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duggledog

The NZ Herald website – and by association the organization – clearly identifies its editorial bias by headlining the WaPo’s response to Trump’s speech, 3 hours after the US President delivered his address to the nation.

“Fact Checks”: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12187853

Lead article? Like the average Kiwi would even give a shit.

I put it to you that the NZH either has twelve year olds cut and pasting, or they are genuinely partisan, because this was clearly important to them to get this out there

The first ‘fact check’ negates the need to read further – and it’s a long, long, stupid list.

But here it is anyway – I abbreviate;

1: ‘The first misleading statement… came in the first sentence… a security crisis at the southern border… even though the number of people crossing illegally is at 20 year lows’

Well let me rebut the WaPo / NZH’s ‘fact check’ which is actually only an observation, on a statement which is only misleading if you cannot think logically.

It’s all a matter of perspective. Is it ‘misleading’ to intimate that 1.2 million down to 400,000 is still a crisis?

It is a crisis because it means the border is porous. If your cancer tumour has reduced by 2/3rds you still have a cancerous tumour. Which is a crisis. So, the WaPo is splitting hairs, not checking facts at all.

2: The fact ‘most illegal drugs seized are found at legal entry points, not the border’, is also meaningless because those are the drugs they… know about. IOW, the drugs they found. The drugs that cross the US / Mexico border, and are not found can’t be measured.

So it’s just stupid.

On and on the article goes.

The ‘fact checking’ is actually a list of pedantic critiques put together by a bunch of outraged spluttering buffoons who would have been sharpening their pencils of hatred before the President even opened his mouth.
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January 12, 2019 8:00am
- thedavincimode
  
  They subscribe to feeds and just print the shit they get without looking at it. Employing a twelve year old would be a luxury they can’t afford.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:06am
- SGA
  
  Lead article? Like the average Kiwi would even give a shit.
  
  The average Kiwi? I don’t know, you might be right. But there seems to be plenty who are interested – both ardent Trump supporters and critics. Trump always seems to generate plenty of comment here, for example. Whatever he may be, he’s certainly polarises opinion.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:11am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The cancer of Islam is spreading – not just the illegals. It is a crisis, and Trump has given the Dems every chance. He will get his wall. I see things happening very quickly, very soon. Drain the swamp. MAGA. Trump 2020
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:29am
  - SGA
    
    Sorry, but what has the wall got to do with Islam?
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:33am
    - fernglas
      
      The people trying to cross the border in the South of the US have swarthy complexions. So do Arabs. Arabs are Muslim. Therefore…….
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:21am
      - SGA
        
        Poe’s Law strikes again 🙂
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:29am
    - MickMac
      
      SGA
      Everything.
      
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      January 12, 2019 11:44am
    - Durden
      
      If you read even MSM reports carefully you will see a lot of Bangladeshis, Afghans, Syrians, Turkish and Africans among those arrested while crossing illegally. That means there is a lot more that are getting past undetected.
      
      Because the US’ southern border is porous, and the Dems are cynically welcoming of more Dem voters, and the people smugglers are smart businessmen — a well known route has been created. Possibility of unlimited chain migration has made the US a prized destination.
      
      Unfortunately politically correct data gathering and reporting from Government agencies means such detailed ethnically analysed statistics will never be made public.
      
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      January 12, 2019 12:27pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Durden @ 12:27PM
        
        “and the Dems are cynically welcoming of more Dem voters, …”.
        
        I have seen comments like this many times at this blogsite. You (and anyone else who believes this) are either ignorant, or mischievous, or perhaps both.
        
        Setting aside felony disenfranchisement (which varies from state to state), the requirements for voting in US federal elections are—
        
        “You are eligible to vote in federal elections if:
        You are a U.S. citizen (either by birth or naturalization)
        You meet your state’s residency requirements
        You are [an] 18 year old. (Some states allow 17-year-olds to vote in primaries or register to vote if they will be 18 before the general election).”
        
        (See https://resources.lawinfo.com/civil-rights/right-to-vote/what-are-the-requirements-to-be-eligible-to-v.html.)
        
        And please don’t come back at me with some sort of nonsensical statement (à la Don the Kiwi) that it is widely known that millions of non-citizens vote in US federal elections. They don’t. Extract from http://time.com/4669899/illegal-citizens-voting-trump/ —
        
        “Non-citizen voting is very rare.
        Multiple nationwide studies have uncovered only a handful of incidents of non-citizens voting. Based on state prosecution records, votes by non-citizens account for between 0.0003 percent and 0.001 percent of all votes cast. Election officials agree that there is no serious problem of non-citizen voting in our elections. The National Association of Secretaries of State, whose Republican-majority membership includes the chief elections officers of 40 states, said they ‘are not aware of any evidence that supports the voter fraud claims made by President Trump.’”
        
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        January 12, 2019 4:53pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      If you took your head out of the sand, you may see something. Then again – wood for the trees shit
      
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      January 12, 2019 3:47pm
  - Liberty
    
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    What Crisis. Suddenly after being totally shafted in midterm elections.
    Trump wants money for a wall.
    So why didn’t Trump get the money when the Republicans had control of the house?
    The Answer is very simple. It is a stupid idea. In the back rooms of power Trump was told to get stuffed by his own party. The USA needs immigrants and if they a illegal they are cheap to employe. That means low cost produce for the rest of the USA.
    Which is enough to drive the deluded socialist into hysterics.
    Unfortunately it is reality of life for a country to prosper there will be some at the bottom.
    The Wall will be just another fail by Trump.
    Surely the Gutless Republicans can get some fortitude and remove the buffoon.
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:02am
    - Ross12
      
      Why is the wall a stupid idea but security checking at US airports is massive ?
      Why do the stupid Democrats go mad about an apparent reduction in airport security with the Govt. closure but in the next breath say boarders are immoral?
      Why have the top Dems changed their minds from a couple of years ago, about a boarder wall/security on the Mexican boarder –all the speeches by Obama, Schumer, Pelosi et al are out there for all to see.
      Trump will get his wall or an equivalent –the Democrats are cracking already because they know that outside of DC the majority of the voters want it (that majority includes a high percentage of Democrats).
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:12am
      - SGA
        
        Why is the wall a stupid idea but security checking at US airports is massive ?
        
        I would assume that security checking at US airports is so intense primarily to prevent immediate terrorist acts on, or using, aircraft (e.g., 9/11) rather immigration issues per se? Not so?
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:22am
      - Liberty
        
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        Why is the wall a stupid idea ?
        Because the world has moved on since Hadrian.
        Mind you Trump does trot around like some feudal Lord.
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:36am
      - Ross12
        
        SGA
        It has to be a number of things : immigration, to prevent terrorist activities, drugs issues etc.
        If immigration wasn’t an issue I presume they would get rid of passport checks.
        
        Liberty
        
        The Democrats agreed on funding assistance for a wall in Jordan just last year. You should pass on your “Hadrian wall” message to them.
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:23am
      - GazzaW
        
        ‘Because the world has moved on since Hadrian,’
        
        The socialists in East Germany didn’t seem to think that the world had move on. The only difference being that Hadrian’s Wall (and Trump’s) were (are) designed to keep people out but the Berlin Wall was built to keep people in the ‘workers’ paradise’.
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Because the world has moved on since Hadrian.
        Seems quite a few places haven’t moved too far from the concept of a border wall.
        
        The construction of border barriers increased in the early 2000s; half of all the border barriers built since World War II ended in 1945 were built after 2000.
        
        35 listed here
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier
        
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        January 12, 2019 1:48pm
    - Durden
      
      ” The USA needs immigrants and if they a illegal they are cheap to employe. That means low cost produce for the rest of the USA.
      Which is enough to drive the deluded socialist into hysterics.”
      
      So why are socialists promoting illegal entry if it makes them go “into hysterics”?
      
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      January 12, 2019 12:54pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Yes whilst I dont agree with so much illegal immigration it is amazing the number of latina maids republicans and democrats have.
        And of course much cheap labour on the farms etc.
        Hypocrites?
        
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        January 12, 2019 3:58pm
      - Liberty
        
        The socialist aren’t against the wall. That’s just crocodile tears . They would
        build the wall tomorrow if given half a chance.
        Where as the Socialist are into controlling the peasants. Trump is more
        they are not white American.
        Typical pinkos totally lacking in any sincerity . Just like our scummy lot.
        Remember the luddites protesting TPP .
        After a minor cosmetic change it was signed in haste.
        The Wall is a really stupid idea. Trump is trying to fix a problem that didn’t
        need fixing. While the democrats will fan the fire to enhance their lefty agenda.
        
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        January 12, 2019 4:55pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Oh boy, the TDS is very strong here today. Some of you lefties hate Trump that much you can not debate, or even think rationally.
    
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    January 12, 2019 3:49pm
    - Batman
      
      Oh boy, the TDS is very strong here today. Some of you Trumpites love Trump that much you can not debate, or even think rationally.
      
      FIFY, Steve.
      
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      January 13, 2019 12:07am
- Paulus
  
  You cannot accept anything from the Washington Post, New York Times and the Guardian as truth.
  They are manipulators of all the data hoovered up by all who use the internet – Facebook particularly where like all the users is collected in multi billion computer storage and then by various algorithms. to produce a version which will be used by the media – worldwide – remember should you look at the Herald look carefully at the bottom of an article in small print where it has come from -usually the Washington Post and we are expected to believe this !
  The cross pollination of hoovered up date by many billion dollar owned companies usually in the the US (Besos of Amazon is worth $200 Billion alone).Remember China, Russia and North Korea, and many other countries do the same.
  Remember every mobile phone call you make is recorded by these multi nationals – then computer washed and broken to represent world wide news.
  Facebook ,Twitter Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Huawei are but a few who mop up and computer and wash everything done on these servers.
  Could go on but time not available – there are some good new believable books available.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:31am
  - fernglas
    
    I fail to see how data grabbing by Facebook means that everything in the Guardian is false. Enlighten us.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:24am
  - EAD_THREE
    
    You cannot accept anything from the Washington Post, New York Times and the Guardian as truth.
    They are manipulators
    
    New York Times: Editor = (((Arthur Salzburger))), Deputy Editor = (((James Bennet)))
    
    The Guardian:Editor = Katharine Viner, Deputy Editor = (((Jonathan Freedland)))
    
    Washington Post:Editor = (((Martin Baron))), Deputy Editor = (((Ruth Marcus)))
    
    And for good measure
    
    The Times: Editor = (((Daniel Finkelstein)), Deputy Editor = (((David Aaronovitch)))
    
    And the funny thing is…. I’ll probably be called the liar for telling the truth by all the triggered folks just for noticing the extraordinary over representation that is not supposed to be noticed in polite company.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:40am
    - fernglas
      
      Those Jews, eh? God, they’re successful. No wonder you envy them.
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:13am
      - EAD_THREE
        
        So Jews represent 100% of the Worlds top 4 English Newspaper Editors & Deputy Editors, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with nepotism, their anti-white hiring practices and their neo-marxist propaganda.
        
        They call that a cohencidence. 🙂
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:39am
      - GazzaW
        
        Why do you feel the need to turn every issue into an anti-Jewish hate fest EAD? You were born in a wrong time and place.
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:35am
      - Lance
        
        @GazzaW
        Ed3 is a few sandwiches short of picnic, if he didn’t have his ‘precious’ hatred of Jews his life would be an empty shell of directionless bile.
        
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        January 12, 2019 1:22pm
      - EAD_THREE
        
        Why do you feel the need to turn every issue into an anti-Jewish hate fest EAD?
        
        Why do you feel the need to turn selected issues into an ~~anti-Jewish~~ fact fest EAD?
        
        There – fixed it for ya ?
        
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        January 12, 2019 4:40pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Fixed it for your own warped ego EAD.
        
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        January 12, 2019 7:41pm
  - wreck1080
    
    So whom to believe? I don’t have the time to research myself.
    
    Please, can someone show me some rebuttal to the linked fact checks…
    
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    January 12, 2019 12:51pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Is it really that important?
      
      Not me. Compulsive obsession is a real disease.
      
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      January 12, 2019 2:19pm
- oldpark
  
  duggledog 8.00am.
  Yes they are in bed with that other bastion of lies and fake news CNN. Case in point CNN has been caught turning down a news story on the USA Border wall . Reasons were the story confirmed how effective the Border wall is.
  Yet not only the biased Herald on their fake news.
  How about Newstalkzb ,Dom Post masquerading as ‘STUFF’ TVNZ News RNZ . In fact all of our so called Mainstream Media so full of sicko biased lying fake news and manipulated facts to suit their secret agendas.
  Maybe it would help NZs if our fake news media started telling the truth and concentrating on some of the news they daily suppress in this country.
  One glaring case in point was the complete ignoring by our so called Mainstream Media probably the number one news story of 2018.
  Leading the charge was the taxpayer funded TVNZ News with 263 so called staff reporting the news. Yes it was Peters and his selected band of ner’do wells Ardern and far left lunatic Green demanding that NZ sign the 24 Islamic Federations Generated UN Migration Compact.
  A decision by Peters and his selected gang of also rans that will affect every man woman and child in NZ. Yet our main news outlets either played it down ,or even decided to ignore it.
  Seems our NZ pack of so called Mainstream Media would rather print fake news generated by CNN and their ilk of what might he happening in USA, rather that tell the truth of what in fact will happen in NZ any time soon.
  Wonder how the rights of NZs and their hard fought democracy is stacking up now since the pest for all reasons and seasons Peters jumped the shark.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:01am
- Jules99
  
  I think they make a big mistake with these lists. Firstly, Trump-haters love them but so what? Trump fans won’t bother reading. Those in the middle might, but to call out Trump for exaggerating numbers of illegals and saying it’s ‘only’ 400, 000 is a big own goal. Your average American is going to say, hey, I don’t want 400,000 illegals coming into the country. Build the wall!
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:30am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh true. What crisis? How about a migrant caravan of thousands (all funded to the tune of millions of dollars by UN agencies and other NGOs) all rushing to illegally cross the border at once and needing the help of the military to repel them? If that isn’t a crisis, I don’t know what is.
  
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  January 12, 2019 11:30am
  - cha
    
    Pumped for the next Democratic president to use emergency powers for a Green New Deal (climate emergency), Medicare for All (public health emergency), and a Gun Control Act (gunshot deaths emergency)!
    
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    January 12, 2019 11:37am
MT_Tinman

I notice the weather in the Northern hemisphere is exceptionally cold while the climate in Australia is producing rather warm temperatures.
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January 12, 2019 8:09am
- SGA
  
  It’s to do with the tilt in world’s axis 🙂
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:12am
  - JibberJabber
    
    LoL, one flat earther has registered a protest.
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:20am
    - JibberJabber
      
      BOL.
      
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      January 12, 2019 8:22am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Lool, stop it, I`m struggling to breathe here ?
        
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        January 12, 2019 8:27am
    - howzit
      
      I get called a flat earther for questioning whether the level of human created CO2 is in fact causing the increase in temperature and if I state that the earth has been cooling for the past 3 years i get laughed at and called a denier.
      
      Global warming/climate change/extreme weather/whatever it is getting closer and closer to being an actual religion. the parallels are eerie
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:06am
      - KevOB
        
        They had to drop being frozen by AD 2000 before. I doubt if global warming will last out another 10 years. There’s not enough money to pay out the $100Bn/year being demanded. Anyway, what are they going to spend it on, electricity to replace their killing dung fires? The bank has turned off funding such improvements. It’s a very closed world to outsiders.
        
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        January 12, 2019 1:12pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The only thing that is tilted is the thinking of the loony left morons who can’t understand weather.
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:31am
    - SGA
      
      No, the world is really tilted on it axis by about 23 degrees.
      
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      January 12, 2019 8:36am
      - Lance
        
        You filthy socialist bastard… how dare you say the world is tilted on an axis.
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:02am
      - SGA
        
        Maybe that’s what Reagan meant by the axis of evil?
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:04am
      - GazzaW
        
        Bullshit SGA. With a tilt that big we would all have fallen off the edge.
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:38am
      - SGA
        
        It’s happening all around you, GazzaW. Some here have already slipped over the edge, others feel as though they are about to be pushed over the edge, and the lucky few are living on the edge. 🙂
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:42am
    - KevOB
      
      Is that the Green and the Standard crowd doing that cycling along earth’s axial plane?
      
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      January 12, 2019 1:18pm
  - greybeard
    
    It’s a bit of a worry actually, it seems to happen about once a year now.
    
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    January 12, 2019 2:00pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  but but but, the science is settled, Stuffed has said as much and everything they print is true, right?
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:13am
  - redeye
    
    Here’s a Stuff headline that might amuse you.
    Ministry of Environment spends $45,000 a month in airfares in the battle against climate change
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109786626/ministry-of-environment-spends-45000-a-month-in-airfares-in-the-battle-against-climate-change
    Policy experts were sent on 116 individual international trips – to countries including Korea, Jamaica, Germany, France, Africa, Canada, the United States and China.
    
    What a lark FFS.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s some pretty pics of the last few days’ snow
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2019/jan/11/parts-of-europe-blanketed-by-heavy-snowfall-video
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/11/heavy-snow-brings-chaos-death-germany-austria-alpine-12-killed-weather-related-incidents
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:49am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Any word on whether there will be snow in the Sahara desert, again this year?
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:13am
  - KiWombat
    
    I note that Metservice is predicting we will get snow down here tomorrow night.
    
    Can’t imagine it will be anything writing home about though !
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:35am
    - GazzaW
      
      Was the Metservice spokesperson a Kiwi? Anyone remotely connected to climate issues in NZ these days seems to hail from California or points east.
      
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      January 12, 2019 11:42am
      - KiWombat
        
        Its actually on the Metservice site. In the rain prediction chart for tomorrow, it is showing rain which may fall as snow south of Hokitika, and around the Remarkables.
        
        We’re south of Hoki – so will check the back yard Monday morning. Just by the by, the “back yard” to which I refer heads quite a way up into the alps, so won’t be surprised either way !
        
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        January 12, 2019 4:58pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Global warming bro – You can stop global warming by paying 10% extra tax on your income called Green Tax.
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:47am
artemisia

Matthew Hooton in Metro (and in the Noted link below) –

Crunch time: Jacinda Ardern needs to step up to the plate in 2019. It’s time for Jacinda Ardern to make the hard decisions.

Mr Hooton is not wrong. All those working groups and experts are now starting to report back. All with their own, usually narrowly focused, POV. Somehow the government is going to have to cobble together a coherent strategy that meets and – rather importantly – funds plenty of the recommendations their handpicked experts came up with. All within their announced policies of course.

Kindness is not going to cut it as the chief policy driver.

http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/jacinda-ardern-needs-to-step-up-to-the-plate-2019/?
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January 12, 2019 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  And if the princess doesn’t ‘step up’ there is absolutely nothing we the people can do about it. We have to wait for the next election.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:17am
  - ldypen
    
    She can not step up with out the PM’s approval, and Winston is too busy to bother with her right now.
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:40am
    - pdm
      
      Its okay – Jonesy is holding the fort as duty minister.
      
      May God please defend New Zealand!!
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:04am
  - freethinker
    
    Maybe not, keep an eye in events in France, Micron is looking fragile as his Police are being set on fire, one ex Minister reckons Police should use live rounds to control protesters and another Minister fleeing to he safety of a Govt building finds the protesters breaking the doors down with a forklift. Yellow vests now in 23 EU countries, an idiot cop in Holland arrests a pram pushing mother for refusing to remove her yellow vest and Micron threatening draconian laws to stop protests not “Officially pre approved” a number of countries forming alliances to screw the EU Kommisars, of course you already know all this as its been so widely reported by our MSM – not!
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:41am
- The Heat
  
  “After nearly a year of work, 400 meetings and public forums with community and stakeholder groups, and over 5000 formal submissions, the six-strong Government Inquiry into Mental Health and Addiction presented its 200-page report in October, outlining its 40-point strategy for reform.
  
  The government reacted by sitting on the report and forming a 21-strong Mental Health and Addiction Health Sector Leadership Group (HSLG) to advise on how it should respond: a working group to evaluate a working group.
  
  The HSLG will hold its own regional and local forums in 2019. It will “channel perspectives, views and feedback” from a range of voices, “gathering feedback, collecting our thoughts and formalising our response to the inquiry findings”.
  
  Only then will it “begin development of the longer-term plan to deliver on the direction agreed by cabinet to respond to the recommendations of the inquiry”.
  
  This is pathetic. Can there be any other social service where everyone so strongly agrees the previous government failed completely and which demands immediate action from Ardern’s team?”
  
  Truly pathetic. A Yes Minister script writing itself.
  
  Hear this, Labour. It all comes back to productivity. These services need to be paid for and, no, you can’t do so by extracting more blood from a stone. You must grow.
  
  You have no clue how to do this. Solve this, and the rest solves itself.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:23am
  - srylands
    
    Yes it is pathetic. Unfortunately there are not many votes in mental health. Not like “free” tertiary education.
    
    I have had much to do with mental health services in Wellington in relation to a family member. Their business revolves around stopping suicide where they can, using medication, and getting the person out the door again. The support services are an illusion. Promised but they never appear. Next to no psychologists or counsellors. No trained workforce. The support workers who do exist are over stretched and paid less than $20 per hour.
    
    I could go on. 10 percent of the cost of “free” tertiary education could have made a big difference.
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:44am
  - howitis
    
    These critters in the top echelon of this COL Govt have not had real jobs so don’t know about delivering actual results.
    Most were in professional yik yak organisations.
    Life consisted of Yakety yak, remits, submissions, symposiums, internal bitch sessions, and Feelz.
    
    >Ardern – no real job
    >A. Little -Unions, so actively anti-work
    >Robertson – no practical financial management or training – only exposure to finance was his father who was a crooked accountant that did jail time .
    >Twyford showing years at dodgy OxFam is no substitute for real world experience.
    Go through the list. Possibly the only one from actual commerce is Parker and we know how he conducted business ..and his private life when his mate was crook!
    
    There is no skill-set in Cabinet for delivering on time and on budget where there is adversity for not delivering.
    This is no co-incidence.
    These low energy critters ( aka. work shy) have deliberately avoided the real world.
    Mostly ensconced in NGOs, student organisations, unions, pressure groups, and political organisations from day one.
    Even if they had worked in line management at a Govt Dept requiring deadlines and deliverables – as Bill English did- they would have had exposure.
    They chose not to and this is the result.
    
    This COL is the result of work shy people voting in work shy permanent politicians.
    You can’t make a silk purse out of a Jenny Salesa
    You can’t make a silk purse out of a Lies- Gallopaway.
    
    This is as Good as it Gets until there is a change of Govt.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:04am
    - Ruahine
      
      “professional yik yak organisations”. That is gold. So true.
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:46am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Disagree. Hooten is wrong about the SLG.
  
  She can keep on operating exactly the same as she has. The core Labour vote will keep on turning up and the MSM will keep on looking the other way whenever she screws up. The big thing for the loons on the left is that so long as she keeps on saying mindless babble like:
  – Kindness
  – Fairness
  – Look at my baby
  They’ll keep on believing that she is the caring face of government – the facts are just a meaningless corrollary when put against the lifetime of brainwashing from school to the TV to the papers to the now heavily censored social media.
  
  Hooten would be much better placed to use his time wondering when his bestie Soimon is going to grow a pair and get on the anti-globalist bandwagon (my suspicion is that a little bit of Soros money is finding it’s way into the mix and Soimon is just another one of his puppets)
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sad, but true.
    
    Our job is to keep the narrative going through social media. You will get extreme abuse from dorks like gump, steffy, marquess but do have soe sympathy fpr them as they going to lose their financial crtch all too soon.
    
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    January 12, 2019 2:32pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  She made the hard decision bro – stopped oil and gas exploration. What else do you want? Give her a break.
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:48am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I want Oil (petrol) for the car and gas for my home heating in 10 years.
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:52pm
- Paulus
  
  Heard a story yesterday that Ratana Church Maori are not happy that their Princess Di will not be at their festival this year in that she will be in Switzerland for a photo fest.
  They expect her to serve their version of Mamon first.
  
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  January 12, 2019 11:16am
  - GazzaW
    
    Will Air Force One make it as far as Geneva?
    
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    January 12, 2019 11:48am
  - KevOB
    
    Arrogant and ignorant. Ardern would be honoured at Ratana. In Davos she has no standing and may well be put in her place again. Among the accomplished she has waiting-on-them only rights.
    
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    January 12, 2019 1:25pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Off to Davos huh
    Must be another waitressing gig.
    
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    January 12, 2019 2:04pm
Inandout

Jim Acosted from CNN was walking along the steel border wall section and commented on ‘how quiet it was with no illegal immigrants’. The dishonest bastard was at a secure section of the border wall where no illegals can enter anyway. The guy is an imbecile and disliked by most of his co workers.
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January 12, 2019 8:11am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  That blew up in his face on social media. Many parodies made with talking pictures LOL.
  See The United Spot
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed; all he managed to do was amplify Trump’s point that a wall will keep illegal immigrants out.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:08am
JibberJabber

https://www.rt.com/news/448614-locust-swarm-plagues-mecca/

Saudi officials said that the insect invaders were identified as ‘black grasshoppers’ and that their invasive descent upon Mecca was migration-related.

Oh my, quite the metaphor for what`s happening on another part of the Planet.
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January 12, 2019 8:13am
Paulus Gnome

The negative downticker tosspot is up early today . . . .
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January 12, 2019 8:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Missed one there bro’ . . .
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:15am
  - harvey wilson
    
    I love a leftwing losers downtick first thing in the morning, it means they have no counter argument and smells like victory.
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:19am
- GazzaW
  
  Probably a new recruit training for the steffie squad.
  
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  January 12, 2019 11:50am
Happychappy

I see our bias excuses for Journalist’s have given opinions on their views of what will happen in NZ Politics for 2019 with most relaying the same message that Judith Collins will start her quest to roll Simon Bridges for the Leadership of the National Party early in the year according to the Heralds Politica Commentator and wannabe Journalist Bryce Edward’s. So it appears the Left will continue to try to persuade National to act and behave like Labour did in the entire period of opposition from 2008 – 2017.
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January 12, 2019 8:16am
- Notsofast
  
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  Collins is the the most vile politician NZ ever produced. Her disgusting reaction to innocent people thrown out of their houses and who had their possessions destroyed in the P hoax should be focused on.
  She was busted for never reading the Ian Binnie report before renting the porn judge to do a hatchet job and avoid the obvious truth.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:31am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Triggered.
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:34am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      CDS
      
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      January 12, 2019 8:35am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Well Collins never butchered her family with a tomahawk so she’s already a better person than your mate.
    
    The odds on anyone but Bain killing his family are about the same as a one legged cat burying its turd in a frozen pond. Let it go ffs.
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:37am
    - Notsofast
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Except Robin was killed with one bullet at point blank range with a trajectory precisely conforming with self delivery with a gun butt on the floor and left hand to the trigger. Good planning David not. You are a brainless lot.
      
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      January 12, 2019 8:44am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Wrong , I have even more contempt for your opinions on the hatchet man if you can convince yourself of such nonsense.
        
        You are a study in cognitive dissonance.
        
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        January 12, 2019 8:49am
      - Notsofast
        
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        Not at all. I always give exact evidence to support a theory, never rebutted once on this great message board.
        Not once, which is why the shit is about to hit the fan in Wellington.
        
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        January 12, 2019 8:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        Notsofast, never rebutted? Heaps of examples such as ,
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/c_k_stead_on_the_bain_case.html
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:41am
      - Notsofast
        
        So big swinging dick CK Stead is a crime analyst? Absolute baloney, that is the most infantile diatribe I read in years. (DPF might consider reading Joe Karam’s books cover to cover)
        
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        January 12, 2019 12:37pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      … are about the same as a one legged cat burying its turd in a frozen pond …
      
      Those are certainly not good odds.
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:12am
  - lilman
    
    Fuck the P users,like I care,they can go and die under the nearest tree.
    They are the shit of NZ./
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:50am
    - Notsofast
      
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      Non P users were thrown out by Collins and her cabinet. That is innocent people. That cabinet was a weapon of mass social destruction, just look around at the wreckage.
      
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      January 12, 2019 8:54am
      - Inandout
        
        Innocent my arse. Most of those dwellers are the shit end of society, and the bane of decent landlords who kicked them out through non payment of rent and smashing up rentals. Fuck them.
        
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        January 12, 2019 9:14am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Bull shit
        The argument wasn’t about whether or not ‘P’ contamination was found (it was) it was whether the levels were dangerous or not.
        The EXPERT opinion at the time was that the levels found were dangerous.
        NO people were evicted from state houses, where levels of contamination were lower than the threshold.
        
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        January 12, 2019 9:17am
      - artemisia
        
        I am quite sure some non-P users were evicted from state housing. This would be because of a breach of tenancy. The tenant may not have used P in the home but allowed other residents or visitors to do so, resulting in the contamination standards at the time being exceeded.
        
        No worries, they can smoke up as much as they like now without being evicted, though they might have to pay (a lot) for decontamination. Good luck with getting paid for that, taxpayers.
        
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        January 12, 2019 9:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      As are those that create and sell it.
      
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      January 12, 2019 2:37pm
  - Komata
    
    Notso
    
    You don’t like her then?
    
    (Asking for a friend).
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:02am
    - Notsofast
      
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      She disgusts me. She cackles incessantly as a substitute for manners.
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:09am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Given your daily display as an incompetent judge of the human character and a constant drooling over some of NZs most heinous killers, I probably should put some money on Judith for a Sainthood in next years New Year honours at the TAB.
        
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        January 12, 2019 9:25am
      - Notsofast
        
        If she is a heroine for this board you are selecting the only candidate of truly bad character we have encountered. Look at the pipeline coverup, the chinese board scandals, it is pretty intense her lack of morality. New Zealand descends as her fortunes appear to rise.
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:00am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The pipeline cover-up? Oh for goodness sake Notsofast, that was so big a crazy conspiracy theory that not even Bomber Bradbury would go near it. It was nothing to do with Collins or her husband.
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:12am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Ooohhh! Good troll LOL.
      He took the bait, hook, line and sinker, and most of your arm!
      
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      January 12, 2019 3:57pm
  - kowtow
    
    Not “their” houses.
    
    Taxpayers’ houses.
    
    Don’t smoke or allow others to smoke illegal drugs in taxpayers’ property and you won’t be evicted.
    
    Simple .
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:32am
    - Notsofast
      
      Don’t encourage P by incinerating organic cannabis as John Key and cabinet did as policy.
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:09am
      - kowtow
        
        John Key must really have super human powers if he can get people to smoke P .
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:12am
      - Notsofast
        
        Yep, he watched the gangs close the tinny houses and import P from China to create addicts.
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:14am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Notsofast , see that on the horizon? That tiny speck , quick mate it’s disappearing fast …..oh it’s gone .
      
      Bugger , that was your credibility.
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:38am
      - Notsofast
        
        All fun and games till someone loses an eye. That is New Zealand today, people are blind to the hoaxes they support.
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:47am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Fruitcake, get your fruitcake here.
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:07am
    - Fletch
      
      Right. I think this guilt over evicting P users is misplaced. They were right to do so in the first place. The fact that they’re now having to compensate them is bullshit.
      
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      January 12, 2019 11:38am
  - igm
    
    Notsofast: Collins is not in the same vile league as that harridan Adern and her cohort Peters. They are the lowest most detestable politicians to ever attempt running this country and the scum arse bastards are not even elected. It is showing and I hope you are one of the most affected leeches when they fail.
    
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    January 12, 2019 11:09am
    - Notsofast
      
      I voted for dear Jacinda but never again after her disastrous blunder in the chief justice appointment.
      She will soon bitterly regret this move.
      
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      January 12, 2019 12:40pm
      - secondcumming
        
        That might well be your opinion…… *Kim Dotcom* thinks it was a great move 😎
        
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        January 12, 2019 1:00pm
- peterwn
  
  I am not that sure Judith would be a popular choice as leader among the caucus. Even if she had leadership aspirations she would probably have difficulty getting the numbers. Of course MSM just love a leadership spill. Done so for years like when journalists started to write articles saying Kiwi Keith should be retiring.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:19am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  National will not win 2020 whoever leads it. So Judith won’t make her move now. Tooth Fairy and Frog Shaw will form the government. NZ First won’t make it.
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    And then you woke up…..nope, still fast asleep it seems.
    
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    January 12, 2019 2:40pm
duggledog

I thought Mr Hooten was really rather good on Newstalk ZB this week.

He is not a natural broadcaster but was actually a lot of fun especially yesterday when he was having a bit of a laugh about the French fellow who believes women over 50 are undateable.

If I were in a position at Newstalk ZB I would give him his own show, well ahead of the appalling Kerry Woodham. Management will discover the fruits of their poor decision this year. If I were Kerry I would have a Plan B
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January 12, 2019 8:16am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  This is Woodhams Plan B. The master plan was to fill the vacuum that is Sillary Barry with her own equally innane vacuum and rule the screens.
  
  Advertisers on both mediums must be some sort of masochists if they stay to watch the audiences go to . . . well anywhere but their shows.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:22am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Thanks to podcasts i haven’t listened to the radio in years, I’d rather shave my head with a potato peeler while chewing on tinfoil than listen to Woodham or Barry.
    
    Whats with the medias weird fascination with Anika Moa? I’ve yet to met anyone who thinks she has any discernible talent outside of singing and she seems to have no filter/or is drunk everytime she’s on camera.
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:28am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      ‘shave my head with a potato peeler while chewing on tinfoil than listen to Woodham or Barry.’
      
      Excellent! Such an image!
      
      Moa? Tattooed maori lesbian, ticks all the right boxes (understand she has a club foot to get the disabled tick as well)
      
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      January 12, 2019 8:32am
      - Fletch
        
        I can’t stand Moa. Her liberal mates in the media seem to love her though, and wheel her out whenever someone is on leave so she can yuk it up and bring her level of crassness to the show.
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:41am
    - Inandout
      
      harvey, when does Leighton start his podcast? I avoid ZB now in the mornings, but really liked Miles Davis in the evening fill-ins.
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:17am
      - harvey wilson
        
        No idea about Smiths podcast , I don’t listen to many kiwi ones.
        
        Having said that Black Hands is world class , stuffs podcasts and long form articles are for the most part good and make the rest of their content look even worse in comparison.
        
        Try American scandal or the slate podcasts about the various presidents, really well done .
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:24am
      - Morrissey
        
        You don’t think Miles Davis is a bit…. thick?
        
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        Oh, I forgot! It’s NewstalkZzzzzzB.
        
        As you were.
        
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        January 12, 2019 7:47pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Thank you tosspot.
    
    Who reads the posts to you? Oh , I see, you don’t actually read anything, just into pushing red buttons, a bit of a knob fixation coming through there, bro’
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:28am
  - pdm
    
    Off switch to be activated from 9am Monday!!
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:31am
  - GazzaW
    
    My choice of poison to replace Leighton will be podcasts and Alan Jones’ breakfast programme on 2GB. I have heard that senior management at NZME is a tad concerned about McIvor and that ratings will be under very close scrutiny. What an inept choice though – Kerre is nice enough but A) she ain’t no Leighton and B) her audience’s conversational abilities is limited to marmalade recipes and cotton nappies. I predict that advertisers will vote with their feet. If they haven’t already done so,
    
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    January 12, 2019 12:03pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Kerry Woodham is a Labour party supporter. That is why she gets a slot.
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:55am
  - sooty
    
    Been allowed to hold and have photos with squirrel?
    
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    January 12, 2019 12:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Born with it I think.
    
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    January 12, 2019 2:43pm
harvey wilson

Morrisey thoroughly embarrassed himself the other day so took to the standard to vent his spleen/try to save face , this was the response of one of the npcs there comparing the right vs left

“The[sic] are mostly blowhards who just want to pass an opinion, irritate, get superior. TS has a destiny to be a pretty serious discussion about our society, our environment, and what we can do about it. There isn’t time for too much fence sitting, and time-passing. Being on TS isn’t a replacement for a pub discussion.

That’s the difference between the RW, who are either ascetic in pursuit of profit, or hedonistic at the core, and the LW who can be ascetic in pursuit of higher wages etc and hedonistic, but can be dragged back by the remaining values to the people that they have, so that the betterment of society and compassion can be inserted in Slot B; and sometimes up to A”

Whoah. That sort of self regard isn’t particularly healthy , then again posting on the standard isn’t something a healthy well balanced mind would typically do.

Anyway I’ve been trying to come up with a positive contribution from the left over the years and it boiled down to the fact their ineptitude while in office always leads to someone awesome having to follow behind to repair the damage they have wrought . For example

Carter- Reagan
James Callaghan-Margaret Thatcher
Helen Clark-John Key
David Caygill-Ruth Richardson
Muldoon-Roger Douglas

So there you go, the lefts gift to us over the years has been to give us incredibly effective leaders and finance ministers to pull us out of the mire of their creation, looking forward to the next government after the coalition of the damned collapses in the usual fashion of anyone foolish enough to trust Peters.
Thanks in advance lefties.
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January 12, 2019 8:17am
- harvey wilson
  
  Got a downtick too! So stoked, I feel like Lt Col Kilgore after covering a hillside in napalm.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:24am
  - Biscuit
    
    harvey, I just a look.
    
    Astonishingly, there are over a dozen posts in General Debate today that have yet to attract even a single downtick.
    
    I dunno, you really expect better things from the folk involved, right?
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:52am
    - harvey wilson
      
      No that’s the problem with being that far left, step out of line and they turn on you. Easier just to be an npc .
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:01am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Loving the downticks , lets me know I’ve hit a raw nerve and in all likelihood bang on .
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:40am
      - Biscuit
        
        Think of it as you performing a public service, harvey.
        
        Every downtick you ‘acquire’ means a moment has passed where some enraged reader hasn’t taken his frustrations out on a partner, a child, a cat…
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:07am
cmm

The longer the US federal shut down continues, the more people will realise that they can get along fine without many of the bloated federal services.

Maybe it’s all a cunning plot to reduce the size of the federal government?
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January 12, 2019 8:26am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  It is fun to watch the Dems implode. The Unions are starting to make noises – they will be breathing down the necks of Nancy and Chuck soon. All good coz some of those who are now not getting paid will leave the plantation and never return. This Trump dude is a smart cookie
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:41am
  - Fletch
    
    And the thing is, Trump is not even asking for that much money compared to total govt spend. As Fox points out –
    
    In 2019, the federal government will spend a whopping $4.407 trillion. Yet Congress and the president are shutting down the government in a dispute between the $1.3 billion the Democrats have approved for border security and the $5.7 billion the president is demanding — precisely 0.0998 percent of the total federal budget. In Washington, that is considered a rounding error.
    
    The article goes on to mention that Dems all agreed to fund a wall some years ago, including Pelosi, Obama, Schumer, etc. They are only against it now because Trump is for it.
    
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/marc-thiessen-this-is-the-stupidest-government-shutdown-in-us-history-when-will-dems-get-smart-about-it
    
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    January 12, 2019 11:45am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right Fletch made even more clear when the Dems history with their wall intentions that would have costed as much or more for what was looking more like a “virual” wall.
      
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      January 12, 2019 1:41pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      No matter how good the wall will be economically, the Dems are spiteful, they think hating Trump will get them votes.
      Does not seem to be working, and that is a good thing
      
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      January 12, 2019 4:03pm
- gump
  
  Are you talking about American farmers who can’t access the Federal loan programs they need to purchase seed, diesel, and fertilisers?
  
  It’s hard to grow crops without them. Who knew?
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:06am
  - gump
    
    Or were you talking about air traffic controllers who aren’t being paid for their work guiding planes through American skies?
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    Build the wall.
    
    Job done.
    
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    January 12, 2019 2:45pm
- cha
  
  Or the multiple government websites rendered insecure or inaccessible.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:45am
Nostradamus

An ideal companion for Stephieboy?

Woman went on one date, then sent man 159,000 text messages

12:02pm: Stephieboy, why aren’t you home?
12.05pm: Hello Stephieboy?
12.06pm: Do you like my small but ample breasts, Stephieboy?
12.07pm: Waiting for a response, Stephieboy.
12.08pm: Stephieboy, since you’re obviously at St Lukes, can you get some milk on the way home?
[Continued…]
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January 12, 2019 8:27am
- harvey wilson
  
  Slight correction, they weren’t small but ample
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:29am
- Longknives
  
  I could see Stephie licking a doorbell!
  
  https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2019/01/10/man-who-licked-doorbell-for-three-hours-wanted-by-police/
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:33am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Ha! that’s what happens when you do drugs. Don’t do drugs and you won’t have a doorbell fetish
    
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    January 12, 2019 8:43am
- RW Capitalist
  
  This can’t be true
  GOATS
  don’t have opposable thumbs.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:23am
- G152
  
  Wrong. Goats cant text
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:35am
duggledog

I often wonder what NZ Inc would look like had the GFC and Christchurch not happened.

I remember posting way back that I thought these two events (plus the titanic mess left behind by Clarke / Cullen) would give Key, with his massive political capital, the excuse a true centre right Government would need to address the awful social problems we increasingly still have.

Just one thing he could have done was to limit the DPB to first child only. Not enough money. The vast majority of kiwis would have gone with it, understood and it would be entrenched.

But no. Roger Douglas saw his opportunity and acted swiftly, NZ would be completely broken by now had he not.

Ah well.
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January 12, 2019 8:29am
- Philview
  
  I have a police officer friend who has talked before of the gangs running baby farms. They do this to harvest the DPB and the women and kids have a miserable existence hence NZ leading the world in domestic abuse. The left’s answer is to pay more so this will increase the incentives to bring more women into the loop and more babies and more abuse.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gangs have slow-downs; they can’t rely on their distributors to the beautiful people to always be on deck… especially when some are off taking Yoga classes for 5 years or so.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:25am
    - Philview
      
      Good point Maggy. The COL are doing their bit to reduce down time by letting them do their yoga classes at home. The COL have changed the law so that the mothers don’t have to name the father. The reason for this is that it shows that hundreds of children have the same Dad which draws attention to a problem.
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:38am
    - SGA
      
      Gangs have slow-downs; they can’t rely on their distributors to the beautiful people to always be on deck…
      
      I’d always imagined that the gangs have a diverse range of products and deliver to a wide range of clientele.
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:50am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Philview as the unintended consequences Labour have continually created with their policies. While it could be made even worse if any weight is given to a suggestion for more expanded definitions of murder were to be adopted. Already the judicial system is failing to enforce the laws of the land by being over considerate for the law breakers resulting public uproar about so many soft outcomes.
    
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    January 12, 2019 2:12pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The UK is introducing a 2-child limit for tax benefits
  https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/28/two-child-policy-costs-families-thousands-financial-support-figures-show
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:30am
  - artemisia
    
    There is already a cap on UK benefits, rationale being that non-workers should not get paid more than workers.
    
    Should happen here. Not likely under this government.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:34am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Wait until they announce WFF for dole bludgers just before 2020 election and the drunken dwarf defending the move with his life.
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:58am
  - DigNap15
    
    Good idea.
    But it would be better to say if you have any children, then sorry there is no benefits.
    Don’t breed if you can’t afford it!
    Breeding is not a job or career path.
    
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    January 12, 2019 4:28pm
DifferentPerspective

The Millenials

After watching the following clip, I realised I was all wrong about millenials – it’s going to be safe to leave the world in their hands. With this shining example of a soon to be millenial voter expressing their philosophy so clearly and honestly – I look to the future with my heart full of optimism (NOT).

Imagine all the identical little princesses up and down the country, daughters of the current crop of chardonnay socialists – who will soon be able to vote.

The species is in trouble. De-evolution is happening.
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January 12, 2019 8:37am
- harvey wilson
  
  Don’t stress mate, the young people I work with hire tend to be revolted by these creatures, their cvs usually have stuff like volunteer work or coaching kids at sport .
  The cretins the media fixate on or who take to social media to whine are a minority.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:41am
secondcumming

LONDON’S *BOLLARDS OF PEACE*

You can thank Muslims for these concrete and steel monstrosities that are popping up in many of the city’s busy venues which could become a soft target for terrorist attacks….
how long before we see the same thing here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K2Jds4KqI0&feature=youtu.be
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January 12, 2019 8:40am
- marcw
  
  They already have a bunch of them in front of Parliament Buildings – got to keep themselves safe from their decisions. Us? Let them eat cake!
  
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  January 12, 2019 1:16pm
Lee C

Duggledog – The philosopher Wittgenstein was talking to a person who mocked people who used to believe that the earth was round. Wittgenstein asked “But what would the world look like were it not round?”

I always thought this was just a witty mind-experiment, but actually he cut to the heat of confirmation bias. Which is why Wittgenstein was a genius, opposed to most of us who read stuff and filters out about 95% of anything we disagree with.

I do so because I suffer from confirmation bias.
But what if I didn’t? What would my world look like?

About that: I’ve been mulling over the consistent face of the press recently. In the USA it appears that the press is overwhelmingly ‘anti-Trump’, yet here in New Zealand it is overwhelmingly ‘Pro-Jacinda’.

We can point to ‘left-wing bias’ and feel ‘justifiable’ outrage, perhaps. However, studies into confirmation bias have shown that trying to illustrate how someone’s view is wrong – even with unassailable evidence – merely entrenches the existing ‘confirmation bias’.

So critiquing the press for being “[insert bias]” is pointless, because you are only helping to confirm their prejudice by doing so.

The research-proven way to shake people out of a confirmation bias is not to try to show them ‘the error of their ways’. You just end up more entrenched in bias on each side.

The proper way to tackle another’s confirmation bias, (and I’d argue to be a good citizen, journalist etc.) It is to ask them to consider an opposite view.

And the world would look like – well what it looks like today, I suppose – flat… or spherical, merely according to one’s bias.
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January 12, 2019 8:42am
Nostradamus

Another Huawei executive arrested on spying charges

Poland has arrested a Chinese employee of Huawei and a former Polish security official on spying allegations, officials and sources told Reuters on Friday, a move that could fuel Western security concerns about the telecoms equipment maker. … Stanislaw Zaryn, a spokesman for the Polish security services, said the country’s Internal Security Agency (ISA) detained a Chinese citizen and a former Polish security official on Jan. 8 over spying allegations. The two men have heard charges and will be held for three months, he said. “This matter has to do with his actions, it doesn’t have anything to do with the company he works for,” Zaryn said of the Chinese man.
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The West’s security concerns surrounding Huawei, and fellow Chinese telecoms equipment firm ZTE Corp … center around China’s National Intelligence Law. Approved in 2017, the law states that Chinese “organisations and citizens shall, in accordance with the law, support, cooperate with, and collaborate in national intelligence work.”
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Ewan Lawson, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London, said the arrests in Poland could bolster Western concerns. “It does point at the sort of connections that may exist between the state intelligence enterprise and private Chinese companies,” he said.

On the face of this report, there’s no direct Huawei connection, but it’ll be interesting to see how this matter plays out.
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January 12, 2019 8:55am
- cha
  
  Schindler on a broader concern about Huawei.
  
  Warsaw’s bombshell spy case threatens to unravel nothing less than Huawei’s global enterprise. If a senior Huawei official has been involved in old-fashioned espionage – not just cyber-theft –in tandem with a former Polish senior intelligence officer, presumably against Warsaw, that’s difficult to explain away. Moreover, it would demonstrate that Huawei is exactly the front for Beijing’s spy agencies that Western counterspies have been warning about at rising volume levels. The commercial implications for the company – and China – would be catastrophic.
  
  https://spectator.us/huawei-chinese-intelligence-front/
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:29am
  - MickMac
    
    Good.
    
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    January 12, 2019 12:10pm
tedbear

The loonies are at it in Nelson.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/379964/mock-funeral-for-planet-earth-in-nelson

You do have to wonder at the intelligence of some people.

Planet Earth is not threatened by climate.
Humans however can be threatened by climate change.
A cold snap would eventually lead to a drop in CO2 levels.
A drop in CO2 levels would lead to famine.
The recurrence of a glacial period could wipe billions of people out, although it might well save our sea life.

If anyone wants facts, Planet Earth thrives on climate change.
The planet has been subject to climate change these last billion plus years. Some say the planet has been around four billion plus years, with the climate always changing.
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January 12, 2019 8:59am
- Keeping Stock
  
  CO2 levels must be sinking like stones in Central Europe at the moment then. -23* in Greece, and snow on beaches right to the waterline.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://neoskosmos.com/en/126441/stunning-snow-storm-blankets-greek-beaches-and-monuments-watch/
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:40am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Bro – that is the effect of climate change. Have you not watched the movies?
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:59am
holysheet

If minorities have the race card and women have the gender card, what do the rest of us have?
The Trump Card
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January 12, 2019 9:00am
- stigie
  
  Bwhahahahaha, Try and tell that to the lefties !~
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:02am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Love it!
  
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  January 12, 2019 4:18pm
Philview

The Liberal/Left media are not happy that Queenstown is keeping brothels out of the town. Well done to Queenstown for a having a vision for the sort of place it wants to be and focused on family values.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107899018/draconian-bylaws-push-queenstown-sex-industry-underground
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January 12, 2019 9:01am
- gump
  
  I wouldn’t describe Queenstown as focused on family values.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:12am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Your link explains rather well that Queenstown is attempting to keep any brothels IN the town, not out.
  
  Not quite the same subject I know but I am interested: How many families are tempted by brothels, which, in my experience, tend to have rather quiet, unassuming, down-played sort of premises?
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:13am
  - Jules99
    
    I seem to recall complaints from neighbours of brothels with the constant flow of customers through the night, creating noise, condoms flung in the garden etc. Lots of businesses I don’t want next door, and a brothel is one of them.
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:47am
    - sooty
      
      I would not have thought they would be into knee tremblers in the garden. Got to get the punters in the door to get paid!
      
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      January 12, 2019 12:21pm
secondcumming

My missus was just telling me that if you sneeze and fart at the same time
your body takes a screenshot.
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January 12, 2019 9:01am
- Biscuit
  
  secondc, this is called ‘Going for the Trifecta’:
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/PewdiepieSubmissions/comments/92vq8d/thermal_video_of_the_year/
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:15am
  - pentwig
    
    somehow biscuit that brought the stoopidthing to mind
    damn
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:07am
- Inandout
  
  And if you belch as well? Reminds me of the old cider tale:
  ‘I likes cider ’cause it makes me fart, and when I farts I shit my pants..I like cider’.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:22am
Southern Raider

Amazing. Stuff runs an article about politics on the Chatham Islands and in bold says Taranaki Maori killed, roasted, ate and enslaved the pacifist Maoriri.

Yet only a week ago an “academic” was claiming this was a myth made up by whites
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January 12, 2019 9:29am
- MT_Tinman
  
  And the packages of “meat” those same fellows took home (along with some chiefs and wives for their women to torture and kill) after sacking the Akaroa Pa in the early 1820s were also a myth obviously.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:57am
- secondcumming
  
  In Dr Paul Moon’s 2008 book, ‘This Horrid Practice’, he describes the whole of Maori society as violent and dangerous.
  
  At the time of publication, a complaint of racism was made to the HRC…..although no action was taken
  
  Just saying.
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:24am
  - holysheet
    
    thats because he was the same colour as them. If you or I had made the same comment, HRC would have taken action against us.
    You old white wracist prick.
    
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    January 12, 2019 4:43pm
- Morrissey
  
  Your imbecilic vomiting is proof that the foul and shameful legacy of Paul Holmes and Don Brash lives on.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:19pm
  - sooty
    
    If morris chancer is upset, you must be doing something right!
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:14pm
igm

Who funds, or who is funding Islamic centres popping up around NZ?
Interesting to do a rego check on some of the nice cars parked outside . . . seems they are doing extremely well considering none work.
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January 12, 2019 9:33am
- Ruahine
  
  Think Saudi Arabia.
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:01am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  igm, “none work??
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:12am
  - Komata
    
    SB
    
    English not your first language then?
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:31am
- fernglas
  
  Most of the nice cars are Ubers
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:16am
kevn

@igm… I think private money lending within their group makes up a big slice. No interest loans but there are ways and means around that of course.
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January 12, 2019 9:52am
Surely Knott

“Tell Us About Your First Love?” by the Auckland Humanity Project came up on a facebook page with 20,000 likes. It’s a project where they go to different parts of Auckland and film people answering the question of the month , and includes a facebook page, graphics, photography, and website. But it doesn’t say who the organisation is who is behind it. It is copyrighted to the Auckland Humanity Project who doesn’t appear to be it’s own legal entity. Google finds it is a project by social change ad agency. The project is a social change activation aimed at growing Auckland’s humanity, and says the client is ACC, which I assume is Auckland City Council as they have a number of other Auckland City Council projects on their site. And it doesn’t really make sense for an Accident company ACC. So my issue is that this covert nature of this Social Propaganda. That if Auckland Council or ACC or a business entity funds or a social change communications project, then it should always have a clear logo and the actual legal business name. And finally with Auckland Council projects, if you see something they have created, it should be easy to find out which department and how much was spent on it. Currently it’s not.
https://www.facebook.com/AKLhumanityproject/
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January 12, 2019 10:06am
- pentwig
  
  sk
  is it not morris and the swingers in the breenmobile cashing in?
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:12am
  - Happychappy
    
    Is it true that Morrissey gets dress up in drag to go to his favorite venue on Friday evenings.
    
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    January 12, 2019 11:15am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Surely Knott, this info found in seconds. Ring them up and ask your crazy questions!
  
  AUCKLANDHUMANITYPROJECT
  
  https://aucklandhumanityproject.co.nz
  
  hello@aucklandhumanityproject.co.nz | 09-3023103 | #aucklandhumanityproject
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:20am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yeah that’s the phone number for the ad agency Stephie. And the Copyright at the bottom of Auckland Humanity Project is a name that isn’t on the charity or the business directory. The question is who commissioned it. And the answer is Client: ACC. http://borderless.co.nz/work/social-change-activations/auckland-humanity-project/
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:25am
    - stephieboy
      
      Try the contact on your link and start from there,
      
      http://borderless.co.nz/contact/
      
      But at the end of the day , so what!
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:32am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Surely’s questions are not unreasonable.
    Why did you label them as crazy?
    
    You have clearly missed the point that SK made.
    Do you have a point of your own to make?
    
    A few days ago you were bleating about not being treated with respect.
    How about you lead the way.
    
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    January 12, 2019 5:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You may find that it is funded by both the Auckland City Council and the ACC (Accident Compensation Corporation)
  
  The Akl Humanity project is a social media-based collective of folks associated with organisations working in the field of family violence and sexual violence.
  http://www.waves.org.nz/blog/auckland-humanity-project/
  
  I agree, the Auckland Humanity Project website is useless for discovering who actually runs and funds the project.
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, but there is a contact phone number where you can ask them directly at
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      09 302 3103
      
      Email: info@borderless.co.nz
      
      Courier / Delivery: Suite 202, 35 High Street, Auckland 1010, New Zealand
      
      Postage: PO BOX 105 078, Auckland City, Auckland 1143 New
      Zealand
      
      What’s the problem?
      
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      January 12, 2019 10:37am
      - Surely Knott
        
        That phone number is the ad agency. That’s not the client. Are you seriously suggesting we should have to find and then ring the ad agency to get public transparency on government communications. Just think Gov funded communications, should have the logo of who is behind it.
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:42am
      - thedavincimode
        
        What’s the problem?
        
        The problem is your depraved perving at young girls and what that may be a precursor to.
        
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        January 12, 2019 10:43am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        While you’ve got the phone book open, could you give us the contact details for the “miscellaneous enquiries” team at St Albans?
        
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        January 12, 2019 11:17am
      - sooty
        
        Try this one,
        stalbans.anglican.auckland@gmail.com
        
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        January 12, 2019 12:13pm
      - sooty
        
        Just tell them that Ralph Taylor sent you!
        
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        January 12, 2019 12:33pm
- howitis
  
  What a dodgy looking outfit!
  This is a bit long. There is a voucher for an ice-cream if you get to the end 🙂
  
  I did some research
  They are mostly foreigners who want to redirect things in NZ
  http://borderless.co.nz/people/
  no http
  >Kimberley (Buchanan) Plate – a septic tank (Yank) who actually operates out of US.
  >Qiujing Easterbrook-Wong – clearly a name Twyford would not approve of
  >Chamolie Thompson – another septic
  >Dave Henderson – a Pom. A B.A. in Media and Cultural studies from Manchester Uni. Red flag right there.
  >Dean Easterbrook – he leads ‘a talented team of storytelling specialists and social change agents ‘
  I’ll bet the story telling skills are enhanced !
  
  They have a tie in with the Herald so that is a bad sign.
  more info:-
  http://www.viva.co.nz/article/culture-travel/make-a-difference-quijing-wong/
  …Wong is the CEO of Borderless Productions, a boutique company specialising in digital storytelling and social change activations. Put simply, Borderless creates videos, ads and documentaries, as well as marketing campaigns and strategies for NGOs, charities and government agencies. Clients include Auckland Council, ACC, the Ministry of Social Development, Oxfam, and AMP’s scholarship programme.
  One of Borderless’ first projects was to help create Be Accessible, a council initiative that encourages Auckland businesses to make themselves accessible to everyone. [me.WTF]…
  also
  https://www.good.net.nz/article/filmmakers
  …The idea of creating change through films came out of working in the commercial, corporate world, where it was all about the money,” says Dean. He and Qiujing (better known as Q) met six years ago, as colleagues at an Auckland television and commercial production company. An item within six weeks, they left 14 months later to launch Borderless Productions…
  
  So, they are anti business. Unicorn people. Money is just created by those evil Banks anyway so it’s not real and that John Keys is the Chairman of ANZ so money must be bad except where it pays unemployable socialists to be MPs and SJWs can burn fuel and attend ‘I hate oil’ symposiums !
  
  They are aligned with The Herald and have Auckland Council and bloody OxFam as a client.
  The ‘borderless’ website is pretty weak- for so called ‘media experts’
  Basically they are mainly foreign social justice worryers secretly funded by Auckland council eg ATEED . This should be of concern.
  
  On the ‘borderless’ website
  …Operated through the Borderless Foundation Trust, the Solution Incubator is a change platform that leverages the experience of the Borderless team with their methodologies and tools to initiate, filter and recommend new solutions and better ways of being….
  Ramble on.. So, in a word…communism.
  
  There is scant info so I did a search on the charities website based on this statement on their website.
  They say:-
  …The Foundation operates as a Not-For-Profit Charitable trust under the Charities Act 2005 (New Zealand).
  BORDERLESS Productions Limited covers all operational overheads for the foundation. The Foundation’s Board of Trustees and senior management contribute their time and expertise on a 100% voluntary basis….
  
  I searched the :-
  https://register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/Search
  first under name:- Contains ‘borderless’ = null result
  Then
  Officer Search – Individual – value as ‘Easterbrook’
  result = no match for Dean Easterbrook or Qiujing Easterbrook-Wong under any name for the over 30,000 Charities in NZ.
  I would rate then as ‘very dodgy’ but this is where Auckland Council throws my rates.
  
  This might be something Taxpayers Union could investigate.
  If you made it this far >> [Virtual Voucher for an ice-cream] Please redeem before it melts.
  
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  January 12, 2019 12:29pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Double choc chip please!
    Well, that is scary. BORDERLESS Productions Limited paid (they set up to make $$$ for themselves via the ratepayers) to tell lovely stories of openness and kindness… Organised political ‘religion’ for the masses! Mayor Goof needs to go.
    
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    January 12, 2019 3:18pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    They didn’t like the corporate world “where it was all about the money”, so they set up an arty fatty social change ginger group that runs on love?
    //
    
    SurelyKnott and Howitis do us a favour by letting the sun shine on these charlatans.
    Thank you.
    
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    January 12, 2019 5:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    From the Companies Office …
    
    Borderless Productions Ltd, incorporated in November, 2005; changed its name to Better World Holdings Ltd in May, 2007; changed the name back to Borderless Productions Ltd in July, 2007.
    
    Directors and shareholders (50 per cent each): Dean Easterbrook, Epsom, Auckland, and Qiujing Wong, of the same address.
    
    I found only one registered charity at the Charities Registry with links to Easterbrook or Wong.
    
    Wong is one of three officers of a registered charity called the Minnie Baragwanath Foundation. (The others are Amanda Jane Baragwanath and Lesley Anne Margaret Slade). They were appointed in October 2013. The purpose and structure of the trust is described at the registry as making grants and loans to people with disabilities. The latest return of the trust, for the year ended 30 September shows income of $2,308 and expenditure of $501.
    
    Baragwanath, listed under the name “Minnie Amanda Jane Baragwanath,” is chief and executive of an organisation called “Be.Accessible”, whose web site is linked to below.
    
    Borderless Productions, on its own web site, describes itself as a “boutique social change company.”
    
    Baragwanath organisation’s web site:
    https://www.beaccessible.org.nz/the-movement/blog/thank-you-new-zealand
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:27pm
Swifty

We demand more of other people’s money!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109847336/pay-gap-for-pacific-women-in-public-service-sparks-outcry-from-commissioner

“If you think of the level of resources in the public service, they really should have been able to [fix] it by now instead of letting it drag on”

That’s right – the taxpayer is a bottomless source of funds for us after all. Never mind whether there is an actual problem here – or that it is something that should or could be ‘fixed’.

The possible reasons behind this purported pay gap? Not discussed.

Don’t like your public service job, what you’re paid, your promotion prospects or potential career progression? Then quit and go and find something else! Maybe even start your own business. That’ll soon correct your sense of entitlement.
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January 12, 2019 10:17am
- sooty
  
  Shit should find it’s own level!
  But then you look at the COL and wonder!
  How the hell, did they float to the surface?
  
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  January 12, 2019 12:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    The big turds like wynston sank to the bottom and pushed the “flaoters like ardern the liar to the top.
    
    When the bucket is full of shit, you still get shit on the top.
    
    The question really is why these coalition apologists that we see on here want to hold up a bucket of turd and say “look at me I support these turds”.
    
    The 2020 flush is coming and we’lll end up with a nice clean “National” Government to show these morons how it’s really done.
    
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    January 12, 2019 1:59pm
Inandout

The figures are pretty much hidden about refugees finding work, but here is a run down.

https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/official-information-responses/2018/june/r-20180618-statistics-regarding-refugees-on-benefits-in-nz.pdf

There is so much fudging around this issue.
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January 12, 2019 10:41am
EAD_THREE

An inability to foresee geometric growth is one of the brain’s major flaws. In the UK,the Muslim population doubled every 10 years:

1961:0.1%
1971:0.2%
1981:0.4%
1991:0.8%
2001:1.6%
2011:3.2%
2021:6.4%
2031:12.8%
2041:25.6%
2051:51.2%

https://www.islamandkiwis.com/blog/harvard-study-16-muslim-is-the-tipping-point
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January 12, 2019 10:42am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  EAD THREE, you just keep us updated with NZ’s “dire” situation with Muslims at about 1.2% as of 2013.
  
  BTW, the tipping point in respect of Jews?
  
  The UK population projections ??
  
  http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/
  
  Appears to a be a load of rubbish and a misuse of the original Harvard study!
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar.
    
    School’s starting soon steffy so we’ll get a respite from your childish drivel.
    
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    January 12, 2019 1:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @EAD_Three
  according to your logic Muslims will make up
  102.4% of the UK population in 2061.
  
  I suggest you need a lesson in population dynamics as well as Maths.
  
  Start with the Logistic Equation:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function
  
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  January 12, 2019 10:57am
- kiwitoffee
  
  I expect that, before long, the indigenous people of England and other parts of the UK will wake up to what is going on and what the implications are.
  
  They will say ‘Enough!’ and, hopefully, elect a government which will wipe the slate clean of both the Islamists and the degenerates in their midst.
  
  The longer they leave it, the more painful the medicine will be.
  
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  January 12, 2019 11:01am
  - SGA
    
    I’m probably going to regret this, but curiosity is getting the better of me. Who exactly are these “degenerates”, and how do you think a government should “wipe the slate clean” of them?
    
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    January 12, 2019 11:12am
    - kiwitoffee
      
      How about the LGBTQI WTFIDK mafia at the BBC, for example?
      
      You sack them.
      
      Then move on to the ‘no borders’ proponents in the civil service of unbridled immigration.
      
      You sack them too.
      
      And what about their ‘magnificent police force’ (Thatcher)?Officers who no longer uphold the law or chase villains but are busy doing ‘community outreach’ and media relations courses? Police officers who think their job is to tell us their (and our) emotional response to horrific, genuine crimes rather than crack down on known criminals.
      
      Sack them.
      
      Those three groups – all currently busy dismantling British society – would be a reasonable start.
      
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      January 12, 2019 11:23am
      - Tall Man
        
        Why restrict it to Britain. Could be a new world movement…we could name it after ardern the liar….
        
        “The Vacuum Movement”… we’ll suck all the bad shit….out.
        
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        January 12, 2019 1:52pm
  - EAD_THREE
    
    Imagine continuing to vote for a system that is actively replacing you, acquits foreigners who kill you, teaches your children they are innately evil, gives your taxes to welfare parasites, takes away more of your freedom every day, & makes you a social pariah if you object.
    
    Liberalism is a disease – the likes of Soyboy is so weak and pathetic, that in the face of outgroups seeking his dispossession, he lacks even the courage to take his own side in the battle.
    
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    January 12, 2019 11:13am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      A system …. just like MMP?
      
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      January 12, 2019 3:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @EAD-Three
  
  The best projections I have seen for the Muslim Population of UK (under different scenarios) are these ones:
  
  http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/
  
  So by 2050… Muslims could make up anywhere between 9.0% – 17% of the population.
  
  …http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/12/04/europes-muslim-population-will-continue-to-grow-but-how-much-depends-on-migration/
  
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  January 12, 2019 5:05pm
kevn

Another brain fart from swarbrick re the cannabis referendum.
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January 12, 2019 10:52am
cha

Apparently the brothers were put to death for desertion.

https://taskandpurpose.com/isis-syria-commander
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January 12, 2019 10:56am
- Tall Man
  
  Happy ending all round then?
  
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  January 12, 2019 1:50pm
secondcumming

Advert in the classified section of the *Kabul Times*

RAPE ALARMS
for men who forget
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January 12, 2019 10:58am
cha

Those Soros-controlled deep state RINO sellout Freedom Caucus soy boy cucks just stabbed tRump in the back.

A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall.

Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/freedom-caucus-border-emergency-trump-1096929
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January 12, 2019 11:21am
- Inandout
  
  So cha, why would 72% of Republicans and 42% of Democrats surveyed favour a wall?
  
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  January 12, 2019 1:23pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Multiple”? You mean less than 20%?
  
  Do you know?
  
  Oh I see, you don’t need or care about facts, you hate Trump, you don’t work…You vote labour…got it.
  
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  January 12, 2019 1:48pm
secondcumming

AN IRISH JOKE

There’s a game to play here…… 😎

Can you pick out the *Irishman*

https://twitter.com/ChelengOmer/status/1081850982533906433
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January 12, 2019 11:27am
Fletch

Montage – places in the world that have walls – and they work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEg9STViAj0
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January 12, 2019 11:49am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  They just don’t work the way the Democrat shitheads want walls to work.
  Dem voter? OK go through. Not a Dem voter? Fuck off back to your shithole
  
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  January 12, 2019 4:31pm
igm

Wife decided time she had a car change (again), so am off to Wellington to peruse the yards.
I rather enjoy this as when I see a car we like, I ask if the company advertises with Fairfax — if they say yes, or are evasive, I tell the salesman to get stuffed and the reason why, going elsewhere.
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January 12, 2019 12:54pm
- Inandout
  
  My Australian based daughter has finally seen common sense and purchased a Honda. Say what you like but the i-tech motor is an economical and reliable beauty. As far as I know all dealers advertise with Stuff, including Honda. Of course I wouldn’t attempt to influence your wife as to what brand to purchase.
  
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  January 12, 2019 1:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  French car..support the “yellow vest” workers. Currently in our garaging we have Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat.
  
  They are all hard to beat for value for money and in 30 years of Euro ownership we have had nothing but good motoring.
  
  Bloody hot day here so too hot to be looking at cars, unless online 🙂
  
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  January 12, 2019 1:41pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Since when has Fiat been French???
    
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    January 12, 2019 1:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Silly boy.
      
      Fiat is almost French, same colour flag if you’re colour blind.
      
      The Fiat is a newbie but the Citroen is an awesomme car and the sister inlaw’s Peugeot is nto too bad for a smaller car.
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:44pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Drove a couple of rentals recently. The brand new Citroen was very impressive and the brand new Volvo was equally good. Don’t ask me about the engines – not my department. ?
    
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    January 12, 2019 2:11pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      They all have engines.
      Sorry
      
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      January 12, 2019 4:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      A lot of car for the money when they’re a couple of years old.
      
      The silly boys out there don’t like them, they’d rather have a shitty jappa like everybody else.
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:45pm
  - starboard
    
    “Currently in our garaging we have Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat.”
    
    Sorry to hear that. You have my deepest sympathies.
    
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    January 12, 2019 5:36pm
    - stigie
      
      Having a Alfa Romeo as well in your garage would be the last straw..?
      
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      January 12, 2019 6:17pm
      - Tall Man
        
        It’s coming…I can feel it.
        
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        January 12, 2019 9:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’m good thanks 🙂
      
      The only unreliable car we’ve had in the past 20 years was a Nissan.
      
      You guys are just jealous coz the Euros pull the chicks 😉
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      In the family (my immediate) we have Porsche, BMW, Volkswagon X2, Citroen, Fiat X 2, Mercedes, a shitty old Nissan Ute plus a Landcruiser for the off road days.
      
      I guess we are all smitten but 30 plus years of Euro ownership for me and I have passed the affection on to my children.
      
      It always amuses me that people hate French and Italian cars but love BMW & Mercedes.
      
      Oh well, off to the garage to do all the engine rebuilds……… on those shitty old Jappas. 🙂
      
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      January 13, 2019 10:31am
  - nasska
    
    …..”Currently in our garaging we have Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat”…..
    
    I’m sorry to hear that you have fallen on hard times. Should you need something that actually runs your KB on line friends are here to help & we’ll crowd fund a Toyota Starlet for you.
    
    Labour governments are a bitch! 🙂
    
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    January 12, 2019 6:32pm
    - stigie
      
      You’re about as mean as JB Nasska, the least we could do would be a Landcruiser. We are not called “rich pricks” for nothing ole chap..?
      
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      January 12, 2019 7:01pm
      - nasska
        
        Last year’s new Land Cruiser 70 series set me back $83K less a few discounts plus the cost of the deck stigie. Ended up about $78K!
        
        Our friend with the garage full of shit has the choice of a Starlet or a Lime scooter. 🙂
        
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        January 12, 2019 7:24pm
      - stigie
        
        There you go to the man with a garage full of shit, go for the Japanese made Starlet. Extremely reliable !~
        
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        January 12, 2019 7:36pm
      - Tall Man
        
        A few years ago my mate raved about his Landcruiser….It was my shitty old beach truck…Terrano that dragged him out of the dunes.
        
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        January 12, 2019 9:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I know you are secretly envious…I can tell.
      
      The only downside of the Citoen is the air suspension dropping the car down and leaving the two rear wheels on the tandem trailer spinning in the air.
      
      Looks cool but can be a wee bit wobbly at times unless you overide the system and raise it up.
      
      That’s right..adjustable air suspension..cool eh?
      
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      January 12, 2019 9:52pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    European=expensive parts and repairs, OK when new not good after 10+ years.
    
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    January 12, 2019 11:06pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Tall man ,”nothing but good motoring”, you must keep the unreliable oil leaking, coolant leaking,electrical disaster heaps of shite locked up in the garage while you drive the Lexus around the place.
    And that comes from a person that has been running my automotive repair shop for thirty years,
    Im seriously looking forward to retirement so my life is no longer trying to fix the european crap without bankrupting the poor owner most of whom think they are buying european quality ,LOL,fucking junk .
    We recently replaced all 4 shocks on a 2015 Alfa Romeo because it wouldnt pass a wof ,4 months out of warranty and Alfa wouldnt help, cost $4700.00.
    Dont touch the shit unless you can update every 2/3 years…
    
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    January 13, 2019 5:33am
- Fletch
  
  Don’t forget to check the cars history with Car Jam.
  
  https://www.carjam.co.nz/
  
  And the other free site to check for flood and fire damaged vehicles –
  
  https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/choosing-the-right-vehicle/recalls-and-damaged-vehicles/written-off-and-damaged-vehicles
  
  Also, Driven have a car value calculator –
  ]
  https://www.driven.co.nz/tools/car-value-calculator/
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:50pm
secondcumming

I hear IZB reporting that Ozzie retard *Meke Fifita*, the half-wit who thought it was funny to message, “I have a bomb”, while sitting aboard an Air NZ flight, is still being held in a prison cell while awaiting deportation back to Sydney. They say that both Air NZ & Qantas are refusing to transport the dumb bastard.

My missus just came up with a brilliant idea, why not put him on a Lime Scooter.
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January 12, 2019 1:18pm
- Inandout
  
  I would throw the prick onto a cargo boat, in the brig. He could be fed by tray under the cell door.
  
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  January 12, 2019 1:20pm
- GazzaW
  
  As I said last night Fifita has totally fucked himself. He is probably already blacklisted in every major airline reservation system and conviction for an aviation security related crime will make him persona non grata for entry to most countries. He won’t even be able to fly domestic routes in Australia. I guess the only way that they will get him back to Australia is if one of the airlines will carry him with a police escort for which the family will have to pay. Until it’s all sorted Fifita gets to languish in Mt Eden. Sad isn’t it?
  
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  January 12, 2019 2:17pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Gee that airline ban is a great idea!
    It needs to be extended to other crimes.
    And other bans considered.
    Like if you are repeat drunk driver the banks will ban you from having an account.
    And the mobile companies will ban you from having a mobile phone account.
    2 strikes and you are in!
    
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    January 12, 2019 5:32pm
Komata

GW

But, but, he’s such a NICE boy (his lawyer said so)…

Spoilt, dumb, ‘Island’ (and ‘Australian’), but still, such a ‘Nice’ boy…

Confirms all the stereotypes really, doesn’t it?
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January 12, 2019 2:43pm
Gravelroad

Spent last night in a hotel in a largish tourist town.
At 8pm a drumming “event” started up nearby.
It went on and on – loud, repetitive and dreary until well after midnight.
At check out a few others mentioned it – but it was assumed to be part of some cultural concert so was considered not a good idea to complain.
We tottered off down the main street to do some shopping and next minute, the drums started up again.
Around the corner of a very busy intersection came a “march” of drummers, aging hippies with dogs and dirty looking louts holding up banners one of which declared “We’re Fucked”.
A little boy, who looked about four, was having to wear a large black bowler hat while clinging on to a makeshift coffin.
It took us several minutes to work out what the march was about due to the signage being unclear. We were thinking something to do with zombies initially and then maybe anti-1080.
But no – it was complaining about the impending doom of climate change.
Way to go climate change extremists – annoy people by causing disturbance half the night then get up and hold up traffic.
Classy.
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January 12, 2019 3:45pm
DigNap15

One of the things I hate about the news media is that they publish their extreme left wing bias about the topic, before they publish the actual news.

They should puckish the actual news first.
And then comment on it later if they wish.

I think a lot of people are noticing this extreme bias.
The thing is what can we do about it?
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January 12, 2019 4:04pm
EAD_THREE

“The UK’s anti-Semitic Google searches show the tech companies must act” by Seth Davidowitz.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/11/uk-antisemitic-google-searches-tech-companies

Can’t have those pesky goyim asking impertinent questions…..

Yet still no answers as to why people have this so called “irrational hate”
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January 12, 2019 4:08pm
- EAD_THREE
  
  From the article:
  
  “The mythological wealth and power of the Rothschild banking family remains one of the top conspiracy theories in the UK”
  
  It’s all just so tiresome. I guess they must just be some poor rag sellers –
  downtrodden, oppressed and powerless.
  
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  January 12, 2019 4:11pm
  - secondcumming
    
    BoL!!…something you could relate to Ead
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dv0U9g9WwAAv6rF.jpg
    
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    January 12, 2019 4:28pm
- EAD_THREE
  
  LOL
  
  I guess all the downtickers must be pro the Bolshevik Guardian who print this nonsense❗
  
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  January 12, 2019 4:43pm
DigNap15

Come on Trump, build the wall and hurry up.
Make America stronger.
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January 12, 2019 4:16pm
- Monique Watson
  
  He’s working on diverting funds from military construction to get some miles fenced to provide evidence that stronger Border Control measures are needed and to send the message to the Dems they need to stop farkin’ around.
  Less miles secured initially but more case studies to shove it to the Dems in the run up to 2020.
  
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  January 12, 2019 4:39pm
  - secondcumming
    
    @ MW
    
    And you would have to say the latest addition to The Wall is actually looking pretty damn smart……*The Donald* really is the best thing that could ever have happened to America! A man for the times. MAGA.
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwpe_qWXcAc2WKt.jpg
    
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    January 12, 2019 5:02pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I reckon it won’t be long. I think there are decisions being made right now that are not for the public interest to know – and not for the Democrats to know. It will be swift and hard out.
  
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  January 12, 2019 4:40pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Hmm, I dunno, Steve. I reckon Trump will fold before those 800,000 federal workers miss their second pay check, on Friday 25 January. People might be able to get by if they miss one pay check, but not two. The banksters are already threatening foreclosure action.
    
    If he takes precipitate, unilateral, executive order / government-by-decree action regarding the border wall before his second State of the Union address (and his third address) to the joint session of Congress, at 3 p.m. on Wednesday 30 January (our time), he can hardly then start off by saying something like “I am here to report on the state of the Union, and the Union is strong!!” By then, the nation will be in chaos. Never mind the fact that declaring a state of emergency would immediately be contested as to its constitutionality (in these circumstances).
    
    During the past three days, the House has passed four bills to do with the shutdown. Contrary to what you are suggesting, I think it is more likely that, rather than suffer the ignominy of having his vetoes overturned by two-thirds of both Houses (there are plenty of Republican senators up for re-election in 2020), he will fold.
    
    And then, just like President Obama from January 2011 onwards, he, too, will essentially be a lame-duck president.
    
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    January 12, 2019 6:04pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      The bet is a choc fish and a can of coke. I win. Trump is not a diplomat, he does deals. See DPF for my win 🙂
      
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      January 12, 2019 6:38pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        The problem with that is, he is History’s very worst dealmaker. He only knows how to stiff his contractors, and go bankrupt.
        
        The game is now up; watch him disintegrate before our eyes.
        
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        January 12, 2019 6:50pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Reply to Steve Todd.
        
        Absolutely correct.
        Trump is like the spoilt kid who doesn’t get his own way.
        Tantrums and all.
        
        Reports today suggest that the Mueller report is not to far away.
        Now this will get interesting.
        
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        January 12, 2019 7:19pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      @barnacle bill
      
      Yes, and Nancy Pelosi is not going to give him so much as a millimetre. She is going to make 2019 the worst year of his life.
      
      Although, in my opinion, he has committed several impeachable offences (Article 2, Section 4), he might well be removed via Amendment 25, Section 4, after having suffered some sort of breakdown.
      
      Things are definitely going to get interesting, alright, whatever happens.
      
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      January 12, 2019 7:45pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well I guess your opinion is worth….wait for it…..
        ……………..
        Nothing.
        
        However, did you know that ardern the liar is the laziest pm we have ever had?
        
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        January 12, 2019 9:59pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Thanks for sharing that, Tall Man (whoever you are).
        
        No, my opinion does count for something, just as your many opinions do. Fortunately for me, lots of people agree with me, or, should I say, I largely agree with them. A couple of examples—
        
        Check out ‘The Case for the Impeachment of Donald Trump’, Parts 1 and, 2, here: https://impeachableoffenses.net/.
        
        See also https://medium.com/@TheDemCoalition/a-timeline-of-trumps-impeachable-offenses-daa8950c3921. I’ll let you google the rest.
        
        Now, you may disagree with all this, and your opinion, although it would be wrong (in my opinion), still means something, because he may not be impeached by the House, or convicted in the Senate, of his *impeachable* offences. Should one or both not occur, does not mean that my opinion that he has committed *impeachable* offences, means nothing, although certainly, it is just my opinion. But, as the above links show, it is an opinion shared by people far more knowledgeable about such matters than I.
        
        It would seem you have fallen into the trap of dismissing an opinion you don’t agree with as being “nothing”, thereby implying that only opinions you agree with are worth something. In effect, you have admitted to possessing a closed mind. Sad.
        
        Oh, by the way, your “Ardern is a liar” obsession was boring weeks ago. Time you gave it away, old chap; it’s now just pathetic.
        
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        January 13, 2019 12:02am
- MCos
  
  The cheque’s in the mail from Mexico, but he’s shut the postal service down.
  
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  January 12, 2019 5:46pm
nasska

The Christian Conservative coterie within the National Party are fighting to the last trench over who is a “fit & proper person” to grow & supply medical marijuana.

It would seem that only paragons of virtue should be employed cultivating a plant that is incredibly easy to grow.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12188844

In the interests of consistency I eagerly await the introduction of an opposition bill requiring all workers involved in the fermented, spirituous & distilled liquor trade to receive the equivalent vetting.
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January 12, 2019 6:24pm
- Tall Man
  
  You need to get out more.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:57pm
JibberJabber

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/109811746/activists-hold-funeral-for-planet-earth

Get your comments in before they shut them down.
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January 12, 2019 6:31pm
- Longknives
  
  Stuff are hard into this ‘Climate Change’ bullcrap.
  Comments will close in 3,2,1…
  
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  January 12, 2019 6:34pm
- The Heat
  
  Stuff’s Climate Change stance is curious.
  
  I was reading this:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/108819497/quick-save-the-planet-we-must-confront-climate-change
  
  ….and the video ad pre-roll at the top of the article was for Mobil oil. I also saw ads from various car companies. Stuff also runs sections on travel and motoring.
  
  Patrick Crewdson, Stuff Editor in Chief, states:
  
  “The classic Kiwi “she’ll be right” attitude won’t serve us here. Without urgent and comprehensive action, she won’t be right.It’s past time to agree that we need to act, quickly, to save the planet”.
  
  Shouldn’t Crewdson act by eliminating the motoring section and replace it with, say, cycling? Remove the travel section, and don’t accept any advertising from any industry directly linked to fossil fuel?
  
  This may mean job losses at Stuff, and the paper may not be able continue in present form due to reduced advertising revenue, however this is indeed a small price to pay in order to prevent “cataclysm”, surely.
  
  Or, is it just business as usual for the media?
  
  Many people in Taranki face uncertain economic futures due to the act of shutting down oil and gas exploration. Many of these people didn’t run a long series of articles urging us to act against the weather.
  
  I’d really like to know Stuff’s advertising policy. Heaven forbid “climate change”…. “falls victim to a shrugging complacency”
  
  Personally, I think the AGW story is overblown.
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Stop reading them and giving them revenue.
    
    If the majority of people stopped clicking on them they would soon get the message as advertising revenue plummeted.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:57pm
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Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/weekend-links-12-13-january-2019/#comment-3266246

… Excessively high risk planner induced bubble stock …

The Australian dream died alone in an apartment … David Fickling … Bloomberg / Sydney Morning Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-australian-dream-died-alone-in-an-apartment-20190112-p50qzh.html

For people in the US, the American Dream is a vision of broadly shared prosperity, freedom and opportunity. Xi Jinping’s Chinese Dream focuses on rising incomes and national renewal.

Australians once had a simpler aspiration: owning a detached suburban home on a quarter-acre of land. That vision died a while ago.

Back in the 1980s, single-family detached homes comprised about three-quarters of building approvals, and even through the 1990s and 2000s the proportion was still around two-thirds. … read more via hyperlink above …

… It is a rough road back to reality … how prepared are you ? …

Definition of an Affordable Housing Market & Affordability Guide – Various Dwelling Types … Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
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January 12, 2019 8:30pm
- Swifty
  
  Reported for linkwhoring.
  
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  January 12, 2019 9:57pm
Niz

I just read this in a Newshub article about ice melting in the Antarctic.
“The scientists say it’s too early to know why the sea has melted so early this year, but say it could be a natural event or a result of climate change.”
The real news here is that climate change isn’t natural, apparently.
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- barnacle bill
  
  And another scientific puzzle.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12189330
  
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  January 12, 2019 8:51pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I think it has something to do with ardern the liar’s teeth.
    
    Can quite put my finger on it….fortunately.
    
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    January 12, 2019 9:54pm
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    Worry, worry, worry … the end is nigh. Will veganism and cycling save us from this threat?
    
    Something more for the Greens to fret about – will the North and South poles switch? And if so, will it matter – except for birds and possibly other critters that use the poles for navigation.
    
    http://www.physics.org/facts/frog-magnetic-field.asp
    
    Perhaps one problem will be lack of protection because of weaker polarity during the switch (perhaps we can get free issues of those tinfoil hats for this):
    
    https://www.livescience.com/18426-earth-magnetic-poles-flip.html
    
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    January 12, 2019 10:58pm
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  They really are idiots.
  
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