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secondcumming

Kerry Woodham – ZB Mournings
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January 21, 2019 8:01am
- igm
  
  It is a real sickly female whinge fest already.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:03am
  - Paulus
    
    Wait for the Election build up by these so called women.
    We have close to two years of it ready ordained by the media.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:10am
    - fernglas
      
      Not if her bach, Kiwisaver and rental property are going to be subject to a CGT. The middle class urban female vote is in for a real shake up.
      
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      January 21, 2019 8:49am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        But will they get it? I know some women, intelligent enough at their jobs etc, but completely blind when it comes to the Melons and Taxinda. Will they even bother to weigh up their own financial needs for retirement against the vague concepts of ‘greeeeen’ and Taxinda’s twinkle?
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:11pm
  - RF
    
    Cindy and Jethro’s new best friend.
    
    Nauseating. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:30am
- Positan
  
  Despite remembering how unlistenable was her last “talkback” stint, out of respect for all of Leighton’s wonderful years of constant rationale – I tried to give her a go, thinking she’d realise the sort of shoes she had to fill and the effort necessary to sustain the program.
  
  Well, after 4 days of acute discomfort – I’ve tossed her for good.
  
  What on earth could have possessed ZB’s leaders? McIvor was an appalling choice to replace Leighton. Now, after Hosking, the station’s “listenability-factor” renders absolutely nothing.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:57am
  - igm
    
    They are bloody lucky to have Larry Williams later in the day. Bet this sickly bint will cost APN megabucks.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:01am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Aaaah, the Lackwit. What a joke he is. A foul, vicious, unfunny joke.
      
      https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/larry-williams-attack-on-dunne-powell.html
      
      https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/larry-williams-paraguay-will-throw-nz.html
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:51am
    - DigNap15
      
      No, we are lucky to have Larry Williams.
      They need to be told to get a decent replacement to Leighton.
      One who is not all fairy dust and nice chatty.
      Kerre is quite well educated and I do like her.
      But she is more suited to a late night slot or a slot on another channel.
      
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      January 21, 2019 12:50pm
  - Janabelle
    
    Have tuned in to Peter Williams on Magic Talk – a very good start, much better than Kerre McIvor
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:34am
    - secondcumming
      
      The missus was saying she tuned into 702 as well and he’s been putting the boot into Twyford, JAG, and the Unions…… a promising start indeed!
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:36am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Here’s the list of Magic frequencies, and the links to live streams of both the music and talk options. Sean Plunket is on right now, so he won’t mince his words!
        
        https://www.magic.co.nz/home/frequencies/talk.html
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:20pm
  - Morrissey
    
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    Leighton’s wonderful years of constant rationale….
    
    ????!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:45am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Seems like the world thinks the opposite to you, mad Morris
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:53am
  - Paulus
    
    She got the job because she is left wing biased.
    And a women, I think !
    
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    January 21, 2019 1:32pm
- pdm
  
  Refuse to listen – does anyone know what frequency Peter Williams is on in Hawkes Bay?
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:29am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    See above pdm
    
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    January 21, 2019 12:25pm
    - pdm
      
      Thank you Inv.
      
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      January 21, 2019 12:34pm
Pateke

AAAAARG! Moaning Report is back on Red Radio.
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January 21, 2019 8:04am
- lifesgood
  
  Yep, flicked the radio off at precisely 6am.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:23am
  - RF
    
    Thank god Mike Hosking has returned sanity back to our airwaves.
    
    Watch out Ardern, Twyford & Jones….. he is on your case….
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:34am
- srylands
  
  Turn it off.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:26am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Most people do. Hosking is only there precisely because he is no good. Anyone who makes the powerful and the corrupt (i.e. politicians and businessmen) uncomfortable will not last long, as we saw with John Campbell being “eased out” of TV3.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:48am
    - lilman
      
      John Campbell ,lol,,,,,,,that used tampon.
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:03am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Ha! National Party supporter. Typically witty response by one of you hapless fellows.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:11am
      - artemisia
        
        VG. Coffee onto keyboard!! Damn.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:14am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Morrisey I’m surprised to see you defend Campbell, he is gutless and servile . His interview with Len Brown was pathetic but his one with Turei where they skirted around her continual lying and benefit fraud was NZ journalism at its nadir.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:32am
      - Morrissey
        
        I agree with you Harv. He has disappointed and angered me many, many times.
        
        He’s an uncritical transmitter of everything that comes out of the damned and desperate Clinton wing of the doomed Democratic Party, and along with Bernard Hickey and the hapless Jesse Mulligan he’s one of the most dedicated megaphones for the “Russian masterminds” nonsense that infects RNZ National.
        
        I’ll never forgive him for his regular appearances on Martin Devlin’s Radio Sport breakfast show. As you’d expect, he knows as much about sports as he does about geopolitics….
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/in-honor-of-stolen-game-vacuous-tribute.html
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:57am
      - igm
        
        Campbell, yet another gutless whining POS like Breen.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:59am
    - Positan
      
      Careful, Morrissey … the carpark-puddle depth of your leftist discernment is “in fragrante delicto.”
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:45am
      - Morrissey
        
        No, nipasot, THIS is in flagrante delicto….
        
        http://i.imgur.com/wT4XtDj.gif
        
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        January 21, 2019 11:05am
Viking2

Look on the bright side.
find a music channel or spotify.

No one forces you to support the communists.
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January 21, 2019 8:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Are you amazed at the people who complain about radio, TV and newspapers that they alleged never hear, see or read?
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:26am
  - srylands
    
    I don’t even know what that means.
    
    If I’m driving in the car and want to quickly get some news, the easiest way is to switch on the radio. Yes I know there are other ways. But they require planning before I get in the car.
    
    So I have a choice between RNZ with awful announcers and bias, OR awful advertisements. So I try both, then switch off for another week.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:34am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Concert program is the answer, unless they are on one of their dire NZ Composers playing moods.
      
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      January 21, 2019 8:50am
      - Morrissey
        
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        What the fuck would you know about New Zealand music? I’ll bet it’s about as much as you know about the Occupation of the West Bank and the Golan Heights: nothing.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:00am
      - dirty harry
        
        Fuck you’re putrid Morrissey. A big steaming pile of dog turd. Why dont dry up and blow away, fool.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:12am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Tell ya who’s putrid, harry: Clint Eastwood. What an old fool. Why the hell have you identified with someone so discredited and sad?
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:14am
      - Lance
        
        Morrisey needs help, seriously.
        He is way beyond bitter and twisted
        
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        January 21, 2019 11:06am
      - srylands
        
        Says the communist who has never been to Israel or the West Bank.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:59pm
    - stephieboy
      
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      srylands, stick with Infowars, Breitbart, Gateway, Fox, WND etc, etc.
      
      Land of plenty out there to satisfy and fill your vacuous bubblehead.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:08am
      - Rev Marc Pastoral care for St Albans project Ralph
        
        Sorry KB regulars, stephie had a particularly bad night (he was rejected by his goat) and the nurse hasn’t arrived to medicate him as expected. It does explain his lateness today though.
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope, amazed at the idiocy that emantes from you at times though.
    
    What on earth was the point of your comment? If you think you’re a witty fellow you need to think again. The down votes refect your skill…Zero
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:27am
secondcumming

And great to see *Cam* back among the land of the living……. asking the tough questions 😎

https://twitter.com/Whaleoil/status/1086721740309356544
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January 21, 2019 8:06am
- geoff3012
  
  Looks like he has had a stroke……
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:15am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Yup.
    Not fun.
    He will be out of action for some time.
    The reporter who tried to access his records should be named for public safety.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:50am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      This sums things up:
      
      So what does all this mean? It means that Cam now has to take all measures to save his life and to save his quality of his life by preventing recurrent strokes. To this end, he must remove himself from all stressors. Any court cases that Cam is engaged in will be conducted by his lawyer(s) and those with Power(s) of Attorney with Cam’s involvement being at arm’s length only. Any in-person Court appearances will be closely medically monitored. We will not allow the stress of Court proceedings to kill him.
      
      Cam is similarly unable to return work and unable to involve himself in other projects that he previously enjoyed. Thanks to the loyal, hardworking and capable team that he has, Cam’s business operations will continue at full tilt, but without his involvement.
      
      https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/01/young-strokes-what-we-know-for-sure/
      
      Cameron Slater is a polarising figure. But I wouldn’t wish this kind of illness on anyone, wherever on the political spectrum they sit.
      
      Get well soon Cam. As one who has had to jump of the treadmill for an extended period due to depression and anxiety, I have found that my health is of far more importance than anything else, and that’s where my primary focus has been. I hope he has good people around him, who care about his welfare, as I was fortunate enough to have.
      
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      January 21, 2019 12:34pm
      - rockape
        
        The lawyers wont be representing him when he runs out of money that’s for sure!
        
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        January 21, 2019 2:56pm
    - howitis
      
      How do you know that accusation is even true?
      Whaleoil has a history of misleading stories and
      outright lies.
      
      Carrick Graham, the son of convicted former MP, Doug Graham, used the Wail Oil site to do a hit against the headmaster of Kristin School in Albany.
      Carrick Graham’s bunny boiler client, Jeanne Denham (and other surnames, how convenient), the lying lawyer, tried hard to destroy her ex-husband when she could not get a decent crack at his assets after a short marriage.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95583944/lawyer-found-guilty-of-misconduct-for-trying-to-destroy-exhusbands-career
      
      This was thrown out of court and Denham ordered to pay $146,000 but she declared bankruptcy.
      She was also suspended from practicing law for a defined period.
      I wonder if Carrick Graham and sleazy Slater got paid?
      One would hope not!
      
      Here is an example of the lying Slug and it is interesting to see his commenters call him out for the lies- which is what they are.
      Slater tried to destroy a guy’s career for a bit of coin- i.e. blood money!
      https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/05/bet-he-was-registered-now-hes-running-away/
      Slater wallows in Nasty.
      
      Much of the Wail oil is commenting on articles in Stuff and the Herald.
      There is no origination.
      I pity the fools that send money the way of this shyster family.
      If the wife (Atkins) was such a brilliant teacher, as she tells people, why wasn’t she working as a specialist to pay the family bills.
      I mean she is a feminist and all!
      
      She stood by him after his shagging outside the tent episode circa 2010 and I think the Herald was the only one to report it so Slater got a hard-on for the Herald.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10813552
      
      Slater and his comrades worked hard on a broken Jami Lee Ross as a weapon to attack Simon Bridges. I have stated here that I am no fan of Bridges as National leader but not does not help the cause to attack using the filthy methods Slater and his stable of misfits used.
      Slater grew up in privilege with his Daddy-o high up in National party ranks and sometime chairman.
      Jami lee Ross had a difficult start to life. He went to Dilworth.
      Slater and his manipulative pricks used a broken Ross as a tool.
      Ross contributed to it but to what degree was it cynical manipulation by the Slater sluts?
      Slater will tell lies about his involvement, of course.
      
      Those who bother to recall Slater will remember him for his pimping of Winston Peters to form the COL and challenge the country socially and economically.
      If anyone listened to the silly coot – Slater that is, not Winston.
      Slater is Fiji born so no defined loyalty to NZ; which may be why he was keen to get such a scabby Govt elected to ru(i)n NZ !
      Perhaps his buddy, Frank Bainimarama, told him to do it to stick it to the Nats.
      Frank B was no friend of the Nats and Slater acted in that same direction.
      
      Slater’s legacy:
      An online meat company; played by Ben Rachinger; a defeat in the boxing ring; a collection of weird toxic buddies; financial failures; massive current legal debts; and a thorn in Judith Collins’ side.
      
      Slater’s claim has been: My role is smashing your face into the ground like a Fijian rugby player.
      Not very sporting and not really a seeker of truth; more a political thug for hire.
      In a nutshell, Cameron Slater has been a muck-raker and, at peak, over five years ago ran a scandal sheet.
      Oh well, never complain, never explain.
      
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      January 21, 2019 2:47pm
  - dime
    
    he did? poor bastard 🙁
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:48am
  - dirty harry
    
    He’s always looked like he had a stroke.
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:13am
- Justitia
  
  Cam Slater is a casualty in the battle to save free speech in this country, and it’s only going to get worse.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:53am
  - brett68
    
    Cam Slater is a casualty of Cam Slater.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:56am
    - dirty harry
      
      100 %. No sympathy card from me.
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:14am
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, brett68…
      
      I went into WhaleOil to see what had been written.
      
      705 words of article…
      
      I can summarise it as follows:
      
      * Attempts at portraying Cam as the victim – Heaps
      * Acknowledgements that in key aspects the Courts had ruled against said ‘victim’ – Zero
      * Plea for financial assistance – Of COURSE!
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:32am
      - artemisia
        
        I’m reporting you to Jacinda. Even she would be kind in the circs.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:17pm
- igm
  
  second: Who are the filth downticking this comment?
  Possibly Breen and his ilk.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:56am
  - Morrissey
    
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    No, mig, it was not moi.
    
    Could have been someone of my ilk, though, as you say.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:43am
    - Tall Man
      
      Filth you mean?
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:28am
      - Morrissey
        
        Ouch.
        
        https://i.imgur.com/cg7Pbe8.gif
        
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        January 21, 2019 11:07am
- auckwood
  
  Good read that, especially in the comments!
  
  http://disq.us/p/1z0ofgf
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:49am
  - Morrissey
    
    Yes, a good read, except for the bit where he calls FailAll a “journalist.”
    
    That’s nonsense, of course.
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:20am
- Viking2
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12193706
  
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  January 21, 2019 12:37pm
Longknives

The Media have been just gushing over the vile Serena Williams at the Australian Open.
‘GOAT’
‘What a Role model’ etc etc

What short memories they have- Seemingly forgetting about her disgraceful meltdown at the US Open, her history of threatening umpires and that awkward moment when the Drug Testers came calling and she locked herself in her panic room..
There is no fucking way she is the ‘Greatest of all time’.
There absolutely no fucking way she is a ‘Role Model’.
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January 21, 2019 8:07am
- igm
  
  Colour!
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Academically, in 2003 the US Census said there were many more Latinos in the US than Blacks.
    But the 14% Blacks as they are officially defined similarly a % to Maori carry much more weight than their ratio suggests.
    
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    January 21, 2019 1:37pm
- GazzaW
  
  …….and the NZ media has short memories of Serena’s “now you see her, now you don’t” performance in Auckland last year.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:11am
  - Longknives
    
    Yep.
    I know some guys involved with that Tournament.
    They do not have many kind words to say about her..
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:29am
- Biscuit
  
  You’re as cynical as I am, Longknives.
  
  Serena: Ooh, I was a bit bitchy at the US Open.
  World: Yes.
  Serena: How to redeem myself? I know, I’ll play ‘nice’ at my next Grand Slam…
  World: ‘What a role model!’
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:13am
  - Longknives
    
    And how come back in the day the World used to mock all those Russian/Eastern European ‘female’ athletes with huge muscular frames and chiselled, masculine jawlines?
    Yet a certain tennis player gets a free pass??..
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:32am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  If Tyson and Oprah had a daughter.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:50am
- JIV
  
  American athletes can hardly be trusted when it comes to drugs. Remember Flo-Jo, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Carl Lewis, Justin Gatlin and of course the king of them all Lance Armstrong
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:04am
  - SGA
    
    American athletes can hardly be trusted when it comes to drugs.
    
    Well… there’s a question mark over lots of extraordinary performers and performances. The whole Russian Olympic team was undera cloud last Olympics, as I recall.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:13am
    - Biscuit
      
      SGA, these are the current Women’s Track World Records for distances up to 10,000 Metres:
      
      Event Record Athlete Date
      100 m 10.49 Florence Griffith Joyner (USA)
      16/07/88
      200m 21.34 Florence Griffith Joyner (USA)
      29/09/88
      400 m 47.60 Marita Koch (East Germany)
      06/10/85
      800m 1:53.28 Jarmila Kratochvílová (Czechoslovakia) 26/07/83
      1000m 2:28.98 Svetlana Masterkova (Russia)
      23/08/96
      1500m 3:50.46 Qu Yunxia (PR China)
      11/09/93
      Mile 4:12.56 Svetlana Masterkova (Russia) 14/08/96
      2000m 5:25.36 Sonia O’Sullivan (Ireland)
      08/07/94
      3000m 8:06.11 Wang Junxia (PR China) 13/09/93
      5000m 14:11.15 Tirunesh Dibaba (Ethiopia) 06/06/08
      10000m 29:31.78 Wang Junxia (PR China) 08/09/93
      
      Notice anything?
      
      Yep, with the single exception of the 5,000 Metres, nary a one of them was set this Millennium.
      
      Hell, the three shortest distances all have records set 30+ years ago.
      
      Go to Rio 2016 and look at the winning times there:
      10.71
      21.78
      49.44
      
      None of those gold medallists would have got into the photo finish against Flo-Jo (twice) and Koch.
      
      Any else detecting the faint odour of a deceased rodent or two?
      
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      January 21, 2019 11:07am
      - SGA
        
        Yeah, I was aware of the bizarre state of Women’s Track and Field.
        
        The field events are similar to the running.
        
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        January 21, 2019 11:20am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Interesting too, the gap to the Male records. And just for a comparison, teenage European standout Jakob Igebrigtsen of Norway has run 3:30 for the 1500, 3:52 for the mile, and 13:17 for the 5000 metres – and he was only 17 when running those times.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:10pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Yep, SGA and Ed.
        
        On my bucket list for one New Zealand winter is to jet off to the big high European summer Diamond League Track and Field meets.
        
        Won’t be in 2019, o darn, but (ignoring the meets in Qatar, Shanghai, Rabat and Eugene, Oregon) I could quite happily fit a touring sked around:
        
        2-Jun Bauhaus-Galan, Stockholm
        6-Jun Golden Gala – Pietro Mennea, Rome
        13-Jun Bislett Games, Oslo
        5-Jul Athletissima Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne
        12-Jul Herculis, Monaco
        20-21 July Anniversary Games, London
        18-Aug Grand Prix, Birmingham
        24-Aug Meeting de Paris, Paris
        29-Aug Weltklasse Zürich, Zürich
        6-Sep AG Memorial Van Damme, Brussels
        
        That final meeting, mind, I might sit out, too.
        
        The last time I was at King Baudouin Stadium in Brussels it was known as the Heysel Stadium … and, yep, that was the night when idiotic Liverpool fans behind one goal rioted and caused the deaths of 39 Juventus fans.
        
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        January 21, 2019 2:42pm
  - Longknives
    
    Let’s not forget Anna Bolic who had an awkward wardrobe malfunction during her bodybuilding routine….
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:53am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  She likes to chew the ears off umpires.
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:55am
- Morrissey
  
  Well said, Herr Messer!
  
  https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/serena-williams-was-booed-at-roland.html
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:08am
G152

I see where the nutters want an end to horse racing.
Are they aware that if that were to happen thousands of horses would be put down as they would cost for vets and farriers and feed without making a cent for owners and stables…
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January 21, 2019 8:08am
- Biscuit
  
  G152, the nutters will never end horse racing.
  
  Well, not while Winston ‘My mates breed pretty horses’ is controlling the Coalition of Losers…
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:15am
  - Longknives
    
    NZ First are goneburger next Election.
    And if Labour/Greens are ever in power without them the NZ Racing industry will go the same way as Oil and Gas..
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:45am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      The future for racing is not bright.
      I noticed in the Sunday Herald that the protest by seven people against horse racing got more column centimetres than did comment on the result of the prestigious Wellington Cup, which has a history more than twice as long as New Zealand’s oldest Sunday newspaper.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:04am
hullkiwi

Joke of the weekend heard on RNZ news yesterday.

The SLG is off to Europe today. Her itinerary includes attending the World Economic Forum at Davos. During which she will participate in a Stage Panel Discussion on Climate Change and the Environment with Al Gore & Sir David Attenborough.

On hearing this yesterday, I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry!
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January 21, 2019 8:08am
- GazzaW
  
  ……..and what size carbon footprint is she leaving? Is she taking Air Force One along with the Royal Family or will she be slumming it in a First Class Suite on Singapore Airlines or Emirates?
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:15am
  - Chris R
    
    Who cares provided it is a one -way ticket?
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:20am
    - igm
      
      Bet Gnashers is spending time with Sadiq Khan . . . he would be her idol.
      
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      January 21, 2019 8:41am
  - MH
    
    well the Palace’s landrover is out of action
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:39am
    - waikatogirl
      
      One of the women in the car who received a broken arm after being hit by Prince Phillip’s Range Rover has complained he has not even said sorry and she would expect more from the Royal family. She disputes that Prince Phillip was blinded by the low winter sun, stating there was no sun as it was overcast at the time. The Prince has since had a new replacement Range Rover delivered and has been seen driving again since his accident.
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:02am
      - Tall Man
        
        Good for him.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:35am
      - fernglas
        
        I was wondering whether he would be prosecuted for careless driving causing injury, but then I realised it would be his missus who would be the prosecutor, so I guess he’s safe.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:45pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Big Al Gore seems like the sort who likes the sound of his own voice. Will he let the little girl from New Zealand voice an opinion?
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Do you really think that anybody will stop her opening her big gob ?
    
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    January 21, 2019 1:40pm
- oldpark
  
  hullkiwi@8.08am.
  More like cry. Notice when Commie Chic Comrade Ardern and Peters were big noting at the UN,and enjoying the toucy touchy feels from UN Mafia.
  In the time she was saying here is me and who is like me,guess what. While her puppet master Peters was signing the 24 Islamic Federations UN Migration Compact committing NZ to all sorts of any type of Migration as seen fit by the UN. The Australians refused to sign the ambush document. They found a better use of their time was to sign up a free trade agreement with the Brits if required.
  NZ was asleep at the wheel. In fact a bloody indictment of a Peters selected Government out of the depth. Completely lacking experience. SLG Peters PM not mine was missing in action from mid December till now.
  Seems she is off to Europe selling our democracy and via UK were she will call on Teresa May to show her how it is done. Making and selling fish and chips. Other than that what the fugh can she offer. Maybe a grand plan to shut down all oil and gas exploration in the UK and Europe. What a bloody indictment of a small town twerp completely out of control. Yet loved by our Sicko biased fake news Mainstream Media.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:44am
- Komata
  
  hk
  
  The conclusions are foregone, the NZ media breathless (indeed, already slobbering)with excitement, the rest of the world?
  
  ‘Yawn, who??’
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:08am
- Surely Knott
  
  Is the taxpayer going to be hiring another ad agency and photographer this time for the pics. She’s got the New York ones, but some European ones in Switzerland, little goats, mountains, clean rivers, would be totally #instaworthy.
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:56am
  - Lizziep
    
    Don’t forget Heidi and Peter.
    
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    January 21, 2019 12:59pm
  - Paulus
    
    No – bubba and her perceived sperm partner are not on this trip – it might take the gloss away from her.
    Heather will see to it anyway.
    
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    January 21, 2019 1:42pm
hullkiwi

Ready for the onslaught KBers? Hugh is all over the radio about housing unaffordability. He must be ready to slot his wrists given how useless Twitford & the CoL have been.
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January 21, 2019 8:12am
- Biscuit
  
  hullkiwi, I rarely listen to Radio.
  
  Jumped-up opinionated hosts…
  Even worse callers-in…
  And now you say HUGH ‘indulges’…?
  
  Yikes!
  
  Off-switch City!
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:17am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Try Heads fm out of Mangawhai – no dj’s very few ads and a wide range of pretty decent music. easy to get online.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:28am
    - fernglas
      
      With you, TN. It’s a great station. Worthy of support, except it used to have “Chickenman” on when I was listening.
      
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      January 21, 2019 8:53am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Believe it or not Chickenman is still being recycled ad nauseum every day at 4pm!
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:08am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No, he has written a report that the media have picked up. It came to the startling conclusions that housing affordability has got worse since 2004 and a big cause for it is the RMA and that the government’s programme is not helping solve any problems.
    
    I’m trying desperately not to swear, but is Hugh for real? He has written a report stating the blindingly obvious and recognised that Twitford & co are not helping.
    
    Just shows you how lame NZ is, when somebody gets publicity for stating the problem rather than offering workable solutions.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:37am
    - sooty
      
      But look at the thousands he’s put here and never been picked up!
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:04am
      - howitis
        
        They are mainly links to other peoples work.
        Hugo Pavletich is a plagiarist.
        He has little original thought and hides behind others graphs and analysis.
        
        Hugo Pavletich is a link whore.
        He probably hangs out in Manchester St, ChCh, offering free ‘links’!
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:37am
      - dirty harry
        
        ???
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:18am
    - Happychappy
      
      Housing affordability got worse after the share market crash in the late 1980’s and the people that lost their life savings were committing suicide as they could not leave any inheritance to their children. Since then successive Governments have done nothing to remedy the problem.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:10am
    - The 15th annual Demographia international housing affordability survey.
      
      See the RNZ report where Hugh mentions what can be done.
      
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      January 21, 2019 1:00pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Yeah, right.
        Hugh is quoted as follows:
        
        “Mr Pavletich said housing unaffordability was ‘solvable’ “.
        
        “They just [need to] allow affordable housing to be built. In other words, getting out of the road more than anything on this land supply issue and bringing in proper debt finance for infrastructure”.
        
        He then goes on to say Twitford is dithering over the issue
        
        – this after saying the govt needs to get put of the way – spot the irony anyone?
        
        He then goes on rant that KiwiBuild is I’ll conceived & Twitford needs to do a rethink. He rounds off by saying “To talk about affordable housing at $650k is just an insult to everybody’s intelligence.”
        
        Well Hugh, welcome to the real world. After, getting RNZ to do reports stating the blindingly obvious, what are you going to do for an encore?, tell me tomorrow is Tuesday.
        
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        January 21, 2019 1:58pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Time to be more appreciative of good old Hugh, now that your leader Simon Bridges has been on the radio this morning to endorse the latest Demographia report.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:29am
  - Happychappy
    
    Nothing will change MM he is a bit like you a bitter twisted old men that thinks that their beliefs are gospel and the only right opinion out there.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:34am
    - sooty
      
      Just like Morrisey.
      Stoopidboy, well the name say’s it all.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:06am
      - stephieboy
        
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        sooty, struck a rich seam of irony yet again?
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:10am
      - sooty
        
        YEP! You answered!
        
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        January 21, 2019 3:51pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I don’t think Simon Bridges is all that old.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:27am
      - pentwig
        
        stoopidthing, struck a rich stream of stupidity yet again?
        sigh
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:40am
- The 15th annual Demographia international housing affordability survey.
  
  The 15th annual Demographia international housing affordability survey will be released TODAY
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  http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:16am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Hullkiwi, it’s the equivalent of all the ‘homeless people’ reports before the election (which mainly disappeared afterwards, although homelessness had not really improved).
  
  The media are trying to prepare us for CGT and possibly other ‘tax the rich pricks’ ideas.
  
  Yes, we know it won’t work to make housing more affordable, but the Taxinda crowd believe it will, by, ummm, making the ‘rich’ poorer.
  
  Including every little mum and dad investor…
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:35am
holysheet

2 terrorists walk in a bar and talk
The bartender asks whats the talk about
Terrorist 1 – we are going to kill 140 people and a donkey
Bartender- why a donkey?
Terrorist 2- see i told you no-one would care about the 140 people
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January 21, 2019 8:19am
- Morrissey
  
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  2 IDF snipers walk in a bar and start shooting their foul mouths off.
  The bartender asks whats the talk about.
  Terrorist 1 – we are going to kill 140 Palestinian kids and a donkey
  Bartender- why a donkey?
  Terrorist 2- see i told you no-one would care about those fucking untermenschen.
  All– Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:23am
  - stigie
    
    Gawd, worst ever !!
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:30am
    - Morrissey
      
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      No, that’s par for the course with those scum, gitsie. Have you seen what they put on their T-shirts?
      
      https://www.haaretz.com/1.5090720
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:34am
      - Komata
        
        Morrissey
        
        You read (and believe) Harretz?
        
        It figures!
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:12am
      - Morrissey
        
        You can’t even spell it.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:18am
  - holysheet
    
    two kiwibloggers walk unto a bar and start talking.
    The bartender asks whats the talk about
    Kiwiblogger 1 – we are going to kill all the stoooopid KB commentators and a donkey
    Bartender- why a donkey?
    Kiwiblogger 2- see i told you no-one would care about the stooopid commentators.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:35am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
      
      Ohhhhh, holysheet, you kill moi, you really do!
      
      https://media1.tenor.com/images/2b6138c8abd50d00965e784d948a88df/tenor.gif?itemid=4733491
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:40am
    - stephieboy
      
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      holyturd,
      
      I don’t know what makes you post such silly and weak jokes but it really works.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:52am
      - holysheet
        
        Bingo and my target audience responds.
        Thanks guys.
        LOL
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:59am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ” but it really works.”
        It really works does it.
        Holy will be pleased.
        I suspect Stephie meant ‘rarely’ but he’s so dumb he gets it wrong
        LOL
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:02am
      - Morrissey
        
        Fuck off!
        
        And… you stay away from those girls.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:27am
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/politics/trump-las-vegas-mass-shooting.html
        
        How about you come clean about your gender issues and let us all know why you are a very disturbed silly girl.
        
        Maybe you could also put a notation on your comments so we know if it’s dipshit 1, 2 or 3 on the keyboard/
        
        steffy is a liar
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        I guess they are made for each other.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:41am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Two Hamas supporters walk into a coffee shop (no bars in Hamasland) and one says “we’re going to shoot off some rockets aimed at Kindergartens and try to kill 140 young children and babies”. And the coffee shop owner says: “why only 140, why not try to kill thousands ? Oh, and aren’t you concerned about what the media will say ?”
    The Hamas supporter says “Well we got to start somewhere, and the media, nah, they’ll cover for us same as usual, and they like to see the dead children, gives them a thrill”
    
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    January 21, 2019 12:40pm
Maggie Pie

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January 21, 2019 8:25am
Manolo

A mate of Ginga Hughes?
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/01/20/pope-francis-knew-his-protege-took-nude-selfies-abused-seminarians-but-promoted-him-to-top-vatican-post/

The Vatican received information in 2015 and 2017 that an Argentine bishop close to Pope Francis had taken naked selfies, exhibited “obscene” behavior and had been accused of misconduct with seminarians, his former vicar general told The Associated Press, undermining Vatican claims that allegations of sexual abuse were only made a few months ago.
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January 21, 2019 8:26am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Good linkage the Manolo. What do you think is worse, the despicable behaviour of one Labour MP or the centuries of abuse encouraged, endorsed, directly perpetrated and concealed by the Catholic church?
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:31am
  - Longknives
    
    Did you miss the Labour Party Sex Camp scandal last year Mikey?
    Or, like a good little comrade, are you choosing to rewrite History?
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:35am
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      Longknives , be patient. All will unravel on March 18th where there might be a chance at rewriting history.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:13am
      - Rev Marc Pastoral care for St Albans project Ralph
        
        Sorry, Stephie is not responding to treatment.
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:32am
    - MH
      
      two cardinals walk into a bar……the donkey hee haws and makes a dash for the door.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:45am
      - softail 1450
        
        MH, very good ,LOL.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:51am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Mikey, sex abuse is sex abuse whether it be abuse of women on a Saturday night at a Labour party function or it be a systemic problem in an institution protected by the state. Whatever the circumstances it is unacceptable.
    
    Sex abuse is unwanted violation of a person and is inexcusable period!
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:44am
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      hullkiwi , the sole accused has entered a Not Guilty plea. He will be tried by a court of law, not a lynch mob led by you!
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:15am
      - igm
        
        Suppose if it were a Sharia court he wood be acquitted.
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:20am
      - pentwig
        
        stoopidthing
        can you try to explain to us all where hullkiwi even mentions “He will be tried by a court of law, not a lynch mob led by you!’
        fuckwit
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:48am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Stephiegirl, thanks you’ve just provided me (& others) with an opportunity to trash the reputation of the Labour party and the offender some more. You are really a junior level thinking Labour troll.
        
        Yes, the accused will get his day in court, but in doing so he will make matters difficult for the victims, and I wonder where the public sympathies will lie? He could have pleaded guilty and ended the matter last year, but no he & his advisors decided to draw out an event which will never reflect well on him and Labour. Meanwhile, the SLG and friends worked hard to divert attention with “the sex in the legal sector” issue, a bad situation with a lot of noise, but no suggestion of illegal sexual assault.
        
        But let us remind us of the history of the Labour sex camp and the circumstances of the accused.
        
        1. Feb 2018, Young Labour run a policy camp at Waihi;
        2. At the camp were some aged under 16 years of age;
        3. On the Saturday night of the camp there was a party at which alcoholic beverages were freely available to all, with many getting heavily intoxicated;
        4. Ghe supervising adults (& at least 1 MP) were not present for most of the party & had indeed gone to bed;
        5. During the party, it is alleged a 20 year old intoxicated male approached 4 women aged between 16 and 18 on separate occassions made uminvited/unwanted sexual advances against these women.
        6. Each of the women complained, the MP was notified and the Male against against whom the allegations were made was removed from the camp;
        7. When the Laour party president and General Secretary were notified of events, they arranged for a Labour Party Sex councillor to speak to the women concerned. No further discussions with the families occured and the police were not notified.
        8. The family of one of the young women concerned were not satisfied with how matters were dealt with by the Labour party, and so notified the police and went public about events. The police received 4 complaints about sexual assault and investigated matters further.
        9. The police investigation, revealed sufficient evidence for the man concerned to be charged and for the crown to pursue matters further.
        10. When the accused had his hearing last year he pleaded not guilty to all charges and matters were adjourned for a later date.
        11. Through the days following the alleged incident the SLG was not told of the alleged incidents and only became aware of matters only days before the incidents were made public.
        
        There you go have i left anything out?
        
        Thanks, for giving me a chance to rehash this case, i am sure there are others who will delight in adding more.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:16am
      - Tall Man
        
        So he is a gutless lying abuser?
        
        Sounds like he does have a future with labour…
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a liar.
        
        Gosh steffy, is this Donald Trump meeting survivors and families of victims, you know, the thing you said he never did…
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/politics/trump-las-vegas-mass-shooting.html
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:45am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        5. During the party, it is alleged a 20 year old intoxicated male approached 4 women aged between 16 and 18 on separate occassions made uminvited/unwanted sexual advances against these women.
        
        A slight correction. It is my understanding that both males and females were indecently assaulted, and that at least one of them may have been under 16 years of age at the time.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:44pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        KS thanks, I think you might be right. Either way, if the person at the centre of the accusations wants it to go away, he should agree quickly to a change of plea. That way sadly, most details will end up being suppressed for the benefit of the accused rather than the victims.
        
        But on another note, Stephiegirl really is stupid providing us with an open opportunity to discuss the whole matter yet again.
        
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        January 21, 2019 2:25pm
  - harvey wilson
    
    Morning Mike, made a minor edit there. Hope you don’t mind.
    
    “Good linkage there Manolo. What do you think is worse the despicable behaviour of one several Labour MPs or the continual coverups of abuse at summer camps encouraged, endorsed, directly perpetrated and concealed by the Labour party ?”
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:51am
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      harvey wilson, forget it. No Labour Party MP has been charged by a court of law. Only by a tiny number of KB rabid alt-righters.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:18am
      - Rev Marc Pastoral care for St Albans project Ralph
        
        The lithium has affected stephie’s memory sadly.
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:33am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Stephiecuck, if a naked teenager ran from a national mps house in the early hours of the morning you would never ever let us forget it.
        
        Sexual assault charges are notoriously hard to prosecute swiss ball guy took advantage of that.
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:36am
      - Happychappy
        
        SB if you think people having there say on a deviate shoving their hand down into people nickers is like being tried by a lynch mob is not justified I just hope your family never has it happen to them as if it was one of my daughters I would be making sure it never happened again.
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:50am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well then steffy girl, are still upset he didn’t put his hand down your pants?
        
        Well let me help you out there, a labour predator would never be attracted to a slovenly gender confused twit like yourself so you will just have to continue posting totally immature sexually repressed drivel here and help the National Party regain those voters that no longer want to be associated with a fucked up little mess like yourself.
        
        Have a look, Donald Trump comforting survivors and families of victims. Doesn’t count does it because he didn’t pour out the fake tears like obummer and ardern the liar…
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/politics/trump-las-vegas-mass-shooting.html
        
        You are a truly sad case.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        who gives a shit about poor little steffy…
        
        Nobody.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:53am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “Only by a tiny number of KB rabid alt-righters.”
        
        In stupidboy’s unique little world a ‘rabid alt-righter’ is someone who is to the right of Jeremy Corbyn.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:48pm
  - Simon
    
    “the centuries of abuse encouraged, endorsed, directly perpetrated and concealed by the Catholic church?”
    
    It worse than that those sick fucks also attempt to hide behind the loving words of Jesus Christ.
    
    The pope & many Catholic church members continual the rape of children and cover up is as bad as Hollywood.
    
    Hughes at least Labo got rid of him after a bit of pushing. The Pope should be gone.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:52am
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      Simon, why not include the current POTUS?
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:19am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Simon,why not include Ralph who pervs at young girls?
        We all know that how it starts…
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:21am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I agree Simon. It seems that many would rather talk about some local scandals on a smaller scale (one where no charges were laid, but the MP resigned; and one where the accused is facing court) than address the systematic abuse endorsed by the church.
      I can’t help wondering which is the more significant issue.
      Anyway, about those Lime scooters…
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:33am
  - s.russell
    
    I look forward to Labour’s 2020 slogan:
    “Vote Labour! Less abusive than the Catholic church!”
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:03am
  - KeaRea
    
    Mikenmild – be specific. By homosexuals admitted to the Catholic Church. And by Jews in the Catholic Church, and by communists and masons infiltrating – like the current Pope who is all four. Yes, it was indeed a huge mistake. But have faith. It will be cleansed.
    
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    January 21, 2019 1:33pm
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At the NZ criminal bar association annual conference last August Helen Winkelmann presented extensively.

From one who attended

“Winkelmann observed in her presentation that criminal appeal success rates had declined markedly (Ive lost the figure but it has gone from something like 43% percent successful or partially successful in 2002 to something like 28% in 2017, which is statistically significant. There wasn’t any real insight as to why (for example, no obvious correlation with legal aid changes), though generally the thrust was that she wanted to see more appeals.”

Yeah Helen, thanks very much for that.
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January 21, 2019 8:33am
- harvey wilson
  
  Let the downvoting and reporting begin.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:48am
  - Notsofast
    
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    Or the lord god almighty forbid, debate it.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:57am
- JibberJabber
  
  Still butthurt cos` your boyfriend Mark “Chop-Chop” Lundy remains in jail for killing his wife and child?
  Not too long to go before the softcock legal system lets this c#*t out, just be patient and your fantasies will be fulfilled.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:49am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Thats not brain matter on his shirt! its from a pie.
    
    Ffs , Notsofast what if he gets out and treats you like family?
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:00am
    - Jack5
      
      Or, perhaps Notsofast is the guilty one himself.
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:06am
      - Morrissey
        
        Lundy was a violent slob. Just look at him.
        
        https://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/unnamed-1-600×335.jpg
        
        [DPF: That is Strike 1]
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:09am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Brownlee has every right to sue your sorry arse. And I hope he does.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:15am
      - Morrissey
        
        https://i.imgur.com/UoVWnOc.gif
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:16am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        You disgust me with your repeated smears Morrissey. You may think that referring to Lundy whilst posting a photo of Gerry Brownlee is funny, but I somehow doubt Mr Brownlee would agree.
        
        I have reported this post as it exposes DPF to a very clear risk of defamation, and I hope he takes it down as soon as he becomes aware of it. Slander people all you like on your own blog, but don’t parasite on the hard work that DPF does.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:48pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        KS,
        Thanks for that, I have done the very same thing.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:50pm
      - Morrissey
        
        It’s Lundy that’s been defamed by that comparison, surely?
        
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        January 21, 2019 1:24pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Fuck, what an idiot.
        His original defamatory comment has been taken down by DPF and still he piles it on.
        The man clearly has a problem.
        
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        January 21, 2019 1:30pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I know that DPF has a very low tolerance to potentially defamatory comments and he is the publisher of Kiwiblog and carries the risk that goes along with that. Given that Morrissey has repeated the smear, I suspect he is heading for a holiday.
        
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        January 21, 2019 1:43pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Breen at the Bat
        
        A massive crowd watches home run hero Breen walk up to home plate. He swings unwisely at Gerry Brownlee, and misses.
        
        MR. FARRAR: That is Strike ONE!
        
        BREEN: [lays down bat] I withdraw and apologize. [sotto voce] (It was just a little JOKE, fer Crissakes.)
        
        Loutish catcalls float out from the massed throng….
        
        CAP’N MAINWARING: I hope Lundy sues your sorry ARSE!!!!
        
        KEEPING STOCK: You disgust me with your repeated smears Morrissey. I have reported you!
        
        CAP’N MAINWARING: I have done the very same thing. Fuck, what an idiot. The man clearly has a problem.
        
        KEEPING STOCK: I suspect he is heading for a holiday.
        
        BREEN: Fuck off. I’ve got two strikes left, you dildo.
        
        ……
        
        PHOTO: Keeping Stock and Cap’n Mainwaring:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE
        
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        January 21, 2019 5:05pm
      - graham
        
        Morrissey, just quietly … you’re really not as funny as you think you are.
        
        Not by a long shot.
        
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        January 21, 2019 5:46pm
- fernglas
  
  New Zealand appeal success rates have been historically high compared to the UK, Aus and Canada, so maybe it’s just an adjustment. Or maybe it’s that there are more meritless appeals being filed. Less appeals would increase the success rate, so your source may not have followed what she was saying.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:59am
  - Notsofast
    
    I can only quote, but of course I have a fairly narrow interest, and that is constrained to the criminal appeals against murder convictions and the correctness of the decisions. It is accepted in Thomas and Pora 4 from 4 are false. It is generally accepted that in Tamihere it was the most abysmally crafted appeal dismissal to that date, and of course the recent Lundy appeal decision trumps that by a measurable margin.
    Helen must live with that albatross.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      Notsofast ,
      
      Topic: Multiple reasons why Sheila Caffell is innocent and Jeremy Bamber is guilty
      
      1. Uncontaminated hands and nightdress completely free of any gunfire residue or gun oil. In fact no contaminants of any sort indicated that Sheila never handled the rifle let alone fired it 25 times in quick succession and reloaded its magazine at least twice.
      
      2. Uncontaminated feet. Sheila’s feet were completely clean and free of blood or any other contaminants evidencing the fact that she had been in bed when the attack took place and thereafter only walked on carpet. She could never have been downstairs in the kitchen that morning.
      
      3. Uncut feet. Nevill Bamber was brutally attacked in the kitchen after having been shot several times in the upstairs bedroom. During the assault in the kitchen a glass lampshade was smashed leaving glass fragments all over the floor. Had Sheila taken part in that attack the soles of her feet or the soles of her slippers would have been pock marked with glass fragments. Sheila’s feet were unmarked as were the soles of her slippers.
      
      4. Only one fingerprint on the rifle evidencing the fact that Sheila did not wield it or fire it. Had she shot herself twice as alleged by some her thumbprint would have been on the trigger since she would have to had pushed it. It wasn’t….
      
      etc, etc
      
      http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=77.0
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:25am
      - Notsofast
        
        Fingerprints on rifles are tricky because of metal treatment. But how do you know? There was evidence planting in this case, the paint on the silencer was created by the relatives. Anne Eaton drew the attention of the police to it. The relatives understood they were now tenants of a 23 year old, so steered the case towards Bamber.
        It worked like a charm, Anne lives in the house and Bamber grinds out a full life tarrif. The accurate information is available, and shows how the crime happened.
        
        1. Motive:
        Neville and June explained to Sheila she was an unfit mother and it was best the 7 year old twins be placed elsewhere, at dinner.
        2. Sheila’s period started so she went downstairs about 2 am to sort herself out, putting blooded underware in a bucket in the kitchen, leaving a tampon applicator in the living room.
        3. This created enough noise to wake the patriarch Neville and bring him downstairs to check the remote farm house security, possible intruder.
        4. The argument from previous evening continued, and Sheila took the 22 with 9 shots in cartridge Jeremy had loaded for the rabbit cull, but he had found none to shoot, and she headed upstairs.
        5. Neville rang Jeremy at Goldhanger cottage saying Sheila has gone crazy with the gun, then dropped the phone as he heard shots upstairs.
        6. He raced up and Sheila swivelled in the doorway, shooting him twice in the mouth, then in the shoulder and elbow as he fled, collapsing in the coal scuttle. cartridge empty, 5 to June and 4 to Neville.
        7. Sheila reloaded and shot him 4 times in the head.
        8. Heading back upstairs she found June had moved to the bedroom doorway, so shot her twice in the head.
        9. Timelines now fluid as she contemplates the enormity of her situation, but eventually drills bullets into the sleeping children so they need not suffer for her actions. She cleans herself up somewhat in the manner of Robin Bain, accounting for the lack of forensics on her person, and as the police holler at her from outside she lies down by her mother and shoots herself, but mistakes the angle and the bullet goes through her neck. She realigns and shoots herself in the brain through the throat.
        Julie Mugford and the realatives all consort with the renegade detective Jones to create a complicated crime from a straightforward narrative.
        
        All this is unassailable evidence from the crime scene, the rest is decades of idiocy from the judiciary and ultimately Teresa May as home secretary.
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        Notsofast,
        
        7. Sheila reloaded and shot him 4 times in the head.
        
        And shot herself twice
        
        Hmmm..!
        
        The fact Sheila suffered from a mental disorder does not make her guilty nor her parents allegedly saying she was unfit and could not possibly handle the rifle without leaving fingerprints on it.
        
        Uncanny parallels with the Bain murders, eh?
        
        The rest,
        
        5. It is almost certain that blood and DNA belonging to Sheila was found in the sound moderator. Group ‘A’ human blood matching Sheila was recovered from the sound moderator in 1985. Later, advances in forensic science methods led to the recovery of DNA from inside the sound moderator which returned 17 markers out of 20 as a match to Sheila which was substantially better than the maximum coincidence rate of thirteen. Sheila could not have shot herself with the sound moderator attached nor could she have returned it to the gun cupboard after shooting herself twice in the throat.
        
        6. Sheila was in good spirits, looking forward to the future as a family again. Her doctor and her ex husband stated that she was not capable of hurting her father or her children.
        
        7. Two gunshots to her neck. Hardly indicative of a suicide especially when the first one would have incapacitated her. It is also noticeable that the gun and magazine were empty when found. Was that another coincidence that Sheila just happened to use the last bullet and had no others on her person?
        
        8. No marks or injuries following a fight. Sheila was tiny compared to the 6′ 2″ Nevill. She could not have fought with him without sustaining some sort of injury or damage to her clothing.
        
        9. Sheila had traces of cannabis in her system rendering her calm and docile, not violent or murderous.
        
        10. Sheila had run out of her procyclidine which counteracts the effects of her medication haloperidol. Without this she would have been very shaky and uncoordinated (as described by various witnesses) and would not have had the control needed to get off 25 shots without missing one never mind trying to reload an awkward magazine in between time.
        
        11. Sheila was unfamiliar with the rifle or any firearm for that matter and would have been unable to make 25 target shots.
        
        12. If Sheila had shot herself in the throat and had remained conscious, there would have been blood in her mouth and throat with resultant blood spatter everywhere as she struggled to breathe. Her fingers would have touched the burning wound and ended up covered in blood as would have her face and neck. The blood trails running from this wound would have been smudged yet it was not. There was no secondary blood staining to her face or neck when the police initially found her. The inside of her hands and her finger tips did not have any blood staining. Sheila therefore was not conscious after the first shot and most certainly did not fire the second one.
        
        13. Sheila’s body was found on the far side of the master bedroom away from everyone. Had she committed suicide as some allege it is more than likely that she would have done so beside her children and not remote from them.
        
        14. Perfectly manicured nails and all intact and unbroken. If Sheila had used the rifle and loaded it at least once she would have ended up with some nail damage. There wa
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:58am
      - Notsofast
        
        Stephie this is standard fodder in the case you recite, but it is all fallacious. I can deal point by point, but find it easier to state what did happen after studying where the cartridges landed and the trajectories through bodies, which accord precisely with my account. The best attempt the police made, and Carol Ann Lee recounted because it saved her the embarrassment of creating an impossible reconstruction, is quite appalling.
        It is impossible. Many attempts have been made, but they are riddled with impossibilities.
        
        Holly Goodhead has the complete reconstruction, she moderates a forum of guilters, and is the main voice of sanity. She is working with an American analyst to get the case resolved, which can happen only when Jeremy Bamber is released and the crooked relatives are kicked out of the farm hose they stole from him.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think you would need to do a much more extensive comparison of appeal court decisions before you could draw conclusions.
      But I would suggest that such research from a monomaniac with predetermined conclusions would be of little values.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:36am
      - Notsofast
        
        I find the simplest strategy is to assume in the difficult cases these people are innocent. Fairly soon there comes a data point to disprove this. For example I was puzzled by Quinton Winders, but the judge in sentencing presented just such data that Winders can’t climb from under. On the face of it a broad daylight murder from a car with multiple witnesses seems an absurd plan, but alternative explanations fail.
        Guilty.
        Similarly Scott Watson is burdened with demonstrating a ketch that was either not photographed, or the photographs were destroyed, so I have an open mind.
        In the other cases my mind is closed, and there is nothing credible in the police narratives.
        There are only three New Zealanders who have had access to all the material in Lundy and have stated they are sure he is guilty.
        Who might they be?
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:14am
      - Longknives
        
        Paul McCartney is dead as well Notsofast.
        The clues are all in Sgt Pepper’s mate!
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:12pm
    - fernglas
      
      Notsofast.
      In a nutshell, the Lundy decision says that notwithstanding the inadmissibility of the evidence that it was human brain on his shirt, undisputed evidence that central nervous system tissue was found there in the middle of a large patch of Cristine Lundy’s DNA meant that, taken together with other evidence, there was no miscarriage of justice at the trial. Obviously, that conclusion will be in issue at the Supreme Court, but whether you agree with it or not, I query why you say the decision itself was so “abysmally crafted”
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:01am
      - Notsofast
        
        I say it with pretty complete case knowledge.
        An analogy might be the Rainbow Warrior, where the French were devastated to find there were real police and not just warriors in grass skirts to contend with.
        And so will find the appeal panel in Lundy….
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:16am
      - Tall Man
        
        You are engaging with an idiot.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:57am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Tall Man – I think the term Michael Laws used which applies very well to Notsofast was “Single Issue Nutter”.
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:50pm
secondcumming

Another beautiful weekend here in Auckland…..spent a bit of time driving back & forth along *Tamaki Drive* with the hood down.

Came to the conclusion that lycra-clad cyclists are the horrible ginger bastards of the road.
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January 21, 2019 8:43am
- stephieboy
  
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  On your way to your Doctors appointment this morning?
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:27am
  - Rev Marc Pastoral care for St Albans project Ralph
    
    Stephie is totally unaware of his irony.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:35am
  - secondcumming
    
    For some strange reason stephieboy, I always thought you were *Pakeha* ……. 😎
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw4VYDpWoAE2Vv5.jpg
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:41am
    - softail 1450
      
      secondcumming,the nanny was whispering into bubba goats ear, “no matter what happens dont allow stephieboy to approach you from behind” LOL.
      
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      January 21, 2019 11:00am
      - secondcumming
        
        Credit where it’s due softy…..I’m sure steph will make a great dad 🙂
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:18pm
    - igm
      
      second: No “It” is a mongrel . . . even has Islam sympathies . . . a real lefty POS.
      
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      January 21, 2019 11:07am
Sofia

Greenfern Medicinal Marijuana has put up billboards across Auckland, Tauranga, Hamilton and Christchurch, likening the future sale of medicinal cannabis to striking gold or oil.

“We’ve struck oil in Taranaki. Want to invest?” the billboards read, ironically referencing one Government fuck-up with another that is just commencing – the race regarding cannabis supply without the Government even yet setting any parameters.

While medicinal cannabis may seem like striking gold, will Government through Pharmac not control price and availability? Are they not supposed to make it affordable for those that need it.
And how near death will you need to be to get it? And will that effect market size?

The Government has not yet defined anything, it seems – at least not publicly.
Does medicinal cannabis involve smoking, or more the use of sprays, oils and pills?

Does medical cannabis actually get a patient high, or for those who are in chronic pain, does medical cannabis not just allow pain control so ill people can feel like healthy people do – normal – before they consider getting high?

Helius Therapeutics became the first Kiwi cannabis start-up to launch a nationwide advertising campaign last month.
Their billboard says “CANNABIS IS MEDICINE”
Should it not actually say MEDICAL CANNABIS IS MEDICINE”?

Is the Government going to contribute anything itself, or depend on yet another committee to take about a year (like, identifying the costs in a litre of petrol) to come up with some “answers” to questions of their own choice (as, seemingly the Tax Working Group has)?

And meanwhile cannabis can be like traditional Westerns and their depiction of “medicinal” whiskey –
pour some of the bottle into the gunshot, much more into the doctor, and then any left: down the victim’s throat?
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January 21, 2019 8:44am
- KevOB
  
  If everyone is being true medical cannabis is devoid of THC and gets no one high. It is on par with many other plants producing essential oils with diverse phytochemistry and passed off as snake oil substitutes or dietary supplements.
  The phenol cannabidiol in medicinal cannabis may be useful as an anti-inflammatory or a cleanser. The rest of the chemicals are mainly plant excreta or bug repellents. There are many other similar available freely at a fraction of the price. The market price is being kept up as a way of selling the sizzle of a cheshire cat sausage. Who would buy medical cannabis without the high which it cannot produce? I might, if it was cheap enough, to add it my herbal preparations but it would have to be proven to be safe and superior to what already works and has for 3,00o years. King Tut had the seeds in his tomb.
  There is no need for regulation of THC free cannabis sativa.
  
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  January 21, 2019 12:44pm
srylands

So some human bones are found on a beach. They are hundreds of years old. Now the beach is closed for at least 6 weeks. So if you live nearby and it is your local beach, that is summer gone.

Why?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/110049193/human-bones-washed-up-at-maket-bay-of-plenty
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January 21, 2019 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  Because we’re a proudly secular society /
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:02am
- skyblue
  
  Will probably find human bite Mark’s on the remains.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:02am
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“Bye bye Nasties—don’t let the door slam behind you.”
Good riddance to New Zealand’s Biggest Bogans
by E. KERR McROVI, The Gerald, Sunday 20 January 2019

You would have to wonder what this country’s Biggest Bogans were doing when they chose the New Zealand taxpayer to fund their calumny from 2008 until we gave them the arse in 2017.

Did they think we were complete saps, willing to roll over and accept their appalling anti-social and criminal behaviour? That we were too primitive and unsophisticated to galvanise ourselves into a posse of right-thinking community policemen and women? A little bit of homework would have shown that we have spectacularly good form in bringing down even highly trained criminals, far less amateurs.

But just to recap … That bunch of foul mouthed, bribe-taking, snitching, backstabbing, housing expenses-rorting, cigar smoke-blowing, hairpulling louts made headlines on a daily – nay, hourly – basis. Since award-winning journalist Nicky Hager exposed to the nation in 2014 that their leader had allowed his office to be the command centre for an illegal, secret campaign of character assassination and vilification run by the infamous and disgusting Cameron “FailAll” Slater, assisted incompetently and pathetically by his stumble-tongued slave Jordan Williams, this gang of reprobates ran our country’s reputation into the ground with the same lack of concern as their dirty dairy friends foul the water the rest of us used to drink and swim in.

The gang of thugs parked up at the Beehive for nine terrible years quickly drew the attention of Kiwis thanks to their filthy language and their filthy, dishonest behaviour. [1] When a local woman suffering from asthma asked one of them to stop smoking a cigar in an enclosed box at a football match, the scumbag turned particularly nasty. Instead of ceasing to smoke, he walked up to the woman and blew smoke in her face. This led to the woman’s husband nearly knocking the fitch-faced feral fuckwit’s brains out. [2] And thus it began.

As a result of the publicity over the cigar fracas, a number of people approached the Herald with their own horror stories of encountering the nation’s Biggest Bogans.

A man who had the great misfortune to share a flight with one of these appalling humans recounted his bad behaviour at Christchurch Airport in 2014. It was hours of misery for everyone involved, when the fattest and most unpleasant of all the Bogans bumptiously bypassed security to board a domestic flight. He was fined $2,000 for that bit of idiocy. [3]

Next, a young waitress from Parnell came forward to complain about the leader of the Unruly Gang. She recognised the lout from his many appearances in the media and told how he and his people had come to her cafe and repeatedly pulled her hair while his wife just watched. [4]

Another of these antisocial and repulsive pests was caught by one of our leading artists in the act of befouling our waterways, along with his horrid dirty dairying amigos. [5]

This Unruly, Unholy Mob had no idea just how effective New Zealanders can be at monitoring aberrant behaviour. Those of us who are honest will remember that the gangsters who ran that vicious and secret campaign of character assassination from Wonky John’s office were exposed not by this country’s counter espionage agents or even our investigative police officers. The hapless bumbling tossers in charge of the operation were exposed thanks to a concerned computer expert (“Rawshark”) who had clocked a number of odd incidents and reported them to the renowned journalist Nicky Hager.

So this group of professional louts never had a chance of slipping under the radar. The reaction to these no-hopers was an excellent example of what can happen when we work together.

[1] http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2910957/Bill-English-buckles-over-housing-allowance

[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10413574

[3] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63297518/null

[4] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/67949918/null

[5] https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/l/f/i/z/s/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240×700.1lfi0o.png/1504501119377.jpg

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12192586
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January 21, 2019 8:53am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Brought to you by Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:06am
- harvey wilson
  
  I didn’t read a word of that but I did give it a downvote.
  
  All that work for nothing, the losers at the standard might thrashwank over it though.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:10am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Oh you read it, harv. And you either laughed, or nodded in agreement, or tore your hair out in anger, along with everyone else who read it.
    
    Admit it, harv.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:18am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Its like you don’t even know me Morrisey. I don’t have any hair.
      I’ll admit you can be a funny bugger at times though, this was not one of those times.
      
      Btw I read the first paragraph thinking you’d actually quoted an article and I could read it without giving stuff a click. Imagine my disappointment when t turned out to be a tedious rant.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:30am
      - Morrissey
        
        …turned out to be a tedious rant.
        
        Well, it was a Kerre McIvor article. What would you expect?
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:36am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Fair point the Morrisey , bizarrely enough I read a comment on the Dimpost years ago about her. Apparently someone tried to start a local version of Bohemian grove down in Nelson and the author found himself standing in a ring around a campfire holding hands with her on one side and Karl Du Fresne on the other while they sang the national anthem.
        
        Ever heard anything about this?
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:53am
      - Morrissey
        
        No, I haven’t heard that one—I’m just glad I wasn’t there. I’m also glad I wasn’t at a party in Wellington attended by Brian Edwards thirty-something years ago where, he said, Kerre Woodham lip-synched to the entire album of Rocky Horror.
        
        Edwards recounted that story on the radio, with admiration and barely disguised lust suffusing his voice.
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:05am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Please for the love of god tell me you made that up
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:34am
    - srylands
      
      That’s telling about you. Few people would get angry or laugh.
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:55am
- JibberJabber
  
  Even Google translate can`t do Methspeak.
  Never too early to hit the pipe eh, Linkslut?
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:20am
  - Morrissey
    
    Meth. Hmmmm…. is that what this member of that lowlife gang was on?
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1348303/John-Key-s-son-yells-Real-men-ride-women-cyclists.html
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:37am
    - pentwig
      
      mooronicmorriss
      you have forgotten to take your pills again
      go and grab them, a glass of water, sit down, take them and calm down
      thats a good dog
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:16am
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks for caring, p.
        
        https://68.media.tumblr.com/da8eaedab64a670ea438c20201b5584c/tumblr_nxpgs2zQjw1tyncywo1_400.gif
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:23am
waikatogirl

Cindy has arrived in London and has been meeting with Kiwi business owners. She is also there for a pre-set meeting with Theresa May to discuss “trade after Brexit”. Trouble is Theresa has the biggest fight of her life today with a critical Brexit plan speech and vote in Parliament. The last thing Theresa needs today is Cindy on the doorstep whining about what NZ wants post-Brexit.
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  waikatogirl, do you seriously think both PMs are the slightest concerned about you rather pointless post?
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:30am
  - Rev Marc Pastoral care for St Albans project Ralph
    
    Stephie has delusions that include thinking anyone cares about what he says.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:36am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy ,baaaah,baaaah,,baaaaah. my post makes as much sense as yours goatboy?.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:37am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Thanks for that LOL SB. You really are stupid aren’t you! ?
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:37am
  - holysheet
    
    Stooopidboy you should donate your brain to science.
    I hear they are still searching for the perfect vacuum.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:43am
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      holysheet ,septicboys brain is perfect for research,its never been used……
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:21am
  - pentwig
    
    stoopidthing
    WG’s post wasn’t addressed to the two PM’s
    can you comprehend that?
    therefore your inane post is more than pointless
    sigh
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:47am
- rangitoto
  
  The Aussies already have a Brexit deal with the UK. Cindy and co are late to the party.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:49am
Sacha

Wow.
It took 12 months to create this?
Pathetic.
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January 21, 2019 9:08am
Fletch

This might have been mentioned already – but it looks like the MSM are lying about the MAGA-hat wearing Catholics and the Native American story. It turns out that the Indian guy with the drum approached THEM and started banging it in the face of that young guy who just smiled. Oh, no, but the media has to spin it that MAGA-hat wearing Catholic students harassed a Native American vet. If you look at the videos online, the rest of the students are actually dancing to the drum and chanting along with the guy. No wonder nobody trusts the media.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2019/01/20/nbc-blasts-catholic-students-racist-fails-update-story

https://twitter.com/infolibnews/status/1086839064622497792

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1DrAeUNPU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4oUBTS0DM
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January 21, 2019 9:28am
- stephieboy
  
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  Even Rupert Murdoch’s NY Post contradicts your assertions and claims. The fact that the college are students from a Catholic college was purely incidental and coincidental to the news coverage of the incident,
  
  https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/video-shows-teen-boys-taunting-native-american-man-at-march/
  
  BTW , the college and diocese apologised to the Native American for their behaviour
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:37am
  - holysheet
    
    Have you apologised to St Albans. Must be hard for them to continually try and defend your creepy perving at the malls.
    
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    January 21, 2019 9:46am
    - Fletch
      
      According to one you-tuber, who has assembled about 5 videos of what happened – this is his best guess –
      
      I wasn’t there so I couldn’t tell you, but after looking at the news coverage and all 4 or 5 of the cell videos I found online, this is the best timeline I can come up with.
      
      From what I can tell a group from House of Israel D.C. was demonstrating at the Lincoln Memorial. They got into arguments with Native Americans and other black citizens.
      
      One of the students who goes to Covington told a local reporter via Twitter that they showed up to catch their 5:30 bus home.
      
      The House of Israel group noticed the MAGA hats and started yelling at them too. According to the YouTube video above (mirror of Shar Yaqataz Banyamyan facebook video), it lasted about an hour — before Nathan Phillips even showed up.
      
      At the same time, The Indigenous People March was wrapping up at the Lincoln Memorial. Nathan Phillips sees the situation and inserts himself into the crowd, apparently to ease the tension.
      
      The students think it’s a performance of some sort, but don’t really know what’s happening.
      
      Phillips ends up coming face-to-face with a CCH student. The student smiles awkwardly and maybe smugly, probably confused by the entire thing.
      
      Another student and another person from the march get into a conversation about the land. Some harsh language is used in that debate too.
      
      The student who is face-to-face with Nathan Phillips seems to indicate to the other student who is debating about land to just quit.
      
      It seems the students probably weren’t being as respectful as they should be, but they certainly don’t appear to be the hateful racists that media is making them out to be (even if they do wear MAGA hats).
      
      The students somewhat disperse, but then the Israelites come back into the picture. They use some homophobic slurs while talking to the students.
      
      The students’ bus finally arrives and they happily leave the situation behind them.
      
      Unfortunately, these days, you have to gather information and video from about 15 sources before you get a clear picture about what happened.
      
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      January 21, 2019 9:58am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Or:
        *Fortunately*, these days, you *can* gather information and videos from about 15 sources.
        
        Previously you couldn’t.
        
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        January 21, 2019 11:49am
      - MCos
        
        Seems like a number of different groups with their own barrow to push.
        A couple of these groups are obviously seasoned campaigners. The bunch yelling homophobic slurs aren’t going to get much traction from the media. I don’t know, but I would imagine there’s hundreds of such groups over there.
        The MAGA, anti abortion, Catholic, school kids with the fair complexions didn’t stand a chance in the tough world of knock ‘em down public opinion up against the hard nosed indigenous war vet.
        BTW
        Where were their supervisors?
        
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        January 21, 2019 12:40pm
  - mic
    
    If you look at all the videos you will clearly see that the Native American, well known for his activism, was at fault, not the student who just stood there, surrounded by other activists and having a drum repeatedly pounded near his face. Kudos to the young man for not reacting and just smiling not knowing what the hell was going on!
    The school is now thinking of suing the media over the fake story.
    Get your facts straight before maligning some kid who is now being hounded by other left wing fanatics such as yourself.
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:55am
  - BananaLlama
    
    Story is bullshit there is Video evidence that discredits you. The School is now considering legal action against media outlets, i hope they sue.
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:55am
- EAD_THREE
  
  I love that young fella in the MAGA hat & his unapologetic thousand-yard stare which says, “You can take your white guilt & your white privilege and shove it up your arse. My generation is gonna take back America & there’s f*ck all you can do about it.”
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:53am
  - Jack5
    
    Now the ~~American Indian~~ “real American” [as Robert E. Lee said of the presence of a full-blooded American Indian official at his surrender to Grant] says the Catholic schoolboys were mocking the haka!
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12193628
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:16am
    - Jack5
      
      The report is heavily qualified, as with this: “….Some viewers of the video have suggested it may have been a school dance as opposed to the haka.”
      
      Anyone-else think the haka generally is vastly over-performed? It’s here, there, and everywhere. It could become dated and irrelevant, like a soccer crowd chant or song.
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:25am
auckwood

Toxic masculinity…? What about Toxic Femininity…?

https://youtu.be/-X94TPrzWsI

The female version of the Gillette ad, by an anti-domestic violence group that doesn’t lump all males in one category…
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January 21, 2019 9:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Watch that get ignored.
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:21am
  - waikatogirl
    
    It’s true though. Women can be very vindictive and nasty to each other.
    
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    January 21, 2019 1:31pm
lifesgood

A Levin motel owner is upset at the mess left by the low life English travelers. You’ve got to laugh. It’s not as if he hadn’t been warned. What an idiot
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January 21, 2019 9:44am
- holysheet
  
  Was that the one with the Chinky looks and name?
  He was on TV last week.
  It was all about the money for him.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:47am
  - Jack5
    
    You mean this one, as the report said:
    
    “…The motel owner, who didn’t want to be named,”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109991954/horowhenua-mayor-issues-warning-to-unruly-tourist-family
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:11am
- MCos
  
  I don’t know any details of this particular incident other than this comment, but it sounds like you’re blaming the motel owner for the mess the occupants made?
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:53am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Well, it was Levin, they have to take what they can get.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:57am
  - Inandout
    
    Isn’t this a new one?
    
    https://zacharys.co.nz/
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:16am
  - KevOB
    
    Careful–I was born there.
    
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    January 21, 2019 12:52pm
- kowtow
  
  Do the media go on and on about the problems caused by benes in motels ?
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:07am
tedbear

About time parents/guardians are facing charges of child neglect.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/380482/teens-involved-in-hamilton-police-pursuit
“Three teenagers have been involved in a police pursuit in the early hours of this morning.
Police say they saw a suspicious vehicle in the Hamilton suburb of Bader shortly after 3am.
They say the driver didn’t stop for police and there was a short pursuit until the car hit road spikes a few minutes later on Peachgrove Road.
Senior Sergeant Tina Shaw says two boys aged 14 and 15, and a 14 year old girl fled the car but were caught shortly afterwards.
The three will appear in the Hamilton youth court this week.”

The parents/guardians of these children should also be appearing in court.
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January 21, 2019 9:48am
- KevOB
  
  Did the Police set a dog on them when caught?
  
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  January 21, 2019 12:54pm
MH

Roast Busters back in the limelight.
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January 21, 2019 9:52am
- auckwood
  
  where..?
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:08am
  - waikatogirl
    
    TV3 News 6pm – Exclusive.
    One of the two boys approached the media last October to explain…
    The case is still open with a chance of it ending up in court if one of the girls presses charges.
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:16am
Inandout

Mike had a BBC man on his show discussing Trump, and the Beeb man said ‘most people don’t support the wall’. Hispanics, being most affected by illegals, strongly support Trump. Why can’t Mike just for once have a Fox journalist on his show for a bit of balance?
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January 21, 2019 10:31am
Wired-one

Another 11000 people added to the tax payer funded gravy train in the past 12 months. Great work Ardern you incompetent twat. Who would’ve thought going soft on beneficiaries and making the benefit easier to get, would make things worse.
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January 21, 2019 10:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Surely the “job seekers” benefit is the same as the Unemployment benefit….by a different name?
  
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  January 21, 2019 4:55pm
Jack5

Spare a thought for Roger Federer, at 37, out in the fourth round at Melbourne.

As Mark Twain is reported to have quipped:

“Life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of eighty and gradually approach eighteen.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12193537
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January 21, 2019 10:39am
- SGA
  
  I doubt that he needs to play for the money, so maybe he just enjoys the challenge or the lifestyle or something?
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:54am
- Longknives
  
  The guy is a class act.
  No temper tantrums or threats to the Umpire when Federer loses..
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:56am
  - MCos
    
    He used to be a shit in his early professional years; about a hundred years ago!
    
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    January 21, 2019 2:43pm
MCos

The other day Saudi teenager Rahaf al-Qunun was detained at Bangkok Airport and was threatened with deportation back to her, allegedly, aggressive family. She managed to kick up a fuss via Twitter ans was eventually able to fly to Canada.

At the same time Russian Natalia Rybka has been detained in prison in Bangkok for a year after being arrested for prostitution in Pattaya.
She then made some sensational claims about secret tapes that implicated Russia in messing with the American elections, and requested asylum in the US, who weren’t interested.
A couple of days ago she was deported back to Russia, roughed up at the airport and dragged away. Probably the last anyone will see of her.

Either she had something or she didn’t.
Whatever.
When it comes to protecting their interests those Russians don’t take chances . . . . . . . from anyone.
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January 21, 2019 10:39am
- Inandout
  
  A Russian hooker looking for a get out of jail excuse.
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:49am
  - MCos
    
    A year ago right up until she was deported.
    However.
    Why was she hustled away once she landed back home?
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:38am
RiP NZ

Was looking forward to a bit of the news returning to breakfast TV – lasted 5 mins, Garner is simply a terrible broadcaster
Also – Why on earth to we continue to put these ‘unruly tourists’ on the front page of the majors everyday for over a week?
Says more about us than them, that we are so obsessed and backwards to hang on their every fkn movement
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January 21, 2019 10:47am
- Inandout
  
  Thanks for the heads up on Garner, will dodge his show when I can.
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:51am
- kowtow
  
  Remember , when the media push anti white stories, poverdy porn , equality etc ….. that they were very happy to hyper denigrate these members of an uneducated , dispossesed ,oppressed minority .
  
  How very queer.
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:55am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Totally agree.
  
  I bet the media did a deal with them and said look, if you say the whites are bad and the Maoris are nice, then we’ll give you unlimited coverage.
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:01am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Why the fuck do we have a system that allows tourists who commit crimes to be allow to continue to wander the streets here? They are obviously recidivist scum who live by scamming and stealing so every day the wander free just costs NZ more money.
  
  Get visitors on a plane out of here as soon as they are convicted.
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We have a friend who lets their beautiful home through Airbnb when they go overseas. Image if you ended up with a bunch of unwashed poms like this in your house!
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:31am
kowtow

I see the ODT is running the fake news story about the “racist” Catholic students inWashington.

Already discredited .

“On Saturday, cartoonist and political commentator Scott Adams said that the students had behaved like “assholes.”

On Sunday, he apologized for that remark and called the entire story “fake news,” saying that CNN and other news sources had inverted the perpetrator and the victim. He added that the full video suggested that the students had acted with composure under the circumstances, and had objected to a gay slur being used by one of their opponents.”

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/01/20/critics-covington-maga-critics-push-back-against-portrayal-of-catholic-high-school-as-racist-to-native-american/
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January 21, 2019 10:52am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow , I would urge caution with Breitbart who have made fake news reports an art form.
  
  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breitbart/
  
  Examples,
  
  Headline: “Hillary Clinton: Wanted to ‘Curl Up’ and ‘Never Leave The House Again’” (read the actual quote, for Christ’s sake)[218]
  Headline: “Obama: Muslims Built ‘The Very Fabric of Our Nation’ “[219] (debunked by Snopes[220])
  Headline: “4 Illegal Immigrants Caught on Camera ‘Rolling’ Over Border’ “[221]
  Headline: “Lawmaker Wants to Pull Funding from Colleges That Spend Money on ‘Coddling’ Students over Trump”[222]
  Headline: “Take Down the Fascist, Anti-Christian Gay-Pride Flag”[223]
  Headline: “Arabic Translator: Muslim Migrants Secretly Hate Christians, Seek to Outbreed Them”[224]
  Headline: “War on Christmas: Saudis Ban International Schools from Observing Non-Islamic Holidays”[225]
  Headline: “Congressman Slams Discredited Media on House Floor”[226] (oh, the irony)
  Headline: “Donald Trump Won 7.5 Million Popular Vote Landslide in Heartland”[227] (which is a bullshit[228] metric[229])
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:23am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Surely you mean “Buzzfeed”
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:25am
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      RW Capitalist,
      
      Buzzfeed??
      
      Did they report the totally discredited Pizzaggate and Dortmund Muslim riots etc?
      
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      January 21, 2019 11:29am
  - KevOB
    
    What do you do for bedside reading?
    
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    January 21, 2019 12:59pm
Liberty

The Herald has another silly headline.
“New Zealand’s most isolated bach”
In the south a bach is called a crib
Then it is at Stewart Island. To Herald readers from Auckland
That might as well be the dark side of the Moon.
But the bach is only a 2 hr walk and 15min by boat.
There is a number of bachs in the Abel Tasman park that are a 4hr walk.
And there would be bachs in the Marlborough sounds that are likely to be more isolated.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12191755
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January 21, 2019 10:59am
RW Capitalist

Capital Gains Tax Hits Older Tax Payers Hardest
The concept and measurement of “fairness” in taxation has been muddled by static views about
the apparent burden in a single year (without even considering the lock-in effect), rather than over
a lifetime. Young people begin their careers with valuable human capital, which depreciates in old
age and must be replaced by financial capital. The immediate burden of a capital gains tax falls
very heavily on the old. The U.S. capital gains tax accounts for a larger share of the tax burden
on elderly taxpayers earning less than $20,000 than it does for younger taxpayers earning more
than $100,000.
From Alan Reynolds report to the ASX
Chilling stuff
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January 21, 2019 11:37am
- MCos
  
  Things are different in America.
  I read the other day that maternity costs accounts for a quarter of all bankruptcies over there.
  The article was discussing reasons for the low reproductive rates of developed countries.
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:49am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Alan Reynold’s report was commissioned for the AUSTRALIAN stock Exchange (ASX) and reviewed the Australian CGT, performance, history, effectiveness and impact for the first 15 years.
    It is the Australian CGT model that Cullen is so enamored of.
    Scary stuff.
    Considering CGT will tax profits on shares in your Kiwi saver and National super accounts too.
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:55am
    - KevOB
      
      Wait & see. We will sharpen our teeth when Cullonious gives us something to chew on. Dog tucker in the making.
      
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      January 21, 2019 1:02pm
  - artemisia
    
    When Oxfam reported (last year? maybe 2017) on dramatic inequality, they omitted to mention that in the bottom most segment were many young Americans with degrees from Harvard, Yale, other ivy leagues. Because student loans.
    
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    January 21, 2019 11:59am
- Classic Liberal
  
  RWC: the big question for the next election is: will middle-aged and older women with savings/rental property see this, though they were last time twinkled into voting Taxinda?
  
  And will retirees understand that Winnie is no longer their friend?
  
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  January 21, 2019 12:02pm
RW Capitalist

High CGT Retards Entrepreneurship
New research from the Harvard Business School indicates that a high capital gains tax has a
powerful impact in discouraging entrepreneurship. Since venture capital partnership are subject
to the highest CGT, they too are adversely effected. Imposing the highest CGT rates on foreign
direct investment makes Australia extraordinarily uncompetitive in the global competition for risk
capital to finance new entrepreneurial ventures.
From Alan Reynolds report to the ASX
Chilling stuff
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January 21, 2019 11:40am
wreck1080

Front story on the herald this morning, that tauranga house prices are obscene and outstrip that of london.

This is nuts, because london has some places that sell for 10’s of millions.

Also, the tauranga market is not so much determined by tauranga incomes. I’m a classic example, I earned all my savings outside tauranga, but bought in tauranga. Plenty of friends in the same scenario .

There is spillage from people taking advantage of price differentials. House prices in decent auckland suburbs are pushing 1.5 to 2 million dollars. At the same time, they are selling in tauranga for 500 – 600k, so people cash up in auckland and buy in tauranga. Or, investors buy here using cash from capital gains profit.

The article does mention retirees, and there are plenty of holiday homes here at the Mount. Gareth morgan owns a 7 million dollar place here, but is not a permanent resident.

This is just such sloppy journalism, that fails to account for major factors in the local house prices.

In reality, the people I know who earned their money ‘in’ tauranga, do not live in flash housing.
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January 21, 2019 11:44am
- Paulus
  
  Came to Tauranga when I retired 20 years ago from Devonport, Auckland and have no regrets.
  Quite happy to see a slowdown on property sales as people say they avoid the costs – but this silly survey only tells the story it wants.
  There are in today’s Trade Me 550 houses with a sales suggestion of $550,000 and under – many new.
  As an one time analyst I can prove anything you want – just give me the data.
  
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  January 21, 2019 2:02pm
RW Capitalist

The highest CGT rates do not fall on foreign portfolio investment in public companies (defined as
owning less than 10% of public company), but they do fall on foreign direct investment in private
companies and other entities. This is an enormous disincentive to foreign direct investment,
including venture capital investment in new entrepreneurial firms.
From Alan Reynolds report to the ASX
Chilling stuff
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January 21, 2019 11:45am
Jack5

The Chancellor of Oxford University, Lord Patten, who was the last governor of Hong Kong, has warned of security risks when academics collaborate with China.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/oxford-scholars-warned-of-risks-to-security-from-china-link-ups-20190121-p50slk.html
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January 21, 2019 12:40pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  It seems every mainland Chinese person is a little slave to Xi Jing Ping. They are like ants.
  
  You’d think they would have learned from Mao.
  
  My ex-gf won’t have a bad word said about either of them, seeing she is a Communist Party Member representative.
  
  Maybe with Xi they can outdo the numbers of starved and murdered, though Mao did set the bar pretty high in that regard.
  
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  January 21, 2019 12:56pm
  - MCos
    
    The difference between China and America is that the latter has a Bill of Rights which is supposed to ensure the rights of the individual takes precedence of those of the State.
    China is the opposite.
    America is not a democracy, but a constitutional republic, which means an individual’s rights can’t be taken away by the majority, in theory.
    In China the state does what it likes to improve the situation for the majority otherwise their position is under threat.
    So, for most people the standard of living goes up and anyone who kicks up a fuss is frowned on.
    
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    January 21, 2019 1:41pm
Longknives

From the ‘Hollywood has lost the Plot’ files-

They are making a new Ghostbusters movie- And it will rightfully star Bill Murray and co..
And wow the Feminist ‘Comedian’ who starred in the all female version (which was an Epic flop) isn’t happy-

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/leslie-jones-slams-insulting-new-ghostbusters-movie-781951/

The best part is when she tries to blame Donald Trump! What a fucking loser..
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January 21, 2019 1:10pm
- Inandout
  
  Is she related to Michelle?
  
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  January 21, 2019 1:26pm
secondcumming

BREAKING……

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxYtMh9WkAEVoxw.jpg
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January 21, 2019 1:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  Broken I think…..
  
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  January 21, 2019 3:56pm
KeaRea

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/tasmanian-parents-will-need-to-optin-to-have-their-babys-gender-recorded-on-the-birth-certificate/news-story/c8070aa0fbc9ee948bbd48131f25a048

Tazmania requires ‘opt-in’ for parents to have the gender of their kid recorded. The opt-in will be temporary. Tazmania is a pilot for all of Australia when Labour wins the next election and Australia goes hard rainbow islam.
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January 21, 2019 1:45pm
KeaRea

https://www.christianpost.com/news/a-parents-worst-nightmare-son-given-illegal-sex-change-operation-school-system-claims-mother.html

Son given an illegal sex change operation at a Minnesota school. Minnesota now has a Somali Congresswoman (we think it’s a woman, who was in a marriage to her brother).

Okay – so in future, a birth certificate will not record gender, and schools will be entitled or required to provide kids sex changes with no official record of gender.
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January 21, 2019 1:47pm
KeaRea

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7767662/students-school-17-pupils-changing-gender-autistic/

17 kids at a school in the UK given puberty blockers. Most of these kids are ‘autistic’. Autism in the UK doesn’t necessarily mean on the spectrum. In the UK autism means questioning that the UK was always muslim, for example. The kids are groomed to get the change by other teachers and older students who were forced to get a sex change.
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January 21, 2019 1:50pm
KeaRea

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/doctor-ran-illegal-transgender-clinic-13681160

Illegal clinic gave puberty blockers and hormones to kids as young as 12 without parental consent and with state encouragement.
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January 21, 2019 1:52pm
KeaRea

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/synthetic-hormone-injections-for-transgender-children-worry-some-doctors-40583

The hormone blockers used for children are an extremely powerful anti-prostrate cancer drug. This is what the kids get from the schools in places like the UK and Canada and soon Australia. Hooray for equality!

These drugs fuck children up in myriad ways. But critics are accused of being like ‘anti-vaxxers’. So I guess it’s fine.
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January 21, 2019 1:55pm
KeaRea

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/nov/09/scotland-first-country-approve-lgbti-school-lessons

Scotland is going to make LGBTIQIDwhateverthefuck the basis of their entire curriculum. All of it. Every subject. Every class. Will be about grooming kids. No exemptions. No choices.

By the way – all the anti-bullying figures are complete horseshit. I guess that means free prostrate cancer drugs for all.
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January 21, 2019 1:57pm
KeaRea

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/uk-primary-school-introduces-new-nongendered-sex-education/news-story/91f1391fe8adcf2674698e40a6dd5268

Boys can have periods too’ being taught across UK schools to young boys.

Congratulations feminists. Now, boys have periods, so no one has to listen to women whining about them. You could do something about it, but you won’t, because feminism has nothing to do with womens rights.
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January 21, 2019 1:59pm
KeaRea

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/11/church-england-offer-baptism-style-services-transgender-people/

The Church of England is going to baptise transgenders with a special ceremony. Note that the baptism isn’t to welcome them into the Church. It’s to consecrate the transgendering.

Now, imputing the sacred to Transgenderism is almost hilariously Satanic. I won’t explain though. Because Tall Man doesn’t into reading. Because he’s so Tall. He just hangs curtains up and laughs like a jackass every-time someone mentions his height, ‘guffaw’.
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January 21, 2019 2:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  Jeez nutball, what did I do to deserve your undivided attention.
  
  I think you need a cuppa and lie down..preferably a long fucking lie down.
  
  Are you little obsessed because you’re a short arse like adolf the dwarf? Do you envy tall men because they get the chicks and you have to engage with gender confused.
  
  Is your sermonistic rant above and below this comment an indicator of concealed desires. Are you sure you’re not steffy girl in disguise?
  
  You’re in a safe place, let it all out… We need a good laugh.
  
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  January 21, 2019 3:37pm
  - KeaRea
    
    Oh it’s Tall Man. Just for a second everyone had forgotten about your retarded fishmongers’ wife happiness about your height.
    
    Because all tall males like us do is think about it. Gosh I’m so tall. Gosh when I look down over my shoulder look how tall that shadow is.
    
    Why don’t you go and hang a fucking lampshade on yourself, you shining beacon.
    
    The loud simple smiley one.
    
    ‘What’s your favourite colour?’ ‘I’m tall, lol’.
    
    Why don’t I send you a fucking mirror and a hat stand and you can stand adjacent and feel a jolly thrill.
    
    Fuck off, Tall Man. Yours sincerely, fellow Tall Man.
    
    Oh sorry, the posts must be still too long for the narrow length of your comprehension.
    
    Just kidding bro, it’s all good, I totally understand and will defer to your preferences.
    
    Pointing out the scale and advanced state of the LGST agenda to eradicate genuine natural human relations is a ‘sermon’.
    
    I really do, sincerely, as I said, hope that I serendipitously run you over Tall Man. The Tall men of the world who make everyone talk to them slowly and simply from birth til death.
    
    Fuck, it’s almost like not everyone gives a shit about your particular capacities you curtain hanger. Why don’t you put your car keys on the top shelf and take them on and off again Tall Man.
    
    Don’t pop your gormless Igor head up beyond the parapet again Norman.
    
    Sorry Monique – you were fine.
    
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    January 21, 2019 5:13pm
    - starboard
      
      Not sleeping well, Kea ?
      
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      January 21, 2019 5:27pm
    - Tall Man
      
      It’s still Tasmania you dimwit.
      
      I can’t help being a tall man but you should have the ability to not be a total pratt, if you ever elect to employ that ability.
      
      You are certainly working hard to make steffy girl look normal, how about you have that cup of tea and relax a bit.
      
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      January 21, 2019 6:48pm
KeaRea

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/new-law-in-australia-could-ban-using-wrong-pronouns-for-transgender-people-a4013401.html

Tazmania to criminalise using the wrong pro-nouns.

Tazmania is always the use-case test for Australia wide.
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January 21, 2019 2:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Tasmania FFS. Are you sure you’re not steffy girl in drag?
  
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  January 21, 2019 3:39pm
KeaRea

https://news.yahoo.com/new-transgender-law-australia-make-illegal-call-individuals-120627395.html

Further elaboration.

It will be illegal to use the words ‘he or she’.

Anyone over the age of 16 can get a sex change, by law, and it will be criminal to prevent it, in any way.

https://www.vibe.com/2017/03/hm-unisex-denim-line

H&M – gender neutral clothing line.
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January 21, 2019 2:11pm
KeaRea

https://www.haystack.tv/v/scrabble-adds-words-including-gender-neutral-pronoun-ze

Transgender words added to scrabble. He and she will be banned from scrabble.

https://juliabrownley.house.gov/dem-lawmaker-wants-federal-laws-rewritten-with-gender-neutral-terms/

Dem lawmaker wants to replace all Federal laws with gender neutral terms.

No more husband and wife. Just ‘spouse’ and ‘partner’.

But there’s no agenda.

Fuck you, you who said there is no slippery slope. I hope you drown in the landslide of the slippery slope.

The one thing that gives comfort is that in New Zealand we have Polynesians. Polynesians love their kids, even if they beat them up now and then. They also have a pleasing propensity to back principle with violence.

It would give me great joy were a Tongan kid to be given these drugs etc, and the father and uncles find the bureaucrats who did it, and smash their orbital ridge into a million tiny shards which lacerate the brain.

That is what needs to happen.

Gays need to start getting rid of the Trannies, or they can be treated as a monolith.
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January 21, 2019 2:22pm
KeaRea

There you go Tall Man. Lots of little turds for you to munch on
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January 21, 2019 2:23pm
- Tall Man
  
  What did I do to ring your bell?
  
  I studiously avoid getting into your lengthy and annoying diatribes.
  
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  January 21, 2019 3:32pm
KeaRea

Oh and by the way.

Everyone on here who said that young man who stood there while a professional agitator accosted him bonging a drum in his face did something wrong?

https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1087115979807748096

Be grateful you aren’t in the United States – or you’d be appearing on the botnet for service of various legal proceedings.

The left are not going to like their new rules. Hopefully these legal proceedings bankrupt enough they develop some compassion for white homeless.
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January 21, 2019 2:55pm
DigNap15

Lots of teenagers killed in police chases over the last few years.
Is it time to change our policies?
This is the latest campaign by Stuff (them)
I say yes.
Tighten up.
Chase more – don’t abandon the chase.
Ban any driver fleeing from the police from ever having a licensee again – ever.
Publish their names in the media, once a week fro the next 5 years. This is a person who put us all at risk, and maybe stole your car.
Make the penalty a minimum of one year in prison with hard labour, and put it on social media
If they damage a stolen car make them and their family repay the full cost of the vehicle to the owner and or insurance company.
Do this a few times, and maybe the practice of steeling cars and fleeing from the police will stop, or at least reduce dramatically,.
Keep winding up the penalties until the practice stops.
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January 21, 2019 3:07pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Over the top. But for sure there has to be harsh punishment to act as a deterrent. Borstal, rigid (and long-lasting) curfews, weekend incarceration, corporal punishment, village stocks (embarrassment!). Then again thicko teens who do this type of thing imagine themselves immortal and have almost no comprehension of consequences. What’s the point in destroying their ability to become useful adults?
  
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  January 21, 2019 3:18pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    How to stop a fleeing car.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exwntjj7BLo
    At one time he says “wonder what it would look like with a human sized target”
    I say
    “I wonder what a car engine block would look like if fired through the radiator”
    Immediate stop?
    
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    January 21, 2019 4:36pm
- howitis
  
  Pretty dumb suggestion i.e. to cease chases.
  The death throes of Fairfax’s ‘Stuffed’ are a sight to see.
  Not exactly helping its value for the upcoming sale…more like a fire sale.
  I agree with Dignap in that direction.
  Severe penalty, not a free for all.
  
  If cops are banned from the chase then EVERY time you hear a siren… never stop.
  The police can’t chase you!
  Therefore the next phase is: drink all you like.
  If the cops start their siren or there is a drink roadside test stop just keep driving.
  They can’t, by law, chase you!
  duh!
  Kiddie journos with their media studies worldliness!
  The ferals they support are smarter than them.
  
  Nek minute: the idiots who propose this will wonder why the road death rate will be well above 500 p.a. This will include the stoopid Septic Tank, Genter.
  The roads will be even more dangerous for cyclists!
  The proposal to stop chases is ludicrous.
  It nullifies law enforcement.
  
  >No licence or suspended licence- don’t stop.
  >Got an illegal firearm or drugs on board – don’t stop
  and so on..
  Motor Vehicles become an unenforceable crime scene.
  
  The roads will become a place of death and mayhem.
  The solution to this madness would be to get a Ford F250 or a Bedford/Isuzu truck to commute about town.
  https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/models/f250-xlt/
  Great for fossil fuel burning.
  These kiddies really don’t think it through.
  
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  January 21, 2019 4:51pm
  - Komata
    
    howitis
    
    You forgot one:
    
    Be ‘Indigenous’ and have:
    
    No Licence
    
    No Rego
    
    No WoF
    
    You CAN’T be stopped…
    
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    January 21, 2019 6:15pm
  - Tall Man
    
    My son, in the oil industry, thanks you for your efforts.
    
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    January 21, 2019 8:35pm
- Piniwi
  
  Unlikely DigNap15 that there will be any prospect of eve upholding the existing laws let alone any move to even harsher measures. However it seems from recent events the police have undertaken some damage control of their own to counter them becoming such an easy target. The frequency of feral run away’s with their play-station mentality seems to have prompted them to quickly evaluate the options of chase or trap. The latter showing some very encouraging results not to mention avoiding some substantial ongoing costs.
  
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  January 21, 2019 7:44pm
Komata

UC

And don’t forget that media (movies etc) glamorise the whole ‘car theft / car chase’ thing as well, without ever indicating that there are ‘Consequences’ and not every Grand Theft Auto etc. is successful.

Sadly, ‘gullible’ teenagers rarely have the smarts to know otherwise…
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January 21, 2019 4:28pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Consequences don’t enter the mind of a teenager until AFTER the event.
  
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  January 21, 2019 4:38pm
Southern Raider

Oh God Hugh is being interviewed on NewsTalkZB about property

He did call out Labour as doing a shit job though
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January 21, 2019 5:09pm
- Cobolt24
  
  He’s on One News too.
  
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  January 21, 2019 6:16pm
- DigNap15
  
  Whilst I agree with him that our house prices are far too high.
  
  Who is he to set the rate of affordability.
  Just because 50 years ago a house was three times annual income.
  He forgets that in those days houses
  Only had 2 power plugs
  No fences
  No lawns
  No carpet
  No curtain
  No double glazing
  No insulation
  etc etc
  Plus no scaffolding health and safety etc etc
  
  He keeps banging on about the cost of land
  But what about our high building costs per sq metre
  And our high cost of building materials (cartels)
  
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  January 21, 2019 6:22pm
  - nasska
    
    Our building costs are not all that bad at a national average of $2000/sq metre (2018). What kills it are land costs & the exorbitant fees charged by out of control councils.
    
    In the Wairarapa you could buy a serviced section for between $150/$180K tomorrow. To build the 1970s equivalent of a 1000 sq/ft “box” which used to be considered okay to rear a family in might add $200K to the deal. Say $400 all up…..max!
    
    But no one would live in it while adding paths, garage & fences with their own labour as money came available. It must be a McMansion or nothing at all.
    
    This is where apple & orange comparisons start to show discrepancies.
    
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    January 21, 2019 6:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      My son is looking to build in Oz at the moment.
      
      Average 4 bed double garage $1050 per m2 around 250 m2. $1550 for up market finishes, marble, flash appliances etc.
      
      $2500 is the quoted price from the architect for round 300m2 including his fees around the $30k mark. Economies of scale but also much lower priced building products, in some cases about 50% of our price.
      
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      January 21, 2019 6:58pm
      - nasska
        
        Maybe but Aus don’t have to factor in earthquake standards. I’ve no personal experience but I seem to remember that lightly reinforced concrete foundations, steel framing & brick construction are the norm.
        
        That’s not to say that we aren’t getting bored, punched & reamed by local building supply firms.
        
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        January 21, 2019 7:06pm
      - Tall Man
        
        nasska, I am not a builder but I was heavily involved with my son’s plans at the outset and looked at many building sites and the buildings.
        
        I did not detect any major differences, spans seemed similar as did structural standards. They do have earthquakes and also massive tropical cyclones so I think they may be similar or even exceed ours.
        
        In NZ I have seen many instances of price fixing and not at a beneficial level for the consumer.
        
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        January 21, 2019 8:29pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        NZ house builders work to Australian standards on a lot of stuff (like foundations) in complement to our own wooden framed building code NZ3604:2011
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:20pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    Dignap, to be fair, there are other places around the world where housing costs are cheap:
    
    Slovakia,
    France,
    Finland,
    Hungary,
    Netherlands,
    Slovenia,
    Lithuania,
    Korea,
    Greece,
    Spain,
    Italy,
    Poland.
    
    Are some around the level Hugh is talking about. We’ll never get back to the way it was in the 50s but, there is clear room for improvement so housing gets back to reasonable levels.
    
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    January 21, 2019 7:09pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’m not sure much of France is that “affordable”.
      
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      January 21, 2019 8:34pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        Fair enough but, I forgot to add Texas, houses are averaging $191,000 USD
        
        https://www.zillow.com/tx/home-values/
        
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        January 21, 2019 9:11pm
Niz

I hope DPF reviews that Oxfam report that has been in the media today.
Shit, this line that the rich pricks are screwing the poor wears thin after a while.
The reporting by the media gives me the shits as well. She will reporters start reminding us all that wealthy people aren’t a scourge that need to be taxed to death? Where would we be without them?
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January 21, 2019 5:29pm
- Southern Raider
  
  The report I read in the weekend talked about the massively growing middle class globally, but some how “charities” like Oxfam have to try and promote doom and gloom
  
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  January 21, 2019 6:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    A middle class that is doing poorly in the US and elsewhere,
    
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2018/10/16/the-middle-class-needs-a-tax-cut-trump-didnt-give-it-to-them/
    
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    January 21, 2019 6:19pm
    - Southern Raider
      
      Absolute idiot.
      
      I said about the globally growing middle class which is in Asia, India and Africa
      
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      January 21, 2019 6:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And your adored ardern the liar is doing her best to destroy our middle class here.
      
      Like you stefyy girl
      
      ardern is a liar.
      
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      January 21, 2019 6:53pm
      - KeaRea
        
        Ardern is indeed a liar. I agree with you fellow TallMan.
        
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        January 21, 2019 7:23pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Tall Man and KeaRea,
        
        Andern a liar unlike you both?
        
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        January 21, 2019 10:12pm
Monique Watson

I’m watching the Super Blood Wolf Lunar Eclipse. Just hit totality.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.space.com/43069-super-blood-wolf-moon-eclipse-begins.html
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January 21, 2019 5:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  Monique Watson, where from? Total Lunar eclipse cant be seen from NZ ,
  
  https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/lunar/2019-january-21
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    she’s not in NZ.
    Don’t you read her posts?
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, I see watching it online?
      
      Thanks!
      
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      January 21, 2019 10:38pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Seems there is life on an on-line asteroid, doing the loop the loop.
      
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      January 21, 2019 11:00pm
Wired-one

Stuff are reporting and have shown some aggressive texts from Trevor Mallard to WeatherWatch boss Phillip Duncan. Great timing for Mallards bullying campaign…They really are the most incompetent, inept government we have ever had.
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January 21, 2019 6:38pm
- graham
  
  Yes, noticed that.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110027939/trevor-mallards-turbulent-twitter-exchange-with-weatherwatch-boss
  
  WeatherWatch boss Philip Duncan has quit Twitter after what he says were inappropriate and “distressing” messages from Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard.
  
  So-o-o, how IS that review of bullying and harassment of staff going, Trev?
  
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  January 21, 2019 6:57pm
KeaRea

So the blood moon eclipse began today at 3.33pm. Not 6.66pm, 3.33pm.

Here is what Nicholas Sandmann had to say on twitter when Reza Aslan, the sand person who ate human flesh for CNN, said he had a punchable face.

“We’re saving content like this and will be seeing you in court. One bit of advice I can give to the radical/socialist left…. Fear my generation. We aren’t buying what you’re selling. We believe in the American Constitution and protecting OUR nation, not anyone else’s”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU3PeaZZ_tg

“Blood and Wine” – Blood Moon eclipse at 3.33pm. The number of the Trinity, as this figure holds the grail. The ambiguity between the Pagan and Christian. The demon in fearful suspense trying to control what cannot now be controlled.

Sandmann is an interesting name. It’s solidly based in Western and Northern European folk lore. In Hans Christian Andersen the Sandman is Ole-Luk-Oie. He places fine sand (rheum) in the eyes of young children to bring them beautiful dreams, and protects them with his umbrella from nightmares. That’s why we call sleepy eyes ‘rheumy’.

On the other hand, Ernst Hoffmann also wrote a tale called ‘Der Sandmann’ – Hoffmann was Tcahichovsky’s inspriation for the nutcracker ballet.

In Hoffmann’s tale, the Sandmann throws sand in the eyes of naughty children who won’t sleep. He then collects their eyes which fall out and takes them back to feed his children on the Moon.

In Afrikans this figure is called Klass Vaak.

The Sandmann ushers in the era of the blood-moon, perhaps unexpectedly.

‘White’s have no culture’. I think they do have a culture. And it’s been activated.

I almost thought that this guy Sandmann was just the antithesis to the dialectical thesis around David Hogg. It seems too strange a parallel. But I don’t think so. This event where he gets threatened with death and being put into a woodchipper by senior Liberals is too sobering and informative. It doesn’t serve the narrative.

http://archive.is/V5Q0r
‘Burn the school down’.

archive.fo/l2cym

“#MAGAkids go screaming, hats first, into the woodchipper” lol.

Kathy Griffin “Name these kids. NAME THEM. END THEM” lol.

Then there is this guy Kai Murros “The age of guilt is over. We will not apologize for our achivements. Our history cannot be used as a weapon against us. We are in debt to no-one. Our glorious past is a matter of pride and joy to us. Whatever we have done in the past only inspires us today for even greater deeds tomorrow. Those who feel that we have wronged them should be happy they are still alive”. Murros is just a kid – around Seamann’s age.

The Kabballah call this ‘synchronicity’. The partzufims are in play. They pushed too far. Too fast. This op hasn’t gone as it was supposed to – because one kid took a video of the whole event.

Lol the Sacklers after lying about Oxycontin and killing hundreds of thousands of these kids then went on to produce the drug which treats the addiction they themselves induced in their victims. They had a deliberate strategy to gas-light and blame their victims by calling them criminal drug-addicts. The Seamann kid read the report.

The kid was supposed to abase himself and engage in pre-emptive subjection and he didn’t. He simply stood and smiled. It’s a shame it had to be this way.

If you think is too long – lol just look away. It’s not for you.

The Sandmann is coming for the evil-eye. It will be put to sleep, or it will be fed to his children. And there is nothing that can stop it. This is the age of Jupiter. Better start praying Jesus comes sooner rather then later.

Lol just kidding. Or am I?
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January 21, 2019 7:48pm
- rangitoto
  
  “So the blood moon eclipse began today at 3.33pm. Not 6.66pm, 3.33pm.”
  
  Blood Moon is a stupid name for lunar eclipse. The time depends on which time zone you are in.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:04pm
  - KeaRea
    
    Who are you trying to reassure. Me, or yourself? UT is a bit time zone.
    
    I see ((National Geographic)) has it at ‘3.34’ for some reason.
    
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    January 22, 2019 12:28am
- KeaRea
  
  Genuinely hard to tell if this was all set-up to just further divide people in the US. Which is what I’m starting to think happened with the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings.
  
  Always always always both sides are incited and controlled and conflict created.
  
  I’m going to stick, just, with thinking that this was a genuine unorchestrated occurrence. Simply because the optics are so ambiguous, and the spectacle of leftists calling for 50 kids to be murdered would swing centrists not only polarise activists.
  
  But it is very clear that people are being incited against each other, by the real culprits, as always.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:32pm
  - KeaRea
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    
    Of course.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=BGpzGu9Yp6Y
    
    The ‘native American’ who bonged his Paki drum in front of our hero Nicholas Sandmann starred in a Skrillex video.
    
    A SKRILLEX VIDEO
    
    So this whole event was staged. The whole thing – staged. And it turns out he, of course, works for Soros.
    
    “But at the same time I knew that the Jew played these roles for a very strategic reason. The more prejudice could be focused in America upon the America, then the more the white gentiles prejudice would keep diverted off the Jew”
    
    – Malcolm X.
    
    We’re sorry based black man. It’s not your fault. You may be a Golem and you may have to be contained. But to the degree you emulate Malcolm X, whom was murdered by those people he named, the more you will be welcome in the future state.
    
    Lol this wasn’t me, but I remember that video. Classic. Well done Mossad/AIPAC.
    
    This video is doing the rounds amongst millions.
    
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    January 22, 2019 12:48am
    - KeaRea
      
      Lol it’s the Truman show.
      
      Muslims you still have to convert to Christianity, or leave Europe, or be pushed into the Ocean, but we understand your frustrations. You both worship Satan – the Kabaa cube is after all simply a piece of the Serpent of Saturn – but you don’t wear it on your Edomite cap. The Edomite Synagogue of Satan are the real deal.
      
      Sandmann I’m still convinced was genuine for the aforementioned reasons that his treatment swings the centre as well as polarising the activists.
      
      Who could possibly imagine how much gaslighting is occurring every single day?
      
      The Kavanaugh theatrics look quite compelling now.
      
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      January 22, 2019 12:55am
- stephieboy
  
  What a load of drivel.
  
  Blood Moon is not a scientific term, though in recent times it is being widely used to refer to a total lunar eclipse because a fully eclipsed Moon often takes on a reddish color—like in the image below, which was taken during the total lunar eclipse in September 2015.
  
  https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/blood-moon.html
  
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  January 21, 2019 10:14pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UPDATE … 2019 15th ANNUAL DFEMOGRAPHIA INTERNATIONAL HOUSING AFFORDABILITY SURVEY …

Lack of land, infrastructure blamed for rising Tauranga house prices | Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/01/lack-of-land-infrastructure-blamed-for-rising-tauranga-house-prices.html
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Government needs to act quickly to fix housing market … Hugh Pavletich discusses with Mike Yardley … NewstalkZB

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/larry-williams-drive/audio/hugh-pavletich-kiwibuild-needs-a-revamp-to-fix-the-housing-market/
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Demographia In The News

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=demographia&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLkfLgpf7fAhUOT30KHdHIChAQ_AUIDigB&biw=462&bih=410
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January 21, 2019 8:08pm
- Swifty
  
  What a sad little man.
  
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  January 21, 2019 8:17pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Hi Hugh, seen you a lot in the news today, I’ve heard about the 15th Demographia survey, the website isn’t showing it just yet.
  
  http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:30pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    2019
    
    15th ANNUAL DEMOGRAPHIA INTERNATIONAL HOUSING AFFORDABILITY SURVEY
    
    http://demographia.com/dhi.pdf
    ( reload / refresh if necessary )
    
    http://www.demographia.com
    
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    January 21, 2019 10:50pm
Hugh Pavletich

I expect it will take most of you at least 9 years to get over the 2017 election loss … sadly (since I’m a Tory too) … mainly because the Tories screwed up housing …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html

It was a great pity John Key let us all down out of the 2008 election …

John Key … Housing Reform 2007 … Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE

Was he aware Maggie Thatcher had a retail store called “Rent – A = Spine” ?

John Key has much to answer for.
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January 21, 2019 8:49pm
- Swifty
  
  You’re weird.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:03pm
DigNap15

Yes I’m sure the COL will stop and listen to Hugh Pavolovitich.

His ramblings are so convoluted.

Like all housing articles on the web, they contradict themselves.
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January 21, 2019 8:55pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Well, I’ve sure heard a lot today about it.
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:40pm
RF

Did anyone happen to watch the Project on 3 tonight.

The promo was Jethro explaining how busy the SLAG was overseas.

I refused to watch it as I was assisting our vet with our dogs blocked anal Glands.

Far more pleasurable than watching Jethro.
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January 21, 2019 9:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here it is: (I think)
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/01/clarke-gayford-gives-inside-look-at-jacinda-ardern-s-insanely-packed-davos-schedule.html
  
  I didn’t watch it tho’
  
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  January 21, 2019 9:59pm
simpleton1

Hundreds are following others that made it to Australia, but these ones think NZ is a better bet.

New Zealand since the country was considered more welcoming to refugees than Australia. While being investigated, Prabhu had reportedly quoted media reports about New Zealand increasing the annual refugee quota from 1,000 to 1,500 in July 2020.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/abandoned-bags-deepen-mystery-migrants-headed-new-zealand-5546699/

It seems that NZ baited the hook.

Certainly not a cruise I would look forward with about 200 passengers. Probably looking to refuel, Christmas Island or Australia.
Then the welcome mat of assistance will happen.

fishing boat named ‘Devamatha’ in cash while in Cherai. They further acquired around Rs 10 lakh worth of 12,000 litres of diesel and five 1,000-litre capacity water tanks.

Further, the group also purchased medicine supply for about a month. https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/12k-litres-of-diesel-5-water-tanks-medicines-for-a-month-mystery-of-50-vanishing-from-kerala-coast-baffles/347809

The Indian authorities may capture these economic migrants, but they may have a bit of a head start.
Will the Australian navy re-provision and refuel them?
Will the Captain’s call be for the NZ navy to assist and shepherd them across the Tasman?
Well we have signed the UN pact, so all our NGO’s and bureaucracies will be cheering this on.
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January 21, 2019 11:21pm
- simpleton1
  
  I doubt it is direct to NZ, but now with recognized UN migrant pact, it will prove interesting how this will work out.
  Particularly as Australia have said no, and NZ has said yes.
  So Australia could well be with in its rights to whistle up the Indian navy to assist, or will the NZ navy be called?
  Who will call the Australian navy heartless if they call up the Indian navy?
  Or will it be much easier to whistle up NZ navy etc.?
  
  “They were mostly families, with children in the age group of 6 months to 8 years. “Five women were pregnant. One woman had a baby near a hospital near Kochi,” sources added. https://worldnewsnetwork.co.in/2019/01/15/50-missing-from-kerala-smuggled-to-australian-islands-times-of-india/
  
  The heart strings of ‘feelz’ will probably make an urgency of “Lets do this” and not stress out the pregnant, the babies, woman and children.
  The international “snakes” will be looking to the success, and then “Lets do this” to setting up some more boats and charging even more for those “travellers”.
  
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  January 21, 2019 11:50pm
- simpleton1
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyWHPrCb3Sw
  More visuals of Dayamatha Boat | Munambam human trafficking
  1min 29sec.
  It is all spoken in a native Indian language.
  The scene is of the boat having completed a refit.
  It seems that it may have been refitted, but it does not say when.
  Looks to be approximately 40 maybe 50 feet in length and seems reasonably substantial, though I would like it to be ‘wof’ by the NZ maritime division, if I was to sail on it.
  Others may know more, or can interpret what is spoken.
  ———-
  Well they are far at sea now.
  
  “We made an aerial attempt to search for the missing boat. Our efforts are still in progress. But, since the navy and coast guard received the information about this incident late, its just an attempt—a futile attempt.”
  
  While conflicting media reports have said that the group was on its way to Australia, New Zealand and the Christmas Islands, DySP Raveendranath said it is currently impossible to know the intended destination of those in the boats. https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/explainer-human-trafficking-racket-kochi-coast-has-kerala-police-worried-95365
  
  Seems like a number are on the way. So is it NZ or bust.
  
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  January 22, 2019 12:15am
- simpleton1
  
  On the high seas now.
  
  Kerala police received information that the boat carrying 230 people suspected of human trafficking has moved to Indonesian coast. It is learned that the boat which sailed to New Zealand changed its destination due to shortage of food and fuel. ……
  crossed India’s maritime boundary line, said reports. ……
  Police assume that the boat is moving close to Indonesian coast as it is difficult to sail 47 days of journey [to NZ] without halting the boat [for re-provisioning]. ……
  Read more at: https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/crime-beat/human-trafficking-boat-shifts-destination-to-indonesia-due-to-fuel-food-shortage-kerala-1.3500971
  
  The numbers of migrants seem to vary from a minimum of about 40, sometimes 80 and other times over 200.
  It is a sturdy substantial boat, but the higher the number of people on it, would make it difficult with rations, water and cooking.
  Diesel would definitely need a top up and to get with in striking distance of NZ, and if able to see when a good high comes onto the the Tasman Sea.
  Though I think that some of our local NGO’s and “welcomers” maybe out to meet them and aid them.
  
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  January 22, 2019 1:06am
- simpleton1
  
  From what I can glean, and understand the boat cost 1.5 crores, which I figure is about US 220,000 dollars.
  Then it is figured to be about 2 years old.
  So it seems to be a sturdy enough boat, but simply over crowded even if only 40 or 80 people on, but if it is as in some reports with 230, then a desperation will be always be nigh.
  
  Why does Jacinda & Winston encourage this, and could most likely end up with blood on their hands.
  
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  January 22, 2019 1:38am
  - simpleton1
    
    I have gleaned that the migrants paid close to NZ$ 5000 dollars per person.
    With a sum of money like that, it seems that the “snakes” are well resourced if the boat is running with 200 people.
    Now will the snakes honour and have set ups for refueling and re-provisioning, or just take the money, as one of the head snakes has a swiss bank account.
    How convenient Jacinda. Now that you will be in Davos, can you have that swiss bank account cleaned out, or at least that account stopped. 🙂 or are you ok with people smugglers? and only want to regularize them? 🙂
    
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