General Debate 7 December 2018

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December 7, 2018 8:01am
- tas
  
  What is the point of this comment?
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:07am
  - dave_c_
    
    I guess the point is the ‘point’ (.)
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:17am
    - skyblue
      
      Cut & paste mistake.
      
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      December 7, 2018 8:22am
- Longknives
  
  I gave it an uptick because it is still a better read than Stephieboy or Notsofast!
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:57am
  - Biscuit
    
    Longknives, I regret that I have just one uptick to give you there!
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:34am
StephieGenderNeutral

Good morning alt right kiwibloggers.

I figured my old name would cause offense to transgenders, gender non-binary, genderqueer, genderfluid and the rest of the LGBTQAIPK+ community so it is now StephieGenderNeutral to be more inclusive.

Thank you.
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December 7, 2018 8:01am
- Woz
  
  You’re still a big girl, though.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  Did you get a vote on it at the Rainbow Pride Coalition meeting to validate your inclusive unilateral decision?
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:07am
  - sooty
    
    You still will be unable to fill out the big girls blouse.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:11am
- harvey wilson
  
  We already knew about your gender identity bro
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stefonknee-wolschtt-transgender-father-leaves-family-in-toronto-to-start-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html%3famp
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:12am
  - Sacha
    
    Family was probably glad to see the back of an entitled 6 year-old.
    I would be.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:37am
- Tall Man
  
  Told ya, ardern is still a liar and you are well known as a girl.
  
  Labour is still a pathetic excuse for a political party and you are a poor quality intern.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:18am
- dave_c_
  
  Huh – What a wuss – No independent thoughts – Following the agenda blindly – what an idiot.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:18am
  - SGA
    
    What a troll, you mean.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:21am
- dave_c_
  
  Your new name offends me.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:20am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I find your name non Islamic and therefore offensive. I demand you convert and change your name to “Al Stephi Ibn Gender neutral.”
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:43am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Oooh, Padriv, Stuffy would be playing with fire – poor Stuffy could be thrown off a building!
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:16am
- skyblue
  
  Probably makes you feel better as you stuff tampons up your arse.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:58am
  - sooty
    
    It would want the free ones that the girls are after.
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:22pm
- labrator
  
  Quality satire. The give away was the punctuation; it was accurate (and the sentences were complete).
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:14am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Changing your name is a bit like rolling shit in glitter. Looks nice buts still stinks. Now go and find some left moron fuckwitt to impress…
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:59am
- realityczech
  
  We are TERF’s and are offended
  
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  December 7, 2018 5:37pm
Sponge

I wonder what calamity /fuck up/display of incompetence will be disclosed by this dreadful govenment today??
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December 7, 2018 8:01am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Aren’t they running out of things to fuck up? or is this just the beginning?
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:06am
  - sooty
    
    Friday at 4pm, who knows!
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:12am
    - dave_c_
      
      A lot can happen between ‘now’ and then !
      Lots of ‘cover ups’, or ‘lots of disaster’ – take your pick.
      
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      December 7, 2018 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  Just wait till 4:30 and all will be revealed by Jacinda the First of Her Tree Planters, The Un-Truth, Queen of the Labours, the Rhoynar and the Kiwi Builder , Queen of Morinsville, Khaleesi of the Great Grass clippings, Protector of the unwashed, Lady Regnant of the Labour camps, Breaker of promises and Mother of Neve”.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:21am
  - Lance
    
    LOL
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:36am
    - sooty
      
      You left out partner of Jethro!
      
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      December 7, 2018 12:27pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  That would be the proposed engineers strike at Air NZ just before Christmas I think!
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:27am
- macdee
  
  prescient, Air NZ engineers on strike 21 December
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:36am
- double d
  
  Roll on 4pm …..
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:59am
  - sooty
    
    Hookers/Pacific Fuel tankers, next week?
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:29pm
flipper

If you did not catch up with the TDS coverage of the Bush 41 funeral yesterday, the following (link to) crap sums up the sickening WP/NYT/CNN/MSNBC attempt at “fair and balanced” reporting ……
I say that because I watched the entire event live, and then when I read the crap in both the NZ Herald and Shit (pardon, Stuff), i almost threw up.
The Washington Post purported to know what Trump was thinking and saying by his actions at very moment of the service. There was no mention of the earlier private meeting between Bush 43e, Jeb and their wives, and DJT and Melania. Nor was there mention of the extra courtesies extended to the Bush family at the direction of DJT. And then the WA Post lie that “lock her up” and slick Billie, ignored the Trumps. It is true that DJT ignored Hillary ( ns V V ), but “lockherup” did glance toward and nod at Melania.
Sick, but read for your self ….
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12172461
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December 7, 2018 8:02am
- Simon
  
  Anything in the NZ MSM about Trump is like reading Pravda’s coverage of turnip production.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:11am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Well CNN have already reported as news that they know Trump thinks racist thoughts – apparently their source was the fact that they could mind read and sense what he was thinking.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:18am
- Scott
  
  It is amazing that our mainstream media even with its straight reporting cannot stop themselves from massive ideological bias and identifying who they like and who they don’t like. In the at least 4 but probably 8 years of the Trump presidency, Donald Trump will never do anything right in the eyes of our media.
  
  Contrast that with the previous president, who in the eyes of our media never did anything wrong! Imagine that, in 8 years our media could find nothing to criticise about President Obama.
  
  The sad fact is that Trump is doing well, even though you would never know it by reading our media’s coverage of him. The American economy is booming, the North Korean situation has calmed down considerably, Isis has been largely defeated and the American energy sector is also booming.
  
  While here at home our media love our Prime Minister and cannot fawn enough over her. Our prime minister has unilaterally axed the energy sector, annoyed Australia by demanding to take some of their refugees, spends huge amounts of money on first-year university students who don’t need it and is constantly looking for ways to put more taxes on the already overburdened Kiwi taxpayer.
  
  Our Prime Minister has no clue. The American president is doing well. But you would never know this by reading New Zealand newspapers, listening to New Zealand radio and watching New Zealand TV.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:22am
  - calendar girl
    
    Well expressed, Scott.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:31am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Our media just hate winners. In Obama’s case they praised him as a winner, but in reality he was a loser, liar, thief and shit stirrer
    
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    December 7, 2018 11:25am
  - Nermal
    
    There are so many examples of Trump being rubbished for doing thing that we’re ignored or earned praise when carried out by the great Obama (PBUH)
    
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    December 7, 2018 4:17pm
- Biscuit
  
  Flipper, I agree.
  
  I watched the whole thing – I love the theatre (oops, theater in ‘Merican-speak!) of such events.
  
  The thing would have been ‘protocoled’ to … if you’ll forgive the expression … death.
  
  The Presidents (out of office) would have had to arrive separately and in rank, from oldest to newest.
  
  They’d have to be seated accordingly.
  
  The current President (and remember his Vice President was there too) would have to have been the last to arrive … and, from a Security Service point of view, would have to have been the first whisked away to relative safety from a gathering that looked like a terrorist’s wet dream.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:41am
  - sooty
    
    So Trump was at the front!
    
    Were was Hillary?
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:33pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Sooty, looking at the row from the sharp end the eight First Families lined up as:
      
      The Donald, Melania, Barack, Michelle, Bill, Hillary, Jimmy, Rosalynn…
      
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      December 7, 2018 2:48pm
Chuck Bird

I hope plenty of Kiwibloggers come to this event at Aotea Square tomorrow at 2 pm.

Protest The UN Migration Pact

https://www.facebook.com/events/352809995510112/?active_tab=about
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December 7, 2018 8:04am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Don’t expect Hosking :(. See my comment below on his weak stance.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:22am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Please click Going if you are and also share to your Facebook friends.
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:13am
secondcumming

ATTENTION: THE DUCK

“The Speaker is not there to protect Ministers, or the Prime Minister.
They should be prepared to feel the ‘full heat’ during Question Time”

[Sir Lockwood Smith to Mitch Harris/RadioLive]
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December 7, 2018 8:04am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  He secretly thinks he is running the Country, because he has control.
  Another narcissist.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:16am
Notsofast

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Here is another fascinating work in progress
https://www.propublica.org/article/joe-bryans-attorneys-ask-for-new-trial-say-murder-conviction-built-on-faulty-forensics?utm_campaign=blood-will-tell&utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email

Please save this link before it disappears.

And

https://features.propublica.org/blood-spatter/mickey-bryan-murder-blood-spatter-forensic-evidence/
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December 7, 2018 8:05am
- sooty
  
  Maybe you should consider a name change as well.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:16am
- CHFR1
  
  Fuck off
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:25am
  - Notsofast
    
    You are a quality person. Check the thread title General Debate. Try harder.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:28am
    - starboard
      
      Give it up Lundy. You are guilty. It’s truly not a good look to have your wife’s brain matter on your shirt.
      STFU and do your time..quietly.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:20am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  And here’s the Bryan Bruce investigative piece…
  
  https://www.nzptv.org.nz/videos/this-is-the-title-04
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:41am
tedbear

So the evil socialists together with corrupt groups like the UN, Club of Rome, IPCC, continue pushing their world population control agenda with the fake science and junk models.
It’s getting to the beyond a joke stage when Aussie schoolkids are ‘going on strike’ through being indoctrinated by this bullshit global warming scam.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has the right idea “What we want is more learning in schools and less activism in schools.”

Teachers need to to be telling the truth to schoolkids -how the world works and functions, about natural climate cycles. We’re currently in a period that’s turned from warming to cooling and and that global temperatures will continue to decline for some time.
Plants need more Co2, not less.

Listen to climatologist Dr Tim Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQFCKICwFEQ
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December 7, 2018 8:06am
- cmm
  
  Schools? Forget it!
  
  Journalism is a career for activists, so is teaching.
  
  Be honest here. If you want your kids to have a balanced view of the world then it is up to you.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:15am
skyblue

Who is Karel Sroubek supplying drugs too under the Labour umbrella?
Will we find out next week?
Is baby Neve hearing Mummy & Daddy arguing a lot?
Man, it is hard to read between the lines!
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December 7, 2018 8:06am
- Poppa
  
  National are talking with the ex wife & I am sure they will have asked about the wedding & who may have attended
  
  That would be an interesting list
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who in the Caucus knows Karel Sroubek?
  
  Hon Paula Bennett: Has she asked whether her Ministers have links to any of the people who made representations on behalf of Karel Sroubek?
  
  Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: The answer to that question is, on behalf of the Prime Minister, there will be a number of members of Parliament, who, if they go through their recent decade-old associations, would quite possibility, because of their sporting engagement and interest, have been associated. But that in no way means that they are responsible for the criminality for which Mr Sroubek’s in prison at the moment.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20181206_20181206_08
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    Sooo! Labour do know him!
    Just reading between the lines!
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:18am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Suddenly I want to run my hands, but I’m worried I’ll spill the popcorn.
      This is going to be so much fun.
      
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      December 7, 2018 3:54pm
  - cmm
    
    Or, in one syllable, “Yes”.
    
    ” because of their sporting engagement and interest,”
    
    Well since none of the MPs are kick-boxers, it must be their interests then.
    
    What is Sroubek interested in? Burglary, robbery,threatening, assault and drugs.
    
    I doubt too many of our MPs will have decade long interests in burglary and robbery (other than the taxpayer). A few have had a dabble with assault and threatening, but not what you would call a decade long interest.
    
    So that leaves drugs.
    
    Huh.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:23am
    - RalphT
      
      Are you sure about that or are you just reading between the lines?
      
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      December 7, 2018 8:38am
      - sooty
        
        Sporting interest could mean wife swapping, deviancey, S&M? Who knows? I don’t think they are talking about cricket!
        Man! It’s hard to read between the lines as between the sheets!
        
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        December 7, 2018 12:40pm
  - VicParking
    
    Another Question not Answered under protection of the Duck
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:27am
    - sooty
      
      His nickname ducky is appropriate. Never to answer questions, duck here, duck there and just leave a pile of shit!
      
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      December 7, 2018 12:44pm
  - Nermal
    
    Is fishing a sport?
    
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    December 7, 2018 4:20pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Is the Pope a Catholic? Are the Kennedys gun shy?
      Come to the mokohinau islands one day, I will teach you.
      Btw Jethro can’t fish, he just talks, just like his missus
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:30pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Just ask the if they want to buy a lawnmower, and watch the body language.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:20am
- calendar girl
  
  Skyblue above: Is Neve’s Daddy living at the family home at present?
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:37am
  - igm
    
    Neve’s “Daddy” . . . ?
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:44am
    - skyblue
      
      You are right, Adern is a slag, so Clark may be looking after another man’s sperm donation.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:48am
      - double d
        
        Not cool.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:11am
      - Nookin
        
        No need for that.
        
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        December 7, 2018 12:17pm
      - KH
        
        Stupid comment from skyblue.
        
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        December 7, 2018 12:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        That’s disgusting, Skyblue. Are you a leftist agent provocateur out to discredit Kiwiblog?
        
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        December 7, 2018 1:51pm
- KevOB
  
  Putting the Sroubek puzzle together is challenging – perhaps a key piece is missing
  
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2018/12/06/putting-the-sroubek-puzzle-together-is-challenging-perhaps-a-key-piece-is-missing/
  
  Senior journalists are questioning.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:06am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Puzzle? Yep, someone stole something important, like the corner of a jigsaw. It is in someone’s pocket.
    Read between the lines she said.
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:32pm
Longknives

Question for our more experienced (I don’t want to say ‘older’) Political observers-

Have we ever had such a disengaged Prime Minister before?
What was the stat that came out yesterday? She hasn’t shown up for work for something like 16 of the last 35 days??

Look I’m aware that the PM has other responsibilities- But it seems Ardern deliberately avoids getting her hands dirty in Parliament and just does the ‘fluff’ stuff (Woman’s Day photoshoots/Visits to Schools etc)
To be honest I’m not sure whether she is being deliberately hidden by Labour or she simply thinks she is too good for ‘day to day’ business in the House- Either way I think NZ deserves better for their $500k!
Have we ever had a Part-Time Prime Minister before in New Zealand History??
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December 7, 2018 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Why is this a surprise?
  
  After her first term in Parliament, her rise through the ranks of the parliamentary labour party & despite the media waxing lyrically about her, she was recognized as the laziest member of the parliamentary labour party.
  
  So, I’m not surprised she can’t handle parliament. After all, there are no photo calls with babies or school kids asking soft rehearsed questions.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:18am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah, her proposed private members bills, just about the only work she had to do as an oppo MP, were as weak as piss.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:50am
  - Colinxy
    
    I didn’t realise Ardern was competing against Nanaia Mahuta for the title of laziest.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:49am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Very good. New here. Keep it up!
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:36pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  She works from home – very common these days.
  Also, she can keep an eye on the lawnmowers.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:22am
  - sooty
    
    But not if you are PM!
    
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    December 7, 2018 5:02pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      You mean working from home? Or counting the stash of lawnmowers?
      Not clear Mr sooty
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:37pm
- skyblue
  
  Probably on the rag every 2 weeks, explains about 50% presence.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hey..
    
    I never had a day off work or school when I had my Period.
    Most women don’t, you know.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:34am
    - skyblue
      
      Just reading between the lines.
      
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      December 7, 2018 8:36am
    - Colinxy
      
      Yeah, but most women aren’t left wing politicians either.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:51am
      - howitis
        
        Yes, but far too many women vote for left wing women pollies because>>> ‘feelz’
        That is a large support base for the Gunts.
        
        Look at the blind foolz that voted for crooked Hilary simply because she was penis-less.
        There is an acute lack of critical assessment in that department.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:55am
- GazzaW
  
  Where was ILG yesterday? Has he finally been admitted to Labour’s Witness Protection Scheme?
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:32am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    ~~Witness~~ Witless
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:51am
sooty

Comrade, today you are allowed to bunk work and go back to kindy.
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December 7, 2018 8:10am
Stephen James

This made me sick.
Went into Harmoney to invest on Wednesday and came accross a B grade loan:
40-49, divorced, ownes or pays mortgage, lives in Levin, income after tax $5,879.00/month.
All good until Income Type, which stated Benefit.
Bloody disgrase. I hope she, and it will be a she, gets cancer.
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December 7, 2018 8:10am
- peterwn
  
  “I hope she, and it will be a she, gets cancer.”
  Do not wish that on anyone.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:13am
  - Sponge
    
    Yep – that was a disgraceful comment.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:20am
    - SGA
      
      Agreed.
      
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      December 7, 2018 8:24am
  - Stephen James
    
    My ex wife and great friend recently died of cancer. It took six years and she was just 41 when she died. I know how bad it is but bludgers in my opinion have it too easy.
    Maybe if my wife didn’t have to work such long hours to pay the mortgage and so much tax. Maybe if the bludgers paid their fair share; my wife wouldn’t have been so stressed and maybe not got sick in the first place.
    Downtick me; I don’t care
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:31am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Well, I get why you’re so angry. I’m really sorry for your loss.
      
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      December 7, 2018 8:33am
Woz

People who still just don’t get it:

Hilary Barry
Lance Armstrong
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December 7, 2018 8:11am
- skyblue
  
  Sex?
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:11am
  - Woz
    
    No, that’s another list. One I’m on.
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:25am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I’d add Michael Clarke to that list.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:19am
Steve (North Shore)

Shitheads on TV1 commenting on the funeral of George HW Bush held this morning.
Hey morons, it was yesterday, not this morning.
Out of touch with the World
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December 7, 2018 8:13am
- sooty
  
  But it was on the telly, so it must be real!
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:21am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    TVNZ is NZ’s CNN
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:24am
- dave_c_
  
  Perhaps the news these days is being ‘pre-recorded’, and the use of ‘today’ reveals the deceit and lies being fomented – a bit like the weekly menu – something diffeent is being prepared for each days’ dissemination.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps the news these days is being ‘pre-recorded
    
    It’s all being copy-pasted from Ozzie and US media.
    
    Try listening to RNZ News items at 2, 3, 4am….Usually just clips from ABC news.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:16am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “In a scathing attack Duncan Garner on @TheAMShowNZ finally admits that he left @1NewsNZ & TVNZ because they allowed Helen Clark to control the media & filter stories that NZ should have heard about.”
  
  https://twitter.com/GeoffsAgHortHub/status/1070408374154493952
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:54am
  - kowtow
    
    I suppose he was angry he had to play second fiddle , when in his mind it is he who should control and filter the “news” and stories we are served up by that posse of progs.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:20am
  - Jules99
    
    Question is why did they capitulate? Politicians and powerful people always want to control the media. I don’t really blame HC for trying, but why did the media roll over?
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:35am
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

If you were about to enter intense negotiations to secure an additional *Multi-Million dollar deal* to further benefit your organisation……which of the following candidates would you want on your team?

1. Phil Goof.
2. Pushover Parker.
3. War Donkey Dalton.
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December 7, 2018 8:14am
- sooty
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:22am
- hullkiwi
  
  Dalton. Dalton would win the money, the other 2 would throw the money at someone to ensure they are central to the photo when the ribbon is cut.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:23am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Damn, why can’t I have Donald Trump? He’d get the deal done.
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:28am
  - sooty
    
    Phool Goof was allways going to be a push over. After all he supported fisting and reducing the age of consent to 12yrs!
    
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    December 7, 2018 5:18pm
Yvette

Tamaki says that not allowing his programmes to be used in prisons is a breach of human rights and a breach of the Treaty of Waitangi. He insists he has applied to have them be used.

Tamaki would not tell lies would he?

But rather in any submission to the Waitangi Tribunal for redress, he will surely have documented any application to Government showing what he would present, to whom he made his submission, and communications of any rejection and reasons for that.
That should be easy enough to show media, to prove his point, shouldn’t it?
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December 7, 2018 8:16am
- sooty
  
  Yep! It’s really against the treaty rights!
  Why should not prisoners have to listern to them been sprouted, just like the rest off us.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:25am
- Swifty
  
  This is nothing but a recruitment drive for this ‘church’ (snigger) and so should not receive a cent of our hard-earned money.
  
  The guy is a fraud and a scam artist.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:25am
  - tf78
    
    I think I would prefer Brian Tamaki to recruit rather than the others I would prefer not to mention.
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:02am
- Scott
  
  I don’t agree with Brian Tamaki using the race card and the Treaty of Waitangi to get funding for his man up program. However Brian Tamaki is one of the few people who can reach gang members and help them through a Christian based program to turn their lives around. He is doing massive amounts of good work and Christian charity in South Auckland.
  
  Unfortunately he strikes a massive amount of hubris from our mainstream media and our left-wing secular government. However I think that fair-minded New Zealanders would agree that if he is doing good with a very hard to reach group of people, then he should be given all due consideration when it comes to government funding.
  
  I think we would agree that it is not work that many of us would like to do. His ability to positively impact the gang members should be commended in my opinion.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:27am
  - Dave Mann
    
    The only way to “do good with a very hard to reach group of people” like gang members is to come down hard on them like a ton of bricks and crush the life out of them.
    
    Teaching these assholes imaginary bullshit about a fake ‘god’ isn’t the best solution, frankly.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:03am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      David, atheists (like you and I?) often can’t see the value in it, but some people seem to desperately need to be told what to do with every aspect of their lives – see islamists for instance.
      
      Honestly, if they can be guided by Christianity or Buddhism I’d prefer that to islamism or a gang leader.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:32am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      God is not real but people’s belief in God is real. Prisoners are not rocket scientists and there are plenty of people who only avoid bad behaviour because they think God is watching.
      
      These programmes should be judged on results. I have no idea whether Tamaki’s approach will work, but as long as we are spending money to try to reduce recidivism, he should not be excluded just because we don’t like his moral and religious views.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:48am
    - Scott
      
      Thank you Dave Mann. I shall immediately write to Brian Tamaki and tell him that the atheists are speaking and saying to the gang members we should crush them and take away any hope in salvation and any hope in God.
      
      I am sure they will be encouraged by your fine words.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:52am
      - Swifty
        
        You people have had thousands of years to pull together the evidence for your so-called god.
        
        You’ve failed miserably.
        
        Your attempts on here last week to win me over were pathetic appeals to emotion and once again betrayed the acrobatic logic and desperation you people excel in.
        
        I have no doubt Tamaki has and is doing some good work, in spite of all his lies, and has helped some people turn their life around. But all religions claim this, “Oh but look at all the good work we do” – Hamas does as well.
        
        It doesn’t remove the fact that these types peddle lies and false hope on a daily basis and no modern secular government should be giving religious organisations a cent.
        
        I can just imagine the howls of outrage from Christian quarters if Cindy announced $millions or more going to Islamic associations to fund their ‘good works’ in our prisons – and gathering new acolytes in the process.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:45am
      - Scott
        
        Fair enough Swifty. I’ll keep believing in God and will be doing good in the community. You keep railing against the God you don’t believe in.
        But if someone is doing good and if they are offering people hope then what is that to you?
        You are so sure that God does not exist. But how could you possibly know that?
        It is very unusual to have no religion. Most people who have ever lived believe in God of some sort.
        So you cannot say I don’t believe in God and that settles it. Who in the end are you?
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:56am
      - Swifty
        
        You’re at it again! More slipperiness from you once again Scott. Why do you constantly misrepresent what I write on here? You must stop doing this – it merely reinforces the deceit that you people are known for.
        
        Nowhere have I ‘railed against God’. That would be stupid on my part, as I don’t believe such a thing exists.
        
        ” if someone is doing good and if they are offering people hope then what is that to you?” – nothing. They can fill their boots. What I object to, which was abundantly clear in my post, is that taxpayer money should not be used to fund religion.
        
        Also, I am not sure that a God does not exist. It’s just that I have never seen any compelling evidence of one.
        
        “Most people who have ever lived believe in God of some sort.” – I agree. Most people who have ever lived have believed in devils, angels, fairies, monkey gods, tree gods, mountain gods, animal gods, sea gods, fish gods, sky gods, sun gods, moon gods etc etc the list in near endless. Every single one of them false – as I’m sure for the most part you’d agree.
        
        That most people in our history believe in the supernatural proves nothing, except that we have in us an extraordinary drive to explain what is around us by any means that makes some sense to us.
        
        Who am I? An evolved ape, same as you.
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:22am
  - Yvette
    
    When asked what stage the submission was in, [Tamaki] insisted Destiny Church had lodged a formal application.
    But the Department of Corrections said in a statement the church had never lodged a formal application to run programmes in prisons.
    It said it met with the church to discuss the programme last year and asked for a proposal in writing but never received one.
    Man Up director Caine Warren said attendees in the crowd were evidence the project worked.
    RNZ asked Brian Tamaki to expand on the costs of the project, however the interview was then ended.
    Destiny Church lodged a complaint with the Waitangi Tribunal yesterday, which RNZ confirmed.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/377705/destiny-complains-to-waitangi-tribunal-over-prison-programmes
    
    Where is the “formal application” then?
    What date did did Tamaki submit it to Government and to whom exactly?
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:14am
  - MCos
    
    ‘Bishop’ Brian doesn’t do himself any favours by fronting up on the steps of parliament with a bunch of Mongrel Mob blokes wearing gang patches demanding government subsidies when we all know he lives in the lap of luxury in a flash house and leading an extravagant lifestyle.
    
    “Sell the Mercs & the Hogs and the flash house and give the money to the poor”
    Matthew 19:21
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:16am
    - KevinH
      
      Call me cynical, I find it challenging to believe that the Mongrel Mob are about to revoke violence and intimidation from their charter.
      The Mob is the largest most violent ethnic gang in New Zealand and have a long history of rape and murder. They are recently emerging as the kingpins of the methamphetamine sale and distribution and are interlinked with other criminal groups.
      By using Tamaki’s man up programme they are attempting to legitamise their activities and secure public funding to further their criminal enterprise.
      If they were genuine about their non violent aspirations they would hang up their patches right now and confess to the many unsolved murders they have been party to, and of course none of that will happen.
      
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      December 7, 2018 10:45am
      - VicParking
        
        Man Up and become a Mungy Member, devest youself of your evil Black Power and give me alms as I need a new House for my hand maidens.
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:33am
  - KevOB
    
    Something works with the Man Up program. Bryan Tamaki has assisted many lives to be turned around.
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:11am
    - VicParking
      
      Turned fron black to red
      
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      December 7, 2018 11:34am
  - Scott
    
    Swifty – I never going to convince you that there is a God. That’s fine. However what I object to is that atheist demand that their voices are the only ones in the public square and that all Christians and all religions should be excluded.
    
    That is intolerance. Which I’m sure you don’t want to be.
    
    The idea that Brian Tamaki should be excluded because he is a Christian is not right. If this Christian program is doing something good for people in South Auckland and people in gangs that should be evaluated on its merits.
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:42pm
    - Swifty
      
      It’s not that you are never going to convince me, it’s that you are unable. The facts don’t support your conclusion.
      
      Another straw man from you. I have not demanded that ‘athiest voices are the only ones in the public square’. Religious folk are welcome to make their views known just like anyone else.
      
      I repeat for the second time my objection is with the use of public money – which you again haven’t addressed.
      
      I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion you are a dishonest broker Scott. You continually put words in my mouth and and attempt to address questions I’ve never raised – while failing to answer the ones I have raised.
      
      Has your religion taught you to debate in such a dishonest manner – or have you come up with that all yourself?
      
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      December 7, 2018 2:26pm
- G152
  
  Maybe Tamaki should tell his minions “Don’t break the law and you wont go to jail” or is that racist ?
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:00am
  - KevOB
    
    That comes further on in the program.
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:12am
    - sooty
      
      After you have paid the next installment!
      
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      December 7, 2018 1:01pm
Classic Liberal

Hosking this morning downplayed people concerned about the UN migration agreement and said there was a ‘more realistic’ view.

He obviously needs to understand what is happening in Europe (e.g. in Germany) with men pretending to be ‘minors’ and ‘refugees’ and wandering in without papers. These men were not checked for their age medically, but from pictures and behaviour they are clearly adults. It also became clear that they are on economic migration for the generous German welfare system. They simply strode into Germany and helped themselves to ‘infidel’ girls and women they thought exist for their availability.

This law would prevent me from even writing this fact: islamists do not respect the concept of male/female equal rights.

And CoL actually want such misogynists in our country!
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December 7, 2018 8:17am
- Albert_Ross
  
  You do yourself no favors with such weak argumentation.
  
  Yes, awful things have happened in Germany after Germany opened its borders and let anybody who wanted, in, without any check or consideration as to whether they were really a refugee or deserving of assistance.
  
  However, New Zealand has not done that. Nobody is suggesting that New Zealand should do that. The UN compact will not oblige New Zealand to do that.
  
  There are good arguments against joining the UN agreement, but adding hysterical misinformation into the discussion doesn’t help them.
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:39am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Go on then: add your arguments.
    
    It is a fact that women were sexually abused in front of the Cathedral and that women, girls and boys have been frequently sexually abused by often islamist ‘refugees’ throughout Germany.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      Classical Liberal,
      
      “It is a fact that women were sexually abused in front of the Cathedral…”
      
      ????
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:58am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Cologne main square between the central railway station and the city’s cathedral was the main site of the robberies and assaults.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:00am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Stuffy is vastly ignorant. How can anyone deny that this happened?
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:17am
      - Tall Man
        
        Stupid girl, do a google before you spout stupidity.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl
        
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        December 7, 2018 6:26pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      I’m not denying that awful things have happened and are happening in Germany. I specifically acknowledged that in my post.
      
      What I am arguing against is the implication that signing up to the UN compact will lead to the same things happening here.
      
      The UN compact does not oblige signatories to throw their borders open to all and sundry as Germany did.
      
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      December 7, 2018 7:10pm
      - Komata
        
        AR
        
        Re: The UN doesn’t require etc. etc.!
        
        Agreed, NOT as a directive, but sure as anything, any country that signs up to to anything that emenates from the UN is automatically (and ipso facto legally) COMPELLED to abide by said directives ‘OR ELSE’!!
        
        The full weight of international law is used to coerce and force any signatory to obey, and only countries with clout and strong leaders such as the USA are able to escape what is essentially a spiders web of laws designed to work against a nation’s soverignty and make it subserviant to the UN’s supposedly ‘Higher authority’.
        
        If it is realised that the UN is ‘Globalism’s’ legal arm, such things make sense.
        
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        December 7, 2018 8:09pm
  - igm
    
    Would you like to see this polled? Bet you don’t!
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      igm, no problems with that so long as those polled are well informed of the facts and not hysteria and moral panic!
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:59am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Stuffy thinks that not wanting people to be sexually abused is ‘moral panic’.
        
        And that wanting only immigrants who aid this country and accept that men and women have equal rights is ‘moral panic’.
        
        Hey Stuffy, become a defence lawyer. Next rape case get up before the judge and call the victim’s evidence ‘moral panic’.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:19am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        P.S. Stuffy, you’ve had it now. I will keep reminding KB that you denied the sexual abuse in front of Cologne Cathedral and that you consider fear of sexual abuse ‘moral panic’.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:45am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Classic Liberal
        
        You only have to put Cologne Sexual abuse into Kiwiblog’s search engine and you will find many instances (especially from 2016) where stephieboy is deflecting/denying that mass sexual assaults were occurring.
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:11am
      - freethinker
        
        You should try fact checking before making baseless comments, I do however understand that Commie Socialist’s like you never let facts get in the way of your preferred Lies.
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:20am
      - Tall Man
        
        As a girl I thought you would have had a little more empathy with the rape victims but I suppose the ardern mantra is fuck your own country and grab a few extra rapists as long as they vote for the idiot ardern the liar.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl
        
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        December 7, 2018 6:30pm
Rodney Randall

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/04/countries-shunning-un-compact

KASSAM: WHY MAJOR COUNTRIES ARE SHUNNING THE UN COMPACT ON MIGRATION
4:00 PM 12/04/2018

“It seems the rest of the world is waking up, with a U.K. parliamentary petition now nearing 100,000 signatures in opposition to Britain becoming a signatory. Similar movements are springing up in Denmark, New Zealand and Belgium.”

“The document insists it is based on “human rights law” and “upholds the principles of non-regression and non-discrimination.”

This means a nation-state is agreeing to not alter its own internal immigration policies after signing up to the compact. What supranational governmental organizations call “pooling sovereignty,” and what the rest of us call “giving up sovereignty.”

“Its advocates maintain that is “not legally binding” (of course it isn’t; nothing the U.N. does actually is) and that the implementation is entirely voluntary. But here’s the problem: Why would any nation-state sign up to a non-legally binding arrangement that it doesn’t intend to enforce, in the short-, medium- or long-term?

The truth is the globalists in governments across the Western world are devout in their mission to — as the compact says — “support multicultural activities … that will facilitate mutual understanding and appreciation of migrant cultures” and all the policy-related stuff that goes along with it.

Targeting the free press (Objective 17, 33c of the compact) is just one of the mechanisms by which they hope to get there.

And if you really fancy a laugh (and you kind of hate yourself) read the “Implementation” part of the document, on the last three pages, where the U.N. dedicates itself to dedicating itself to founding new institutions to work alongside existing institutions with the aim of creating institutional dedication through a framework of consultative, dedication institutions.

Oh, you think I’m joking? Go on, read it. I dare you.”

Noone in the govt knows if they are signing it. Winston doesn’t know, but soneone may have to go “if they change it” (WTF DOES THAT MEAN?) but no idea who?

So according to Winston and the SLG, someone may bike to Morrocco for the ratification?

Can one get airline tickets a few days out from the ratification?

The contempt on display for the voting public is second to none.

Time for National, who only came out in oppostion to this a few days when they saw votes ( National were behind this as Key signed memorandum of understanding in 2016) to step up today and SMASH the demented, drunken-drwarf out of the park along with the SLG!

This govt is in lockdown.
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December 7, 2018 8:21am
- stephieboy
  
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  Rodney Randell, there are no plans to dismantle our borders with open slather for refugees and Muslims by Col or the Nats
  
  Fact!
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:03am
  - KevOB
    
    You have that on what authority?
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:14am
    - freethinker
      
      Stoopid Boy interviewed his keyboard then his mirror and surmised there was a majority in favour of his opinion.
      
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      December 7, 2018 11:23am
    - Nermal
      
      His local Imam
      
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      December 7, 2018 4:30pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Her…..
        
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        December 7, 2018 6:35pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern the liar will do whatever it takes to get her arse seated at the UN. She has no regard for NZ or it’s inhabitants, she doesn’t even know where or what most of it’s National Parks are. The only people more stupid than her are her besotted interns.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    staffy is a girl
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:39pm
oldpark

Should we be afraid or very afraid. Check out the real reason for the so called UN Global Compact on Migration. Seems it has been quietly sponsored behind the scenes by Angela Merkel and the Islamic Federations.To justify her fugh up with open borders.
Been reading that our well known Chameleon Peters spurred on by the Far Left Lunatic Green Party is about to sign up to the scam. Being such a two faced arsehole to justify his betrayal of NZs Birthright and Heritage he is citing National as Culpable in the deceit. Completely rejected by National saying they would cancel the selling out of NZs rights on who crosses our Borders.
A list of Nations who refuse to sign up to the scam,virtually open borders are. USA,Austria,Hungary,Poland Australia, Italy,Slovaki, and Czech Republic.
The question is if signing up to it was healthy and was not a problem and a good idea why has it not gotten the coverage which surely as voting citizens in NZ we deserve. After all the Coalition of Corruption and Chaos were not slow on the closure of our oil and gas exploration. When they thought it was a great idea. The latest UN Migration Pact scam should be exposed totally to the Nation. Maybe before the renegades Ardern and Peters sign it.
After all who is in charge of NZ. Sounds it will be UN and Islamic Federations when it comes to emigration into NZ.
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December 7, 2018 8:28am
- Rodney Randall
  
  It is important to realise that a ‘submission’ to the UNHRC was made on behalf of the NATIONAL GOVT.
  
  In this ‘submission’ / ‘review’ the idea of additional Disharmonious Speech Laws were canvassed in order to provide ‘protection’ to Muslims from hurty feelings and offence.
  
  The ‘Submission’ was made by Susan Devoy in July 2016.
  
  Everything about the ‘submission’ reaks of appeasing the UN and O.I.C.
  
  Please forgive me for being skeptical of National’s late to the party change of stance.
  
  The National policy statement is not enough.
  
  EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL MP NEEDD TO TAKE A VOCAL PUBLIC STAND.
  
  Hiding behind a group release is cowardice.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:36am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Agreed. Devoy is an absolute joke. How does she think a woman like her would be treated in an islamist country, what chances in life she would have had?
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:45am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Rodney, National denies this, though I agree they all need to speak out loudly and clearly now:
    
    ” Outside the House, McClay rejected any suggestion National had signed up to an agreement in 2016 that had led to this pact.
    
    He said an agreement had gone through the UN that New Zealand had not spoke out against, but had not actively signed up to – only 15 countries had.
    
    “We didn’t attend the meetings. All countries in the UN allowed it to go through. It was open for signature, the National Government did not sign it – Peters is wrong, but that happens often.”
    
    He said it “felt like this [pact] has been discussed in secret, they won’t release any information, they won’t tell us what to do, four days before the agreement is to be signed.””
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109152868/Foreign-Affairs-Minister-Winston-Peters-calls-out-National-on-UNs-Global-Compact
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:50am
- Classic Liberal
  
  To justify Merkel’s fugh up with open borders.
  To justify Merkel’s fugh up with open borders.
  To justify Merkel’s fugh up with open borders.
  To justify Merkel’s fugh up with open borders.
  
  It can’t be repeated often enough!!! The Merkel fugh up with open borders that led to women being sexually abused in front of Cologne Cathedral on New Year’s eve!
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:42am
secondcumming

What do you call a stolen Tesla ?

An Edison.
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December 7, 2018 8:29am
igm

So murri can now kill knowing home detention will be the sentence . . . words bloody fail me!
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December 7, 2018 8:34am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Ooh, can I too? I found in yesterday’s test that I’m quite disadvantaged…
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:55am
Paulus

Am hearing from my weekly report from Wellington that a serious number of male senior Coalition Ministers are losing favour with their part time Prime Minister.
Several, in the last few days, are openly getting tired of being contradicted (told off publically) by her when she condescends to turn up in Wellington and is not either working from home or at a kindergarten.
Having looked at a list of the senior Ministers I find that I can see disdain from them quite obviously more so recently and and contemptuously.
I understand that she is treating her own Ministers like recalcitrant and naughty schoolboys and they are beginning not to like it. There is only so much that they will support. Robertson is quiet currently but it is believed he is continuing his ways – even with the Princess, now that her polls a beginning to slip.
Some like those in the Peters Party are openly and obviously publically contemptuous of her – see Shane Jones. Am not sure that Peters is not likewise but he only partly shows it in Parliament.
Because she is a mummy is no excuse for the low bullying treatment she is giving them.
A touch of Clark but handled badly.
She will have to learn to treat her own Ministers with more respect or they will turn.
There are already grumblings.
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December 7, 2018 8:36am
- dave_c_
  
  Perhaps they can each give her a Christmas present of either a lawn mower or large mulcher. That ought to send the appropriate signal about how they feel.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:44am
- Poppa
  
  I have heard that behind closed doors she can be a nasty piece of work, sulky & shouty
  
  She is only there to smile & wave at the customers & spend most of her time at photo shoots.
  
  The worst PM in my memory & that includes some poor ones in the past
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:52am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Her behaviour in parliament was sulky and pouty, so I’m not surprised.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:10am
- KevOB
  
  I suspect you are reporting correctly. The Ministers making decisions on the fly among themselves on significant policy issues show fragmentation of the govt. There is Cabinet govt in NZ–not a rag-tag private one. Or is there?
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:20am
Right of way is Way of Right

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12172849&ref=NZH_fb&fbclid=IwAR1ycqekTSllNcKZ8hUSNWPUc0DzbXjRX8EfovyejpWpmlFG36EPHb2OEO0

Air New Zealand Engineers have given notice of strike action just before Christmas!

It’ll be the Cook Strait ferries next.

All aboard, back to the 1970’s. No national strikes on my watch huh Jacinda? I call BS!
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December 7, 2018 8:43am
- KevOB
  
  Back to the 1950’s.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:21am
GazzaW

BACK TO THE 70s!

The inevitable is finally upon us. It’s taken a year but we now have a strike threatened by Air New Zealand engineers for 21 December that will disrupt the Christmas travel plans of 42,000 Kiwis. Good oldfashioned bullyboy union tactics.

Get this sorted Labour and double quick if you want any show of re-election.
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December 7, 2018 8:48am
- Classic Liberal
  
  So, in fact, keep it up Liebore, because I sure don’t want your re-election!
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:11am
  - Longknives
    
    “Back to the 70s”
    
    At least petrol and booze will be cheaper.
    And I can go see Led Zeppelin at Western Springs…
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:02am
    - rangitoto
      
      Carless days. Remember that.
      
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      December 7, 2018 11:24am
- alex Masterley
  
  Bugger, we are travelling on the 21st.
  Arseholes.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:06am
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109165520/strike-planned-for-air-nzs-busiest-day-before-christmas

This is criminal.
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December 7, 2018 9:08am
- dave_c_
  
  Absolutely outrageous – I cannot recollect such tactics being used during the National governments recent reign.
  There was nothing preventing them from doing so. Perhaps they feel COL is a soft sympathetic touch.
  Bastards
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:29am
  - GazzaW
    
    The teachers can strike, the nurses can strike, the bus drivers can strike and Kiwis take it in their stride but fuck about with their Christmas holidays at your peril. There will be huge consequences for Labour if this strike goes ahead.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:46am
Rodney Randall

https://www.indianweekender.co.nz/Pages/ArticleDetails/51/6890/Comment/UN-Declaration-for-Refugees-and-Migrants-Norm-building-for-a-safer-future-for-p

“Prime Minister John Key’s presence in the United Nation’s Summit for Refugees and Migrants on September 19 2016 at New York demonstrated New Zealand’s commitment towards norm-building in addressing the large movements of refugees and migrants around the world.”

Speaking on the occasion, Ambassador Gerard van Bohemen, NZ’s Permanent Representative to the UN, reaffirmed our commitment to the cause, by stating that:

“the challenges posed are complex and multifaceted, and we have a shared responsibility to manage the irregular migration flows”

“We must look to greater and earlier investment in conflict prevention and the implementation of the 2030 Agenda to address the root causes of the current unprecedented flows of irregular migration,” he said.

THE IMPLEMENTATION OF AGENDA 2030.
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December 7, 2018 9:12am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Addressing the root causes of irregular migration seems sensible to me. I’m no fan of Trump, I’ll be honest, but when he referred to ‘shithole’ countries, he certainly hit the nail on the head. Not very diplomatically, but very clearly!
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:23am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Why do so many people have to say ‘I’m no fan of Trump, but…’ before saying anything positive.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:52am
    - howitis
      
      Let me be clear:
      
      I am a fan of Commander in Chief President Donald J. Trump.
      
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      December 7, 2018 11:04am
      - Nermal
        
        Metoo. He’s not perfect, but a vast improvement on many previous presidents.
        
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        December 7, 2018 4:36pm
- MCos
  
  I’d not heard of that particular local web site before, which is hardly surprising since I’m not Indian.
  There is an article somewhat scathing of the two National ethnic Indian MPs in the wake of the Jamie-Lee Ross secret phone conversations.
  https://www.indianweekender.co.nz/Pages/ArticleDetails/65/9947/Political/Indian-MPs-fig-leaf-for-beleaguered-National-leader
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:47am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Not scathing of their ability. Scathing really of the current identity politics that make too many people vote by ethnicity instead of policies.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:55am
    - KeaRea
      
      Read Lee Kwan Yu.
      
      It is intrinsic to diverse societies. It’s too late.
      
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      December 7, 2018 10:02am
    - MCos
      
      It was obvious from the secret conversation recording that it was no coincidence that those two MPs were on the National List because they were representing the Indian community.
      Call it ‘identity politics’ or whatever you like.
      They all do it, as you well know.
      In fact they’re mostly quite open about it.
      
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      December 7, 2018 10:13am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Your point? Mine is that people should be judged on their achievements for all NZ, not by gender, race, sexual orientation etc. etc.
        
        But yes, that is the way of our times. And it just creates ‘divide and rule’.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:41am
      - SGA
        
        Mine is that people should be judged on their achievements for all NZ, not by gender, race, sexual orientation etc. etc.
        
        Ideally, yes. But those other factors always been there, haven’t they? When I was a lad, your chances of getting selected to run for parliament by a major party, and then elected, were much better if you were a white straight male than a chinese lesbian, say 🙂 , regardless of accomplishments or achievements. We probably have a tendency to favour those who we perceive as more like us?
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:57am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I thought we were leaving all that behind us. Instead, we seem to be getting into ever-tighter identity politics.
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:07am
      - SGA
        
        Leave it behind ? That would be nice, but I can’t see it happening anytime soon. I remember an older person complaining about Bolger and Birch (I think) being Catholic (and sounding a little like (((EAD))) talking about Jews).
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:18am
      - Ed Snack
        
        SGA, that can be explained most easily by statistical probabilities; neither of the Chinese lesbians would likely be interested let alone necessarily well prepared to be an MP.
        
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        December 7, 2018 12:59pm
KeaRea

Remember how I relayed to everyone that the Intellectual dark web figures were controlled opposition charlatans? Bret Weinstein, Ben Shapiro and co? Take a look at this exchange were Weinstein really earns his pay check.

Stefan Molyneux@StefanMolyneux
From 800 BC to 1950 AD, 97% of the world’s scientific advancements occurred in Europe and North America.

98% of the significant figures were male.

No white males, no modern world.

Fact.

I’m grateful.

Are you?

End the hate.

Aspire to admire, whatever the race.

Bret Weinstein@BretWeinstein
This is a modern creation myth, delivered as if it were an analysis. It is as inaccurate and self-serving the intersectionalist’s claim that all disparities arise from oppression. Those pushing these stories persuade through flattery. Don’t be fooled. Don’t take the bait.

Lauren Southern@Lauren_Southern
Don’t take the bait? How about have a productive debate and convince people of your position. I’d love to hear this discussion! I’m sure @RubinReport or someone…

Bret Weinstein@BretWeinstein
Not interested in debating it. Here’s why: @StefanMolyneux is not stupid, but his stated position is. That suggests his purpose is not an analytical one.The logic is straightforward. His position is nuts. But he might well advance his agenda, and I want no part of that.

Stefan Molyneux@StefanMolyneux
Can’t find an argument anywhere here, can you? People should just be honest and admit that they are afraid to discuss the scientific reality of human biodiversity because it might get them in trouble. That’s what Jordan Peterson did.

Stefan Molyneux@StefanMolyneux
The “intellectual dark web” is well-paid to keep certain essential facts at bay

((Weinstein)) is a fucking liar. He is a liar and a charlatan. Just another extreme left identarian Trotsky prick like the neo cons masquerading as on the right. Stefan is 100% correct. You cannot trust these people whether its Harvey or Bret.

Do not ‘moderate’ me this time thanks. People should see this. There is nothing to ‘moderate’.

The ineffectual lying dork weasels like Weinstein Shapiro and Peterson need to slither home to the territory of the ‘best ally’. They are of the lie.
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December 7, 2018 9:21am
- stephieboy
  
  KeaRea, lets cut to the chase and ask you ( and maybe Molyneaux ) to explain why the Jewish nation/race win disproportionality more Nobel Prizes than their gentile counterparts?
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:47am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Do they count as ‘white’ in modern identity politics? Do the ancient Greek philosophers and scientists?
    
    I’m getting so confused by identity politics, Stuffy, please explain it all to me! How did I yesterday turn out to be so ‘disadvantaged’ and yet manage to have a good life and don’t feel all bitter?
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:00am
  - KeaRea
    
    When were the Nobels instituted.
    
    Who awarded them.
    
    What happened when the identity of the awarders recently changed.
    
    Nobels really fell off over time didn’t they.
    
    I don’t dispute merit and intelligence where it is genuine. I dispute lies about what happened in the world. I know for a fact that Molyneux is correct and Weinstein is lying like a snake. Weinstein is wrong, there is no disputing that. He knows he is lying that is why he will not debate anyone who is outside his little incest circle.
    
    What is a modern creation myth is that Weinstein isn’t an enemy of truth and of the West. Nobels are quite immaterial.
    
    But isn’t it interesting that a set of charlatans who all believe truth is whatever aids survival lie so shamelessly and lie so brazenly and lie so they never have to debate any one who would show their lies.
    
    He is a liar of the most rank order. He knows he is lying yet he lies anyway. Indefensible. To hell with him.
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:12am
    - stephieboy
      
      KeaRea, Molyneaux never lies?
      
      Joke!
      
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      December 7, 2018 10:34am
      - KeaRea
        
        Molyneux always has a set of links to his source material and always had slides with references. He definitely applies rhetorical techniques. Only a ((Weinstein)) would lie so ludicrously about something so basic and so indisputable.
        
        These are intellectual frauds whose influence on the world is very negative.
        
        I would destroy Weinstein in a debate on this topic let alone Molyneaux.
        
        I don’t know what his problem is. They just have so much hatred for white people and truth apparently they cannot bring themselves to concede obvious facts. No white person Ive ever met has a problem with saying Jews are smart and have invented things. But he can’t do it. If he is lying so obviously about this, what else is the little Snake lying about. This is why there is no post Christian west. Its coming back with a vengeance and all these liars are going to go home. We will have truth.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        KeaRea, the wit and wisdom of Molyneux,
        
        “…white people will bend over backwards to accommodate you, but when they finally get that they’re just being taken advantage of…you will see a backlash, and that backlash will be quick, decisive, and brutal.”
        
        —YouTube video, The Death of Germany | European Migrant Crisis, September 16, 2015
        
        “…the Germans were in danger of being taken over by what they perceived as Jewish-led Communism. And Jewish-led Communism had wiped out tens of millions of white Christians in Russia and they were afraid of the same thing. And there was this wild overreaction and all this kind of stuff.”
        
        —Stefan Molyneux describes the Holocaust in YouTube video, Migratory Patterns of Predatory Immigrants, March 20, 2016
        
        …. etc, etc
        
        I can now understand his appeal to you and may other alt-righters!
        
        The guy is off his tree!
        
        https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/stefan-molyneux
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:48am
      - KeaRea
        
        Lol.
        
        Those are the two items you highlight from Stefan?
        
        Those are just as indisputable as the intellectual estate bequeathed by white men from ancient Rome to 1950.
        
        Kipling wrote a poem about the first point over a century ago in 1917.
        
        It was not part of their blood,
        It came to them very late,
        With long arrears to make good,
        When the Saxon began to hate.
        
        They were not easily moved,
        They were icy — willing to wait
        Till every count should be proved,
        Ere the Saxon began to hate.
        
        Their voices were even and low.
        Their eyes were level and straight.
        There was neither sign nor show
        When the Saxon began to hate.
        
        It was not preached to the crowd.
        It was not taught by the state.
        No man spoke it aloud
        When the Saxon began to hate.
        
        It was not suddenly bred.
        It will not swiftly abate.
        Through the chilled years ahead,
        When Time shall count from the date
        That the Saxon began to hate
        
        Kipling wrote that in 1917. How much more fitting today.
        
        I’ve seen it for myself. It does not matter what one says, thinks or is. One ‘will’ be smeared as an anti-semite and a Nazi and a bigot and a hater of the poor and oppressed and blah blah blah by porcine fatuous imbeciles.
        
        So you best learn that poem.
        
        As for the reality of Weimar, well, yeah. I didn’t even realise that was under dispute. Molyneaux is Jewish, Stephieboy. He is entitled to say what he knows to be true about his people’s history.
        
        There were multiple attempts at communist revolution in Germany in the post-war years fomented and led by Jews and their monies from the United States and the Soviet Union. No serious person would ever dispute this, and no serious person can dispute it. The only reason it’s an area of tension is precisely because of the swinish insistence on disputing truth whilst de-constructing everyone else.
        
        Anyway now everyone can see for themselves the nature of Bret Weinstein. As I said, no one ever denies that Jews are often very intelligent and have invented concepts and tangibles. But Weinstein cannot even state a truth so obvious that it’s negation marks him as an obvious liar, because he’s so full of hatred.
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:15am
      - stephieboy
        
        KeaRea,
        
        Multiple attempts ??
        
        Saxons?
        
        Sasseanachs,
        
        https://www.thebottleimp.org.uk/2013/05/scots-word-of-the-season-sassenach/
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:38am
      - Tall Man
        
        steffy girl is the joke actually.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl
        
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        December 7, 2018 6:42pm
  - KeaRea
    
    It’s good to know that you are aligned now lol whatever happened to your concerns about things like Palestine?
    
    Lets be frank. Nepotism. For the same reason jews with the same credentials as a gentile are 1000% more likely to get into Harvard. Jews awarding each other honourifics like Bret Weinstein only debates people who agree with his lies. Like the Monk debate on political correctness being convened by Jews and moderated by a Jew with all Jews or a man who is a kabbalist purporting to talk on behalf of the West. The whole thingnwas a disgusting exercise in duplicity and formlessness. The consensus was simply that the left need to slow down a tad so they van complete their world revolution over all the nations and human nature. A grotesque spectacle of aliens discussing oxygen they can’t breathe.
    
    That is coming to an end. Best to make peace with it. One can be assured, gentiles won’t need the ‘help’ to scientifically advance. In fact you will be surprised to see just how much it speeds up if the gate keepers were to be prevented from gate keeping.
    
    Weinstein is a shameless liar. He is just as revealed now as Peterson trying to block Kavanaugh.
    
    They support the UN global migrant compact too. And Israel refusing to sign. How? Because they’re soooo smart they can hold two equal and opposite conclusions at once. All charlatans can. It’s their trademark.
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:19am
  - VicParking
    
    Because their minds have not been mushed up by a 6th century slaver and pedophile.
    
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    December 7, 2018 11:43am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Weinstein makes (obliquely) a reasonable point. If scientific and technological discoveries hadn’t come from the west, they would have eventually (though likely not until centuries later) come from elsewhere. Chinese came up with a lot of tech and science advances and were more technologically advanced than the west until the middle ages, their mandarin system was meritocratic and bought out much of the best in their population. There were (and are) more geniuses outside of the western world than within it.
  
  Eg Einstein’s discoveries would have happened within a few more years to perhaps a decade if he had not existed.
  
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  December 7, 2018 12:11pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Well, he’s wrong about the percentage. A goodly chunk of original ideas started in China and India even in ancient times. Take gunpowder and printing for a start.
  
  That he simply more familiar with the European accomplishments doesn’t excuse his ignorance in pontificating.
  
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  December 7, 2018 1:01pm
macdee

bugger, due to travel on 21st, only consolation col’s careless approach to sensitivities of middle NZ further exposed, roll on 2020, if they get that far, where’s my yellow jacket
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December 7, 2018 9:28am
- dave_c_
  
  We have family travelling the 22nd – Where can I get my yellow jacket.
  It’s time to take notice, and support the rebellion of the masses. Strike the bastards while the iron is still heating up.
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Should have gone to Jetstar.
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:40am
KeaRea

As for the Migration Compact what are National waiting for?

Put out social media release infographics that explain why National is against it.

This is easy. NZFirst can literally be disappeared over this. Labour’s anti immigration base can be reached and made to understand they are being betrayed and stabbed in the back. Everyone like Twyford and Little and Ardern who said things about immigration can be quoted and revealed as liars. The Greens can be triggered into ultimatums flying everywhere.

All it would take are three issues: all the passages that end sovereignty.

All the passages thay end free speech.

The section on portability of national super to become an international voucher. This one in particular. Imagine the party that kept it at 65 after years of saying that was irresponsible and stupid aspiring to turn it into an international voucher for anyone who is resident here anfew tesrs

All the passages describing all the gibs

All the passages describing the new bureaucacies.

They need to bypass the media and go out via facebook etc so people start sharing and then the media is forced to pick it up.

They can create a total uproar over this, all without ever having to be ‘anti diversity’ focussed solely on the lack of sovereignty and unfairness of huge expenditures dictated from overseas.
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December 7, 2018 9:34am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Fat chance – you know as well as I do that most of the left wingers in national support this shit as well.
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:42am
  - stephieboy
    
    Wangas Feral, untrue!
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:49am
    - starboard
      
      “FAP”..”ORDLE ORDLE”..FAP FAP FAAAAAAPP”
      goes the sharia bird.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:59am
  - KeaRea
    
    Their position is indefensible by any benchmark.
    
    This isn’t about ethnic preference this is about nation states and the New Zealand voter and freedom.
    
    If that is the case a right wing individual needs to do it and simply flush the left in the National party out if they dare to comment.
    
    There is zero doubt that politically this issue is of profound benefit to the National Party. Anyone whose ideology prevents them from acceding to an issue that can win an election can be shown up for their disloyalty to the party let alone truth, reason and the good.
    
    Let the National left defend this drivel. Id be really interested to hear it. Then let them be defeated on the merits. Apparently no one ever reads primary documents.
    
    If I was leader Id be waka jumpimg anyone who thinks that destroying New Zealand and national super is a wonderful idea because it shows what good little boys and girls we are. I valuenfree speech and this document ends it. How ridiculous that NZFirst would support a document that bans its electoral platform of Winston Peters’ entire career and labels as bigots to be punished by law its entire.vote base. This is indefensible.
    
    Anyone reading this on the right push the issue. It’s not about diversity. It’s about sovereignty and it’s about the government betraying their election platform in a fundamental manner. And It’s about putting pressure on the Prime Minister. If anyone doesn’t like that they are a liability and should be treated as such.
    
    We are quite capable of turning ourselves incredibly diverse without needing to be made to aren’t we. The diversity cult is quite safe.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:55am
tedbear

Any chance the Police and SPCA are called to Pak ‘n Save to arrest/warn/charge bird poisoners and killers?
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December 7, 2018 9:39am
- Classic Liberal
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:10am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    tedbear doesn’t like what happens to frozen chickens. It’s not meat, it’s murder!
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:13pm
- kowtow
  
  Why ?
  
  I’m 100 % behind what PN S are doing .
  
  Don’t like it ? Don’t shop there.
  
  Too much of everyone else telling everyone else what to fucking do.
  
  As to the RNZSPCA , where do they get off being a charity and having investigative , enforcement and prosecution powers? Madness.
  
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  December 7, 2018 1:11pm
burt

How thick do the AGW crowd think the public are.

This article;
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/109167147/humans-blazing-similar-path-to-cause-of-ancient-mass-extinction

This bit;

Water loses oxygen when it warms, much like a warm can of cola goes flat, Penn said.

Yet, we’re regularly being told that warming causes ocean to become acidic because of increased CO2 concentrations.

Coke bubbles – oxygen or CO2 ?

They just make shit up and the religious believers lap it up.
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December 7, 2018 9:47am
- stephieboy
  
  burt, I don’t know where you got that item from? Your link also states,
  
  The ancient die-off “shows almost exactly what lies at the end of the road we’re on,” Deutsch said.
  
  “We’re really doing the same thing to Earth’s climate and oceans.”
  
  The study calculates that if heat-trapping carbon dioxide emissions continue on current levels, by the year 2300, the globe will experience 35 to 50 per cent of the extinction level seen in the Great Dying.
  
  University of Leeds paleontologist Paul Wignall said no current global warming scenario envisions 20 degrees of warming in the next few centuries, so it could be millennia away.
  
  However, even an event 10 per cent as bad as the Great Dying “would be dreadful,” said Wignall, who wasn’t part of the study.
  
  Other outside scientists said the study provides a scary glimpse into Earth’s possible future.
  
  “Because we are warming up the Earth at a rapid rate, results from this study could prove to very useful in understanding” what happens to life in future oceans, University of Southern California Earth scientist David Bottjer said…”
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:54am
  - burt
    
    Tell me – how can it be that in a warm CO2 enhanced glasshouse environments plants grow fast and furious but if the planet warms and has more CO2 there will be food shortages because plants can’t cope.
    
    Tell me – how warm water suspends less gas but if there is more CO2 and a warmer planet the extra CO2 will make the oceans acidic.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      burt , the idea that increased amounts of C02 will somehow be good for plant life is a myth. For example, increased temperatures will lead to heat stress, droughts and other extreme weather events and patterns. This could seriously affect and disrupt food production,
      
      “There are a lot of different pathways by which temperature can negatively affect crop yield: soil moisture deficit [or] heat directly damaging the plants and interfering with their reproductive process.” On top of all that, Moore points out increased CO2 also benefits weeds that compete with farm plants.
      Rising CO2’s effect on crops could also harm human health. “We know unequivocally that when you grow food at elevated CO2 levels in fields, it becomes less nutritious,” notes Samuel Myers, principal research scientist in environmental health at Harvard University. “[Food crops] lose significant amounts of iron and zinc—and grains [also] lose protein.” Myers and other researchers have found atmospheric CO2 levels predicted for mid-century—around 550 parts per million—could make food crops lose enough of those key nutrients to cause a protein deficiency in an estimated 150 million people and a zinc deficit in an additional 150 million to 200 million…”
      
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/
      
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      December 7, 2018 10:14am
      - burt
        
        I’ve urgently contacted my uncle who has 5 very large glass houses (he’s had them for 20 years ) and told him he has it all wrong. That the massive crops he grows by increasing the temperature and artificially increased CO2 levels ( which he has an expensive system for ) are holding back his crop production. I wonder what he’ll say when I tell him he’s had it all wrong for so long !
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:29am
      - stephieboy
        
        burt, growing tomatoes, wheat, barley or Corn?
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        the idea that increased amounts of C02 will somehow be good for plant life is a myth.
        
        Well, why do commercial growers of crops pump CO2 into their greenhouses at levels around 1000 -1500ppm?
        http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-10655/HLA-6723web.pdf
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:39am
      - burt
        
        stephieboy
        
        My uncle just told me I have no f##king idea what I’m talking about – when I told him some random guy on the internet told me he’s got it wrong he laughed.
        
        He’s laughing at you stephieboy, like most of us do daily.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:58am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, the facts too much C02 can be a bad thing for plants
        
        From your link,
        
        Disadvantages
        • Higher production cost with a CO2 generation system.
        • Plants may not show a positive response to supplemental CO2 because of other limiting factors such as nutrients, water and light. All factors need to be at optimum levels.
        • Supplementation is more beneficial in younger plants.
        • Incomplete combustion generates harmful gases like sulphur dioxide, ethylene, carbon monoxide and nitrous oxides. These gases are responsible for necrosis, flower malformation and senescence if left unchecked, resulting
        in a lower quality products.
        • Additional costs required for greenhouse modification.
        Greenhouses need to be properly sealed to maintain a
        desirable level of CO2.
        • Excess CO2 level can be toxic to plants as well as humans.
        • On warmer days, it is difficult to maintain desirable higher
        CO2 levels because of venting to cool the greenhouses.
        
        Note a ” desirable ” level of C02!
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:46am
      - Doctor Who
        
        Plants in glasshouses are growing in controlled conditions.
        
        Not much good having more carbon dioxide if you’ve got severe droughts and fires.
        
        Anyway, more CO2 often means less nutritious food. According to the experts.
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:54am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Oh look, Stephie wrong again (as ever, as always):
        
        “From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.
        
        Results showed that carbon dioxide fertilization explains 70 percent of the greening effect, said co-author Ranga Myneni, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Boston University.”
        
        https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
        
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        December 7, 2018 11:57am
      - stephieboy
        
        UN, dopey! You very conveniently missed this from your link. The article goes onto add,
        
        “However, carbon dioxide fertilization isn’t the only cause of increased plant growth—nitrogen, land cover change and climate change by way of global temperature, precipitation and sunlight changes all contribute to the greening effect. To determine the extent of carbon dioxide’s contribution, researchers ran the data for carbon dioxide and each of the other variables in isolation through several computer models that mimic the plant growth observed in the satellite data.
        
        Results showed that carbon dioxide fertilization explains 70 percent of the greening effect, said co-author Ranga Myneni, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Boston University. “The second most important driver is nitrogen, at 9 percent. So we see what an outsized role CO2 plays in this process.”
        
        Now, why?
        
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        December 7, 2018 1:05pm
  - KevOB
    
    @stephieboy
    You need to read this:
    
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/05/cooling-down-the-land/
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      kevOB, you need to ask yourself who is whatsupwiththat ,
      
      He is Anthony Watts,
      
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts
      
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      December 7, 2018 10:40am
      - burt
        
        Play the ball, not the Mann.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh, stephieboy…
        
        You mean this Anthony Watts who has been providing up-to-date weather and wind forecasts for the folks around his Californian hometown…. when he wasn’t on the front-line fire-fighting
        
        I was busy in my job as a member of the media. I spent Thursday doing special reports for local radio station KPAY about weather and wind conditions, and I spent the night on the front-line of the fire as it threatened Chico, sending in reports, photos, and forecasts based on what I observed.
        
        https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/11/my-status-and-the-status-of-wuwt/
        
        I won’t bother telling you what my opinion is of your nasty personal attacks against folks you know nothing about.
        
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        December 7, 2018 4:11pm
      - Swifty
        
        It’s pointless Maggy – it’s all he ever does.
        
        When he comes across a person or idea he’s never heard, instead of deciding for himself, of he runs off to rationalwiki and lets them do his thinking for him.
        
        He’s pathetic and his playing of the man and not the ball is an ingrained character flaw that he’s way too old to change.
        
        Stephieboy is fucked in the head; forever.
        
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        December 7, 2018 4:17pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘How thick do the AGW crowd think the public are.’
  
  They’ve had a captive audience in schools for at least the last 15 years , pumping out brain washed , uncritical virtue signallers ……and literally almost every day the MSM report any adverse weather event as “climate change”
  
  I think they know that a relatively large proportion of the public are thick ……..just look at how many think Jax is the greatest thing since the retreat of the ice sheets 18000 years ago.
  
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  December 7, 2018 1:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So the kickboxers are the bodyguards for the Hell’s Angels meth drug importers…

Common pattern in NZ, Aussie and Thailand?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-07/bikie-killer-sentenced-to-death-in-thailand-to-be-released/10592150
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December 7, 2018 9:51am
- burt
  
  Read between the lines
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:51am
  - igm
    
    Read Stuff — photographs and articles about the trio: Gnashers, taxpayer-funded stud, and sprog . . . that is all media care about, but sure as hell is making them very unpopular to those doing the paying (taxpayers).
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:56am
    - Longknives
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_the_Soviet_Union
      
      Seriously- Stuff’s gushing over Ardern, Clarke Gayford and the baby isn’t too far away from this…
      
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      December 7, 2018 10:00am
- KevOB
  
  Good observation Maggy.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ve got another one..
    
    Anyone remember that Czech/Slovak kickboxer that got shot by the police in Myers Park a few years ago?
    http://www.thedaily.sk/slovak-kickboxing-champ-shot-dead-by-nz-police/
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/97442637/david-cerven-was-emotional-on-day-he-was-shot-dead-by-police-inquest-hears
    
    Why are all these East European kickboxers ending up in NZ ?
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:52am
    - burt
      
      Read between the lines.
      
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      December 7, 2018 11:00am
    - KevOB
      
      Good work. This is how truth gets uncovered. By assuming corruption and seeking proof we attempt to deny overlooking evidence.
      
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      December 7, 2018 12:48pm
secondcumming

In the midst of a ‘building boom’, it’s becoming harder and harder to attract *skilled staff*.

Papua New Guinea has a different problem…….

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46446719
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December 7, 2018 10:03am
Woz

Here are some excerpts from the job application form for the position of assistant principal at a new primary school to open for 2019 in Christchurch:

Our Establishing Vision, Mission and Motto.

Proposed Vision:
Our learners / ako will be prepared for the future in order to positively influence the/their world.

Proposed Mission:
We are committed to inspire, challenge and empower our learners to maximise their full
academic and personal potential.

Proposed Motto:
Our learners will thrive.

Our Establishing Values
We value being:
Connected – hononga
Inclusive – whakawhāiti
Curious – māhirahira
Collaborative – mahitahi and kotahitanga
Innovative and creative – auaha and auahatanga
Diverse – whakaehu
Trusting – kaitiakitanga
Challenged – mātātaki
Resilient and Persistent – aumangea

Our Learning

At [our school] we empower children to be:
• Happy in themselves, in what they do and with how they act
• Environmentally literate
• Resourceful and resilient
• Enthusiastic contributors
• Thinkers and dreamers
• Informed decision-makers
• Able to relate well to other people
• Effective communicators
• Positive community members (family, whānau, school, country, world)
• Active seekers, users and creators of knowledge
• Passionate for continuing learning for life

Commitment to honouring te Tiriti o Waitangi

The school will work closely with Te Runanga O Ngati Moki at Taumutu, our local marae. Children are actively encouraged to value the dual partnership of Aotearoa. This is done by introducing Te Reo and Tikanga Māori to the students through lessons and incidental teaching. Tikanga Māori and learning about their culture will be an important part of our curriculum. On-going hui will take place throughout the year.
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December 7, 2018 10:06am
- stephieboy
  
  Hard to argue with most of that for prospective job applicants.
  
  Which do you dislike the most?
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:20am
  - Woz
    
    The last paragraph.
    
    The rest of it was just lazy cliched drivel.
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:39am
- KevOB
  
  That haven’t even go the Te Reo right.
  Tokenism.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:39am
- Jules99
  
  Those are the sort of words and phrases that you get on whiteboards after staff training days when participants are asked their opinions. Unfortunately, these are usually people who don’t know how to run an actual school, but it makes them feel special and included. Nothing really changes though.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:59am
- howitis
  
  How many of these words or even concepts existed in Ao Tear Rower 300 years ago?
  Cripes, even Ao Tear Rower as a concept (one ‘country’) did not exist.
  This recently made up morass of words is actually younger than the arrival of white fullas.
  White man’s words precede these recently made up ‘maori words’
  Perhaps the maori should pay the white man for its cultural appropriation!
  Cat among the pigeons, much.
  
  Our Establishing Values
  We value being:
  Connected – hononga
  Inclusive – whakawhāiti
  Curious – māhirahira
  Collaborative – mahitahi and kotahitanga
  Innovative and creative – auaha and auahatanga
  Diverse – whakaehu
  Trusting – kaitiakitanga
  Challenged – mātātaki
  Resilient and Persistent – aumangea
  
  These are mostly made up words of recent times.
  There are half a dozen fullas on the taxpayer tit in Wellington* who are paid to make up these words.
  (*the Maori only arrived in Wellington in the 1830s after being chased down there by gun wielding aggressive Taranaki maori; 2 or 3 years before Wakefield’s lot)
  These sinecured maori are so vain they make up new words e.g. for ‘computer’
  Even the Japanese accept the English word for the likes of ‘computer’
  Not the stone agers.
  I’m not sure they have made up a word yet for ‘sinecure’.
  wonder why?
  
  I knew one of them that worked at ‘modern word invention’.
  I attended his wedding to the white gal I knew.
  He was a right mongrel and beat her bad.
  He changed his name from [white fella firstname] [white fella surname]
  to
  [tiki tiki made up brown firstname] [tiki tiki made up brown fella surname]
  I don’t have any time for a prick that beats up their wife in her own home, or anywhere for that matter.
  There was no cultural appropriation per se for that violence.
  Oh, what’s the maori word for ‘per se’ ? Even English accepts the unadulterated latin.
  
  Made up maori words are pathetic pandering to a race that never achieved much.
  Thank you taxpayer, or whakawhetai koe.
  
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  December 7, 2018 12:02pm
Philview

I see that Stuff are running another article today critical of CEOs who earn more than $2 million per year.

Made me wonder what Stuff actually means, perhaps

S… Socialist
T…Trotskyite
U…Utopian
F…Feminist
F…Federalists
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December 7, 2018 10:07am
- Longknives
  
  Whatever you think of their salary CEOs work their arses off and do massive hours…
  I’d say a Public Servant ‘working from home’ and getting $500k is a far greater concern!
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:25am
Fletch

Huawei’s C.F.O arrested in Canada for extradition to the U.S.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/business/huawei-cfo-arrest-canada-extradition.html
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December 7, 2018 10:07am
- KevOB
  
  Extraordinary.
  A foreign national is arrested in another country on a a whim of the USA .
  
  Where is the rule of law as exhibited by the Magna Carta?
  Can the yanks litteraly do that as they please to foreign citizens? Are we now all citizens of the USA?
  
  If it is true that Bolton knew of the arrest while POTUS was arranging a trade truce with the President Xi that suggests the USA are two faced. The retaliation could be horrendous.
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:45am
  - KeaRea
    
    It could only have happened if the Chinese agreed to it Kev.
    
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    December 7, 2018 11:43am
    - KevOB
      
      Yeah. Statements like without evidence are inflammatory.
      I stuck to the facts: the USA have turned into global bullies without colour of right.
      
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      December 7, 2018 12:54pm
  - kowtow
    
    Whatever about the Magna Carta , she’ll have all sorts of legal protections in Canada and if there’s no evidence will be released pretty damn quick .
    No way the Canadians are going to arrest and detain on a whim.
    
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    December 7, 2018 1:32pm
    - KevOB
      
      Why didn’t they say no?
      
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      December 7, 2018 4:29pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  arrest is one thing, extradition quite another.
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:49am
  - KevOB
    
    Under what right of law was Meng arrested? She is being held on spec while the Canadians wait for charges from the USA.
    
    This is reminiscent of the 10th century.
    
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    December 7, 2018 1:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A sensible article on one of Aussie’s climate patterns

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-07/indian-ocean-dipole-dominant-cause-drought/10571802
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December 7, 2018 10:10am
tedbear

Maggie
In that article “Australia’s rain originates in the oceans..”
Gee, who’d have guessed?
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December 7, 2018 10:16am
- stephieboy
  
  MW , ” maybe”
  
  tedbear , since 71% of the earth’s area is covered by oceans your comment seems rather silly. A closer read of the article will explain the vital role of oceans in forming freshwater precipitation
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:26am
  - Poppa
    
    Yeah it is all that climate change causing it Stephie
    
    It never rained before all that happened
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:28am
Longknives

Watching highlights of President Bush’s funeral I am left in no doubt about one thing-
Michelle Obama is a nasty piece of trash.
How many more public occasions do we have to watch this vile woman sitting sneering and pulling faces through? She certainly did her best to let everybody know she didn’t want to be there..

Melania Trump on the other hand is pure class- Certainly the most beautiful and inspiring first lady for many years..
It must just pain Barack to look over and compare wives!
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December 7, 2018 10:23am
- stephieboy
  
  Longknives, can you mind read or is it most likely the subjective impressions of your own personal prejudices, loathings and pet hates?
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:29am
  - Longknives
    
    Maybe I can read minds Stephieboy!
    I’m pretty confident I know what’s going on in yours right now…
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA5Pjw_cZn0
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:32am
    - stigie
      
      Close but no cigar Longknives ?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtVbo_NN2Zk
      
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      December 7, 2018 2:12pm
    - Swifty
      
      The billy goat of bullshit 🙂
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06MWCKbXb58
      
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      December 7, 2018 2:18pm
- Fletch
  
  Any time you walk through The Warehouse, you can hear in the ads between the Christmas music, Michelle Obama’s new book being hawked, complete with a little snippet of Obama herself reading a few sentences. I don’t know why this is, but I am getting sick of it….
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:39am
  - Longknives
    
    Ye Gods- I’d rather read ‘The life and times of Morrissey Breen’ than anything written by that dreadful Obama woman…
    
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    December 7, 2018 10:52am
    - starboard
      
      Speaking of morris..its F-Friday again down at the local, ” can I push your stool in, sir “
      
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      December 7, 2018 11:08am
- Woz
  
  Our Forever First Lady is clearly possessed of a gargantuan sense of superiority. No mind reading required.
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:06am
  - Longknives
    
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/05/03/michelle-obama-says-im-your-forever-first-lady-students
    
    Ugh!
    Her arrogance and pure ignorance is revolting…
    
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    December 7, 2018 11:13am
    - lifesgood
      
      I saw a video of Trup and Melania walking into the funeral service for Bush. Hillary looked like thunder when he walked past. Obama sat there with his chin tilted arrogantly into the air. Body language says a lot!
      
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      December 7, 2018 11:34am
      - stephieboy
        
        lifesgood, and prejudiced and biased mind reading says so too.
        
        Now, what about the President? Smarmy, slimy, unctuous, fawning…”
        
        Carry on….
        
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        December 7, 2018 12:54pm
- Woz
  
  Ha! With Bazza’s documented history of rampant rooting, I have wondered what shudders run through his mind when that gorilla of a wife grabs him by the necktie and coos at him.
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:09am
- godruelf
  
  Never mind Barry how about Bill when he looks at Hillary
  
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  December 7, 2018 12:22pm
  - Woz
    
    He doesn’t. He looks at anything else in a skirt.
    
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    December 7, 2018 4:58pm
- Manolo
  
  True. Marie Antoinette is unrefined vileness.
  
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  December 7, 2018 2:44pm
- Nermal
  
  Imagine how Billie Clinton feels!
  
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  December 7, 2018 4:46pm
  - Nermal
    
    Sorry, repeating what godruelf said earlier. Wasn’t able to delete it.
    
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    December 7, 2018 4:53pm
Poppa

Just in case anyone needs reminding, it is just over 2 weeks until Xmas

I hope all kiwibloggers have a happy & safe Xmas & thanks for the laughs & thoughts during the year
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December 7, 2018 10:26am
- secondcumming
  
  Thanks Poppa!
  And it’s great news for insomniacs….only 4 more sleeps.
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:08am
- Woz
  
  What have you got me, Poppa?
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:09am
  - Poppa
    
    Your mother says that you have been a tad naughty this year, so bad luck
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:42pm
    - Woz
      
      My mother tells lies.
      
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      December 7, 2018 4:58pm
Jack5

Someone with “inside” knowledge may be able to tell us whether it’s true that Muslims are proselytising in our our prisons – recruiting – while the Destiny Church is shut out.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/377705/destiny-complains-to-waitangi-tribunal-over-prison-programmes
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December 7, 2018 10:27am
- cmm
  
  There was some Muslim outreach mob at work in NZ prisons, but I don’t recall the details.
  
  All prisoners are served Halal (Sharia Law) meat.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10602130
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:11am
  - Komata
    
    Jack / cmm
    
    I can assure you that muslim ‘evangalism’ in the prisons is continuing and being stepped up (Don’t ask how I know), with the gangs in particular being specifically targetted.
    
    It helps to have ‘converted’ bros around when you decide to deliberately stir up trouble (which in this country won’t be too long in coming).
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:15pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    My religion requires that as a sacred sacrament I consume only scotch fillet with truffle sauce and vintage Dom Perignon in pint mugs. Gonna be fun for the prisons meeting my religious dietary requirements should I ever end up in gaol.
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:27pm
- SGA
  
  I’m not sure what the issue is with Destiny exactly, Jack5, because other Christian groups seem involved in prisons.
  https://pcsanz.org/about-us.php
  I’ve no idea about Muslims – whether it might be a organised thing, or inmates trying to spread their faith.
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5, hows the”Medina “of the South Pacific panning out in Dunedin?
  
  Even if Mozzies were proselytising in Prisons
  
  So what!
  
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  December 7, 2018 12:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Pretty sure the moslems wouldn’t have much talk time with you steffy girl, they don’t waste time on talk.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a girl
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:22pm
Steve (North Shore)

Pearl Harbour, 77 years ago today (tomorrow for Americans)
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December 7, 2018 10:43am
- Longknives
  
  I recommend visiting Pearl Harbour (in particular the Arizona Memorial) to anyone.
  It is a moving and sombre experience.
  Arizona still leaks oil into the Sea- makes it seem eerie and not so long ago….
  
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  December 7, 2018 10:46am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Did it June 2015. The Arizona Memorial is closed for repairs atm (cracks in boarding dock) Should be open Mar 2019.
    No bags, purses etc, just a camera is all you are allowed.
    Overwhelming
    
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    December 7, 2018 11:07am
  - Poppa
    
    Totally agree, very moving actually
    
    We would not be here if had not happened
    
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    December 7, 2018 12:43pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      And the CHILDREN are not being taught this!
      After WW2 and Korea my Uncle returned to Japan and brought a Wife home from Tokyo. Frowned upon by his mates in the Army. Uncle died 4 years ago, Aunty Mikeno passed 2 days ago.
      My message is, you are not responsible for your ancestors doings – it is history and can not be changed. Pity the kids are not being taught this.
      Back to Pearl Harbour, RIP for those on both sides.
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:48pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I hope your uncle and Aunty Mikeno had a happy life together. My father served in Egypt/Libya/Tunisia/Palestine/ Italy etc. and was part of the retreat across Crete.
        One of his mates hooked up with an Italian lady who followed him back to NZ and they had four kids together before they both passed away in the last 20 years or so.
        These things happened in the war, and helped bring the world closer together.
        
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        December 7, 2018 7:56pm
softail 1450

Holy Crap the DOW is tanking ,lets hope we aren’t headed for another 2008 ,can you imagine this pile of shite we have in government getting us through
a very rough worldwide recession while saving the vulnerable folk from the “rough edges” as Big Bill used to say?
It was -555.34 at 10.30 ,its now -698.29,,,,
FFuuuuccccckk….
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December 7, 2018 11:10am
- Jules99
  
  Most people say it’s going to happen and probably bigger because the banks were bailed out last time. It’s just a matter of whether it’s this year, 2019 or 2020. Diversify your holdings – don’t hold everything in one bank and keep some cash to one side (look at how things panned out in Greece a few years back). If you’ve got a bit spare, holding some gold or silver wouldn’t hurt either. I personally hold some crypto too but am obviously not giving financial advice. My prediction is that BTC will drop to $2K US next year before going up again.
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:14am
- All_on_Red
  
  The reality that the Dems now control the Budget in Congress is sinking in…
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:16am
  - softail 1450
    
    All on red ,,exactly, forget about scaring the horses the horses are bailing out ,,,,,
    There have been spurts of selling and buying all day but its heading south, damn ,we can do without this….
    
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    December 7, 2018 11:23am
softail 1450

DOW. ,now -740.47,,,, NO. -780.65 ffuuuccckk….
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December 7, 2018 11:14am
- Manolo
  
  Do not panic, my friend. Those of us who lived day-by-day through the 2008 GFC know very well how you feel today.
  
  Steady yourself up (a single malt always helps). 🙂
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:17am
  - Colville
    
    Manolo.
    I seem to remember you drinking your way thru a few Argentine wineries to help you thru the 08 crash! 🙂
    A great trip!
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:41pm
- Richard
  
  Good time to buy unless your very close to retirement. In which case you should have converted to cash and govt bonds long before now….
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:31am
- KeaRea
  
  Ah I see one of my fav Youtubers with millions of subscribers has been deleted overnight.
  
  Lol the Globalists are going to tank the world economy.
  
  Lets see how that goes. There are 100,000 security forces on the streets of France right this moment. This time everyone knows the fall will be orchestrated.
  
  I remember when the Dow fell ‘666’ on the ’33’ day of the year and everything I thought about the world was modified accordingly.
  
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/dow-falls-666-points-capping-worst-week-on-wall-street-in-2-years
  
  Have a look at the events prior to the Dow randomly falling 666 on the 33rd day lol.
  
  “Nous nous adressons à la population, c’est le calme avant la tempête !!! Faites des provisions, de l’essence /gazoil, faites le pleins en nourriture et médicaments !!!
  
  “To the general population. This is the calm before the storm!!! Set aside provisions, gasoline/oil. Stock up on food and medications!!! We are going to blockade everything on 10 December!!!
  
  Anyway there is a recession every 10 years do the everything bubble bursting is overdue. It will be interesting to see the intensity of it however. That will determine many things.
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:40am
  - starboard
    
    Buy gold or gold stock, sit back, hang on.
    
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    December 7, 2018 11:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    KeaRea, don’t forget to stock up on your cans baked beans and bully beef!!
    
    LOL
    
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    December 7, 2018 11:50am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      LOL
      
      Not. Such a dick. Least your retirement fund is sweet Stephie-herpies, can’t lose what ya don’t have aye goat shagger
      
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      December 7, 2018 4:25pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yet another pointless mindless piece of drivel from a pointless and mindless intern.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:13pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Everyone seriously involved int he markets has known this was coming for the last year or two – it was just a matter of when. Most people I know have long since moved to conservative investment strategies in anticipation of the crash.
  
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  December 7, 2018 12:30pm
softail 1450

Manolo,its times like these that all the hard work over the years puts a person in a comfortable position no matter what comes along,and the ability
to look after family if worst come to worst…
My guess is that some bad shit is on the way in the not to distant future..
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December 7, 2018 11:27am
stinkypete

https://youtu.be/Bif2q_Zo3-4

RIP pete shelley
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December 7, 2018 11:29am
rangitoto

Great news for Morrissey:

https://twitter.com/dannydanon/status/1070797441325297664
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December 7, 2018 11:33am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Actually the resolution to condemn Hamas didn’t pass because a few fuckwits (like NZ!!!) abstained.
  
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  December 7, 2018 12:32pm
  - rangitoto
    
    CoL = Dirt Bags
    
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    December 7, 2018 2:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Speaking of Morris Dancer, Where is he?
  Has he finally realised that within 5 minutes of posting his crap he’s bombed out of existence?
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:05pm
softail 1450

stinkypete, in those days the music would somehow reverberate right through you.
The cloned shit that passes for music these days is pathetic when compared to those times,mind you me folks used to laugh like a drain when they heard it….
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December 7, 2018 11:36am
- stinkypete
  
  try Idles
  coming to auckland in jan too
  
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  December 7, 2018 11:56am
rangitoto

Microsoft giving up on their Edge browser. It will be redeveloped based on Chromium, which is the Open Source version of Google Chrome (ie Chrome with the Google proprietary stuff removed).

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/12/06/microsoft-edge-making-the-web-better-through-more-open-source-collaboration/
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December 7, 2018 11:49am
- Jack5
  
  Those interested in Chromium-based browsers might be interested in the selection at:
  
  https://www.raymond.cc/blog/chromium-browser-alternatives-with-extra-features/
  
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  December 7, 2018 1:31pm
- brett68
  
  Thank fuck for that.
  
  The webgl support was shit.
  
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  December 7, 2018 2:29pm
- Nermal
  
  I wouldn’t use either, prefer Firefox
  
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  December 7, 2018 4:57pm
RW Capitalist

W E L L 2018/19, welcome to the retro ’70’s
Back them it was the rail ferry’s wrecking your holidays with strikes.
Now it’s Air NZ.
Both are the unions.
How rich we have become, thanks to National Govt.s, that we are now inconvenienced by air travel.
Now we are to be made poorer by a Labour govt., no surprises from me, I’ve lived long enough to see both.
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December 7, 2018 12:52pm
Rich Prick

It now appears that KiwiBuild ballot winners are turning their noses up at the houses they are being offered:

Five of the 25 total properties at Auckland’s 240 Onehunga Mall Development were rejected by the ballot winners, and the runners-up.

Oi feckers(!) we are spending $2b to get you into the property market you claim to be locked out of but desperately want to get into. They should gracefully accept what we are giving them. KiwiClusterFuck.
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December 7, 2018 1:48pm
- Longknives
  
  ‘But, But…We wanted our Dream villa in Ponsonby!’
  ‘Jacinda pwomised!!’
  
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  December 7, 2018 2:07pm
- Poppa
  
  Hang on….Phil said that this was going to be the kiwi wet dream
  
  The only one having a wet dream is him, every time he puts on his hi viz & hard hat for photos
  
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  December 7, 2018 3:40pm
  - sooty
    
    Every day, in every way!
    Once a wanker, all ways a wanker.
    
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    December 7, 2018 5:26pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

An interesting commentary on Huawei:

“So Huawei has hired 100s of thousands of people all over the globe, sent them into mission critical telecom infrastructure with a mandate to never lose on price and lose money in perpetuity to gain control of the Telco infrastructure.

It’s likely impossible for an independent entity to operate this way with no regards for ever making money while simultaneously taking over control of much of the worlds critical telecom infrastructure. I think it’s a state-backed faux business.

I think the gig is up, the worlds intelligence communities are on to the scam, and the wealthier countries are going to lock them out. But the rest of the world will have no choice but take their free poison pill.”

https://twitter.com/bryanrbeal/status/1070754481086828544
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December 7, 2018 2:23pm
- wreck1080
  
  But DPF said he trusts them because he was given a free trip to china to attend a Huawei presentation ( I assume it was free as he said he was invited and usually that means they pay right?)
  
  My opinion is that Huawei is a risk. Even if they are doing no wrong today, does not mean they will behave in future. The spooks have it right.
  
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  December 7, 2018 3:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    We’ve got our own 5-eyes passing on tapped data to the USA. Huawei are just competition. We have no evidence just the markets been grabbed already here.
    
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    December 7, 2018 4:39pm
Manolo

Can the UN disgrace itself even further?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46477163

A US-sponsored resolution condemning militant group Hamas for firing rockets into Israel has failed to pass at the UN General Assembly.

The resolution won a majority of 87 to 57, with 33 abstentions, but did not reach the required two-thirds backing.
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December 7, 2018 2:47pm
- oob
  
  Do you ever get tired of the Jews telling you what to think, chap?
  
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  December 7, 2018 3:41pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Do you ever get tired of ardern the liar telling you what to think…
    
    Sorry, my mistake, you obviously can’t think for yourself, just parrot racial hatred.
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:06pm
    - oob
      
      And here’s the perfect example.
      
      Once upon a time rightwing thought won in the arena of ideas, we left stupid to the Left. When did we start welcoming intellectually subnormal morons like Tall Man into our ranks?
      
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      December 7, 2018 7:02pm
- DigNap15
  
  I read that NZ “abstained” very poor behaviour!
  
  You are either with the terrorists or you and against them.
  
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  December 7, 2018 4:06pm
  - oob
    
    Agreed.
    
    Israel isn’t a real country, it’s a despicable terrorist organisation occupying someone else’s.
    
    Anyone supporting Judaism is a supporter of terrorism.
    
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    December 7, 2018 4:25pm
    - Komata
      
      Oob
      
      You’re an avowed Hamas supporter then?
      
      And, perhaps a muslim?
      
      (Asking for a friend).
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:03pm
      - oob
        
        Great question chap.
        
        Like every person informed on the issue, I’m implacably opposed to Wahhabism.
        
        Judaism and Wahhabism are both despicable, though obviously Judaism is worse.
        
        Hamas’ Salafism is too close to Wahhabism for comfort and I would prefer the PLO to be representative of Palestinian opinion. Correctly if perhaps unfortunately, the Palestinian’s right to self-determination supercedes my preferences.
        
        Here is the truth: the Jews are illegally occupying Palestine, and the fact they are and are supported by the Americans is the central cause of all the problems the world faces today.
        
        Hamas is the vehicle the Palestinian people have chosen to fight against Judaism, the greatest threat to civilised humanity the world has ever seen. And whilst Hama’s might not be prefect, fighting against the evil of Judaism makes them righteous.
        
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        December 7, 2018 6:16pm
Fletch

According to the internet, the Japanese character symbol for “noisy” is three of the symbols for “women” together 😆

https://www.facebook.com/memezarrr/posts/2256228504633893

Can’t make this stuff up. My brother asked a mate who is Japanese, and it’s true…
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December 7, 2018 3:12pm
wreck1080

Here is why people don’t use buses…My son was at bayfair mall in tauranga, planning to get a bus back home to the mount.

They are redeveloping the mall, and the old busstop has been demolished since June this year. So, he walks around a bit looking for where it has been moved but cannot find it. So, calls me

I check online , and the bus service map still shows the buses as driving through the old bus stop. I see a link to intercity buses which mention they stop on the other side of the mall, i told my son to check and he says he does not see any buses stopping over there (they are not that frequent anyway).

So, I call the bus service phone line, and the woman on the other line tells me the buses still stop at the same place , next to the demolished bus stop. I explain to her, that it would be almost impossible for the buses to even drive through the modified construction area and she starts getting a bit agressive at me for not believing her. But, the website still says they go there, and there are no service notices under the service notices section so maybe I am wrong?

I tell my son to go and wait where the busstop used to be… he does so for a while and says the buses are just driving past down the main road and not coming to where the bus lady said they would.

So, I phone again , and someone else answers, puts me through to a manager who tells me they moved the bus stop to another location in june, but they just didn’t update the website or bother to tell their phone staff!!! The bayfair bus stop is a mini hub too, you’d think the bus people would know where their bus stops are located!
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December 7, 2018 3:47pm
- DigNap15
  
  Bus usage has gone down in the last two years by a few percent each year.
  You would think that with the increased congestion and the increased population that bus patronage would be up!
  Maybe its because most people don’t want to use a bus (if they have a car)
  They also don’t want to use bikes and risk getting run over and battle in the wind and rain.
  F..K the councils!
  
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  December 7, 2018 4:05pm
- Viking2
  
  go bus don’t give a hoot.
  They are out on their ear in the next few weeks and NZ Bus take over. their new 1 million dollar electric buses are being stacked up in the yards at the end of Chadwick Rd.
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:12pm
Hugh Pavletich

… JUST UPDATED … PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING website … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …

Following a lull through the first part of the year (as explained below within the June 2018 Update), thankfully, New Zealand is back on track as the global leader, in dealing with the structural issues (land supply and infrastructure financing) impeding the supply of new affordable housing.

Let the updated ‘2018’ and ‘2018 – Articles Of Significance’ sections speak for themselves !
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December 7, 2018 4:00pm
- KevOB
  
  New Zealand is back on track as the global leader
  
  Not bloomin’ likely. Govt is now by group huddles of MP’s with the PM advised afterwards of their decisions.
  Sorry Hugh, this lot are not up to scratch to carry out reforms. They don’t know enough and believe they know everything and can do it. The only “advice” they take is from sycophants. AI would do better. Your concerns are sound but this COL can’t attend to them.
  
  The reforms will have to wait. Meanwhile the GFC seems to be kicking in. Next year may be historic politically.
  
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  December 7, 2018 4:51pm
- Longknives
  
  We hadn’t heard much from you for a while Hugh- I was concerned you may have actually bored yourself to death!
  
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  December 7, 2018 5:01pm
  - Swifty
    
    His lizard needed a rest….
    
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    December 7, 2018 5:43pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Last September / Ovtober certainly was significant political progress …
      
      Gone Gone Going: The Demise of New Zealand’s National – led government … Performance Urban Planning
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
      
      Nine years of playtime politics was more than enough … even for this (excessively tolerant) Tory !
      
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      December 7, 2018 8:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        You should move to Wanaka Hugh. Plenty of houses down there apparently.
        
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        December 7, 2018 8:34pm
    - Swifty
      
      After that little rest, and his maggot all healed up, he’s now back wanking with renewed vengeance and fury.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:54pm
- Viking2
  
  Please send a cheque urgently for the bridge you wanted.
  
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  December 7, 2018 9:08pm
Surely Knott

1. Massive changes being proposed to school structure with questionable impact on democracy, 2. UN migration compact about to be signed which again will have a fundamental effect on NZ sovereignty and is almost being done in secret by a government that ran on an anti-immigration platform, 3. Jailed drug dealer almost granted residency and the public aren’t allowed to see who made representations and their links to the powers that be……..and the NZ herald headline is…. Simon Bridges and some idiot with a burner phone texting nothing of significance.
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December 7, 2018 4:18pm
- Longknives
  
  The Sroubek affair should be front page news until the truth comes out (If it were a National Government they would be tearing the house down demanding answers!)
  
  But no- Another lame attempt at smearing Bridges.
  And right under that they are crying because ‘Evil America’ executed another inmate! (Probably Trump’s fault)
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12173144
  
  *Right at the bottom they briefly mention that this piece of dirt raped and murdered a young handicapped girl… (But such things are merely ‘Collateral Damage’ to Lefties)
  
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  December 7, 2018 4:37pm
Swifty

Is it just me or are we seeing lots of these lately – spurned Indian men killing women:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109167951/man-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-murder-of-exwife
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December 7, 2018 4:31pm
- kowtow
  
  I think some people call it the diversity dividend , the same people would have you celebrate and embrace your new found enrichment the undoubted benefits of immigration and ‘multiculturalism’, whatever the fuck that is.
  
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  December 7, 2018 7:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow. all kinds of heinous crime are committed in NZ and there is no colour or ethnic bar there!
    
    Check this out.
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/368828/serial-rapist-should-get-substantial-sentence-ex-detective
    
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    December 7, 2018 7:31pm
cmm

Yesterday I happened to listen to RNZ in the car.

Some damn activist going on about how terrible that Maori death rate from heart problems is twice the rate?

So what?

Everyone has to die. Therefore Maori death rates from all causes added up are exactly the same as Pakeha: 100%.

If more Maori die of heart problems (lifestyle choices?) then less are dying from some other cause for which Pakeha rates will be worse.

But no, expect a whole lot more spending on a “problem” that can’t be fixed.
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December 7, 2018 4:44pm
- Longknives
  
  “You might be a King or a little Street Sweeper- But sooner or later you dance with the Reaper!”
  
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  December 7, 2018 4:59pm
- stephieboy
  
  cmm, always something out there for you to have a good grizzle and whinge.
  
  Carry on…
  
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  December 7, 2018 6:15pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Is that what ardern the liar tells you to say?
    
    Using spell check now are you?
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a girl
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:53pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease.
  LIFE
  Nobody gets out alive.
  
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  December 7, 2018 6:35pm
Woz

Just listened to David Millane speaking on the radio about his missing daughter. Poor fucker, I can’t even begin to imagine.
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December 7, 2018 5:11pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Lets hope she just partied too hard and will slip back in embarrassment.
  I don’t want to think too hard about any alternatives.
  
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  December 7, 2018 6:33pm
Longknives

27 Cops working on the case already.
This is very grim…
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December 7, 2018 5:14pm
- secondcumming
  
  Last seen entering the City Life Hotel with a male who they have spoken to and remains…… ‘a person of interest’
  
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  December 7, 2018 5:25pm
DigNap15

I see the union guy from the Air NZ engineers has an English accent.
Why are most or all union official English!

“Tell the pooblic”
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December 7, 2018 5:17pm
- secondcumming
  
  Time to get out that old T-Shirt….?
  ‘PUNCH A POM A DAY’
  
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  December 7, 2018 5:26pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Including the missing daughter’s Dad?
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      Stay classy stupidboy.
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Just a reminder that blanket Pom bashing belongs to ages past that can lead to misunderstandings. and prejudice.
        
        Agreed?
        
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        December 7, 2018 6:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        I don’t agree and would close off further immigration from the UK until we can figure out what is going on.
        
        Poms have infiltrated the government service in NZ and are mean spirited controlling authoritarians. Their class based elitist views are incompatible with egalitarian Kiwis.
        
        They are also untrustworthy people, especially in the workplace.
        
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        December 7, 2018 6:27pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc,
        
        “Poms have infiltrated the government service in NZ and are mean spirited controlling authoritarians. Their class based elitist views are incompatible with egalitarian Kiwis.”
        
        See what I mean otherwise a load of utter piffle!
        
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        December 7, 2018 7:27pm
    - Longknives
      
      What the Fuck Stephieboy?…
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:21pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Nice to see just how low you can go. I guess you can learn as you have learned to be a scum bucket like your adored leader, ardern the liar.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:49pm
    - secondcumming
      
      You on solids yet stephieboy….or are they still feeding you with a spoon? FUKWIT
      
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      December 7, 2018 7:00pm
- Biscuit
  
  DigNpa15., that is so true.
  
  Back in the benighted days when I had to be a Union member, all our reps were Brits.
  
  And, just as depressingly, so too were all our (Association) Football coaches.
  
  Exactly why, re both, I could never quite fathom…
  
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  December 7, 2018 5:54pm
- MrTips
  
  The guy talking about the education report was pommie too.
  
  NZ is a dumping ground for insane pommie unionists and managers. It’s got to stop.
  
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  December 7, 2018 5:59pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Mr Tips, I vividly recall a sane Kiwi Industrialist ( c 1974 ) remarking that the pom organisers and delegates had the keenness and enthusiasm that apathetic locals like you lacked!
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:19pm
    - MrTips
      
      I didn’t know there was a union for your job Stephie…. making decorative ornaments from circumcision leftovers.
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Whereas stupid moronic sycophants of the “ardern the liar like yourself are useful for what……postinng mindless drivel.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 7, 2018 6:45pm
  - stigie
    
    That reminds me, had some poms stay 4 nights in our holiday rental. The first time i have had any bad feedback in all these years was from these whinging bastards.
    They said our house was a “dumping ground for unwanted utensils”. I couldn’t believe what i was reading at the time but did know they weren’t brand new but well above average.
    I replied back to the site that these people were unsuited to other baches around NZ because they insisted on have cutlery etc for fine dining and probably would require a butler…..
    
    I fucking got redemption !~
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    Mr Tips, I think an English accent will be soon nostalgic for white New Zealanders.
    
    The education reports will be in Mandarin, with subtitles in Maori.
    
    The union spokesmen will be speaking Mandarin, too, or Hindi, because local-born NZ kids are being shut out of the work force in favour of cheap imported labour.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:37pm
    - stephieboy
      
      The Dunedin Medina mecca syndrome!
      
      Invariably fatal if not treated with facts and evidence!
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:46pm
      - Jack5
        
        From the improved punctuation and the obsession with exclamation marks, we have a new Stephie rostered on Kiwiblog duty by Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.
        
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        December 7, 2018 10:11pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109167951/man-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-murder-of-exwife

This is a good example for re-instating the death penalty.

How many people are now going to waste many years of THEIR lives looking after this piece of shit: feeding him, dressing him, protecting him, giving medical and dental support, pandering to his cultural and religious requirements, making sure he has all the educational and psychological support he feels he requires, etc etc.
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December 7, 2018 6:08pm
- realityczech
  
  If she had killed him then the media would portray her as a victim of abuse and the dead man as the offender.
  
  You have too much faith in the system.
  
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  December 7, 2018 6:21pm
- howitis
  
  Just what I said two weeks ago
  • NOVEMBER 14, 2018 5:36PM
  
  Watch the Indians fill our prisons and it won’t stop.
  
  I was tracking it to three years ago with all the burning bodies but there is too much Indian crime to track now part time!
  Wife beatings and murder; ex girlfriend murder; even murder because you are infatuated ; child killings and maimings.
  
  Plus bullshit Indian economists like Ganesh Nana , Shamubeel Eaqub = complete bullshiters plus that silly bint yesterday about retirement pensions.
  
  The fkg diversity dividend
  This is the dividend where WE pay and pay
  Low life scum.
  Bring back the death penalty for spouse and child murderers plus home invasion.
  Exterminate the feckers forthwith.
  If people are not safe in their own home……
  
  As you say GB, why should we feed and house this scum?
  
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  December 7, 2018 6:48pm
  - realityczech
    
    “I was tracking it…Exterminate the feckers forthwith.”
    
    Were you tracking crimes by Jews as well?
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:51pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc , Honkeys too?
      
      https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/368828/serial-rapist-should-get-substantial-sentence-ex-detective
      
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      December 7, 2018 7:34pm
    - howitis
      
      No bro I’ll leave that to you.
      You do a solid job
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:43pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Add to that all of their corrupt practices in restaurants, immigration, kiwifruit contracting, drivers licensing, and probably more.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:18pm
RW Capitalist

I see Ray Avery and his incubator.
Have been investigated and NOTHING was found.
So just Helen Clark’s pathetic attempt to get traction for a waterfront stadium?
(cancelling the concert to raise money for the incubator)
Labour anti social advancement, unless they instigated it.
Sports stadiums are a higher priority.
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December 7, 2018 6:29pm
RW Capitalist

The court has opened it up for the Engineering council to go after the designer of the CTV building.
He should have a simple defense.
But it did survive a major earthquake, just not 2.
Maybe you should be looking for the idiot that let them back into an earthquake damaged building, after the first earthquake?
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December 7, 2018 6:39pm
- MrTips
  
  Precisely RWC. Like the stony faced wanker engineers and inspectors at the inquest who just shrugged it off “not my brief”. Absolute pricks.
  
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  December 7, 2018 7:05pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes it is those engineers that gave the green ticket that should be charged.
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:14pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJhxJcSGZA
replace “this is cursed”
with
“this is climate change”
and you have the CoL environment policy.
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December 7, 2018 6:51pm
secondcumming

Home alone tonite so went to New World and got one of those frozen Hawaiian Pizzas for dinner. Just burnt the fucker!

Probably should have put the oven on aloha setting.
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December 7, 2018 7:11pm
- nasska
  
  Tight arse! You should have liberated the moths from your wallet & let your fingers do the walking.
  
  Get your pizza delivered & a hot Chinese happy girl for afters. 🙂
  
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  December 7, 2018 7:47pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/12/bill-evans-rba-drop-tightening-bias-stay-hold/#comment-3243702

AUSTRALIA: Construction activity in Australia is crumbling at rates not seen for several years | Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-economy-property-market-construction-downturn-gdp-2018-12

• Australia construction activity plunged at the fastest pace in nearly four years last month.

• Apartment and housing construction recorded the fastest deterioration in six years. Commercial work also weakened for a fifth month.

• New orders were either unchanged or fell from a month earlier, suggesting the weakness may get worse in the months ahead. … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 7, 2018 7:44pm
- nasska
  
  If you ever proof read your comments Hugh, you’d wash your cyanide tablets down with a bleach cocktail! 🙂
  
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  December 7, 2018 7:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

National MP to lay privileges complaint against Winston Peters
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12173184

The Sroubek Affair isn’t going away.
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December 7, 2018 7:52pm
- nasska
  
  From Maggy’s link:
  
  …..””Immigration NZ tried to push a her out in front to take Sroubek on, a person who she is already scared to death of … to help save a Minister. It’s a total disgrace.””…..
  
  That one is going to be a challenge for Labour’s spin maestros.
  
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  December 7, 2018 7:59pm
  - realityczech
    
    They don’t need to spin it. The media will cover for them.
    
    They will minimise it. Run distraction stories about National and arrange a photo shoot with the vile spoor of the cursed union.
    
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    December 7, 2018 8:11pm
    - nasska
      
      Poor little Neve! ?
      
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      December 7, 2018 8:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        The cynical exploitation of that child is disgusting.
        
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        December 7, 2018 8:17pm
Viking2

there will not be anymore strikes under my Leadership , she said.
No. the unions will not be going on strike more she advised.

Well how is that holding up.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109168845/talks-may-avert-petrol-tanker-driver-strike

Tanker drivers, AirNZ 2 bit engineers, nothing yet from the seamans union but the holidays are close so expect to be held up.

Back to the good old days of bullies.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109165520/strike-planned-for-air-nzs-busiest-day-before-christmas
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December 7, 2018 8:03pm
- realityczech
  
  Is it your position employees are company property and have no rights?
  
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  December 7, 2018 8:08pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Is it your position that the public are the union’s property and have no rights?
    Back to the ’70s here we go.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:01pm
    - realityczech
      
      The contract is between the employer and employee. Not the public. Using your flawed logic the employer should give the workers whatever they demand to ensure the public good is served.
      
      It is fuckwits like you that give the right a bad name and will ensure Labour gets another term. Maybe two more.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        No human scum or filth for the ol’ Captain – just fuckwit?
        
        You’re slipping Kea.
        
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        December 7, 2018 9:50pm
      - howitis
        
        Have you got itchy powder in your grots RC?
        You are in a grumpy fecker mood tonight.
        
        Can I recommend a glass of West Brook Pinotage 2012 served at 12 deg C 🙂
        
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        December 7, 2018 9:52pm
  - Viking2
    
    Nope it was hers. remember
    
    The best rights are the rights of the individual. Unions don’t recognize those rights but only their taken rights to molest another individual, namely the company.
    $1400 for a 40 hour week ain’t champ change plus overtime at 1.5 or 2 times that rate.
    Plenty of others don’t make that and many of the ones that do are just your average airport staff.
    
    The word engineers is a misnomer for many of this lot.
    
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    December 7, 2018 9:06pm
    - realityczech
      
      “The best rights are the rights of the individual.”
      
      Yes like the right to withdraw their labour.
      
      And a company does not have human rights moron.
      
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      December 7, 2018 9:32pm
Manolo

Serious stuff:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6471487/White-House-Chief-Staff-John-Kelly-expected-RESIGN-soon-Trump-stopped-speaking-him.html

White House insiders expect Chief of Staff John Kelly to resign in the coming days.

Sources told that Kelly, a decorated Marine Corps general brought in last year, is ‘expected’ to leave the White House before the end of the year, and the announcement could come as soon as Friday.
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December 8, 2018 6:52am
DigNap15

Its 9.14am on Saturday
Does this mean its going to be another GD free Saturday.
I wrote to DF a while ago about the varying start time for the GD and that it should be 8am.
Since then it has almost always been on at 8am.
I know its a free blog.
Bit it is annoying when you want to see what is happening or make a post and there is no GD.
As mentioned before it should really be at 6am, as many of us go to work early.
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