-have-periods-too
  
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  February 2, 2019 1:33pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Oh that is utterly ridiculous. Boys can’t have periods, even transgender thingies can’t have periods. They don’t have a uterus for goodness sake. Why are children allowed to be fed this completely false rubbish. It’s criminal.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:56pm
    - Longknives
      
      Men can’t change their sex and become ‘Women’ either lifesgood!
      It is Scientifically impossible…
      
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      February 2, 2019 2:21pm
    - Paulus
      
      Don’t boys have a period every 20 seconds ?
      Remember it is the lightest thing in the world – rises at the thought.
      
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      February 2, 2019 4:20pm
- kowtow
  
  I heard Christie and Marvelly were the guests so saved myself the grief and didn’t bother.
  
  In any event with Chapperson the new host the show has lurched even more left.
  
  Avoid unless ther’s a decent guest like Boag or Franks.
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:37pm
Morrissey

“You should be ashamed of yourself, Madam.”
The Ugly Face of Trump’s America

This stupid woman epitomizes the kind of low I.Q. lowlife that votes for people like Trump. The heartening thing here is that the rest of the passengers are clearly appalled by her.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/01/us-woman-rants-on-plane-after-being-sat-between-two-big-people.html
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February 2, 2019 12:50pm
- Morrissey
  
  One NewstalkZzzzzB listener is with us, I see. Go away, loser.
  
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  February 2, 2019 12:56pm
  - Swifty
    
    You really are fucken pathetic.
    
    Must you come and shit here every day?
    
    Your crap is just juvenile. It’s not clever and it’s not funny.
    
    FFS.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:00pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I agree with you Swifty, but when fuckwittery is your brand and reason for existing you have to keep squirting it out.
      
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      February 2, 2019 1:12pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You just keep away from those nuns, Cap’n, you old deviant.
        
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        February 2, 2019 9:11pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Swifty, you need to understand what’s going on here. Deep down poor old morrie is overwhelmed by self-loathing because he’s a crushing failure so he lashes out at anyone who enjoys even modest success at their endeavours, especially success in public.
      
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      February 2, 2019 1:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Didn’t Morrissey tell us last week that he was going to be nice to everyone on KB and not indulge in abuse?
        What went wrong with that grand plan?
        
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        February 2, 2019 1:50pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        If that was the case Maggy, I can only surmise that his undertaking was given in the expectation he was about to enjoy some modicum of success at something. Tragically, this expectation appears not to have been fulfilled, hence …
        
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        February 2, 2019 1:58pm
      - stigie
        
        Maybe ole Morrie should take a visit to Madam Lashes House of pain if he is overwhelmed by self loathing.
        To get his rocks off weekly would set himself up to recalibrate the tripe he talks on here daily !~
        
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        February 2, 2019 3:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Apologies folks,
        I didn’t read Morrissey’s post properly (does anyone?).
        He was only going to be non-abusive for One day.
        Which is why today, everything this writer contributes to this excellent forum will be positive, encouraging, and collegial
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/01/general_debate_22_january_2019.html
        I further apologise for even making reference to one of his many disappeared posts.
        
        mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
        
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        February 2, 2019 4:01pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I may be wrong but I do believe Morisey/Austiny also contributes to Stuff under the name “bert” as the duty leftist! 🙂
        
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        February 2, 2019 4:06pm
      - Morrissey
        
        ….lashes out at anyone who enjoys even modest success at their endeavours…
        
        That woman was a success, was she, vince?
        
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        February 2, 2019 8:09pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I think your anger should be directed at that woman, surely, witfys. And the politicians who have created such a horrible climate of intolerance that people like her feel entitled to sound off like that.
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:11pm
- Jack5
  
  ? Why did you try to bring Trump into that, Morrissey? He has his own plane, and even if the lovely Melania flew in a commercial flight, she would not behave like that.
  
  My link below is to an article suggesting upwards of 600,000 people are flying in commercial airliners at any one time.
  
  There must be a helluva lot even ruder people ranting than the one you highlighted – and ranting right now!
  
  https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-are-in-the-air-flying-at-any-given-time
  
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  February 2, 2019 1:13pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Why did you try to bring Trump into that, Morrissey?
    
    Come on Jack, there are enough silly blighters playing the ignoramus around here. You know perfectly well why Trump is the feculent shadow hovering over that disgusting misbehaviour by one of his supporters.
    
    He has his own plane,
    
    Yes, rack-renting and a lifetime of dodgy “deals” results in transferring obscene amounts of money to the most undeserving and insalubrious people.
    
    …. and even if the lovely Melania flew in a commercial flight, she would not behave like that.
    
    Maybe she wouldn’t, but her foul husband most certainly would—in fact, he has behaved much worse than the addle-headed woman on that clip. In 1980 the P.O.S. was still flying on commercial airlines….
    
    AMY GOODMAN: Well, for more, we’re joined by Jessica Leeds, the woman Trump just referred to in his news conference, one of the 16 Trump accusers who decided to speak out as Donald Trump was running for president. Jessica Leeds says Donald Trump groped her in the first-class cabin of a commercial flight, tried to put his hand up her skirt. She has recently retired after working 30 years as a stockbroker. She’s a mother of two, grandmother of eight.
    
    Welcome back to Democracy Now!, Jessica. It’s great to have you with us. Before I get you to respond to Donald Trump, explain what happened to you, for people who aren’t familiar with what happened when you got on a commercial flight. When was it?
    
    JESSICA LEEDS: Oh, it was in the—around 1980. And I, at this point, would think that everybody has heard about it. So, it’s—
    
    AMY GOODMAN: Assume nothing.
    
    JESSICA LEEDS: Forgive me if, to some degree, it sounds like an old story. I was a traveling sales rep. I was on an airplane coming in from either Dallas or Atlanta. I don’t remember which one, but it was a long flight. And the stewardess came back to me in the business section and asked me would I be interested in coming up to first class. Worked for me. So I came on up, and it was the first two seats in the section, right against the bulkhead.
    
    There was a young man sitting there, blondish. He stuck his hand out, introduced himself as Donald Trump. Name meant nothing to me. While I was working out of Connecticut, New York and New York politics, New York society was totally out of my realm of knowledge. Dinner was served, and it was after dinner when, truly, all of a sudden, without a word, without a “by your leave” or about any kind of social conversation, he started groping me.
    
    AMY GOODMAN: What does that mean? What did he do?
    
    JESSICA LEEDS: His hands were—he was trying to kiss me. His hands were on my breasts. He was—we were kind of wrestling. But I didn’t say anything. He didn’t say anything. So it was like this kind of kabuki theater in the silence. I remember thinking, “Why doesn’t the guy across the aisle say something? Why doesn’t the stewardess come back?” And it seemed to go on forever, but, or course, it didn’t.
    
    AMY GOODMAN: He put his hand up your skirt?
    
    JESSICA LEEDS: Yes, he started putting his hand up my skirt. And that’s when I, with effort, managed to wiggle my way out, grabbed my purse, and I went to the back of the airplane. And I sat there until the plane landed and was completely clear, before—because I didn’t want to run into him. And that’s what happened.
    
    AMY GOODMAN: You didn’t tell a flight attendant?
    
    JESSICA LEEDS: I did not tell the flight attendant. I didn’t tell the airlines. I didn’t tell my boss. I didn’t tell my family. I didn’t tell anybody. I really kind of chalked it off that he was a jerk, and those were kind of the things that could happen on the road.
    
    AMY GOODMAN: You bumped into him after that?
    
    JESSICA LEEDS: Yes, four years later in New York City. And by that time, I knew who he was. I knew his family’s—because I was working for a charity, and it was very important to them to have the Trump come. And I was assigned to give out the table numbers. And Trump and his wife, Ivana—she was very pregnant at this point. She came up. Oh, it was a gala evening, all the designers. I got to meet all the designers. But, here comes Trump. And now I’m remembering that whole situation, and that’s what’s flashing through my mind, but I’m not saying anything. And I hand him his table assignment, and he looks at me, and he says, “I remember you. You were that woman from the airplane.” And then he called me a very obscene name.
    
    AMY GOODMAN: Starting with a C.
    
    JESSICA LEEDS: Yes.
    
    AMY GOODMAN: Four letters.
    
    JESSICA LEEDS: Yes. And it was like I was suddenly all alone. It was a crowded room, but suddenly I felt so alone. It was like everybody sort of disappeared. And nothing more was said. He took his—and went off his merry way. And I left as soon as I possibly could. ….
    
    https://www.democracynow.org/2018/9/27/con_game_trump_accuser_jessica_leeds
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:28pm
    - toby1845
      
      Sorry, stopped reading as soon as I read the words ‘Democracy Now’.
      
      Same thing happens whenever I see:
      
      The Guardian
      New York Times
      Washington Post
      The Economist
      The Atlantic
      Stuff
      Newshub
      NZ Herald
      ABC
      CNN
      MSNBC…….
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:39pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks toby. Your honesty is instructive.
        
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        February 3, 2019 9:02am
- Nermal
  
  Did you read the whole story? Grossly obese couple booked window and aisle seats so both could overflow into middle seat. Then video’d woman complaining about it
  
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  February 2, 2019 1:22pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  The women in the case you highlight seems to be a bit mentally deranged so her loud obnoxious behaviour does not really surprise me.
  However I do have a lot of sympathy for her complaint about these fat slobs as I personally have had the misfortune of being seated next to large smelly blobs on planes and it is a very unpleasant experience.
  Whales should be made to purchase a second seat if they cannot fit in their own one or upgrade to business where the seats are bigger as stealing half of someone else’s is bullshit.
  If they can’t afford the above options then walk as the exercise might do them good.
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:02pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  The word “rant” really seems to have lost its meaning these days. For the record, its meaning doesn’t extend to “someone saying something rude about someone else.”
  
  The heartening thing here is that the rest of the passengers are clearly appalled by her.
  
  That does seem to be a thing now. The US is so full of lardarses that it’s now considered rude to point out how difficult it is to spend hours on a plane squashed between two people whose grotesque fat rolls extend into your space.
  
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  February 2, 2019 4:33pm
  - Morrissey
    
    She didn’t just say something nasty and leave it at that. She sustained the abuse for several minutes. It was a rant, and a particularly stupid and nasty rant.
    
    Having said that, one must admit that her rant was neither as nasty nor as lengthy as this infamous rant….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNdk7Hsj_R0
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:42pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Just to reiterate – saying something Morrissey doesn’t like isn’t a “rant.” And that video shows her having a whinge to a friend on her phone for the first minute or so, then shutting up until the morbidly obese woman videoing her asked the cabin crew to move her and called her a bitch. If she then had a few choice phrases for the passengers who told her she a moral obligation to spend the flight being compressed between other people’s fat rolls, that’s hardly surprising.
      
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      February 2, 2019 10:06pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ha! Milt the contrarian über alles. You got a few upvotes for writing that nonsense, even though you know it’s crap.
        
        Worth it, though?
        
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        February 3, 2019 9:05am
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
This fellow seemed to be having a period every fucking morning of the year. Poor old git.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000083912024/0b43865303a91a11238612a663fc21fb_400x400.png
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February 2, 2019 12:56pm
- Jack5
  
  Is there a back story to you and Leighton Smith, Morrissey?
  
  Did you fuck up a transcription of a broadcast of his? ?
  
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  February 2, 2019 1:15pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Poor old morrie can’t work out why his foray into the public eye is such an abject failure and Smith has been a roaring success. Readers should draw their own conclusions about who the sad old git is.
    
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    February 2, 2019 1:43pm
    - Morrissey
      
      They certainly can, vince.
      
      https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/01/how-this-writer-ie-moi-goaded-leighton.html
      
      https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/01/how-this-writer-ie-moi-goaded-leighton.html
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:32pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Is there a back story to you and Leighton Smith, Morrissey?
    
    Yeah, I have occasionally rather goaded the poor fellow a few times. He nearly had an apoplectic fit on air a couple of times.
    
    Did you fuck up a transcription of a broadcast of his?
    
    No. What angered him was having his own words transcribed and sent to him by email. He was not amused.
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/my-correspondence-with-genius-oct-3-2003.html
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:37pm
Southern Raider

Last week I heard a women from Family Planning talking about accidental babies and contraception options

She said the long term contraception options that last many years are the best option for many girls and women but unaffordable at $300 each.

This just seems crazy. We spend billions on benefits, prisons and other long term social costs of solo parents and kids people can’t afford but the Govt won’t fund $300

Surely this is an absolute no brainer investment?
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February 2, 2019 1:06pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  But how many are genuine accidents? Baby farmers don’t get paid unless they have babies. They need to get knocked up a few times to extort an income out of the state and then also want the state pay for their recreational shagging? Seems every time they root we have to pay. Bad fucking economics.
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:24pm
- GoVege
  
  $300 sounds like a bargain to me.
  But that’s not the problem.
  It’s the screams of “genocide!!”
  From the section of society with the worst stats for child abuse and who were annihilating thousands of innocent people less than 200 years ago.
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:57pm
Southern Raider

I see Jack “man boy lesbian” Tame is now promoting that if you eat meat you are fucking the planet for your children

Well to help out I had steak for lunch yesterday and a mince pie today
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February 2, 2019 2:07pm
- Longknives
  
  I’m firing the BBQ myself today!
  Will be total Meat Porn- Steaks, Ribs, Chops….
  Enjoy your Lentils and Mungbeans Lefties!
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:09pm
  - Biscuit
    
    What time should I arrive, Longknives?
    
    I can bring (pick any two from) Red Wine, Beer, Red Wine, Red Wine, Beer, Beer.
    
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    February 2, 2019 2:36pm
    - Longknives
      
      Beer and Beer should do us mate!
      (Unless you know any Scandinavian Blondes who have nothing to do this afternoon?)
      
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      February 2, 2019 2:38pm
      - Biscuit
        
        In Uni days, Longknives, I could have obliged!
        
        I shared a flat with a mate on Talavera Terrace, right by the Uni’s Cable Car stop, that was ideal for bringing a blonde (I never demanded the ‘Scandinavian’ bit!) back for a quick lunchtime bite, a just-as-quick (CENSORED!) and a quick shower (eating food can make you QUITE in need of a shower)…
        
        Having a Super Bowl party here from Monday lunchtime Monday, Longknives. I have gone and bought a couple of dozen Buds to set the tone even though I swear I have peed better quality stuff! Once those are done, it’ll be Heineken all the way.
        And my world-famous Guacamole-free Guacamole Dip will feature. Je detests food that you ain’t sure, looking at it, whether or not your digestive system has ‘dealt’ with it or not..
        
        Best wishes for a great meal, my man. I quite like the cooler air about today…
        
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        February 2, 2019 3:27pm
      - Longknives
        
        Aaah the good old University Days!
        I was an Otago lad myself (No posh Cable Cars or anything like that for us…)
        But my word we had some good times in the sun in the mighty Gardies and Cook Garden Bars….
        
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        February 2, 2019 4:03pm
      - Manolo
        
        A fine taste in birds, I can see. 😀
        
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        February 3, 2019 6:17am
  - GoVege
    
    Just remember: you’re not just causing other animals to die…but humans too.
    (Poor ones admittedly…but still humans.)
    
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    February 2, 2019 2:40pm
    - Longknives
      
      I’ll keep that in mind as I tear into a juicy,delicious plate of Ribs GoVege!
      
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      February 2, 2019 2:49pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Citation required sans hysteria, I`m gonna need proof the Steer I raised and is now residing in my deep freeze, killed anything other than the grass that I grew to feed it on.
      
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      February 2, 2019 4:15pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Sorry Vege, how is eating meat causing humans to die?
      Signed, confused! ?
      
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      February 2, 2019 4:49pm
  - RF
    
    I’ve just cooked loin chops on BBQ.
    
    Beautiful with mint sauce and Veges.
    
    Washed down with cheeky Shiraz.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:16pm
- kowtow
  
  Jack Twat would eat no fat
  His wife would eat no lean
  So betwixt them both
  They’d lick the planet clean.
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:34pm
  - toby1845
    
    “Jack Twat could eat no fat
    His ‘wife’ could no lean
    So betwixt them both
    They’d lick.”
    
    Fixed it for ya.
    
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    February 2, 2019 8:44pm
- Biscuit
  
  Stick to reading the autocue, Jack.
  
  Your actual opinions are of no value to me…
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:37pm
- lifesgood
  
  I bought some lovely steak this morning for my barbecue this evening. My mouth’s watering already.
  
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  February 2, 2019 2:41pm
  - GoVege
    
    Tonight may you dream of beautiful moocows with big soft eyes beseeching you “please don’t eat me, Mr Longknives”…and “that was my mummy you ate today”. 🙂 🙂
    
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    February 2, 2019 3:01pm
    - nasska
      
      I love how people say, “Oh, I don’t eat meat…..I’m a vegan”…….
      
      …….instead of just admitting that they have an eating disorder.
      
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      February 2, 2019 3:39pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      ↑Living proof, vegetables fuck ur brain↑
      
      Your childish anthropomorphism is quite pathetic.
      
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      February 2, 2019 4:03pm
    - Komata
      
      GoVege@1501
      
      You’ve never heard of the ‘Restaurant at the end of the Universe’ then?
      
      And to echo Waikatogirl’s question @1649, how will eating meat ‘Cause other humans to die’?
      
      It’s an intriguing proposition, so please enlighten us.
      
      Thank you.
      
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      February 2, 2019 7:33pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I have a nice wagu roast in the fridge that will be tenderly roasted in the webber and eaten tonight with a nice mouton cadet.
  Chew on that mr Tame.
  
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  February 2, 2019 3:07pm
  - Swifty
    
    Lovely.
    
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    February 2, 2019 3:19pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Sounds good, Alex.
    
    I tried the Wagyu in Japan once.
    
    Wasn’t sure how I’d find it – I like very lean stuff here – but it truly did fall apart to a knife…
    
    As pricy as, mind! What does it hit you by here?
    
    Still, they say you only live once…
    
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    February 2, 2019 3:32pm
  - Colville
    
    Alex
    
    buy a sous vide.
    
    cook it 10 hours at 55 C to rare then hot finish it before resting.
    
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    February 2, 2019 5:30pm
- JibberJabber
  
  So, are blow jobs now off the table for Jack? Given he does`t eat meat anymore.
  
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  February 2, 2019 4:18pm
  - stigie
    
    No, he’ll find a nice boy that does eat meat !~
    
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    February 2, 2019 4:25pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    If meat comes out the end of your cock at any time, see a doctor – urgently.
    
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    February 2, 2019 4:34pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/110334650/singaporean-artillery-on-wellington-waterfront-after-annual-exercise-at-waiouru
Oh thank goodness for that Stuff! Here was we disenfranchised voters thinking that Winston/Mark had done a complete takeover of our political system to complete the partial one wot they did with the Toothfairy recently! 🙂
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February 2, 2019 4:01pm
- Johnboy
  
  Afternoon minus1. 🙂 What a jolly fine day it must be to have you out of bed and active at only 4:08! 🙂
  
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  February 2, 2019 4:08pm
JibberJabber

Oh my, Stuff have not only closed the comments on Watkins,
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/110316253/after-davos-a-reality-check-for-jacinda-ardern

They`ve deleted the entire thread, wow, censorship Georgy Malenkov and Joseph Goebbels would be proud to call their own.
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February 2, 2019 4:09pm
- starboard
  
  I did note there were over 1000 comments, most of them were sticking it right up Cindy, Peters and the rest of the rabble.
  
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  February 2, 2019 4:19pm
  - Johnboy
    
    ‘Stuff’ ….Sort of like a cheap, low rent version of the Wasington Post. 🙂
    
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    February 2, 2019 4:23pm
- Longknives
  
  Get with then programme Comrades!
  We mustn’t speak any ill of Dear Leader- It might make little ‘Baybeee’ Neve cry…
  
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  February 2, 2019 4:29pm
  - Johnboy
    
    What’s the bet Toothy takes the sprog to “apology day” on the sixth? 🙂
    
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    February 2, 2019 4:31pm
    - stigie
      
      They will be gushing over the baby with a Maori middle name Te Aroha.
      How fitting to garner extra votes so the SLAG will be thinking..?
      
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      February 2, 2019 4:38pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Nonsense stigie my middle name is Tutaekuri and those fuckin blackarse folk just fall over and larf at me! 🙂
        If my parents were still alive I would ask them about it. 🙂
        
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        February 2, 2019 4:42pm
      - stigie
        
        Looks like Dutch to me JB, is that why Nasska keeps going on about how mean you are ole chap..?
        
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        February 2, 2019 4:47pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Stigie, if I have it right JB’s middle name is
        
        Tutae = shit
        Kuri = dog
        
        Guess his parents didn’t know the maori for sheep?!
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        February 2, 2019 5:00pm
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      The sprog and the trusty cheque book Johnboy!
      
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      February 2, 2019 6:24pm
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  Typical. Stuff is stuffed.
  
  Orders from the Kremlin ?
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:21pm
starboard

I managed to copy a few good comments before stuffed took it down..COL wont last the year.

Not just “Kiwi Build” but “New Zealand Build” (ie the state of her own house in the NZ country) is a shambles and she’s making things worse (except for the oil field ban) – swanning off to Europe isnt going to fix things at home.

And going worse on the Laffer curve with a CGT is just further downhill.
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New Tattoo
The tide has turned on this fool government – 18 months to go, then they’re out.
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Dan M
Potential KiwiBuild applicants weren’t surveyed because in true chardonnay socialist style, Labour thought they already knew what the people wanted without having to ask. We know what’s best for you, now just sit down, be quiet, and don’t anyone dare question us.
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Good one jacinda
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CaptainHindsight
About time the Governer General disbanded the colilition of losers.
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Roger111
the PM had her moment of glory at the UN and to a small part in Davos but now is the time to get things done at home. The honeymoon is definitey over , the excuses are running out. We want to see action on MANY fronts. Or come next election Jacinta will have a lot of time on her hands to travel and hob nob
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Word of advice Winston – admit you got it wrong, withdraw support from this train wreck Labour party disaster, and your party just might survive past the next election. Because based on how quickly things are going downhill after only just over a year, you will be gone for sure in 2020. If I was an NZ First MP, I would be incredibly worried about my future gravy train ride.

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“Jacinder the Tax Fairy” will Tax her hard working people whilst they sleep and distribute it to Winz and coach potatoes.

Any business that employs people or any Retiree who slaved hard for a rental for retirement will be Taxed brutally.
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Exponential
Really? The ‘Davos darling’? Is that what we want our PM to be known as? No wonder no one takes us seriously.
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Save our souls
Jacinda’s speech to her party at the retreat was just so hilarious. It was like she was speaking to hearing and sight impaired people. It sounded like a speech at a school assembly. Too funny I could not stop laughing lol.
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Save our souls
Please help correct Jacinda and Winston’s mistake by supporting the rallies in the main cities today at 4pm. Unite to tell the govt we did not agree with signing the UN migrant compact!
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iamhendo
I think the trip was all stardust to be frank. As I understand the agreements signed did not have firm commitments to export numbers etc. If all the agreements were just MoUs then they are not worth much.

The most interesting takeaway from this article is the way it highlights the pains the PM must be feeling having left the billionaire meet and greet that is Davos.

Your jet or mine?
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When the PM and her Housing Minister talked about recalibrating Kiwibuild it was it was obvious that it had not been calibrated in the first place. It is impossible to recalibrate something that has never been calibrated. They obviously don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
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Jacinda is already eyeing up her next job for the UN or some other international role. She sees her current position as PM merely as a stepping stone to bigger things and has no real drive to do good things for New Zealand
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- Johnboy
  
  Helen was her mentor after all old chap! 🙂
  
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  February 2, 2019 4:35pm
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  Folks get a bit pissed off when their comments disappear…
  we might start seeing folks migrating from Stuff when they discover they can leave their gems on KB.
  
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  February 2, 2019 6:33pm
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Anyone seen in Stuff, the Herald or elsewhere locally an obituary for a brave NZ sailor – Commander Bill Smith, who died recently aged 96? There’s an obituary for him behind the paywall at the Telegraph.

Gore-born Smith, known in the Royal Navy as Kiwi Smith, was at the controls in a midget submarine that laid explosives under a Japanese cruiser in Singapore then was trapped by the tide under the cruiser’s hull as the countdown to the blast began. Fortunately Smith was able to edge the little sub out from under the Japanese ship before the explosion.

When the midget sub got back to the host British submarine outside the harbour, the crew of four had been on duty, mostly awake on benzedrine, for about 52 hours.

Smith and the other officer in the midget submarine agreed to return to Singapore Harbour for an attack on a second Japanese cruiser, but the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended this plan.

Two the midget sub’s crew were awarded Victoria Crosses – the pair who went out through hatches to place the explosive. Of the other two, Smith was awarded a DSO and the sailor who had been at the motors was awarded a Conspicuous Gallantry Medal.

In 1946, Smith was back in New Zealand and was an officer on the cruiser HMNZS Bellona when 100 of the crew mutinied in Sydney after a new pay scale was announced.

Later Smith helped set up Scott Base in Antarctica, and then became the RNZN’s hydrographer.
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- mikenmildagain
  
  Ah, the dear old Navy pay mutiny. Some of them were still bleating 50 years later about how badly they had been treated.
  
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  February 2, 2019 5:37pm
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  When men were men, and worked 52 hours to get the job done. Thank goodness for them and their bravery!
  Doubt they would be able to do that today with all the health and safety laws.
  
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  February 2, 2019 5:38pm
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    But the 53rd hour was always smoke, surely?
    
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    February 2, 2019 5:48pm
    - Longknives
      
      I take it, that like many on the Left, you are not a fan of WW2 vets Mikey?
      Let me guess? ‘Privileged Old White Men’??
      
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      February 2, 2019 6:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Perhaps you should learn a little about life before you pose such naive questions.
        It might astonish you to find that not all of those who served, or were forced to serve, in the war were paragons of virtue.
        
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        February 2, 2019 6:24pm
      - nasska
        
        There weren’t many who would have qualified as “paragons of virtue” but all who served are entitled to the respect that fighting for your country merits. In any case, from what little I’ve read, the mutinies resulted from a tight arsed government refusing reasonable pay for naval personal knowing full well that they had signed up for long terms they were not allowed to break.
        
        Slavery involved similar conditions.
        
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        February 2, 2019 6:38pm
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        Hah!
        Most veterans are entitled to respect for their service.
        The naval pay ‘mutineers’ are not entitled to be considered as victims, however. They were let off very lightly.
        
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        February 2, 2019 6:47pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”They were let off very lightly”…..
        
        If it had occurred during wartime then I’d go along with that. Yet most were sentenced to 60 days in a military prison commuted to 14 days, then demoted, stripped of pay & refused Government employ afterwards.
        
        Tough times comrade!
        
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        February 2, 2019 7:01pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I don’t think any of them were imprisoned at all. They were discharged as ‘services no longer required’ and toddled off the the higher paying civilians jobs they wanted.
        Fifty years later some of them wanted an apology and ‘compensation’.
        
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        February 2, 2019 7:10pm
    - toby1845
      
      The mutiny was hardly surprising, especially when those involved were fully aware that trade unionists were being paid double and triple pay for helping load munitions onto ships.
      
      One of those trade unionists went on to become PM, and had his term (and life) cut short by the stress caused by an extramarital affair with a member of his staff.
      
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      February 2, 2019 9:09pm
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Save our souls
Jacinda’s speech to her party at the retreat was just so hilarious. It was like she was speaking to hearing and sight impaired people. It sounded like a speech at a school assembly. Too funny I could not stop laughing lol.
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Yes, I saw a video of that. She looked like a primary school teacher. An evil women out of her depth, but sadly in a powerful position and about to screw us all, and put NZ back 20 years.
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February 2, 2019 6:30pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  She looked like a primary school teacher. An evil women [sic] out of her depth…
  
  Jeez, wot did u primary school teacher do 2 u, bro?
  
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  February 2, 2019 6:43pm
  - nasska
    
    You must admit that should you put aside your rose tinted glasses & mute your hosannas when drooling over your collection of your heroine’s toe nail cuttings you would notice how she radiates evil.
    
    In fact IMHO she bears a striking likeness to the Walt Disney 101 Dalmatians character, Cruella de Vil. 🙂
    
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    February 2, 2019 6:54pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      That’s the full Jacinda Derangement Syndrome on display.
      
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      February 2, 2019 6:59pm
      - nasska
        
        Fortunately the symptoms are incredibly mild compared with John Key Derangement Syndrome which afflicted the bludgers of the Left for “nine long years”. 🙂
        
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        February 2, 2019 7:04pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      You must admit that should you put aside your rose tinted glasses & mute your hosannas when drooling over your collection of your heroine’s toe nail cuttings you would notice how she radiates evil.
      
      You left out the bits where I’d also have to put aside rationalism and mute my sanity to be able to achieve that level of derangement.
      
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      February 2, 2019 8:10pm
DigNap15

For usch as left wing paper with many left wing campiagns under way.
Platic Bags
Plastic Straws
Maori language
Climate Change
Maori being downtrodden.

They get far more right wing ticks than left wing.
That is why they close comments and reject many.
It must really piss them off.
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February 2, 2019 6:33pm
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It really is time that the mainstream media were all closed, shut down, banned.
They just will nto stop pushing their left wing, sjw, anti trump Argenda.
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February 2, 2019 6:36pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  It really is time that the mainstream media were all closed, shut down, banned.
  
  To restore freedom and liberty!
  
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  February 2, 2019 6:44pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    To save the village, we had to destroy the village.
    
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    February 2, 2019 6:48pm
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      I beginning to think BigNappy is a troll account designed to make the right wing look bad.
      
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      February 2, 2019 6:57pm
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        I’m from the goverment and I’m here to help!
        
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        February 2, 2019 7:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Don’t worry, sooty. If it’s an emergency, phone 111 and the government will be there to help.
        
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        February 2, 2019 7:24pm
nasska

Mike

You’ll recall how you used to give our recently departed co-respondent “Flipper” a hard time about his observations concerning Muldoon.

After DPF’s post concerning his demise I kept a watchful eye on the death notices in the local paper. It transpires that he was a journalist in the parliamentary press gallery during the Muldoon era.

Although a little disjointed & certainly a flawed character his recall of events may have had a true & historic base.

No names as per our host’s policies but a little research will point you in the right direction.
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February 2, 2019 7:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes, a nasty piece of work.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:18pm
  - Viking2
    
    Imagine what we will say about you.
    So wrong in so many ways.
    
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    February 2, 2019 9:32pm
- sam green
  
  Swam the English Channel too. 1965 I recall. Oh the company we keep.
  
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  February 2, 2019 8:49pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  There are websites (eg legacy.com) set up to provide a forum for online tributes. Did you come across Mikenmild’s tribute in your research? 🙂
  
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  February 2, 2019 10:08pm
Nostradamus

There’s been some discussion on Kiwiblog recently about China.

Detained Australian citizen and writer Yang Hengjun’s lawyers blocked from meeting him ‘at his request’

Two lawyers appointed by the wife of an Australian citizen detained in China have been denied access to him, with Chinese authorities claiming it is at the detainee’s request. Yang Hengjun, 53, is being held in an undisclosed location in Beijing under investigation for ‘endangering state security’, on charges that may involve espionage. … Yang Hengjun, whose legal name is Yang Jun, is a former Chinese Foreign Ministry employee who later migrated to Australia and became a prominent online writer.

That’s an interesting twist – a former Chinese foreign ministry employee.

There seems to be a recent trend where China detains people (to use a neutral description). Last year an Australian mining company executive was released from a Chinese jail:

Mr Hu was Rio Tinto’s top iron ore negotiator in China during the mining boom, and was instrumental in locking in record prices for shipments to Chinese state steel mills. But he was arrested in mid 2009, along with three other China-based staff, and convicted in a closed, three-day trial the following year.

The company concerned, Rio Tinto, fired him (he wasn’t available to work from a prison cell), but an internal investigation supposedly didn’t find anything untoward.

And, also recently, a Chinese court sentenced a Canadian man to death amid a diplomatic dispute with Canada.

There seems to be a developing trend of a murky interplay between international politics, diplomatic disputes and people being locked up in China. I’d be very cautious if I were ever to find myself working for a significant company that dabbles in China and required me to travel there for business.
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  Yes, former New Zealand PMs, cabinet ministers and senior officials should be careful about where they seek their retirement sinecures.
  
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  February 2, 2019 11:00pm
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    That would also be true for notable partisan activists and useful idiots.
    
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