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Kathleen Zellner shows how to properly investigate a murder, and shows a vast exercise in noble cause corruption in season two of Making a Murderer. Here is a selection of points made by a proper criminoligist and researcher. All New Zealanders are well advised to watch this season, preferably watch season one first. There is a major lesson to be understood. Be cautious however, it is doubtful Bobby Dassey is the killer.

“- Zellner’s firearms consultants found that the bullet in Avery’s garage, which revealed Halbach’s DNA when swabbed and tested, had been fired through a piece of wood. Wood fiber was embedded in the slug.

– Zellner’s DNA consultant immediately noticed that the swabs for the hood latch and the car key quantitated at 10x the normal level for epithelial DNA from handling an object. Zellner performed a series of tests to show that the DNA levels in these samples could not have resulted from ordinary handling.

– Zellner established that Halbach marked up her day planner during the course of the day she disappeared, because her notes reflect calls she received that day. She did not have time to take it home. Therefore Ryan Hillegas could not have found it in her house as he claims he did. It was in her car.

– Zellner noticed a series of calls from a blocked number that were made to Hillegas during a narrow time frame on the night before Halbach’s car was found in Avery’s junkyard. These calls went through a cell tower near the junkyard. Zellner surmises that police were in contact with Hillegas while he moved the car, instructing him on what to do. The calls kept dropping because it is a marginal coverage area.

Zellner has shredded the case against Avery. She has also established what really happened. Someone lured Halbach to a remote area, killed her, loaded her body in the back of her car, and returned later to incinerate the body. Then the car was moved to a place where it would be easy to find. A local truck driver reported it to Deputy Colborn the day the missing person flyers went up. From then on, half the county was complicit in the frame-up, apparently because they all believed Avery had done it.”

Note, this guy is fascinated by New Zealand murder stories.
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December 6, 2018 8:01am
- Longknives
  
  Anyone up for a sweepstake?
  I say Notsofast gone by 8.20am…
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:05am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Thanks to an up tick it may be slightly longer, try 8.33am?
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:09am
- Lance
  
  …………………………….. oh shit
  
  Another day of banging the drum for Lundy
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:06am
- cmm
  
  Dude, this is entertainment, not to be taken too seriously.
  
  Whenever someone finds a “consultant” my skepticism is triggered. Consultants and expert witnesses are often far less capable than juries are led to believe and are seldom unbiased.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:07am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …not unbiased, to coin a phrase, follow the money. Consultants always come at a price, and truth and objectivity aren’t necessary in the consultant’s tool kit.
    
    There speaks a former management consultant….
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:13am
    - Notsofast
      
      Kathleen Zellner uses her own money, she can afford to. She is the exoneration queen, a pro bono expert who shares the massive spoils at the rainbow’s end. A seriously quality person. Her consultants are proper scientists. She has no interest in bullshit, she is determined to deconstruct the lies perpetrated by the state.
      
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      December 6, 2018 8:21am
      - hullkiwi
        
        The cynic in me, says you have swallowed a lie just their.
        
        Such philanthropic champions are the stuff of fairy tales and fiction.
        
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        December 6, 2018 8:27am
  - Notsofast
    
    cmm, This is entertainment to be taken extremely seriously, it is about how to lock up an innocent man and make him die in captivity. It takes complicity by the people.
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:15am
    - kevn
      
      @Not… Start your own blog.
      
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      December 6, 2018 8:19am
      - Notsofast
        
        I am too fond of you lot to leave the party.
        
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        December 6, 2018 8:22am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Bryan Bruce also showed how to investigate a murder. His episode on the double murderer Mark Lundy (perhaps you’ve heard of him?) was extremely enlightening.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:14am
MT_Tinman

Yesterday saw another attack on democracy from the duck, the harridan demonstrated once again it’s not fit for purpose and Jimmy twomums announced he was giving away another $100,000,000 of taxpayer money.

Just another normal day at the office then.
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December 6, 2018 8:04am
- freethinker
  
  Surely time for National to put a vote of no confidence in the speaker.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:16am
  - KevOB
    
    I’m hoping for that this afternoon. Speaker Mallard is by his own admission hard of hearing on one side. That is proving sufficient alone for him to step down.
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:37am
    - igm
      
      Mallard is a typical left-wing leech who relishes any form of authority bestowed on him because, like his ilk, he has neither ability nor qualifications to earn it.
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:03am
      - Paulus
        
        Come come now he was a Teacher so he knows how to teach Children !
        
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        December 6, 2018 1:29pm
    - KevOB
      
      Both sides of the House and Mr Speaker were on best behaviour today (Thurs 6Dec18).
      
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      December 6, 2018 3:52pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    what is the point? It will be defeated by the CoL.
    
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    December 6, 2018 12:57pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  It’s all very well being distracted by the trail dragged in front of us all, but it is just that – distraction!
  
  If we look back over the past few months of shambolic dishonesty by the CoL these are their wins:
  – Shroubrek is now guaranteed to be able to stay in NZ (think Kim Dot Crim – he’s still here) the fiasco of the “stay”, “no, GO” “45 mins to flip through the file before making the decision” has given Shroubrek everything he needs for a good lawyer to convince an activist dud judge to say “natural justice” and leave the crook here to deal to the Auckland media community
  – Labour Youth Rape camps – safely buried and no casualties. The sheeple have been headed off and it’s Xmas so it’ll never surface again
  – Jan Thomas – remember her? I read plenty of commenters here who were totally confident she’d be gone in weeks. Well us sheeple were put off and now we’ve forgotten and we’re all worked up about the duck instead. Meanwhile that fascist bitch is free to strangle free speech and poison the minds of the future – all that’s happened is she’s been burned and she’ll be more careful about her thought-control
  – conservatives Molyneaux and Southern didn’t get to speak but the treasonous and mentally ill Brad Manning did. Wow big win there for the right
  
  The left are winning, admittedly it’s because the media are covering for them and helping distract us sheeple.
  
  Next 10 days, probably announced at 11.59 on Xmas Eve – SLG is going to sign away NZers sovereignty to the UN by signing the Migration Pact. No media coverage, no public debate. Just opening the door for our very own ~~criminal savages~~ migrant caravan – funneled in at our own expense courtesy of the UN.
  
  What a fucking year! I have no idea what all the crowing is about SLG’s flakiness in the House. She’ll just turn up less and less and get away with more and more.
  
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  December 6, 2018 7:57pm
Longknives

Once again- Kudos to Simon Bridges for his comprehensive dismantling of Ardern yesterday!
I have seen plenty of Crown Prosecutors take people apart on the stand and that was as good as it gets- Ardern just crumbled…
Don’t expect the ‘People’s Princess’ to reappear anytime soon- She was humiliated yesterday and the reality that she is hopelessly out of her depth and simply not clever enough to get away with repeated lies will be sinking in…

Keep the foot on the throat National! The truth re Soubrek has to come out soon…
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December 6, 2018 8:05am
- cmm
  
  At one point PriNZess seems to be bracing her hands to stop them from trembling.
  
  Winnie takes a slug of water from the glass with the “shit I really need something a bit stiffer” look.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:09am
  - Longknives
    
    Listen closely to her voice throughout the cross examination as well- At the start it is confident and assertive, by the end it is cracking and wavering all over the show…
    If I was a juror I would wonder what she was hiding?
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:12am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      She looks unwell. Her “mmm, ahhhs” came thick and fast and she couldn’t maintain eye contact with anyone. Very sketchy performance from her.
      
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      December 6, 2018 8:16am
      - dave_c_
        
        ‘Sketchy’ ? She looked like she wanted to go and cry on mums shoulder
        
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        December 6, 2018 8:23am
      - G152
        
        Dont worry.
        Mallard will protect her.
        Just like he did yesterday.
        Bridges only stated the obvious
        
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        December 6, 2018 9:18am
    - cmm
      
      “Listen closely ”
      
      It was all I could stomach to watch with the sound off.
      
      That does help show the body language though.
      
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      December 6, 2018 8:26am
  - sooty
    
    How about going to work for a full day and a full week.
    After all it’s what we pay you for!
    Useless, is what you are Comrade.
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:15am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    The old Vodka in the drink bottle trick. The teachers suspect nothing!
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:17am
- alloytoo
  
  Ignorance can’t really be used as an excuse after you’ve claimed insider knowledge.
  
  Let’s “read between the lines” shall we.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:15am
- redeye
  
  Anyone who thinks Barry Soper and Winston Peters are not working from the same song sheet should watch the bottom video in this article.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109117323/national-leader-simon-bridges-kicked-out-of-the-house-after-questioning-pm-on-sroubek
  Soper is answering Winstons questions for him.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:15am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    As I stated earlier, Soper is still digging himself out of Labour internal polling hole. 2 holes in his argument A. The leak of Nats polling at 41% was when the left were claiming they were polling in the 30’s so it may not have been a purely anti Simon leak- they also did not reveal Simons personal polling. B. 46% was achieved a week later after Simons tax announcement. No new taxes = 5%. NZ needs some higher IQ journalists. Simons take down of Jacinda was very impressive.
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:07am
- tas
  
  I assume you are referring to this?
  https://youtu.be/NFjCqvMawCA
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Transcript and video clip here:
  
  https://yournz.org/2018/12/05/bridges-brownlee-ordered-out-of-parliament/
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:19am
  - niggly
    
    So far no-0ne (eg MSM, slippery Soper etc) has explained why Speaker Mallard was rising to his feet when Simon Bridges was still asking a question to the PM.
    
    The narrative has been Simon Bridges said something “he shouldn’t have”, but that happened after Mallard rose (as PG’s transcript confirms).
    
    So why was Mallard rising to stop Simon Bridges mid-sentence questioning the PM?
    
    Clearly Mallard was being partisan and wanted to stop Simon Bridges further exposing the weak and feeble Prime Minister.
    
    If so perhaps it is time that National put a motion of no-confidence in the Speaker, it will be a great way to end the year and best of all the Duck will be fuming all summer long until Parliament resumes in 2019 and he awaits his fate!
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:01am
    - riffer
      
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      TBH we won’t know what the Speaker was going to say because Bridges interrupted him.
      
      Whatever your politics, this was a clear breach of the rules, and the Speaker was quite right to eject him. It was not a matter of the Speaker trying to protect the PM. He most likely would have said to Bridges that his question was out of order and that he should repeat it in an orderly fashion.
      
      National seem to be turning into a bunch of snowflakes under Bridges.
      
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      December 6, 2018 10:27am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well I suppose having a snowflake like ardern the liar in the house makes it hard for the rest to behave like adults as she cannot answer a single question honestly.
        
        Calling National snowflakes is funny coming from the left. Your fear of Simon and his team is palpable.
        
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        December 6, 2018 11:33am
- alex Masterley
  
  Being cross examined by some-one who knows what they are doing is not a pleasant experience.
  I know that from personal experience of both being examined and watching it happen to others.
  And the PM will know that.
  She will also know that unlike a court case where the cross can be over in hours and once complete that is it, she will be asked questions in the house on the subject regularly. she will start to dread the chinese water torture.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Looks like there’s going to be a prolonged appeal case by Sroubek’s lawyers.
    Jacinda will have to swat up ALL the background on Sroubek and his well-connected mates.
    
    Her constant umming and aaahing is beginning to show how hopeless she is at deflection/or having facts at her fingertips.
    
    Didn’t Mike Bush tell her that his cops had released details of Mrs Sroubek’s location to immigration?
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:33am
    - sooty
      
      Are they able to call her and Slease into court?
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:24am
- Rich Prick
  
  The question that really rattled Cindy was “do you know any of these people personally?”
  
  If I were to “read between the lines”, I’d say the boyfriend’s martial arts mate asked a favour on behalf of an incarcerated friend. The boyfriend, being a big-noting blowhard said “sure I’ll get the misses to do us a favour”. She wanders around to ILG’s office (last time it was Clare) and gives instructions. It all unravels from there.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:44am
  - harvey wilson
    
    What was her answer to the question?
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:51am
    - Rich Prick
      
      A load of gobbledygook. It wasn’t “no”.
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:55am
      - sooty
        
        It’s the coverup that kills you!
        
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        December 6, 2018 11:25am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Then there is the curious unannounced visit by Immigration and Police to the ex-wife at a secret safe house. Could it be that there was no new information for ILG to base a decision to reverse residency on, so some had to be manufactured? A retraction of a character reference could just be the “new information” Cindy and ILG needed, so did they arrange for that to happen? Of course, these are just questions after reading between the lines.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:39am
  - Wired-one
    
    Yep, ive heard from several sources that this was the case. A similar question was also asked in parliament in regards to Mr Hardcore, Ardern ducked dived and weaved. It’s about time the media did their job and looked into this.
    
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    December 6, 2018 3:05pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Yep, no wonder she was rattled …
    
    https://twitter.com/simonjbridges/status/1070486532807520256
    
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    December 6, 2018 3:33pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      It is not going away.
      Chinese water torture anyone?
      
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      December 6, 2018 3:36pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Interesting pics. Helen was looking happy
      
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      December 6, 2018 4:12pm
- Komata
  
  LK
  
  Do you (or indeed anyone), have a link please; I’ve searched, but to no avail.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:22am
The Heat

Oh. Dear. God.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/109109456/Hilary-Barry-again-proves-she-is-awesome-on-social-media
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December 6, 2018 8:05am
- Longknives
  
  Somebody dares criticise her show and she launches into them and brings their kids/grandkids into it??
  That’s not very classy…
  What a piece of work Barry is!
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:08am
- dime
  
  mother of the nation BAHAHAHAHAHA
  
  oh wait, she handed that off to chompers. but shes not partisan.
  
  im surprised stuff didnt use the words EPIC comeback or something.
  
  they have a major hard on for barry. god knows why
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:09am
  - LTA1955
    
    Another “Best of the Bullshit” from the TVNZ mausoleum…that place is looking like the wedding breakfast from Great Expectations!
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:17am
  - The Heat
    
    Or “Amazeballs”
    
    Just when I think the MSM couldn’t get any more bimbo, they break clear through the bottom of the barrel.
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:32am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Mutti Clinton…
    
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    December 6, 2018 2:22pm
- graham
  
  (Hillary) Barry, among many trollers on the page, reminded the troller that the issue should be important to him.
  
  “Tell you what princess, when you’re all grown up into a big man with an open mind you might have a daughter who just might benefit from the rest of us women sticking up for her rights now,” she wrote. “So cool your jets babes and in about 20 years or so, get back to me and tell me what you think. xx Hilary”
  
  Umm … I thought we were supposed to be calling out bullying when we saw it, not celebrating it?
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:57am
  - harvey wilson
    
    I’ve never understood the media obsession with her and Anika Moa . They condone behaviour they would consider entitled or awful from both of them they would criticise others for.
    
    Lorde is on her way there too, imagine if say Steffi Key was 15 and seeing a 23 year old man ? Lorde did just that but apparently she’s right on enough that there’s no issue.
    
    https://spy.nzherald.co.nz/spy-news/lorde-splits-from-boyfriend/#ath
    
    The way her concert sales are going she’ll be back hosting some left leaning tv show in a year or two.
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:34am
    - sooty
      
      She’s an artist, don’t you know!
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:27am
    - lifesgood
      
      I think New Zealand women should be ashamed that these two low life females are held out as representatives of them. Moa is just repulsive.
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:31am
- Woz
  
  Hilary Barry thinks that smart-arse is the same as smart. She’s quite vulgar and stupid, in reality.
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:01pm
hullkiwi

Brownlee couldn’t condemn Duckie on Red Radio to Espiner, but effectively pointed out that he is the Worst Speaker Ever. I suppose it is quite apt really goes with the Worst Government Ever!
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December 6, 2018 8:06am
- Harkman
  
  Making Mallard speaker is an embarrassment to our Democracy. The simple fact people in this country have repeatedly voted this guy back in is also a disgrace.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:58am
  - sooty
    
    He was on his last legs as an MP and was rescued by Labour in his las ditch effort to relievance. He is useless and allows corruption in parliament!
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:28am
- tf78
  
  At the end of Parliament yesterday David Carter very politely had a little chat to the Duck and told him to re-read the day’s questions and reflect on his performance. I thought it was gold. (although he did agree that Simon shouldn’t have disagreed with the chair). As far as I’m concerned respect should only be given when it’s due and Trevor is not due any.
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:31am
  - MCos
    
    David Carter is in no position to lecture Mallard on how to conduct qt.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:39am
calendar girl

Question Time in Parliament yesterday was a little different, notwithstanding LK’s comments above. Not just because the National Leader was ejected from the House by an increasingly irascible Mallard, but – equally tellingly – for some changes of personal demeanour on the part of PM Jacinda Ardern.

Ardern yesterday presented herself in a less arrogant and pouty manner when responding to questions directed to her. Much of her response material provided little information of great value, but was delivered in a manner that displayed rather less of the petulance and arrogance to which viewers have become accustomed of late.

Moreover, after each of the answers that she provided, Ardern sat down in a more natural and dignified manner – rather than flopping back angrily into her green-leather-upholstered chair in a gesture that has shown her displeasure at having to undergo direct questioning in the House.

Clearly one (or possibly more) of Ardern’s political advisors – maybe Ardern herself –is an alert follower of this blog. Kiwiblog has carried several comments recently about the PM’s customary petulance at being asked questions that she considers to be beneath her station to answer. And her advisor(s) would be able to assess the damage that she has been doing to the dignity and personal decorum that should always attach to Prime Ministerial pronouncements.

How long will Ardern’s fresh approach continue? She remains naïve and inexperienced, and lacks natural leadership skills at her now-elevated level of office. She seems to be under considerable personal pressure much of the time, but at least now she may have taken on board a few helpful tips from her Kiwiblog fan club!
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December 6, 2018 8:06am
- dave_c_
  
  Do NOT be deceived. Such false behaviour does NOT change the underlying scumbag incompetent that she is.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:12am
  - calendar girl
    
    I never commented on her acting ability, dave_c_!
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:22am
- hullkiwi
  
  May be she knew that Duckie was going to ring protection for when she had had enough of answering questions she was refusing/not having to answer.
  
  Which raises questions about the impartiality of Duckie to do his job.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:19am
  - cmm
    
    “May be she knew that Duckie was going to ring protection”
    
    Of course she did. They knew what was coming and he was primed to step in.
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:28am
    - tf78
      
      He always does and not just for the Princess.
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:37am
    - double d
      
      They have a special code for when Duckie needs to go into “protection mode”
      It is ummmmm, aaaaagh, welll, ummmm he said … they did it too ….. ummmm
      Snap – Duckie on his feet
      
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      December 6, 2018 1:47pm
- flipper
  
  Ardern has the two arch dykes advising her…. H1 and H2, no less.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:23am
- kevn
  
  @cg… The puppet masters have been doing some training with JA have they?
  I did notice the angry body flomping action had lessened, I did wonder if it might cause her to accidentally piss herself.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:23am
Lance

Duncan Garner was a smarmy little shit again (must be a weekday ending in ‘y’)
Bending statements to favour Labour and wishing the National party a happy holiday as they go off to their holiday mansions.
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December 6, 2018 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Probably been at the same punch/koolaid as Soper.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:20am
- igm
  
  It is easy to see why a guy whacked him in the mouth in a bar. Garner said it was because he disliked his clothing . . . I reckon the guy knew who he was. Pity he was a useless scrapper, never even put a solid dent in the wanker’s frame.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:47am
alloytoo

When will the MSM start challenging Ardern’s lies, they do their own credibility no good, as they continue to ignore the obvious.
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December 6, 2018 8:09am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sorry, “MSM” and “their own credibility” in one sentence, are you feeling all right?
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:22am
  - alloytoo
    
    As I post from my hospital bed…. (kid you not)
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:31am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Sorry, for foot in mouth. Wishing you all the best.
      
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      December 6, 2018 8:47am
      - alloytoo
        
        Don’t be sorry, your remark was entirely acceptable.
        
        I should be discharged today, just waiting on tests.
        
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        December 6, 2018 9:18am
    - tf78
      
      Get well in time for Christmas buddy! All the best.
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:39am
      - alloytoo
        
        Thanks for the kind thoughts, I’ve just completed a successful Chemo regime and got the all clear, so I’m feeling VERY positive about the holidays.
        
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        December 6, 2018 12:19pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Alloytoo, that is good news. All the best.
        
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        December 6, 2018 6:27pm
- freethinker
  
  Reported on AM this morning Newspaper circulation down 9% this year, the MSM are not fast learners.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:31am
  - sooty
    
    May it continue at a faster rate. Media are not journalist.
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:37am
Sofia

‘Privacy is critical’ in Sroubek’s residency case – Winston Peters
The deputy PM said he’s read over the case and is fully satisfied with the minister’s conclusion.  … and one of the things that is bound with the decision is the privacy issue, because it goes to the very safety of the people involved,” said Mr Peters.
Mr Peter’s comments came after Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern also defended Mr Lees-Galloway’s decision … https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/privacy-is-critical-in-sroubek-s-residency-case-winston-peters.html

“Rather than front up to a bad decision to let a convicted criminal remain in New Zealand, Mr Peters went on the attack while answering questions on behalf of the Prime Minister last week, trying to discredit the concerns by saying Mr Sroubek’s estranged-wife was a ‘National Party informant’ …

“The family of Mr Sroubek’s ex-wife have rightly had enough. They say Mr Peters has caused immense stress ‘and a feeling of utter hopelessness’.

“Now her family has even greater fears for her safety, saying Mr Peters has ‘placed a fair and square target on the back … of a vulnerable young woman already dealing with enough challenges under the circumstances’.
https://www.national.org.nz/pm_needs_to_discipline_deputy_pm_over_attack

Everything Winston says should have a Best By Date on it.
The above “very safety of the people involved” took less than 30 days to flip to a total reversal.
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December 6, 2018 8:10am
- alloytoo
  
  “People involved” can be loosely translated to mean “Winston Peters.”
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:44am
- labrator
  
  I wonder with that precedent does that mean Turei’s family were informants for Labour? After all they benefited most from the Greens’ lemming run over the cliff of moral superiority.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:33am
Andrei

This shot was taken in Paris yesterday
Photo of the year?
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December 6, 2018 8:12am
- dave_c_
  
  Classic, but alas would be the same or worse if this were to occur in NZ. NZ’ers are such an ignorant breed, for a country proclaiming to be in the ‘first world’ club.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:17am
- VicParking
  
  Looks at bit like Golriz
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    No champagne glass and the snout too far out of the trough.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:50am
secondcumming

This from a woman’s perspective……

My missus reckons we could well see Simon’s line of questioning of the accidental PM, particularly in relation to the Scroubek fiasco, ease back somewhat. She thinks Simon is really a ‘big softy’ at heart, and will have detected just how rattled and uncomfortable the ‘new mum’ has become.

She also thinks he may even be under a bit of pressure on the ‘home front’, not to come across as a bit of a bullying koont.

Wimmin!!
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December 6, 2018 8:13am
- Jules99
  
  One of the arguments made for not putting women in combat roles was that the men would try and protect them and by doing so, put the mission at risk. Of course, modern feminism is trying to stop men from protecting women because it’s sexist.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    You find the cliff and get her there…I’ll push her off..ardern the liar, not your missus 😉
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:51am
oldpark

Noticed yesterday in question time in NZs cess pit in Parliament . Simon Bridges asked the Peters selected woman PM Commie Chic Comrade Ardern a question about the drug runner and Gangster Sroubek.Her face took on the pallor of fifty shades of bad shit. No way was she going to answer.
Suddenly her pit bull guard dog came to her rescue. A rat bag and sick fugh called Mallard saved her from crapping herself.
He banished Simon Bridges out of the cess pit along with Gerry Brownlee. Seems Simons question hit a raw nerve with the small town twerp masquerading as NZs PM.
In view of not answering basic questions on Sroubek by Ardern, seems not a good look.
Perhaps maybe a visit to our Police Commissioner Mike Bush on what is going on in the Sroubek fiasco. Wonder will he shed some light on who or what Sroubek was supplying with illegal drugs. Go on Mike ,tell the Nation of NZ ,make our day. Just saying.
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December 6, 2018 8:15am
- freethinker
  
  If the Bush Kommander is running protection for the COLL perhaps he has a personal involvement with Sroubeck – just asking.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:34am
  - sooty
    
    Just reading between the lines!
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:38am
Paulus

I have been BULLIED today already – what do I do ? – will Newshub listen to me please.
Perhaps I should call the Auditor General, Tova O’Brien or Barry Slopper.
My wife told me off for being five minutes late with the morning tea, and she then said it was not hot enough.
Woe is me.
I have been bullied.
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December 6, 2018 8:15am
- VicParking
  
  Grow a pair
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:21am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No Vic, in snowflake NZ, Paulus needs a working group, some money, he’ll get a report that will tell him:
    1. Its not his fault;
    2. He doesn’t have to take responsibility for any perceived bullying;
    3. He must be inclusive and have a conversation/dialogue with his wife in order to form a consensus; and
    4. He needs a govt agency to throw more money at finding a non solution; and
    5. He needs to grow a lumberjack beard and get some grooming to look like a modern Male model. Or
    
    As you say….get over it & just grow some….
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Heck is that all..
  
  I’d be wanting to know what you were up to in those unaccounted-for-five minutes.
  Did you boil the jug and then go out for a quick ciggie?
  Are you going to make a habit of bringing in your wife’s T 5 minutes late?
  Do you have time management problems at other times of the day?
  Could you organise yourself to get onto your T-making duties 5 minutes earlier?
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:08am
- Surely Knott
  
  That does sound serious Paulus. Russel Norman also had some sad tail of bullying as someone said, “Sit Down Skippy” to him. Naturally he’s devastated. Agree form a working group, tweet about it, send newshub a message from a burner phone, and find a safe space within your house. On a more serious note do you think this” bullying ” smoke screen is to blur the lines so they can reinstate Meta Whaitiri, or is it just a squirrel from Sroubek Lawnmower scandal.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:11am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Sorry Paulus, I strongly suspect you’re the age and gender that can’t be bullied and is always privileged.
  
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  December 6, 2018 2:37pm
Keeping Stock

I’m off the radar for a few days; preparations for my daughter’s wedding on Saturday will take priority over other things.

If only Trevor Mallard could give priority to the key requirement of his job – impartiality – over his overtly political management of the House ?
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December 6, 2018 8:18am
- sooty
  
  You have got to be kidding!!!
  It’s all about him and only him!
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:24am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Hope the weekend goes well KS
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  Have a great celebration KS. Walking our daughter down the aisle was one of the proudest moments of my life. Try to keep it together 😉
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:29am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Cheers KK. My first wife (her mum) and I will walk my daughter down the aisle. My present wife will be taking the service, and there will be tissues aplenty on hand ?
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:08am
    - Poppa
      
      When I walked my daughter down the aisle I ended up a blubbering mess, not usual for me.
      
      I wish you a great day KS it is a very proud moment
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:37am
    - sooty
      
      Now, there is one big family.
      May they have a long and joyous marriage together. If they can’t, at least get on like mum and dad.
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:37am
    - alloytoo
      
      Hope it’s a great day KS, best wishes to the couple
      
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      December 6, 2018 12:23pm
  - tf78
    
    At our son’s wedding the little Page Boy held a black board saying “It’s not too late to run .x.x.x…” It was classic.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:47am
- alex Masterley
  
  KS best wishes for your daughters wedding.
  I hope that everything including the weather goes to plan.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:08am
- Harkman
  
  Wouldn’t it be funny if somebody else was on here, “Oh heck I’m getting married on Saturday”, “Keeping Stock you’re not ____’s father?” ?
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:12am
- dime
  
  nice. enjoy!
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:13am
Than

I’ve decided to start taking a positive approach to the issue of climate change. Rather than waste time complaining about the hysterical virtue-signallers telling us for the 1000th time that we need to “do something”, I’ve decided to start thinking about what realistic emission reduction options we have. The keyword in there is realistic. Which rules out almost all of the proposals from the modern, ideologically-driven environmental movement, who sadly are only interested in what they want to be true, not the real world.

Let’s begin with an axiom – given the timeframe, any solutions need to start with technologies we currently have. I’m not saying we should cut funding for R&D on Green technologies or renewables, but to achieve significant emissions reductions by 2050 we need to start breaking ground immediately. That means that in the short term we can only consider technologies available right now. Specifically this would exclude;

– Wave and tidal power. No commercial power stations exist from either of these sources yet, so for now they have to be ruled out.
– Large scale energy storage. Same as with wave/tidal power, this hasn’t been done yet.
– Wind and Solar power making up more than around 20-25% of electrical production. This one I know is going to upset a lot of people who really want these technologies to work. But the argument is the same as the above; despite billions of dollars in investment and huge amounts of R&D, no country in the world has managed to achieve this yet. It may perhaps become possible in the future, but we can’t plan around that assumption. We have to plan based around what technologies are available right now.

It also seems a fair assumption that we can’t do much to increase the contribution of hydro and geothermal to electrical production. Both are limited by the availability of appropriate geography, and we’ve already pretty much maxed these out. So with Wind/Solar making up the 25% that is the optimistic maximum they can, add 20% from hydro and geothermal (they’re around 16% globally right now, so again this is optimistic), and this brings us to 45% of electrical production from renewables. And that’s it. That is the absolute highest percentage of our electrical production that renewables could possibly contribute. Anybody claiming otherwise is talking about hopes and dreams, not currently available technology.

So where does that leave us? We want to get rid of fossil fuels, and renewables can’t make up the shortfalls. What other options do we have?

Only one – the dreaded N-word. Nuclear power.

Environmentalists may not like it, but with current technology nuclear is the only option to provide the majority of our power with net-zero emissions. Wind and solar are just fundamentally limited, they can never be more than a modest fraction of the power grid. The technology is settled on this point, every bit as much as the science is settled on climate change. We need to begin a major program of nuclear power plant construction, using the most modern and safest designs available. We also need to start spending more for R&D on nuclear technologies – in particular improving spent-fuel reprocessing needs to be a priority area.
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December 6, 2018 8:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You should put in a request for some of that $100M from James Shaw to go toward your Nuclear Power Plant.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:24am
- Lance
  
  So long as it’s ‘pebble bed’ or ‘thorium’ based, no problems from my point of view.
  Anything that can’t melt down, or cause steam explosions and scatter radioactive debris
  
  Watching the brain explosions from the Greenies would be fun
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:24am
  - Than
    
    Unfortunately both of those designs violate the “only existing technology” axiom. They are very promising ideas that should definitely continue to be developed, but we wouldn’t be able to just start building a reactor tomorrow.
    
    Restricting ourselves only existing technology means only Gen III and a few Gen III+ reactor designs should be considered. These have commercial reactors either operational or currently under construction.
    
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    December 6, 2018 1:45pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Nuclear Power plants? Too expensive and even the heavily dependent Japan is I understand decommissioning there’s after the Fukushima disaster,
  
  https://www.jaea.go.jp/english/04/ntokai/decommissioning/
  
  Hmmm NZ like Japan a centre of seismic activity. Got to be a good thing?
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:30am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    *cough* Bullshit *cough”
    
    “… 26 restart applications are now pending with an estimated 12 units to come back in service by 2025 and 18 by 2030.”
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:53am
    - stephieboy
      
      Yes, I seem to have got that wrong. Thanks for the correction.
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:51am
      - Tall Man
        
        Just like your leader eh steffy girl?
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl
        
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        December 6, 2018 11:55am
  - Than
    
    First off, the economics are nuclear power are highly debatable. It depend heavily on what externalities get included. But even if for the sake of argument we assume it is more expensive than other power sources, so what? It is literally our only option.
    
    Wind and solar simply cannot provide more than a small fraction of the electricity our society needs, especially once we begin widespread electrification for transport. That is a simple fact. So we have three choice. One, go nuclear. Two, stick with fossil fuels and accept that climate change will happen. Or three, reduce our energy use (and therefore pretty much automatically our standard of living) to an almost pre-industrial level.
    
    For myself (and I suspect the vast majority of people), I’d rule out 3. So which do you think is the greater threat stephieboy, nuclear power (which has already been in widespread use for nearly 70 years now, with only a handful of accidents) or climate change?
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    3 nuclear power plants in Taiwan…
    1 in a halted construction phase
    
    2018 referendum to continue with Nuclear power generation was passed last week
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/11/meet-engineering-professor-who-got-taiwanese-voters-support-nuclear-power
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:21am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    a 1.5mw wind turbine supplies about 300 households with power. They cost about $5m each.
    
    Auckland’s households alone, not business, would need about 2,000 wind turbines – cost approx $8bn just for the turbines, there’ll be infrastructure and storage costs too.
    
    Oh, and at the end of that you don’t have a reliable supply so you’ll need back-generation on top.
    
    Also, don’t forget to factor in r&m and the inevitable expansion needed as Auckland grows – far more difficult than just firing up another another coal-burner and the supply will be distributed rather than all in one place. Then there’s land costs of course and the duplicated teams that will be needed because it’s not centralised.
    
    A modern nuclear plant to supply the equivalent energy is around $6bn (including decommissioning) and gives continuity of supply and much lower running costs.
    
    Do all this, and you still haven’t factored in business energy needs. Oh and don’t forget we’re going to have to power all those electric vehicles too.
    
    Good luck with the wind, sun & rain – it ain’t going to cut it.
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:50am
- krazykiwi
  
  What other options do we have?
  
  There’s always The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. As an aside, I do wonder how this site stays operational, assuming that the backers must have led by example.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:34am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Thanks for the link krazykiwi. That this sick movement exists doesn’t surprise me in the least, for it is nothing more than a distillation of the core beliefs which have infected the Western world and which will eventually destroy us as a civilisation.
    
    Most people today believe that there is an overpopulation problem, humans are inherently bad for the planet, the industrial society is polluting and evil, whales and polar bears are more important and beautiful than humans, all cultures are equal and that there is no such thing as objective truth – it’s all a matter of opinion.
    
    Our civilisation is in its death throes. Hopefully the Chinese will take over rather than the Russians or the Arabs: but I’m pretty certain that it won’t be the Africans or (hopefully) the Polynesians or we’ll all go back to cannibalism.
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:32am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Thanks for the link krazykiwi. That this sick movement exists doesn’t surprise me in the least, for it is nothing more than a distillation of the core beliefs which have infected the Western world and which will eventually destroy us as a civilisation.
      
      Most Westerners today believe deep down that there is an overpopulation problem, humans are inherently bad for the planet, the industrial society is polluting and evil, whales and polar bears are more important and beautiful than humans, all ‘cultures’ are equal and that there is no such thing as objective truth – it’s all a matter of opinion.
      
      Our civilisation is in its death throes. Hopefully the Chinese will take over rather than the Russians or the Arabs: but I’m pretty certain that it won’t be the Africans or (hopefully) the Polynesians or we’ll all go back to cannibalism.
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:34am
    - Dave Mann
      
      My apologies for double posting. It was meant to be a edit. Sorry.
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I love being lectured by all these rich folks (with 5 kids!!!!!!) telling me how I can save the planet by forgoing my bacon, chicken and steaks.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018673582/suzy-amis-cameron-the-personal-and-planetary-benefits-of-one-plant-based-meal-a-day
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:38am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Climate Change?
  
  Simply follow the money…
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:40am
  - stephieboy
    
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    “Simply follow the money…”
    
    Could you expand on that by way of explanation?
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:42am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Sure. You’re welcome.
      
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      December 6, 2018 8:57am
      - ldypen
        
        Will no one think of children? the science is settled, ignore where the money is going just DO SOMETHING before Ourtearoa sinks below the rising tide!
        
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        December 6, 2018 9:20am
      - sooty
        
        It’s all OK. Maui will just go and pull up another fish.
        
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        December 6, 2018 9:40am
- The Heat
  
  The enviroloons answer is to reduce consumption.
  
  The gullible go along with it, not stopping to think what “reducing consumption” means. They think it has something to do with lightbulbs and plastic bags.
  
  The shit is going to hit the fan when they realise it means THEY have to drop from being comfortable middle class to being rather poor, indeed.
  
  Which they will not do.
  
  And that will be the end of the Green Party.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:41am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    Don’t underestimate the power of hypocrisy.
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:49am
- tf78
  
  You can try and save the planet with lack of emissions as much as you like but a couple of good volcanic eruptions will undo all your good work anyway.
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:50am
Happychappy

So we seem to have a certain few Government Ministers that think major decisions that should be agreed to by the Government Caucus can be made amongs’t themselves. Why would it surprise anyone that Phil Twyford , Sweet Cheeks and Shane Jones think that they can make decisions like reducing how much the Government will take from your profit if you flick your kiwibuild house before you 3 years penalty apply from 100% to 30%. But by all accounts the Prime Minister is not happy and will revisit this because she was not happy to find out after several weeks. Can anyone please tell me why this has gone unnoticed by this insult for a Prime Minister for nearly two months without her being aware or is she to tied up in her own importance to notice bad examples being made by inept Ministers.
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December 6, 2018 8:28am
- fluffykiwi
  
  If the rest of us saw what Twyford did, and it was loudly proclaimed in the News Media how come Cindy has only just caught up with it. I suppose she can try and blame her advisors, par for the course. She has learned the socialist modus operandi, never take responsibility for anything, blame others.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:35am
  - sooty
    
    She was watching the telly as she fed squrriel, that the others had made a decision without her.
    Oh boy, she would not have been amused!
    It’s enough to curdle your milk!
    Someone would have got a thick ear.
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      To match their thick skull.
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:59am
  - tf78
    
    A lot of the Labour Minister’s often it seems, find out information firstly from the press as they’re not very keen on homework.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:55am
- septic skeptic
  
  I reckon Cindy was “working from home” that day. What were they supposed to do? After all someone has to make some decisions.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:09am
- niggly
  
  Actually Happychappy, IMO that was the most newsworthy story yesterday (and one that the MSM tried to bury/deflect).
  
  I saw Newshub 6pm news “blaming” Twyford, but Twyford wasn’t taking that – he named Robertson and Jones as well, as being the 3 that thought up the change in policy.
  
  So if Jacinda wasn’t consulted, why are the MSM homing onto Twyford and ignoring Robertson, the so-called “H3”?
  
  Put another way, why does the scheming, calculating and also out-of-his-depth Robertson never receive any serious MSM scrutiny? Why wasn’t he being questioned as to why Jacinda wasn’t informed?
  
  Meewonders has “H3” been a secret source to the MSM since the Clark days, and if so is that why the MSM will of course never “attack” their so-called confidential sources?
  
  Plus also the real deal is, other Labour and NZF MP’s are making the decisions without PM sign-off! This is incredible, it would never happen under Helen Clark, John Key or Bill English etc, so again why isn’t the MSM querying why Jacinda is deliberately being kept out of the loop at times? Is she so ineffectual that not only the Speaker has to protect her, the MSM also have to as well?
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:23am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes.
    
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    December 6, 2018 2:56pm
secondcumming

I’ve just downloaded the *Queen* movie, Bohemian Rhapsody!

I think it was filmed in a cinema though, as I see a little silhouetto of a man.
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December 6, 2018 8:29am
- stephieboy
  
  Big Cinema screen much better. Good film in terms of entertainment and doing well at the box office I believe.
  
  However, it did tend to downplay Freddie Mercury’s promiscuous gay lifestyle.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:36am
  - mandk
    
    whooosh!
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:44am
    - sooty
      
      The queers were up in arms over not enough queerness aswell. I think more people thought he was a great singer!
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:51am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        It wasn’t really known to the teenage fans of the 70s and 80s. We just had no idea he was gay, it wasn’t an ‘out there’ issue at the time.
        
        I mean ‘Bicycle Race’, and the album with the picture of naked women on bikes? Come on!
        
        P. S. And I grew up with very open parents, knowing several gay couples.
        
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        December 6, 2018 2:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    H1, H2 and H3 wouldn’t have liked that would they, after all, we need to normalise that don’t we so you don’t feel guilty steffy girl.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a girl
    
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    December 6, 2018 12:03pm
- Lance
  
  Was the man called Galileo or Figaro ?
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:36am
- DigNap15
  
  I went and saw it at the cinema and really enjoyed it.
  I am going to buy the Blueray when it comes out to get the extra tracks and the full Live Aid bit.
  
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  December 6, 2018 2:06pm
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I fear government policy of the past 4 decades is making an increasing number of citizens tax receivers rather than tax payers. WFF was the biggest driver of this although preceding governments had moved to create the situation where tax was paid and then refunded all costing large amounts in administration.

This of course is the hallmark of Big Government. Rather than getting out of the way of hardworking citizens and only taking the minimum amount in order to provide services and assist those who genuinely and I stress genuinely need assistance Big Government taxes everyone and then in a Santa like complex distributes back goodies but only to those who will vote for it.

I believe we are now at or close to having 50% of citizens not only paying no tax but receiving tax back to prop up their incomes and that 90% of income tax is paid by 178,000 individuals.

The net result is that politicians (except ACT) seek to buy votes out and out bribery caring not for the results or the good of society as a whole but merely to win and retain power.

Citizens are being sucked into a black whole where they becoming more and more reliant on their political masters for their incomes.

Meanwhile wages and salaries are depressed because employers know the Government will prop up low wages with tax subsidies so there is no need to pay higher wages.

It will all end badly as fewer and fewer citizens will be net tax payers and more and more will leave for countries with less onorus tax regimes leaving the government trying to collect more and more taxes from fewer and fewer citizens.
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- krazykiwi
  
  Citizens are being sucked into a black whole where they becoming more and more reliant on their political masters for their incomes.
  
  This. 1000x.
  
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  December 6, 2018 8:36am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Hole, actually.
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      And they want the whole lot of us in the same hole..
      
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      December 6, 2018 12:04pm
- Jules99
  
  I was watching a very good interview with Thomas Sowell on YT where he said that poverty among blacks and hispanics rose when the welfare state was brought in, due mainly to the rise in single parent families and fewer jobs at the lower level caused by minimum wage legislation.
  
  It was also interesting to hear how he went from being a Marxist to a capitalist once he got a job in the real world.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:07am
  - Harriet
    
    Been a big fan of his for years. Speaks common sense economics from the individuals and business perspective; work and income then leading to individual and collective benefits.
    He’s no fan of unearned distribution, and believes only in rewards; earned pay rises and bonuses for the individual worker and not the collective – unionised OR NOT!!!!! The fault in ‘nz business economics’ is that many businesses treat staff as an ununionized collective and pay them accordingly, there is very little difference in pay rates between the productive and under productive, and hence people then do need a so called ‘tax break’ WFF; where two people who work full time can’t provide a roof over their families heads as they don’t earn enough between them!!!
    
    Poverty for all came in when WFF was added to welfare legislation, as taxes were then mostly collected from business, and none from employees. Would you pay your staff a pay rise if you saw the government prepared instead to give them some of the tax you are currently paying?
    
    What would your accountants advice be? 😎
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:46am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Also a fan. He’s got some great quotes:
    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
    It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.
    Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.
    People who enjoy meetings should not be in charge of anything.
    If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.
    Freedom has cost too much blood and agony to be relinquished at the cheap price of rhetoric.
    The most basic question is not what is best, but who shall decide what is best.
    The next time some academics tell you how important diversity is, ask how many Republicans there are in their sociology department.
    The welfare state is not really about the welfare of the masses. It is about the egos of the elites.
    There are only two ways of telling the complete truth – anonymously and posthumously.
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:15am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Don Brash had a similar conversion, going from being a Marxist in his days as Canterbury student to being what Stephiegirl would call rabid right today.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:42am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      « Celui qui n’est pas républicain à vingt ans fait douter de la générosité de son âme; mais celui qui, après trente ans, persévère, fait douter de la rectitude de son esprit. » Anselme Polycarpe Batbie
      
      “He who is not a républicain at twenty compels one to doubt the generosity of his heart; but he who, after thirty, persists, compels one to doubt the soundness of his mind.”
      
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      December 6, 2018 3:11pm
- KevOB
  
  It will get worse. When robots replace workers there will be more mouths to feed. Robotic productivity will have to be increasingly taxed . If the displaced cannot afford to purchase the robotic production will thinning be necessary?
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:13am
- gump
  
  I got 31 downvotes for making that same observation yesterday. Kiwiblog commentators are a fickle bunch.
  
  It should be obvious that our economy is essentially a ponzi scheme that falls apart unless it is “growing”. Which is why our political elites have become so adept at creating fake economic growth in the absence of real growth. If Labour wasn’t funding their ridiculous provincial growth fund then National would be funnelling money into useless roading projects – for exactly the same reasons.
  
  Kiwibloggers like to assume I’m a Labour supporter because I criticise National. But I stopped voting for National when it became apparent that they had delivered nine years of nothing during their time in power. The facts speaks for themselves:
  
  1. National increased our net national debt from $10 billion to over $60 billion. Creating a massive debt which future generations will struggle to repay.
  
  2. National imported record numbers of low-skill migrants to increase domestic consumption. Which has resulted in a housing affordability crisis and overloaded instrastructure.
  
  3. National refused to dismantle WfF. Which has entrenched low-wages by means of a government wage subsidy to employers.
  
  4. National prioritised low-productivity sectors like tourism over actual productive enterprises. Which has created tens of thousands of non-productive and low-paid service jobs.
  
  5. National rubber-stamped the sale of significant productive assets to off-shore owners. Resulting in the expatriation of profits and a further loss of our economic sovereignty.
  
  And people wonder why I stopped voting for National…
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:59am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Gump, what you are saying about the recent past is correct, ie about the period of Labour lite.
    
    However, it has also been a reality since 1949 when the first National government was elected. During each term of government, National continued to put in place (or keep) more of a ponzi govt regime than Labour. During the period of Muldoon, what the govt of the day was doing was so at odds with the party constitution (which use to be printed in a membership booklet) that there were Auckland Divisional Councillors who wanted to change the constitution to suit.
    
    The problem in 1970s -1080s (& during periods of government generally), is that the membership lose control of the party and that is the problem today. With that, the members fail to control the agenda of a party they want to support & if members aren’t convinced (as is often seen written here by a number of members), how easy for you think it is to convince the voting public.
    
    As for our government regime being a ponzi scheme, sadly, every western democracy is one. They all follow a variant of Keynesian thinking & will continue to do so while their are economists who tell them it is ok to print money or borrow more to satisfy the appetite of their voting public. The only time it comes unstuck is when the population diminishes to levels where you don’t have a working population.
    
    As for your situation, you don’t have any real options as who to vote for, so the only option is to join a party, change it from within & make it relevant to the voting public.
    
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    December 6, 2018 12:09pm
  - Harriet
    
    I agree with all of them, and on this matter ….. “National prioritised low-productivity sectors like tourism over actual productive enterprises. Which has created tens of thousands of non-productive and low-paid service jobs……”
    
    They’re on the right track as it is entry level work for all school leavers and immigrants, and service jobs socialise people also. And it raises the standard of local service and goods, more so in the restaurant and hotel side of things, but that is if the standard of tourists keep rising; hoards of Asian business tourists are a better market than retired Chinese workers on bargain tours. And a far better market again than pizza eating back packers – who again only return once they are retired – and far better again than ‘Freeloader Campers’ who literally shit on those who are being charitable towards them.
    
    NZ hasn’t targeted it’s markets terribly well in the last 20yrs or so and needs to move up far further, that’s not to say you shouldn’t have back packers or those who want to cycle around for a month, as activity is revenue, but some activities attract far more revenue than others, and as you suggest – at least tourism and hospitality could be far more productive and fair towards everyone — as other foreign related industries in NZ pay employees far better. Why have say Air NZ win such a significant international award to then only have it carry less beneficial people half way round the globe to one of the best places on the globe. It’s like selling yourself short. A flight on Air NZ is NOT the holiday that people have paid for, they have paid for a ‘period of time in NZ’ – not just a period of time on a plane.
    
    It’s not like tourism related workers don’t have the capacity to service and provide for far better tourists, or the government too for that matter.
    It’s simply a case of finding all the weak areas in tourism – Air NZ obviously being not one, and general friendliness towards tourists not being the case, but tourism marketing is appearing to be a matter of concern – and then drastically improving them.
    
    NZ is very reliant on tourism and currently in Europe councils have essentially been clamping down on the problems related with mass tourism; congestion and complaints from rate payers, and low revenue from business owners. Like the Japanese and Koreans before them I don’t think NZ will be getting much out of the Chinese mass tourism market as everything will be owned and operated by them, just like the Koreans and Japs before them did. At best NZ will get low paid jobs.
    
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    December 6, 2018 12:16pm
  - tf78
    
    gump – I have learnt to never presume. I am an unbending National supporter, just as I defend my family, I just can’t help it so in response to your five points, (I hope you don’t find them offensive or too ignorant).
    1. $60b as Cullen gleefully left NO money so borrowing had to begin basically straight away to pay benefits, public servants etc just keep the country ticking over. Then we had the GFC, Dick Hubbard’s company and numerous earthquakes.
    
    2. Low skilled migrants were necessary as the so called productive sector could produce for export as no bloody kiwis were prepared to get off their posteriors as the dole was too easy.
    
    3. WFF – It would be catastrophic for families who due to low wages were to have their tax rebates taken off them – so an impossible position for any government.
    4. All countries rely quite substantially on tourism, Japan for example have about 23 million per year. People love to travel the world these days because it’s affordable for many.
    5. Off shore buyers are the only ones who can afford to buy productive assets being sold by Kiwi’s as the locals can’t possibly afford the money they want – I can’t see apart from the Government allowing it why people aren’t entitled to get top dollar for their businesses.
    Any way, that is just my opinion. Hope you have a great Christmas and a happy and healthy 2019.
    
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    December 6, 2018 12:53pm
  - KeaRea
    
    1. What matters is the relative increase, not the gross. Relatively, our debt was about $120billion less then it would have been under Cunliffe and Co. I have zero tolerance for anyone who criticises National on debt under Key/English. I have less then zero for ‘right-wingers’. Anyone who criticises a party that ran multiple zero budgets/balanced budgets is an idiot. They ran zero budgets. They got back to massive surplus. Shoosh.
    
    2. National can be forgiven for their migration stance because they were so successful with the economy that the AU/NZ numbers reversed. We shot up to 70k when no one expected it to be that high and it never dropped. I’ve also gone through the process myself of seeing how you would cut it down. It’s prohibitive. You have to ban family, and if you ban family you can’t get the people you need to build the houses we need to build. They could have done more on the margins but the real problem was the relative economic strength. BE was believable when he said we could handle the growth. We can’t under Labour. We could under National. And the Chinese voted National. My main opposition to migration in the US is that they vote for gibs/destabilisation. Here, they vote for the good guys. That deserves at least some pause. If the ‘natural conservatives’ in the US weren’t shameless parasites and socialists who actually ever voted Republican they wouldn’t be cleaning their gun barrels right now.
    
    The revised productivity numbers StatsNZ came out with ‘after’ the election showed it was economy –> migration, not migration –> economy. I am anti-immigration but the corollary is being better then the bugmen and the mud people. NZ is too full of useless trogs who forget the corollary.
    
    3. WFF was appropriate during the GFC. It was going to be heavily pruned and gradually removed. Check BE’s election platform.
    
    4. Growth is growth. It’s like Labour saying it’s bad when milk prices go up or down. Manufacturing and high-end products were on a tear under National. The fact tourism numbers were booming isn’t a bad thing. It’s a very good thing.
    
    5. This is your most bullshit argument yet. National’s capital management is the best in the world. The power company sales for example mean those companies produce TWICE the dividend on HALF the government ownership. You sound like a Greens supporter. And most of the ownership went to NZ weighted institutional investors.
    
    You stopped voting National because you are apparently a Greens voter. Which is fine. Just don’t say you’re right-wing. Because you aren’t. Don’t sit there and broadcast idiocy as to why you stopped voting National. If you voted for NZ First kindly leave, because you are the reason we have princess patticakes dafting her way around the Beehive in between photo-shoots.
    
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    December 6, 2018 2:47pm
  - lofty
    
    You never voted National gumpie…never bullshit a bullshitter..but good try.
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:14pm
- Tall Man
  
  WFF, aunty helen’s grab at retaining power…hard for Sir John Key to dump as people’s reliance on the tax credit was immediate.
  
  Interest free student loans, another labour grab for votes and also hard to cancel but it was eventually done.
  
  First year free on us, ardern the liar’s grab for votes and hopefully in 2020 it will be addressed but it will still have drained the economy of quite a few much needed dollars.
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:10pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tall man, I beg to differ. Getting rid of WFF is easy. The clue is in the name. All that is required is reinstating the two tier tax scale introduced by Roger Douglas. Move it from being a welfare benefit, to incentivise work. Make the tax free band high enough to encourage work and thereby raise productivity and reduce the incidence of employers using WFF as a means to subsidising the low wage mentality & benefit culture. Regarding other benefits you adjust them to recognize the new tax structure.
    
    Higher productivity, will result in higher earnings, equals more tax, result the government can reduce taxes.
    
    Much more beneficial than keeping a benefit that makes working people dependent.
    
    Properly explained, & if all buy in, it can work at the ballot box. It did for Labour in 1987, 12 months after GST was introduced.
    
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    December 6, 2018 2:32pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Attention now should focus on the US President who has unsurprisingly shafted his blue-collar constituency with the US auto industry in big trouble.

From TM,

Trump rhetoric delivers nothing for these American blue collar workers

tax cuts for the rich seems SCROTUS’ (so called ruler of the United States) achievement to date

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6435109/Emotional-G
M-workers-wipe-tears-away-thousands-laid-ahead-holidays.html
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December 6, 2018 8:38am
- Harkman
  
  “SCROTUS’ (so called ruler of the United States)” Now you have to look yourself in the mirror and grasp the fact that Trump IS THE PRESIDENT! You wouldn’t moan about him day after day if he wasn’t, there’s nothing “so called” about it.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:05am
- dime
  
  BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:14am
  - stephieboy
    
    An attack of keyboard runs?
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:53am
  - sooty
    
    Well said that man. Buy him a beer!
    That upset stuuupidboy.
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:53am
- flipper
  
  Listen arse hole. If you want to talk or believe that pre-ejaculation crap, go do it in Mallard’s shit pond.
  That is where you belong!
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:01am
  - sam green
    
    With all the fraudsters?
    
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    December 6, 2018 1:37pm
- Tall Man
  
  Hard to swallow isn’t it just how successful he is as a president, especially when compared to the pathetic effort at “playing” leader by ardern the liar.
  
  Mind you steffy girl, as a graduate of “camp molestation” I thought you’d be quite good at swallowing…
  
  ardern is a liar
  
  steffy girl..maybe a spitter.
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:13pm
laworder

If you have not already signed this petition urging the Government not to sign the United Nations Migration Compact the other day I would urge you to please do so and get all your friends and family to do likewise

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_82367/petition-of-carol-sakey-new-zealand-government-to-reject

The full objectives of the Compact are here and buried within it are some rather concerning objectives;

https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/sites/default/files/180713_agreed_outcome_global_compact_for_migration.pdf

From this document;

“OBJECTIVE 17: Eliminate all forms of discrimination and promote evidence-based public discourse to shape perceptions of migration”

“33. We commit to eliminate all forms of discrimination, condemn and counter expressions, acts and manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, violence, xenophobia and related intolerance against all migrants in conformity with international human rights law. We further commit to promote an open and evidence-based public discourse on migration and migrants in partnership with all parts of society, that generates a more realistic, humane and constructive perception in this regard. We also commit to protect freedom of expression in accordance with international law, recognizing that an open and free debate contributes to a comprehensive understanding of all aspects of migration.”

In other words, they want to control the discussion on migration and the culture of particular migrants

“To realize this commitment, we will draw from the following actions:”

“a) Enact, implement or maintain legislation that penalizes hate crimes and aggravated hate crimes targeting migrants, and train law enforcement and other public officials to identify, prevent and respond to such crimes and other acts of violence that target migrants, as well as to provide medical, legal and psychosocial assistance for victims”

“b) Empower migrants and communities to denounce any acts of incitement to violence directed towards migrants by informing them of available mechanisms for redress, and ensure that those who actively participate in the commission of a hate crime targeting migrants are held accountable, in accordance with national legislation, while upholding international human rights law, in particular the right to freedom of expression”

“c) Promote independent, objective and quality reporting of media outlets, including internet based information, including by sensitizing and educating media professionals on migration-related issues and terminology, investing in ethical reporting standards and advertising, and stopping allocation of public funding or material support to media outlets that systematically promote intolerance, xenophobia, racism and other forms of discrimination towards migrants, in full respect for the freedom of the media”

Independence and freedom through being told what you are supposed to write…..

For those of you in/near Auckland there will also be a protest in Aotea Square on Saturday morning;

http://www.rightminds.nz/articles/protest-un-migration-pact-auckland-saturday?fbclid=IwAR2ytSSZEEAjKylGI9rzOBLASKGJIFVgxos6jIxZqzv1wr3QgyPl-9EQTDs

But signing the petition is probably the most important, that and getting friends/ family/ workmates to do so also

Regards
Peter Jenkins
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December 6, 2018 8:39am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, it looks very bad. Daily Caller has an article about it.
  
  https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/04/countries-shunning-un-compact/
  
  Jacinda seems bound and determined to sign us up though, like a true socialist, ceding our sovereignty to the U.N.
  
  https://100daystodemocracy.wordpress.com/2018/12/05/jacinda-ardern-you-shouldnt-be-signing-this/
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:00am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I have signed and will be driving up to Auckland for the protest on Saturday. Elliot Ikilei, the New Conservative Deputy Speaker will be one of the speakers at the protest.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:12am
  - the conservative
    
    Chuck, I would love to be able to go the protest but unfortunately I live too far away now. Elliot Ikilei is saying good stuff. By the way, you haven’t visited my website ‘the conservative’ yet which is now up and running again. Terry
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:03am
    - Fletch
      
      You can also edit your Kiwiblog profile to make your name on here a clickable link to your site. Mouse over the upper right of the screen here where it says ‘Howdy, the conservative’ and go down to ‘Edit My Profile’. Under ‘Contact Info’ you can enter your email address and website.
      
      After you’ve updated the profile, your name will now be a clickable link to your website, like mine is.
      
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      December 6, 2018 10:47am
      - the conservative
        
        Thanks, Fletch
        Can you email me your RSS feed link. I can’t get from your site? Or post it here or on my site.
        
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        December 6, 2018 11:07am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      What part of the country are you living in?
      
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      December 6, 2018 12:42pm
      - the conservative
        
        Coromandel
        
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        December 6, 2018 1:20pm
- brett68
  
  Even though it’s non- binding some one on twitter made the good point that it will be used to form case law.
  
  If people turn up on our shores and lefty lawyers go into bat for these “migrants”, how can we turn them away?
  
  We’ve signed an agreement that states it’s ok for them to be here,once a Judge agrees with that, it’s open borders from that point on.
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:29am
- rangitoto
  
  I get a server error. Cindy trying to block it?
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:08am
  - madamezucchininz
    
    …..I also had trouble with the “I am not a robot”….had to retry three times…but it eventually saw I was not a robot…..petition signed…..and shared on face book….
    
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    December 6, 2018 3:17pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Red Radio have a slot on this this arvo. I can bet they’ll be wheeling in ‘experts’ to say what a good thing it is.
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:07pm
MCos

If you get a Christmas Card from Simon Bridges signed as Leader of the Opposition, hang onto it. It might be worth something one day.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12171953
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December 6, 2018 8:41am
- MCos
  
  Did Judith Collins and/or Mark Mitchell leave the chamber with Bridges?
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:27am
  - alloytoo
    
    Every National MP except those who had questions to ask left.
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:42am
    - MCos
      
      By happy coincidence that included Collins, Mitchell, Adams, Carter & Kaye, but not Bennett or Jerry.
      So Jerry was part of the stunt and Bennett was free to cajole the reluctant troops to bugger off.
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:55am
      - lofty
        
        Onerous tosser….
        
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        December 6, 2018 10:17pm
secondcumming

BREAKING!!

Big law firm *Simpson Grierson* photo-shops out images of female graduates clutching vibrators at staff celebration party……

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1070216475128942597
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December 6, 2018 8:58am
- Harkman
  
  They now all have hand cramping & RSI
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:01am
MrsAnnie

Without getting anyone in trouble could someone explain the relevance of lawn mowers to the Sroubek fiasco?
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December 6, 2018 9:18am
- secondcumming
  
  According to one of the guys at the gun club,
  IL-G’s nickname is ‘PULLSTART’……hope that helps?
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:30am
  - sooty
    
    Does he rquire movies aswell like Shane?
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Telephone chat requesting lawnmowers is code for drug deals
  http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/1085-jail-for-traffickers-whose-lawnmower-shipments-disguised-a-tonne-of-drugs
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:00am
  - KevOB
    
    The lawnmower drug was also MDMA aka Ecstasy which Sroubek was convicted of importing.
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:53am
- KevOB
  
  Ecstasy which Sroubek was convicted of importing into NZ was previously imported into the UK in a consignment of lawnmowers.
  
  HT MW.
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:56am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    Now I understand- I live a very sheltered life.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:54am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Commenter ‘oob’ noted, in a now-censored comment, that he had been approached by a trusted source, and someone who happens to be a senior in NZ Police. His contact claimed to have evidence, since buried, connecting Sroubek’s drug dealing with the partner of a very senior Labour party MP. The terms ‘lawnmowers’ was used in respect of concluding a purchase by said partner.
      
      I’m sure there’s no truth in it. Our police are above political interference, aren’t they?
      
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      December 6, 2018 12:41pm
      - MrsAnnie
        
        Thank you krazykiwi, the dots all line up. I heard rumours about high profile co workers of a senior Labour members partner years back. They were certainly around a lot of lawnmowers. No proof but very plausible.
        
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        December 6, 2018 8:15pm
- rangitoto
  
  Jethro is rumoured to be a big lawnmower fan.
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:13am
  - DigNap15
    
    He’d need to be on something having to service something like Cindy.
    
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    December 6, 2018 2:09pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Someone alleged there was a text from someone important re drugs and the word in the text they used to represent drugs was lawnmowers.
  
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  December 6, 2018 1:58pm
Doubledimp

Todays post is brought to you by the letter “V” and the number “aaaaaagh!”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VZhSkREYBc
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December 6, 2018 9:20am
Ross12

“I will not back down” Macron has done just that.
The protesters have won (for the moment) as Macron removes the tax permanently.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/05/victory-macron-permanently-cancels-planned-fuel-tax-hike-after-yellow-vest-protests/

With his polling at sub 23% in the latest poll it is not surprising.
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December 6, 2018 9:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  The peasants can freeze, starve and walk as penance for their part in Climate Change ™, but his popularity must remain inviolate.
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:32pm
- cha
  
  The Jacobite’s will be delighted I’m sure with Macron’s polling at sub 23%.
  
  The Yellow Vests are many things, but they are not anti-tax. They’re certainly not for the kind of smaller government championed by Macron’s government. Following the announcement that the Yellow Vests had forced the French president to suspend the implementation of his gas tax for six months, Yellow Vest spokesmen Benjamin Cauchy sounded a note of defiance. “Our demands are much bigger than this moratorium,” he said. “We want a better distribution of wealth, salary increases.” Indeed, one of the Yellow Vests’ central grievances is one of Macron’s first acts as president: a substantial reduction of the tax burden on France’s high earners. Among the “people’s directives” the Yellow Vests endorsed are an increase in the minimum wage, a “maximum wage” that caps income at €15,000 per month, the repeal of tax credits for employers, rent controls, dramatic increases in public spending on schools, post offices, and railroads, a ban on outsourcing, and a lower retirement age.
  
  https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/frances-yellow-vests-are-not-your-friends/
  
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  December 6, 2018 1:47pm
Fletch

LOL, the ladies on The View (and I use the term “ladies” lightly) were supposed to have a segment honoring the recently deceased George H.W Bush, but host Joy Behar couldn’t let it be a solemn occasion and instead took to bashing Trump. Megan McCain called her out on it and they got into a cat fight –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl1Vr37i-EQ

Kid Rock was right – Behar is a bitch alright…
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December 6, 2018 9:39am
- waldonz
  
  I thought only alcoholic housewives watch that rubbish programme.
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:34am
- Jules99
  
  No fan of McCain, but she had a point. The brainwashing is deep in these people. McCain is no fan of Trump, be even she saw it was inappropriate.
  
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  December 6, 2018 1:04pm
BananaLlama

Winston will be in a shitty mood because he knows a capital gains tax and the UN migration pact will sink him with his electorate.
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December 6, 2018 9:40am
- sooty
  
  What’s new?
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:03am
- Tricati
  
  He will come up with a bullshit story and the loyal puppets will swallow it hook line & sinker
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:03am
Poppa

I hope National keep the pressure on today about the criminal case. It is interesting that they have now changed the narrative into who knew who.

Of course they will already know the answer but want it brought out into the open
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December 6, 2018 9:44am
- sooty
  
  Did the Comrade have intimate knowledge?
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:05am
  - sam green
    
    Is that how you want it to be sooty?
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:41am
- tknorriss
  
  I don’t think Labour will willingly spill any names.
  
  So, the correct strategy is to ask ILG something like:
  
  “Will the minister deny that person X made representations on behalf of Sroubek.”
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:31am
BeaB

What no-one seems to realise is that Jacinda has built a very convincing persona of a nice, kind-hearted person who absolutely doesn’t want to be leader but out of a sense of duty has reluctantly stepped into the role.
Yet this is someone who boasted about her work with Tony Blair, who rose to be world president of young socialists, who cleverly positioned herself as the ‘pretty face’ so that when her unappealing colleagues kept falling back in the polls, bravely put on her red lipstick and stepped into the fray.
Crap. I think this is a very ambitious woman who has got exactly where she aimed to be through strategy and calculated shrewdness. She isn’t well educated or qualified for anything but she has rat cunning and has been ruthless in seeing off her competition.
Don’t underestimate her. She will do anything to keep her grasp on power, the money, the limos, the adulation and the global fame.
Kindness? Don’t make me laugh, get in the way of her ambition and you will feel the jackboot on your neck.
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December 6, 2018 9:51am
- brett68
  
  Yep, she reminds me of Mom from futurama.
  
  https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Carol_Miller
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:56am
- KevOB
  
  I suspect a fair appraisal. The rat-cunning, self-believing and bully personality type is common among unionists. My Way: no other is allowable.
  
  Is this a species of droid among us? They seem devoid of ability to modify their behaviour.
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:47am
- Tall Man
  
  H1 & H2 to the fore in all this planning.
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:32pm
Huevon

Funny watching the media gush over George W Bush. They hated his guts when he was president.
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December 6, 2018 9:58am
- sooty
  
  Their five minutes of fame!
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:06am
krazykiwi

If you have trouble deleting comments on Kiwiblog, and you use Google Chrome I have a solution for you.

1. Hit F12

2. Hover over the refresh button which is top left, to the left of the address bar. Reload this page, hold to see more options will appear.

3. Click and hold the refresh button. Select Empty cache and Hard reload.

4. You should now be able to delete your comment.
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December 6, 2018 10:31am
- rangitoto
  
  I would never use google spyware.
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:16am
Jack5

What to put in Morrissey’s Christmas stocking …

? At Christmas, I’ll take a ticket in Lotto so that in the sadly nigh-impossible event it brings the big prize, I will shout Morrissey Breen, renown Groper ~~gripper~~ hunter , to the UK to compile a list of these historic sites:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gropecunt_Lane
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December 6, 2018 10:35am
- sooty
  
  One way?
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:41am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Leave him there?
  
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  December 6, 2018 5:49pm
marquess

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Poor, poor simon. His virtue signalling isn’t going well, there’s another leaker in his caucus, and maggie bully has been referred to the AG for major electoral violations.

I want him to do well, really, I do. NZ needs an effective opposition to provide an alternative vision for the country and raise constructive debate. It’s a real shame that his failings and the nats failings are doing such a disservice to the country as a whole.
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December 6, 2018 10:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  Translation: Shit! He’s doing really well despite our subservient Speaker. Our internal polling is looking awful. The media won’t stick to our script.
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:45am
  - Jack5
    
    National, under Simon, is whipping Labour in the polls, Marquess, and that’s what counts.
    
    We get party names on the ballot paper. There’s no box on the voting paper for the bloody BAYBEE.
    
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    December 6, 2018 10:53am
    - marquess
      
      41% is whipping? Lol!
      
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      December 6, 2018 10:56am
      - rangitoto
        
        Try 46% and rising.
        
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        December 6, 2018 11:22am
      - Tall Man
        
        And 37% isn’t or were you still think of angry andy’s 25%.
        
        There is a pretty big poll in 2020….that’s the one that really counts and it looks like you’ll be back begging for attention somewhere else.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        December 6, 2018 12:40pm
- burt
  
  marquess
  
  You need to read between the lines.
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:51am
  - sam green
    
    Stop the insinuations burt – one would hope you were better than that.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:05am
    - MrTips
      
      OK, marquess needs to snort between the lines then
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      And yet it was your loser of a PM that used the phrase.
      
      I guess she has to do that when she can’t actually read the lines.
      
      The phrase has backfired on her and all she has to rely on are the slow witted interns like yourself.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      and yet she’s the best you have…bugger.
      
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      December 6, 2018 12:39pm
    - Garbageman
      
      “one would hope” sniff gump i though you were on our side sniff lolz, time for gump to be sent back to re-education camp ya reckon eh Sammy
      
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      December 6, 2018 1:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  Poor poor labour interns. Can’t let a day go by without trying to rid themselves of the arch nemesis Simon Bridges.
  
  If you ever thought ardern the liar had a working brain cell he has completely disabused the electorate of that idea. I have never seen a PM rolled bowled and arseholed so completely.
  
  It must be causing sleepless nights at labour HQ and all they have to rely on are the low IQ interns that trot out worn out slogans. Your leader and her dishonest cohorts are doomed.
  
  ardern is a liar
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:37pm
- Garbageman
  
  Bloody hell marquess that sounds like a Labour party internal memo, certainly not up to your usual snarky standards by any means, please try harder the troll situation here isn’t as good as it used to be, but as Labour stooges like to be so inclusive you can have a virtual participation award much like the one this shambolic Govt deserves
  
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  December 6, 2018 1:26pm
burt

The alarmists just can’t get a break these days;

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2018/12/autumn-freeze-up-amps-up/

(Emphasis added)

The Arctic freeze-up season is well underway, with ice extent increasing faster than average for most regions in November. Exceptions were in the Chukchi and Barents Seas, where the ice has been slow to form. November snow cover over North America was the most extensive since 1966.
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December 6, 2018 10:50am
Jack5

Readers of Britain’s Telegraph have voted New Zealand top spot in the newspaper’s travel awards.

New Zealand has been voted the world’s greatest country in the newspaper’s last six annual travel awards.
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December 6, 2018 11:02am
- brett68
  
  Fucked if I know why? it’s not that great here.
  
  Shit weather, everything’s expensive, nanny state, crappy public transport, clogged roads.
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:12am
  - kevn
    
    @brett… The Poms must be influenced by the exchange rate.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:27am
  - Jack5
    
    Probably because things are gloomy in Britain, Brett.
    
    Drugs, Brexit to-and-fro, gatecrashers crossing the Channel, mass rapes by Pakistani paedophiles, KGB type poisonings, leftist lawyers hounding former servicemen, worries whether there will still be fish and chips, no meaningful jobs for the mass of youngsters; health system under pressure.
    
    Meanwhile the Brits don’t know about our problems (and probably don’t care – it’s the scenery they like). Here we have drugs; the elite bringing in cheap Asian labour to keep wages down; the State primary and secondary education system rooted, with lecturing on green-ism, racism, feminism and LGBT whatever-ism having priority over maths and language learning; lack of job training for young people; health system, particularly the mental health system, under pressure.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:30am
    - Jules99
      
      Most of what you describe for NZ is happening across the West.
      
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      December 6, 2018 12:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    But a weekly dose of satire and stupidity from the coalition.
    
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    December 6, 2018 12:42pm
  - Longknives
    
    Tourists getting attacked and robbed every week in Northland…
    I’m surprised anyone wants to come here
    
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    December 6, 2018 12:45pm
    - Longknives
      
      As an aside – Fingers crossed nothing sinister has happened to that British tourist missing from Auckland..
      
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      December 6, 2018 12:50pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Yeah, agree, but its not sounding good.
        
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        December 6, 2018 4:22pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes someone high up in the Tourist industry needs to tell our cousy bros to stop robbing and beating ouo tourists/
      
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      December 6, 2018 2:13pm
  - DigNap15
    
    I tend to agree with you.
    
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    December 6, 2018 2:12pm
- Jules99
  
  Having lived there for some years, the Brits have a romanticised view of New Zealand as being some sort of paradise or like blighty was before…. something.
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:58pm
secondcumming

I see Fonterra is putting the iconic *TIP-TOP* brand on the block 🙁

Let’s hope the successful bidder isn’t Chinese……have you seen the shit flavors they like?
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December 6, 2018 11:14am
- MrTips
  
  Hope not Japanese, then we could have EatShitake!™
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:22am
- burt
  
  It should be purchased by the government, renamed “The Peoples Ice Cream” and all other ice cream manufacturers banned from selling ice cream in NZ.
  
  Furthermore, everyone likes vanilla so we only need one flavour.
  
  Comrades – it will be glorious.
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:25am
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps someone can explain to us why, when world milk prices were up on Wednesday, Fonterra has dropped its farmgate milk price forecast for 2018/19 to $6 to $6.30 per kg of milk solids from a previous range of $6.25 to $6.50.
    
    The Global Dairy Trade index rose 2.2 per cent on Wednesday.
    
    The Hooerald reports Fonterra’s chairman, John Monaghan, said the farm-gate drop was due to the global milk supply remaining stronger relative to demand, which has driven a downward trend on the Global Dairy Trade index since May.
    
    https://www.globaldairytrade.info/en/product-results/
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:44am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Fonterra is looking for a buyer for Tip Top.
      
      Good opportunity for a Chinese conglorerate to use the Tip Top skin to penetrate the Chinese ice cream market.
      
      Selling for the short term is the Kiwi way. Look at all the Australian banks that own NZ (bank) brands.
      
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      December 6, 2018 12:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        Yes, the quick fix, flog off Tip Top. The NZ dairy industry was gonna move up the value chain, and the NZ consumer market is a cushion against world price swings. But heh, that’s for the long term.
        
        Possible buyers include:
        
        1. A big foreign company. This would do nothing for NZ’s balance of payments deficits and it would prove we can’t even successfully manufacture our own raw materials.
        
        2. A private-equity investment company, almost certainly foreign, which would then list Tip Top on the stock exchange and make a profit on the deal.
        
        If the private-equity firm overpriced Tip Top to sharemarket investors, Tip Top would finish on the scrap heap where Feltex and Dick Smith were thrown, but the investment company would still have its profit.
        
        Perhaps if Fonterra were smart, it would itself list Tip Top on the NZ sharemarket. NZ is short of listings, and we have Kiwisaver companies and a national super fund keen for promising companies to invsest in.
        
        This way, Fonterra would take any premium that would go to a private equity firm. It might even retain 51 per cent control and still make as much money as it would by flogging off Tip Top off to a private equity firm or other foreign investor.
        
        The Fonterra co-op would be left with control of a useful downstream processor buffered from overseas milk prices – and still have gained that cash fillip.
        
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        December 6, 2018 9:03pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      GDT has been lower than the forecast would allow most of the year Jack, post pundits I watch had the range dropping to $6.
      
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      December 6, 2018 2:00pm
  - Longknives
    
    Vanilla is a bit ‘White’ and ‘Racist’ isn’t it?
    
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    December 6, 2018 12:53pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      And quite possibly homophobic too.
      
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      December 6, 2018 2:20pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      privleged as well
      
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      December 6, 2018 4:24pm
  - tf78
    
    How are we going to keep our People’s Icecream frozen with no electricity.
    
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    December 6, 2018 1:15pm
    - burt
      
      Comrade, as a monopoly supplier that is of little concern.
      
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      December 6, 2018 1:40pm
      - sooty
        
        Ice cream only in winter, if you live far enough south.
        
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        December 6, 2018 9:26pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Matcha (powdered green tea) ice cream is the best!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIuOfZiL1oU
  
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  December 6, 2018 1:14pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Totally agree with you there O-s!
    
    *Talley’s* do a really great green tea ice cream…..I love it served with a few Longan and a splash of running cream.
    
    Give it a go – great summer dessert 😎
    
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    December 6, 2018 3:46pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  You had to ask…
  
  Eat this:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ8VJP79o3A
  
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  December 6, 2018 1:16pm
KH

Diesel price. Yesterday. McKewens Dunedin. $1. 31. And on the weekend same $1.31 at Dunback on The Pigroot. Middle of nowhere.
Today. Jervois Road, Aucland at BP. $1.65 !!
They are laughing at you.
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December 6, 2018 11:36am
- burt
  
  Just $10.60 and you can prepare to do something about this.
  
  https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/non-branded-high-vis-safety-vest-x-large-yellow/p/107414
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Sroubek Affair is still on for Question time today
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-6-november-2018/
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December 6, 2018 11:40am
- godruelf
  
  Sorry Maggy have you lost a month? Its been hanging around for a while though
  
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  December 6, 2018 11:52am
  - rangitoto
    
    From today’s list:
    
    “1 Hon PAULA BENNETT to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her answers to oral questions in the last two weeks in relation to Karel Sroubek?”
    
    Cindy wont be there today I guess.
    
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    December 6, 2018 11:55am
    - KevOB
      
      Ardern was absent. Paula Flummoxed her standin Winston who can find no answers for anything.
      
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      December 6, 2018 3:42pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Why does the media always refer to people who die following a police chase ? Surely the correct description is “person dies after breaking the law and putting innocent lives in danger”, to them be followed by either “good riddence” or highlight that if you do dumb arse shit like running from the cops you may die ? but no, the fucken media make it sound like a good & decent law abiding citizen dies because of police chase….that my friends, is FAKE NEWS
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December 6, 2018 11:52am
- Longknives
  
  ‘The driver killed himself after driving at Dangerous speed and with reckless abandon for the public safety’
  ‘Thankfully no Police or members of the public were harmed by this idiot’s actions’
  
  *That’s how Longknives would report it!
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:42pm
- septic skeptic
  
  It’s not quite as simple as that though is it. The fleeing drivers almost certainly weren’t doing 160 in a 50 area until the chase started. Most of us have little sympathy if he hits a lamppost. But if he t-bones a relative, you might well question the pursuit policy.
  Maybe they should have a law that says that the owner of a fleeing vehicle gets a mandatory prison term unless they can prove on the balance of probability that they were not driving. Stolen cars would still need to be chased and stopped though IMO.
  
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  December 6, 2018 1:15pm
- howitis
  
  Two down.
  So a pregnant women of 35 was in the car that was running from police and the driver went into a lamppost.
  The lamppost was pretty messed up too.
  #prayforlampposts
  
  She died.
  What is the problem here?
  This woman at 35 was clearly trouble if still doing that nonsense.
  Pregnant and already a proven breeder.
  Lingering in stolen speeding cars at 2.30 in the morning.
  Hanging with criminal idiots.
  Did this deceased person make any sensible decisions in her life?
  Possibly not.
  Zero sympathy.
  
  Fortunately no other people were injured by this stupid behaviour.
  That is what counts.
  Two less fools on the roads.
  
  The media write it up like it is a bad thing.
  When I see a 19 year old student doing the right thing and with her life in front of her dying of meningitis that has my sympathy. Completely.
  Not trashy tramps, cavorting with criminals, playing Bonnie and Clyde.
  
  Fairfax got Stuffed continue their deranged journey into complete madness.
  It’s like a free showing of King Lear: the descent into madness.
  
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  December 6, 2018 4:12pm
The Heat

The fems really don’t like Peterson, huh.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-12-2018/my-beef-only-week-living-as-jordan-peterson/

Their shallow cultural Marxism simply cannot deal with the science. How dare someone suggest that there are biological reasons why men and women may act in certain ways! Quick, we must selectively quote and misrepresent!

So weak.

It’s little wonder Peterson is becoming a cultural movement, whilst feminism collapses under the sheer weight of many of its horizontally-challenged proponents.
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December 6, 2018 12:09pm
- Jules99
  
  I’m surprised she hasn’t changed her name to ‘Chapperson’. The story of Peterson’s diet and the amazing health improvements experience by him and his daughter is fascinating and could be helpful to other parents with children suffering that sort of pain that Michaela experienced. But no, lets talk about shit. Silly girl.
  
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  December 6, 2018 12:29pm
  - itstricky
    
    The story of Peterson’s diet and the amazing health improvements
    
    Pfft. Ever heard of a placebo? Peterson hasn’t. That’s the limit of his scientific knowledge. Why don’t you take it up, if it’s so great?
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/19/my-beef-with-jordan-petersons-all-cow-diet
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:12pm
- itstricky
  
  Yeah, let’s focus on the feminists and not Peterson’s completely whacky and unscientific musings about shit that he hasn’t got a clue about!
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:10pm
Dave Stringer

Does anyone know if I can sell my carbon release generated by solar panels?
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December 6, 2018 12:33pm
MrTips

Socialist Cindy has made a record. The most absent PM from sitting in the house in modern times: https://mobile.twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1070409231436664832

Must be all those photo ops.
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December 6, 2018 1:33pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha the ‘Part Time’ Prime Minister!
  Surely that astonishing stat deserves it’s own thread?
  
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  December 6, 2018 1:36pm
  - MrTips
    
    Even better, Cindy is getting shirty with the media:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ZJRitchie/status/1070477746336198656/photo/1
    
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    December 6, 2018 1:41pm
    - Longknives
      
      Stroppy Little Princess!
      Bet she can’t wait to get on the plane to the next UN conference- And leave all those annoying ‘Little People’ in New Zealand (who incidentally pay her $500k salary) behind her…
      
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      December 6, 2018 2:02pm
      - sooty
        
        Has to finish her lawn mowing first.
        
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        December 6, 2018 9:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    DPF needs to start a counter for how many days our PM is MIA.
    
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    December 6, 2018 2:02pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Great idea
      
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      December 6, 2018 4:03pm
Longknives

Massey University (the one that hates free speech and wants to be ‘Treaty’ based) have announced their ‘Quotes of the Year’-

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109136384/new-zealand-racist-as-f-and-paula-benefit-among-finalists-for-quote-of-the-year

It is predictably a load of ‘Anti Trump/ Anti White Men’ comments..
*Fuck I’m glad I went to Otago- Any Massey Alumni around here?
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December 6, 2018 1:34pm
- Jazzby
  
  Yes, I got one of my degrees from Massey and, sadly, it’s the one whose provenance I value the least.
  Some time ago, after ‘the Brash affair’, I wrote to the Office of Alumni, to tell them that I didn’t want anything more to do with the place. It’s now a disgrace.
  
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  December 6, 2018 2:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ll tell folks it was still Massey Agricultural College when I got my BSc from the place.
    
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    December 6, 2018 4:08pm
dime

“Canada arrests Huawei CFO for violating Iran sanctions”

Huawei seem lovely..
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December 6, 2018 1:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Am I Privileged?

I score 18/25….. (possibly could be stretched to 20/25)

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/stats-nz-defends-hosting-check-your-privilege-bingo-game.html
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December 6, 2018 2:14pm
- mandk
  
  I hope someone asks the Minister of Statistics why taxpayers have to fork out money for this sort of offensive activity.
  
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  December 6, 2018 2:21pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Why isn’t “Employed with Taxpayer dollars” a privilege. It’s a job where they are not subject to market forces or the pressure or uncertainty that the public sector has and so they can waste time playing bigoted board games.
    
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    December 6, 2018 3:21pm
- MrTips
  
  23/25. 24 possibly. Don’t care.
  
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  December 6, 2018 2:23pm
  - dime
    
    same lol so much privilege. no wonder everything was just served up to me on a silver platter.
    
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    December 6, 2018 2:32pm
- Manolo
  
  I’m deeply disadvantaged, cara Maggy. Can I invoke the Treaty and claim compensation? Puoi dirmi, per favore?
  
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  December 6, 2018 2:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh Cavolo, Manolo,
    
    I thought you were tall, dark, handsome and astonishingly rich.
    
    Of course you can claim compensation (though you may have to wait in line for a few decades)
    
    However if you can establish that you and Winston are 2nd cousins once removed, you might be moved up the line a bit.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3582082
    
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    December 6, 2018 4:02pm
- Jules99
  
  So, if I’m fat I’m a victim – can I get funding for that?
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:05pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    What’s incredible is that some of the items are entirely or partly up to an individual to choose: Christian, No Criminal Record, Support Mainstream Party, Wealthy, Thin, Employed, Not a Red-Head, Cis.
    
    What an utter load of crap!
    
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    December 6, 2018 4:16pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The less “privileged” you are, the more options of victimhood are available for you to choose to exploit.
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:41pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Just amoral. China has an ugly culture that gives no fucks about anyone else, as all these sickening videos of unfeeling bystanders not helping people obviously in need so starkly demonstrate (You have been warned):

kid run over and stepped over/around and driven over like road-kill by many passer-bys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFifWw6DGz8

women run over but basically ignored by people watching – and is run over again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG52aMGtdXI

People watch old man drown a few meters away pinned under a motorbike in shin deep stationary water:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3224672/Tragic-moment-Chinese-pensioner-drowns-ankle-deep-flood-water-falling-scooter-passers-refused-save-THREE-MINUTES.html#v-4468749841001

kid drowns in busy pool as surrounding adults ignore him:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/horror-five-year-old-boy-10585736
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December 6, 2018 2:31pm
- stephieboy
  
  UN, you’ll find just as many of a similar kind put up by amoral Honkeys like you and many others.
  
  Amoral acts have no colour or ethnic bar. Human condition stuff.
  
  Next, you’ll be dishing up about how this is all genetic like you feeble and febrile comments about genetics and intelligence
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:27pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    It’s about the current Chinese culture, nothing to do with their genes or intelligence.
    
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    December 6, 2018 4:20pm
MrTips

Winston Peters just admitted Govt members may “kmow” Sroubek.
https://twitter.com/simonjbridges/status/1070486532807520256

POPCORN!!!
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December 6, 2018 2:39pm
- rangitoto
  
  The plot thickens. Has Winnie just chucked Taxinda under the bus?
  
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  December 6, 2018 2:50pm
  - sooty
    
    Mr Tips. Are you taking the piss there?
    Kmow!
    Is that reading between the lines about lawnmowers? I love it!
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:10pm
DigNap15

What sort of deterrent to road rage king hit killers is this!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12172364

400 hours community service!
Doing what?
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December 6, 2018 2:48pm
- mandk
  
  Be fair, DigNap15!
  
  He is probably turning his life around and is a promising rugby player.
  
  And his aunty says he’s a good boy, really.
  
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  December 6, 2018 2:55pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  To make matters worse this arsehole followed the guy he thought cut him off to his home and killed him on his property. It was premeditated.
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:31pm
- Longknives
  
  Un-fucking-believable!
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:38pm
- DigNap15
  
  What do you think a fair and sensible sentence would have been?
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:56pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Seven years for manslaughter.
    
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    December 6, 2018 4:09pm
    - starboard
      
      Maori?…of course. *shakes head *.
      
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      December 6, 2018 4:39pm
    - Jack5
      
      The justice system is becoming a bloody joke. Golf lessons for would-be terrorists, community work for road-rage killer.
      
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      December 6, 2018 9:08pm
DigNap15

In case you missed it yesterday, here is a great video of Simon Bridges talking about his career

https://www.national.org.nz/labour_on_notice

Good drumming
And a great slogan at the end!
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December 6, 2018 2:51pm
Woz

Someone really should tell Barely Sober that when you find yourself in a great deep hole…
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December 6, 2018 3:05pm
- stephieboy
  
  Woz, that wasn’t the attitude of rabid righters like you on KB when he was busy dissing it to Jacinda.
  
  Nothing but fulsome praise.
  
  Hypocrites much
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:21pm
stephieboy

RNZ ran a nice news item about President Geroge H Bush’s funeral with his son Geroge W giving the eulogy reflecting on a remarkable life and service to his country ( including WW2 shot down as Pilot ) and family.

Noteworthy was the graciousness displayed by the Bush family inviting the current President who has spent a large part of his political career bad mouthing them. Nasty stuff too.
Let’s see if this has a rub on effect on the hardboiled guy!

I doubt it.!
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December 6, 2018 3:19pm
- KeaRea
  
  The Scherf family richly deserves to be buried.
  
  RIP the Scherf family.
  
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  December 6, 2018 4:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Geroge ??
  Oh, it’s steph 10 on duty today.
  
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  December 6, 2018 4:14pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Captain, give septic a break, its hard to concentrate
    on the spelling when you smell like the dagg end of a goat…..
    
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    December 6, 2018 4:33pm
- godruelf
  
  Saw the presidents seating at the service wondering if Bill was looking enviously at Melania
  
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  December 6, 2018 5:30pm
Pateke

Recommend going to Ghosts of Christmas Parties Past. Circa Wellington. Revue style skits on NZ political leaders. simon gets a hilarious hammering. Choppers is mercilessly lampooned as being a harridan who demands sycophants to lie on the floor in front of her, and the Greens lampooned as devoted to procedure. all good fun and a great laugh.
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December 6, 2018 3:20pm
- Pateke
  
  Should have also added that Winston comes in for some absolute stick, very close to the bone which upset a few blue rinsers.
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:26pm
- Longknives
  
  They took the mickey out of Chompers?
  Seriously??
  
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  December 6, 2018 3:35pm
Manolo

On the despicable Malcolm Turnbull:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/unemployed-sydney-man-claims-unusual-powers/news-story/2915ce8595399e7b6c5d0ee5b1dbba5f

It has evidently escaped Malcolm Turnbull’s attention that he is no longer Prime Minister.

Nor is he even a member of parliament. He is just some bloke with a nice harbourside house and a few tidy investments here and there.

Yet the former member for Wentworth appears to believe it is still his role to call election dates and propose energy policies.
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December 6, 2018 3:58pm
Komata

Question 1 in the House this afternoon is farcical

SLG (predictably) is missing and so Winnie is in her place.

Paula asks about the Stroubek (?) case and Winnie doesn’t answer but rambles and makes excuses and…

Trevor asks for him to repeat again, and asks again and…, and eventually has to put Winnie in his place

Winnie seems to think the whole thing is some sort of joke and that he can say what he wants and treat it very lightly…

An absolute farce!!
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December 6, 2018 4:06pm
- cmm
  
  Mallard’s position depends on Winnie playing ball.
  
  Winnie can walk away and roll Mallard any time he chooses, just like PriNZess.
  
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  December 6, 2018 4:09pm
lifesgood

I’m pretty certain why Mallard hates Bridges. Mallard is a failed school teacher. By all accounts an ill educated boor who used to bully his students. Bridges is a highly educated and successful crown prosecutor. He shows the dim witted Mallard up and Mallard can’t stand it. The duck has a bit of power now and, boy, is he going to use it. I loved the way Bridges ground our air head PM down yesterday. Go Simon! More, please!
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December 6, 2018 4:16pm
- stigie
  
  “I loved the way Bridges ground our air head PM down yesterday.”
  
  He’s doing a bloody great job against the S.L.A.G (silly little ardern girl).
  He is getting more recognized as days go by apart from the media flinging stupid shit at him when its unwarranted !~
  
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  December 6, 2018 5:29pm
  - sooty
    
    She did a no show today and went to some kindy.
    
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    December 6, 2018 8:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Bishop Brian to sort out our prisons.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/377653/destiny-church-rallies-at-parliament-for-access-to-prisons
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December 6, 2018 5:03pm
- rangitoto
  
  I thought he would be at least pope by now.
  
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  December 6, 2018 7:37pm
Jack5

The locally owned Otago Daily Times has been a standout in the slide of NZ’s print media into Left-wing mediocrity.

But an episode of the Tinker, Tailor column in today’s edition of the ODT disappoints.

Jean Balchin, an English-department student at Otago University, chastises Nelsonians who were unhappy to see not a traditional Santa Claus, but rather a Maori version, near-bare chested with some device on a stick that looked like a cross between an Anglican crozier.

Balchin lashes Don Brash and other cheeky whities who have expressed preference for a traditional European Santa Claus.

The footnote says that Balchin has won a Rhodes scholarship to Oxford. Presumably these scholarships are still financed by the money bequeathed by Rhodes from the fortune he made plundering colonial Africa.

Balchin will be able to join other foreign students at Oxford enjoying Rhodes largesse but want statues of the man pulled down at Oxford, and similar heirlooms from Britain’s imperial days destroyed or hidden in storage rooms of museums.

Bloody hypocrites.

Without such imperialists from the age of Rhodes, Otago would not have a university, nor an English language newspaper with as strong a record as the ODT. Instead of white New Zealanders ready to study in Britain, the genes left by pioneers would have survived, but elsewhere – in the hammered working classes of Britain.

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/maori-santa-one-many-versions
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December 6, 2018 5:51pm
KeaRea

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December 6, 2018 6:06pm
Longknives

I wish I hadn’t read that.
She sneers at white people “because their precious darlings are ”missing out” on the traditional St Nick” and completely misses the point.
The Santa Parade was attended by thousands of people who took their kids along expecting Santa Claus- NOT some staunch Maori guy pretending to be a warrior.
These parents had to explain to their upset kids why Santa didn’t turn up!
The Left really are heartless, soulless arsewipes….
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December 6, 2018 6:08pm
The Heat

Urgh…that article.

The POINT is that a Santa Parade….has a f**ken Santa in it. Fat bloke. Wearing red. Big beard. Like Disneyland has a Mickey Mouse in it. Like Buckingham Palace has some guards in furry hats out front. And a Queen.

That’s the story. Santa is the payoff. The show. The resolution everyone is waiting for.

If it doesn’t have a Santa, then it’s something else. Fine, have a Maori Warrior parade, if you like, but that isn’t the story people came to see.
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December 6, 2018 6:43pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Add to that the call is “multi culturism” not the mono-culturism these scum are pushing.
  
  OUR culture is as important as theirs!
  
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  December 6, 2018 7:05pm
- Jack5
  
  I see rugby player Nehe Milner-Skudder has joined the debate about the Nelson Santa Claus.
  
  Stuff uses the term “Hana Koko” – Maori language for Santa Claus.
  
  It describes Milner-Skudder as an All Black. Is he a former All Black, or is the custom that once you have played for the All Blacks you are always described as an All Black?
  
  Stuff also describes him as the “Ngati Porou” winger, and reports him as saying in part:
  
  “Of course we don’t own everything, it was taken at colonisation and we’ve failed as a country to truly understand Maori culture and in turn that means we’ve failed to redress those wrongs.”
  
  I thought Ngati Porou were one of the allies of the British in the East Coast land wars. As such you might say they, too, were colonialists.
  
  Ngati Porou were renown warriors, and later were among Maori who quickly volunteered for service in World War 1.
  
  Milner-Skudder’s father is of Tongan descent.
  
  Regardless, it is interesting to read All Blacks or former All Blacks expressing views on non-sports topics. Milner-Skudder is as entitled as anyone to tell the Net what he thinks.
  
  We might hear more from him.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/109147596/nehe-milnerskudder-weighs-in-on-santa-stoush-takes-aim-at-cultural-assimilation
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:48pm
  - itstricky
    
    or is the custom that once you have played for the All Blacks you are always described as an All Black
    
    No. He is a current All Black.
    
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    December 6, 2018 9:59pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Technically so, but he would need a small miracle to play another All Black test. Too many injuries, too injury prone, too old, too slow, and too many better players in front of him.
      
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      December 6, 2018 11:34pm
KeaRea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21n-toA641c

It’s incredibly bad in England. I don’t really look at them much because it puts me in such a foul mood.

But this is insane.

Their speech crime prosecutions are up 900% year on year. Meanwhile only 9% of actual crime reaches a prosecution. Of those only a tiny fraction are successful. They are actually burying stories about the acid attacks and murders in London in Google search results. Taxpayers are shelling out for prisoners to get sex changes. Their illegal immigration is at 78,000 per year. When they’re an Island. It’s all coming in from Calais so it must be a deliberate policy because there is only one tunnel and a huge amount of rugged easily defended coast-line. There are videos of white kids being roped up by the neck in class rooms and made to bow to Islam to ‘experience colonialism’. At the same time they’re allowing 35 year olds to pretend they are 14 and have relationships with 14 year old British girls in schools. An actual muslim refugee who might be worthy – a girl who ‘insulted the prophet’ because she drank out of the wrong fountain and is subject to the death penalty, is being refused Asylum. Because the local muslims willl kill her any anyone who tries to help her. It ends with a story where an ‘Asian’ journalist does a story about British communities and their teeming mosques.

Homelessness of non-migrants is up double digits for 7 straight years. They’re going to sign the UN Global Migration Compact meanwhile. Brexit is not going to happen. The horrifically bad deal that May offered up will be rejected. It goes to the Commons. Labour have already said they will pull out. Britain is not going to be allowed to leave the EU. Police are being chronically underfunded so pedophiles will receive cautions instead of prison. And it is racist to depict white fathers in advertisements so now officially all couples on the television are mixed race in England.

Yeah I won’t even say anything unpleasant. I guess I just hope that the English decide they want to exist before they don’t anymore.
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December 6, 2018 7:50pm
Rodney Randall

5 days to go and the SLG has just pulled out of an interview with Chris Lynch – (Newstalk ZB)
where he was going to ask her what the government’s position is on the UN Migration Compact and Refugee Compact.

Lynch almost had the PM in tears earlier in the year during a ‘line’ of questioning.

What a gutless coward we have for PM!
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December 6, 2018 9:07pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Mate, you are making the wrong connections and reading the wrong information.
  
  JA is popular, sophisticated and owning the job of a PM, Mum and celebrity.
  
  Best PM NZ has ever seen
  
  Do I need to even add the /sarc
  
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  December 6, 2018 9:13pm
- starboard
  
  ardern is losing it. Not in parliament, flagging interviews, anxiety must be at max revs. Step aside you stupid little girl.
  
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  December 6, 2018 10:17pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Arderne is about to come screaming and flaming
    out as she crashes back down to earth.
    No one should forget this woman didn’t even want the job but was talked into it by,
    Grant Robertson,
    Ian Galloway,
    Phil Twyford,
    Curran,
    Peters,
    Jackson,
    Genter,
    Shaw,
    Davis,
    Jones,
    Woods,
    Hipkins,
    Little,
    Sepuloni,
    Mahuta,
    Mark,
    Martin,
    Whaitiri,
    Logie,
    ETC,ETC,ETC.
    None of these fuckers were thinking of anything but there own political advancement into that magical trough…
    
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    December 7, 2018 6:40am
softail 1450

Sorry i missed out possibly the biggest trougher of
all, Gayford FFS.
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