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rangitoto

The cultural marxists move against 90 year old James Watson, co discoverer of DNA.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46856779
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January 14, 2019 1:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Watson got on the Nobel disease list many years ago.
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nobel_disease
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:16pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Can’t have one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century having unapproved opinions.
    
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    January 14, 2019 1:18pm
    - Morrissey
      
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      What the HELL are you on about, you clown? Watson talks like Mike Hosking, so he gets the same amount of respect as Mike Hosking—zero.
      
      Watson used to be sharp. At 90, he’s lost it however. What a contrast to another 90 year old—Noam Chomsky.
      
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      January 14, 2019 1:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Some reading for you about your duplicitous hero:
        http://scienceandrevolution.org/blog/2018/1/28/the-mitre-corporations-project-to-use-chomskys-linguistics-for-their-weapons-systems
        
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        January 14, 2019 2:08pm
      - Morrissey
        
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        Yeah, he’s a colluder in war crimes, Maggy. Just like you imagine. And I suspect he also shot JFK. Have you delved into that as well?
        
        Then there’s the matter of the sinking of the Lusitania….
        
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        January 14, 2019 2:11pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Chomsky had an excellent idea about language formation – back in the 50’s – and seemingly now largely disproved. Also very non-PC theory as well as it definitively opposes the “blank slate” concept so beloved by cultural marxists.
        
        Has coasted on the back of that ever since and hasn’t made sense for the past 50 years. Addicted to conspiracy theories.
        
        Watson made a serendipitous co-discovery around the same time, and that discovery remains totally accepted though the field around has changed enormously. Still relevant today, and Watson shows remarkable sense for his age.
        
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        January 14, 2019 2:54pm
      - Morrissey
        
        What the hell do you know about Chomsky, Ed? I’ll bet it’s roughly on a par with what you know about the Occupation of the West Bank and siege of Gaza.
        
        Nothing.
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    From the wiki link,
    
    “.The Nobel disease is the apparent tendency of Nobel Prize-winning scientists to endorse or perform “research” in pseudoscientific areas in their later years, generally (though not always) after having won the esteemed prize for some legitimate scientific achievement.
    
    What makes the term special is the fact that you’d think Nobel laureates (of all people) would be the most resistant to crankery. On the contrary however, the Nobel “disease” underscores the fact that human beings simply aren’t “immune” to falling for crank ideas — accomplished scientists included…”
    
    I also learned that his esteemed colleague Francis Crick was a strong advocate of ” Positive Eugenics” exhorting the wealthy to have large families and pass on their richly endowed genetic inheritance.
    
    Umm not sure where the US President’s family qualifies?
    
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    January 14, 2019 1:34pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I wish I’d never taught steffy girl how to use cut and paste.
      
      Thankyou Kiwiblog for the hidden feature…arriving late means I get to miss steffy girl’s stupidity but
      
      ardern is still a liar.
      
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      January 14, 2019 6:22pm
- Morrissey
  
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  “Cultural marxists”?!!!???
  
  Watson had lost his marbles. You don’t need to be a Marxist to see that.
  
  Did you learn that phrase listening to Leighton Smith?
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:46pm
  - rangitoto
    
    So you are claiming he has a mental illness and should therefore be punished. Let me guess, you are a Greebore voter.
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:05pm
    - Morrissey
      
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      No, I’m pointing out what is painfully obvious, even to you: that Watson was once non pareil when it came to talking about genetic science, but now, when talking about other things, his views carry as much credibility as Donald Trump’s. In other words, he’s way out of his depth.
      
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      January 14, 2019 2:18pm
      - rangitoto
        
        So you want to punish him for being out of his depth?
        
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        January 14, 2019 2:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        ?Morrissey, Morrissey … switch off both radio stations and read for five seconds…
        
        Of course there is a genetic aspect to intelligence. Watson is being persecuted for being a heretic to the current Leftist-Green, Utopian, all-are-equal dream.
        
        Here’s a tidbit from Wikipedia:
        
        “The heritability of IQ for adults is between 57% and 73% with some more-recent estimates as high as 80% and 86%. Genome-wide association studies have identified inherited genome sequence differences that account for 20% of the 50% of the genetic variation that contributes to heritability. IQ goes from being weakly correlated with genetics, for children, to being strongly correlated with genetics for late teens and adults.”
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
        
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        January 14, 2019 4:07pm
- oob
  
  One of my father’s siblings was headhunted by Jim Watson to work at Cold Spring Harbour, and collaborated closely with him for years.
  
  The stories of Watson’s horrific behaviour are legendary, probably the most well-known is his mistreatment of Rosalind Franklin following the Photo 51 controversy. My relative has some astonishing stories of their own and I think the consensus view that Watson is a total prick is a fair one.
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Lots of Nobel Prize winners were/are pricks:
    William Shockley
    https://www.wired.com/story/silicon-valleys-first-founder-was-its-worst/
    
    Richard Feynman
    https://thebaffler.com/outbursts/surely-youre-a-creep-mr-feynman-mcneill?fbclid=IwAR2iHXFz3N0VtkUXoTq_6WtxAnma5q8z0V95vDMSdTE0KcPlsL9H5CoNuOQ
    
    Albert Einstein
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e-einstein-the-galactic-womaniser-rsxf9bkvj3s
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:14pm
    - Morrissey
      
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      Was Shockley, Feynman or Einstein a crude and stupid racist?
      
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      January 14, 2019 2:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Do you know Nothing!.
        
        Read my reference to Shockley, then try this:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAszZr3SkEs
        
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        January 14, 2019 2:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
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        MW, Einstein,
        
        “I am by heritage a Jew, by citizenship a Swiss, and by makeup a human being, and only a human being, without any special attachment to any state or national entity whatsoever.”
        
        Plus ,
        
        “Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
        
        Trendy leftie?
        
        A bit of the cultural Marxist there?
        
        Disappoints?
        
        More here,
        
        https://www.goalcast.com/2017/03/29/top-30-most-inspiring-albert-einstein-quotes/
        
        Einstein in stature vaster by far than a Shockley !
        
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        January 14, 2019 2:40pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Anyway, what the hell do Nobel Prizes have to do with morality? Those idiots on the Committee gave a Peace Prize to Barack Obomber. To “encourage” him, apparently.
        
        The more you look closely at Sweden, the stupider it seems.
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:27pm
- Fletch
  
  This is one of the reasons that Stefan Molyneux was criticized as well, for repeating what Watson is reported as saying. Doesn’t matter to the liberals if it is true or not, just that they are offended.
  
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  January 14, 2019 9:38pm
Southern Raider

Looks like Irish pikey’s are on tour in NZ. Would make a great reality TV show.

That young leprechaun punk looks like a real piece of work.
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January 14, 2019 1:12pm
- The Heat
  
  Wonder if they’ll venture into the wilds of Northland with that attitude? That would be amusing – I doubt they’ll make it back out.
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:16pm
kowtow

I see a story about an “irish” family of tourists messing up a beach and then getting aggressive when confronted.

They’re not “Irish” , they’re “travellers”, a distinct ethnicity ……how can I tell , by the traits that make them a distinctively different group . Large family , louts and abusive when confronted .
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January 14, 2019 1:16pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Those traits are not, I fear, sufficient to distinguish these folk from a family of Irish louts, English louts, Scots louts or whoever.
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Petone louts?
    
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    January 14, 2019 6:41pm
- SGA
  
  huh? Because the Irish are known for their small families and meek manner when confronted?
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:32pm
- cha
  
  a distinct ethnicity
  
  They’re bog standard Micks.
  
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  A new study, led by RCSI (Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland) and the University of Edinburgh, which examined the genetic structure of the Irish Traveller community, has confirmed that Travellers are very much of Irish ancestral origin and, for the first time, gives an objective estimate of when Travellers split from the ‘settled’ population in Ireland. This research, which will help to inform the history of the Traveller community, comes as the Irish State is expected to formally recognise Travellers as an ethnic group.
  
  http://www.rcsi.ie/index.jsp?n=145&p=107&a=10373
  
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  January 14, 2019 5:24pm
secondcumming

The mother-in-law got stood down from her job as *Bingo-Caller* at the retirement village over the weekend. Apparently, “A meal for two with a hairy view” is not the way you say 69.
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January 14, 2019 1:18pm
kowtow

I see Merkel’s diversity dividend paying off , again.

‘The 25-year-old pregnant woman was stabbed during a hospital stay. The perpetrator, an Afghan asylum-seeker, was visiting the woman when the two got into a “violent argument.”‘

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-man-stabs-pregnant-woman-kills-unborn-child/a-47062631
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January 14, 2019 1:19pm
- Scott
  
  Not a single Christian was among the 1,112 Syrian refugees resettled in Britain in the first three months of 2018. The Home Office agreed to resettle only Muslims and rejected the four Christians recommended by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees — The Sunday Times.
  https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/
  
  We need to make sure that this doesn’t happen here. Christians are being persecuted in the Middle East and could legitimately qualify as refugees. When settled in countries like New Zealand they generally fit in well and are extremely unlikely to become radicalised.
  
  Unfortunately Muslim refugees are a different matter altogether.
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:29pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scott, the number of radicalised Muslim refugees here?
    
    Also, there is this lack of consistency by the US President,
    
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/08/13/trump-admits-only-23-christian-refugees-from-mideast-in-2018/#63aa70e08dd7
    
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    January 14, 2019 1:36pm
    - dirty harry
      
      “Ffffaaarrrrtttt”
      
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      January 14, 2019 1:51pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Sorry steffy girl..missed that…howev er
      
      ardern is a liar.
      
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      January 14, 2019 6:43pm
  - Justitia
    
    Scott, this is indeed happening here too. I wrote to the Immigration Minister to ask about the percentage of Christians in the Syrian intake and was advised it was “less than 2 percent”. The Immigration official who drafted the reply claimed New Zealand couldn’t discriminate on the grounds of religion. No, it seems we leave it to the UN to do that and very thoroughly too. The Christians in the Middle East are suffering the greatest persecution of all but we take members of the community which persecutes them instead, and feel very pleased with ourselves. The truth is New Zealand can tell the UN which groups it wants to give priority to under its quota arrangement. We have done so in the past and we can do it now as Australia has recently been doing in the case of Christians and Yazidis who are deliberately bypassed by the UN. Something is rotten in the management of the New Zealand refugee programme.
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:54pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern the liar wants UN “approval” and will fuck us all to get it.
      
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      January 14, 2019 6:45pm
tom hunter

Hi everybody

I don’t usually link-whore but after a decade of commenting at various blogs – mainly Kiwiblog – I’ve agreed to become an author at No Minister.

You can see what I intend to write about, as well as my basic commenting rules here:
In The Beginning

I’ll appreciate seeing some of you comment there also.
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January 14, 2019 1:22pm
- freethinker
  
  Link doesn’t work.
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Try this:
    http://nominister.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-beginning.html
    
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    January 14, 2019 1:57pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Thanks Maggy. For the gain of one quotation mark (“) on the end, the link was lost.
      
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      January 14, 2019 2:11pm
- Morrissey
  
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  Reported for linkwhoring.
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:56pm
  - oob
    
    Come on you lot, give Morri his due: this self-referential humour is pretty funny.
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:17pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Thanks, oob. I’m sure you and the other enlightened souls who upticked my little joke will understand that I did NOT report tom hunter.
      
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      January 14, 2019 5:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  A sample of the stellar quality of discussion on No Minister,
  
  http://nominister.blogspot.com/search/label/Adolf
  
  LOL!
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:52pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From Tom Hunter’s blog post:
  
  I’m pretty much in the David Farrar world, in that I intend to allow a wide-range of raging, argumentative, informed, occasionally aggressive debate to occur. … My best guidance is to put up some examples of what I won’t accept:
  
  THE CRETIN. Prime example here is Kiwiblog’s Dumbest Commentator. I labeled him thus, several years ago. If you’ve been around that blog you will know of whom I speak and as with Voldemort I refuse to say his name. Dozens of mindless, incoherent, infantile comments day after fucking day. Deliberately goading everybody with zero contribution to debate. Often mis-reading what people have said, he’s even applied his classic lines on fellow Lefties who were trying to support him. Yes! That dumb.
  
  Boom!
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Her. Depending on the day.
    
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    January 14, 2019 6:53pm
- Swifty
  
  Good luck to you Tom.
  
  You’re always a good read.
  
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  January 14, 2019 4:10pm
kowtow

Front page of the ODT

‘Gun amnesty call in light of new figures’

Two things come to mind. The media need increasingly alarmist headlines to get noticed and you don’t need to be too smart to be a uni Prof.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/university-of-otago/gun-amnesty-call-light-new-figures
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January 14, 2019 1:26pm
- cmm
  
  Gun amnesties really, really, don’t work.
  
  The bad-uns that commit crimes are not going to give up illegal guns.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:26pm
  - sooty
    
    Yep and they will be the only ones left with guns!
    
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    January 14, 2019 5:18pm
Paulus

Have to laugh again while watching the US media try and tear the US apart.
It seems they want to know whether President Trump said either “Niet” or “Da” to President Putin a one of their meetings.
It is part if the US media conspiracy to try and accuse their duly elected President of being a Russian Spy.
The FBI had announce some time ago that they had investigated in detail many more than 200,000 sites where for a number of years the Russians had done all they could to destabilise the USA in every way possible – usually via social media eg Facebook and say Twitter.
This started well before Trump even became a Candidate. Even before Obama’s time.
Putin decided in his usual wisdom to do whatever he could to create mayhem via the US political system – he is succeeding well and would be very pleased with his endevours as the stupidity of such as the NY Time and the Washington Post becomes more obvious.
Russia is of course not alone as China has experts on millions of sights daily doing the same thing, even North Korea is in on the action.
To watch the Herald copy the Washington Post in its stupidity is in itself a laugh – or rather pathetic.
In media terms times are changing very fast currently – faster than ever before.
Watch these spaces
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January 14, 2019 1:30pm
- EAD_THREE
  
  All this paranoia about the Russian bogeyman running a few adds on Facebook trying to “destabilise” American democracy is so laughable as to make one cry.
  
  Especially when there is a nation within the nation that is so blatant in its influencing of American Politics but to have the bravery to mention the obvious has one labelled as a “crank” or “”loon”❗
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-donors-filling-candidates-war-chests-especially-clintons/
  
  According to latest election filings, Democratic nominee’s 5 biggest financial backers are Jewish; so are GOP rival Trump’s top 2
  
  A nation whose home country is allegedly filled with the most intelligent people on earth yet the poor American Taxpayer is forced to pony up billions upon billions year after year:
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-14/us-provide-israel-record-38-billion-military-aid
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:01pm
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD THREE, Donald Trump and his devotion to Israel must be a very big sticking point for you?
    
    Not forgetting the Jews he has deployed in his own administration.
    
    Thoughts?
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:55pm
    - sooty
      
      Thats a bit rich asking for thoughts, when you obviously have none to fill up the void?
      
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      January 14, 2019 5:22pm
- KevOB
  
  The accusations of treason implicit in the US media is dangerous. It surely is further intended to destabilise the Presidency in the midst of the House showdown.
  
  The stirrers take no responsibility for the outcome just seeking advertising dollars from page filling.
  NZ media, TV1 in particular, are grossly irresponsible. The President has already called out the US media and for us to repeat the worst I have ever heard is to potentially damage our trade relations. We cannot attack a foreign President and not expect retaliation. Do the COL believe they control the world? Does Winston’s selection confer such rights?
  
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  January 14, 2019 7:00pm
anonymouse

Here’s the latest stop on the “privilege” path we appear to be travelling down….

“It’s time to acknowledge thin privilege the way the Left has acknowledged white privilege, class privilege or straight privilege”

“When I speak about thin privilege, I am talking about the advantages that thin people in Western culture experience, such as being assumed healthy and having a wide array of clothes available, as well as a body that aligns with dominant ideas of what is attractive,”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/teach-me/109904561/thin-privilege-is-real-and-its-time-we-acknowledged-it
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January 14, 2019 1:35pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I guess they feel better when they turn their personal failings into my “privilege”. The next time a fat bastard helps him/herself to half the plane seat I paid for, I may just exercise a bit of that privilege.
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:34pm
- The Heat
  
  Ah, the privilege gained by not consuming vast resources. And exercising.
  
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  January 14, 2019 7:59pm
Morrissey

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GROPERS
No. 67: Mariah Carey

“She can be naked around me anytime.” —Daily Mail reader “High-Flyer”, Devon, 5 days ago.

It looks like another one of Mariah Carey’s intensely public breakups is over for good. The diva has reportedly settled with her former manager Stella Bulochnikov, who sued Carey for sexual harassment in April after working with her for about three years.

Bulochnikov’s suit alleged Carey was frequently nude around her and, according to TMZ’s write-up, “did sexual things in Stella’s presence.” The suit also alleged unpaid wages and a substance-abuse problem on Carey’s part. Carey’s rep called the claim “frivolous and baseless.”

https://jezebel.com/mariah-carey-settles-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-1831573482

https://people.com/music/mariah-carey-settles-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-stella-bulochnikov/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6566867/Mariah-Carey-settles-ex-manager-sued-sexual-harassment.html

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

66 more Gropers HERE….
http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/01/gropers-no-67-mariah-carey-jan-14-2019.html
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January 14, 2019 1:41pm
- dirty harry
  
  Linkwhore..reported.
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:52pm
  - Morrissey
    
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    You’d really like to “linkwhore” with Mariah Carey wouldn’t you, harry. You dirty fecker.
    
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    January 14, 2019 1:55pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And again.
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:17pm
    - Morrissey
      
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      Oh, no. You just can’t keep away, Cap’n. You disgusting old man, just keep thinking about Jacinda, will you. Leave Mariah alone, instead of mentally stalking her like some lecherous version of Freddy Kruger.
      
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      January 14, 2019 2:22pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Fuck Morry you’re hilarious.
        But I will say that for such an inoffensive commentator I have great success in winding you up, and I take pride in that.
        
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        January 14, 2019 2:37pm
- Morrissey
  
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  Two Mariah Carey fans have registered with us. I understand how ya feel, fellas, but let’s face it—the probability that she’s going to grope you two is about the same as the probability she’s going to grope “High-Flyer” of Devon.
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:54pm
  - SGA
    
    What on earth’s name are you on about?
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:28pm
    - pentwig
      
      SGA
      the moronicmorris is as mad as a hatter and has the brain the same size as a gnats brain
      willy to match I’m told
      
      not worth feeling sorry for though
      
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      January 14, 2019 2:58pm
      - Morrissey
        
        willy to match I’m told
        
        Told by whom?
        
        Your wife?
        
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        January 15, 2019 11:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:56pm
Dave Mann

Saudi teen arrives in Toronto after being granted asylum by Canada.

The story of this gutsy young Saudi woman Rahaf Mohammed Alqunun who ran away from her family to get away from Saudi’s oppressive regime must be well known to everybody by now.

The news reports have served to highlight Saudi Arabia’s medieval social conditions and obviously the fact that Rahaf is young and beautiful hasn’t harmed the story either. Good on her and what a great result.

However there’s more. One really interesting twist – and probably the most important detail – that this news article points up is that Canada and Saudi are in a serious diplomatic stand-off which pre-exists this affair and has nothing to do with it.

How many people knew that In August, Saudi Arabia expelled Canada’s ambassador to the kingdom and withdrew its own ambassador after Canada’s Foreign Ministry tweeted support for women’s right activists who had been arrested? The Saudis also sold Canadian investments and ordered their citizens studying in Canada to leave. No country, including the U.S., spoke out publicly in support of Canada in that spat with the Saudis. I find this amazing.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/world/rahaf-mohammed-alqunun-arrives-in-canada-after-being-granted-asylum/

I wonder if this young woman will settle quietly in Canada or if she will emerge as a continuing voice against Saudi’s oppression of its own citizens?

Anyway, wherever she goes from here on, good on her for taking this giant leap for freedom.
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January 14, 2019 1:42pm
- secondcumming
  
  I found it both interesting, and disturbing, that the *BBC* actually had a debate on whether or not people should respect this young woman’s decision to leave Islam….
  or should she have gone back to be murdered ?!!
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwjDHj7WwAANk6C.jpg
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:51pm
  - MickMac
    
    Second, that is normal for the BBC and poss the ABC in OZ.
    Not here yet….
    
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    January 14, 2019 8:53pm
- Morrissey
  
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  Good on her, but when you’re looking for bravery in the face of extreme brutality, you can’t go past this lovely and inspirational young woman….
  
  https://www.vox.com/2018/8/3/17639254/ahed-tamimi-palestinian-activist-israel
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:52pm
  - Morrissey
    
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    Three spineless pieces of trash have downvoted these brave young women.
    
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    January 14, 2019 1:58pm
    - rererangihirihiri
      
      make it 4.
      
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      January 14, 2019 2:10pm
      - Morrissey
        
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        One minute later, it’s 7.
        
        Which reminds me: how is Simon Bridges’ polling going? Still stuck on seven per cent?
        
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        January 14, 2019 2:12pm
      - stigie
        
        If the fucking media harassed JacinDuh like they do Simon, she would be on fucking 5% !~
        
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        January 14, 2019 3:13pm
- anonymouse
  
  You can throw in the Khashoggi murder too…
  
  Saudi’s international reputation is taking a fair pasting at the moment, and while they will say they doesn’t care what the rest of the world thinks, any Aramco IPO would likely test that in a very public manner….
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:53pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why are you amazed that the US admiistration prefers to support regimes in Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China and Russia rather than it’s long-standing liberal democratic allies like, Canada, Japan, South Korea and westurn Europe?
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:26pm
  - oob
    
    Fair point well made.
    
    The single greatest threat to the spread of democracy has been -and continues to be- U.S. foreign policy.
    
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    January 14, 2019 3:25pm
- kowtow
  
  Boy though ,wasn’t the Canadian foreign minister a media whore hogging the limelight at the airport.
  
  Meanwhile…….
  
  ‘ Canada: Saudi accused of sexual assault disappears before trial
  Authorities fear Mohammed Zuraibi al-Zoabi, 28, may have left the country with help from the Saudi embassy.’
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/canada-saudi-accused-sexual-assault-disappears-trial-190113100702857.html
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:28pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Boy though ,wasn’t the Canadian foreign minister a media whore hogging the limelight at the airport.
    
    I thought the same. the Canadian woman was flashing like a neon sign in her virtue signalling of the Saudi girl. Kept trying to hug the “victim” who did not seem to want the limelight thrust upon her.
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:37pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Talking about hogging the limelight, heh heh:
      
      https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aR17dZy_460svvp9.webm
      
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      January 14, 2019 3:14pm
- Sacha
  
  If she survives –
  
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  January 14, 2019 6:55pm
skyblue

How many lawnmowers has Clarke Gayford ordered this year?
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January 14, 2019 1:45pm
- freethinker
  
  Please explain the frequent references to Gaylord and Lawn Mowers I am intrigued but uninformed?
  
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  January 14, 2019 1:53pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    “Lawnmowers” are good lines to read between…
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:13pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Classic, waikatogirl!
      
      Next time I have some spare chocolates, I will save you one!
      
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      January 14, 2019 3:16pm
  - Jules99
    
    Some people think that other people have purchased ‘lawnmowers’ from the friendly Czech guy. Allegedly.
    
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    January 14, 2019 2:21pm
    - Inandout
      
      Jules, how about 50% of the Ponsonby cafe set? Cocaine is rife amongst the chattering classes.
      
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      January 14, 2019 4:27pm
  - gump
    
    It’s a reference to this.
    
    There’s a famous quote attributed to Joseph Goebbels – the Propaganda Minister for Nazi Germany – that helps to explain the willingness of Kiwiblog commentators to keep repeating the lie:
    
    “If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.”
    
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    January 14, 2019 3:12pm
    - Philview
      
      What ever the truth is, the Coalition Government have turned this into an absolute shambles.
      
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      January 14, 2019 3:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s ardern’s plan I suppose.
      
      Mind you, she does have trouble getting her lies in order.
      
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      January 14, 2019 8:15pm
Manolo

Will Mueller’s farce ever end?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russia-investigation-could-spark-battle-to-learn-robert-muellers-findings/ar-BBS7JSs
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January 14, 2019 1:52pm
- Inandout
  
  Mueller has a dodgy history, which will slowly be fed into the public domain. Trump can’t rush these things else he will be accused of manufacturing things to aid his case. By the way, the DoomPost cartoon today of Trump by one Jeff Bell is so grotesque it even surpasses the mentally diminished Tom Scott’s.
  
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  January 14, 2019 4:33pm
Captain Mainwaring

Darwin strikes again.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12190022
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January 14, 2019 2:20pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  sad for the families, but the reality is that three future crims won’t be around to hurt law abiding citizens. They were doing 130km/h in an urban area, at least they only hit a tree, it could have been far worse. But as usual, we will have the usual crap of if the police were not chasing them etc. The real victims here are the cops who vainly tried to save the kids. They will have emotional scars for life.
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:57pm
  - cmm
    
    Quite. This sort of activity is not a once-off. If it had not happened last night it would be next week. Thankfully they managed to achieve their exit strategy without hurting anyone else.
    
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    January 14, 2019 3:30pm
  - howitis
    
    I would trust that the so-called Green Party list MP, Julie Ann – ‘zero roads deaths by about ..oh,.. whenever’ – Genter, steps up in support of the tree.
    Will Shame Jones ceremoniously plant a new tree to take its place then donate $500,000 to the nearest Oderings Garden Centre as part of regional development?
    
    The third such incident in 2 months in Christchurch.
    There were two thirteen year olds in a stolen car travelling fast.
    If this is their path at 13 then the future was not too bright.
    Spare me the ‘they were good boys’. They were involved in crime at 13.
    The driver was 16 and there are many who want to lower the voting age to 16.
    I would wonder at the claimed 130 km/hr. It was a Mazda Familia so at least 15 years old and 1300 or 1500 cc.
    
    The 5 December event involved a career criminal at only 25, Dennis Tunnicliff.
    The other person killed along with him in that event was a 35 year old pregnant woman.
    I guess she made one too many bad decisions in her short life.
    Actions have consequences.
    Own it.
    It is nobody’s fault but your own.
    
    Fortunately no one else’s families had their lives damaged by these fools’ actions.
    They hit stationary objects.
    
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    January 14, 2019 4:56pm
GazzaW

I gave Kerre McIvor a fair go this morning. She’s pleasant enough but there’s no X factor there, nothing controversial, nothing to debate and nothing even to think about. She’s just transposed the format from her Agony Aunt evening programme to an Agony Aunt morning programme and brought her audience with her. Nothing for me there so I’m off to 2GB and Alan Jones.
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January 14, 2019 2:20pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m with you Gaz.
  When the topics hot up on the return of the CoL she will turn out to be as useless as a billiard table on a boat.
  
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  January 14, 2019 2:23pm
  - Inandout
    
    Or as Left as ‘light me up’ Marcus Lush.
    
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    January 14, 2019 4:34pm
Happychappy

Three more young teenagers met a fiery death in a stolen car last night in ChristChurch, how long will it take for parents to wake up to the fact their kids could end up being in the same boat if they don’t teach them that stealing cars has consequences that means one way or another you will end up in a serious accident or do time for your stupidity. The trouble with today’s youth is they have no discipline and parents of some want to be out boozing and enjoying themselves instead of looking after and knowing where their children are.
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January 14, 2019 2:21pm
- MCos
  
  “The trouble with today’s youth is they have no discipline”
  
  People have been saying that for as long as I can remember and probably for hundreds, if not thousands of years before that going back to when Adam picked the apple from the tree even though he was told not to by the big cheese.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:11pm
  - Happychappy
    
    MCos are you trying to say that in your day you were allowed to frequent the streets at all hours of the night and your parents let you do this and didn’t know where you were. Because I didn’t have that luxury in my day and a night out then was to the five a clock movie and home on the seven thirty bus or look out.
    
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    January 14, 2019 3:26pm
    - SGA
      
      MCos does have a point though
      https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/
      A sample –
      “…a fearful multitude of untutored savages… [boys] with dogs at their heels and other evidence of dissolute habits…[girls who] drive coal-carts, ride astride upon horses, drink, swear, fight, smoke, whistle, and care for nobody…the morals of children are tenfold worse than formerly.”
      Anthony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, Speech to the House of Commons
      February 28, 1843
      
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      January 14, 2019 3:38pm
    - MCos
      
      I’m not saying that at all, of course, Happy.
      I said people have always grizzled about young, wayward kids. Usually not their own.
      Some people will even admit they were wayward when they young & some people who were wayward when they were young won’t admit it later.
      
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      January 14, 2019 6:37pm
- Biscuit
  
  Happychappy, it’s 3.20pm as I type…
  
  But don’t you just know that on tonight’s One News there will be references to:
  
  1. A police chase
  2. The three deceased being great people
  3. An upcoming vigil in their memories
  
  New Zealanders rubbish the Americans for ‘tolerating’ their gun violence (or certainly not implementing gun control laws worthy of the name), especially in schools, but we seem just as blind as to remedying SKS (Stolen Car Syndrome) here…
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:22pm
- cmm
  
  “The trouble with today’s youth is they have no discipline”
  
  No, the trouble is they don’t get an earlier taste of consequences.
  
  Right now a kid can commit all sorts of crimes and the worst they can get it a talking to.
  
  The first time they really get some push-back is either when they go to prison or wrap themselves around a tree.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:32pm
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A foul blast from the past

NewstalkZzzzzzzB, July 5, 2010

LEIGHTON SMITH: You have a wife?
MALE CALLER: Yes.
LEIGHTON SMITH: Now imagine her being pack-raped.
MALE CALLER: Okayyyyy…

A few minutes later…

SMITH: Got a daughter?
FEMALE CALLER: Yes I do. She was born last year. She’s the apple of my eye.
SMITH: Hrrrrumph. Now imagine in 14 or 15 years’ time, she gets pack raped.
FEMALE CALLER: Y-y-y-y-yeees?
SMITH: Pack-raped. Raped in the worst manner possible. Raped by people you would never let in to your life in any way ever.
FEMALE CALLER: Well, I would…
SMITH: Let me push you just a fraction further. Your daughter comes and lives with you with this errrrrrrr genetically different baby. You
now have this grandchild living with you who would be, ahhhhhmmm, different from you. Genetically. Could you live with it?

Continues excruciatingly, ad nauseam….

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/01/how-this-writer-ie-moi-goaded-leighton.html
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January 14, 2019 2:31pm
- SGA
  
  There have been some people on Kiwiblog who have a “thing” about anal intercourse. Any chance they got, they brought it up, often in some detail. So obsessed with it, they seemed, that I decided that they must have got some sort of vicarious thrill from writing about it (even though they said they were adamently against it).
  
  I’m starting to think the same about you with regards to sexual assault.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:08pm
  - stigie
    
    Well, they say it’s 7 more muscles 10 degrees warmer SGA !~
    
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    January 14, 2019 3:20pm
    - SGA
      
      Do they? Learn something new every day 🙂
      
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      January 14, 2019 3:21pm
      - Biscuit
        
        I’m in your boat, SGA, I’ve never said (or heard anyone say) that.
        
        Dare I, tonight, run that thought past the person I share a cot with?
        
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        January 14, 2019 3:25pm
      - SGA
        
        Might I suggest that an expensive meal, a fine bottle of wine, and an unexpected gift (jewellery perhaps?) could be helpful (perhaps necessary) precurors?
        
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        January 14, 2019 3:28pm
  - Morrissey
    
    The only person getting any kind of thrill from that awful conversation was the perverted and paranoid host of that joke of a program.
    
    I merely recorded it on BASF tape, then transcribed it in fascinated horror.
    
    Your theory is absurd. Do you think that the recorders in a courtroom get a thrill out of transcribing the proceedings of a murder case?
    
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    January 14, 2019 5:36pm
    - SGA
      
      But you aren’t a court reporter who must come across such things as part of their job. You actively seek these out in your own time, record them, transcribe them, publish them on the internet. I don’t know about the “horror”, but the “fascinated” bit rings true.
      
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      January 14, 2019 5:56pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Sound psychoanalysis, my friend. Keep it up!
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:58pm
      - SGA
        
        Sound, perhaps. It certainly seems to fit your behaviour.
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:59pm
  - Morrissey
    
    …some people on Kiwiblog who have a “thing” about anal intercourse. Any chance they got, they brought it up, often in some detail. So obsessed with it, they seemed, that I decided that they must have got some sort of vicarious thrill from writing about it (even though they said they were adamently against it).
    
    Hmmmm… those perverts. Were they by any chance called barsabort or Catnip rain Manigaw?
    
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    January 14, 2019 5:45pm
secondcumming

Just heard some milksop prick talking to another milksop prick on ZB saying, “….it was only a stolen car, a piece of metal, not worth three kids dying over”

God give me fucking strength!!
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January 14, 2019 2:49pm
- Happychappy
  
  SC :The same scenario happens every time, they forget they have committed crime , the old adage comes in” you play with fire you get burnt” and it is easy to blame the police. Why have a police force if you are going to be pussyfooting around with people that steal cars and let them escape and steal another car, they chose to do it so they also chose the consequences.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:17pm
- MCos
  
  Was the car being followed because it was being driven at 130kph or was the car being driven at 130kph because it was being chased?
  
  One thing’s for sure whatever opinion you have on these high speed events someone is going to disagree with you – vehemently.
  However if anyone thinks NZ is better off with these kids dead go and tell their parents.
  
  I wonder what percentage of speeding drivers, I mean really speeding, get noticed by the police.
  I live in a fairly quiet suburban two lane street that would be a kilometre long in a straight line.
  If every driver who drove along there like an idiot at 100 plus wrecked his car there would be a conveyor belt to the morgue.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:52pm
  - SGA
    
    Was the car being followed because it was being driven at 130kph or was the car being driven at 130kph because it was being chased?
    
    On the basis of the article, it sounds like that it was initially chased but the police gave up pursuit because the driving was so dangerous and instead put down road spikes.
    
    16-year-old driver, stolen car – my guess is that the driver didn’t decide to drop to 50kpm once the police gave up pursuit. Could be wrong, but unlikely.
    
    While I genuinely feel sorry for these families, I would feel even sorrier for innocent families who could lose loved ones to this sort of recklessness.
    
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    January 14, 2019 4:00pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      If the police put down road spikes in the middle of a tree-lined road, it is almost inevitable that the speeding car will lose control once its tires are punctured and the vehicle’s momentum will carry it straight into a tree.
      
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      January 14, 2019 5:16pm
      - SGA
        
        Not so sure, Odakyu-sen. Nearly all roads have some hazards – parked cars, trees, power poles, ditches. If it was as “inevitable” as you suggest, then road spikes would be causing serious injury and fatalities very regularly. Maybe someone here knows more than our speculation.
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:31pm
  - starboard
    
    “However if anyone thinks NZ is better off with these kids dead go and tell their parents”.
    
    Yeah..you will probably find them down at the local TAB or pokie machines.
    
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    January 14, 2019 5:31pm
  - The Heat
    
    Police car.
    Lights flashing.
    You pull over.
    
    If you run, Darwin likely takes over.
    
    No sympathy At all. Except for the Police and the medical staff who are forced to clean up after such mindless individuals – who could have very easily killed someone else.
    
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    January 14, 2019 8:13pm
    - Morrissey
      
      You pull over.
      
      What if you’re in, say, Chicago, where the police have a record of murdering black motorists, and you’re black?
      
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      January 15, 2019 11:49am
      - The Heat
        
        Statistics. If you run, you’re significantly more likely to be worse off.
        
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        January 15, 2019 1:33pm
Cobolt24

Three die in Christchurch crash, in a stolen car, one aged 16 and two 13 year olds.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109902537/three-dead-in-christchurch-crash
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January 14, 2019 3:19pm
- GazzaW
  
  Why were two 13 year olds on the streets at 11.13pm? Any fingers being pointed should be directed straight at their negligent apologies for parents not the cops.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:28pm
- starboard
  
  Darwinism in action..again.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:34pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Like I said at 2.20.
    At least we are spared the expense of ushering these losers through the justice and penal systems for the rest of their lives.
    But no doubt ACC will have to pay for their funerals.
    
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    January 14, 2019 3:41pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Hopefully they weren’t cremated prior to their deaths. Something that their dysfunctional parents should reflect on but I doubt they will.
      
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      January 14, 2019 4:00pm
      - MCos
        
        You haven’t got a clue what sort of families those kids came from. They may well have been totally irresponsible, but they might well have been struggling with difficult children.
        It happens to the best of parents.
        I believe Dr Mengele aka The Angel of Death came from a perfectly respectable German family.
        
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        January 14, 2019 4:22pm
      - secondcumming
        
        Not sure the reference to Mengele makes a good comparison. According to an article published in *The Lancet* 2005, “….the experiments carried out by Josef Mengele, although cruel, were among the most radical demonstration of genetic research, conforming to scientific logic at the time, some of which are still relevant to this day”
        
        I somehow doubt we’ll see much written about those who try their luck fleeing the police in this country.
        
        Just saying
        
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        January 14, 2019 4:50pm
      - MCos
        
        “although cruel”
        
        Japanese construction methods, although cruel, were able to complete the Thai-Burma railway on time.
        Not an article I’d expect to see in a Civil & Structural magazine
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:26pm
      - secondcumming
        
        Agree with you there MCos.
        Would be interested to get Odakyu-sen’s take on that comment?
        
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        January 14, 2019 6:15pm
      - Morrissey
        
        “Just saying”.
        
        ????
        
        secondcumming, you’re a fucking imbecile. Have you thought of running for the ACT leadership.
        
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        January 14, 2019 6:17pm
    - secondcumming
      
      Evening Breeno……what’s for dinner at your place tonite – Fava beans and a nice Chianti ?
      
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      January 14, 2019 6:24pm
- Piniwi
  
  Interesting Cobolt24 how the Media party were placing heavy emphasis on this being the result of a police pursuit. The fact is the pursuit was very brief that might indicate a change in police strategy as they called it off after just more than a minute. After running red lights and traveling at speeds over 130km/h chances of stopping were zero. However being many against one they laid spikes in it’s expected path. The result was a serous test of very limited driver skill. It also seems there was a forth person seen leaving the scene which perhaps the CCTV also captured. Sad event for the families loosing those so young.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:42pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  School holidays, weekend. Teenage kids can sneak out and get up to huge amount of mischief without you ever knowing. Parents often have no idea of anything untoward until police show up at their doors.
  
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  January 14, 2019 3:42pm
  - secondcumming
    
    We’ve lived in Remuera for more than 40 years and our kids go to school here….never happened to any parents we know.
    
    Just saying…..
    
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    January 14, 2019 3:50pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Bollocks UN. If parents are doing their job it might happen once but it wouldn’t happen again.
    
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    January 14, 2019 4:04pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Jesus you’re naive.
      
      It happens _all the time_. I know two good families – high achieving parents and all kids now university graduates with successful careers where exactly that happened in 80’s. Police came around to tell parents what their confident and outgoing 12 and 14 year olds were getting up to at 3am on weeknights after sneaking out to wander into town with their mates. These kids were both doing well in school and were happy and pleasant to be around – no outward indicator of anything untoward going on other than (with retrospect) long sleep ins and afternoon naps. A few of my uni mates, smart, well educated and successful also from good families, got up to seriously criminal stuff as young teens. Had been drug dealers, burglars, car thieves, arsonists, taggers – and had turned into adults who hadn’t been caught but regretted their stupidity. Girls are the worst – attracted to idiot bad boys who do dumb shit with them in tow (trying to impress them) as teens.
      
      You have to be pretty close to people before they will tell you about the skeletons in their family life, but almost everyone has them.
      
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      January 14, 2019 4:33pm
      - GazzaW
        
        High achieving parents do not automatically make good parents in fact any cop or teacher will tell you that their jobs can be way more challenging in high decile suburbs.
        
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        January 14, 2019 4:51pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Indeed. There are some dodgy characters about the place. Lock up your teenage girls!
        
        https://www.instagram.com/cjsbishop/
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:50pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Agreed UN, been there, done that.
        Morrissey, fuck off.
        
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        January 14, 2019 8:45pm
      - GazzaW
        
        UN I feel really sorry for those kids. They deserved a far better chance in life than the hand they were dealt. There are far too many falling between the cracks.
        
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        January 14, 2019 9:44pm
  - starboard
    
    “Parents often have no idea of anything untoward “..
    
    They bloody well should. I would call it bad parenting.
    
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    January 14, 2019 4:33pm
    - Morrissey
      
      We call it “Saturday night.”
      
      Sincerely,
      
      The North Shore
      Henderson
      Lower Hutt
      Flaxmere
      Hornby
      
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      January 14, 2019 5:57pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      starboard:
      I call it too asleep to hear 13 year olds slipping out the window at 1 am.
      
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      January 14, 2019 8:48pm
Philview

Interesting to see a Stuff article attacking Winston Peters on immigration. No comments underneath though.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/noted/109910243/winston-peters-in-uncomfortable-position-over-governments-immigration-policy
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January 14, 2019 3:41pm
- secondcumming
  
  Sums things up pretty well in my opinion. Peter’s couldn’t give a stuff now….he’s got what he came for. He’ll ‘accept’ the knighthood, the cushy ambassadorial post and will be nowhere to be seen come 2021.
  
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  January 14, 2019 4:03pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    I’ll believe that when it happens. Peters may have actually gone too far this time but he has the hide of a rhino and will turn up again in time for the next election with his full charm offensive, his list of promises, glib answers, that smile and a twinkle in his eye for his gullible supporters. Watch, he’ll be back!
    
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    January 14, 2019 4:16pm
    - oob
      
      I suspect you’re quite right.
      
      Reading through those Facebook comments there are some extremely upset NZF supporters but it’s worth remembering they are NZF supporters: which means they are inherently gullible. Come election time Winston will sucker most of them in again.
      
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      January 14, 2019 4:29pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I think you’re right wg, but we can only hope that his diminishing band of supporters won’t be so gullible next time.
      
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      January 14, 2019 4:35pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Captain Mainwaring:
        
        they are NZF supporters: which means they are inherently gullible
        
        Does that mean that people like Chuck Bird, who has advised Kiwiblog readers that he voted for Winston at the last election then left NZ First to join National, temporarily lost his marbles then found them again?
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:01pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Peters health might bring him down. Someone very close to him may have to intervene to prevent him from running again if rumours of ill health are true.
        Many elderly are unaware they are not as capable as they once were.
        
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        January 14, 2019 5:14pm
    - Philview
      
      It sounds like the Cannabis referendum will get usually too lazy to vote Labour stoners out in force. At some point the shit will hit the fan with the economy with talk of the Eurozone and China going into recession. I have noted a few comments around the place of people who were tired of National at the last election but somehow didn’t see this shambles of a Coalition Government coming when placing their vote.
      
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      January 14, 2019 4:39pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”the Cannabis referendum will get usually too lazy to vote Labour stoners out in force”…..
        
        Yeah. Thanks National. Your pandering to your idiot, religious, socially conservative pot bangers is going to give us another three years of the CoL mismanaging the economy.
        
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        January 14, 2019 4:44pm
    - KevOB
      
      I agree now, reluctantly. I thought he was finished through health about 3 years ago. He is showing all the characteristics of the gambling personality. I expect Winston to continue in Parliament until health removes him.
      
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      January 14, 2019 7:09pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      …his list of promises, glib answers, that smile and a ~~twinkle~~ single malt in his eye
      
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      January 14, 2019 9:12pm
- MCos
  
  I think what this administration is finding out is that cutting immigration numbers, while the rhetoric kind of slides off the tongue, is not that easy.
  There are all manner of sectors that are short of locally available people power at bargain basement rates . . . . . .
  
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  January 14, 2019 4:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Democrat Senator under investigation for misconduct resigns

http://www.nwnewsnetwork.org/post/state-sen-kevin-ranker-resigns-amidst-workplace-conduct-investigation

https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/sen-ranker-from-orcas-island-resigns-amid-investigation/281-36b00775-348c-4b4a-ba6d-4189bc69079c
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January 14, 2019 4:50pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Maggy, just in case you overlooked it, Senator Ranker is a Washington state senator, not a US Senator.
  
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  January 14, 2019 11:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Cops have charged a 24 year-old woman with the attack on the 92 year-old Kawakawa lady.
Bet Kaikohe Court is busy tomorrow.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/380091/woman-charged-after-violent-attack-on-92-year-old
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January 14, 2019 5:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Wait for the cuzzies to be there in force to give her a big pat on the back.
  
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  January 14, 2019 5:30pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Like the S.S. Trust does in certain circumstances. I don’t know any Maori people that depraved. Do you?
    
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    January 14, 2019 5:51pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Morrissey:
      
      I did a Google search (based on memory) for the following search terms: Maori court “love you bro”. And, yes, it produced the article I was looking for. I (and I assume you) don’t mix in these circles:
      
      There were ugly scenes inside Whakatane District Court today during the appearance of the man accused of Hawea Vercoe’s murder. Family members from both sides had to be restrained and insults were traded.
      …
      Murder accused Isaiah Tai got support from his whanau as he was led into court. … Around 50 people turned up along with a dozen of Vercoe’s family.
      
      The judge refused Tai’s lawyer’s application for interim name suppression. … But as Tai was turning to go, one of his family members shouted “love you bro”, there followed an altercation when members of both families traded insults and some had to be restrained.
      
      Outside the court, Tai’s father said his son is not a murderer. “What, do they think that he just purposely set out to do that thing? Nah, my boy’s not like that.”
      
      Others were more aggressive. “Get those f***ing cameras out of our f***ing faces eh.”
      
      They seem like delightful people.
      
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      January 14, 2019 5:58pm
      - Morrissey
        
        They sound pretty terrible. But they didn’t have a major news organization amplifying their hatred, and pouring contempt and ridicule on the family of the murdered man.
        
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        January 14, 2019 6:15pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Morrissey:
        
        a major news organization amplifying their hatred, and pouring contempt and ridicule on the family of the murdered man
        
        I’m not sure what you mean. Could you please be more specific? Are you obliquely suggesting that the Sensible Sentencing Trust has “pour[ed] contempt and ridicule on the family of [a] murdered man”?
        
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        January 14, 2019 6:21pm
      - Morrissey
        
        NewstalkZzzzzB hosts worked round the clock ridiculing the dead boy and sympathizing with the killer. The most coldhearted of all was Kerre Woodham, who took it on herself to lecture the dead boy’s mother for crying in public and cursing the killer.
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/kerre-woodham-was-here-remember-this.html
        
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        January 14, 2019 9:44pm
      - GoVege
        
        A sizeable section of our society think assaulting people is the normal, acceptable thing to do.
        They probably learned it in their home, watching mum get bashed and being bashed themselves.
        
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        January 14, 2019 10:10pm
      - Morrissey
        
        I didn’t “obliquely suggest” that the S.S. did that, Nostradamus, I stated it for the irrefutable fact that it is.
        
        The disgust for McVicious and his filthy organization was, and is, widespread…..
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/noelle-mccarthy-swallowed-vomit-for-15.html
        
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        January 14, 2019 10:29pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From Maggy’s linked article:
  
  A 92-year-old woman was attacked by two people who then stole property from her address. … Mr Johnston said police were “following strong lines” of inquiry in relation to the second offender.
  
  The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
  
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  January 14, 2019 5:39pm
  - GoVege
    
    What appalling kind of home environment produces young women who break into the home of a 92 year old and terrorize and assault her?
    You’d think this was a 3rd world country or war-zone.
    
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    January 14, 2019 10:14pm
- secondcumming
  
  If I was the judge on this case tomorrow, I’d turn up to court wearing shorts & jandals and dispense summery justice 😎
  
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  January 14, 2019 6:10pm
  - starboard
    
    The offender is a black piece of shit. It needs to be made an example of. Home D it will be, I bet.
    Filthy scum.
    
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    January 14, 2019 6:56pm
Hugh Pavletich

Perth property value declines hit 16% – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/perth-property-value-declines-hit-16/
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Sydney landlords smashed by falling prices and rents – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/sydney-landlords-smashed-falling-prices-rents/
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Get ready for a high-rise apartment bust – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/get-ready-high-rise-apartment-bust/
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January 14, 2019 6:16pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  behind paywall
  
  What’s the point of linking to a subscription-based article that no one can access?
  
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  January 14, 2019 6:18pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Nostra … You are not banned from subscribing . The MacroBusiness Australia guys do a cracker job … on New Zealand issues too … check … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au .
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    In any event, here is some non – subscriber material you may find of interest …
    
    … Excessively high risk planner induced bubble stock …
    
    The Australian dream died alone in an apartment … David Fickling … Bloomberg / Sydney Morning Herald
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-australian-dream-died-alone-in-an-apartment-20190112-p50qzh.html
    
    For people in the US, the American Dream is a vision of broadly shared prosperity, freedom and opportunity. Xi Jinping’s Chinese Dream focuses on rising incomes and national renewal.
    
    Australians once had a simpler aspiration: owning a detached suburban home on a quarter-acre of land. That vision died a while ago.
    
    Back in the 1980s, single-family detached homes comprised about three-quarters of building approvals, and even through the 1990s and 2000s the proportion was still around two-thirds. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    … It is a rough road back to reality … how prepared are you ? …
    
    Definition of an Affordable Housing Market & Affordability Guide – Various Dwelling Types … Performance Urban Planning
    
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
    
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    January 14, 2019 6:33pm
    - Swifty
      
      Reported for repeated linkwhoring.
      
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      January 14, 2019 7:06pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    A downtick for any response to Hugh means that he’s read it, had a wank, then clicked his mouse button with a sticky hand!
    
    (No problem Hugh – just carry on as you were then…)
    
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    January 14, 2019 6:34pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Oh – I see you’ve responded Hugh.
    
    Nostra … You are not banned from subscribing
    
    Perhaps. But when I see…
    
    Full access to the MacroBusiness site is available for $199 per annum.
    
    … I don’t think many people (except those with a specific professional interest) will take up your suggestion.
    
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    January 14, 2019 6:39pm
  - sooty
    
    He’s just showing you that he’s a rich prick and pays the subscription.
    
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    January 14, 2019 7:20pm
- howitis
  
  What a nasty fecker Pavletich is.
  The broken clock that has predicted a market correction for 5 years finally strikes the hour.
  ” Sydney landlords smashed by falling prices and rents ”
  
  Pavletich the Nasty takes glee in that honest people who purchased property in good faith are seeing a decline in value while the mortgage does not decline.
  
  Hugo who cried ‘wolf’ for 5 years is finally correct.
  This shows the true character of this serial pest who jumps on KB with his multi daily posting, link whoring, and answering himself.
  
  Instead of whoring in Manchester St, ChCh sleazy old Hugo comes a whoring at KB.
  
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  January 14, 2019 8:56pm
  - sooty
    
    Go easy on the poor wee man that sits in his little bedsit trying to drum up people to visit his website. It must be a battle between him and morrischancer to get one the visiter per day.
    
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    January 14, 2019 9:34pm
DigNap15

Anyone who shouts out like that in court should be put in jail for a week for contempt of court.
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January 14, 2019 6:24pm
DigNap15

I think the parents of those three teenagers who stole that car in Christchurch should be made to pay for the cost of a new car for the owner, plus compensation.
We are all paying more for our insurance premiums due to idiots like this that steel our cars that we have worked hard for.
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January 14, 2019 6:26pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  For I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation…
  
  But even that arsehole didn’t suggest visiting the sins of the sons upon the fathers – I guess there is something new under the sun after all.
  
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  January 14, 2019 6:44pm
- GoVege
  
  Saw something on the news about crime in Lower Hutt.
  Going by the letterbox design, the address was a statehouse.
  Not only are we paying for hundreds more of these HNZ places to be built, basically because uncaring parents can’t ensure their kids are educated well enough to pay off their own house.
  But we also pay the rates and water for these residences, in addition to our own.
  Is that fair?
  
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  January 14, 2019 8:23pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Their whole world has just been destroyed, they will likely never get over it fully, and they possibly had no idea anything was amiss.
  
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  January 14, 2019 9:17pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Who has no idea
    
    Those kids sounded like shit heads who have been stealing cars and joy riding them for several months
    
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    January 14, 2019 9:52pm
DigNap15

Steeling a car or getting into a stolen car need to have a much higher penalty.
If the penalties are high enough people will not do it.
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January 14, 2019 6:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  So, these kids are dead. Seems like quite a high penalty. What do you want to do now – piss on their corpses or something?
  
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  January 14, 2019 6:41pm
  - starboard
    
    Nope, no need to piss on them. They have paid the price. Move on.
    
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    January 14, 2019 6:52pm
  - Biscuit
    
    No, of course not, mike.
    
    But doing nothing will, as experience has shown re the US School shootings, simply result in more future deaths from the self-same thing.
    
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    January 14, 2019 7:18pm
  - cmm
    
    The point is that there are no low-level penalties any more. Thus kids feel they are above the law.
    
    I’ll bet this is not the first time these kids have committed a crime.
    
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    January 14, 2019 7:37pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  You think so? England used to hang people for theft, but there was still no shortage of thieves at the time.
  
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  January 14, 2019 6:41pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Very few were recidivists though, to be fair
    
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    January 14, 2019 6:50pm
    - GoVege
      
      That was funny, Maggie Pie. 🙂 🙂
      
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      January 14, 2019 8:17pm
Surely Knott

Weird little ad from Young Labour starring cleaning guru Marie Kondo. Did Marie Kondo really give them copyright permission to use her image and slogan, “Spark Joy”. Anyway – Do all the reports from the Working group spark joy? No, give thanks and let them go. Does drug dealing gangsta Czechs spark joy? No, give thanks and let him go. https://scontent.fakl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49896512_1984256488296621_2986092745736585216_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl1-1.fna&oh=fd2304e671e4edce0ce9325e6dafd3a0&oe=5CB75F1A
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January 14, 2019 7:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  And fucking our country beyond repair…absolutely
  
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  January 14, 2019 8:05pm
  - stigie
    
    Stiffy has been quiet today, did he take the day off to go perving at the very young muslim girls at the mall..?
    
    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AJACH5/egypt-alexandria-group-young-muslim-girls-laughing-AJACH5.jpg
    
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    January 14, 2019 8:29pm
    - sooty
      
      Nah. He’s slapped around the ears so much in the last week, he’s been pulled in for retraining by fraser house.
      
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      January 14, 2019 9:20pm
      - sooty
        
        Mind you morrischancer has stepped up and been a bigger arsehole then normal.
        At new year I said that mike would be lucky to see the end of january. Well he has mellowed out and is not just as nasty.
        
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        January 14, 2019 9:29pm
The Heat

No one should be surprised.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/wall-street-s-new-rule-for-the-metoo-era-avoid-women-at-all-cost-20181206-p50kh6.html

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
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January 14, 2019 9:03pm
- sooty
  
  Who would have thunk!
  
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  January 14, 2019 9:17pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  The comments under the article say it all. Eventually, men will only hire men. Interestingly one country that said fuck this about the #metoo movement was Italy.
  
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