General Debate 13 February 2019

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fernglas

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February 13, 2019 8:02am
Longknives

Hot Tub Time Machine?
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February 13, 2019 8:02am
holysheet

Nothing yesterday and now we have 2. WTF?
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February 13, 2019 8:05am
- godruelf
  
  One for today and the other for tomorrow
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:09am
- Jade Warrior
  
  It’s either a feast or a famine on this blog. ?
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Example of socialist management, everything or nothing.
    Incompetence followed by nothing is more likely.
    
    Wonder who got the kick back?
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:20am
    - hullkiwi
      
      In the world of the commie chick, there would be abundance of supply for one day, the supply would be all the same we would all queue, it would run out and there will be none tomorrow!
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:44am
      - cmm
        
        Spin, spin spin.
        
        In Auckland there are not enough houses: “See how the people love our fantastic Kiwibuild houses we can’t keep up with demand!”
        
        In Wanaka nobody wants the Kiwibuild houses: “See how well we’ve done in providing Kiwibuild houses. There’s now a surplus!”
        
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        February 13, 2019 12:17pm
    - cmm
      
      When “everything” is typified by a shipping container full of shoes to showcase Soviet productivity and prosperity.
      
      Black men’s shoes. Size 9 left shoes only!
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:14pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Are DPF and Kokila talking to each other?
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:22am
DigNap15

Barry Sober says that Colmar Brunton are polling right now.
Lets hope they phone some of us.
And lets hope they publish the poll soon after its finished
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February 13, 2019 8:08am
- harvey wilson
  
  A poll taken before the full horror of the kiwi build disaster was known ? Gtf out Barry
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:10am
- G152
  
  Fake news takes a poll and after a -little- hesitation publishes it.
  Remember the last US presidential elections where Hillary was polling about 90% for election to President.
  Do NOT trust fake news or their attempts to change the scenario!
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:21am
  - Mobile Michael
    
    Given the hateful bile being published by most media that says conservatives are racist, misogynist, selfish and ignorant people will stop telling strangers that they will vote for conservative candidates because no one likes those labels.
    
    The Trump campaign instead asked more subtle questions and learnt which states where really going down to the wire and campaigned there. Clinton stuck to the percieved wisdom and campaigned in states she was not going to win. Remember how people wrote of Trump for campaigning in seats where most polls had him 5-10% behind? Turns out his campaign understood the reality.
    
    Roy Morgan were polling last week, One are this week. If all three polls are putting Labour ahead I’d suggest that National not panic. Bridges is growing as leader and Ardern and her Government looks increasingly incompetent.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:18am
- Yvette
  
  As asked on the Other General Debate. but I’d still be interested in an answer –
  
  Why did the Newshub/Reid Research poll, February 2019, display no result for Winston Peters, under “Preferred Prime Minister”? – after all, he did negotiate himself to be current Deputy Prime Minster and has been Acting Prime Minister and in the previous poll was rated under “Preferred Prime Minister”.
  
  Could he in fact be less than Simon Bridges?
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:23am
  - KiWombat
    
    When I was polled I supported Winnie as referred PM – well lets face it – he is the one actually doing the job – and also threw in a furfy that I supported NZ1st.
    
    So I know of at least one vote he got !
    
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    February 13, 2019 12:32pm
    - lilman
      
      Shit wombat,you must check your nappies,sad when cousins marry.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:54pm
      - Disillusioned_Voter
        
        yeah, but trolling poll companies is fair sport…
        
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        February 13, 2019 1:16pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You are a “naughty boy”…..
      
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      February 13, 2019 1:05pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Just encouraging him.
      
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      February 13, 2019 2:53pm
- chwaga
  
  Roy Morgan rang me two days ago and only asked whether I would vote for Labour, National or Greens. No mention of NZ First.
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:20am
sooty

JacinDUH has stuffed trade with Europe and know with China.
Maybe she should stay home at home?
Isn’t sad that she’s only good for kindy visits!
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February 13, 2019 8:09am
DigNap15

I really enjoyed watching Simon bridges speech in reply to Arderns SON.

I note there was no mention of it on the Herald or Stuff.
The video is on News Hub.

He promised that National will repeal any Capital Gains Tax and will index tax rates.
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February 13, 2019 8:10am
- sooty
  
  Says a lot about which side of the fence, they sit!
  Drain the swamp!
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:13am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Absolutely amazed that the video would have appeared on the state propaganda arm! Are you sure they didn’t try and doctor it?
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:16am
- simpleton1
  
  Simon’s speech.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=204849
  19 minutes.
  Maybe parts could not be put on TV 🙂 as a concern about the “C word” was said, then it became “sea food”
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:17am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    That was one of his best lines; he was attacking the Greens over their refusal to prioritise the Kermadec Sanctuary legislation, but said that “Marama Davidson is more concerned with the C-word than seafood.”
    
    All in all, a very good speech from Bridges, in contrast to the dull, vague speech from the PM, and Winston Peters’ rant, where he mocked Bridges’ accent, and suggested that both Bridges and Paula Bennett aren’t real Maori.
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:22am
    - Chris R
      
      KS:I am not a fan of Simon Bridges as National Leader but stress that he performed very well yesterday and can hold his head high compared to the smutty Peters and the “giggling gertie” beside him who claims to be a fair and honest PM. The sooner this ridiculous chimera of a Government is displaced the better for us all. They have one primary product…tax! This is in response to their envy sodden supporters and their hateful appraisals of the “rich pricks” they seem to believe are everywhere.
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:26am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Not including themselves in the ‘rich prick’ category, of course.
        
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        February 13, 2019 8:37am
      - lifesgood
        
        Chris R, could you please explain why you are not a fan of Bridges? I have watched him closely in parliament and think he is really quite outstanding so I am interested to know what I am missing.
        
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        February 13, 2019 1:22pm
    - godruelf
      
      KS as I noted below it wasn’t Bridges Peters referred to but Simon Upton..
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:30am
      - Tall Man
        
        Senility?
        
        He’s still a thief and a liar though.
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:39am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        He clearly meant Bridges though.
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:30am
      - godruelf
        
        And Simon even more clearly said China
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:47am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Most people would not have heard the Upton.
        
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        February 13, 2019 2:55pm
    - 3-coil
      
      KS (8:22am) – Winston calling out Bridges and Bennett as “not real” Maoris is pure hypocrisy! Winnie was the little slimeball who used to pass himself off as “Luigi” (Italian lothario?) when he was younger – he was so ashamed of his own minor maori heritage!!
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:10am
      - Sacha
        
        I do get the feeling that WP is rolling the marbles around an emptying cavity –
        
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        February 13, 2019 12:25pm
      - Lizziep
        
        I remember that. hypocrite always was always will be.
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:22pm
  - MrsAnnie
    
    The online comments of Winstons remarks were generally very negative towards both him and Jacinda. It was school yard bullying when you cant come up with a valid argument.
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:29am
    - madamezucchininz
      
      exactly Mrs Annie…..for a government that spouts kindness and empathy…makes Winston’s speech and her thinking he was so funny appalling…..he wasn’t funny at all……watch for the shaking hand…..he covers it well but it is still noticeable ….I thought Simon nailed it and nailed them to the fence…..my favourite line “Kiwibuild has more problems than houses”….how we laughed
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:40am
- madamezucchininz
  
  ….I myself thought Simon’s speech was the best in the house…..once again Ms Ed said nothing much….and as for the poisoned dwarf…..just plain nasty…..James Shaw pushing CGT….
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:18am
  - Chris R
    
    How does Shaw’s adoration for a CGT relate to his care of the environment? Which is more important to him?
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:29am
    - sooty
      
      Shaw who has achieved nothing, or got any assests in his life, wants a GCT. Well he won’t be paying it will he, unless he continues as an MP.
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:26am
    - Lance
      
      Oh that’s easy
      More tax ruins the economy
      NZ can’t afford basic services like medicine eventually
      Lots of people then die
      Less people = good for the environment
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:52am
- MrsAnnie
  
  Coverage of Bridges is starting to match the MSM coverage of Trump- and Bridges is far from being Trump.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:22am
  - MickMac
    
    It always was going to go this way, look at the partiality of Tova O’brien and others.
    
    They want to shape the news not report it and it fits in with the policy at top level in cahoots with Labour & Greens to deliberately poison the environment for Bridges in a death by a 1000 cuts.
    
    Trump for all his faults is able to communicate to his base and independents via Twitter and Fox.
    
    Bridges has no lifeline but our biased MSM and red radio.
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:07am
    - sooty
      
      He could twitter and bypass the media!
      How they would howl at that!
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:16pm
- godruelf
  
  Listened to Winston’s speech as well lots reported on his mocking of Simon’s accent. Not so much on on the befuddled old fool telling us that Paula Bennett and Simon Upton both found out they were Maori when they were in Parliament. How long has Upton been gone?
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:24am
- regb
  
  Media focussed on Winnies silliness. Simon has to back himself. He had some good oneliners. Noticed JC and WP looked shocked. Loved how he linked WP to Capital Gains Tax.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:54am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    I wonder if Winston is going to be forced to support Capital Gains Tax as part of his support agreement
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:50am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Hopefully he does and that will kill the remaining 2.9%. Remember at least some of his supporters will be hit be the CGT on shares and many will have kid who own SMEs who will hit by the CGT when they sell their SME.
      As I understand the TWG are spilt on the CGT model with Cullen taking the hardest line.
      
      Hope this is right and the COL go with his recommendations.
      
      IMHO they don’t realise the numbers of people who will be opposed some who wont even be hit by the CGT will oppose it on philosophical grounds and some millennials will oppose it on what happens to them if they are successful in the future and get clobbered by CGT when they build up a financial asset and 33% get stolen off them by the STATE.
      
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      February 13, 2019 1:57pm
- KevOB
  
  I wasn’t expecting her speech yesterday, interrupting my work for QT. Ardern got 30 secs before I revolted.
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:46am
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KB where sheep may safely bleat as per above!
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February 13, 2019 8:13am
- sooty
  
  Because stephie has only tried shagging goats!
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:14am
- secondcumming
  
  You happy in your relationsheep stephie?
  
  Asking for a fiend….
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:20am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Who’s the fiend :).
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:03am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ah that’d be me 🙂
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:40am
      - Lizziep
        
        and me
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:03am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Is this the fiend queue?
        
        Asking for a friend
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:23am
- kowtow
  
  If that’s your opinion then why bother here , other than being cunty troll that you are.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:29am
- Simon
  
  Labo fluffers shouldnt go on about sheep.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:32am
- pentwig
  
  stoopidthing
  that being your case, perhaps you should reconsider on why you are here?
  i am sure there would be a blog fit for purpose for a self confessed pervert and goat shagger!
  and a brainless alt leftie!
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:36am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Are you here to harass Dr Wassilieff today Stephieboy? Should the law enable for you to be arrested for that?
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:39am
- RRM
  
  Daily reminder that Pedoboy likes them young.
  
  recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/12/general_debate_3_december_2015.html/comment-page-3#comment-1628463
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:48am
  - Longknives
    
    Cut the poor guy some slack! He explains everything in this interview-
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LDaIM88U0
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:19am
    - Tall Man
      
      Can’t we just cut the slack?
      
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      February 13, 2019 1:08pm
Chris2

Anyone notice the TV3 Tova O’Brien news show at 6pm Monday night when discussing the latest poll results?

Images of Bridges were all unflattering, licking ice-cream off his face and an image of his eyes closed at Waitangi giving the appearance he was asleep. Whilst images of Adern were of her laughing and smiling as she dished up a barbeque at Waitangi that someone else had cooked.

You can’t tell me TV3 are not intentionally choosing to use unflattering imagery of Bridges whilst only showing positive images of Adern.

The same happened the night before on the TV3 news when they dug out a 25 year-old clip of Bridges when he was a teenage schooboy talking about gay marriage.

And then last night they screened an item from Parliament where Winston Peters had mocked Bridges pronunciation of the word China. Why did TV3 consider it newsworthy to screen that, if not to further their active attempts to belittle Bridges?

Three nights in a row TV3 have attacked Bridges on prime time TV. What can we expect tonight?

There is not even a semblance of impartiality with TV3 and Tova O’Brien. They love to hold everyone else to account but its time now that TV3 and O’Brien were made to explain their own proven political bias.
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February 13, 2019 8:17am
- Keeping Stock
  
  O’Brien has made it clear that she’s gunning for Bridges to be replaced as National Party leader. It started with some vitriolic, over the top comments on the expenses leak last year, continued with the JLR clusterf*ck, and has ramped up this week as Chris2 notes.
  
  O’Brien has lost any sense of objectivity, and her bosses at Newshub need to tell her to pull her head in or their few remaining advertisers will vote with their budgets.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:25am
  - DigNap15
    
    That’s a good point.
    If some of their advertisers told them to be more friendly towards National or they will pull their ads.
    They would have to do it.
    No money, no honey!
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:32am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      It’s not a matter of being “more friendly towards National” DigiNap, but there should at least be an attempt at balance.
      
      Take Sunday night for example; they slagged off Bridges for attending Big Gay Out on the basis of a comment he had made about homosexuality when he was 17. However there was no mention that at age 17, Jacinda Ardern was still a practising Mormon; she only left the church in her early 20’s.
      
      It used to be subtle bias, but now there is no pretence at subtlety. Newshub’s political journos seem to have decided that Simon Bridges is not fit to be the leader of the National Party, and they will do whatever it takes to have him replaced.
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:47am
      - Inandout
        
        KS, it seems Jacinda really let her hair down from her early 20s when she escaped the religious constraints. That nickname……
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:55am
      - tf78
        
        KS, I think the reason for the downer on Simon is that they actually see him as a real threat, otherwise they would just ignore him.
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:07am
      - KevOB
        
        There aim is too stir to create “news”. This is going to be JLR year too. The GFC is beginning to concern Ardern as she has hinted about it.
        A year the COL will roast. The “journos” will be in a tizz. Forget news feel those column inches.
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:52am
    - Tall Man
      
      I haven’t looked at either channel for many years now as they are not a news channel at all.
      
      I don’t want them pro either party, just honest and neutral.
      
      If Simon Bridges fucks up, let’s hear about it. When the government fucks up and blatantly lies, a daily occurrence, let’s hear about it.
      
      And FFS, “news” presenters and so called journos are not and never will be “celebrities”.
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:53am
      - tf78
        
        Jacinda thinks she is a celebrity (well she’s brainless enough) so it starts from the top.
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:09am
    - Miritu
      
      The recent movie “Hoaxed” sheds some light on just how biased the media are in US, but its the same here, if not worse.
      http://hoaxedmovie.com
      well worth the 2 hours and USD10
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:11am
  - Chris R
    
    KS: The issue is that this Tova woman won’t be alone in her pursuit. I do not watch TV3 News (any TV news actually!) but understand throughout John Key’s time they constantly tried to gun him down with snide garbage while attempting to nobble him over trivialities.
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:33am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      It’s ramped up considerably from the anti-Key rhetoric Chris. Her coverage of the expenses leak was almost visceral in its nastiness, and that continued on when the Ross saga broke. I can only presume that she was being fed a very biased view of Bridges by Ross, for whom she has gone into bat; quite why, I don’t know.
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:37am
      - Monique Watson
        
        Yeah right.
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:04am
      - marcw
        
        The simple answer KS is they see Simon Bridges as the real threat to Ardern’s COL – as he is. O’Brien is the puppet, and behind her is a woman named Pip, a NewsHub producer. They absolutely know that Labour is not fit for purpose, is likely to crash and burn, and in the process the incompetence of its leaders will be there for all to see.
        
        Their only hope is to have a progrom, with an agenda that will have done any socialist dictator proud.
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:49am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Yes; Pip Keene, formerly the producer for Campbell Live, and a hardcore leftie. I thought she left Newshub though, and followed Campbell to RNZ.
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:36am
      - Liberty
        
        Ross has a few unexplained notches on his belt.
        For for some reason the lefty media have only persecuted one.
        Why is that ?
        Might have to read between the lines.
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:43am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Must be some juicy pillow talk she’s acting on KS.
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:40am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      You may very well think that, but I couldn’t possibly comment.
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:53am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        The way he has apparently treated women, he is lucky that any woman stands up for him.
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:30am
      - toby1845
        
        Sorry Rachel. Accidentally down ticked you.
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:08am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Time to sell TV2 to Fox News?
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:15am
    - Liberty
      
      Time to sell Radio NZ, TV1 TV2
      Close down NZ on air which will stop the state subsidy of TV3
      Let the pinkos sing for their supper.
      Instead of sucking of the state tit.
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:52am
      - KH
        
        I think Radio New Zealand, National Programme is great. Don’t see it as lefty. The national programme actually treats news as interesting, instead of just a commodity to be dished out.
        Heaps of painful maori correctness of course, but I can cope with that.
        It’s one of the few local media places where you can end up knowing more than you did before.
        
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        February 13, 2019 12:45pm
      - Liberty
        
        KH
        Watching TV1 and listening to National radio
        Is nauseating. As one informed commentator once said TV1 is brain dead and that was a few years ago and nothing has changed.
        The news team is infested with pinkoes
        While news readers prances around the stage as if they have piles.
        There presentation is more of a social lecture than informing the viewer of the news.
        National radio is no better.
        Fortunately Col under Dear Leader is heading for oblivion next year. Because
        there agenda is very much like living under George Orwells “1984”
        
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        February 13, 2019 5:04pm
  - srylands
    
    I think that wishing for an impartial media is a lost cause. National will need a strategy for direct communication. Let’s face it. With a couple of exceptions, journalists are both biased and totally useless. And in the case of RNZ, also riddled with suffocating correctness.
    
    I don’t have a TV. And I removed the antenna from the car…
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:22am
    - Happychappy
      
      It is good to see that Judith Collins made a strong point on RNZ Checkpoint yesterday telling them that National will not be like Labour in chopping and changing their Leader,she also that at the present time is not interested in becoming National Leader and fully supports Simon Bridges.
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:38am
      - Disillusioned_Voter
        
        Yeah, but the same thing has been said by virtually every contender before rolling their leader since like, forever…
        
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        February 13, 2019 1:32pm
    - MH
      
      ah, it’s the tenor you didn’t like.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:57pm
  - G152
    
    She is under orders.
    Almost every word from her has been written by the ‘backroom’ and she regurgitates what is on the teleprompter
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:49am
    - Sacha
      
      Maybe, but I don’t get a power-seeking vibe from her anyway, and I’m usually a fairly good bull-shit detector.
      She looks as though she is having quite a good time in her present role – why would she want to mix it with the MSM and Labour? – and has nothing to prove.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:33pm
  - MickMac
    
    I’ve already turned off from TV3 news.
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:09am
    - Lance
      
      The sad thing is TV3 is actually better than TV1
      TV1 is little more than a far left propaganda outlet.
      The thing that pisses me off the most is they point blank refuse to report any of RocketLabs successful launches while running stories from every other rocket launch from around the globe.
      If you need to urgently puke up your cornflakes, just turn on Breakfast TV, it will only take seconds to work.
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:06am
  - peterwn
    
    So is SB on ‘Whaleoil” (probably Simon Lusk stuff but Simon L prefers to keep his head down than be by-lined himself). Two attack articles against Simon Bridges today, the latter one being that Winston ‘smells blood’.
    Seems to be the only logical reason for Winston’s nasty outburst against Simon Bridges yesterday – Winston predicted National would chew through two leaders before 2020 and does not want to risk looking an idiot.
    Hope this is the topic of Paula’s Q3 today – Jacinda’s attitude on Winston’s nasty speech especially given her body language during it. But then Q3 is so wide that preparing for all likely topics would be beyond Jacinda’s capabilities. I doubt Jacinda would find Q2 much fun either. A short notice kindergarten visit?
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:50am
  - lifesgood
    
    How well does Tova know JLR, if you get me drift?
    
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    February 13, 2019 1:26pm
- kowtow
  
  After his Orewa speech the MSM went feral on Brash constantly showing him in the most unflattering light . Cunts controlling the message.
  
  Is it any wonder so many low intelligence voters are swayed by these tactics.
  
  The universal franchise is a very dangerous thing.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:32am
  - Inandout
    
    kowtow, that was when most people read the papers, hell I even had it delivered. Boy, times have changed so much that buying a paper is now a novelty.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:59am
    - kowtow
      
      Radio , RNZ and the TV media . Very much to the fore on that.
      
      It’s the mental imagery they fought to convey . Him awkwardly crossing a plank bridge and getting into a small vehicle . Radio , constantly knocking his use of the word ‘mainstream”
      
      Wallace Chapperson has been keeping it up just recently on his afternoon show on RNZ.
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:48am
      - Jack5
        
        Red Radio’s afternoon Panel has deteriorated under Wallace Chapperson.
        
        He’s perpetually puzzled by everyday facts, and gosh, boringly Leftish.
        
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        February 13, 2019 12:12pm
  - KevOB
    
    I would second a repeal. A limit by age and proven able contribution to society is in mind.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:58am
- Simon
  
  TV3? Geez thought that had folded years ago.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    Deserves to.
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:55am
- RiP NZ
  
  Totally agree Chris2
  Any remote relationship Newshub had to truth and impartiality was cast out yesterday.
  Bridges was the best in the house, the pathetic reporting was so biased they make CNN fair and balanced
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:40am
- pentwig
  
  Tova is still in love with Ross, mutant toes and all.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:41am
  - Inandout
    
    Maybe Ross inherited a ‘butcher’s hook’.
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:00am
  - MickMac
    
    OH, was she one of his alleged bits on the side then?
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:10am
    - toby1845
      
      Yes
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:14am
- Harkman
  
  The poll was a red herring, no way are the Labour idiots way more popular than media darling Cindy. The margin of error in that poll was +3%, take 3 off Labour, add 3 to Cindy and 3 to National and everyone is locked on 44%. The irony is that Labour is being rewarded for the hot summer weather when they want it to stop, but when it gets colder their lead will evaporate.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:51am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    Take it all with a grain of salt but heard yesterday Nationals internal polling was very strong and out of sink with Newshub- as with pre election Hillary polling, it is used to sway perception.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:11am
  - Chris2
    
    The usual sample size is 1000 people. So 416 supported National and 475 supported Labour. A difference of 59 people.
    
    The media are going crazy over the opinion of just 59 New Zealanders as justification for its all-out campaign to get rid of Bridges.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:16am
    - Tall Man
      
      But how many had “no opinion”?
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:42am
  - toby1845
    
    I am now convinced that the NewsHub poll was a political hit job on National. The timing of the release – the day before Parliament resumed – is the clue.
    
    There has also been a huge increase in the number of Labour attack trolls on Natuonal’s Facebook postings. By my estimate they have increased four-fold.
    
    It is quite clear that Labour and the media are working closely together. National needs to target all meetings between Ministers, ministerial staff members, and anyone even remotely involved in the media.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:21am
- madamezucchininz
  
  ….my thoughts on this are …..if they are going to dig up footage of SB at seventeen…..then the playing field should be level and they should dig up the YouTube video of Ms Ed….shouting “comrades” fifteen times in seven minutes…..I am convinced the nation would be shocked to the core….then watch the fairy dust fall off and expose the turd …..
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:52am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes!
    As he goes away to Youtube to find it!
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:56am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
      
      Read the comments below the video.
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:43am
  - tf78
    
    madamezucchininz – what fun National could have using that video and Cossack dancers in their election campaign – I bet TV wouldn’t screen it.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      Hateful to Cossacks….
      
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      February 13, 2019 1:55pm
- Jules99
  
  I think the children are in charge of the playground. That’s when you need good managers.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:58am
  - tf78
    
    Jules, that’s when you bring back corporal punishment.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:22am
- Pascal
  
  I am very tempted to refer any of these biased reports to the Broadcaster + the Broadcasting Standards Authority for breach of Standard 8 or perhaps even Standard 11. They are not balanced or fair and if they won’t correct their behaviour, I’m tempted to keep them answering complaints until they do.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:52am
  - Peter S
    
    Do it.
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:28am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Yes please
    
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    February 13, 2019 12:03pm
  - madamezucchininz
    
    ….I am thinking we need a posse of complaints to the Broadcasting Standards Authority…for the breach of Standard 8…..the MSM’s standards have so dramatically declined that it now comes under the heading of Fake News….
    
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    February 13, 2019 6:34pm
- oldgolfer
  
  It might be time it, and others, were called out, and in a way they will not like.
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:32am
wiseowl

Nash on with Hosking .
Says orchardists are making a fortune.
Well the corporates might be but most growers are struggling by as usual and the amount of compliance costs and the minimum wage increases are making it bloody hard.
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February 13, 2019 8:18am
- BananaLlama
  
  If it’s bad now just wait until you get hit with a capital gains tax. You might think in another 10-20 years you could sell up and move on debt free. Nope. Take another 15% hit. Probably 30% by then.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:41am
  - tf78
    
    Did you see Auckland Council are preparing to sell some of their (our) best waterfront assets to avoid being hit with a $220m tax bill due to new Govt legislation – so what exactly do they know that we don’t. That gives me the runs.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:25am
- redeye
  
  I’d guarantee none of them are on a income close to Nash’s.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:56am
  - Longknives
    
    Shouldn’t Nash be strutting his stuff and throwing his weight around at the Gym?
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:21am
- KevOB
  
  If orchardists make a fortune one year they lose it to rain and hail the next.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:00pm
Paulus

Can anybody enlighten me please ?
What is it between Newshub’s Tova O’brien and her obviously paranoid hate of Simon Bridges.
Is is related to her earlier, and probably current, very personal dealings with Jamie Ross.
We are led to believe that she has copies of all Ross’s emails (as does Peters of course).
Is it the old idiom that attack is better than defence?
Has she something to hide ?
Will it emerge in court should the Police take action against one of Ross’s paramours.
There is a suggestion that there are other media personnel in Parliament who have much to keep quiet over in the hope it will blow over – it won’t if O’Brien retains her current vitriol.
Very sad case of meeism.
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February 13, 2019 8:22am
- alex Masterley
  
  I have been wondering who JLR bonked from the Press Gallery.
  I am starting to think with all the noise that Ms O’Brien is making that she may have been the one who engaged with JLR, so to speak.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:31am
  - DigNap15
    
    How could any woman (aside from COL Mps) stoop so low as to have an affair with JLR.
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:55am
    - kowtow
      
      Could it have anything to do with the size of his “personality”…….
      
      …….on a serious note , if politicians are banging reporters , AND , the reporter is using the relationship to promote themselves AND /OR vice versa that is a story in the public interest and does not deserve to be off limits.
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:00am
      - MickMac
        
        Err Andrea Vance and Puff Hair???
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:14am
    - pentwig
      
      DN15
      Perhaps one with an odd foot fetish?
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:30am
      - Happychappy
        
        There was many a rumour of Lees- Galloway and the stenographers in Parliament so their will more MP’s than JLR participating, also what a coincidence that they both have Lee in their surnames.
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:09am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And defend him now so publicly. Simon no doubt knows the truth, very gentlemanly of him to keep his composure.
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:34am
Ross12

Why are to the leftie journalists/commentators doing their best to get rid of Simon Bridges (eg. Bryce Edwards piece the other day) on the one hand but on the other, they crow about his low polling ? If they think he is so hopeless would it not better to “leave” him where he is so the PM is “protected”.
Or is the crowing indicating they think they are succeeding?
I really do not understand where they are coming from.
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February 13, 2019 8:25am
- kowtow
  
  They like scalps . Ghouls of the lowest order .
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed; they are all practitioners of the old media mantra – if it bleeds, it leads!
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:49am
- Simon
  
  Attempt to destabilize National and attack Bridges so the narrative is that Brides isnt a PM in waiting.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:44am
Nukuleka

Winston’s ad hominem attack on Simon Bridges in parliament yesterday was the typically unpleasant stuff we expect from him but it was indeed interesting to see how little ‘kindness’ was on show from Jacinda Ardern who took particular delight in Winston’s ridiculing Bridge’s accent with his ‘Choina’ dig. Seems that Ms Ardern is pretty selective with the fairy dust she sprinkles around.

Hypocrite.
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February 13, 2019 8:25am
- kowtow
  
  How did the Speaker deal with that particular instance of bullying. It was a low blow. A cheap shot.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:35am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    His silence was deafening. And the irony in that is that Mallard has instituted an inquiry into bullying in Parliament!
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:49am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Yes. Imagine if someone mocked Peters on his slurring speech and moments of cognitive impairment in the House. “Is it the booze or dementia Winston?”
      
      I’m sure the corrupt speaker would have something to say then.
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:56am
      - godruelf
        
        The poisoned dwarf also had a cheap shot at Nick Smith “And I don’t know what Nick Smith’s condition is, but I bet it’s difficult to pronounce—shaking his head and whingeing over there like he always does”.
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:03am
    - cmm
      
      Mallard is 100% beholden to Winnie.
      
      With the merest snap of his fingers Winnie can dump Labour in opposition and Mallard will be off his big chair.
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:46am
  - MickMac
    
    Mallard is a Liar too…
    
    I see a pattern building here..
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:16am
  - tf78
    
    It was during a screech not done during question time so I don’t think the speaker interferes so much.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:53am
- Gravelroad
  
  So our nice and kind PM is not above doing a little verbal bullying herself – learning at the feet of the master, Peters.
  All the heartfelt comments about mental health and concerned faces are just window dressing then, Ms Ardern?
  Just as well not too many of the sisterhood watch Parliament.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:38am
- RF
  
  The poison dwarf is nasty piece of work when he makes fun of Bridges speech.
  
  This is pot calling kettle black. The idiot has rubber lips as he mumbles and slurs his speech making it virtually impossible to understand.
  
  I am waiting patiently for him to depart.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:46am
  - Niz
    
    I still think Bridges should shut the door on Winston now and make it clear that there will be no National coalition with Winston in it.
    Winston is a cnut, continually gives Bridges and National shit, and clearly wants more power thsn his few meagre votes would warrant.
    
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    February 13, 2019 12:43pm
- MickMac
  
  Jacinda Adhern is a Liar.
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’ve heard that. Was it steffy that convinced you?
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:01pm
- KevOB
  
  Who has the bigger speech impairment?
  Who has the greater intellect?
  Who runs on feelings rather than reason?
  Who was selected by old Mr 7%?
  
  Comparisons are odoriferous.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:05pm
DigNap15

Yes, as the guy from Business NZ said on Hoskings this morning.
You cannot keep putting wages up and expect your export markets to keep paying the higher prices.
At some stage they will just say
F NZ produce, its too dear.
Then we will have no export income
the same applies to Tourism.
We are already known as having high prices for beer and coffee.

Its better to reduce our costs – housing, groceries, consumer items, tax so that we all have more money to spend.
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February 13, 2019 8:28am
- septic skeptic
  
  It’s not just export though. You can’t expect to get more real term income doing the same job for 20 odd years. Unless some other sectors of the economy has increased productivity and their wealth can be redistributed. I heard I guy on the radio bemoaning the fact that driving a truck now paid no more in real terms than 20 years ago. Why would it? Unless you drive a bigger or faster truck.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:02am
  - Sacha
    
    ss: have you read this?
    :https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/16-01-2019/transport-sectors-dirty-little-secret-truckers-breaking-the-law-to-survive/?fbclid=IwAR3IyZAepwnQtSxdhmd5viO4DvJ9ExFMqChgBmWm7_gFIk8ozSIo68HidLU
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:32am
- Tall Man
  
  Without a massive increase in productivity nothing will improve as we are just trying to cut the same dollar into more pieces.
  
  One aspect of productivity increase is education and this government is determined to reduce that as well.
  
  labour does not and cannot support business. It is anathema to them. As an example, when H&S started to ramp up during h1’s reign of terror, insurance companies brought in a policy that would cover the fines imposed, and they were substantial, if a company was found guily of a breach.
  
  H1 did not like this so they changed the law to stop the fine being insured as she wanted a company to really suffer. Remember, many of these breaches were minor in may cases. Luckily, the courts saw what sshe was up to and so massively reduced the fines but increased the “awards” made which insurers were still able to cover.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    H and S every bit as finnickedy and pointless under the blue mob.
    Two cheeks of the same arse.
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:52am
    - Tall Man
      
      I can’t and won’t argue against that however, I don’t think National hates business as much as labour does, after all they are doers and labour are just pathetic talkers.
      
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      February 13, 2019 2:03pm
- Niz
  
  Export you say. Who to?
  China? Our new best mates? Not.
  Europe? What did we hear just recently? Looking a bit grim there isn’t it?
  The USA? They’re whacking tariffs onto us.
  We seem to be making things hard for ourselves.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:48pm
  - Tall Man
    
    We…her….you know ardern the liar.
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:05pm
Happychappy

Maybe it is time for National to part ways with Newshub and go full out with the others, no press with Newshub would be better than the character assassinations that keep getting produced on Simon and others. You have to make a stand at some point so do it early to force a solution.
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February 13, 2019 8:32am
- DigNap15
  
  Good idea, but they’d also have to do it with TVNZ as well.
  Just stick to Mike Hoskings and Larry Williams
  F the rest!
  But when they get back in sell them all to Fox news for $10.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:53am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Sean Plunket is on Magic FM in the afternoons, and has been good value so far. Worth a listen.
    
    https://www.magic.co.nz/home/frequencies.html
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:03am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Peter Williams in the morning is a well spoken presenter. He makes intelligent and balanced comments on issues although hotel booking difficulties he encountered are a it of a bore when NZ Ltd is circling the drain
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:36am
    - Tall Man
      
      Or this
      
      https://www.magic.co.nz/home.player.talk.html
      
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      February 13, 2019 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

This is just soooo dreadful it made me cry. And when I showed my partner this tweet last night, he was horrified as much as me. As a form of protest we decided rather than getting a Chinese we’d get KFC instead.

https://twitter.com/moodysally1/status/1094749215480107009
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February 13, 2019 8:33am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Yeah the Chinese are interesting. Have an air of condescending superiority towards western culture but perpetuate this sort of shit (and environmental pillage on a grand scale) whilst conveniently forgetting that apart from gunpowder, all the technological advances they enjoy have been thanks to the west all the while being hung up on superstition and overriding concepts of luck and good fortune. Some culture.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:47am
  - septic skeptic
    
    OK, let’s play “what did the Romans ever do for us? Apart from the aqueduct!” Apart from gunpowder:
    
    Paper making
    Moveable type printing
    Compass
    Alchohol
    Mechanical clock
    Tea production
    Silk
    Umbrella
    Acupuncture
    Iron smelting
    Porcelain
    Earthquake detector
    Rocket
    Bronze
    Kite
    Seed drill
    Row crop farming
    Toothbrush
    Paper money
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:17am
    - MH
      
      so why did they go to the dark side of the Moon?
      
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      February 13, 2019 1:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The beat……
        
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        February 13, 2019 2:07pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not true, they have done a lot more clever stuff than just gunpowder.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:24am
  - Jack5
    
    Chinese civilisation 2000 years ago was very innovative.
    
    Apart from well known inventions like paper, gunpowder, the compass, and movable type printing they, for example, 1800 years ago had a city lit by natural gas reticulated in bamboo piping.
    
    From Wikipedia, other Chinese inventions long ago:
    
    “Among the engineering accomplishments of early China were matches, dry docks, the double-action piston pump, cast iron, the iron plough, the horse collar, the multi-tube seed drill, the wheelbarrow, the suspension bridge, the parachute, natural gas as fuel, the raised-relief map, the propeller, the sluice gate, and the pound lock [the lock system used later in canals and dry docks].
    
    Then there was stagnation, and rule by the Mongolians and Manchu – horsemen from the outer borders.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Then there was stagnation, and rule by the Mongolians and Manchu – horsemen from the outer borders.”
      
      Much like our current government?
      
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      February 13, 2019 2:08pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s not as if we keep battery chickens in the lap of luxury ……….
  
  Just sayin’.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:56am
Im Right

Unfortunatly with NZ1st well under the 5% threashold watch out for him coming out with outrageous allegations against National party and/or national MPs, allegations that he will insist he has ‘proof’ or a ‘good source’, the MSM will print it and never press him for actual proof (they never do)….remember the Huka Lodge being sold to the Chinese when the owners insisted it’s not even for sale, no proof insisted by MSM just his word. He is a dangerous old man and one who needs a bump in the polls and for him to distance the party from Labours failures on delivery, spread a false accusation (in the house, never repeated outside the house) is his MO.

Tick… Tock
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February 13, 2019 8:37am
- srylands
  
  IIRC the “huka lodge” that was being sold was an entirely different huka lodge in a different location. Like a backpackers.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:49am
  - 3-coil
    
    srylands: Winstone was actually confusing the establishment “Hooker Lodge” (where he’d been entertained by any number of young Asian ladies) when he made that claim – his famous speech impediment (ie drunken slurring) led the gullible Peters-Repeaters media hacks astray.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:58am
- Paulus
  
  But I am sure that he has an agreement (still secret) with the lazy Princess to have a Labour Electorate seat given to his party – so Peters does not care a stuff for anybody – why should he ?
  
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  February 13, 2019 1:49pm
Humble Capitalist

Imagine if someone in the house attacked her on her poverdee and absoludly
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February 13, 2019 8:42am
- niggly
  
  Not hard to imagine that:
  
  Speaker Mallard would put on stern, angry face and tell the member to leave!
  
  Labour male MP’s will strut around to see who will be the loudest condemning said Opposition MP!
  
  Greens and Labour female MP’s will be interviewed by all Left leaning MSM and websites, highlighting “National chauvinism”!
  
  TV newsreaders first cry and then get angry that their beloved leader has been mocked!
  
  Then two days later Jacinda speaks to kindergarten or University audience, launching another “anti-bullying” message to the cheers of the “kids”!
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:53am
SGA

I came across a book in second hand shop – “The Family and Marriage in Britian”. The blurb at the back – “Pulpits, rostrums, and the more deeply entrenched batteries of press and radio still resound with lamentations about the decay of family life in Britiain. Our modern society, it is said, is a condition of moral decline. Immorality, divorce, delinquency stalk the land…”
Goodness, I thought, just what I read on Kiwiblog regularly.
Had a closer look – first published in 1962 – plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose 🙂
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February 13, 2019 8:43am
srylands

I’ve been watching some clips of Paul Keating in question time from the 80s and 90s. Just brilliant. There is nobody in either the Australian or New Zealand parliaments today that would get close to him.

Start at 2mins

https://youtu.be/R5DZwsTjsRY
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February 13, 2019 8:44am
secondcumming

My missus reckons I talk dirtier when we’re in traffic than I do during sex.
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February 13, 2019 8:46am
- SGA
  
  Even on a quick trip to the dairy?
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    Even moving the car to wash it… 🙂
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:09am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Is that a euphemism? :).
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:16am
    - sooty
      
      How do you have car sex and drive at the same time?
      Asking for a friend!
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:30pm
      - SGA
        
        I knew someone who gave her boyfriend a blowjob while he was driving on the freeway. Does that count?
        
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        February 13, 2019 1:34pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Doing the “lange” you mean…..
        
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        February 13, 2019 2:10pm
wreck1080

DPF says…

“And Labour are saying they will exempt the so called family home, which means again it will have almost zero impact on house prices.”

KPMG says…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110541351/capital-gains-tax-could-blow-up-kiwi-tax-system

It could also shake confidence in the housing market, which could affect buying behaviour and alter the demand for bank lending.

The popular line among commenters is that a CGT will have zero impact on house prices because australia has a CGT and high housing prices.

Some kiwibloggers even stated house prices will increase due to a CGT (klevakiwi).
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February 13, 2019 8:47am
- fernglas
  
  New Zealanders will not like paying tax on capital gains. So they will invest in areas where capital gains are not taxed. Capital gains on the family home will not be taxed. Therefore people will invest in family homes. From which it follows that the price of family homes will rise. That will be at the expense of, for example, Kiwisaver, where the gains are easily identifiable and easily taxed. So retirement savings will reduce. It’s obvious.
  If there is to be a CGT, then, as with GST, it should be across the board if it is to be fair. But it won’t be, because to tax the increase in value of the family home would be political suicide.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:57am
  - wreck1080
    
    I agree that it should be across the board.
    
    However, overall demand will drop as people will not want to own more than one house.
    
    There are big tax advantages in investing in multiple properties, so long as your primary ‘reason’ is for income not growth. This advantage will be gone if a CGT is introduced, and demand will likely drop.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      I will own a house and my wife will own a house. Different names and not rented. Not a holiday home but a residence closer to her office.
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:11am
      - wreck1080
        
        And the kids can own one each too 🙂
        
        Although, the government doesn’t allow you to do this for welfare payments, so I would think they’ll have you covered.
        
        Maybe you could get a divorce and live separately to get around the rules? A CGT could trigger a mass wave of breakups ha ha.
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:15am
      - sooty
        
        Don’t forget it’s Sullen Cullens,
        ” Dead Granny Tax “
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:36am
    - KevOB
      
      I don’t agree to a CGT at all.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:08pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There is a lot of money invested in rental properties. Investors are competing with people buying their own homes. Anything that discourages investment in residential property will mean lower prices, even if most properties are excluded.
  
  The problem with a CGT is that it equally discourages investment in the share market. People have to put their money somewhere. So they may just stick with property.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:20am
  - septic skeptic
    
    The even bigger (much bigger IMO) problem is that it discourages setting up your own business.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:28am
  - wreck1080
    
    This will be interesting, we have the PIE structure, and direct share investment.
    
    The IRD has never been able to figure out the best way to tax sharemarket profits. Part of the reason that made it difficult is the lack of a CGT in the first instance.
    
    They couldn’t get their head around the fact that people could make money by investing in something but pay no tax on returns… Like property!
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:31am
    - KevOB
      
      Taxing sharemarket profits means allowing share market losses. Traders are already taxed but not casual investors.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:10pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Profits are already taxed. If share prices go up, that is either due to retained profits already taxed or expected future profits that will be taxed. Putting an extra tax directly on the share price increase is double taxation of the same gain.
      
      This is very basic financial literacy and for the government to suggest otherwise is either ignorance or deceit.
      
      Land is a completely different case. If they want to tax land directly I would fully support that.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:32pm
      - KevOB
        
        Try collecting a tax from a non-income producing asset. Land Tax has already been scrapped in NZ for that reason.
        
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        February 13, 2019 5:13pm
- noskire
  
  House prices will increase with a CGT, but the housing market should not be used as a barometer for the economy.
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:09am
- Peter S
  
  Labour are going to be really exposed on CGT if National just expose the lie about the family home being exempt.
  All it needs is for National to keep hammering the fact that the family home is only exempt till the owner(s) die, then it is no longer the family home of those inheriting, so will be taxed.
  That message needs to get into the heads of everyone that owns a home but has been under the impression that the tax is only aimed at property investors.
  Get Labour on the defensive over that point and nobody will hear any of the arguments in favour and it just becomes a millstone round their necks.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:20pm
Cobolt24

Auckland housing values continue to drop.

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98090/average-housing-values-auckland-are-lower-they-were-12-months-ago-says-qv-value
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February 13, 2019 8:51am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner was saying he’d heard that things had become so tight in some parts of Auckland that Chinese homeowners had given away their tennis courts for people to build on.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:05am
  - wreck1080
    
    House prices in auckland started flattening the day they announced that chinese would need to register for an IRD number.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:12am
    - Tall Man
      
      Which shows it was a perception not a reality that Chinese were “buying New Zealand”.
      
      Even the stats at the time showed that it was a lie and having been through a couple of house purchases lately with clients I can assure you that the regs are as soft as butter so any Chinese or martians that want to buy in NZ can just keep on keeping on….
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:37am
      - Jack5
        
        Come in Hugh … is this correct?
        
        China has cracked down on outflow of cash from China, and this is hitting home prices around the Pacific and beyond.
        
        You can read the first two paragraphs of this Bloomberg report before it disappears behind the paywall. But it gives you the drift.
        
        But watch the video. Then, if you wait, a second, excellent video pops up, and it’s about China’s problems with its currency. It reports:
        
        Last year was the first China had its first current account deficit, and a fiscal deficit of 10 per cent of GDP. Chinese corporates have borrowed a trillion US dollars in world markets .. things look grim for China.
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-26/world-s-biggest-real-estate-buyers-are-suddenly-short-on-cash
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:25am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Jack5 … Yes … I suspect the current contraction in China is way more severe than the authorities there would like us to know.
        
        China’s small businesses forced to cut back on staff just to survive as economic mood sours amid trade war … South China Morning Post
        
        https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2185051/chinas-small-businesses-forced-cut-back-staff-just-survive
        
        • President Xi Jinping warned in January about a need to pay particular attention to the risks to social stability during the current economic slowdown
        
        • China’s mood had changed very quickly from a rapid expansion of consumer spending last year to a cautious ‘consumption downgrade’
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        China has actually been closing for business for the last decade | Business Insider
        
        https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-financial-crisis-economic-stimulus-closed-the-economy-2019-2?r=US&IR=T
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        Workers’ Activism Rises as China’s Economy Slows. Xi Aims to Rein Them In. – The New York Times
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/world/asia/china-workers-protests.html
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        February 13, 2019 11:57am
    - tf78
      
      Don’t forget the anti-money laundering bill which has really slowed the market down.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:22pm
  - MH
    
    and the net result ?
    
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    February 13, 2019 1:13pm
- secondcumming
  
  As an aside, according to the ‘Fun Facts’ site, the Chinese smoke *1.7 Trillion* cigarettes a year!!
  
  Having dined recently at The Grand Harbor, I can well fucking believe it.
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner took me there last year for Valentines Day. They do a fab
    Peaking Duck but you have to order it ahead when you make the booking.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:22am
    - Jack5
      
      Ah the Peaking Duck. And the One Tons, the Spring Trolls, and the Chow Miners … And it’s Valentine’s Day again tomorrow! ?
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:07pm
      - kowtow
        
        Nawty yew.
        
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        February 13, 2019 3:47pm
Harkman

I just heard Blondie, Jake Tame and some other Blondie gushing over Ocasio Cortez. Cortez doesn’t have a clue what she is talking about. Notice they don’t play clips of the Conservative comedian lampooning her late last year.
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February 13, 2019 8:55am
- Ross12
  
  Even Pelosi is distancing herself from Cortez.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:12am
Keeping Stock

Gerry Brownlee is relatively new to Twitter, but he’s hit it out of the park this morning:

Gerry Brownlee
‏@GerryBrownleeMP

Day 1 of select committees for 2019, @grantrobertson1 due to appear to explain Wellbeing Budget details and Labour members use Standing Orders to collapse/cancel the Committee. Is it bad management or deliberate? Unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/GerryBrownleeMP/status/1095410863555543040

New Zealand’s most open and transparent government ever strikes again. If this is an indication of how the Labour-led government is going to run things this year, it’s all doing to turn to shite very quickly.
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February 13, 2019 8:59am
- hullkiwi
  
  Once again this talk of a Wellbeing budget is smoke and mirrors. Robbo, does not know what he is talking about. Further, Treasury doesn’t even know how to put what Robbo and the SLG have been talking about into a policy framework. So, how on earth do you think Robbo can possibly front at a select committee with advisors, when none of them knows what is going on?
  
  They are relying on time to solve their problems. However, it is only 3 months until the budget is due for presentation to Parliament.
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:31am
- cmm
  
  Unfortunately this is beltway stuff that will only earn one or two votes.
  
  Many people naively think that wishing for moonbeams and pink unicorns is enough.
  
  Far too people are sufficiently connected to the real world to understand things like productivity and where their wealth really comes from.
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:14am
- secondcumming
  
  ZB are reporting it was caused by by Tamati Coffee not showing up due to morning sickness.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:08pm
  - Bullion
    
    Yeah, Coffee was sick. Nat MPs walked out so quorum couldn’t be reached.
    
    Carter said National could have come back into the room to allow the meeting to go ahead, “but it’s not our job” – well, what is your job?!
    
    https://twitter.com/acgeddis/status/1095442186886307840
    
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    February 13, 2019 1:53pm
DigNap15

Here’s Ardern in Venezuela
Comrades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig

And it was only ten years ago (2009)
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February 13, 2019 9:01am
- Tall Man
  
  Hungary?
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:14am
  - sooty
    
    No. I am not, I just had smoko!
    Two pies and a sussage roll.
    But thanks for asking
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      Thatsa gooda then….
      
      I hope you left a couple for a certain mp who wood die for a pie…..
      
      🙂
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:48am
    - Longknives
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern has a major problem on her hands with her “complex” relationship with China.

and I have to say, on some of things that have been raised to me, like Huawei, which is a decision that’s still underway, we need to make sure that we maintain our independent foreign policy”

She can lie to herself and us as much as she likes that NZ has an independent foreign policy, but many years ago NZ signed up to 5 Eyes…and where the US, Canada, UK and Australia go… NZ will also.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/109348046/how-five-eyes-cooked-up-campaign-to-kill-off-huawei
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February 13, 2019 9:03am
- fernglas
  
  In this increasingly polarised world, sides have to be taken. Which do we choose?
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ll tell you how it will pan out..
    We will follow 5 Eyes.
    China will drop trade with us by a significant margin..
    Our 5 Eyes mates won’t give a stuff.
    Small and medium businesses in NZ will go to the wall.
    China will buy them up and our Major businesses and IWI trusts will form “partnerships” with Chinese companies.
    
    We will all work hard for our new bosses.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:18am
    - SGA
      
      Ok… so –
      We don’t follow 5 Eyes.
      
      How does that pan out?
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:04am
    - Jack5
      
      You are pessimistic, today, Maggy. Completely out of character! ?
      
      But the core problem for NZ, in my humble view, is that we’ve encouraged the population to blow out to 4.9 million without commensurate development of successful export industries.
      
      A current account deficit for getting on for half a century!
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:32am
      - tf78
        
        NZ’s problem is lack of work ethics and welfare.
        
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        February 13, 2019 12:35pm
    - Justitia
      
      Maggy, our trade with our Five Eyes partners far outstrips that with China, is more diversified and offers greater potential for sophisticated manufactures and services. Our trade with China is commodity based and represents a dead-end when it comes to raising per capita productivity. I agree with Jack 5 re population growth. Mass low-skilled immigration has been used to inflate GDP; this is going to hurt us in the global downturn which is coming.
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:54am
      - Jack5
        
        Justitia, you’re right on GDP growth.
        
        The truth lies in GDP per capita, but politicians and the media echoers have focused on straight GDP and conned us.
        
        Remember the Aussie banker who described NZ as the “rock star” economy? Never was! We’re 48th in the world in GDP per capita, and 114th in the world in “real GDP” growth (based on the 2017 rate of 3 per cent).
        
        From Investopedia:
        
        “The real economic growth, or real GDP growth rate, measures economic growth in relation to gross domestic product (GDP) from one period to another and adjusted for inflation.”
        
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        February 13, 2019 12:24pm
brett68

If anyone is wondering why there’s a media bias against national.

I recommend having a look at NZ on Air, they’re providing funding for Stuff, for The Herald for TV3, The Spinoff, We’re not talking small amounts either.

https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/news/?type=latest-funding

I’d be fascinated to see how that compares to funding decisions made under National.

Fucks sake Lizzy Marvelly got given 250k to make one 50 minute show for Maori TV.
https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/news/may-2018-funding-decisions/
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February 13, 2019 9:07am
- Muttonbird
  
  BM, the changes to the NZ on Air funding model were made under National.
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/featured/23-09-2016/one-pot-to-fund-them-all-a-glance-at-nz-on-airs-dramatic-overhaul-of-funding/
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:03pm
Ross12

Here is an idea for National to use.
In the US these guys go around campuses and informally “interview” students on their understanding of or opinions of current political issues. But then they are told what the issue is really about or the real facts related to it and get the “revised” opinion.

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11859

National could get some young Nats out there doing a similar thing and put it around the social media. They could even get some older people talking to their age group and spread it around on more appropriate social media/media for that age group.
They do not have to copy the US guys –it is the basic idea that counts.
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February 13, 2019 9:07am
- Tall Man
  
  I had the pleasure of sharing a few nights with a couple of dyed in the wool followers of ardern the liar.
  
  Despite me asking what of her policies they supported they were unable to answer but always started with the old labour mantra, but but “Keys” was a liar. Despite me pointing out numerous times that his name was Key they were unable to pin point any benefit from ardern the liar or any negatives from the Sir John Key led National Government that would actually stand up to examination or debate.
  
  Frustrating to say the least.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:27am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Stardust is a mysterious substance.
    Causes people to go mad.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:52am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And willfully blind.
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:21am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tallman, it is not just dyed in wool lefties who support the SLG.
    
    Before Christmas, Mrs HK spent an afternoon doing gingerbread houses with mums/friends of our kid at our place. That evening while having a drink around the bbq, talk turned to Prinzess and the CoL.
    It was revealing, some of the parents in the 30 to 40 age group were adamant in their support for Prinzess and the CoL(L), the reasons for this support:
    1. JA is in their age group and they empathize with her;
    2. Key was seen as a liar;
    3. National was/is only interested in the interests of the rich & privileged (the irony of them living in above average priced Auckland properties is lost on them).
    
    They couldn’t identify any policy they agree with, other than JA has empathy for their concerns whatever they are.
    
    And above all, they did not care about:
    1. Ardern’s outrageous lies (Key lied);
    2. That she is a part time PM, more interested in her own image;
    3. What the CoL(L) is doing policy wise – they were just annoyed Key wasted money on the flag referendum.
    
    The above possibly goes some way to explain the poll result on Monday.
    
    However, the other point to draw is, we are talking about a large portion of the voting population who are somewhere between stupid and fickle. But some of those votes National needs and we are not going to attract them with either Bridgds or Collins as leader as neither have the empathy of this group.
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:24am
    - brett68
      
      No one is going to out empathise Ardern, doesn’t matter if it’s bullshit or not she’s got the number one empathy slot tied up for as long as she’s there.
      
      Like you say most average Kiwis are dimwits, who are easily led and her very little knowledge outside their personal bubble.
      
      The only way National is going to beat her and get through to these people is if National can spell out clearly and in layman’s terms why this government is dangerous and that it will hurt them and their families.
      
      That’s going to have to involve some pretty bold statements and whoever’s delivering them has to have the ability to think fast on their feet, because you’ll only get one shot and if you fuck it up like Joyce and the 11 billion hole then the media will rip National to bits.
      
      If I’m being honest, Simon doesn’t have that skill, he’s a bit too clinical, wear them down sort of guy and the media won’t give the guy a chance.
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:37am
      - Ross12
        
        Did Joyce get it wrong with the $11 billion hole?
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:53am
      - brett68
        
        No, but his delivery sucked, which was more important.
        
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        February 13, 2019 10:56am
      - Tall Man
        
        Brett, I used to be a more than adequate chess player but was never brilliant.
        
        However, I won a lot of games by grinding the opponent down.
        
        Was the same on the mat..fitter and the number of little blows really start to count further along the bout. Same result, not startlinng but effective.
        
        Often it is the “angry outburst” that lets you in. Trust me, we will see that before too long and Simon Bridges is certainly capable of inflicting many small but telling blows.
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:24am
      - brett68
        
        What about if everyone is playing checkers.
        
        I have to be honest, I’m seeing history repeat itself and very recent history.
        
        I’ll ask you this.
        
        Did trying to grind down John Key work?
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:40am
      - Tall Man
        
        Brett, Sir John Key was probably both a better chess and checkers player than I and as the bulk of NZ was actually happy with both him and the bulk of his policies neither myself or any others wanted to try to grind him down.
        
        He was the man for the time but now we are in a different time and I think Sir William English had the same opinion.
        
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        February 13, 2019 2:25pm
    - JIV
      
      Is this the difference between a poll and an election. I would expect 100% of National supporters to purposely stride down to vote on election day, but many of the limp Ardern supporters would not be bothered. If they are not politically aware enough, to see what an inept politician she is, are they driven enough to get out and vote?
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:12am
      - Tall Man
        
        Cannabis.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203205
        
        Obviously not on board with policy is he?
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:27am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Tallman, Nash may not be on board. But as a subject matter to get the Liebore and Green voters out next year, running the cannabis referendum on the same day as the general election is a stroke of strategic genius by the CoL.
        
        That referendum is a sure fire way to get those who support cannabis law reform and deliver votes to the CoL on the necessary day. That is one hell of a handicap for National to contend with!
        
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        February 13, 2019 11:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        HK, it will also galvanise those against and I think they may be in ascendancy on this.
        
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        February 13, 2019 2:28pm
      - Viking2
        
        Tall man get your head out of the clouds. Plenty of polls on this subject and plenty that show the Nats. have their head up their arse.
        Do some research if you think I’m wrong. you can find all you,need to know on KB for at least 10 or more years.
        
        But you won’t.
        
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        February 13, 2019 8:16pm
  - Longknives
    
    ‘Oh but Jacinda’s a breath of fresh air’ is another good one!
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:26am
    - Tall Man
      
      The stale smell of bullshit…
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:27am
  - kevn
    
    @Tall… The problem most Key detractors had was that he was ‘successful’ prior to being PM and also had the answer to any question, logical and clear with no bullsh*t.
    Folk suffered do and did suffer from envy I think.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:41am
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      It was because he was a capitalist running dog.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:27pm
- tf78
  
  That reminds me of when some such reporters stopped people in the streets and read them a quote – thinking it was Trump of course they disagreed, it was actually Obama. It was beautiful to watch these idiots being shown up for their true prejudices.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:39pm
hullkiwi

Sorry, but this got posted on tomorrow’s GD, so for those of you restrictring yourself to today, I’ll inflict on you today!.

What a piece of work Shane Jones is. Accusing Northlander’s and especially the Regional Chairman, John Bain of being liars and demonstrating behaviour like that of the “Cargo Cult” (a reference to PNG indigenous peoples in the 20th Century after contact with European settlers) as reported by RNZ news 12/02/2019.

Jones’remarks are a follow on from Friday, when he accused Bain of being out of step with what Northlanders want.

Now let’s put the record straight.

1. It is Jones who is fostering the Cargo Cult behaviour/mentality. Because it is him, who is playing “God” and showering money and goodies (via the Regional Economic Growth Fund) on those who will pledge their support.

2. It is not Bain who is out of step with what Northlanders want (which is a 4 lane expressway Auckland to Whangarei), it is Jones who has it wrong. He and the Toxic Gnome being part of the CoL(L) agreed to the scraping of the Roads of National Significance. Bain and the leaders of all local Northland councils went to Wellington last year to lobby for the continuation of the expressway programme.

3. Then Jones made the blatant lie on Monday that the previous government had not intended to proceed with the road by not providing for it. He claimed that at the rate the previous govt planned to fund the road it might be provided by the mid 2050s. To which Simon Bridges and Bain responded back with evidence showing the highway planning and design phase was well advanced, that the National govt had set aside $450m for the Whangarei to Waipu leg & land was being designated for the Warkworth to Wellsford leg.

So, what does this episode show:
1. Despite talk of Jones “buying” a seat in Northland, this I would contend is doubtful. He is more likely buying votes (party);
2. Despite his immense power in cabinet and responsibility, him and Peters are prepared to sell out their support base for the baubles of power;
3. As Minister of Infrastructure, Jones is the wrong person for the job, as he does not have a clue about making strategic infrastructure investments on behalf of New Zealanders, he is political first and foremost;
4. What is the point of establishing the Infrastructure Investment Advisory Panel within Treasury, goals with providing strategic infrastructure investment advice to Jones and Ardern if he makes infrastructure investment decisions for political purposes?; and
5. Like Ardern Jones is also a liar!
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February 13, 2019 9:17am
- Monique Watson
  
  Good case there. I read while idly wondering if he still watches porn. Ahh, the vagaries of the human mind,
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:26am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Thanks, now I’m stuck with an image of him vigorously adjusting himself.
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:02am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Recalibrating?
      
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      February 13, 2019 10:25am
- tf78
  
  I think Jones flies up North these days as apparently there was quite a lot of money spent on upgrading the airport so roads are of no significance to him.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:43pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Says it all about the hypocrisy of the CoL and their MPs.
    
    As for Jones in his hotel/motel room recalibrating himself, that just doesn’t even bare (pun intended) thinking about!
    
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    February 13, 2019 1:42pm
Monique Watson

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/new-zealand-pm-jacinda-ardern-says-china-flights-return-not-a-red-flag-for-ties

Say it all you like. It doesn’t make it true.
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February 13, 2019 9:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think they covered Asian Communication Skills in her degree course at Waikato
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:21am
  - stephieboy
    
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    The Straight Times finishes,
    
    “The rescheduled flight landed in Shanghai on Monday, data from flight tracking website FlightAware shows.”
    
    Perfect storm in a teacup stuff!
    
    Move on..
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:27am
      - stephieboy
        
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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUcHZ9yH3j8
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:30am
      - Tall Man
        
        Hey steffy girl
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hloWmE_3d2I
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:34am
    - pentwig
      
      stoopidthing
      it is time you moved on, this is not a blog for self confessed perverts
      snigger,snigger
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:41am
  - tf78
    
    You mean in her “Spinsters of Communications Degree”.
    
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    February 13, 2019 12:44pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Red flag? How apt.
  
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  February 13, 2019 4:23pm
dime

This Trade War seems to be working out pretty good for the Don.

Chinese stocks in disarray. Yanks powering on.
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February 13, 2019 9:30am
- stephieboy
  
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  The trade war with China is top strand in the White House soap
  
  Art is supposed to hold a mirror up to society butfor Donald Trump the opposite is the case. Current events in the White House increasingly mirror the soap opera of the West Wing only with a rightwing nationalist rather than a social democratic globalist at the helm.
  As with the TV series, there are a number of interwoven plots. Is Trump involved in an attempt to smear the world’s richest man, Jeff Bezos? Will the probing by the special counsel Robert Mueller lead to the president’s impeachment? Will the president’s battle with Congress over a wall along the border with Mexico lead to a second shutdown of the government?
  But the main story line this week is whether Trump is getting ready to do a deal with China over trade. Last week, hopes of an agreement before a 90-day truce runs out on 1 March were fading. That episode ended with the president announcing that he had no plans to meet China’s president Xi Jinping before the deadline.
  
  But all good soaps have a twist and as talks between middle-ranking Chinese and American officials began in Beijing, the White House let it be known that Trump and Xi might indeed meet “very soon”. Wall Street, which wants the trade war to be over as quickly as possible, loved that.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/11/the-trade-war-with-china-is-top-strand-in-the-white-house-soap
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:36am
  - DigNap15
    
    Just getting China to buy a bit more stuff from the USA once, is not enough.
    They need to promise to stop spying on US companies.
    reduce tarrifs on all US goods.
    Stop predatory pricing especially on steel.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:41am
    - Tall Man
      
      The “peaking” goes both ways I’m afraid.
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hloWmE_3d2I
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    so take her with you.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:49am
  - Inandout
    
    the guardian..lol
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:42am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Bezos investigation has concluded his girlfriends brother exposed the texts. Bezos has acknowledged Trump had nothing to do with it.
    
    NBC have announced Muellers probe is over and the President is clear.
    
    There’s probably not going to be a shutdown. Trump wanted 64 miles of wall. He’s being offered 55 miles- of any type of wall he likes. Texas has said it’s going to fund its own wall. Since they control the Governorship and the State house they can approve the funding.
    
    Trumps team landed in Beijing last night to work on trade. Given the economic situation in China it’s likely a deal will be done. In the meantime China (along with the EU) has agreed to substantially increase purchases of Soy Beans off US farmers.
    
    Also the Head of NATO has confirmed that members have increased funding this year by an extra $2 billion.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:26am
    - tf78
      
      Trump should adapt the old saying to “they gave me and inch, so I took a mile”.
      
      The money should come from the “dafence” budget.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:48pm
- MrTips
  
  I suspect Trump bothers Beijing a little bit more than they let on. They would much prefer a Bush, Clinton, Obama or even a Reagan who doesn’t have the raw street thuggery cred in business that Trump does. Trump can be bought sure, but he knows all about THE DEAL and that is really what this is all about.
  
  Trump would actually turn the South China Sea atoll into a great glass sculpture if he had too, in order to deal on his terms.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:47am
  - stephieboy
    
    Mr Tips, full of MAGA BS,
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12173872
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPAFdbAxYos
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:18am
    - MrTips
      
      Its ok to disagree SB. Just don’t be creepy about it.
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:32am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Interesting to see the story in today’s Dom Post about “competing” rallies for Trump and O’Rourke in Texas. The AP report treated them as equals but somehow failed to mention that O’Rourke had something up 1,000 people attending with room for plenty more had the wanted to attend, whereas Trump’s rally had a capacity 20K+ crowd plus probably 2 x as many outside.
    
    Just to make it more amusing, O’Rourke railed against walls, while standing behind one to protect him from interlopers. The irony was apparently lost on him.
    
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    February 13, 2019 12:52pm
DigNap15

I just sent this email to Carmel Sepuloni Minster of Social Development

“Dear Ms Sepuloni

Could you please tell me how reducing the benefit sanctions will hep people get back into work and get some dignity and start to raise their own living standards.

I note that in a time of record employment, the number of people not in work, or in training, or education has gone up!

I see a lot of people in my city just walking around all day or hanging round in their house, doing nothing.

Do you think this is good for them or good for New Zealand?

Please explain what you are doing to get these people into work.

And do you want or expect the number of Neets to keep rising or start to fall?

Kind Regards
DigNap15”

I intend to write one email every few days to a member of the COL.
I find that by asking questions rather than saying I don’t like you polices you get a reply.
If enough people did this it may make them think!
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February 13, 2019 9:38am
Yvette

Ross is politically dead, but won’t lie down?

• Ross believed that voting with National on every vote would stop the party from being able to use the “waka jumping” law – which allows party leaders to kick MPs elected under their party banner out of Parliament if they “distort the proportionality of Parliament.” – stuff

People like Andrew Geddis, on ‘Pundit’, have referred to the 2005 case, Elias CJ in Prebble v Awatere Huata, saying that – “… all five [Supreme Court] judges agreed on this central point: “distorting proportionality” in the legislation isn’t necessarily about how an MP votes in the House; rather the wider changes caused by an MP going from party member to independent suffice. Applying that precedent from our highest court, Ross’ new status as independent meets the required statutory threshold.”

• Ross intended to continue serving on the Transport and Infrastructure Select Committee.

Are there not specific rules for party representations on committees set by member numbers?

• Ross said his expulsion from the party would become an issue for the party as he was not afforded “natural justice” and this was required under the case law.

As I remember it, Ross held a press conference where he announced his resignation from National, while concurrently the National caucus met to expel him (Yes, irony makes the world go round). It may take a close examination of both incidences to establish which happened first: Ross’s resignation or Party expulsion.

Incidentally, or accidentally –
Winston’s Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill says …

55A Member of Parliament ceasing to be parliamentary member of political party
(3) For the purposes of subsection (2), a member of Parliament ceases to be a parliamentary member of the political party for which the member of Parliament was elected only if —
(a) the member of Parliament delivers to the Speaker a written notice that complies with section 55B; or
(b) the parliamentary leader of the political party for which the member of Parliament was elected delivers to the Speaker a written notice that complies with section 55C.

As neither (a) above, or (b) have been fulfilled, Jami-Lee Ross must technically, under this law, still be a Member of the National Party in Parliament because the law says “a member of Parliament ceases to be a parliamentary member of the political party for which the member of Parliament was elected only if …” (a) or (b) has occurred.
Winston may have thought this law to be fool-proof.
Or is this just proof his law was written by fools?
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February 13, 2019 9:39am
- slightlyrighty
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107877604/explosive-allegations-before-disgraced-mp-jamilee-ross-quits-national-party-forcing-byelection
  
  In October of last year, Jamie Lee Ross announced he was resigning. It was reported at the time as such. Bridges need to accept the resignation, and disregard anything that happened after this.
  
  Problem solved. No Waka Jumping law required.
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:00am
  - rangitoto
    
    The resignation from parliament would go to Mallard not Bridges.
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:48am
- kevn
  
  Yvette, JLR…Like a bad smell that follows one around.
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:16am
  - Paulus
    
    Not a smell called Tova perhaps.
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:00pm
Manolo

Is Morrissey in charge of KB? 😀
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February 13, 2019 9:42am
- Tall Man
  
  morris isn’t even in charge of morris…
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:52am
- Jack5
  
  Morrissey Breen will be flat out monitoring radio stations, the left ear tuned to one station, the right ear to another, and three recorders each logging a different station. No wonder his brain is scrambled!
  
  Morrissey doesn’t seem to have posted to his blog for almost two months. That is, not since the report of an encounter in an Auckland brothel with someone using the pseudonym of a Kiwiblog poster.
  
  Some Kiwibloggers are named in other posts.
  
  https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/who-is-this-morrissey-weirdo-dec-18-2015.html
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:03am
DigNap15

We all need to lobby the COL to re-start the roads of National significance.
Four lane highways!
Not judder bars and nice signs.

Simon promised this again in his speech in Parliament.
Where he mentioned each road.
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February 13, 2019 9:44am
slightlyrighty

The Canadian union representing journalists have publicly come out and announced their goal of stopping the opposition leader from rolling Trudeau.

I believe that our media is just as motivated, but far more subtle about it. The MSM is, by and large, a left wing organisation.
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February 13, 2019 9:55am
MrTips

Here’s an event for you all. KB needs somebody else to represent, because a quick canvas of most colleagues suggests it will be a very small affair, we are all doing our hair or something…..
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February 13, 2019 9:57am
- Tall Man
  
  Hugo said you go and I said “fuck you Hugo you go”
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:11am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Sounds like the kfc ad of old, well the first part at any rate.
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:30pm
- graham
  
  We are unfurling the rainbow flag at the University of Otago, Christchurch to formally and proudly recognise our commitment as allies to students, staff and patients who are members of the rainbow community.
  
  Brilliant! A tribute to Ritchie Blackmore’s “Rainbow”! And they even have a community dedicated to it. Count me in.
  
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  Oh, not that type of Rainbow? Feckers.
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:27am
  - Longknives
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9nfVrusSMg
    
    Badass!
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:50am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying on Americans

The notion that the Chinese government would spy on corporations and US agencies with electronic devices manufactured by Chinese companies is not only absurd but would be catastrophic to furthering its ambitions in world trade….”

The root cause of this paranoia is Trump’s protectionism and trade wars

https://www.zdnet.com/article/paranoia-will-destroy-you-why-chinese-tech-isnt-spying-on-us/
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February 13, 2019 10:14am
- Jack5
  
  What do you mean by “us”, you Stephiestani fuckwit?
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:30am
- dime
  
  Yeah its all Trump.
  
  Trump is so powerful he was banning Huawei back in 2014!! 2 years before he was elected. What a legend.
  
  “The Chinese firm is banned from bidding for US government contracts because of concerns over espionage.”
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/business-29620442
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:33am
  - stephieboy
    
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    dime ( & cmm) ,
    
    full of MAGA BS,
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12173872
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:08am
    - cmm
      
      Herald as an impartial source.
      
      Fuck you’re stupid.
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:46am
      - Tall Man
        
        Cmm, ten points deducted from your account for statinng the obvious.
        
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        February 13, 2019 2:37pm
      - cmm
        
        Tallman
        
        I’ve got karma to burn. Can I go again?
        
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        February 13, 2019 2:41pm
- cmm
  
  It is quite amazing how you can be so wrong that you are right.
  
  The paranoia has nothing to do with Trump. It is driven by the swamp” that Trump is trying to drain.
  
  The “swamp” are all those lobbyists for companies like Cisco and Motorola etc that are having their hugely protectionist industries disrupted by lower cost effective players like Huawei.
  
  Drain the swamp!
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:46am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  You make the erroneous assertion that agencies like the GCSB, DSD and GCHQ are political in their assessments or advice. They are not.
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:50am
- Tall Man
  
  ardern is a liar
  
  steffy follows ardern ardently…
  
  what does that make steffy?
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:08am
Hugh Pavletich

The Kiwibuild fiasco … continued …

Why affordable Wanaka KiwiBuild homes are unsold: locals explain mystery – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12203048

KiwiBuild firm in its plan for 211 homes | Otago Daily Times Online News

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/wanaka/kiwibuild-firm-its-plan-211-homes

… The New Zealand Listener … latest Editorial … essential reading …

The KiwiBuild failure should galvanise urgent action on NZ’s housing disaster – The Listener

https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/kiwibuild-failure-galvanise-action-nz-housing-disaster/
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February 13, 2019 10:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Tell us something we don’t already know.
  Hugh=self-promoting idiot.
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:36am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Housing failure is the major reason why National lost the 2017 election …
    
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
    
    Is National learning anything ?
    
    The IPSOS Issues Surveys indicate twice as many Kiwis are of the view Labour will fix the housing problem rather than National …
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=jz5jXM3RN8fLvgS79oiICQ&q=ipsos+nz+issues+&btnK=Google+Search
    
    This is just how pathetic National was back in mid 2016.
    
    No wonder John Key mutinied late 2016 …
    
    Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
    
    National should consider changing its name to ‘The Knitters Club’ … so that it finds something to do that it may succeed at !
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:01am
    - Cobolt24
      
      BLOOMBERG: New Zealand’s Central Bank Could Be the Next to Turn Dovish
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      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-11/rbnz-tipped-as-next-central-bank-to-turn-dovish-as-worries-mount
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      .New Zealand’s central bank may acknowledge the rising risk of an interest-rate cut when it delivers its first policy decision of the year.
      
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      February 13, 2019 11:05am
    - Happychappy
      
      Hugh in case you didn’t know a Labour, NZ First,Greens Coalition are the Government and they have fucked up housing even worse than National and by promising to build 100,00 houses over ten years is just a vacant promise as they will never get three terms even with you leading their praises, so give up being a moron and pushing the blame on John Key he is well gone and the Coalition is a fraud so start holding them to account.
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:02pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Happychappy … Bear in mind I’m a Tory too !
        
        For many many years National thought I was a wonderful chap … particularly in the lead up to the 2008 election … when National was more than happy to us the housing issue to do in Labour !
        
        Just read the very long history to all this on my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        Sadly … National left me … I didn’t leave National.
        
        Please read the 3 2018 IPSOS Issues Surveys carefully … to better understand why National is deservedly on the Opposition benches.
        
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        February 13, 2019 12:43pm
    - KevOB
      
      Do you really want to promote the COL facing a GFC? The present controllers of the Treasury Benches haven’t got enough nous to run a cake stall. Can NZ afford that degree of competence in our wannabe politicians?
      
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      February 13, 2019 5:23pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Auckland property values lower than they were 12 months ago.
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  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98090/average-housing-values-auckland-are-lower-they-were-12-months-ago-says-qv-value
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  also see a reply from Jack5 about China credit crackdown:
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  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/general_debate_13_february_2019.html#comment-2426526
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:58am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Cobolt24 … Mabt thanks for alerting me to Jack5 comment … which I have responded to … access via your kb link above .
    
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    February 13, 2019 12:00pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      China puts economy at risk by spurning market-oriented reforms it once promoted, long-time observer Nicholas Lardy warns | South China Morning Post
      
      https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2185905/china-puts-its-economy-risk-spurning-market-oriented-reforms-it
      
      China’s gig economy losing ability to absorb laid off factory workers … South China Morning Post
      
      https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2185789/chinas-grey-economy-losing-ability-be-employment-backstop-laid
      
      Macau braces for impact of slowing Chinese economy … ejinsight
      
      http://www.ejinsight.com/20190212-macau-braces-for-impact-of-slowing-chinese-economy/
      
      BOE: China is “not going to bail us out this time” – MacroBusiness (behind paywall)
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/boe-china-not-going-bail-us-time/
      
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      February 13, 2019 12:51pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        China’s housing glut casts pall over the economy – Nikkei Asian Review
        
        https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Cover-Story/China-s-housing-glut-casts-pall-over-the-economy
        
        TOKYO/HONG KONG — For many single men in China, buying an apartment is a prerequisite for marriage. Yan Zhong, a 34-year-old resident of the northern city of Jinan, has hopes to do both. But, lately, he has started to have second thoughts — at least about buying the apartment.
        
        “I’m considering holding back on my house purchasing plans for a while,” he said.
        
        Yan still intends to marry someday, but he is growing concerned about China’s housing market. Even in a so-called “second-tier” city like Jinan, a 100 sq. meter apartment would cost him about 2 million yuan ($297,000). Yan, who makes roughly 6,000 yuan a month working for a local environmental nonprofit organization, is only able to afford half of that, despite years of saving and generous support from his parents. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 13, 2019 7:35pm
Yvette

Preferred Prime Minister
Newshub does not give voters options for this category. They are simply asked: “If you were able to vote for any politician in New Zealand to be Prime Minister, for whom would you vote?” – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/nz-prefers-judith-collins-to-simon-bridges-as-prime-minister-newshub-poll.html

Does this mean then, that no one other than Ardern, Collins, or Bridges was mentioned in the preferred Prime Minister rankings?
No Winston? M.I.A?
Do readers believe that?
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February 13, 2019 10:45am
- kevn
  
  @Yvette…. Just a carefully cultivated push poll.
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:21am
Salacious Crumb

You make the erroneous assertion that agencies like the GCSB, DSD and GCHQ are political in their assessments or advice. They are not.
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February 13, 2019 10:49am
- Tall Man
  
  However, like all good puppies they do tailor that advice to suit the current market.
  
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  February 13, 2019 11:06am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Not true. They report the facts as they have gathered with security recommendations. At the end of the day it is the PM’s office who decides the course of the government based on that information. They remain apolitical.
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:49pm
cmm

Oes, noes!! Similar cladding as used in Grenfell Towers used on new Sky City building.

No problems: Just don’t run any dodgy appliances in the Sky City then.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12203360
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February 13, 2019 11:06am
- secondcumming
  
  Quiz question: What sort of appliances operate in a chinese laundry?
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:00pm
Manolo

This congresswoman is scum:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/11/ilhan-omar-antisemitic-tweets-house-democrats-apology

The Minnesota congresswoman Ilhan Omar “unequivocally” apologised on Monday for comments that suggested American support for Israel was fueled by political donations from a pro-Israel lobby group – a remark condemned by House Democratic leaders for raising “antisemitic tropes and prejudicial accusations”.
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February 13, 2019 11:12am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Manolo, you also must know antisemitism is rife among Trump supporters,
  
  Trump backers hurl anti-Semitic tweets at NY Times editor
  
  Jonathan Weisman calls out racism among Republican candidate’s supporters and receives some in returnhttps://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-backers-hurl-anti-semitic-tweets-at-ny-times-editor/
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-backers-hurl-anti-semitic-tweets-at-ny-times-editor/
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:25pm
  - KevOB
    
    you also must know antisemitism is rife among Trump supporters
    
    What evidence do you have for your horrible statement?
    
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    February 13, 2019 5:28pm
dime

Just checked into whaleoil for the first time in about 2 weeks.

4th story down – simon bridges. blood in the water. winnie is after him etc etc

fuck that blog is stale.

get new material guys.
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February 13, 2019 11:53am
- brett68
  
  Apparently, from what I’ve read(Pete Georges blog) Winston Peters lawyer/barrister is representing Slater for free.
  Which may explain his enthusiasm for Peters and his dislike for Bridges.
  
  Be funny if someone popped across and asked for clarification around the Winston Peters lawyer allegation and is that the reason why Whaleoil is so supportive of the man?
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:22pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Winston’s lawyer?
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:33pm
- rockape
  
  They used to talk about newspapers being todays fish and chip wrappers. That blog now regurgitates 2 day old news. Collins biggest problem for leadership is that anchor called Slater round her neck.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:39pm
  - brett68
    
    Maybe she’s told him to stop pushing her and he’s refusing to listen?
    
    Thing is his support is toxic to Collins, she knows it and unless the guy is utterly deluded knows that as well
    
    Which does make me wonder if Collins is actually the one
    Slater and Lusk want as leader?
    
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    February 13, 2019 1:37pm
- ex-golfer
  
  I hope you bleached your eyes afterwards.
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:11pm
Cobolt24

Woman gives birth in NZ while on a temporary work visa and now they’re complaining about them deporting the NZ born child despite having the same immigration status as their parents.

http://Www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203129
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February 13, 2019 12:11pm
DigNap15

This spat with China is serious.
They are our biggest source of old escorts and our biggest source of P precursors.
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February 13, 2019 12:12pm
- DigNap15
  
  And I forgot, they are our biggest professional sellers on Trademe.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:52pm
- kowtow
  
  I see a Plod Supernintendo has announced the Ann Marie Brady burglaries investigations have hit a brick wall.
  
  Interesting timing and a very senior man to make the announcement .
  
  Is it code to the Chinese that we’ve buried that one ?
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/382361/anne-marie-brady-break-ins-police-investigation-hits-dead-end
  
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  February 13, 2019 1:11pm
  - BeaB
    
    Or it was all manufactured hysteria and self-promotion by a media-savvy academic hungry for attention?
    
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    February 13, 2019 1:13pm
    - kowtow
      
      She gets lots of attention . Spoke in Oz on this matter, that’s why she’s a target.
      
      If as you’re implying she made it up , then she’s made a false report to police , a crime . Why would she take a risk of a prosecution for the sake of attention , when she has plenty of it.
      
      And she didn’t make up the JLR tape of Bridges discussing Chinese buying seats in parliament or that Jian Yang looking to get some Chinese guy into a sensitive position.
      
      No smoke without fire.
      
      ‘Embattled MP Jian Yang lobbied ministers in a bid to overturn a national security block on a China-born job applicant taking up a sensitive position in the defence force’
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11962652
      
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      February 13, 2019 2:08pm
      - BeaB
        
        Her mechanic well -schooled in international espionage said her car might have been sabotaged.
        She had a couple of break-ins.
        The police can find no evidence to pursue the matter.
        She may truly truly believe the Yellow Peril are after her and making some very clumsy attempts to steal from her.
        I think the whole affair is over-blown, very unlikely to be the Chinese and brings her lots of attention by the media and other academics keen to see a Chinese conspiracy behind everything.
        In the meantime, China coolly snubs our PM, threatens our tourism plans and starts to get the business community worried.
        As always, they have bigger fish to fry than some woman at Canterbury Uni no-one had ever heard of.
        
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        February 13, 2019 2:55pm
- Justitia
  
  Yes, China’s role in undermining our social fabric through the remorseless supply of P precursors is overlooked. Don’t bullshit me that a totalitarian police state doesn’t know who is involved in the business. Opium wars in reverse.
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:20pm
stephieboy

Duncan Garner right on to it,

“The Government is set to put a bomb under our Polytechnic sector today.
My Beehive sources say this will be the biggest shakeup of polytechs, trades training and apprenticeships since 1992 when some bright spark in National got rid of apprenticeship training under the polytech banner. We’ve paid for it ever since.
My well-placed sources say up to nine polytechs that can’t stand on their own two feet will face the chopping block first.
Four of them are certainly acutely sick – they’re broken, not fit for purpose, their courses are not what employers want.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/government-proposes-merging-new-zealand-s-polytechnics.html
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February 13, 2019 12:18pm
- Cobolt24
  
  More posts like this please Stephie!
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:26pm
- kevn
  
  @septic boy… You are just parroting Garner and know nothing about it.
  Go back to sleep.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:30pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The main reason they are struggling is lower enrolments and that’s because universities are getting taxpayer funding to take any semi-literate bozo who in the past would have failed UE and gone to polytech to become a plumber or hairdresser.
  
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  February 13, 2019 1:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    Nigel, if you could time shift, Graeme Hart might have gone to university, instead of becoming a tow truck driver and, eventually, a billionaire and New Zealand’s richest man.
    
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    February 13, 2019 1:53pm
- Paulus
  
  Polytechs should cease to give University Degree courses.
  The are NOT Universities.
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:04pm
  - kowtow
    
    No comrade , under socialism everyone gets a degree.
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:34pm
Universal Smith

None of the current political parties represent the interests of ordinary people. They exist only to further the ideology of their chosen clique.

Both the major parties are filled with elitist inward looking people who have no regard for the majority they influence. The left cynically display fake caring, for certain groups, to gather votes and cloak their agenda of division. Their goal is total control of others. The right are bit simpler and are mainly concerned about the dollars and their rich mates.

We need pragmatic caring leadership that puts outcomes over ideology and hidden agendas.
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February 13, 2019 12:26pm
- Sacha
  
  @ Universal Smith: I’d argue with you about that. The ‘right’ want EVERYBODY to earn their keep by working and contributing to society.
  And the ‘rich mates’ are often the most generous, supporting projects with massive donations, which provide facilities for the citizens.
  Just as you get other like-minded groups gathering in clubs, so do the rich. They exchange ideas and enjoy making money, which is their job.
  You are just repeating the usual leftie mantra which only appeals to the non-thinkers.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:49pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    The “leftie mantra” of being critical of the left?
    
    You represent the typical tribal voter, no critical thinking, or insight. The fact the left are worse does not make the right better.
    
    John Key understood it. You don’t. But he did have the advantage of being smart.
    
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    February 13, 2019 6:57pm
kevn

It begs the question…. Will hipkins be able to do a proper job of the Polytech shakeup?
His track record says no.
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February 13, 2019 12:29pm
- brett68
  
  Hipkins won’t be doing anything. He’s just the front man.
  
  That’s the thing about this Labour government every mp is a puppet, everything is happening out back,out of view.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:34pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    You are correct. However this is much the same with all governments. The real decisions are made off the record. What you see is the window dressing and image management.
    
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    February 13, 2019 12:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    brett68, oh sure!
    
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    February 13, 2019 12:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      How would you know…
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 13, 2019 1:02pm
- cmm
  
  “The ITOs will be replaced by new “industry skills bodies” which will be led by employers. They will become “bookends to the vocational education system”, setting standards and checking that trainees have been well trained, but losing the role of managing training to the new institute.”
  
  So what about all the polytechnic courses that have no bearing on industry, especially the various Maori studies etc? Are they going to get tipped overboard? I somehow doubt it.
  
  How a bunch of comrades who have not done a stitch of work in their whole lives think they can fix vocations is beyond me.
  
  “”The direction of the proposed reform is to maintain and grow ITP delivery in the regions,” Based on current form that means move them all to Wellington!
  
  I notice there’s a huge concern about polytechnics over-educating people, but what about all the university departments that do absolutely bugger all to generate employable people? People getting PhDs in studying how guitars are used in Maori music. How’s that employable?
  
  Nope, they won’t make any disruption for the lecturers etc who are all Labour Luvvies.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:44pm
  - sooty
    
    Maoris never had guitars in music!
    Not till the white man turned up!
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:30pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Then they had ten….
      
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      February 13, 2019 2:48pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Cultural appropriation? or is it mis-appropriation?
      
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      February 13, 2019 5:17pm
kevn

@brett68… Union driven? Yep.
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February 13, 2019 12:39pm
Than

The “Green New Deal” is a deeply, deeply flawed bill. Not only will it not help solve the issue of climate-change, it will be actively counterproductive.

First, it doesn’t offer any specifics, just vague goals and feel good words. It’s hardly alone in this, but just like all the other empty calls for undefined action, it’s kind of pointless.

Second, to the limited degree it does talk about specifics it displays its clear biases. The authors are not interested in promoting solutions based on objective evidence about what reduces emissions. Instead its just the cliched doctrines of the environmental-left (we should really be more honest and just call it Gaianism, because it is effectively a religion) – wind/solar good, trains good, nuclear bad, etc.

And third, it rolls in whole bunch of issues which have utterly zero to do with climate-change whatsoever. What have education and healthcare got to do with reducing carbon emissions? Including these unrelated topics turns this bill from well-meaning (if pointless) virtue-signalling to being actively counterproductive. It will only serve to draw time/effort away from and increase opposition to bills which could actually be part of the solution.

This is not a credible attempt to start a conversation about reducing emissions – it is nothing but an alt-left manifesto.
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February 13, 2019 12:43pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  not ‘alt’ left, ‘control’ left.
  
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  February 13, 2019 12:49pm
DigNap15

Yes, I can’t believe it the proposed Polytech reform look good.
Make them repsonsible for getting people into jobs!
Drop all the mumbo jumbo courses.

Get all neets off the couch.
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February 13, 2019 12:57pm
Maggie Pie

I wonder if anyone else has heard this? My partner just came home for lunch (he operates his own tow truck). He was saying a chinese tourist was telling him that people travelling overseas are now only allowed to take $1,900 US out of China due to new currency restrictions imposed by thier govment. Maybe things are worse over there than we are lead to believe 🙁
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February 13, 2019 1:02pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, most Chinese tourists spend fuck all here because almost everything is prepaid.
  
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  February 13, 2019 1:31pm
- Justitia
  
  Maggie Pie – growth is collapsing under a mountain of debt. China’s bubble has been burst and it’s going to get very unpleasant. We are getting a tiny foretaste of things to come right now.
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:25pm
Disillusioned_Voter

Too funny:
Government upset that Finance select committee collapsed…
TLDR;
Waaaaaaaa, Waaaaaa… Our people can’t organize themselves or get here on time, but it’s all Nationals fault!
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February 13, 2019 1:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Does Tamato have morning sickness , he’s having a baby afterall.
  
  So the mejia were very anxious to tell us while he was well enough to front up at the weekend at the big queer show off show , the one where Ardern said there’s plenty of money for cock in frocks to have their dangly bits chopped off.
  
  I see TVNZ are using rainbow colours for station identification , what the fuck is that about ?
  
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  February 13, 2019 1:07pm
  - sooty
    
    Does he get parental leave?
    How about a nanny?
    Which one is the daddy?
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:28pm
    - fernglas
      
      Yes
      Yes, if they can afford it.
      Both
      
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      February 13, 2019 3:52pm
- ex-golfer
  
  It is the Governments responsibility to ensure that Select Committee meetings are conducted, quorums are maintained etc.
  Blaming the National Party for their own inability to have enough of their bone-idle and lazy MP’s turn up to a meeting is lame and shows just how un-organised they are.
  
  But no one cares outsides of the beltway.
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:14pm
  - fernglas
    
    Absolutely. Tutuing about over procedural issues makes them all look like small-minded dickheads.
    
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    February 13, 2019 3:54pm
Jack5

Wonder how Putin’s internet-shutdown test will go? There’s some speculation Russia might emulate the Great Firewall of China.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/11/693538900/russia-is-considering-an-experiment-to-disconnect-from-the-internet
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February 13, 2019 1:08pm
Inandout

A chap called ‘Iris’ from Auckland Peace Group says Jordan Peterson will ruin our way of life. Amazing how speaking the truth has that effect. Oh yes, Jordan is a Nazi, homophobe, Islamophobe, racist, sexist..blah, blah.
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February 13, 2019 1:27pm
- secondcumming
  
  Heard him on with Shaun Plunkett. God give me strength! Where do they find people like ‘Iris’?
  He could hardly string 2 fucking words together….
  
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  February 13, 2019 1:32pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Amazing how scared they are of him.
  Instead of being able to put up any meaningful debate to his views all they can resort to is ad-hominem attacks and, no doubt, a bomb scare here and there.
  
  How on earth can can someone speaking ruin peoples way of life? (well, if might ruin their snowflake little safe space way of life – poor wee souls).
  
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  February 13, 2019 1:53pm
- Swifty
  
  Here it is:
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/02/listen-sean-plunket-rips-apart-stunned-auckland-peace-action-activist-over-jordan-peterson-opposition.html
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:32pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    That’s hilarious. Listening to Iris (*snigger*) mage me think of a whispy bearded gender fluid beta male with mommy issues sporting a pussy-hat having a go at being all authoritarian. Let’s just hope that he and his lot don’t graduate to real bombs.
    
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    February 13, 2019 3:23pm
- alex Masterley
  
  “Iris” is a junior data scientist at Colmar Brunton according to his link’d inn profile.
  It would appear that he can happily make accusations about people but cannot come up with little things called facts to back up his allegations.
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:46pm
  - Swifty
    
    You’ve got to listen to the interview – best laugh I’ve had all week.
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:52pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Not funny at all; just someone utterly, embarrassingly incapable of responding to critical questions in any informed and coherent way, at least in the bits I heard – couldn’t bear to listen to the whole clueless train wreck.
      
      This is a representative with a degree defending his group’s actions and point of view. What must the rank and file, if there are any, be like?
      
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      February 13, 2019 4:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        Agree with everything you’ve said – and I found that pretty funny.
        
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        February 13, 2019 5:12pm
    - starboard
      
      “Iris”..that is the funniest thing I have heard for a looooong time. I would imagine that is how morrissey and shariaboy talk.
      
      LOL !
      
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      February 13, 2019 5:42pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s a little scary actually. Is there a chance he gets to influence the data?
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:58pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Colmar Brunton should be worried about their staff being publicly political?
    
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    February 13, 2019 6:01pm
- Swifty
  
  Hahahahaha. What a hoot.
  
  Just listened to the whole interview.
  
  Iris was a disaster.
  
  Plunket was great and gave him just enough rope for poor young Iris to duly go and hang himself with.
  
  I encourage people to listen to it – it just shows what dorks and lightweights Auckland Peace Action really are.
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:47pm
  - The Heat
    
    What an utter mess.
    
    Perhaps they should first listen to Petersons arguments. Suggest making notes. Then try and counter them.
    
    What a spokesperson should avoid is to strongly oppose something someone may have misinterpreted, whilst being unclear as to what that might be, or who did the misinterpreting.
    
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    February 13, 2019 3:09pm
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      Or, keep your trap shut when you’ve been sprung planning to plant fake bombs in a cinema.
      
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      February 13, 2019 6:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        Classic.
        
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        February 13, 2019 6:42pm
kevn

@sc…. Just a paid agitator aka troublemaker.
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February 13, 2019 1:47pm
- secondcumming
  
  mate they wouldn’t want to be paying him much……what a moron!! 😎
  
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  February 13, 2019 1:51pm
Inandout

Is this the same Iris?

Iris (Wojtek) Krzyzosiak
Junior Data Scientist at Colmar Brunton, a Kantar Millward Brown company
Waikato, New Zealand
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February 13, 2019 2:04pm
- oob
  
  The photograph on LinkedIn:
  
  https://www.linkedin.com/in/iris-krzyzosiak-26407b122/
  
  Matches the bloke(?) on the far left of this photograph from APA’s FB:
  
  https://www.facebook.com/akpeaceaction/photos/rpp.1692232384371277/2207077819553395
  
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  February 13, 2019 3:36pm
  - Inandout
    
    Can’t believe Colmar Brunton associates with these ‘Peace Groups’.
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:09pm
    - oob
      
      A few years ago I attended a black-tie dinner at Colmar-Brunton, it might have been for the opening of a new facility on the Shore as they were touring people through it whilst the dinner was in a marque outside.
      
      Anyway it was a fine event but there were guests in attendance not in black-tie.
      
      And it’s not a great leap from there to employing smelly hippies.
      
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      February 13, 2019 4:47pm
      - Inandout
        
        Well I will take the next Colmar poll with even more grains of salt. Having an extreme left winger on your payroll is bound to skew the data.
        
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        February 13, 2019 6:04pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Isn’t is funny how quickly they systematically remove their social media feeds when the heat comes on (his LinkedIn profile has been deleted).
    
    No courage, no conviction.
    
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    February 14, 2019 12:26am
ex-golfer

Well, well, well – the Duck just gave the COL a ticking off for having 172 outstanding written questions that have not been replied to or addressed.
I recall towards the end of the 2018 sitting year he gave them a warning about their poor performance in answering written questions.
Seems his patience is wearing thin.

Of course Hipkins was to his feet crying “But its all Nationals fault wah, wah, waaaaaah!”
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February 13, 2019 2:08pm
- sooty
  
  It was all John Keys fault.
  Nine long years we were in oppersition and you want us to be on the ball over night!
  Rome was not build overnight, sunshine!
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:20pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Rome had competent contractors. We have Unionised, Safety Conscious, quadruple Supervised idiots to contend with – and that’s not the guys that actually do the work
    
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    February 13, 2019 3:52pm
- Inandout
  
  Boy Hipkins should get a real job, because he has never worked in his life.
  
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  February 13, 2019 4:10pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ardern lying. Just asked if her Ministers who visited China had meetings with their Chinese counterparts. Does not have that information. Parker stand and says he met with a Chinese counterpart – could the PM confirm? Yes she can. She either has the info or not.
Or did I get this wrong?
She is rattled sooo early
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February 13, 2019 2:21pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Yes – lying again- and rattled early.
  Will be interesting to see how long it takes before she is whisked off into witless protection.
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:24pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The thermonuclear meltdown is getting closer
    
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    February 13, 2019 2:33pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      She was probably hoping to escape to China for her meeting, but not any more!
      
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      February 13, 2019 6:27pm
- sooty
  
  The ministers went to China!
  But did they meet with the China Doll?
  How do we know who they met with?
  
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  February 13, 2019 2:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  Source for that claim?
  
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  February 13, 2019 4:03pm
  - sooty
    
    I keep telling you, do your own homework. Idiot!
    Why should people run around after you?
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Sooky, not good enough. Steve (North Shore) needs to go a step beyond where both of you have never been other than feeble claims and innuendo.
      
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      February 13, 2019 5:55pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You can talk about innuendo
        FakeNewsStephie
        Biggest liar on here
        
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        February 13, 2019 6:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        steffy is almost as big a liar as
        
        ardern the liar
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:57pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Hansard shithead
    
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    February 13, 2019 6:20pm
emmess

Looks like the Communist Chinese may be on the verge of recognising the new interim government in Venezuela before our very own Comrade Jacinda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9-fewDovU0
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February 13, 2019 2:25pm
Poppa

It seems the Reserve Bank has much more faith in this rabble of a Government than I do. He expects the local economy to grow well over the next 12 months

He must be consumed by fairy dust & wellness!!
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February 13, 2019 2:43pm
Maggie Pie

I just took a bit of time out from preparing diner to watch some of QT.
Fuor things struck me:
1. Judith is wearing a much softer make-up this year that really really suits her.
2. Amy’s glasses make her look very ‘granny like’
3. When Jamie-Lee (mutant toed) Ross stood to ask a question the whole of National turned around and gave him filthy looks.
4. No sign of Sarah D in the chamber?
This is all meant as constuctive criticism.
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February 13, 2019 2:54pm
- emmess
  
  But she refused to rule out a leadership challenge, saying instead: “I’m very clearly not ruling out anything.”
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/revealed-national-voters-prefer-judith-collins-to-simon-bridges/ar-BBTtcJK?li=BBSVtLJ
  
  Oh, it’s on like donkey kong
  
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  February 13, 2019 3:45pm
- Raniera
  
  Sarah Dowie was in the Chamber both yesterday and today. Her seat is directly behind Mark Mitchell’s, but I notice Alastair Scott was sitting in his seat today. (See https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/house-seating-plan/.)
  
  Dowie could be seen sitting behind Shane Reti’s left shoulder when he asked his question.
  
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  February 13, 2019 3:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thank you sooo much for that Rani 🙂
    She used to sit behind Mr Goldsmith and eye up Paula’s new figure whenever she stood to ask a question. That seating-plan link is very helpful for those of us who likwe to take an interest in procedings. Could you see what Sarah was wearing?
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:38pm
    - Raniera
      
      @ Maggie Pie
      
      Yes, I commented here when it was revealed that she was the MP who sent the early-morning text to Jami-Lee Ross, that, incredibly, she was still sitting behind Paula Bennett’s right shoulder (as at the end of last year). I’m delighted to see that she has been “demoted” to a more appropriate seat (although, by rights, she should be sharing JLR’s bench up the back).
      
      I’ve gone back through my recording of QT, but can’t tell you what she was wearing, other than that it was a dark/black top, and that she had her hair up. (The blue National Party box in front of her didn’t help, either.)
      
      Also, I noticed that Mark Mitchell left the Chamber about 2.40 p.m., at the start of Question 7, which is why Alastair Scott was sitting in it when Shane Reti asked his question (No. 9).
      
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      February 13, 2019 5:51pm
    - Raniera
      
      “Thank you sooo much for that Rani ?.”
      
      I forgot to say, you’re welcome.
      
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      February 13, 2019 5:57pm
    - Raniera
      
      Here you go, Maggie. Check this out: https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=204899.
      
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      February 13, 2019 6:12pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        WOW!! Thats just so fab of you 🙂
        (If I miss anything important on QT tomorrow I’ll leave another post here @ rani.)
        Have a lovely night.
        
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        February 13, 2019 6:55pm
rangitoto

No collusion. Time for them to investigate Killary.
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February 13, 2019 3:16pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Nobody has the balls. They want to stay alive
  
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  February 13, 2019 3:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  Time for them to investigate Killary
  
  The US President says this will not happen! There is nothing for her to answer for.
  
  As for the US President. Time will tell.
  
  Hmmm..
  
  Killery? Apart from infantile name calling?
  
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  February 13, 2019 4:01pm
  - rangitoto
    
    You will be happy that Glen Greenwald confirms the investigation into Trump is a dud.
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:05pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Nope. Greenwald was very anti-Hillary and Julian Assange’s wiki leaks.
      
      Also, like Trump prop Putin!
      
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      February 13, 2019 4:07pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    stephieboy
    
    Source for that claim?
    
    Lol
    Btw, the Senate Committee has cleared Trump.
    No evidence of collusion.
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:07pm
    - Inandout
      
      But Mueller has a murky history.
      
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      February 13, 2019 4:12pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Inanout, “murky history”
        
        Like what?
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Where has Trump said Hillary won’t be investigated?
        Source!
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red, not so!
      
      From the link below.
      
      Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia
      
      “We were never going to find a contract signed in blood saying, ‘Hey Vlad, we’re going to collude,'” one Democratic aide said…
      
      By many counts, Trump and his associates had more than 100 contacts with Russians before the January 2017 presidential inauguration.”
      
      “I’m not going to get into any conclusions I have,” he said, before adding that “there’s never been a campaign in American history … that people affiliated with the campaign had as many ties with Russia as the Trump campaign did…
      
      …Donald Trump Jr. made clear in his messages that he was willing to accept help from the Russians,” one Democratic Senate investigator said. “Trump publicly urged the Russians to find Clinton’s missing emails.”
      
      etc, etc, etc
      
      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress /senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between- trump-campaign-n970536
      
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      February 13, 2019 4:20pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ahahahahahah
        Your link says
        ‘Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia’
        
        You are so dumb
        And actually Trump said if the Russians had the emails they should release them
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Now THIS is evidence.
        Your own words
        PERVWATCH
        A division of Groperwatch
        Today we look at one of Kiwiblogs Biggest Creeps.
        Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY
        This sleezy creep has had Strikes for linking to porn sites on KB.
        ‘19,565 COMMENTS
        stephieboy
        Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
        Thumb up 7 Thumb down 36REPLY REPORTAUGUST 21, 2016 8:51AM’
        
        ‘Honeypots’!!!
        And this;
        Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
        Thumb up 1 Thumb down 16REPLY REPORTDECEMBER 3, 2015 2:26
        
        PERVWATCH is brought to you as a public service to out the creeps amongst us.
        Stephieboy is Pervert #1
        
        LOL
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:25pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red,
        
        Worth repeating and will haunt Trump till his dying days ,
        
        “Donald Trump Jr. made clear in his messages that he was willing to accept help from the Russians,” one Democratic Senate investigator said. “Trump publicly urged the Russians to find Clinton’s missing emails.”
        
        PS Seek help for your fixation and mania!
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:35pm
      - stephieboy
        
        July 27, 2016: Trump publicly asked Russia to find Hillary’s emails. They acted within hours.
        
        Apparently, Russia was listening.
        
        https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/13/17569264/mueller-indictment-trump-russia-email-hack
        
        Guilty as sin!
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thats not evidence Pervertboy
        It’s just opinion and accusation.
        
        Senate Intel Committee: “NO COLLUSION FOUND”.
        
        Stephie:WHO KNOWS?”
        
        Senate Intel: “No, really. There was no collusion”.
        
        Stephie: QUESTIONS REMAIN!”
        
        Senate Intel: “No, they don’t”.
        
        Stephie:COMMITTEE UNCLEAR!”
        
        Lol
        Btw, thanks for confirming Hillary destroyed her hard drives containing the emails when that info had been subpoenaed
        Which is a CRIME
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:43pm
      - Inandout
        
        Mueller is a crook.
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:43pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “Guilty as sin!”
        
        Yep. Killary should be locked up for keeping her emails on an unauthorised server, easily hacked by the Russians. Thank goodness we have Trump who stands up to Putin. Toughest president on the Russians since the cold war ended.
        
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        February 13, 2019 4:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s funny isn’t it.
        The Senate interviewed 200 witnesses and viewed over 300,000 documents but Stephie is convinced by innuendo from Vox!
        
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        February 13, 2019 5:03pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Mueller a crook?
        
        Says whom?
        
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        February 13, 2019 5:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie
        Where has Trump said Hillary won’t be investigated?
        Source!
        Telling lies again eh
        
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        February 13, 2019 6:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Infantile name calling…burps,,,
    
    that wouldn’t be you steffy girl would it coz you love ardern the liar and she just loves “kindness” except she doesn’t really does she because
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:52pm
srylands

This is fucking shocking. These dogs should be killed and the owners jailed. This shit has been happening forever.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/northland/110556831/northland-man-95-attacked-by-dogs-again-after-beloved-dog-was-killed
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February 13, 2019 3:38pm
- Longknives
  
  One wonders what the breed of these mutts who are terrorising the Suburb are?
  Labrador? Border Collie??
  
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  February 13, 2019 3:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Morgan recently lost his dog Sandy after they were attacked by a pack of pig dogs in December 2018. It was the second attack the pair had experienced.”
    
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    February 13, 2019 4:09pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yeah, so what breed were they?
      
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      February 13, 2019 4:43pm
      - secondcumming
        
        Kuri.
        
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        February 13, 2019 5:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Probably a Staffy mongrel
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/02/dog-that-allegedly-attacked-95yo-northland-man-impounded.html
        
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        February 13, 2019 5:18pm
      - nasska
        
        A mate has the meanest pack of pig dogs I’ve ever come across. So bad they I wouldn’t let him release them off his ute until my working dogs were locked up.
        
        50% greyhound, 25% bull mastiff & God knows what else. Good pig dogs are killers.
        
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        February 13, 2019 6:50pm
      - Swifty
        
        The last staffy-boxer cross I ran I gave, as a two year old, to a mate in Wainuioru.
        
        His last estimate was that that mutt accounted for over 300 pigs – mostly out in Ngaumu.
        
        Smart and tough.
        
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        February 13, 2019 7:15pm
      - nasska
        
        I never really got into pig hunting though my son’s mad keen on it. Trouble is that many people don’t work out that a dog capable of ripping a live boar apart is not exactly what you want playing with your kids or running around the streets.
        
        I’ve got a thing against terriers as a breed. Fox, Jack Russell, Staffordshire or Pit Bull, whatever. They’re hard to train & can turn in an instant.
        
        No-one worries about being savaged by a Foxie but when the bigger breeds lose the plot anything can happen & often does.
        
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        February 13, 2019 7:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        Staffies (Staffordshire bull terriers) were recently voted Britain’s favourite dog breed, and their nick name is the “nanny dog,” because they are good family pets.
        
        Generally they’re too small for pig dogs, aren’t they? Staffy crosses, as Maggy suggests, are a possibility for hunting though.
        
        Owners of in-trouble pitbulls sometimes mis-identify their dogs as Staffies because their pitbulls were supposed to have been muzzled. If you don’t know dogs it’s easy to confuse Staffies and pitbulls.
        
        Pitbulls themselves can be safe, even gentle pets. A favourite dog in my suburb is a big, gentle pitbull-cross seen often out walking with the Mum of the family with her small children, including one in a pushchair.
        
        The NZ Vetinerary Association advocates a broad dog-control system, rather than classifying dogs by breed. The system would include:
        
        – Earlier identification of potentially dangerous dogs based on their actions, not breed; with both the dogs and their owners subject to increasingly stringent conditions.
        
        – Consideration of the context in which the “aggressive” behaviour occurred.
        
        – A rehabilitation pathway for dogs identified as potentially dangerous and allowing for the classification to be rescinded after three years, following behaviour assessment and training.
        
        – Mandatory behaviour testing for dogs classified as “potentially dangerous” or “dangerous” at the owner’s expense.
        
        – Behaviour assessment by an independent authorised person.
        
        The vets say this would reduce expenses associated with objections, and guard against unjustified euthanasia.
        
        https://www.nzva.org.nz/page/policydangerousdogs
        
        British opinion of Staffies:
        
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6647361/Staffordshire-Bull-Terrier-named-Britains-favourite-dog-ITV-Britians-100-dogs.html
        
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        February 13, 2019 8:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops and sorry, mis-spelled “Veterinary”. ?
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:11pm
  - DigNap15
    
    No, probably bichons or poodles!
    
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    February 13, 2019 7:08pm
- Inandout
  
  A $100 million Shane Bones fund should fix the problem.
  
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  February 13, 2019 4:15pm
- oob
  
  Maori dog ownership is the problem.
  
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  February 13, 2019 5:16pm
  - kowtow
    
    Sorry mate but there’s a shit load of irresponsible dog owners , all colours ,classes and creeds and councils are shit at their legal duties licensing and controlling , that’s why it’s a problem.
    
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    February 13, 2019 6:18pm
Monique Watson

Well well well. Who’da thunk?

We pissed China off royally. Anyone who thinks that flight that was turned back by China to Auckers needs their head read. Including Comrade Ardern.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12203566
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February 13, 2019 5:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  Monique Watson, the same passengers from the said flight resumed their flight to Shanghai later in the day 11.00pm
  
  No silly PM conspiracy or cock up. It was Air New Zealand’s.
  
  Sigh!
  
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  February 13, 2019 6:16pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Sure thing SB. Of course it was just tourists on the plane, right? No-one of note?
    
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    February 13, 2019 6:23pm
    - pentwig
      
      MWatson
      Please do not ask stoopidthing hard questions.
      It is only here as a squirrel and is brainless.
      But you know that I guess.Silly me.
      Cheers
      
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      February 13, 2019 7:47pm
      - Monique Watson
        
        Thanks for the reminder. Duh me.
        Doesn’t know how to put two and two together. Let alone putting together the timeline of a multilayered international event.
        
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        February 13, 2019 8:41pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Mention being screwed by a billy goat and she’ll be all over you… won’t you steffy girl.
        
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        February 13, 2019 9:43pm
Viking2

Lived in Tauranga now for over 45 years and today is the hottest that I can ever remember.
32 degrees most the afternoon and still 31 just now.
Just about the driest I can recall with the likes of clover and other grass just completely brown.

Better than the gold coast.
But the sea’s have been massive for the last few days as well. suspect the beaches will be a bit scoured out.
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February 13, 2019 6:03pm
- Inandout
  
  15 April 1940 the Auckland weather was so hot people were swimming. I remember in the 1980s swimming at Takapuna Beach in early April and the water was tepid.
  
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  February 13, 2019 6:28pm
- wiseowl
  
  Obviously global warming.
  Death and destruction, sea level rise, flooding, fires likely, plan to retreat.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nah, you just give lots of your money and I’ll fix it for ya.
    
    I’ll come round and smash your fucking thermometer…now that’s got to be easier than giving our money to ardern the liar to waste…..
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:42pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I was in Tauranga today. It was hot! Not a cloud in the sky all day, not even a wisp around the Kaimais. Just as hot in the Waikato when we got home.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:19pm
dog_eat_dog

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/382377/fomer-rnz-chairman-won-t-be-prosecuted-over-voicemail

Anyone want to tell us Radio NZ is neutral now? There are no consequences for the Wellingpolitik.
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February 13, 2019 6:10pm
- dog_eat_dog
  
  Seriously I’m busy AF tomorrow, can someone make sure this leads General Debate?
  
  It’s good to know this is how you get out of providing potentially incriminating disclosures to select committees: you just don’t do it. If you’re covering the right arse, someone will cover yours.
  
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  February 13, 2019 6:40pm
Nostradamus

Call for Airbnb crackdown to target investors, holiday homes in Western Australia

WA’s biggest tourism lobby group has called for a crackdown on Airbnb, pushing for a ban on the use of residential properties for tourist accommodation unless someone is living there.

That “unless someone is living there” has a bit of a sting to it. Here’s why:

Tourism Council chief executive Evan Hall called on the State Government to crack down on Airbnb listings that did not serve as somebody’s primary residence, a move that would target people whose investment or holiday properties were put up on the site.

So you have a beachside home. You spend some of your holidays there. The rest of the year it sits empty unless you rent it out. But the Tourism Council thinks that you shouldn’t be allowed to rent it out during the rest of the year.

Mr Hall said the listing of residential properties on Airbnb had done nothing to boost tourism, claiming it had hurt traditional accommodation providers and cost thousands of jobs because different rules meant properties listed on the site were often available more cheaply. “That means visitors are spending less money in Western Australia,” he said.

So, putting this argument another way, the Tourism Council wants tourists to spend more to stay in hotels! This has “vested interest” written all over it, despite his attempt to dress it up as some sort of housing market issue.
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February 13, 2019 7:15pm
- Swifty
  
  Evolve. Or die.
  
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  February 13, 2019 7:17pm
oob

In relation to Huawei, who else knows what I know about Spark’s cellular encryption keys?
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February 13, 2019 7:19pm
- Nostradamus
  
  oob:
  
  who else knows what I know
  
  Ok. So, taking this slowly and one step at a time, if you tell us what you know, then we’ll tell you if we know too. But if you tell us what you know, then even if we didn’t know previously, we’ll know after you’ve told us. So, either way, we’ll tell you that we know what you know. And hopefully you’ll now know what we know 🙂
  
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  February 13, 2019 7:22pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Now that’s just far too logical.
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:31pm
Komata

I may have missed it, but has anyone information about the ‘Spot of bother’ at a Select Committee on Health Expenditure hearing this morning when National (citing Standing Orders) apparently walked out because the CoL were evidently too slow (lazy?) to get enough members for a quorum?

The CoL (perhaps typically) are blaming the Nats for the fiasco, despite it being a direct result of their (CoL) ‘s own actions.

Does anyone know more?
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February 13, 2019 7:24pm
- wiseowl
  
  Gay boy having a baybee coffee, was sick and didnt turn up.
  
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  February 13, 2019 7:59pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Apparently, that is basically it, but the media are questioning National on why they failed to run the select committee when they should be questioning the COL MP’s on why they did not show up for work on the committee as required.
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:30pm
  - sooty
    
    Gay boy having morning sickness?
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:53pm
RF

Almost smashed my TV screen with a glass of scotch.

Seven Sharp had a contestant from the UK Chase and one of the questions asked by Jeremy Wells was

…… The Prime Ministers husband has a TV fishing program. Please name it.

FFS …. husband. He is just a serial bed warming boyfriend with no ties. How crass.

Time for another scotch.
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February 13, 2019 7:26pm
- Nostradamus
  
  RF:
  
  I don’t know what the TV programme is called. Is it “Jaws” (celebrating his assocation with Jacinda)? Or perhaps “Deep Sea Lawnmowers”?
  
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  February 13, 2019 7:28pm
  - nasska
    
    Is there any truth to the rumour that his new fishing show’s going to be called “Snapper & Me”? 🙂
    
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    February 13, 2019 7:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Vacuum my Rod”…..
      
      “Hoover my Hook”….
      
      “Tellus about your Tail”….
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:26pm
- Tall Man
  
  I’ll have a double…..I fucking need it.
  
  Do yourself a favour, sign up for Netflix.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:23pm
sbk

Full term abortions…Geez,fucking Murder…A Democratic initiative…but that has always been the case with socialist causes and governments.Despite all there rhetoric ,they have had no trouble in eradicating..Russia,China to prove a point…I suppose its better to get them early and save the expenxe of a bullet…oh wait,,.someone told me that the Chinese Government charges the offenders family/ estate for the cost of the bullet?

I sorry if this offend’s some,but if you are that fucking stupid,not to wear a condom or take other basic
measures…you probably deserve it.There is simply no excuses anymore.If you are genetically dissposed to,
or your baby has problems,medical science has improved to the point that,that it can tell you.
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February 13, 2019 7:37pm
Happychappy

Does anyone know why a breaking news story from a NZ Business Man in China talking about why their President and other top officials were angry with the NZ Government has been withdrawn from MSM.
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February 13, 2019 7:59pm
DigNap15

Does anyone know why the MSM did not show clips of Simon speaking in reply to Ardern’s SON speech?
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February 13, 2019 8:19pm
- madamezucchininz
  
  …..this evening on News Hub…..three stories…..one after the other making Labour look like Liars…..Frauds…..incompetent and ….oh no…..Bullies…..first up….Ardern breaks very first promise as Labour Leader…….Hipkins vs Mallard over unanswered questions some going back to May….the number being 172…..and thirdly….Winston accused of bullying….speech not well received in social media…worth the read….YAY….finally
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:26pm
  - stephieboy
    
    What do you expect from Daily Mail Tabloid type TV?
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      But you like the Daily Mail
      You’ve often linked to articles from there
      I guess most of the time you just look at the pictures though eh dirty boy
      
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      February 13, 2019 8:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      I saw it on the telly so it must be true..
      
      How about that steffy, it was on the telly, you know, ardern the liar’s daily briefing site..
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      who would have thought?
      
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      February 13, 2019 9:24pm
  - sooty
    
    But stephie, you are always quoting them.
    Have you seen the light?
    Because we don’t want you!
    Piss off back were you come from!
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15 , who outside KB’s rabid right bubble chamber actually cares.
  
  Seriously!
  
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  February 13, 2019 8:28pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Who actually cares steffie? I think the Colmar Brunton poll will indicate somewhere around 51%.
    
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    February 13, 2019 8:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    New Zealand is seeing that, her days in the house are coming to an end.
    
    I guess when you back a liar you really have no credibility do you steffy and yet you woinder why you are despised…
    
    you are despicable and
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 13, 2019 9:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  Arseholes?
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:19pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Your own sheep dags?
    
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    February 13, 2019 10:45pm
Viking2

The first promise Jacinda Ardern made as Labour leader looks to have gone up in smoke.

During her first big public outing as leader during the election, she promised rail for all – including a line from the Auckland waterfront to Dominion Rd to Mount Roskill, all to be completed by 2021.

The promise was part of a $15 billion package and came with a plea from Ms Ardern – she needed cash to fund it.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/jacinda-ardern-breaks-the-first-promise-she-made-as-labour-leader.html?fbclid=IwAR2BFlhKqqtfta3WWufxgnW0_WpPyg6rkzxeXUFVs1pyVjJ1eW32qxqpk28

On Wednesday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford admitted the Government would fail to build light rail down Dominion Rd by 2021. Instead, he only expects work to start on it next year.

However the Government isn’t counting it as a broken promise.

what a bunch of fucking useless incapable lying arseholes.
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February 13, 2019 8:57pm
- Tall Man
  
  Ask marquess and the other numbnuts….
  
  It’ll be so full of bullshit you’ll need to sanitise your pc.
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:14pm
  - RF
    
    Labour is so full of fucking liars from top to bottom.
    
    Even ole mumble lips Peters would not know the truth if it bit him on the arse.
    
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    February 14, 2019 8:53am
- Wired-one
  
  I love this part, “Mr Twyfords defense is that promises made by Jacinda Ardern as Labour leader, are completely different from promises made by Jacinda as Prime Minster”. Fuck me how Labour gets any vote astounds me. What the hell is wrong with this country!!
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:44pm
  - The Heat
    
    Half the country are brainwashed, gullible morons. That IQ bell curve is a killer.
    
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    February 14, 2019 8:26am
- stephieboy
  
  As though the promise weighed heavily on the minds of voters!
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:53pm
Monique Watson

There’s an International incident breaking. Is why. Or there is some bias to the news. Could be.
Who didn’t get back on that flight to Shanghai?
Why was DPS hanging around at the time of the re-departure?
Why is it alleged that China is annoyed at the reference to Taiwan instead of Taipei on filed flightdocs?
Or why is AirNZ putting the word out this is so?
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February 13, 2019 9:03pm
- oob
  
  Or why is AirNZ putting the word out this is so?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104936906/labours-general-secretary-understood-to-be-taking-new-job-with-air-nz
  
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  February 13, 2019 9:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Monique Watson,
  
  Who didn’t get back on that flight to Shanghai?
  Why was DPS hanging around at the time of the re-departure?,
  
  Conspiracy La La land stuff. As explained rescheduled flight departed 11.00pm same day with all, I understand, the original passenger s
  
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  February 13, 2019 10:49pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    No it was the next day shit f’r brains, and a lot of onwards connections were missed. Just fuck off, you’re an inconsequential loser.
    
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    February 13, 2019 11:31pm
Jack5

For crazy link of the night, New Zealander on helium playing a trumpet.

https://youtu.be/iy-gb7Ns3e8
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February 13, 2019 11:22pm
Scooter

Why are there no interviews with the passengers on the plane, surely something as major as turning back to NZ after 5 hours is worthy of comment from those on board, cover up much?
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February 14, 2019 12:00am
- Monique Watson
  
  Ayup. Does the “plot” look thick to anyone else. As far as I can ascertain. There is about three layers of coverup.
  One: denial of diplomatic implication by The Prinzess herself. Bullshit. You don’t dispatch a Dreamliner without authorization from the receiving aviation authority between International Terminals. This is international practice since 9/11 when some commenters here were in Grade school. Fact.
  Five hours until the Dreamliner was given the order to turn around. That was a big window. Ninety minutes would have sufficed.
  Once the administrative error was flogged to death, the parties involved have another layer to resort to. That China is flexing its muscle and enforcing incoming flight path documents to scratch any references to Taiwan that could be taken as foreign countries viewing Taiwan as an Independent State. Convoluted to say the least. This has been picked up on by the Enquirer the Guardian.
  
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