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Steve Todd

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Wow, this is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV21b9CzT4Q. It was broadcast yesterday afternoon (our time), and firmly puts the construction of the Moron-in-Chief’s wet dream, aka the great, big, beautiful wall, in perspective.

The presenter, David Pakman, brings to our attention engineering reports that reveal the wall “would be an expensive and ineffective disaster.” Crucial viewing.
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January 18, 2019 8:00am
- GazzaW
  
  Crucial viewing for who Steve?
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:10am
  - Steve Todd
    
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    For those interested in the shutdown/US politics in general.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:16am
    - JIV
      
      how come the current shutdown is entirely Trump’s fault, but when there was a shutdown during the Obama era it was entirely the Republican’s fault?
      
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      January 18, 2019 8:18am
      - Colville
        
        Because its different when the Lefties do it!
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:24am
      - mikenmildagain
        
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        Um, maybe it’s because this time the president solely refused to approve congress’s appropriations deal and publicly took credit for the shutdown?
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:17am
      - Cobolt24
        
        Trump has a mandate for his wall too!
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:19am
      - MCos
        
        On Dec 11 Trump said “I am proud to shut down the government for border security. I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down.”
        
        I don’t think there’s any doubt he’s responsible. The question is, are these the right tactics to use to get your way?
        I don’t even know what his bloody wall means anymore. Is it the most effective form of security in this particular situation?
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:32am
      - Ed Snack
        
        MCos, if we want to hhave a rational discussion regarding the wall (not something often seen), I would say that the evidence we have is that yes, a Wall makes a very real difference to the ability of the USA to control the flow of goods and people across its Southern border.
        
        It does not seem to be disputed that the results for sites where walls were established show that there is a reduction in illegal crossings of around 90-95%. That makes it much easier to control the remaining flow as well. This may be site related, so walls make more of a difference in some places rather than in others, but that is factored into the Wall proposal. In places where for example the Rio Grande river is a significant barrier, there won’t be a wall as such.
        
        So if a wall can make a real difference (and the Trump proposal is not just a wall, it is a wall plus additional measures including electronic monitoring, drones, extra patrols, etc) the other question is whether border security is necessary at all. If your position is that there should be no borders then obviously a wall is, to you, unnecessary.
        
        I would claim that border security is in fact a real requirement, to control illegal immigration (I believe that countries as we understand them have a right to decide who can and cannot enter and settle in their territories) and to control to the extent needed the flow of goods especially those like illegal drugs.
        
        So I am in favour (not that it matters) of a Wall as I believe that the evidence we have strongly supports that a wall is an effective part of a secure border strategy. And I believe that a secure border is an integral part of most countries sovereignty. A country or countries can decide that a secure border is not needed, that’s up to them, but they (the voters) get to decide that.
        
        Why do the Democrats so vigorously oppose a wall ? I can think of two major reasons – the “Orange Man Bad” syndrome – opposing everything Trump does regardless of it’s effect on the country; and the “we want all the voters we can get” syndrome on the grounds that illegal immigrants vote overwhelmingly in favour of those who promise them free money and services – the Democrats. I don’t think they honestly oppose it because it won’t work and also I don’t think they are prepared to announce that they actually favour open borders. What they want is to have a claim to support the popular notion of a secure border while actually having a porous one.
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:53am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Ed Snack @ 11:53AM
        
        Illegal immigrants can’t, and don’t, vote in US federal elections. See my reply to Durden, here (just down from the top of the page): https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/01/general_debate_12_january_2019.html#comments.
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:24pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @MCos @ 10:32AM
        
        “I don’t think there’s any doubt he’s responsible. The question is, are these the right tactics to use to get your way?”
        
        Answer: No.
        
        Article 1, Section 7, Clause 1 of the US Constitution states: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
        
        Therefore, by partially shutting down the government, insisting he gets $5.7B for his wall, he is acting unconstitutionally – an impeachable offence.
        
        Unfortunately, the coward McConnell won’t put the Bills passed in the House last Friday to a vote in the Senate, because he knows they will pass, but that Trump won’t then sign them into law. He doesn’t then want to take the risk that, on being returned to the HoR, they will pass that House with the necessary two-thirds vote, because they would then go to the Senate and, given the number of Republican senators up for re-election in 2020 (and with the nation in chaos), would likely pass by the necessary two-thirds vote there, as well – in effect, meaning McConnell had lost control of the Senate – thereby overriding the presidential vetoes.
        
        Who knows how all this is going to play out, but, given Nancy Pelosi’s icy determination to ensure that 2019 is going to be the worst year of Trump’s life, I’m betting Trump will crumble first.
        
        If it’s still going on when Robert Mueller releases his report, one of the conclusions of which could well be that Trump is a Russian asset, impeachment proceedings will gain momentum. By then, Trump’s mental state will likely be such that Pence will seek to invoke Amendment 25(4), to have Trump removed from office.
        
        Whatever happens, it seems increasingly unlikely that Trump will contest the 2020 presidential election.
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:31pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        In my view Trump has been dishonest enough and screwed over enough people in his life to be behind bars for a long time. But it’s very unlikely that he’ll be impeached. US politics just doesn’t work like that. Eg the Clinton’s are still walking free.
        
        I think Trump will give up on wall before Dems do as the public views him as the one responsible for the shutdown, and eventually the consequences of that will piss off too many people for him to ignore.
        
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        January 18, 2019 4:17pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Gazzw, even more crucial viewing for Steve and all others and BREAKING NEWS…..
    
    Under an OIA…Matthew Hooton has received the text messages from Hardcore and there is more, there will be an email to come….
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/karel-sroubek-richie-hardcores-text-to-jacinda-ardern-revealed/ar-BBSoPRn?ocid=spartandhp#image=1
    
    Princess better get on her plane to Europe fast…..!
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:33pm
- Inandout
  
  Pakman Pat…who the fuck is he?
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:19am
  - KiWombat
    
    He’s Postman Pat’s 2nd cousin
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:06am
    - sooty
      
      Indian cousin.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:45am
- softail 1450
  
  Steve Sodd, David Pakman. LOL…..The jewish Argentinean Trump hating gay liberal ,FFS you’d be better off posting a link to what Hillary Clinton thinks about Trump you moron.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:49am
  - Steve Todd
    
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    Aw, come on, Softie. A bit harsh.
    
    It doesn’t matter who Pakman is. He’s just the messenger. What matters is what the engineering reports say.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:04am
    - igm
      
      Are you Ztev in drag you useless POS?
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:09am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Heh, heh. No, I’m afraid not, igm (whoever you are). I comment under my real name.
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:16am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No Jews huh, softail?
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:18am
    - softail 1450
      
      MMA ,if he’d been a Maori or white trash i still would have mentioned his lineage MMA …
      
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      January 18, 2019 2:49pm
- Steve Todd
  
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  Yes! I’m stoked. Not only was I first in this morning, at my very first attempt – sorry stigie – but I have also achieved “hidden” status. Happy days.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:11am
- Scott
  
  Yes lefties are now telling us “walls don’t work”. Well if this is right we should pass it on. Those rich democrats should be told. Obama for example may or may not have a wall around his house? Recent reporting on YouTube shows a reporter trying to get near his house but couldn’t get to within 500 feet of it due to armed security officers and barriers across the road. George Soros has a 9 foot wall all around his house. Rich people often live in gated communities with one entrance only, security guards and a wall surrounding the entire property.
  
  Also I have yet to see a secure prison without a wall around it to stop people getting out.
  
  The thing is walls do work. That’s why the democrats don’t want a wall because they want a constant inflow of thousands of migrants to change the composition of the American electorate. Democrats haven’t won the white vote since 1964. They need Hispanics – millions of them!
  
  Just build the wall. In the context of a trillion dollar economy $40 billion is lunch money. It will stop illegal immigration, the flow of drugs and terrorists coming across the southern border. The president of the United States ran on it. The congress should deliver on it and vote the money now.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    The president also said that Mexico would pay for it, so why is he now having a tantrum wiating for the US taxpayer to pay for it?
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:19am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Walls don’t protect Obama. Men with guns do. The wall is just there to slow down intruders enough so the men with guns get to them in time.
    
    A wall between the US and Mexico will also need to be patrolled by men with guns, otherwise anyone with a ladder or shovel can get in. But it’s different from the Obama situation because there is less need to slow down the intruders. They’d be better off spending the money on more men with guns or patrolling with drones than on a wall.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:07am
    - softail 1450
      
      Nigel , gotta agree with you there ,or a “beautiful” big 300 metre wide mine field,,,LOL.
      
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      January 18, 2019 2:52pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Okay, so let me get this right, Softie. A “jewish Argentinean Trump hating gay liberal” basically says the wall would be ineffective; Stevie gets a nasty serve.
        
        Nigel basically says the same thing, and you laughingly agree with him!
        
        Despite your reply to mma @ 2:49PM, methinks you should examine your prejudices, pal. They’re certainly in need of it.
        
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        January 18, 2019 4:54pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Democratically elected president, doing what he promised in his campaign. Not like Jacinda and Winston who both tried to emulate Trumps success by also campaigning on reducing immigration and putting NZers first, for government handouts and services, when nothing could be further from the truth. #UnMigrationPact
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Democratically elected congress – proposing funding to the president, who declined the deal.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:43am
    - freethinker
      
      But requiring the Senate and Presidents agreement -democracy in action unlike O Bummers years of inaction.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:49am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        When I wrote congress – that means the House and Senate.In fact, the trigger for the shutdown was Trump’s refusal to accepting the cotinuing resolution passed by the Senate.
        Speaking of years of inaction – didn’t Trump have two years of a Republican controlled congree to get funding for his wall?
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:59am
    - Surely Knott
      
      No problem. That’s the US democratic process in action. It’s called negotiation. Much more transparent than the NZ situation where a government is formed by a secret agreement kept in a safe somewhere. Was the shane jones fund part of that agreement., was the migration pact part of the agreement. Who knows what legislation or funding was promised to form a government.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:57am
  - MCos
    
    So the gist of your comment is that whoever wins an election should be free, indeed obligated, to carry out whatever promises they made to secure the votes, without obstruction.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:40am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Trump is not carrying his promise out without obstruction. There is a robust process of negotiation and media attention happening, as their should be.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:30am
      - sooty
        
        Tell that to JacinDUH!
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:47am
stigie

Bugger im not first !~
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January 18, 2019 8:00am
Jack5

The immigration mess worsens. Not only does the inflood continue while GDP per capita threatens to begin a dive, but the political backtracking continues. Now it’s about parents of new immigrants – parents who will add pressure on the shortage of housing, and pressure on the overworked health system.

Meanwhile, what world does National’s immigration spokesman, Woodhouse live in… He’s been needling the Government to re-open the parent-visa category. About 6000 parents are waiting to come in.

Our hospitals and social services are already under pressure.

Here’s a chance for Judas Peters partly to redeem his reputation of being the man who was going to reduce immigration. Ho, ho …

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12192066
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January 18, 2019 8:04am
- Paulus
  
  It looks as though quietly later this year that the Immigration Visa allowances will be opened again to allow relatives in. Shut down in 2017.
  Remember Zauoi is reported (not denied) to have brought in 18 “family” members.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:14am
  - burt
    
    18 family members – so 9 couples all married to their cousins?
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:08pm
- Viking2
  
  Woodhouse is just about the worst of the Nats pollies. Fucking hopeless and clearly expecting funding to come from his feeble attempt to piss off Nationals electors. Simon needs to drain the bullrushes of stupid areses like woodhouse.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:31am
  - Simon
    
    “Woodhouse is just about the worst of the Nats pollies”
    
    No coincidence he is shadow immigration. National are hot for third worlders moving here. Helps with the low wage economy.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:50am
    - Viking2
      
      How?
      Not if you are following the law.
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:56am
  - igm
    
    Woodhouse must be related to Mapp . . . two of a kind.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:11am
- Scott
  
  Unfortunately in NZ we have the same dynamic as in the USA. In America the democrats want lots of legal and illegal immigration for the votes. Over 80% of immigrants vote democrat. The Republicans want the immigration because their donors want the cheap labour, the maids and the gardeners.
  
  In NZ both Labour and national appear to want thousands of immigrants each year despite the electorate voting for less immigration. Again national wants the cheap labour and the growth to our GDP with thousands of new arrivals each year. Labour wants the global diversity and the votes.
  
  Meanwhile Auckland is full and house prices are now out of the reach of the ordinary NZer. Racial tension is also a concern.
  
  We need a party that cares about the ordinary New Zealander and the NZ way of life. And stops trying to replace us with thousands of foreigners.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:22am
  - tf78
    
    Why do people keep going on about National and their voters wanting ‘cheap’ labour – all they want is workers as none of the locals are willing or able.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:45am
    - Cobolt24
      
      You’ve got a point to an extent but, despite the thousands that are flooding into the country MONTHLY, we’ve still got shortages in the regions for work.
      
      I am pro migration but, we’re bringing in far too many and of that too many, most are of low quality.
      I the net inflow should be around a third of what it is currently.
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:34am
  - Viking2
    
    The house prices are the result of the RMA and both lots of turds are responsible for that lot of bullshit.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:57am
- Surely Knott
  
  And on the issue of Immigrants and parents – How did Sroubeks mum get entry into NZ. When she was also named in the court documents as involved in sending packages.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:24am
  - igm
    
    Ask Jethro, he and his current haridan seem to be well acquainted. Maybe a godparent for the illegitimate sprog soon to be named!
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:34am
    - Paulus
      
      Surly Princess Diana Ardern will not have her baby Christened.
      That would be against all her Communist beliefs – but may be a woman’s magazine photoshoot.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:07am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Aren’t naming ceremonies the thing now days?
        A christening for the non-religious.
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:08pm
- Southern Raider
  
  My current neighbour was brought over by her adult children to look after the grandkids and moved into their house with them.
  
  As soon as kiwi passports came through they all left for Brisbane and left the mother behind
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:59am
Jack5

What those pushing for legalisation of cannabis – the Marijuana Mob – aren’t telling us about partaking …

What Otago University health researchers – who, incidentally don’t oppose legalisation of the drug – say New Zealanders aren’t being told about marijuana:

“Data [from an NZ study] showed cannabis use was associated with educational delay, welfare dependence, increased risks of psychotic symptoms, major depression, increased risks of motor vehicle accidents, increased risks of tobacco use, increased risks of other illicit drug use, and respiratory impairment.

Who cares, the NZ health system can cope, and so can NZ taxpayers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/109979248/nzmj-editorial-urges-caution-in-changing-cannabis-laws-warns-risks-being-downplayed
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January 18, 2019 8:05am
- Alladin
  
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  Wow. Real rocket scientist here Jerk5.
  
  Are you stoned or just a butt hole?
  
  Why are you so gormless that you don’t know the most basic rule of LIFE:
  
  “Everything is bad for you in some way. Then you die.”
  
  Tsss. Asshole.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:09am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t panic, Alladin. Just keep smokin’ and enjoy it. Your genes mightn’t include the schizophrenia trigger, and I think your irrational anger genes have already been well and truly triggered any way.
    
    I’m just passing the information on. I would probably consider voting in favour of legalisation.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:12am
    - Paulus
      
      You can drive smoking a Cigarette – presumably you will be able to whilst smoking Cannabis ?
      
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      January 18, 2019 8:28am
      - Jack5
        
        Why hasn’t someone come up with a device to accurately, quickly, and cheaply assess marijuana levels?
        
        First, for use in traffic safety.
        
        Second for use in managing employees with jobs that require people to be sober enough to operate safely. Present marijuana tests apparently (or reportedly) discriminate by revealing levels of smoking weed a week or more ago.
        
        As well Government-financed advertising is bombarding people about the dangers of drinking and driving. This would need to be extended to smoking and driving.
        
        People like the poster Alladin (who has hair-trigger anger responses) may find they don’t enjoy their weed as much if it is legalised and they are bombarded with health and safety messages.
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:39am
      - Piniwi
        
        Or Paulus let the baby steer the car on the nice smooth, straight motorway while you roll one. As yet there is no ready rolled joints to be had so the first challenge for new users is to figure out how to get it rolled together. Alternatively baby will most likely have a much steadier hand than the dope added driver so will be up-skilled for an early start. Raising the obvious question of the minimum age for them to start smoking dope?
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:15pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Alladin: commentaters on Kiwiblog generally have little good to say about the WO site but the one thing it does have going for it is that inane personal attacks suck as your ‘asshole’ would never get through moderation and you would likely be banned. I approve of that policy.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:52am
- Justitia
  
  Yes, cannabis’ role in the onset of schizophrenia in younger users is well documented. Legalisation is a sure-fire way to increase youth suicide, and the road toll while you’re at it.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:15am
  - Simon
    
    Yep and you can bet that the big business behind legalization push will market the mental illness that is cannabis to teens.
    
    All the money the greedy stupid State expect to make from taxation of cannabis will be have to be poured into mental health.
    
    The clowns in Wellington aint up to the task of regulating cannabis use.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:42am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Justitia this issue will be like so many others left to the community to “handle”. They have failed to understand the road safety dangers created with so many Smart devices being used by dumb drivers and passenger distractions. The 10 road toll high will look less significant as it too fades into history with a more pronounced rise.
    Much of NZ both urban and rural is suffering from a serious failure to address the freedom camping problems as the buck was passed so quickly. Expect this to become more appealing to yet another lower class of tourist as dope is liberalized. With free accident and health care thrown in.
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:43pm
- SGA
  
  That’s a hard one to assess, Jack5. The Stuff report says that it controls for demographics and “contextual factors” (whatever that may mean), but an “association” is tricky to assess. For example, are people heading down the road to depression, say, more likely to get be getting more out of marijuana than others? Depression and alcohol, for example, seem to have a chicken and egg relationship that way, from memory.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:21am
  - Paulus
    
    Who care what Stuff says -they will be closed down by mid years as nobody will want them at any price
    They are a liability not an asset.
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:10am
- cmm
  
  “Data [from an NZ study] showed cannabis use was associated with educational delay, welfare dependence, increased risks of psychotic symptoms, major depression, increased risks of motor vehicle accidents, increased risks of tobacco use, increased risks of other illicit drug use, and respiratory impairment”
  
  Playing the Devil’s advocate here: extrapolating the use of a substance when it is illegal is broken.
  
  It is like poverdee. Poverdee does not cause bad outcomes. Poverdee is a bad outcome caused by people making poor choices. That “poor choice” trait leads to all the poor outcomes including poverdee and others.
  
  People who use dope are doing so against the law. They will thus be high risk takers and people who are less concerned with consequences and more keen on getting immediate kicks.
  
  Therefore they will also be more likely to be in accidents, less keen to do their homework, more likely to party and do stupid stuff. They will be more likely to spend without budgeting and get into debt, eat crap food, do dumb shit in general, etc etc etc.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:57am
  - howzit
    
    I think most of the dope smokers I knew at school must be superhuman then as they are all highly successful mentally stable well educated people.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:03am
    - cmm
      
      My comment was intended as a general observation of people in society as a whole.
      
      The people you associated with at school/uni/in life are likely not representative of the typical member of society.
      
      The worst drug users I knew at university were all medical students. All of them passed and are highly successful. Ironically, the heaviest drug user I knew at uni is now a member of a medical disciplinary panel.
      
      Most people only become drug statistics if they have problems. The high functioning drug users don’t get caught up in the stats.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:02am
    - oldgolfer
      
      I can think of plenty of long-time dope smokers who are anything but successful, mentally stable people.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:45am
      - Piniwi
        
        Right oldgolfer some of us are blessed with an opportunity to see and learn from watching friends or family member/s who are effected by long term drug use. Over the years we continue to be there for them as they travel along a rut rather than pass through one. However no matter how long the list of deficiencies in their life grows they still seem to have a steady supply of weed. The lesson we do gain however when we navigate our own ruts is that dope is not the answer.
        
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        January 18, 2019 2:11pm
      - howzit
        
        One needs to question is it the dope or are they just destined to be dopes
        
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        January 18, 2019 2:24pm
    - howzit
      
      I do agree that there should be an age limit though, just saying it’s more the person rather than the substance they inhale that are the issue. I know plenty of people who are anti pot and yet they are complete waste of space.
      
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      January 18, 2019 2:32pm
- brett68
  
  Unemployment will be around 50% in a decade or so, with a high likelihood that a large chunk of the population will never work a day in their lives.
  
  Until that transition finishes and stabilizes, getting blazed all day might be what’s required to keep society from falling apart?
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:06am
- softail 1450
  
  Jack5 ,absolutely ,I would support decriminalisation of dope but anybody that thinks it wont harm young people has been smoking it for far to long (Alladin).
  Its also a gateway drug that can lead to experimenting with more dangerous drugs that will turn your life into a never ending catastrophe, this I’ve seen in close friends that never stopped experimenting with the “harmless drug” that is marijuana .
  They are mostly on the bennie and driving around in old heaps of shit cars with no wof or rego,
  all have many children that are destined to follow their parents example and some already have.
  Selling dope seems to be their accepted way of making a few extra bucks to support their fucked up existence.
  One was an extremely qualified welder that was working on oil installations worldwide making mega dollars , came home for a months r&r, met a stoner ,married her ,has 6 kids and nothing else.
  He has told me many times over the last 35 years that he wishes he’d never taken up the dope and his grown children dabbling with the P has caused him and his wife great heartache recently, seriously ,what did they expect ?
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:16am
harvey wilson

So twitter have taken the side of a pedophile and are deleting tweets critical of the freak

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MXXbK3EtsA0

The complete background him

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jonathan-yaniv-jessica-yaniv-trustednerd-trustednerd-com-jy-knows-it-jy-british-columbia.49790/
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January 18, 2019 8:07am
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We need to try to have a rational and sober analysis as to who is responsible for the US government shutdown.. Of course let’s blame the Dems Yet this gets to the nub of things. A right-wing minority . None other than Rush Limbaugh and that “wailing banshee”, Ann Coulter

Trump is staking his presidency on the shutdown and his wall

As the shutdown’s toll becomes clearer, the president aims to keep his pledge – but Democrats have reason to resist

” ..When, last month, the Republican-controlled Senate approved a stopgap measure to keep the government open, he was poised to sign it until rightwing talking heads complained that he was capitulating. ,

.Democrats’ victory in the House in the midterms election means the dream has probably slipped away, but Trump cannot afford to admit it. When, last month, the Republican-controlled Senate approved a stopgap measure to keep the government open, he was poised to sign it until rightwing talking heads complained that he was capitulating.
In that sense, it is not a Trump shutdown or Pelosi shutdown. It is a Rush Limbaugh shutdown, an Ann Coulter shutdown. Rightwing minority rule is now holding the country to ransom.>..”

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/04/shutdown-bor der-wall-trump-pelosi-analysis

Discuss ( if that is ever possible from our own wailing banshees “)
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January 18, 2019 8:07am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Why would anyone want to “discuss” anything with you Stephie, when your command is followed by abuse?
  
  A little politeness goes a long way, so have a nice day, and thanks but no thanks for the invitation to engage 😀
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:12am
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    KS, innocuous compared to the torrent of vile abuse I receive that appears to be received with your silent approval!
    
    I reeat the salient point,
    
    .Democrats’ victory in the House in the midterms election means the dream has probably slipped away, but Trump cannot afford to admit it. When, last month, the Republican-controlled Senate approved a stopgap measure to keep the government open, he was poised to sign it until rightwing talking heads complained that he was capitulating.
    In that sense, it is not a Trump shutdown or Pelosi shutdown. It is a Rush Limbaugh shutdown, an Ann Coulter shutdown. Rightwing minority rule is now holding the country to ransom.”
    
    Debate!
    
    ..
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:55am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      “KS, innocuous compared to the torrent of vile abuse I receive that appears to be received with your silent approval!”
      
      We’ve discussed this before, galah.
      I think you might be a slow learner.
      
      Don’t lead with your chin.
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:10am
    - pentwig
      
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      “KS, innocuous compared to the torrent of vile abuse I receive that appears to be received with your silent approval!”
      but,but you are a self confessed pervert ogling young girls and even worse, proud to describe them
      sick, sick thing
      ugh
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:51am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I don’t approve of abuse Stephie, as you imply, and no, as much as possible, do I indulge in it.
      
      You complain about the “torrent of vile abuse” you receive. Has it ever occurred to you that calling people “wailing banshees” is not the best way to start a concersation?
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:54am
      - stephieboy
        
        I’ve never ever seen you criticise similar and worse abusive comments from other posters.
        
        Why?
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:48pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Are you 7?
        
        KS is not your mother.
        You have to fight your own battles.
        Especially the ones you start.
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:10pm
    - Swifty
      
      Stiffy will dish it out daily and by the bucketful but he can’t take it.
      
      What a sniveling hypocrite.
      
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      January 18, 2019 1:13pm
- harvey wilson
  
  Didn’t read, downvoted
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:12am
  - GazzaW
    
    …….and reported. I don’t know how other KBers feel but I’m fed up with the constant barrage of daily amateurish and juvenile scribblings posted by the Labour Party trolling machine under the stephieboy nom de plume.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:42am
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    Sums up the closing of the alt-right mind on KB
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:54am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Sb, What is an “alt-right mind”? ?
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:00am
      - stephieboy
        
        Get your hand mirror from your handbag and have a good hard long stare
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:50pm
      - Swifty
        
        Don’t worry waikatogirl – anyone he can’t beat in an argument he labels ‘alt-right’ or ‘Trumptard’.
        
        He’s an old geezer but he acts like a baby.
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:16pm
  - tf78
    
    I do neither – just ignore.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:53am
- Mobile Michael
  
  If you want to debate an issue, starting by using insults (“wailing banshees”) shows that you are not on a firm ground to start with.
  
  The checks and balances of the US constitution mean the Democrats in Congress knew Trump would veto their Bills that defund the border fence, and that they don’t have the numbers to override the veto. But they did it anyway, instead of approaching the White House and trying to cut a deal that got what they wanted in return for keeping Trump’s pet project. They’re playing politics over a reasonably minor budget line (in the grand scheme of things.)
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:14am
  - KevOB
    
    The line is not minor: the Dems have simply retired from government. Pelosi has announced her determination not to co-operate on budgetary matters. A presidential mandate should be respected: supply cannot be arbitrary. That was tried in Australia and the Gov. Gen. dissolved both Houses. The Dems expose themselves to future retaliation.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:40am
    - Komata
      
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      I don’t know whether you have noticed, but this ‘wall’ refusal is being driven entirely by Nancy Pelosi. The President has made several attempts to find middle ground, but every time Mrs Pelosi has rejected the approach, to the extent that it seems to have become ‘personal’ on her part.
      Chuck Schumer would seem to be reasonably amenable to discussion and ‘compromise’ to everyone’s benefit, but not Pelosi; she flatly refuses to discuss anything and, as we have seen recently in respect of the ‘security’ issue about the SOTUA will tell quite happily tell lies to get her own way; anything to stop the President, or at minimum, inconvenience him as much as she can.
      It’s difficult to know why she alone is following this line, as it is doing her no good at all. Perhaps it’s a ‘power’ thing, to prove that (as ‘Speaker’) she is more powerful than the President, a viewpoint she has openly stated recently, but the extreme stance she is adopting would seem to indicate that perhaps there is more to this than is first evident; mental health issues have been suggested.
      
      She doesn’t know her opponent and so won’t win this round, although it seems that that detail will take a while to register. She’s definitely not doing her cause any favours.
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:08am
      - KevOB
        
        I don’t mind 79 yr. olds in govt if they still have well ordered facuties. Pelosi should have retired. Like Winston she seems determined to die in Office.
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:24am
    - tf78
      
      Why doesn’t Trump use money from the da fence budget.
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:56am
  - Biscuit
    
    Indeed, Mobile.
    
    You’d think by now that stephieboy would have got the memo about gender assignments.
    
    You can’t say ‘banshee’ anymore.
    
    Oh no.
    
    He’d have to include in his repertoire such ‘inclusive’ terms as bantri, bangay, banles, bancis, bantrans…
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:57am
- Alladin
  
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  I blame myself, Alladin, for the US Government shut down.
  
  … I was let outta the bottle!
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:20am
  - kowtow
    
    It was the genie that was released. not Aladin.
    
    A bit like all the murderers , thieves , robbers and drug traffickers who have poured into the US.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:43am
    - Random T Person
      
      C’mon guys, it is Aladdin.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:59am
  - softail 1450
    
    Alladin,unfortunately when you escaped the bottle you left your already tormented brain behind you fool.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:21am
- Inandout
  
  Idiot, you quote the guardian. How about looking into the FISA report, seems a whistle blower has given evidence that definitely Clinton was the funder of this document. The FBI and CIA are tainted also.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:26am
  - harvey wilson
    
    I think the record between posting and the post being hidden might be under threat with that effort.
    
    Well done to everyone involved.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:32am
- Than
  
  It’s difficult to see a way out of this shutdown. There just isn’t much room to negotiate when the issue is such a binary one – funds for the wall, or no funds for the wall. The Democrats could offer $5.7 billion more or $10 billion more for border security, but if it didn’t include the wall Trump wouldn’t sign it. And likewise Trump could say he’d be willing to accept “only” a billion or two for wall funding, but the Democrats wouldn’t give it to him.
  
  Both sides are trapped by their activist bases.
  
  Trump is clearly trying to bypass the Democratic leadership and appeal directly to rank and file Democrats, and the same strategy would make sense for Democrats (bypass Trump and appeal directly to Republicans in the house/Senate). But while a couple of Republicans are showing signs of wavering, passing a funding bill (either one including wall funding, or one without wall funding by a veto-overriding majority) would need not just one or two defections, but dozens. So far party loyalty makes that sort of mass defection seem unlikely.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:44am
Mobile Michael

Any Wellington based Kiwiblog readers seen the Leicestershire Travellers today? Picking they’ll be at the McDonald’s on Taranaki Street after going to Te Papa.
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January 18, 2019 8:07am
- stigie
  
  Deport the bastards now…just scum really !~
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:15am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Six of them (the msm are referring to them as “travellers”) have already been told to leave NZ due to criminal behaviour. Last night there was a report from a Wellington motel owner they booked into a 2-bed unit but had six sleeping in there. Reckoned they couldn’t afford to pay for a larger room. Bludgers on a cheap (scam) holiday.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:26am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      But isn’t the grandfather of one of them the tenth welathiest man in Britain?
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:55am
      - waikatogirl
        
        KS, You can get to be very wealthy when you bludge off others as a way of life. Never putting your hand in your own pocket, just take, take, take from others. Easy to afford long overseas holidays in the sun when you refuse to pay for anything.
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:05am
    - MCos
      
      “they booked into a 2-bed unit but had six sleeping in there”
      Sounds like me and the Thai whanau on holiday around Thailand plus chuck in a couple of dogs.
      We tended to gravitate towards to lower end of the market even though nobody was short of a bob or two.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:05am
  - Inandout
    
    stigie, this is NZ, the most tolerant country in the world.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:28am
    - stigie
      
      Seems we have to feel sorry for the feral, makes my fucking blood boil Inandout !~
      
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      January 18, 2019 8:59am
- Jack5
  
  So far the multiculturists haven’t noticed the wild tourists are Pikeys, a recognised ethnic group in the UK and Ireland.
  
  Otherwise they would be welcoming them as refugees and offering to bring in their extended (and they are very extended) families.
  
  These folk like harness horses. So maybe they would fit it easily in Canterbury and Southland.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:21am
  - Chris R
    
    Would the NZ media be hounding this lot to the same extent if they were from Iran, Somalia or Nigeria? This lot have white skin and while they are obnoxious and repulsive they’d be defended or at least less vilified if they were from the third world countries mentioned above.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:57am
    - MCos
      
      Well they’re not from those countries you mentioned are they, but if they were we’d hear about it alright.
      What we do get here are some poor drivers from China or wherever and they most certainly attract attention in the popular press.
      NZ is a long way from anywhere & expensive and tourists tend not to be people that can only afford cheap boozy package tours.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:21am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      or at least less vilified if they were from the third world countries
      
      According to reports they’re from Britain, probably Liverpool.
      
      How more “third world” can you get?
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:56pm
    - Piniwi
      
      But Chris R what a wonderful distraction for the Media party to run wild with headlines like: “New Zealand’s obsession with rowdy tourists captures world’s attention”. Obsession? It can certainly seem that way if every next lead article is following their every move. What we wonder will it be like for any fellow passengers locked in a small confined space as the fly home?
      
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      January 18, 2019 3:02pm
- secondcumming
  
  Just looking at them, you’d have to say it’s that cheeky little 6yo Pikelet that’s probably the ‘brains’ of the outfit….
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw21so-U0AArzyM.jpg
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:21am
- hullkiwi
  
  I heard they were Liverpudlian pikies (gypsys). Are they now from Leicestershire (East Midlands)?, which is some distance from Liverpool/Merseyside.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    They are “travellers” , highly mobile . They spread their diversity dividend far and wide , we are currently very priveliged to be enriched by their presence . Embrace and celebrate the multiculti.
    
    I ‘d bet they are ethnically Irish . One of their names is said to be Doran which is Mick. The little shit in the straw hat has a very irish traveller accent. Also in the initial contact with the bird at the beach there was a claim to be Irish . The evidence stacks up , they’re Paddy Pikies.
    
    Also the thief ‘s address was reported as No Fixed Abode. Which fits with “traveller”
    
    And there’s no such thing as an Irish “gypsy” , they’re not like the European sinti /roma. These people are from the same stock as the rest of the Irish population , but at some stage way back they took to the roads , a choice . And now crime and social welfare allow them this lifestyle choice. With horrible consequences for themselves and evryone they come into contact with.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:07am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Kowtow, dont worry I know about pikeys/gypsies/travellers or whatever else you want to call them. These people are the ultimate bogans which English and Kiwi society have been all too willing to put up with for too long.
      
      I agree, these people are not ethnically European Romaney, but some try to pretend a link. The link between Ireland and Liverpool is not tenuous, with many modern day scouscers being decedents of Irish Potato Famine refugees and subsequent immigrants. Sadly, many of these decendants are as bogan today as their forebearers who arrived in England during the 19th Century.
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:09am
      - kowtow
        
        “Sadly, many of these decendants are as bogan today as their forebearers who arrived in England during the 19th Century.”
        
        I’ll not have that.
        
        Those “bogans” as you so ignorantly put it , built , along with others the British Empire.
        
        Who held the centre at Waterloo when even some of the other squares faltered?
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:04am
      - MCos
        
        Didn’t know I was a bogan.
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:26am
      - hullkiwi
        
        kowtow, I take it your speaking on behalf of either your Irish forefathers who may or may not have been immortalised in the books and TV series Sharpe (starring Sean Bean).
        
        Yes, Liverpool had an Irish population at the start of the 19th century and yes, Wellington (who himself was from Ireland) commanded troops that comprised Irishmen (troops) in fighting units at Waterloo. What happened to these men after Waterloo is a matter of historical conjecture. However, the potato famine of the 1840s more than doubled the Irish population in Liverpool. These were Ireland’s poor & many of their decendants today are the working class poor of Liverpool & Merseyside. That is a matter of reality, with over 75% of Liverpool’s population claiming Irish decent. So, a reality is that there is a high probability that if the bogans touring NZ currently are from Liverpool, they are also descended from Irish immigrants.
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:13pm
      - Jack5
        
        Hullkiwi – Like those Liverpool boys, the Beatles. Lennon’s Mum was Welsh, I understand, but the other progenitors of the Beatles were Irish.
        
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        January 18, 2019 2:10pm
Morrissey

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You’ve murdered seven kids.
Now what do you do?

You demonize the murdered children of course. ….

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/08/03/this-is-excellent-watch-it/
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January 18, 2019 8:10am
- sooty
  
  Downticked just because it’s morrischancer!
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:14am
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    Thanks, sooty. I know you wouldn’t endorse the murder of those kids, or the weekly massacres of unarmed protestors.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:20am
    - Jack5
      
      ‘Morning Morrissey, got more darts to put into the backs of NZ veterans?
      
      FFS, cut back trying to transcribe all the chatter on radio stations – sometimes two stations at once. Truly, it’s scrambling your brain. ?
      
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      January 18, 2019 8:30am
      - Jack5
        
        Morrissey, note that a British SAS soldier in Kenya on a non-battle mission, has saved lives in the terrorist attack in Nairobi.
        
        https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sas-hero-who-stormed-kenya-13865997
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:56am
      - Morrissey
        
        That’s good to see, Jack. Makes a change.
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:26am
- harvey wilson
  
  You’ve murdered 7 kids? Your next move is obvious, get Joe Karam and Notsofast on the phone.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:16am
- mandk
  
  You are completely wrong.
  
  The video blamed Hamas, not the kids.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:33am
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    Idiot.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:50am
    - mandk
      
      Typical Morrissey.
      
      No valid arguments, so reports to abuse.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:31am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Yep; he’s so certain that he’s right, and so blind to any alternative arguement that anyone who dares disagree is an “idiot”. Classic trolling behaviour, which ought not be tolerated, or encouraged.
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:38am
      - Morrissey
        
        Telling a lie like mankd did is not an “alternative argument”, it’s just a lie.
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:32pm
- Stephen James
  
  Seven down! Woo! IDF should go for the record.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:43am
Sofia

“This year we exceeded the planting goal, with over 60 million trees planted” – Forestry Minister Shane Jones, 30 November 2018
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/377172/government-to-invest-118m-in-tree-planting

Is Jones adding forestry’s annual re-planting in with any Provincial Growth Fund’s new One Billion Trees Programme plantings.

So, why has the kiwiblog sidebar “Government Tree Deficit” counter not been adjusted to match Shane Jones claim of 60 million trees, or is his statement considered a lie, and we are waiting for National to ask the locations and exact numbers of trees planted with Provincial Growth Fund cash and the Fund’s actual instigation – not adding in forestry’s annual replacement planting.

Forest Nursery Growers Association president Kevin Haine said its member nurseries would grow 100 million tree seedlings this year, almost double the 54m trees grown two years ago.

[ Note – 54 million two years ago, so before Shane Jones started.
And if they are growing 100 million tree seedlings this year, that is presumably Forestry’s annual replacement number and only about 50m extra for Shane, so who is growing another 50m to make up Shane’s yearly 100m? ]

Of this, the Government was responsible for about 20m trees through its Crown forestry partnerships, such as its agreement to establish a commercial forest on Ngati Rehia iwi land in Northland.

Tree planting had already increased to 70m trees last year in response to demand for replanting of harvested forests, as the “wall of wood” from a peak planting in 1994 reached maturity.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/109810764/400-a-day-to-plant-trees-but-no-one-wants-the-job

This is certainly starting to suffer from Twyfordism – the practice of uttering so many varying statements that no one has any fucking idea of what you are actually doing.

It has happened to Kiwibuild houses and to roading, now with tree planting and they are just starting with immigration where, as per the above stuff item, “Tree planting [is] done in autumn and winter and seasonal workers from the Pacific Islands would need to be recruited.” Pacific Islanders to work in winter – great!Those bought in for planting may of course need housing – perhaps Kiwibuilt.
Do not pass Go. But collect $200m.
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January 18, 2019 8:10am
- sooty
  
  Mulch is popular. So I’m told!
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:15am
- GazzaW
  
  The going rate for the planters is $400 per day but it’s not enough to get Shane’s cuzzies off the couch. I’m finding it so ironic that one of NZF’s key policies is driving unskilled immigration up.
  
  The Hawkes Bay apple growers are sitting on a bumper export crop this year but the best scenario is that they will be 500 pickers short. Any cuzzies down that way Shane?
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:24am
  - Paulus
    
    $400 a day is only worth considering if in de hand !
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:30am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Plenty of cuzzies out there, problem is they’re too well paid to sit on the couch.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:33am
    - kevn
      
      @Tarq… The Jones cuzzies up North have other green crops that are much easier.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:02am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “Plenty of cuzzies out there, problem is they’re too well paid to sit on the couch.”
      
      And they don’t have to pass drug tests.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Labour working it’s usual magic in the job market:
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/news/97661/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-thursday-one-sbs-td-change-spluttering-housing
    
    “After steadily moving down from high levels in 2008, the number of working-aged beneficiaries is moving back up again, and by December reached 299,300 its highest level in four years. “Job seeker support” (unemployment benefits) rose by +9% pa to 134,000 the highest level since 2012 – despite a falling jobless rate. In 2012 84% of those who were jobless or between jobs were on an income support benefit. In 2018 that has risen to 94% – virtually everyone. The level of other benefits are little-changed. There are now 2.0 workers for every adult receiving a benefit.”
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:54am
    - srylands
      
      Thanks for that. Of course it will get zero press coverage, despite being a significant issue of public interest.
      
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      January 18, 2019 2:40pm
  - srylands
    
    Yes unfortunately we have an army of unemployable young people. As a society we chose this outcome. The result is that it is impossible to send these unemployed people to Hawkes Bay and make them pick fruit or lose their dole. They would create havoc.
    
    We can’t do much about the current stock of these people but we could stop adding to it. But there is no sign of that.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:18am
    - Sacha
      
      The government could simply stop paying welfare/unemployment benefits for the fruit-picking season to anyone of school leaving age and say 45.
      Like they did with the pensioners electricity for heating payments, once they deemed the weather temps were warm enough.
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:59pm
- Richard
  
  Yes he is adding the annual re-planting which would have happened with or without the COL. However the expensive and wasteful mulching of tree seedlings last year was a direct result of the COL’s and Minister Jones incompetence. Our tax dollars at work under this government
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:26am
  - tf78
    
    I would still like to see the proof that the “mulched” seedlings actually existed in the first place.
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:05am
- G152
  
  Jones is a buffoon and a not very bright one at that.
  He’s been caught out
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:33am
secondcumming

The missus received a bit of great news last night that will benefit her bank balance.

She no longer has to send money for the freeloading kid she was sponsoring in Africa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxANfJ8WkAEGOwF.jpg
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January 18, 2019 8:12am
Keeping Stock

Do not pass Go. But collect $200m, from the long-suffering taxpayer.

Fixed it for you Sofia 😀
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January 18, 2019 8:17am
lifesgood

So Goff comes out and calls the traveling pikeys a**holes. Fair enough but when is he going to get our home grown, fat, lazy a***holes lying around and infesting Queen St moved along? They are a bloody embarrassment. Make me ashamed of my city.
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January 18, 2019 8:18am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I saw one in Parnell just prior to Christmas; was tapping away on her iPhone to prove how entrenched in poverty she was…
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  The Oirish “travellers” were an easy target . Notice too how our normally uber progressive , virtue signalling media were over it like a rash , not to mention their harassing treatment of the thief outside court , you could see they were positively enjoying the chance to be bullies. That woman they chased and harassed is actually a very vulnerable victim of her circumstances and the difficult and very likely abusive environment she grew up in and yet how was she treated by our media ? ( I say that with a hint of irony as that’s how the media usually portray wimmin)
  
  This is because our media don’t realise that “travellers” , itinerants , whatever you want to call them are in Europe a protected and identifiably different minority , who get the same media treatment there as our protected minorities here get .
  
  Our media just saw white trash , red necks , who are of course fair game.
  
  And the media let their guard down and showed their true colours , they’re lying hypocrites.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:30am
  - Jack5
    
    I think you’re on target there, Kowtow.
    
    A case of: “These ratbags are whiteys, so we can kick the shit out of them.”
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:32am
    - waikatogirl
      
      To be fair, this bunch are feral scum who have arrived in NZ with the intention of having as free a holiday as they can scam out of trusting Kiwi businesses. Leaving a rubbish heap at the beach and abusing people when they got called out on it is not the smartest tactic. By not keeping their heads down they rightly drew attention from the police and immigration and now the rabid msm.
      
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      January 18, 2019 8:39am
      - kowtow
        
        Yes but it was a citizen who initiated the story , the media ran it cos the trash was white and foreign , I’d bet they wouldn’t have highlighted the littering / aggression had it been a big gathering of say Indians, Syrians or PI’s.
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:48am
      - Simon
        
        There is plenty of scum out there. You can drive at high speed on the wrong side of the road and slam into a bus and get good press.
        
        If they had been brown black or yellow MSM would have run a mile.
        
        It is an interesting question the feral MSM have too much power.
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:11am
      - waikatogirl
        
        “the media ran it cos the trash was white and foreign”
        
        True, but don’t come to NZ and take Kiwis for a bunch of mugs by abusing our hospitality. We don’t appreciate it from anyone, white, black or purple with green spots. It is time for the pikeys to pack up and head back to where they came from.
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:13am
      - kowtow
        
        Waikatogirl
        
        100 % agree with you. They should have all been nicked , locked up ,pending the first available transport to send them back to where ever the hell they call home.
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:07am
  - G152
    
    bullshit!
    Total and utter bullshit.
    The travellers or gypsies or what ever you want to call them are behaving here as they do in Britain..
    You should go to London and see the begging on the Underground or visit some outlying cities and see the great piles of rubbish surrounding their caravans.
    Or for real excitement visit a site when an encampment is being moved on..
    Screeching harridans and threatening drunks…
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:39am
    - Gravelroad
      
      These travellers must be wondering what they have struck since coming to NZ.
      In the UK they are anti-social “celebrities” with their own TV series.
      Programmes like My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding have shown them as thieves and thugs with a lot of money to spend on trash and glitter.
      Seldom are any consequences apparent for law breaking. They can steal stuff and abuse people at random and with no fear of prosecution.
      Then they come here and people are following them around petrol stations and objecting when their foul mouthed kids kick off. That’s ok for UK TV – but not ok here.
      Must be very confusing for them.
      
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      January 18, 2019 8:56am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I reckon all this palaver is being recorded on hidden cameras for a new reality TV series called My Big Fat Gypsy Antipodean Holiday.
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:00am
    - kowtow
      
      You talking to me ?
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  Not only Auckland CBD, but Adelaide as well. We had a tramp sleeping in an alley behind our apartment hotel, two in an access way to Coles and three darker variety on the park bench seats. But the tramp camps in Democrat voting San Fran and LA are far worse.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:44am
- Simon
  
  ” fat, lazy a***holes lying around and infesting Queen St moved along?”
  
  It is a business. The “beggers” give what they make to people higher up.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:00am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    True. There was a woman in Wellington who would be dropped off in a car very early each morning outside the railway station.
    Asked for any spare change for food etc, but was onviously not starving. Same sign she carried got handed around to the other beggars. People need to stop funding their drug addictions.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:02am
- backster
  
  I thought Jacinda was going to fix that with kindness.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:52am
Justitia

It is glaringly apparent that the main aim of the EU in the Brexit negotiations is to prevent the UK becoming more competitive economically than the EU. And we are seeking an agreement with this outfit? Forget it.
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January 18, 2019 8:19am
- KevOB
  
  Yes. Why should anyone expect that the EU was going to co-operate and not aim to frustrate the UK? Law emanating from Brussels is too much to bear. PM May has likely got as reasonable arrangements as are going to be available. These are not negotiations but exit arrangements like it or not.
  I expect both sides will not enjoy the hasty departure and there will be friction for many years hence. Further delay allows more opportunities to add molasses to the treacle.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:56am
Humble Capitalist

We gave a young chap a chance at a job at work this week. The problem is that he didnt show up for the medical and drug test so no job.
We eventually got hold of his Dad who told us his son had been evasive all week because ‘he thought he would fail the drugs test’. Sadly a common theme with unskilled young locals
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January 18, 2019 8:20am
- GazzaW
  
  The answer of course it to just legalise the stuff. (sarc)
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Interesting dichotomy in society .
    The Greens and other “progressives” want to normalise drug use while on the other hand , the engine of our economy ,employers, don’t want drugged up workers…….and who can blame them ?
    
    ( Yes I know , alcohol blah blah , and yes who needs a piss head at work )
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:35am
- Viking2
  
  Pick him up and teach him there is a better way.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:37am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If he has no job, how does he afford the drugs?
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:37am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The bene (you and I) pays for that Odakyu.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:42am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      If you pay people for their poor behavior, you shall have more poor behavior.
      
      That’s one thing I don’t like about NZ. This country has no vision of what it wants to be as a nation and what kind of behavior constitutes a “good NZ citizen.”
      
      No one can tell you what being a “New Zealander” means in terms of behavior and attitudes. No one knows what “New Zealand values” are.
      
      Is it even valid to think about these issues? Or are we one giant global family, all with credit cards, debt, using the Internet and posting on Facebook?
      Perhaps the era of “nations” and “national identity” is a relic of the past. Certainly the globalists would like you to think this way.
      
      (Is it Friday already?)
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:46am
      - waikatogirl
        
        “If you pay people for their poor behavior, you shall have more poor behavior. ”
        
        Please let the CoL know that Odakyu… The Left don’t get that proven concept, that people take advantage. Kindness and feelz will fix all the entitilitis. Cindy said so, she’s just going to ask nicely.
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:16am
oldpark

Heard a Peters installed stooge named m/s Sepulini on the radio justifying why there are so many many cash handouts to anyone applying to Winz for hardship grants. At least 100 million Dollars of NZs hard earned taxpayers money has been given to anyone who turns up with a please help me request to Winz. Maybe reason for such a request is is not available.Perhaps maybe too many Lotto tickets have been purchased ,or paying a lot more for booze and alcohol.
Not to worry seems if any of you out there in Kiwiland are a bit short of cash. The answer just go to Winz and they will give you a top up . Thats the inference from the Peters selected stooge from Lie-bour Party a person called Sepuloni.
Also to make the approach even easier. get some tips from the huge increase 11,000 extra new recruits onto the dole,in a time of almost full NZ Employment. In case you missed the new title,called ”Job Seeking ‘Beneficiares. A new title created by the PC Peters selected gang of bludgers and free loaders in the Ardern/ Far left Lunatic Green Party.
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January 18, 2019 8:20am
- sooty
  
  Is it Whinney buying votes?
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:25am
  - Happychappy
    
    Who has Whinny selected to be Judges looking for good looking horses at the up coming sales. Surely this is one of the priorities of the Coalition to satisfy one of the much needed acts NZ First need to feed the NZ Racing owners pockets. This and many more of Jacinda and Winston’s policies are desperately needed to irradiate child poverty in NZ.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:42am
- KevOB
  
  WINZ may help if difficulties arise but they do deduct the loan repayments from the benefits. Grants are very rare and subject to special rules.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:02am
Paulus

Wonderful to see that our Princess Diana Ardern is next week going to give Theresa May a good talking to, on how to handle Brexit presumably. And to ask Corbyn what he will do for New Zealand when elected later this year – after all they are Communist soulmates.
Not just a photoshoot !
Then she is going to Brussels to sort out the EU.
Thence to the billionaires playground in the Swiss Alps at Davos = another photoshoot as do not expect anybody will know who she except her husband Trudeau, and the New Zealand media – Trudeau is now toxic and is in big trouble in Canada.
Presume fisherman and baby will be along.
Don’t worry H2 Simpson will be in charge as usual anyway.
See Grunter going to – why send him to a finance conference when he does not even know the price of a Wellington bus – when Alf keeps it running.
Winnie not there – would usually not miss a trough!
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January 18, 2019 8:22am
- GazzaW
  
  Just what Theresa needs on Monday – a meeting with a tinpot socialist politician. As if she hasn’t got enough on her plate. I’m betting that Theresa’s PA will be briefed to interrupt the meeting after ten minutes with news of an important phone call.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:32am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Is her meeting with Theresa May her first job back at work? Blooming long holiday I say but then she is nz royalty in her own lunchtime
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:02pm
- Richard
  
  What do think of when you hear the name Justin Trueau?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiAF1_osKB8
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:34am
  - fernglas
    
    An Ocker who has just arrived at Auckland airport?
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:44am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Groper.
    
    1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly;…. 33 Tom Brokaw; 34 David Scott; 35 Justin Trudeau; 36 Morgan Freeman; 37 Hugh Hefner’s guests…
    
    “GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:46am
    - Jack5
      
      Are you holding a place for the Labour holiday camp groper, Morrissey? ?
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:03am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:07am
  - harvey wilson
    
    When I hear the name Trudeau I think of his dad.
    
    Fidel Castro
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:03am
    - Morrissey
      
      No, he looks too much like Pierre.
      
      By the way, Pierre Trudeau was in this country in 1970. My colleagues and I have in our possession a tape recording of Mr Trudeau at a Wellington reception on that state visit.
      
      Would anyone be interested in our posting it on this site?
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:12am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Morrisey oh hell yes, was he coked to the gills?
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:14am
      - toby1845
        
        Morrissey – Let me think…….
        
        No thanks.
        
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        January 18, 2019 3:42pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      I heard that rumour harvey. When you see photos of them together it is hard to deny Justin looks very much like Castro. I wonder if the lefty brain is hereditary? Justin seems to have that in spades as did his possible father.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:20am
      - Morrissey
        
        Rowan Atkinson: “Canada? What the hell is there to do in Canada, other than sleep with Margaret Trudeau?”
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:30am
      - Longknives
        
        I thought he looked a bit like Ronnie Wood..
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:44am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Pierre Trudeau is the og cuck . Justin has a phonebook of potential dads .
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:47am
  - Komata
    
    Richard
    
    When the name ‘Justin Truedeau’ is mentioned…
    
    ‘Me, Me, only Me, Me look at ME, aren’t I just the absolute most marvellous person here, and look, my Right side is even better than my Left side, and isn’t my SMILE just so wonderous, lusterous and so ‘pretty’, and Oh aren’t I just so absolutely wonderful … (etc. etc.)’.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:37am
    - waikatogirl
      
      He and Cindy are so alike they could be twins! ? ?
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:20am
- oldpark
  
  Paulus, yes the little fish and chip girl who has so much experience to rack up world leaders. Not so long ago she put the boot into President Trump,and called him an arsehole. Needless to say ,when NZ wanted relief from import taxes into USA for our Aluminium and Steel Exports. No way said USA . Ardern the small town twerp cost NZs exporters millions with her school yard bully comments.WTH.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:52am
  - KevOB
    
    Don’t let her near the UK. We may want to negotiate a trade deal with them shortly.
    Ardern has no standing as she has not earned her spurs. Winston’s selection is not sufficient.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:08am
    - tf78
      
      I did read this morning (don’t know if it’s true) that May and Trump aren’t attending Davos.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:21am
sooty

Where’s Comrade JacinDUH?
Has not been sighted for a month!
Has not even burst into print!
Where’s the family?
Jethro has been quiet, which is strange!
Has she been photoshopped, while she has been away?
Gisborne granny was baby minder over chrissy!
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January 18, 2019 8:24am
- Morrissey
  
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  She’s got a baby. Key used to take off weeks at a time to (ineptly) play golf.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:43am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Morrisey “ John Key did it too” isn’t much of an excuse is it?
    
    Also isn’t a good golf game a sign you spend more time on the course than at work? You did say he was inept.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:50am
  - Sideoiler
    
    She’s got a baby. Key used to take off weeks at a time to (ineptly) play golf.
    
    The difference is dipshit, Key never cost the taxpayer a cracker while playing golf.
    Crokerygob will still be drawing holiday pay.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:00am
    - Morrissey
      
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      You’re saying that Key and his cronies didn’t rort the taxpayer?
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2910957/Bill-English-buckles-over-housing-allowance
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Key was having in-depth pow-wows with the President of the US at the same time.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11180860
    
    I don’t think any foreign heads of State have passed through Gizzy these hols.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:07am
    - Morrissey
      
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      “In depth”?
      
      John Key? And the Bomber?
      
      https://i.imgflip.com/g3ib1.jpg
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:48am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Ah the old bill English accommodation smear , haven’t seen that one in a while .
        
        It was doing the rounds when Napoleon Turei was defrauding the taxpayer. Difference being he didn’t use it for political gain and paid it back?
        
        Why hasn’t that fat toad been in court yet? Has she found a job or back on the benefit?
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:12am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Has not been sighted for a month!
  
  Yeah, it’s almost as though politicians took a break over the summer like everyone else, isn’t it. Surely that can’t be right? After all, no other NZ prime minister has taken time off in January, ever [disclaimer: statement may bear no relationship to fact].
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:22am
  - Viking2
    
    Ah no many of the population not employed by the Govt. kept working to pay for your existence.
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:15am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      You never take a break? Sucks to be you, but most people do take a few weeks off every year.
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s just put out a press release telling us why she is
  tripping off to Europe next week.
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/pm-promote-trade-and-wellbeing-world-economic-forum
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:40am
  - Sofia
    
    Perhaps New Zealanders, if they read the Guardian UK, biased as it may be, we might learn what ‘wellbeing economics’ is.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:51am
  - Lizziep
    
    Don’t think she wrote that herself, far too complicated for her tiny brain
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:22am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Maybe she could use her private plane to drop by and pick up Nancy Pelosi and friends now the Don has taken away Nancy’s free plane.
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:32pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/us/politics/trump-letter-to-pelosi-canceled-trips.html
      
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      January 18, 2019 3:45pm
secondcumming

“The US no longer uses forms of torture such as waterboarding. We prefer the term, ‘tactical baptism’ ”

[James ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis]
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January 18, 2019 8:35am
- Morrissey
  
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  May that old fool rot in Hell along with Bloody Gina, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, Alberto Gonzales, and the rest of those torturers.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:42am
  - Happychappy
    
    Morrissey was that you leading with other drag queens the parade that was shown on the TV News at 6 o’clock last evening.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:45am
    - Morrissey
      
      Ha ha ha ha ha! Not on this occasion, my friend.
      
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      January 18, 2019 8:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My husband thinks he’s a really great man.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:52am
    - Morrissey
      
      Your husband’s got a wicked sense of humour, Mrs Pie. I think we’d like him around here.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:07am
  - Garbageman
    
    Aww poor Morry upset at another Alpha male knowing what you look like now i can understand why
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:45am
- mikenmildagain
  
  He nearly lasted two years in the Trump cabinet of grifters and enablers. But he could only work for the moron-in-chief for so long.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:32am
  - Morrissey
    
    When you’re too disgusting for Mad Dog Mattis, you’re too disgusting.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:44am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Well, the actual disagreement appears to have been over US Troops staying in (or not) Syria. Mattis being in favour of staying – and in doing so in supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS against the Syrian government. Not so sure why you would support that, morrisey and mma.
      
      Also worth a look at how long the average defense secretary lasts in the job, for example under Obama. The last 3 that Obama appointed lasted around 700 days each, Mattis was there for around 698 days. So there’s a real difference for you to attack as well.
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:37pm
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DUM BRITONS
Exhibit 5: Jacob Rees Mogg

twit [British, informal] A silly or foolish person. (See also: fool, idiot, ass, halfwit, nincompoop, blockhead, buffoon, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, imbecile, dullard, moron, simpleton, clod)

ANDREW NEIL: You don’t really understand much about this border, do you?
REES MUGG: No, no, no. That—-
ANDREW NEIL: You’re cavalier with it.
REES FOGG: [beleaguered smile] No, not at all….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5CEvdpQmRs

DUM BRITONS is compiled by Hector Stoop, for Daisycutter Sports Inc.
No. 1 Michael Gove; No. 2 Chris Leslie; No. 3 Sir Mark Thatcher; No. 4 Johnny Mercer
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January 18, 2019 8:36am
- harvey wilson
  
  When does Corbyn get a dumb Briton mention for years of fellating Chavez?
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:51am
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    He supported that very popular, democratically elected leader. People like May and Cameron, on the other hand, support….
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:05am
    - Ed Snack
      
      So popular now he’s dead ! And still supports Maduro, who is of course leading Venezuela to new economic “heights” with his socialist policies.
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:38pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Think it’s got more to do with the economic warfare imposed by the democracy-hating superpower to the north, Ed.
        
        Once again, you reveal how little you know about anything.
        
        Have you started reading like I recommended you do last week?
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:28pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:10am
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Conversation this morning with HK junior and following from discussion about Bali Haque’s report, shows our education standards are going backwards.

Our son has just completed Year 5 (Std 3 in old money terms) at a decile 9 school, and in preparation for the coming year Mrs HK is getting juniors stationary list filled. A casual question from Mrs HK to junior “do you know what this is for?”, referring to a geometry set. Answer, “no”, in fact he has no idea what a compass or protractor are used for.

Further discussion with junior reveals the limited depths of his mathematical knowledge. Listening to what junior tells us fills me with dismay. This is because, despite his lack of knowledge he is ahead of the national average for his age group.

The comparison with where junior is versus where I was at the same age/schooling level is truly shocking. In all areas of mathematical knowledge our son is years behind where I was at a comparable age. In some instances our son’s knowledge is years behind where I was at the same age level. I repeat, the frightening thing is we are told he is above his age group achievement, and when we raise concerns, we are told they do it in later years. To which, there is only one response, b******t, unless our children go on to specialise in maths, they will never catch up with their peers abroad.

Now, I didn’t attend expensive private schools, I attended primary school at Marshall Laing (Mt Roskill) and Mairangi Bay. The difference is the syllabus, those of us attending schools from 1950s to 1980s were taught the New Maths syllabus devised after WWII, which had set levels and text books. For some it may have been difficult, but at least for the majority we had a good grounding in the basics of mathematics before we finished the year 6 equivalent, which if left to school system is not going to be the case for our son!
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January 18, 2019 8:37am
- brett68
  
  Maybe compasses are considered too dangerous?
  Some fucked up kid might decide to stab another kid in the eyeball?
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:59am
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    I don’t recall any incidents with a compass at school, do you? Your comment smacks of the response of a 21st century snowflake.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    Tattoos I think.
    
    Not very good ones either.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:35pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Every generation believes their progeny to be less able than themselves.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:34am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Milky, it’s not a case of believe. I know it to be so. You keep drinking your koolaid and puffing on your joint, but don’t complain when opportunities are lost to the better educated, better qualified.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:40am
    - GazzaW
      
      I wonder why it is that the children of our Asian communities (Chinese, Indian, Korean et al) arrive at secondary school with more than adequate mathematical skills as they attend the same primary schools, study the same maths curriculum and have the same teachers. Could it be something to do with their work ethic or home environment?
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:02am
      - tf78
        
        The Chinese seem to have a different way of doing math than we do. I couldn’t understand how it was done but very quick and accurate, similar to the Japanese’s ability with their abacus which were quicker than using a calculator. All way above me I’m afraid.
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:33am
      - Jack5
        
        Best maths teacher I came across was a Chinese lecturer at Canterbury in the days before Chinese migrated to NZ in big numbers.
        
        He struggled with English language and riotous engineering students who at times mimicked his accent. However, with patience and good humour he made maths logical and easy to grasp. A fine teacher.
        
        Some of the Anglo maths lecturers seemed to assume that maths was an innate gift that didn’t need to be taught – or explained. You had the gift, and if not you should study something else.
        
        Why doesn’t NZ import maths lecturers – plenty recruitable in China, Japan, Russia, the other Slavic countries, India.
        
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        January 18, 2019 2:21pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      After five years of schooling you have finally had your first discussion with your son about maths. Finding fault with the system is just an excuse for your own neglect.
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:04am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Your comments rank alongside Stephie for ignorant.
        
        The problem is not our son’s capability/ability, it is the syllabus content that is lacking. If you call engaging with our son to provide him with an environment where he is achieving above the “National Age group average” in all subjects (according to his school report which we received in the last week of Term 4), then you have a perverse idea of what neglect is.
        
        Gazza, indeed. In North Rodney it is hard to gauge whether that is so because of the lack of families from those immigrant communities. However, I’ve read anecdotal evidence that supports your comment. My point though, is that the current NZ primary school maths syllabus does not compare favorably when compared with the syllabus of the 1950s to 1980s. It is not a question of whether are children have or have not achieved what they have been taught. It is more a question of what they are and ate not being taught that is the issue. If our children are under achievers, then we would have heard about it when they move on to the two high schools that receive our children for zYears 7 to 13.
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:31am
      - GazzaW
        
        You may well have local issues in north Rodney hk. I have friends in Mangawhai who were less than impressed with the standards of education available locally (both primary and secondary) and opted to bus their kids to Warkworth.
        
        I can’t comment on the comparison between the maths I learned at primary school in the 50s and those of today but current secondary school maths is far more challenging.
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:47am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Gazza, I understand your comments especially about the high school servicing Mangawhai, however, a couple of years ago Mahurangi College wasn’t much better.
        
        As for maths at school, I’ve just spoken with a colleague who’s sons attended primary school in the Hibiscus Coast area and he has found the same as us. Basically, what is required of them from the syllabus is poor. His elder boy is now at Kingsway and he is now being challenged in a peer competitive environment.
        
        As for high school, I attended Rangitoto College and did pure maths and applied maths to 7th form bursary level. This set me up for both my bachelors and master’s degrees, which required me to do advanced calculus and statistics.
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:48am
      - Garbageman
        
        Nice to see you doubling down on being a vile POS Mikenmildagain & again & again isn’t it about time you threw another little tanty and leave for good AGAIN, telling someone you dont know they neglect their children is a new low even for a muppet like you
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:02pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Then we both understand the meaning of superlative state school teaching hk as I am a Rangi old boy too. I would challenge any college, secondary or private to equal the levels of teaching that you and I enjoyed. I found it interesting that the core senior teachers at Vanguard were ex-Rangi teachers.
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:33pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Garbageman, thanks for your comment. You read that and you become lost for words & you dont want to descend to his level.
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:38pm
      - lofty
        
        Tch Mike.. there you go again being an arse.
        Stick to your good stuff mate.
        
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        January 18, 2019 5:06pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Rubbish..or at least in my case..
    
    My kids were smart, still are and knew how to work hard at college and University.
    
    I hate to admit it but some of the things they do in their jobs hurt my head when they explain them to me.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:37pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I think you recall the Maths syllabus incorrectly. I went through secondary school just ahead of the changes to “New Maths” which removed the old syllabus and started instead with set theory. That change was mid-late 60’s – introduced at my school for the third form in 1967 as far as I can recall.
  
  It was a major mistake and set back maths education for years, and wasn’t corrected until around the late 1980’s I think (well beyond my time but I knew some teachers involved in setting up the new syllabus) that improved matters considerably.
  
  I didn’t learn set theory until University, when it made far more sense than it would to a third former. Useful for understanding mathematical theory, but of little general practical sense.
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:42pm
oldpark

Another demand from the Far Left lunatic Misandrist Green Party . They want all Police Pursuits of fleeing stolen cars to be not a good idea and want them stopped..
Maybe a better idea would be to have the mad dog Lunatic Green Party investigated and justify why they are getting Millions of Dollars each year from NZ taxpayer for being such a waste of space, with their Lunatic and Social Engineering demands.Instead of them asking for Police to let fleeing stolen car thieves have a free run.A better idea would be to lock up the mad dog Green party no hopers. Sadly that will not happen ,what a pity.
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January 18, 2019 8:37am
- waikatogirl
  
  NZ needs to take a leaf out of the Aussie’s law on fleeing drivers. Strong enforcement penalties for anyone who even attempts running from police.
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:56am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Link or it didn’t happen.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:17am
  - Longknives
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109994393/greens-push-for-changes-to-police-pursuit-policy-minister-not-very-keen
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:51am
    - hullkiwi
      
      I dont know if any of you read of the “outrage” of some in the social “twitesphere” regarding commentary by NZME/Christchurch ZB DJ Andrew Dickens. It seems he called the situation as it is, calling out in particular the failure of a father.
      
      According to the “grieving father”, his boys on Sunday night were doing what boys do (when the f**k, did stealing cars and hooning it around town late on a Sunday night become something that young teenage boys just do?), instead of being at home and under the care of the mother.
      
      The father had already blamed the police for the childrens’ deaths. Dickens said it, & I’ll repeat it. Rubbish, when does it become the police’s fault, if you do not maintain parental control over your children? Those children would still probably be alive if they had not been out stealing cars and then driving them as though they are boy racers. Further, nobody, but themselves forced them to flee and try to evade police. The parents and the kids are responsible here nobody else.
      
      The death of anybody in such circumstances is a sad event, but the people responsible were the parents and the children themselves. If, NZ is ever to grow up, people have to learn to take responsibility and not be snowflakes and shift blame elsewhere.
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:37am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        There seems to be a disturbing number of people who believe that sitting in the driver’s seat and operating the controls doesn’t make you responsible for what the car does. Disturbing, because many of them will have driver’s licences.
        
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        January 18, 2019 12:28pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I notice that, as usual, the suggestion that the Police should stop trying to pull over dangerous drivers isn’t accompanied by any suggestions about what they might do instead to ensure public safety.
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:25pm
  - pentwig
    
    looks like you f…… up again psycho
    it did happen
    haha
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:32am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Er, yes. Was someone claiming it didn’t?
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Google search broken?
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:31pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Not up to your readers to go and look for whatever it might be that you’re blathering on about – just paste in a fucking link already
      
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      January 18, 2019 6:57pm
- Chris R
  
  If this idiotic policy came to be would insurance companies tolerate Police inaction in trying to recover stolen vehicles? I doubt it. As usual little or no thought has been put into this idea!
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:19am
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https://quixoteslaststand.com/2014/03/08/updated-list-of-things-caused-by-global-warming/
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January 18, 2019 8:42am
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It would be awesome if a “Hidden due to low comment rating” post had all replies to it collapsed as well, expanding if you choose to unhide stephieboy or Morrissey’s posts.
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January 18, 2019 8:45am
- Morrissey
  
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  Free speech and rigorous debate—don’tcha HATE it!
  
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  January 18, 2019 8:48am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Free speech doesn’t mean that anyone has to listen to the stream of stupid emanating from you.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:02am
  - KevOB
    
    You appear as a noisy heckler.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:12am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Really, Kev? You know that’s not true. Love moi, or detest moi, you’ll admit that I never post anything that’s not meticulously crafted and (usually) entertaining.
      
      Hell, I’ll post up some of the praise I’ve garnere over the years if you like…
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Self-praise is no recommendation. A few good barbs aside, most of your comments are foolish, poorly crafted, and rate very high on the smug scale.
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:08am
      - Swifty
        
        He’s delusional.
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:35am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Stop embarrassing yourself.
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:37am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        It must be a cold day in hell; I just upticked mikenmild!
        
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        January 18, 2019 11:09am
      - Morrissey
        
        Self-praise is no recommendation.
        
        Correct. That’s why I collect the various tributes that have been paid to moi over the years. I’ll post some of them up presently.
        
        A few good barbs
        
        Thanks, Mike!
        
        aside, most of your comments are foolish, poorly crafted, and rate very high on the smug scale.
        
        Ooof! That’s tellin’ moi, I guess. If I didn’t know you were pathetically trying to curry favour with the rest of the fellas, I’d take your post seriously.
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You are free to post your repetitive guff on your own blog site.
    
    You have chosen to comment on someone else’s blog site…if you don’t like Farrar’s rules, then more fool you coming onto a site that doesn’t suit your sensitivities.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:16am
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      Maggy, I’m not complaining. It’s those sensitive souls Laspac and UrbanBaloney that are bitching and moaning.
      
      I love the back and forth, they can’t handle it. Talk to them, not to moi.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:21am
  - Biscuit
    
    Morrisey, your Freedom of Speech doesn’t preclude us from utilising our Freedom to Ignore…
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:06am
  - harvey wilson
    
    The left seem to hate free speech and vigorous debate these days , Southern , Molyneux, Brash etc etc etc
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:15am
  - Pascal
    
    I don’t mind the rigorous debate. It’s the incessant bullshit name-calling from that post onwards. You end up scrolling through pages of crap to get to an actual discussion.
    
    I’m here for the discussion and to read opinions. Not for you calling somebody names, then for somebody calling you names, references to goats, etc. It’s meaningless noise.
    
    Having the noise hidden by default when a comment has passed the visibility threshold means you can focus on the discussions instead and still explore the dross if you want to.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:23am
    - Biscuit
      
      —-, Pascal, you —, —–, ——, ——-…
      
      And [a goat reference] too!
      
      No charge!
      
      .
      
      But I agree with you 100%…
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:56am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s a world of difference between what is free speech and what amounts to verbal/written diarrhea.
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:16am
Fletch

More evidence damning of the FBI. Bruce Ohr, who was then no. 4 at the DOJ, and whose wife worked for Fusion GPS (the firm hired by Hillary Clinton to get oppostion research on Trump; the same firm who hired Christopher Steele who produced the infamous “Trump Dossier”) – that same Bruce Ohr at a meeting, warned top FBI heads that the dossier was likely oppo research funded by Hillary – yet the FBI still used it as a basis to get a FISA warrant to spy on Trump.

When the annals of mistakes and abuses in the FBI’s Russia investigation are finally written, Bruce Ohr almost certainly will be the No. 1 witness, according to my sources.

The then-No. 4 Department of Justice (DOJ) official briefed both senior FBI and DOJ officials in summer 2016 about Christopher Steele’s Russia dossier, explicitly cautioning that the British intelligence operative’s work was opposition research connected to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and might be biased.

Ohr’s briefings, in July and August 2016, included the deputy director of the FBI, a top lawyer for then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and a Justice official who later would become the top deputy to special counsel Robert Mueller.

At the time, Ohr was the associate attorney general. Yet his warnings about political bias were pointedly omitted weeks later from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant that the FBI obtained from a federal court, granting it permission to spy on whether the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia to hijack the 2016 presidential election.

Ohr’s activities, chronicled in handwritten notes and congressional testimony I gleaned from sources, provide the most damning evidence to date that FBI and DOJ officials may have misled federal judges in October 2016 in their zeal to obtain the warrant targeting Trump adviser Carter Page just weeks before Election Day. […]

Yet, in testimony last summer to congressional investigators, Ohr revealed the FBI and Justice lawyers had no need to speculate: He explicitly warned them in a series of contacts, beginning July 31, 2016, that Steele expressed biased against Trump and was working on a project connected to the Clinton campaign.

Ohr had firsthand knowledge about the motive and the client: He had just met with Steele on July 30, 2016, and Ohr’s wife, Nellie, worked for Fusion GPS, the same firm employing Steele.

“I certainly told the FBI that Fusion GPS was working with, doing opposition research on Donald Trump,” Ohr told congressional investigators, adding that he warned the FBI that Steele expressed bias during their conversations.

“I provided information to the FBI when I thought Christopher Steele was, as I said, desperate that Trump not be elected,” he added. “So, yes, of course I provided that to the FBI.”

When pressed why he would offer that information to the FBI, Ohr answered: “In case there might be any kind of bias or anything like that.” He added later, “So when I provided it to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information, I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware.”

Ohr went further, saying he disclosed to FBI agents that his wife and Steele were working for the same firm and that it was conducting the Trump-Russia research project at the behest of Trump’s Democratic rival, the Clinton campaign.

“These guys were hired by somebody relating to, who’s related to the Clinton campaign and be aware,” Ohr told Congress, explaining what he warned the bureau.

Those he briefed included Andrew Weissmann, then the head of DOJ’s fraud section; Bruce Swartz, longtime head of DOJ’s international operations, and Zainab Ahmad, an accomplished terrorism prosecutor who, at the time, was assigned to work with Lynch as a senior counselor.

Ahmad and Weissmann would go on to work for Mueller, the special prosecutor overseeing the Russia probe.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/425739-fisa-shocker-doj-official-warned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton

The whole thing is crooked. Was cooked up by the FBI to get Trump. More and more facts are confirming this. The lies are all starting to unravel now.
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- mikenmildagain
  
  Trump’s lawyers will get to the bottom of this. Once they hire lawyers for themselves, who will then need to hire lawyers for themselves.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:37am
- Ed Snack
  
  Also totally undermines Adam Schiff who published his letter (after hearing from Ohr) stating that bthe FBI did not hear of the link until much later. So a Democrat Congressman deliberately lied in an official published report while trying to maintain the fiction about Russian Collusion. Quelle Surprise
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:49pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Mueller must be looking sideways at Weissmann now.
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:36pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Well past time when some of these crooked officials started explaining themselves to a judge.
  
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  January 18, 2019 5:11pm
Longknives

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/do-not-judge-crash-victims-father-says

“They were just boys being boys”
“The Police killed my kids”

It astounds me that the Media give any time or space to dropkicks like this- And if you check out this guy’s FB page he appears to be selling ‘Fuck the Police’ hats in the wake of this incident. (Oh and trying to score drugs)
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January 18, 2019 9:16am
- Longknives
  
  *Oh and Dad was involved in the Motz murder in Christchurch all those years ago.. (Sorry having problems with my Edit function…)
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:18am
  - Morrissey
    
    The Motz murder?
    
    Any connection with the legendary Canterbury and NZ fast bowler Dick Motz?
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:22am
    - Longknives
      
      Yeah Dick Motz’s son Morrissey.
      Poor guy was shot dead (completely random) while he was working in Cathedral Square one day.
      The story is in my link…
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:23am
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks for that. I remember that terrible story now.
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Herald has been running with this opinion piece:
  
  Andrew Dickens: To the dad of the Mcallister boys killed in Christchurch crash: You’re wrong, it is about you
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12192056
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:21am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Jesus, Maggy, please tell me that NewstalkZzzzzzB is not going to taunt another grieving family.
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/kerre-woodham-was-here-remember-this.html
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:24am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Apparently, the youths were doing burnouts and donuts outside the mother’s house earlier in the evening, but no one thought to question where the car came from, whether any of those doing donuts had a driver’s licence, or whether it was a good idea for a 16-year-old and two 13-year-olds to be carrying on like that.
    
    Is it any wonder that the night ended as it did? As for the father blaming Police, he couldn’t be further wrong. The only people responsible for the crash were those in the car.
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:15am
    - auckwood
      
      Keeping Stock, I believe the parents are also responsible, as you so correctly pointed out about the burnouts and lack of concern about simple red flags like ownership of the vehicle and licences etc…
      
      Had that been me in my youth, my ass would’ve been black and blue from the old jug cord, and grounded from anything that wasnt school for a very long time…
      
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      January 18, 2019 11:59am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:25am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Don’t worry Mr Mcallister, there’s no need for us to judge them, physical reality already did that.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:29am
  - Nermal
    
    They’ve finally all turned their lives around. Just having trouble breathing
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:30pm
- Pascal
  
  The media is out to protect the “victims” from any criticism of their actions already.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/newstalk-zb-host-labels-christchurch-crash-victims-ferals/ar-BBSlVGF
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:28am
- kowtow
  
  From your link
  
  “Ms Motz-Wallace hoped people would consider the Mcallister family history before donating to an online page set up to fund the brothers’ funerals.
  
  “I know this woman lost her children, but I just don’t believe the money is going to a good place. It’s unbelievable … and they did nothing to help us when my brother was killed. We had no support like that. We had nothing.” ‘
  
  It’s the same in the US . Everyone in the media bang on about illegal immigrants “rights” , very few talk about the rights of the numerous victims of immigrant crime and the Democrats are making a virtue out of bringing in more, of catch and release of sanctuary cities etc Same in Europe with all the trash coming from Africa and the Middle East .
  
  And then the “Establishment” wonder why “populism ” is so popular .
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:23am
  - Nermal
    
    ACC pays for the funerals. The Gimme page is for the ~~pissup~~ memorial afterwards
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:32pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    The givealittle page should be funding the poor person who lost their car
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:08pm
secondcumming

My missus reckons Kerry Woodham is the country’s biggest *Agony Aunt*

Found this definition in the URBAN DICTIONARY…..

‘A womon on talk-back radio who gives you advice if you’re a *sad person* with no one else to talk to, eg:

Person: “My best friend is so much better looking, cleverer, and an all round brilliant person that I feel inadequate. What should I do?”

Agony Aunt: “Ring Mark Sainsbury”
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January 18, 2019 9:28am
- Morrissey
  
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  If by “Agony Aunt” you mean “a woman who delights in taunting and humiliating the victims of physical violence” then yes, Kerre ohoWmad is indeed an Agony Aunt….
  
  After 8 p.m., nearly every one of Kerre Woodham’s callers was right behind Veitch. Then an elderly caller called CYRIL rang her up….
  
  WOODHAM: Hello, Cyril.
  CYRIL: Well I’m not behind him at all. For goodness sakes, seven and a half months community service is all he got. He could have quite easily kicked that woman in the head and done brain damage to her—-
  WOODHAM: We-e-e-ell….
  CYRIL: Or put her in a wheelchair for life.
  WOODHAM: [coldly] Well, in which case it would have been a different sentence.
  CYRIL: I beg your pardon?
  WOODHAM: He would have got a different sentence.
  CYRIL: Sorry, I can’t quite hear you.
  WOODHAM: [testily] Oh well then, WHY RING TALKBACK if you can’t HEAR?
  CYRIL: I beg your Pardon?
  WOODHAM: A-a-a-arrrrggghh!
  CYRIL: I’m sorry I can’t—
  
  [She cuts him dead]
  
  WOODHAM: [through clenched teeth] R-r-right. Hello Anne….
  
  https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/kerre-woodham-reacts-to-elderly-caller.html
  
  https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/kerre-woodham-was-here-remember-this.html
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:40am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Reported for linkwhoring.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:51am
    - Morrissey
      
      Ha ha ha ha ha!
      
      Love you, Cap’n.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:55am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Woodham supported Veitch? Ffs , that clown Devlin did too.
        
        I wish I could’ve shouted a round to Veitchs former co workers who went out to celebrate after he quit .
        
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        January 18, 2019 10:18am
    - Garbageman
      
      Im not reporting just shaking my head at what a sad pathetic existence you must have to be a 4th rate stenographer and believing anyone else is interested in your boring prattling
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:21pm
      - Paulus
        
        No only ILG is /was into Parliamentary Stenographers.
        Think he has stopped ?
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:03pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Can you blame him, Paulus? Stenographers are hotttttttt.
        
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        January 18, 2019 7:59pm
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President Orange Blowhard is toast – his lawyer is now down to quibbling over which particular members of his campaign were colluding with the Russian government.
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January 18, 2019 9:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
  But, but, Fletch has assured us above that the deep state corruption behind the FBI and special counsel investigations is just about to be exposed…
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:39am
- Cobolt24
  
  Beginning of the end you say!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUvfZj-Fm0
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:49am
- KevOB
  
  His ex lawyer has the quality of a jail inmate.
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:58am
- Ed Snack
  
  Nope, a more interesting story hit today – Adam Schiff deliberately and maliciously misrepresented information he had received as a member of a congressional committee. And now the original interview with Bruce Ohr has come out saying (under oath to the committee) he did warn the FBI (including deputy director McCabe) of the provenance of the Steele Dossier in August 2016.
  
  Schiff should be toast for that, but of course with a “D” after his name he will be protected – for a while.
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:57pm
igm

Seems to be a shortage of callers and drop-off in advertising on Leighton’s old spot. Have not bothered listening to the sickly lefty, but have been informed by someone who has.
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January 18, 2019 9:36am
- brett68
  
  I never listen to talk back but it seems to be a terrible business decision to replace Smith with Woodham, the audience that listens to Smith would never listen to Woodham, makes no sense at all.
  
  This is the huge problem with NZ media, whoever the people are that are running our media companies seem to have little interest in what their viewers/listeners/readers actually want.
  
  How can you have a successful business if you don’t cater to your customers?
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:46am
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    At least she can string a sentence together. She’s a really horrible person, but she is capable of sustained and rational thought, and is not a crazed conspiracy theorist.
    
    She’ll be a big change in that slot, which had become a national joke.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:51am
    - Cobolt24
      
      In what way is she “horrible”
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:52am
      - Morrissey
        
        Click on the following link, Cotlob, where Woodham contemptuously deals with an elderly caller who rings in to support the woman crippled by Woodham’s friend Tony Veitch. If any person can construe Woodham’s behaviour as anything other than horrible, I would question that person’s basic humanity.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/01/general_debate_18_january_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2404450
        
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        January 18, 2019 7:25pm
- pentwig
  
  igm
  It is bloody sad that I have to listen to an Australian radio station (2Gb) when I reside in New Zealand.
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:42am
- lofty
  
  I have tried to listen for 3 days this week as I travel, I really have given her a good slice of my time…I just cannot tune in anymore….back to Coast for music.
  
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  January 18, 2019 5:40pm
mandk

There is hope, people.

Talking to my 16-year-old son last night. He and his mates think Millennials are a joke, reject ctrl-left politics, and enjoy watching Ben Shapiro demolish snowflakery.
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January 18, 2019 9:46am
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  mandk, also follows your politics for which the sonny must get your prior approval?
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:50am
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    Not at all, snowflake.
    
    He doesn’t live with me and I only get to see him once or twice a month.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:54am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  They say a generation reflects their great-grandparents. Today’s Generation Z seem more conservative and hard-boiled than the Millenials (yes, I know this is a gross generalization).
  
  I can kind of imagine the Generation Z boys standing up and fighting for an ideal as their great grandfathers would have done 80 years ago. Not so the Millenials and certainly not the Boomers.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:53am
  - Komata
    
    Odakyu-sen
    
    Re: ‘Certainly not the Boomers’ fighting for an ideal’.
    
    An interesting (and very broad) ‘generalisation’, methinks.
    
    You’d be surprised, very surprised (‘Nuff said; there are those who will know…).
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:51am
  - Cobolt24
    
    There’s two types of Gen-Z, the continuation of the millennial and the more conservative type which is a much greater percentage compared to millennials.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:59am
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      My daughter is Generation Z and is already conservative, despite my long lectures to her years ago to “think for herself” and “not blindly believe what I tell her but do her own fact checking.”
      
      I don’t know where she gets it from…
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:01pm
- Morrissey
  
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  Ben Shapiro. Now there’s a laugh.
  
  Not funny at all—he doesn’t have a sense of humor. But he’s a laugh, all the same.
  
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  January 18, 2019 9:53am
  - mandk
    
    I’ll tell you what’s a laugh, Morrissey.
    
    You clearly think you are smarter than Jacob Rees-Moog (ref your 8.36) and Ben Shapiro.
    
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    January 18, 2019 9:58am
    - Morrissey
      
      I don’t think someone who swallows black propaganda wholesale from the IDF is competent to say who’s smart and who’s not.
      
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      January 18, 2019 7:19pm
- EAD_THREE
  
  I could have guessed your son listens to Ben Shapiro and that you promote him on Kiwiblog for folks disenchanted with PC insanity that grips us.
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/03/first-they-came-for-ben-shapiro.html?m=0
  
  Let me know your thoughts on the above piece on Shapiro that shows with examples, his agenda.
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:23am
  - EAD_THREE
    
    Has Benjamin Shapiro beem born hard again?
    
    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/09/has-ben-shapiro-been-born-again-hard.html?m=0
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:59am
- Jules99
  
  Yep, that’s the feedback I’m getting from clients too. They are employable and will actually turn up for work. The current bunch of 16 year olds will be fine.
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:14pm
Manolo

Trump is guilty of everything dodgy under the sun:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/poll-rigging-for-trump-and-creating-womenforcohen-one-it-firms-work-order-11547722801
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January 18, 2019 9:52am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo, distancing yourself from the Prez now the writing is on the wall?
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    Missed the sarcasm stupid steffy.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is really stupid.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:06pm
- KevOB
  
  Cohen will be exposed for the self serving person that he is. Once they had carried out their expected task it was customary to execute them.
  
  I have encountered that type here. Both lawyers and accountants setting up deals without client knowledge so they could on-sell it to the client to increase the future fee base and a share of the spoils. Their lack of integrity speaks for itself.
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:55am
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Hooray, GD is back! Now we just need to find sarah dowie. Has anyone seen her recently? The country is wondering what’s on her tongue.
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January 18, 2019 9:54am
- rangitoto
  
  Anyone seen Cindy, Jethro or Hardcore lately?
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:00am
  - Rich Prick
    
    What a strange threesome.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:43am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why are you so obsessed with Sarah Dowie, marquess?
  Jealous?
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:58am
  - Morrissey
    
    Why are you so obsessed with Sarah Dowie, marquess?
    
    ‘Cos she’s HOT, Cap’n. Hopefully she’ll lead the National Party sooner rather than later…..
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/10/possible-replacements-for-mr-seven-per_26.html
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:02pm
- kowtow
  
  A bit catty there , marquess.
  
  Surely you girls should be sticking up for each other ,rather than engaging in disreputable innuendo .
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:58am
PhilP

I’ve been thinking lately that it must be time again for Hagar the Horrible to bring another “damning” left wing expose out, this year or next, outlining the scandals and such like from deep within the National Party.

He does have “excellent” investigative credentials you know from haresay to hacking.

I wouldn’t put it past him to detail how the “Nasty” Simon Bridges stictched up Jamie-Lee Ross and that it was Smon that recorded himself and managed to get JLR to release the first tape
and subsequent tapes given to Winston Peters.

There won’t of course be anything in there detailing how Simon came through the whole “affair” with flying colours and with his credibility totally intact.

The so-called expose against Simon Bridges and the National Party will prove once again that Hagar the Horrible is just a prune faced C**T intent in keeping the National Party away from Government at any cost , thus giving Cindy every chance of winning the 2020 election.

Hagar the Horrible could of course release a book about the goings on within the Liebore Party (sex camp scandal), ministers incompetance (ILG, Twatford) and who can forget Mega Fightery? but he wouldn’t dare.

There is so much ammunition there maybe a “right winger” could write the book with all the “juicy” bits and details?
The share volume of material available would ensure lip-smacking book after book after book. What a “super” idea and “such fun”.
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January 18, 2019 10:01am
- brett68
  
  It will be about Chinese money in NZ politics.
  Ross will provide the material.
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:11am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    There’s certainly a very damning book waiting to be written about it – if not by Hager, by someone else.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:22am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘It will be about Chinese money in NZ politics.’
    
    And there’s lots of it to go ’round.
    
    Chinese communist party money.
    
    We should all be very concerned , whether it’s going to the blue or red team , it matters.
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  “haresay”
  Is that a form of rabbiting on?
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:38am
  - Ed Snack
    
    As opposed to talking through one’s wig – hairsay
    
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    January 18, 2019 12:59pm
  - Longknives
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:21pm
  - lofty
    
    See, now that is quite clever.
    
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    January 18, 2019 5:14pm
Philview

Jacinda Ardern has been urged to raise NZ concerns over the “the illegal Leave campaign and prospect of authoritarian rule in the UK”.

Yeah right, she is going to put that position forward when she meets Theresa May.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/global-insight-brexit-train-wreck-part-2
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January 18, 2019 10:02am
- fernglas
  
  British democracy is doing just fine. It’s just the politicians who are doing their best to fuck it up.
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:11am
- mandk
  
  Prof Patman and other members of the establishment really don’t get it.
  
  The reason why Brits voted for Brexit is exactly the same reason why Americans voted for Trump. Ordinary Brits and Americans felt (quite rightly, in my view) that the establishment wasn’t working for their interests.
  
  The threat to British democracy, that Prof Patman talks about, comes not from the Brexiteers, but from the likes of George Soros and Tony Blair who have worked tirelessly to subvert the will of the people.
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:11am
  - KevOB
    
    Brussels.
    They passed laws affecting life in the UK.
    Somerset was flooded because they weren’t allowed to clean their historic waterways.
    Trade with Europe may be good but rule by them–no way.
    I sympathise with PM May. I sure she has made an honest attempt to get a graceful exit from a family of bullies. The UK should go regardless. It could be worsened.
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:39am
    - brett68
      
      All those ex-pats getting kicked out of the EU might cause a few issues.
      At last count there was 784,900 UK people living in the EU.
      
      https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/articles/livingabroad/april2018
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:46am
      - Tall Man
        
        My understanding is that there will still be an ability to reside there.
        
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        January 18, 2019 2:03pm
- KevOB
  
  A load of nonsense about UK needing advice from an ideologue about authoritarianism. What does our ex-fishnchipper know about realpolitik? She has already been shown she has no standing relative to other tested elected leaders.
  
  Poking one’s nose in when not invited is a recipe for souring potential trade relations.
  Get Ardern a minder. (Isn’t Winston Foreign Minister?)
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:45am
stoptheboats

came across this interesting new e- petition against the CoL Clown Shows exploration ban. Maybe the beginnings of a NZ ‘Yellow Vests
‘pushback on Warmist Alarmism?

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_82726/petition-of-henry-mclean-repeal-th
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January 18, 2019 10:07am
- tf78
  
  Done!
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ditto.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:01pm
- lofty
  
  Done
  
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  January 18, 2019 5:17pm
Inandout

I wonder how much supermarkets have lost by shedding plastic bags? Trolleys don’t seem to be as full as once were, but supermarket workers should know any difference.
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January 18, 2019 10:09am
- fernglas
  
  Why should the demise of plastic bags have any effect on peoples’ consumption? It’s an interesting correlation, if it exists. Would I drink less if I had to supply my own bottles? The only downside I can see to eliminating one use plastic bags is that I now have to pick up dog shit with my bare hands.
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:15am
  - stigie
    
    While people still carry on using the single use baby nappy made of plastic.
    I bet Jacinduh is not using the washable cotton nappy..? Fucking hypocrite !~
    
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    January 18, 2019 10:23am
    - Longknives
      
      ‘Jacinda isn’t the problem… She is the solution!’
      
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      January 18, 2019 10:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        Like urine you mean?
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:58pm
  - Inandout
    
    Well fern, if I have to mentally judge the number of items that fill one take away bag, I will naturally limit my shop. Stands to reason.
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:03am
  - Viking2
    
    Simple really. They shop elsewhere.
    
    Take Mega 10. No bags, no baskets allowed out. So tradies just order online and have the stuff delivered. Stupid behavoir on the part of Mega 10.
    Piss off your customers and we all know what happens when you piss off customers. They soon find a more friendly place to work with.
    
    Same with super markets. Their belief is that they rule the ground but they don’t, even though they are all incestuous in their shareholdings.
    
    There are others out there who will steal their customers with better service.
    In case you are wondering think about the dollars that My Food Bag have taken off the supermarkets and then consider who else has done the same e.g. milk delivered to you house as in Nelson and soon Wellington. won’t be long and bread will be included.
    Cut my teeth delivering bread house to house.
    
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    January 18, 2019 12:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ain’t ya got a wife? 😉
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:59pm
- secondcumming
  
  I reckon you’re right there I&O.
  
  As soon as *Countdown* stopped providing bags last year, I started buying my weekly wine supply from Pak n’ Save. At least they have the sense to provide cartons!
  
  We’d spend at least 3 hundy a week on wine, so in Countdown’s case, they’ve lost our 15k……and that’s just for piss, let alone all the other of life’s necessities.
  
  Extrapolate that out to other customers like us……
  
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  January 18, 2019 10:46am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Shit, you either drink very expensive wine or a lot of it. At least you’ll now find out how much cheaper the Pak ‘n Save wine is than Countdown’s.
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:02am
  - lofty
    
    Pffttt…..beginner ??
    
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    January 18, 2019 5:19pm
- GazzaW
  
  It cost me the princely sum of $18 to buy 300 supermarket size ‘single use’ plastic bags online from China. The planets are back in alignment.
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:00am
  - brett68
    
    https://www.pbc.net.nz/Buy-Now/Instance/Checkout-Bags/Large-Checkout-Bags-White/
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Recent study commissioned by the Danes on the Environmental cost of Grocery Carrier Bags shows that all the alternatives to the LDPE bags come at a higher environmental cost.
  https://www2.mst.dk/Udgiv/publications/2018/02/978-87-93614-73-4.pdf
  
  (read beyond the Danish summary p.5-13)
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:57am
  - Ed Snack
    
    But the environment isn’t the reason behind the bans – it’s the social benefits of the virtue signalling plus the little power trip they get from being able to tell others what to do.
    
    So environmental cost benefit analyses are missing the point rather.
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:02pm
- Jules99
  
  Yeah, I get mine delivered once a month and shop in store for top ups. Today walking around Countdown (who I don’t get the deliveries from) I decided against several purchases because I knew that I wouldn’t fit everything in my bags. That’s been the case several times.
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:09pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Found when I got home from the supermarket the tray of chicken with a wet bottom bought today just disregarded by check out-person and shoved into my reusable bag. It would normally have been placed in a separate plastic bag by the check-out. I had to wash the bag out.
  Not good enough NW!! ?
  
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  January 18, 2019 1:53pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Scanning your own groceries and packing them appropriately as you move through the supermarket might be best for you, if you lack the confidence to tell the checkout operator what you want.
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:57pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      I was busy unpacking my trolley. Unlike you, I don’t normally expect to tell people how to do their jobs! ?
      
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      January 18, 2019 2:08pm
  - srylands
    
    Same thing happened to me. I threw the bag out.
    
    The whole bag thing is bizarre. If I visit New World without a bag I now buy a ‘thick’ plastic bag for 15 cents. Each one of these must have the same volume of plastic as, conservatively, five of the old plastic bags. I purchase at least 3 per week.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:18pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Has anyone calculated the environmental cost of washing these reusable bags?
    
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    January 18, 2019 6:30pm
stoptheboats

Have a laugh at this email blast from Labour to me yesty!

Hi Don
We have a lot planned for 2019, as we continue our work to support Kiwi families, rebuild our hospitals and schools, keep the economy going strong and tackle big issues like climate change and child poverty.
It’s thanks to supporters like you that we’ve been able to achieve so much in the past 12 months. Now, as we head into another busy year, we want to hear from you.
We want to know the issues that matter most to you and your family. Tell us what you’re excited (or concerned) about in 2019, and what changes you would like to see this year.
Share your thoughts by answering a few quick questions in our survey:
TAKE THE SURVEY
https://www.labour.org.nz/1901_top_issues_survey?utm_campaign=190117_importantis_batch2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nzlabour
It’s going to be a big year, but we’re looking forward to getting on with the job, working on the issues that matter most, and making a real difference for New Zealand. We’ll keep you updated about all that we’re doing, but for now, it’s over to you! Take the survey and let us know what’s most important to you.
Thanks,
Labour Campaigns Team
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January 18, 2019 10:22am
- Inandout
  
  Oh stop, tell us all about the Labour camp when you get back.
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:06am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I tried to take that survey, told them what I thought of them, then on the last page there was an appeal for money. As I declined to give them any I suspect that my views went no further.
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:45am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    You tried to take a survey aimed at Labour supporters, huh? Maybe they won’t be able to see through your clever disguise, you’re thinking?
    
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    January 18, 2019 12:34pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      If they are so up themselves that they don’t want to know what supporters of the largest party in Parliament think of them, then make you pay to take their survey, then they’re on a slippery slope.
      Thank Christ.
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:57pm
  - Paulus
    
    Labour can borrow from the Greens where an elderly Green foolish lady left them $350,000.
    Along with another similar last year of $270,000 I think.
    And they want cut political donations right down to $10,000.
    Assume they will return the money ?
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:08pm
freethinker

Just read the Horrids report of rental house rent increases/shortage of/huge numbers viewing –
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12192006
nothing to do with the COLL war on Landlords/Farmers/Small business so must be climate change with warming the cause of the biggest snowfalls in Europe for decades, must rush for my camera as a squadron of socialist pigs is flying overhead.
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January 18, 2019 10:34am
Longknives

Go easy on him Judge- He is a Muslim ‘Refugee’…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109991260/refugee-escapes-punishment-for-shooting-man-who-racially-attacked-him
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January 18, 2019 10:37am
- simpleton1
  
  Sure he was provoked so he:-
  
  ….returned minutes later with air rifles, a kind of gun…
  
  Steedman said Bai was a “strictly observant” Muslim and visited the mosque, a place of worship, five times a week.
  
  “The defendant has tried to live a good life and has the [right] moral framework.”
  
  Surely some one can explain how the “perfect man” Mohammad always turned his other cheek. 😉 What happened to that poet?
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:09am
  - Tall Man
    
    Well you certainly can’t graduate from bomb making 101 with weekly visits…
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:39pm
- Swifty
  
  He’s hardly stepped off the boat and already he’s committing firearms offences – despite his having ‘the right moral framework’. Which I dispute he has.
  
  Oh and if he’s a ‘strictly observant’ Muzzie I suspect this won’t be the last we see of him.
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:33am
  - sooty
    
    Back home it wood have been an AK47!
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:21pm
- Tall Man
  
  And her cried just like ardern the liar, only for the cameras though.
  
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  January 18, 2019 1:38pm
dime

The Wall.

What the Don wants is the equivalent of $57 out of a budget $44,070.

As the meme says. It’s like your spouse saying – we won’t pay any bills or go to work until you give up the idea of spending $57 on a fence to protect our kids.

But yeah, the shutdown is Trumps fault.
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January 18, 2019 10:41am
mandk

@ EAD_THREE,

I see, Ben Shapiro is Jewish.

That’s all that’s needed for you to awaken.

You could even be taken seriously if your Jew hatred wasn’t so bleeding obvious.
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January 18, 2019 10:42am
slightlyrighty

Would you like to know the problem with the political left….

From a Stuff article on the Backlash on the Gillette Ad.

You could not make this shit up….

” We don’t want you to sacrifice your testicles on the altar of societal righteousness. All we want is a rational, calm conversation on the impact when good men sit back and do nothing. And aren’t men supposed to be good at cool, rational logic?

* Comments on this article have closed.”

after 88 comments….
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January 18, 2019 10:44am
- The Heat
  
  I wonder how women would react to a tampon ad lecturing them not to blame men for everything?
  
  I’m sure Verity would be the first to charge – out of the kitchen, perhaps – and lay down some heavy-duty womansplaining….
  
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  January 18, 2019 1:03pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Tampons really should have a warning on them, that white men aren`t to blame for all of their problems and don`t give a shit about the ones they are to blame for.
    
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    January 18, 2019 5:24pm
dime

Trumps letter to Pelosi cancelling her trip to Afghanistan is pure gold.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/17/photos-democrats-stuck-bus-donald-trump-cancels-foreign-trip/
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January 18, 2019 10:48am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Even more amusing – Republican representatives forgot to vote against a bill to reopen the government.
  Time for Donnie to make a deal. He’s made an art form out of ti, after all.
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:06am
  - dime
    
    he has made an art out of the deal. his billions prove it 🙂
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:31am
godruelf

Gotta feel sorry for Charlie Windsor today when he has to have the chat with his old man to suggest it’s time to give up the driving.
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January 18, 2019 10:59am
- secondcumming
  
  Silly old bastard.
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    But entertaining and still as sharp as a tack…just can’t drive for shit.
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:35pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Plenty of royal estates to drive about on. Just keep Phil off public roads…
      
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      January 18, 2019 2:20pm
Komata

Dime

Oh dear, how sad, never mind…

THAT was something Pelosi and Co didn’t see coming, and they definitely won’t like being on the receiving end of their own medicine.

Expect their screeeeeeeeeching to now reach crescendo pitch.

Go the Don.
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January 18, 2019 11:04am
- rangitoto
  
  He should have Pelosi put on the Homeland Security no fly list until she agrees to end the shutdown.
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:33am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    How about “lock her up”? Isn’t it a federal offence to defy the commander-in-chief?
    
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    January 18, 2019 11:42am
    - rangitoto
      
      Trump should have sent the plane to Gitmo instead of cancelling it. He is a bit of a lib softy though.
      
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      January 18, 2019 12:51pm
    - Tall Man
      
      WTF are you on about.
      
      We haven’t even had the referendum so must be breaking the law with whatever shit your smoking…
      
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      January 18, 2019 1:34pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Or the no booze while flying list. Build a few 10’s of m of wall with $50k/year annual savings
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:51pm
rangitoto

Gotta love Trump:

https://twitter.com/jimstinson/status/1085985429755752454

Edit: Whoops I see I was beaten to the draw.
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January 18, 2019 11:26am
- Morrissey
  
  malice + conceit + ignorance + incompetence = Trump
  
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  January 18, 2019 1:35pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    LoL, triggered Twink is triggered again.
    Not really bright enough to figure it out are ya Morrismoron?
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:42pm
- MCos
  
  So President Trump announces to the world that a bunch of high level American politicians are potentially heading for Afghanistan & Egypt.
  
  This is all rather petty, but if the itinerary was supposed to be under wraps for security reasons one would have to think that’s put the kaibosh on the trip.
  
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  January 18, 2019 3:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    The wannabe travelers spent the last week or so in Puerto Rico. They’re dodging their duty to their country. What a class government.
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:47pm
dime

Reports that Ruth Bader Ginsburg has Pneumonia.

If true, that’s her fucked.

Can’t wait to see what the 48 yr old chick Trump wants to nominate will be accused of?

Maybe touching her friend’s kids at preschool? maybe of being an escort to pay for college?

As for poor Ruth.. apparently, it’s a dry heat where shes going 🙂
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January 18, 2019 11:40am
- Manolo
  
  Yes, Satan is waiting for her already. 😀
  
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  January 18, 2019 11:48am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    It shouldn’t surprise me when people down the wrong end of the bell curve think fictional characters are real, but somehow it always does.
    
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    January 18, 2019 12:38pm
    - Longknives
      
      Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a fictional character?
      
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      January 18, 2019 1:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Actually, she’s been dead for 14 years and her staff just pretend she’s still there.
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:30pm
      - Inandout
        
        She is a hologram and her voice is recorded from old cases. Amazing what the FBI can do now.
        
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        January 18, 2019 2:33pm
      - Nermal
        
        Weekend at Ruth’s
        
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        January 18, 2019 3:40pm
    - Morrissey
      
      His name’s “dime”, as in 10 I.Q. points.
      
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      January 18, 2019 1:38pm
      - dime
        
        ouch! you really got me!!!
        
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        January 18, 2019 1:47pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Wooooo, there’s a riddle for the day care center
        
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        January 18, 2019 4:42pm
Manolo

From the American press:
Nancy Pelosi’s bill for alcohol on her flights from Washington to San Fran every week? We pay for it.

1,000 dollars. On average 52,000 Bucks, a year for booze. Tax payer money.

And the old bastard is many times a millionaire!
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January 18, 2019 12:10pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Couldn’t she set up a charitable foundation to pay for her stuff?
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:13pm
  - rangitoto
    
    She could but no one would donate.
    
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    January 18, 2019 12:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  She must be permanently sozzled. Explains a lot. A bit like the EU boss Drunker.
  
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  January 18, 2019 12:19pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s a great pity that the dotard-in-chief doesn’t have the excuse of alcoholic consumption for his bumbling.
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:17pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Does a better job as a leader than ardern the liar..sorry, wynston.
      
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      January 18, 2019 1:27pm
- Paulus
  
  But she has never had a job outside Democratic Politics where she is actually very poorly paid.
  Less than our Princess Di.
  And now she is a Multi Millionaire.
  Smells of socialism !
  
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  January 18, 2019 1:12pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Nothing to do with her husband of fifty years being a multi-millionaire venture capitalist, of course.
    
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    January 18, 2019 1:19pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Wonder if hubby shuts things down when Nancy gets stubborn and childish Mike?
      
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      January 18, 2019 4:44pm
RF

Now that Don Trump has just cancelled the US Deligation trip to Davos in Switzerland, Ardern has just lost her opportunity to have midnight feasts with Nancy Pelosi.

There goes the perfect opportunity for two harridans to discuss how to scald Trump.
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January 18, 2019 12:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Cancelling the trip to Davos is most likely to upset the current wife of the treasury secretary.
  
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  January 18, 2019 1:22pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Is that Nancy (No Gulfstream for me) Pelosi?
  Nancy isn’t going anyway, unless she pays herself.
  Trump has taken her Jet off her.
  
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  January 18, 2019 3:15pm
Manolo

How is integration working in Italy? Not very well.
https://www.cronacapiu.it/2019/01/12/donna-violentata-a-lucca-da-migrante-nigeriano-silenzio-dei-media-per-evitare-razzismo/
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January 18, 2019 1:04pm
sooty

Wood’n you know it, Labour have a camp with young ones, bugger all supervision, plenty of booze. Wood’n you know there’s some pervert there. Woodn’t you know it he sticks his hands down not one, but four pants.
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January 18, 2019 1:15pm
Longknives

Scott Kuggeleijn was found Not Guilty in a Court of Law.
Stuff are still trialling him by Media and trying to end his career-

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/109964652/nz-cricket-should-end-its-shameful-silence-on-scott-kuggeleijn

Shame on you Stuff- Their Leftist writers seem incapable of comprehending that things aren’t always clear cut in rape allegations and that (shock/horror!) sometimes the guy didn’t do it..
Good on you Scott- Put this behind you and keep knocking it out of the park mate!
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January 18, 2019 1:38pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Good article. Thanks for linking to it.
  
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  January 18, 2019 1:53pm
  - Prince
    
    Yeah. Court of law is one thing but of course the ‘liberal’ lefties will always resort to social media innuendo if the courts don’t go their way.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:01pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  To be fair, Kuggeleijn’s own statements and evidence don’t portray him in a particularly flattering light.
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:14pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    As the Stuff article helpfully points out. A jury reporting “not guilty”, is not necessarily a ringing endorsement of one’s actions. Neither is it necessarily the end of people thinking one is a scumbag. See – Bain, David.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:24pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Dead right mikenmild. But Kuggeleijn, like Bain, was found not guilty by the Court, and whatever we think of either case, we have to accept the Court’s decision.
      
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      January 18, 2019 4:09pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        …we have to accept the Court’s decision.
        
        Not so! The various branches of government have to accept the court’s decision, but we free citizens enjoy among our freedoms the right to consider someone a creepy, rapey arsehole if he’s given us reason to believe he is one.
        
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        January 18, 2019 7:03pm
  - srylands
    
    Yeah. I can see it both ways. He was found not guilty based on the reasonable doubt test. But his own evidence suggests he behaved recklessly when there was doubt that she was consenting.
    
    There was a major case in Ireland a while back. Irish rugby sacked two star players even though they were found not guilty of rape. However there was no doubt that they were scum bags.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That case is referenced in the great Stuff article that Longknives helpfully drew to our attention.
      
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      January 18, 2019 2:32pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      …he behaved recklessly when there was doubt that she was consenting.
      
      Handy tip: if the vic is saying “No” and trying to stop you removing her underwear, continuing isn’t “behaving recklessly,” it’s “rape.” The court may not give you your rightful 8 years or so being forcibly prevented from similarly “reckless behaviour,” but that doesn’t alter what you are.
      
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      January 18, 2019 7:08pm
kowtow

‘An Indian national who was about to be deported for slapping his wife has had his criminal conviction overturned.’

Compare and contrast , all and sundry want the visiting Micks thrown out and they are literally being hounded by the media .

Will the media chase this guy and plaster him day in day out in the news ?

Do we really want wife beaters getting residence here ?

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/mans-conviction-slapping-wife-overturned
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January 18, 2019 1:42pm
- Jack5
  
  This is interesting in that report, Kowtow:
  
  “… the High Court at Invercargill accepted Manoj Vohra’s appeal that the district court had erred when it failed in April 2016 to consider if he could be discharged without conviction.
  
  “Vohra had pleaded guilty to one charge of assaulting a female.”
  
  The High Court decision is much in line with the golf lessons for a Muslim who planned a knife and car massacre in Christchurch.
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:48pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Are you not ENRICHED?
  
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  January 18, 2019 3:36pm
rangitoto

Ardern’s bestie Hardcore text revealed.

“Myself and my friends and community wanted to pass on their respects and praise for the decision about Jan Antolik, Karoul Sroubek, he’s made a bunch of really bad decisions but he’s a good guy deep down, so thank you to Ian and yourself for giving him another chance,” the text from Hardcore said.

and

” The Herald asked for text messages sent to Ardern from Hardcore and anybody else about Sroubek, and Ardern’s office also released a text message from convicted fraudster Alex Swney.

Sent on November 9, it said: “U r too polite to say it but I will – Bridges & the Nats r being bastards about this Sroubek saga. I want to assist with information I hve included in an email I hve copied u in on. If I can please advise [redacted] … Best – Alex.””

We will have to “read between the lines” on the redacted part.
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January 18, 2019 1:53pm
- brett68
  
  The kepoint in the texts are
  
  so thank you to Ian and yourself for giving him another chance,”
  
  Pressure obviously applied to Lees Galloway by Ardern.
  
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  January 18, 2019 1:58pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Of course she will still deny she was involved and just say he got the wrong end of the stick. The fact that he’s thanked her appears as if he made an earlier plea to her but will we ever know? Keep at it Simon, looks like the house of cards has got a wobble on.
    
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    January 18, 2019 6:49pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  I’ll get the popcorn……
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:04pm
  - Prince
    
    Don’t bother. The media will run interference on this. Just imagine if Key or English was in this position – the constant media focus. Door-stopping, breaking news, opinion pieces, John Campbell accompanied by time-lines, eerie music.
    The media theme now will be ‘Nats stumble with text revealing anti-Bridges message.’
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:43pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  How does a convicted and imprisoned fraudster (Swney) manage to have the PM’s cellphone number? This gets murkier by the day.
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:11pm
  - burt
    
    Read between the lines.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:34pm
- Longknives
  
  “so thank you to Ian and yourself for giving him another chance,”
  
  It is now blindingly obvious that Ardern DID have influence and input into the Sroubek decision.
  (Which she steadfastly denied in Parliament)
  The woman has been lying through her colossal gnashers regarding this Sroubek character.
  The next question is- Why?
  Who or what is he connected to that they are all so desperately trying to protect??
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:36pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    “It is now blindingly obvious that Ardern DID have influence and input into the Sroubek decision.”
    
    It always was blindingly obvious. It was Cindy, ILG and the whole front bench of the CoL who thought they could lie their way out of the obvious.
    Special treatment for friends of Cindy.
    She’s got to go.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:45pm
  - Komata
    
    longknives
    
    ‘Supply and demand’ comes immediately to mind, especially as lines can be three dimensional and at times very close .
    
    The effect on squirrels is not yet known…
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:00pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      What about the effect on lawnmowers, and the sellers thereof?
      
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      January 18, 2019 4:33pm
      - Komata
        
        Ks
        
        Lawnmowers can come in a variety of shapes, sizes, from a variety of manufacturers and are sold through a variety of retailers…
        
        (Just saying).
        
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        January 18, 2019 7:34pm
- GazzaW
  
  When Swney repays the $4 mill that he stole from the NZ taxpayers he can comment publicly. Until then keep your trap shut Alex.
  
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  January 18, 2019 4:06pm
  - rangitoto
    
    How come he has access to a cell phone in prison?
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:12pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      He was paroled some time ago.
      
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      January 18, 2019 4:33pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Ian?
  Hardcore is on first name terms with ILG?
  
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  January 18, 2019 6:42pm
Keeping Stock

No wonder Jacinda Ardern has been lying low. Her office releases an OIA to Matthew Hooton, quite literally as she is leaving the country for Europe.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110018901/karel-sroubek-a-good-guy-richie-hardcore-says-in-text-to-pm-jacinda-ardern

We now find there was not one but TWO text messages, the second from convicted fraudster Alex Swney, and an email. This does nothing to dispel concerns that the PM knows a darned sight more about the Sroubek case than she has been letting on up until now. The only surprise is that the OIA was released this early on a Friday, and not at 5.45pm.

I wonder who was on the guest list at Sroubek’s wedding in Queenstown; anyone we know, do you think?
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January 18, 2019 2:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s abundantly clear that Cindy used her influence on Please Gallopaway to give the prick residency, for reasons which are obvious to a blind man.
  Then she lied and obfuscated for weeks.
  Is this the end of the CoL?
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:13pm
  - burt
    
    I doubt it, unless one of them threatens to stand as an independent.
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    “Is this the end of the CoL ‘?
    
    Nope! For the groundless reasons you stated!
    
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    January 18, 2019 2:53pm
  - MH
    
    Nappy time….bring on Neve, a better front to hide behind than a parliamentary pillar. Diddams……. forget reading between the lies join the dotes…….
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:24pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Nah, Cindy is off to the world stage to virtue signal. She will paste on her concerned face and ask everyone to include kindness and feelz in the conference agenda.
      
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      January 18, 2019 4:10pm
      - Prince
        
        C’mon, Ardern is an international star according to Tracy Watkins. The world leaders await her next move with bated breath.
        
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        January 18, 2019 4:26pm
  - Prince
    
    Only if Hardcore releases all the texts/emails from his files.
    You can guarantee that Ardern’s other missives have been completely erased from her end, and probably some friendly IT types sent to Hardcore to do the same.
    What this will result in is a very, very lucrative role for Hardcore somewhere deep in the Govt sector, no questions asked.
    He finds himself in a very favourable position.
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:30pm
    - rangitoto
      
      The Telco’s keep a copy of every text sent through their network. Would probably require a warrant to get them though.
      
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      January 18, 2019 4:49pm
- rangitoto
  
  Looks like the email wasn’t covered by the OIA request for the texts. I hope that has already been sent in.
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:32pm
- stephieboy
  
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  KS,
  
  Why do people believe in smoking guns and conspiracy theories,
  
  https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/talking-apes/201801/why-do-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories
  
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  January 18, 2019 3:02pm
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, OMG, Give it a fricking rest septic, nobody is reading your endless googled shite, go out into your back garden and talk to your livestock FFS
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:28pm
  - Longknives
    
    *Sigh
    I try not to answer Stephieboy’s nonsense but-
    
    Until relatively recently I worked in the Justice Sector.
    As such I have (on many occasions) been privy to information that is not in the public domain.
    This is definitely NOT a ‘Conspiracy Theory’..
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:50pm
    - Happychappy
      
      I bet there would be a lot more information on the fisherman’s cell phone that could give the bigger picture.
      
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      January 18, 2019 4:15pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  This does nothing to dispel concerns that the PM knows a darned sight more about the Sroubek case than she has been letting on up until now.
  
  If I were a better person, I’d feel less chuffed about the intense disappointment that’s coming your way. I’ll try and improve myself by keeping in mind, who would Jesus snigger at?
  
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  January 18, 2019 7:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    When you’re already in a hole…stop digging.
    
    It’s shameful that you have such low scruples that will you will continue to support a liar who is no more than a “front” for an embittered old mn.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:26pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Do you have an English translation for that?
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:37pm
Bill felt

Friday afternoon before Cindy leaves the country and the news is let out about Sroubek and now news that the Kiwibuild CEO has resigned.

Open and transparent.
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January 18, 2019 2:17pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Pass me a Tui 😀
  
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  January 18, 2019 4:07pm
- waikatogirl
  
  How much of a employment settlment ($) did it cost the taxpayer for him to go quietly?
  
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  January 18, 2019 4:13pm
- lifesgood
  
  Obviously hoping it will blow over. I’ve got news for her – it won’t.
  
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  January 18, 2019 6:42pm
oldgolfer

The vile Stuff sees fit to relitigate the case against Black Cap Scott Kuggleleijn.
Jesus wept, the man was found not guilty.
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January 18, 2019 2:17pm
Philview

I read a Chris Trotter article in the newspaper today about the 2020 election. (See online copy from his blog).
Chris rightly thinks the election will be a battle about Liberal ideology. He is specific about transgender being the key issue, I personally turn off when I hear the word so maybe things are coming that I am not aware of.

Good to read a left wing perspective that thinks the Coalition are in trouble.

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-politics-of-distraction.html
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January 18, 2019 2:32pm
- burt
  
  Trotter always goes negative on the left wing government in the lead up to an election, it’s his style.
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:34pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell’s Croaking Cassandra blog has a good item on NZ productivity – the third item, dated January 16.

This link is direct to the item on the blog:

https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/01/16/productivity-any-hope-from-treasury/
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January 18, 2019 2:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Great start to the political year, Prime Minister.
TGIF

I expect that will be the CoL’s motto for the rest of the year.
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January 18, 2019 2:49pm
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, thought you were idling the rest of your days in a rest home?
  
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  January 18, 2019 2:56pm
  - pentwig
    
    stoopidthing the big bullything has another attempt on MW
    you big brave sicko you
    
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    January 18, 2019 3:04pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    What a dreadful ageist comment Stephie! As my Dear Departed Dad was wont to say, “There’s many a good tune played on an old fiddle”.
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:12pm
- lifesgood
  
  It is up to the opposition to keep hammering and ignore that these things are so childishly released on a Friday. It beggars belief that despite being called out on this they continue to do it. Hosking made it clear to Adern that these Friday releases were a joke. The COL of morons must think everyone else is as moronic as they are.
  
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  January 18, 2019 6:41pm
MH

I suggest if you have an immunity to idle you present it now,SB.
I’ll go tally the votes
The diatribe has been spoken
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January 18, 2019 3:18pm
Tall Man

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/karel-sroubek-richie-hardcores-text-to-jacinda-ardern-revealed/ar-BBSoPRn

About time.

Now, ask yourself, if the immigration minister made this decision completely on his own, why does he then say this…

“so thank you to Ian and yourself for giving him another chance,”

So, ritchie hardcore knows ardern the liar had input in the decision and thanks her for this. Another lie exposed but only if you “read between the lines”….

He also has her email address, as in the following

” I want to assist with information I hve included in an email I hve just copied u in on”

Have those emails been released?
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January 18, 2019 3:23pm
- Bill felt
  
  and Hardcore, his “friends and the community” all knew Cindy slipped him a favour!
  
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  January 18, 2019 3:25pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  No, the e-mail was from convicted and imprisoned fraudster, Alex Swney.
  
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  January 18, 2019 4:13pm
softail 1450

I have no doubt that all the high powered economists and world bankers will be waiting with bated breath in Davos for our exalted leader Jacinda to straighten them out about planetary economics…
And imagine their delight when they realise that her presence will be followed up by the plans for the world of economics by Grant Robinson,bachelor of arts .
My serious question is are these mo’fos taking airforce one on this escapade ,and can i be a part of the maori haka party ?
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January 18, 2019 3:46pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Im sure she’ll pass her CV around. It’s a handy place to go to try and find an escape hole if things crash out here in NZ
  Lots quangos and think tanks at Davos whom she would appeal to.
  
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  January 18, 2019 3:50pm
  - softail 1450
    
    A O R , is Neeve and the lawnmower man going ?
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:06pm
    - GazzaW
      
      No comment has been made in the media regarding her entourage so I guess that Mr Masport and the baby are travelling. Is she using Air Force One or will a First Class suite on Singapore Airlines or Emirates have to make do?
      
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      January 18, 2019 5:06pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Maybe a rogue avalanche in Davos will solve one of our problems. ?
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:20pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Maybe you will die in a road accident over the holiday weekend.
      
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      January 18, 2019 4:22pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        So you understood what I was saying. Have the same thought did you! ?
        
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        January 18, 2019 4:26pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes, I have been reading Kiwiblog long enough to understand death wishes directed at public figures.
        
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        January 18, 2019 4:48pm
      - Longknives
        
        A bit morbid there Mikey?
        
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        January 18, 2019 5:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        That is uncalled for unless you are ardern the liar in disguise.
        
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        January 18, 2019 5:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      True, Longknives. I thought waikatogirl’s comment was a bit out of line. But the smiley face made it clear that she was ‘only joking’ when she was wondering if our PM would met an untimely death in Switzerland. So there’s that.
      
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      January 18, 2019 5:29pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        I admit it was not a good comment. Just proves that the frustration caused by that woman’s politics, and her inability to ‘run a bath’ without unintended consequences are enough to upset even the calmest amongst us from time to time. ?
        
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        January 18, 2019 6:48pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Good on you. Not many on this blog would take something back. I think there are many more things to fret about in than whether our PM is up to the job.
        
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        January 18, 2019 7:10pm
      - rangitoto
        
        I’m personally wishing Taxinda well for rounding off her two month vacation with a visit to a luxury ski resort at the taxpayer expense. Fortunately for us Trump is at work looking after the ordinary American and the free world.
        
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        January 18, 2019 7:38pm
      - pentwig
        
        but she isn’t up to the job milkmaid
        even mallard had to try and stop her inane utterances by calling her a silly little girl, try and blame someone from national making the comment that not even hansard picked up
        so she even embarrassed mallard- her protector
        you lefties are a gift that stupidly keep on giving
        excellent!
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:44pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And the world’s biggest economy won’t be represented. Total fizzer.
  
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  January 18, 2019 4:03pm
- kevn
  
  @soft… Whinney is of to the UK tell them how to do it as well. ffs
  
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  January 18, 2019 5:03pm
  - GazzaW
    
    He’ll be so welcome in the current climate.
    
    “Sorry Mr Juncker, I don’t have the time to see you on Monday as I have a crucially important meeting with New Zealand’s Deputy PM.”
    
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    January 18, 2019 5:11pm
Happychappy

It is a sad situation in NZ Politics when the Primeminister with the help of the Immigration Minister can lie and manipulate question time in Parliament to suit the benefits of criminals and their friends without the media of NZ lifting a finger to help the opposition hold them to account. It is also a travesty that the PM finds the time to allow prison inmates to use her private cellphone to give her advice on what they think of the opposition and its leader, it seems the PM is more interested in helping drug dealers than the people they are dealing to and maybe the rumour of it starts close to home might really be true so she has needed cover her tracks to keep being the PM of NZ and her lust for attention in the media ongoing.
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January 18, 2019 4:00pm
Surely Knott

“U R too polite to say it but I will – Bridges & the Nats are being bastards…… Best Alex.”
So neither of the texts say “Dear Prime Minister Ardern” or even “Hi Jacinda” And neither of them introduce themselves “It’s Alex Swney from ……” and Hardcore doesn’t even put his name at the end, and Alex is simply Alex. It’s presumed she will know who they are. So obviously more than casual acquaintances who are confident she has all their details on her phone. I would only use the U R informal text speak for a casual conversation with closest friends having a laugh. Certainly not in a professional capacity. And how convenient that the text released turns out to be a jab at the Nats. But of course, it’s always the Nats fault.
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January 18, 2019 4:02pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Unless the reason there is no Hi Prime Minister, is because it wasn’t the first text but part of a longer conversation. U R too polite to say it but I will is a pretty weird start to a communication to the Prime Minister. Sounds like a reply to a previous overly polite text. And now the conversation is becoming more informal.
  
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  January 18, 2019 4:13pm
  - softail 1450
    
    S K , “WHITEWASH” , did anyone seriously expect
    anything else ?
    
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    January 18, 2019 4:18pm
RF

Just how many lies can these fucking clowns tell and expect to get away with it.

I really object to being treated like an idiot and expected believe the crap that’s spun to us.

As previously advised I respect the office of PM but do not have an ounce of respect for the lying scattered brained self centred brat who has no morals or scruples.

She has to go. Bring on 2020 or sooner.
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January 18, 2019 4:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder how common Swney is as a family name in NZ.

Jacinda Ardern has a cousin with that surname.

Ardern’s cousin Lynn Swney was also visiting and reported the baby was “absolutely adorable”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/104958073/pm-jacinda-arderns-mother-laurell-to-meet-granddaughter-for-first-time
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January 18, 2019 4:33pm
- Longknives
  
  Anyone know anything about this Swney character?
  Is he really in jail? If so- On what planet is it acceptable for a Prime Minister to be keeping contact/discussing Ministerial decisions with people in jail??
  
  *I know plenty about some of the other names involved in this disgraceful saga but have never heard of him…
  
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  January 18, 2019 5:00pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Alex Swney stole more than $4 million because he felt he was being underpaid for his work to improve Auckland, a court has heard. The 57-year-old former Heart of the City boss was jailed for five years seven months in Auckland District Court this morning after pleading guilty to charges.
    
    Apparently he “roomed” with lawnmower supplier to the stars while in Her Majesty’s prison.
    
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    January 18, 2019 5:05pm
  - Swifty
    
    I worked with him in the mid-2000s – he was on a Board I reported to.
    
    Good energy levels and some good ideas but unreliable and a blowhard.
    
    Loved the sound of his own voice.
    
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    January 18, 2019 5:12pm
    - secondcumming
      
      Yep….saw him a few times staying at Fiji Resorts. Used to love letting everybody in the restaurant know what wine he was ordering…….didn’t seem to mind dropping a grand or more on a bottle of Petrus.
      
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      January 18, 2019 7:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Swney has been out of jail since mid 2017.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11939928
    
    It’s doubtful that Swney would have known about Sroubek’s threatening phone calls to his wife or what Sroubek had been up to in prison in the last year and a half.
    
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    January 18, 2019 5:18pm
  - nasska
    
    La dolce vita in Auckland seems to be shared by a small, almost incestuous, clique.
    
    Bound together by lawnmowers!
    
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    January 18, 2019 5:21pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Swney is a nasty, thieving piece of work. He wasn’t locked up long enough in my opinion. Wouldn’t trust a single word from his mouth. Lazy, entitled, dishonest, arrogant…I could go on. How on earth did he think he was worth an extra $4mil.
    
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    January 18, 2019 6:34pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… Surely not related to one Alex Swney who is so supportive of one Czech crim. The crim even roomed with him. So nice and cosy. Such a shallow performance by all the players.
  
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  January 18, 2019 5:00pm
  - sam green
    
    Just to be consistent here – who did Keith Hancox room with when he was in jail? I know – let’s ask him ….
    
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    January 18, 2019 6:46pm
    - sam green
      
      Perhaps Hooten could do an OIA on all interactions Hancox has had with any National Party members or insiders since 1998. JK ?. I think he thought he wasn’t paid enough too.
      
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      January 18, 2019 7:43pm
      - starboard
        
        Go to bed, fool.
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:15pm
      - sam green
        
        ??
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:22pm
Richard

1.Sroubek, a convicted drug smuggler who arrived in New Zealand on a false passport. Still wanted by the police in his home country.
2. He is mates with: Richie Hardcore
3. Hardcore fishing mates with Clark Gayford
4. Gayford partner of PM and Hardcore public supporter of PM and her party.
5. Sroubek given residency.
6. Hardcore sends text to PM thanking her personally for Sroubeks residency. Twice.

Am I wrong in any of this?

If not then the Prime Minster at the very least needs to stand down while an investigation into her actions and her Immigration Ministers actions in regard to this matter takes place. Realistically she should resign both from PM position and from parliament.
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January 18, 2019 4:37pm
- kevn
  
  @Richard… Yep, time for Czech crim investigation to continue.
  No, it didn’t go away over the holidays.
  
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  January 18, 2019 4:58pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  6. Hardcore sends text to PM thanking her personally for Sroubeks residency. Twice.
  
  Am I wrong in any of this?
  
  Yes, you are. The second txt, the one full of abbreviations, was sent by Alex Swney, the convicted and jailed fraudster, who shared a cell with Sroubek at some stage. National’s questioning of the PM suggested that Swney wrote a letter in support of Sroubek not being deported.
  
  If anything, this makes things worse for Ardern. Why would a convicted fraudster be communicating in such a familiar manner with the Prime Minister?
  
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  January 18, 2019 5:53pm
  - Richard
    
    Bloody hell your right, its actually worse than I thought!
    
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    January 18, 2019 6:54pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Maybe he had professional dealings with her – like mowing her lawns or something?
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why would a convicted fraudster be communicating in such a familiar manner with the Prime Minister?
    That is a question Woodhouse is asking.
    
    “Why was one of Sroubek’s fellow inmates – Alex Swney – texting and emailing the Prime Minister information on the case, which has only now been revealed in spite of months of questioning? And what was that information and what is her relationship with Mr Swney?”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110018901/karel-sroubek-a-good-guy-richie-hardcore-says-in-text-to-pm-jacinda-ardern
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:42pm
    - rangitoto
      
      It would be interesting to know what group Hardcore is referring to by the term “community” in his text.
      
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      January 18, 2019 9:27pm
Inandout

I love Gutfeld’s humour, so different from CNN dirge.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5990717267001/#sp=show-clips
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January 18, 2019 4:43pm
softail 1450

MSNBC . its all over folks ,LOL.
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January 18, 2019 4:57pm
- Tall Man
  
  More shit on that site than morris minor’s.
  
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  January 18, 2019 5:24pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Speaking of Morris Moron, he’s been very quiet today.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:18pm
DigNap15

I see the number of people receieving Job Seeker Support has gone up by 10%.
This after Carmel Sepuloni said that removing the sanctions would not have any affect.
Dur
Did she really believe that or is she just stupid or lying.
This at a time when business are crying out for workers.
And the number of people working and paying taxes has gone up.
Time for her to bring the sanctons back and doubel them
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January 18, 2019 4:57pm
starboard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110005859/teens-fail-in-aggravated-robbery-attempts-at-dairy-petrol-station-customer-in-patea-south-taranaki

We know, don’t we. We know their hue. A darker shade of pale.
The special people.
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January 18, 2019 5:42pm
Viking2

Justice Minister Andrew Little expects New Zealand’s next United Nations human rights review, being partly overseen by Saudi Arabia, will show improvements from 2014.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/01/why-saudi-arabia-is-about-to-judge-nz-s-human-rights-record.html?fbclid=IwAR2sPRaLsvAf62lKgBejg1SuFXlnTBHoBJ1JyDWpGjsgP0vR8zxcQ36XLwk
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January 18, 2019 5:59pm
RF

Richard… sorry but that should be an uptick. Boss Hogg fingers.

You are spot on…
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January 18, 2019 6:07pm
- Richard
  
  Just make sure you catch them Hazard boys!
  
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  January 18, 2019 6:55pm
kevn

Appears we got our own little swamp in NZ.
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January 18, 2019 6:12pm
nasska

“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive.”

Poor Cinders. 🙂
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January 18, 2019 6:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s the OI to Matthew Hooton concerning the requested txts.
https://fyi.org.nz/request/9243/response/31466/attach/5/2019%2001%2018%20Letter%20to%20Matthew%20Hooton.pdf
Wonder if he is going to OIA all emails sent to the PM concerning Sroubek’s residency.
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January 18, 2019 6:34pm
secondcumming

Stuffed are reporting that a South Island angler has landed a *World record 25kg (59lb) Trout* …..but has gone into hiding with the monster.

The question *Fish & Game* are asking, “Is did he have a Fishing License?”

Just saying….. 😎
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January 18, 2019 6:49pm
- nasska
  
  If he didn’t have a licence he’s fucked when the Fish & Game Gestapo catch up with him. Recently a Dunedin father had the temerity to take his kids fishing. The son had a licence…..the father didn’t & his daughter who wasn’t even present lost her rod.
  
  …..”The defendant was convicted of taking sports fish without a licence and during closed season…… Judge Turner fined him $700 and imposed court costs of $130, as well as solicitor’s fees of $200.”…..
  
  Yet feral scum get a couple of months home detention for kicking someone half to death.
  
  Go figure!
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/girl-forfeits-rod-after-dad-offends
  
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  January 18, 2019 7:13pm
  - starboard
    
    Good ole Nil Ziland..more emphasis on fish, feral scum get to run riot. Thank fuck Im departing back to Phuket on Sunday.
    
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    January 18, 2019 7:17pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Given your domestic situation, what would you rather do: pay a large fine or do two months’ home detention?
    
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    January 18, 2019 7:20pm
    - nasska
      
      I retired 18 months ago & apart from a few day releases to go fishing I’ve been on home detention with hard labour ever since.
      
      I serve under a cruel mistress! 🙂
      
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      January 18, 2019 7:25pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Keep your dominatrix tales to yourself please, there are children reading this.
        
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        January 18, 2019 7:32pm
  - secondcumming
    
    @nasska
    
    The ODT reporter left out the bit where…..’Judge Turner arrived in court this morning wearing Jandals and a Hawaiian Shirt. He was determined to dispense Summery Justice’
    
    😎
    
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    January 18, 2019 7:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It has also been reported that when dope is legalised that we will be renaming the High Court.
      
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      January 18, 2019 7:33pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Judiciary gets seriously turned on by having the opportunity to hammer someone from the right side of the tracks. They can barely muster the energy to go through the motions with the usual recidivist reprobates they deal with – they know how ineffectual they are being.
    
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    January 18, 2019 8:24pm
mikenmildagain

I wonder how many impeachable offences this would be:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/425967-trump-directed-cohen-to-lie-about-plans-to-build-trump-tower-in
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January 18, 2019 7:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  The fake news purveyors are getting more desperate by the day.
  
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  January 18, 2019 7:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, Fox News has yet to report the breaking story.
    
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    January 18, 2019 7:36pm
- starboard
  
  You just keep wondering mm..with that stupid glazed look on your moosh.
  
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  January 18, 2019 7:38pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Is ‘moosh’ one of you Hagley Park insiders’ terms?
    
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    January 18, 2019 7:53pm
    - sam green
      
      I’ve heard dad4 use it before …”hey starboard – moosh my old fella will ya”.
      
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      January 18, 2019 7:58pm
      - nasska
        
        Poor old D4J…..by now he must have an arse like a broken catflap. 🙂
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:11pm
      - sam green
        
        ???
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:13pm
    - starboard
      
      “Is ‘moosh’ one of you Hagley Park insiders’ terms?”
      
      Your grammar is not flash, mm.
      
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      January 18, 2019 8:40pm
      - sam green
        
        Still – it conveyed meaning aye?
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:45pm
      - starboard
        
        I thinks it is spelt ‘eh’ you stupid boy.
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:56pm
      - sam green
        
        If you’re Canadian. As I said – it conveyed meaning- enough to piss you off at least. ??
        
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        January 18, 2019 8:58pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Not only if you’re Canadian. In this country, aye is pronounced the same as “I” or “eye.” As in “The ayes have it” or “Aye aye, sir.” “Eh” is pronounced the same as the letter A.
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:40pm
      - sam green
        
        Starboard wins the internet with his rapier intellect. ?
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:45pm
      - starboard
        
        Of course stooooopid boy, now go to bed.
        
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        January 18, 2019 9:56pm
Viking2

New Jersey lawmakers reached an agreement Thursday to raise its minimum wage to $15 by 2024.

Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy and the Democrats who lead the state Legislature disagreed over which workers should be included in the wage increase, NJ.com reports.

The new plan would raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour on July 1, $11 an hour in 2020, $12 an hour in 2021, $13 in 2022, $14 in 2023 and $15 in 2024.

Those in the state legislature called for exceptions to be made for some employers, including small businesses and farmers.

“I’m sorry it took as long as it did, but I think we came up with a really good compromise,” Senate President Stephen Sweeney (D) said. “It took forever, but we got it done.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/425959-new-jersey-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour
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January 18, 2019 8:18pm
starboard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/110030931/hutt-hospital-confirms-another-assault-on-nurse

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110027895/teens-arrested-in-waikato-after-what-police-say-was-violent-kidnapping

We know, dont we…
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January 18, 2019 9:03pm
starboard

..and yet more from our violent specials.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110029075/manager-recounts-distressing-robbery-at-christchurch-pharmacy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110022011/man-tasered-at-auckland-international-airport-after-allegedly-threatening-customs-officers

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109914100/sexual-predator-who-abused-troubled-young-boys-jailed
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