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Karel Sroubek.

Just want to keep this lowlifes name out there.
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January 8, 2019 8:01am
- oldgolfer
  
  Oh, it’s word association: Iain Lees-Galloway.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:03am
  - starboard
    
    Ok, I’ll play…inept.
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:04am
    - sooty
      
      corruption!
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:07am
    - Longknives
      
      Hardcore!
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:10am
      - lifesgood
        
        Lawnmowers, fisherman SLG
        
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        January 8, 2019 8:14am
      - sooty
        
        By election!
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:35am
  - igm
    
    Do not forget Jethro — he who has a penchant for lawnmowers!
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:19am
    - KiWombat
      
      I wonder whether he has ever been audited? Surely a single individual who is able to sell countless Kg’s of lawnmower should be considered a business, and subject to tax?
      
      Personally, I don’t care what brand of lawnmower he is selling, as long as he is paying tax on his enterprise !
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:36am
    - Komata
      
      igm
      
      And ‘is other arf who admits she also knows a few salesmen…
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:09am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Oh, it’s word association: Iain Lees-Galloway
    
    I thought it was Ian Lies-Galloway.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:10am
    - Biscuit
      
      Ian Hides-Behind-Pillars-Galloway
      
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      January 8, 2019 10:28am
- dad4justice
  
  Don’t you mean Jan Antolik ?
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:03am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    No Dad; his real name is Karel Sroubek. He “obtained” a passport in the name of Antolik to travel to New Zealand.
    
    Of course when that matter went to Court, the “learned” judge decided he was just misunderstood, and not a criminal at all, and discharged him without conviction.
    
    Now us taxpayers are paying for his board and food at one of Her Majesty’s fine prisons, and we will also be picking up the legal costs for enforcing the revokation of his visa, and his eventual deportantion, just as we have with the Large German Gentleman.
    
    As with the earlier post about Shane Jones’ taxpayer funded re-election slush fund, we taxpayers are generous buggers eh!
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:55am
    - oldpark
      
      Keeping Stock.
      think i heard recently that most ‘Judges’ are just failed tin pot Lawyers with Whigs. Appears a very good assessment ,as many many so called sentences of violent criminals and baby killers and drug running gangsters get treated like poor wee babes in the woods ,or is it little lambs who have lost their way.Maybe the Judges are more culpable than the criminals,having lost their ways in sentencing.
      Also could be the directive from the Peters selected out of control sickos who are at the moment in charge of NZs well being. Yes reminds me of the type of decision made by Peters.
      Peters compromised his beliefs and now we see the results.
      To quote Sir Thomas More who said. “When statesman forsake their own private conscience for the sake of their public duties,they lead their country by a short route to chaos”.
      Yes a sad sad indictment of Peters who daily lives the betrayal of NZedders and his loyal supporters.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:38am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        My thoughts are that Judges get immune to what they see and hear and so whereas Joe and Joesses think hell that crim should do X years the Judge sees it as just another day at the office and passes a sentence they know wont be appealed.
        
        Because another thought of mine is that Judges don’t like to get appealed. Its like getting called to the Head Masters study and told off for being a naughty boy or girl.
        
        And then we have the Left Wing influence on the Bench IMHO they means that soft sentences are the order of the day also to go with the Governments wish to spend as little ( no pun intended) as possible locking crims up.
        
        So all in all the citizens don’t get the justice they want just a legal system that suits the Judiciary and the Government.
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:25am
      - Paulus
        
        Judges have been told to go easy as there are not enough prison beds available.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:05am
      - calendar girl
        
        The present Government wants to ‘virtue signal’ by reducing the total number of prison cells & beds in New Zealand.
        
        Most New Zealanders want to see serious criminals locked away for lengthy periods. As usual, our COL Government wants to do the exact opposite of what its voters / citizens expect. Ardern’s administration are enemies of the people; like most lefties, they are ‘soft on crime’.
        
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        January 8, 2019 2:44pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        Yet judges are prepared to push the limits of the law and invoke “exceptional circumstances” to let off everyone who comes up for sentencing under 3 strikes. They are clearly not interpreting the law as written in a balanced way or playing it safe to avoid appeal. They are pushing to the very limits of what the law will allow in the direction of letting people off.
        
        I think judges are just a bunch of wets who are soft on criminals.
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:22pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Judges are sick jokes.
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:25pm
      - igm
        
        If judges are tin pot failed lawyers, what in hell are Peters and Little?
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:41pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Yeah! Let’s hope Nats digging deep over holiday break & return with real fire in belly.
  Read this and weep :
  Sroubek’s parents say he is being punished twice for the same breach of prison rules
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109778213/sroubeks-parents-say-he-is-being-punished-twice-for-the-same-breach-of-prison-rules?cid=app-android
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:12am
  - Longknives
    
    NZ Media have clearly been ordered to portray Sroubek as some kind of ‘Victim’.
    There is also the school of thought that they may try to use him as the ‘Poster Boy’ for Drug reform…
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:20am
    - calendar girl
      
      No!!!
      
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      January 8, 2019 2:46pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Accident that the journalist was there of course, I wonder which one?
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:26pm
  - igm
    
    Maybe WO have done a bit of digging and adopted a new attitude to National:
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/01/slack-on-bridges/
    Was astounded to see this.
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:21am
    - john1234
      
      Their blogger ‘Christie’ has always been on that track. Of the multitude of bloggers there she’s only one worth reading.
      Slater himself has not been blogging for about a month. According to some he had a stroke, but the WO site itself hasn’t mentioned or explained his absence.
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:57am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I’ve heard the same thing, from someone who was formerly quite close to Slater. It may also have something to do with recent legal proceedings.
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:15am
      - pdm
        
        Yes john1234 Christie is usually very good with thought provoking balanced contributions.
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:28am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I don’t read WO anymore and haven’t for some time…. but I wouldn’t wish a stroke on anyone.
        
        If Cam has had a stroke, then that’s a real bummer and I hope he recovers soon.
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:58am
      - peterwn
        
        AFAIK he has not posted since the Judge told him to take down part of a posting at the start of the Bloomfield v Slater trial. He has made a few brief comments on other postings. He also has the lawsuits brought by the health professionals yet to come. There has been no MSM reporting of the Bloomfield trial.
        
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        January 8, 2019 6:53pm
  - KevOB
    
    Tough: Sroubek is a convicted drug importer and in prison. He is under authority. It surprises me that he is allowed a phone.
    Has he privileges not available to others?
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:28am
    - pdm
      
      Does he too have the PM’s direct number?
      
      Has that question been asked?
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:47am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Prisons have pay phones, and inmates need phone cards to use them.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:16am
      - sooty
        
        Just happened to ring a mate, who had a mate that was visiting. Who is also a journalist? Dodgy!
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:38am
      - KevOB
        
        Next they’ll be able to ring lawyers about food rashioning or unsuitable bedding. Could even run a blog that way.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:18am
      - lifesgood
        
        He needs a phone to keep his lawn mower business going so that he can have a reasonable income when he leaves prison. (sarc)
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:20pm
    - peterwn
      
      He was using the prison phone system available to all inmates. They have to pay pay-phone rates for calls and are limited to 10 approved numbers. He called an approved friend and a journo happened to be with his so they had a chat in breach of prison discipline rules.
      
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      January 8, 2019 2:38pm
      - Liberty
        
        “called an approved friend and a journo happened to be “
        How very convenient a Journo just happen to be at his friends place.
        Obviously someone in corrections showed some initiative.
        And read between the lines.
        
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        January 8, 2019 4:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Nats were questioning ILG whether Sroubek’s mother was applying for residency.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108911600/national-questions-immigration-minister-about-residency-for-sroubeks-mother
    
    IIRC, it was Sroubek’s mother that sent the consignment of Fruit Juices (in which drugs were found) to NZ.
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:28am
    - marcw
      
      She also admitted sending the electrical hand tool with a replacement shipping container security device hidden inside – this was intended to deceive the bonded store/ customs that the container was unopened when it had been. It was only a sharp-eyed inspector who picked up the slight seal identification number discrepancy that exposed their plan.
      
      Why this woman was even allowed a visitor’s visa to come here is itself worthy of a corruption investigation of immigration/border control staff in my opinion.
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:51am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘Why this woman was even allowed a visitor’s visa to come here…’
        
        We’re a ridiculously soft touch. Despite all those convictions and his passport scam , Zouai was allowed to stay.
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:30am
      - toby1845
        
        Hopefully the murderer that KS is sharing a cell with will do us all a favour.
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think it will be very very bad for this Government if any harm befell Mr Sroubek or his ex-wife.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:08am
    - Inandout
      
      Maggy, you must realise that certain drugs reach the very top of our society. One of South America’s most notorious and exceedingly wealthy drug lords said he could reach almost anyone in power, and be given favours. Our cocaine trail is no different, and just maybe why our Opposition is jittery about lifting too much carpet.
      
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      January 8, 2019 2:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I am well aware of the reach of drugs.
        I suspect most NZers have no idea about the interconnections of the East European drug Czars.
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:05pm
  - tf78
    
    To quote the best thing Helen Clark ever said “diddums”.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:12am
  - backster
    
    He must have had influence in high places to get into the cushy residence in the first place. How a hells Angel drug importers gets low risk classification in the first place defies logic. Sir Kimball will weep crocodile tears at the news of him having to do penance.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:55am
    - KevOB
      
      Sroubek get smellier by the hour. There are too many favours evident. The probability that he has influence is approaching unity. Drugs/money = influence.
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:24am
- howzit
  
  I think there are plenty more questions coming to the long faced one about our captive Czech.
  
  Someone will squeal. If half the rumours are true, and my vine is certainly providing the whispers that there is more to come, then we should see more of the shifty Ardern at Q time upon its return.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:25am
  - igm
    
    howzit: There are a few very interesting stories being leaked around . . . even some interesting views from a few fringe crims.
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:34am
    - howzit
      
      It seems too many know something for this to blow over any time soon. Perhaps it may even cause an early election. What are the odds of that now…
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:43am
      - kloyd0306
        
        Given that the CoL’s willing accomplices in the media combined with an apathetic and uninquisitive public, those odds are not good.
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:56am
  - Komata
    
    howzit
    
    re: ‘…We should see more of the shifty Ardern at Q time upon its return’.
    
    Won’t it also be more ‘flomping’; the ‘0-200 km/h in one second’ sitting-down, when cornered or angry ‘cos the questions aren’t to her liking?
    
    The phrase ‘Terminal Velocity’ does take on a whole new meaning in such circumstances…
    
    She DOES seem to have perfected her technique though; perhaps because of frequent practice in the latter part of last year…
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:22am
    - sooty
      
      Bout time she fronted up and did some work!
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:40am
    - howzit
      
      I thought it was the downward pressure created every time mallard flaps his wings with interference
      
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      January 8, 2019 10:43am
    - RF
      
      Frankly my dear… I don’t give a damn.
      
      On yer bike Ardern.
      
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      January 8, 2019 7:43pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Where is NSF to tell us the courts got it wrong and its’s all a miscarriage of justice?
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:37am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I think the voters have moved on.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:47am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The polls would indicate that Muttonbird. They certainly seem to have “moved on” from supporting the Greens and Winston First.
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:57am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Ah, the eternal wishful “thinking” of the terminally deluded lefty votertard.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The voters can always be reminded that hard drugs are killing nice young visitors to our shores.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109733132/man-charged-after-death-of-american-woman-in-christchurch
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:20am
    - sooty
      
      Was he a lawnmower salesman?
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:42am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Not sure.. Straight after the Young American’s death, McGirr was prosecuted with breaching the conditions of a supervision order…
        “It is unclear what the supervision order relates to.”
        https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/the-press/20181126/281668256028573
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:11am
  - Than
    
    If nothing else comes out about this, then I’d agree this will be long forgotten by election time.
    
    However I think you’re being optimistic if you believe there is nothing more to come out on this issue, or that people will just ignore it if it does.
    
    There are plenty of rumours swirling around, and National are clearly not going to give up on looking into this. I don’t for one instant believe Jacinda Ardern’s claim she had never heard of Sroubek before this hit the headlines, and if National can find something that proves this that would put a big dent in her credibility.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:33am
    - KevOB
      
      Apologies for the accidental downtick.
      
      Ardern skates over words with the best of them. She may not have known Sroubek but what about Jan Antolik?
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:32am
      - toby1845
        
        That’s a very good point….and one which gives National another line of questioning.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:18pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      “There are plenty of rumours swirling around, and National are clearly not going to give up on looking into this. I don’t for one instant believe Jacinda Ardern’s claim she had never heard of Sroubek before this hit the headlines, and if National can find something that proves this that would put a big dent in her credibility.” – Absolute comedy!! Good laugh bro – for two reasons (a) Expecting National to do something (b) Expecting Tooth Fairy to be caught so easily….Good laugh for a Tuesday!
      
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      January 8, 2019 7:04pm
- Huevon
  
  National needs to keep up the pressure. Ardern is thin skinned so may crack. I understand there are also photos from a wedding that would be in the public interest for us to see.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:49am
  - lifesgood
    
    What amazes me, though, is that although we are all speculating on here about the so called rumours swirling around, nothing has come out yet. Surely someone would have squealed by now. He must have enemies.
    
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    January 8, 2019 12:25pm
  - igm
    
    You sure hit the nail on the head. Best be careful, caretaker senior plod will take umbrage with consequences prevailing!
    
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    January 8, 2019 3:43pm
- RF
  
  Ardern the liar…
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:52am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Read between the lines…
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:59am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Keep at it bro. He could be your local Labour MP in another five years.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:16am
Longknives

Jesus Wept!
Labour and their adoring Media are at it with the ‘SuperGran’ stories again…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/109535977/how-the-pms-greatgreat-grandmother-proves-endurance-events-are-nothing-new

I actually think that we will one day soon see a story about ‘Dear Leader’ Jacinda’s first ever round of Golf.
38 under par and five holes in one!
Anyone willing to bet against it??
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January 8, 2019 8:05am
- Poppa
  
  Maybe Rocket Man will invite her to his place to play
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:09am
  - sooty
    
    On the front end of his rocket!!!!!
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:11am
    - dubya
      
      He can have his pick of haggard, starved looking peasant girls, why would he want ours?
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:02am
      - sooty
        
        Has there been a woman in space before?
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:43am
- KevOB
  
  I can beat that with 144.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:34am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  “Joseph’s obituary noted that he had completed 1000 miles in 1000 hours three times, each hour completing no more than a mile. That doesn’t sound like much – how hard is to get through one mile? But think of the sleep deprivation? Every hour you have to get up and do it again.”
  
  So there’s a family history of pointlessness then?
  
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  January 8, 2019 12:21pm
sooty

Model Jess Quinn is to take a partition to parliament to stop photo shopping bodies.
Well, that’s not going to fly is it!
After all the Labour leaders have all been photo shopped to make them selves look better and up to 30yrs younger!
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January 8, 2019 8:07am
- auckwood
  
  Case in point I can still remember having a wtf moment wondering why Aunty Helen’s billboard had the photo shopped smile treatment….
  
  Then again, it was more believable than anything coming out of the SLG’s mouth at any time
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:48am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed Auckwood – there was this infamous photo of the “real” Helen Clark standing in front of one of her billboards; spot the difference!
    
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1smbl3WCNUmRcoErPTdh5j0CgUjYpB3r8
    
    Public Health Warning: Put down your drink, and swallow any food in your mouth before clicking on the link 😀
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:01am
    - tf78
      
      Crone comes to mind.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:31am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Thank you for the post. I’ve not vomitted like that since I had the pu-pu platter at the Royal Golden Horse takeaways in Otara.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:28am
    - kowtow
      
      A just dessert for frequenting non halal infidel establishment.
      
      For your punishment you may beat your eldest wife and spank your youngest she servant on the bottom.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:44am
- Inandout
  
  And I learn that Jacinda Adern encouraged Jess to start a petition, you know that famously altered woman, Jethro and baby on the pages of Aussie W Weekly. The hypocrisy is screamingly obvious.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:59am
- The Heat
  
  W.T.F
  
  Stop photoshopping? On the basis is it is “not real”?
  
  Ho ho. How about stopping “flattering lighting”. And makeup. And pretty much the entire entertainment industry.
  
  Of all the truly stupid Millennial first world problems to moan about, this one hits new heights….
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:55am
  - dubya
    
    If I were a woman, I would object more to the requirement to slap 150 microns of assorted chemicals on my face every day, than to someone touching up my face on a computer.
    
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    January 8, 2019 3:14pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  ? Petition, I was wondering what was being carved up?
  
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  January 9, 2019 6:16am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Typing Day to you all.
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January 8, 2019 8:09am
- VicParking
  
  Happy National Bubble bath Day
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:34am
- SGA
  
  Happy World Typing Day to you all
  
  Thnaks vrey mcuh!
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:53am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    World Typo Day is not for some time. In fact, it is only celebrated in leapt years.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:32am
  - Komata
    
    So let’s see..
    
    If it takes (say) two seconds to type the word ‘world’ (‘cos it is, after all , ‘World’ typing day), and there are 86400 seconds in a day,
    
    What does one do with all the ‘Worlds’ that one has typed?
    
    Are they sent to a particular address so that they can be counted and creditted to an account for some good purpose (preferrably your own) or are they returned for correction or…
    
    And if you use a computer and generate 86401 ‘worlds’ will that be held against you (if only for five seconds)?
    
    These are important questions.
    
    Do you think the SLG (or even the UN; since they are interested in all sorts of ‘worlds’ – even ‘typed’ ones) will convene a comittee to consider them?
    
    One has to ask.
    
    (Where’s John Campbell when you need him?)
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:34am
    - Biscuit
      
      John is busy in front of his mirror(s) perfecting his Lookety-Have-You-Ever-Seen-a-More-Earnest? person look.
      
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      January 8, 2019 10:32am
secondcumming

My father-in-law quite rightly asks……

“What the fuck would *Pinetree* have made of this?”

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsUHpFxg7Ap/

[I have long been of the opinion, that something *very strange* has happened to the male population of Christchurch since those devastating earthquakes]
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January 8, 2019 8:09am
- MT_Tinman
  
  From Drury in the Counties Manukau region, just south of Auckland. He attended Opaheke Primary and Rosehill College.
  
  Recently realigned with Counties.
  
  ’tain’t Canterbury causing this but the shit-hole much further north.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:17am
  - VicParking
    
    There is the Answer, Rosehill college. Bali Haque was his headmaster.
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Quite right, an All Black captain having fun with his daughter is just not right. She should be at home with her nail polish, learning to cook, sew and clean while Dad is concentrating on the traditionally masculine roles that our society is abandoning at its peril.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:35am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, mikenmildagain, what’s so wrong with Kieran displaying his bond with his daughter?
    
    Pinetree had a daughter, too, you know…
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:34am
    - pdm
      
      Pinetree had two daughters Biscuit – Shelley and Rhonda.
      
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      January 8, 2019 4:55pm
      - Biscuit
        
        I stand corrected, pdm, though TECHNICALLY I am correct!
        
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        January 8, 2019 7:23pm
      - secondcumming
        
        That’s how I read it, too, Biscuit.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:00pm
DigNap15

Here is the reply I got from Tracy Watkins to the email I sent

Hey xxx. No more than I agree with those who email me to complain
we are anti Jacinda Ardern and Labour. ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6/01/2019, at 3:01 PM, DigNap wrote
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> Hi Tracy
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> Would you say that your newspaper is biased against National and Simon Bridges?
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> There seem to be many articles that denegrate or ignore Simon and all the good things he is doing in Parliament.
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> Do you agree with my statements?
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> Kind Regards

Imagine if she got hundreds of similar emails, it might start to piss her off!
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January 8, 2019 8:13am
- sooty
  
  Did you send it care of her desk in the Comrades office.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Imagine if she took the time to reply to all the emails she already get from morons…
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    You mean the ones complaining that she is anti ardern the liar?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:40am
  - Blackbob
    
    She can’t, too busy responding to all the public text messages on her phone instead
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:54am
- Jules99
  
  That wasn’t a very professional reply to your politely worded email.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:24am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes I deliberately made it polite and asked a question rather than told her she was an evil left wing supporting bitch!
    
    I find that you get better replies that way
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:39am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Perhaps she was laughing at you, BigNappy.?
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:48am
  - dime
    
    love seeing the replies from lefties like this.
    
    the same people who had full meltdowns when tvnz announced hosking would run the debate last election.
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:38am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Sorry dime, but it wasn’t last year, it was the year before last. Time has moved on. Just put it this way, next year is election year!
      
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      January 8, 2019 5:46pm
- timmydevo
  
  Hardly professional to address someone by “xxx”. Usually you refer to them by name, not by being so forward as to indicate kisses.
  #metoo
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:59am
  - SGA
    
    ummm… I assumed that DigNap15 had done that for privacy reasons? Not so?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:21am
    - DigNap15
      
      yes privacy reasons!
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Humour alert”.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:42am
    - SGA
      
      You know, I wondered about that… but I’m never completely sure on KB.
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:57am
      - timmydevo
        
        Yeah, neither.
        However, Tall Man gets me. 😉
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:56pm
Paulus

Dear Dr Wankstiff, of the CTU – you have now produced a paper (probably written by BERL) showiing people are spending more than they earn – I have done that for over 50 years of working like your 360,000 members.
That cannot be – your organisation elected as Labour leader Princess Di Ardern who took over one of the finest economies in the World.
And maintained a sound perceived surplus.
You have now got from your mates the highest Minimum Wage in the World with more to come.
Another New Zealand First.
Your Government have just finished year one with Idiot Sir M Cullen’s taxation changes are to come – unfinished from the Clark Government 10 years ago who got booted out.
Wankstiff – if you thing now that people are undervalued and of course want more money for less work then think again.
Princess Di will obfuscate, splutter and scream this year – but guess what, she has already set in progress a position which will be far worse by this time next year.
Silly Boy.
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January 8, 2019 8:15am
- Philview
  
  Have you read the scoping agreement for the NZ EU FTA? The Coalition Government are proposing to entrench socialist governance in NZ controlled by Brussels. Not a word from the media on this.
  
  “an agreement that sets a global benchmark on social and environmental priorities – like climate change, gender equality, indigenous rights, labour standards and sustainable and inclusive economic growth.”
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:56am
  - tf78
    
    Are we taking Britain’s place when they Brexit.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    If the media is keeping this astonishing news secret, how did you find out about it?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:36am
Happychappy

I see the Show Pony got another kick in the arse from those in power in Australia with another drive to get rid of criminals from NZ that have made Australia their home. This is another snub on the groveling that Little ,Ardern and Peter’s have been doing over the last fifteen months to get Australia to change their policy but it has apparently fallen on deaf ears.
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January 8, 2019 8:15am
- artemisia
  
  Not only deaf ears but Australia is planning to extend the reasons to cancel visas and deport.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:32am
  - waikatogirl
    
    1500 Aussie low life criminals sent to NZ and now a promised stronger clampdown by the Aussie govt to increase the number.
    
    What you going to do about this Cindy?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:18am
    - srylands
      
      It will be interesting to see whether the next Labor Government, which is near certain, will soften the policy. I doubt it. It is very popular.
      
      The Karel Sroubek affair would not have gone down well in Australia. They will be thinking eventually this guy will be eligible for New Zealand citizenship. How many more are there?
      
      It would not surprise me if in the next decade the automatic right of residency for New Zealanders is progressively wound back.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:38am
      - sooty
        
        Expect visas for all kiwis to visit as well!
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:48am
      - srylands
        
        I wouldn’t expect a requirement for visas in advance of travel. Rather, New Zealanders would be treated the same as visitors from other developed nations, ie 90 day visitor visa on arrival. Another scenario is a special “New Zealand” category where you get the right to live and work in Australia if you score enough points. Qualifications, skills, English language, good character.
        
        I think what happens will be partly driven by the attitude of New Zealand governments to Australia. If the government here stays in denial about the right of Australia to deport non Australian citizens, things could get messy. Australia will simply never budge on this issue. Under international conventions, to which New Zealand subscribes, it is only citizens that have the absolute right to live in the nation of which they are a citizen. Everyone else is resident at the discretion of the host country.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:03am
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern the liar will pull a “concerned” face for the media then pop back to see herself on the telly.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:44am
    - Komata
      
      waikatogirl
      
      Probably going to convene a committee.
      
      She has form in such matters…
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:47am
    - doggone7
      
      Why should she do anything? If they don’t belong there, they don’t belong there. If they belong here, they belong here. There are likely to be things written on paper called laws or regulations or somesuch which outline who belongs.
      
      Get out to the airport and put out the welcome mat.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:03pm
  - MickMac
    
    Aussies should take away all our visa benefits and make us all queue because of us signing the UN Migrant Pact.
    
    Let Adhern explain that to the thousands who visit every year.
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:19am
- Paulus
  
  I assume that Princess Di will talk to Bill Shorten when he is elected Prime Minister of Australia later this year.
  Both being real left wing Socialist I believe he will tell her to Foxtrot Oscar, and do no favours for New Zealanders. His Unions will support him.
  You have to have committed a crime in Australia to get deported.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:11am
  - Nermal
    
    Recently talked to a neighbour who was most upset his son was being deported from Aus. I asked if he was being held in a detention centre. No, he was still in jail.
    
    Didn’t dare ask what for, just hope he won’t be living nearby
    
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    January 8, 2019 3:46pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Well jail is a detention centre, they should be happy that they will see their child.
      
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      January 9, 2019 6:26am
holysheet

I went to the local liquorland on Friday afternoon on my bicycle, bought a bottle of Red wine and put it in the bicycle basket. As I was about to leave, I thought to myself that if I fell off the bicycle, the bottle would break. So I drank all the wine before I cycled home. It turned out to be a very good decision, because I fell off my bicycle seven times on the way home.
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January 8, 2019 8:21am
NewInoffensiveName

The Jazmine Barnes shooting is a superb frame for the real problem. What was politically exploited for a white shoots black story has turned out to be another of the thousands of black on black gang shootings that plague the USA.

It appears even worse if the story that this was a drug deal gone wrong with the mother fleeing from payment to gang members who then opened fire turns out to be true.

The USA needs to deal with the fact that the African American family has been essentially destroyed by Johnson-era welfare policies that created financial incentive for men (including black men) to leave the home. African American families survived slavery, world wars, Jim Crow, lynchings, etc. It was Johnson’s Great Society bullshit that broke the black family apart. Until this is changed, until black on black violence is acknowledged and dealt with, there will be countless more Jazmines. I note that if you take out suicide and gang on gang shootings, the USA’s gun violence rate is below that of many European nations. And before you raise the gun suicide trope, remember that Japan has highly restrictive gun laws and double the suicide rate of the USA.

This lesson on the dangers of a seemingly benign welfare state is directly applicable to NZ and our chid poverddy problem.
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January 8, 2019 8:22am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Well said.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:46am
Nostradamus

Fraser Anning defends decision to attend far-right protests in Melbourne

Controversial Queensland senator Fraser Anning has stood by his decision to attend a far-right protest in Melbourne on the weekend, at taxpayers’ expense. … Senator Anning, who flew business class and billed taxpayers $3,000 to attend the rally, said he was merely representing the people in his electorate. … At the last election, he collected just 19 first preference votes and conceded he has “not a lot of chance” of being re-elected to his $200,000-a-year position.

Stupid and indefensible. But…

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young said Senator Anning was an “idiot” and the public should not be charged for him to “hang out with these thugs”. “I don’t think the Australian taxpayer should be footing the bill for him to hang out with these Nazi mates of his,” she said. “He is treating the Australian public, and the taxpayers, as mugs.”

This is the same Sarah Hanson-Young who spent $4,000 of taxpayer money ($1,000 more than Anning) on dubious grounds:

Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young’s excuse for spending $4000 of our money to go whale-watching with her 11-year-old daughter: “My daughter that day was sick actually.” But if your daughter is too sick for school, do you fly her for an overnight trip to go watch whales instead?
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She went to the Great Australian Bight with her daughter, and she charged the taxpayer for the cost of the plane and the boat and the chauffeur driven car. And they took selfies. And ate oysters. And spotted 98 whales. And posted it all to Facebook. Senator Hanson-Young told local radio this morning that the trip was “work-related” because she wanted to “talk to people in the tourism industry.”

What was that saying about glass houses?
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January 8, 2019 8:25am
- auckwood
  
  That Sarah Hanson-Young is an absolute joke.
  
  So quick to pull a victim card…
  Side note, we need someone like Aussie politician David Leyonhjelm in our government, the guy says it how it is! Had no problems calling Sarah Hanson-Young out on her bullshit & hypocrisy!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6VlDwbxNjc&feature=youtu.be&t=3m1s&fbclid=IwAR0GYVNMYEnBHVI7XXtWlBxuHk-nbF1Jx33ClEnfjSzF36m6vV0s1b4sxjg
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:05am
  - OTGO
    
    David Leyonhjelm is about the only politician in Australia worth following. As you say, he says it like it is. His ongoing feud (and court case) with Green senator Sarah Hanson-Young is compelling reading.
    
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    January 8, 2019 12:05pm
  - Nermal
    
    Love it! “You’re calling it ‘sexist’ abuse, when it’s just abuse”
    
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    January 8, 2019 3:50pm
mandk

Build that wall, Mr President:
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malkin-say-his-name-rip-cpl-ronil-singh
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January 8, 2019 8:39am
DigNap15

Yes Black Americans and our Maori friends need to lift their game.
When it comes to
Education
Language
Behaviour in public
Respect
Work ethic
Non violence
Diction
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January 8, 2019 8:41am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Give Maori their land back and pay the descendants of slaves what they are owed plus interest.
  
  Should see some results.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:52am
  - DigNap15
    
    What are they owed?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:04am
  - JibberJabber
    
    But Mutt, where would you live, what would you eat and who would pay your dole?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:07am
  - Inandout
    
    Those Horis that were hanging around here when the white man came, well they are all long dead. Interest and money was unknown, but blankets and muskets were.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      You are a very nasty and confused person.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:38am
      - Tall Man
        
        And you are not?
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:53am
      - Inandout
        
        I forgot to add M&M, they also plundered and ate other Maoris on a daily basis. In the old Stone Cottage in Kerikeri there is an account of a Maori slave who was given his freedom; well it was there 5 years ago.
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:25am
      - Jack5
        
        Paying compensation for the wrongs of a century and more ago gets complicated. Especially with compounding interest.
        
        What if Taranaki Maori were taxed to pay compensation for the genocide of Moriori in the Chatham Islands? Or North Island Maori for murderous raids against the South Island’s Ngai Tahu?
        
        What if a million or two Aussies (and quite a few thousand New Zealanders) were to be compensated by Britain for deportation of their ancestors to Down Under?
        
        What if little (in population, rather than size) Mongolia needed to pay compensation for the khans’ rampages through Asia, eastern and central Europe, and the Middle East?
        
        Those who would get off any reparations would be the Manchu and upper class Chinese from paying compensation to descendants of the hordes of eunuchs castrated for imperial service. ?
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:28am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Blacks were given back their land back and made masters of there own destiny under similar idealistic thinking in Africa and elsewhere when colonialism ended.
    We saw some results alright and they were not pretty.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:23am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Standard left-wing talking points, MB. The only problem is that they’re just nonsense when you apply them to the real world. Where is the cut-off for that sort of thing?
    
    Should the Krauts still be paying reparations for the time they tried to burn Europe to the ground in the 1930s/40s? How about going back a bit further? Should the French still be paying reparations for the way Napoleon murdered his way across Europe and Russia? Should the UK still be wringing their hankies for all the terrible stuff they did in the sub-continent? What about a bit further back, how about those nasty Scandinavians do the decent thing and apologise for all the reaving they did up and down the coastlines of western Europe as Vikings? Should the muslim world be giving a substantial proportion of oil revenue to Europe for the way they raped and pillaged southern Europe from the Dark Ages onward? Not enough – let’s go back a bit further?
    
    You get the point? Every race or nation or people can lay claim to a grievance of some sort against another race or nation or people for some atrocity or other over the past 2 millenia. It is asinine and just retarded to even think that all the wrongs can be put right – so why pick some as deserving above all others?
    
    Simple answer. The racist “white saviour complex”? White chardonnay socialists seek to salve their deep feelings of self-loathing by trying to save inferior human beings by wrapping a sopping wet cloak of sanctimony about themselves.
    
    Time to grow up and get on with making the future better rather than crying over the spilt milk of the past!
    
    Unless of course you are a cultural marxist and the only thing you care about is tearing down western democratic civilisation so that totalitarianism and gulags can be brought in.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:27am
    - Jazzby
      
      Well said. Jeremy Waldron (this country’s finest philosopher by a country mile, and a world expert on the legal and ethical aspects of possession and ownership) – he has the sense to now live and work overseas – formulated the ‘thesis of supersession’ which, basically, says what you have expressed. There has to be a limit to the scope of historical grievance, because the world (and the people in it) now is so substantially different to the way it was when most of these things happened. He is particularly critical of the way that the Treaty of Waitangi is still regarded as ‘a living document’, for example. So, one could say that there has to be an arbitrary cutoff period (somewhat akin to the duration of copyright), after which, history is put to bed.
      Furthermore, there is a powerful argument to be advanced to the effect that Maori owned nothing of this land, prior to the arrival of Europeans: they merely occupied (and destroyed) much of it.
      
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      January 8, 2019 10:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    In the 1820’s the only slaves were those that the maori had taken from defeated villages so I have no idea what you are talking about.
    
    The “sale” of a piece of relatively useless land almost 200 years ago for a few muskets and axes should have no bearing on present day actions, however, just to put things into perspective for the idiots like yourself, a few muskets enabled the recipient to attack, conquer and gain even more land than the land that was sold for the muskets. At that time maori didn’t really “value” land but were mightily keen on utu and eating their neighbours. Muskets made that task much easier.
    
    That is a fact so stop all the 200 year old wailing and look past the headline, or are you just not interested in a balanced approach at all?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:58am
  - Komata
    
    MB
    
    Re: ‘Give Maori their land back and pay the descendants of slaves what they are owed plus interest’.
    
    An interesting reply, so now a question for you (since obviously you know everything about such matters):
    
    Give ‘Maori’ land back: To whom?
    
    As you will well-know Before the British arrived Maori were never a ‘unified’ ‘nation’ in the modern term, and land was constantly changing hands as tribes won and lost.
    
    So my question: To whom should this land be given back?
    
    Those who held it on date ‘x’ in 1840?
    
    Those from whom the date x’ tribe had wrested it before date x in 1840, or…
    
    And if so, given that ‘maori’ had no written language, how can this be proven?
    
    And what about the Maoriori? A people who had their land forcibly removed from them during the ‘modern’ era?
    
    Curerent ‘Chathams’ ‘maori’ say there is no case, yet if your statement is tenable, the Maoriori have a very definite legal case for full return and, indeed, COMPENSATION by the tribe who invaded.
    
    And no, I’m not being pedantic, merely taking the case you advance to its logical conclusion.
    
    And then, there are the ‘Slaves’.
    
    As Maori kept slaves, ‘compensation’ is a most excellent idea, and no doubt various ToW cases against the tribes concerned are being prepared as we speak. From memory Ngapuhi were very ‘slave inclined’ and Tainui had a reputation as being slaves (albeit poor ones) under other tribes (Arawa for instance), so yes, ‘compensation’ could be very lucrative.
    
    As I said, an interesting reply.
    
    So how do YOU intend to implement your suggestion?
    
    Thanks.
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:06am
  - dime
    
    “Give Maori their land back and pay the descendants of slaves what they are owed plus interest.
    
    Should see some results.”
    
    yes, would see huge results. none of them good.
    
    idiot.
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:41am
  - logan0312
    
    I have some reservations about comments made from both sides of this debate.
    I’m no fan of those who would create a grievance industry out of this issue but the matter is a little bit more complex than an attitude of “Get over it” can fix.
    We need to be honest that there were problems with pre-Christian Maori society just as there were (are?) problems with the European side. The issue of slavery is one example and the Musket Wars another that should be acknowledged. But it is also true, if my recollection is correct, that these issues were partly resolved by Maori themselves prior to the signing of the Treaty. My understanding is that slavery was abolished by Maori themselves without Crown compulsion and to me this indicates that they were far from the savages saved by the white-man some seem to believe. It’s a little more complex than that. Maori society may have been technologically Stone Age, but there is no evidence of which I am aware that their moral reasoning was flawed any more than the colonials who emigrated here (or remaindered in Europe for that matter).
    It’s not all a one way street that European settlement was an unqualified benefit to the indigenous people. Nor is it true that European settlement was an unqualified disaster for them. There were pluses and minuses on both sides.
    The way I see it is that there were problems that needed to be ironed out, and one of those issues was the immorality of improper land confiscations, actual fraud and the like. If we are to move forward as a nation together we must address issues like this justly and resolve them in ways that are just for both parties. We all expect reparation if we are the victim of serious injustice – it is only proper. It is also an imperative if there is to be genuine reconciliation.
    From what I have seen Maori themselves have largely conducted themselves in a way that indicates they would be reconciled with the national community. The settlements resolved so far have entailed compensation that is often a mere fraction of that they might arguably be entitled to. I only have a casual observers opinion, but their conduct (the negotiating tribes) has not been vindictive or spiteful.
    I have reservations about those on both sides who either want to create a grievance state that will never be satisfied, and in some cases non-Maori who need to consider their own position and whether that is a reasonable one in the given circumstances too. Real problems have to be identified accurately and resolved if we are to regard ourselves as a just society.
    Like I said, I’m no fan of some predominately left-wing radicals who will not be reconciled in any circumstances, but I don’t think that position is in any way true for all Maori. Nor do I think (or hope) it is true that the non-Maori side is comprised of irredeemable racists and thieves. Hopefully the extremist elements of either side won’t prevail.
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:42am
    - Jazzby
      
      When commenting on Maori ‘moral reasoning’ you overlook a crucial point: as a pre-literate society, they had no written code of ethics (unlike the Europeans, whose ethics were highly sophisticated by the Victorian era). Accordingly, it is only a matter of supposition that they did exercise sound moral reasoning; and the fact that they evidently thought nothing of slavery, infanticide, and cannibalism would tend to suggest that they did not (and I don’t buy into the ‘ethical relativism’ argument, because it leads to so many nonsensical conclusions).
      As to modern Maori: the problem here is that the arbitrary distinction (based on bloodline, no matter how tenuous, and self-identification with Maori culture) between’Maori’ and ‘the rest’ is no longer tenable, because of the high degree of intermarriage (and hence, hybrid offspring) between the various ethnic groups. In other words, the advocates of Maori ‘sovereignty’, reparation, and similar separatist notions, are peddling a hollow sham. The days have long passed since Maori were a distinct ethno-racial group (they were never a ‘people’) and, in the twenty-first century, our government and judiciary should pandering to those who wish to trade on sentiment.
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:33am
      - Tall Man
        
        I think you meant should not be pandering.
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:52pm
      - SGA
        
        (unlike the Europeans, whose ethics were highly sophisticated by the Victorian era).
        
        Let’s not get too carried away. Sophisticated or not, slavery only ended in the 1800’s, the Industrial revolution had its downside for many people, and some of the European “goings on” in even the mid 20th century were rather ethically challenged (ok, ok, that hardly avoids Godwin’s Law, but it is relevant).
        
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        January 8, 2019 1:35pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Actually, what happened is that the Maoris weren’t stupid and in signing the treaty they recognised the benefits of living in an advanced democratic society.
      
      This worked well for them (and the European settlers) and generally speaking everyone got on together and built a fine cohesive colourblind society. Maoris fought for their country proudly in 2 world wars and they contributed to the economy, the arts and the intelligensia. They were New Zealanders. Kiwis.
      
      Then, 130 years or so later, everything started to change. Radical Maori elements who were smarting against a society which rewarded skills and hard work rather than mana and lineage achieved cut-through with their fanatical claims of marginalisation and one of the world’s racial success stories began to fall apart.
      
      New Zealanders have progressively fed these fanatics since the 1970s with their policies of appeasement and handouts and this has just made the problem worse. Appeasement simply doesn’t work. It just makes things worse. What was needed was a cohesive and rational rejection of their radical claims; but this seems never to have happened.
      
      We are past the point of no return. As our economy declines due to our inferior education standards and our lack of real skills there will be less to give to the Maoris. As this happens, the Maoris will become even more angry and violent as a culture, to the point that Valerie Morse and her band of beginner terrorists will look like a kindergarten troupe.
      
      New Zealand has gone.
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:56am
    - Blackbob
      
      You are aware that most of the tattooed Maori heads sold to Europeans as “Chiefs” in the 1900’s were in fact slaves inked up for the purpose? After the moral relativity of deceit for money making purposes is ignored, the heads being returned now have no familial connections to the tribes claiming them.
      
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      January 8, 2019 12:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Read Te Wiremu.
      
      Very honest and revealing then come back and tell us “issues were resolved before 1840.”
      
      “but there is no evidence of which I am aware that their moral reasoning was flawed any more than the colonials”
      
      Again, read Te Wiremu: A Biography of Henry Williams.
      
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      January 8, 2019 12:42pm
      - Jazzby
        
        Apologies for the earlier omission: you are, of course, right. I was too quick for myself!
        
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        January 8, 2019 1:06pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Whatever happens with reparations will not change the fact that NZ has an underclass that is mainly driven by poor parenting. People who were not raised properly by their own parents and have become failures and are now screwing up their own kids and perpetuating a cycle.
    
    Anyone, no matter their race or how poor they are, can help their kids exit that cycle just by raising them well and instilling good values. There is no barrier to doing so in NZ and refugees and other migrants have repeatedly demonstrated this.
    
    There is inequality but is does not transmit across generations from lack of opportunity due to economic or systemic factors. The cycle has not trapped anyone. It perpetuates only through terrible parenting. Maori are over-represented in this and handouts will not make it better.
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:26am
    - JeffW
      
      Very well said, thanks.
      
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      January 8, 2019 4:22pm
  - Nermal
    
    I didn’t take their land so I can’t give it back.
    
    White Americans alive today never owned slaves, and black Americans alive today never picked any cotton
    
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    January 8, 2019 3:53pm
VicParking

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Once again had a comment Blocked. You can call me sarcastic but nothing more. F*K you KB.
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January 8, 2019 8:49am
- KeaRea
  
  I don’t mind Kiwiblog moderating gratuitous obscenity and vulgarisms – because obscenities and vulgarisms demoralise Kiwiblog’s readership. It also damages the National brand. I just oppose moderation towards substantive topics and formulated opinion on third rails.
  
  I was disappointed when a comment on the Vagina Monologues was initially moderated yesterday. It was valid political critique to relate the play to Betty Friedan. As long as posts are articulate and informational, invective should be permitted. But it should be witty ideally or at least incisive. Isolated pub-house vulgar racism isolated from any substantive contextualisation is a bane. Because it aids the anti-free speech lobbies tremendously.
  
  I know many would regard me to cross that line – but I always opine with respect to an empirical basis.
  
  It is really depressing that any comment on a substantive issue related to identity politics seems to encourage vulgar racism. The Alt-Retards make life unpleasant for everyone. Analysis yes. Spare insult no.
  
  I say incendiary things – like Indians can’t code. But then I link to the story in the Hindu where that incongruity was discovered in a massive survey of engineers in New Delhi and elsewhere for example. Obviously it’s not true for every individual. But that was the finding in aggregate. I can then relate that discrepancy to the H1B Visa scheme and public infrastructure failures in California and I’m making an argument – not just expressing an attitude.
  
  Anyway, I just have a couple of entries I’d like to talk about today. Will see how we go.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:10am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    Judicial use of expletives can enhance a fucking comment. Gratuitous use, not so much.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:16am
    - KeaRea
      
      Well put – to be judicious, not gratuitous. I know that gratuitous comments demoralise the readership because they demoralise me.
      
      If I browse I want to see vivacity or at least earnestness. I very much dislike seeing crudeness. I would expect crudeness and baseness from the Standard given it’s clientele and hosts. But not here amongst the more affluent. I can be crude, yes, but only for effect not because it’s my desired default mode.
      
      I know my material can have a chilling effect on the board. Which surprises me. But only presumably because it’s dense, which is annoying, and incongruous, questioning common view points.
      
      I just want one forum, just one, where natural cadence and preference doesn’t have to be filtered and self-censored for the benefit of people with diminished capacities of understanding, limited emotional resilience, or deficits in attention and literacy.
      
      Just one. That’s why I waste my time here.
      
      There is nowhere else. It’s when the last forum is removed that the problems will really start.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:33am
    - Biscuit
      
      Wangas, as a bright young kid, fresh out of uni, I began my first job.
      
      My trainer was a lovely lady, ‘Mrs Mac’ to all, who absorbed all the expletives that flew about her (but not from me, natch. I never f*cking swear!) with no admonishments.
      
      But everyone knew that if and when she scrunched up her hands, shook her body indignantly and exclaimed ‘BOTHER!’ that:
      a) Some boundary or other had been crossed
      and
      b) Moving in the general direction of Away from her might be advisable for a few minutes…
      
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      January 8, 2019 10:40am
  - Sacha
    
    I get where you are coming from, but I always remember my old Mum telling me that vulgarisms and swearing were the sign of a limited vocabulary and a lazy brain. Or possibly its a busy brain that doesn’t appreciate the subtlety of of the English language.
    Either way it detracts from the reader’s appreciation of the writer’s comments.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:42am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Billy Connelly was told that he only swears because of a lack in his own vocabulary.
      
      His response was “Show me the equivalent of “Fuck Off” in polite language and I’ll gladly use it.”
      
      “It certainly isn’t “Go Away””. It just doesn’t have the same balls.
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:47am
    - Sideoiler
      
      Seems your old mum was wrong.
      https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:53am
      - Sacha
        
        Having an extensive vocabulary of swear words can make for dull/limited conversation, like people who use ‘like’ all the time. It may be more colourful at first, but gets just as boring after endless repetition.
        https://www.quora.com/How-many-words-does-an-average-English-speaker-know
        and swear words: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/04/10/
        nine-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-swear-words/
        My old Mum was certainly a member of the lower middle/but aspirational class, lol.
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:11pm
      - Nermal
        
        I suspect that was “social” scientists
        
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        January 8, 2019 4:01pm
- Tall Man
  
  In the famous words of H1…diddums.
  
  I suggest you have a crack at stuff and see what happens.
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:00am
  - MCos
    
    Or start your own mass circulation freewheeled blog.
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:47am
Pete George

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As a number of people have advised, a small number of people are obviously misusing the report function here as “quickest way to remove an abusive comment from view”. The problem is it can be used to remove any comment from view.

The other way you can signal you think a comment is unacceptable, is to click on the link which says “Report Abusive Comment”. If a certain threshold is reached of people reporting it, then the system will automatically hide the comment from view, and place it into moderation for a moderator to review. This can be the quickest way to remove an abusive comment from view. This should not be used for comments you merely disagree with, but only ones that are abusive.

– https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy

I’ve had another two comments parked in m moderation from yesterday’s GD:

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Tall Man – it’s not the hidden comments due to down ticks that are the problem.

There seems to be semi organised reporting (clicking REPORT) that, if several clicks are registered, puts a comment into moderation, so it isn’t visible until it is released from moderation by presumably DPF. This can take some time, like a day.

This doesn’t just hide the reported comment in the moderation queue, it also appears to hide all comments in the thread below the reported comment.

This system was put in place by DPF to make it easier to report abusive and defamatory comments that have long been a problem here. It is a good idea, but some have been abusing this by malicious reporting. It amounts to mob censorship.

And:

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Linking to a source is normal practice, especially when there is more detail there.

In the site Comments Policy – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy – there is no indication that linking to a source is a problem. I have never seen DPF say not to do it. I have had a strike for doing it.

Accusations of ‘link whoring’ amounts to a form of trolling to try to disrupt or discredit or censor. Reporting ‘link whoring’ seems to me to be an abuse of site processes. It is used to try to suppress free speech, something that is against the pro-free speech principles of Kiwiblog.

Be aware that this deliberate suppression of comments – it can affect whole threads – is an attempt to manipulate what comments everyone can see.

While DPF is staunch in promoting and defending free speech you cannot rely on discussions here being freely displayed due to the abuse of moderation by some.

It’s impossible to know how many comments are being affected as you only know if your own comments are being parked in moderation.

User-initiated censorship is not just an abuse of reporting here, it is an attack on free speech.

As Kiwi Dave said yesterday “the result of reporting some comments into oblivion (as distinct from downticking, which still lets people see comments if they really want) is censorship of some contributors to a blog whose attraction includes its lack of censorship.”
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January 8, 2019 9:00am
- Nostradamus
  
  Pete George – did you receive a shiny blog sheriff badge in your Christmas stocking?
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:06am
  - Pete George
    
    Nostradamus – do you approve of abuse of the report function and user initiated censorship? That’s how it appears when you choose to ignore that and attack the messenger instead.
    
    There is a conflict here between the principles of free speech, and those who keep defending a free-for-all that includes deterrence of free speech and active suppression of free speech
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:14am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Pete’s blogging diary:
      
      Today: It’s not “democratic crowd sourcing of the moderation”
      Yesterday: More ‘moderation’ at Kiwiblog
      The day before yesterday: Another trumped up ban at The Standard
      The day before the day before yesterday: Mob censorship in action at Kiwiblog?
      
      Here’s a suggestion for tomorrow’s post: Pete George’s guide to good blog commenting. Oh – you’ve already done that! What about… “how to micro-manage other blogs”?
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:15am
      - Pete George
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Thanks, you’ve pretty much answered my question.
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:23am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Have I? Well, in that case, please return the favour and answer my question: did you receive a shiny blog sheriff badge in your Christmas stocking?
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:24am
      - Pete George
        
        Did you receive a shiny blog sheriff badge in your Christmas stocking?
        
        Or are you just a self appointed defender of abuse and censorship here?
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:27am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Hold on! You said I’d answered your question already – even though, actually, you answered it for me. Now you’re avoiding my question. Would you like me to extend you the same (dis)courtesy of answering my own question to you?
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:29am
      - waikatogirl
        
        “Did you receive a shiny blog sheriff badge in your Christmas stocking?”
        
        Did it come with a big hat?! ?
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:33am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Peter George
        Nostradamus is just another lawyer practising his sophistry.
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:41am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mikenmild:
        
        Just another lawyer as opposed to… what useful productive work have you done again? Something about a clipboard, shuffling paper and counting paper clips?
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:48am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        What am I doing? Pretty much this:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf7rntVimhw
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:05am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @mikenmildagain @10:05AM
        
        Heh, heh. Perfect response, MMA. Love it.
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      When someone leaves a turd on the footpath you either remove it or cover it up.
      
      You, on the other hand, seem to want to ensure that you and everyone else gets to smell it perpetually.
      
      The “hidden” function still allows you to read the post that has annoyed others to a large extent so I do not see what your problem is or is nostra right, you just want to tell others what to do?
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:28am
      - Pete George
        
        You’re wrong. I explained yesterday but you may have missed it. This has nothing to do with hidden comments due to downticks.
        
        If enough people maliciously click REPORT a comment and it’s thread automatically gets removed from anyone’s view into a moderation queue, where it remains hidden from everyone but the commenter unless it is released from moderation (this can take up to a day from my experience).
        
        Some people are doing this deliberately to suppress comments from general view.
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:34am
      - holysheet
        
        When someone leaves a turd on the footpath you either remove it or cover it up.
        
        Except if you are a stinking leftie. THEN you pick it up and throw it at anyone whose views you dislike.
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:35am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Pete is right in this case. Down-ticking to hide a comment (so you can still view if you wish to amuse yourself) is distinct from reporting a comment so it is completely removed until moderated.
        
        This can be misused. I report some comments that I believe are completely improper or reveal personal ID’s or something like that. Otherwise I go with the idea that downticks is the appropriate way for the community to show it’s disapproval.
        
        And that applies even if you dislike PG on principle.
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:07am
      - Tall Man
        
        Pete, pop along to stuff and see how they deal with that issue.
        
        This blog is as loose as a goose compared to them and yes, I have had posts “referred for moderation” and that’s fie by me.
        
        I have reported posts that I think are possibly defamatory. Those that are abusive that are directed at others I ignore, anyone brave enough to abuse me will receive adequate response, unless it is from an absolute numbnuts which i take as an uptick and move on.
        
        Use your time to work on the big stuff, ardern the liar, lees-galloway’s inept and corrupt practices, genter’s useless husband gaining hundreds and thousands of dollars from her department without review, a lying thieving deputy pm with a measly 7% approval rating now down to 3.something.
        
        Don’t sweat the little stuff, life is too short and if the owner/facilitator of this blog wants to moderate, block, hide comments, that is his right.
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:07am
    - Swifty
      
      PG – you have inferred repeatedly that people here are using the report function to censor comments or views ‘they don’t like’ or otherwise disagree with.
      
      I disagree.
      
      I believe that for the great majority of the time people use both the ‘thumbs up/thumbs down’ and ‘report’ features appropriately.
      
      What I do see though is people here getting heartily sick of a few anti-social individuals using this blog to promote their personal or business interests in often very lengthy and repetitive posts and/or clearly attempt to drive traffic to their own sites – despite, in some cases, years of requests to stop it or at least tone it down.
      
      To lump these cases in to your argument of ‘free speech suppression’ is ludicrous – these people are free to speak all they want on any subject on their own blog. Of course, they choose to continue to dump their shite on KB because their own sites have no readership.
      
      I totally welcome the report feature as it allows the KB readership to exercise some influence over the small number of largely single-issue nutters who choose to come here and spoil things for the great majority.
      
      If people don’t like this development – then they are free to move elsewhere.
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:48am
      - Pete George
        
        “To lump these cases in to your argument of ‘free speech suppression’ is ludicrous”
        
        I didn’t lump valid cases of abuse in my criticism. There are two distinct things here, reporting valid abuse and maliciously misreporting abuse.
        
        “I totally welcome the report feature as it allows the KB readership to exercise some influence over the small number of largely single-issue nutters who choose to come here and spoil things for the great majority.”
        
        DPF makes it clear this is not what the feature is for – “This should not be used for comments you merely disagree with, but only ones that are abusive.”
        
        “The great majority” shouldn’t be exposed to different views?
        
        a) you don’t know what the great majority think of individual comments. The great majority of readers don’t comment or tick.
        
        b) It’s important in a democracy that different opinions and views are tolerated – that’s a fundamental aspect of free speech that some (a small number) here are trying to shit on.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:31am
      - Swifty
        
        I should have made my point more clear. I am referring to linkwhoring, alone.
        
        I regard repeated, persistent and long-standing linkwhoring as trolling/an abuse of this blog and I lately have taken to ‘reporting’ it accordingly.
        
        I know you regard linkwhoring as legitimate (or at least a grey area as DPF doesn’t specifically mention it in his explanations of the report feature) but I don’t.
        
        My point has nothing to do with suppressing people with different views.
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:03pm
      - Pete George
        
        Swifty – so you report things that are clearly not abuse, so are clearly in contravention of the Kiwiblog Comments Policy.
        
        It will add to DPFs workload having to deal with misreporting.
        
        “My point has nothing to do with suppressing people with different views.”
        
        You are trying to suppress people doing things here that they are allowed to do.
        
        If more people took to choosing things they didn’t like and reported them to try to have them suppressed free speech here would be a joke.
        
        As it is there can be no confidence that comments here aren’t being effectively censored by users. The only unknown is how many. It pretty much stuffs the concept of free speech and open and fair debate.
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:26pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah nah.
        
        I’ve just said I believe repeated, persistent, daily linkwhoring IS abuse. Do I need to state it again PG?
        
        If DPF disagrees – then he’s free to discipline me.
        
        This freedom is speech thing from you is misplaced, in my case.
        
        And as as frequent and persistent linkwhorer yourself here some years back, which never used to go down well – I would have thought you might have got the difference.
        
        Clearly not.
        
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        January 8, 2019 1:10pm
      - Pete George
        
        The comment that kicked this off (with a link to source and detail) was actually quite popular going by the number of upticks, and the comments it generated. It was on decolonisation.
        
        It’s you who doesn’t seem to ‘get the difference’.
        
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        January 8, 2019 2:19pm
      - Nermal
        
        Swifty 9:48am sums it up perfectly
        
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        January 8, 2019 4:07pm
    - KevOB
      
      In my view the report function is very seldom abused. We have a few who purposefully annoy and their rash irritations may be quickly erased. They are subject to users at the time too and reporting is not automatic by commentator, reader or date.
      
      Another group who get reported are the Labour Interns/trolls/ mischief makers who turn up when the COL needs diversion. They may get their noses tweaked or their tails pulled in this political forum. They are seldom offensive but do provide sport.
      
      Comments can go into moderation randomly, which is not a bad thing for gentle control, when the post button is clicked. Those seem to appear quite quickly. We all post here as guests and DPF provides as wider forum and as well managed as can be reasonably expected. Freedom carries the price of tolerance.
      
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      January 8, 2019 12:27pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Everyone knows you have to supply your own tissues when you`re having a sook on KB.
  There`s no conspiracy, fuckwittery gets removed, start your own blog if you don`t like it.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:25am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Interesting that the comments policy left out some important additional information on the report process outlined by Mr Farrar when it was introduced in 2014.
  
  Note that this feature should not be used on comments just because you disagree with them. If you continually report comments that are not abusive or trolling, then I’ll suspend your account. The up and down vote buttons are what you use for agreeing or disagreeing with a comment. This feature is for comments that are highly abusive.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/09/an_easier_way_to_report_comments.html
  
  Perhaps Mr Farrar needs to update his comments policy and clarify just what he wants this feature to do and the conditions under which it should be used. Because I don’t see a lot of suspensions happening right now for flagrant misuse.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:28am
  - Swifty
    
    Please give some specific examples of flagrant misuse.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:51am
    - Muttonbird
      
      Pete’s put up several examples of non-abusive comments being placed in moderation under the 5 report rule. That is misuse according to Mr Farrar in 2014. I dunno, perhaps being in opposition has changed things for him.
      
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      January 8, 2019 10:04am
      - Tall Man
        
        In other words you don’t know but are being irritating for your enjoyment.
        
        What a truly sad individual you must be.
        
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        January 8, 2019 1:00pm
- secondcumming
  
  In Pete Georges own words…..
  
  “I have been pushing for blogs to be more transparent but they just don’t want to know about it…..generally the blogosphere is a very dirty and antagonistic place”
  
  Pot. Kettle….. much
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Dear Pete,
  
  when I rang you in the weekend about the abusive post Griff had placed on your blog, it was the second time I had phoned you about Griff’s abuse.
  
  If I recall correctly, you removed Griff’s first post – Thanks.
  
  But in between the two I have complained of, there have been other comments from him about me.
  (I find your site difficult to search, so haven’t checked back for those comments).
  
  Last weekend, he got another suckerpunch into me on your site.
  
  I don’t consider your site to be a safe site (at present), so I’m not commenting there.
  
  Now, I’m not blaming you as such… for as you rightly put it some days back
  Sadly shitting in other people’s online nests is very common – some people get way with as much nastiness as they can, and then push boundaries more. I guess some people just have nasty streaks. perhaps they get some sort of power thrill from attacking others.
  
  I don’t shit in other people’s blogs… I have never had one of my comments removed (unless nested below a removed comment)
  I do not do personal abuse.
  
  But I don’t know who anonymous abusers are; I don’t know the relationship between those who abuse me across different blogs.
  I suspect there is a connection.
  
  I applaud your desire for free speech free from intimidation, but I didn’t get it on your blog.
  Currently, I figure it is safe for me to post on KB.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:51am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, Maggy.
    
    I often look at some post or other KiwiBlog and see (say) 45 upticks and 1 downtick and strive valiantly to see just what it was that the solitary downticker had seen to make him/her/it so moved to vote.
    
    I’ve never reported with a view to having a post removed just because I disagreed with it … and wonder if one way to see that sort of thing curtailed would be if the names of each ‘reporter’ were carried below the posts they did report.
    
    Along with an automated ‘suggestion’ by DPF after every tenth (or so) ‘report’ that the reporter in question go outside and smell the daisies for a while rather than vent in here…
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:54am
  - Pete George
    
    Maggy, as far as I’m aware i dealt with the issue raised by you in Your NZ straight away, and I’m not aware of anything since – you haven’t reported anything further.
    
    Unless all comments are pre-moderated (that would cripple most blogs) there is no way of stopping all abuse from happening. It should be dealt with as soon as possible after it has been reported or noticed. That’s what i do, and in my experience that’s what DPF does – but with the much larger number of comments here it’s difficult to handle.
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:36am
    - KevOB
      
      Maybe you are being mistreated here. I see 3 downticks and no reason. You do not come here as a political foe but as a respected blogger in your own right. There are a handful here to whom anybody not of their is ilk is a decided enemy. They are at war with most of the world and probably themselves too. Your blog is likely the cause of the personal attack. I doubt if DPF can do much more.
      
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      January 8, 2019 12:44pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I down ticked him because he is like a dog with a bone and keeps posting the same argument. I also object to someone, anyone having the audacity to criticise the provider/operator of the blog for operating it as they see fit.
        
        From the bulk of the comments that I see this gang of posters are probably the least likely to form an “anti free speech” cohort and get together to “report” anyone for no good reason.
        
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        January 8, 2019 1:46pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Dear Pete,
      According to my gmail files:
      
      I notified you of abuse from Griff:
      on Mon 13 March 2017
      
      From Griff & Robert Guyton:
      Sun Apr. 22, 2018
      
      and
      From Griff:
      Sat Jan 5, 2019
      
      Strike 3, and I’m out.
      
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      January 8, 2019 1:18pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Robert Guyton abusing people? Sheesh, I never saw that coming 😀
        
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        January 8, 2019 5:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And after having been granted the courtesy of posting on Pete George’s blog for Yonks, he went over to The Standard and made a comment that P.G. shouldn’t be allowed on that site.
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-03-01-2019/#comment-1567527
        
        You have to larf…
        
        Some of these Green folk have a pretty intolerant view of others.
        
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        January 8, 2019 5:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        Gee, what an arsehole.
        
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        January 8, 2019 6:22pm
  - Longknives
    
    I have been thinking about posting on another blog for a while now- But the Standard axed me after one post!
    So what does that leave? Sheriff Pete? Who despises me and went on a bizarre ‘Hate Speech’ rant after I admitted that I don’t have any time for Jacinda Ardern nor do I care about her family?
    (Shocking I know..)
    Or maybe I should look up my old mate Philu? Whoar could use the patronage- Just like Sheriff Pete’s blog that place is emptier than a Hermit’s address book….
    
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    January 8, 2019 4:34pm
- Than
  
  Pete George, exactly what moderation policies would you have DPF implement? He does have a responsibility to police genuinely abusive comments, and he doesn’t have unlimited time to devote to moderating. As far as I can see the current policy is a reasonable compromise between these requirements.
  
  I don’t buy there is even semi-organised mob-censorship of comments using the report function, because plenty of comments from posters with unpopular views (Muttonbird, marquess, stephieboy, etc.) remain visible. Not saying there can’t be cases of comment that don’t deserve it being deliberately reported out, but claiming it is some organised censorship just doesn’t fit with the facts.
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:00am
  - Pete George
    
    “claiming it is some organised censorship just doesn’t fit with the facts.”
    
    I said semi-organised. A few days ago this comment was posted:
    
    starboard
    PG reported for link whoring
    
    My comment quickly disappeared into moderation – I think there is a high chance others took starboard’s comment as a signal to others to do likewise. That started the spate of report initiated disappearances.
    
    DPF has since released all comments from moderation, so he presumably had no problem with the comments that had been reported.
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      They were released from moderation so the system works, just not fast enough for you.
      
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      January 8, 2019 1:48pm
      - Pete George
        
        No, the system was being abused. A delay of up to a day in comments being released removes them from live discussions – effectively censoring the discussion.
        
        And it breaches site commenting policy..
        
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        January 8, 2019 6:00pm
- tf78
  
  Hi Pete, I think what happens is people try to reply not noticing the “reply” isn’t available and press “report” by mistake – I have done it myself.
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:01am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Certainly have done the same, but it takes at least 5 reports to send a comment into moderation, and I simply don’t buy that as an explanation for that reason. One or two, sure, but 5 ?
    
    And note Muttonbird’s find from DBF’s rules, abusive use of the report function will lead to suspension. If David would do that a couple of times to those who do abuse the report function, I think it would improve matters.
    
    But fair comment from Than, is there really enough of this going on ? Haven’t seen much, though NSF has been affected a bit lately.
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:17am
    - Than
      
      NSF is a perfect example of why hiding comments by downticks is a good system. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him (I honestly don’t know or care whether Lundy is guilty – just not an issue that interests me) his posts are just obnoxiously long*. Hiding them saves a lot of tedious scrolling. It’s not censorship because those who want to read them (or are just curious) can expand or collapse them as they wish.
      
      * I say this with full awareness that many of my posts are on the long side, although I do at least try to post on more than a single topic.
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:06am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I think I’ve seen at least a couple of cases though where NSF’s posts have outright disappeared rather than just hidden (click to read more).
        
        Of course if you don’t monitor the comments all the time one probably misses most outright removals unless another poster refers to that post in some way.
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:57pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Some of NSF’s posts are bordering on libelous and those I have reported. The rest are usually just the ramblings of a sadly obsessed man so I downtick if I can be bothered.
        
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        January 8, 2019 1:54pm
  - MickMac
    
    me 2
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:27am
- dime
  
  https://weheartit.com/entry/55685266
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:43am
- Pete George
  
  DPF has contacted me acknowledging a problem. He said he is taking measures to deal with it.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:42am
  - KevOB
    
    Again I see the downticks over your simple statement of facts.
    Ignore the wannabe bullies. They suffer then.
    
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    January 8, 2019 12:51pm
Manolo

This young lad is the future:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-sees-himself-as-democrats%E2%80%99-best-hope-in-2020-allies-say/ar-BBRTcPg

Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is in the final stages of deciding whether to run for president and has told allies he is skeptical the other Democrats eyeing the White House can defeat President Trump, an assessment that foreshadows a clash between the veteran Washington insider and the more liberal and fresh-faced contenders for the party’s 2020 nomination.
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January 8, 2019 9:02am
- DigNap15
  
  The democrats always seem to find it hard to get a few good middle aged candidates.
  Imho at 70+ you are too old to be a president or a deputy prime minister.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    In my opinion, wynston is such a dedicated crook that he was unfit for the position at any age.
    
    aredern the liar is supposedly popular because she is young and full of vitality but has been revealed as a rather incompetent vacuous and lazy little liar.
    
    Therefore, age is not really a consideration but attitude and aptitude are more important.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:24am
  - fernglas
    
    W
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:28am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Agreed. Trump is way too old and although never demonstrating much intelligence, is clearly descending further into complete incoherence.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:42am
    - Ed Snack
      
      You’re just the sort of person, mma, who would prefer the public groper “Creepy” Uncle Joe for POTUS, aren’t you. They’d have to make the White House a child-free zone if he was elected.
      
      Funny how the allegedly stupidest presidential candidate in memory demonstrated a degree of political nous sufficient to overcome the almost universal agreement that HRC was destined to become POTUS. Though I’m sure you are happy to ascribe it to pure luck , and dumb luck at that.
      
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      January 8, 2019 10:23am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’d certainly hope the US voters aren’t presented with a choice between ‘Creepy’ Joe Biden and the incumbent Pussy Grabber-in-Chief.
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      Whereas your beloved, ardern the liar, has already reached a state of incoherence, not that she has ever had much to say worth listening too.
      
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      January 8, 2019 2:22pm
  - Jules99
    
    The problem with a top heavy Dem party is that experienced younger candidates are thin on the ground and the vacuum is taken up by kids like AOC who needs another 30 years to reach adulthood.
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:49am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Jesus, Biden is 76! He’ll be 78 in 2020
  Clinton 71
  Sanders 77
  Pelosi 78
  Feinstein 85
  Maxine Waters 80
  
  There are 5 senators in their mid 80’s!
  
  I remember jokes about Reagan’s age, but he was a comparative spring chicken starting at 69 and finished at 77.
  
  Trump is 72
  
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  January 8, 2019 4:06pm
- toby1845
  
  Anyone whose wife is prepared to pack the kids into a car and drive into the front of a truck should never be President.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:25pm
secondcumming

JUST REMEMBER……

If a woman ever pulls a knife on you, just pull out 2 slices of bread.

Her womanly instincts will kick in and she’ll make you a sandwich.
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January 8, 2019 9:16am
- waikatogirl
  
  Make your own damn sandwich would be my answer to that. ?
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:39am
  - secondcumming
    
    you sound like my sorta girlwaikato 😎
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:47am
    - Johnboy
      
      Quite so. One day, hopefully soon, you will most likely advance to women. 🙂
      
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      January 8, 2019 12:27pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        sc or me Jb? ?‍♀️
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:37pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I know you are all woman wg despite your girly handle! 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:40pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Anyway. It’s obvious you were hovering here looking for response’s so secondcumming is doing what he does best by the look of it! 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:42pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        No, not hovering Jb … Lots to do, including making lunch for my hardworking hubby. ?
        
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        January 8, 2019 2:19pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Then the best response to that is “sudo make me a sandwich” – invoke admin privileges (note one should not use root privileges in these situations – it can be misunderstood too easily and lead to difficulties)
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:25am
    - KevOB
      
      What are you lining up for?
      
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      January 8, 2019 12:54pm
artemisia

Questions.
Why is Shane Jones so concerned about BP publicising the cost breakdown of petrol?
Is BP telling porkies?
What exactly is ‘corporate candy speak’?
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January 8, 2019 9:16am
- Keeping Stock
  
  BP and the other oil companies have been accused of hiking up their margins . The Prime Minister herself has said that New Zealanders are being “fleeced” by oil companies.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/jacinda-ardern-hugely-concerned-by-escalating-fuel-prices-will-introduce-transparency-bill.html
  
  Can you blame BP if they produce evidence that the PM’s claims are false, and designed to curry favour with the public at their expense? And anyway, in any competitive market, a vendor can make whatever they think their product is worth. Profit itself is not a sin.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:54am
  - Ed Snack
    
    The old way that all the fuel companies used to do this was to make their profits at the wholesale level by agreeing to a higher price at the refinery. Thus they could demonstrate that they weren’t making much profit at all at the retail level while pulling in the cash via their dividends from the jointly owned refinery.
    
    This was largely negated as a technique with the introduction of retailers like Gull who don’t buy from the refinery but internationally so they introduced extra competition.
    
    Competition and ensuring that it really exists is the best way to keep prices at the appropriate level – enough to make it worth being in the business but not so much as to extract some form of monopoly rents.
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:30am
    - insider
      
      This is not true. NZRC is a tolling refinery and has been for decades. They never own or sell the oil they process. Instead they receive a fixed fee based on regional refining costs.
      
      The input and output costs of oil and fuel products is done by each oil company. Transfer pricing is closely watched by IRD to ensure it’s reasonable.
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:01am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Oh sure, the big retailers never gamed the transfer pricing mechanism and never took out significant cash dividends from the refinery. Nope, never happened.
        
        Probably a little more policed now, but the IRD doesn’t have much concern over internal transfer pricing. The TP regime is really intended for international transfers, much easier to get away with it internally because as far as the IRD is concerned, the tax is paid at some point so there’s no tax evasion involved, just a shift in who is paying it.
        
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        January 8, 2019 1:07pm
      - insider
        
        I think you are mixing up transfer pricing of oil and petrol with internal transfers for services etc.
        
        For the former, you can’t really boost it because oil, refining and shipping prices are fully transparent. IRD would come knocking if you were charging your subsidiary $100 a barrel if the market was only $50.
        
        But the cost of internal services is much harder. All global businesses legitimately build up service operations in low tax locations – NZ based businesses are no exception – and maximise revenue in them through internal charges.
        
        But it’s still not a blank cheque to charge what you like because IRD has the ability to assess what it considers a real cost, independent of what a company thinks, and it has a lot of data to draw on.
        
        You’d be stupid to overburden your local business with internal service charges because you’d just make yourself an audit target. And no-one likes being audited…
        
        Also the refinery is a publicly listed company. It is a nice reliable dividend provider for people like me. I suspect me and other shareholders would be concerned if its dividend policy stripped out cash
        
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        January 8, 2019 2:18pm
- sooty
  
  The truth that Shane can’t handle?
  Who knows?
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:56am
- Sofia
  
  Also, while Jones says “The only reason this corporate candy-speak episode is blighting our holidays is because they know they cannot evade their legal obligations once the Commerce Commission gets cracking on their pricing practices.”
  … he however does not seem to dispute any of the figures BP gives or point out where any of their percentages are in error.
  
  Further, if as a spokesperson for BP says that information about the breakdown of costs has always been available on the company website, “once the Commerce Commission gets cracking” why will it take a year to check out the figures?
  
  And when this issue is as sensitive as it seems, with Ardern’s “fleecing us” comment, would BP conceivably print a pamphlet giving figures which would be different to those they’d give the Inquiry?
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:58pm
  - insider
    
    And has he damaged the CC’s investigation with his comments? If it is an adverse finding the lawyers will possibly be considering political interference based on his and arderns comments
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:41pm
KeaRea

https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/live-blog-159/entry-249267/

Having just finished Emma by Jane Austen despite my extreme opposition to Ruth Bader Ginsberg I am appalled at the Democrats callous disregard for her wellbeing as an elderly woman.

RBG was unable to appear in the Supreme Court because her condition is so degraded and so unpleasant to observe she is being withheld from public view.

An 85 year old woman who has served her causes industriously should be permitted to retire and have a care for her own wellbeing.

It grates very much that the Democrats so vociferously champion the affairs of women, whilst literally hounding their supposed favourite women into an early grave for political expediency.

RBG is going to die because the Democrats won’t allow an old woman any peace.
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January 8, 2019 9:21am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  I disagree KeaRea. RBG is going to die because she has an illness. While it is usually safe to presume the Democrats are behind pretty much all the evils of the world – in this case I believe RBG is very much the main culprit in exacerbating her health issues.
  
  From the appallingly injudicious comments she made about being unable to serve Trump if elected, to the clear hubris she showed in clinging on during the Obama years when she should have retired and made way for Obama to replace her with another alt-left idealogue – she is the author of her own problems. Clearly RBG was hanging on for what she expected to be an orgy of feminist self-congratulating when the first female SCOTUS judge resigned to the first female President (HRC).
  
  Sadly like all modern feminist claptrap – the separation between her fantasy world and the real one was huge.
  
  The silly old duffer boxed herself in to this impossible situation. Having announced she’d move to NZ rather than serve Trump, when he won – she couldn’t do the honest, honourable, principled, decent thing and step-down – because she’d give up a liberal seat for a conservative. So she has to cling on in the hope that Trump is unseated in 2020.
  
  If she’d been so smart, so brilliant, so insightful, so committed to the cause – she’d have retired at the start of Obama’s second term – but as she wasn’t any of those things – she’s successfully screwed SCOTUS to the right (barely given how Kavanaugh is working out and how Roberts appears to have gone off the reservation) for a couple of generations.
  
  Golf claps to the poster-girl, alt-left feminist, in the end delivering the whip hand to the man she hates so much.
  
  So much winning for Trump.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:45am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Sadly, I largely agree with you, DP. I think a 28th Amendment is very much overdue.
    
    Some years ago, I read somewhere of a plan for reforming the Supreme Court by abolishing life tenure and instead appointing justices to a fixed 18-year term, staggered such that one seat comes up every two years. An Amendment such as this would ensure that every president would be able to appoint at least 2 justices, and it would reduce the incentive to appoint young jurists, who might serve for more than 30 years (with the risk of ending up like RBG). (Bush 43 appointed Justice Roberts to the Court (as Chief Justice!) in 2005 when he (Roberts) was just 40 years and 8 months old!!)
    
    And, of course, such an Amendment would greatly reduce the incentive for justices to time their resignations (should they wish to resign, rather than cling on to the bitter end) so that they are replaced by a politically-friendly president.
    
    Having said all that, I like the way we do things. This is how the Chief Justice (Justices?) gets to be appointed: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/process-underway-appoint-next-chief-justice-new-zealand. And, in New Zealand, we have a mandatory retirement age for judges of 70.
    
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    January 8, 2019 4:04pm
- KevOB
  
  There is a very strong suggestion from RBG that she won’t retire so as to deny the current POTUS an opportunity to nominate a replacement.
  
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  January 8, 2019 12:59pm
  - Sideoiler
    
    There is a very strong suggestion from RBG that she won’t retire so as to deny the current POTUS an opportunity to nominate a replacement.
    
    I think she will be fortunate to see out 20019, one way or another Trump will nominate her replacement.
    Unless something goes really badly for Trump the dems could run Jesus Christ himself and Trump will still win a second term.
    As for Liarwatha and creepy uncle Joe Biden, well tell em they’re dreaming.
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:32pm
    - KevOB
      
      Yes, her desires may be thwarted. RBG must have been capable and respected to have become a Supreme Court Judge. We can all go a bit wonky over time.
      
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      January 8, 2019 7:04pm
Manolo

The religion of peace is the way to go, isn’t it?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46777848

An 18-year-old Saudi woman who fled her family at the weekend has left Bangkok airport “under the care” of the UN refugee agency, the head of Thailand’s immigration police says.

She said she feared her family would kill her as she had renounced Islam.
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January 8, 2019 9:31am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Manolo, not forgetting the fact that your idol the US President continues to insist that Saudia Arabia is a vitally important ally and friend of the US.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:42am
  - Manolo
    
    @stephieboy: I’m talking about your primitive and violent cult, not the relationship between the USA and Saudi Arabia.
    
    You should be put to death after renouncing the vile Islam, right? Fact.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:45am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Manolo, the US President and his administration by their actions would disagree with your sweeping generalisations about how the Saudis practice their Islamic faith and your crude depiction of it!
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:50am
      - Manolo
        
        Nothing is crude compared to executing apostates, stoning adulterers, throwing homosexuals off buildings, beheading infidels, raping innocent girls and women, bombing/burning temples, among other Islamic achievements.
        
        What is crude, stephieboy?
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:12am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Manolo, you making broad brush sweeping generalisations about Muslims suggesting an act of terrorism by ISS or similar reflects badly on” all” Muslims!
        
        That is what i call crude and a crude generalisation!
        
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        January 8, 2019 10:58am
- dime
  
  so she stops over in Thailand, on her way to Aussie to ask for asylum? the fuck? stay in Thailand.
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:45am
- Sofia
  
  Manolo, to perhaps be clearer, it is not necessarily her family views in regard to possible death for renouncing Islam, but a wider issue.
  
  Alqunun also told some media outlets that she had renounced Islam, a criminal offence in Saudi Arabia that can be punishable by death.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/109761028/woman-at-bangkok-airport-to-be-forcibly-returned-to-saudi-arabia-where-she-fears-family-will-kill-her
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:46pm
MCos

An 18 year old Saudi woman did a runner from her parents in Kuwait heading for Australia where she hoped to claim asylum.
She made it as far as Bangkok Airport where she was kidnapped in the transit area by some Saudis and taken to an airport hotel waiting for deportation back to her family who she said would kill her because she’d renounced Islam.
We know all this because she’d managed to hang onto her phone and has a Twitter account.
By now the very recently appointed head of Thai immigration, Surachate Hakparn aka Big Joke by the Thais, was rushing to the airport.
Rather than coming to her assistance he insisted she be deported.
However she’d barracaded herself in the dunny and missed the flight.
Later some UNHCR people turned up and she left with them after being given a temporary visa.
By now the spotlight was on Thailand who have their tourist industry to think about.
However there’s a reason why Surachate is known as Big Joke and there’s no telling what he’ll do now.
Also.
There’s already bad blood between Saudi & Thailand going back almost thirty years to when a Thai worker pinched a huge amount of jewelry and shot off back home. He would have got away with it except his village suddenly had big parties every night . . . .
Most of it was never recovered, but the wife of a top policeman was seen wearing some at an official function.
I wouldn’t be surprised if in a while when the dust is settled something happens to this unfortunate woman.
Could be wrong.
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January 8, 2019 9:34am
- howitis
  
  The Thais have to be careful.
  
  They have a couple of moozlem States on the southern border with Malaysia that often break out and cause trouble.
  Would you except anything else from Moozlems?
  
  They have been causing trouble for decades as moozlems are prone to do as part of their accepting hospitality in another country then setting about taking over the joint with their 700 AD desert nomad thinking… by whatever means necessary.
  https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/southern-thailand-s-separatist-violence-shows-no-signs-of-ending-1.2952761
  
  From 2013 in the Telegraph:
  “Muslim insurgents fighting for a separate state in Thailand’s deep south launched 50 bomb and arson attacks over the weekend, killing three members of the security forces as violence in the troubled region intensifies.”
  
  Malaysia itself is always a place to be wary off and then there is the largest moozlem nation in the world right next door with Indonesia.
  Thailand borders Burma which itself has trouble with marauding Moozlems.
  In isolated NZ we need to take these factors into account.
  
  Being the complete and utter arseholes that Saudi ‘royalty’ are they WILL fund terrorists attacks on Thailand and that will affect their tourism and economy. Saudis don’t even like the ‘other moozlem’ lot in oh, say, Iran, Qatar, or Yemen.
  They won’t mess around with taking direct action on Thailand.
  Where were the majority of 9/11 plane hijackers from ?
  
  Thailand has to look at the greater good of their country over the needs of one (ex) Moozlem princess.
  Thai politics are very precarious and the new king is none too popular after his popular 88 year old father died two years ago (a warning for Britain) .
  
  Fair enough that Thailand puts its own country’s interests ahead of one foreigner in transit at their airport.
  Tough but true.
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:46pm
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“She said she feared her family would kill her as she had renounced Islam.”

In the same way that Ahmed Zaoui renounced Islam while he was in a NZ prison only to rejoin Islam upon his release?
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January 8, 2019 9:35am
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  I understand that Ahmen Zouui renounced the terrorist politics and that he was allegedly associated in his country of birth, Algeria!
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:40am
  - big bruv
    
    Those same terrorist politics that Zaoui was convicted for?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:42am
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      Ahmed Zaoui – threat to national security or wronged refugee?
      
      “..An associate professor of theology at the University of Algiers and imam of his local mosque, Zaoui was a candidate for the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS), which won a landslide victory in Algeria’s first free elections in 1991.
      
      Within a month, a bloody military coup put an end to democracy.
      
      For the last 12 years, the military and the Islamic Armed Group (GIA) have been fighting for control of the oil-rich nation, with more than 200,000 killings, unlawful detentions, torture, rape and “disappearances”.
      
      Branded an “enemy of the state”, Zaoui fled to Europe, where he continued to lobby for a peaceful resolution to the conflict
      
      However, foreign powers have been far from sympathetic: Belgium and France both convicted him on vague charges of “association” with terrorists; Switzerland expelled him, and he left Malaysia after reports the Algerian regime was seeking his extradition.
      
      On his arrival in New Zealand, he was initially branded a suspected terrorist, but was declared a genuine asylum-seeker in August by the Refugee Status Appeals Authority, which was heavily critical of the Customs Service, police, and the Security Intelligence Service (SIS) for the dubious quality of their evidence….”
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3530995
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:48am
      - pentwig
        
        stoopidthing
        not sure if you are a terrorist apologist or
        a terrorist proponent
        i wonder if the SIS have an interest in you ralphie?
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:13am
      - Jack5
        
        Bugger! Accidentally gave Stephie X an uptick.That’s like stepping in camel poop. ?
        
        It’s interesting that the Islamic Salvation Front, of which Zaoui was a candidate, has an armed wing, the Islamic Salvation Army:
        
        https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/islamic-salvation-front-fis
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:45am
      - Jack5
        
        Mention of Zaoui brings to mind his lawyer, Deborah Manning.
        
        And Manning brings to mind her friend, Kaileshan “Kailesh” Thanabalasingham, secretary of the Refugee Council, who died in an unexplained Auckland house fire. He was of the same name, ethnicity, and age of a man deported from Canada after leading a violent ethnic gang.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:52am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Jack 5
        
        The Coroner’s report has just been released about that fire.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/109152316/blaze-that-killed-four-members-of-auckland-family-was-definitely-survivable-firefighter-says
        
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        January 8, 2019 1:59pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW , a coroner’s report that leads to conclude what? ( surmise if you like )
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:05pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thanks Maggy, I missed the coroner’s report.
        
        The Toronto ethnic gang violence continues.
        
        A Canadian newspaper, The Globe and Mail, reported last April: “Police sources say there may have been as many as 50 cases of gun play involving Tamil gangs in the past six months, ranging from killings and woundings to shots that missed cars.”
        
        Refugee worker, Diana Swarbrick, grandmother of Green MP Chloe Swarwick, was reported shortly after the fire as saying that a Givealittle web appeal for Thanabalasingham’s surviving daughter raised more than $83,000.
        
        Background links about the Toronto gang wars in which a Kaileshan Thanabalasingham led a Tamil gang:
        
        The deportation from Canada of Thanabalasingham:
        
        http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/2006/03/tamil-gang-boss-deported-to-sri-lanka.html
        
        AND:
        
        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.sri-lanka/OkKKP4cRzLY
        
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        January 8, 2019 4:27pm
- kiwitoffee
  
  Where is Mr Zaoui (sp?) these days?
  
  If I remember rightly, upon release he moved to Palmerston North and set up a business selling kebabs.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:40am
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    He’s actually hiding under big bruv’s bed waiting for the right opportunity to strike.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:45am
    - big bruv
      
      “He’s actually hiding under big bruv’s bed waiting for the right opportunity to strike.”
      
      What, him, and D4J?
      
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      January 8, 2019 10:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        big bruv, a tad paranoid there.
        
        Get help!
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:01am
      - Jack5
        
        What if suddenly Algeria wanted Zaoui back?
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:33am
  - simpleton1
    
    Seems that Zaoui did ok, selling his business in Palmerston North and headed on to Auckland.
    Sold to another entrepreneur that did not do as well.
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/90582098/desert-rose-leaves-more-than-40000-of-debts-after-liquidation
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:37am
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      Thanks.
      
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      January 8, 2019 1:16pm
  - Inandout
    
    He had a business under the name of Zawi. A Mr Singh of Sandringham signed a consent form.
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:41pm
- Paulus
  
  Zaoui and 18 relatives who followed.
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:12pm
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Is Trump preparing for a popular uprising, rather than re-election?

OPINION: Donald Trump is not behaving like a man seeking re-election. His latest nod to the radical possibility of declaring National Emergency powers to erect his beloved border wall is just the latest case in point.

There are two theories as to why this is, but only one of them makes any sense as a political strategy for the embattled United States president.

The first is to take Trump at his word: that he expects to run in 2020 and his relentless pursuit of his 35 per cent base will somehow deliver enough votes for re-election. In reality, Trump’s abandonment of swing voters in favour of a base-only approach will doom any prospect of a second term (if he makes it that far).
Don’t take my word for it. Barely two months ago, Republicans lost the national House race by 10 million votes, the largest such margin since Watergate. The midterms were so indisputably a referendum on the Trump presidency that even Trump admitted as much – in fact, he did so ad nauseam throughout his red state rally tour in October…’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/109763155/is-trump-preparing-for-a-popular-uprising-rather-than-reelection

The important point is that the President is relying on his core blue collar, evangelical and conservative vote base. The 35 %.He has no proposals to expand that by putting forward more moderate polices to attract more moderate supporters ( including the existing ones within the GOP and elsewhere ). A non-compromise,non negotiation stance that could see further polarisation with no consensus. A drift towards either running as an independent or open rebellion as he promised if Hillary Clinton had won the poll 8th November 2016.

Chilling!
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January 8, 2019 9:37am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Odd that you think this Opinion piece (“Opinion piece” translates to anti-Trump hate speech) is “chilling” but you don’t think that a sitting President using the intelligence agencies to spy on an opposition candidate is “chilling”. Also odd that you don’t think that attempts to subvert elections by bussing in illegal voters is “chilling”. Odd also that you don’t think the weaponisation of utterly unsubstantiated rape allegations to prevent a good man from being put on SCOTUS is “chilling”.
  
  I guess it must be nice for you to be so selective about when you are “chilled” or not by obvious wrongs.
  
  Now take two panadol and lie down – maybe your TDS will abate soon.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:52am
- kloyd0306
  
  ….yet no mention of the 2010 mid terms, Obama’s first term, when the Dumbocrats lost 68 House seats.
  
  …and also no mention of the fact that Trump’s party GAINED two Senate seats in the most recent mid terms.
  
  Some opinion piece!
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:38am
kiwitoffee

Death for apostasy.
It’s brutally simple and effective.
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January 8, 2019 9:37am
- kowtow
  
  And we let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants to the west who believe that is the literal word of God and the right thing to do.
  
  Our “leaders” have a lot to answer for.
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:03am
  - Jazzby
    
    In my view, the West faces three ever-present and overriding evils:
    1. Communist expansionism
    2. The nuclear threat (deriving from (1)
    3. Islamic activism and infiltration.
    
    We have enjoyed relative peace on borrowed time.
    Our government appears to be either blind to these things, or devoid of any strategy that might benefit our survival; indeed, it seems to have gone out of its way to alienate the very allies we’ll need in the face of such existential threat.
    
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    January 8, 2019 4:42pm
- simpleton1
  
  Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a trusted and revered leader to muslims in explaining the literal word of God, that is in Mohammad’s sayings, actions and deeds.
  It infers that the West should not pose a danger to islam by supporting the ones who leaves.
  The muslim community has duties to protect itself.
  
  Al-Qaradawi says that apostasy – Muslims leaving Islam – is a grave danger to the Muslim community and that it is the duty of all Muslims “is to combat apostasy in all its forms and wherefrom it comes, giving it no chance to pervade in the Muslim world”.
  In February 2013, Qaradawi stated on Egyptian television that the application of the death penalty for those who leave Islam is a necessity, stating, “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment Islam wouldn’t exist today.”
  Qaradawi also cited several speeches and writings by Muhammad and his followers, such as Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:33, which he quoted as “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle is that they should be murdered or crucified.” Qaradawi further explained, ” … many hadiths, not only one or two, but many, narrated by a number of Muhammad’s companions state that any apostate should be killed. Ibn ‘Abbas’s hadith: ‘Kill whoever changes his faith [from Islam].'” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi
  
  Even in the West, islam is protected by its apologists and money, in a ‘power combo’ then rules by fear.
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:55am
holysheet

I hate it when fuckwits here on KB make me break my new years resolution. It was not to swear so much.
But I knew it would be one I couldn’t keep. The fuckwittery from those on the left is just too much for my normally good sensibilities and standards to withstand
Sorry.
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January 8, 2019 9:43am
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  Apologies accepted! The same resolution kept for the family dinner table in 2019?
  
  To Missus: ” Shut the F up and pass the ..
  
  Son; Eat up you little c…
  
  etc, etc
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:52am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    To Missus: ” Shut the F up and pass the ..
    Son; Eat up you little c…
    
    I doubt Holysheet speaks to his family that way.
    
    Now, seeing as you’re into New Year resolutions, clearing out the skeletons from the closet and turning your life around, what was Nostalgia-NZ saying about you on his blog?
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:03am
    - stephieboy
      
      Nostradamus, (Quack, Quack !) the only appropriate response to you,
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjMqRBrOcdM
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:05am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Careful Stephieboy.
        
        “People might think you’re – – – up to something” – Professor Snape
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:12am
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    holysheet isnt muslim. no way he speaks to have his family like that.
    
    Dime used to employ some young Muslims as salespeople. It would astound me how they would speak to their mothers if she made a mistake with their lunch.
    
    “you fucking dumb bitch” etc etc etc
    
    those same guys had terrible attitudes toward women in general. go figure.
    
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    January 8, 2019 10:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      dime , I believe I have the right to assume that abusive comments of the kind he is notorious for are more than likely repeated in the home!
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:07am
      - pentwig
        
        why do you believe you have the right stoopidthing?
        
        duh
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:18am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Pentwig:
        
        He’s too stupid to realise that the same argument can be used against him: people have the right to make assumptions based on the kind of perverted comments he’s notorious for. Truly Kiwiblog’s dumbest commenter!
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:21am
      - dime
        
        I have the right to assume you’re a creepy sex pest who likes underage girls, based on comments you’ve made here.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:48am
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus and coy,
        
        again the only worthwhile response,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjMqRBrOcdM
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:16pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Have you ever considered that some people use abusive comments toward people who appear to hanker for them?
        Maybe you shouldn’t have that bulls-eye on your forehead.
        
        And do you insist on injecting your stupidity into otherwise intelligent conversation and speak to your family members the way you address others on KB:
        Duh, Idiot, See your doctor, quotes from wikipedia, underwear, Quack, quack, climate deniers, Burp, Fart, small but ample breasts, Stormy Daniels, what about, Get Help, according to Vanity Fair .., Trumpeter, Sigh?
        
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        January 8, 2019 12:41pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Brilliant, Shaun!
        
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        January 8, 2019 7:04pm
  - holysheet
    
    Ca-ching stooooopidboy,
    Can you and I go fishing together? You are sooooo good at taking the bait, imagine all the fish we can catch.
    Mind you, once we have finished fishing, you will be chucked overboard. I doubt you need worry about being eaten, the fish are fussy about what they eat.
    
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    January 8, 2019 1:30pm
Nostradamus

An interesting Reuters article: Explainer: Trump’s emergency threat on wall risks dual legal challenge

It covers (among other things) the law:

Under the Constitution, decisions about spending taxpayer funds and creating new policy are made by Congress. However, the president can make quick decisions during emergencies under a patchwork of laws in specific situations such as war, natural disasters and epidemics.

A 2007 report by the Congressional Research Service, a nonpartisan research arm of the legislature, said: “Both the judiciary and Congress, as co-equal branches, can restrain the executive regarding emergency powers.”

The National Emergencies Act of 1976 was meant to create a congressional check on presidential emergencies. Under the law, the president must notify Congress and the public about an emergency declaration. Congress can override such a declaration, but it requires approval by both chambers. That could be hard to get with the House of Representatives under the control of Democrats, but the Senate in the hands of Trump’s fellow Republicans.

So, if the Congress process leads to a stalemate, then it’s off to court.

Legal scholars said it was unclear exactly how such a step would play out, but they agreed that a court test would likely focus on whether an emergency actually exists on the southern border and on the limits of presidential power over taxpayer funds.

The position is unclear (for me at least).

One scenario: Trump declares a national emergency; gets access to the money; spends the money (while his legal team defends the national emergency declaration in court proceedings that take years) – by which time the wall is built.

Another scenario: a court issues an injunction that preserves the status quo (ie the money can’t be spent until a court rules on the matter). An injunction in a supposed national emergency situation seems unlikely, but who knows.
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January 8, 2019 10:33am
- mikenmildagain
  
  In that first scenario, it seem unlikely that much of the wall could be built before the emergency was tested in court. But maybe some of the fencing that the president was showing off recently could be in place. No way is there ever gonig to be a multi-billion dollar wall the full length of the border as repeatedly promised
  The second scenario seems more likely. Injunctions havebeen readily obtained for President Dotard’s brain farts before.
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:52am
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    Mikenmild:
    
    I don’t know anything about US injunction law, but in NZ (and similar jurisdictions) the three-part test is: (1) serious question to be tried; (2) damages would be an adequate remedy; (3) balance of convenience [ie is it easiest to preserve the status quo or allow things to proceed in the meantime].
    
    Yes, US courts have issued injunctions with respect to Trump decisions, but where a national emergency is asserted, how quickly can a matter go to trial? There’s an exchange of documents (and preliminary skirmishes about whether or not specific documents are required to be disclosed). Then there’s preparation and presentation of legal argument. And then there’s appeal after appeal as things move up the judicial ladder.
    
    What I’m not clear on is how closely a court would scrutinise a claim that a declaration was justified on national emergency grounds (on a preliminary basis). This situation strikes me as different from others that we’ve seen – eg the Muslim ban, where a decision can be suspended while the court considers the matter. Time will tell I guess.
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:03am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think a court might not have to look any further than Trump’s own admission that he is considering declaring an emergency so that he can get money for his wall
      
      So it so insignificant as a national emergency that he is taking a couple days to decide whether or not it’s an emergency. Allied to that, he’s come right out and said it’s just a tactic to get the wall funded.
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:13am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mikenmild:
        
        I agree that there are arguments to support an injunction in current circumstances. Equally, though, if he’d quickly declared a national emergency when the migrant caravan was approaching, and played up the potential terrorist thread, it’s quite possible that a court would have given him the benefit of the doubt. Either way, this seems likely to be headed for the courts, so it’ll be interesting.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:19am
      - Than
        
        Agreed.
        
        From Merriam-Webster;
        Emergency – an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action
        
        The keyword in that definition to me is “immediate”; an emergency is a sudden change in circumstances, requiring action as quickly as possible. If Trump can afford to take his time deciding whether something is an emergency, then it’s not an emergency.
        
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        January 8, 2019 11:34am
DigNap15

The BP Pamphlet

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/379660/petrol-prices-minister-labels-bp-pamphlet-move-cynical

Could we get some other companies to do a similar breakdown.

Eg Countdown / Pack n Save / Fonterra on Milk

Chemists on beauty products

Briscoes on Sheets

Harvey Norman on Furniture
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January 8, 2019 10:33am
- Ruahine
  
  Dear Shane. The truth can cause hurty feelings. This is especially so for those who travel in Ministerial vehicles. The rest of us just get hurt at the pump.
  
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  January 8, 2019 10:47am
- Tall Man
  
  The government showing us what their plans are for the future and what that will cost.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:53pm
dime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmdiisLr5ug&t=1s

classic. clip of an old speech from Chuck about border security.

“good border control means more jobs, higher GDP and a lower deficit, no one would be against that. no one”

BAHAHAHA

his niece is an unfunny pig too
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January 8, 2019 10:51am
- Tall Man
  
  Politics make liars of the left.
  
  In ardern’s case it wasn’t politics, she’s just a liar.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:51pm
KeaRea

Proverbs 16:18 – Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/u-s-senates-first-bill-in-midst-of-shutdown-is-a-bipartisan-defense-of-the-israeli-government-from-boycotts/

This is a very good piece in the Intercept.

The United States Government is in partial shut-down over whether or not it is to be considered a state with border sovereignty, electoral integrity, and economic sustainability. The GOP controlled Senate is scrutinising a bill. It is the first bill of the present session. Traditionally a first bill for consideration sets out the priorities of the Executive and Senate majority. What might one expect a Republican bill at present to consider? International trade? Foreign Policy? Russia, China, Europe? Immigration? Health Insurance? Judicial Reform?

The bill, sponsored by Marco Rubio seeks to give state and local governments legal authority to boycott any US companies which refrain from trading with Israel – which is defined to be a ‘boycott’.

Twenty six states have already enacted law sanctioning entities which divert trade from Israel. Thirteen more states are pending. Rubio’s bill is designed to prevent constitutional challenge to those sanctions.

These punishments will also hit individual American citizens. The sanctions will apply to individual contractors who are sole proprietors or director/share-holder companies.

That is what happened to Bahia Amawi, who lost her job working with autistic children because she refused to promise not to buy goods produced from Israel. Bahia didn’t actually say she would not buy goods from Israel. She only reserved her right to choose to buy and sell at her discretion.

Not only that – the Bill says the United States must arm Israel sufficient to ‘superiority over any combination of states’. ‘Any’ states. It mandates transfer of all new American technologies. It also requires the establishment of an indeterminately sized fund for the Kingdom of Jordan, $1billion per year to Jordan, and actually mandates that the US maintain a troop presence in Syria.

Thus, the priority of the Republican Senate is totally divorced from the priority of the Executive and the President, or the electorate. The United States’ governs for Israel first; observably, undeniably, literally.

The priorities of the United States’ Senate led by Marco Rubio are totally opposed to the priorities of the United States of America. Democrat, or Republican, Black, White or Hispanic. Not a soul or a citizen beyond the United States Senate, AIPAC and the Jewish community regards repudiating the First Amendment of the United States Constitution for Israel’s benefit the singular legislative priority of a government in shutdown.

It is clear, the United States Senate on a bipartisan basis serves the interests of AIPAC, not the United States’ electorate. Setting the S1 Senate bundle to Israel could not be a more resounding literal and symbolic demonstration of Israel’s supremacy.

The United States is a salient topic for general debate because it is the source of the major trends that will effect New Zealand. Theory and economy. The changes in conservative philosophy occurring in the United States will profoundly affect us. I do a favour actually, even alluding to it.

Commenters here often complain about an irrational preoccupation by other commenters with the affairs of Israel.

But here is the reason for the attentiveness. Because a clearer demonstration could not be provided that AIPAC and Israel determine the intellectual and governance agendas of the United States of America.

Food-stamps for urban dependencies will not be forthcoming until the Wall is funded. Those urban zones could burn. And until there is a wall, they should burn. But the priority is Israel.

If a person of insight wants to discuss contemporary affairs, it is impossible not to discuss Israel and Jewish occupation, because if not central or primary it is salient. It is not a morbid fascination or unfounded pathological obsession on the part of observers of this phenomenon. If it arises, again, and again, and again, that is because it is relevant.

I may or may not be a European male in the range of 25 – 35. One of the first proper novels I read was The Hope by Herman Wouk, which sub-grouped to reading about the figures named therein. I formed a set of favourable views.

Rather then express my present view, I’ll just quote Theodore Beale’s response to this Bill – which is representative.

If you wonder why Marco Rubio’s is a name that echoes (()) this is why. Do you know why those brackets materialised? They mark the extremely uncomfortable tension, gravity, dissonance and adjustment that occurs when one says ‘The Jews’. You’re feeling it right now. That is as it may be. On to Theodore’s response.
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- KeaRea
  
  Following on:
  
  “…This outrageous, infuriating, disgusting attempt to literally FORCE Americans to economically submit to the Israeli economy makes me want to put every single (removed) Neo-Palestinian on a boat tomorrow… The mere fact that the Neo-Palestinian lobby in the USA could even entertain such an abominable action, let alone imagine that it is even remotely Constitutional and attempt to put it into effect, makes five things eminently clear to every single American.
  1) Jews are not and can never be Americans. They are a distinct nation with their own homeland and their own interests, some of which are totally incompatible with American interests and values.
  
  2) Jews do not understand the first thing about America. They don’t fathom the core American concept of liberty any better than the average Amazonian tribesman or Swedish socialist does.
  
  3) There was never any such thing as a “Judeo-Christian” heritage. There are no “Judeo-Christian” values. That is propaganda created in the mid-20th century and utilized to help pass the 1965 Naturalization Act that demographically destroyed the USA.
  
  4) All those nations that kicked the Jews out over the last two thousand years probably had good reasons for doing so.
  
  5) Marco Rubio is an enemy of the American people. This is exactly why you should never elect immigrants and the children of immigrants to rule over you.
  
  …I strongly suspect that the decision to push this provocative and obviously unconstitutional law now is part of the Republican establishment’s plan to kill the Wall, defend the Swamp, and primary President Trump in 2020.”
  
  That is a point of view. I’ve removed the objectionable parts.
  
  That point of view reflects that of every principled conservative who has an interest in the United States’ Constitution, the single last sanctuary for free speech in the world.
  
  My position is that S.1 is deliberate provocation drafted by virulent anti-semites. The bill will cause an explosive backlash once it is understood. The bill is a disaster for the Israel – United States’ relationship, and anyone who is a friend of either.
  
  Here is how perverse the Bill is. It places a presumption of anti-semitism on every commercial decision made by a commercial operator in the United States. A decision favouring a non-Israeli counter-party or product in any commercial context with an Israeli actor will be prima facie boycott divestment and sanction.
  
  The Bill would literally end the first amendment to the Constitution, and make every American the outright economic slave of the Israeli.
  
  The Bill is going to have very serious consequences. I would encourage all the friends of Israel who read Kiwiblog, quite seriously, to contact their acquaintances and protest this anti-semitic attempt to end the Israel – United States alliance and cause outrage and hostility to the Jews by their friends.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:24am
  - KeaRea
    
    Okay? So if you are a New Zealand firm in an economic relationship with an American firm, and the American firm has to choose between your business and an Israeli business, by this bill your business is in fact included within a presumption of anti-semitism afforded by commercial competition with Israel.
    
    As a Goyim, your right to compete with Israel is regarded unfortunately by many of our Jewish friends as intrinsically illegitimate. Your American counter-party could face prison, and/or a $250,000.00 fine and of course all legal costs incurred in proving that the decision to contract with you and not the Israeli entity was neutral, and ‘not’ endorsement of Divestment, Boycott and Sanction.
    
    One will not be permitted both to buy and sell, and also ‘not buy and sell’.
    
    Revelations 13:17
    “And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name”.
    
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    January 8, 2019 11:38am
    - KevOB
      
      Isn’t The USA in its death throes? Can it be governed except by the military?
      
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      January 8, 2019 1:26pm
      - KeaRea
        
        The passage of that bill would accelerate the process, with locomotion. But yes, the trend is well underway. 2040 for dissolution.
        
        If it is illegal not to trade with Israel, why, the muslims are merely another exoression of the Post war diaspora. The first amendment most assuredly requires facilitation of trade and settlement of peoples with the dar el Islam! Clearly if it is permissable to prevent a negative, we must prevent the US resiling from the UN Migration Compact. After all, the United States, so large, with so much to give, must tikkun the olam! To do otherwise would be so, ‘un Christian’.
        
        What do you think happens to free speech advocacy everywhere once the first amendment is subverted? It will become extremely difficult. It exerts moral weight and this is well understood.
        
        It is a brazen effort to split Trump from the evangelicals. Giving Jerusalem itself and so much else was clearly not enough. It will backfire. Spectacularly. It really will. The judgment on display is most unsound.
        
        Egypt by the way also has a ban on traders who buy Israel. What do you think will happen when US commerce is faced with a choice – access to the massive Egyptian market, or thr prospect of asphyxiation by Jewish lawyers? If it’s Israel or every other country in the region it will hurt everyone. This is obvious. Why would they do this?
        
        It is simply outrageous to the point of disbelief.
        
        The mass downticks are also very telling. Imagine making it criminal ‘not to do business’ with an entire race?! How would they determine whether election for a gentile over an Israeli operation was due to prejudice or commercial preferences? Because Israel is Seamlessly interchangeable with a proper noun when it serves. Or, separated by a measureless gulf should that serve instead. Which do you think here serves?
        
        I won’t go on about this every day. But I think the truth of the sentiments is evident in the scale of the response.
        
        This is really bad.
        
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        January 8, 2019 4:10pm
  - KeaRea
    
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-far-right-german-politician-13826732
    
    The Chairman of the largest right party in the Bundestag, Frank Magnitz, was just the subject of an attempted political assassination and is in hospital in critical condition.
    
    No doubt the 100 security cameras will all simultaenously experience a synchronized error. The weirdly professional assailants speaking a language similar to Arabic but not quite, or some kind of strangely accented German will never be found etc etc.
    
    His hospital equipment might suddenly fail. All the usual. Same old.
    
    All the comments say this white man deserves to die for being white and speaking for the oppressed German people, who want to exist.
    
    So, all the downtickers. What do you think is going to happen? I’m just an idiot right?
    
    So we have a bill to turn all Americans into Israels indentured servants at Israels discretion, and an attempted possibly still successful assassination on the chairman and leader of what actually could be considered the German right wing party ie National. In the street on New Years morning.
    
    What do you think will happen? You smart credentialled cosmopolitans with a firm grasp of the issues of the day?
    
    Can you imagine how it feels to be humiliated to such nth degrees for Americans and Germans who think they and their values of liberty have a right to exist?
    
    Do you think this is some kind of pantomime?
    
    Think my language is pompous and offensive?
    
    I really hope that they stop soon. The Hegelian dialectic of controlling both sides doesn’t work as well with the internet. Im sure the right will show retraint. The longer they do the more they wont when they dont.
    
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    January 8, 2019 5:16pm
secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTIONS

1. Who, or what, is responsible for the recent high *E coli* readings in the normally pristine Queenstown Bay?

2. Could it just be a coincidence?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaxIrAwU8AAN8zp.jpg
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January 8, 2019 11:05am
- KevOB
  
  Probably Labours Hit PR team. Control over water is still high on the agenda.
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:27pm
dime

this will make the left happy:

“Donald Trump will likely be able to pick the head of the world’s foremost globalist institution, the World Bank.
Jim Yong Kim, the president of the World Bank since 2012, unexpectedly announced that he will be leaving his post on February 1, more than three years ahead of the end of his second term. He was scheduled to serve through 2021, which would have meant his successor would not have been appointed during the first term of the Trump presidency.

Every past World Bank president has been picked by the United States, including Kim, who was previously the president of Dartmouth College. The U.S. Treasury is the largest shareholder of the bank, with about 16 percent of its voting sharees.”
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January 8, 2019 11:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I wonder if he will exercise the same degree of judgement he displayed in choosing the head for the Federal Reserve.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:25am
  - dirty harry
    
    Another mouth fart from the chief mouth farter “ffarrrrttt”..
    
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    January 8, 2019 1:12pm
dime

things aren’t looking flash for ole Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

I think Trump has a chick lined up for her replacement.

Wonder what her crime will have been? maybe she blew everyone in college and earned the nickname “Hoover”?
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January 8, 2019 11:18am
- Inandout
  
  The old Bader is quite ill.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:27am
- holysheet
  
  Nah more like SLG or Cindy….
  Didn’t get that comms degree from waikato for nothing.
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:37pm
tf78

Change of topic to ask a question:
Does anyone here have a tab account and if so are you having trouble putting money into it using your credit card.
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January 8, 2019 12:14pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sorry, I only make withdrawals.
  
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  January 8, 2019 12:48pm
- wiseowl
  
  Cost to deposit is $2.15.
  Says ‘add card’ but no options and nothing in print to say what they will take.
  Can’t figure out how to take a multi?
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:42pm
  - tf78
    
    wiseowl, I’m not sure if that was a question or not but if it was – If you look along the top where the trifectas, quaddies are there is an All Up – press that and muddle your way from there. Seems if you do an win/place bet it goes to the side then go to the next race and place your bet that also goes to the side then put your bet amount in. I’m guessing a bit because I still can’t put money in. Guess it will get easier with practise.
    
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    January 8, 2019 1:55pm
Johnboy

Anyone read this shit?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/109765515/auckland-police-learn-mandarin-to-better-engage-with-chinese-community
What a load of utter crap. If the slopes can’t speaka da english when the cops pull them up the bastards should be on the next flight out. 🙂
What we have to be doing is asking ourselves how the fuck we let them in to start with?
Anyone heard what JK’s up to at the mo? 🙂
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January 8, 2019 12:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  I agree that they should learn and speak English.
  The police should not have to learn 50 other languages.
  The problem is that they tend to stay in their own little bubbles and watch Chinese tv via satellite etc.
  
  PS we all know they can speak English when they want to.
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:06pm
- Jules99
  
  The local pool at Papakura now has signs up in English, Chinese and Korean. I wonder how the very large Maori population feel about that.
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:30pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It’s OK bro they don’t bathe very often not if the one’s I get to sniff at Wainui Countdown are any indication. 🙂
    
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    January 8, 2019 3:08pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Doesn’t matter, they ignore whatever the sign says anyway ’cause ‘tanga whenever bro’
    
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    January 8, 2019 5:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Can they read Korean and Chinese cause they struggle with English
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:42pm
- Longknives
  
  I’m surprised they actually have time for Mandarin lessons as well as all that Hip Hop Dancing, compulsory trips to Mosques etc etc
  Real Police work went out the window years ago…
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:40pm
Manolo

Canadian unhappiness:
https://www.spencerfernando.com/2019/01/07/canadians-economic-pessimism-surges-as-life-gets-more-expensive/

As the Trudeau government hits Canadians with higher taxes (the carbon tax in particular), and slams businesses with bureaucratic regulations, Canadians are growing more and more pessimistic about their economic future and expect the cost of living to keep rising.
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January 8, 2019 12:40pm
- Johnboy
  
  We always tend to follow the Canadian example Manolo! 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2019 12:45pm
- Jules99
  
  Trump might have to build a wall on the northern border soon.
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:26pm
Manolo

A monumental imbecile as Minister of the Crown:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/news/petrol-prices-minister-labels-bp-pamphlet-move-cynical/ar-BBRWs2m

The Cabinet Minister Shane Jones has hit out at BP which has been distributing pamphlets at its petrol stations explaining the cost of a litre of petrol.

Mr Jones described BP’s move as “corporate candy speak” and “cynical”.
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January 8, 2019 12:45pm
- Johnboy
  
  I hope they sent him a complementary video of their pamphlet in a sealed brown paper bag. 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2019 12:47pm
  - RF
    
    And some hand sanitizer.
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:25pm
- KevOB
  
  What’s imbecilic about Jones defending his govts position? BP are defending themselves and Jones is carrying COL policy. Jones knows the best form of defence is attack.
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You need a gun though. Just because he can hold it in his hand and point it at people, doesn’t make it a gun.
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:35pm
- Jules99
  
  “According to BP, 37 percent is the cost of the product, 2 percent is shipping, another 2 percent is the Emissions Trading Scheme levy, 44 percent is taxes – not including the Auckland regional fuel tax, and just 15 per cent is operating costs and margin.”
  
  Well that’s something I didn’t know until Shane Jones raised the issue. Thanks Shane.
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:25pm
secondcumming

Don’t know about anyone else here, but I’ve found if you tuck one part of your pants leg into your sock, people expect less of you.
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January 8, 2019 12:59pm
- dirty harry
  
  Mikenmild will confirm that. He wears socks and Roman sandals also while supping on a tofu smoothie as he sifts around shopping malls.
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:16pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Have you forgotten your other Kiwiblg password again, starboard?
    
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    January 8, 2019 1:26pm
    - pentwig
      
      wow
      paranoria milkmaid?
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:44pm
dime

What a player Ross Taylor is!

Id love to see him bring up his 20th ODI ton today.

I saw an article in the herald praising him the other day, but he doesn’t get enough love.

Edit: when he gets his 20th (today or another day), he will rank 13th in ODI history for most tons. that’s awesome.
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January 8, 2019 1:00pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  20th ODI century duly scored by LRPL Taylor. A fantastic batsman, and a bloody good human as well.
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:07pm
  - Happychappy
    
    He had a pretty good mentor who was also a very good batsman and a good human being.
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:26pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Comment from Cricinfo:
    Since the 2015 World Cup, only Virat Kohli has average more in ODIs (83.97) than Taylor’s 69.72.
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:40pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Yep, and only one of Taylor’s last 10 ODI innings has been under 50.
      
      59 (73) vs Pakistan in New Zealand
      113 (116), 10 (26), 181* (147) vs England in New Zealand
      80 (112), 86 (120)*, DNB vs Pak in the UAE
      54 (37), 90 (105), 137 (131) vs SL in New Zealand.
      
      That’s 810 runs, with 3 100s, 5 50s, average 117.71, and a strike rate of 93.42; that’s just a phenomenal vein of form.
      
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      January 8, 2019 2:56pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        There must be a Sri Lanka supporter in the house 😀
        
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        January 8, 2019 5:21pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Followed up by another brilliant ton from Nicholls (his first).
    364. That will take some beating.
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:58pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      The Sri Lankan supporter just downticked me.
      
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      January 8, 2019 6:32pm
      - pentwig
        
        stoopidthing
        where are you?
        
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        January 8, 2019 8:49pm
Aunty

Question.

1. Was there Russian and/ or Chinese covert interference operations run on social media platforms and in the news media in New Zealand to try to influence the 2017 New Zealand election in favour of Labour?

2. Are there still active and ongoing Russian and/or Chinese interference operations been run on social media platforms and in the news media in New Zealand to try and influence and direct the nature of the political debate in this country? E.g., to keep the COL in power post-2020? To rubbish America? To be pro-Russian and Chinese?

3. Have any of those operatives ever posted or are posting comments on Kiwiblog and other well-known blogs in this country?
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January 8, 2019 1:25pm
- secondcumming
  
  @ Aunty
  
  As my Uncle always says, “Never ask a question you don’t already know the answer to”
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:30pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Aunty.
    I thought we had established it costs about $100,000 to get one MP.
    
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    January 8, 2019 1:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Have any of those operatives ever posted or are posting comments on Kiwiblog and other well-known blogs in this country?
  
  Just in case there is no Russian operative on KB, I’m willing to take on the role for Мега рублей.
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:51pm
mikenmildagain

No, no and no.
Chinese influence is maintained in New Zealand by funding our political parties, control of the Chinese language media here, and providing sweet sinecures for retired politicians.
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January 8, 2019 1:30pm
- Durden
  
  Ask Celia Wade-Brown. She benefited from Chinese largesse in terms of a sinecure at an English Language school.
  
  OIA for info on how many visits she made to China and who all she spoke with when she was Mayor.
  
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  January 8, 2019 1:36pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m not sure, but the travel details formayors and councillors might already be routinely released publicly. But as you are interested, perhaps you could check for us.
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Not happy when the twits you support are hung by your petard are you?
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:27pm
Dave Mann

I was preparing a Guest Post on the 7 most important benefits that Jacinda Adern’s government has brought to our country and for the life of me I couldn’t seem to think of anything.

So I changed tack and my new title was going to be ‘The Great Leap Forward: Aotearoa in 2019’…. but the content scared me shitless so I think I’ll pass on the Guest Posting thingy and leave it up to David Garrett. 😀
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January 8, 2019 2:11pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not sure you would be able to match flipper’s ‘style’ for an extended piece – it looks quite tiring to write.
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    When will you have the courage to pen your own rather than denigrate one who tried?
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:25pm
  - pentwig
    
    the tripe you write is very tiring to read milkmaid
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:54pm
- nasska
  
  To predict the future we must study the past. One of Jacinda’s mentors had a problem with covering up his total incompetence & ruthless indifference to the lives of his subjects too.
  
  ……”When Mao Zedong launched the “Four Pests” campaign during the Great Leap Forward in the 1950s, citizens were ordered to kill flies, mosquitoes, rats and sparrows.
  
  Pest control efforts included banging pots and pans to scare sparrows into flight and have them eventually drop to earth dead from exhaustion.”……
  
  I confidently predict Labour will introduce a bounty on mosquitoes & flies accompanied with compulsory courses on the trapping of rats & their use in recipes. Sparrows everywhere will be expiring from sleep deprivation.
  
  Chompers! Making New Zealand Great Again! 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:43pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Not only making us great again but with a GREAT smile as well nasska! 🙂
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:47pm
    - nasska
      
      Soon the fair Valley of Wainuiomata will ring to the sounds of the haka accompanied by the beating of pots & pans. 🙂
      
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      January 8, 2019 2:54pm
      - Johnboy
        
        But…but…The Murri never invented pots and pans until the great prophets Tipene Tindall and Rodney Duke came among them old chap? 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2019 3:00pm
  - Komata
    
    nasska
    
    You left out an important bit:
    
    The SLG will be safely ensconsced in her remmers pad, completely ‘above’ the mere mortals upon-whom she has bestowed such ‘generosity’.
    
    Being totally untouched by and out of touch with, life in the ‘real’ world over which she precides, she will be NZ’s equivalent of Marie Antoinette; and we know how THAT ended…
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:55pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Brilliant! “The Four Pests” – Winston Peters, Jacinda Adern, Shane Jones and ~~Julie Anne Genter~~ enter ecofuck name here.
    
    How do we rid the country of these pestilential leeches?
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A little neck-wrapping of Christmas tinsel is all that is required.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12186807
    
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    January 8, 2019 3:19pm
Johnboy

Just asking Milkey…when does the public service go back to work? Is it the 14th or the 21st or, heaven forbid, the 28th? 🙂
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January 8, 2019 2:45pm
- Inandout
  
  Most lawyers are back today, though they once came back in late January. How times change when your fees aren’t guaranteed.
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:48pm
  - Johnboy
    
    So Judges will be on holiday till sometime later in Feb then? 🙂
    
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    January 8, 2019 2:50pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Some lawyers were back in their offices yesterday, judging by the emails I glanced at on my work account.
    This lawyer is not, however. the 21st is the day to return to the treadmill.
    
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    January 8, 2019 3:34pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Enjoy the remainder of the holidays Alex. Hope it’s not too hot for sailing and golf 😀
      
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      January 8, 2019 5:22pm
Colville

55 runs off the last 18 balls.

woop woop!
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January 8, 2019 2:47pm
secondcumming

Self-promoting ‘Social Media Star’ wants to *Petition Parliament* about photo shopped images ffs !!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1082346159400763394

Give me a break!! My missus has been photo shopping herself every morning for the last 25 years…..before returning to *full factory setting* just after 9pm most nights 🙁
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January 8, 2019 2:47pm
- Johnboy
  
  So has mine. 🙂
  https://www.google.com/search?q=sheep+with+makeup&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjssMyrid3fAhXYF4gKHWdaDl0QsAR6BAgBEAE&biw=1680&bih=886#imgrc=e1ludCxU-JLA6M:
  
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  January 8, 2019 2:53pm
- waikatogirl
  
  She sure is cute. Your perspective on life is so definite when you are young! No photoshopping required there. Let’s hope she continues to find there is no need for photoshopping herself in 20-30 years. ?
  
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  January 8, 2019 3:01pm
  - Aunty
    
    Gravity and the passage of years is a cruel thing.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:46pm
Colville

so in the middle of over 47 I hear a helicopter landing in front of the house…I live by the sea so that would be a bad thing for someone…I sprint out…. turns out the rich fuckers 2 houses over are using the chopper to lift in a new spa pool!

Its freaking huugggee!
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January 8, 2019 3:04pm
igm

Huckery Harridan, Toxic Gnome, and Sleeze-Galloway should be forced to read about these mongrels:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/01/deradicalisation-is-a-useless-scam/
They are beyond redemption and neither use nor ornament to any person or nation.
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January 8, 2019 3:51pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes, the best way to “combat terrorism” is to not allow any muslims into a western country.
  especially New Zealand.
  Secondly to close all mosques
  Thirdly to deport any muslims that still have muslim ways.
  Fourthly to deport all muslims.
  
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  January 8, 2019 4:23pm
Swifty

Pete George seems to believe that posters here using the report feature to send a message to fuckwittery and scumbaggery are censoring free speech(!)

He has also reported that DPF has been in communication with him about it.

Time for a straw poll then.

RED tick this if you think the KB report feature is being abused.

GREEN tick if you think that the report feature is working fine as it is.

Cheers,

Swifty
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January 8, 2019 3:59pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Swifty:
  
  He has also reported that DPF has been in communication with him about it.
  
  That means that Pete George emailed him. He comes across as a person who drives around the blogosphere all day looking for infractions of his good blog commenting guide!
  
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  January 8, 2019 4:44pm
  - Longknives
    
    Where would we be without Pete George to act as self-appointed Moral Guardian to us all?
    
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    January 8, 2019 4:57pm
    - Johnboy
      
      You’d have to rely on Milkey to do it!
      Be careful what you wish for! 🙂
      
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      January 8, 2019 4:59pm
  - Pete George
    
    Nostradamus comes across as a person who goes around making things up.
    
    He also comes across as someone who drives around Kiwiblog all day looking for threats to the abuse culture here.
    
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    January 8, 2019 6:06pm
    - Swifty
      
      You’re starting to be a dick now.
      
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      January 8, 2019 6:24pm
    - graham
      
      Oh dear … I suppose it was only a matter of time before “rape culture” became old hat.
      
      Now we have “abuse culture”. What’s next, I wonder?
      
      “Ban culture”?
      “Climate change denier culture”?
      “RWNJ culture”?
      “Trump-support culture”?
      
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      January 8, 2019 7:29pm
    - KevOB
      
      There are some that are easiest treated as background noise. Engagement with un-common sense encourages the noise and irritation. They get furloughed periodically.
      
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      January 8, 2019 7:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Now I have reported you for that. Nothing will happen but your comment was obviously made after imbibing, added nothing to the conversation and was merely a personal attack on another poster.
      
      Not needed, pointless and from my perspective, embarrassing yourself.
      
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      January 8, 2019 8:14pm
- Pete George
  
  Time for a straw poll then.
  
  RED tick this if you think the KB report feature is being abused.
  
  GREEN tick if you think that the report feature is working fine as it is.
  
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  January 8, 2019 6:09pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Why are you repeating Swifty’s poll? I have ticked the green uptick on your ‘copy poll’ just to reinforce my uptick on Swifty’s poll in support of the existing level of moderation. KB moderation works fine with anyone who takes advantage or makes derogatory remarks being down ticked with by the majority. It is called a democracy. We appreciate a good counter-argument, and a sense of humour is seriously appreciated no matter the posters opinion.
    
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    January 8, 2019 6:27pm
    - secondcumming
      
      Don’t fall into the trap waikatogirl!
      
      This whole thing has got Kitty Catlin’s grubby little paws all over it.
      
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      January 8, 2019 6:44pm
  - pentwig
    
    look after your own pathetic blog you wanker
    do not interfere with our gracious hosts blog
    some people are plain rude
    are you envious peter george?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:12pm
- alloytoo
  
  I do think it’s very easy to report someone by accident, perhaps the report link should be moved, or provided with a “Are you sure?”
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:17pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Grauniad: Ocean being warmed by the equivalent of 3-6 hiroshima bombs per second!!! Oh noes weez all gunna diieee.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/07/global-warming-of-oceans-equivalent-to-an-atomic-bomb-per-second

Or, to put it in more useful terms, for those of you who are not hyperventilating children: about 0.0015°C per year. Turns out the global ocean is really really really big.
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January 8, 2019 4:19pm
- Johnboy
  
  Jeeze image the global warming when that crazy chink nukes a couple of US supercarriers!
  Might get to say 0.015 C unless Trumpie gets bloody angry then it might really hot up a tad. 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2019 4:55pm
  - Yvette
    
    Johnboy, you may in fact not even notice …
    
     … the average heating across that 150-year period was equivalent to about 1.5 Hiroshima-size atomic bombs per second. But the heating has accelerated over that time as carbon emissions have risen, and was now the equivalent of between three and six atomic bombs per second. – https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/07/global-warming-of-oceans-equivalent-to-an-atomic-bomb-per-second
    
    So there being 86,400 seconds in a day multiplied by six atomic bombs per second, each current day sees the Earth – well, apparently the oceans – suffer a heat impact equivalent to 518,400 Hiroshima bombs. So that happened yesterday and no one has really noticed it too much different from the 518,400 that impacted the day before that, and the day before that.
    
    Amazing … No wonder so much the Greens try to tell us feels like your brain should explode.
    And then there is all the stuff that Golriz says …
    
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    January 8, 2019 5:03pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Good grief darling! I never even realised that. I always wondered what those damned Japs were moaning about when we were kind enough to only them two. 🙂
      
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      January 8, 2019 5:07pm
- Inandout
  
  Disregarding the Guardian rubbish, I wonder what the European temperature was like at the height of the Allied invasion of Europe?
  
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  January 8, 2019 6:21pm
KeaRea

Ill take a break on commenting for a while as stated.

But all the downtickers who think this is some larping lark.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-far-right-german-politician-13826732

A member of the German Bundestag, the Chairman of the largest right wing party, the Afd, was just the subject of an attempted assassination.

No doubt by citizens totally unconnected to anything in particular exercising peace by violence.

How long do you think this is going to last?

Does it look like he faked it?

Both sides are being played of course, one against the other with the intention of conflagration requiring imposition of one world government. But this is too much, too fast.

Okay? So everybody hates me. But the Chairman of the AfD just barely survived an assassination attempt, and the Republican party just put forward a bill designed to destroy it’s executive and make every American an economic indentured servant of Israel.

Do you still believe, that we are in the balmy 90s on the standard political timeline?

So again, if you downticked me I suggest you call your aquaintances in Israel and tell them that they should deescalate.

Guess how many Americans have handed in their bump stocks? It essentially rhymes with hero.

I don’t want it to hit the fan. I actually just want to carry on minding my business. What do you want?

Defend free speech. Because it’s getting dangerous real quick.
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January 8, 2019 4:59pm
- KevOB
  
  Truth is being inverted. Are these the times the Bible speaks of? It sure is weird.
  
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  January 8, 2019 7:31pm
Tall Man

The world has officially gone mad.

Fancy someone having their own opinion. That is not allowed nor is it allowed for the person to express said opinion.

I say “good on you Simon”. Thanks for having an opinion that is your own and please don’t be bullied into apologising for having that opinion.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/109793397/simon-doull-dismisses-climate-change-as-rubbish-in-odi-cricket-commentary
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January 8, 2019 5:05pm
- Johnboy
  
  Jeeze that was a bit dodgy TM. We all thought at first, that unlike the MSM, you were saying Simon Bridges was allowed an opinion! 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2019 5:20pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I like to sail close to the wind…
    
    I like Simon Bridges as well and he may well be our next PM, maybe sooner than later.
    
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    January 8, 2019 5:55pm
    - MickMac
      
      hope so.
      as long as he doesnt kick the can down the road..
      
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      January 8, 2019 11:10pm
- KevOB
  
  Good, a bloke with an honest opinion.
  (Within 10 years it is not unlikely people will be grumbling about the cold affecting them. )
  
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  January 8, 2019 7:25pm
- GazzaW
  
  The Herald has taken up the call for Doull’s head on a platter for expressing an opinion.
  
  Just goes to show how much editorial freedom is extended to their own journalists.
  
  It’s called censorship in countries that enjoy a free press.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:24pm
Happychappy

Are we about to see the green fraction go after Simon Douls job after his statement on Climate change today at the Cricket in Nelson at Saxton Oval. Surely a person is allowed a opinion on climate change even if it is not others view and just because the Show Pony says it is doesn’ me an it 100% true.
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January 8, 2019 5:20pm
- Longknives
  
  Stuff closed comments real fucking quick again! Most people were saying ‘Good on ya Simon’…
  
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  January 8, 2019 5:28pm
  - Inandout
    
    Stuff will not entertain any other opinion on climate crap, they have said so themselves.
    
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    January 8, 2019 6:17pm
    - KevOB
      
      Australian owners trying to make a buck.
      
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      January 8, 2019 7:27pm
    - The Heat
      
      Then the media wonder why their revenues are in free fall. Most of them have long since sold out the only thing they have of value: the trust relationship between reader and writer.
      
      When anyone can publish their thoughts and reach everyone else, the value proposition lays in trust.
      
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      January 9, 2019 7:27am
KeaRea

Yeah. I’ve been very restrained.

But with the attempted assassination of the AfD Chairman it seems my fluency with the ideas and occurences of a bygone age hold me in good stead.

Downtick away.

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.premium-thank-you-to-martin-schulz-1.5322471

“For me, the new Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the State of Israel and the Jewish people.” Martin Schultz, President European Parliament.

Say a big thankyou to Martin Schultz says Haaretz. He’s all over water access in the Gaza strip. Oh, and by the by, he also said that. He’s a wonderful product of our finest schools.

Well Im sure that feels real good in Chemnitz. If I know he said it and others said alike in NZ, I wonder if Magnitz’s immediate family and support know it? I wonder if the AfDs supporters in the German military know it?

I know I articulately foreswore swearing today.

But you all really must eat shit, you who downticked me. Eat it with zest.

Because I understand this world better then you. I just hope that it stops. But it won’t. The European peoples are the Jews now. And its a matter of time before they start just quietly asserting a right to exist as well. If it doesn’t stop, this insane confirmation of every garish stereotype I still can’t believe seems to hold true in every given instance.

Okay, enjoy analysing this fuckwits. It’s all just economics and the environment and totally random. Im sure all this unpleasantness will just go away.
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January 8, 2019 5:35pm
- KeaRea
  
  Be ye therefore perfect as your Father who art in Heaven is perfect. (Matt 5:48)
  
  “It is absurd to say our country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the people.”
  Thomas Edison
  
  “The true Jewish spirit holds that truth and morality are absolute and cannot be trimmed to fit one’s perceived self interest” G.J. Nueberger in his essay “The Great Gulf Between Zionism and Judaism”
  
  It’s not a monolith. It’s Masonic leaders within Talmudim using their people as a shield. Read Anthony Sutton.
  
  But if that Bill passes, no one is going to be making distinctions. Downvoting people who are trying to help isn’t good.
  
  “In order to effect the destruction of all collective forces except ours we shall emasculate the first stage of collectivism, the universities, by re-educating them in a new direction.”
  
  “We shall erase from the memory of men all facts of previous centuries which are undesirable to us…”
  
  We shall turn them into “unthinking submissive brutes waiting for things to be presented before their eyes in order to form an idea of them…”
  
  That’s the leadership. And nope, wasn’t faked.
  
  Wait, yes. Yes. Still. The leader of the right German party is still in hospital after an attempted assassination. Not good, is it. Must be those environment taxes and the 41 hour working week.
  
  Anyway point made I know Im getting unpleasant. I hope Magnitz doesn’t die or suffer brain damage and Trump vetoes the Bill and we get some more peace.
  
  Gone, definitively, at least a week.
  
  God isn’t dead.
  
  Apologies for the excessive verbiage and mordant themes.
  
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  January 8, 2019 6:16pm
Pete George

Time for a straw poll then.

RED tick this if you think the KB report feature is being abused.

GREEN tick if you think that the report feature is working fine as it is.
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January 8, 2019 6:10pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Pete, you are becoming a fucking troll again. Take a holiday. Fuck off. Stop trying to get other nut jobs to follow your pathetic blog.
  Fuck me, what a pain in the arse he has been in the last 3 weeks
  
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  January 8, 2019 6:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

There are 3 straw polls running on this site now.

It is DPF’s blog.
Why the hell should I tell him how to run it?
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January 8, 2019 6:25pm
- Pete George
  
  I was testing something out. Of course a poll on how to run the site is meaningless – as is a poll on a blog.
  
  I actually thought I deleted the other one but it obviously hasn’t worked.
  
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  January 8, 2019 6:32pm
  - holysheet
    
    Why not test it on your own crappy blog then?
    
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    January 8, 2019 6:34pm
    - secondcumming
      
      What fucking use would that be?
      There’s only 5 people who actually comment there.
      Anyone who doesn’t toe the *YawnNZ party line* gets shown the arse-card immediately.
      
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      January 8, 2019 6:49pm
  - pentwig
    
    geez
    and i thought stoopidthing and milky were raving lunatics
    sigh
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:20pm
- holysheet
  
  You will notice it’s those who post the most crap on KB are doing the most moaning about any perceived abuse of the report button.
  It’s DPF’s blog. Get over yourselves moaners. If you don’t like being reported, don’t post so much crap.
  
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  January 8, 2019 6:33pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Shush Maggy, man at work trying to make a point! ?
  
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  January 8, 2019 6:37pm
Steve (North Shore)

Message to Taxcinda, the COL, the Greens, and all of the fucking nut jobs that voted them in (includes the worst nut jobs NZF)
Open up the coal mines and oil mining, and fracking and whatever. We (not me) are going to freeze soon.
But then the left and facts are a universe apart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phaBUQ3NU1w&fbclid=IwAR2cRe6pmF4DlEK5eKjSTuy9bfok–52AD-248FaqlsFGcxMhXhed9ESteU
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January 8, 2019 6:32pm
big bruv

How has this happened? I thought horse face had ended poverdee.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109730036/mother-raising-four-children-in-tents-after-being-unable-to-find-home
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January 8, 2019 6:38pm
- nasska
  
  The poverdee isn’t amazing…..it’s the fact that Stuff reported on it.
  
  Fraser House must have been late in paying the Xmas koha this year. 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2019 7:10pm
- KevOB
  
  This is not poverty but the normal temporary difficulty of being between accommodation. The Stuff article may be part of the family plan to help find something suitable. I wish them well.
  
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  January 8, 2019 7:16pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”The Stuff article may be part of the family plan to help find something suitable”…..
    
    Absolute shit. Stuff never report anything normally unless they can put the boot into National, Bridges or Trump.
    
    Preferably all three in one article.
    
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    January 8, 2019 7:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “May be”, but it isn’t.
    
    It is part of the usual though, only half the story and only the side that paints the picture that suits the narrative they are pushing…horrid landlords..lovely tenants.
    
    As a landlord in the past in a difficult area, a WINZ tenant with references was good to go so maybe there is more to the tale…..
    
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    January 8, 2019 7:57pm
mikenmildagain

Is Jack5 on holiday in Kāpiti?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/109792715/kpitis-welcome-signs-defaced-in-apparent-act-of-defiance-against-mori-language
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January 8, 2019 8:40pm
- nasska
  
  From Mike’s link:
  
  …..”There was a lot of support from the district’s residents for the correctly spelled name, she said.”….
  
  Prove it! Bullshitting arseholes.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    $7,000 and $10,000 for the signs. Get me on that contract please.
    
    Other people’s money…easy eh?
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:12pm
  - dirty harry
    
    Shitbag has mouth farted again and run away..how unusual. Stay classy mikemild.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:53pm
- calendar girl
  
  That’s a pretty nasty implied allegation against Jack5, mikenmildagain.
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Snotty little public servant I think.
    
    He’s obviously not a happy man with his continual childish spite.
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:14pm
cha

I wonder if Newt visited the prick in Chicago.

NEW YORK — The Catholic organization Opus Dei paid $977,000 in 2005 to settle a sexual misconduct complaint against a once prominent Washington, D.C.-area priest.

In a statement Monday, Opus Dei Vicar Monsignor Thomas Bohlin said they received a complaint of sexual misconduct against Rev. C. John McCloskey in 2002 from a woman who was receiving counselling at the Catholic Information Center in downtown D.C.

https://www.570news.com/2019/01/07/opus-dei-details-2005-sex-claim-settlement-against-dc-priest/
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January 8, 2019 8:46pm
nasska

If you’re a journalist working for any of the main NZ newspapers then remember…….make it quick, make it short, make it good & make it count.

And if that doesn’t work, make it up.
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January 8, 2019 8:47pm
Nostradamus

Is it safe to come out? Or is Pete “Beige Badger” George still on blog patrol?
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January 8, 2019 8:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s safe.. but don’t go over to his blog.
  You’re not popular there and Awww-C’mon and Chuck are having another wee spat over there.
  
  Why can’t we all just love each other?
  
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  January 8, 2019 8:54pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
    If I found out I was popular at YawnNZ, I’d have to reassess things, as I’d clearly have done something wrong!
    
    Oh:
    
    Nostradamus has keeps trying to defend the abusive culture at Kiwiblog. He suggested I was trying be some sort of sheriff – worried about a threat to his domain perhaps.
    
    How pathetic!
    
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    January 8, 2019 8:58pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  He’s flounced off.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:43pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Did I miss the Pete George’s appointment as monitor?
  I know it is the holidays and all that, but one would have thought that such an appointment would have been bruited around by our host?
  And didn’t the phoenix do well? Great result.
  
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  January 8, 2019 11:55pm
nasska

…..”Why can’t we all just love each other?”…..

At my age I find a good blog scrap less tiring! 🙂
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January 8, 2019 8:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I must stop speed reading..
  at first glance I thought you wrote something more fundamental.
  
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  January 8, 2019 9:06pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    We’re blessed with Nasska and his profound insights on life – all written from a unique ex-Eketahuna perspective!
    
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    January 8, 2019 9:08pm
    - stigie
      
      Farming instinct has helped with his profound insights on life in more ways then you could imagine Noatra..?
      
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      January 8, 2019 9:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        We’re a bunch of liquorice allsorts at Kiwiblog, but some are more allsorts than liquorice 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2019 9:58pm
Lee C

Renters will be hit hard this year: so glad we sold our rental when we did:
“Existing residential property investors are now trapped. If they decide to sell their property because their rental losses are no longer available to them, they could suffer the tax consequences of the bright-line test which taxes gains on residential property sold within two years of purchase (or five years if the residential land was bought on or after March 29, 2018).”
https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/35824?ref=nzhhome
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