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February 15, 2019 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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radvad

According to JAG it is sexist if a man explains something to a woman. Good to know. My wife’s life just got considerably less interesting and considerably more difficult.
It seems however it is still ok for women to explain stuff to men. Also good to know. My life is not affected.
Thanks for explaining JAG.
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February 15, 2019 8:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Best National ad ever!
  
  Nothing as satisfying as the sound leftist heads exploding with impotent outrage in the distance first thing in the morning!
  
  And the tears! The rivers of twitter tears!
  
  Give the man a DB!
  
  (I know that it should be a gender neutral assertion, I know I am not allowed to presume the sex of the author, but I don’t really give a flying f; it is the expression and that is what it is!)
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:06am
  - All_on_Red
    
    “When the best response to an attack ad savaging the sad joke Kiwibuild has become is ‘you’re mansplaining’ – then you’ve already lost”
    @citizenbomber
    Martyn Bradbury
    
    Looks like some aren’t completely tribal
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:10am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      That’s about three times this year I’ve found myself agreeing with Bomber. I think I need a stiff drink and a lie-down 😀
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:13am
      - CHFR1
        
        I am in the same camp as you KS. It is interesting that Bomber and No Right Turn are starting to think like this. It is starting to look like the traditional definitions of left and right have fractured over free speech and identity politics and this is a good thing.
        Bomber and his ilk generally want the same end destination as I do but we just choose to take wildly different paths to get there maybe this fracture will allow us to finally to talk to, as opposed to past, each other and this long term is a good thing.
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:30am
      - Biscuit
        
        Agreed, KS.
        
        I am liking that folk I always regarded as ‘extreme’ are adopting a more centrist view.
        
        Mallard yesterday, was a good example.
        Bradbury, today.
        Hell, next that f*ckwit Peters will ‘click’ that if he hopes his party to continue he should abuse his only other Coalition party option a tad less.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:42am
      - Durden
        
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        February 15, 2019 4:14pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Bradbury said that?
      Ye gods. the worm is turning.
      And it seems soper is likewise seeing through the prime ministers facade with the comments he made on zb this morning.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:34am
      - sooty
        
        It’s good as the ad about Labour in the boat!
        
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        February 15, 2019 8:41am
      - Sacha
        
        Dare we say that the honeymoon is waning?
        Or over?
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:11am
      - JibberJabber
        
        I believe Churchill said something along the lines about, if ur still a socialist by middle age you have no brain?
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:55am
      - RF
        
        Labour’s marriage with NZ is your typical case of the groom finding out on the wedding night that his virgin bride is a hooker.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:24am
      - Durden
        
        Jibber J. Probably also explains why Bolger and Peters are becoming socialists in their dotage. No brains. It has turned to mush.
        
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        February 15, 2019 4:16pm
    - Random T Person
      
      Always bear in mind that apparently odious people like Bomber may very well be great people in real life…he probably is…
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:42am
    - madamezucchininz
      
      …..I loved the ad……in our house it is the husband with the far-away look in his eyes saying “they are going to build 100,000 houses”……and me womansplaining …..”what absolute rubbish…..impossible etc etc”……classic ad …..my deceased father would have loved it…..explaining that to get attention you either make it a really bad or controversial ad…..well done the Nats……
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:00am
    - Chris R
      
      radvad:There is a similar but equally insane concept doing the rounds…”manspreading!” This occurs each time a man wearing jeans sits down without keeping his knees together…try that it’s difficult! Apparently this so-called “manspreading” intimidates women as the denim clad male genitalia is just too scary. Talk about ridiculous! These concepts evince how little these bimbos have to think about.
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:42am
  - gorse
    
    What ad? Don’t watch TV much any more, especially their news which I might watch once a month to remind me how biased it is. Is there an ad on the telly?
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:23am
    - waikatogirl
      
      It’s posted on yesterday’s GD.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:25am
      - sooty
        
        Someone needs to take JAG to one side and mansplain!
        
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        February 15, 2019 8:43am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Well, it would have been wrong to have a woman in the BBQ.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:09am
    - Biscuit
      
      I’m with you, Gorse.
      
      We have TV channels all over the show and, the instant it looks like an ad break is coming up, it is Channel Surf City here!
      
      Add in recordings that you can fast-forward to ads to and I really see no POINT in companies forking out dosh for spots, heh heh..
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:44am
  - G152
    
    I love the bleeding hearts showing themselves to be humourless harridans concerned only with what ever it is they think is humour and right speech.
    The video is funny.
    And succinct.
    And gets its point across nicely!
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:33am
    - sooty
      
      Usely they are female, short, fat,dress funny and have hairy chins!
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:44am
      - madamezucchininz
        
        …..I call them the “lawn mower hair cut brigade”….
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:46am
    - Fletch
      
      Yup, and it’s fun pretending the woman is Jacinda… It’s not too far off, anyway.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:50am
    - madamezucchininz
      
      …..bleeding hearts have no humour whatsoever….imo…..
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:02am
  - Viking2
    
    We need more. Lots more.
    
    Savage the bastards.
    
    Good book to read;
    The Other guy blinked.
    About the coke and Pepsi wars.
    
    Oh and we need to fire some t the Nats as well so they don’t remain all socialist.
    Hint KS agreeing with Martyn/Martin.
    Birds of a feather and all that. 😆
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:40am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    Thanks to the lefty moustache brigade in the governments female caucus this advert has had more free coverage than the party could have ever hoped for. A trick straight out of Trumps playbook. Keep it up- they need to do a few more follow up adds now aimed at normal New Zealanders.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:45am
    - geoff3012
      
      Yeah, they could have a go at plastic bloody bags…and climate bullshit in general (not holding breath)
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:26am
  - Than
    
    I’m not quite sure what to make of the whole mansplaining concept.
    
    I don’t doubt it has some validity. I don’t doubt there are cases of men using “explanation” as an excuse to talk-over or shutdown women, whether or not they actually know anything about the topic they claim to be explaining.
    
    But on the other hand the term seems to be frequently abused. You can’t just label any case where a man explains something to a woman as mansplaining. There are times when a man knows something a woman doesn’t, just as there are times a woman knows something a man doesn’t.
    
    The motive behind the explanation and the manner in which it is delivered are what matters. Not having seen the National party ad I can’t speak to whether I think it qualifies.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:46am
    - howzit
      
      The irony is that by using the term Mansplaining they are putting down men and by coming to the defence of the poor blonde girl because girls can’t defend themselves they are being derogatory towards women.
      
      They have created their own discriminatory diatribe from an innocuous chat between a man with a beard and a cute blonde. How dare she be cute is the real deal.
      
      On an unrelated matter I am thinking of going to the lantern festival….or has it been cancelled?
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:11am
      - Komata
        
        Howsit
        
        But you’re not supposed to notice!
        
        It would be interesting to learn how much of the anti-male aggression is actually female jealousy towards another female but diverted towards attacking the latter’s mate.
        
        It’s a not unkown phenomenon…
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:31am
    - Rich Prick
      
      What would JAG prefer, “no dear, that bright orange light on the instrument panel is just for decoration”?
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:55am
    - JibberJabber
      
      The concept behind “mansplaining” is to disenfranchise men and put them on the sidelines.
      It works on hipsters and other cuckolds, hence why we rarely hear anything from Shaw, he’s too scared to open his mouth.
      Real blokes just don’t give a fuck and will carry on as usual.
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Best National ad ever”…
    
    So far….
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:24am
- waikatogirl
  
  When Shaun Plunkett asked Jordan Peterson what he thought of JAG’s idea that old white men had had their day and move aside, he diagnosed JAG should take her own advice and also move aside! ?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:09am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Move aside for a woman of colour none the less!
    
    Ain’t diversity great!
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:14am
  - Harkman
    
    When I heard JAG use the words “white privilege” in a New Zealand context, to me she instantly became public enemy number one.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:50am
    - RRM
      
      How, exactly, does she think she got into NZ?
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:58am
      - lifesgood
        
        God her husband/partner/father of her child, whatever he is, must have one hell of a life. What a bloody wimp to hook up with someone like her. He probably has to utter a Cunliffe every day…”Dear, I’m sorry for being a man”
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:49am
- KevOB
  
  The Nats are alive. The COL are going to hate opposition. This needs to be kept up as the COL bullies never cease. ☑️☑️
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:12am
- Paulus
  
  I just listen to my wife of 55 years.
  Of course she knows best and I listen and nod in agreement to whatever it is.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:16am
  - Pascal
    
    The “Yes, dear” listen?
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:19am
  - Monique Watson
    
    That must kick in after 25 years of marriage right? Goodo. Not long to go. I’ll take it easy on him in turn.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Dream on..
      
      At about 25 years of marriage, selective deafness increases; after 40 years, selective forgetfulness and dementia run rampant.
      
      best just to keep on with the nagging…
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:58am
      - Brian Marshall
        
        ???
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:03am
      - alloytoo
        
        I have recently suffered some hearing loss in the higher frequencies.
        
        Right about where women and children talk 🙂
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:43am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Ha, after nearly 30 years, my wife hasn’t twigged to my motto that it’s better to seek forgiveness than permission.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:05am
      - Monique Watson
        
        Haha thanks for the heads-up. My hubby is just saying he thinks he’s missing high frequencies.(like women’s voices methinks)
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:18am
      - Biscuit
        
        Maggy, my beloved partner – if she has a view contrary to mine – simply says ‘Do you want the full ‘Nag’ or do you just wanna save time, agree with me now, and go get me the cup of coffee you should be making.’
        
        ‘Yeas, my presh!’
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:47am
      - Ed Snack
        
        After 25 years, at least for me, I grow more and more appreciative of the wit and wisdom of the person I married !
        
        That’s not to say that there are times when a “Yes Dear” response is appropriate – everyone needs some time to vent a little to remain sane. Works both ways too.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:56am
- alloytoo
  
  National has concluded, quite rightly so, that the only way to get the advert watched was to manufacture controversy, as it was the only way to get the MSM to pay attention.
  
  An 80’s style advert to illustrate the COL’s 70’s style government.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:18am
  - Colinxy
    
    I hope you’re right rather than they just stumbled across success.
    
    In either case, let’s hope National have realised the winning formula to getting their message out…and continue to push NPC triggers.
    
    What they shouldn’t do is pander to Leftist (in)sensibilities.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:28am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      They need to hit the left in their strong holds. The young and newly voting, who have never really lived and experienced left wing governments, and Maori and Pacific Islanders.
      Bypass the MSM and do adverts on Youtube. No restrictions this far out from the next election. That way the young voters are aware of the issues. Not sure on the best way to get the messages to tribal labour Maori and PI families, but National does have some very smart people who could come up with some bright ideas.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:09am
      - Colinxy
        
        That’s not overly hard if they keep doing material that triggers NPCs, like the ad in question. The Streisand effect will take care of the rest.
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:13am
    - KevOB
      
      I hope they’ve woken up to the fact the the left are natural bullies and National visibly challenging them leaves them fuming.
      The COL PR team beaver away creating a scenario for the the COL to politicise. National are diverting attention from that. The Maori/Water rights issues are on the COL’s hidden agenda. By interrupting the COL dreams we are preventing their potential terrible attempt at imposition. Proven competence -10/10
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:08am
  - labrator
    
    Got to love Hayley Holt’s completely unbiased opener to this video “After National suffered their worst poll result in 10 years”…
    
    Suffered? No, suffering is when you’re under 30% for a couple of years. Suffering isn’t when you’ve been over 40% for more than 10! Should’ve been a politician Holt, you’re great with spinning words to mean what you want people to hear.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:44am
- Raphael
  
  Did JAG just assume the gender of the person who was doing the explaining?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    May have been Iris from Colmar Brunton…..
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:01am
- rockape
  
  Is the advert for colgate sensitive toothpaste sexist ? where a young lady in a red jumpsuit shows up a balding old man in a jacket with leather elbow patches?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:25am
  - alloytoo
    
    That advert is getting a lot of airtime, was wondering that myself.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:45am
  - Lizziep
    
    Might be, who can tell these days? It’s the COL and other “sexes” who decide these things these days. Most normal people don’t worry about such trivia and get on with their lives, usually working unlike these people who have no jobs…oops the col have what made me think they didn’t?
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:33am
- ldypen
  
  So when the most clever JAG explained to us all how this add is sexist..surely she was “femsplaining” so she must be sexist?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Dear JAG,
  I learnt to deconstruct ads 53 years ago in Mr Kirkpatrick’s 3rd form English class.
  How about you leave ad analysis to our teachers and you and your mates get on with the job of running our country?
  And in case you need some advice from an old white woman, you can do that:
  by turning up to meetings on time,
  by attending to your written questions on time,
  and by stopping pissing off half the Nation’s population who just happen to be our fathers, husbands, brothers, lovers and sons.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:29am
  - Ross12
    
    Please actually send that to her Maggy (via Twiiter would be good so it is spread around –but anyway will do, as long as she sees it)
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:44am
  - calendar girl
    
    Great response, Maggy. Political advice of the week.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:57am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Maggy, if you’re not on Twitter, I’ll gladly screenshot this and post it to Ms Genter as an open letter 😀
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:58am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I am an old bird… I don’t tweet… just a hoot now & then.
      
      Feel free to send to all & sundry…
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    And flicking $360,000 of tax payers money to her husband for “services rendered”.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:03am
    - lifesgood
      
      Boy that was an expensive way to get a baby. Most men are happy just to go for it.
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:54am
      - sooty
        
        I’m sure he would love to pickup $36,000 a yr every year while in she’s in office!
        Hopeing it’s only a 1 term thing!
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:54pm
  - Bill felt
    
    Dear Maggy.
    “and by stopping pissing off half the Nation’s population who just happen to be our fathers, husbands, brothers, lovers and sons”
    
    Can you explain? Are your husband and lovers separate people? 🙂
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:33am
    - sooty
      
      I should bloody well, hope so!
      
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      February 15, 2019 2:55pm
  - Piniwi
    
    @MW what a hoot which have not as yet not been declared insensitive to the PC brigade. Some of us older stale males will recall an earlier insight from Vance Packard from his modest publication ” Hidden Persuaders” first published in 1957. Old enough to now be freely available in a PDF download.
    It will be heartening to National to watch the indirect way the target market is expanded by the snowflake storm. Even the one who thought that it was a poor BBQ with just a humble sausage. While others would be chuffed to have so many sausages for ONE BBQ.
    
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    February 15, 2019 5:44pm
- Fletch
  
  At least the outcry had the effect of actually drawing attention to the ad…lol
  
  ps, do we really need a Minister for Women’s Affairs? I don’t think so.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:48am
- niggly
  
  Crikey, if Trevor Mallard secretly thinks (out loud) that Jacinda is a “Silly Little Girl”, I wonder what he thinks JAG is, a SAG – “Silly American Girl”?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:53am
  - niggly
    
    Or maybe even “stoopid 3rd wave terf & white man hating femaznutcake goodgriefwheredotheloopygreensfindthesepeoplefrom”? 😉
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:00am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Can we return JAG to California? ?
      
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      February 15, 2019 5:32pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        Can we return JAG to California?
        
        Oh if only it was that simple!
        It is the barstardisation of common sense and the fuckwittery of thought that infects the masses once she has been deported that is the problem.
        It is like herpes, you think it is gone but it keeps comming back.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  I’ll bet the little “snowflakes” that were “outraged” and “offended” yesterday, yes you know who you are dave and brett, are absoluldey Frilled that they are on the same “wavelength” as the american snowflake commonly known as jag the sag….(silly american girl)….
  
  Old white men may have had their day, but at least we “had” a day…or three 🙂
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:08am
  - Sideoiler
    
    ….Old white men may have had their day,…..
    
    Their day is not over by a long shot, it took old white men to build, maintain and improve what we have today.
    When those who were appointed to run things on the basis of gender and diversity have run it into the ground, it will take old white men to restore it.
    
    JAG is an excellent example of why those not born here should not be allowed to hold public office, we have our own fuckwits, we don’t need to import them.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      Sorry, that’s misogynist to suggest that women, especially american women did not create all we have in the world today.
      
      Even those white/brown/yellow/black men that did anything were either under direct control of a woman or were identifying as one at the time.
      
      Ask dave and brett, they know what women think..
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:23am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And yet apparently Kaumatua are revered due to their age and sage wisdom,
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:32am
      - Paulus
        
        But it is the Huia who count after all despite what the Maori males may think.
        Look at the Maori children killed and who shuts the deal up afterwards.
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Huia are extinct birds
        
        Kuia are old birds
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:22pm
- insider
  
  What she doesn’t realise is that the one with the beard identifies as a woman
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:12am
- MrTips
  
  Fuck it. I like this ad because its hit the nail on the head.
  
  Its precisely the unthinking Remuera bimbos who voted for Jacinda, simply because she’s a woman. Don’t like it? Sexist? Cry me a river – these are same set who blast Trump for being a man.
  
  You can’t deny the reality underlying the ad – Kiwibuild is a dog and the luvvies can’t argue it.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:15am
  - Rich Prick
    
    If the snowflakes are outraged, then all is good. Keep it up chaps and chapettes.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Chapettes”
      
      Your comment has been noted so that’s your super fucked….
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:24am
      - sooty
        
        I wish that I felt like that in the morning!
        Even if only once or twice in a lifetime!
        
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        February 15, 2019 3:01pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Would that be the same Julie Ann Genter who said “old white men” should move on from Boards. (Actually sexist).
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And how has it worked out for those countries that decreed Gender equality on Corporate Boards?
    
    https://www.economist.com/business/2018/02/17/ten-years-on-from-norways-quota-for-women-on-corporate-boards
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:57am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Amazing that when an ad comes out pointing that Kiwibuld is Kiwibust, the best the media can come up with is National is Tone Deaf.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:44am
duggledog

Read this:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/12-02-2019/as-beijing-gives-nz-a-cool-stare-do-we-have-to-choose-between-the-us-and-china/

Answer: Yes. Quite soon, too.

Mike Rehu’s first line left me stunned:

“In the last week China has acted and sent a message it believes we have aligned too far to the West”

Well, if that’s what their ‘message’ means, then here’s a message for China from a New Zealander.

New Zealand IS the West, you corrupt, dog-torturing cheats. Go ahead and take your tourists home and we’ll send a whole lot of non-citizen Chinese with them, then shut the door on immigration from your filthy country.

Stop all trade too if you want, and your elites can enjoy eating your toxic food. We won’t starve, or die of thirst.

Suicide you say – but paradoxically, this could be good for New Zealand in the long term. A quick, brutal cut in income would force us to finally address our State dependence problems once and for all.

Anyway – here’s what will actually happen, Mike Rehu.

China knows National is… sympathetic. They know our current administration is… unreliable. They know we have some weird thing called “Democlatic Erections” every three years. So, they will tighten their little fingers around the CoL’s neck over the next 18 months. Saint Cindy will have no money, won’t deliver, and will lose 2020 – then things will get back on track.

Kiwis will get rid of the CoL – not just because they are shit, but because the Chinese will make it so.
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February 15, 2019 8:01am
- wreck1080
  
  I agree with your sentiment but not your racism.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:04am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    I saw culture criticized. Where is the racism?
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:06am
    - kowtow
      
      I saw communists criticised , where’s the racism ?
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:16am
      - Tall Man
        
        “you corrupt, dog-torturing cheats.”
        
        Such a generalisation is racist, in case you didn’t know.
        
        I know many Chinese both NZ born and Asian born. None would ever consider doing that to a dog. I doubt Chinese are anymore prone to cheating than any otyer race. If you have evidence to the contrary, post it.
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:13am
      - Random T Person
        
        My very friendly Chinese neighbour who barely speaks a word of English walks his much-loved dog past my driveway every day.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:01am
    - Tall Man
      
      “you corrupt, dog-torturing cheats.”
      
      Such a generalisation is racist, in case you didn’t know.
      
      I know many Chinese both NZ born and Asian born. None would ever consider doing that to a dog. I doubt Chinese are anymore prone to cheating than any otyer race. If you have evidence to the contrary, post it.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:13am
      - dime
        
        “I doubt Chinese are anymore prone to cheating than any otyer race.”
        
        biggest thieves of IP in the world.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:42am
      - Jack5
        
        On Dime’s point, Communists have always had scant regard for private property. They associate it with capitalism, and China is Marxist, and has just recently recommitted itself to Marxism.
        
        Then there’s the strategic aspect. Enemies, or potential enemies, see it as morally acceptable to steal the intellectual property of their potential opponents.
        
        The Soviets, or their fellow communist fellow travellers in America and Britain, stole the the technology of making atomic bombs.
        
        China has lifted from Germany the technology of high-speed trains and solar-power technology.
        
        The internet makes this sort of theft easier, and it’s been going on for a long time. Here’s a report from five years ago:
        
        http://time.com/106319/heres-what-chinese-hackers-actually-stole-from-u-s-companies/
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:19am
    - wreck1080
      
      Calling chinese “dog-torturing cheats”.
      
      Joking about the chinese accent… ““Democlatic Erections””
      
      This has an aggressive and racist undertone.
      
      One could have made the same points without the racism or the aggression.
      
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      February 15, 2019 1:14pm
  - DigNap15
    
    What is rascim?
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:28am
    - Pascal
      
      In New Zealand racism is defined as anything that is critical of a racial bias and preferential treatment to minorities based on their race, not their need.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:32am
      - Viking2
        
        Chinese being a world minority then?
        
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        February 15, 2019 8:43am
      - freethinker
        
        Mawree.
        
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        February 15, 2019 1:39pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The point in an argument where one party realises their point has no validity, their points are facile and they need a card to play so they don’t appear to be an ignorant dick.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:35am
    - Tall Man
      
      Separate parliamentary seats based on the basis of a self identified “race”. Preferential entry into university courses on the basis of a self identified “race”. Team selection based on a self identified “race” race. Instant criticism if any of the above are questioned…. for starters.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:18am
    - Biscuit
      
      Racism is pronounced ‘wacism’ just as ‘poverty’ is pronounced ‘poverdy’…
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Quite funny innit , the dyed in the wool Nats here are up in arms at their ad being panned for “mansplaining” but because they’re very sensitive to accusations of being too close to Communist China , they’re playing snow flake identity politics with accusations of “wacism, wa wa”
      
      And not too long ago the same mob were happy to get their pitch forks and burning torches out when the Herald was in the gun on this very blog for it’s hypocritical pro Red China stance in it’s Chinese edition as opposed to the Eng lang version.
      
      As Cpl Jones would say “They don’t like it up ’em”
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:13am
- Justitia
  
  China is in serious economic trouble. Growth has collapsed and they have a huge debt overhang. It is inevitable our exports and tourism trade will diminish. It sounds like they are trying to threaten us with the consequences of our over-exposure to their market. Tell them to get stuffed.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:12am
  - Colinxy
    
    Yes, we should start reducing our risk to the Chinese economy. Officially the Debt to GDP is ~47% but this hides local government and state sector debts.
    
    The International Institute of Finance puts their debt (in 2017) at 300%. It’s probably well advanced of that by now.
    
    There’s only so long China can stave off this problem and the debt implodes.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:21am
    - Ross12
      
      What about debt in a few other countries eg. USA , France etc.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:48am
      - Colinxy
        
        The Chinese debt bomb is the largest, that’s why. Their government seems to have this notion that they can just spend their way to prosperity, for example, by building empty concrete cities.
        
        At least with the USA, they’re allowing individual enterprise to go forward which may over time decrease the US debt problem – decreasing unemployment, increasing employment etc.
        
        France is f*cked but doesn’t greatly concern us as a country. They may fix themselves but I wouldn’t bet on it. The Yellow Vest protests seem to be more about “Give us free stuff and have someone else pay for it”. With that type of attitude, I doubt France will be dig themselves out of the (debt) hole they’ve created.
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:00am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      They are a totalitarian regime. They can (and if under pressure will) nationalise their citizens assets (tax or otherwise appropriate assets) to magic away the debt.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:48am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Sounds like a Jimmy Twomums scheme.
        
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        February 15, 2019 8:54am
      - Colinxy
        
        Except the Chinese people seem to have realised this and have been moving their assets overseas for some time.
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:01am
      - Jack5
        
        UrbanNeocolonialist, much of Chinese citizens’ assets are already nationalised. The Chinese State owns all land in China, all the main banks, controls the biggest industry – steel, and unions are – well, under the heel.
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:04am
  - Liberty
    
    First of all. Find another country that is a close as china that can purchase the quantity china imports from NZ. You won’t find
    Then find a country that can supply the local market with the goods it requires at a competitive price . You won’t find.
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:04am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  If Kiwis are unwilling to make the economic reforms that would make the nation prosperous and lift productivity, then we have to be China’s bitch.
  
  Don’t say we don’t have a choice – it’s that we don’t like the alternative to riding on the Chinese economy.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:16am
  - Nosmo King
    
    So we are OK to be USA’s bitch then?
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:28am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Clearly not, that’s why Cindy called the current US president a professional arsehole, IIRC. You have to give credit where it is due, and the COL are fairly even handed when it comes to international relations.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:40am
- Pascal
  
  [[ They know we have some weird thing called “Democlatic Erections” ]]
  
  The /l/ and /r/ thing is not a problem for a Mandarin speaker. Although interestingly, and I didn’t know this, the position of the l and r in the word may make it more difficult to pronounce. I never knew that.
  
  It’s more difficult for Japanese speakers though. Different languages, different people.
  
  https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/8651/is-it-true-that-chinese-speakers-have-troubles-with-rs-and-ls-in-english-wor
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:29am
  - tf78
    
    I noticed the Japanese have trouble with “v’s” and tend to pronounce it as “b”. Just like Jacinda can’t do “t’s”, it’s always “d’s”.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:44am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  A very small pedantic point.
  
  In my experience (most people I know and mix with speak either Cantonese or Chinese as a first language) Chinese do not confuse ‘r’ and ‘l’. Some Cantonese speakers do have trouble distinguishing ‘n’ and ‘l’ – say ‘knee’, ‘lee’ and ‘ree’ to know which consonants are close in physical articulation.
  
  Given my incompetence in these languages, I’m disinclined to mock their native speakers’ errors in English. More generally, the obsession some people have with others’ pronunciation, whether it is Simon’s broad kiwi accent or Jacinda’s t/d combination is mostly tedious and distracting.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:46am
  - Jack5
    
    Kiwi Dave’s right. We all have speech mannerisms.
    
    Except in Southland-Otago, New Zealanders usually under-pronounce, or drop, “r” after vowels. He sold his “cah”, that’s too “fah” away.
    
    And we tend to pronounce the vowel “i” as “u”. Ever heard someone talking about “chucken”?
    
    Our speech is changing continuously. Earlier generation New Zealanders pronounced “dance” and “chance” with the short “a”, as most Aussies do.
    
    The effect of Polynesian accents on Auckland speech especially will be interesting. It could lead to a stronger regional accent there.
    
    If I were a billionaire, I would fund regional radio stations in Otago-Southland to preserve the local accent.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:15am
    - Jack5
      
      Many of us Kiwibloggers seem to be interested in speech.
      
      Have you folk caught up with the “Anglish” movement:
      
      https://anglish.fandom.com/wiki/What_is_Anglish%3F
      
      AND
      
      https://youtu.be/6vxZh-bvgnw
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:33am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Chuckin, isn’t that what certain bowlers do with a bent elbow….
      
      Though the *correct* way to speak is RP of course. Used to be de rigeur on the BBC but alas, no more.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:11am
  - MCos
    
    My Thai stepson was offered a job in Bangkok because, not only was he fluent in English, but he could understand the Kiwi accent & by default Australian, which was what they really wanted.
    I don’t think we’re in a position to poke fun at how Asians pronounce English when we struggle ourselves.
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:03am
    - Jack5
      
      MCos, I agree. It’s those who have only one language who tend to sneer at other accents.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:08am
- MickMac
  
  Duggledog, Please make it not so….
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:50am
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75 years since the bombing of the abbey at Monte Cassino, heralding the New Zealand defeat in the disastrous second battle to break the German line.
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February 15, 2019 8:03am
- Wangas Feral
  
  I was there with my father in 1975. At the abbey looking down on the town. In 1944 he never got up there. All he said was “no wonder they could drop mortars on us at will, they could see our every movement.” Whether the German observers were next to or in the monastery was moot to the Kiwi soldiers under observation. All they saw was that great building looking down on them.
  
  Also – I know it is automatic to downvote milky. I do it all the time. But not warranted in this case.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:09am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    In war, mistakes are made. It’s where the phrase fog or cloud of war comes from. At the time the NZ generals were in charge of the attack and at the time, it was perceived that the German defenders were in the Abbey using it to observe.
    It was the right decision to make, getting the USA bombers to flatten it, but only in hind sight could they realise it was unneeded.
    Also I don’t automatically down tick Milky, but he does get a lot of down ticks from me. Every comment gets read before I uptick or down tick. Except for a commentator from years back. philU who used to only post in some demented poetry or something. That got an auto downtick from me…
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:20am
    - Evadne
      
      Sorry, that wasn’t an auto downtick from me, just careless scrolling and clumsy fingers.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:48am
    - tui47
      
      My grandfather was killed in Italy two weeks before the end of the war in Europe. The official story from the NZ Army was that the Germans were responsible. The soldiers he served with including his brother in law who was severely injured in the attack said it was the Yanks that were responsible for the attack and that it was not the Germans.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:07am
      - Jack5
        
        Was that at Trieste, Tui? Or where was it?
        
        The biggest danger to the New Zealanders in Trieste was the Red Army and the Yugoslavs, who wanted Trieste in their country, not Italy.
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:22am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yes. All those young men lives wasted, for what?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:10am
  - Paulus
    
    For finally to see Germany win the war against Britain – ask Theresa May where her own country folk favour the German and French way finally.
    Along with the Irish as expected – look at our two woman Irish reporters in Parliament.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:20am
    - Jack5
      
      Paulus, I think one of them is from Naarthern Aareland.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:57am
      - Paulus
        
        Still fekin Irish !
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:06pm
  - DigNap15
    
    They were’nt wasted at the time.
    They were fighting to get rid of Hitler and German domination.
    Now we have German domination of the EU
    And Europe invaded by mulsims and third world africans.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:31am
  - harvey wilson
    
    For Mark Clark’s ego , he led a victory parade through Rome on 5th June 1944 .
    The next day was d day and no one gave a shit about Italy
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:41am
- Simon
  
  Italy campaign was run by the amateur yanks.
  Allies best general Montgomery was moved out of Italy after his highly successful Sicily invasion. He was needed for D Day of course but he said the yanks were going about Italy the wrong way. The yanks got him out of Italy as quick as possible.
  
  Montgomery then went on to salvage the terrible American planning for D Day.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:16am
  - harvey wilson
    
    That’s a very very generous assessment of Montgomery and leaves out the disaster at Arnhem .
    
    It’s not often ( if ever ) I’ve seen him rated as the allies best General .
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:05am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Best British general would be in my humble opinion, William Slim.
      What he did in India and Burma with the limited resources was incredible. Because India was a minor arena as far as resources were concerned, it didn’t get the coverage either before or after the war I deserved.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:25am
      - RF
        
        A bridge too far was the result of ambitious planing. A few well placed gliders landing close to bridges could have changed history
        
        The Americans were not the only ones to suffer unnecessary casualties.
        
        Ike did not like Monty….
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:15am
    - Simon
      
      Not sure who you think was better than Montgomery? He won in North Africa, Sicily & with out his planning D Day could have failed. He planned the Normandy break out. He stablised the American front during battle of Bulge. There after Eisenhower poured away tens of thousand of American lives after Montgomery had secured the break out attempt.
      
      The Rhine crossing was expertly planned despite bitter German resistance. Battle of Arnhem was a response to the stupid American decesion to invade Southern France which stripped the Allies of resources where needed. Arhhem was a narrow strike to end the Third Reich in 1944 given the Allies limited resources. It wasnt a executed properly but the idea reflected reality. The war dragged on for another 8 months.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:25am
      - harvey wilson
        
        As I said , very generous . Take North Africa for instance he won there because Barbarossa had started and the Afrika struggled to get resupplied while the allies started to have huge amounts of men and material pouring in . Even then he was over cautious..
        
        Slim is actually a really good shout considering what he had to contend with .
        
        You’re obviously a fan of Monty and fair enough but the disaster that was Arnhem should be laid completely on him considering he campaigned for it to happen against the yanks better ideas .
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:47am
- Jack5
  
  To fail to take a position isn’t a defeat! The New Zealand Divison didn’t surrender.
  
  The German airborne troops at Monte Cassino were fine soldiers, and they had the advantage of good cover, especially after the bombing, and the advantage of having the high position. Most of them retreated just before the Poles captured the top in the final assault.
  
  The German airborne troops were also tough (and successful) opponents on Crete.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:00am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    Sorry – I have been all over that battlefield. Spent two weeks walking it with period maps and NZ divisional diaries in hand. The NZ division attack was defeated. No two ways about it. The men on the ground knew it. My father was a lowly private at Cassino and he knew they got spanked.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:17am
    - Jack5
      
      Depends what you mean by “defeat”.
      
      Did the New Zealand Division surrender? It failed to take the mountain.
      
      That’s not a defeat as I see it. New Zealanders were part of the defeats in Greece and Crete. Their assault at Cassino failed.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:26am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It was every bit as much a defeat for the NZ Division. Freyberg had been pessimistic about the chances of success, and set a casualty limit, which was reached. He is said to have remarked that he didn’t want to see ‘another Passchendaele’, which was enough to convince his senior commanders also that the end had been reached. It took several months before the NZ Division was fit to fight again.
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:51am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Wow,what a thing to do, private research or published?
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:49am
  - RF
    
    My father got chased out of Crete in WW2. Almost finished up in the bag.
    
    He strongly believed the NZ Generals etc really fucked up. His words…
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:41am
    - MCos
      
      My father was captured in Greece and spent several years as a POW.
      They were transported across Europe to Austria without little food. He told us he’d never been so hungry. Years later I was watching a kids lolly scramble with him and out of the blue he told me hated them. He never liked to watch anyone fighting over food as he’d seen his mates do when they were prisoners.
      He never went to the RSA or Anzac Day functions. He didn’t like hanging out with old soldiers unless they were blokes he knew; one or two of them had some demons to contend with.
      Dad was in the troop ship on the high seas in Jan-40 and back at the end of 45. Together with the Depression made for a trying time the likes of which I’m grateful not to have been inflicted by.
      People grizzle about Key or Ardern or the country being invaded by unruly Poms need to get a grip.
      
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      February 15, 2019 2:33pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Eventually it was the Poles who got through the German line to break the deadlock. NZ’ers (Maori battalion) got into the town and held it for a bit but couldn’t hold it or be reinforced adequately so had to withdraw.
  
  I think Cassino showed Freyburg’s shortcomings as a commander, he was good as a divisional general but lacked imagination and capability at a higher level to plan effective attacks. The eventual success happened because the Free French scaled some very difficult terrain over the river and were able to make many of the German defensive positions untenable, and that allowed the Poles to storm the town and hill.
  
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  February 15, 2019 11:21am
holysheet

Jesus appears next to an unemployed man in the pub,

“Hello, I’m here to take you to heaven, ”

“Hang on a minute Jesus lad, “said the bludger, “I’ve just got me dole, my wife’s just got her disability. I’ve got a winner at the TAB, the pub is doing half price beer, the Indians got hammered, and my mate has just nicked an ounce of great weed, now just what is this heaven shit you’re talking about?”
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February 15, 2019 8:04am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  His heaven is a sanction-free benefit system delivered by the Greens and Labour parties.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:07am
  - holysheet
    
    You left out their enabler, the drunken dwarf.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:09am
    - MickMac
      
      shatan ‘imself
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:54am
Simon

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Simon Bridges such a bitch for the CCP.

So many in National want NZ to be vassal of China its disgusting. CCP aint Poland or Chile.

CCP turds turned around an Air NZ Flight. That is how petty they are. On the other hand CPP run massive concentration camps for those with wrong think.

And National want NZ to kowtow to these CCP fuckwits. Too many National party members on the CCP make.

National the party of Quisling sell outs.
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February 15, 2019 8:10am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Too early son. Fuck off and take your meds.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:11am
  - kowtow
    
    He does have a point.
    
    Nationalistas need to think about it , if they are perceived to be so in the pocket of the Chicoms , they could loose lots of votes .
    
    I tick 2 blue , reluctantly .
    
    But National do have a China Syndrome . And I don’t like it.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:21am
    - Simon
      
      “But National do have a China Syndrome”
      
      It is called being converged.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:32am
    - tf78
      
      I think it’s income by trading – NZ’s dole/bene bludgers seems to approve.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:47am
  - Simon
    
    Paulus your colostomy bag is leaking again you senile tribal old fool.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:30am
    - pentwig
      
      simon
      hurry up little boy, you will be late for school
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:50am
- KevOB
  
  Do you think Cindy in her floral dress is going to stop the advance of the development of China?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:19am
  - sooty
    
    Yep. She will frighten the shit out of them!
    Especialy if she matches it with the cut down redbands!
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:55am
  - doggone7
    
    When Judith’s PM how’s it going to go?
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:04am
    - KevOB
      
      Judith would wear an electric blue drive-em-crazy dress.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:16am
      - sooty
        
        Matched, with high heels!
        
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        February 15, 2019 3:10pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Q. How many degrees of separation do you think there are between the likes of Ardern, Shaw, Genter and Gharaman and the CCP?
  
  A. Fuck all.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:21am
  - MickMac
    
    Good point
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:55am
  - Pascal
    
    That’s “Comrade” Ardern.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      comrade ardern the liar
      
      comrade ardern is a liar
      
      It was on the telly so now ardern the liar knows about ardern the liar. Expect action…telly will be turned off… after the fucking show..fishing show…
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:07am
- adventure
  
  Both sides are knee deep in it and now they’re in a pickle, they continue to take donations but then ban Huawai from the 5G network. Time to take sides and I hope most NZ’s prefer our way of life to China’s. And what is all that dross in the Herald about back-stabbing China, the stabbing came from the front and all your spies in parliament should have told you it was coming!
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:32am
- Monique Watson
  
  I don’t think Political Science is your thing dude. Calm down.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:34am
- MickMac
  
  Good points Simon.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:55am
- lofty
  
  Sigh……………..
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:10am
AgainstTheFlow

Pike River will now not be entered by Police until miners have been all over it collecting any forensic material.

C.S.I now stands for Coal Seam Investigation.
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February 15, 2019 8:10am
- holysheet
  
  I would like a legal opinion on the veracity of any evidence collected by non professional staff. How would it hold up in court?
  If our cops are too gutless to go into the drift. it doesn’t say much for their bosses.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:16am
  - KevOB
    
    Not gutless: prudent. There are warnings of safety from mining engineers world wide which our little Andrew has chosen to ignore. If another explosion occurs who is going to take the blame?
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:22am
    - rangitoto
      
      Taxinda will look concerned if anything bad happens.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:24am
      - septic skeptic
        
        And maybe they can trot out “at least they were trying to do something after nine long years of neglect”.
        
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        February 15, 2019 8:47am
      - sooty
        
        But they are only going in the drift!
        Won’t find 5/8 of very much!
        The mine is on the other side of the rockfall!
        All they are doing is walking up the road in!
        If Bernie Monk is aloud in, you know it’s all gigantic bullshit, smokescreen!
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:01am
      - AgainstTheFlow
        
        She’ll look weepy.
        
        She is The Nation’s Kindergarten Teacher.
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:15am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Maybe they could swear Winston and Andy in as temporary policemen for the duration of the first trip up the drift.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:24am
    - Lizziep
      
      I thought they were going to be first in? What has happened? col are liars
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:49am
  - fernglas
    
    Evidence is evidence, regardless of who collects it. The quality of collection goes to its value.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:37am
  - peterwn
    
    I am unaware of any enactment or piece of common law indicating that the Police are the only ones who can collect evidence. The acceptability of the evidence depends on the circumstances at the time. The Police do not have an unblemised record in the collection of evidence.
    As long as the evidence (if any) is carefully collected and those involved can give a sensible account of how it is collected there should be no problem. Assuming that it is safe to use cameras in the mine (intrinsically safe ones if need be) the site of the evidence and the actual evidence collection can be filmed.
    An archaeologist (if a willing one can be found) would be the most skilled evidence collector and can be briefed on forensic implications.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think it would be easier to go to the local cemetary and dig up 29 corpes…
    
    Oh wait, that’s desecration isn’t it?
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:03am
- Inandout
  
  ATF, or perhaps Can’t See Evidence.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:18am
- Pascal
  
  As likely an admission that there is no forensic material to gather and this whole, expensive exercise is just virtue signalling from the people who caused it in the first place.
  
  Eh, Mr. Union Rep?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:23am
- Paulus
  
  Haven’t see pictures of Peters and Little preparing to be the first down the Mine.
  Must be training in secret.
  When is the law being revoked that was put in after the tragedy – currently going down even the shaft is illegal under Health and Safety laws without a law change.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:23am
  - DigNap15
    
    Make Peters, Little and Monk be the first ones into the mine and go all the way.
    
    I’m sick of it.
    Leave the poor miners where they are.
    Charge Pike River and the CEO and jail them for 20 years.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:34am
    - peterwn
      
      The only advantage of charging the CEO is a ‘feel good’ factor. It is doubtful that he would be found guilty especially as some potentially key witnesses are no longer in NZ and cannot be compelled to return to NZ to give evidence.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:55am
    - MickMac
      
      Please don’t forget ALL the miners who flouted safety rules and practices for extended time periods. (which many of their families knew about!).
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:58am
      - sooty
        
        Maybe JacinDUH was in secert underground mining training for those missing 7 or 8 weeks she was missing over chrissy. She’s going to lead the charge into the mine!
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:04am
      - peterwn
        
        And that is another problem with evidence. As charges would be a criminal matter, there is on obligation on potential witnesses to testify on things that may incriminate themselves.
        That others knew of breaches does not let the CEO off the hook.
        Interestingly some employees found alternative employment in Australia etc to escape potential hazards, and would be the witnesses needed for any prosecution. Employees who could not readily find alternative employment stuck it out despite the risk.
        The book “Tragedy at Pike River” describes the background to the disaster and indicated that the project would have been uneconomic if two proper entrances had to be provided. Most libraries should have a copy.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:02am
      - rangitoto
        
        “The book “Tragedy at Pike River” describes the background to the disaster and indicated that the project would have been uneconomic if two proper entrances had to be provided. Most libraries should have a copy.”
        
        The tech exists to do it economically. A small thermonuclear bomb to blow the side of the hill away and then easy access to the coal. Nothing stopping it other than a bunch of wowsers.
        
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        February 15, 2019 12:57pm
      - peterwn
        
        Rangitoto – It was a private enterprise project perceived as a potential profit centre for O&G shareholders. O&G was hell bent on proceeding. There was no other specific importance for the project. They could not get consent for an open cast project (arguments on this are irrelevant in the present context).
        At that point the options were a two shaft project which was uneconomic or a one and a half shaft (the half being iron rung steps up a vertical ventilation shaft) project which was the only way the project could be economic. The acceptability of this option was dubious to say the least – it might have been OK on a fine day assuming everything went sweetly and paranoid safety requirements were adopted in the mine. However the scenario turned to custard very quickly and because of the amount already spent no one was prepared to pull the chicken lever (astronauts’ slang for the mission abort lever). That the earlier consent had been declined (or not sought in the face of opposition I cannot remember) is not to blame, nor can it be used as an excuse for shortcuts.
        
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        February 15, 2019 3:20pm
      - KevOB
        
        Experts world wide could queue up to testify that the mine design was against sound practice–a gas producing fault seam is unsafe in a non-opencast mine. The former CEO is far down the chain of responsibility. I believe even DOC is implicated in refusing to allow an open cast mine.
        
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        February 15, 2019 5:04pm
  - KevOB
    
    Little Andrew seen to belittle his own laws.
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:18am
- G152
  
  Bunnies.
  Its all gone political.
  And whenever they finally get in there its only the drive and not the working faces where the men would have been
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:40am
- Fletch
  
  And what do they think they’re hoping to find? A skeleton with it’s bony hand on the off switch of the gas detectors?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:54am
- RF
  
  I asked a Police mate who has a few more clues than the average cop if he would go into the drift.
  
  His comment was…….
  
  “Like fucking hell…”
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:59am
hullkiwi

James two mums Shaw believes if the CoL doesn’t introduce tax reform (without capital gains tax), it doesn’t deserve to be re-elected. Why? Because of the growing gap in wealth. (RNZ Morning Report Friday 15/02/2019).

Well 2 mums, if what I heard you do not deserve to live in NZ, go to China. You were preaching communism dressed up as helping the less well off. If, because my own industry and intellect I can earn and acquire assets it is not for lame politicians like you Shaw to redistribute it by stealth to the idle. Shaw you preach the politics of envy, you are no more a true environmental politician than I’m a supporter of communism (which I am not). Shaw, you and your party are frauds!
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February 15, 2019 8:11am
- Harkman
  
  I’ve researched this and the only data we have suggests that the top 1%, 5% and 10% owned more of NZ’s wealth in 2001 than in 2016. So if that is their justification, they are misguided or lying.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:54am
  - peterwn
    
    What I do not know is if corporate entities are included in the top x% figures. For this purpose the wealth of a Kiwisaver fund should be ‘assigned’ to its savers and not be treated as a rich corporate.
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:07am
    - KevOB
      
      Do you enjoy pointing out the adminstrative nightmares implicit in a “fair” CGT?
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:20am
      - peterwn
        
        The trouble is, the more wealthy the person or entity the greater ability they have to avoid the tax like moving assets offshore. So a CGT is unlikely to hit the ultra wealthy particularly hard but hit ordinary hard working people the hardest via baches, Kiwisaver etc. And even these people will change investment and lifestyle habits such as having excessively large homes and purchasing unproductive assets such as BMW’s.
        
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        February 15, 2019 3:26pm
  - Paulus
    
    Still waiting for the latest Census which is corrupted which would have given us a degree of analysis to work from.
    Now we have sweet fa.
    
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    February 15, 2019 2:12pm
- MickMac
  
  So James Shaw is like Jacinda Adhern then?
  James Shaw is a Liar..
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:59am
  - sooty
    
    What has Two Mums got in the way of assets anyway!
    Rented house, no car, does not drive.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:07am
    - peterwn
      
      How does he get to the airport – bus, bike, taxi or limo?
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:09am
    - tf78
      
      James got his license and a car shortly after the elections.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:16am
      - sooty
        
        A self drive goverment provided car?
        
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        February 15, 2019 3:14pm
      - peterwn
        
        Sooty – yes. In the old days (pre Helen Clark) Ministers were entitled to two self drive cars in addition to access to the CR limos. One was to keep in the electorate and the other in Wellington. But then MP and Ministerial remuneration was rather megre then. The MP for the old Southern Maori seat (whole SI plus southern bit of NI) also had two self drive cars (one in each Island) as well as a high travel allowance.
        
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        February 15, 2019 4:28pm
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  He pointed out that the gap is mostly housing.
  
  Housing costs would drop with RMA reform, which the Greens have vehemently opposed.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:20am
Happychappy

Winston Peter’s has spent $80,000 on his vendetta with National so far to get Justice on those that leaked his pension over payment details and David Seymour thinks that it should be enough, but will what some say is the most corrupt MP in NZ Politics call it a day I doubt very much. Winston only sees what good for Winston a nd seem to be untouchable in NZ Politics.
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February 15, 2019 8:13am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I saw Kevin Haigh on the tv in his new role with Forest and Bird having a crack at the government over the reneging on fishing industry reforms which National were about to introduce. He even compared the industry to ‘Big Tobacco’.
  
  Not once did he say who was responsible for this turnaround and why. Why are they so scared of the demented little prick?
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:29am
  - MickMac
    
    Nor did he illuminate the total lack of integrity of the Green Party and it’s members!
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:00am
  - peterwn
    
    The *real* Greens left (or were effectively booted out of) the Green Party long ago. If Kennedy Graham had not left before the last election, he would probably have been pressing hard for the Greens to at least have a chat with the Nats after the last election.
    
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    February 15, 2019 4:32pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And the poor man even tried to return to the Green Party
      Graham, a former diplomat and academic, sought to rejoin the party list after Turei eventually resigned, but was rebuffed by the party’s executive.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103437464/green-on-their-exmp-kennedy-graham-speaking-at-national-event-no-wonder-he-sabotaged-us-and-metiria
      
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      February 15, 2019 4:38pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Winston is out for utu. He doesn’t care how much it costs the taxpayer.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Winston is ~~out for utu~~ Grandstanding. He ~~doesn’t~~ never cares how much it costs the taxpayer.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:52am
    - sooty
      
      As long as it is not costing him!
      Where’s the $158,000. Whinney!
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:09am
      - peterwn
        
        Winston would have had to fork out a similar figure so far if not more. He had to pay costs for the journos he took to court as part of a fishing expedition. I News indicated that Stephen Joyce and Bill English had been removed as defendants and assuming the Crown took on their defence the Crown should be able to claim costs from Winston (and if not because of political pressure that would be corruption).
        Having to let go Bill English must have been a bitter blow for Winston since he was the major ‘trophy’ that Winston was after.
        Seems the only ‘live’ issue is whether a departmental CEO is able to pass on ‘personal’ type information to the Responsible Minister.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:25am
KevOB

Thought piece. My engineering training raises concerns about higher levels of EMF radiation. Commerce sometimes gets ahead of common sense.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/what-you-dont-know-about-5g-but-will-find-out-when-its-too-late/5668614
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February 15, 2019 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  KevOB, take that site’s articles with an open mind.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:58am
  - KevOB
    
    The question of 5G safety has been raised by several sources. Is it an issue? Don’t believe that being technological makes it safe.
    
    My mind is always open except,at present, to the BBC, TVNZ, CNN, WSJ…
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:23am
    - peterwn
      
      The main TV transmitting sites (Mt KauKau etc) would spew out more radiation from their multiple transmitters than any amount of 5G. Also the denser the coverage the more feeble is the 5G signal in both directions, since the required coverage area is quite small and the same frequencies are used for other sites a few km away.
      
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      February 15, 2019 3:31pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Once more for the luddites: Non-ionising radiation is zero-impact at the sort of power levels used for communications. The only thing it does is warm your skin up imperceptibly. Add to that the skin depth (distance it can penetrate into a conducting material like your body) for the higher frequency 5G spectrum (mostly 24-90GHz, with a very small band at 6GHz) is tiny, less than 0.5mm, that’s far less than lower (2.4-5GHz) frequency spectrum from existing cellphones and wireless communications that do not show any health dangers. Normal sun exposure and cosmic rays are way way more dangerous.
  
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  February 15, 2019 11:40am
  - peterwn
    
    Last time it was ‘smart meters’ and their radiation when sending in readings via the cellular network. That would be no worse than an ordinary phone and indeed the total ‘use’ for each meter would would be far, far less than a teenager’s phone. If all smart meters spewed continuously (as opponents imagine) the network would be overloaded.
    
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    February 15, 2019 4:42pm
Happychappy

.https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/110586402/big-polytech-plan-would-go-down-smoother-with-nationals-help
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February 15, 2019 8:19am
- Pascal
  
  [[“This is a system that’s cost us $100m in the last year alone, just to keep it afloat. What’s the alternative?”]]
  
  The answer, for Mr Hipkins, is simple. Stop keeping a failing enterprise afloat. You’ll save the money and institutions that deliver what people want will flourish.
  
  The only thing his plan will do is increase the bill we’re paying every year, give the unions more control and bring education completely under the state’s propaganda and control.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:14am
  - tf78
    
    Hipkins should have a chat with Sir Tim and find out how to run a poly- tech – Invercargill’s has m$30 in the bank.
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:18am
    - Jack5
      
      Sir Idiot Shadbolt isn’t responsible for the SIT’s success. That comes from cash from Invercargill’s liquor monopoly, the Invercargill Licensing Trust.
      
      And where did you get the nonsense that SIT has “$30 million in the bank”?
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:30am
- DigNap15
  
  The two main pardies will never come together on anything.
  Its just their human nature.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    When one party can’t even turn up to a meeting in a timely manner do you blame them?
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:54am
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    what about when John Key voted for Sue Bradford’s “anti-smacking” bill?
    
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    February 15, 2019 12:40pm
secondcumming

A most concerning report from one of our *5 Eyes* partners:

New Zealand is the ‘soft underbelly’ of an international intelligence sharing alliance which may make it valuable to China and Russia, according to a report by *Canada’s Intelligence Agency*…..

“New Zealand is valuable to China as a soft-underbelly through which to access *Five Eyes* intelligence. It provides a vivid case study of China’s willingness to use economic ties to interfere with political life of a partner country. An aggressive strategy has sought to influence political decision-making, pursue unfair advantages in trade and business, suppress criticism of China, and facilitate espionage opportunities”

No doubt *The Lonely Goatherds* that comment here, like stephieboy and Aliog, will again find this to be both “….naive and deluded”
BoL!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vtq9t08ktU
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February 15, 2019 8:20am
- NK
  
  Sounds like how the USA has treated us for 40 years.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:28am
hullkiwi

Not only did the Reserve Bank kick KiwiSlumBuild yesterday, but Newshub reported last night that two Kiwibuild developments have got no buyers.

First, the development in TeKauwhata (which I questioned the demand for last week on this blog) has got no buyers. Then second, we learn last night that the developer of a Pukekohe development is trying to entice potential buyers with $5000 of furniture or whitewave. As Judith Collins put it, it is now KiwiBribe!

Twitford, let’s face it, if this is your idea of affordable homes and recalibrating, please save the taxpayers the billions of dollars you are wasting and go back to Oxfam!
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February 15, 2019 8:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Given lack of demand they are inevitably going to end up as state houses with a fair proportion of nasty occupants. Who the hell would be stupid enough to buy one and be subjected to streams of trash neighbours.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:55am
  - hullkiwi
    
    UN your correct. But obvious question begs, what is a state house tenant going to do for a life in a rural village like TeKauwhata? No WINZ office, and limited job opportunities. Just spreading the poverty!
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:37am
- waikatogirl
  
  Judith questioned this morning on TV3 to Chris Faafoi why Labour just don’t build state houses??
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:56am
  - hullkiwi
    
    They still need subdivisions with infrastructure, builders and assorted tradesmen. Same reason they will not increase the pool of houses as indicated by Treasury (last year) and the Reserve Bank yesterday!
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:39am
KH

China is being a petty bully – but dangerous all the same. One thing for sure is that if we give in it will just lead to a worse future.
We have to tell them ‘no’.
It might be tough for us for a while, but we are best not being a vassal state.
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February 15, 2019 8:22am
- NK
  
  Oh fu*k off. They are behaving just like Britain did 40 years ago and how the USA treats us now. There’s no difference. We are a small, irrelevant pox on the world stage and will always be bossed around, whether it’s the Chinese or the increasingly authoritarian Yanks.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:31am
  - KH
    
    Try to think out 50 or 100 years. The chinese are thinking longer term than that.
    Currently China is being really nasty for almost no reason. Think how bad it could be if we go down the path of obedience.
    Lets do the hard bit now.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:58am
    - KevOB
      
      The Chinese seem rising and the USA beginning its death throes. China is a much more compliant society and we may not like their style of govt but they have proven longevity. Political divisiveness could break up the USA.
      
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      February 15, 2019 5:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    However, when ardern the liar is well gone..so will have the pox.
    
    Is that what you meant?
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:48am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Wasn’t aware that US and Britain had millions in concentration camps in the late 70’s or that they murdered 10’s of thousands a year to supply organs to their nomenclature. But do carry on with your historical whaddaboutism.
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We are a vassal state of the USA-UK security alliance.
  
  We need a wise, clever helmsperson to steer us through the choppy waters of 21st century politics.
  
  Jacinda and CoL are driving us further onto the rocky shores of our Cold War masters.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:48am
  - Jack5
    
    A vassal state, Maggy?
    
    We are out of ANZUS, and those Leftist Aucklanders insulted and boycotted the US Navy, which protected us in World War 2, while welcoming warships of the People’s Liberation Army.
    
    We have sent troops to fight alongside Western allies in Afghanistan, but weren’t in the two invasions of Iraq.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m sorry, I should have been more specific..
      I meant NZ’s intelligence alliances… as I thought that is what is under discussion…. re Huawei.
      
      @Jack 5… have you checked out the conditions that have now been placed (by the USA) on space research/activity here in NZ?
      
      Do you think anyone can launch a satellite from NZ now?
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:38am
      - Jack5
        
        A quick check, Maggy, brought up this:
        
        https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-Relations/US-to-ease-restrictions-on-space-tech-tie-ups-except-with-China
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Try this:
        Johanson also suggests the government may not have full information about what is being launched from New Zealand due to the Technology Safeguards Agreement, the treaty signed to allow for the transfer of US rocket technology to New Zealand.
        
        The agreement requires the US to provide a written statement about spacecraft it proposes to launch from New Zealand, but precludes New Zealand from launching any spacecraft that the US deems contrary to its laws or policies.
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/17-12-2018/revealed-rocket-lab-has-just-made-nz-a-launch-pad-for-us-defence-satellites/
        
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        February 15, 2019 1:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy, could this be related to the fact that the NZ company, Rocket Lab, is a subsidiary of the American company Rocket Lab USA, Inc?
        
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        February 15, 2019 5:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Absolutely.
        
        Yanks now have the right to halt/restrict any other venture in NZ from launching satellites.
        
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        February 15, 2019 6:28pm
  - KevOB
    
    Indeed.
    
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    February 15, 2019 5:17pm
- KiWombat
  
  Have heard on the grapevine today that China is stopping imports of New Zealand salmon effective immediately. Sealord spitting chips.
  
  Lets hope that our news service puts something on the news tonite – or do you think they’ll need a week or so to get the spin doctors onto it ?
  
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  February 15, 2019 4:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Jacinda should put Shane on the job….
    He was Chairman of Sealord Products once upon a time.
    
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    February 15, 2019 4:47pm
Lee C

It’s interesting, is it not, that despite a concerted media onslaught, people, are just starting to decide that perhaps National were not so bad after all.

And all they needed to do to achieve this turnaround, was actually turn up to work and do their jobs.

Simon Bridges jump on China. Get an MP out there, in a high-profile rescue mission – start the dialogue illustrate to teh public that sitting on your thumbs is not international diplomacy. Blindside th idiots in the CoL.

At this moment in time, Bridges needs to issue a statement of intent about how he intends to build that bridge back to China/NZ accord, and expose Brandcinda’s ‘denialism’ or the shallow trough of self-interest it is.
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February 15, 2019 8:24am
- Sacha
  
  Bridges should, IMO, keep schtum. Anything he says will be automatically derided by the left (who act like Pavlov’s dogs) and will be misconstrued for mass consumption.
  
  The left are contributing to their own failure, which can be seen by all who care to look, or who will have their lives disrupted by the CoL’s activities.
  The Chinese can be very flexible, and if in the future NZ has a friendly government, they will reciprocate.
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    However, I don’t think he should keep quiet, or at least Todd McClay should be on the case.
    
    As a matter of interest, isn’t Penny Wong the current “shadow” minister of Foreign affairs in Australia?
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:56am
kowtow

Across Europe anti semitism on the rise .

‘Some 41 percent of Jews surveyed in Germany said that they’d experienced harassment from a person with “a Muslim extremist view.”‘

https://www.dw.com/en/anti-semitism-in-the-eu-jewish-people-consider-leaving-over-safety-concerns/a-46671092
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February 15, 2019 8:25am
- NK
  
  Reading the comments on this blog and other social media sites suggests that the rhetoric is identical to that expressed against zhong guo he shi ren.
  
  Translate that you ignorant shitwits.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:39am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    off the top of my head zhong guo is chinese speaker, and I think he shi ren translates to “I fellate”
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      “And Poet”…
      
      Yours is more fun though.
      
      我f ..
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:45am
  - pentwig
    
    nk
    are you another fuckwit banned from the stranded?
    poor dearie!
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:04am
  - stephieboy
    
    “Translate that you ignorant shitwits”
    
    Spot on!
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:36am
    - Tall Man
      
      Just like the pimple on your face steffy.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:41am
  - Dave Mann
    
    ‘Chinese and people like that’ … or maybe just ‘Chinese people’.
    
    I speak a little Chinese, but it’s hard to exactly understand ‘he’ without hearing it or seeing the pinyin accents.
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      Yet you can read a woman’s mind…how is that dave?
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:52am
      - Dave Mann
        
        You seriously need to get a life. If you think constantly stooping to mindless abuse and childish harping is clever, then you need help. Learn more about dialogue and discussion and try to be a little less insulting. It’s getting boring.
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:06am
      - Tall Man
        
        Gosh dave, you don’t like being identified when you have been a dick which you were yesterday.
        
        I debate when required, insult when required and remind when required.
        
        You carry an anti National bias which taints your opinion. Your comments about the ad were shown up to be drivel yet we saw no retraction or admission that you were wrong. You were part of the “snowflakes” that got “outraged” on behalf of all women. I called you patronising then and I was right.
        
        You fell into the trap because you “want” to see mistakes within National.
        
        Fuck knows why as they are the only real alternative that we have.
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        And again, just for you dave.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/woke_activists_fall_into_trap.html/comment-page-1#comment-2428415
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:36am
- MickMac
  
  and?….
  
  What’s new Kowtow?
  No one cares.
  They’re Jews.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    What’s new is the mass influx of Muslims.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:04am
  - marleybob
    
    Filthy little Cunt.
    
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    February 15, 2019 2:30pm
hullkiwi

My wife came home with a gem last night that also gives an indication of why NZ has such a broke welfare system and poor productivity.

My wife works in an industry which pays commonly minimum wage and is very much a disorganized shambles.

Therefore, it is common for workers to try it on and milk the system. The common way this is done is via the ACC system with the aid of doctors.

She has given me many examples of where doctors visits for non accidents and pre existing conditions are claimed for under ACC.

The latest was a staff member who had insect bites that have gone septic. Wife told woman to go to the doctor to get it seen to before it turned worse. Sure enough woman requires intravenous antibiotics and is off work as she handles food stuffs. But the killer is, the doctor gave the woman ACC form and is passing the treatment of for an accident.

Wife tells me, I get indignant, she says it is common. I say it shouldn’t be. We look at ACC website. Sure enough the case i highlighted shouldn’t be getting ACC, but why is it? Why are doctors aiding and abetting a rort of the ACC system?
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February 15, 2019 8:37am
- NK
  
  Not only doctors, but physiotherapists too.
  
  Mind you, I’m not complaining as my running and cycling injuries mount up.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pre-existing….you’re fucked.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:37am
    - NK
      
      Sometimes yes, but not if you make up a story about a sudden pain or something.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        Make sure to get a doctor’s visit in at the time.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:51am
- Pascal
  
  I suspect because they will get paid for treatment, rather than trying to chase a patient for treatment after the fact.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:06am
- tf78
  
  I was talking to my doc about that last month, she said she has people making appointments for cuts and scratches and she can’t not see them. Has everyone turned into an absolute sissy or are mothers just inept. ACC needs to get back to it’s core business of accidents only and mothers need to buy a first aid kit.
  
  When I was about five I nearly cut my thumb off with a hand saw (my father nearly fainted when he saw the bone), but we never even thought of going to the doctor. A good wash under the tap and a band aid (I have a good scar though).
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-gif-9499691
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:39am
- insider
  
  If you were bitten by a dog and it got infected that would be considered an injury and covered under acc. Same for insect bites.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:26am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Approximate cause” is the term I think.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:38am
    - hullkiwi
      
      That is a bloody stretch. That is not ACC as originally intended!
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:43am
      - Tall Man
        
        I’m by no means au fait with ACC legislation just their attitude, “we’re all arseholes”….
        
        “A proximate cause” (apologies for the earlier mis spellinng…fast fingers now I’m a toy boy) is as follows…
        
        “In law, a proximate cause is an event sufficiently related to an injury that the courts deem the event to be the cause of that injury. There are two types of causation in the law: cause-in-fact, and proximate (or legal) cause.”
        
        ACC and insurers us it in considering a claim I believe.
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:50am
- cmm
  
  The first month I lived in NZ (1992) there were 2 ACC cases in the news:
  
  * Bloke bit on a bit of unexpected bone in a pie and broke his tooth. Compensation disallowed.
  * Prisoner injected himself with some muck. His arm got infected and had to have his arm amputated. Compensation allowed.
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    cmm, there was a better one to your second incident a few years earlier.
    
    Prisoner attempting a jail break, falls and broke his arm and leg and got ACC.
    
    The issue in this instance and probably also the case you refer to was, should a person receive ACC for an injury sustained in the pursuit of an illegal activity? In both instances, they would not have got injured if they hadn’t been doing what they were at the time.
    
    As for the case of shooting yourself up with muck, whether in jail or not, how can this be deemed an accident?
    
    Based on these incidents it is a reasonable assumption that the ACC scheme has been broken for some time.
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:26am
    - peterwn
      
      There was a tragic pre-ACC case (in workers compo era).
      Foreman asked tradie to work on live switchboard (too inconvenient to turn off power). Tradie refused. Foreman asked apprentice to work on it – he too refused. Foreman worked on it himself and got zapped. Foreman’s family then asked for compo even though was utterly negligent. Compo not paid as foreman obviously at fault (I was going to use a stronger description but would be absolutely non PC now).
      
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      February 15, 2019 7:00pm
Monique Watson

Soros is having a sook about anti EU sentiment. He quite rightly is predicting the demise of the experimental EU.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12203902
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February 15, 2019 8:39am
- mandk
  
  Anything that Soros is alarmed about is good in my book.
  He spends a lot of time and money trying to subvert democracies.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:05am
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    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    “He spends a lot of time and money trying to subvert democracies”
    
    BS!
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:39am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Stephie he does work to subvert democracies. Do some real research for once and look at how he profited out of the UK in 1992 thanks to the ERM.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:46am
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        hullkiwi, you make the claim. You substantiate it!
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:47am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Stephie, I don’t have to. Anybody who knows UK/EU history knows what happened, who made the profit and at whose expense!
        
        Instead of throwing up web links that are usually squirrels, do some research and enlighten yourself rather succumbing to the usual derision you receive.
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:32am
    - Monique Watson
      
      (Patiently) He funds political movements in other countries. This is subversion of democracy.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:50am
      - Paulus
        
        Particularly Hungary from whence Soros went to the USA – he throws money around calling doing good for the Country.
        And Budapest still is corrupt too.
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      ardern is subverting democracy
      
      truth makes steffy cranky
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:46am
- DigNap15
  
  God I hate that guy.
  He is a traitor to the west.
  And the sooner the EU breaks up the better!
  The Euro is a good idea for travel and commerce.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:12am
  - hullkiwi
    
    He is a nasty piece of work, who has profited out of exploiting weak governments at the expense of a country’s citizens.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:47am
  - Inandout
    
    Disagree, the Euro is a currency hated by most Germans and French. It takes away sovereignty from nations and thereby their pride. Soros wanted a global Europe.
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:36am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Inandout, I agree with you. I worked in NRW, Germany for nearly 2 years. My German colleagues wanted their DMark back.
      Your right about Soros too.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:36am
      - Jack5
        
        The euro has helped keep German exports competitive. If Germany hadn’t adopted the euro, the Deutsche mark would be through the roof, pricing BMW;s and Audi’s off the foreign markets.
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:56am
      - Paulus
        
        I understand some Major German Companies have been stockpiling Deutschmarks in warehouses for many years as a precaution when the Euro collapses, which it appears to be doing now.
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I still find the US dollar is preferred if trying to get a discount 😉
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:45am
Maggie Pie

My partner and me recently got a new 55 Samsing tv and the picture quality is absolutely amazing. You can even change chanels and volume just by talking to it. I watched QT again yesterday hopping to catch a glimpse of what Sarah D was wearing but they never seem to focus on her now. One thing I have notived this week is that we no longer have those deaf and dump people up in the corner of the screen doing the stuff with there hands. Not sure if thats just our new telly or they realized what a distaction it was to normal viewers.
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February 15, 2019 8:39am
- artemisia
  
  It was stopped because of cost. V benefit one assumes. Maybe they found out that none of the target audience were watching, or could lipread anyway.
  
  In any case, Hansard reports very quickly these days. Not real time, obviously, but close.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:51am
  - namron
    
    A bit of googling told me that NZ only had 9000
    totally deaf people. Maybe at last, commonsense has told them that very few of them watch QT.
    Think I saw someone “doing stuff with their hands” behind Jacinda when she gave her State of the Nation speech the other day – so the might just be for her now!!
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:57am
- godruelf
  
  I think there was actually a petition presented to the house this week to bring back the sign language wavers back… Can’t recall how many asked for it. Don’t miss them either.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:55am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I spend about eight hours every night listening to the sign language wavers. Usually between 11 p.m. and 7 a.m.
    
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    February 15, 2019 12:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, it can even change to Fox if you ask. I love my Sony Smartie.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:55am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I guess the sign people protested about translating all the lies??
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:45am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Difficulties with some of the words apparently
    
    Poverdy, absoludly, ah, um, you get the driff
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:45am
  - godruelf
    
    I think the one that gave up trying to translate Claire Curran’s waffle was the best.
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:51am
Evadne

The China issue is generating plenty of talk. Unfortunately, it seems to be mainly partisan talk about whether we need/ want a relationship with China / America; the differing ideologies regarding economics, trade, spying, foreign investment, military alliances etc.

All interesting debates, perhaps, but they miss the point. Foreign affairs are primarily about diplomacy. If you want to set up a trade agreement or withdraw from one; if you want to make or break alliances, foster friendships or manage enemies, you do it carefully. The bigger the issue, the more carefully it should be handled.

This apprently sudden, public blow-up by China is the result of mismanagement over some months by NZ. Regardless of any personal ideological theories of commentators or politicians, China are a major trading partner, with close ties, a relationship which needs managing.

Adern and her government have shown themselves to be scandalously incompetent, and woefully ingnorant about the basics of international relations, and diplomacy.

That is the scandal.
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February 15, 2019 8:47am
- kowtow
  
  No , the scandal is we’ve become too dependant and close with an evil regime.
  
  Also it’s basic good business to have diversified markets , we’ve gone head over heals for China.
  
  The fact that it is big has blinded people to it’s huge potential to be unstable and unreliable.
  
  Any fuck wit could tell you that.
  
  And for people who are genuinely interested , and not just partisan party hacks (blue , red or green)
  
  https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/02/12/challenges-and-complexities/
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow, maybe a population of 1.386 million people has something to do with it!
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:52am
    - BassilFawlty
      
      Stupid girl.
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:03am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I think we just fell naturally into the arms of China. After all, the USA wouldn’t (and still won’t) negotiate a FTA with us despite our military and diplomatic support of them over decades, and China wanted to buy our ‘healthy’ dairy and other food products.
    
    We’ve annoyed the Australians by scrapping our armed forces, sending them our criminals and bludgers and loudly trying to stop them from protecting their territory from illegals…. but so far they haven’t actually cut the ties and set us adrift, so I think we should be pretty grateful for small mercies.
    
    Chinese history shows that they don’t colonise. They acquire vassal (tributary) states. New Zealand hasn’t yet become a vassal state, but it’s probably well on the way.
    
    We won’t actually be required to set up a social credit system or supply military bases. We’ll probably just find that our economy will start to shrink of we make international waves against their (quite justified IMHO) suppression of internal radical Islam or criticise them too much in other ways.
    
    I don’t think the people themselves or their culture are inherently ‘bad’; quite the contrary actually. But it’s a good thing that we are now waking up to the potential downside of their totalitarian regime. To negotiate with this, we need diplomacy and a good feel for cultural nuance – which the SLG doesn’t seem to have. National has it a lot more.
    
    It’s always sobering to remember that NZ has less than 20% of the population of Shanghai and probably an even lower economic clout than this in financial terms.
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:42am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      The acquire vassal states, then move Han Chinese in until they are numerically superior while quietly repressing and squeezing the previous inhabitants out of existence (though not interbreeding due to their racism/cultural supremacy) – like the vanishing Tibetans. Modern colonialism.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:50am
- Monique Watson
  
  Mahon’s interview sets this out nicely. We fucked up (banning) Huawei and are now dangling a teeny tiny carrot in front of Jinping in the form of allowing hardware. We encountered a slight bit of political strong ? from our 5 ? s partners and bent like a reed.
  We would’ve been far safer to run with Huawei.
  As I said previously. The Ukrainians are far more of a danger to security than any Chinese threat. Putin will find any back door to find his rewenge on the West. The CCP would knock on the door of anyone who threatened the well being of the state as a whole. Jinping has an aging population of 1.4 billion to manage.
  We flushed a good and honorable trading relationship down the toilet for what?
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:04am
  - Simon
    
    We flushed a good and honorable trading relationship down the toilet for what?
    
    “Is it a kind of robbery? New Zealand stabbed us in the back but asks for our money? This is double-faced,” a Beijing-based worker told the Global Times.
    
    Low level CCP operative at CCP MSM. (in NZ herald)
    
    This isnt a trading relationship. Offer and acceptance and exchange goods and services. This political. This CCP mong says you took our money (we thought a commerical exchange) but we still owe them for something.
    
    CCP scum and National are in bed with them.
    
    It anit a FTA there are lots of strings attached to call it a Free trade agreement clearly it isnt.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      I guess you’d better keep checking under your bed every night before sleep……….
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:33am
    - Monique Watson
      
      Simon. No one would trade with China, just because of the bias you and the other ignorant trolling mongs display. New Zealand was the first to devote time and energy to do so. We built up a lot of mana with the Chinese. I can’t be bothered with your un-educated tripe you dumb cunt.
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:15am
  - Jack5
    
    Mahon’s got his head up Beijing’s arse.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:27am
  - stephieboy
    
    The Ukrainians?
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Do you exist on a different plane from the rest of us?
      https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-petya-ransomware-cyberattack-ground-zero/28583931.html
      
      https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2019/01/16/514919.htm
      
      and zillions of other references….
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:46am
      - stephieboy
        
        How Russia cyber attacks helped Trump to the US presidency
        
        Kathleen Hall Jamieson
        
        It’s clearer than ever: the theft and leaking of Democratic emails were key to Clinton’s election defeat
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/22/russia-cyber-theft-trump-us-election-president-clinton
        
        Russia Launched Cyber Attacks Against Ukraine Before Ship Seizures, Firm Says
        
        https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/12/russia-launched-cyber-attacks-against-ukraine-ship-seizures-firm-says/153375/
        
        And zillion other links!
        
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        February 15, 2019 12:20pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Will Ardern take the ultimate step, and replace Winston Peters as Foreign Minister? David Parker has been very good in the trade portfolio, and could easily make the transition.
  
  That, of course, would crash the coalition, but Ardern could always try and negotiate a confidence and supply agreement with NZF. Alternatively, she could trust the Reid Research poll, and go to the country to seek a fresh mandate. Wouldn’t that be fun?
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:05am
  - Biscuit
    
    KS, the latest poll (if it is accurate) should embolden the Greens more in Cabinet.
    
    ‘Winston, we won’t support that.’
    
    ‘I’ll sulk!’
    
    ‘Do that, but understand that you now are the unneeded part of this Coalition…’
    
    ‘Oh, Jacinda, about that Kermadec Sanctuary that NZ First kerboshed. We want it. Tell Winston to suck it up…’
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:03am
  - Paulus
    
    His history suggests that you would trust Parker about as far as you could Peters.
    
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    February 15, 2019 2:28pm
- niggly
  
  “Adern and her government have shown themselves to be scandalously incompetent, and woefully ingnorant about the basics of international relations, and diplomacy.
  
  That is the scandal.”
  
  Evadne – I was thinking something similar yesterday. I was thinking for example of how the WW2 Labour Govt of Fraser and Nash managed NZ’s international relations with the great powers – the UK, then the USA (and of course Australia all along), how they were respected and put NZ’s interests on the world stage i.e. NZ sat at the “big table” etc.
  
  Contrast to this to today’s incompetent, out of their depth COL Labour govt and PM, who’s only “success” seems to be to piss off our allies (Australia and the US) and then to make matters worse appear to be insulting China … but unlike say insulting Japan 70 odd years ago, this time around the US does not have NZ’s back (for protection).
  
  NZ is adrift in very unsettling times and this may be an “extreme” phrase for me to use so take it at face value … but it seems like the current Labour Govt are “sleepwalking their way to war” (worse case scenario of course). 🙁
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    Plus…
    
    “On the outbreak of World War II the RNZAF had as its primary equipment 30 Vickers Wellington bombers, which the New Zealand government offered to the United Kingdom in August 1939, together with the crews to fly them.”
    
    What could we sent now….Can’t send the 757 because ardern the liar needs that so a couple of Orions maybe.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      Toy boy, this is not 1939-45.
      
      Go and see your Doctor!
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:50am
      - niggly
        
        Stephieboy – serious question (as you seem to have a good grasp of history according to some of your posts), do you not think there are some parallels today with period leading up to 1935-45, in terms of rising rhetoric (be that China/US whatever), the fractioning of international agreements and norms and increasingly instability etc?
        
        I’d be genuinely interested if you were to write up a few comments on your thoughts on these matters (not one liner put downs etc).
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:07am
      - Tall Man
        
        Toy boy..after last night my wife may well agree with you…
        
        “a young man who has a sexual or romantic relationship with an older woman:”
        
        Well she said it was like I was a toy boy.
        
        So do you call your favourite billy goat a “toy boy” or just a little kid…..
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:41am
      - stephieboy
        
        niggly, no meaningful parallels with the 1930s. Whilst Beijing has various economic and other interests it has not displayed a desire to occupy a Sudeten land, annexe a Czechoslovakia, occupy and annex Austria, Poland etc and declare War!
        
        The root causes of this current situation lie’s in the US President’s paranoid MAGA nationalism and populism!
        
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        February 15, 2019 12:28pm
      - niggly
        
        Stephieboy, except what about China wanting to “annex” Taiwan? And control the SCS and various islands beyond its EEZ?
        
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        February 15, 2019 5:19pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  What is the real scandal is we are suffering the side effects of Trump’s trade wars with Beijing!
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:41am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    No Stephie; we’ve been singled out for special treatment because we banned Huawei, and because Winston Peters made a an anti-Chinese speech recently, which the PM admits she didn’t read first.
    
    Ardern has left Peters to his own devices, and we know from past experience that’s a very dangerous strategy. She now faces the difficult decision as to whether to sack him as an olive branch to the Chinese, or whether to try and talk New Zealand’s way out of trouble, and good luck with that!
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      As far as most people are concerned it is business as usual like the Air NZ flight turned back and resumed its journey to Shanghai later in the day!
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:55am
      - Tall Man
        
        No, point made so move on. Too clever for a thicko like you to figure that out.
        
        Stick to the simple stuff steffy, like….
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 15, 2019 10:37am
      - pentwig
        
        stoopidthing
        good grief you are thick!
        duh!
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nonsense comment from steffy girl….typical.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:36am
  - Sideoiler
    
    …Whilst Beijing has various economic and other interests it has not displayed a desire to occupy a Sudeten land, annexe a Czechoslovakia, occupy and annex Austria, ….
    
    Tibet or Taiwan, ringing any bells?
    
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    February 15, 2019 2:13pm
- Sacha
  
  I’d say the scandal is the lack of political nous shown by a great many NZ voters.
  Their voting choices are governed by the weight of their wallets.
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:51am
softail 1450

If not her husband who’s going to tell JAG her arse is expanding quicker than the fires in Nelson,I guess the best person will be one of the dykes in parliament,or Tamati Coffey as he’s going to have to confront the problem of post birth weight gain as his husband is preggies with their first child, FFS.
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February 15, 2019 9:01am
- Poppa
  
  God give me strength, & that moron is actually in parliament!
  
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  February 15, 2019 2:50pm
Paulus Gnome

9.00

Bye bye Mike, good morning Peter and later, Sean, both on Magic
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February 15, 2019 9:12am
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.magic.co.nz/home.player.talk.html
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:24am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Radio Sport for me until 1pm (after The Country), then over to Magic for Plunket’s afternoon programme.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:53am
  - DigNap15
    
    yes, then its back to Larry at 4pm.
    
    I wrote and told ZB that I was no longer goign to listen after 9am. They replied that not every host would appeal to everyone.
    
    But if if they lose their audience and their advertisers, they will be begging Leighton to come back or find a good sensible right wing host!
    Cadburys anyone?
    
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    February 15, 2019 10:10am
    - Inandout
      
      How the hell ZB keeps Lush on I will never know. I can’t think of any other host who has to literally beg for callers. When Miles Davis is on his board lights up like a Christmas tree.
      
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      February 15, 2019 10:42am
  - mic
    
    Hosking first then Magic ’til Larry.
    
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    February 15, 2019 1:43pm
- Poppa
  
  I have not listened to ZB in the morning since LS left so they have lost me. I do listen to Larry in the evening on the way home
  
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  February 15, 2019 2:52pm
Fletch

ps, the National ad was like a ‘tar baby’ that liberals couldn’t stand and offended their precious liberal sensibilities and they couldn’t leave it alone. Had to give it a smack and attack it…lol. They’ve only drawn attention to what it said, now. I wouldn’t even have known about it, had it not been for the MSM.
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February 15, 2019 9:19am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Even better was off the back of Plunkett’s viral interview and subsequent unveiling of the Empress having no clothes, people are now openly challenging the SJW/PC bullshit world that Genter et al inhabit.
  
  Tar baby indeed.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:56am
  - niggly
    
    https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2019/02/watch–sean-plunket-interviews-canadian-professor-jordan-peterso.html
    
    https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2019/02/sean-plunket-rips-into-auckland-peace-action-activist-over-jorda.html
    
    Some more “good times” 🙂
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:59am
unaha-closp

For the past few years when walking the dog I have been taking along 3 of the EVIL single use shopping bags. Two for the dog, the other I’d use to pick up trash at the park and on the road. I have just finished the last of the EVIL single use bags. So that has stopped now, the trash can lie in the streets forever – a fitting monument to Jacinda.
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February 15, 2019 9:19am
- niggly
  
  I’m hoping that Jacinda and the fruitloop Greens and all their adoring anti-plastic bag supporters are walking around with their $2 hessian shopping bags picking up the nations dog poop for us plebs … surely?
  
  But if not, why not?
  
  Because …. they are Virtue Signalling tossers!
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:31am
Maggie Pie

There are three things certin in life – death, taxes, and hot flushes.
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February 15, 2019 9:39am
- Peter S
  
  If you are a bloke the only way you end up with a hot flush is if you have had an incompetent plumber installing your toilet.
  
  On a similar theme, the guy that was buying a replacement toilst commented that unfortunately his pan had not survived first contact with the enema.
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:40am
BassilFawlty

It’s looking like this Kiwibuild thing is nothing more than a get out of jail for stressed developers. Taxpayers picking up the tab for projects that should have been shit canned.
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February 15, 2019 9:45am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Spot on Bassil. And that’s why all the luvvies are so angsty about National’s Kiwibuild advert; because they’re having to confront the reality that Labour really IS all sizzle and no sausage.
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:56am
- PhilP
  
  BassilFawlty
  Sybil, “Oh I know, Oh I know”
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:02am
- Fletch
  
  No one entered the ballot for any of the Kiwibuild homes in the Waikato…
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/revealed-no-one-entered-kiwibuild-ballot-for-waikato-development.html
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:03am
  - Rich Prick
    
    But wait, there’s more: the first 10 buyers will get $5000 towards whiteware or furniture.
    
    Is this what KiwiFlop has come to, a free set of steak knives?
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:07am
    - burt
      
      And a set of Ginsu knives.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:19am
      - Disillusioned_Voter
        
        And whatever Suzanne is currently flogging…
        
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        February 15, 2019 1:39pm
Steve (North Shore)

Wonder what’s going to happen around 4.30pm today? Watch your backs
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February 15, 2019 9:58am
- burt
  
  Winston will be doing a press release telling us how he’s never been against Asian Immigration.
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think he’ll use his hand up ardern the liar’s arse to make her say that…or even worse, “chinky” hating twitford may get the honour….
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:07am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I will be knocking the top off a cold one, the priNZess on the other hand, will be hitting the send button
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:55am
dime

Isn’t it amazing how upset China is?

The communists going nuts because a private company, controlled by a billionaire, isn’t allowed to bid for a job.

Its almost like it’s a government controlled company with motives outside of maximising revenue.

In saying that, Labour has the finesse of a date rapist. Handled as badly as expected.
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February 15, 2019 10:49am
- Tall Man
  
  I think they are pissed because they see it as a slight against Chinese people as well as against the Chinese government.
  
  Remember when the Aussies refused to take our apples, that pissed us off.
  
  Remember when they lost the case and Aussie supermarkets removed New Zealand products in retaliation, that pissed us off.
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:58am
  - dime
    
    yeah i remember when the country 4 times the size of us were dicks.
    
    pretty fucking petty from china.
    
    China population 1386 million. Us 5 million on a good day.
    
    China GDP 12,240,000,000,000.00
    NZ GDP 2,240,000,000.00
    
    Its like you being insulted by a 4 year old and retaliating. the chinese should grow the fuck up
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      Remember that the next time someone like jag insults you.
      
      We are little but are a big player in China with dairy.
      
      They are flicking a towel at us, if they were really pissed say bye bye Fonterra.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:12am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And if they decide not to take our logs for a few years.. (which only make up a small fraction of China’s timber imports)
        Hawkes Bay & the East Coast District will grind to a halt.
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:17am
      - burt
        
        Winston did warn us it wouldn’t be his fault though.
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:18am
      - DigNap15
        
        And say goodbye to our kiwifruit industry.
        I think over half of our k/f exports go to China.
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:50am
      - Jack5
        
        Partly thanks to China’s help, China is a bigger dairy producer than NZ. It’s developing a strong dairy export trade to Russia.
        
        As for log exports, I think Shane Jones right in trying to re-orient forest products exporting away from raw logs:
        
        http://time.com/106319/heres-what-chinese-hackers-actually-stole-from-u-s-companies/
        
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        February 15, 2019 11:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, as about now our exports of sawn timber to China is 15% . By far the bigger majority goes to the US, ASEAN, SE Asia etc.
        
        Log exports to China are about nil,
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/93730/export-markets-unpruned-sawn-timber-consume-everything-nz-mills-can-supply-strong
        
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        February 15, 2019 12:38pm
      - dime
        
        “Remember that the next time someone like jag insults you.”
        
        A minister of the crown insulting a dude who comments on kiwiblog is worth me putting shit back on her…
        
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        February 15, 2019 12:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        MW, as about now our exports of sawn timber to China is 15% . By far the bigger majority goes to the US, ASEAN, SE Asia etc.
        
        Log exports to China are about nil,
        
        1. Do you know the difference between sawn timber and logs?
        
        2. NZ log exports to China – makes up 75% of our log export volume each year… that’s 80,000 cubic metres exported each Day!
        https://nz.pfolsen.com/market-info-news/wood-matters/2018/december/log-market-december/
        
        God only knows where you get your information from, but you clearly haven’t a clue about what is going on in the real world.
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:00pm
      - Swifty
        
        Stiffy – go and take a walk. It’s clear you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about and have just hurriedly googled and cocked up, yet again.
        
        NZ log exports to China ‘about nil’ – FFS.
        
        Disclaimer – I am the issue of a multi-decade veteran of NZFOA.
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:15pm
    - burt
      
      Its like you being insulted by a 4 year old
      
      I don’t think the 4 year old is the problem, it’s the 70+ year old standing behind her who’s been insulting them for decades.
      
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      February 15, 2019 11:17am
burt

I was thinking of submitting an OIA to find out how many KiwiBuild homes have been sold to people with Chinese sounding names 😉
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February 15, 2019 10:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

High Country Tenure review ceases.
Better late than never.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/91935035/ann-brower-for-the-sake-of-our-high-country-stop-tenure-review
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February 15, 2019 10:58am
- Paulus
  
  High Country tenure – and watch the gorse and other vagaries grow as DOC cannot control it.
  
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  February 15, 2019 2:32pm
stinkypete

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110616642/sovereign-citizen-defence-mooted-for-alleged-baby-killer

The man charged with the cold case murder of a 10-month old baby in 2014 may attempt a “sovereign citizen” defence – a claim that as a Māori, Crown law does not apply to him.
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February 15, 2019 10:59am
- DigNap15
  
  So did Maoris go around bashing their babies before the Europeans arrived?
  
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  February 15, 2019 11:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    Don’t know but I do know they were prostituting girls as young as 12 to them when they did arrive,, despite the best efforts of Henry Williams and other missionaries.
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Abstract
    The practice of abortion and infanticide in pre and early European New Zealand is confirmed. The reasons for these practices and the methods used are discussed in relation to early Maori attitudes and mythology.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/273782
    
    Infanticide was not unknown here in former times, though it was never practised to the extent that it was in some of the thickly-populated isles of Polynesia, Tahiti for example.
    http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bes02Maor-t1-body-d1.html
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:28am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, you appear to go out of your way to besmirch Maori ancient customs in respect to infanticide and abortion etc when it was once universally practised in most cultures,
      
      Infanticide (or infant homicide) is the intentional killing of infants.
      
      Parental infanticide researchers have found that mothers are far more likely than fathers to be the perpetrators of neonaticide[1] and slightly more likely to commit infanticide in general.[2]
      
      Anthropologist Laila Williamson notes that “Infanticide has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunter gatherers to high civilizations, including our own ancestors. Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule.”[3]:61
      
      In many past societies, certain forms of infanticide were considered permissible
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
      
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      February 15, 2019 12:46pm
      - Tall Man
        
        They used to put the village idiot in the stocks as well steffy, how would you feel about sitting there while the populace throw rotten fruit at you?
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 15, 2019 1:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        you appear to go out of your way to besmirch Maori ancient customs in respect to infanticide and abortion etc when it was once universally practised in most cultures,
        
        I have produced some reference material.. that is all.
        
        You must know by now that I have a bit of knowledge of NZ’s published scientific works.
        
        This is our recorded history… like it or lump it.
        
        As for besmirching Maori ancient customs, I’m happy to besmirch any custom ancient or modern that sanctions the killing of a fellow human being.
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:33pm
      - GoVege
        
        Stephieboy: it’s true virtually every society has practised infanticide, prostitution…even of their own kids, slavery, cannibalism, animal torture, and treating females as chattels and punchbags.
        But most of that was a very long time ago, or in extremely remote locations that still live in the stone age.
        The trouble with cultures that don’t respect the rights of women and children, such as most Polynesians and Maori, is that some of those practices still go on.
        
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        February 15, 2019 2:40pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    yep:
    How numerous sometimes these war captives were may be judged by the fact that when Hongi returned from his raid on the southern tribes he brought back 2,000 prisoners to the Bay of Islands. One of the latest cannibal feats of consequence was held at Ohariu, near Wellington, when 150 of the Muaupoko tribe went into the ovens. When the Maoris overcame the gentle Morioris of the Chatham Islands, not only did they keep the captives penned up like live-stock waiting to be killed and eaten, but one of the leading chiefs of the invaders ordered a meal of six children at once to be cooked to regale his friends.
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      UN , but not nearly as bad as the carnage wrought by e.g Europeans in Africa ( e.g Genocide in SW Africa and Belgian Congo) nor of course the mass carnage and genocide as a result of WW2!
      
      Agreed?
      
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      February 15, 2019 12:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Oh well it’s ok then.
        
        Idiot, off to the stocks.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 15, 2019 1:03pm
      - sooty
        
        Not one of them sit on your arse ones.
        One of them bend over, with your head and arms locked in and your pants round your ankles, getting what you give your goat type!
        
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        February 15, 2019 3:33pm
    - GoVege
      
      Well at least we know what happened to the children.
      I used to wonder….but I suppose it was too ghastly to contemplate so it was hushed up.
      Why would anyone admit to being related to such cruel savages?
      
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      February 15, 2019 2:45pm
- Inandout
  
  What a load of tosh. Are WINZ payments ‘foreign’ as well?
  
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  February 15, 2019 11:06am
- alex Masterley
  
  That has been tried before. It did not work then and will not work again.
  
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  February 15, 2019 11:19am
rangitoto

Say hello to our new masters. No, not the Chinese.

The 2019 TCEC cup was won by a new challenger, the neural network AI system called Leela Chess Zero. That earned Leela the right to challenge the mighty champion Chess engine Stockfish in the “super final”. The final is played out over 100 games and Stockfish took the early lead but after 54 games completed, Leela now leads by 8 wins to 6 with the rest drawn. The interesting thing is that the games Leela lost were where Leela made an obvious blunder, whereas Stockfish rarely if ever makes an outright blunder. When Leela wins it seems to be by gradually manouevering Stockfish into losing positions by relentless pressure. Stockfish is a kind of brute force programme that evaluates billions of moves against some complicated evaluation rules, whereas Leela just starts off knowing the rules and learns to play well by playing lots of games against itself. Both of these programmes are rated about 600 points higher than the human chess champion Magnus Carlsen.

Leela’s cousin, the Google deep mind project Alpha Zero has already demolished an earlier version of Stockfish and also defeated the best human Go players. In it’s latest incarnation, Alpha Zero is a champion Starcraft player.

The AI’s are coming folks.
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February 15, 2019 11:06am
DigNap15

I hope Trump does this

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12204098

It will teach the democrats for being anti everything he does. It is a National crisis and so its well justified.

A governments primary task is to protect its borders and its people!
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February 15, 2019 11:11am
- Inandout
  
  The guy on Magic said ‘idio’t Trump, so obviously the station has left and right now.
  
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  February 15, 2019 3:21pm
secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION….

Would this be a good time to ring your broker and short *Wendy Wu*?
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February 15, 2019 11:17am
Michael

Decided to have a look at today’s General Debate and the first thing I see is “Guy bangs me for 4 hours”.
I wonder how many women would want to be
” banged” for 4 hours? I wonder how many men would be capable of “banging” for 4 hours?
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February 15, 2019 11:31am
- MCos
  
  A couple of things I always notice are poll results from 6/18 & something about the possibility of petrol hitting $2.50.
  It’s a bit like England football fans reminding the Germans about 1966 or WWII.
  
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  February 15, 2019 11:54am
- Swifty
  
  Morrissey – he’s a sexual tyrannosaurus, according to him.
  
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  February 15, 2019 2:00pm
Michael

Re World War 2. I was around then, btw. We used to hide under hedges as part of our school’s “taking cover from an air raid” practice.
I often wonder what the result would have been had Hitler not declared war on Russia.
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February 15, 2019 11:52am
- MH
  
  or Britain and commonwealth declare war on Russia for invading her share of Poland..
  
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  February 15, 2019 3:01pm
Sideoiler

…I often wonder what the result would have been had Hitler not declared war on Russia….

I think German victory would have been a lot more likely but not a certainty, after all Germany declared war on the US four days after Pearl Harbour.
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February 15, 2019 12:31pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  It’s very difficult to say what the outcome would have been.
  
  Once Germany failed to defeat Britain in 1940, Germany was far too strong to be defeated, but not strong enough to guarantee victory in the near future.
  
  In 1918 Germany was defeated in part because Allied control of the sea denied Germany access to the western hemisphere’s food, fertilisers, strategic raw materials and oil, and attempts to defeat Allied control of the sea had brought the US into the Allied camp. Hitler controlled Europe in 1940, but Europe was deficient in food and oil; without these Germany could not confidently resist a contentinental power such as the US and it could not confidently rely on the USSR to supply any shortfall, nor on Romanian oil which was vulnerable to Soviet air and land attack should Stalin decide to smash fascism while Hitler faced West.
  
  Meanwhile, Germany was already facing food and fuel shortages. One German general recommended de-motorising some of the army’s divisions because of lack of fuel. Opel suspended manufacturing trucks for a while because it couldn’t get petrol to test them.
  
  Operation Barbarossa was not just an ideological blow against Jewish Bolshevism; it was a pragmatic solution to the looming confrontation with the US.
  
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  February 15, 2019 3:37pm
rangitoto

So now NZ Salmon exports being held up in China ports. Nothing to see here sez Winnie and Taxinda.
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February 15, 2019 12:43pm
Longknives

This is timely-

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110616642/sovereign-citizen-defence-mooted-for-alleged-baby-killer

Labour and the Greens have for quite some time been pushing heavily for a separate judicial system for Maori.
Maybe they will finally get their wish? Will be interesting to see how this pans out…
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February 15, 2019 12:51pm
- burt
  
  It will probably end with the guy spending millions via tax payer funded legal aid to prove how he’s outside of the legal system.
  
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  February 15, 2019 12:56pm
  - fernglas
    
    He won’t. The sovereignty defence has been tried repeatedly and dealt with shortly on every occasion, bar the one that got to the Court of Appeal
    
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    February 15, 2019 4:31pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I think this is a terrible waste of taxpayers funds, funding this phuckwit’s defence on, obviously, spurious grounds. He must have the right to appeal, but us mug taxpayers should not have to pay for such outlandish appeals.
  
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  February 15, 2019 4:44pm
- KevOB
  
  To be fair judgements will have to apportioned by bloodline percentages. That could be satisfied by a Court of the required ethnic composition or proportional sentencing according to relevant tribal customs. Utu may have to be allowed in some circumstances and rules as to judicial homicide revised.
  
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  February 15, 2019 5:31pm
  - holysheet
    
    In other words he can kill himself and utu would have been served. The maori part killed the white part. Seems fair to me.
    
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    February 15, 2019 5:41pm
Southern Raider

Māori man murders a 10 month old

Gets bail and then claims a “sovereign” defence where he can’t be tried under Crown law as it doesn’t apply to him
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February 15, 2019 1:04pm
- GoVege
  
  That’s because in pre-European times, it was quite understandable for a male to lash out and kill women, children or slaves when they were feeling crabby.
  It still goes on to a degree in similar cultures.
  It used to be quite common for P I women to lose babies after being beaten while pregnant.
  I recall in the 80s the health authorities were blaming Polynesian massage for the high rate of still born babies here in NZ.
  Yeah…right.
  
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  February 15, 2019 2:58pm
- kowtow
  
  Won’t happen of course but wouldn’t it be lovely for some judge to say :
  
  ‘Righto , let’s do it your way then . Guilty . Bailiff , throw him off a cliff. ‘
  
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  February 15, 2019 3:45pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Wouldn’t it be cook and eat him?
    
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    February 15, 2019 5:38pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Me me me me me me. But enough about me, let’s talk about you. What do you think of me?
https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1095885327523229696
Well GG, it seems pretty clear that you are a clueless narcissistic thicko who has only a distant relationship with the truth, who has joined up with the only group of people dumb enough to accommodate your type of vain self aggrandising mendacity without giving you the arse card.
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February 15, 2019 1:37pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And I am delighted that GG is in the Greens – probably turns off a ton of people who might otherwise be tempted to vote for them.
  
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  February 15, 2019 2:16pm
MH

a few Islands I think called Sprately and challenges to those waters…annexation of taiwan, Tibet….Mmm
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February 15, 2019 2:52pm
Happychappy

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrongs-opinion-media-script-requires-bridges-end-up-dog-tucker?auto=6001006247001
A great opinion piece from John Armstrong about the media circus over Simon Bridges.
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February 15, 2019 2:53pm
- Morrissey
  
  Armstrong’s a third rater if ever there was one. He made a foolish mistake in 2012 when he foolishly got himself into a war with the superior (in every way) Gordon Campbell…
  
  http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2012/09/17/gordon-campbell-on-journalism-and-john-armstrong/
  
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  February 15, 2019 9:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Morrissey, you are needed here, now.

Lefty Poet rapist – James K Baxter.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/110615465/nz-poet-james-k-baxter-admitted-raping-his-wife-in-letter-to-another-woman
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February 15, 2019 4:34pm
- Inandout
  
  They were all at it back then, including our pollies.
  
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  February 15, 2019 4:39pm
- GoVege
  
  Maybe JKB was indulging in a bit of “artistic licence” when he said that, Maggy….
  
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  February 15, 2019 4:55pm
- nasska
  
  He & his wife would have been victims of their time Maggy. In 1960 childbirth was still risky to females, condoms were bought in brown paper bags from barbers & the wretched Xtian church condoned, if not promoted, physical & sexual abuse of married women by their husbands. Divorce was difficult & there was little assistance available to those who sought to flee the misery.
  
  To the religio/conservatives they were wonderful happy times.
  
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  February 15, 2019 5:06pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    But the most important part of the story, for Maggy, was Baxter’s politcal beliefs.
    
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    February 15, 2019 5:10pm
    - nasska
      
      He had an impact on the stuffed shirts of the late 60s & 70s Mike. Mere mention of his Jerusalem commune was sufficient to induce apoplexia amongst those who knew best. 🙂
      
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      February 15, 2019 5:17pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I met both JKB and Jaquie Sturm, MMA.
      
      You may not remember how JKB was hero-worshipped in the 70s & 80s….
      I knew him from days at Friends School, which he sometimes came up to for a feed when passing through ..(he was an old boy).
      I met JS in the NZ Room of the Old Wellington Library… she helped me with some research queries.
      
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      February 15, 2019 5:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Funny that you didn’t mention that first. But speaking of literary figures, there was an interesting review, by one of his exs, of the first volume of the Maurice Shadbolt bio. On the Spinoff.
        
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        February 15, 2019 6:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Funny that you didn’t mention that first.
        
        Why should I have?
        
        It’s not about me… It’s about the mythology that developed around NZ’s poet-guru/man of peace/ lover of Maori culture/ religious mystic/ alcoholic wreck… and wife abuser.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=11897014
        
        Interesting that the letter appears in this latest Volume of Fr Weir’s on Baxter’s prose.
        
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        February 15, 2019 7:22pm
      - GoVege
        
        I knew Jimmy B shortly before his death, Maggie, and now I think about it, he used to come out with some outrageous remarks which obviously weren’t meant to be taken seriously.
        I’d give you an example….but they’re unprintable.
        More importantly I don’t want to besmirch his memory.
        
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        February 16, 2019 12:41am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      His father Archibald had a pretty amazing tale to tell of his treatment as a 1st world war contentious objector “We will not Cease”. including transportation to the front lines and subjection to field punishment number 1:
      https://spartacus-educational.com/FWWfield.htm
      
      He was obviously near pathologically pig headed/sure of himself. And I guess JKB got a lot of those genes.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:33pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  He had the odd good poem. I like his Ballad of Calvary St and Eulogy for an unknown soldier. But overall, as someone who has a great love of english, (have read probably 2000+ books in my life) I think the less poetry in school the better and most certainly the less English literature/poetry as taught by English BA’s filled with approved cultural agendas and general woke stupidity the better. The shit books we were forced to read as a result of their propagandising fashions and passions were fucking torture even in my day.
  
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  February 15, 2019 6:43pm
  - nasska
    
    How true. English as an educational subject is, stripped to it’s bare bones, about communicating an idea or concept.
    
    Poetry may be art but communication it isn’t.
    
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    February 15, 2019 7:04pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      nasska sitting in a tree
      tried to read some poetry
      toppled down
      broke his crown
      stuck to bestiality
      
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      February 15, 2019 7:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The shit books we were forced to read
    
    hahaha…
    Never looked at anything by Dickens/Hardy/D.H.Lawrence/Shakespeare/Keats/Wordsworth/Salinger/
    Greene/Richard Hughes/Ted Hughes/Golding/Tennyson/Larkin ever again in my life.
    
    Still, I didn’t have to endure the crap my kids were forced to read at secondary school in English
    – only NZ authors (mainly female)
    
    Fortunately both took other subjects Classics/Drama where they were exposed to a greater canon of writing than that of NZ’s literati.
    
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    February 15, 2019 7:47pm
    - nasska
      
      This humble, retired cocky would be challenged to think of anything much he learned at school that was fuck all use in real life……
      
      ……except of course English writing & comprehension which along with basic mathematics are the enablers which allow us to keep educating ourselves for the rest of our lifetimes.
      
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      February 15, 2019 7:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m damn grateful for the English teaching I received… such an easy way to pass exams.. putting a few ideas down on paper interspersed with a comma or two and a full stop at the end.
        
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        February 15, 2019 8:03pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I’ve read works by about half of those authors for personal interest (including all of shakespeare writings). And I enjoyed most of them. No the really bad stuff was all the NZ authored garbage that was forced upon us. Keri bloody Hulme, Janet Frame, Ian Cross, Peter Hooper, every tedious poet ever whelped in NZ. Adolescent mind rape all.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Thank goodness we had no NZ writing to study at school.
        
        In retrospect, I got a pretty good intro to
        US short story writing, a general coverage of English novels, an excellent intro to mid 20th C literature and much encouragement to read widely beyond the curriculum.
        
        I seem to be reading less the older I get…. might soon be time to check out talking books.
        
        Edit: oh Grief.. I forgot, We did do Man Alone…John Mulgan
        Jeez some things are better forgotten
        
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        February 15, 2019 9:40pm
- Morrissey
  
  Thanks Maggy, we’re onto it.
  
  Cheers,
  
  The team at Daisycutter Sports Inc.
  
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  February 15, 2019 8:58pm
Inandout

Wharehouse go ‘carbon neutral’ but sell all Chinese goods made in the most polluted country on earth.
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February 15, 2019 4:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ever noticed how many folks ride their bikes to the Warehouse?
  
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  February 15, 2019 4:40pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes I think I saw Julie-Anne Genter on her bike trying to lose her weight.
    
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    February 15, 2019 5:01pm
    - nasska
      
      Unfortunately it caught up with her. 🙂
      
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      February 15, 2019 5:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I doubt she can ride fast enough for that.
      
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      February 15, 2019 9:59pm
DigNap15

The Wharehouse carbon neutral!
What a lot of rubbish.
Their shops are full of plastic goods.
Carried here on ships that use oil
What offsets their power bill?

I love plastic.
We just need to start burning or using it here and not shipping it overseas.
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February 15, 2019 4:51pm
Morrissey

American Idiots
No. 1: Stephen Martin

idiot n. 1 a stupid person; 2 (archaic) a person of low intelligence. See also: fool, ass, halfwit, nincompoop, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, imbecile, dullard, moron,simpleton, clod

Martin, who owns a sports merchandise store in Colorado Springs called Prime Time Sports, couldn’t wrap his head around players kneeling during the national anthem. ….

Three years ago, he cancelled an autograph signing with Broncos linebacker Brandon Marshall after Marshall joined the ranks of protesting players. Around the same time, he asked customers and Facebook friends and friends of Facebook friends to send photographs of active duty members of the military or veterans.
He taped them on the floor-to-ceiling windows at the front of his store. More than 4000 images arrived. And after Nike made quarterback Colin Kaepernick the face of a prominent ad campaign last year, Martin stopped selling the company’s merchandise, a radical step for a sports store in a mall.
His final crisis was precipitated when Nike threw its support behind Kaepernick ahead of the 2018 NFL season, with the rallying cry, “Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything.”
Martin had already been a vocal critic of the player protests during the national anthem. But this ad campaign made him “inflamed” with anger. ….
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/he-boycotted-nike-over-colin-kaepernick-now-his-store-is-closing-20190215-p50xz6.html

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/02/14/colorado-springs-store-to-close-after-boycotting-nike/

BOTTOM LINE: F*#kwit has lost his business.

American Idiots is researched and presented by Tiggy Ponsford, for Daisycutter Sports Inc. “Don’t wanna be an American idiot.”—Green Day
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February 15, 2019 4:55pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Please tell me Julie-Anne Genter is on that list? She’s be deserving of a very prominent spot.
  
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  February 15, 2019 5:57pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Please tell me Julie-Anne Genter is on that list? She’s be [sic] deserving of a very prominent spot.
    
    We accept that Ms Genter has often seemed out of her depth, and this may well lead some unkind people to mutter “that idiot” whenever she appears on television. However, she is not in the same league as someone like poor old Stephen Martin, who comes across as a phosphorescent cretin if ever there was one.
    
    —Tiggy Ponsford.
    
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    February 15, 2019 9:04pm
rangitoto

Anyone tried the new rail service between Hamilton and Auckland yet?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/95999367/labour-promises-rail-within-18-months-for-hamilton-commuters

Surely not another broken promise? Must be getting close to eighteen months.
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February 15, 2019 4:59pm
fernglas

Per James Shaw:
“”We were elected on a platform of change – really significant change. And all three parties of government campaigned on a platform in particular of cleaning up our rivers and ending child poverty in this country and so on.

“You cannot do that without significant change to the tax system.”

If the changes suggested are supposed to be fiscally neutral, how does it make a blind bit of difference where the revenue comes from?
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February 15, 2019 5:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think his point might be that the tax system could be fairer (however that might be defined) but that changes to achieve that fairness would be fiscally neutral.
  
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  February 15, 2019 5:13pm
  - burt
    
    The tax system could be a lot fairer if it was designed to pluck the goose with the least amount of hissing.
    
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    February 15, 2019 5:48pm
- rangitoto
  
  They don’t really care about ending child poverty, It’s all about punishing rich pricks (apart from the party elite of course).
  
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  February 15, 2019 5:17pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Any party that actively promotes the welfare state is perpetuating child poverty
    
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    February 15, 2019 5:58pm
    - nasska
      
      Any party that offers no strings, lifetime dependency on the state is perpetuating multi-generational poverty.
      
      The line was crossed when the state started to pay citizens to breed.
      
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      February 15, 2019 6:06pm
Happychappy

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12204345
Not a good weeks ending for blubber.
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February 15, 2019 6:48pm
Pete George

Suppression has just been lifted on the Blomfield versus Slater defamation case, which found that Slater had no credible defence – this is after numerous delays since the case started in 2012.

NZ Herald: Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater loses defamation case and gets told: ‘Your day will come’

Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater has lost one of the country’s longest running defamation cases after failing to put up any credible defence.

The judgment has been greeted as “magnificent” by businessman Matthew Blomfield, who sued Slater for defamation after a series of blog posts in 2012 accused him of illegal and immoral behaviour.

The judgment recorded Slater had made claims in a blog post which included saying the “Blomfield files” would expose “drugs, fraud, extortion, bullying, corruption, collusion, compromises, perjury, deception, (and) hydraulic-ing”.

Blomfield said: “Finally there is something solid out in the public domain to show that all of Cameron Slater’s nonsense was just that, nonsense.

“As this judgment clearly shows, he was given every possible chance to show that he had a defence to my defamation claim, but in the end he could produce nothing.”

The judgment made public today saw Justice Paul Davison find in Blomfield’s favour, ruling out a defence from Slater after long delays and failures to meet legal requirements to defend a claim of defamation.

Slater has taken the judgment to the Court of Appeal. There is yet to be a ruling on what the loss will cost Slater.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12204345

Sounds like a paid for hit job, followed by years of bull, delaying tactics, and finally failure.

This happened in mid October, just before Slater had a stroke which Whale Oil blamed on stress caused by media.
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February 15, 2019 6:51pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hard to feel sorry for such a loathsome creature, who for so many years has revelled in others’ misfortunes.
  
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  February 15, 2019 6:54pm
  - fernglas
    
    Those who live by the word, die by the word.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:59pm
- Pete George
  
  Statement by Blomfield:
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1902/S00119/high-court-lifts-suppression-on-whale-oil-defence.htm
  
  Judgments:
  http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1902/CIV20134045218_15022019_JUDG.pdf
  
  http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1902/CIV20134045218_26102018_JUDG.pdf
  
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  February 15, 2019 7:10pm
- oob
  
  Good job.
  
  The odious shabbas goy Whale Oil is an embarrassing stain upon the reputation of rightwing discourse in New Zealand.
  
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  February 15, 2019 7:55pm
  - MrTips
    
    It’s going to make it even tougher for Winston Prick seeing as his lawyer buddy is working for Slater pro bono and WO has been supporting NZF on the blog.
    
    They deserve each other I guess.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:12pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I should have thought he was the perfect representative of the ‘dirty politics’ that critics of Nicky Hager insisted did not exist.
    
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    February 15, 2019 8:13pm
    - rangitoto
      
      I didn’t know Slater was a lefty. I guess that explains why he is a fan of Winnie.
      
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      February 15, 2019 8:36pm
DigNap15

Yes I don’t like Slater.
But his site has far more going on, lots of articles than this one.
Also it still has a far bigger audience according to my Alexa Rating results.
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February 15, 2019 9:05pm
- reubee
  
  Look closely at the Alexa results https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/whaleoil.co.nz
  https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kiwiblog.co.nz
  Notice anything odd?
  
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  February 16, 2019 1:11am
  - DigNap15
    
    only in the….
    Top Keywords from Search Engines
    (they are quite different)
    
    What do you find odd?
    
    Maybe we should publish these two posts in the next GD as they will get lost here.
    
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    February 16, 2019 6:06am
    - MrTips
      
      Lol. The y axis is backwards and kiwiblogs numbers are bigger than wo.
      
      That ranking is weird.
      
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      February 16, 2019 7:19am
DigNap15

I just managed to find Magic Radio Talkback.
Its website says the frequency for Tauranga is 93.3
In actuality its 100.6
Cant wait to listen to it next week in the mornings.
Since Kerre came on, I don’t turn the radio on.
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February 15, 2019 9:08pm
Monique Watson

Hahaha. If all else fails get Leadsom on Today.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/feb/15/brexit-erg-denies-holding-the-uk-to-ransom-after-refusing-to-back-pm-live
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February 15, 2019 9:25pm
noskire

As an aside, I will shortly declare that I will be challenging Nicky Wagner as National’s candidate for Christchurch Central.
It’s unusual to publicly discuss such a move, but as Kiwiblog is a bastion for the right, I would like to invite the Christchurch readers in particular to contact me – and share their thoughts as to what they think are the priorities for National’s Christchurch Central MP, and National in general.
Contact me at noskirenz@gmail.com in the first instance.
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February 15, 2019 9:49pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  really bad idea to out yourself if you have been using a non-de-plume – your opposition will go trawling through your history for any ammo they can find.
  
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  February 15, 2019 10:40pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Oops I meant nom-de-plume least you all think me uncultured.
    
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    February 15, 2019 11:18pm
Viking2

Eden Park seeks $100m bailout to keep hosting All Blacks and major events

Nothing will work until the She Beast gets sent to a retirement village.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12204259
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February 16, 2019 7:45am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And must have known more than most the extremes of debt that they were suffering when she galvanized resistance to concerts etc and the Ray Avery benefit.
  
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  February 17, 2019 7:44am
softail 1450

500 comments at 3.30 pm ,Is that a record?
Anyway you know we are having a great summer in the top of the country when I can’t honestly remember when it last rained……
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February 16, 2019 3:43pm
softail 1450

Oh as I suspected ,its entirely a waste of time commenting on yesterdays blog,,..
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MEDIAWATCH: Willie Jackson’s fiery speech that had Gallery cheering
The Daily Blog
Government only partially adheres to Waitangi Tribunal order, as tensions heat up
No Minister
Sowell says
Hompaddock
A NEW DEGREE COURSE FOR MASSEY
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Pretty (il)legal
Croaking Cassandra
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz

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