General Debate 22 February 2019

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duggledog

So we’re all having a beer, discussing the CGT and one of the lads decides to have a go at those of us rich, multiple property-owning pricks sitting around and how it’s all unfair we get to make a bit of brass after dealing with risk, shit tenants, repairing what they break, paying tax on the rental income etc

I guess the resulting conversation was long overdue, so The Quiet One explains why we all have the $ to invest in property and he doesn’t:

A: We all got on the property ladder in our late 20s and paid off mortgages by 55
B: We all married / partnered well
C: We all worked hard and continuously since we were teenagers
D: All our kids are, or are about to be, independent and fending for them selves.

Tells him the reason he doesn’t have the money to invest is because:

A: He mucked around in his 20s doing useless degrees
B: He made a succession of very poor life decisions in his 30s
C: Spent any money he made on cars, partying and overseas travel
D: Left it way too late to have kids

Also explained none of us were particularly smart or adept at investing, just patient and resilient.
Also none of us are smart or brave enough to play the stock market.
Also explained no amount of CGT or Kiwibuild or Kiwisaver will help him.

What made it worse was when one of the other guys explained that when all the dust had settled we would all be buying cheap properties, all ready for the next boom, along with the Chinese or whatever nationality has $ to burn

He stormed out.

Thought for the day: If you have little kids, read them the classics – over and over if necessary. Start with Aesop’s Fables
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February 22, 2019 8:00am
- Jules99
  
  The landlord next to me has been working on the property every weekend for a month, Sat and Sun, and many nights after 10pm to improve the property. He has a day job, so it’s a hard slog for him. Wife and son have been there too, doing the hard yards, so the idea that he is just sitting on his backside watching the money roll in is nonsense. I happen to know that the last tenant was a problem, so I think he’s wanting to attract a better quality of person.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:08am
  - ztev
    
    For every one like that , theres 10 who do nothing.
    remember Hoskings rant about the bad landlords for houses rented at over $2K per week( the air cond wasnt fixed) at the bottom end the rats run riot.
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:08pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Did you mention to him the part where houses used to cost 3-4 times yearly income and now they cost 10times?
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:17am
  - BassilFawlty
    
    That’s the chestnut trotted out relentlessly, it doesn’t take account of the fact that interest rates are the lowest in my living memory.
    The value of the house is only one piece of the puzzle.
    Here is an example; my first home was purchased in 2000, mortgage interest rates were about 9% at the time, the average hourly rate of pay was about $16 per hour. To service the mortgage it would have taken about 75% of the gross income of a single person on the average wage. Now mortgage interest rates are about 4% and average hourly rate of pay is about $32 per hour. The same house (the actual same house), at today’s valuation, would now take about 85% of the gross income of a single person on the average wage.
    It’s more costly, but not nearly as alarming as this “x yearly income” bullshit. It’s closer to 10% more expensive than it was in 2000, not 60-70% as this dodgy measurement would have us all believe.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:10am
    - Chris R
      
      I recall first interest rates being between 18-22% in the late 1980s now the first home-buyers complain if they can’t get a rate lower than 3.9% so if house prices have tripled interest rates have been decimated 6 fold.
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:21am
      - MH
        
        and then they introduced another G string called GST.
        
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        February 22, 2019 12:23pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      Until interest rates rise. If and when that happens, you are stuffed at current mortgage levels.
      
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      February 22, 2019 10:18am
- Simon
  
  Sick greedy fuck Cullen says its the landlord that causes house price increases and CGT is a way of leveling the playing field.
  
  House value increases are caused by low interest rates, open doors immigration, land supply restrictions, complicated planning rules & 15% GST charged on new builds.
  
  We can all agree Cullen & Labo are sick fucks waging class warfare determined to shit over the productive and further entrench welfare with additional “benefit transfers”.
  
  But where does this leave the Natz? Has there ever been a more passive leader of Natz than Simong Bridges? He needs to get off his arse.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:21am
- Local Miller
  
  Did you mention to him that interest rates used to be 12% to 20% not not the 4-5% they are now?
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:23am
  - ztev
    
    yes . The property market moves in cycles , before RMA , regardless of interest rates, immigration, supply of new homes , before GST.
    Its easy bank credit and a rush ‘to avoid missing out’
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:12pm
- Universal Smith
  
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  duggledog, good on you and you deserve what you have earned. However, that should not extend to having tax free income from your investments. You should pay a reasonable tax the same as everyone else.
  
  Yes I know there are those riddled with envy and jealousy who want to punish your success. That fact does not take away merit from a sensible tax on income.
  
  I doubt the final tax laws will be that bad as too many Labour/Green people invest in residential property – rather than the productive sector. It is a different story when socialism uses their money rather than everyone else’s.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:40am
  - hullkiwi
    
    But there is.
    1. Investments are in most case made with money or debt on the investments is paid for with after tax income.
    2. Share income ie dividends are taxed when the company makes a profit.
    3. There is no allowance for inflation, if you make an investment in 2019, your real capital gain is the amount of gain after inflation, otherwise your capital has lost value and you might as well just spend it today.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:53am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Tax on tax every time the income is transferred over, Company pays on its profit, pays dividend which is also taxed from the recipients’ income. The recipient pays rates using his tax paid income that has GST on it etc., etc., buys food, etc., that has GST added. Clothing etc., everywhere you turn tax of some sort is added.
      No problem with people paying tax on their income, or ALTERNATIVELY a consumer tax on what they spend not both. Company’s should pay tax on their profits.
      A consumer tax generally captures most people, the drug dealer who pays no income tax still buys, and they do love those flash cars etc.,
      
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      February 22, 2019 10:14am
      - Ed Snack
        
        You obviously don’t understand company tax imputation.
        
        If a company makes a profit and pays out a dividend then that dividend is declared at the gross value and includes the payout plus a tax imputation amout. The shareholder takes the gross dividend as income and pays tax at their marginal rate on that but gets the imputation credit as a credit on the tax they owe. So any tax paid by the company is credited against what they pay.
        
        So in NZ at least. company income is only taxed once in hands of shareholders. This has the benefit that if the company indulges in schemes to reduce the tax it pays as a company, it reduces imputation credit, and the shareholder has to pay tax on any payout. This reduces the demand for tax avoidance schemes as the income is taxed at some point.
        
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        February 22, 2019 11:21am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Ed, I agree. Much effort was made in the 1980s to ensure there was not double dipping on taxable income. Hence the mechanism for imputing tax on company profits paid as dividends.
        
        But the real issue with the Tax Working Group was always that its purpose and recommendations are as confused as the minds of the two people (Ardern & Robertson) who set this hard running.
        
        Instead of being honest & calling it as it is, which is a tax take for government, we get the following:
        1. “It is about making housing affordable & not locking first time buyers out of the housing market”
        
        Bulls**t
        
        2. “It is about fairness”
        
        Bullsh**t, WTF is fairness when it comes to tax?
        
        3. “CGT is about reducing the gap between rich & poor” – James Shaw.
        
        Bullsh**t, when did NZ become a communist state, with the govt determining how much wealth a citizen is entitled to before they deem it to much?
        
        Then we get the stupidity of the TWG findings.
        1. Were is the “fairness” in exempting one class of residential home, but making another type subject to CGT?
        
        2. How are they going to value the goodwill and IP of businesses when sold. As the value of such intangibles is fleeting, especially they reflect the knowledge/goodwill of the owner and they disappear the minute the owner hands over the keys.
        
        3. NZ is a small economy and has had a history of being poor at converting good ideas into successful businesses. The proposals from the TWG will only further encourage Kiwis to take their bright ideas abroad, which means loss of business opportunities in NZ, and loss of employment opportunities in NZ.
        
        Lefties, you would do well to note the comments of Peter Beck of Rocket Labs, a $1bn business employing 350 people.
        
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        February 22, 2019 12:52pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      hullkiwi, all good points. But this is not a case of choosing one extreme or the other. I actually think most of the suggested changes are bad, but closing the loophole for property I am okay with. IF it is done right and fairly.
      
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      February 22, 2019 2:09pm
  - MickMac
    
    Universal dipstick, he pays tax on his income…..
    
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    February 22, 2019 3:12pm
- dubya
  
  Hear hear. I mucked around until my mid 20s but got back on the straight and narrow and did a degree in construction management, and now have a few hundred thousand in the bank/investments at 32. I’ve decided not to have children to help make up for the wasted years, and help me retire in my 50s with passive income. All about playing the long game. Simply taxing others to buggery won’t get you your own home.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Have kids. Hard workers who don’t have their heads up their arse make the best parents and are essential to keeping NZ strong going forward. Don’t outsource production of the next generation to baby farmers.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:26am
    - dubya
      
      I see your point, but I’m happily single and not looking, so it’s unlikely to happen.
      
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      February 22, 2019 10:24am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I’d join with UN, you’ll never know what you are missing out on. It will no doubt impact your wealth accumulation, but what you get from children far outweighs that.
        
        I was a late starter and thought I’d never want children, but one regret I have now is that I didn’t start earlier and have more – rather ran out of time after the first two.
        
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        February 22, 2019 11:24am
- Harriet
  
  “…..Also none of us are smart or brave enough to play the stock market…..”
  
  He is right – you aren’t smart – or brave!
  
  As housing IS a passive investment, and besides, list the name of a publicly listed company where the majority of their business is the purchase and reselling of residential houses/units. Real estate transaction companies don’t count. See? – business don’t invest directly into the housing market so it is a passive investment in NZ. 😎
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:22pm
- wreck1080
  
  Unfortunately, a CGT hits people like you the most.
  
  Those who must pay a CGT but did not enjoy lower income tax rates in their earlier working years.
  
  It is a fairly large hole in the CGT, where there are some more affected than others.
  
  Good you didn’t invest in the sharemarket, after all, you get taxed on that while in property you don’t!
  
  Although, I don’t see a repeat of the last decades house price gains again… interest rates are more likely to increase, governments have already printed huge amounts of money and debt is very high. Also, NZ has put hurdles for foreign buyers.
  
  Who knows though, just my guess.
  
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  February 22, 2019 2:59pm
SJ Actual

Hooton says that there is a deal on the table whereby Labour will reduce the mmp threshold from 5% to 4% in exchange for Winston supporting the CGT.

That’s the most cynical of politics (Winston’s specialty).

Can only hope the public will see it for what it is (as per the 10 bridges in Northland) and it will end up being counter productive.

https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/1098644277070942208
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February 22, 2019 8:02am
- DigNap15
  
  I would not be surprised!
  Bastards!
  But they’d need to reduce it to 3%.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:09am
  - Colinxy
    
    I laughed the other day when someone said Winston supporting the CGT would make him a bold faced liar.
    
    Lying and Winston Peters goes together like fish and chips.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:13am
    - sooty
      
      JacinDUH and Karl Surbitch!
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:25am
    - macdee
      
      served by Cindy
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:43am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      So that is why he found a home with Jacinda, the former chip server from Morrinsville.
      
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      February 22, 2019 10:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember all this, except what the Drug Party Greens slip through, does not come in until after the election if the COL is reelected.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:47am
- MCos
  
  I think she’d rather crank the level up a bit.
  The blackmail effect would be the same and National would probably come on board with that idea.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:09am
- srylands
  
  Any changes to the electoral system should need a referendum. What other country messes about with its electoral system for political purposes? No doubt ztev will know the answer.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:11am
  - MCos
    
    That’s why I oppose the cannabis referendum.
    If adjustments are obviously required to legislation which has previously been approved in a binding referendum, is another referendum required and what happens if the result is negative?
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:26am
  - Local Miller
    
    Venezuela?
    South Africa?
    North Korea?
    Any of a host of strongly socialist countries 😉
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:28am
    - kowtow
      
      Doesn’t matter where or which , the Permanent Political Classes always look after themselves.
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:04am
  - howzit
    
    Unfortunately those laws never made it in to our electoral act and so the CoL can change the threshold. It is a double edged sword as it does make it easier for the New Conservitives and the Sustainability party to reach the magic mark too.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:48am
- Happychappy
  
  I think you will find that even some of Winston’s loyal supporters will say that is a step to far and the farmers for one will leave him in charge droves. Winston now is trying to make out people are greedy and are all about themselves so this is the pot calling the kettle black and right against what NZ First is supposed to stand for, interesting times ahead for Winston and his selfish policy.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:24am
  - Local Miller
    
    Does Winston have enough supporters for them to “leave in droves”?
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:30am
    - holysheet
      
      Yes. We see them slowly outing themselves here on KB. All the befuddled and deluded tossers are still out there.
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:45am
      - stigie
        
        But they will still vote Winston because he is smart you see !~
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:17am
      - lifesgood
        
        Also outing themselves as Whaleoil acolytes. Idiots!
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:20am
    - pdm
      
      LM]
      
      Too late – more than half of them have already left.
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:47am
    - Blackbob
      
      Probably more a “Drove” singular.
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:47am
      - sooty
        
        What’s NZlast membership numbers?
        Do the have to prove enough numbers?
        
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        February 22, 2019 12:51pm
- Local Miller
  
  He does say it’s speculation, but then I’d not be surprised if it’s true.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:25am
- Yvette
  
  This echoes the claim that Ardern, Shaw and Winston decided the ban on gas and oil exploration, without it going anywhere near Cabinet initially.
  
  Winston supposedly horse-traded Green support for his paranoid waka-jumping bill in return for him supporting the ban, allowing Ardern’s virtual signalling just prior to her trip to Europe and the UK.
  
  “I am a man of principles, and my first principle is flexibility”
  or
  “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them … well, I have others” ― Groucho Marx .
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:30am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s fucking corruption. We get lumbered with a CGT so that Winston gets his baubles. Fuck that.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:07am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Oh please let this be true, we would consign NZF to history, and Labour can go back to being a 23% party again!
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:50am
Viking2

Individual responsibility not collectivism on either end of politics..
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February 22, 2019 8:02am
- Happychappy
  
  Here is Winston on focus this morning.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=280
  He seems to be backtracking already.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:23am
  - Happychappy
    
    Here is the right link.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/video.cfm?c_id=280&gal_cid=280&gallery_id=203840
    Does anyone know why the delete is not working.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:30am
  - Yvette
    
    Off the back of the CGT, [Winston] can get above 5 per cent, again secure the balance of power, then put a stop to the CGT in coalition with either Labour or National. – Matthew Hooton
    
    However, to have CGT law passed – but embargoed until post-2020 Election – won’t Winston and New Zealand First have to vote it in to start with?
    
    Meanwhile, the great general “unwashed” voterage is to sort this out in their minds and also understand similarly embedded cannabis legislation, which the referendum will ask them in whatever question wording, to validate or not.
    
    But wait – there will be more …
    In Ardern’s “year of delivery”, there will also be whatever else can be transferred into laws to be eliminated post-Election.
    Just as well they are at last paying some attention to mental health …
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:51am
NK

The CGT is actually 50% if you consider a capital investment over 10 years and inflation of 2% over that time – 10 x 2% = 20% + CGT of 33% on realisation = 53%!!!
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February 22, 2019 8:03am
- Colinxy
  
  Government greed is boundless.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:09am
  - freethinker
    
    Labour Government Greed is boundless there fixed it for you.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:14am
  - kowtow
    
    As is this govts’ stupidity ……oil and gas ban to cost billions.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:15am
    - DigNap15
      
      Its not stupidity. (although the decision is stupid)
      Its all about the Greens and looking good and feeling good and doing our bit for Climate Change.
      And getting a place in the UN etc.
      They know exactly what they are doing.
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    So is voter stupidity….
    
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    February 22, 2019 11:02am
    - Universal Smith
      
      Simon is smug.
      
      He will never be PM.
      
      People hate him. Fact.
      
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      February 22, 2019 2:18pm
- hullkiwi
  
  NK, it is worse than that as inflation compounds. So for your capital over 10 years to standstill the formula is
  
  $X *((1.02^10) + 33%)
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:22am
- Paulus
  
  Does the CGT attract GST as well ?
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:48am
  - wreck1080
    
    Is a tax a good or service?
    
    There you go!
    
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    February 22, 2019 3:03pm
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Oh dear, just as we thought trump had set the new standard for pughing, judy colly goes one step further

Self awareness: priceless. For everything else, there’s mastercard
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February 22, 2019 8:03am
- Woz
  
  All the idiots having a go at Collins seem to understand the CGT as nothing more than a crack at greedy landlords. They have no idea how insidious and far reaching the CGT would be, and how it affects everyone.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:13am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The lack of awareness is incredible. The multimillion dollar homes in Auckland or Wellington are left untouched, but the million dollar lifestyle block gets hammered. To any lefty, where is your fairness there. Many lifestyle blocks are no more than the price of the average home in Auckland, yet they have to provide their own water and sewerage systems (all of which cost money to operate) plus when the power fails (as occured this morning & last Saturday) a back up power source to keep the essentials working.
    
    Robertson & Shaw talk about a tax system that gives fairness they wouldn’t know where to begin.
    
    Jones this morning indicated that NZF will need to talk to provincial NZ over the next 6 to 8 weeks. This is exactly where to hit them, irrespective of what the final CGT proposal looks like. National must smash NZF with it because they are part of a Labour/Green government.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:34am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I wonder if this is why Jones is so worried about a CGT; all those house…
      
      Hon Shane Jones (NZ First, List)
      4 Beneficial interests in, and trusteeships of, trusts
      Te Puna Trust (trustee)
      Hihi Trust (trustee)
      6 Real property
      House, Tai Tokerau
      Family home (joint property), Kerikeri
      Houses (x2), Mangonui, Tai Tokerau
      House, Mill Bay, Tai Tokerau
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:58am
      - holysheet
        
        Yeah but if you look at their locations, they are not worth much. Shit hole houses in shit hole areas. At the most, total value of one house in Auckland
        
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        February 22, 2019 9:14am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        A lot of Maori Trusts which will be Maori owned land multiple owners a minefield, but then don’t expect any land sold by Maori to have CGT on it any time soon.
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:17am
      - Pascal
        
        Isn’t there racially preferential treatment in the CGT recommendation?
        
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        February 22, 2019 11:42am
    - Komata
      
      HK@0834
      
      But does Simon actually WANT to smash NZF?
      
      I ask that as he gives little indication that he wants to do anything but have a quiet life; ‘Aggression’ is evidently not one of his skillsets.
      
      Methinks he is a Phleg’.
      
      (Just saying).
      
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      February 22, 2019 12:19pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Komata, National have to take the 2008 Key line of “No negotiations with NZ First and Winston”. Anything less runs the risk of 2017.
        
        It is all very well people claiming they felt let down by Winston going with Labour & being disappointed about the backsliding on traditional NZF policy stances, but Winston has form for his double standards.
        
        There are two things National need to state loud and clear:
        
        1. Vote for any other party, you get a Labour government; and
        
        2. The only way to guarantee a National government is 2 ticks blue!
        
        National must have policy and campaign that demonstrates there are clear dividing lines between National and the CoL parties. Anything less and we’ll get more of the same.
        
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        February 22, 2019 1:15pm
  - Ross12
    
    Do all these people , like Gareth Hughes, think this is just going to affect properties? The proposal is for all assets & businesses. So in their effort to try to reign in the rental property business and redirect investment to other business activities they have made those options less attractive as well. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:50am
    - Colinxy
      
      “Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.”
      
      It’s probably not. Poor people tend to vote for Labour. By keeping everyone poor and dependent on the State, they lock in power.
      
      The idea of people having financial independence is anathema to them.
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:50am
- pentwig
  
  marment
  you poor envious, jealous thing you
  boo hoo
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:33am
Jimmy

Second (possibly) to farmers, the next biggest losers in the capital gains tax bollocks are surely NZDF servicemen and women.

Getting posted around the country every three or four years, if any of them rent out their house in their former location for even a year or two before selling, now get stung with a great big tax bill.

Especially considering how run down and dilapidated our almost non-existent Defence housing stock is now, who’d be stupid enough to continue serving in the armed forces?
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February 22, 2019 8:08am
- peterwn
  
  Same with our diplomats when posted overseas. Even Winston could be affected if he gets London or Washington.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:20am
- SJ Actual
  
  Good point.
  
  The CGT also stops people buying a house they can afford, then stepping up the ladder over time when they can afford it.
  
  When I lived in the UK the stamp duty had the same effect of locking poorer people in poorer areas. Perhaps that’s what Labour wants…
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:26am
  - Woz
    
    You might be right. If there were no more poor and disaffected people, who would support Labour? Their self-interest lies in keeping the poor poor.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:48am
  - marcw
    
    It also has the effect of stopping older people stepping down from their 3 – 4 bedroom family home to a smaller 2 bedroom retirement home. Nett result – fewer family homes available for younger generations to occupy.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:41am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Look at Navy housing for example. A few years ago, the Navy had over 500 houses available in the North Shore/Devonport area. Then the flats at Wakakura Cres were sold off, now being turned in to a retirement village. Left the Navy with about 400 houses.
  Then the Narrow Neck housing area was bowled, and the Navy Housing Stock dropped to less than 400 houses.
  Then, in order to placate Ngati Whatua, large tracts of naval housing in Devonport were returned to iwi.
  Naval housing is currently at less than 200 houses.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:56am
  - MH
    
    and still many are empty.
    
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    February 22, 2019 12:34pm
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      The empty houses are those already handed back to Ngati Whatua mostly, the waiting list for naval Housing is quite significant, and the tenancies are time limited, with a maximum tenancy of 6 years, and this is cumulative across all defence housing! So if you spend three years in one location, then post and spend three years in another, then that’s your lot!
      
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      February 22, 2019 1:02pm
- toby1845
  
  There is another huge group of losers from this: people (mainly women) who provide home-based childcare for the likes of Bernados and Porse in their own family homes. Under this proposal, their ‘family home’ will be treated as a business.
  
  There are 70,000 such workers in NZ at least half of whom will be working from their own homes!
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Amy Adams performs well under nasty personal questioning from Guyon Espiner about her property portfolio.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018683615/tax-proposals-an-attack-on-the-kiwi-way-of-life-national
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February 22, 2019 8:08am
- srylands
  
  I’m so pleased I don’t listen to that shit radio programme any longer. Much better to start the day with some Mahler.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:13am
- oldgolfer
  
  Yes she did. Impressive.
  And she gave Espiner a serve, which he deserved,
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:17am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And it was also pleaseing to see Amy take my advice here last week and ditch those ‘old granny’ glasses. The new specs make her look 10 yrs yonger!
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:24am
- lifesgood
  
  What a loathsome little scum bag that Espiner (I’m sooooo jealous) is.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:32am
- mic
  
  God that Guyon is a dick! Insinuating that Amy Adams didn’t pay taxon her investments. She rebutted him very well.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:38am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Guyon Espiner is a total cock. Well argued by Amy Adams. AXE the TAX
  
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  February 22, 2019 6:48pm
Yvette

Future of Tax
Final Report Volume I

2 Frameworks for assessing tax policy
9. He Ara Waiora draws on four tikanga principles: manaakitanga (care and respect); kaitiakitanga (stewardship/guardianship); whanaungatanga (the relationships/connections between us); and ōhanga/whairama (prosperity). These principles support the preservation and sustainable development of the four capitals of the Living Standards Framework.

14. … A discussion paper on the future development of He Ara Waiora will be released to keep the public informed on this progress.

15. The process around He Ara Waiora is only just beginning. The Group looks forward to seeing how this work influences policy over time. https://taxworkinggroup.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2019-02/twg-final-report-voli-feb19.pdf
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Recalibrating the Budget for wellbeing
Budget 2018 is the last of its kind. The Minister of Finance has said 2019 will see the first “wellbeing Budget”, perhaps a world first for New Zealand, and definitely a significant departure from current Budget orthodoxy.

… At this stage, the Government has signalled in Budget 2018 that Budget 2019 will broaden the focus beyond economic and fiscal policy by using the Treasury’s Living Standards Framework to inform the Government’s investment priorities and funding decisions
https://www2.deloitte.com/nz/en/pages/2018-government-budget/articles/public-sector-2018-new-zealand-budget.html
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“… all I ask is by this time next year that we all know the articles of the Treaty of Waitangi” – Sonny Tau

So, was the PM’s ignorance of the Treaty something she should be criticised for? Definitely, according to Heather du Plessis-Allan. She says, “the country’s leaders have headed up to Waitangi to try to look woke around race relations. But, if you are aiming to look woke, you better be woke” – see: Jacinda Ardern should have been able to recite the Treaty.

“… She’s responsible for the entire apparatus of government. She also needs to show depth. Her failure to know Article One reinforces a sense of shallowness that goes hand-in-hand with celebrity status” – Rodney Hide
https://eveningreport.nz/2019/02/11/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-fixing-treaty-ignorance-in-politics-and-schools/

Sometimes ‘God’ will give you exactly what you wanted
just to show you it’s not at all what you needed.
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February 22, 2019 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  CGT will exclude Maori and special Charities
  eg Sanitarium.
  Maori have something like 3,500 of them on the list I have seen.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:51am
- Ross12
  
  Yvette
  How long to you think we’ll have to wait to hear people, like those very vocal, female Green MPs , say the proposals are racist because Iwi will get a preferential CGT rate ? sarc/
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:55am
  - Yvette
    
    Ross12
    If portions of the Tax Working Group’s report are an indication, the up-coming Well-being Budget will use some similar background “justifications” – drawsing on four tikanga principles: manaakitanga (care and respect); kaitiakitanga (stewardship/guardianship); whanaungatanga (the relationships/connections between us); and ōhanga/whairama (prosperity).
    
    It will be interesting to see how Winston’s Coalition tries to sell this whole deal, drawing on racist (one ethnic group’s beliefs favoured over another) cultural misappropriation when those most closely connected to this cultural background are continually represented by the same coalition (and indeed Government assumption for decades, if not forever, so far) as featuring in the lower extremes of every social statistic that you can think of.
    
    Sadly – not sarc
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:13am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      So, let me get this straight.
      
      1. Maori want kaitiakitanga, and
      2. They want the rest of us to pay for it…
      
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      February 22, 2019 1:05pm
- MickMac
  
  Jacinda is a liar
  
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  February 22, 2019 3:24pm
Padriv Ustoev

Baby boomers and Chinese immigrants will be most effected by proposed CGT.
Prove me wrong.
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February 22, 2019 8:11am
- Jimmy
  
  See my comment above regarding NZDF pers, who own one home, get posted to a new (more expensive location), rent out their old home while saving for a new home, get stung with a tax bill.
  
  This is a very commmon scenario in the armed forces. Labour would have no idea of this because they have never had anyone serve in the NZDF for a long long time now.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  Chinese immigrants will continue to buy up our housing stock .
  They want their bolt hole established , even at what we’d consider a high price . They like tangible assets , like gold and property , it’s cultural and historical.
  
  What might happen( if it isn’t already ) is NZers will off load their rental investments , Chinese , of whom there’s literally an endless supply , will continue to migrate here and buy will become owner occupiers and our rental market already streched will get even worse for NZ renters , the very people Labour / Greens pretend to be “helping”.
  
  Labour / Green, fuck knuckles since forever.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:22am
  - marcw
    
    As already happens, the ‘bolt holes’ will be secured, and left empty. More chaos in the rental industry.
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:01am
- peterwn
  
  The kids of baby boomers will be affected – it will rip a chunk out of their inheritance. The baby boomers most affected would be the ones needing to run down assets to meet living costs.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:25am
DigNap15

Why didn’t the Tax Working Group look at any other taxes?
Eg Financial Transaction tax
Or a Flat Tax system
Or no PAYE and all GST.
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February 22, 2019 8:11am
- rangitoto
  
  They were just following instructions.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:22am
- KevOB
  
  PAYE and GST are where the money is. CGT is commie adjustment mood tax of unknown but beautiful numbers like $8bn / 5 years. It also allows to omit friendly collectors.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:28am
- peterwn
  
  Financial transaction tax is a turkey. It would be an irritating little tax showing up on everyones’ bank statements. However anyone doing major transactions will structure things to avoid it. For example the sale and purchase of a house and dealing with the mortgages could mean 4 or 6 lots of FTT for the total deal.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:30am
  - DigNap15
    
    I was just using it as an example of wyh the Tax Working Group should have been called the Cullen Payback Working Group or
    The Capital Gains Tax Workgin Group.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:42am
  - KevOB
    
    There are ways to make it almost unavoidable but unfortunately it can’t be easily collected offshore. Also it could be counted multiple times. GST avoids that with the tax being levied on the difference between outputs and inputs.
    
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    February 22, 2019 4:56pm
- Viking2
  
  Because that isn’t Cullens communist mindset.
  Cullen, Savage, Corbyn, Arden Marxist communists.
  Even Putin is right wing alongside them
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:32am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Mark on TV3 referred to Cullen as “Carl Marx”.
    Easy mistake! ?
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:08am
- tom1980
  
  “Why didn’t the Tax Working Group look at any other taxes?”
  
  Because the ‘experts’ are bought and paid for duh
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:38am
  - marcw
    
    Not all of them tom, 3 who have real world experience and are not motivated by petty malice have issued a dissenting opinion document. The loser COL will of course ignore them – not what they wanted.
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:05am
- MCos
  
  GST currently accounts for about half the tax take of PAYE. If the latter was abolished GST would need to be set at around 50%min with at least 5% added in to make up for all the inevitable cash jobs.
  Someone who currently pays about 25% PAYE gets about $65 value out of every $100 they earn.
  That would go down to $50.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:00am
  - KevOB
    
    The combination is best: PAYE falls on earned income so there is money to pay it; GST is levied on actual current cash flow differences between business outputs and inputs as well as other consumption. Both of these are timely, come out of earnings (or nearly) and provide a steady economical flow of revenue.
    
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    February 22, 2019 5:03pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The TWG was a just a show for the media, part of a process to try and sell a CGT to the public. Any legislation introduced will be a watered down version of what the TWG presented – to pretend their was some measure of concession and compromise – but the details of what will be in that legislation were likely already figured out well before the TWG met for the first time.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:36am
- Ed Snack
  
  Well, as bad as a CGT may be, an FTT is much worse – it is a genuinely stupid idea. It was briefly tried in, I believe, Sweden – damaged businesses but relatively easily avoided and raised essentially nothing. So all cost and no benefit. Was promptly repealed.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:29am
- JeffW
  
  What??? The need is to control spending not to find further ways to hit the productive taxpayer.
  
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  February 22, 2019 2:03pm
kowtow

Warning confronting attitude and photo .

His missus burns the house down and he’s demanding another , quick sharp . Between him and his mate there’s nine children .

Global warming ain’t the issue , it’s third world breeders using up scarce resources and first world gubmints imposing them on their citizens.

‘ “I don’t want to outstay my welcome, because they are helping me. He thought it would be a few days,” Mr Aldeen said.”

You already have matey.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/wait-accommodation-stressful
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February 22, 2019 8:11am
- Woz
  
  Far out. The fucking entitlement.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:16am
  - kiwiracer
    
    Wait until we are inundated with these people due to the UN migration pact.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:24am
    - Komata
      
      KR@0824
      
      Because this is what such people have ben lead to expect!!
      
      Members of one ethnic group I have had contact with over the years, arrived in NZ as refugees and were quite convinced that they were going to be housed and fed and have everything provided for them by a grateful govenment!
      
      They were, lets say, a tad ‘aggrieved’ to discover, on arrival in NZ, that this was not in fact the case.
      
      Not sure what our Embassies are putting about, but for such people to arrive here with these well-held expecations, would seem to indicate that whatever it is is not actually correct.
      
      Perhaps some re-education of Embassy staff is required?
      
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      February 22, 2019 12:54pm
      - MickMac
        
        thats what they got in Germany, Norway and Sweden.
        Why not elsewhere??
        
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        February 22, 2019 3:29pm
- holysheet
  
  That the way to increase your customer base. Come across as a wanker who is entitled to everything. When do you want it?
  I want it now!!!!!
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  One of stephie’s 500, already creating shit.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:06am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  It is not Aldeen’s home, the house belongs to the NZ Taxpayer
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:22am
- kowtow
  
  Housing crisis , what housing crisis , slap me with a moldy turnip and colour me flabbergasted , Abdul’s already got a house waiting for ‘im……….
  
  ‘The agency also found a suitable three-bedroom house for the family, which would be ready in three to four weeks.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/home-found-family-after-fire
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:26am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Why do we owe that supremacist anything? Oh, and will HNZ be recovering the cost of his damage to our house?
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:42am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Has a business with plans to open another branch.
  Greedy Capitalist Bastard!
  Tax the living beejeezuz out of him quick smart.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:34am
- noskire
  
  Mr Aldeen owns a barber business in Princes St.
  
  You would need rocks in your head to allow that bastard to stand behind you with a razorblade.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:19am
  - Longknives
    
    How does he get a State House if he owns his own business??
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:56am
    - Komata
      
      LK@1056
      
      ‘Friends’?
      
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      February 22, 2019 12:56pm
holysheet

A woman has just done her shopping and is taking a shortcut home through the park. Suddenly a man jumps out of the bushes, opens his raincoat and exposes himself.

The woman takes a deep breath, looks down at her shopping bags, slaps her palm to her forehead and says:

“Fucking knew it! I forgot the shrimps!”
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February 22, 2019 8:12am
BananaLlama

Lefties getting destroyed on Stuff by working New Zealanders. 🙂
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February 22, 2019 8:16am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Link please. I avoid stuff but I am happy to peruse the comments to get a feel of what average readers are feeling. But I don’t want to spend more time than necessary on that shit site.
  
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  February 22, 2019 6:54pm
Maggie Pie

Sat down and watched ‘Question Time’ yesterday. There was a couple of things that were quite disturbing. The first was how ‘pale and gaunt’ Stu Nash is looking. I first noticed it during Q10 when Mania rose to her feet and Stu was sitting next to her. He really should see a doctor.

Then there was Megan Wood. When she stand up to answer Q11, I couldn’t help but think just how ‘ill-fitting’ her jacket was. Honestly, she really needs to find a new dressmaker.
If you want, you can check them both out on parliments website latest vids
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February 22, 2019 8:19am
- holysheet
  
  It’s a lack of “lawnmowers” that’s the problem with these liabours fuckwits.
  “lawnmower” withdrawal has that affect on you.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:29am
  - sooty
    
    Maybe Megan Woods has been on a diet?
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:35am
    - RF
      
      I was baby sitting our niece whilst watching a re run of parliamentary question time and Woods was standing to reply to a question.
      
      Niece suddenly commented…. “look at Miss Piggy.”
      
      From the mouths of babes.
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:49am
      - Longknives
        
        The Minister of Sausage Rolls..
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:56am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      here we go sooty.
      
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=205142
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:49am
      - lifesgood
        
        God she’s fat!
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:37am
    - ldypen
      
      Yep. down to eight pies a day…doing well!
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:55am
      - sooty
        
        Has she done a stomach staple?
        
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        February 22, 2019 9:31am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Does she have some highly stressful stuff going on in her personal life?
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:39am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Maybe she should take her family camping somewhere….
        
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        February 22, 2019 9:59am
      - Poppa
        
        Yes I think so
        
        I think it could come to a head next month
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:00am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Stress can have the same effect.
      
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      February 22, 2019 10:27am
- kowtow
  
  Perhaps Smash Em Up Nash needs to stay off the ‘roids.
  
  What I found disturbing was Cullen’s contemptuous attitude to people with more property than him .
  
  “The ordinary middle-income, middle-class ‘average hard-working Kiwi’ does not have an expansive bach at Omaha Beach,”
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:30am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes I have also noticed that Stuart Nash is not looking well.
  As for Megan Wood, as far as I am concerned all the Labour MP’s should keep their ill fitting op shop clothes.
  It will remind people of their low standards!
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:45am
  - holysheet
    
    They will need them when they get the arse at the next election. It’s all they will be able to afford.
    
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    February 22, 2019 8:51am
- waikatogirl
  
  I agree about Stuart Nash Maggie, I said to hubby he is not looking well. Getting that haunted look in his eyes and his suit is ill-fitting across the shoulders.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, Im right with you there WG.
    Back when Nashie was in opposition i always thort he looked like sex on a stick!
    In those days Whaleoil even nicknamed him ‘mangrove’ 🙂
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:47am
    - waikatogirl
      
      He’s never done it for me Maggie, a bit too much of a soyboy for me. Plus I detest his politics! ?
      
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      February 22, 2019 2:26pm
  - secondcumming
    
    So what was ‘mangrove’ all about?
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:53am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      @sc. i just asked my partner about that and he thought it was in reference to their roots. other than that i’ve no idea.
      
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      February 22, 2019 11:32am
      - SJ Actual
        
        Mangroves are known for their indiscriminate rooting system…
        
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        February 22, 2019 11:49am
jp_1983

Look at this squirrel
http://nzh.tw/12205834

The last time Client Liaison played here the Prime Minister almost threw up on them. This, it must be stressed, is not a comment on their music…..

….But it wouldn’t be surprising to learn that there’s a sitter organised for wee Neve and ‘Pick up an extra can of hairspray,’ is already checked off Adern’s ‘To Do’ list.
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February 22, 2019 8:25am
- Tall Man
  
  Another “vote for mummy ardern the liar” puff piece.
  
  “Payback 2020”.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:41am
  - Universal Smith
    
    Simon is gone. Remove his corpse. Simon is smug.
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:57am
    - Tall Man
      
      Perhaps you seem him as “smug” because you have an attitude.
      
      ardern the liar is smug..wynston the liar is smug, but you like them don’t you?
      
      Admit it, you have no answers just bullshit to give.
      
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      February 22, 2019 11:42am
      - Universal Smith
        
        Smug Simon.
        
        Never be PM.
        
        There is no god.
        
        Fact.
        
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        February 22, 2019 2:11pm
artemisia

The government has a whole bunch of chickens coming home to roost, as thousands of recommendations from working groups pour in. How are they going to form coherent policy from multiple, lobby group driven and inconsistent POVs.

Individual report recommendations may well be consistent internally and with their riding instructions. But tip them all in a bucket and it will be a nightmare to sort out what to accept, reject or attach dollars to.

The working groups will be seeing this as their big chance to put forward all the funding proposals they have ever thought of and failed to get approved.
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February 22, 2019 8:27am
- KevOB
  
  The working groups will provide the recommendations expected of them. Each will be lauded as making up the faux-neglect of the former actual Government which managed the previous GFC and earthquake disaster.
  The reports will be be suitably tailored so discrimination will not be required in their acceptance. Reading level 12 year old 80% accomplished.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:35am
  - artemisia
    
    Such a cynic KevOB. #metoo.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:52am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Payback 2020”.
      
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      February 22, 2019 10:39am
      - Universal Smith
        
        Smug Simon.
        
        2020 non-event.
        
        Never be PM.
        
        There is no god.
        
        Fact.
        
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        February 22, 2019 2:19pm
    - KevOB
      
      I have worked at that level and know the rules.
      
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      February 22, 2019 10:42am
All_on_Red

Meanwhile….
‘A UK-based energy firm has discovered what it describes as the highest ever levels of shale gas at a site in Nottinghamshire’
‘Energy giant Ineos said drill tests show readings in one area alone for enough shale gas to keep the whole country supplied for 29 years. The findings at the site in Tinker Lane near Barnby Moor are equivalent to a trillion dollars-worth of gas, significantly higher than at one of the biggest fracking locations in the US. Tom Pickering, chief operating officer of Ineos Shale, said the findings could be “significant” and “transformational for the UK economy”.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1090344/shale-gas-found-UK-nottinghamshire-fracking-Barnby-Moor-Ineos-IGas-Energy

Wow, so the UK will be self sufficient for gas, be able to provide cheap energy for their poor, and enable job creation from low energy costs. And do it for 30 years.
More sites are being explored and also look as promising.
They must really care about their people.
Not like our Govt.
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February 22, 2019 8:27am
- marcw
  
  All they have to do is to somehow ignore or stop the :
  Hippies who want to be earth worshippers
  C-grade actors who protest at the drop of a squirrel
  ‘Celebrities’ in their own mind living in gated communities who don’t want anyone else to be comfortably off
  Commie MP ideologues of Maduro’s solutions
  
  Too bad if workers or retired people can’t afford the heating in the coming ice age trending.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:17am
freethinker

What the COLL and that prime C**t Cullen fail to realize is that decisions are being made now that will be implemented later and irrespective of the eventual outcome of the TWG the impact will be felt and need addressing. Hint Rental properties will command higher rents due to supply diminishing and demand probably increasing.
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February 22, 2019 8:32am
- peterwn
  
  Labour will promise to address the housing issue in its 2020 campaign and those affected will fall for it.
  It is all down to sausages and sizzle. Just keep selling the sizzle, it does not matter if the sausages do not eventuate.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    You too can have a house!
    You will not have to sleep in the car!
    Yeah, right!
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:28am
fernglas

The worst hit will be those who don’t want to live in their own home, or can’t afford to buy one, but nevertheless can save for their retirement. Instead of a nice tax-free capital gain they will get pinged on their Kiwisaver investments for CGT. This tax actually discriminates against the poor in relative terms.
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February 22, 2019 8:34am
kowtow

What’s this going to cost ?

‘The government has pledged to ensure one million people in New Zealand are able to speak basic te reo Māori by 2040.’

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/383063/plan-to-have-1-million-people-speaking-te-reo-maori-by-2040
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February 22, 2019 8:35am
- sooty
  
  That’s going to be a gravy train for a few people!
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:38am
- BananaLlama
  
  Maori is a dying language sadly.
  No one does business in Maori and no one produces popular culture in Maori. Forcing people to speak it won’t arrest its decline.
  Maori being leaders in business and culture under their own enterprise would make people want to communicate in and learn the Maori language. Asking for hand outs requires that you speak the other persons language as they have something you want.
  It is why English is the most spoken language on the globe despite originating from an island the same size as NZ. English produced culture and trade that people wanted to be a part of while Maori will sadly stay stuck in the past.
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:47am
  - SJ Actual
    
    I don’t think you will find business being conducted in Maori any time soon.
    
    English has hundreds of years of legal history so that many words or terms have universally agreed meanings that can be consistently applied.
    
    In Malaysia there was a push to conduct business and legal matters in Malay rather than English. However the lack of agreed legal meanings for words has seen a return to the use of English given the number of disputes that arose.
    
    For this reason alone English will remain the best language for commerce.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:11am
    - septic skeptic
      
      It didn’t work out so well for NZ when they drew up the TOW in Maori, did it!
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:35am
      - Kabull
        
        It was drafted in English. As Maori didn’t have a written language it couldn’t have been drafted in that language.
        
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        February 22, 2019 12:18pm
      - Jack5
        
        Michael Reddell looks at Adrian Orr’s Maorification of the Reserve Bank.
        
        https://croakingcassandra.com/
        
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        February 22, 2019 7:45pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I guess this is part of the reason for changing school governance, so this can be rammed down the throats of all school children regardless of their wishes or those of their parents.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:39am
- DigNap15
  
  It would only take a few months for any intelligent person to learn Maori.
  If they wanted to.
  Most Maori don’t speak it in their daily lives.
  So please stop forcing it down our throats!
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:48am
- dime
  
  lol a million people?
  
  how did they arrive at that number? what was the science?
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:56am
  - sooty
    
    No! It was the feelz!
    Christ, shit a brick! They really are hopeless!
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:24am
- Swifty
  
  I distinctly recall, when Maori Television was being set up, (and with the squillions it took to do so) Labour politicians saying that this was essential to saving the language and that by setting it up all would be well in the garden.
  
  I saw recently that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars plowed into MT still bugger all people speak it, and now we’re being warmed up for it being compulsory in schools and now we have Maihi Karauna coming at who knows what cost.
  
  Let’s face it, it’s just a rort; it’s payola, a political bribe being used to win political support in the community and with our money.
  
  “The crown has a treaty obligation to keep the language alive” – horseshit, if people Maori and non-Maori want to learn it they are free to do so and at little cost to themselves. What the fuck it has got to do with the taxpayer is beyond me.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:03am
  - dime
    
    you know youre lazy when you cant even keep your own language alive!
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:17am
    - Swifty
      
      The Chinese and others managed it for decades and decades and without taxpayer support.
      
      As well as being taught in the home, every Saturday morning the kids were sent along to Chinese School for a few hours. A Chinese School and resources provided by the Chinese community and staffed with volunteers.
      
      Done.
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:49am
      - Tall Man
        
        Still done in many countries around the world.
        
        The problem with “state funding” is that it leads to “state intervention” and we are well aware how that turns out in education.
        
        Perhaps some of the “Iwi” settlements could be channelled into the establishment of some form of school that concentrates on difficult kids with a focus on maori values and language.
        
        Anybody a name for something like that…………..
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:33am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Has anyone tallied up the total for all the TOW settlements, payouts and payment for Maori establishments they have received over the past 30 years? It would be an interesting exercise. ? ? ?
    
    Edit, just read below. Snap!
    
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    February 22, 2019 2:39pm
- Yvette
  
  kowtow –What’s this going to cost?
  How much does it cost annually already?
  
  As much as I hate Winston’s Coalition following the Ardern “incompetency to make decisions” principle of shoving everything sideways into a working committee, I would still like to see such a working group inquire into what total taxpayer funds are annually devoted to the advancement of te reo, the Maori language – and what the funding is used for.
  
  Some sources place a figure of around $200 million a year, but I have seen estimates as high as $600 million!
  This includes the entire range – Maori television channels, everything.
  
  No one seems to actually know, and even less appears available saying what is actually done with the taxpayer funds spent on te reo.
  
  This should for once be properly documented before any more taxpayer funding is sent after what is already spent.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:44am
  - Swifty
    
    I’ve heard hundreds of millions annually – but whatever the cost it has clearly been a monumental failure!
    
    Labour pollies themselves were, before the election, decrying the fact that Maori speaker numbers were still abysmally low – pretty much unchanged over decades!
    
    So we’ve taken squillions out of taxpayer’s pockets and achieved nothing except make jobs for people in MT and all the associated ‘agencies’.
    
    What a bloody rort.
    
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    February 22, 2019 11:35am
  - Komata
    
    Yvette@0944
    
    ‘This should for once be properly documented before any more taxpayer funding is sent after what is already spent’.
    
    No chance; Maori money is like the wind; no one knows where it goes, but everyone has seen it as it went past!!
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:05pm
  - namron
    
    Does anyone know the viewing figures for Maori television?
    
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    February 22, 2019 2:00pm
- simpleton1
  
  It will be a massive leap in productivity, as measured by GDP.. kapa haka, huis. waiatas, karakia. etc.. Just keep up the chants and incantations for nice outcomes, as we convince the rest of the diverse immigrant community to join in. 🙂
  A real up grading of skills so that all can look up google in maori.
  
  Now for per capita of GDP, the well being is solved with a permanently increasing “living wage” so that a minimum wage will not be needed.
  
  NZ will be a rocket-ship example, “punching above its weight to the rest of the world. 🙂
  
  Will the rest of world weep at our “tangi” on a ‘rainy day’ ?
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:03am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And get their money out of a Westpac ATM wtf?
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:37am
- KevOB
  
  What are they going to talk about? Hus and kotis?
  
  A language not fit for general use in this present technical age will not be used. Promoting it would confuse or ruin English teaching as the grammar is very different.
  We may get an increased number of loan words added to English but their use would not be Maori but some disrespectful pidgin as in the head paragraph.
  Maori has an important place among its own people on their Marae. There it can reinforce identity and provide for retelling oral history and embodied property rights.
  The Elders in the 1930’s foresaw that Te Reo belonged to the Marae but it was not adequate when then their people moved into cities. Also that Te Reo could not educate their people for the future.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:00am
secondcumming

Feeling bored?

Do what I’ve just done, hire two Private Investigators and get them to follow each other.
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February 22, 2019 8:41am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Can you use that as a Tax Writeoff?
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:03am
Universal Smith

The tax ideas floated by Labour are a vote loser. This is good for National. Now they just need a popular leader and a few policies that give hope for the huddled masses.

If they arrogantly continue on as they are, while cuddling Simon’s political corpse, then failure is theirs for the taking.
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February 22, 2019 8:43am
- Dave Mann
  
  I agree about Bridges…. but honestly who is there in National who could stand up and grab the electorate’s attention and articulate a sense of hope and positivity?
  
  There must be someone amongst the party’s current MPs who is a confident likeable intelligent good speaker with a brain to match. Surely?
  
  It’s madness what is happening to our country. NZ is literally being destroyed in front of our eyes and the best ‘opposition’ to this is Simon Bridges? Really? Is this what we have come to?
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:05am
  - DigNap15
    
    As a two ticks blue guy…
    I was very disappointed in Johnathon Young’s performance in question time.
    he fumbled and had no hard hitting questions or comments.
    Yet this is a major issue Oil and Gas etc!
    
    Simon needs to have a talk to him.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:11am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I’ve been a two ticks blue guy too for the last few elections, but I’m buggered if I can see any hope anymore.
      
      I stuck with them through their gradual slide to the left and their abject capitulation to Maori separatism and privelige. When we lost our coastlines to the Maoris and the Nats callously ignored the anti smacking referendum I bit my tongue and held on because at least they were financially competent.
      
      Right now, though, I seriously think that the only hope for this country is either a totally new party devoted to fighting for genuine right-of-centre policies….. or an armed military coup.
      
      An armed military coup is probably not on the cards because we have virtually no armed forces anymore and those few that we do have are transsexual rainbow UN ‘peacekeepers’ who are fwightened when noisy guns go bang. So that option is off the table.
      
      Which leaves the first option. Any ideas? Any hope?
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:35am
      - Tall Man
        
        A vote for anyone other than your National MP and a party vote for National is a vote for labour.
        
        That is your only solution at this time so stop the anti Bridges campaign and continue with the anti ardern the liar and wynston the thief campaign.
        
        Any other action is counter productive for NZ.
        
        How old are you? FFS, you should be old enough to judge a leader by the policies they bring to the table and their effectiveness in Parliament. Simon Bridges ticks those boxes does he not?
        
        We need a leader not an evangelist or are you still smitten by stardust?
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:20am
      - LTA1955
        
        I wrote in RIGHTMINDS and on different tact here than your suggestions here Dave, but there are voting blocks here that would rise to the occasion if the right circumstances evolved.
        “I had the good fortunate to be in Switzerland back in the 80’s and discussed the pros and cons of their standing army with our friends there, and seeing the compulsory participation in action I could see how neutrality could work here. With 250,000 licensed firearms owners in this country, the leap to self defence and a standing citizens army of all ethnic descriptions makes complete sense. If Switzerland can provide a deterrent surrounded by hostile nations and survive, it has to make sense here. We have 1000 miles of water around us which is a very efficient moat. I think it’s our historical ties with other nations and our trade access that sustains our standard of living which potentially would suffer. The world has always viewed New Zealand as a paradise and sanctuary because of its remoteness. Why not adopt the Swiss logic, which to be honest is the only viable reality that we can construct to protect ourselves from any hostile invasion. It would galvinise this country into a real unity and sense of citizenship and does actually have meaning with participation in protecting our borders.
        Just note but pertinent to this discussion, ongoing and unchecked immigration into this country WILL create all the problems Western Countries around the world are experiencing. Question, do we get critical mass to stop it, or not?
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:34am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Candidate vote for National (if they are a good candidate) and party vote for a right wing coalition partner for National.
        The percentages are important Act only needed 1.5% of the party vote together with it’s Epsom seat and it would have provided the coalition partner that National needed. But people two ticked National. All about the percentages.
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:36am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Thank you, Tall Man, for entering into a rational debate. You’re not now insulting me by calling me a stupid left wing troll, so we’re making progress 😀
        
        I’m in my 70s and I understand that policies are important….. but this man Bridges just doesn’t communicate well with ordinary people or the media and the common man simply doesn’t like him.
        
        If he ever said or did anything remotely newsworthy (like punching a reporter who is interfering with his fishing or making a passionate well articulated speech on race relations) that would be a start. But honestly, with 5% approval rating and being largely ignored by the media this guy’s going nowhere fast.
        
        I don’t really care what he does with his career. But what I do care about is that he is taking the National Party as well as the future of our country down the drain along with him.
        
        There has to be a ‘young turks’ type coup from within the National Party which reveals a hitherto unknown fresh articulate and courageous face . Also…. and equally important, the Nats need a friend in government. Not the Maori racist or the idiot ecofuck brigade. Probably needs the formation of a completely new party to achieve this.
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      re Johnathan Young-
      Yep, he is not Mr Dynamism.
      Hard to believe he was a CityChurch minister for 18 years…. I thought they were into “messaging”.
      
      I hadn’t realised he was one of Venn Young’s kids until I looked him up.
      
      Now this dates me….but when I had to prepare briefing notes for V.Y… I was under strict instructions… 1 A4 page – reading age – 12 years.
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:39am
      - Ross12
        
        And in case you did not realise, Maggy, I think political journalist Audrey Young is his sister.
        
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        February 22, 2019 10:55am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Txs…
        I hadn’t caught up on that.
        Seems you are right.
        
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        February 22, 2019 12:24pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    They will have someone. Someone we don’t hear about. They need to put the party ahead of internal politics and identify that person.
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:24am
  - Pascal
    
    Chris Bishop is an exemplary politician. He embodies what I want in a public servant. Is he a Prime Minister? If we wanted a New Zealand one that would focus on working for us as a country, I think he has potential.
    
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    February 22, 2019 11:44am
    - Universal Smith
      
      Simon is capable too. But people much prefer the corrupt moron Ardern. Bishop is not lovable enough. Keep looking.
      
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      February 22, 2019 2:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  So you take a conversation about a proposed CGT and turn it into an anto Simon Bridges tirade.
  
  Perhaps National should fossick around in their membership and see if they can find a young buck toothed charlatan who is incapable to telling the truth and associates with criminals and put her on the list and annoint her the “next leader”.
  
  Would that make you happy?
  
  37% of the population voted for labour, 47% voted for National under Sir William English who was also continually criticised for beinng boring.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:13am
  - lifesgood
    
    I am beginning to think he is Cameron Slater in disguise, Tall Man. I am getting heartily sick of his anti Bridges campaign. He needs to come up with a coherent reason why he is anti Bridges and he hasn’t yet. I have suggested he watch Bridges debating in parliament but he clearly hasn’t.
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:43am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Who do you think is Cameron Slater in disguise, lifesgood? Me or Universal Smith (its not quite clear on my phone where the nested comment belongs)?
      
      Whoever you’re talking about, I think we can be pretty certain that Cam isn’t contributing to any discussions right now, given his reported condition. Poor bastard. I’ve seen strokes in friends and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
      
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      February 22, 2019 11:03am
      - Tall Man
        
        Clearly he identified the “universal” idiot.
        
        I am sorry but you are still a troll.
        
        You have been asked to provide an alternative strategy for National other than full support for Simon Bridges, you have not.
        
        It has been suggested that you watch him in action Parliament, clearly you have not.
        
        Your non stop “anti Bridges” bullshit is just that, bullshit.
        
        We do not need another clone of ardern the liar. All she does is sweep up the morons into her net but that still only attracted 37%. Her preferred status currently is irrelevant.
        
        At the grand age of 70 you should be well aware that populist leaders without substance are not long for that role.
        
        So, either get on the wagon or get off the pot.
        
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        February 22, 2019 11:21am
      - Dave Mann
        
        You haven’t answered my question. Who do you think is Cameron Slater in disguise?
        
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        February 22, 2019 11:34am
      - Tall Man
        
        Dave, read the posts.
        
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        February 22, 2019 11:45am
    - Universal Smith
      
      “He needs to come up with a coherent reason why he is anti Bridges”
      
      You delusional fool. National poll in the mid 40’s yet Simon has 5% support. Most Nats don’t like him along with 95% of NZ. It is not about me.
      
      Ardern & Co. will be hoping he stays as leader.
      
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      February 22, 2019 2:14pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Oh you’re so unkind! Just because you state logical facts, this doesn’t necessarily mean they’re true. For all you know, your precious universe might be somewhere where facts have different meanings…. so don’t just assume stuff, OK?
        
        You’re obviously nothing but a stupid left wing troll! 😀 😀 😀
        
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        February 22, 2019 3:22pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        “you state logical facts, this doesn’t necessarily mean they’re true.”
        
        He actually said that LOL 🙂
        
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        February 22, 2019 3:41pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Insidious wee thing, aren’t you.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:40am
  - Universal Smith
    
    Smug Simon.
    
    Never be PM.
    
    There is no god.
    
    Fact.
    
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    February 22, 2019 2:21pm
    - KevOB
      
      There is no god.
      Prove it.
      
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      February 22, 2019 5:07pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        You prove there is no tooth fairy.
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:06pm
- KevOB
  
  I thought you had retired yesterday–is more distraction required? Under Simon Bridges leadership National Party subscriptions are climbing. Jacinda is being used as the poster pic in an international foreign exchange scam.
  The COL Is getting close to a legal challenge as to its mandate. A radical tax change with omissions that point to possible favours is very questionable.
  Telling the people of wild intent (with ideology blinding incompetence) on election night does not give a lawful mandate.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Payback 2020…”
    
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    February 22, 2019 11:25am
    - Universal Smith
      
      Smug Simon.
      
      Never be PM.
      
      There is no god.
      
      2020 more of the same.
      
      Fact.
      
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      February 22, 2019 2:22pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Realityczeck back to doing the same think he did with Bill English to Simon Bridges and if people don’t agree he will soon start calling them names.
        
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        February 22, 2019 4:01pm
Yvette

While National was still the Government, they passed legislation that would have given a certain level of tax cuts, and Labour campaigned on cancelling them, which they did.

Now, Labour will sort of from the Tax Working Groups proposals a policy on a Capital Gains Tax, pass legislation to make it law, but effective after the next Election. so the voters choice in the 2020 Election is to vote for Labour to automatically keep that law, or vote National, if they promise to quash the law the moment they are returned to power.

So the legislation process of Parliament becomes entangled in Election campaigns. with voters in fact voting for the cancellation or continuance of already existing but post-dated legislation, rather than party policies.

• Is this a proper function of law-making, or is it embedded policy presentation?
• Is it provision of free party policy, but only to parties in power – yah-boo sux to the Opposition – so not really democratic fairness in action, and
• What portion of such a process is party policy formation and should therefore be party paid for, rather than using taxpayer funding. Or is it now the obscure, non-transparent, dishonest way of doing things – dirty legislation to go with dirty politics. Make law that could fail?

Once political parties proposed policy – the people voted, and the winning party passed those policies into law.
Now it seems a party in power passes legislation – and an Election result either kills or keeps already existing but embargoed laws.

Seems “a bit up the wop” – if you are still allowed to say that.
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February 22, 2019 8:43am
- Ross12
  
  This is a cut and paste from part of a W/O comment last night on the effect of the PAYE tax adjustments associated with Cullen’s grab
  
  “Current Tax Rates
  10.5% up to $14,000 $1,470
  17.5% from $14,001 to $48,000 $5,950
  Total Tax @ $48,000 $7,420
  
  Proposed taxes BEST case scenario
  10.5% up to $22,500 $2,362.50
  20.5% $22,501 up to $48,000 $5,227.50
  Total Tax @ $48,000 $7,590.00
  
  Worst Case scenario
  10.5% up to $20,000 $2,100
  20.5% $20,001 to $48,000 $5,740
  Total tax @ $48,000 $7,840
  
  Minimum wage increased to $20 per hour
  Working 40 hours per week 52 weeks a year $41,600
  Plus 8% Holiday pay $3,328 $44,928
  
  Currently the ‘poor’ would pay $6,882.40
  Best Case the ‘poor’ would pay $6,960.24
  Worst Case the ‘poor’ would pay $7,210.24 ”
  
  The accountants on here may like to double check it.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:07am
  - MCos
    
    Those rates are not the same as the suggestions in the report.
    Here’s the report. Refer page 88
    https://taxworkinggroup.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2019-02/twg-final-report-voli-feb19.pdf
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:02pm
- peterwn
  
  Labour would loved to have introduced a CGT before 2020 but it was too risky to make it firm policy for the 2017 election.
  With tax rate changes, these were frequently announced in the Budget but did not become effective until the following April. In some cases they became effective in October but that was tantamount to making it retrospective until the previous April. Also an October tax rate change is a pain in the butt for all since there is a one-off set of rates and limits to be published for those filling out IR3’s etc.
  
  With regard to CGT implementation, it is potentially far more complex than GST (which was deliberately kept simple), that the Government is going to have all its time cut out to complete the third reading before Parliament rises in 2020, even with the gross use of urgency. It may only be done more quickly by trying to pass a relatively simple Act with lots of powers for making regulations, orders, etc, but this will attract very strong criticism. Possibly Robbo and co could pass rough and ready legislation reflecting the working group’s recommendations with election promises in 2020 to refine the legislation after the 2020 election.
  They will be pushing it to have a Bill drafted by the end of the year, especially as Labour potentially has a heap more legislation they want drafted, but then Labour’s whole legislative programme will probably fall in a heap like Kiwibuild.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:14am
  - Ross12
    
    No new taxes in our first term was the mantra wasn’t it Peter. So they have plenty of time.
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:09am
    - peterwn
      
      Read my last paragraph. IMO they do not have enough time. Labour should have had the basic parameters of CGT sorted by last election. Like other policy making, they did not. Nine years of neglect on their part.
      
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      February 22, 2019 11:26am
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        I was being sarcastic Peter.
        
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        February 22, 2019 12:34pm
      - sooty
        
        Why didn’t labour have it sorted prior to 2017 election?
        Because they were too fricken lazy!
        Why do the work youself, when you can hire 200 working groups to do it for you!
        Then you can swan around looking pretty!
        
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        February 22, 2019 1:16pm
      - sooty
        
        Money no object!
        Taxpayer will cover it!
        
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        February 22, 2019 1:17pm
- KevOB
  
  Any proposed tax changes should be tabled as a drafted Bill before the next election. Prior examination is essential.
  
  Tax law is complex and can be deceptive. Subtle use of words can hide a lot of meaning, both imposts and perks. That’s happened before. Most MP’s won’t be capable of reading even the covering Explanatory Notes so the wool can be pulled over members eyes too. Even the presenting Minister can be deceived through other’s intentions and careful drafting.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:23am
  - peterwn
    
    They promised a passed Act ready to implement April 2021. They will be lucky if the Bill is ready by the end of the year, and then other Ministers will be clamoring to get their pet bills drafted. And they will be even more lucky if it is passed before the 2020 election. If they meet this timeframe it will probably turn out to be shoddy legislation that will cause businesses and people much angst.
    Jacinda’s problem could well be trying to hold her government together in the face of conflicting demands on law drafting capacity and House time.
    Even it Labour got it ready to go by April 2021 they may well have to promise to review and delay it if they think it will be a 2020 vote loser.
    
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    February 22, 2019 11:35am
    - KevOB
      
      There’s 12 months drafting to do. The TWG proposals are more political than legislative. They also trample over ancient distinctions between capital and income going back centuries. A lot of other legislation may be affected.
      
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      February 22, 2019 5:21pm
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIA … check occasionally http://www.macrobusiness.com.au

Westpac class action could be the first (another) of many … The New Daily

https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2019/02/21/westpac-lending-class-action/

Westpac has been slapped with a class action over irresponsible lending practices highlighted by the royal commission, and others could soon be met with the same fate.

On Thursday, law firm Maurice Blackburn filed an open class action against Westpac in the Federal Court over the irresponsible lending practices the firm says has left thousands with unsuitable home loans.

The action’s open nature means anyone who received a loan from the bank they believe was inappropriate for their financial circumstances is able to apply to be a part of the action. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Google NZ Search – Westpac Class Action

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=NBhuXMKvIaCcvQSq94WgBQ&q=westpac+class+action&btnK=Google+Search&oq=westpac+class+action&gs_l=psy-ab.3..
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… What lessons were learned from Ireland’s ’07 event ? … check background research …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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- peterwn
  
  I have been wondering about this. Seems the property ‘investors’ in question got their fingers burnt through their own idiocy and so have gone screaming off to the court wanting nanny state to hit the big bad Westpac. I suspect when they hit trouble they were not prepared to face the music and plan an orderly exit until it was too late.
  Westpac was trying to help dinkum property investors who did their due diligence and managed their risks, then had the misfortune to lend to turkeys who looked OK at first. If the lawsuit succeeds this means the banks will pretty well have to wet-nurse its borrowers which means increased fees and the dinkum borrowers who know what they are doing will find this intrusive, expensive and time wasting.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:43am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Peterwn … With all due respects that is nonsense.
    
    The sad reality is that the Banks were more than happy to ‘fuel’ grossly dysfunctional land – strangled urban property markets … loading their clients up with grossly excessive debt while ignoring the massive risks involved.
    
    There is nothing clever about bad business … but the Bankers were always too stupid to realize this.
    
    Read carefully the Central Bank of Ireland’s research on these issues … link above post.
    
    The unweighted average Median Multiple of the Irish metros in 2007 was 4.7 which slumped in subsequent years to 2.8 … sending all its Banks to the wall … requiring bailouts of about 70 billion euro (about $NZ110 billion).
    
    Australia’s metros are currently about 5.5 Median Multiple … New Zealand a truly stratospheric 6.5.
    
    Terrifying numbers.
    
    Check out my recently updated archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … noting in particular The Listener Editorial and The New York Times article.
    
    We have traumatic times ahead of us. Self inflicted of course … as the problems / solutions have been known about for years.
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:34am
    - peterwn
      
      I suspect those who predict property market doom based on data, charts, etc are believing their own BS. The fundamental point is, if a community’s population is growing, property values are underpinned by the cost of new builds. OK, there are going to be ups and downs and other issues from time to time but in the long term the values are underpinned by the cost of new builds. While some American rustbelt cities have declined driving down property values, I do not foresee Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland, etc declining in the near future. A current issue in Sydney is the overbuilding of smaller apartments meaning prices are weak. Some people will have their fingers burnt, while others will buy cheap and do well.
      As far as banks are concerned, the ‘big four’ Australian banks have more prudent lending policies compared with the international average. This benefited Australia and New Zealand during the last global meltdown. Indeed ANZ would have benefited from the purchase of National Bank when its parent Lloyds Bank was on its knees and was forced to sell it.
      OK the big four Oz banks could have some issues with property loans in the near future, but this would be nowhere as serious as to bring these banks to their knees. I do not see why the banks have to take the rap for silly little property ‘investors’ who haven’t a clue what they are doing. They are the ones who get burnt first when things wobble a bit.
      
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      February 22, 2019 11:23am
      - Happychappy
        
        The trouble with Hugh Peterwn is that he thinks his opinion is the only one and others don’t matter.
        
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        February 22, 2019 1:29pm
  - KevOB
    
    I like Westpac. Banks don’t want the role of wet nurse–borrowers owe a duty of care. Money is always available to fools.
    
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    February 22, 2019 11:29am
thetiedarch

Can someone clarify this for me: If I have my Kiwisaver fund invested in NZ or Aus shares, do I pay capital gains tax on an accrual basis on any capital gains from these?

That’s what I understand from a statement in one of Stuff’s articles.

If that’s the case, I’d switch to a self managed fund and only invest in shares that aren’t NZ or AUS. In order to avoid CGT on my Kiwisaver.

So then not only does the government miss out on tax from my Kiwisaver, NZ and Aus companies miss out on investment.
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February 22, 2019 8:59am
- fernglas
  
  Yes. But if you have a self managed fund you have to pay CGT as well as the tax on the deemed 5% return. And the CGT will be at your marginal tax rate rather than the lower PIE rates that apply to Kiwisaver. So you’re stuffed either way
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:27am
  - KevOB
    
    I doubt if such a provision will be enacted. The deemed return is income subject to assessment. A further CGT affects the capital accumulation of retirement savings and the tax regime applying to those. Such retirement savings are capital. Law drafting staff can bash heads.
    
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    February 22, 2019 11:38am
- peterwn
  
  Nothing will be clear until the Bill is introduced (and Robbo will be pushing it to have it drafted by the end of the year), and even then it will be doubtful if things are clear.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:28am
- KevOB
  
  Meanwhile the existing law operates.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:32am
Maggie Pie

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February 22, 2019 9:09am
kowtow

Among our luvvies it’s ok to be agist , racist and sexist . But only if the target is white and male.

The author had her arse served right back to her in the comments .

“Just what we all needed. An article in which a young woman with little life experience explains why men are feeling lost. An article that contends Peterson is dangerously one sided but is unable to provide the slightest piece of evidence to support that contention. Thank goodness we have a left wing feminist to put all us men straight.
+527”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/110756985/why-jordan-peterson-is-a-sign-of-our-very-scary-times
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February 22, 2019 9:14am
- Evadne
  
  It’s obviously not going the way Stuff wants. The comments have been closed already.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:25am
  - sooty
    
    The leftie way, if you don’t like what they say, shut them down!
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Payback 2020”.
      
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      February 22, 2019 10:00am
  - Colville
    
    yeah comments are closed but people can still vote up or down.
    
    look at the scores…. its a bloodbath in favour of JP and against the SLG who wrote the “article”
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:31am
    - peterwn
      
      Wonder if she was the silly journo who wrote the Simon Bridges – Mind the Gap editorial but was too chicken to by-line it with her name.
      
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      February 22, 2019 11:40am
- graham
  
  One comment:
  
  Why does this contributor always write about what men think? Can’t we get someone more qualified to do this like a man? She is quite a good writer generally, but on men related subjects she is almost clueless.
  
  When a man tries to explain things to a woman, it’s called mansplaining. Remind me, what is it called when a woman condescendingly explains that we have massive problems in “teaching boys to be good men” (funnily enough, I very rarely see articles talking about how we need to teach girls to be good women), that men are “lost”, that Jordan appeals to men’s “sense of victimisation”, and generally just explains what is wrong with men in general?
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:39am
  - kowtow
    
    “Cuntsplaining”
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:05pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I saw an article by Kyle MacDonald who is a prominent psychotherapist here along the same lines. What Mr MacDonald failed to grasp is the empirical evidence Peterson cites to support his views. I made the mistake of looking at MacDonalds twitter feed which had a blow by blow deconstructions of Peterson’s lecture in Auckland and all I could think was “aside from the obvious confirmation bias you’re displaying , I wonder if you’ve ever applied the same blow torch to yourself and your methods?”
  
  The mental health profession in this country isn’t all it’s cracked up to be and that is a recurring theme I here from people I know in the medical community.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:52am
  - Jack5
    
    Not sure I would include Kyle MacDonald in the “mental health profession”.
    
    MacDonald is a psychotherapist, am occupation distant from traditional “mental health professionals” such as psychiatrists, psychologists, and nurses.
    
    It might be charitably said that psychotherapy is to the mental health profession as chiropractic is to mainstream Western medicine. Uncharitably, it might be said that psychotherapy is to the mental health profession is as colour therapy is to mainstream Western medicine.
    
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    February 22, 2019 9:23pm
- JibberJabber
  
  After I pointed out (politely) some glaring errors in an item a month ago, Stuff have not only blocked me from logging on but blocked me from even seeing comments.
  LoL, imagine that, little ol` me such a threat to their narrative, they`re as bad as the Strandard when it comes to censorship.
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:27pm
- The Heat
  
  Saw Peterson in Wellington. He was articulate, funny, well-researched and life affirming. The women in our group felt that same way.
  
  He is everything the dreary far-left are not.
  
  It’s a shame that article demonstrates no understanding of men. Perhaps if the writer considered Peterson’s stances and the research that drives his conclusions, she might begin to gain some insight.
  
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  February 22, 2019 4:30pm
Surely Knott

Any police update on the attack of Aziz Al’ Sa’afin? I’m surprised we haven’t seen any camera footage from the mobil station. Or at least a description of the attackers they’re looking for. Is his friend ok? The attack was described as very serious and he thought he was going to die.
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February 22, 2019 9:21am
Ultima

I wish idiot journalists, like Bernard Hickey, and commentators stop referring to housing investment as “unproductive” sector. What evidence do they have to show its unproductive? If its unproductive we would see lots of empty houses, or we are all living in mansions. On the contrary its a productive sector, houses are built by skilled people for “productive” occupiers as needed.

What is unproductive in the housing sector are social housing or state housing, where houses are built for “unproductive” occupiers. Of course journalists, like idiot Hickey, now don’t report on facts but on their opinions of how the world should be according to them.
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February 22, 2019 9:30am
- KevOB
  
  You’re misunderstanding the technical use of “productive”. Rental housing in itself is not productive–it is a long term consumer item used up in daily habitation.
  
  In economic jargon a factory is “productive”– it is an item from which other economic output flows. It is an input cost in making products.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:47am
  - Ultima
    
    Its probably a technically on how we define economic output. Using your example if the factory is producing materials for building houses it should be defined as unproductive.
    
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    February 22, 2019 12:11pm
    - KevOB
      
      No, that is productive–the factory is producing, creating items for consumption or to become elements of an item to be consumed which may be stockpiled temporarily.
      Houses are end products to be used up, albeit slowly. They do wear out and need maintenance before the bulldozer is called. It’s logically similar to swallowing food.
      
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      February 22, 2019 5:29pm
Tarquin North

Verity Johnson is a poster girl for all that wrong with the left in this country. The fact that Stuff have her writing for them says a lot about their commitment to serious journalism.
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February 22, 2019 9:32am
- marcw
  
  She appears to be our very own Clementine Ford – and that didn’t work out too well for her. Sacked by Fairfax earlier this month, still bitter, friendless and ugly. Maybe Stuff could do us all a favour, and follow the Aussie tabloid’s example.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:31am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  But look how she shat on her own face with this musandryist drivel
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/110756985/why-jordan-peterson-is-a-sign-of-our-very-scary-times?cid=app-iPhone
  
  It looks like the hateful little vag-patch (if she can refer to a group of men as a “sausage fest” then I can objectify her too) created 100s of new Jordan Peterson followers with her whiney little Oped.
  Another silly little girl. It’s quite the year for them.
  
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  February 22, 2019 12:43pm
- MH
  
  she looked OK tied up in Paul Henry’s cage.
  Heard her tell porkies on the YA with Chapman’s afternoon show. Jordan Peterson’s attendance was well up cf her figures.
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:10pm
sooty

Because Sullen is not an MP, he does not have to put his assets in public view. It would be intersting to know what he’s got and where.
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February 22, 2019 9:34am
- Manolo
  
  Several millions well hidden from public view.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:40am
sooty

What happens to the family trusts in all of this?
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February 22, 2019 9:36am
- Tall Man
  
  From a quick peak, treated as an individual for CGT at the marginal rate which is 33%.
  
  A trading trust may be different but possibly not.
  
  Our accountant is off to an expensive seminar to review this and strategise.
  
  Fingers crossed but as I said before, this will not commence prior to 2021 and I cannot see that timeline being met either however, that does not mean I’ll just sit back and wait for these pricks to fuck with my money.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:52am
BeaB

It will be all be watered down so much Cindy will be able to twinkle at us and say how they have made NZ a fairer and kinder place to live, Winnie can tell his silly oldies he has saved their investments and the lefty luvvies can feel happy at least one or two rich pricks have been hurt, if only a little and James Shaw can tell us he deserves to be re-elected.
And Labour Sir Michael, alum of Christs College, can continue to enjoy his feather bed fully funded by the taxpayer.
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February 22, 2019 9:48am
- DigNap15
  
  I hope not – Bastards!
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:13am
- RF
  
  Michael, call me Sir according a farmer mate who went to Christs with him swears he was a bed wetter.
  
  He was teased for this so could be a reason why he hates farmers / rich pricks.
  
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  February 22, 2019 6:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’ll be interested in chatting to a few of my leftie/green mates and see how thoroughly they are swallowing the bile in their mouth.
Most of them have a holiday home/or a rental and a few are running small businesses.

The other lot who are going to have to think long & hard about where they place their vote next election are young entrepreneurs…. I’m not coming across loads of kids who are planning on being public servants for life… quite a few picture themselves running their own show somewhere down the line.
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February 22, 2019 9:49am
- Ross12
  
  Those young people are the ones who need to see the light, Maggy.
  Under the provisions of the proposal we have seen so far you would be stupid to start a business in NZ, especially if it is a business not reliant on some NZ input (eg. some raw material ). If it was an IT related business, for example, starting elsewhere would be the best option. Even something like a doctor, dentist, engineer thinking of setting up their own practice.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:06am
secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…..

Is *Tim Wilson* really just Kate Hawkesby in drag?
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February 22, 2019 9:57am
- michael_s2
  
  She is twice as intelligent.
  
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  February 22, 2019 12:56pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Hello Mike – Hosking. BTW Tim Wilson is also a successful novelist.
    
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    February 22, 2019 2:25pm
Fletch

Video – Bernie Sanders, University of Vermont, 1986, recalls his excitement watching Castro’s revolution “rising up against the ugly rich people.” & his sick feeling watching JFK speak out against communism in Cuba. He also defends Nicaraguan dictator Daniel Ortega.

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1098633261356630016/video/1

Old socialists never die…
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February 22, 2019 9:59am
Steve (North Shore)

Katie Hopkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn-WAYJZEhU
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February 22, 2019 10:02am
- secondcumming
  
  They did offer Shamina a council flat in *Blackburn*…..but she decided to stay in Syria.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:30am
Poppa

So I thought that young people were locked out of the housing market, that is what Cindy kept spouting

Perhaps she should read the stats about housing sales where about 25% of sales are to first home buyers

What lies can she make up about that?
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February 22, 2019 10:14am
DigNap15

From what I have seen this CGT proposal is the harshest in the whole world.
Eg no inflation allowance.
Very high tax rate
Maybe that is their plan, to water it down and hope people still vote for them
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February 22, 2019 10:15am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And then recalibrate it.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:01am
fluffykiwi

Cullen’s secret plan everything will be owned by the state and none of us will pay CGT.
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February 22, 2019 10:29am
- marcw
  
  No one will be allowed to be better off than anyone else – wellbeing© and ‘fair’. Earn or own more than the losers – tax for you you rich prick.
  
  What’s the name of the ideology where everyone is the same … on the tip of my tongue … starts with C ..?
  
  That’s it, Communism, or as the luvvies call it to disguise their envy, Socialism. All equally poor – except for the elite in the Party, the Shaws, Arderns, Cullens of course. The old “it’s for the other people” public transport argument, I’m too important to catch the bus.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:40am
DigNap15

The sum bag who decapitated the guy in Wellington.
Was he an ambulance driver, or a carpenter, or a truck driver, or a IT consultant.
How many children has he fathered?
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February 22, 2019 10:33am
- Viking2
  
  The fella he murdered was a murderer as well. Supplied synthetic drugs. That’s murder in my book.
  
  As you would expect Stuff only give a bit of the story. See below for the Heralds report.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110763859/petone-decapitation-defendant-named
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:40am
- kowtow
  
  Appears he’s a Baker.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:56am
- Tall Man
  
  I would guess that he hasn’t “fathered” any children but he would have rooted a few gang molls.
  
  People like him are incapable of being fathers.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:26am
  - GoVege
    
    The scary looking fella (with one tooth and a Mongel Mob tattoo on his cheek) knocking on North Shore doors asking for donations for a van to cart his kids around in has 9 (kids).
    But I’ve known hookers and drunks with 11 to 14.
    Imagine our country in a few more generations with this breeding stock….
    
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    February 22, 2019 2:02pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Correct. Who is going to work to pay for all those rights we hear so much about?
      
      People like Ardern are not trying to make a better society. They are trying to destroy the one we have. She is pure evil.
      
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      February 22, 2019 2:05pm
      - starboard
        
        Troll alert
        Next comment will be bagging Simon B.
        amateur effort, universal.
        
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        February 22, 2019 3:15pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Simon’s corpse is stinking up the offices. Time to move Mr5% out.
        
        Simon is smug.
        
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        February 22, 2019 3:42pm
Pateke

Winston has made it clear he is going to seek the comments from the farming sector. I wonder if he will return and put the CGT on its arse and then claim he has saved the rural sector and receive their adulation at the ballot box.
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February 22, 2019 10:33am
- DigNap15
  
  he should do if he has any concept of honesty!
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:40am
- Colinxy
  
  Interesting but meaningless.
  
  We already know Winston does not deal in good faith, e.g., was never going to with National (and we can be thankful for that).
  
  He is going to seek comments but doesn’t mean he has any intention of listening.
  
  He says he has been against a CGT in the past but that is meaningless.
  
  He’ll support whatever he perceives to be the best for Winston Peters. There will be no other considerations.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:45am
DigNap15

They are running a Horse of the Year event soon.
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February 22, 2019 10:36am
- sooty
  
  For pretty horses only?
  
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  February 22, 2019 2:02pm
Viking2

The man accused of decapitating a 71-year-old Petone man can now be named as Eugene Baker.

Baker, 41, appeared in the High Court at Wellington this morning, where his name suppression lapsed.

He is charged with murdering Francis Tyson on November 30 as well as unrelated charges of intentional damage and possession of non-approved psychoactive substances for supply.

Following the death, a neighbour said Tyson, who he knew only as “Frank” or “Frankie” was “an old pensioner” who had been dealing synthetic drugs or “synnies” to get by.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12206183

Looks like the old cunt was dealing in synthetics and his supplier didn’t like it.
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February 22, 2019 10:38am
- DigNap15
  
  Still no reason to do that.
  An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:39am
Lee C

https://www.facebook.com/bbccomedy/videos/10155552204996778/?v=10155552204996778

This is for you…
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February 22, 2019 10:56am
GoVege

It seems that the powers that be are trying to discredit a study that indicates NZ newborn babies’ survival rates are not as good as in other countries.
All in the cause of “natural childbirth” I suppose….
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February 22, 2019 11:02am
- GoVege
  
  If you go to a medical centre in South Auckland you will see signs telling women “you NEED a midwife….”
  I am so tempted to cross out midwife and put ‘doctor’…. 🙂
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, it’s a shocker…
  
  Babies born under Doctor/Hospital care had better outcomes than those born under midwife-led care.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/pregnancy/birth/110638963/the-maternity-study-health-officials-and-the-college-of-midwives-fought-to-undermine
  
  Note how very powerful interests try to close down inconvenient research and slur the name of decent researchers.
  Happens all through the research field.
  
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  February 22, 2019 12:19pm
  - GoVege
    
    Can’t question the bullies in power or they’ll come after you.
    Apparently we are seeing an increase in cerebral palsy caused by severe jaundice, a preventable condition.
    My youngest grandson almost was brain-damaged this way.
    The midwife said not to worry…wait a few days.
    If his parents had listened to her, they would now have a disabled child.
    I looked up a study apparently being done on this subject at Taranaki base hospital, but it seems to have closed down.
    Would be interesting to know what happened….
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:43pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Britain dilly-dallied for years over its shoddy midwifery standards.
      https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/16/failure-act-dangerous-midwives-resulted-deaths-report
      
      Here in NZ we run with a model, not employed elsewhere in the western World, and our stats aren’t as good as other countries.
      
      Thanks for nothing, Helen Clark.
      
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      February 22, 2019 2:00pm
Hugh Jarse

Some questions for the CoL

Is it “fair” that if I work continuously for 45-50 years and save prudently for retirement, getting taxed at source on income, then taxed on my bank balances and KiwiSaver on what I have saved and then now taxed on a capital gain from that investment ?

Is it fair if I am on a benefit for my whole life, save nothing and money from those who have saved is taxed yet again to create me additional income so I don’t feel left out ?

Where is the incentive for governments to keep inflation under control when their policies creating rampant inflation reward them by creating additional capital gains ?.

What aspiration goals does this approach encourage in NZ’ers when the better you do, the more you save, the more prudent you are, the more you get taxed.

What’s “fair” about the land under my friends $700k 1 hectare property in Rangiora attracting CGT and the land under your multi million houses that you, your friend Ritchie Hardcore and his friend Karl Srubeck own in Auckland not ?

You have been quick to claim National are against the CGT because of their multi house ownership. Throwing their motives into question. Some of us can’t understand why art is exempt, but we are starting to read between the lines. You and your MSM supporters have been quick to challenge National Ministers on that. In fairness, can you provide details of art ownership between Labour, Green and NZ First MP’s and Ministers ?. Particularly pertinent would be recent purchases?.

It would also be useful for the MSM supportors of your CGT policy to advise their incomes, sources of income, are they contractors or wage and salary earners and other relevant matters to allow the audience to make judgements on their motives.

Let’s be honest Jacinda, those that lose in your fairness package are those that have worked hard from a young age, saved, brought houses early in life, bought up families, didn’t do OE’s, didn’t have a subsidised university education, but made the most of their opportunities. They will lose while you redistribute their hard earned wealth to those who have not been so prudent. There is nothing fair about a government not being able to manage competently and live within its means without having to resort to new additional taxing regimes to do so. The message your government is sending is appalling and dishonest.
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February 22, 2019 11:03am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner has just been scrolling thru all the comments here and called me to ask why I didnt think of a pseudonym like yours 🙂
  
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  February 22, 2019 2:35pm
Lee C

And here is some basic research for Guyon Espiner:
https://www.landlords.co.nz/article/976513586/property-investing-popular-with-mps
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February 22, 2019 11:11am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Which he knew, but only hounded Any Adams, mind you he hadn’t updated his material.
  
  Property covers a broad range of values though, I have two but their combined value would be less than some peoples one.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:20am
Colinxy

The CGT won’t apply to pieces of art.

Has anyone asked how many pieces of art Cullen has and what they’re worth?
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February 22, 2019 11:28am
- KevOB
  
  A very curious omission.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:54am
Viking2

John Ratzenberger: Actors, celebrities, etc…they add nothing to civilization. Imagine if all the plumbers and carpenters disappeared.
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February 22, 2019 11:34am
Dave Mann

Quick Poll.

“Under its present leadership and without a credible and effective coalition partner in sight, National is not likely to form a government in 2020”.

Fingers on buzzers. Your time starts now. Votes please.
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February 22, 2019 11:39am
- Tall Man
  
  Grow up.
  
  At your age you’re running out of time so make a real effort and be a big boy for a change.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:47am
  - rangitoto
    
    Cut him some slack. He’s probably a Winnie first voter.
    
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    February 22, 2019 11:58am
    - Dave Mann
      
      No. I’m (was) a National voter and I vehemently commented on this blog many times against voting for Peters prior to the last election.
      
      I will probably vote for National again out of sheer desperation…. but that doesn’t prevent me from clearly seeing that National is looking (sadly) more and more like a spent force in New Zealand’s body politic.
      
      The right (such as it is) desperately needs a revival IMHO.
      
      I presume you voted downtick. Thanks for participating.
      
      More votes PLEASE. Either way… lets get a feel for what you guys think.
      
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      February 22, 2019 12:08pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Dave, people should be able to express their views. I will tell you one reason why National is polling badly. That is they have not released policy. That is not the fault of National but how things work. An opposition party should hold back on policy till close to the election.
        
        Crime and punishment is a big thing to me and many voters. We need changes to the Sentencing Act.
        
        The senior National MPs are not stupid. If National is polling in the low 40s late this year or early next year there will be a change of leader.
        
        To do so now on the result of a couple of polls is premature.
        
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        February 22, 2019 1:06pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Thanks Chuck. Good thoughts.
        
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        February 22, 2019 1:44pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Regardless of leadership of National they need a coalition partner. Presently they do not have one. with all the would be’s putting up their hands they will just cannabalise each other’s votes. The three on the right Act, New Conservatives and the Blue Green Party need to get together they will agree on most things and the others can be worked through. The important thing is to get The Mid/Right back in power, vote splitting among the minor parties will not assist.
  I see that the new One New Zealand party has already had a split and this is the problem everyone pushing their personal agenda rather than an end goal, and how to achieve it.
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:00pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Well written and I largely agree, except that I wonder if having other parties on the Right would actually cannibalise many votes?
    
    I think there’s a real possibility that the average voter votes mainly for the one issue which they most care about. I can imagine, for example, quite a large proportion of people might think “I care about the environment, but I don’t like the way the government is destroying our energy sector”. Or “I’m all for workers’ rights and social progress, but I can’t stand all these pooftahs and trannies prancing around like they own the place”.
    
    Potentially, one or two centre-right parties might well expand the votes for the Right, not cannibalise them.
    
    But I agree that National needs a coalition partner. As things stand at the moment National doesn’t look good as a prospect for getting an outright majority at the next election. The main reason why they held on for nine years is because they had the support of the racists (for which we paid a heavy price) and a couple of fake one-man-bands masquerading as political parties.
    
    p.s. BTW. Don’t lets convince ourselves that National is a centre-right party. They’re really a centre-left party but I don’t mind pretending for the sake of this discussion.
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:25pm
    - Poppa
      
      Dave I do agree with you.
      
      For National to be polling at over 40 is quite remarkable really but to get another say 8% to govern will not be easy. That I think is the problem with Simon, he is unable to gain votes from others. To do that he needs charisma which he doesn’t have.
      
      That is not being nasty, it is just a fact. So who can lead them to gain the other 8% or so depending how votes fall? I actually like Judith, but that also could be a risk.
      
      I do think it is a risk worth taking
      
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      February 22, 2019 1:43pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Thanks Poppa for introducing that magic word ‘charisma’ 😀
        
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        February 22, 2019 1:48pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Charisma is what the front person of a band needs.
        
        If all you care about is charisma then I guess ardern the liar will gain your vote.
        
        Many New Zealanders are less shallow that that and they will buy into the message that is being delivered by a straight faced honest man rather than a bunch of bullshit put out bay a charlatan.
        
        You do not factor in the betrayal that many voters feel after the complete about face by wynston the thief on “all” bottom line policies and the about faces by ardern the liar.
        
        The “don’t knows” in any survey should ring an alarm bell for the coalition and I can guarantee that they are listening to that bell……
        
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        February 22, 2019 4:33pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    fluffykiwi, you are right about National needing coalition partners. In the last two polls, ACT and NC averaged 0.65% and the opportunists 0.55%.
    
    ACT cannot attract any votes from the left whereas the NC can in South Auckland. The new blue green type party lead by Vernon Tava can get some Green Party votes. That has a chance of pushing the watermelons below 5%. The NC can also help keep NZF below 5%.
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:53pm
Chuck Bird

Good to see a judge who gives an appropriate sentence.

Auckland rugby coach Alosio Taimo sentenced to 22 years in jail

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12206175
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February 22, 2019 11:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But he’ll be out after 10.
  
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  February 22, 2019 12:02pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    True but many judges would have allowed the standard one-third minimum non-parole period.
    
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    February 22, 2019 12:13pm
  - MH
    
    am ?
    
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    February 22, 2019 12:20pm
  - Tall Man
    
    1/3 rd if a good boy.
    
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    February 22, 2019 4:24pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes its better than I thought he might get.
  But I’d castrate him (phyically) before I let him out and tattoo the words “child molester” on his forehead.
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:41pm
- GoVege
  
  Narrow-minded conservative societies like Samoa help to produce pedophiles.
  Gay people are beaten up and driven to suicide because Christian conservatives can’t accept that it is normal for some people to be gay.
  Unfortunately those unacceptable urges are going to surface somewhere.
  Just like the problem of Catholic priests and choirboys.
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:56pm
  - GoVege
    
    There are far more young girls molested in Polynesian societies.
    Remember 12 year old Agnes Ali’i Vaa found dead in a Mt Roskill park?
    Nobody was ever charged with her death, although the church minister supposedly looking after her was later apparently charged with molesting a 14 year old girl in his “care”.
    And WHY was this young girl not with her own mother?
    Because Polynesian (and Maori) women are expected to bear huge numbers of children they can’t realistically look after.
    So they farm them out to others to “look after” them.
    
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    February 22, 2019 2:58pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Had an example put to me a year or so back, a 17 ish Samoan girl sought medical advice and during the appointment it emerged that she hadn’t had sex but she wasn’t sure because her older brother often climbed into bed with her but she was sure it wasn’t sex because he was her brother.
      
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      February 22, 2019 4:22pm
Lee C

Dave, here’s an idea.
Why not start a blog of your own?
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February 22, 2019 12:12pm
- Dave Mann
  
  Do you mean shut up about Simon and National’s failure to make any progress in standing up against the destruction of our country?
  
  If you mean shut up, than I’m happy to do that. It appears that I’m definitely in the very small minority here anyway.
  
  Would it be OK with you if I comment on other stuff, though?
  
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  February 22, 2019 12:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You avoid answering don’t you.
    
    Have you watched Simon Bridges in the house?
    
    I suggest you do so before running him down constantly.
    
    If you are a two ticks blue boy, which I question, why are you buying into a media inspired campaign to bring about his downfall.
    
    With mates like you, who needs enemies?
    
    You continually pillory him for “not standing up against the destructioon of our country”.
    
    Pray tell, what do you expect him to do?
    
    Go on a hunger strike, punch ardern the liar in the face, call the speaker a liar and a cheat?
    
    You pretend to be supportive but try to undermine his achievements at every turn.
    
    To put it bluntly, “what the fuck do you expect him to do?”
    
    Put up or shut up or pop back to the standard where ignorant anti Simon whining is lauded.
    
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    February 22, 2019 3:52pm
MH

why is it that the supporters of Brexit failed to add their weight in controlling its progress/egress , the Brits were looking for leaders instead they shied away and cameron left and May wants to.
What concerns KBers =Trumps wall or supporting the UK or being at least interested in outcomes, where Britain goes….where she stands, nope. KBers know more about Trump than they do about Brexit, and yet when it comes to the Chase as a 60+yr old I know more about the UK than the average pom, i’m sorry but for me the chaste is well and truely over. Even the Herald prints more articles on Trump than on Brexit or even Aussie politics. China is a given. Is it Wendy Petrie that stands before us on 20/20 TV as a pro journalist and week after week focuses on some dreadful American murder, how can she front this trash? And then there’s more murders on snapped to enjoy. The rooskies don’t need to undermine the US, they are doing it themselves. Well there’s always those NCIS docos about one half of the US Navy murdering the other half. My rant for the week, just saying.
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February 22, 2019 12:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  Welcome to our world where “feelz” rule and common sense has well and truly left the building.
  
  You only have to look at the latest poll, 40 odd % support a barefaced do nothing liar.
  
  Seriously, how does that come about?
  
  Is it an indictment on our education su=ystem, parents, media or are we as a people just too damn lazy to figure shit out?
  
  Many years ago, I was advised that coaching with a view towards excellence was a waste of my time as “excellence” ws no longer required and my odds of ever finding it were very very limited. The good advisor then told me to put my energies into those close to me, family, children especially and myself.
  
  That was good advice but we now as a nation to grow up and wake up and if in some small way I can make a difference I will…hence
  
  ardern is a liar
  
  wynston is a thief
  
  labour supporters are selfish and envious.
  
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  February 22, 2019 12:33pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    40 odd % support a barefaced do nothing liar. Seriously, how does that come about?
    
    It comes about simply because she has passion, fire and good communication skills.
    
    Why do you think Bridget Jones was such a popular movie?
    
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    February 22, 2019 1:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Rubbish, it is because she has the speaker running protection in the house and the media running protection outside.
      
      The ignorant voters, and I include you in that, do not look beyond the headlines.
      
      Imagine if we had a decent investgative journalist probe the links between ardern the liar, ritchie the wanker hardcore, the czech drug seller and her sperm donor with hundreds of successful relationships.
      
      Imagine if the same journalist actually sat down and read the numerous reports on Pike River mine then looked at how the $23 million currently spent had been spent.
      
      However they, like you, are happy to push out bullshit stories on Simon Bridges as a deflection.
      
      You are entitled to your opinion of Simon Bridges but you probably should have a few facts before you expound them on here.
      
      I for one have no tolerance for mindless drivel.
      
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      February 22, 2019 4:19pm
auckwood

‘Why Jordan Peterson is a sign of our very scary times’ https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/110756985/why-jordan-peterson-is-a-sign-of-our-very-scary-times

Wow, this trash actually got me rather pissed off….
The fact the comments were disabled in under 30mins of the opinion piece being posted , and the general ratio of comments slamming this feminist writer, makes me believe I’m not alone.

I dont think any 25 year old, male or female, let alone a feminist, has any idea, or right to try tell men what is right or wrong or how to act & behave. The reason why Jordan Peterson has become so polarizing and popular to a wide range of individuals, is because he speaks in facts, without political correctness or feelz, with unbiased information and honest criticism.

His words have a lot more weight behind them, and are a hell of a lot less scary then the views of this pathetic feminists own blind, ill informed doctrine of ‘man is bad’ opinion piece writer, due to obvious reasons such as:
Being a Dr of Clinical psychology for long than the writer as been alive…
Spending more time than the writer has been alive in working, researching & studying psychology around the world…
His much wider range of life experience including parenthood, battling depression, being vilified from all sides or society (left,right, sexists, racists etc)

He seems to me to be humble,is open about his feelings & emotions, honest and upfront about his short-comings, and open to discussion with someone with opposing views as his own.

The scary times we are already facing, is things like the Left / MSM agenda to silence or discredit people like Jordan Peterson, or the Canadians before him, Stefan Molyneux & Lauren Southern, and anyone else who may ask or make very uncomfortable, but very important questions or statements about ourselves & society…
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February 22, 2019 12:17pm
- stigie
  
  To sum up quickly your great piece above…..Verity Johnson loathes older white men with money !~
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:01pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Verity is another SLG.
    
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    February 22, 2019 3:51pm
- Harriet
  
  “……The fact the comments were disabled in under 30mins of the opinion piece being posted , and the general ratio of comments slamming this feminist writer, makes me believe I’m not alone….”
  
  Boucher more or less stated when she got the top Fairfax/stuff job – “We will help make the changes where we see they are needed.”
  
  The XYZ in Aussie more or less said at the time “….That’s dangerous stuff, and who is ‘we’….”
  
  Clearly bossy women…..Boucher, Cindy, Hulun…… 😎
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:32pm
PhilP

I hear Mike Nesbitt and Micky Dolenz from The Monkies are coming to NZ.
This will be very nostalgic for some of us Kiwibloggers.
Mike Nesbitt’s song “Joanne” was a big favourite of mine.
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February 22, 2019 12:55pm
- MH
  
  she drove you on to desperation….
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:21pm
- fernglas
  
  Two TV series, a weird film and a handful of albums 50 years ago. At least it’s the real people. Now we get these vineyard type tours where the only person of any authenticity left is the 12th bass player who just happened to outlive the others and inherit the band’s name. There’s a fine line between nostalgia and fraud. Still. if people want to pay large sums of money to watch superannuated tribute bands, then good luck to them
  
  And your tears of nostalgia blinded you to the fact that the band is the Monkees and the performer is Mike Nesmith.
  
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  February 22, 2019 1:43pm
- howitis
  
  Mike Nesmith.
  
  His mother invented liquid paper.
  She was an amateur artist and took up a typing role even though she was not very good at it.
  To fix her errors she used her art skill and invented ‘liquid paper’.
  She later commercialised it and sold to Gillette (when they were a real company) for USD 47 million in 1979.
  She died a year later at 56 yo.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bette_Nesmith_Graham
  She left half to charity and half to her sole son Mike.
  
  Mike Nesmith was part of the organisation behind launching MTV in the early 1980s but withdrew early as he did not want to run a TV channel.
  Solo hits include Joanne, Silver Moon and Rio.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf26dQkLQkM
  Soundtrack for Joanne
  
  Peter Tork passed away yesterday at 77 so it only leaves those two from the Monkees (Nesmith and Dolenz)
  
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  February 22, 2019 2:15pm
  - Swifty
    
    Dolenz hunted deer here as a kid.
    
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    February 22, 2019 2:40pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Peter Tork of the Monkeys died today. Cancer I believe. Used to love the Monkeys. My favourite was Mickey but that was cause I only had a choice of 2 cause my older sisters claimed Davy and Peter. ?
  
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  February 22, 2019 3:54pm
MT_Tinman

auckwood, I didn’t (and haven’t) read this opinion piece, the headline and sub-headline told me all I needed to know. i.e. the author is a sexist halfwit.

Like the other argument that has been going on in this segment of GD, the slime is prepared to only present one side in an effort to control thought.

The other argument is of course created by the slime only mentioning the National Leader-of-the-Opposition when they can do so in a negative light.

auckwood, there is no rule that states you have to read every opinion piece and I suggest, if only for the sake of your blood pressure, you select your reading more carefully.
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February 22, 2019 12:58pm
- auckwood
  
  Sadly I also knew the same thing based off the title and knowing the authors biased and irrational view of the world from previous articles. Still, I like to know what is also being fed to the masses…
  
  Completely agree with the obvious attack on Simon, and I dont trust any of the polls being reported lately, this ‘SLG/CoL Govt is amazing’, ‘CGT is fair and welcome’ ‘Simon sucks’ ‘National slumping in polls’ rubbish is completely at odds with the general views and tone of people I speak with…
  
  But then again, I’m a middle aged white male with a small business so that probably explains it.
  
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  February 22, 2019 2:34pm
Evadne

The comments on this one were closed within 40 minutes; https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/inspire-me/110765984/i-went-to-see-jordan-peterson-and-it-was-equal-parts-boring-and-terrifying

Apparently, Peterson is a misogynist who burps out drab monologues with outlandish beliefs, which are worrying but extremely boring, who lucked his way to success with self-help gibberish delivered in an interminable stream of consciousness, which is dangerous because it subjugates crowds of insecure people.

Yes, they’re all quotes from the linked opinion piece. However, she did note that her brain is inferior, so perhaps that’s something.
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February 22, 2019 1:43pm
- kowtow
  
  Sean Plunket eviscerating the vagpatch at this very moment.
  
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  February 22, 2019 2:23pm
- MickMac
  
  I don’t read her, she’s an arsehole.
  Stuffs Brand is stuffed.
  
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  February 22, 2019 3:36pm
BananaLlama

I have some questions related to the CGT … for a friend …
Him and his partner are in a defacto relationship (If it ain’t broke don’t fix it) for many years now and have two children together.
If they decided to artificially separate and each buy a home which they then nominated as their individual family homes will their children now inherit both and be tax exempt?

Also what if one of those properties was leveraged out to buy their children each a family home which the children then sold before they inherited their parents family homes.

Cheers he will be interested to hear what you have to say 🙂
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February 22, 2019 2:02pm
- alloytoo
  
  This illustrates the lengths honest hard working folks will go to to protect their assets from envious socialists.
  
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  February 22, 2019 3:00pm
Lee C

“If you mean shut up, than I’m happy to do that. It appears that I’m definitely in the very small minority here anyway.

Would it be OK with you if I comment on other stuff, though?””

Mate, you can comment on anything you like – I’m not suggesting I’m particularly threatened or upset by your reasons for trying to have a poll. But asking people to use KB to run your own private polling is a bit cheeky IMO.

Sure I’ve tried it myself, but soon realised that I was being a bit rude to DPF, hospitality. So I stopped.

Comment away. That’s the beauty of this blog versus others I could mention, we enjoy hearing contrary views. But if you want to run a straw poll, I’d suggest that it would be politer to just go ahead and set up your own blog that’s all.
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February 22, 2019 2:30pm
- Dave Mann
  
  Hahaha OK…. but I’m not trying to run a private poll. I wouldn’t have a use for the info anyway. Just thought it might be interesting , that’s all.
  
  However, I don’t think most KiwiBloggers are really interested (12 votes), but of those few who are, its 3-to-1 support for National under Bridges. So lets hope for the country’s sake that this means a coming landslide in 2020!!!! I’m getting the champagne out already in anticipation… 😀 😀 😀
  
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  February 22, 2019 2:46pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Dave the same thing was said about Bill English but if it was not for him laying a foundation with the voter we would not be now still polling In the 40% range. So before anyone says he didn’t win the election ask those that jumped ship to Winston to teach National a lesson and those that followed Hobson Choice to end the Waitangi gravy train, Winston wouldn’t be in that position and maybe we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
    
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    February 22, 2019 4:21pm
Poppa

I don’t know for sure, but, I think they will tag it that it is the home that you live in Banana
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February 22, 2019 2:35pm
- Tall Man
  
  If “separated” then they have 1 home each which is exempted.
  
  The inheritance wuld be taxed according when each died if there is to be an inheritance tax so could end up paying more tax, depending on values.
  
  Until the detail is revealed, there is little point in speculation.
  
  Simon Bridges has pledged that there will be no CGT under National post 2020 so there’s a simple plan, remove ardern the liar and her bunch of morons.
  
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  February 22, 2019 4:04pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    Simon is over.
    
    Simon is smug.
    
    No change in 202o.
    
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    February 22, 2019 4:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      As I said, troll with an agenda to deflect away from ardern the liar.
      
      It may work with the morons but they are few and far between on here.
      
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      February 22, 2019 4:36pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        At 5% I think you are over estimating your numbers my friend 🙂
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:50pm
wreck1080

Good to see Malcolm Rewa found guilty.

Unbelievably he claimed he was in a relationship with his victim.
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February 22, 2019 2:55pm
Chuck Bird

Here is another case for LWOP.

Serial rapist Malcolm Rewa guilty of murdering Susan Burdett in 1992

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12205665
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February 22, 2019 3:02pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  More like a case for a long drop with a short rope.
  
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  February 22, 2019 7:25pm
GoVege

Apparently this creep’s first attack was on a nurse…while his wife was giving birth.
What a pity it wasn’t given preventive detention for the first rape.
This predator was so violent, it’s a miracle only Ms Burdett was killed.
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February 22, 2019 3:32pm
- Universal Smith
  
  “while his wife was giving birth.”
  
  Legend.
  
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  February 22, 2019 4:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You are a sick man with a sick perspective on life.
    
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    February 22, 2019 4:34pm
    - Swifty
      
      I took an interest in his 1998(?) trial and, because I was living close to the Auckland High Court, my sister and I shot along to attend the odd day.
      
      The testimonies of the victims were harrowing.
      
      He is a nasty, nasty piece of work.
      
      Watching Paul Davison cross examine him was quite fascinating. There was no lie that Rewa would not tell if he thought it would be of some advantage to him.
      
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      February 22, 2019 4:52pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Yeah that’s just fucked.
      
      reported.
      
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      February 22, 2019 5:14pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Graham Capill stood on that very same moral soap box you are on.
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:09pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        fuck off ya little bitch.
        
        Edit for spelling, but hey why not take the opportunity to call you an arsehole while I’m at it ?
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:18pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Reported. What a disgraceful comment. Have you no decency? It is especially disrespectful of women. What say a little girl read your comment?
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:20pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        One did, uses the handle Universal Smith
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:53pm
  - Swifty
    
    Reported RealityCzech/Kea et al.
    
    What a disgraceful comment.
    
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    February 22, 2019 4:55pm
  - Swifty
    
    I hope DPF slams you for that Kea.
    
    You just can’t control yourself can you?
    
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    February 22, 2019 5:15pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      DPF is clear that anyone on ban who comments under another name has permanent ban.
      Hope DPF goes straight to the bin with this variation of the Kea
      
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      February 22, 2019 5:18pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Oops!!!! Mistaken uptick. ?
    
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    February 22, 2019 5:30pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Of all the times WG ?
      
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      February 22, 2019 5:34pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        I ran the numbers and my approval rating is 12%.
        
        Double what Simon’s is 🙂
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:23pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Blame the wine Awww C-mon. Nicely relaxed and let my guard down! ?
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:30pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        This is how your virtue signalling friend really talks to women:
        
        Awww C-mon
        fuck off ya little bitch
        FEBRUARY 22, 2019 6:18PM
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:35pm
Swifty

Bad business in Hamilton:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110800496/police-looking-for-naked-man-over-hamilton-indecent-assault

Can anyone please tell me what we’re to read in to ‘Asian’ in this context? Does this mean what it has historically, i.e. chinese, japanese, korean etc – or does this now include anyone from the Asian continent i.e. including the sub-continent?
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February 22, 2019 3:36pm
Swifty

Note: told, not asked:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/110664591/levin-unprepared-for-refugee-arrivals-in-2020-fears-horowhenua-mayor

Michael Feyen said accepting refugees was part of New Zealand’s “moral obligation” but Levin was unsuitable as so many locals were struggling to find housing and jobs themselves.

“It’s a heck of a big ask. We can’t even house our own.”
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February 22, 2019 3:38pm
- MickMac
  
  Jacinda doesn’t care, stop complaining….
  
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  February 23, 2019 7:30am
Happychappy

So what will Andrew Little’s excuse be this time after Germany has said it will follow the https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_
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February 22, 2019 4:37pm
Happychappy

So what willAndrew Little do now that Germany is set to follow the British and clear Huawei https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12206195
In the 5G Network.
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February 22, 2019 4:46pm
- sooty
  
  Cry!
  
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  February 22, 2019 8:02pm
Kabull

Wow. Why can’t we have a politician like this here in NZ. Listen for his closing comment from 17:30 about being one people and one nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIokmgkpua0

I think the American people will send a very powerful message to the Democrats in 2020.
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February 22, 2019 4:57pm
- mandk
  
  Brilliant speech.
  MAGA Mr President.
  
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  February 22, 2019 7:32pm
Swifty

A double dickhead:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110807074/man-killed-in-kawerau-police-shooting-named

Nobody, but nobody, with any sense robs banks anymore. Plus he joined the mongies.
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February 22, 2019 5:14pm
- kowtow
  
  His real mistake , if it was a mistake , was to shoot at armed police.
  
  That’s suicide by cop.
  
  NZ would be a far better place if all gang members were similarly dispatched.
  
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  February 22, 2019 5:39pm
waikatogirl

I have been asked to complete a ‘National Patient Experience Survey’ sent by my GP’s office for the DHB.

“Thank you for taking part in this opportunity to help us understand if we are meeting your needs and what we can do better for you and your whānau.”
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February 22, 2019 5:22pm
- Swifty
  
  Foo, eh?
  
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  February 22, 2019 5:30pm
- KevOB
  
  What’s wrong with the Kiwi word “family”? NZ English does not use macrons.
  
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  February 22, 2019 5:34pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    What’s wrong with the kiwi word whanau?
    
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    February 22, 2019 5:36pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Started with questions on:
    – ethnicity
    -which languages do you speak
    – did you ever need an interpreter
    – did you always understand what you were told
    – have you ever not gone to your GP due to cost
    – have you ever not picked up a prescription due to cost.
    
    Anonymous but then they ask if you’d like a copy posted to you.
    No thanks!
    
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    February 22, 2019 5:48pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Actually, there is one thing that pisses me off more and more and that is the constant inclusion of Maori words where English ones exist. Education is full of this shit. Maori texts are not peppered with English words, so why should English Texts be bastardised with foreign words. I have been trying to read that piece of crap put out on Education Hubs. It’s bloody difficult to follow the text when it is full of words no one understands. Vok julle mense, vaffancoulo, vas te fait foutre.
    
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    February 22, 2019 7:35pm
- nasska
  
  …..”what we can do better for you and your whānau”…..
  
  Dear DHB,
  
  I want an opinion from a second Tohanga!
  
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  February 22, 2019 5:35pm
  - Swifty
    
    A story from a few decades back.
    
    A mate was up to his apricots shearing in Westmere, part of the old Brancepeth Station, and broke out in these terrible boil/lesion type affairs. Went to Te Ore Ore Rd, I believe several times, and was bandaged and given ointment which didn’t make a blind bit of difference, he said.
    
    I don’t remember how it came about but he was recommended to go and see the elderly local kaumatua (Wi someone, I met the guy once in the Gladstone pub one night and had a good yarn) who asked a few questions and then proclaimed that he had a salt deficiency, because of the shearing, and to get some salt tablets down him.
    
    Long story short, he did, and was as right as rain in a few days.
    
    (Not putting that down to magic nasska, just that this guy had been around shearers all his life).
    
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    February 22, 2019 6:00pm
    - nasska
      
      In its broadest sense the word “tohunga” refers to a man of knowledge. The tohunga was the the tribe’s repository of knowledge of everything from healing, genealogy to carving & more.
      
      I have no trouble in understanding he sorted out you mate’s problems. Tohunga generally had a keen eye for cause & effect though, like all faith healers, if they got a win it was their good efforts but losses were chalked up to evil spirits.
      
      There was a downside though. I was born & brought up on the coast NE of Gisborne in the 50s when modern medicine still wasn’t completely accepted by Maori. Given the choice of the doctor, the district nurse or the tohunga the latter was often the expert of choice, the Tohunga Suppression Act notwithstanding.
      
      If the tohunga said someone would live chances are they would. If he said they would die they did. In fact the ‘to be deceased’ would give up all hope & prepare to die on the strength of the tohunga’s diagnosis.
      
      Blind faith is a terrible thing.
      
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      February 22, 2019 6:48pm
      - Swifty
        
        Agreed.
        
        My ex’s family have been in Te Araroa/Hicks Bay for centuries and I know what you’re referring to.
        
        Do you remember Smith Brothers Transport? They worked the coast for 20-30 years.
        
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        February 22, 2019 6:58pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Do you remember Smith Brothers Transport”…..
        
        Nope. But we left the East Coast when the old man received a promotion to the Waikato before I turned seven. Most of my knowledge and/or anecdotes relating to the time were from what I picked up later from the olds.
        
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        February 22, 2019 7:08pm
    - RF
      
      Swifty
      
      On my dads farm years ago he had an employee who suffered from painful ulcers to lower legs. Local GP prescribed medications that did not clear it up.
      
      Diabetic tests negative so not diabetics.
      
      A local elderly Maori woman who was known to have special powers was eventually consulted and she made up an evil smelling paste that could not be applied until the next full moon. Believe it or not within a month it had cleared up just leaving a slight purple discolouration in the skin that had previously been raw flesh.
      
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      February 22, 2019 7:19pm
      - Swifty
        
        Cool.
        
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        February 22, 2019 7:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        If Maori medicine is so good and tohungas have mysterious indigenous knowledge, surely our universities shouldn’t be providing to Maori priority entry to (Western) medical schools.
        
        Could it be that indigenous medicine mythology is a tool for obtaining racial segregation in the NZ health system?
        
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        February 22, 2019 8:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        What’s the average time it takes for a typical white New Zealander to go troppo on the North Island east coast?
        
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        February 22, 2019 9:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Jack 5
        
        I think you’ll find we have standards over this way…
        
        Red Bands are left outside the Dental surgery.
        
        A dressing gown is de rigeur if you are visiting the local dairy in your PJs….. (but not essential at the Warehouse).
        
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        February 22, 2019 9:38pm
- DigNap15
  
  I hope I get one.
  I will cross out every reference to Maori.
  Its time to stop the rot.
  
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  February 22, 2019 10:36pm
Swifty

Young Wallace get’s his comeuppance:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110777401/former-waitangi-trust-manager-sentenced-for-stealing-12-million

And, as a reminder of Wally’s velvet plumminess:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYgxtdWHTW8

Looks like an up and coming Shane to me.
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February 22, 2019 5:35pm
Prince

Just watching the White Ferns NZ Cricket team
Their fielding is appalling. Multiple catches dropped, slack ground fielding. The Aussies should have been rolled for 150 but they can hardly believe their luck.
If this was the mens team the critics would be howling.
If they want equal treatment, show equal effort.
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February 22, 2019 6:05pm
- nasska
  
  There’s only one sport on this planet more boring than women’s cricket.
  
  Women’s synchronised swimming!
  
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  February 22, 2019 6:58pm
  - mandk
    
    I dunno, nasska, synchronised swimming to Led Zeppelin is quite impressive:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ivR87oKyOo
    
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    February 22, 2019 7:07pm
    - stigie
      
      Now they want break dancing to be recognized as a sport..?
      Still might be a tad better than the dreadful synchronised swimming !~
      
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      February 22, 2019 7:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I found watching underwater hockey a bit of a challenge… but I faithfully took my kid to all her practices and games and stayed to “cheer her team”…until she was old enough to organise her own way.
    
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    February 22, 2019 7:09pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    There’s only one sport on this planet more boring than women’s cricket. women’s synchronised swimming!
    
    I suspect Stephieboy enjoys women’s synchronised swimming and gymnastics… Maybe not women’s cricket, because they could usefully wield a bat and ball in a tight situation…
    
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    February 22, 2019 7:46pm
    - marcw
      
      Sorry but Stephieboy is away on a women’s synchronised swimming tour at present. Won’t be back until mid April.
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:27pm
  - MickMac
    
    But it is very very precise.
    
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    February 23, 2019 7:27am
Universal Smith

Smug Simon.

Never be PM.

There is no god.

Failure in 2020

Fact.
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February 22, 2019 6:11pm
- stigie
  
  Who is this bloke above, isn’t he a good candidate to chin wag and talk shit with Lynn at the Stranded..?
  
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  February 22, 2019 7:22pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    A concerned citizen trying to end the corpse cuddling in the hope we can have a viable alternative to Labour & Co.
    
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    February 22, 2019 7:35pm
    - starboard
      
      I know who you are. JLR.
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:08pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Can’t be JLR, this muppet is talking about hugging a corpse, rather been told he’s like a corpse to shag.
      
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      February 22, 2019 8:56pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Bullshit. You’re a lazy thick lefty troll.
      
      We now know what you are and will be suitably ignored and downticked.
      
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      February 22, 2019 9:28pm
Viking2

Does it accept warnings that an introduction of capital gains tax (CGT) could breach the Treaty of Waitangi?

Two large iwi organisations have submitted to the Tax Working Group (TWG) that unless they receive an exemption from CGT, the new tax would breach the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.

If the iwi case is strong enough, the path of least resistance for Labour may well be to grant iwi an exemption.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109421304/treaty-claims-could-be-the-straw-that-breaks-the-back-of-capital-gains-tax?fbclid=IwAR3higfTxlKQFmCSXcl556HlC9ER5Jmpa6JhW-9CDyjGO2yloTVAMYayQrs

Of course.
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February 22, 2019 9:32pm
- Jack5
  
  Exemption for Maori land is on the cards, as NgaiTahu and Waikato Maori are already exempt from company tax because their businesses come under group charity registrations.
  
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  February 22, 2019 9:37pm
  - DigNap15
    
    But thats not fair!
    
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    February 22, 2019 10:37pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Effectively Maori are saying that they don’t want to contribute to a fairer society. In which case (if a CGT were to go ahead), anyone who is a member of an iwi shouldn’t get a tax cut. That’s FAIR.
  
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  February 22, 2019 11:27pm
Viking2

Why property is about to boom with new tax rules…

75% of property in owner occupied- that is, free from the burden of CGT.

Owner occupiers are responsible for the overwhelming majority of pressure on house prices. These are the emotional and (in some cases) desperate buyers who pay more.

CGT and the removal of negative gearing will significantly reduce investment in new housing development.

In isolation, the result of these combined factors will see demand for housing maintained, while supply is reduced. The simple law of economics says prices will increase, just like they did last time an OECD country tried such a stunt.

South Aftrica was that country. Prices rose 139% in just 6 years.
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February 22, 2019 9:35pm
Jack5

The leader of Britain’s police chief calls for laws to allow positive race discrimination – to reduce the proportion of whites in British police.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/22/police-leader-calls-for-laws-to-allow-positive-race-discrimination
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February 22, 2019 10:04pm
DigNap15

.”what we can do better for you and your whānau”…

Make a separte one for Maori
And ask them
Why do they kill so many of their children
Why do their children run around with snot hanging from their nose.
Why do they smoke so much dope?
Why do they sell P, rather than getting a real job

And tell them that their charges will be going up to the full rate, as not many Maori pay taxes, so its only fair that you don’t get tax payer subsidies.
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February 22, 2019 10:44pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Sydney house prices have highest discounts in a decade, new data shows … Kate Burke … Domain

https://www.domain.com.au/news/sydney-house-prices-have-highest-discounts-in-a-decade-803203/

Sydney home owners are slashing prices at a rate not seen in a decade amid ongoing gloomy predictions for the state of the housing market.

Across the city, the average discount on initial prices is 8.2 per cent, or $87,134, for houses and 8 per cent, or $56,160, for apartments.

House sellers have not discounted at this level since January 2009, while apartments have not had discounts like this since 2006. … read more via hyperlink above …
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