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Pete George

More claims of incapacitating health and victimhood from vexatious litigants on Whale Oil again yesterday, which not only misrepresents reality. And they think the media publicity was somehow a good thing.

Nige (blog manager): Just goes to show the influence this site has eh.

But Whale Oil is not telling it’s readers about the truth of three defamation cases that Cameron Slater is involved in. As a result there are comments like:

No other journalist in NZ has so many honest people behind him.

Karma will get them in the end, and the continued growth of WOBH will ensure increasing numbers of people get to hear what’s really going on.

You might have been temporary lost in some of the battles, but you will win the war.

Some people are so vindictive they just can’t let go.

I was wondering how many court cases were still pending and how that was going to be handled. I know you would rather fight on and take it to them, but I’m certain that you are getting the right advice, health comes first.

You’ve been brutally fearless and a force of nature on the political landscape.
Stay fearless and apply those traits in your recovery.

It’s too bad that those responsible for this, the vexatious litigants, will never face the costs they should do.

As for the litigants not giving extra time, have they not dragged this on for years already?

The courts have different views.

[139] It is therefore apparent that the defendants took no heed whatsoever of the description provided by Lang J in his judgment of 18 May 2018 as to the pleading requirements for the defences of truth and honest opinion.

[140] By adopting this approach, the defendants have entirely failed to plead any facts and circumstances relied on to support their defences of truth and honest opinion.

[148] Although the effect of my rulings and judgments may appear harsh, this outcome underlines the importance of proper pleading and of compliance with procedural rules and timetable orders. In this case the defendants’ failure to comply with those requirements have resulted in them placing themselves in the situation in which they now find themselves.

More on facts of the cases that have dragged Slater down: What Whale Oil isn’t telling their readers
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February 27, 2019 8:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  WO; an echo chamber for sycophants
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:23am
  - Universal Smith
    
    “WO; an echo chamber for sycophants”
    
    KB would be too if our host listened to all the National fanboys screaming for people to be banned.
    
    You only have to look at the the Standard and Whale Oil to see where that leads.
    
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    February 27, 2019 12:28pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Why come here to run them down? Say it there not here.
  If you can’t put the knife in the belly, don’t put it in the back.
  I have no time for WO, but you’ve bitched about KB at Pete George’s blog and now WO here, it just seems a tad sad.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:38am
  - Pete George
    
    “Say it there”
    
    Are you joking?
    
    There appears to have been a blanket ban on any facts of these cases at WO for those allowed to comment there. The many who have been banned don’t have a chance of saying anything there.
    
    I posted this here because some readers of WO are also likely to follow things here, and I think they should have facts available as to the true nature of the three legal and financial holes Slater has dug himself into, and keeps digging deeper.
    
    He is a victim of his own publications, tactics and legal incompetence.
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:48am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      You posted here for your ego. Be honest.
      
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      February 27, 2019 8:55am
      - sooty
        
        What, Pete George don’t get many visits to his own blog!
        Like moron and hughie?
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:04am
      - ztev
        
        So Sooty, Slaters lies are OK then
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:56am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      I was banned from WO for a difference of opinion. They are as much of an echo chamber on the right as the is on the left.
      
      Which is a shame. If they had been more open to dissent, they could have gone on to greater things.
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:18am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I got comments pulled from WO for no reason at all. Gave up very soon. Boring echo chamber.
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:53am
      - Universal Smith
        
        I got banned for referencing something he had written a story about and published on the blog. The guy has zero credibility and his blog is dead boring.
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:31pm
    - Debbie
      
      I really struggle to understand why some would have sympathy for Cameron Slater just because he *sometimes* posts right-leaning views.
      
      Everything about him is disgusting. He has no sense of personal self-responsibility, he has leeched off the taxpayer for so long, he publishes absolute lies so long as someone will pay him, destroys people’s lives for fun, then when held account cries victim.
      
      Even if the stroke is genuine, it probably has more to do with being a fat lardass who sits on a computer all day, every day, than the so-called “stress” of court cases – which could have easily been avoided by simply acting like a decent human being. (After all, noone has ever tried to sue David Farrar for defamation, even if they disagreed with his political leanings.)
      
      If the stroke is real, it was a direct consequence of his unhealthy lifestyle choices. But it shouldn’t excuse him from the consequences of his shitty behaviour to other human beings, and whilst I might be tempted to laugh at his bankruptcy application, I have more sympathy for Matt Blomfield et al who may not ever receive any compensation for his defamation. Slater really is a piece of shit.
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:27am
- peterwn
  
  Seems bankrupcy was inevitable and he was wise to be bankrupt now rather than someone like Matthew petition it later, although some creditor may have been about to pull the pin.
  In that sense health would not come into it, but in this instance citing health reasons (genuine or otherwise) would be an attempt to deflect from the stigma of bankrupcy.
  The OA would now work to wrap the various court actions as expeditiously as possible and presumably there would be a hefty six figure sum owing at the end of it.
  Thanks Pete for your commentary.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:59am
  - ztev
    
    Bankruptcy now was done deliberately to frustrate the court over (i)not providing full medical details -Blomfield case
    (ii) and the other Sellman case where his bullshit during the discovery process meant the judge required Slater ( and his henchman Graham) to face discovery in front of his honour.
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:00am
    - peterwn
      
      Bankruptcy cannot be delayed or deferred merely because court proceedings remain pending. So Cam could file bankruptcy regardless of medical conditions. I would guess that he is seriously insolvent otherwise the OA could pay off his debts and discharge him as a bankrupt. This has the unfortunate consequence of denying his litigants their full day in court, but if he is badly insolvent perhaps the litigants should cut their financial and non financial losses and get on with life.
      Not sure how Matthew Bloomfield is feeling, but I suspect he would regard the bankruptcy as a total vindication of his reputation – especially as the recent interim judgment that Cam’s defence was hollow and rubbish. He would have been aware that he would have been unlikely to actually receive more than a small portion df any damages and costs awarded.
      
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      February 27, 2019 12:54pm
- Dave Mann
  
  I think that, by and large, you could say that, all things considered, Cameron isn’t really having a whale of a time at the moment.
  
  Yes, he seems to have brought all this legal shit on himself… but FFS stop drooling over it. There’s no obligation for him to lay it all out on WOBH either. He’s not on trial on his own blog.
  
  There’s something about having a stroke which might tend to make all this other stuff kinda not so important, if you get my drift.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:00am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Can’t have been that bad, he kept writing comments on Twitter l from time to time during that event.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:11am
  - Random T Person
    
    Yeh, sorry, but the whole stroke thing is both suspicious and also conveniently timed, especially given that Slater has popped in and out of Discus comments as well. He created his own mess. He is the consummate hypocrite, too, especially where Blomfeld is concerned, having stolen Blomfeld’s information to write scurrilous things about MB for payola, then complaining when suffering a similar fate at the hands of the equally appalling Nicky Hager, who shares many characteristics with WO, including the physical repugnance which Slater made so much mirth out of, apparently all the while avoiding any mirrors.
    I battle to feel sorry for Slater. He engineered his own doom; even if he has suffered strokes, these were apparently brought on by his court cases. More likely brought on by losing them, just like his depression was apparently once brought on by being a loser. Newsflash. When I’m losing, I also get depressed and then it motivates me to do better, I’m not sure this is such an unusual circumstance.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:22am
  - peterwn
    
    I am reminded of his ‘rules of engagement’ (which seem to have disappeared). One was about wrestling with a pig – you get muddy and the pig enjoys it. I sort of see Matthew Bloomfield and Simon Bridges in the role of the pig although I doubt they were enjoying it.
    
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    February 27, 2019 12:57pm
- Chris R
  
  I have misgivings about the WO blog too, but in broad terms his sentiments rest on the same side of the ledger as the majority of contributors here. Why not divert your palpable dislike for WO to the Standard or one of those hideous lefty blogs? I haven’t been near the Standard for many years but the visit I made left me with many questions about humanity in much the same way as I find your vitriol towards WO. Lighten up and leave the savagery for the left losers. Please!
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:30am
  - Pete George
    
    “in broad terms his sentiments rest on the same side of the ledger as the majority of contributors here”
    
    Like dumping shit over the years on Key, English, Bridges, Bennett, Joyce et al?
    
    Like promoting Winston Peters through the last election campaign?
    
    Like promoting the New Conservatives?
    
    Like dumping shit on people standing for National in electorates in favour of candidates paying him?
    
    Slater’s side of the ledger has always been dirty and self interested.
    
    He has dumped shit on many over the years, including business and professional people and academics.
    
    There was a post at WO yesterday – Cry Baby of the Week. Of course it wasn’t about him, but it drips with irony.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:36am
    - Chris R
      
      My question remains unanswered.
      
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      February 27, 2019 10:12am
      - Pete George
        
        “Why not divert your palpable dislike for WO to the Standard or one of those hideous lefty blogs?”
        
        I posted the same at The Standard.
        
        I don’t have a palpable dislike for WO. They’re actually managing to run things without Slater fairly well, good on them for that. The sanitised comments mean you can’t take much of that seriously, but some people are putting a lot of work into keeping the posts going.
        
        But they are also being quite deceitful with what is really going on in the courts with Slater.
        
        So I’m making facts available to those who follow WO and also follow KB, there’s probably quite an overlap. That this attracts some attempts to play interference is to be expected.
        
        “Lighten up and leave the savagery for the left losers.”
        
        That’s very funny here at KB, you’ve lightened things up yourself.
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:44am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        “I posted the same at the standard”
        
        Wanker.
        
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        February 27, 2019 2:03pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I don’t have a palpable dislike for WO.
        
        Pass me a bottle of Tui please Pete. Just admit that you are reveling in Slater/WO’s demise. Be honest about it; no one would think badly of you given you got caught up on the fringes of his legal issues.
        
        But please, stop pretending to be an objective, neutral observer here.
        
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        February 27, 2019 5:20pm
      - Pete George
        
        KS – no, you’re quite wrong.
        
        I haven’t tried to present here as an objective, neutral observer here. I’m not. I’ve been quite open about the fact that Slater has at least twice assisted in legal attempts to go as far as imprison me, and to inflict major financial damage on me, with hopeless charges and attempts at entrapment. So I’m not impartial at all and have never claimed to be.
        
        Here I’ve presented court documents which just scratch the surface on how poorly Slater has done in various defamation cases. And he (or Whale Oil) have kept the facts from Whale Oil readers and made ridiculous claims of being the victim.
        
        Slater and others associated with him have inflicted serious attacks, vexatious, vicious, nasty, you name it, on probably hundreds of people.
        
        I’ll keep putting out facts, and there’s more to come.
        
        Given the damage Slater et al have caused the National Party alone I’m surprised that you’re taken to attacking me here, in apparent defence of Slater.
        
        Do you think that paid for hit campaigns on Whale Oil aimed at ruining careers (business and political) are acceptable?
        
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        February 27, 2019 7:10pm
  - Random T Person
    
    What an asinine comment to make. You can choose who you find odious, friend, and you can extend to me the same privilege, thanks.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:40am
- KevOB
  
  A good backgrounder. I didn’t know this saga had been going on for six years. Being self-proclaimed righteous is hazardous without backup. Whale seems to have a personality disorder (or multiple ones). I hope he gets well; being cut down in midlife is devastating.
  
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  February 27, 2019 12:24pm
  - Random T Person
    
    Yes, devastating. And also convenient. Matt Blomfeld for one isn’t buying it.
    Also, now maybe Slater’s not going to be crowing about how he’s still standing while Bill English is gone. BE is still around, of course, as a former Prime Minister of New Zealand, and as of this point, the last one who commanded wide respect.
    
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    February 27, 2019 12:46pm
Colinxy

Trevor Mallard as Speaker of the House approached the Prime Minister about the poor state of the fences around parliament stating they needed some maintenance work.

Jacinda Ardern puzzled about this. Two days later after intense thought, she realised she could use her true and tried method of working groups to solve her problem. To be balanced, she organised three working groups to find out how much it would cost to repair the fences.

After a year of work, the working groups came back with their solutions.

The first working group came back with a quote of $500.

The second working group came back with a quote of $600.

The third working group, led by Sir Michael Cullen, came back with a quote of $5000.

Ardern questioned why the third group was so much more expensive than the others. Cullen replied that they’d hire the first recommendation, procure a $3000 lawnmower for her and a $2500 genuine imitation painting from Helen Clark for himself.

Thus the third working group’s work recommendation was taken and we now know how the COL operates.
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February 27, 2019 8:01am
- holysheet
  
  You lost all credibility when you said this;
  “Two days later after intense thought,”
  
  Shame on you…
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:12am
  - Colinxy
    
    I was trying to dumb it down enough so that even our resident Leftards could understand it.
    
    I originally wrote about synapses, neurons, the prefrontal cortex and other regions of the brain but realised that was too much for such people.
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:17am
    - holysheet
      
      Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons and electrons.
      They forgot to mention morons.
      
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      February 27, 2019 8:24am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.”
        
        -Frank Zappa
        
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        February 27, 2019 8:29am
      - Lance
        
        “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former”
        Albert Einstein
        
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        February 27, 2019 8:52am
      - freethinker
        
        Thats because Morons only occur in Politics and Law.
        
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        February 27, 2019 2:00pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I fail to see the connection . . .
      
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      February 27, 2019 8:25am
    - Tall Man
      
      They would have thouught you were referring to the talking head in the US…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPmkWJQ0fk0
      
      Ankle boots…hmmmmm
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:15am
      - Lizziep
        
        The footwear of the stupid little girl communist women who think they are in power now.
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:24am
duggledog

Forget the long, long list of other CoL disasters, current and still pending evil fruit (such as Sroubek LOL), this CGT nightmare means the next election is National’s to lose.

Maybe National needs to switch the Crown Prosecutor with the Big Sister / Tax Expert last minute and destroy Thick Cindy in the debates. These will be almost unwatchable, think Key V Goff (in the Christchurch Press debate) ‘show me the money’ x 10.

Meantime, Simon Bridges forget telling Waitakere Man anything more complicated than the fact a Lotto win will be taxed even if it’s not true or Robertson denies it.

For Kiwis, taxing Lotto is tantamount to taking a dump under the goal posts at Eden Park.

Final thought. I’d advise CAC (Central Auckland Cindy) to stop referencing Morrinsville as part of what informs her and her decision-making. She would literally have cow shit thrown at her if she walked down Thames Street.
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February 27, 2019 8:02am
- Poppa
  
  Cindy is a fake, essentially just a talking head sent out by the minions with a pre-set bunch of slogans to spout.
  
  The most famous part of her time in Morrinsville was that her father was a local plod
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:12am
  - holysheet
    
    And you can guess where the stuff came from when she got her first taste of lawnmowers.
    Reading between the lines of course.
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:28am
- Longknives
  
  ” I’d advise CAC (Central Auckland Cindy) to stop referencing Morrinsville as part of what informs her and her decision-making.”
  
  I did raise my eyebrows somewhat when she was babbling away about all her ‘Small Business experience’..
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:12am
  - howzit
    
    But she has wrapped fish and chips which then qualified her to be spokesperson for small business and farmers and small business are going to be top of her mind.
    
    The only good news one can take from this is that there is so much space at the top of her mind that you could fit by in large the lion share of nz farms in there.
    
    Not sure that taking stock of the salt and vinegar supply at a fush and chup shop qualifies her for much but again, it’s a great deal more business experience than the likes of Robertson and Cullen have.
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:27am
    - cas
      
      She makes such a big virtue of being at the fish and chip shop I was wondering how many years she was there. Must have been years and years to get an understanding of how small businesses operate.
      
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      February 27, 2019 8:37am
      - howzit
        
        Taught her to seek a fisherman as a spouse, I’m waiting for her next pearl of wisdom.
        
        I can hear it now, “my experience at the fish and chip shop taught me that if you wrap the fish and chips you feed a man for a day but if you shack up with a fisherman You no longer need the fish and chip shop. And it is with that insight that I will lead NZ’s out to sea where as long as I have my trusty boat I will never be over my head.”
        
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        February 27, 2019 8:54am
      - sooty
        
        Has she her own fush & chup frier at home?
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:13am
      - ztev
        
        Did Bill English really have an award for Runner up as Skellerup Young Farmer of the year , as he claimed ( online in Wayback) when he was newly elected back in the late 90s
        Just before winning national party nomination he was Hataitai branch Chair in wellington ( his job was a treasury bureaucrat
        
        https://web.archive.org/web/19980523192221/http://www.national.org.nz:80/
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:23am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      You forget the gift shop she told us about yesterday on Hosking, she worked in one as well, she was referencing her business experience at the time.
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:14am
      - ztev
        
        Not as much business experience as Jenny Shipley had !!
        I wonder how Bill English is going on the board of a big retail group which includes Bunnings. Did he work part time in a supermarket while a student… oh thats right spending time on your dads sheep farm qualifies as business experience.
        
        Helen grew up on her parents dairy farm.. does that make her a ‘farmer ‘ too ?
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:27am
    - howzit
      
      Ztev
      
      your broken pencil comments are as valid as shitting in your own pants and Justifying the smell by saying if it’s ok for my 3 month old to do it I can do it too.
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:01am
      - ztev
        
        So its Ok to look back in Arderns past work history and compare with cliams…but English never embellished his Bio …no siree.
        You have no real rebuttal answer ..as there isnt one.
        
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        February 27, 2019 11:24am
    - howzit
      
      Ztev,
      
      1. Ardern is prime minister English is not.
      2. English at least had a degree remotely relevant to his portfolio
      3. It doesn’t make it ok for the ludicrous comments Adern makes because English may or may not have been a sheep shagger.
      4. English had a competent team around him so his lack of actual acumen was supported by surrounding himself with people who had walked the walk.
      5. At least English was talking about something he had some actual experience in.
      6. Ardern is a liar!
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:34am
    - namron
      
      Surprising that she hasn’t also included an extensive
      interest and knowledge of NZ’s fishing industry too!
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:45am
  - Southern Bear
    
    But she did declare during her Mike Hosking interview the other day that she has “run a small NGO” as part of bolstering her business credibility. Anyone know what NGO she ran? Couldn’t find it on Wikipedia.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:08am
    - howzit
      
      Not sure an NGO would qualify anyway. What small business sets out to NOT make a profit. All she has shown us that as long as there is no profit involved she is qualified to comment.
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:22am
      - ztev
        
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        Same sort of NGO that DPF has been involved with, but in his case was the Opposite side of the fence
        International Democratic Union – current chair is John Key
        
        Nothing like international business expert Dame jenny Shipley who used her experience to run national into the ground and do the same with Mainzeal (although hers was a passive role while the owner looted the business via ‘loans’ for assets in China)
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:07am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Why is Southern Bear having to ask this question here? Why didn’t Hosking, or apparently anybody else in the media, immediately follow up to ask for details?
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:25am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Why? Because NewstalkNB doesn’t look into things with enough time and effort. Hosking has now taken the side of PRO-cgt if it is slammed only on rental owners. He keeps going on about ‘people who own 4 or 5 rental properties’ and clearly has no knowledge that:
        
        1. MBIE figures show that of 130,000 landlords, slightly more than 100,000 owned a single property. So: Mum and Dad landlords.
        
        2. CGT is nothing but Inflation tax on Mum and Dad long-term landlords. The Bright-line test was all we needed to curb speculators.
        
        3. Many of these people are just saving for their retirement and are already middle-aged or elderly. CGT will take a huge chunk out of their retirement savings.
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:36am
      - ztev
        
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        People who own 4-5 properties ?
        
        That would ordinary Kiwi Soimun Bridges , according to his parliamentary declaration.
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:08am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      president of international union of socialist youth
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:30am
      - kloyd0306
        
        Yep, that’s all you need to know about Socialist Cindy.
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:05am
    - holysheet
      
      Must be this one
      https://thestandard.org.nz/ardern-to-lead-iusy/
      
      I nearly spewed when I read this;
      “Jacinda is apparently known not just for her considerable intellect and political nous but also her hair”.
      
      I guess the teeth have overtaken the brain part now!
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:35am
    - howitis
      
      When you look at Grant Robertson’s ‘financial experience’ you will find early in his um, ah, career- and he skited about this a while back – he had $7 million of funds to dish out in Samoa.
      That is his financial skill. Period.
      Handing out other people’s money.
      OPM.
      But proclaiming himself as a financial mind and taking the credit.
      
      We also need to remember that he’ learnt values from his parents’ and his father was jailed for theft from his employer after stealing for ten years and using it for gambling.
      WE are his employer.
      Watch this space.
      
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      February 27, 2019 10:01am
    - kevn
      
      @Souther… I think the NGO mentioned was in the UK.
      Either way…. nothingness.
      
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      February 27, 2019 10:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The NGO was Head of IUSY
      
      Motto: All over the World to change it!
      
      In 2008, she was elected President of the International Union of Socialist Youth.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacinda_Ardern
      
      What does the President of the IUSY have to do?
      
      The global Presidium is composed of the President, the Secretary General and 19 Vice-Presidents, who meet regularly to discuss and develop policy.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Union_of_Socialist_Youth
      
      So… her running of this show seems like she had to take junket trips and yap,yap,yap.
      
      As it is funded by Labour Organisations and Socialist International groups, she didn’t have to raise money, find sponsors or do any hard yakka.
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:41am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Yup all she had to do was studiously ignore the bloody history of socialism with its 100million + body count within living memory, smile and say “comrade” a lot and affirm that true socialism hasn’t been tried yet.
        
        Hard-left beliefs are forgivable in an historically ignorant teen but not in a supposedly politically educated person in their late 20’s.
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:02pm
- Harkman
  
  The classic one is chronic beneficiaries that vote for “tax the rich” but win Lotto with taxpayer money and suddenly that money is ‘all theirs.’
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:51am
- Viking2
  
  So there is more in the CGT report than just CGT it seems.
  
  The fund has also suggested international investors pay a concessionary tax rate of 14 per cent on profits made in New Zealand on unique signature infrastructure projects (instead of the 28 per cent corporate rate).
  
  The Michael Cullen-led tax working group agrees and has recommended the Government considers the development of a carefully designed regime to encourage investment into large, nationally significant infrastructure projects that both “serve the national interest and require unique international project expertise to succeed”.
  
  This is a purely political choice.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12207581
  
  As with anything the labour Party does there is devil in the detail.
  The detail needs scrutiny and what have the Nats done? Rush to the headline or do they agree with these other items?
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:52am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I seriously doubt whether Cindy would have cow shit thrown at her if she had coffee at that café on the corner of Thames and Canada Streets; the café named after Helen Clark.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:54am
- peterwn
  
  I doubt that Judith would get the numbers unless there was back to wall desperation. The National Caucus is nowhere near this. If Judith knows she cannot get the numbers it seems she is willing to put her best efforts into the job as she did when ‘sidelined’. The Leader must have the confidence of Caucus and provide the leadership to hold the team together and achieve optimum performance. That is far more important than aiming for a high public profile which the media is denying him anyway. Being merely a show pony just does not cut it in the long term (I am not referring to Judith). National’s best chance of success is to run with Simon into the 2020 election and to this end he needs and deserves support from as many as possible.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:11am
  - septic skeptic
    
    But in 2017 we were all happy that Angry Andy was unelectable on numbers similar to Simon gets currently.
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:25am
    - peterwn
      
      Those numbers mean absolutely nothing. They are what the MSM want them to be.
      
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      February 27, 2019 3:11pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        I admit I have always been a bit surprised how well JK rated and how low some of the opposition leaders rated, way below their respective party support. Also, such a large amount of (undecided, informal, don’t know what they are) missing answers required to get up to a total of 100%.
        Sometimes I wonder if the respondents mistake the question for “who is the Prime Minister?
        But regardless, I don’t see National getting 50.1% of the effective votes cast in 2020 if the leader is still polling in single digits.
        
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        February 27, 2019 3:31pm
  - ztev
    
    The voters , as the polls show havent supported him.
    Thats what counts, as national wont be like the labour party did with Helen and wait through multiple elections.
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:33am
    - peterwn
      
      The question that is asked is – who is your preferred leader with no list of names read out. Of course Jacinda would score head and shoulders above all others with that question format.
      
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      February 27, 2019 3:13pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Maybe they refuse to report the 25% that said Donald Trump!
        
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        February 27, 2019 3:34pm
- Nermal
  
  “the next election is National’s to lose.”
  Sadly they have proved themselves very good at that
  
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  February 27, 2019 5:15pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Didn’t the farmers protest against her and Peters in Morrinsville just before the last election?
  
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  February 27, 2019 5:22pm
gorse

Stuff must be getting fed up with Adern. I note they are publishing articles now with photographs of her looking awful instead of picking nice ones.
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February 27, 2019 8:02am
- Longknives
  
  They don’t ‘pick nice ones’ mate they airbrush/photoshop the hell out of them!
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:13am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Ah, more ill-informed nonsense.
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:25am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      So, to the 3 downvoters – you’ve worked in the Stuff newsroom have you? No of course you haven’t.
      
      There is precisely zero “airbrushing” done by Stuff, the pix are sent directly from the DAM to the page (print or web) without the image being opened.
      
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      February 27, 2019 8:38am
      - Tarquin North
        
        There is a picture of Chloe Swarbrick on page 8 of yesterdays Horrid. It has clearly been altered.
        
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        February 27, 2019 8:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        So how many selfies have you collected with buck toothed betty then?
        
        It seems you are an admirer….
        
        Only a fool would not notice the difference in the photos…oh wait..looks like we have you as a starter for 10.
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:00am
      - Evadne
        
        What’s DAM? And who does the airbrushing? The original photographer (who presumably sells the photo to Stuff?)?
        
        It’s perfectly obvious someone touches up the photos somewhere along the way, unless Adern has a series of miraculously vanishing and reappearing moles.
        
        Genuine question – I have no idea of the process of how a photo gets from camera to news website. (And I have nothing against moles. Having many myself, I’m inclined to think them characterful).
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:03am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Perhaps plenty of filters are used when taking the photo.
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:15am
      - gorse
        
        I have seen pictures on Stuff that showed no moles on her neck. They had to be airbrushed out.
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:04am
      - G152
        
        You hang around morgues then dippy dave ?
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:25am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @Tarquin – The Herald isn’t Stuff, so that’s a FAIL
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:20pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @Evadne –
        
        DAM is the Digital Asset Management system.
        Stuff doesn’t pay for pictures of NZ politicians
        If it’s a supplied photo then retouching may happen but it’s not done by Stuff
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:22pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @gorse – the moles may well have been removed but not by Stuff
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:25pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @ Evadne – re how do the photos get published.
        
        OK if they’re taken by a staff photographer they will be colour corrected and cropped, retouching is an instantly dismissable offence. Now the subject may well have had a make up job, that’s the subject’s choice and responsibility. The photog then uploads the captioned image to the DAM and a page designer calls the image from the DAM – they have precisely zero capability to edit the image here.
        
        If an image is submitted, generally via email, then the supplied image will be captioned (not in Photoshop) and submitted to the DAM. Now this image may well have been ‘chopped before it was supplied, especially if it comes from a women’s mag but Stuff is not responsible for that.
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:30pm
      - Tarquin North
        
        I realise The Herald is not Stuff. The Herald is set in India and then printed here (which explains the atrocious grammar and dodgy spelling). For a bowl of rice these people could make Nanaia Mahuta look attractive. To even suggest Stuffed would operate any differently would be incredibly naive. In case you are wondering I’m very well qualified on this subject and have spent many years running companies that photoshop sows ears in to silk purses and then market them for a very good income. I don’t perceive that as a fail.
        
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        February 27, 2019 1:04pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @Tarquin – of course you are sunshine. You know SFA about newsrooms – an environment that I worked in for 35 years including the Stuff & Herald fucking newsrooms
        
        Your conflation of Stuff with the Herald and then your child-like justification of “oh well they’re all the same” discounts you from even having a grown-up opinion on this subject.
        
        Look it’s really, really fucking simple even for you to get your head round. Stuff does not retouch photos of the PM. I started a disciplinary against a page designer decided to flip a pic of the then PM because it suited the layout.
        
        BTW, I’ll back (a) my newsroom knowledge* and (b) my Photoshop knowledge in an editorial context, dating back to V1.0 btw over your opinion any day.
        
        *Newsquest, Post & Mail, Notts Evening Post, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, Independent, Independent on Sunday, Metro, Glasgow Herald, Glasgow Evening Times, The Scotsman, The Heald, The Herald on Sunday, The Sunday Star Times, Stuff
        
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        February 27, 2019 1:14pm
      - Longknives
        
        Getting a bit worked up there Davey! Bad day at the Stuff Office was it?
        Did someone not submit their review of MAFS on time? Or maybe you didn’t manage to ‘close comments’ in time on Cecile’s latest sneering Opinion Piece on the evils of White Men?..
        
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        February 27, 2019 1:34pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Long gone from Stuff mate. Semi-retired consulting only.
        
        But if you’d like to point me to a retouched image from a Stuff visual journalist then go for your life.
        
        I mean the current P8 pic of Chloe in the Herald under discussion isn’t quite the evidence you might need.
        
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        February 27, 2019 1:35pm
      - Tarquin North
        
        Thankyou for that torrent of abuse, if you believe thing don’t get photoshopped you are well past your retirement date. Maybe you should take your setting stick and shuffle off to the Standard. Your lack of etiquette would be more suited to that site.
        
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        February 27, 2019 1:50pm
      - Swifty
        
        Good to have you here WaveyDavey.
        
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        February 27, 2019 1:53pm
      - Evadne
        
        @WaveyDavey
        
        Thanks for taking the time to respond, and explain the process. I didn’t realise they were all taken by staff photographers.
        
        The weirdest example was the photo after Neve was born. I figured that was supplied (i.e. the journalists weren’t actually in the hospital). when it first appeared on one of the news sites (Herald, or Stuff? Maybe both?) Jacinda looked natural for a new mother – a little worn at the edges, but glowing. The moles were very apparent, but it all looked natural and happy. A few hours later the photos were replaced with an airbrushed version of the same photo. I thought that was weird.
        
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        February 27, 2019 5:54pm
    - Longknives
      
      Are you for real Wavey?
      Do we need to start posting all the seriously altered pics that Fairfax have used of Ardern?
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:08am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Altered maybe but not by Stuff. That will be how they’ve been supplied
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Ill informed nonsense”..
      
      You mean like ardern the liar discussing landlord requirements with jack tame…… start around 2:30 unless you get a kick out of people wanted to change their sex on their birth certificates.
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-discusses-government-s-healthy-homes-initiative-capital-gains-tax-jack-tame?variant=tb_v_1
      
      If you actually watch ardern the liar carefully, you can see that when she is starting to knowing lie, she twists her mouth and starts talking out the side of her mouth. She’s probably worried that the big bullshits won’t get past her teeth.
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:10am
      - sooty
        
        Maybe stuffed use the photoshopped photos direct from the nineth floor?
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:18am
      - mara
        
        That was hard to watch. Does this woman know anything? Depressing.
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:07am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Not sure what an i/v with a TV station has to do with Stuff but there you go
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:23pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @sooty – now that is a distinct possibility but again not ‘shopped by Stuff
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:24pm
  - Happychappy
    
    I see Jacinda did a family photo just for you LongKnives,she has no shame in doing this https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12207144
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      Wrong link or are you just a tease?
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:01am
      - Happychappy
        
        Wrong link and I could not delete, delete has not been working for days on my mobile.
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:05am
- ldypen
  
  Yep, wife was watching it on the TV yesterday, said she’s looking more and more like a deranged Helen Clark!
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:18am
  - artemisia
    
    Looking increasingly like Nicky Hager. Small gene pool?
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:23am
artemisia

Microsoft CEO has issued a statement that the company will not end the massive HoloLens contract with the US Army despite the demands of a group of staff.

The CEO said “We made a principled decision that we’re not going to withhold technology from institutions that we have elected in democracies to protect the freedoms we enjoy.”

A bunch of staff scoured the vacancy ads on the Amnesty International and Oxfam sites, checking out how the remuneration compares to Microsoft, but have now made a principled decision to get back to work.
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February 27, 2019 8:04am
duggledog

BTW the next asshole who tells you ‘yes but they have a Capital Gains Tax in so many other countries!’

1: Ask them to name one
2: Ask them to describe that country’s tax system
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February 27, 2019 8:05am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes, every countries tax system is different.
  So its NOT FAIR to use this as an argument.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:07am
  - Jack5
    
    So! Every countries [sic] tax system is different.
    
    Well I’ll be damned. Whoda thought that? ?
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:58am
- Swifty
  
  That really is one of the most ridiculous reasons for suggesting new laws, or in this case taxes – ‘oh well they’re doing it over there’.
  
  It’s right up there with ‘lets have the taxpayer fund XXXX because the cost is only a drop in the bucket compared with what we’re already spending…..’
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:14am
- redeye
  
  Yes if they reply Australia, remind them that the CGT applied only to assets acquired on or after the introduction of the law.
  No silly ‘Valuation Day’.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:55am
  - redeye
    
    And the reason valuation day is a croc;-
    They might be based on known points but at the end of the day valuations are really just a guess. 10k either way and your taxes will be affected by 3k. Not an insignificant amount, especially to someone who’s retirement nest egg is in question.
    Also opens it right up to corruption. It becomes worth paying someone a thousand to increase the value by ten. And who would know?
    There’s talk of using a computer program to do a mass calculation. Like that’ll work.
    The only true value is what someone actually pays. Up to then it’s all speculation, and having you taxes assessed on speculation is just wrong.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:30am
  - Toko
    
    And individuals get a 50% discount. And art and collectibles are taxed and lifestyle blocks are exempted up to 20,000m. So completely different to what is proposed here. It’s bloody complex once you start getting into CGT. Great for accountants and lawyers who have had bugger all tax planning work in the last ten years. The average lefty has no idea how much dead weight compliance CGT will add to the economy for a variable, unpredictable cash flow which will only bring in 2.3% of current tax take for the first five years. That’s on the TWG predicted 8b over five years. It could be less. Complete dog of a tax.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:36am
- Harkman
  
  See here’s the thing, capital doesn’t have to come here when it can go to Hong Kong, Singapore, Korea, Thailand, Ireland, Switzerland, Jersey or the Cayman Islands, or even Australia. These guys are simply living in denial.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:57am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Thank you Harkman. That’s one of the most insightful and concise things I’ve read on this blog about CGT.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Thailand taxes capital gains. Here’s a description:
    
    “Thailand does not have specific capital gains tax legislation. Instead, capital gains income is dealt with under the general provisions of the income tax law, which prescribes capital gains income as a type of assessable income that is subject to income tax.
    
    Switzerland has capital gains taxes – applied locally (by the cantons).
    
    Australia has had a capital gains tax for more than 30 years.
    
    Ireland has a capital gains tax (link below).
    
    Why are National’s thickest propagandists telling fucking lies about which countries’ have capital gains tax?
    
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/tax/capital_taxes/capital_gains_tax.html
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:48am
- Ultima
  
  I’d say fuck off to those countries if you like the CGT so much.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:24am
- Jack5
  
  Duggledog:
  
  Can’t you read? Names of other countries that have a capital gains tax have been repeated many times on Kiwiblog.
  
  It’s easier to give you the names of other developed countries that DO NOT have them: Belgium and Singapore. Australia, the US, Britain, Switzerland (where they are applied by the cantons), China, Japan, Germany (where it’s levied on real estate sales) ….
  
  And you want each of dozens of countries’ tax codes enough explained to you on a blog? What did your last internet secretary die of? Frustration at explaining stuff to you?
  
  Ultima’s thicko comment is of the level that almost makes you think of switching votes to Labour. Fuck off yourself Ultima!
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:37am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘And you want each of dozens of countries’ tax codes enough explained to you on a blog?’
    
    Good point: no because, as you imply, they are long, complex and all different.
    
    Ours is not. Brightline test is enough – don’t punish long-term rental investors with this inflation tax.
    
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    February 27, 2019 12:21pm
holysheet

Simon and Cindy are in a bar at the airport. Simon leans over, and with a smile on his face, says, “I must say it’s most unusual, but the media are really tearing you apart for that scandal.” 
Cindy: “You mean when I said I am personally made aware of EVERY suicide in the country?
Simon: “No, the other one”
Cindy: “You mean when I promised before the election to build a new Buller Hospital, only to run out of money because the Pike River mine entry has taken all the promised west coast funding?
Simon: “No, the other one”
Cindy: “You mean when I pissed off the Indians yet again over the lack of support when the terrorists attacked their army? Did you think I would send each survivors families a sympathy letter or card?
Simon: “No, the other one”
Cindy: “You mean when we raided the funds allocated to Pharmac by $200 million and gave it to the islands and the natives up north?
Simon: “No, the other one”
Cindy: “You mean when I lied when I said the previous Government did not build any affordable houses.
Simon: “No, the other one”
Cindy: “You mean when I said that my public announcements have no influence on any govt outcomes.
Simon: “No, the other one”
Cindy: “You mean when I banned oil and gas exploration, proving we really are the morons of the world – imposing a ban that is bad for both the environment and the economy.
Simon: “No, thats all about you, you moron”
Cindy: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it!“You mean when I lied about the there being NO outside pressure on us over the Huawei thingy?
Simon: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”
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February 27, 2019 8:05am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Your previous list was much longer. What happened?
  Can we have it again please?
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:23am
  - holysheet
    
    Yes soon
    Someone keeps complaining about how long it is. I decided to add to it as often as the silly little girlie provides the relevant stuff ups.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:39am
Rich Prick

What! No KiwiBuild unveiling today?? Or tomorrow, or the day after.
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February 27, 2019 8:06am
radvad

Another hate hoax
https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/25/another-hate-hoax-gay-rights-leader-accused-burning-house-killing-pets/
Hoaxing is a favourite tactic of activists as confirmed to me by a homosexual law reform activist from the 1980s although that guy was not gay himself. Poofter activists have been hoaxing since forever.
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February 27, 2019 8:06am
Woz

Why are they insisting on the total porky that NZ is the only country in the OECD without a CGT? Haven’t they heard of Google?

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/383455/capital-gains-tax-new-zealand-is-joining-the-modern-world-academic
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February 27, 2019 8:07am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  If RNZ tells a lie often enough, it become the truth.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:24am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Nope, it is still a lie, they just report it as a ‘fact’
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    If RNZ tells a lie often enough they might get the $38M PriNZess promised them.
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:37am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      Nailed it.
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:14am
      - Jack5
        
        In this case it’s not Radio NZ that’s telling a porky (see post below).
        
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        February 27, 2019 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  The “modern world” of big govt and bigger taxes to keep paying for it.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:10am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Actually we already have capital gains tax. And as for the rest of the west:
  https://www.quora.com/Which-countries-have-NO-or-low-capital-gains-taxes?share=1
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:36am
- Jack5
  
  I’m definitely not a fan of Radio NZ, but here’s what it says on the web site:
  
  If New Zealand introduces a capital gains tax, as has been recommended by the government’s Tax Working Group, it would bring us in line with most other countries.
  
  Nothing there about NZ being the only country in the OECD without a capital gains tax.
  
  Elsewhere, the report describes New Zealand as being an “outlier” by having no capital gains tax. This is quiet correct. Of the 36 countries in the OECD, the only two I know of without capital gains tax are Singapore and Belgium. In my head, that’s about 5.5 per cent of the membership. Include NZ and the countries in the OECD without a capital gains tax make up about 8.3 per cent of the organisation.
  
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  February 27, 2019 10:28am
  - ztev
    
    Kb readers dont want pesky facts getting in the way of what they want to believe
    
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    February 27, 2019 11:38am
    - All_on_Red
      
      That’s a bit rich coming from you ztev- Kiwiblogs Biggest Liar
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:44am
    - Swifty
      
      So fucking what.
      
      Large proportions of the world’s countries will jail or kill you for being gay, will lock you up for saying you don’t believe in God, have strict laws around press freedom or criminalise free speech.
      
      Does that mean we should have those laws too?
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:51am
      - Jack5
        
        But, Swifty, comparing tax policies of OECD countries is a bit different from comparing freedom of speech, freedom of religion law, and homosexual tolerance among all countries, that will include regimes including Saudi Arabia, Iran, and China.
        
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        February 27, 2019 11:54am
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, of course it is, but I’m talking about the principle.
        
        Just because other countries do something is no reason, in itself, that we should be doing it too – especially something as complex as taxation rules – and doubly especially when you just pick out one element (a CGT) out of a complex system and try to insert in isolation of the context in which it was originally conceived.
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:02pm
      - Twinkletoes
        
        We will soon, courtesy of Jacinda and the UN compact. We are only a small nation, refugees and immigrants who produce large families could overwhelm us in quite a short space of time. In the meantime, forget about ever seeing a specialist in our public health system whose priority will be dealing with things they have never come across in their lifetimes plus rampant HIV and AIDS which are endemic in the ME and African cultures we will be forced to accept.
        
        The laws of these people will be inevitable. Any one who thinks that Sharia law (moderated version) is not being practised NZ must be very naive.
        
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        February 27, 2019 1:31pm
    - srylands
      
      Based on the amount of time you spend here, you are perhaps Kiwiblog’s most voracious reader.
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:52am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    My mother’s advice comes to mind
    “Just because everyone else puts their head in the oven….should you”?
    We are not even ASKING this question.
    Questions to ask BEFORE we plunge in:
    1. What are the REAL impacts, in these countries?
    2. Would they remove CGT if they could?
    3. Given a time machine, would they do it today?
    4. What is the impact on NZ of CGT taking into account the results of other CGT’s as applied to the DIFFERENCES of our economy to theirs (Kiwi saver, Natsuper, our housing and business laws and regulations)?
    
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    February 27, 2019 12:12pm
  - Ross12
    
    Jack
    
    You still seem to refuse to accept that not CGT regimes are the same and therefore you cannot just say “everyone else has a CGT so NZ should also have one”
    
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    February 27, 2019 4:07pm
holysheet

Shamima Begum has complained that she is “struggling to get supplies” at the Syrian refugee camp that has been her home since she abandoned Isis.
“It’s not on,” she grumbled. “How’s a girl supposed to make explosives under these conditions?”
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February 27, 2019 8:08am
AgainstTheFlow

Another day of mediocre people giving us a mediocre government and a ‘managed decline’ down the OECD rankings.
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February 27, 2019 8:10am
waikatogirl

Road speeds to be lowered all over central Auckland. The Lime Scooter will be passing your car while it zooms along on the footpath. ?
Thanks Auckland Transport.
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February 27, 2019 8:15am
- Viking2
  
  😆 😆 😆
  Yep its bloody funny.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:54am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Not for the drivers.
    It is Auckland Transports agenda to force drivers out of cars and onto the inadequate public transport network.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:04am
    - Evadne
      
      Because everyone who lives in Eden Terrace is going to catch a bus to the supermarket.
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:08am
      - sooty
        
        Why would anyone go to the CBD. Plenty of shopping centres in the burbs with free parking.
        
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        February 27, 2019 9:29am
      - Evadne
        
        @ sooty. But the proposed low speed zones include a massive swathe of inner-city suburb.
        
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        February 27, 2019 5:55pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Welcome to the Green/socialist utopia!!!
      
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      February 27, 2019 12:14pm
- Sacha
  
  The Greens will be smiling smugly.
  We’ll soon have a new line for tourists : Scoot Lime Green Clean New Zealand . . . . . . .
  
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  February 27, 2019 11:31am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    With plenty of red from your injuries and the pedestrians you slam into…
    
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    February 27, 2019 12:30pm
Surely Knott

Lots of blanket talk about us being late to the party on CGT. But what is being proposed seems much more punishing than elsewhere. EG. From RNZ, on CGT – “University of Montreal economics professor François Vaillancourt said concerns around what a capital gains tax could mean for business and property owners have been mitigated in Canada.
“We have a $1 million exemption for small businesses, farmers and fishers. The idea is that a farmer doesn’t do much in terms of, say, formal saving plans for retirement but their farm goes up in value and they sell the farm and they make their money that way but then they get taxed on that.
“So it’s not as easy for them to accumulate savings for retirement. That’s why we have an exemption for these people.”
And Re lifestyle blocks, Labour want to punish anyone with more than 1 acre, in Aussie it doesn’t start until 5 acres.”
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February 27, 2019 8:15am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  RNZ has a promotional deal with the Government to promote the CGT.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:22am
- Colinxy
  
  Much like socialism has never worked (but we need to keep trying until it does), CGT hasn’t worked either. But, you know, if we just try it here, it’ll work. I guess they need to make it more punitive so that a CGT might actually work for once.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  “So it’s not as easy for them to accumulate savings for retirement. That’s why we have an exemption for these people.”
  
  I just can’t get over how kind some gubmints are to their minions , imagine that , they’re soooooo nice ,they actually let you keep some of your own money.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:30am
- Tall Man
  
  The lifestyle block issue is interesting and possibly a red herring.
  
  In our neighbouhood, all lifestyle blocks, we have a mix of voters. One couple are green, no ifs no buts green voters through and through. Their block is also worth around the $1 million as are most in the street. Another couple are labour with a touch of green. Unfortunately they own 2 blocks adjoining plus a house in Auckland and a couple of rentals locally.
  
  The rest of us are National, being workers in the main with our own businesses and investments that are well diversified.
  
  The conversations have been interesting and I believe a CGT in any form will not appeal to our local lefties at all. Most lefties seem to be happy with “income redistribution” and “fair” until the reality of it steps into their back pocket.
  
  The escalation of the cannabis debate has also caused a few concerns which, considering most were active in that area in the distant past, is interesting.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:50am
  - Colinxy
    
    Yes, the Leftard mindset does seem to be bizarre. When the mean “rich pricks” to pay for it, they mean the rich pricks that aren’t them, e.g., Cullen.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:09am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Oh yes, a total Greenie-Leftard I’ve worked with drove an old banger for years, polluting the environment, and was happy to be paid cash for jobs. When I pointed out that you still have to pay income tax on cash income – silence…
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:47am
      - Colinxy
        
        I’ve met plenty of those. I reckon one of them was Jeanette Fitzsimmons long before she was an MP. I can’t swear by it but the person I met was a dead ringer for her if she wasn’t the one and the same.
        
        She was extremely belligerent which is how I remember her when I worked for an Oil Company in the same manner as Chris Hipkins.
        
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        February 27, 2019 4:14pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    And lifestyle block implies that it’s pasture like blocks in Rodney or South Auckland. But it really says land over 4500m2. So that’s also going to include be a number of bush sections in your tree-hugging left voting suburbs.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:51am
  - Universal Smith
    
    No surprise. Lefties only like socialism using other people money. Studies have shown lefties are actually less caring and generous than conservatives.
    
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    February 27, 2019 12:35pm
- Woz
  
  And as I pointed out elsewhere here, there is a lie being promulgated that NZ is the only country in the 35-member OECD without CGT. Several sources I’ve found say there are 13. At least.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:08am
  - Jack5
    
    That’s not true, Woz. Just three out of 36 OECD members do not have capital gains tax.
    
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    February 27, 2019 11:51am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO the final legislation will deal with residential rental property and directly owned shares.
  KiwiSaver will be exempt 2.9M of them.
  Baches will be exempt 250,000 of them.
  Farms and small businesses will be exempt to appease Winston.
  
  The COL will then say its dealt to the Rich Pricks who own rentals and shares and left in tact the Kiwi lifestyle of the bach the boat and the Bimmer.
  
  There sorted for you.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:23am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Question:
    Since, in it’s current form, CGT will effectively collect NO tax for at least 5 years (ALL other CGT’s around the world used as an example), given your exemptions it will become an expensive hollow part of the IRD ………..perpetually costing us while collecting zero in taxes.
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:51am
secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTIONS….

What qualifications would a *girl from Gore* need, in order to be appointed
*Chairman of CCB NZ*?

CHINA: Is Dame Jenny fluent in Chinese…..or does she order by numbers?

CONSTRUCTION: Other than having been a director of *Mainzeal*, would Dame Jenny know shit from cement?

BANK: Does Dame Jenny write her PIN # on the back of her ATM card so she can
remember it?

Asking for a friend……
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February 27, 2019 8:17am
- Swifty
  
  Answer: supposed ‘prestige’, mana, high-level contacts and access to the corridors of power.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:21am
  - kevn
    
    @Swifty… Not so much now. A muddied ex politician. China Construction Bank will prob find a way for her to just… ‘go’.
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:38am
Swifty

Time and time again recently we’ve been subjected to Labour and Green politicians telling so and so must pay their ‘fair share’ of tax.

Once, just once, will the ‘journalists’ who have access to these people hold their feet to the fire and demand they define ‘fair’. Specifically.

We’re being wilfully misled and in the absence of these questions being asked one can only conclude that the media is fine with this.
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February 27, 2019 8:19am
hullkiwi

Has the public service gone rogue on the CoL and picked out Twitford as the weakest link.

Over the past month there have been a series of news stories, not necessarily linked, but when put run together indicate that Housing and Transport are out of control.

The list goes as follows:
1. KiwiSlumBuild – there have been a series of stories ranging from the failure of the CEO to the failure to meet any targets; and last week stories of failing to sell homes; failure of the programme to add to the national stock of available homes and then there was bribing people to buy homes with $5k of furniture or white ware.
2. Transport
Recent stories have included that plans for Auckland’s LRT programme are behind schedule;
That SH6 Havlock to Nelson will get the same “safety measures” as other dangerous pieces of road in the country instead of a proper express route.
And yesterday…
Hints that NZTA are dragging their feet on SkyPath, suggesting they are hoping for a change of government next year.

These are indications of things not being well in two ministries of 1 minister, is anyone aware of any other problems in any other portfolio areas. If so, National needs to start turning up the pressure on the CoL.
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February 27, 2019 8:25am
- sooty
  
  He’s in the shitter if even the public servants hate him!
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:31am
Fletch

In case you missed it (and I sort of missed the details) Senators in the US wrote up a bill that would protect babies that have been born alive after a botched abortion – yes, born ALIVE. Democrat Senators, including presidential hopefuls Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris, all voted against it. This just staggers the mind.

https://www.facebook.com/blazemedia/videos/304713356817900/

These people are evil
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February 27, 2019 8:31am
- Inandout
  
  You can forgive Bernie because he is not of sound mind, but the rest have no excuse.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:48am
- Jules99
  
  Several medical groups, including the American College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, the American Medical Women’s Association and the American Public Health Association, have also publicly opposed the bill, saying in a recent letter to senators that it “represents a dangerous government intrusion into private health-care decisions”.
  
  Apparently it’s none of the government’s business if the mother and doctor decide the baby is better off dying.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:16am
  - MrTips
    
    Bullshit. They’re only too happy for the govt to intrude with Medicare.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:54am
- Woz
  
  OK, I take back the nice things I said about Bernie the other day. Unreservedly.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:38am
Inandout

The idiot that is AOC. Yes our princess does look and act similarly, but lawnmowers are far more lucrative than advertising.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pac-aligned-with-ocasio-cortez-paid-6g-her-boyfriend-for-marketing-work
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February 27, 2019 8:40am
- KevOB
  
  I thought that was 6 grams (Of what?). Soubrekkies?
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:09am
- Tall Man
  
  At least it wasn’t the $360,000 that was paid to genter’s fuck buddy…..
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:21am
  - Woz
    
    I see there’s a bit of a stink brewing about AOC’s partner receiving money from her funds. These people are filth.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:39am
    - sooty
      
      Corruption?
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:18am
alloytoo

alloytoo
This was pointed out by the Mrs .
I posted in general debate late yesterday, Thought it deserved a repeat this morning

Jack Tame interview with the PM yesterday morning.
She can’t even get the facts right about the due dates for rental standards compliance.
When Jack corrects her (good on Jack) she doubles down on her assertion.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=715741445486577
fun starts about 2 mins in.
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February 27, 2019 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  I won’t watch it because I can’t take this kid seriously, but for a moment he must have made a fool out of her highness. Duncan will praise her again next week to even the score.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:46am
  - waikatogirl
    
    “he must have made a fool out of her highness”
    
    Nah, she managed that all by herself. Then she told him he was wrong and they would clarify it off camera, and then stated the wrong dates again.
    
    Appallingly bad, even a PMSelect ?
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:52am
  - pdm
    
    She must have been bloody awful if Jack Tame made a fool out of her.
    
    He is pretty much a left wing sycophant.
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:08am
    - alloytoo
      
      Jack’s a bit of an enigma.
      
      While he’s most certainly a lefty, he occasionally slips off the TVNZ leash and actually asks some hard questions.
      
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      February 27, 2019 12:08pm
- DigNap15
  
  Thanks I just watched some of it.
  I really can’t understand why we have a young school teacher as our Prime Minister.
  She just relies on her hand waving and special practiced looks to get through.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:49am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    She would make a great kindergarten teacher.
    
    Unfortunately, she believes the world should be run as a kindergarten, on kindness and singalongs.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:18am
- Woz
  
  A silly little boy interviewing a silly little girl. The kids are in charge of the kindergarten.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:41am
- auckwood
  
  She’s so light headed, she seems to be swaying back in forth like there is breeze in the studio… or is Jack Tame a really heavy breather, shes going back in forwards like shes about to fall over almost
  
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  February 27, 2019 12:45pm
MCos

The Catholic Church top brass looks after it’s own in much the same way as any totalitarian organization.
Cardinal Pell is a convicted paedophile, but he is allowed to remain a priest and a cardinal.
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February 27, 2019 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  You’re the one calling him Cardinal with a capital C, comrade .
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:13am
  - MCos
    
    Beginning of a sentence.
    
    Let’s see what his sentence is?
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:22am
    - kowtow
      
      Still called him Cardo . You , comrade could be the first to strike a blow for the revolution and just call him George . Capital G cos it’s a proper noun , like Cardinal Pell , beginning of sentence or otherwise.
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:54am
    - Ed Snack
      
      He will appeal, and if you followed the case, you should see that the verdict is an appalling miscarriage of justice. There were witnesses that stated that the alleged abuse could not have happened, yet they were ignored and unsubstantiated allegations believed despite contrary evidence. No way that could pass the “reasonable doubt” threshold.
      
      He will appeal and the appeal *should* succeed, though the depths of irrational hatred of Catholics in Australia may yet hold sway.
      
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      February 27, 2019 10:02am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Without defending Pell, it does appear an iffy conviction in that it was one person’s word against another, and the second victim (now dead) denied anything had occurred.
  
  Two trials, first was a hung jury, second trial the jury took 3.5 days to come back with a verdict.
  
  The Victorian DPP refused to prosecute the case three times, and it was the Vic Police who forced the trial.
  
  Take the name Cardinal Pell out of it, and it looks suspect.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:26am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    No problem if it’s a wrong verdict – Pell will apparently live forever in gods glory in the hereafter, so what does it matter if he has a hard time in this life?
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:46am
  - Woz
    
    I had the very same thought.
    
    But I otherwise can’t offer an informed opinion on the matter.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:47am
    - holysheet
      
      Fuck me Woz. If you or anyone else on here waited until they could give an “INFORMED OPINION” then it would be a very silent blog
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:00am
  - kowtow
    
    If he is the crazed sex attacker as per the evidence in this case there’d be dozens of victims , where are they . In the Pell case there was only one who gave evidence. And the other victim allegedly told his mum he’d not been the victim of a sex assault.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:57am
    - ztev
      
      Almost all the Criteria in the Victoria DPPs guidelines for ‘a reasonable prospect of a conviction’ werent met.
      https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2016/03/victorias-director-of-public-prosecutions-has-wide-discretion-to-prosecute-or-not-heres-the-policy-d.html
      
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      February 27, 2019 10:17am
  - Huevon
    
    I agree. Probably best to reserve judgement until the appeals process is completed.
    
    (Btw I’m Catholic).
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:06am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    What makes this case iffy is the lack of other victims. Paedophiles seldom only have one or two victims, when one comes forward, usually, many more come out of the woodwork. Look at some of the high profile cases recently in New Zealand. Lots of victims. If Pell is a paedophile, he is a piss poor one as he has managed one shag…. what, and then decide, oops this is not for me and never offended again?? Bullshit.
    The circumstances of the offending seem strange. Shagging an altar boy in the sacristy straight after Mass seems a bit odd as they can be very public places.
    
    On the other hand, if he actually did do as alleged, well fuck him.
    
    I am a Catholic and have no time for paedophiles, but I also have no time for false complainants.
    
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    February 27, 2019 5:48pm
- wombatge
  
  George Pell is not the only one on trial here, this conviction makes it clear beyond doubt that the Victorian Justice system has broken down and is totally dysfunctional.
  I am not a great fan of the Catholic church, but this lies bare how bad our judicial system has become.
  In Victoria, the police can now convict someone on another persons word, nothing else.
  Whilst in New Zealand, a 20 year old can put his hand down multiple adolescents pants in a room full of people, yet no one saw anything and his name remains semi concealed.
  The courts taking an eternity to bring this guy to Justice, and may never face the public.
  You wood hope it is made public, if it isn’t, NZ is going down the same road as Victoria.
  It is a very serious world we live in, our traditional justice system as we know it, looks like disappearing.
  Both systems appear to be corrupted by government intervention.
  I hope someone can prove me wrong.
  
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  February 27, 2019 1:20pm
lastmanstanding

Did anyone see Andrew Bolt on Sky last night. He featured a guy wearing a T shirt that had
Ineptiocracy and then had a definition under it.

It spelt out our situation. Something like the inept being voted in by the ignorant to take money off the productive to give to the slothful and lazy.
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February 27, 2019 9:11am
KevOB

Why should a close neighbour covet another country’s oil?
Is it compulsory for all nations to have the same social systems despite different states of development?
Is the “developed” world turning back to feudalism with the Central Banks creating Baronets?

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-war-on-venezuela-is-built-on-lies
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February 27, 2019 9:15am
MCos

Because of the reckless actions of the Mainzeal directors a whole lot of hard working Kiwis are seriously out of pocket.

Lock them up.
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February 27, 2019 9:20am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Agree, though I can see how a director might believe they were doing the right thing in trying to trade their way out of it – they could honestly believe they were helping both their workforce and their creditors.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:47am
  - Ed Snack
    
    You can trade your way out as long as you are not actually insolvent at any time – because then you are guilty of “trading while insolvent” regardless of your intent.
    
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    February 27, 2019 11:15am
marcw

“‘Panic attacks, drugs and sex at work’: Report reveals how Facebook moderators are struggling to cope.”

– headline in The Telegraph this morning. Says it all really, drugs and sex at work would probably interfere with my KPI’s too, but standard fare at Facebook no doubt.
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February 27, 2019 9:20am
- Ross12
  
  The more high profile the people they censor the more their actions will be highlighted.
  Tommy Robinson will not take this lying down
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-26/tommy-robinson-upstages-radical-far-left-bbc-hit-piece-gets-permanent-facebook-ban
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:25am
  - Ross12
    
    Here is the TRobinson video that FB and Youtube banned/censored
    https://www.therebel.media/tommy-robinson-pandorama-fake-news-bbc-uk-europe-documentary
    
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    February 27, 2019 4:09pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Very entertaining.
      
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      February 27, 2019 9:35pm
wreck1080

“Property investor: I’ve paid more in tax in 20 years than you’ll earn your lifetime”

He has around 80 houses, many with the mortgage paid off or soon. Which must put his net worth around 50 million.

I guarantee he has paid nowhere near 13 million in tax (which is what someone would pay in income tax for the same amount).

So , why should he escape paying his share of tax ? It is people like me supporting this guy!
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February 27, 2019 9:20am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Bring all housing inside the CGT – simple.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:27am
- kevn
  
  @wreck… I guess you are supporting this guy if you rent from him. I bet he has some horror stories of tenants gone bad. Maybe he sold the family farm to buy houses?
  Lots of folk have done well on the sharemarket as well.
  That Graham Hart/Rank has done well, NZ richest man supposedly.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:32am
  - KevOB
    
    They also fall and into a much deeper pit than the envious do. Capital gains means the risk of capital losses. Business enterprise may or not provide a gain from something escaping the income tax net but it does surely provide a sea-full of risks exposing the enterpriser and family to damage for which there is no other compensating reward. Taxing such gains is to attack hope and enterprise. Only those already rich would be willing then to venture capital.
    
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    February 27, 2019 12:39pm
- Ultima
  
  The article is full of sensationalism and click bait quotes. Its written to draw emotions rather than present facts.
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:34am
  - graham
    
    In today’s media? No-o-o-o! Say it isn’t so!
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:02am
- kowtow
  
  What is one’s “share of tax” ?
  
  There’s hundreds of thousands of bludgers in NZ who are not net tax payers .
  
  Also , if the gubmint ( both teams) didn’t spend like a drunken sailor then the “share” of tax stolen off the productive sector , under threat of assault and detention , could be so much FAIRER .
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:51am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Investment Wreckers love that kind of example. The truth is:
  “Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment released figures in 2015 showing there were about 130,000 landlords with rental properties – slightly more than 100,000 owned a single property”
  
  And those single property investors will be paying a huge chunk out of what is nothing but *inflation*. They have just been trying to save a nest-egg for retirement.
  
  Only big investors with plenty of leverage can really get rich with property investment.
  
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  February 27, 2019 12:36pm
  - artemisia
    
    Ms Collins also cites MBIE as saying that some 300 landlords had over 200 properties. Some might think these are owners of all those properties, but it will include property managers. For MBIE (tenancy bond) purposes a landlord may be an owner or a property manager or a trust. Each of which can correctly be called a landlord and not just in MBIE terms.
    
    This means that the figure of 100,000 owning only one property will be understated as it does not include those having their property managed.
    
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    February 27, 2019 2:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

THE POOR JUDGEMENT OF JENNEY SHIPLEY …

Future of Dame Jenny’s senior positions on multiple boards uncertain | RNZ News

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/383450/future-of-dame-jenny-s-senior-positions-on-multiple-boards-uncertain

Political pressure is mounting over whether it’s tenable for Dame Jenny Shipley to keep two high-profile director positions in the wake of a High Court ruling. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… earlier reports …

Anne-Marie Brady says Jenny Shipley made a ‘mistake’ in talking to Chinese state media | RNZ News

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/382912/anne-marie-brady-says-jenny-shipley-made-a-mistake-in-talking-to-chinese-state-media

China’s Entrepreneurs Are Wary of Its Future – The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/business/china-entrepreneurs-confidence.html
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February 27, 2019 10:22am
- Jack5
  
  Interesting comments on Jenny Shipley, Hugh.
  
  It’s extraordinary that a former Prime Minister is being nailed for millions over directorship of a company, and also is in a row over being misquoted in the State media of China.
  
  You have to wonder whether China will still want her on the NZ board of one of its banks.
  
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  February 27, 2019 10:40am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … An essential read …
    
    Gordon Campbell on National’s cosy relationship with China | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1902/S00111/gordon-campbell-on-nationals-cosy-relationship-with-china.htm
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    Jack5 …The Kiwi Tories sure have a very sick culture … where greed rules and the wider New Zealand interests can go to hell.
    
    Its well past time the good people within the National Party sorted out the losers within the Party leadership and former leadership ranks.
    
    National Party members deserve much better than this.
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:52am
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      The country deserves much better than this.
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:14am
    - Jack5
      
      Campbell’s article at Scoop says Shipley is also a director of the NZ water exporter Oravida, which is owned (ultimately, through another company) by James William Blackwell, of Mt Maunganui.
      
      The other three directors of Oravida are Blackwell, Stone Shi and Julia Jiyan Xu, the latter two both of Auckland.
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:45am
- Swifty
  
  You’re a fine one to talk about poor judgement.
  
  You serial spamming cock.
  
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  February 27, 2019 10:44am
  - Jack5
    
    ❓ What and whom are you on about, Swifty❓
    
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    February 27, 2019 10:47am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Swifty … How about some sound judgement from you for a pleasant change.
      
      The recently updated archival website of mine PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org speaks for itself.
      
      Sadly … the National Party left me.
      
      I didn’t leave the National Party.
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:00am
      - Swifty
        
        Go fuck yourself Hugh.
        
        If you’re no longer a member then good. Last thing National needs is bad advertisements like you reflecting on them.
        
        Arsehole.
        
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        February 27, 2019 11:33am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Google New Zealand News search ‘Jenny Shipley’
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=jenny+shipley&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmrumk0drgAhXJWisKHQ8cCMkQ_AUIDygC&biw=970&bih=426
        
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        February 27, 2019 1:21pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        New Zealand Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters comments …
        
        ‘What are you journalists doing about it?’ – Winston Peters fires back over Dame Jenny Shipley staying on boards | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/you-journalists-doing-winston-peters-fires-back-over-dame-jenny-shipley-staying-boards?variant=tb_v_1
        
        Winston Peters renews criticism of Jenny Shipley following Mainzeal court ruling – NZ Herald
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12207947
        
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        February 27, 2019 8:17pm
calendar girl

Hugh P, you and some other people are portraying Shipley as the sole or main culprit for Mainzeal’s insolvency. That’s unbalanced when there was a Board of Directors, of which she was but one member.

Comments of that nature tend to sound more political than analytical.
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February 27, 2019 10:45am
- Jack5
  
  Shipley is one of three directors ordered to pay $6 million each.
  
  Shipley is a former Prime Minister, FFS, but who has heard of the other two, Peter Gomm and Clive Tilby?
  
  Nothing unbalanced in the media focusing on the well-known Shipley.
  
  I haven’t read anywhere that Shipley is branded the main culprit. She’s just the best known of the three who seem to have seriously fucked up.
  
  This is issue is a report of court proceedings. What are you on about with “political rather than analytical comments” ?
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1902/S00681/jenny-shipley-must-pay-6-million-to-mainzeal-creditors.htm
  
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  February 27, 2019 10:52am
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    Calendar Girl … I simply expect much better judgement and standards from high profile National Party people.
    
    Please consider carefully the material I have posted here today.
    
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    February 27, 2019 11:13am
    - Swifty
      
      You’re delusional.
      
      That much is clear.
      
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      February 27, 2019 11:34am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Going back to August 2017 … pre – election …
        
        … Perception is reality in politics …
        
        National Party auctions off ice axe signed by Sir Edmund Hillary to raise funds for campaign … Nicole Lawton … Fairfax New Zealand
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96019247/national-party-auctions-off-ice-axe-signed-by-sir-edmund-hillary-to-raise-funds-for-campaign
        
        … extracts …
        
        … But perhaps the greater attraction was the opportunity to meet the Prime Minister and his deputy, Paula Bennett, to pose for photos with them, to schmooze.
        
        The Prime Minister put himself up for auction: one lucky (and wealthy) donor and 10 close friends won the a dinner date with the English, “at your favourite restaurant” after the election. (Cost of the dinner not included).
        
        A Chinese community leader said such appearances would hold enormous prestige within the culture.
        
        “The implied Chinese business culture is around guanxi, which means relationship. Whoever won that dinner would be highly regarded because they hold a special bond with New Zealand Prime Minister.”
        
        They said if the dinner went well, the successful bidder might enjoy increased business opportunities in the future because of it. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        Isn’t it past time the National Partyy woke up ? … what I said August 2017 …
        
        Posted at … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_27_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2003563 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/macro-afternoon-262/#comment-2943519 … extract …
        
        Crony Chronicles: I Want To Be A Crony – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aO9tA5DWJM
        
        … Johan Norberg explains what ethical Capitalism is all about …
        
        The Real Adam Smith: Morality and Markets – Full Video … YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6S6pMsKzlI
        
        … The above video will be used as a foundation for the re-education of National Party politicians and members … when the Party is deservedly sent to the Opposition benches 23 September.
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:17pm
      - Swifty
        
        Like I said – serial spamming link-whoring delusional cloth-eared friendless arsehole.
        
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        February 27, 2019 12:25pm
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February 27, 2019 10:46am
WaveyDavey

@ Evadne – re how do the photos get published.

OK if they’re taken by a staff photographer they will be colour corrected and cropped, retouching is an instantly dismissable offence. Now the subject may well have had a make up job, that’s the subject’s choice and responsibility. The photog then uploads the captioned image to the DAM and a page designer calls the image from the DAM – they have precisely zero capability to edit the image here.

If an image is submitted, generally via email, then the supplied image will be captioned (not in Photoshop) and submitted to the DAM. Now this image may well have been ‘chopped before it was supplied, especially if it comes from a women’s mag but Stuff is not responsible for that.
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February 27, 2019 12:31pm
- Tall Man
  
  May not be responsible but could clearly identify the photo as “adapted” ot put in place a policy, as it is primarily a “news” site, that no adapted phots will be published.
  
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  February 27, 2019 1:15pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Different argument, and not one I’d disagree with, but nonetheless the claim was that Stuff retouches photos of the PM – they absolutely do not.
    
    And why the feckin’ downvote from whoever? FFS this is an explanation of the mechanism of how a pic get onto a page. What’s to downvote about the process, christ on a bike is this place so feckin’ tribal that you’d refuse to accept the actual facts if they don’t suit your narrative?
    
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    February 27, 2019 1:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think the point has been made that stuff uses retouched photos and allows retouched photos to be inserted into “news” stories.
      
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      February 27, 2019 2:58pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Look this is the current live Stuff politics page – which of these images have been “enhanced”?
    
    https://ibb.co/Yyy6NdS
    
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    February 27, 2019 1:30pm
    - sooty
      
      All of them!
      
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      February 27, 2019 3:19pm
Happychappy

A good column from Rodney Dickens on interest https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/98330/rodney-dickens-says-stirring-wage-inflation-worldwide-signals-official-interest-rates.
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February 27, 2019 12:45pm
LTA1955

Could COLFO update C**T Cahill on the current legislation about A Cat firearms? He’s spouting off on MAGIC Radio right now that the country needs all firearms registered to protect the public from licenced firearms owner…….sounds like the way Venezuela has gone, how is that going again?
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February 27, 2019 12:47pm
- kowtow
  
  Extraordinary isn’t it ?
  
  One can just see all those drug dealing gang members falling over themselves to line up at the local Plod Shop to register their illegally obtained weapons ……..like the two loaded pistols that came in with the intercepted drug shipment .
  
  Meanwhile Plod continues to harrass the law abiding low hanging fruit.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110840539/110kg-of-methamphetamine-and-handguns-found-in-golf-cart-batteries-seized-by-customs
  
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  February 27, 2019 7:03pm
DigNap15

Bad news with the January Trade figures
A big deficit even before Invisibles.
A $500 million dollar defecit means our banks have to borrow $500 million overseas to cover it and then we have to pay the interest on that.

Importing more oil and gas will be great idea.
Kicking exporters with constant wage rises will also be great.
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February 27, 2019 1:19pm
- Poppa
  
  Apparently double what was predicted
  
  More importantly, when is the 4th quarter GDP figure due? It must be soon?
  
  That will also be bad news. The economy is slowing down big time, despite the building activity
  
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  February 27, 2019 1:30pm
  - mandk
    
    Stats NZ Release Calendar says the Dec 2018 qtr GDP figures will be out on 21 March.
    
    But don’t worry about silly old GDP. What matters nowadays is whether you have made a new friend and how many fluffy bunnies you spot on your way to your kumbaya lesson.
    
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    February 27, 2019 2:51pm
- Prince
  
  Can you give us a link pls ?
  Unfortunately I rely on Stuff so of course I miss these things unless they favour the COL.
  
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  February 27, 2019 5:57pm
- Wired-one
  
  And yet our MSM are silent. What’s the bloody point of even having journalism in this country ffs.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:02pm
DigNap15

Roger Douglas is on Magic Radio right now.
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February 27, 2019 1:20pm
Ross12

It is not only NZ Lab/NZF/Green MPs that do not turn up to committee meetings. US Dems are in the same boat but what makes it even “better” is the meeting was an urgent meeting setup by the Dems to discuss climate change !!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/02/26/democrat-house-oversight-subcommittee-schedules-hearing-on-climate-change-democrats-dont-show-up/

But then the stupid Republican members agree to an adjournment!
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February 27, 2019 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

My partner and me got an invite from next door to go over
to thier place for dinner last night..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0A0RA_XQAE5j5H.jpg
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February 27, 2019 1:28pm
- stigie
  
  Sounds pretty saucy Maggie Pie..?
  
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  February 27, 2019 3:12pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thats not you is it Ken? 🙂
    
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    February 27, 2019 4:00pm
    - stigie
      
      For me to know and you to find out Maggie.
      I do know im not Johnboy !!
      
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      February 27, 2019 5:55pm
Swifty

Sir Bob speaking a few years ago re: the RMA etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLGkDutatUk

Some good laughs to be had.
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February 27, 2019 2:56pm
- Inandout
  
  Sir Bob is almost alone in publicly highlighting the Maori crap we (not he) tolerate. At one time we could just laugh to ourselves about the cultural shit, but now we pay.
  
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  February 27, 2019 5:18pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yep, the price people pay who push back is too high.
    
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    February 27, 2019 5:29pm
  - kowtow
    
    National under Key claimed they’d address the racist seats , then he went into power with them , entrenching even more nonsense.
    
    Who can one vote for to end this racism ?
    
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    February 27, 2019 6:56pm
DigNap15

I’d just like to give my condolences to the families of the 3 guys killed by a truck in Matata yesterday.
They were just doing their job.
Very sad.
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February 27, 2019 3:28pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Yes sounded nasty. 4 trucks involved and a car? The police were asking for witnesses, especially a hang-glider who may have had a bird’s eye view of the whole unfolding accident?
  
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  February 27, 2019 4:35pm
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    Paraglider
    
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    February 27, 2019 6:17pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yes. Thanks Odakyu ?
      
      Condolences to the families of the Higgins road workers killed, and to Higgins bosses. Not something any employer wants to happen.
      
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      February 27, 2019 6:38pm
- Nermal
  
  And people complain that modern day roadworks signage is over the top. These guys put their lives at risk all day, every day
  
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  February 27, 2019 5:24pm
  - kowtow
    
    You can have all have signage you like , won’t and clearly doesn’t stop idiot drivers .
    
    It’s against the law to text and drive , people doing it all the time.
    
    Where’s the cops.
    
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    February 27, 2019 6:53pm
- DigNap15
  
  I think that the van that caused the damage was a rental.
  
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  February 27, 2019 5:30pm
Swifty

What? Does this mean that capitalism carries risk?

You mean the rich don’t always get richer?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12207895

Bloody hell, why didn’t the media ever tell us this? They’ve been forever telling us that the rich have it all their own way!

I’m confused!
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February 27, 2019 4:09pm
- stigie
  
  You will be more confused Swifty when they start piling on the CGT exemptions for mouldy ole chap..?
  
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  February 27, 2019 6:02pm
  - Swifty
    
    If they do, then you’d be right stigie.
    
    Funny though, NZ lefties marched and protested for years against race-based policies overseas – wouldn’t they be the worst and ultimate hypocrites if they supported them here?
    
    Now that I think of it – do lefties ever really think things through?
    
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    February 27, 2019 6:09pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Nope, one on TVNZ tonight stating the CGT charged on Maori is against the TOW.
      
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      February 27, 2019 6:40pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , and it led to a new Dark Age there.
      
      The marchers can be proud of their part in history, destroying a productive country and turning it into a kleptocracy.
      
      https://www.dw.com/en/south-african-power-cuts-darken-ancs-election-outlook/a-47676150
      
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      February 27, 2019 6:50pm
starboard

Courtesy Hobsons Pledge

A snippet from Don Brash’s speech recently out at West Auckland.

Treaty ignorance shocking

“Earlier this month, something shocking happened at Waitangi.

And no, I’m not referring to my being shouted down at the Lower Marae. That was rude, but not shocking – indeed, perhaps I should have expected it.

No, I’m referring to the total inability of the Prime Minister to answer two very simple questions about the Treaty of Waitangi.

She was asked what the first Article of the Treaty provided. She admitted she hadn’t a clue.

She was asked what the second Article of the Treaty provided, and again she admitted she hadn’t a clue.

A few days ago, I asked a journalist if she could tell me what the first two Articles of the Treaty were, and she couldn’t, but knew that the Treaty was about partnership. I wasn’t asking her to recite the exact wording – though given how short the two Articles are it might not be unreasonable to expect many New Zealanders to be able to do that.

I was simply asking her, as the Prime Minister had been asked, what the first two Articles of the Treaty provided. And she didn’t know, talking instead about partnership.

I suspect that that ignorance is widespread, despite the fact that all political parties claim a commitment to the Treaty, and to its so-called principles. And fundamental to those so-called principles is partnership.”…..

http://www.hobsonspledge.nz/?e=9b994ffb6bd9141c440866831e0a7b44&utm_source=hobsonspledge&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=update_81&n=2
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February 27, 2019 5:32pm
DigNap15

So Shane Jones has given some of out tax money to a few Maori community groups.
Nothing about creating jobs!

Six months ago, they gave some money to restore a church in the lower North island. What’s with that?
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February 27, 2019 5:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Sports facility in Kaitaia will create jobs…(assuming that some agency keeps funding it)
  
  The Kupe Waka Centre will create some jobs at the start…
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/383515/4-point-6m-grant-to-make-sir-hek-s-waka-dream-a-reality
  
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  February 27, 2019 6:07pm
DigNap15

I just saw a poll on Stuff
Are you in Favour of a CGT ?
Yes 39%
No 61%
Lets hope that we can raise those Nos’
We need to counter the “Its only fair” mantra.
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February 27, 2019 6:10pm
- Prince
  
  Understand there was a piece on the evening news indicating the Govt was likely to exempt Maori tribes from the CGT.
  Something about ‘fairness’, and the tax only being based on ‘a number in a bank account’, whatever that means.
  So now it’s not fair for Maori to pay tax ?
  Cullen and Ardern both in favour of exemption (surprise – how else could she front at Ratana and Waitangi next year).
  
  What a joke. The ‘fair’ CGT only applies to non-Maori. It really is a tax on ‘rich’ white people. As if we should expect anything different.
  
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  February 27, 2019 6:37pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    You can be certain it will not apply to Maori land and assets.
    
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    February 27, 2019 6:46pm
- Universal Smith
  
  If Simon plays this right he could raise his ratings to an acceptable level, while winning more votes for National. This is a gift so lets see how he uses it.
  
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  February 27, 2019 6:38pm
- nasska
  
  The “Its only fair” mantra may reach its target but will they do anything about it? Those who are most inclined to vote are the least enamoured by the proposal.
  
  The true beneficiaries of wealth distribution don’t usually get out of bed on election day unless bribed by KFC vouchers.
  
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  February 27, 2019 6:39pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    At first I thought a wee bit of it did sound fair. After thinking about how it would actually work, and listening to others, I am now thinking it would create more unfairness than it fixed.
    
    The way to help those who are struggling is through less tax not more.
    
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    February 27, 2019 6:44pm
    - nasska
      
      The part that really concerns me is that CGT provides the biggest return to government when inflation is at its highest. There is no incentive for our political masters to rein in inflation which cripples investment & growth.
      
      Instance NZ in the late 70s & early 80s.
      
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      February 27, 2019 6:54pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        The inflation issue is a big one. It is a tax on inflation, which is an appalling idea for all kinds of reasons too obvious to mention. Yet you no mention of a tax refund if your property decreases in value.
        
        It is also another dig at the long suffering farmers whom the govt and media hate.
        
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        February 27, 2019 7:00pm
Keeping Stock

George Pell will spend his first night in prison tonight, having dropped his application for bail. I wonder if the prison chaplain will call by to take confession…
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February 27, 2019 7:02pm
- sooty
  
  He should be happy!
  All the arse he wants!
  May not be young!
  He maybe on the bottom!
  
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  February 27, 2019 7:09pm
- Swifty
  
  I have it on good authority that ol’ George has been living a gilded existence for at least 20 or more years, since his elevation to the Archbishopdom of Melbourne, with cooks, drivers, maids, valets etc etc.
  
  I wonder who will be emptying out his piss pot tomorrow morning? Or will he already have found a young inmate to help him with his challenges?
  
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  February 27, 2019 7:16pm
- Swifty
  
  Aussie 60 Minutes on Pell a couple of days ago:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZmxkphdwU
  
  Pell is a child rapist and an accomplice of the cover up of child rape.
  
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  February 27, 2019 7:36pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    “He has always argued his intervention on behalf of child abuse victims was innovative, independent and compassionate. But now, secret documents reveal it as a cynical smokescreen designed to protect the Catholic Church at all costs.”
    
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    February 27, 2019 7:46pm
nasska

Who remembers the trial & sentencing last year of Rouxle Le Roux, a then 19yo who killed a kid riding a bike while pissed & stoned then drove off. There was a justifiable backlash from those who considered that her sentence of 11 months of home detention was manifestly inadequate.

One would have thought that the overentitled little prat would have gone home & served her sentence but no:

…..” On February 20 it is alleged she failed to respond to two visits where probation officers knocked repeatedly on the door of her home.

She has been charged with failing to comply with the conditions of her sentence and will appear in the North Shore District Court next month”……

https://www.nzherald.co.nz//nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12207400&ref=clavis
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February 27, 2019 7:07pm
- Universal Smith
  
  She will have a story portraying her as the victim as the basis of the defense. Almost all women do that.
  
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  February 27, 2019 7:11pm
  - nasska
    
    It’s highly unlikely that we’ll see anything resembling justice. That would involve serving the balance of the sentence at a women’s prison on the basis that she is totally unfit for community punishment.
    
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    February 27, 2019 7:18pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Another trick is getting pregnant before sentencing, though most ferals have already spat out some meal tickets/ get out of jail passes, already.
      
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      February 27, 2019 7:33pm
    - GoVege
      
      Why don’t they just give idiots like this a lifetime driving ban, with 6 months in jail if caught driving.
      Plenty of women never learn to drive at all and they still manage to get from A to B.
      
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      February 27, 2019 8:28pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        I don’t think we need to wreck another life. But there does need to be consequences.
        
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        February 27, 2019 8:33pm
- GoVege
  
  11 months home detention for killing a kid…..not even enforced…versus 50 years for molesting one, or being accused of doing so.
  Makes sense….
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:25pm
Fletch

Looks like the conviction of Pell was a fit-up .

“The cardinal’s first trial ended in a hung jury, with 10 of 12 jurors in favor of acquittal.
In the retrial, the defense again demonstrated that it was physically impossible for the alleged abuse of two choirboys (one now deceased) to have occurred, given the layout and security arrangements of Melbourne’s Catholic cathedral [.] The retrial jury took days to reach a verdict, during which the jurors asked the trial judge for instructions on how evidence should be considered. That an overwhelming vote for acquittal at the first trial was then flipped to a unanimous verdict for conviction invites the inference that the jury chose to ignore evidence that the alleged crimes couldn’t have happened.How can a crime alleged to have been committed 22 years ago be prosecuted without any corroborating evidence that it occurred? But the foul atmosphere in Melbourne was reminiscent of rural Alabama in the 1930s.”

https://nypost.com/2018/12/31/the-unfair-anti-catholic-conviction-of-cardinal-george-pell/

Looks like he was largely convicted without any evidence.
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February 27, 2019 7:33pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Because guys are always making false complaints about being raped and abused?
  
  The defense sounds pricey, who is paying for it?
  
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  February 27, 2019 7:42pm
- nasska
  
  I’d have more sympathy for your argument if I hadn’t recently read this:
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/05/07/nearly-50-years-after-losing-his-job-for-investigating-a-priest-an-australian-detective-stands-vindicated/?utm_term=.4125b70a98b0
  
  The Catholic church is rotten to the core. If there are priests who don’t fuck kids they should get out now.
  
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  February 27, 2019 7:44pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    There should be regular welfare checks on the children of Catholics. There should be a publicly available register kept of Catholics searchable online.
    
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    February 27, 2019 7:50pm
    - nasska
      
      Their children should be checked out by health workers every six months for signs of sexual abuse.
      
      The Godaddled parents can’t be trusted to put their kids first!
      
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      February 27, 2019 7:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Should have used this
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mEHUzNWnh5M
        
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        February 27, 2019 7:57pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    There’s no doubt there was plenty of abuse going on.
    And that some Senior Police probably didn’t investigate when they should have- possibly because of their own connections with the Church.
    But the Pell conviction is a bit suss.
    Lots of money paid to victims in Oz…
    That said, Pell did *not see* a couple of abusers who were right under his nose.
    
    Oh, and several people in the Media have been after Pell for a long time. A real crusade.
    He’s not perfect but this one doesn’t seem right.
    
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    February 27, 2019 7:55pm
    - GoVege
      
      I tend to agree, AOR.
      I was under the impression that paedophiles have hundreds of victims, not just a few.
      The whole thing sounds a bit dodgy.
      The abuse handed out to this old man was over the top and downright cruel.
      
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      February 27, 2019 8:19pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    “If there are priests who don’t fuck kids”
    
    Love the black humour.
    
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    February 27, 2019 7:56pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Didn’t the witness who died recant his testimony to his mother just before he died?
  
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  February 27, 2019 7:49pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    Because he had been told his soul would go to hell if he did not, as he had spoken out against the church. He was told to forgive before his passing.
    
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    February 27, 2019 7:52pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      What was the detail of his accusation?
      
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      February 27, 2019 7:55pm
- GoVege
  
  The downfall of Cardinal Pell is the natural result of an irrational belief system that condemns humans for their innate biology.
  Gay men have turned to the priesthood for centuries attempting to fight their homosexuality.
  Nature will out and choirboys have borne the brunt of all those repressed urges.
  Just as countless thousands of women and girls have died and continue to die in poor countries for disobeying the church’s laws denying them control over their fertility.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Akshully… if you were an enterprising young Catholic Lad wouldn’t it be opportune to offer yourself up for Priesthood nowadays?

With all the dodgy guys being exposed, there’s going to be fewer chaps between you and the fancy baubles at the top of the Catholic Tree…..
The route to Ecclesiastical Splendour has probably never been shorter.
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February 27, 2019 8:13pm
- Universal Smith
  
  They could start by selecting men in a stable relationship with a grown woman. But apparently that dirties them (unlike sodomising little boys).
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ah, but then they would be Orthodox Priests.
    
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    February 27, 2019 8:31pm
Pascal

Oh look – negative reaction to the Capital Gains Tax?

Quick media, find a story filled with positividity about Ardern! If you can invoke the ghost of JLR past or disparage Simon Bridges, even better!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/revealed-arderns-call-for-ministers-to-be-kind-amid-chaotic-jami-lee-ross-saga/ar-BBU7VFU?ocid=spartandhp
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February 27, 2019 8:24pm
- Universal Smith
  
  The media will allow a degree of controlled dissent, before running their campaign to sell the policy and promote Ardern. They will also attack the opposition and run distraction stories.
  
  It is all going according to plan. A few stories grumbling about it are just part of the plan, not a backlash.
  
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  February 27, 2019 8:30pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    “They will also attack the opposition and run distraction stories”
    
    Does that include having dickhead trolls on blogs talking down Simon because they know if it gets to a debate over policy he will tear her a new one??
    
    Yeah thought so.
    
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    February 27, 2019 9:19pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Hi awful. Spit the cock out of your mouth and listen up. I am not responsible for him polling around 5%. Lying to yourself and shooting the messenger will not win an election.
      
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      February 27, 2019 10:10pm
- DigNap15
  
  I thought Ardern was a Communist.
  This sounds more like a Nazi propoganda tactic.
  This is what you will say!
  
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  February 27, 2019 9:19pm
Hugh Pavletich

… JENNY SHIPLEYS POOR JUDGEMENT … CONTINUED …

Mainzeal director Richard Yan planned to develop a hotel for Chinese Communist Party officials at a Waiheke Island vineyard, court judgment says | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/98366/mainzeal-director-richard-yan-planned-develop-hotel-chinese-communist-party-officials

A director of Mainzeal Property and Construction was in the process of buying a Waiheke Island Vineyard to develop a hotel for Chinese Communist Party officials before the company went bust.

The development was being built on land owned by Isola Vineyards, formerly known as Waiheke Vineyards, and was supposed to have been funded with money from Mainzeal.

“The reference to the Waiheke winery related to Mr [Richard] Yan’s project to acquire vineyard interests on Waiheke Island so that it could be developed as a hotel for Chinese Communist Party officials, with cash used from Mainzeal’s accounts to assist the purchase,” Justice Francis Cooke’s judgment says. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… extensive further postings …

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/general_debate_27_february_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2439749 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/links-27-february-2019/#comment-3299746

NEW ZEALAND: THE POOR JUDGEMENT OF JENNY SHIPLEY …
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February 27, 2019 10:28pm
Happychappy

JLR new office logo, obviously done by someone with more nous than him.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12208244 .
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February 28, 2019 4:47pm
Happychappy

Have you got Alzheimer’s Hugh this is the second post from you on this story, but being the vindictive bitter moron that you are we wouldn’t expect anything less.
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