General Debate 17 February 2019

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Manolo

The congresswoman is scum in its purest form.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/02/15/maxine-waters-calls-for-rallies-across-america-to-send-trump-a-message-no-fake-emergency/
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February 17, 2019 8:01am
- peterwn
  
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  What is the problem? Mexican wall ’emergency’ – my foot!
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:26am
  - lilman
    
    You been to Texas and border states?
    
    Not a place for the faint hearted.
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:42am
    - peterwn
      
      Gallaghers could provide a total border protection solution at a fraction of the cost of a wall.
      
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      February 17, 2019 1:25pm
  - freethinker
    
    Immigrants legal or illegal usually arrive by air sea or customs land borders, other types especially organized caravans or boatloads are invasions as they are attempts at forcible entry. If Waters and Pelosi are so convinced that walls are unnecessary for security, remove their local prisons walls and allow the inmates to wander around their locality with no worries they may be burgled or murdered.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:06am
    - Colinxy
      
      Better yet, they need to remove all the walls and fences around their homes.
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:07am
  - Ross12
    
    A big part of Trumps argument for the wall is drugs, the cartels and associated people trafficking.
    Obama declared a National Emergency related to the Cartels and their activities in 2011 and the national emergency still stands. So there was a problem/ emergency and there still is.
    
    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/executive-order-13581-blocking-property-transnational-criminal-organizat
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:41am
  - Viking2
    
    Easy to say from liil’e old NZ and a comfortable arm chair.
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:08am
  - Liberty
    
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    Trump’s wall is only being built to appease his redneck supporters.
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:27am
    - lilman
      
      No liberty,it is being built because he campaigned on the promise to build the wall and he is following through on his pledge which was supported by voters enabling him to become the President of the United States.
      Campaign Pledge- Votes – Implementation.
      
      Hard to fathom that what you think here in New Zealand counts for sweet bugger all in the US.
      
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      February 17, 2019 11:07am
      - Liberty
        
        Trump promised to whatever faction was listening . Most of it bullshit.
        Very much like Dear Leader and Winston.
        
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        February 17, 2019 3:14pm
    - tf78
      
      Liberty, there were nearly 46,000 illegal immigrants who crossed boarder in January alone – what would you do.
      
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      February 17, 2019 12:06pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        No point having a border if you can’t defend it.
        
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        February 17, 2019 10:31pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Who was Obama building his wall for?
      
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      February 17, 2019 1:21pm
      - tf78
        
        JibberJabber – Pelossi of course.
        
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        February 17, 2019 5:45pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        To keep her in or keep her out?
        
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        February 17, 2019 6:30pm
- Colinxy
  
  No fake emergency means there could be an emergency – it’s just not fake.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:31am
  - Colinxy
    
    I see a certain down ticker has a problem with logic.
    
    The sentence in question borders on a double-negative. That’s something you (the down ticker) might want to look up.
    
    It’s similar to Pink Floyd’s “Brick in the Wall” song with the line “We don’t want no education”. Which is to say “We want education”. I don’t know if they were being sly or ignorant when they wrote that. Certainly, a bunch of ignorant school children of the time loved to quote it in an act of so-called rebellion.
    
    Perhaps you’re just as ignorant…
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:03am
    - fernglas
      
      We don’t NEED no education”
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:09am
      - Colinxy
        
        I knew I should have looked up the lyrics. Thanks.
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  Why do Democrats now attract such loopy people? The Kennedy era right up to, but not including Obama, were relatively ethical politicians. The rot really did set in beginning with the ‘Dark Destroyer’.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:43am
  - Harkman
    
    Check Illinois for the 1960 Presidential election, old man Kennedy weren’t that ethical. FDR was a populist dictator like Chavez or Maduro. Chicago Dems have been rotten for over a hundred years. The KKK ran the Democrat party.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:04am
    - Inandout
      
      Harkman, I agree, Kennedy’s father was a shark, but he and other Democrats weren’t insane. They still believed in the system they operated in. Shit even organised crime were happy with capitalism, because they could see what a shambles communist countries became. No, it is the likes of AOC and Waters that send a frightening message to those who just want to work and raise a family. Most Americans still believe in the work ethic, not the welfare ethic.
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:25am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Old Joe Kennedy made his money running black market ‘hooch’ during prohibition.
      
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      February 17, 2019 10:58am
      - Tall Man
        
        Whereas ardern the liar’s sperm donor mows lawns….
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:08pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Waters, Pelosi and AOC, actors in the 21st century version of Macbeth?
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:48am
Happychappy

A very good comparison by Chris Bishop on Labour.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/16-02-2019/the-fyre-festival-was-just-like-this-labour-government-all-smoke-no-fyre/
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February 17, 2019 8:03am
- harvey wilson
  
  It’s great that the spinoff is actually letting someone who doesn’t share the same politics smug former AUT untalented woke students that write the dross there .
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:08am
  - Colville
    
    Read the comments from the snowflakes..
    
    why oh why have you let them DEMON write this FILTH… etc etc…
    
    Funny as all fuck.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:50am
- Tall Man
  
  Look at the photo of ardern the liar.
  
  What do you call a “concerned face” when it has been extensively airbrushed?
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:01am
- Dave Mann
  
  Thanks for the link happy. That was a brilliant article! So apt and so well written!
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:14am
- marquess
  
  So another virtue signalling opinion piece – throwing pot shots at the government while offering no suggestion how they would fix the mess they left behind. The nats really need to stop pughing
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:49pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Dry ur tears of impotent rage marqy marq, aim your bitterness and disappointment at the losers you voted for, worthless, incompetent and incapable, these fucking twats are unable to form a coherent thought on any subject let alone form a fucking policy.
    Heckfire, Taxcinderella can`t even virtue signal without absoludely stuffing it up, even if you SJW munters think she`s amazeballs.
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:08pm
    - marquess
      
      I didn’t vote for the nats
      
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      February 17, 2019 1:15pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nope, you voted for ardern the liar didn’t you?
        
        arden the media whore and you’re just so proud…
        
        You’re like the three year that shit’s in a potty for the first time, whichever way you phrase it, it’s still a shit.
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:05pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    So if National was in Government and being as appalling as Labour is you would be okay with that?
    
    Fabulous, and noted.
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:36pm
Longknives

Using someone’s suicide for a PR stunt, Coincidentally a few days after Mike King is all through the news saying the Government isn’t doing enough-

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110647596/pm-jacinda-ardern-sends-heartfelt-note-to-grieving-family-after-suicide

Jacinda Ardern fucking disgusts me.
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February 17, 2019 8:05am
- harvey wilson
  
  That’s as disgusting as her exploiting Grace Millanes death for attention on the worlds stage .
  
  What an awful awful cynical person she is .
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:09am
  - calendar girl
    
    The SLG – as characterised by the Speaker of the House – has done a tertiary degree in “communications”. So it must be all right.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:56am
- The only red for me is that of Manchester United
  
  “Arden is personally made aware of every suicide in the country”. So she’s now a coroner? Rubbish. Would she care about a 68 year old farmer taking his life? She doesn’t know and it would be a huge breach of privacy if it was correct. Stuff again turning Arden into a Princess Diana figure.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:12am
  - Longknives
    
    “Arden is personally made aware of every suicide in the country”
    
    Yep it is absolutely ludicrous that Labour even tried that one on…
    Two people a day commit suicide in New Zealand.
    And Jacinda Ardern is briefed on every one of them????
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:15am
    - jp_1983
      
      I’ll take Things that never happened for $500-
      
      “Arden is personally made aware of every suicide in the country”
      
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      February 17, 2019 8:21am
      - RF
        
        She is nothing but a publicity seeking corpse hugger.
        
        So desperate for votes she is portraying herself as the people’s princess.
        
        Now where have I heard that name before .
        
        Someone should remind Ardern how the people’s princess finished up.
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:28am
      - holysheet
        
        Who would want to be Cindy’s chauffeur then?
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:44am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The Stuff report said: ‘George said somebody told her that Ardern is made aware of everyone who commits suicide in New Zealand.’
      
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      February 17, 2019 8:50am
      - srylands
        
        Which is clearly not the case. Personally, I think that such personal expression of sympathy should be reserved for someone you have a connection with. Otherwise you risk making the situation worse. The Prime Minister does have a role in helping the nation deal with calamity. eg the Christchurch earthquake. However as a PM how can you get involved with each person’s personal tragedy? There are dozens every day, in many tragic forms. If a leader just picks a couple at random, the “sympathy” can make things worse. Ot you can be accused of politicising tragedy.
        
        In this case the PM seems to have been motivated by a perceived connection with the person at the centre of the tragedy. But it seems not to have been well received.
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:09am
      - sooty
        
        No! It’s the feelz remember!
        Some just feelz better than others!
        Just like the Labour sex camp groper!
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:23am
    - Wayne
      
      If true it is good as this means that she may realise that most suicide occurs impulsively and most people who commit suicide are not known to mental health services.
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:24am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      And going on stats majority of suicides in NZ are older white men, which at least the racist, sexist and ageist hate preachers of the Greens would be cheering.
      
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      February 17, 2019 2:17pm
- Yvette
  
  The mother of Amber Aziza, 27, said she was “baffled” by the handwritten note, where Ardern expressed her sorrow at the loss by writing; “I’m so, so sorry”.
  
  “In the card she wrote Jo, which is only what my friends call me, and she called my husband Tony, not Anthony. She had the kids’ names right, too,” [Joanne] George said.
  
  A spokesperson for the Prime Minister confirmed that she doesn’t do this for every family of a suspected suicide victim, but that “she had a personal connection in this case and considered this a private issue”.
  
  It seems bizarre that Ardern’s spokesperson claims Ardern has a personal connection but ‘Jo’, the recipient of the note, appears baffled about that.
  So who has released this information to the Herald, and why?
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:32am
  - Colinxy
    
    “So who has released this information to the Herald, and why?”
    
    I think that’s the more pertinent question. I don’t mind Ardern writing such a letter but why the media have to get involved is another story.
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:34am
    - holysheet
      
      The need for squirrels is so great that the nations baybeeee is no longer doing it for her anymore.
      
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      February 17, 2019 8:46am
      - Colinxy
        
        True.
        
        The media, on the other hand, will struggle to cast off accusations of their Left-leaning biased with this one.
        
        It’s a blatant “we’ve got your back prime minister” by publishing such puff pieces.
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:50am
      - sooty
        
        If she don’t for everybody.
        Why not?
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:25am
    - MCos
      
      I agree.
      From the article
      “A spokesperson for the Prime Minister confirmed that she doesn’t do this for every family of a suspected suicide victim, but that “she had a personal connection in this case and considered this a private issue”.”
      The PM seems to have been an acquaintance of the deceased, unbeknownst to her mother.
      She wrote her a private note that anyone might have done.
      Now it’s all over bloody Stuff who should have known better and the vultures are out in force.
      
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      February 17, 2019 8:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        Who “leaked” the story to stuffed?
        
        That is the story.
        
        ardern the liar’s PR team…a chamce for a “hurty face” photo?
        
        She’s a media whore.
        
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        February 17, 2019 10:08am
      - alloytoo
        
        For someone who has a communications degree Ardern appears to have communicated very poorly.
        
        You don’t use informal nomenclature in a note of this nature, you explain your relationship with the deceased specifically to avoid confusion.
        
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        February 17, 2019 10:14am
      - RF
        
        Have you noticed recent photos of the people’s princess have her making a conscious attempt to pull her top lip down over her front teeth. Thus giving the appearance of a concerned hurty face.
        
        Yuk !!!!!!
        
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        February 17, 2019 12:38pm
  - Yvette
    
    Further –
    George said somebody told her that Ardern is made aware of everyone who commits suicide in New Zealand.
    A spokesperson for the Prime Minister confirmed that she doesn’t do this for every family of a suspected suicide victim …
    
    Is the spokesperson’s comment confirmation or not that Ardern is made aware of everyone who commits suicide in New Zealand?
    
    The stuff item is headed: WARNING: THIS STORY CONTAINS SENSITIVE INFORMATION ABOUT SUICIDE
    
    One of the sensitivities about reporting suicide is an avoidance usually of describing method of death, and also anything that may glamourise it – like over reportage of size of a suicide’s farewell and number of mourners and tributes that might contribute to a sense of after-death public sensational attention.
    
    Surely, if true, that the Prime Minister is informed and your family may receive a message – not unlike the Queen sending a birthday communication to those attaining 100 years – would fall into such a category of sensationalism, to be sensitively played down.
    
    This adds importance to a statement from the Prime Minister or her office, as to why this private matter has reached stuff at all – unless it is through reactions of a family “baffled” by the handwritten note.
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Jacinda Ardern has every right to send a personal, private communication to a grieving person.
      
      Her comms staff should have made it clear to Stuff’s Journo that a private, personal communication is private and there would be no further comment on the matter from the PM’s Office.
      
      Basic Comms 101 for managing a MP’s or PM’s private and personal business.
      
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      February 17, 2019 2:49pm
- Happychappy
  
  But they were going to stop the unnecessary death’s through Suicides and the figures say it is increasing, so please PM tell us what has gone wrong.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:37am
  - srylands
    
    The only way to lower suicude would be to fix mental health services. That would take a decade with lots of money. For example, we really need publicly funded psychologists specialising in teens and young adults. They need to be trained. Money won’t fix this quickly. You need highly skilled people.
    
    At least in Wellington if you have a young adult who is depressed and suicidal the help is firstly drugs. Second a case worker who makes $20 per hour. She will organise art classes or group hugs. If he then attempts suicide it is into hospital and more drugs. Seriously that is it. Good luck with fixing it. It can’t be done with fairy dust.
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:32am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Or they could just listen and take on board the wise words of Professor Jordan Peterson. He says psychologists current advice of “you are just fine as you are” is useless advice because the person hurting inside knows that is bullshit, they are obviously not fine and need help or better advice.
      
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      February 17, 2019 4:37pm
- dime
  
  Do non Muslims get a note?
  
  Does chompers mention the funding cuts for mental health in the note?
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:55am
- Harkman
  
  I still can’t believe Mike King won NZer of the year. Mike King used to brag at all the drugs he was taking to be funny, now he’s depressed. No shit.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:07am
  - 3-coil
    
    Mr macho – but he couldn’t handle his drugs.
    
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    February 17, 2019 2:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Adern is a bitch to work for, but her MSM crawlers barely mention it. And this unwritten law that MPs private lives are sacrosanct should be shelved. They are our employees, and as such their behaviour should be monitored, not merely mentioned in biographies.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:09am
- oob
  
  I’m aghast at the child-like prose Ardern utilises.
  
  Dear Jo,
  
  I heard recently of the terrible loss of your daughter, and under such tragic circumstances, I am so, so sorry. My thoughts are with you, Tony, Jamie and Shiloh at this time.
  
  My very best wishes to you all
  
  And it’s written in tasteless ballpoint.
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:39am
  - JibberJabber
    
    A Communications degree, no less.
    Ballpoint? Maybe she ate all her crayons?
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:13pm
    - oob
      
      The correct form for personal correspondence is a fountain pen.
      
      I recommend the Lamy 2000 for everyday carry.
      
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      February 17, 2019 1:53pm
    - Tall Man
      
      My grand daughter has tried that recently. eating crayons.
      
      Sort of puts ardern the liar into perspective.
      
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      February 17, 2019 8:57pm
- jp_1983
  
  It’s been scrubbed from the Stuff App.
  Like it never happened
  
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  February 17, 2019 2:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110647596/pm-jacinda-ardern-sends-heartfelt-note-to-grieving-family-after-suicide
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:00pm
- LTA1955
  
  Clarkula was a corpse cuddler, remember the family in Manukau whose mum was on a ventilator and the power company cut the power off due to failure to pay the power bill. Guess who died? Guess who paid the family a visit? This sicko bahaviour by Jackass has precedence so we know whose running the plays for the COL dont we?
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:19pm
Chuck Bird

A very good article by Fran in this morning’s Herald. The government handling of China has not been good in many areas.

Fran O’Sullivan: Plenty on the menu for Winston Peters’ dinner date

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12204347
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February 17, 2019 8:15am
- toby1845
  
  “The government has not been good in any areas.”
  
  Fixed it for ya!
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:27am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Michael Reddell makes some good points about Nationals blind eye also
  
  https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/02/16/unfit-to-govern/
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:28am
G152

For some-one who cannot remember the first bit of the TOW yet claims are made that she is aware of each suicide ???
My bullshit meter just went off scale
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February 17, 2019 8:17am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Keeping a running total, what’s the number year to date?
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s big..it’s really really big”.
    
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Space
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:51pm
DigNap15

yes we have a Foreign Minister and senior COL partner who is pro USA and anti China
And we have a prime Minster who is a socialist
Surley the two don’t go together.
This will not end good for NZ (sadly) or the COL (hooray)
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February 17, 2019 8:21am
- backster
  
  Our foreign Minister is very chummy with Russia and Saudi Arabia too…all a matter of baubles.
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    And they certainly have big baubles.
    
    wynston is definitely a getter rather than a giver.
    
    I guess you miss out again steffy girl…
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:48pm
Manolo

Peters dictates NZ foreign policy. What does PM Ardern do?
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February 17, 2019 8:23am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  She gets briefed watching the 6 o’clock news
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:25am
- DigNap15
  
  PM Ardern
  Goes um and arh
  Pushes back
  Waves her hands
  Visits primary schools daily
  Waves her baby
  And now she keeps up with every suicide in NZ
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:26am
  - Paulus
    
    She is in Napier today at their Whatsit festival – but without Bubba.
    School’s closed as it is Sunday but she can wait !
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:27pm
- peterwn
  
  Many years ago a National Party Womens Branch senior member was explaining its function to a prospective member – ‘we leave politics to the men’.
  Things seemed to have turned a full circle.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:30am
  - sooty
    
    Saves been mansplained!
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:32am
- Komata
  
  Manolo@9823
  
  What does she ‘Do’?
  
  Well, she visits kindies, she has photoshots (and by using only the very best cameranen gives them work as well); she travels the world, she even displays ‘squirrels’ (as accessories, if course) and pretends to be an adoring ‘wife’ and ‘mummy’. She even mows lawns (Isn’t she just so clever’??)
  
  It’s such a busy, busy life, and when she gets bored and runs out if things to do, why then she even goes to Parliament where the nasty Mr Bridges asks her questions she doesn’t want to answer about things she has no knowkedge of and cares very little about anyway…
  
  She doesn’t go to Parliament very often…
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:51am
  - RF
    
    Komata
    
    Pure gold….
    
    Perhaps she can join Lees Galloway and they can hide behind pillars in Parliament Building.
    
    Both scared of their own shadows.
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:57am
holysheet

Poverty in NZ 2019

“Don’t panic Letitia, we have set up an emergency fund for such occasions. We can have $300 in your account tomorrow.” Said the Winz worker

“Oh well that’s alright then I suppose. Anyway, where does this money actually come from….like I care?”

“Well you know that chap who lives opposite you, the one who gets up at 05.30 every day, leaves his house at 06.00, doesn’t get home until 19.00 and hardly ever gets chance to see his two children? Well he kindly donates a third of his wages for needy people like yourself.”

“Really. That miserable bastard. We keep complaining about him. He wakes us up every morning starting that noisy car up when it’s still dark outside. Can you do something about it?”

“Of course we can. Leave it with us. We might start by painting double yellow lines outside his house. That should sort it.”
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- toby1845
  
  Brilliant!
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:32am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Lying in bed until lunchtime every day is bloody hard work. In fact its just not fair so weve decided to take 39% off that man so we can make sure you can afford that extra box of bourbon and cola that poverty is stopping you from having.
  The money we give you for that extra box will also help us with our numbers to show that 2 of your kids have been grabbed by the scruff of the neck and gloriously lifted out of poverty.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:34am
  - DigNap15
    
    yes, but seriously I have noticed a rise in the numbers of long parties in my lower socio-economic area.
    Good use of tax payer benefit money.
    And lots more cousies and sista’s on the couch!
    
    Carmela Sepuloni – I’m coming for you!
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:39am
    - Jules99
      
      Yep, the only all night parties in my street are in the HNZ house. Most long-suffering neighbours work for a living.
      
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      February 17, 2019 1:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Under this very concerned govt , the third world disease rheumatic fever has ticked up .
  
  ‘There are fears the Government has dropped the ball on rheumatic fever, with the number of cases rising in the last couple of years.
  
  It coincides with the Government spending less on preventing the illness which is considered a third wold disease.’
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/fears-government-has-dropped-ball-rheumatic-fever-cases-rise-v1?variant=tb_v_1
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:52am
  - Pascal
    
    The dates in the article don’t entirely agree.
    
    [[In 2011, rheumatic fever cases dropped off as a multi-million dollar prevention programme began. But from 2016, that number began rising again.]]
    
    2016 would put it in the hands of our National government.
    
    [[“The real problem is New Zealand started a world leading prevention programme which we ran for 5 years, with a big focus on primary care, attracted a huge amount of national interest and we’ve just stopped that programme two years ago,” says Mr Baker.]]
    
    2 years ago would be 2016, roughly coinciding with the timing of 2011 – 2016 for a 5 year programme.
    
    However:
    
    [[since it was stopped in 2017, the budget has halved]]
    
    What stopped in 2017? However, on the balance it doesn’t look as if it’s a Labour issue.
    
    Much as I like blaming them for our ills, this one seems to be the natural conclusion of a programme that was funded for 5 years.
    
    When I watched this piece on 1 News though, the funny bit was watching the Minister of Health – his backdrop had a gigantic photo of himself on the wall. It told me he spent the time and money to immortalise himself on the wall near his office. All other officials had the organisation they work for in the background.
    
    Ego of politicians, eh?
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:22am
- Harkman
  
  Seriously, a woman living down the road in these ugly flats (which are dragging down the neighbourhood) is as thick as pigsh*t but knows every single benefit to get and how to get it. She is married, but separated, gets a living alone benefit. Her husband who doesn’t work, gets the same, though he lives in a state house with his adult children, none of which work, she goes to a “housie” event virtually everyday, gets free medical visits. She spends her weekends with her husband. She just got matching tattoos behind each ear. She’s not due to retire for another 6 years but hasn’t worked in over a decade.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:18am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Using the social safety net as a hammock, no?
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:33am
  - Inandout
    
    Adern’s voter base.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      Steffy girl’s compatriots…
      
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      February 17, 2019 10:26am
sooty

JacinDUH running the country as PM.
Whinney keeping our allies and trading partners close.
Phail Twitford building slums.
Sleaze Gallop Away giving residencey to crimes.
Slim Porn not growing trees, or jobs.
Custard Clare trying to create a media fifedon.
Meka giving staff the bash.
Mallard been a bully.
What could possibly go wrong!
When you look at the staff line up, they certainly picked the right people for the jobs.
Man that carpark puddle was shallow!
With no possible replacements, weighting in the wings. They are stuck with the clowns out front!
Poor NZ and it’s residents!
Fracking idiots the lot of them! Pure shite!!!
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February 17, 2019 8:31am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Clowns to the left of us jokers to the right here we are stuck in the middle with them
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:38am
DigNap15

Stuff is running an article on the lack of Maori and PI tradies – good paying jobs!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110574312/where-are-the-pasifika-and-mori-skilled-tradies

Halfway down it says that Maori don’t complete their courses and that ‘we” need to do more to engage them
No they need to do more to have some work ethic and pride and a good job at the end.
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February 17, 2019 8:36am
- KevOB
  
  They may also need more basic ability which they may not possess. Not everyone can keep up with this constantly increasingly technological world. Trade requirements with all the regulatory impositions can require an expert to advise on an elementary task.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:41am
  - Paulus
    
    What you are really saying that to be a tradie you need a brain that is not sozzled with booz and drugs.
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:08am
    - KevOB
      
      That helps too. But if we keep increasing technical know how required we may divert trades away from the practical to one where a different intellectual skill set is needed. Those who can learn complex rules or how to read them may not be so able to work on”the tools”.
      
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      February 17, 2019 12:20pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Family member who ran a carpentry course with Winz referrals gave up the job from pure frustration at the lack of any interest to engage by the Maori yoof.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:53am
  - Happychappy
    
    wg: And Labour will legalize marijuana and the problem will get worse. Maori used to have a trades school in Christchurch in the 1970/80’s and they travel from all round NZ to it, with a lot of good tradesman coming from it.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:22am
- brett68
  
  There’s been hardly any Maori in the trades for as long as I can remember.
  
  The ones that are, are really good value.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:27am
- burt
  
  For some reason they didn’t note the shortage of white people in professional Rugby and Basketball. What are we going to do about that?
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:47am
  - holysheet
    
    Maybe the majority don’t give a fuck about rugby or basketball anymore?
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:39am
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‘Slogan Cindy’ finds slogans are enough to keep her voters on side. No actual achievement required:

– Most transparent government ever
– Absolutely positive
– Let’s Do This
– Only zero suicides are acceptable
– Wellbeing not GDP
– We are recalibrating
– 2019, Year of delivery
– A new way of looking at politics
– Election promises don’t count
– …
? ? ?
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February 17, 2019 8:36am
- burt
  
  You spelt ‘posadiv’ wrong
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:48am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I thought about it but couldn’t bring my pedanticism under control. ?
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:11am
    - jonno1
      
      Ah, pedanticism, the active form of pedantry.
      
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      February 17, 2019 11:47am
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    and “absoludly”
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:40am
  - greybeard
    
    You spelled “spelled” wrongly.
    🙂
    
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    February 17, 2019 6:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Ahh, spelt, vegan tucker…
      
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      February 17, 2019 8:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Heartfelt notes” released to the media to show her “caring face”.
  
  Looks a lot like the hurty face but only half the amount of teeth on display.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:55am
wiseowl

The courts in Australia are going to have to determine ‘what does it mean to be a legal parent’
The case is enough to make one sick and all those who told us gay so called marriage was about ‘love’
should be hanging their heads.
Now we have a gay couple who use a gay guy as a donor then another guy from the USA as a donor and we have two daughters caught up in a dispute over parenting.
The gay guy wants access as the legal father and the gay couple have restricted his access and want to move to NZ.
What an absolutely disgusting situation and can someone tell me if a kid is conceived by syringe is that love?
As I said after Coffey announced he was having a kid ,these arrangements will cause major problems for society in the future and a lot of crazy mixed up kids.
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February 17, 2019 8:40am
- holysheet
  
  Thats okay, the taxpayer will yet again carry the can for all this bullshit.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:02am
- lifesgood
  
  One day people will look back and
  Shake their heads. This won’t be the last of the many court cases on the issue. When artificially conceived kids grow up and learn the truth they will no doubt be seriously affected by it and will litigate. How come it is unacceptable for good people to adopt now days “because of the harm it does to kids” but this sort of nonsense is permitted at will and seemingly unregulated?
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:12am
- tf78
  
  That’s where the French have come up with a cunning plan – Parent One, Parent Two, Parent Three and Parent Four or how ever many you wish to add. It will take a long time to find the right parents when the village is raising the child.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:30am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Now we have a gay couple who use a gay guy as a donor then another guy from the USA as a donor and we have two daughters caught up in a dispute over parenting.
  
  My God, you’re right! If only, if only we would restrict parenting to heterosexual couples, among whom messy custody disputes are completely unknown!
  
  …can someone tell me if a kid is conceived by syringe is that love?
  
  If an abused and neglected kid is conceived by a penis squirting semen into a vagina, is that love?
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:54am
  - Nukuleka
    
    PM: such crude, patronising cynicism.
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think your school reports must have been riddled with
    
    “could try harder”.
    
    If you are trying to be sacrcastic…fail
    
    If you are trying to show your wit…witless
    
    If you’re trying to show to show us just how much of a SNAG you are…well, we don’t actually care.
    
    The story is of a couple of lyinng freaks regardless of their sexual persuasion. They broke the promises they made so they are probably a perfect fit for the lying labour party is NZ. Being sexual misfits is just a bonus eh?
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:31am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes imagine being a child growing up knowing that you were bought up by two guys or two girls!
  Its not natural
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:16am
  - fernglas
    
    Homosexuality is natural. Child rearing is natural. Or do you mean by “not natural” that you don’t approve?
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      That is your opinion, but not shared by all.
      
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      February 17, 2019 10:32am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Homosexuality has been observed in many species. Does God hate gay bulls? Why did he make them gay?
        
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        February 17, 2019 2:28pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So has mental illness.
        
        What’s your point.
        
        So has psychotic rage.
        
        What’s your point.
        
        So has …
        
        https://www.onlinepsychologydegree.info/lists/information-mental-disorders-in-animals/
        
        What’s your point…..
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:42pm
  - holysheet
    
    And we have the evidence of such failings in our very own Jimmy two mums.
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:44am
- Fletch
  
  When homosexuality was decriminalized; when, first, same-sex civil unions were made legal, and then gay marriage, all those who prophesied that worse was to come and that it was a slippery slope were laughed at and told, no, no this is it.
  
  And yet, here we are… Men pretending to be women, and women pretending to be men having tailor-made babies via surrogates and causing all sorts of legal problems. Kids not knowing who their real parents are, etc. Men competing as women in high level sports and trans females being lauded on the covers of women’s fashion magazines. It’s all gone way too far. It would all read as laughable if these people weren’t so serious about it.
  
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  February 17, 2019 11:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0WvXpyufT8
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:34pm
- Antoine
  
  > can someone tell me if a kid is conceived by syringe is that love?
  
  I am a straight man married to a woman, my kid was conceived using a syringe for medical reasons, I can tell you it is most definitely love.
  
  A.
  
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  February 17, 2019 11:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    Congratulations.
    
    However, this is not the situation with these people.
    
    One makes a promise then reneges.
    
    Put yourself in his shoes.
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:38pm
EAD_THREE

The MSM in the UK is crying out in pain as Karl Marx’s memorial is defaced in London on Saturday yet they actively employ Jewish Writers such as Afua Hirsch who argue that English Hero Lord Nelson’s Column should be torn down in Trafalgar Square:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/22/toppling-statues-nelsons-column-should-be-next-slavery

It’s almost as if Britain has a hostile elite with an alien agenda running their media and institutions.

https://news.sky.com/story/senseless-karl-marx-memorial-vandalised-for-second-time-in-two-weeks-11639330

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/16/karl-marxs-london-memorial-vandalised-for-second-time

A memorial to Karl Marx has been vandalised for the second time in two weeks in a “senseless” attack.

Vandals covered the grave with the words “Doctrine of Hate” and “Architect of Genocide” written in red paint.

I think the sensible option would be for the defenders of Marx to explain the allegations of the graffiti, namely the 66,000,000 million victims of Bolshevism and the catchy phrase ”Ideology of starving”.
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February 17, 2019 8:41am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Warning: ‘Jewish Writers’.
  You’re just jealous of Karl Marx because Adolf Hitler has no grave.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:53am
  - EAD_THREE
    
    You’re just jealous of Karl Marx because Adolf Hitler has no grave
    
    well, if Nationalism won out against Globalism 74 years ago, instead of venerated statutes of Marx, there would be statutes of Hitlers around the globe. But no, we now live in a Marxist hell full of degeneracy, imported cannibals, destroyed genders, and no future for our children as a result of the poison fruit of Marxism.
    
    I’d highly recommend that you take 2 minutes and 20 seconds of your mundane life to watch this short, digitally colourised film footage of the Hitler Youth and Nuremberg rally (an amazing historical video that almost made me cry) just for a different perspectivefor once in your life:
    
    https://twitter.com/VJ_Rises/status/1096549663602368514
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO, take a couple of minutes and reflect for a time on your Adolf’s ignominious downfall along with the crumbling ruins of his 1,000 year Reich!
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PmzdINGZk
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:26am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sure EAdolf, I’ll take a look at your inspirational Nazi propaganda. Just off to clip my toenails first.
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:36am
      - EAD_THREE
        
        About the most exciting thing you’ll be doing all day 🙂
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:46am
      - Jack5
        
        The “pull down Nelson” English lawyer-journalist Afua Hirsch mentioned by EAD has an interesting background.
        
        Wikipedia reports she was born in Stavanger, Norway, to a British father and an Akan mother from Ghana, and raised in Wimbledon, south London.
        
        Her paternal grandfather, Hans (later John), who was Jewish, had fled Berlin in 1938. Her great-uncle is the metallurgist Sir Peter (originally Kurt) Hirsch. Her maternal grandfather, who graduated from the University of Cambridge, was involved in establishing the post-independence education system in Ghana but later became a political exile.
        
        Afua Hirsch is another person with a hang-up about their mixed-race heritage. Like the idiot who wrote a long series in Stuff about being an adult learner of Maori.
        
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        February 17, 2019 11:31am
      - Jack5
        
        They might be defacing Marx’s grave in London, but China has just put up a statue of Marx in Trier, his German birthplace.
        
        Political fashions in statues change. Some future far right Government in Britain might raise statues to old colonial heroes, just as NZ might put up one to someone like von Tempsky.
        
        In Mongolia, there’s a fairly new 40m (130ft) high statue of Genghis Khan. New York’s Statue of Liberty is 46m high, but with its pedestal is 93m.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan_Equestrian_Statue
        
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        February 17, 2019 11:40am
- JibberJabber
  
  66 million million, just a number, Bro.
  https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/21/death-statistic/
  
  But, interestingly enough the Commie plan to control the populace thru starvation continues, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, soon South Africa.
  And here in NZ the Greens have plans, their attacks on farming and their planned compulsory diet for all NZers one no beef pattie per week, I`d love to see how that`s gonna go down in South Auckland for a start.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:57am
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    Carry on the JibberJabber!
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:02am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Denial, not just a river in Africa.
      It`s practically no.1 in the manifesto, you`d know that if you were able to comprehend the written word.
      
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      February 17, 2019 10:43am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD THREE, and Karl Marx’s gentile collaborator Fredrich Engels ashes are thought to scattered at Beachy Head near Eastbourne,
  
  https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/2240/friedrich-engels
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:01am
  - pentwig
    
    stoopidthing
    leave the mall cafe early today did you?
    Mum’s must be learning not to take their young children there as the self confessed pervert may be lurking.
    shame on you!
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:43am
Happychappy

What has gone wrong in health has the Government taken their eyes off the ball concerning Rheumatic Fever after National lower the figures when the targeted it while in Government or will Dr Clark blame National for this problem getting worse.
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February 17, 2019 8:44am
- holysheet
  
  it’s those nine long years of neglect that is the problem didn’t you know.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    Looong….
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:50am
  - stigie
    
    Yes, that nine long years of neglect is starting to wear rather thin from this inept government.
    Will the delivery from these 200+ working groups at a huge cost to the taxpayer work or will it be like Kullen”s tax group, just another wankfest !~
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:55am
RF

Interesting that Ardern wet her pants when Deputy dwarf ridiculed Simon’s pronunciation of China.

Yet on a daily basic we are served up her gems such as – beda, thunk, poverdy etc…..

As my late granny would say… dead common.
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February 17, 2019 8:46am
- holysheet
  
  Common as muck.
  Her IQ is lower than her shoe size.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:54am
  - Inandout
    
    Her mouth size could accommodate both her shoes and any other projectile nearby.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:30am
    - Tall Man
      
      ooo, you’re going to get a “hurty face”.
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:50am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Winston and Jacinda were rude and wrong to mock Bridges’ pronunciation. They were rightly called out for it.
  
  However, Kiwibloggers don’t get the moral high ground here. We were mocking her “posidividy” and routinely referring to “Gweens”, long before Winston mentioned “Choyna”. If it’s tasteless bullying when he does it, let’s stop doing it ourselves
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    We’re not elected representatives of the “whole ” of New Zealand, smarties, morons, retards, maori, europeans, asians and so on.
    
    Therefore, we are allowed a lower bar.
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:29pm
- calendar girl
  
  Ardern’s mispronunciation of the letter ‘t’ as a ‘d’ is not a “speech impediment” in the normal sense of such an affliction. It is nothing more or less than lazy, sloppy pronunciation that has become an ingrained personal habit which is now common to many New Zealanders, especially younger females. It sets a very poor example for young people in general.
  
  If Ardern wishes to avoid being mocked for her ‘posidiv’ speaking style, she herself has the freedom and ability to do some personal improvement work:
  
  1. Hire a professional speech trainer and take private elocution lessons (out of the public eye; and surely she can afford the expense); and
  
  2. Devote 10 minutes each morning and evening in front of a mirror to reciting passages of prose (or series of particular words) assigned by her trainer.
  
  If Ardern has a firm commitment to ridding herself of her sloppy speech distraction, her spoken English could become quite normal, naturally, within two or three months. If, however, she lacks the required personal determination to rid herself of her poor pronunciation, I would have other concerns about her personal commitment to anything of importance. Maybe someone in the New Zealand Speech-language Therapists’ Association https://speechtherapy.org.nz/ could be trusted to help her under an agreement of confidentiality.
  
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  February 17, 2019 2:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I just wish she’d fuck off.
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:24pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Winston probably put, ‘must laugh at my lame arse jokes’ in the coalition agreement.
  
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  February 17, 2019 11:39pm
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Chinese foreign ministry addresses NZ-China relationship

The Chinese foreign ministry has told reporters China is ready to work with New Zealand on new progress for bilateral relations.

A Foreign Ministry spokesperson, Geng Shuang, addressed reporters during a press conference and was asked about the relationship between the two countries.

A Chinese state-run newspaper has reported some travellers are avoiding New Zealand, and Auckland’s Chinese consulate is warning tourists about robberies and visa difficulties in this country.

In a written transcript of the press conference Mr Shuang said he did not comment on remarks by the press and added: “You should know that we, not a Chinese newspaper, represent the official position of the Chinese government.”

He says he doesn’t think warning notices issued since December, the most recently regarding the Tasman fires, could be interpreted as a warning against Chinese travelling to New Zealand.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/382667/chinese-foreign-ministry-addresses-nz-china-relationship

Ho hum business as usual!
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February 17, 2019 8:56am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  So from what position are they wanting to begin “new progress on bilateral relations”? Kind of suggests things were not what they once were perhaps?
  
  This is the problem; in your haste to ejaculate some retort or put down you fail to read the words and understand their meaning. The Chinese have been playing this game for a millennia so the subtlety in the way they go about interaction is often lost on our short attention span culture. Unfortunately our PM and her government have not only short attention spans but a catastrophic lack of guile to accompany it.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    They are fairly low on intellect as well.
    
    Perhaps ardern the liar could sent a “heartfelt note”.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:48am
- Tall Man
  
  ardern is a liar and a media whore.
  
  Who would use a suicide to boost their flagging media image?
  
  ardern the liar
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:49am
- pentwig
  
  stoopidthing
  if you believe that then you are just plain dumb – not naive, just dumb.
  DUH!
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:49am
Manolo

A nutter is exposed:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-stein-ocasio-cortez_us_5c480aabe4b083c46d63b0ce

Ben Stein on Tuesday claimed policies advocated by freshman lawmaker Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) “invariably lead to bad things,” including genocide.

Ocasio-Cortez has made headlines for advocating higher marginal tax rates of up to 70% on earnings past $10 million in income as well as a “Green New Deal” to tackle the climate crisis.
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February 17, 2019 9:05am
- KevOB
  
  The woman’s blinded by her estimation of her self worth only exceeded by her ignorant delusion. She can dream, stir but accomplish nothing practical beyond that of worth.
  Your advocacy is wasted. Even frogs dance in a heated frypan.
  Seasoned, rational, capable people are needed at the govt level.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:36am
  - MCos
    
    Why have so many of her detractors been so blinded by their estimation of her influence that she has become influential?
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:20am
    - Tall Man
      
      Like steffy girl, you “do” nonsense so well.
      
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      February 17, 2019 10:34am
    - KevOB
      
      Is she actually influential or a media star exciting copy? The outrageous sells. When did you last see a headline about a gentle summer warming?
      
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      February 17, 2019 12:24pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Man made so that lets the ladies off…
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:23pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  This Ben Stein does sound like a complete loon, yes.
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:46am
  - pentwig
    
    psycho one
    i wonder if he takes the same pills as you?
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:53am
  - Fletch
    
    “Bueller… Bueller…”
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:28am
- MCos
  
  Let’s hope her proposed marginal tax is never introduced here.
  All my mates on incomes exceeding $US10mil intend sparking a mass protest through the streets of downtown Sandringham to show the PM they’re not going to be kicked around any longer.
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    Hate to say it. but I’m pretty sure it will never affect you or your mates.
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:40am
    - toby1845
      
      Actually, I’m pretty sure Mcos doesn’t have any mates.
      
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      February 17, 2019 11:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh Comrade where art thou
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrxdAECxgxY
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:31am
kowtow

Reference China bullying , Palau will be the one to watch as it was subjected to all out economic strangulation by the Comrades.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/16/pacific-islands-may-pivot-china-beijing-seeks-isolate-taiwan/
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February 17, 2019 9:21am
- Jack5
  
  Britain gets set back on trade talks with China.
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-china-trade-visit-gavin-williamson-aircraft-carrier-pacific-a8782211.html
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:02am
  - SGA
    
    I’m sure it is Peters and Ardern’s fault somehow 😉
    Someone will be along shortly to explain why.
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:20am
    - Happychappy
      
      SGA didn’t Winston First say that they were at the top of the line after his talks in January.
      
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      February 17, 2019 11:35am
      - SGA
        
        No idea, my cheerful friend. My comment is more of the nature that there is a global issue concerning with relations with China, and that we should bear that in mind when looking at NZ’s situation. That’s how I see it anyway. Unlike some here, I’m not sure that changing the name of our largest party in parliament from National to Nachinal is the answer though.
        
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        February 17, 2019 11:51am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      No explanation is necessary.
      
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      February 17, 2019 2:16pm
Hugh Pavletich

China’s economic downturn leads to increased worker protests and strikes across the country – China power – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-16/workers-protests-on-the-rise-as-chinas-economy-slows/10793204

How could a sharp slowdown in China affect growth prospects for the rest of Asia? | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2186377/how-could-sharp-slowdown-china-affect-growth-prospects-rest

China’s Property Market, Once a Lifeline, Now Carries Economic Risks – WSJ
… behind paywall …

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-property-market-once-a-lifeline-now-carries-economic-risks-11550322001
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February 17, 2019 9:28am
- DigNap15
  
  China is the world’s factory.
  As the world’s population grows, so it needs more Chinese goods, and as more people in China become middle class they will need more goods from China
  So its not a problem for them’
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:18am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Fence-sitting over China has got harder | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/110594704/fencesitting-over-china-has-got-harder
    
    Sanford reports China export issues amid search for signs of ‘payback … Stuff
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110626264/sanford-reports-china-export-issues-amid-search-for-signs-of-payback?cid=app-iPad
    
    China’s housing glut casts pall over the economy – Nikkei Asian Review
    
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Cover-Story/China-s-housing-glut-casts-pall-over-the-economy
    
    China puts economy at risk by spurning market-oriented reforms it once promoted, long-time observer Nicholas Lardy warns | South China Morning Post
    
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2185905/china-puts-its-economy-risk-spurning-market-oriented-reforms-it
    .
    .
    China Beige Book CEO: China’s economy is weaker than data suggests … CNBC
    
    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/02/11/china-beige-book-ceo-chinas-economy-is-weaker-than-data-suggests.html
    
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    February 17, 2019 10:39am
    - Jack5
      
      On DigNap’s point …
      
      According to the Economist, China in 1990 produced less than 3 per cent of global manufacturing output by value.
      
      By 2015, China, linking with other Asian industrial growth countries, had lifted Asia’s share of world global manufacturing to nearly half.
      
      These things change. England was the first to be called the “world’s factory” then Germany and the United States overtook it.
      
      Trump is out to lift America against China. You have to sympathise with him the way the Communist Chinese have ripped off Western patent rights. China has surged on Western technology. This article explaining how it took over the American-developed solar industry from Germany is an example:
      
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-china-is-dominating-the-solar-industry/
      
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      February 17, 2019 11:18am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        It was the former governor of Chongqing Province Bo Xilai …
        
        Bo Xilai – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Xilai
        
        … who is reputed to have said ‘There is no more nervous a politician than an un-elected one.’
        
        Jack5 … why do you think the Chinese authorities are behaving so defensively ?
        
        What happens to them when the gigantic property ponzi collapses ?
        
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        February 17, 2019 11:59am
      - Universal Smith
        
        “it took over the American-developed solar industry from Germany is an example”
        
        So did you complaining about the Germans taking over the American-developed solar industry?
        
        Most of your comments are logically flawed and reference race or religion. It seems to be a pattern.
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:24pm
Lee C

HDPA advises Ardern to ‘rein in Peters’ – that essentially sums up her lack of understanding about who is running teh country.
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February 17, 2019 9:51am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  ‘Sums up her lack of understanding’ there fixed it for you
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:27am
- JibberJabber
  
  Probably need to cut HdPA some slack she hasn`t been here long and doesn`t understand how the political ~~system~~ shemozzle here works.
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:48am
  - sooty
    
    Should be mansplained by Whinney!
    
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    February 17, 2019 2:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    No pillow talk with her piss head husband?
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:20pm
- Justitia
  
  D’Obtuseness-Allen and Barely Sober have been pumping out the same pro-Beijing line for weeks. What interesting pillow-talk they must share. Perhaps they are taking Chinese lessons?
  
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  February 17, 2019 10:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

UK Chancellor gets a disinvite to China
Chancellor Philip Hammond’s visit to China not going ahead
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47264476
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February 17, 2019 10:05am
- stephieboy
  
  And the East Coast Forestry is going to collapse!
  
  Sigh!
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:26pm
  - Swifty
    
    Hey Stiffy – you keep evading the question, how much wood did NZ export to China last year?
    
    You’re not normally this quiet. What’s wrong? Why have you suddenly gone mute on this subject?
    
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    February 17, 2019 12:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Too busy fellating a goat. She’ll be back when ardern stops lying.
      
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      February 17, 2019 8:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    stephieboy,
    you demonstrated conclusively a couple of days ago that you know nothing about the NZ Forestry industry.
    
    Log exports to China are about nil,
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/general_debate_15_february_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2428538
    
    I imagine you think you are making a point each time you attach an inane comment to one of my posts.
    
    Your point escapes me…
    
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    February 17, 2019 3:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Unlawful sales of UK weapons to the Saudis

Report finds UK arms ‘highly likely to be cause of significant civilian casualties in Yemen’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/16/uks-saudi-weapons-sales-unlawful-lords-committee-finds
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February 17, 2019 10:17am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, and the US concluded this massive arms deal with Saudi Arabia,
  
  https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/411271-trump-defends-110-billion-us-arms-sale-to-saudi-arabia
  
  Aye?
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do you imagine that I think one warmonger is better than another?
    
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    February 17, 2019 3:08pm
- KevOB
  
  The Saudis are at war with Yemen so their ally and supplier the USA assists and expects others to join too.
  It looks like a Sunni/Shia situation with local territorial rights at stake. The law is settled by the winners and the people are the losers.
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:35pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Obama made the Saudis the biggest buyer of US arms as they tooled up for the Yemen atrocities.
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:20pm
Maggie Pie

Old Chinese proverb:
“Never send a man to do a womans job”
Especially if that woman is our Prime Minister and that man is Kelvin Davis 🙂
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February 17, 2019 10:19am
- waikatogirl
  
  Is old Kelvin going to take a delegation of Maori up to do a haka for the Chinese. They will be so impressed that should fix everything. ?
  
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  February 17, 2019 11:47am
  - Inandout
    
    Especially if the Chinese get whacked by a welcoming stick.
    
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    February 17, 2019 12:22pm
DigNap15

Yemen is a basket case and has been for the last two hundred years.
Its not a country, it was two countries, and before that it was a collection of tribes that don’t like each other.
Who do you prefer?
Saudi Arabia
Iran or
Turkey.
They all want to be the major play in islam.
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February 17, 2019 10:20am
- waikatogirl
  
  I see one of the British girls who went to Syria at the age of 15 and is now 19 years of old wants to return to Britain. She is currently pregnant with her 3rd child. The first two died due to malnutrition. She believes in the ISIS caliphate and would have liked to see it succeed, said life was hard and she saw severed heads of Westerners in a bin and was not upset by that. She said she did the right thing going to Syria but wants to return to the UK to bring up her child and does not believe she should be held to account for her ongoing support of ISIS.
  I assume she would bring up her child to believe what she believes.
  
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  February 17, 2019 11:54am
  - Inandout
    
    waikato, nothing as radical as a convert.
    
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    February 17, 2019 12:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    She might be legally British , but culturally she’s all Bengali .
    
    Rivers of Blood.
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:13pm
    - starboard
      
      The Poms are so stupid, they will let her back in.
      
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      February 17, 2019 2:18pm
Viking2

The history of Rhythm and vines.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503078&gal_cid=1503078&gallery_id=203599

quite a long video but interesting. Some people you will recognize and you may even see your daughters/current wife. 😆
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February 17, 2019 10:26am
Viking2

Willie trying not to be racist.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110574312/where-are-the-pasifika-and-mori-skilled-tradies

around 2.37.
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February 17, 2019 10:41am
- Jack5
  
  That article includes a comment from a Ngai Tahu researcher.
  
  Ngai Tahu could help young Maori into apprenticeships. Wasn’t that the sort of thing the tribe’s sweetheart settlements and top-ups were meant for?
  
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  February 17, 2019 11:05am
  - holysheet
    
    Get real!
    All that whitey cash was for the tribal elites to spend as they see fit. The good old taxpayer still has to pay for all the other shit required to prop the hoi poi up.
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:52am
Happychappy

This is not good new for honest Landlords
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/110558947/sex-for-rent-adverts-placing-women-at-risk-as-dark-side-of-housing-crisis-exposed
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February 17, 2019 10:53am
- Viking2
  
  Well those people are not landlords under the RTA. They are renting rooms(beds) and are not covered under the ACT.
  
  Stupid fucking reporters who can’t even use Google to look up the law.
  
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  February 17, 2019 1:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    They don’t know how…they’re 12 years old you mean fucker…
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:11pm
Jack5

Stuff kicks along the grievance cause as usual with an article by a Maori aged about 17 moaning about not being taught more Maori history in school.

Why has everything to be packaged for them? There are plenty of books to read, and plenty of libraries where they are freely available. Many, such as in Christchurch, go out of their way to make Maori feel at home.

If the State were to buy Stuff and merge it with State TV and State radio this article is the sort of garbage we would be deluged with.

What would such an NZ version of the old State propaganda arm Pravda be called?

You bet: Aotearoa Kawepurongo Tokapu. The print arm would be Niupepa Tokapu; the TV arm, Terewihana Tokapu; and Red Radio would be Reo Irirangi Tokapu.

Can’t wait.

The article:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/110630782/if-we-dont-learn-about-nzs-history-at-school-well-lose-our-identity
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February 17, 2019 11:01am
- Rachael Membery
  
  No parents? No kaumatua? No internet?
  
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  February 17, 2019 2:24pm
  - Tall Man
    
    No interest…
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Once upon a time there were private (church) schools where Maori could retain/practice their identity:
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/diagram/35036/maori-schools
  (Turakina MG, Hato Petara now closed)
  Most have closed from lack of patronage or evidence of violence.
  
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  February 17, 2019 3:20pm
wiseowl

Whose ‘identity’?
History is history.
If Maari want to retain their identity let them do it themselves.The rest of us that aren’t maari, the majority,may want to earn history in an objective way.So that we learn from history.
What they want is to wallow in some dream world that never existed and get paid for being special.
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February 17, 2019 11:17am
- Happychappy
  
  It would be nice if you spelt Maori right instead of your version. Other people like myself get pulled up for incorrect spelling and you get away with ignorance.
  
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  February 17, 2019 11:43am
  - holysheet
    
    if you cannot beat em, join em. Stop bitching about the spelling of a word that he spelt the way it is pronounced. The young maaris or mouddeys want it pronounced that way.
    Anyway who care about a stone age language.
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:56am
    - Happychappy
      
      My Grandchildren are Part Maori and I take offence, that doesn’t mean I agree with the Language but show some respect for others. You want to take note of your bitching at stephieboy and Chuck if you are going to call others on it.
      
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      February 17, 2019 12:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        By the way, which part?
        
        Or can they part european? Which part will provide them with the most economic charity from the rest of us.
        
        I am a New Zealander of mixed race and heritage, not part anything FFS.
        
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        February 17, 2019 12:54pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Well my Son in law is Maori and he owns his own business and his wife also works Manage’s the Business she works in so they both contribute to the tax system like you,they own their own house pay rates and all so they are entitled to the charity you think you supply. Listen their is good and bad in all races and they are untitled to their belief the same as you.
        
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        February 17, 2019 1:31pm
      - starboard
        
        “My Grandchildren are Part Maori and I take offence…”
        
        Aww, you poor thing..
        
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        February 17, 2019 2:20pm
      - stigie
        
        Im suprised you’re offended Happy, my teenage grand daughters are part Maori and when i tell them it’s spelt “mouldy” the way it sounds, they say piss off granddad, and proceed to have a chuckle !~
        
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        February 17, 2019 3:19pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Happy, my children and grandchildren are as much Maori as Simon Bridges. However, they have little time for worshipers of the paedophile prophet.
        
        Many of my extended family are Maori but they are paid to work in the prisons.
        
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        February 18, 2019 8:31pm
- stephieboy
  
  Wiseowl,
  
  Speaking of identity,
  
  NOSTALGIA FOR THE EMPIRE AND ‘IDENTITY POLITICS’ FOR WHITE PEOPLE: STEFAN MOLYNEUX AND LAUREN SOUTHERN IN SYDNEY
  
  August 2, 2018 · by James Robb · in anti-Chinese racism, Australia, censorship, freedom of speech, identity politics, immigration, racism, rightist groups and currents. ·
  
  “The two Canadian rightist provocateurs touring Australasia at present are often compared to Fascists, even described as Fascists themselves. I was curious to know how they would pitch to their own audience during their Australasian tour, and who would be in the audience – but I was unwilling to pay the hefty fee for a ticket to find…”
  
  https://convincingreasons.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/nostalgia-for-the-empire-and-identity-politics-for-white-people-stefan-molyneux-and-lauren-southern-in-sydney/
  
  What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Even though you’re the goose?
    
    ardern is a liar.
    
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    February 17, 2019 12:51pm
  - pentwig
    
    holy hell stoopidthing
    you are not with geese as well?
    really?
    
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    February 17, 2019 7:26pm
DigNap15

If they wanted to learn history, they would have invented writing so they could record it.!
I love history, and am proud of my British heritage.
But people need to realise that in school, there is only so much you can learn in a few years.
Do you learn Maori history
NZ history
British History
American History
European History
The two world Wars?
Asian history.
Which one or some of each.
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February 17, 2019 11:22am
- marcw
  
  I learnt NZ history in school, and (amazing I know) it included Maori history as that is part of the NZ history. Now the separatists want it to be special.
  
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  February 17, 2019 11:47am
- stephieboy
  
  All including Maori History
  
  Who invented writing?
  
  The ancient Britons didn’t and the Romans borrowed their alphabet from the Etruscans. And the British from the Romans etc, etc
  
  Next idiotic question?
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:41pm
  - Tall Man
    
    We’re still waiting for you to ask it idiot..
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    ardern is a sicko media whore
    
    I used to post what steffy was but I was asked to stop as no one gives a fuck about steffy. Sub human nit is what I was thinking if you’re interested steffy.
    
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    February 17, 2019 12:49pm
  - stigie
    
    For a moment there Stiffy i thought you said “next erotic question” ?
    
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    February 17, 2019 2:29pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      It was on the tip of his tongue, Stigie!
      
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      February 17, 2019 6:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Alomg with a taste of goat shit…
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:07pm
DigNap15

Who is going to teach it?
A trained historian or a young twenty year old snowflake?
In my view the idea of teaching history at school is to get a better understand of things, and then if you wish later in life you can study history that suits you.
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February 17, 2019 11:24am
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15, a 21-year-old or so Classical History graduate or Modern History will certainly know much, much more than you ever will!
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:43pm
- DigNap15
  
  Eg I love military history.
  I’ve just found a couple of videos on a guy called Vlad the Impaler.
  He led his people in Wallachia (part of modern day Rumania) against invasion from the Ottoman Empire.
  He did some amazing things (hence his name)
  he nearly succeeded in clearing the Ottomans (turks) out of Europe, but he was let down by the Hungarians of all people.
  A lot of people seem to have him as their hero!
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:45pm
  - stephieboy
    
    DigNap15 and Britain and France allied with the Ottomans to check Imperial Russia’s expansion southwards culminating in the Battle Balaclava.
    
    https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Balaklava
    
    Next display of historical ignorance?
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:05pm
    - DigNap15
      
      @Stephieboy
      Don’t take me on regarding history, I have quite a good general knowledge of it, and some very specific knowledge in certain periods. Plus a big library
      At the time of Vlad’s rule Europe was under a determined attack by the Ottomans, which did not stop until their huge armies reached Vienna and were pushed back with help from the Poles. That was in 1683.
      Two hundred years later, the Ottoman Empire was known as the sick man of Europe and was in gradual retreat in the face of the Balkan people rising up and Russian expansion.
      The Russians were trying to get an outlet for their Black Sea Fleet via Constantinople which is why the British and French stepped in to help the Turks.
      Incidentally the Battle of Balaklava was just after the start of the Anglo French landings and the war ended 2 years later!
      So its all down to politics and diplomacy.
      There are many cases of countries fighting each other then a generation later fighting on the same side and vice versa.
      
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      February 17, 2019 2:29pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Vlad lived in the 15th century. The battle of Balaclava was in the 19th century. Stephieboy is only out by 400 years.
      
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      February 17, 2019 4:58pm
      - pentwig
        
        once again the stoopidthing makes a fool of itself
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:23pm
- Tall Man
  
  Cullen, get the prick out of our parliament as an unelected pest.
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:50pm
Fletch

The Dems and GOP get together to describe Trumps’ view on immigration and govt funding –

“we rejected the toxic and hate-filled immigration policies of President Trump.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/02/16/leahy-govt-funding-bill-rejected-hate-filled-trump-immigration-policies/

What the actual fk? How is it “hate filled” to stop people coming into your country illegally? These people make me angry with the shit they spout. Would a liberal entertainer like Streisand be as forgiving of people bypassing security to illegally get into her concert without a ticket? And especially ones who have come in to deal drugs at a concert? Would she be OK with that? What if all the people who didn’t want to pay just formed a mob and planned to rush in all together? Maybe security wouldn’t be able to stop them.

Then why so vehemently in favour of letting people into your own country who have no right to be there?
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February 17, 2019 11:36am
- holysheet
  
  The lefty fuck wits have very short memories.
  Back in July 2014 Obama asks Congress for $3.7 billion to deal with border crisis
  In a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, President Obama asked Congress for $3.7 billion to cope with a flood of immigrants from Central America who are illegally crossing the U.S. border. The administration says more than 51,000 unaccompanied children have entered the USA since October.
  
  Now that Trump is trying to do something, they get all hurty feelings and object.
  Whats it with the left and their hurty feelings?
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    holyturd, except Obama, had no intention of building a 1900 mile border wall or promising to make Mexico pay for it!
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:08pm
    - holysheet
      
      Wadda yous on mon?
      Trump is just continuing the build of the wall that Clinton started.
      
      1993 – President Bill Clinton mandates construction on a 13-mile “Border Wall” along a line in the sand between San Diego and Tijuana. It is projected to cost $39 million and reduce border apprehensions from 100,000 per day to 5,000 per day for those 13 miles. Emigrants find other paths.
      
      1996 – President Clinton signs the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act, increasing fines for illegal entry and approving funding for more patrols and fence construction. Emigrants shift away from the traditional crossings into privately held land, causing landowners to fence their property.
      
      2006 – President Bush signs the Secure Fences act, promising 700 miles of fencing on the border, plus a virtual wall across the entire 2,000-mile border
      
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      February 17, 2019 1:33pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Ya know Stephie, IF Obama had done more to protect the border, Trump’s rhetoric would have not been so attractive to the Americans and potentially he would not have been elected.
      
      So next time you are angry at the great orange one, blame Obama
      
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      February 17, 2019 3:14pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6N8vvHvPO0
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 17, 2019 7:54pm
  - Viking2
    
    According to the Federal Register, 58 national emergencies have been declared since the National Emergency Act of 1976 was signed into law by President Gerald Ford.
    
    And 31 have been annually renewed and are currently still in effect, as listed in the Federal Register.
    
    Here’s a list of the presidents who declared still ongoing national emergencies.
    
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story?id=60294693
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:37pm
- Inandout
  
  Yes fletch, and all those high walls around celebrities’ homes. As Gran would say, ‘the fuckin liberty’.
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:26pm
  - stephieboy
    
    $12-22 billion estimated cost vs the Obama domestic wall,
    
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/real-cost-trump-border-wall-195830968.html
    
    LOL!
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Knock yourself out dirtball
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 17, 2019 7:52pm
Bill felt

Serious question: Just what is Cindy’s IQ. Can anyone estimate?
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February 17, 2019 12:16pm
- Longknives
  
  Roughly the same as this guys –
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3KpR6EyZX0
  
  Replace the Donkeys and Monkeys in his head with Pixies and Unicorns and you have Ardern!
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:28pm
- pentwig
  
  Bill
  Her incisor quality would be quite high as she needs to visit her dentist very often, as her false smiles show a huge amount of huge teeth.
  Probably explains jethros and her shares in Colgate-Palmolive.
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:31pm
  - stephieboy
    
    pent twit, make use of these equine services ,
    
    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Horse%20dentist%20auckland&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiSqOuMucHgAhWYfX0KHQihB5gQvS4wAHoECAAQFw&biw=1213&bih=787&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=-39688160,174675958,326442&tbm=lcl&rldimm=10070549239299392537&rldoc=1&tbs=lrf:!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2#rlfi=hd:;si:10070549239299392537;mv:!1m2!1d-36.673808699999995!2d174.9828952!2m2!1d-37.280880599999996!2d174.4778864;tbs:lrf:!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2
    
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    February 17, 2019 12:51pm
    - pentwig
      
      stoopidthing
      goodgrief you silly thing, get it right
      we are discussing the silly little girl not me
      i was blessed with great teeth – beneficial genetics i guess
      at least try and keep up
      idiot
      DUH
      
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      February 17, 2019 2:05pm
      - stephieboy
        
        pent twit, blessed like this?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CV59MaqIGI
        
        LOL
        
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        February 17, 2019 2:10pm
      - stigie
        
        “i was blessed with great teeth”
        So was the Prime Minister !~
        
        http://www.clker.com/cliparts/1/9/0/d/13358120871791573440laughing-horse_1024x768_3040-hi.png
        
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        February 17, 2019 4:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      steffy’s home videos……
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6N8vvHvPO0
      
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      February 17, 2019 7:51pm
- KevOB
  
  95
  
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  February 17, 2019 12:50pm
  - Bill felt
    
    I would pick about 95 as well.
    
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    February 17, 2019 1:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If we are to go by this scale, we would have to say 115 at least.
    
    115-124 – Above average (e.g., university students)
    125-134 – Gifted (e.g., post-graduate students)
    135-144 – Highly gifted (e.g., intellectuals)
    145-154 – Genius (e.g., professors)
    155-164 – Genius (e.g., Nobel Prize winners)
    165-179 – High genius
    180-200 – Highest genius
    >200 – “Unmeasurable genius”
    
    http://www.wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html
    
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    February 17, 2019 5:11pm
    - MCos
      
      Judging by the comments on this forum, which invariably place the writer on a level superior to your average professor I would say most folks here would be at least 155
      
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      February 17, 2019 5:26pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      I think we can be reasonably confident that Ardern’s support is not the result of a superior intellect.
      
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      February 17, 2019 5:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Cue steffy, marquess, mike the dyke and a few others.
        
        Idiots collect idiots…
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Cindy wanted to test her IQ online, but couldn’t understand how to start the test.
  
  https://iqtestprep.com/mensa-test-practice/
  
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  February 17, 2019 1:08pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Her IQ is not the issue. It is what she chooses to do with it that is concerning. Intelligence can not replace morals nor impart intellectual honesty.
  
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  February 17, 2019 2:22pm
Inandout

I love bacon.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/fury-bacon-scrawled-walls-newcastle-15212520

The council is furious, the police are furious, the Muslims are secretly smiling.

https://www.telegraf.rs/english/2546455-graffiti-appeared-on-a-little-chapel-in-slovenia-allah-is-great
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February 17, 2019 2:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  I take it would not be Ok to do the same at a Jewish Synagogue?
  
  Yes?
  
  Why?
  
  Here is something from your second tabloid link that might titillate and turn you on,
  
  https://www.telegraf.rs/english/3033159-sex-affair-in-petrovac-a-girl-15-had-orgies-with-the-sons-of-local-sheriffs-and-then-with-them-as-well?utm_source=nove_povezane_vesti&utm_medium=najnovije&utm_campaign=nove_povezane_vesti&utm_content=5
  
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  February 17, 2019 2:05pm
  - Inandout
    
    Goatherder.
    
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    February 17, 2019 2:15pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Why would that titillate anyone?
    
    Oh I see steffy girl, it titillated you.
    
    You keep forgetting that you are a sexual misfit but
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 17, 2019 7:45pm
starboard

Jimmy two Mums is a loon.

Courtesy of Taxpayers Union.

“Twice this week, Green Party leader James Shaw said that the Government doesn’t deserve re-election if it doesn’t introduce a capital gains tax. ?
That’s a stunning commitment to make before we even know what the Tax Working Group’s proposal will look like.

In contrast, Winston Peters has remained conspicuously silent on the issue. Hopefully, this is a sign that he is approaching the policy with more caution than the Greens, waiting to see the detail of the tax before making sweeping commitments.

This is Winston Peters’ chance to be better than the Greens. When the proposal is made public next Thursday, all eyes will be on New Zealand First, which has the power to save New Zealanders from a capital gains tax if it fails the test of fairness.

Our recent report Five Rules for a Fair Capital Gains Tax argues that the tax should only be supported if it is levied at a competitive rate, includes roll-over relief on death, is indexed for inflation, is revenue neutral, and eschews the ‘valuation day’ approach.

Only if those criteria are satisfied could a capital gains tax be considered fair. We say the ‘CGT-at-all-costs’ mentality from Mr Shaw is, frankly, extreme.”
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February 17, 2019 2:25pm
- DigNap15
  
  It sounds like you have accepted that a CGT will be implemented.
  I say that it is not only unfair, but that it will not gather much tax for many years, and that the cost of adminstering it will be far too large at a time when the IRD is downsizing.
  Not only that an army of laywers and accountants will make a fortune from it, and there will be less rental homes and at higher prices.
  
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  February 17, 2019 2:39pm
  - kiwiracer
    
    I agree, the big move in housing values has happened, well in the popular areas anyway, a CGT implemented now won’t be the big lolly jar they are hoping.
    
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    February 17, 2019 2:47pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    I was telling my elderly parents about the probability of an inheritance tax included in the CGT. They had not heard of that and were appalled. They spread the word at their residence BBQ they attended the following day. Lots of angry pensioners.
    
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    February 17, 2019 4:13pm
- stigie
  
  Tell me what is wrong with our tax system at the moment apart from the lower paid that don’t pay any tax ?
  
  This is a bullshit tax (CGT) which a lot of people would call a wealth distribution tax where the wealthy are taxed to be given to the not so well off who are Labour/Green voters…..Nothing more nothing less !~
  
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  February 17, 2019 2:43pm
  - MCos
    
    Whether or not the CGT is worthwhile or merely political we won’t know until the details are spelled out.
    However it’s your first statement I find interesting.
    We live in a society where education and healthcare are heavily subsidised and government assistance is provided to by way of social welfare to the unemployed, the infirm, the elderly and others.
    These three items account for nearly sixty percent of the budget.
    If you have a reasonable well paid job, are healthy and don’t have kids at school you could say sixty percent of your taxes are going to support people who are not all of those things.
    Sure there’s the indolent who avoid work and get money from WINZ, but there’s also a lot of people who would love to pay a lot more tax as a side effect of being paid a whole lot more.
    
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    February 17, 2019 3:46pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Obviously you didn’t proof read that piece before posting.
      
      Those above a certain level of income pay tax, those below do not.
      
      Generally, we all access those services you mentioned equally, well some up and some down, but basicaally the same. Why the fuck should I pay and others don’t pay?
      
      Asking for a friend….
      
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      February 17, 2019 7:23pm
  - MCos
    
    Whether or not the CGT is worthwhile or merely political we won’t know until the details are spelled out.
    However it’s your first statement I find interesting.
    We live in a society where education and healthcare are heavily subsidised and government assistance is provided to by way of social welfare to the unemployed, the infirm, the elderly and others.
    These three items account for nearly sixty percent of the budget.
    If you have a reasonable well paid job, are healthy and don’t have kids at school you could say sixty percent of your taxes are going to support people who are not all of those things.
    
    Sure there’s the indolent who avoid work and get money from WINZ, but there’s also a lot of people who would love to pay a lot more tax as a side effect of being paid a whole lot more.
    
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    February 17, 2019 3:56pm
  - KevOB
    
    NZ presently has an excellent tax system by world standards. The government and people bargain the level of effective impost and the size of the social welfare blanket. That bargaining takes place each election.
    Tax is collected from all–even children at the lolly shop. GST spreads the burden. Income tax for most is via PAYE and that is levied on super payments too. Adjustments for dependents are built into the tax system via WFF. Social housing inequities among the lower paid are addressed through the Accommodation Allowance.
    Our system is economical to administer with collection largely based on cashflow. It will always be a work in progress and subject to grumbles.
    
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    February 17, 2019 5:35pm
- holysheet
  
  “This is Winston Peters’ chance to be better than the Greens”.
  That’s not a very high hurdle !!!
  The COL talent puddle is shallower than a car park puddle in full sun.
  
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  February 17, 2019 4:13pm
  - stigie
    
    Winston must be pissed off that the Greens who he looks down on are polling twice as much !~
    
    Mind you, he has a box to stand on !~
    
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    February 17, 2019 4:19pm
Rodney Randall

https://nation.com.pk/22-May-2013/kenyan-killer-of-400-people-granted-asylum-in-uk?fbclid=IwAR1wwIRgVTAfIryi21rEL2n-zT6B0JVbij0iGPcbqtFqZ5LOUHnpGHttRJ8

A brutal murderer supported by the state. Can’t be sent home because human rights and the ol’ he might get killed BS.

Yet a Christian woman from Pakistan denied asylum because it might upset some communities!

UK more interested in policing offensive tweets.

Should have gone to live with Golriz Garbagebin.
She gags for these types.
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February 17, 2019 2:33pm
- MCos
  
  It appears that the story from almost six years ago is bullshit.
  This article explains why
  https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000085035/confessions-of-a-mungiki-man-and-tall-tales-asylum-seekers-tell
  
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  February 17, 2019 2:58pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    It got me thinking…
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11848738
    
    Where is this POS now Michael Woodhouse?
    
    He committed sexual assaults repeatedly and whilst on bail, yet he couldn’t be deported because…….
    
    YOU GUESSED IT….HE SAID HE WOULD BE KILLED BACK HOME.
    
    “Akbari’s case caused national outrage when the Herald revealed that Immigration New Zealand had granted the two-time sex offender deportation liability suspension.
    
    That effectively means he cannot be deported for five years and that decision would only be reviewed if he was convicted of a new offence.”
    
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    February 17, 2019 3:40pm
    - Tall Man
      
      We could also save them the trouble back home….
      
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      February 17, 2019 7:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on lefty from timaru, be a little more like occasional cortez and let the story tell the story….fuck the facts.
    
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    February 17, 2019 7:08pm
Steve (North Shore)

How a Government Department Works

Once upon a time the government decided to scrap all the
obsolete useless equipment they had bought over the years
& assembled it somewhere in South Auckland. Cabinet said
“Someone may steal some of it at night.” So they created a
night watchman position and hired a person for the job.

Then Cabinet said, “How does the guard do his job without
instruction?” So they created a planning department and hired two
people, one person to write the instructions, and one person to
do time studies.

Then Cabinet said, “How will we know the guard
is doing the tasks correctly?” So they created a Quality Control
department and hired two people. One to do the studies and
one to write the reports.

Then Cabinet said, “How are these people going to get paid?”
So they created the following positions, a timekeeper, and a
payroll officer, then hired two people.

Then Cabinet said, “Who will be accountable for all of these
people?” So they created an administrative section and hired
three people, an Administrative Officer, Assistant Administrative
Officer, and a Human Resources Manager.

Then Cabinet said, “We have had this command in operation for
one year and we are $418,000 over budget, we must cut back
overall cost.”

So they laid off the night security guard.
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February 17, 2019 2:50pm
- marcw
  
  That sounds so much like Kiwibuild – they used the manual without any amendments.
  
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  February 17, 2019 3:11pm
Monique Watson

Slow Saturday over here. On the news:
Illinois shooter Gary Martin opened fire after knowing he was going to be sacked. Background check on the Smith and Wesson didn’t flag him as a felon.

Smollett is being sought for a suspected hoax and the suspects have walked free. Cohen is his lawyer so expect this to drag on some.

Point Guard Steph Curry is having fun in his hometown of Charlotte N.C. His Mom threw a successful half court shot in a family showdown on the Court:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2887615002

It’s snowing on the Sierra Nevadas. Hubby drove our oldest halfway to Chico for the first time where he’s staying with a friend. “Don’t worry Mom. Alcohol is right at the bottom of my list of drugs to try”.
Great! 🙂 I just wish he’d worded it differently.
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February 17, 2019 2:51pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Wonder why he was being terminated. Nobody is saying yet:
  
  Late on Friday, Aurora police chief Kristen Ziman told media that Martin, 45, was going to be dismissed from his job on the day of the attack.
  “The information that we have indicates he was being terminated today,” she said, per Reuters, adding that the reason for his dismissal was not known to police.
  “I hate that we have to use the term ‘classic workplace shooting.’ That pains me to do so. At this time, I don’t know. We can only surmise with a gentleman who’s being terminated.”
  
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  February 17, 2019 4:29pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Monique, Just been reading your blog. Love it. No BS. How are you going with the booze thing?
  
  Just asking as I want to get rid of it too. I only drink around once or twice a week, but truly heroic amounts.
  
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  February 17, 2019 4:30pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Good luck with that US. My father-in-law was a full-blown alcoholic. Distressing for the family and probably not nice for him. I’m guessing wanting to stop is half the battle.
    
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    February 17, 2019 4:50pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      I’m lucky as I am not addicted and just feel better if I stop drinking. Makes me wonder why I do it all, that being the case.
      
      One thing that puts me off booze is drinkers. One thing that puts me off no booze are non drinkers. However alcohol is by far the most awful drug in society with no real upside.
      
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      February 17, 2019 5:05pm
      - nasska
        
        If you read 10% of the shit that the religious conservatives offer as comments here you would be excused for rating alcohol as a harmless social lubricant while marijuana was pure evil. But:
        
        ….”Close to half of all adults have tried marijuana at least once, making it one of the most widely used illegal drugs – yet research suggests that a relatively small percentage of people become addicted.
        
        For a 1994 survey, epidemiologists at the National Institute on Drug Abuse asked more than 8,000 people from ages 15 to 64 about their drug use. Of those who had tried marijuana at least once, roughly 9% eventually fit a diagnosis of addiction. For alcohol, the figure was about 15%. To put that in perspective, the addiction rate for cocaine was 17%, while heroin was 23% and nicotine was 32%.”….
        
        https://www.businessinsider.com.au/alcohol-marijuana-which-worse-health-2017-11?r=US&IR=T
        
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        February 17, 2019 5:38pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        I power drink. Even at my age. So bloody what? At 66 I still work (4 days) and continue to have beer and spirits each and every evening.
        US, get yourself smashed on a drug other than Alcohol and then be at work at 7.30am tomorrow.
        Don’t get the wrong idea, there is nothing wrong with those who chose not to have Alcohol. I just enjoy it, like it home and beach and I don’t ever get violent when pissed.
        Got it US ?
        
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        February 17, 2019 5:41pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Steve, yes I get it and have no problem with what other people do. I would relax liquor laws and lower the taxes if I had it my way.
        
        But I reckon I have had my fill of drink and might just move on. You can have one for me 😉
        
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        February 17, 2019 5:48pm
      - pentwig
        
        uni myth
        obviously smoking dope has no bad effects
        idiot!
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:09pm
      - Sacha
        
        And, when you’re sober, watching all the idiot drunks.
        My husband wouldn’t go out once he dried out – he was appalled at the way his friends behaved and to think he used to act the same.
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:26pm
  - brett68
    
    You like to get shit faced? or is that just what happens when you start drinking?
    
    If you like to have a drink, you’d be better to drink a xxx number a night and develop a limit.
    
    Some people could be 1 beer could be 5 beers, I reckon if you’re putting back more than six a night you’ve probably got a problem.
    
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    February 17, 2019 5:34pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      6 a night and 3 of either Jacks or Crown Royal.
      Your wowser problem, not mine brett
      
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      February 17, 2019 5:43pm
      - brett68
        
        It’s your liver mate, I couldn’t give a fuck how much you drink.
        
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        February 17, 2019 5:46pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Drinking everyday is a common thing. Especially among suburban housewives. It has a way bigger effect on them than they realise. Fortunately I go off alcohol for days after knocking back a few and also have a limit that just comes in randomly and makes it suddenly taste awful. However it is a pretty high limit! 🙂
      
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      February 17, 2019 5:45pm
      - brett68
        
        You’re binge drinking.
        
        Having a few a night sates the urge to get shit faced, you’d probably end up drinking the same amount but it’s spread out over the week instead of one or two nights.
        
        But if you enjoy get getting pissed, that’s probably not for you.
        
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        February 17, 2019 5:50pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Exactly. The evidence suggests spreading it out is way better than binge drinking. Yes I enjoy shutting the brain down and getting pissed. I don’t enjoy being a bit pissed, I want to be fully buzzed. So its either make a night of it or don’t bother.
        
        Why would I have 2 beers? I am not sober, not pissed, not anything. Seems pointless. Best I just stop.
        
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        February 17, 2019 5:55pm
      - Monique Watson
        
        Thanks Universal Smith! And I know others here are rooting for me, right Nasska and Maggy 😉
        
        I’ve been battling the bottle or doing the flamingo, I prefer to think, full on for the past three years. It’s when you want to drink but can’t stop, mostly because you think you’re able to stop on your own that it gets scary.
        Full credit to anyone who can drink and get up the next day and it not dick with your conscience.
        Btw I sloped into AA at the age of 26 and stayed sober for nine years and had my kids clean. Then I thought AA was tits (I got bullied) and went it on my own. Had a good lot of years and lots of fun but when it got bad it got bad quickly. First detox was at the end of 2016 b4 the Presidential elections. (That was fun) I had a strew of medical emergencies last year and finally went to rehab for the 28.
        I slipped within twenty four hours. Undiagnosed mental health issues. Back into rehab for another eighty.
        This time I gelled with Refuge Recovery, (Buddhist based) got therapy and proper meds. Right now I feel fucking awesome.
        Long may it last. I just got out last Monday.
        If you wanna skip the drama try Refuge if AA isn’t your cup of tea (though AA is awesome too) and you can try the harm minimization route. Google HAMS (Harm Abstinence and Minimisation Support) I think.
        Had some great times while boozing. But it stopped being fun. Started being misery for all involved. Thank fuck I could get out when I did. It wasn’t easy.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:26pm
      - Monique Watson
        
        As a closet suburban housewife I can testify to that 🙂
        My limit was pretty high. I had to taper off from a thirty box of beer as my starting point. The Coors Light diet. Ugh.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:30pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Monique, good effort. If it was easy I guess everyone would be doing it. Don’t beat yourself up, we all have our flaws, and being a raging piss head is not the worst thing a person can be.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:35pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        “a thirty box of beer”
        
        That is probably over the recommended daily limit for a lady, but I would have to look it up to be sure 😉
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And I know others here are rooting for me, right Nasska and Maggy
        
        I’ll root for you…. but don’t know how much use I’ll be…. I’m not TT because I had a drink problem… I’m TT because I’ve never liked the taste of some excretory products of moulds.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:48pm
      - nasska
        
        Been there….done that Monique & it’s not easy but I’ve made eighteen years dry & I’m hopeful for whole lot more.
        
        Congrats but never kid yourself that one won’t matter. It will!
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:52pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”AA was tits”…..
        
        True! I’ll never forget during a remorseful sober spell before there was a placement at detox/rehab when I was advised to go along to an AA meeting.
        
        The garbage about “come to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity” doesn’t work too well for a lifetime atheist. Half a meeting & I decided that it wasn’t for me.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        One of my closest friends had been dry for 9 years now.
        AA gave him the method, he still has his sponsor buddy to rely in but he’s not into meetings anymore.
        Keep it up Monique.
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:11pm
Steve (North Shore)

To the crim huggers.
If one was building a prison and the prison was missing a wall would you think the criminals would stay put behind the existing walls or move to where the wall is missing ? I’m asking for a friend.
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February 17, 2019 3:40pm
- Tall Man
  
  You need a wee trip to Vanuatu.
  
  There are two prisons for men..
  
  French = old and really really nasty
  
  English = lovely and comfy, as far as a prison in Vanuatu could be.
  
  In the French prison the gates are not locked, yet few try to escape, the world outside is worse for them than the world inside.
  
  Is the world in Mexico better or worse than what’s over the border…..
  
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  February 17, 2019 7:02pm
- Sacha
  
  There’s a lot of friends about theses days.
  I wonder why they don’r ask the questions themselves?
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:22pm
nasska

And now the latest breaking news on Perfume:

Jacinda’s first fragrance! The Prime Minister has released her own line of perfume for 2019.

There’s a slight fishy smell with a hint of corruption.
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February 17, 2019 5:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and of course it comes with a Maori name:
  
  Pupuhi
  
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  February 17, 2019 5:20pm
  - holysheet
    
    more likely Piro or haunga.
    
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    February 17, 2019 5:40pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Terrible, but OK
    
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    February 17, 2019 5:46pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Yeah well get used to it, she will likely get a second term due to the weakness of the opposition and a bias media.
  
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  February 17, 2019 5:23pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Really, you put the media second? I don’t agree about the weak opposition either, both Jacinda’s favour and Simon’s seeming lack of, is media driven and the sheeple sheep.
    
    They can’t be blamed for that, are we not brought up to believe that the media is bi partisan and as the ‘fourth estate’ there to be a further check on Government than the opposition is.
    
    That this is not a truth is the shame of the media.
    
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    February 17, 2019 5:34pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      All true. However most of your views are also informed by the mass media’s bias. You just diverge on a few political details.
      
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      February 17, 2019 5:40pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Not true, I come here to dissect it all and have it challenged and reinforced, god save me I also watch morning tv to get my morning fix of outrage. Come back Paul Henry, Duncan Garner pretending to be balanced, can tip me over lol.
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And the odd stupid troll..oops, that ‘s you isn’t it, my bad, I was talking about you not to you…
    
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    February 17, 2019 6:52pm
starboard

Gee..Liarbor trolls Universal and Brett posting at the same time again..very coincidental.
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February 17, 2019 5:38pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Don’t take long to sort those two pricks out Starboard
  
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  February 17, 2019 5:47pm
- Universal Smith
  
  I hope you two boys are using condoms.
  
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  February 17, 2019 5:51pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Yes, wouldn’t want to make a baby.
    
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    February 17, 2019 5:56pm
    - Tall Man
      
      We have enough coalition mps already….
      
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      February 17, 2019 6:48pm
  - starboard
    
    Only with your daughter, universal.
    
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    February 17, 2019 5:56pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Well I did raise her to be charitable.
      
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      February 17, 2019 5:58pm
      - starboard
        
        ..and she certainly is.
        
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        February 17, 2019 6:12pm
      - stigie
        
        You don’t mind a hairy face with pimples then starboard..?
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:26pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Oh fuck that’s classic! I just laughed so hard the dog almost had to resuscitate me.
      
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      February 17, 2019 7:37pm
- brett68
  
  Fuck, I’ve been sprung.
  
  Hilarious, I must be doing something right, I get accused of the same shit when I post on The Standard.
  
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  February 17, 2019 6:15pm
  - nasska
    
    It’s your literacy that makes you a marked man at the Standard. Anyone who has advanced beyond textspeak stands out as a bourgeois running dog for capitalists. 🙂
    
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    February 17, 2019 6:25pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Hmmm, goes on the Standard to annoy people…he says.
      
      Goes on kiwiblog and annoys people…
      
      Why…
      
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      February 17, 2019 6:58pm
      - brett68
        
        Who’s annoying people?, I’m just voicing my opinion.
        
        Are you so insecure and binary that anything that deviates from your ‘official line” works you into such a state that you need to lash out and attack it?
        
        Rather sad and tragic to be honest, especially from some one of such advanced years.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:03pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Ha Ha Ha brett, I’ve already had breakfast today so you’re safe for a while.
        
        Lash out…Really, you do sound like a snowflake.
        
        Are you over your “outrage” on behalf of women…..
        
        Condescending tosser…
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Seriously, why bother?
    
    Leftards don’t have a working brain….
    
    Now the question is….do you?
    
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    February 17, 2019 6:55pm
Nostradamus

From Nasska’s Religion Today column: Canberra pastor’s ‘prayers of deliverance’ involved rape and threats, police say

A senior pastor in Canberra allegedly used his religious position to do “prayers of deliverance” on church members that involved sexual acts, police say.

The man’s lawyer appeared on his behalf in the ACT Magistrate’s Court this morning. The man is facing four charges for acts of indecency, including one count of sexual intercourse without consent. His lawyer indicated he will plead not guilty.

ACT Policing allege the man, 53, would tell female members of the congregation they would be cursed and their family members would die if they did not engage [in] the sexual behaviour.

This “senior pastor” appears to think he had a direct line to God. Something like: “If you don’t have sex with me, then I’ll ask God to curse you and ruin your life”.
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February 17, 2019 6:35pm
- nasska
  
  Naturally! What possible means of salvation are there other than through the penile organ of the priest/minister/deacon/imam/rabbi?
  
  You don’t think that God’s little helpers are in the racket for cheese scones & first crack at the communion wine do you? 🙂
  
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  February 17, 2019 6:40pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    It’s strange, but perhaps a happy coincidence, that this senior pastor never found a young boy who needed to be saved from a lifelong curse!
    
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    February 17, 2019 6:46pm
    - nasska
      
      I note that another news source cites, “Police suspect the pastor may have committed similar acts in the ACT, NSW and New Zealand.” & “police believed there may be more victims who were yet to come forward.”
      
      My sincere belief that all people should be able follow whatever brand of Skydaddy crap that their imagination dictates gets tempered by the way they are exposed to deviants & sickos who prey on the simple minded.
      
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      February 17, 2019 7:01pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        There’s another church scandal brewing: Catholic Church headed for another sex abuse scandal as #NunsToo speak up.
        
        All eyes will turn to Rome between February 21-24, when senior church clerics across the world meet to discuss how to handle the widening sexual abuse crisis in the Catholic Church. Until recently, this has been focused on the abuse of children. But now Pope Francis has admitted — for the first time — sexual abuse by priests against religious women exists and must be acknowledged. And Catholic women are speaking out under the #NunsToo hashtag.
        
        The rest of the article indicates that there’s a long queue of sexual abuse victims who want justice, and an equally long list of cover-ups.
        
        Example:
        
        Doris Wagner, a German theologian, recalled her terror as a young woman in a mixed-gender religious order. A superior of the order entered her room one night and raped her. She knew if she were to report this, she would be told it was her fault, so she kept quiet. Years later, she did tell her superior, who did exactly as she feared — she blamed her, and asked if she had used contraceptives.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:09pm
      - nasska
        
        The sick bastards can’t help themselves.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:17pm
      - stigie
        
        #How about Altar Boys Hashtag….
        They seem to be getting left behind..?
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:33pm
      - nasska
        
        Their behinds won’t be forgotten stigie! 🙂
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:39pm
      - Swifty
        
        No child’s behind left.
        
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        February 17, 2019 7:53pm
      - Sacha
        
        Many years ago when I was very young I got a holiday job ‘aiding’ at a private RC hospital in an NZ city. It also provided hospice care for elderly nuns in a special wing. Every time I went into a certain wee lady’s room she would cry out “No, father, no.” and would not be consoled. I just thought she was senile – no-one else seemed to be concerned.
        It wasn’t until many years later that I realised what might be the cause of her distress.
        And felt ashamed.
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        These scum have got away with it for too long.
        Just what is it about religious freaks and abuse.
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:58pm
- Tall Man
  
  Not sure who is the dumber here…the giver or the getter…
  
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  February 17, 2019 6:46pm
  - Viking2
    
    Apparently lots of females get taken in with this line of talk.
    
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    February 17, 2019 7:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

At least Destiny Church has the decency to stand-down one of its Man-Up facilitators

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110565269/victim-blaming-man-up-course-facilitator-stood-down

Now where have I come across some “victim-blaming” lately?
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February 17, 2019 7:22pm
- Universal Smith
  
  At least Destiny have the guts to teach it like it is in the bible and not dress it up. That is why they scare other religious groups. They are right out there and have a congregation other churches can only dream of.
  
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  February 17, 2019 7:41pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yes teaching a literal version of the bible is a good way to filter out all but the most credulous and unthinking dullards. After all who else would be foolish enough to pay for Tamaki to maintain his gold-plated lifestyle, he has hit upon a great way of selecting his rubes.
    
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    February 17, 2019 11:00pm
- nasska
  
  It’s part of the “brave” new world Maggy where no one could possibly be held responsible for their own actions or thoughts. It has now permeated to blog comments.
  
  It scares me that I share the planet with people who absolutely refuse to believe in self determination.
  
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  February 17, 2019 7:47pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

‘Offensive’ painting of Māori hero taken from gallery

A painting of a bare-breasted Māori leader, deemed offensive by local iwi, has been stolen from a Nelson art gallery. The symbolic artwork shows Nelson-born tribal leader, Huria Mātenga, draping a cloak in front of her naked, pierced breasts. The storm-hit Boat Shed and the Nelson Marlborough Rescue Helicopter are in the painting’s background.

In a completed unrelated matter, how’s your home art collection coming along? 🙂
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February 17, 2019 7:42pm
- stigie
  
  Im right into this art Nostra, it’s going to look bloody brilliant on my bedroom ceiling and of course im going to be CGT free cause that nice Mr Kullen said so !~
  
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  February 17, 2019 8:35pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    it’s going to look bloody brilliant on my bedroom ceiling
    
    Yes, to be fair, your bedroom walls are already decked out with the 2.4 metre tall portrait of Helen Clark and the X-rated portrait of Andrew Little!
    
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    February 17, 2019 8:40pm
    - stigie
      
      That’s a low blow Nostra..?
      
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      February 17, 2019 8:43pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Not at all! I always thought of you as someone with an eclectic taste in art, and you haven’t proven me wrong, old chap!
        
        By the way, if you can get this portrait at a collector’s edition price, you’ll be doing well. Maybe not one for your bedroom though, unless that’s where you think it belongs?
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:44pm
      - nasska
        
        You forgot Jacinda’s election poster stapled to his bedroom ceiling Nostra! 🙂
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:51pm
      - stigie
        
        No room for that trollop Nasska but have a nice picture of a mare on my wall !~
        
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        February 17, 2019 8:55pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        No room for that trollop Nasska
        
        Really? How big is your Megan Woods portrait? Maybe you should swap it for a slimmed-down version? 🙂
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:04pm
      - stigie
        
        Megan Wood, now that is something else, that is a double blow to the scrotum Nostra ole chap.
        Just wondering what Stiffy would have on his bedroom ceiling or is he in a stable of some sort..?
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:14pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Just wondering what Stiffy would have on his bedroom ceiling
        
        Some of Stephieboy’s previous comments give us a clue:
        
        recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall
        
        a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel
        
        two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts
        
        Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino.
        
        three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children .
        
        Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire .
        
        Eugh!
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        And Stephie goes to ‘An Anglican Church in the Catholic tradition’…
        
        Real coincidence he’s a perv don’t you think. What goes on with these people.
        I know there’s a lot of good people in some of these Churches but it does seem that the Church attracts abusers and creeps.
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:24pm
      - Tall Man
        
        steffy’s brother…
        
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4719206/Demon-baby-goat-born-Argentina.html
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:34pm
      - sooty
        
        That’s what happens when stephie bothers goats.
        
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        February 17, 2019 11:09pm
Monique Watson

Oh God. I just saw a photo of Chompers at the Art Deco parade. And I’m tired of reading between the lines. That bloody photo was the final straw. I’ll have to catch up on GD tomorrow. Night.
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February 17, 2019 8:50pm
dad4justice

Hey Greg I know you read this thank God for DNA so Kirsty Bentley gets solved. Remember well eh ?
JUSTICE IS COMING !!!

Edit hey Nostra you want a story watch this space!
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February 17, 2019 9:21pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hey Dad – good to see you mate – sounds like you’ve got a scoop of a story for us?
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:23pm
  - dad4justice
    
    More than a scoop brother I say no more. Don’t ever think that d4j is a dropkick.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:24pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      I know you’ve followed the Kirsty Bentley case over the years, Dad, so I’m encouraged by your suggestion that the wheels of justice may catch up with the scumbag who did it.
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:29pm
      - dad4justice
        
        I can give you the name of the scumbag that did it just like I gave to the keystone c##ts 10 years ago!!! I am livid beyond belief.
        Greg you better arrest him before I make this public !!
        NZ police verse d4j – I fought the law and the law lost !!!
        JUSTICE FOR KIRSTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s certainly reassuring to know that D4J is on the case.
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:37pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mikenmild:
        
        Would you rather have Uglytruth or Notsofast on the case?
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:40pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think that would be a fearsome trio of detectives.
        
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        February 17, 2019 9:48pm
- dad4justice
  
  I am not bullshitting ask the keystone c##ts who solved the Janice from Westport murder. I am so sick of NZ wimps that don’t do nothing for the benefit of society. Get fucked micky scumbag you worthless troll!!
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:44pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh dear. I’m very sorry, D4J, but it will be hard to make any progress in your recovery if you do keep abusing me. I am only trying to help, as you know.
    Anyway, it’s been a while, so why don’t you start by describing the relationship between your parents. Apologies in advance if you don’t know who they were.
    
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    February 17, 2019 9:51pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Hey mikey how is your mirror image big bruv?
      
      Has Clint died of Aids yet?
      
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      February 17, 2019 9:54pm
Viking2

Hmm, perhaps The ex Union rep for Pike might be having to explain himself. “No safety concerns indeed,” Didn’t know what the hell he was talking about perhaps.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110658993/pike-river-families-claim-vital-evidence-from-mine-explosion-has-been-lost?cid=facebook.post&fbclid=IwAR1X9J7ni8DQt_ZKNpldGHngqustrdrDmZnzBCtNkwQSM8dnM4fpo0zpdiE
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February 17, 2019 9:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now why do you think this information about the missing electric cabinet lid has just come to light?
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/exclusive-former-chief-mines-inspector-says-missing-piece-evidence-could-point-cause-pike-river-mine-disaster?variant=tb_v_1
  
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  February 17, 2019 9:50pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    No-one wanted Pike River to be prosecuted.
    
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    February 18, 2019 7:07am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    The more relevant question (I have some experience dealing with “intrinsically safe ” equipment.)
    What was a standard (Non intrinsically safe) cabinet doing anywhere near the mine?
    In a Zone 1 Hazardous environment, where explosive gases are usually present and/or a Zone 11 Hazardous environment, where explosive dust is usually present appropriately certified equipment for use in that environment MUST be used.
    Question:
    Who designed, built and certified this mine as safe to operate?
    Who signed off the plans?
    When were they signed off?
    How many safety inspectors saw the cabinet…and said NOTHING?
    Who was the local health and safety officer and why didn’t he say anything?
    All of these questions, should have been asked and answered BEFORE it’s opening in 2008.
    On 12 March 2004, Minister of Conservation Chris Carter approved the access arrangement for Pike River Coal Ltd.
    In October 2008, coal production started and in November 2008, Gerry Brownlee, the Minister of Energy and Resources and Minister for Economic Development, formally opened the mine.
    
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Health Target 4 – Specialist appointments
Health Target 3 – Emergency Dept Waiting Times
Health Target 2 – Immunisations

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Utopia
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No Minister
The h?koi was M?ori Party’s crowning glory – and provided plenty for Labour to think about
Point of Order
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The Daily Blog
Not how much but how well
Hompaddock
Open mike 22/11/2024
The Standard
Drawn
No Right Turn
Regulatory Reform: Timid and too easily tamed?
Not PC
The transgender agenda sunk Kamala
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
What does “reciprocity” mean in New Zealand laws?
Croaking Cassandra
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz

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