General Debate 26 February 2019

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holysheet

Thought Mrs Holy was kidding when she told me the Monkees guitarist Peter Tork had died.
Then I saw her face.
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February 26, 2019 8:01am
- Longknives
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:04am
- oldgolfer
  
  Very clever.
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  …and now you’re a believer…
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:12am
  - harvey wilson
    
    No , a bereaver
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:27am
skyblue

Um, er. Adern on ZB this am.
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February 26, 2019 8:03am
- oldgolfer
  
  Um, er, Ardern on RNZ this morning.
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:05am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I heard her this morning on RNZ. As usual a mix of some broadly correct statements mixed in with rubbish.
    
    She was correct, you can’t leave person stateless, but you can remove NZ nationality from a person:
    1. Who was born in another country and who has retained the nationality; or
    2. Who has nationality of another country by descent ie one of their parents was born tin another country and that other country grants nationality to the children of citizens when born abroad.
    
    NZ does not make you give up your original citizenship when you acquire NZ citizenship.
    
    So yet again Ardern was a liar, by being poorly informed!
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:23am
    - srylands
      
      IIRC the circumstance where a citizen can lose their citizenship is highly constrained. There are only two circumstances.
      
      1. New Zealand citizenship was obtained by fraud.
      
      2. A New Zealander acquires by a deliberate act, the citizenship of another country and acts manifestly against the interests of New Zealand.
      
      So for example if I bacame an Iranian citizen and killed people in New Zealand, I could be stripped of my New Zealand citizenship and be deported to Iran.
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:00am
      - Tall Man
        
        And then brought back as a “poor refugee”….
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:32am
      - sooty
        
        Karl sorebitich, obtained his by deception/fraud, so export him!
        
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        February 26, 2019 11:00am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Srylands, you could be stripped of your NZ citizenship if you act against the interests of NZ (I’ve cued the govt DIA website), is broad enough for you to comment a crime or act of terror abroad for it to be considered an act against the interests of NZ. Giving the Minister of Internal Affairs the right to strip a person of their citizenship.
        
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        February 26, 2019 11:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Hullkiwi, Ms Ardern may well be a liar, but you cannot be a liar merely by being poorly informed. To lie, requires intention to deceive.
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:04am
      - Tall Man
        
        She definitely has intention to deceive.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:31am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        So we have an ignorant PM.
        Ignorance only becomes stupidity, if you don’t want to learn.
        Don’t believe she is actually inclined to learn anything that does agree with her preconceived notions (ie socialism).
        So …..conclusion…..
        She IS stupid.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:34am
      - cmm
        
        Willful ignorance.
        
        She is surrounded by people who could inform her if she was interested, but she’d rather just keep with her agenda.
        
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        February 26, 2019 10:51am
    - MH
      
      again,her articles have been exposed to all and swandri.
      
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      February 26, 2019 10:28am
    - srylands
      
      … NZ does not make you give up your original citizenship when you acquire NZ citizenship….
      
      No but many countries strip you of your other citizenship if you become a New Zealander. Australia did so until 2003.
      
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      February 26, 2019 1:22pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        How would a nation strip you of your “other citizenship”?
        
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        February 26, 2019 6:40pm
  - howzit
    
    Miss Um and Ah-dern
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:54am
- Longknives
  
  Um no I umm absoludely refwute that……
  (*At least on Radio you can’t see her waving her ginormous creepy hands around like Marcel Marceau on Meth..)
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:06am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Marcel Marceau on Meth’
    Lol
    I’m going to steal that
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:24am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Longknives:
    
    I umm absoludely refwute that
    
    I haven’t listened to this morning’s interview yet. But, as I noted last year, Jacinda likes to trot out the “refute” word:
    
    Today’s word (brought to us by Jacinda) is “refute”. How many times did she say “refute” during the interview? I lost count after about 10 times.
    
    And, as Nigel Kearney noted, Jacinda doesn’t know what “refute” means:
    
    Someone should explain to her that ‘refute’ does not mean the same as ‘deny’.
    
    Not what we’d expect from someone with a *cough* communications degree!
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:46am
    - alex Masterley
      
      I had always understood the word refute to mean “…proving a statement to be wrong or incorrect.”
      To do so one needs to make an argument that rebuts the argument of another.
      To simply say that an argument is “refuted” without saying anything else carries no weight.
      Stupid as…
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:04am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Doesn’t know what words mean. Can’t pronounce them either. Can’t talk in detail about any issue. Couldn’t even spell her child’s name correctly. She’s just not that bright. Essentially a mouth with nothing behind it.
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:09am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nigel:
        
        Essentially a mouth with nothing behind it
        
        That’s not quite right, old chap!
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:16am
      - freethinker
        
        Empty vessels make the most noise.
        
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        February 26, 2019 5:57pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Oxford Dictionary –
      refute:
      verb [with object]
      prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove: these claims have not been convincingly refuted.
      • prove that (someone) is wrong: his voice challenging his audience to rise and refute him.
      • deny or contradict (a statement or accusation): a spokesman totally refuted the allegation of bias.
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:24am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      She doesn’t know how to employ the word “relish” either….and seems to have confused it with “revel in”, when she relied to Simon’s query on Wed 20th Feb.
      
      Hon Simon Bridges: Are my questions asking for deliveries, for targets, and for measures pesky to the Prime Minister?
      
      Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: No, I relish in them.
      
      Interestingly, the MSM report her reply using correct grammar.
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-jacinda-ardern-says-she-relishes-simon-bridges-pesky-queries-over-housing?variant=tb_v_1
      
      (and to the pedant critics:….yes, yes, I know I’m being a nit-picker, but as I don’t have a Communications degree, or even a tertiary unit in English, I haven’t learnt bull-shittery)
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:44am
      - MH
        
        releash the hounds, well at lesh the basset ones
        
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        February 26, 2019 10:32am
  - oldgolfer
    
    It is delightful, though, hearing her and pudgy Robertson squirm as they see the voter base draining away.
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Why the fuck any propertied people would vote for them in the first place is way beyond me .
      
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      February 26, 2019 11:15am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I know, as I warned some before the election: virtue signalling to themselves. They really thought that a CGT would be ‘fair’. One couple even wanted an annual ‘wealth tax’ because they happen to be earning big money and have no concept on how it is to be older and on a very low income from a few assets.
        
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        February 26, 2019 12:22pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Her lack of grasp of detail is alarming. Love him or loathe him, John Key could talk in depth about any policy, whereas Ardern really struggles once she leaves the talking points provided by her staff.
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:11am
  - calendar girl
    
    That great communicator “Stuff” also has little grasp of detail today:
    
    “Bridges has said he would appeal a CGT if elected and warned the tax would “kill off aspiration.”
    
    “repeal”, anyone?
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:17am
    - G152
      
      Fake news strikes again.
      Its just a string of words that some kid typed in between their cut and paste from the net.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:21am
      - hullkiwi
        
        That’s stephie or ztev.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:40am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Chimpanzee?
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:42am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Christ.
      And they are trying to sell it.
      It doesn’t appeal.
      Sorry, repeal.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:52am
    - calendar girl
      
      I’ve now looked back at that Stuff lead story, only to find that it was date-lined 17:45pm yesterday – over 16.5 hours ago. So no correction has been made over all that time (and moreover nothing in the world has been newsworthy enough to replace the piece today as Stuff’s lead story online).
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:25am
    - Positan
      
      In all fairness, I suspect he actually did say “repeal” – his pronunciation being mangled by his appalling Westie articulation.
      
      No one with his experience in the law would have ever substituted “appeal” for “repeal.”
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:42am
      - lifesgood
        
        The point of the comment was how it was reported, not how he said it. He said “repeal”.
        
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        February 26, 2019 10:17am
      - MH
        
        oops below sorry.
        I’m repelling backwards or is that a slippery rope to tautology. Repel the borders.
        
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        February 26, 2019 10:37am
  - Swifty
    
    Next years election leader’s debates will be interesting – if she is hammered on the detail.
    
    That’s if she lasts as leader until then, of course.
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:17am
    - holysheet
      
      Bit like Goofy and Key.
      “Show me the money”
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB7z3AHPAzE
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:27am
      - mara
        
        I know it’s not going to happen but I’d pay good money to see Key and Ardern debate ANY tax issue including the COL’s latest mega brain-fart.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:57am
    - kowtow
      
      With the universal vote , how many are genuinely interested in “detail” other than how much money the gubmint is going to steal off the productive sector and “redistribute” to the non productive.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:31am
    - JibberJabber
      
      She`s in over her head in the worlds shallowest carpark puddle of political talent.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:35am
      - sooty
        
        You will not have the leaders debate at the next election!
        The media will not allow JacinDUH to be put up to public sqitanny. That she will make a bigger fool of herself, will not be allowed to happen!
        They will have a cosy one on one chat with some media lovie. It will be all love and kisses for JacinDUH, with prepared questions.
        Definetly not for the Nat leader!
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:46am
      - marcw
        
        Simon Bridges will be interviewed by the Project Team, and Ardern will be interviewed by Fairfax and Womens Weakly.
        
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        February 26, 2019 12:57pm
    - Than
      
      She will last as leader. There’s no question she has charisma, Labour’s polling is holding up (in defiance of the already apparent negative consequences of their insane policies), and there aren’t any obvious candidates lining up to replace her.
      
      As for being hammered in debates, while I wish that could be true, Bill English had an excellent grasp on details. But Ardern’s one true skill is being able to dance on the head of a pin to avoid answering questions. That allowed her to “win” (or at least not lose) the debates despite being clueless on policy.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:40am
      - sooty
        
        Yes, she will last as long as she is able!
        There is no one else!
        The carpark puddle and all of that!
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:48am
      - Swifty
        
        Agreed but I can see a time when she says she’s had enough (worsening health is a possibility) – irrespective of the people imploring her to stay because there’s no one to replace her (Robertson, Parker, Little, Sepuloni, Wood, Twyford, Hipkins – snigger 🙂 )
        
        I can also see that time being sooner rather than later.
        
        There’s another option too. That once her gloss starts to wear off (I argue it’s already started) there will be some in the cabinet who fancy their chances (Robertson clearly, Twyford, Little (again) and possibly Parker – and not discounting some dark horses, including Coffey, who are deluded enough to fancy their chances) and the knives will be out.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If Labour was Clever….
        They’d replace Jacinda with Kris Faafoi.
        
        and I suspect we’d all sleep easier in our beds at night.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:52am
    - tf78
      
      If she’s still leader – she will have a stand in as she will be unavailable.
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:09am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Will the next leaders debate be preceded by another petition to sack Mike Hoskings?
      
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      February 26, 2019 1:11pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Yes.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:13pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
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    She is your PM because the coward John Key ran away.
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      FFS, how long would you expect him to stay?
      
      He did more for this country in almost 8 years than any labour government in history.
      
      The horse is dead…stop flogging it.
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:28am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        And if he chose to go out on top, then Jacinda would surely wish to emulate
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:14pm
  - Bill felt
    
    John Key did his homework. Cindy does not.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:10am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      John Key was Prime Minister of New Zealand.
      Um-Ah-Dern is here for the photo-shoots and the perks.
      
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      February 26, 2019 1:16pm
secondcumming

Is Marco Rubio sending *Venezula’s Nicolas Maduro* a none to subtle message?

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1099726515292508162

[Caution: contains a number of graphic images]
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February 26, 2019 8:07am
- All_on_Red
  
  Stupid Tweet from Rubio
  It hardly provides an incentive for Maduro to leave.
  If he is to go, he’ll want an ‘Exit Door’. One which he can trust he can use without that happening to him.
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:27am
- Ed Snack
  
  Yes, and like Libya is such a success story. Stupid move by Rubio.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:27am
jv

PM –
“It’s about getting a FAIR GO, and paying your FAIR share”. Yeah right.
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February 26, 2019 8:27am
DigNap15

“An Attack On The New Zealand way of Life”.

“Um er Ardern”.

Some great slogans!
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February 26, 2019 8:29am
- Fletch
  
  “Ditch the bitch”…
  
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  February 26, 2019 7:13pm
Happychappy

It is good to see Bryce Edward’s point out a few facts on Mike William’s, this is the guy that went after John Key by flying to Australia With a Labour MP whilst President of the Labour Part to try and dig dirt on the then Leader of NZ National Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12206865
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February 26, 2019 8:30am
- dubya
  
  I’m trying to imagine the morbidly obese Mike Williams on a Lime scooter now!
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:36am
  - sooty
    
    I can just imagine.
    Mike Williams. With a Lime scooter stuck between his butt checks!
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:51am
  - lifesgood
    
    I reckon he’s got a few dozen party hacks hiding in his eye bags.
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:20am
- Tall Man
  
  Now that must be fake news..
  
  labour would never have a lobbyist in their ranks…ever…
  
  Would they?
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  Very interesting. Williams is a very regular guest on RNZ afternoon panel , the voice of the progressive left , of the little people …….and yet behind the scenes in the pocket of the massive , international corporations who don’t pay tax , bwahahahaha.
  
  I see the ODT has come out strongly for these dreadful pavement lice.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/setback-transport-innovation
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:39am
stigie

What a pathetic soft interview by Garner this morning to the PM, in complete contrast to the morning before with Bridges.
It’s there for all to see with Mark Richardson cringing away thinking where are the hard questions rather than agreeing with everything she said..?
Bloody cringeworthy by Garner really !~
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February 26, 2019 8:35am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Garner is a Labour list candidate.
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:45am
- niggly
  
  There was another “pathetic soft interview” by Susie Ferguson on Morning Report, she asked Jacinda about the Reid research poll that had 53% against the CGT, so Jacinda deflected by instead answering by quoting another poll (Colmar Brunton) that was more evenly split (note that CB polled people before the CGT announcement last week i.e. before any details were released and anyone understood the implications).
  
  For the whole interview Susie just let her speak without any interruptions.
  
  Oh how nice for NZ’s most out-of-her depth PM, just lovely isn’t it!
  
  (Colmar Brunton reference):
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-zealanders-divided-over-possible-capital-gains-tax-but-majority-could-swayed-poll-finds?variant=tb_v_1
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:48am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Colmar Brunton have form for providing survey results with the response the client wants.
    
    Last year, Colmar Brunton provided survey results showing Aucklanders favored a fuel tax. However, when the Council asked the same question twice to Aucklanders they got a different answer. This is despite advocates of the fuel tax trying to rig the poll.
    
    Now we get Colmar Brunton coming out with a poll that favours a fuel tax, quelle surprise!
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      Is iris still working there?
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:25am
      - Inandout
        
        TM, that says a lot in my book. How the hell can an extreme leftist be employed by this company?
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:34am
  - tf78
    
    Did you see “The Project” Jesse Mugagain interviewed Cindy and some stupid woman interviewd Simon Bridges. Cindy was asked what was her highlight for 2018 “Neve” of course and what what your low light “Oh, The Politics” FFFS.
    
    Simon was told his opinions on CGT were looking out for the rich pricks of course and did he think that was fair. Also the woman laughed and said someone earning $50k could never afford a house scoff, scoff, scoff.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:16am
- auckwood
  
  I just watched yesterdays interview with Bridges, was disappointed with the style of questioning/talking over him while he’s trying to answer a question, and ignoring his obvious answer to asking the same question over and over… cant wait to watch todays puff piece with the SLG to compare the similarities (if any) to how bridges was interviewed!
  
  BTW – hows Sroubrek doin? Any updates anyone?
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:04am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The Sroubek affair has been hidden this week by the CGT squirrel.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:33am
  - Inandout
    
    auckwood, I didn’t watch him being interviewed, but I would have thought to myself ‘why is he so bloody soft’? We need mongrel when dealing with TV bods.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:38am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      they will have considered it, and likely decided that it is more likely to be off-putting than attractive to centre voters.
      
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      February 26, 2019 10:18am
    - auckwood
      
      Inandout – I think he’s been reading the comments, he was pretty sharp and firm in his responses, Garner was embarrassing trying to create some ‘Gotcha’ soundbyte of Bridges saying something out of context, which was shut down pretty smartly.
      
      Compared to this mornings complete opposite head up SLG’s ass trying to encourage her to take/giv her credit for AirNZ lowered regional fares or some rubbish
      
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      February 26, 2019 10:19am
- Lizziep
  
  He is a pathetic waste of space. I cannot stand (or sit to see these left wing suck ups. How Mark Richardson is able to sit there with the other two leftist creeps is beyond me.
  
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  February 26, 2019 11:46am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    An admitted capitalist, good on him, I assume he is there to give the appearance of balance, it still isn’t though, I mean really do we need three people?
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder why Labour have been so keen to release the Tax report early in the election cycle?
It’s turning out to be a dog for them.
Jacinda is going to backtrack on many of the TWG’s recommendations…. How fair will that be?
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February 26, 2019 8:36am
- Tall Man
  
  Think what they are trying to push into the dark.
  
  Sroubek….kiwibuild etc….
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:39am
  - sooty
    
    Phail Twitford, Fool Gallopaway, Meka the thug Custard Clare, the wood’n sex camp, that puddle is shallow!
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:55am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Jacinda Ardern on 12 March 2018:
      
      Media: Prime Minister, are you aware of allegations of sexual misconduct and excessive drinking at a youth Labour summer camp at Waihī in February that you attended?
      Jacinda: I went to the opening of that summer camp. It was some—I attended at the very beginning. People had just arrived. So certainly none of that was apparent when I was there. This is the first I’ve heard of any such allegations, but, now that you’ve made them, I will happily investigate, because that is not the behaviour that I would expect of any Labour function.
      Media: What will happen if this is proven to be true—that you find out that it’s true?
      PM: Well, given that I’ve just heard it now, I’d just ask for the time for me to go and look into that personally.
      
      The sexual misconduct aspect is before the courts. But whatever happened to Jacinda’s promise to investigate the “excessive drinking” aspect – “personally” – no less?
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:02am
      - stigie
        
        That working group has not reported back yet Nostra….due 2021 !~
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:16am
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry stigie, they ran out of booze so have taken a break until the tanks get topped up.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The trial date for the alleged offender is Monday March 18th.
        Might be some interesting questions that week in Parliament.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:59am
- peterwn
  
  The intention is to have the legislation in place before next election to take effect after the next election. Labour would have promised it earlier but did not wish to have to campaign on it last election. The report could not be released any later since it would take at least to the end of 2019 to draft and present the Bill much of 2020 for debates, Select Committee hearings etc. This timeframe is pushing it right uphill to say the least let alone all the other chunks legislation Labour wants to push through. The chances of Labour achieving that timeframe seem small.
  Labour presumably could have kept the report ‘under wraps’ and started having the Bill prepared, but word would soon leak out if they tried that.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:22am
Huevon

When asked on Radio NZ this morning whether there are any ISIS brides with NZ citizenship, Ardern couldn’t give a straight answer. Which means there are ISIS brides, quite possibly with children, that will try to come back to NZ now that the caliphate is destroyed.

She did emphasize that NZ law doesn’t allow her to cancel a passport. So this is another major issue about to blow up in her face (appropriate metaphor). Read it here first.
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February 26, 2019 8:36am
- Tall Man
  
  She’s wrong about that.
  
  Is that a lie or just stupidity…
  
  Maybe an intern from labour could answer that…too early for them maybe?
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:42am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, I noted that above. She is also wrong about a passport. You can lose a passport if you breach any conditions upon which it is granted. Which will cover travelling to a foreign country to participate in or support a terrorist or criminal activity.
    
    The SLG is so stupid, she doesn’t even seem to realise that she is telling porkies and that some of us are able to see straight through them!
    
    Ardern is a liar and she is bad at it!
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:05am
    - SGA
      
      A little confused here. Are we talking about losing your passport or having your citizenship revoked? I assume they aren’t the same thing – you can be refused a passport without losing your citizenship?
      
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      February 26, 2019 10:24am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Blame Cindy, she confused herself on RNZ & doesn’t get pulled up for it.
        
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        February 26, 2019 1:59pm
- MCos
  
  She said we cannot remove citizenship from dual citizens in the way Australia & the UK has done.
  So there’s nothing to stop a Kiwi that wants to returning here. Nothing to stop them being arrested and brought before a court either.
  To my mind that’s the way it should be otherwise what’s to stop a government refusing reentry into the country to anyone because they don’t like the cut of their jib if they qualify for citizenship elsewhere.
  With regard to ISIS people returning to the UK. I understand a number already have, but the public has latched on to Shamina Begum probably because of the unapologetic TV interview.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:12am
  - SGA
    
    With regard to ISIS people returning to the UK. I understand a number already have, but the public has latched on to Shamina Begum probably because of the unapologetic TV interview.
    
    As I understand it, if someone was born a UK citizen and has no other citizenship, then they can’t stop them returning to the UK. I imagine the same is the case here.
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:30am
  - SGA
    
    She said we cannot remove citizenship from dual citizens in the way Australia & the UK has done.
    
    https://www.govt.nz/browse/passports-citizenship-and-identity/nz-citizenship/changing-your-citizenship-status/being-stripped-of-nz-citizenship/
    
    In rare circumstances, the Minister of Internal Affairs can take someone’s New Zealand citizenship off them. They will no longer be able to use an NZ passport and may not be allowed to live here.
    
    It depends on how you gained your NZ citizenship.
    
    If you’re a citizen by grant
    The Minister can deprive you of your NZ citizenship if you were granted your citizenship because of fraud, false representation, information you deliberately concealed when you applied for citizenship,a mistake, or you got citizenship of another country and acted against the interests of NZ.
    
    If you’re a citizen by descent
    Your citizenship can be taken off you if you were registered as a citizen by descent because of fraud, false representation, information you deliberately concealed when you applied for citizenship, or an administration error.
    
    If you’re a citizen by birth
    The Minister can deprive you of your NZ citizenship if you got citizenship of another country, and acted against the interests of NZ.
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:34am
    - MCos
      
      In the case of Begum she didn’t get citizenship of Bangladesh. In fact she neither wants it nor do they want her, which is understandable.
      So a Kiwi in her position could not be stripped of her citizenship.
      
      I wonder what ‘acting against the interests of NZ’ means? Bad mouthing the country on Twitter and causing an economic downturn? Taking up arms against NZ troops in some distant land? Scoring a winning try for England against the ABs in the RWC final? Banning GE? Unbanning GE?
      
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      February 26, 2019 12:05pm
      - SGA
        
        I wonder what ‘acting against the interests of NZ’ means?
        
        I wondered about that myself. My guess is that it is left deliberately undefined because it would difficult to be too specific. Ulitmately a job for the courts on a case by case basis – probably the most sensible way of doing it.
        
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        February 26, 2019 12:53pm
      - MCos
        
        My reading is it’s up to the Minister.
        
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        February 26, 2019 1:32pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        MCos,you missed one important point. Her mother is Bangladeshi, making her children Bangladeshi. So, because Begum is/was a dual national (without seemingly being aware of it), the UK were able to strip her of her UK citizenship without rendering her stateless. This opinion has been upheld by Lord Carlisle, a leading UK law lord on terrorism and the law.
        
        Carlisle has advised both Labour and Tory govts on terrorism and the law for the past 20 years.
        
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        February 26, 2019 2:09pm
      - SGA
        
        MCos
        
        My reading is it’s up to the Minister.
        
        I said “ultimately a job for the courts” because I would imagine such cases would probably end up there?
        
        From the website I quoted above –
        
        If you think there isn’t a good enough reason to take your citizenship away, you can apply to the High Court for a hearing within 28 days of receiving your Notice. A judge will make a decision on your behalf.
        
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        February 26, 2019 4:04pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Of course we have ISIS brides or refugees in the pipeline. She should be asked about that in question-time. It’s a matter of National interest.
  Having said that my sympathies lie with the girls and the knowledge of the alarming capacity of the human brain to compartmentalise. What’s the plan for the welfare of the individuals and community.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:49am
- MH
  
  all will become clear when Eyesil First Date goes to TV in April 1. Apparently quite explosive and in conjunction or should that be intersectionality with Eyesore Bachelorhood where heads WILL roll.
  
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  February 26, 2019 12:22pm
hullkiwi

Good news on Red Radio this morning.

NZTA are dragging their feet on SkyPath and are playing a long game. In that they seem to be betting on a change of govt next year and hope they will not have to build SkyPath. Good riddance to an expensive white elephant.

It seems although the govt have agreed in principle to build it on a public asset, the group (a trust) who have campaigned for it want $1mill for the intellectual property for their design. This money is to pay an assortment of consultants including KPMG, an engineering consultancy, a town planning consultancy and Infratils owners who were trying to set it up as a PFI.

Bevan Woodward, if you get any money out of the taxpayer for this scam, pay it to Auckland Transport to repay the money they wasted on your Kowhai Connector Bus service.
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February 26, 2019 8:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  SkyPath is a dog.
  The gradient is about 10%. Imagine the high speed downhill cyclists mixing it up with pedestrians (and uphill cyclists).
  When the common sense spotlight is shone on it that will be the end of the stupid idea.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:04am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, I agree.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:07am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Add a few out-of-control E-scooters to that downhill gradient, slamming into pedestrians.
    
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    February 26, 2019 1:12pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Lime scooters would love it.
    
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    February 26, 2019 3:02pm
- alex Masterley
  
  mmmm, the price has gone from $30 million to $67 million.
  another white elephant in the making
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:09am
  - tf78
    
    They should put the money into a second harbour crossing, idiots.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:37am
- Evadne
  
  It was always impractical and unlikely. Yet they’ve already spent millions tearing up Northcote Point and approaches to put in a cycle lane for ghost cyclists to the non-existent white elephant dead-end.
  
  If, by some bizarre quirk of fate the sky path is actually built, it’ll be do many years down the track the North vote Point cycleway will be so old it’ll need redoing.
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:04pm
Maggie Pie

I rember back in the 90s going to a friends 18th birthday and her parents gave her a new VW golf. We decided to see how many of us girls could squeeze in and ended up getting 14 of us.
These guys probaly hold the record now 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_4XIKBTYNA
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February 26, 2019 8:39am
- srylands
  
  A colleague recently gave her daughter a brand new BMW for her 18th birthday. What a way to establish entitilitis.
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:47am
  - kevn
    
    @srylands… I hope the BMW was ‘electric’ and so make for complete virtue signalling. Top fakebook rating etc etc
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:41am
  - david
    
    Who could expect logic or commonsense from a lawyer?
    
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    February 26, 2019 2:46pm
Lee C

Maggie: “I wonder why Labour have been so keen to release the Tax report early in the election cycle?”
My view to ‘change the conversation’ – – to shit-can the Shroubek fiasco,…
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February 26, 2019 8:50am
- sooty
  
  All the rest of the ballsups and wankers.
  As well as wnkeresses!
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:08am
  - MCos
    
    I was going to buy my granddaughter a block of flats for her 2nd birthday, but the CGT put me off so I bought her some clothes from the Family Store instead.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:17am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Very equitable, I bet you are sorry that you didn’t get a good education and job so that you could buy her better, or are you just tight?
      
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      February 26, 2019 3:05pm
secondcumming

From the *Famous Quotes* site…..

“Name another white man who’s put more bones in a black girls mouth……I’ll wait.”
[Col. Sanders. 1890 – 1980. Founder KFC]
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February 26, 2019 9:00am
Debbie

Starting to think that this Labour/Greens coalition is worse than communism.

After all, in communist regimes, ALL people are required to work and share equally.

But in our country, we penalize the workers to pay for the idle.

We’re fucked.
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February 26, 2019 9:01am
- sooty
  
  Maube the bennies are in for a shock!
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:09am
- Lance
  
  Interesting point.
  I spent a while as a volunteer on a Kibbutz many moons ago, it was meant to be true communism in action.
  The primary rule was you had to do your work, almost NO exceptions (we used to joke that if you stood on a landmine and your leg was pushed 1/2 way up your arse, the nurse that had to sign you off as unfit for work would find an alternate duty).
  Failure to comply was instant removal from the Kibbutz.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:34am
  - Colinxy
    
    Apparently, Bernie Sanders got the boot from a kibbutz because he only liked to talk. Seems fitting for a Left Wing politician (all talk, no walk).
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:54am
- Evadne
  
  The left hate Gloriavale with a passion yet you’d think they’d admire it: true communism in action, with all goods held in kind, everyone contributing according to their ability, jobs assigned by the hierarchy, near equality of outcome for all.
  
  Plus it’s all self- sufficient and “sustainable”. And no capitalism or 1%ers.
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:11pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    If Gloriavale was without the religion the left would be all over it and claiming it as an example.
    
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    February 26, 2019 6:40pm
Yvette

From Tax Working Group – Final Report
The Living Standards Framework
The Living Standards Framework identifies four capital stocks that are crucial to wellbeing: financial and physical capital, human capital, social capital and natural capital. Wellbeing depends on the sustainable development and distribution of the four capitals, which together represent the comprehensive wealth of New Zealand …

Te Ao Māori perspectives on wellbeing and living standards
He Ara Waiora draws on four tikanga principles: manaakitanga (care and respect); kaitiakitanga (stewardship/guardianship); whanaungatanga (the relationships/connections between us); and ōhanga/whairama (prosperity). These principles support the preservation and sustainable development of the four capitals of the Living Standards Framework.
 
Then –
“I grew up in Morrinsville. I grew up in a rural community. I certainly hear and know some of the discussion that is being had in that quarter.
I have in my mind a range of experiences, a range of views that I will – as will all of us in Government – be weighing up when we determine which option that we adopt and where we form consensus.” – Ardern

Cullen is bull-shitting us. Or Ardern is.
Or both are
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February 26, 2019 9:07am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Both.
  It’s their default setting.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:31am
- Yvette
  
  Winston Peters, is on record as a strong opponent of a CGT. He has said it doesn’t work in other countries and won’t work here.
  
  In recent days, some of his MPs have been saying the same thing privately. Mr Peters doesn’t swallow dead rats. There’s no way he’s going to change his mind to the extent necessary for the government to get this through in the form presented by the Tax Working Group.
  
  He’s in for a tough time, because Mr Peters will play this for all it’s worth. He’ll want concessions, and his demands will be focused on NZ First’s voter base in the regions and among older people.
  
  He’ll almost certainly insist that farmers are exempt, and perhaps small businesses as well.
  
  Then, oddly enough –
  “I grew up in Morrinsville. I grew up in a rural community. I certainly hear and know some of the discussion that is being had in that quarter.
  “All of my first jobs were predominantly with small business owners and I was a small business spokesperson in Opposition so I hear that too.
  “I have in my mind a range of experiences, a range of views that I will – as will all of us in Government – be weighing up when we determine which option that we adopt and where we form consensus.” – Ardern
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:58am
  - stigie
    
    Does this mean then that the concession is Labour/Greens to throw their candidates under the bus for Jones to take Northland..?
    Watch this rort take place !~
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:12am
DigNap15

Good, its Nine O’clock now.
Time to change from Newstalk ZB to Magic Radio!
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February 26, 2019 9:12am
- MCos
  
  What an exciting life you lead.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:19am
  - DigNap15
    
    So what are you doing now?
    Tell us whats happening in Mcos world now?
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:22am
    - kowtow
      
      The delay in his answer is to allow him to get his hands off his dick.
      
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      February 26, 2019 1:17pm
  - Lance
    
    Some people can actually listen to a radio AND work. If you try hard enough MCos, maybe you can do it as well?
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:36am
    - peterwn
      
      My dentist can. Not sure which is worse – having to listen to the drivel on the radio or enduring the root canal he was doing.
      
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      February 26, 2019 2:30pm
- Inandout
  
  It is automatic now for me to change to Williams at 9am.
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:05am
  - greybeard
    
    It is a bit of a puzzle how to fill in that hour between Plunkett and Williams.
    I have been taking the dog for an extra walk.
    
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    February 26, 2019 12:00pm
    - greybeard
      
      Larry Williams, that is.
      
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      February 26, 2019 12:09pm
RF

Had to laugh at lying Ardern this morning when questioned by Mike Hosking. Plenty of umm ers and she had to be corrected when asked to define what is a farm. Facts girl.. facts.

I figure with all the heat now being piled on the former Fish Shop CEO it will be time to bring out Squirrel for another photo shoot. Time to divert…
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February 26, 2019 9:14am
- Rich Prick
  
  I can’t listen to her. Is it possible to get a communications degree with a D average?
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:37am
  - sooty
    
    She did. So you must be able!
    I presume she did not pull the coloured aspect!
    
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    February 26, 2019 11:18am
- Rachael Membery
  
  All of the heat? I am sure Simon thinks that she is being given pass.
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIA …

There are more properties on the market now than at any time since 2012 — and no-one’s buying – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-25/most-properties-on-market-since-2012-but-where-are-the-buyers/10838172

New data shows that there are more properties on the market now than at any time since 2012.

But the tightening of credit rules and pessimism about the future mean buyers are scarce and sellers are being forced to be patient or offer heavy discounts — and sometimes both.

According to CoreLogic research, there are 115,000 houses currently listed across the country, 15 per cent higher than this time last year. … read more via hyperlink above …
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5-City property values plunge 9%, smashing records – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/5-city-property-values-plunge-9-smashing-records/

By Leith van Onselen

CoreLogic’s daily house price index for 25 February, released yesterday, revealed that dwelling value losses across Australia’s five biggest capital city markets have punched through 9%:

As shown above, the current downturn is the worst in nearly 40 years of data, according to CoreLogic. …

… concluding …

…With mortgage credit likely to remain tight, the epic interest-only mortgage reset, the flood of high-rise apartments hitting the market alongside concerns around build quality, the ongoing softening in Chinese demand, and finally Labor’s negative gearing and capital gains tax policy, Australian dwelling values will continue to fall.
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Design flaws found on brand new cracked luxury tower in Sydney – News – GCR

http://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/design-flaws-found-brand-new-cracked-luxury-tower-/
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February 26, 2019 9:21am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NEW ZEALAND: 1 NEWS poll: Public faith fades in Government’s 100,000 KiwiBuild target | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/1-news-poll-public-faith-fades-in-governments-100-000-kiwibuild-target?variant=tb_v_1
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  .
  The KiwiBuild failure should galvanise urgent action on NZ’s housing disaster … EDITORIAL … The Listener
  
  https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/kiwibuild-failure-galvanise-action-nz-housing-disaster/
  
  When a nation’s flagship housing policy is such a spectacular failure that it makes the New York Times, the minister in charge cannot avoid the international embarrassment. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  … further information … recently updated …
  
  Performance Urban Planning
  
  http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  kiwiblog. The hint is in the name. Endless repasting of Australian property links is tedious and off point.
  
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  February 26, 2019 2:01pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

What a surprise a movie about a gay black man won best picture at the Oscars. The double, how could they resist?

And what a surprise the “black” director used the opportunity to make a political statement.

Sexism, racism, and politics used as criterias. Forget about the actual art.

Don’t you just love it when the politically correct extreme left wing try to take over the arts?

I say try, as all it does is make people disrespect the Oscars.
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February 26, 2019 9:24am
- Longknives
  
  Not to mention the Best Actress award to Olivia Coleman for ‘The Favourite’.
  If that wasn’t a lesbian love story there is no way in hell she would have won an Oscar….
  *Queen Anne wasn’t a lesbian by the way- Seems the ‘Rainbow’ crowd have hijacked history now as well….
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:36am
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    Not to mention best actor.
    
    Seems to be a pattern forming, lol.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:54am
- MCos
  
  The movie the won the best picture was not about a gay black man.
  The pianist in the movie wasn’t gay.
  The best director was Mexican Alfonso Cuarón for Roma.
  I presume you’re referring to Spike Lee who won best adapted screenplay for some other movie.
  He was the guy that made the political speech and why not?
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:37am
Maggie Pie

When my partner read this in the Herald yesterday, he wondered “if the country was actually being goverened by a cabal of metal defectives?”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1099896821852311553
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February 26, 2019 9:25am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I wonder if the anxiety and depression appeared about the time she discovered the dope she wants to legalise.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:36am
  - Longknives
    
    Swarbrick jumps on every bandwagon there is.
    She also claimed to be Gay about the time of the Pride Parade controversy…
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:44am
    - chiz
      
      Swarbrick never claimed that she was gay.
      
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      February 26, 2019 12:49pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Bi.
        
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        February 26, 2019 3:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        Green and Red, too.
        
        Does that make Chloe quad?
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:02pm
- JibberJabber
  
  They`re most certainly exhibiting stress fractures ?
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:31am
gump

Whaleoil has declared bankruptcy.
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February 26, 2019 9:25am
- holysheet
  
  No sympathy from me.
  I feel sorry for those who he defamed and who will not now be able to get their court costs from the slimy shit.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:32am
  - Jack5
    
    Rough days for Cameron Slater. Still not old, partly paralysed, broke, with a history of depression.
    
    A quote for Cameron from Victor Hugo :
    
    Even the darkest night will end and the sun will rise.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:39am
    - mara
      
      WO’s moderators permanently banned so many contributors I reckon his blog suffered financially. Perhaps if all those were unblocked he would get more subs and sell more meat. I’d go back.
      
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      February 26, 2019 1:31pm
  - howitis
    
    Slater has been a complete arsehole of a bloke clearly from the time he entered the public arena 10 or so years ago.
    
    He has had a pay-for-play and published stories about people that are patently incorrect – for a piece or two of silver.
    He has deliberately set out to destroy lives (even people who have not crossed his path) and this had led to many court cases including the nasty vermin Jeanne Denham that tried to destroy her husband with lies when she could not get her preferred settlement in a divorce.
    Slater and the scumbag Carrick Graham, son of Doug Graham, the convicted Director from Lombard, were behind all this.
    
    Slater mixes with the worst.
    Note that when Denham was court ordered to pay $145 k to her ex husband she declared bankrupt.
    Not a new trick.
    
    It would appear the lives that intersect with Slater are not better for it: Judith Collins, a few of his former unpaid moderators; the semi-Arab wife he has cheated on; question mark on Jami Lee Ross; many more like Ben Rachinger et al.
    
    One can have sympathy for people whose lives are adversely affected by the chemicals that build up in their own body to conspire against them.
    Sometimes people try to fight back while it remains a battle.
    Slater just took the lazy path of lashing out at people and using quotes like:-
    “I play politics like Fijians play rugby. My role is smashing your face into the ground.”
    “if you want sympathy look in the dictionary between shit and syphilis”. Not an original.
    
    Slater can look in the dictionary for all I care.
    He is the author of his own misfortune and will continue with malice and deceit as long as he is able.
    The fable of: The Scorpion and the Frog.
    
    Let’s get all biblical now.
    You reap what you sow.
    Slater has sown a lot of shit.
    
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    February 26, 2019 11:25am
    - Dave Mann
      
      So you’re not fan then….? ?
      
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      February 26, 2019 2:34pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      The fat slobbering twat can die a slow, painful and lingering death, hopefully in penury, as far as I’m concerned.
      
      The cunt defamed me and some friends (and caused irreparable harm to my marriage) when he published a photo of us with a caption saying we were headed to a brothel.
      
      He can take that fucker Jonathan Marshall with him too.
      
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      February 26, 2019 5:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner was wonderig if this means an end to all the legal procedings that WO has been facing? Surely that can only be a good thing healthwise.
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:55am
  - Inandout
    
    Cam’s medical condition is a terrible thing and I would not wish it on anyone. I have seen (mostly males) hobbling around on walkers, whereas at one time they were fit and able. He needs complete rest and bankruptcy is the only way.
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:17am
  - peterwn
    
    Control of the legal proceedings would go to the Official Assignee. If Cam had initiated proceedings, the OA would review them and decide whether to continue them or not depending on the likelihood of success and any money they could bring into the bankrupt estate. OA is unlikely to continue any defamation proceedings initiated by the bankrupt. The OA would endeavour to settle any lawsuit faced by the bankrupt as expediently as possible but has the advantage that the OA on behalf of the bankrupt may not be worth suing.
    Possibly OA may settle with Matthew Bloomfield for $5k or so but Matthew may not see the money nor his costs. The three health professionals may well drop their suits and get on with life, or accept token damages from the OA.
    So bankruptcy may let a person off the hook with respect to such lawsuits but at the cost of reputational damage and stigma that goes with it. The some of the bankrupt’s usual rights and freedoms are also affected eg ability to travel overseas (should the potential bankrupt go overseas before being declared bankrupt, but it may not be practicable in this case) not being able to be a company director, having to advise people of bankruptcy when seeking loans, opening charge accounts etc.
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:37am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Thank you sooo much for that peter. Me and my partners biggest concern is if we’ll still get our meat packs?
      
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      February 26, 2019 10:58am
      - peterwn
        
        Interesting point. Things depend on who owns what with Whaleoil including whether the ‘Whaleoll’ brand is protectable and who owns ts IP. If Cam owns (or in some cases recently owned) such property the OA could claim it and put it on the market. He may own it together with SB. He could offer to buy it back from the OA or the OA could put it up for tender or auction. SB and others could re-brand the site, including re-branding the meat packs etc.
        So it all depends.
        
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        February 26, 2019 2:11pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        Depends who is doing the supplying.
        If it is CS personally then bye bye meat packs.
        If it is through a company then it depends if CS is a shareholder or not. If he owns shares then they fall into the control of the Official Assignee. If they have value then subject to the companies constitution the OA can sell them.
        From a casual inspection of the companies register CS has no existing directorships and only minor shareholdings in the companies he is or was associated with.
        
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        February 26, 2019 2:46pm
    - Donkey Deep
      
      Slater is the defendant in all cases, not the applicant, so your post above is moot.
      
      No doubt the applicants will be claiming victory but will be privately apoplectic. I’d hate to think how much money they’ve wasted on a fools errand, only to be sunk by the effects of their own malice in perusing Slater as they have.
      
      Good luck to the silly bugger, and I hope now he can enjoy some peace at last.
      
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      February 26, 2019 11:23am
      - Donkey Deep
        
        To add to my above comment, that retard Colin Craig is still considering whether he appeals his award of zero damages having already wasted the thick end of $1 million on suing Slater.
        
        A fools errand indeed.
        
        Is there really much reputational damage if the reason for bankruptcy is a medical event? That is not a foreseeable occurrence that could have been mitigated.
        
        It think it is tragic, in general terms, that a self employed person has a medical event that ends their ability to make a living and pay the bills. Yes, their income may be insured, but that only last so long.
        
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        February 26, 2019 11:54am
    - Inandout
      
      Peter, if a debtor dodges service the proceedings may drag on for years, though in Cam’s case that would not be an issue.
      
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      February 26, 2019 12:02pm
  - G152
    
    Smacks of an attempt at evasion to me.
    Just lost a case and there are others in the offing
    
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    February 26, 2019 1:16pm
    - Donkey Deep
      
      The decision against Slater in the Colin Craig trial was a total contradiction of the decision in the Jordan Williams v Colin Craig trial over the same matter, and I think would have been worth fighting.
      
      There were no damages or costs awarded against Slater in that case because the Judge said Craig had no reputation to start with.
      
      So what is Slater “evading”?
      
      The case which Fisher commented on a week or so ago never
      
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      February 26, 2019 1:58pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘You can apply to the Court for a discharge at any time during your bankruptcy. The Court will decide whether to discharge you or not, and whether to add any conditions eg that you can’t be in business for a period of time. Because this is a legal process, you should get expert advice before applying’.
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:09am
holysheet

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February 26, 2019 9:31am
big bruv

Does anybody know the reason that Hooton is no longer on RNZ’s Monday morning nine till noon politics slot?
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February 26, 2019 9:36am
- Nick R
  
  I think it’s because he’s based in the UK now.
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:11am
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February 26, 2019 9:36am
Happychappy

Why is the media not holding Winston First to account on this as it is NZ First stopping Camera’s being compulsory.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/383378/cameras-would-have-picked-up-latest-fisheries-abuse-fisheries-minister-stuart-nash.
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February 26, 2019 9:50am
- sooty
  
  Because Whiney said shut up!
  JacinDUH the liar called in favours!
  
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  February 26, 2019 11:12am
Manolo

Mr Peters, the maker of NZ foreign policy, is concerned:
https://news.yahoo.com/venezuelas-guaido-meets-foreign-allies-anti-maduro-strategy-085421096.html

United States Vice President Mike Pence told Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido that Donald Trump supports him “100 percent” as the pair met regional allies on Monday to thrash out a strategy to remove Nicolas Maduro from power after the failed attempt to ship in humanitarian aid.

The meeting comes after four people were killed and hundreds injured as Guaido supporters clashed with Venezuelan security forces on the borders with Colombia and Brazil over the weekend.
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February 26, 2019 10:03am
- MCos
  
  Personally I think the America people should think twice about letting their leaders become involved in regime change in Venezuela.
  This Guiado guy is likely to wind up beholden to outside influences.
  Let’s see what happens in North Korea next when President Trump doesn’t get his way.
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:48am
Tauhei Notts

I understand that Stephieboy has been banned from this site.
Who did that? I want to shout that person dinner at a fine dining establishment.
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February 26, 2019 10:08am
- Swifty
  
  He did it to himself, with DPF showing him the way out.
  
  Only for a couple of months though.
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s on a 2 month suspension.
  I reported him for asking when I last changed my underwear.
  I don’t know if anyone else reported him also.
  
  It was the 3rd time he had posted a request about my underwear.
  
  Anyway, I’m not one to pass up dinner at a fine dining establishment…..
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:18am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Fush and Chups at Cindys` place?
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      How the hell do you get decent fish at Morrinsville?
      
      It’s miles from the coast.
      
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      February 26, 2019 10:33am
      - secondcumming
        
        Clarke will know 😎
        
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        February 26, 2019 11:02am
      - howitis
        
        It is about an hour to either East or West coast, maybe hour and a quarter max.
        https://www.google.com/search?q=distance+morrinsvile+to+raglan&oq=distance+morrinsvile+to+raglan&aqs=chrome..69i57.7841j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
        
        Delivery of fish by E.V.
        Nah, just kidding.
        Delivery by (dirty) Diesel truck 🙂
        
        Those comments were pretty bad from SB and highly inappropriate in any circumstances.
        
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        February 26, 2019 11:02am
      - KevOB
        
        Trout from the Waikato.
        
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        February 26, 2019 12:44pm
  - sooty
    
    I’m suffering here, I can’t downtick stoopid boys posts anymore! Never mind I can still down tick Hughies! Nasty Mike seems to have gone?
    
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    February 26, 2019 11:27am
    - MH
      
      just scroll up to the Tree deficit counter and pretend it’s SB. When ya banned can you still look?
      
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      February 26, 2019 11:34am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Hard to beat Captain Morgan’s
    
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    February 26, 2019 1:32pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Aha…
      Yep, we’re regulars there….(we’re the ones not wearing redbands)
      but I swear by the London St F&C …. (haha… not territory most folk like to venture into) and Real Fresh down at the Wharf.
      
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      February 26, 2019 1:59pm
  - calendar girl
    
    SB’s ban for a couple of months is another sad episode in his pathetic stalking of Maggy W. that has gone on for several years. He deserves every day of his latest absence from KB.
    
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    February 26, 2019 5:55pm
- waikatogirl
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:56am
Viking2

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12207250

Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater has declared himself bankrupt.

Slater suffered two strokes in October which left him partially paralysed on his right side and unable to concentrate and with speech and vision impairments.

The right-wing blogger issued an update on his health on his blog saying ongoing medical tests showed he remains severely “incapacitated”.

The blog post states that due to his health issues he is unable to work and subsequently had made the “very difficult” decision to declare bankruptcy due to being unable to generate revenue to fund defamation actions against him.
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February 26, 2019 10:21am
- wreck1080
  
  Despite my opinion of Slater, I do hope he recovers as much as is possible.
  
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  February 26, 2019 11:56am
- KevOB
  
  I wish him well. Cam has done some good when not off on a wild tangent.
  
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  February 26, 2019 12:47pm
Chuck Bird

National, is in a difficult time in the election cycle as any opposition party would be.

They get criticized for meaning negative about the government’s policies but not offering any of their own. This is true but the only sensible thing for them is to wait till much closer to the election.

Hopefully National will go strong on law and order.

National should not panic in the meantime as long as they stay over 40%.
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February 26, 2019 10:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Cindy was looking and sounding frazzled this morning. Will it be today’s QT when the big meltdown happens?
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Parliament is on holiday this week.
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-involved/features/sitting-calendar-confirmed-for-2019/
    
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    February 26, 2019 10:49am
    - mandk
      
      Crikey, the pollies have only been back for a couple of weeks!
      
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      February 26, 2019 10:59am
      - DigNap15
        
        TVNZ has only been back for one week!
        
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        February 26, 2019 11:42am
      - lifesgood
        
        It’s like being a school teacher.
        
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        February 26, 2019 3:11pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      On holiday! Parliament opening for 2019 was only on 12 February. Ye gads, only in Wellington. ?
      
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      February 26, 2019 11:01am
    - Pascal
      
      How are they on holiday again? Didn’t they just get back to work a week or two ago?
      
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      February 26, 2019 11:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Ok, I exaggerate…..
        
        The House is not sitting this week….back on March 5th.
        Of course our MPs are diligently going about all their other work… like answering written questions and ordering pies for Lunch (I gather the new Caterer is really good… and their pies are excellent).
        
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        February 26, 2019 11:37am
      - waikatogirl
        
        That is a perfect example of why politicians such as Cindy, Grant and co do not understand small business. Owners are barely able to spare a couple of weeks off over Christmas, if they even get that. SME shutting down business for 6 weeks and then taking a break a few weeks later would mean the end of your dream of working for yourself and your family’s future cause you’d soon go broke.
        
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        February 26, 2019 12:21pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  This is true. Opposition parties generally gain support during a campaign.
  
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  February 26, 2019 11:08am
- Awww C-mon
  
  They don’t need to go hard on law and order, that’s just more dog whistle politics they need to get over.
  They don’t actually need to hard on anything.
  They simply need to state, this what we did. The direction the country was heading under us and what we want to achieve when you vote us back in.
  And then ask the same questions of labour, and keep asking them to they get answers.
  This ‘going hard’ is overrated and usually the cry of those who don’t have an effective argument.
  The Nats do have a good argument.
  But meh, I’m not voting for them so why do I care
  
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  February 26, 2019 11:39am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Who will you vote for AC-m? You keep mentioning you don’t vote National but haven’t expanded. I’m interested in where your vote lies! ?
    
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    February 26, 2019 12:24pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      I simply don’t know.
      
      I do think National should be the majority partner, but there parts of the party that don’t sit well with me.
      
      Act is pretty much a wasted vote outside epsom, nz1st is not an option for obvious reason, as are the greens and labour.
      
      Maori? If Lance O’Sullivan is there I might go that way.
      
      Not the conservatives. Too much religious baggage.
      
      TOP are gone without Gareth
      
      Tava’a Teal party??? See how they go.
      
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      February 26, 2019 12:29pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        I agree with you that ACT being a non-entity outside of Epsom.
        O’Sullivan bends more toward labour end of the spectrum even if he is becomes leader of the MParty.
        Don’t know about the current Conservatives.
        TOP are weird and another group of left leaners
        Tava Teal party???
        Time to mull it all over before the election but at this time National will get my party vote cause there is nobody else.
        
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        February 26, 2019 12:59pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Yeah, perhaps my path is to stop moaning from the sidelines and join the National party. Work on influencing rather than criticising.
        
        At the end of the day. I have very little respect professionally for the people in the parties and in government.
        We seriously lack talented people in the right places and having that point of view makes it difficult to support any of them.
        
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        February 26, 2019 1:49pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Oh dear…there’s always the McGillicuddys, Awwww C
        
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        February 26, 2019 3:09pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Lifesgood, you are a genius! That’s my spiritual home!
        
        Ripping off tax payers and smoking pot with Metira ???
        
        Problem solved
        
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        February 26, 2019 3:52pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Actually giving any arbitrary ‘number’ is counter productive in my opinion, as it is giving the media an artificial target to aim for with their trolling and then crowing.
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

but the only sensible thing for them is to wait till much closer to the election.

No, it’s time for them to go on the attack.
Jacinda has had her honeymoon.

I’ve offered some suggestions for how Nats need to get out & about amongst young aspirationals (of all persuasions….not just the top scholar brigade)
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/who_will_be_affected_by_the_proposed_cgt.html/comment-page-1#comment-2438763
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February 26, 2019 10:47am
Pascal

Let us contrast two governments. In 2017, the National government was in the process of setting up monitoring of commercial fisheries with cameras.

https://www.national.org.nz/monitoring_of_commercial_fishing_to_revolutionise_fisheries_management

This was cancelled by the New Zealand First / Labour coalition government. And now?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/cameras-would-have-picked-up-latest-fisheries-abuse-minister/ar-BBU4ywi?ocid=spartandhp

They’re back in the “draft” stage and has to be consulted. They had a perfectly good working document to carry on with, all they needed was to finish it. Instead, we’re paying them to do it all again because they cancelled the original plans. Likely to protect the interests of their supporters and donors.

It’s disgusting what this New Zealand First / Labour government is doing.
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February 26, 2019 11:23am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  NZ First/Labour/Green coalition.
  There, fixed that for you.
  
  Let’s not forget the Greens part in this.
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:37pm
  - sooty
    
    No, they are only there to eat the pies if Megan leaves any!
    I bet she wept when the truck lost it’s load of pies in AK this morning!
    
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    February 26, 2019 3:39pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Sorry Sooty, you might be prepared to write the Greens off, but I’m not.
      They enabled the CoL and signed up as government in preference to a reasoned negotiation with National.
      They stood silent over matters that would have protected the environment : cameras, Kermadecs, .., as they banked the cheques.
      Tacit approval.
      Tainted by association.
      
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      February 26, 2019 4:33pm
MH

yes they deserve as oscar or an osca for camera work.
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February 26, 2019 11:38am
- MH
  
  not good enuff for an orca.
  
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  February 26, 2019 12:26pm
BeaB

Two days running Herald has cartoons attacking Simon and National. And Judith.
Nothing about Cindy, the CGT, Kiwiflop, cameras on boats, gene editing, jihadi brides, immigration stuff-ups, dreadful media conferences.
If I can think of a list like that off the top of my head, surely the cartoonists could dream something up. Or can’t they draw big gnashers? Surely not. They managed to give John Key a big Jewish hooked nose.
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February 26, 2019 11:45am
- Inandout
  
  BeaB, don’t read the papers and your calmness will return. The old socialist Tom Scott has a bad case of TDS, almost like a Democrat on the verge of insanity.
  
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  February 26, 2019 11:57am
DigNap15

yes, National just need to tick along for the next six months.
See how the COL and the polls go.
Then hit them hard next year.
Labour Attacking our school system
Labour attacking out way of life – CGT
Labour raising costs everywhere.
Labour rising crime and more benficiaries.
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February 26, 2019 11:45am
- kowtow
  
  labour attacking oil and gas
  
  labour attacking pedestrians , yes pedestrians , by changing the defintion of motor vehicle to allow fucking electric scooters on footpaths ………
  
  …….National need to use every tool in the box.
  
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  February 26, 2019 12:23pm
  - Longknives
    
    Labour attacking kids at their Youth Camps….
    
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    February 26, 2019 1:55pm
  - Komata
    
    KT@1223
    
    They need to but WILL they?
    
    Simon doesn’t exactly come across as the metaphorycal ‘Great White Shark’ (Unfortunately).
    
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    February 26, 2019 3:52pm
Happychappy

Winston must be losing in the internal polls on Immigration and refugees as on radio in Australia he has returned to it’s all John Key fault as it was him that offered to take the 150 refugees first in making fun of the friendship Turnball and Key.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12207282
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February 26, 2019 12:17pm
- sooty
  
  Heard him on the radio this morning. Turn3d him off after awhile. He’s losing it, will be a spluttering, dripping wreck soon! Will he be well enough to contest the next election. I see he’s off on an island junket!
  
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  February 26, 2019 12:26pm
waikatogirl

Q: Have lawnmowers been upgraded to golf carts? ?
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February 26, 2019 12:27pm
- auckwood
  
  Lawnmowers are for Molly*
  Golf carts are for Icy* conditions.
  
  Could always ask SLG for clarification, Jethro has experience driving both lawnmowers and golf carts, but doesnt always stay between the lines as much SLG would like….
  
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  February 26, 2019 12:40pm
kowtow

White man go home . Blackouts in South Africa . Colonialism , so evil. But then wtf , power systems being used by Africans is cultural appropriation….

‘President Cyril Ramaphosa and Energy Minister Jeff Radebe are accused by some experts of being behind the Eskom blackouts. They are suspected of wanting to ensure that Eskom is taken over once it is privatized by their in-law, Patrice Motsepe, one of the country’s few billionaires.’

https://www.dw.com/en/south-african-power-cuts-darken-ancs-election-outlook/a-47676150
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February 26, 2019 12:43pm
- Komata
  
  KT@1243
  
  Situation normal; my relatives have their relatives, who have their relatives as well…
  
  Got to provide for the family don’t y’ know, cause if you don’t, well, you know how it is….
  
  ‘Corruption’ SA style; nothing has changed since ‘Independence’; except that they’re now targeting the other tribes; which could be ‘dangerous’…
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:58pm
MrTips

Somewhere, in a well-being adjusted, manicured recording studio refitted for a Princess…..

Hosking: And welcome Prime Minister Ardern

Trumpets sound to smooth bass beats and Lorde wailing and school girls crying for joy in the background

Ardern: My pweasure
H: what the hell…..?
A: Oh, that’s just a little something I cooked up for Clark to greet me in the morning with.
H: Okeeeyyyy……now about the tax announcement….how do think it’s gone down with the public?
A: Neve loves it! Cover photo stuff…
H: yes, but what about the public
A: Who?
H: The people who voted for you
A: Oh them. They’ll learn to like it. Adsolubily
H: You think they’ll come round to the CGT?
A: On Mike you crafty devil. Not gonna catch me again on that one.
H: On what?
A: CGT!!!
H: I haven’t spoken to you before on it, you’ve just had the working group come back on it
A: Yes, you did. And then Soimon asked me about. I know it’s the total output of a country type thing. Amazeballs eh?
H: Um, I asked you about GDP.
A: Yes, I know and you won’t catch me out.
H: I’m talking about CGT.
A: Yes, I know and you won’t catch me out.
H: They’re different things PM.
A: Look Mike, the first article of the Treaty is very clear. I put my placenta under the tree you know!!
H (under his breath): bloody hell…..
A: Huawei want to be cwear. We are absodludely committed to elevating Treaty principles on a raising fairness boat of GDP that’s twemendously powered with CGT to navigate the fickle fiscal forecasts in order to ensure solid lines for all New Zealanders.
H: solid lines?
A: You know. Straight solid, dependable lines.
H: Of what?
A: High…..certainty
H: About what?
A: Um….income
H: But the CGT will hit their income won’t it?
A: Not this boat!
H: What about Winston’s boat?
A: He has a boat?
H: His economic boat I mean
A: Glad to hear his boat is economical…..petrol prices in Auckland eh?
H: You put that tax in…after you said no new taxes.
A: Tax….ah, there’s that GDP trap again!
H: well….thank you Prime Minister…very enlightening. Happy days………
A: Loved that show!!! Clark looks a bit like Chachi doncha think???
H: (quietly) get her out of here…….
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February 26, 2019 12:43pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Certified as a true and correct transcript of the original. RP, Notary Public.
  
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  February 26, 2019 12:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Morrissey will be spitting that he missed this exchange.
    
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    February 26, 2019 1:19pm
    - sooty
      
      Sounds like a Fred Dagg, exchange!
      Mind you would get more sense out of his dog than JacinDUH!
      
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      February 26, 2019 3:34pm
- howitis
  
  Love your work 🙂
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:08pm
wreck1080

Wow, this is quite awesome, and very rare. Maybe a first?

Ex-PM Dame Jenny Shipley and other Mainzeal directors ordered to pay $36m by High Court

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12207386

Shipley has to cough up 6 million bucks, i’m sure she has the cash though.

Although, I wonder if it will be appealed until it no longer matters .
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February 26, 2019 12:49pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Yes, however the report says that the Directors are covered by Insurance., which will pay the amount owing.
  
  So that lets her off the hook again.
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:00pm
  - Inandout
    
    bb, but were the directors ‘acting in good faith’?
    
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    February 26, 2019 3:13pm
  - wreck1080
    
    Insurance does not cover gross negligence.
    
    I wonder if the insurers can use that to avoid a payout.
    
    NZ has quite a history of highly paid CEO’s and board members who are just crap at their jobs.
    
    Fletchers anyone? Fonterra?
    
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    February 26, 2019 3:55pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      It didn’t look like gross negligence to me, just that there was reliance on the overarching company structure to provide money.
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:54pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The question will be whether the limit of indemnity was high enough.
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:15pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    I thought the level was $20 mil.
    Whether that is each director or the total pot i don’t know.
    I suspect the decision will be appealed thru to the SC so we have another 2-3 years to wait.
    
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    February 26, 2019 2:02pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And new precedents?
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:52pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    That will be per claim rather than defendant. Probably costs inclusive too, which erodes it by circa $2m by SC time, leaving $18m of it uninsured.
    
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    February 26, 2019 2:19pm
- howitis
  
  The companies office shows her current directorships as:
  
  -Oravida Limited
  -Oravida NZ Limited
  -Oravida Waters Limited
  -CHINA CONSTRUCTION BANK (NEW ZEALAND) LIMITED
  -JENNY SHIPLEY NEW ZEALAND LIMITED
  
  That is an interesting number.. $6 million
  
  After Shipley as PM made a complete botch up of a TV interview over the few weeks John Hawkesby spent at the ever dreadful TVNZ, Hawkesby got a payout – effectively taxpayers money in lost tax/dividends – of $6 million.
  
  Now Shipley has to pay that amount out, albeit for an unrelated matter.
  Serendipity.
  
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  February 26, 2019 2:25pm
- peterwn
  
  Basically the first director is liable for $36M but if he cannot cough up that amount the other three directors including Jenny would have to cough up $6M each though liability insurance may help.
  So the second, third and fourth directors will be looking to the first director to cough up. There are a few other things too.
  
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  February 26, 2019 4:24pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Will a finding of *Reckless Trading* by the Judge, be able to be relied on by the Insurers as a get-out-of-jail-free card ?
    
    Asking for a friend.
    
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    February 26, 2019 5:31pm
    - peterwn
      
      For the $6M each directors it all probably depends on whether they knew or ought to have known that there was ‘reckless trading’. It could be too that they had failed to undertake properly the normal expected duties of directors including curiosity and asking hard questions.
      I would have thought that after prominent lawyer Bruce Davidson as Chair of Bridgecorp had to pay $.5M and copped home detention for being a party to unlawful dealings, that ‘figurehead’ directors like Jenny Shipley would have considered their situations very carefully and jumped ship if they felt uneasy.
      I do not know the bounds of Directors and Officers Insurance, but surely it was intended to cover Murphy’s Law type issues, not general negligence or inattention to duties by a director. So the $20M cap that apparently exists would amply cover Murphy’s Law issues although insufficient for a serious systemic lapse.
      As far as the first director is concerned, it seems he greatly benefited from the siphoning of money out of Mainzeal which while not apparently criminally wrong was a serious breach of fiduciary duty (ie trust) so he presumably cannot claim on D&O insurance. I doubt the liquidators could directly claim on the insurance in his case since the insurance is for the benefit of directors and officers personally, not the shareholders or creditors.
      Liquidators if lucky may get the $18M from the three directors perhaps with help of insurance.
      Possibly, the four may make a partial offer to the liquidator subject to not making them bankrupt with the implication that if they were bankrupted the liquidator would get far less. The amount offered could well come from trusts or from overseas sources not accessible to the liquidator.
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:22pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Will Jenny Shipley be okay? I’m a bit worried that she might have to work fulltime for the Chinese Communist Party to ensure a modest retirement.
        
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        February 26, 2019 7:38pm
graham

Following Six60’s amazing feat in making history as the first New Zealand band to sell out Western Springs Stadium, a fellow musician takes the opportunity to … criticize them for not having any female members.

Following their standard MO, Stuff closed the comments after Chelsea Jade was roundly told to pull her head in.

Interestingly, she formed a folk trio in high school which was ALL-FEMALE, and is quoted as saying, “I know very little about boy music” and “I like a lot of female singers … because I don’t want to be sung to; I want to be sung about. I don’t want a boy crooning to me.”
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February 26, 2019 12:57pm
- MCos
  
  My sister used to live at Six58 Castle St. If she had been next door this mightn’t have been an issue.
  The other sticking point was she was there thirty years previously.
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:50pm
- Longknives
  
  The Left have been pushing for quotas on Music Festivals for some time now overseas-
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-43196414
  
  Good luck with these new ‘Equality’ Music Festivals when nobody buys any fucking tickets…
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:54pm
- lifesgood
  
  Who are Six60? I’d never heard of them before the rather breathless reports of their concert.
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:06pm
  - Longknives
    
    Horrible ‘BBQ Reggae’ music for stoner students…
    
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    February 26, 2019 3:50pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    First I heard of them was when the balcony collapsed ‘in the hood? Doesn’t seem to have harmed them,
    
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    February 26, 2019 7:48pm
- graham
  
  Whoops, I got it slightly wrong … Chelsea Jade was complaining that none of the ACTS were women.
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:22pm
secondcumming

BREAKING….

Good luck to the liquidators collecting $36 mill from the useless Directors. BoL!!
A mate of mine at the gun club lost over 100k when *Mainzeal* went tits up…..even now he’s not holding out any hope of seeing a fucking cent.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1100173625548828673

How does this verdict affect Dame Jenny’s other directorships?
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February 26, 2019 1:08pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Don’t you mean collecting $36million from the directors professional liability insurers? Shipley’s career is probably done, but at 67 she isn’t losing out on a lot of income.
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:52pm
Maggie Pie

It was just on the wireless that Cardinal Pell has been found guilty of insulting two choir boys. Dirty old bastard 🙁
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February 26, 2019 1:34pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Insulting?
  
  Um
  
  That’s a terrible thing to do.
  Man of the cloth and all.
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:44pm
- kowtow
  
  Witch hunt.
  
  I don’t believe it .
  
  If he was the crazed sex attacker described in the trial there’d surely be far more victims and complainants.
  
  ‘Not only were prosecutors grappling with the passage of time, but before he died in 2014 the other alleged victim told his mother he was never sexually abused.’
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/26/five-times-guilty-how-george-pells-child-abusing-past-caught-up-with-him-in-courtroom-43
  
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  February 26, 2019 1:56pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The very funny Tim Minchin singing “come home cardinal pell” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtHOmforqxk
  
  Or if punk is your thing; peter and the test tube babies.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FJ1Ji2sruo
  
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  February 26, 2019 2:10pm
- greybeard
  
  Have you got one of those new “wireless” things, Maggie Pie ?
  Damn ! I’ll have to trade in my crystal set.
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:20pm
- stigie
  
  There’s a shit load of cardinals and bishops who get their rocks off around the choir and altar boys who haven’t been busted yet Maggie ?
  Disgusting alright !~
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:34pm
- gump
  
  A dirty old bastard who was supported by senior Liberal Party politicians until his demise:
  
  Tony Abbott: “Cardinal Pell is a fine man”
  
  Andrew Bolt: “the most disgusting and pitiless and savage witchhunt that I can recall in Victoria in my lifetime.”
  
  John Howard: “It seems as if Cardinal Pell is being singled out to take the rap for the misdeeds of a whole lot of people”
  
  Miranda Devine: “Victoria police chief Graham Ashton desperate for a distraction from the crime epidemic he’s incapable of stopping #HuntingCatholics”
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:43pm
Ruahine

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12206865

I have wondered how it is that these dangerous Lime Scooters are allowed on the footpaths travelling at speeds at over 25 kph weaving in and out of the pedestrians along the footpaths and startling people as they rush by in very close to a person who is totally unaware of there proximity.
Contrast this to the situation where the law regarding the use of cycles on the footpaths is limited to a vehicle with wheels up to 355mm in diameter and a helmet must be worn. Exception is delivering mail or newspapers.
We now know how they have got onto the footpaths. All the cities I have seen them in are run by Labour. What a surprise.
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February 26, 2019 1:50pm
- kowtow
  
  Friends in high places. When it’s “progressive” the law can be ignored or changed to suit.
  
  ‘By law, in order to define e-scooters as non-motor vehicles, the NZTA had to issue a gazette notice, and then present the notice to Parliament. But the NZTA had not presented this “within the required time”, she said.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/e-scooter-footpath-use-%E2%80%98illegal%E2%80%99
  
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  February 26, 2019 2:02pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Thank you Kowtow and Dr Lynley Hood.
    
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    February 26, 2019 2:09pm
  - MCos
    
    I’ve got no problem in principle with electric scooters on city streets.
    The issue is where do they fit in with other street users.
    Some people don’t use them, don’t like them & want banned. I don’t used them,don’t take my car to the Auckland CBD. As far as I’m concerned private cars can be banned and the scooters can use their space. I reckon I wouldn’t be alone on that either.
    
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    February 26, 2019 2:57pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Another lefty principle…ban stuff they don’t like or care about.
      
      Imposing your view on others…..typical eh?
      
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      February 26, 2019 3:03pm
      - MCos
        
        My comment was a tongue in cheek response to people who want to ban scooters.
        
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        February 26, 2019 3:56pm
      - kowtow
        
        Not ban.
        
        Get em off the footpath and into the cycle lanes , too easy.
        
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        February 26, 2019 4:43pm
MrTips

I’m a Catholic and quite keen for all the dirty laundry to come out in the wash. My attitude is pretty much summed up by this .

However, on this one involving Card. Pell, I am a little perplexed. How can the evidence of one victim, which is completely counter to the reported statement by the other that it never happened, be good enough? I am not saying it never happened, but knowing the sacristy and how difficult it is to be alone for more than 5 seconds in it after Mass, combined with the fact Pell’s reforms were shafted by Pope Francis after Pell was getting too close to the financial skulduggery at the Vatican does make me wonder.

We shall see from any appeal if it arises.
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February 26, 2019 1:56pm
- MCos
  
  I went to some Catholic schools including four years boarding and there’s a number of religious in the whanau.
  I wasn’t aware of any sexual deviancy among the priests, but drunkenness was another issue indeed.
  A chap I went to school with was ordained a priest and in recent years was convicted of sexually transgressions.
  
  I saw on the news the other day the gathering in Rome of a whole lot of top brass from the church and it could have been Saudi bloody Arabia. Not a female amongst them. Just the same old nodding heads who didn’t have a clue what to do except issue another firmly worded statement.
  The Catholic Church is an ultra conservative totalitarian organisation whose power is fast dwindling away. It’ll cave in on itself.
  They have incomprehensible regulations designed to keep the faithful in line. Well, the days of mind control are gone and people want answers to questions. Why can’t priests marry? What’s wrong with birth control? Why can’t the big cheese be a female? Why is everyone beholden to Rome?
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:26pm
  - Longknives
    
    Every sperm is sacred MCos!
    
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    February 26, 2019 3:49pm
    - holysheet
      
      As many a choir boy can attest to.
      
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      February 26, 2019 4:54pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And yet so many get ‘wasted’ on the ground.
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:39pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    One of my grandmothers was Irish Catholic, didn’t bring her only daughter up in the ‘faith’ and her sister brought her only son up as High Anglican, speaks volumes to me.
    They were in a convent after their father died in a mine accident in Waihi in the early 1900’s.
    
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    February 26, 2019 7:43pm
- cha
  
  My attitude is pretty much summed up by this .
  
  Of course, truthiness is found in ~~hipster coffee</strike gelato shops~~.
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:44pm
Captain Mainwaring

Got all excited about Air NZ’s new provincial fares as we need to go Wellington-Rotorua for one night in May and the drive is a bit of a pain.
Going up is good- $49. Then we have to come back the next day. $179.
What a rort, now thinking about a one-way rental car.
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February 26, 2019 2:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.rentalcarrelocation.co.nz/
  
  https://www.transfercar.co.nz/
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:00pm
- Inandout
  
  CM, presumably you own a vehicle, so driving a rental back will still ‘be a pain’? It is a pleasant drive most of the way, without the hassle of getting to an airport.
  
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  February 26, 2019 3:22pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It’s only half as much of a pain as driving both ways.
    And a shitload cheaper than two $179 airfares.
    
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    February 26, 2019 4:52pm
greybeard

Now wait for Jetstar to drop their prices.
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February 26, 2019 3:24pm
stigie

Might be too low for Jetstar, they might just pack up and leave !~
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February 26, 2019 3:40pm
- MCos
  
  Then watch AirNZ go back up.
  
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  February 26, 2019 4:00pm
Raniera

I’m surprised no-one’s mentioned this before now, but today is Helen Clark’s 69th birthday.

Happy birthday, Helen.
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February 26, 2019 4:20pm
- Longknives
  
  I wonder if her and her ‘Husband’ are heading out for a romantic dinner?
  
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  February 26, 2019 4:40pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Longknives
    
    I wonder if her and her ‘Husband’ are heading out for a romantic dinner?
    
    I wouldn’t have thought the Hagley Park lawn was a particularly romantic place for a picnic?
    
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    February 26, 2019 5:23pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      I’ll channel Morrissey. Two Hagley Park ambassadors have registered their presence with us. My apologies for suggesting that your beloved Hagley Park lawn is anything other than the most sacred and special of places to snog Helen 🙂
      
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      February 26, 2019 5:32pm
      - Longknives
        
        I’m an Aucklander mate- So I assume Hagley Park is the Christchurch equivalent of the Western Springs toilets?
        
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        February 26, 2019 6:14pm
    - stigie
      
      You have no idea how romantic it can be down in the south west corner of Hagley Park Nostra.
      Dad could make a shit load of money taking lovers to and from Hagley Park.
      
      https://p1.liveauctioneers.com/1068/19857/6778069_1_x.jpg?version=0&width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&quality=50
      
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      February 26, 2019 5:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nah, h2 is pretty busy minding the kindy we call the coalition.
    
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    February 26, 2019 6:38pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Lk: “I wonder if her and her ‘Husband’ are heading out for a romantic dinner?”
    
    Probably separately! ?
    
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    February 26, 2019 7:04pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Be the best way to maintain a marriage in my opinion.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:55pm
- holysheet
  
  Is that all?
  She doesn’t look a day under 89.
  What a hag.
  
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  February 26, 2019 4:51pm
  - stigie
    
    Holy hell, poor Peter the Professor !~
    
    http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/serveimage.jpg
    
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    February 26, 2019 5:01pm
    - Swifty
      
      The Klarkenfuhrer!
      
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      February 26, 2019 6:09pm
- Universal Smith
  
  That’s nice Raniera. Will she take on human form for a photo shoot?
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:20pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  What no 69 jokes? tough crowd,
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:06pm
Michael

So Jenny Shipley has to fork out $6 million. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. I wonder if she will be claiming a tax refund?
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February 26, 2019 5:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  Or her insurers…..
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:37pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Yet another corrupt female PM.
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:50pm
- KevOB
  
  It would be a capital loss so not deductible for income tax.
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:10pm
Happychappy

It seem Winston wants to commit Political suicide and take every one with him by his change of attitude over the CGT. I have always thought that if he was about to lose again he would make sure he took others with him.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/capital-gains-tax-could-winston-peters-change-his-mind.amp.html
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February 26, 2019 5:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  He has never changed his mind.
  
  It has always been about what’s good for wynston the thief. It will be no different this time.
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:36pm
nasska

…..”Cardinal George Pell has been found guilty of sexual offences in Australia, making him the highest-ranking Catholic figure to receive such a conviction.”……

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-47366113

Another one bites the dust! 🙂
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February 26, 2019 5:51pm
- Swifty
  
  And this one:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110872193/auckland-catholic-sex-abuse-trial-marist-brother-michael-beaumont-admits-historical-attacks-on-girls
  
  I have two daughters.
  
  I can’t imagine what the parents feel, let alone what the girls/women have experienced dealing with it.
  
  Look at the gormless-looking prick. Sick fucker. The trust of families betrayed yet again by those who claim to represent God. And, of course, it was this claim that got him invitations in these families homes in the first place.
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:06pm
  - nasska
    
    Our kids were taught that if they were ever approached by someone holding a Bible or raving about an imaginary god they should run straight to a policeman or Mum or Dad.
    
    The exclusion of the supernatural from Chateau Nasska made them good little cynics & mercifully kept their minds & bodies unmolested.
    
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    February 26, 2019 6:28pm
    - Longknives
      
      I feel a bit sorry for you Nasska- You clearly never got to experience the joys of a Coed Catholic education with any rebellious Catholic boarder girls!
      The Almighty moves in mysterious ways my friend…
      
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      February 26, 2019 6:35pm
      - Swifty
        
        I’ve had two Catholic partners over the years.
        
        Oh the stories one could tell!
        
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        February 26, 2019 6:41pm
      - nasska
        
        You’re not wrong. I was from 3rd form to expulsion sort of educated at a Protestant boarding school.
        
        But I made up for lost time & I’m certain that I would have enjoyed a few left footers amongst the liberated hippy chicks of the late 60s. 🙂
        
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        February 26, 2019 6:45pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        @longknives
        In case your wonderng ‘Lk’ the 2nd downtik was from me . Always remember that whenever a man abuses a Catholic boarder girl his hair recedes another inch.
        The Amighty moves in mysterious ways my friend…..
        
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        February 26, 2019 6:47pm
    - Swifty
      
      There’s a crew running around Auckland at the mo, lying their way into homes under the pretext of conducting a ‘theological survey’.
      
      My daughter had them the other day.
      
      Kimbo’s had them too. Church of God, I think he said they were. He let them in but he said within ten minutes they were running for the door!
      
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      February 26, 2019 6:38pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I saw kids without any religious background being suckered into cults when they headed out into their own life.
      
      So although my kids didn’t get a great exposure to religion, I was always supportive if they wanted to go to a religious do with one of their friends, or stay at a church-based camp.
      
      Oddly enough some folks assumed we were rather religious as we have a couple of the gdfather-in-law’s icons on our walls, as well as a framed pic of the abbey on Iona…. but they are only there as family memorabilia.
      
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      February 26, 2019 6:49pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Yes, cults love a vacuum, I was the same with mine although they attended church enough to get baptised so they could say they had a religion if asked.
        
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        February 26, 2019 7:17pm
  - holysheet
    
    If you took off the glasses, he would be mistaken for our very own stoooopidboy. Maybe slightly younger.
    
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    February 26, 2019 6:50pm
alloytoo

This was pointed out by the Mrs.

Jack Tame interview with the PM this morning.

She can’t even get the facts right about the due dates for rental standards compliance.

When Jack corrects her (good on Jack) she doubles down on her assertion.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=715741445486577

fun starts about 2 mins in.
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February 26, 2019 5:59pm
- Longknives
  
  Jack Tame is a peculiar one- He is a hardcore Leftie but seems to be one of the only people in NZ Media who doesn’t get all starstruck and gush when the Socialist Princess rides her Unicorn into his studio…
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:10pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Good on him.
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  The boss here has put it quite succinctly…ardern the liar is an idiot.
  
  Oops, nearly forgot
  
  ardern is a liar
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:31pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Dreadful. No other PM in my memory forgot dates of a policy announced YESTERDAY!! ?
  
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  February 26, 2019 7:34pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Smile and wave, an embarrassment to women and no shame what so ever.
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:50pm
- Swifty
  
  I’ve just noticed her hands…
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vik-7MjKDa0
  
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  February 26, 2019 7:46pm
- noskire
  
  WTF is going on with her arms? She flails about like an octopus on steroids.
  
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  February 26, 2019 10:09pm
brett68

Pretty much what I thought.
Slater is full of it, he’s a bullshitting scumbag.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12207479
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February 26, 2019 6:14pm
- Inandout
  
  If Slater is that stupid then I can’t forgive him. That is just inviting bad luck.
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:46pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    Slater and his “victims” [chuckle] are all crooks. There is not a good side in the proceedings. Defamation is just legal trickery to protect the rich and powerful from scrutiny. Slater is a scumbag just like those he attacks.
    
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    February 26, 2019 6:57pm
  - brett68
    
    I just can’t get over how stupid the people who post on whaleoil are.
    
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    February 26, 2019 7:12pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Are they even more stupid than the resident morons on this blog?
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thy condemnest thyself, Milky.
        
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        February 26, 2019 7:55pm
mikenmildagain

Surely it is no news that he is a bullshitting scumbag.
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February 26, 2019 6:44pm
- nasska
  
  He’s a mental health survivor Mike. I don’t suggest that it makes him loveable or excuses some of his behaviour but it does make it understandable.
  
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  February 26, 2019 6:52pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Then he is experiencing some sort of comeback for tormenting fellow ‘survivors’ over many years. Nice to play the mental health card just when his victims are lining up for long overdue payback.
    
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    February 26, 2019 7:05pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    How touching nasska. Most mental health survivors are not scumbags for hire though.
    
    I do not think he should be done for defamation. A reasonable person would not consider his blog a credible source. On that basis the lastest rich prick was not defamed. The decision is a nonsense.
    
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    February 26, 2019 7:11pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Defamation does not depend upon the credibility of the publisher. We have very strict definitions of defamation in New Zealand, that work to discourage blatant lies about other people wherever published.
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:19pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”A reasonable person would not consider his blog a credible source”……
      
      I’ll grant you that. I used to comment there when he first started the blog but I ended up suspended for six weeks & lost interest.
      
      There are a few gems posted but you have to wade through a power of dog shit to find them. The comments are just a wankfest.
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:22pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Only 6 weeks! He must have really liked you.
        
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        February 26, 2019 7:25pm
      - nasska
        
        I made a comment that the unstable woman he was having an affair with (unbeknown to me) took exception to. She leant on him & I was given the option of apologising to the maggot or six weeks suspension.
        
        I don’t do fake apologies so that signalled the end of my engaging on WOBH.
        
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        February 26, 2019 7:37pm
      - stigie
        
        Only to come away from Whale to get abused by the Trublue Reddy.
        At least it was great entertainment for us newbees at the time but i feel he left too early Nasska !~
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:08pm
Rachael Membery

Can’t Mr Devast8 grow a beard?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz//nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12207046&ref=clavis
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February 26, 2019 7:01pm
- secondcumming
  
  Or a brain…..
  
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  February 26, 2019 7:46pm
noskire

This is pure communism at work: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110859511/jacinda-ardern-says-lime-scooter-company-should-pay-fair-share-of-tax
Adept and clueless Ardern, along with her crack-snorting fuck-buddy, need to be removed ASAP.
Why has there been an order to all media to stop reporting on the Karel Soubrek matter?
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February 26, 2019 7:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Could I see a copy of that order, please?
  
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  February 26, 2019 7:20pm
  - noskire
    
    Sorry mikenmildagain.
    Despite being a trolling sycophant leftist fuckwit, you seem to have been left off the Labour wanker email list.
    
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    February 26, 2019 7:40pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh, so there is no such ‘order’. Colour me surprised .
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:51pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        The order has been given to the media and not recorded. Just like the secret meetings with RNZ to transfer tens of millions of our money.
        
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        February 26, 2019 7:56pm
      - noskire
        
        See above, dipshit.
        Oh, BTW, Rachel the camel is on sale for you: https://www.exoticanimalsforsale.net/camels-for-sale.asp
        
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        February 26, 2019 7:56pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I looked above and could not see a dipshit.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:26pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        “I looked above and could not see a dipshit.”
        
        Look at 7:51PM. He’s there alright.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:31pm
Swifty

What is neo-liberalism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kL4p3llmHk

Psycho, when we finally getting around to cleaning out our universities I do hope people like these don’t decide to become plumbers. They’d be shithouse!

Tell me, we don’t waste taxpayer money on these types in NZ do we?
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February 26, 2019 7:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  How would you go about cleaning out those pesky universities?
  
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  February 26, 2019 7:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Probably cancel all:
    1. Communications Studies courses.
    2. Art History courses
    3. Music Courses
    4. Psychology Courses
    5. Liberal Arts Courses
    6. Performing Arts Courses…
    https://www.careeraddict.com/useless-degrees
    
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    February 26, 2019 7:49pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, because the government should definitely decide what universities are allowed to research or teach.
      Does history count as a ‘liberal arts’ subject you wish to see suppressed by your commisars?
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:54pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Ideology and opinion has nothing to do with knowledge. In fact it suppresses it. They should be doing their job of educating people.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:01pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Is that revised history?
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:07pm
      - noskire
        
        But history will teach us that Maori were an advanced people (despite them having no written language and had not EVEN begun to master pottery, which basically every other civilisation had done centuries before).
        Maori treasured the environment (killed off all the Moas).
        Trading with Australia? – absolute bullshit.
        At least the Aborigines in Australia managed to make some sort of musical instrument – what do Maori do? Wail and slap themselves.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:17pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Rachael
        Someone very wise once wrote that history is the argument without end.
        I should be very interested to know if you have discovered a method for determining which parts of history have been ‘revised’, and how you are able to tell those from other, presumably unrevised parts.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:19pm
      - noskire
        
        Take a read of this mikenmildagain: https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/The_Defenders_of_New_Zealand.html?id=ZH8KAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:35pm
      - DigNap15
        
        I think universities should teach basket weaving and maori waita and dope growing.
        That is the level they have sunk to.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:42pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        noskire
        I don’t see any reason for you to suppose that I am any more ignorant of the historiography of the NZ wars than you are of the history of taxation.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:42pm
      - noskire
        
        If you are trying to place a link between history and taxes then I double down and ask you to explain why archaeological records regarding Waipoua Forest have been embargoed until 2063.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        There is no such embargo. Even asking that question shows you are not very much up to date with NZ pseudohistory. Will you be telling me about the great fleet, the Kaimanawa Wall or the Litylewood treaty next?
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:05pm
      - noskire
        
        http://www.celticnz.co.nz/embargo_saga.html
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:57pm
    - nasska
      
      7) Sack the vice chancellors & start afresh preferably with pragmatic retired farmers.
      
      8) Get rid of “safe places” & “hug puppies” or whatever their NZ equivalents are.
      
      9) As a sinking lid policy, cancel courses where graduates fail to find meaningful work within a year of completion.
      
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      February 26, 2019 7:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        nasska
        I agree with the first part of (7), but not the second part.
        Re (8), all places in NZ should be safe.
        Re (9), I disagree that the sole aim for universities is vocational training.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:04pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        What, like Jim Bolger?
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:06pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        “Re (8), all places in NZ should be safe.”
        
        Unless they don’t share your tacked on and fake PC ideology.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:07pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”all places in NZ should be safe.”…..
        
        Not from opinions.
        
        …..”I disagree that the sole aim for universities is vocational training”……
        
        In a perfect world……true but varsities have tried to usurp the rolls of polytechnics. Until they return to classical knowledge & give up the roll of degree factories they should be treated as vocational trainers.
        
        ……”I agree with the first part of (7), but not the second part”……
        
        How hurtful! 🙂
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:11pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Personally I have had about enough of mikenmildagain mansplaining and assuming every ones gender. It is hugely offensive as are his microaggressions and deeply racist eurocentric views.
        
        STOP THE HATE !!!
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:24pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I’d be fooked. What;s meaningful? Posting on Kiwiblog?
        
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        February 26, 2019 10:10pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Well I didn’t do any of those, so all good.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:05pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        And Universal Smith enough of the faux outrage. So funny if it wasn’t so obvious.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:54pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      nasska
      I think you got the polytechnics things round the wrong way. The polytechs wanted to become universities, as they wrongly were incentivised to make money.
      We already sent too many kids to universities, which should not teach strictly vocational subjects like law or accounting.
      Were I wearied by the realism of old age, I would hold out some hope for the proposal to reform the polytechs.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Were I wearied by the realism of old age,
        
        Oh gracious, are you young MMA?
        
        I was sure you were of my vintage.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:06pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        The polytechs wanted to become universities, as they wrongly were incentivised to make money.
        
        It worked both ways, to some extent. Particularly in the late 1990s under the Bolger/Shipley governments, the bums-on-seats funding model encouraged universities to venture into polytechs’ teaching areas, as well as vice versa. Another way to “clean up” the universities (and the polytechs) would be to stop making them pretend they’re engaged in some kind of business activity.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:12pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Probably cancel all:
      1. Communications Studies courses. …etc…
      
      A handy illustration that the most important first step in “cleaning up” the universities would be to remove from influence anyone labouring under the delusion that universities are polytechs for the fancier jobs.
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:40pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    How would you go about cleaning out those pesky universities?
    
    Good question – the ignorant often have strongly-held views on what should happen to the educated. Scratch a Kiwiblog commenter and you’ll find a Pol Pot struggling to get out.
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:11pm
    - Swifty
      
      How bigoted of you PM.
      
      Is that what is taught in NZ universities these days?
      
      Do you think any of the women in the neo-liberalism piece would make good plumbers? There’s a great gender imbalance in plumbing you know. Isn’t it time this was corrected?
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:20pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Is there some point you’re trying to make, or is spouting drivel about plumbers the entirety of it?
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        It’s not drivel, on the contrary, I assure you the issue of gender imbalance in the NZ plumbing industry is most serious.
        
        I think it’s a national scandal and urge the CoL to immediately launch a working group to establish a roadmap for rectification.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:55pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        So, it’s not drivel, it just reads like drivel. Clearly, plumbers have a level of intellectual sophistication quite beyond us lesser mortals.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:58pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      the ignorant often have strongly-held views
      I’m not so ignorant as to use a hyphen between an adverb ending in ly and the word it modifies.
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:22pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        LOL
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:25pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        However, you are so ignorant as to fail to recognise that “strongly held” is an adjectival phrase modifying the noun “views,” and is therefore hyphenated.
        
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        February 27, 2019 7:00am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Was that a pun?
  
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  February 26, 2019 8:09pm
Jack5

Now America’s going after Huawei solar equipment.
The West v. China tech trade war widens:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/25/nielsen-perry-huawei-letter-shows-us-will-go-after-all-chinese-tech.html
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February 26, 2019 7:53pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  At least our courts are showing some signs of going after the politicians who sell out New Zealanders for Chinese Communist money
  
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  February 26, 2019 7:56pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    “Chinese Communist”
    
    What sort of communist do you prefer?
    
    Under their communism millions have been raised from poverty. Under Ardern millions are heading for it.
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:03pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Millions? Hyperbole. Are the poor going to be further disadvantaged to reach Labour’s target?
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:10pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        I meant millions are heading for poverty under Ardern. You are free to disagree if you choose.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:16pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So you are all for communism if the commies are ad nice as the Chinese?
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:38pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Do change your grip.
    
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    February 26, 2019 8:14pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m looking forward to you starting a collection to help out poor Jenny when she has to stump up some of her Chinese pension scheme. Do you think her criminality rises to the point where her title should be forfeited,?
      
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      February 26, 2019 8:36pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        What criminality?
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        Criminality?
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:44pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        She is a white collar crook. They are the worst as they do it from a position of trust and do far more harm than the thieves we find in a District Court.
        
        Yet we all know justice will not be done and she will live out her days in the manner to which she is accustomed.
        
        To those of us with a moral compass she is a fraudster and a crook.
        
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        February 26, 2019 8:52pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        What criminality indeed? These days, stiffing your creditors and employees is a qualification for PotUS, not evidence of bad character.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:06pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        And here was me thinking a tab of the tar brush was all it took to be POTUS.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:21pm
      - Nookin
        
        Not that it matters one iota to the bigot brigade, but I thought it might be helpful to point out that this was not a criminal prosecution but a civil case brought by the liquidators.
        There was no allegation of criminality, fraud or corruption levelled against Shiply and the judge was at pains to point out that she and two other directors acted with honesty and in good faith throughout. They were simply suckered by an unscrupulous co-director who word was not, according to the judge, sufficiently reliable to excuse the co-directors.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:36pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Nookin, yes all true.
        
        Thanks for pointing out, in detail, why the system is corrupt in favour of white collar crims.
        
        As I was at pains to point out: To those of us with a moral compass she is a fraudster and a crook.
        
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        February 26, 2019 9:41pm
      - Nookin
        
        I am a bit puzzled that you should call the system corrupt when Shipley , acting honestly according to the judge, was landed with a $6m bill for allowing herself to be duped.
        
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        February 26, 2019 10:05pm
      - Viking2
        
        Shipley’s crime was one of ignorance.
        She was chair of the company and as such failed the company by not having proper audit and legal functions that should have been in place to ensure that there were the funds to carry out the business in a legal manner.
        
        She was suckered by the chow because those legal agreements were not in place and monitored.
        
        Her problem now is can that be seen as reckless and the insurance company will decide that.
        
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        February 27, 2019 6:44am
Rachael Membery

Although it is true that I have possibly ‘been there and done that’, I am not an 8 year old gelding even in camel years.
I have never been accused of either having a good let lone excellent temperament or of being friendly lol and I am not about to change that now.

I have not been easy to catch either in pasture or without, and if caught am really good at slipping the halter :).
OMG Steady Eddie? If ever there was an ironic name for a person. Like calling a red head blue, but I digress.

And I can assure you that I wouldn’t have given 5,000 rides in my lifetime let alone in the last five years lol and no one that knows me would say that I had never given any issues. I would hang my hat on ‘issues’.

Not sure why you go to camel sites and I apologize if I was not the intended recipient of the post.

I was however ‘transported’ for a while.

Rachel (not my spelling) does mean ewe in Hebrew but I am damned if I know why you would call a gelded camel that, but I do have a fondness for donkeys, and I have never named them after myself either. Rachelle is close enough so I will give you latitude because I now believe you are ‘special’, although I can not say that I have ‘noticed’ you before and will not notice you again.

Anyway thanks for the laugh it quite took me to a time and place when my children found it hilarious at the Wellington zoo that I had a close encounter with a dewlap and camel.

Oh and if my ex husbands could have got $10,000 US for me, I am sure that they would have, but as I have never known my place, I am not worth anywhere near that amount.
You have a nice day now, you hear.
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February 26, 2019 8:40pm
Swifty

I can see why our taxes need to go up:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/110834228/refugee-family-face-of-homelessness-problem-in-lower-hutt
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February 26, 2019 9:11pm
- nasska
  
  ……”When they had to move they found there were no options, despite Angie being nine months pregnant with their eighth child.”……
  
  ……” the property was not ideal.
  
  Ten people in a three-bedroom house with one toilet and and no dining area was difficult. The children all had colds and sore throats and the house was cold.
  
  The family want to return to Lower Hutt where there is a small South Sudanese community.”…….
  
  In between they’ve lived with some religious nuts for a while & WINZ has shouted them a month in a motel.
  
  No mention of travelling to work so we’ll safely discount the possibility that the bludger’s employed. They’re not refugees.
  
  They’re parasites!
  
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  February 26, 2019 9:26pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    “eighth child.”
    
    Sweet weeping Jesus.
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:30pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    What would their life be like in the Sudan?
    
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    February 26, 2019 9:31pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      They have turned it into one of the biggest shit holes on the planet, even by African standards. Its appalling.
      
      Clearly this lot did not suffer nearly enough and should be sent back.
      
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      February 26, 2019 9:37pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        You are so faux.
        
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        February 26, 2019 10:01pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Probably not personally but they seem to think their lot here is not commensurate.
        
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        February 26, 2019 10:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        From the south Sudan?
        
        That’s where the mobs causing problem in Melbourne come from.
        
        A family of seven kids. The UN would naturally give them priority for settlement in a Western country. The UN gives low priority in refugee resettlment for Middle East Christians, for Yazidis, and I haven’t heard of land-robbed Boer farmers being helped to resettle by the UN. Haven’t heard either of resettlement in the West of ethnic Russians or ethnic Ukrainians from the battle zone in Ukraine.
        
        The UN is run by the Third World. I hope Trump stops American cash propping it up.
        
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        February 26, 2019 11:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/383446/canadian-husband-of-whangarei-teacher-now-allowed-into-new-zealand

Wow, that was a quick turnaround of Immigration’s position.
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February 26, 2019 9:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

India launches air raids on Pakistani territory
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/02/pakistan-military-accuses-india-violating-airspace-190226040437318.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47366718
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February 26, 2019 9:58pm
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  And the Stephies aren’t here to brief us the decisive strategic factor. This is which way Stephiestan will jump if it comes to war between its Pakistan and Indian neighbours.
  
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  February 26, 2019 11:33pm
Rachael Membery

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Really, about history? The bits that I agree with of course, just like everybody else.
I have every bit of mongrel, hero, bastard through the English line that gave us the Magna Carta and back through William the Conqueror,and crown heads of Europe, in my DNA and I will own it, the enlightenment, the pushing back of the dark ages, the rebellion against the all powerful religion, and Royalty (wrong side of the War of the Roses), the people not the autocracy, despite other ancestors being the autocrat.
So in awe of my forbears, seemingly every historical figure of note. They are predominantly why we are where we are now. I like it, if you don’t, I don’t care.

I found university an enlightenment, possibly not quite the enlightenment that was intended, but an enlightenment all the same. I have whakapapa, and it is awesome.
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February 26, 2019 10:31pm
Viking2

So there is more in the CGT report than just CGT it seems.

The fund has also suggested international investors pay a concessionary tax rate of 14 per cent on profits made in New Zealand on unique signature infrastructure projects (instead of the 28 per cent corporate rate).

The Michael Cullen-led tax working group agrees and has recommended the Government considers the development of a carefully designed regime to encourage investment into large, nationally significant infrastructure projects that both “serve the national interest and require unique international project expertise to succeed”.

This is a purely political choice.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12207581

As with anything the labour Party does there is devil in the detail.
The detail needs scrutiny and what have the Nats done? Rush to the headline or do they agree with these other items?
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