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Struggling business attempts viral marketing campaign by attacking kiwi kids?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/109092103/nelson-cafe-owner-vows-to-stand-by-his-child-ban-until-kiwi-kids-are-educated
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12170980

It’s his restaurant, so he can set the rules and ban kids. However, he hasn’t put a warning on his website or anything, so I would be pissed if I drove my family out to his burger joint and then got turned away without any such warning. It seems rude even if it his his right to do so. If he can’t handle kids, he should probably reconsider working in hospitality.

Child-friendliness is something I love about NZ’s culture. France and many European countries have a culture that is hostile to parents. This restaurateur’s attitude seems typical for France. It’s no coincidence that white French people have a dismal fertility rate (which is “compensated for” by immigrants and their the high fertility rates). I would rather Mr. Prioux left his child-hating ways behind when he immigrated — NZ does not need Europe’s demographic problems. In fact, I know people who moved from Europe to NZ in large part because wanted to have kids without being excluded from society like this.
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December 5, 2018 8:00am
- Chris2
  
  tas – it’s his business, he sets the rules.
  
  If you want a child-friendly hamburger, go to McDonalds.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:05am
  - tas
    
    I don’t question that he has the right to ban kids.
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:07am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      And again the donwtickers don’t suffer fools gladly taz – your idiotic dog’s breakfast youtube level first comment is going down like Monica Lewinsky pal.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:40am
      - tas
        
        Criticism of the quality of comments is a bit rich coming from you!
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:44am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        tas – there’s a freshly cleaned toilet down at BK with your name on it. Make me proud.
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:59am
      - tas
        
        Classy…
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:02am
    - VicParking
      
      Bit of flack and the snowflack backs down.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:53am
      - tas
        
        My original comment was pretty clear that I respect his right to ban whoever he wants.
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:56am
  - Colinxy
    
    I think tas’ contention is that he doesn’t advertise that his business won’t accommodate children rather than his right to ban children.
    
    Like tas, I’d be pissed to have gone out there with my children, only to be turned away once I’d arrived – though a clear sign outside would placate me.
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:16am
    - tas
      
      Yes, this is what would piss me off — not being informed until I arrived at the restaurant. I typically look up the hours of a restaurant online before going to avoid this problem. I think he should put a “no children” warning on his website next to the opening hours.
      
      I consider failing to publish such a warning to be as annoying as a restaurant listing incorrect opening hours on their website.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:20am
      - Chris2
        
        yes tas, it’s no different when adults go to a restaurant for a nice meal only to discover there are screaming kids running amok.
        
        Those restaurants don’t advertise to expect children running wild with your meal, either. So what’s your pont?
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:28am
      - tas
        
        Chris2: The difference is that the presence of families is standard. There is no need to warn people of something that is normal.
        
        If a restaurant is vegan, I would expect to be warned before I made the effort to drive there. Wouldn’t you?
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:38am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      And there’s the rest of the stupidity . . .
      1) He must therefore hate children. No.
      2) That’s why there’s a low French fertility rate. No.
      3) ‘NZ culture’ – like we all agree on everything. No.
      4) Euro cultures are hostile to children. No.
      5) Who should have to ‘handle’ shitty kids ? No.
      6) I know people who moved – no. So what ?
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:46am
- brett68
  
  So many parents are useless and won’t control their kids, they seem to think it’s acceptable to let them run wild.
  
  Until it improves banning is the best option.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:06am
  - GazzaW
    
    ‘So many parents are useless and won’t control their kids, they seem to think it’s acceptable to let them run wild.’
    
    This is hardly news to teachers. Lack of discipline at home is one of the big problems in education.
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:25am
    - brett68
      
      It’s a huge issue, I don’t understand why so many parents won’t teach boundaries and discipline, it’s so important.
      
      Is it laziness? or do they not know what a parent is and how to be a parent?
      
      It’s not just the odd one or two either, it’s so wide spread, bad unruly behavior from children is expected and has become the norm.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:34am
      - Sacha
        
        I put on my crabby old lady face, tap the kid on the shoulder and tell it to stop behaving that way. They usually stop dead in their tracks, stop, and run to Mum, who is so absorbed in what she is doing that she hasn’t noticed . . . . .
        Most ADULTS go out for a meal expecting to enjoy it in peace and quiet. Other people’s kids are an intrusion.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:13am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Parents are too busy plugged into their phone and expect everyone else to look out for their wayward offspring.
        I can remember a time when Seen and not heard was the order of the day for children when they were fortunate enough to be out.
        Needs to make a come back in my humble opinion.
        
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        December 5, 2018 3:14pm
    - kowtow
      
      Teachers and their unions were / are in the vanguard of the assault on traditional values and good old fashioned discipline themselves.
      
      Now they don’t like some of the consequences of what they wrought.
      
      Tough shit.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:48am
      - big bruv
        
        kowtow
        That is the best comment I have read on here in some time. Well done Sir/Madam.
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:36am
      - GazzaW
        
        I’m not a teacher kowtow but I’m wondering how teachers are somehow to blame for kids’ poor behaviour. Bloody hell, KBers perpetually complain about how little time teachers spend in the classroom. How are they supposed to impose good behaviour patterns when they only have the kids in front of them 25 at a time for 35 hours a week and parents are supposedly responsible for them for the remaining 133 hours a week. Decent behaviour and discipline starts and ends in the home.
        
        It’s kind of strange how Asian children thrive under the NZ education system while so many Kiwis fail and blame the system. It might be something in the home that makes the difference. It’s called parental responsibility.
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:55am
      - Sacha
        
        I’d put lazy parents in with them.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:13am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Tas, anklebiters running amok is one of the least appetising parts of visiting restaurants in NZ.
  
  Having worked in the industry I’m very surprised there are not far more adults-only establishments around the country.
  
  I salute Mr Prioux!
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:09am
  - sooty
    
    At what age will he let them in?
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:11am
    - tas
      
      The sign on his door says no “-18” with the subtext “(+12 with parents only)” whatever that means.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:16am
      - peterwn
        
        Persons under 18 can only lawfully dine at a licensed restaurant if accompanied by a parent or guardian. The +12 restriction is the one set by the owner.
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:33am
      - tas
        
        peterwn: The no -18 part is of course fine. But why is his ban on under-12s even with parental supervision only advertised as a parenthetical subtext?
        
        If I were to arrive at this restaurant with my family, I would probably miss the subtext and walk in. Then he would kick me out. I’ve never been kicked out of a restaurant and would be rather pissed off at him being rude to my family.
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:55am
      - alex Masterley
        
        What about my restaurant trained 11 year old?
        Sits there, eats his food and talks to us coherently.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:18am
    - GazzaW
      
      65?
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:26am
      - freethinker
        
        Sorry Alex fat finger meant to uptick.
        
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        December 5, 2018 1:17pm
  - SGA
    
    I dine out once, may be twice, a week, and I can’t say I’ve had many meals disturbed by children -in fact, there aren’t many children in the places that I dine (and the places aren’t particularly up market). Fast food, burger joints, “family” restaurants, well, I expect to see kids there – caveat emptor.
    Just one person’s experiences.
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:17am
  - Chris R
    
    I was recently at a restaurant in Wellington. There was a large family gathering at an adjoining table. It was clear from comments and staff that it was a significant occasion for Grandad (maybe 80th birthday?) who sat at the top of the table. What got up my nose were the younger family members around the table with their phones out buried in their cyber-affairs and fantasies without attempting to be there in spirit. Surely they could’ve at least feigned some respect for Grandad and been “present” at his occasion? This to me is a strong indication that they’d never been taught anything approaching manners, decorum and a sense of occasion.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:12am
    - GazzaW
      
      I blame the kids’ teachers. Nothing to do with lack of parental input. 😉
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:04am
      - Chris R
        
        Gazza: I hadn’t thought of that, but given the manner in which teachers downplay traditional family institutions you may be on to something.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:13am
      - GazzaW
        
        Really? It’s very strange that Asian kids don’t seem to be affected by this brainwashing. Maybe their family traditions centred on self-discipline and work ethic are too strong.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:47am
      - jcuk
        
        At this stage of the game I am sure the parents do not have a clue about good behaviour so really HOW can they teach the kids?
        
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        December 5, 2018 3:04pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Kowtow is right, teachers are bloody useless, that and the enormous open plan class rooms they have to teach in. If some of the teachers used even a tiny bit of discipline they would realise how much happier and less stressed they would be. Unfortunately the current crop of teachers were never disciplined themselves. I work somewhere that hosts school groups regularly. It is unbelievable the bad behaviour that teachers seem to accept and the total disregard for other people in the place. And trying going to a library these days! Sheesh. I only go now when I know the brats are at school.
    
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    December 5, 2018 12:17pm
- tas
  
  To all the downvoters: If a muslim-owned restaurant banned women unless they dressed modestly, would you leap to their defense? Is it not the right of a private establishment to enforce a dress code?
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:12am
  - softail 1450
    
    Tas ,when was the last time you saw a woman running amock and causing mayhem because she wasn’t wearing a headscarf.?
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:17am
    - SGA
      
      All of the women that I’ve seen causing mayhem weren’t wearing a headscarf 🙂 🙂 🙂
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:19am
    - tas
      
      softail: That’s not the point. Private establishments have a right to enforce a dress code. (Ever been to a fancy nightclub?) Just like they have the right to enforce age restrictions. I’m just observing a double-standard in terms of which rights people will defend or not.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:30am
      - softail 1450
        
        tas ,cant argue with that …..
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:46am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Hilliary Clinton.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:58am
    - Chris R
      
      SGA…when she has a bomb strapped to her?
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:16am
      - SGA
        
        No, I’ve never seen that first hand. You?
        (More important, I think it is pretty obvious to most here that it was a light-hearted throw-away line)
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:28am
  - igm
    
    I would not eat with Muslims, and will not entertain eating anywhere there are a concentration of screeching uncontrolled brats.
    Since Bradford’s anti-smacking legislation it has got really bad, especially McDonalds, Burger King, and KFC.
    Seems to be the place to go and let them squeal and scream in playgrounds (if they have them), then run to parents’ tables and create unabated mayhem. Gives me the shits!
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:17am
    - softail 1450
      
      igm, give them ten years and they will be coming through your window.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:20am
      - igm
        
        softail: Maybe time to get rid of the Pitties and get some more pet Kunes!
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:30am
      - Sacha
        
        – and breeding.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:16am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      igm – don’t forget royally piss all over the toilets like it’s a car wash. Tissues are not wallpaper ferals.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:30am
      - igm
        
        If they are of a privileged race, never clear the tables, but are the first to moan when prices are increased because of extra labour costs.
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:41am
    - MCos
      
      There’s a lot to digest in that comment, igm.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:41am
    - SGA
      
      Since Bradford’s anti-smacking legislation it has got really bad, especially McDonalds, Burger King, and KFC.
      Seems to be the place to go and let them squeal and scream in playgrounds (if they have them), then run to parents’ tables and create unabated mayhem. Gives me the shits!
      
      Then don’t go to McD etc. – families (i.e. kids) are an important part of their demographic. Find a alternative to your Happy Meal 🙂
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:46am
    - srylands
      
      Yes agree. I think it is an Anglo thing. Same in Australia.
      
      I was in Argentina for two months a while back. Lots of families out dining together. I literally saw no instances of children behaving badly.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:47am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Careful igm, this is what is demanded in the UK:
      
      “https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/01/muslims-demand-full-legal-protection-from-islamophobia”
      
      In Canada, the National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM) definition stated that “Islamophobia” was “fear, prejudice, hatred or dislike directed against Islam or Muslims, or towards Islamic politics or culture.”
      
      See that, igm, they would like even ANY ‘dislike directed against Islam’ ‘or towards Islamic politics or culture’ to be illegal?
      
      So: if NZ goes along with this kind of crap I would have no more ability to say ‘I don’t agree with sharia law’ or ‘I find islamic law sexist and homophobic’. Nor would any muslim or ex-muslim who wanted to question sharia law!
      
      Let alone anyone writing the things you’ve written.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:55am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        ‘I find islamic law sexist and homophobic’
        
        What was that famous quote about when telling the truth becomes a crime?
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:01am
      - igm
        
        CL: Go climb in a hole . . . I was brought up to speak my mind, not hide behind a cloak of socialist-inspired bullshit!
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:18am
    - Jack5
      
      Enjoy the school holidays, IGM.
      
      I like the sound of kids having a good time and seeing them enjoy themselves.
      
      If you want a contrast visit a near-forgotten relative or friend in an old folks’ rest home.
      
      Re Classic Liberal’s post above. If they could, Muslims and the PC mob would make it illegal to criticise Muslims (or other ethnic groups).
      
      Look at what’s happening in Melbourne. Ethnic spokesmen and the PC mob have almost cowed the media into not mentioning the ethnicity of the groups of thugs who are creating mayhem there.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:58am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Recently took my foster girl to McDs for a treat for doing well at a inter school event.
      
      It wasn’t the kids running amok but grown adults kicking up a fuss about their orders
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:36am
    - Morrissey
      
      The problem is you. Real life bears no resemblance to the lurid situation you have conjured up.
      
      Why don’t you go and smack someone, make things better?
      
      And….are you Sir Robert Jones, by any chance?
      
      https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/womans-mag-editor-humiliates-dyspeptic.html
      
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      December 5, 2018 11:31am
      - softail 1450
        
        morronissey,KBs unchallenged “fuckwit of the day” winner.
        
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        December 5, 2018 2:01pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        morronissey,KBs unchallenged “fuckwit of the day” winner
        
        Shit thats not fair he won yesterday as well.
        
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        December 5, 2018 3:25pm
      - Morrissey
        
        “Fuckwit of the Day”?
        
        Hey, I’ll take it, buddy!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjnkmNyArNg
        
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        December 5, 2018 4:20pm
  - burt
    
    tas
    
    If a muslim-owned restaurant banned women unless they dressed modestly
    
    Any Muslim woman who refuses to dress modestly has probably been beaten or stoned to death. The SJW’s would ignore that of course because they would be too busy complaining about white men who don’t subjugate woman.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:19am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  taz – NZ culture is sinking your comment faster than One Australia.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:21am
- Woz
  
  I agree with you up to a point. But having more than once been driven mad by other people’s entitled, unruly little shits while trying to eat a civilised meal I’ve paid well for, I’m with M. Prioux here. In fact, I welcome the opportunity to choose to eat in a child-free environment. My kids are only interested in Macdonald’s when it comes to burgers, anyway.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:23am
  - tas
    
    If the kids misbehave, kick them out. A blanket ban seems a bit over the top.
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:33am
    - Woz
      
      Disagree entirely. Who wants the confrontation, stress and unpleasantness of kicking them out? That’d create a lovely dining atmosphere. An ounce of prevention is always worth a pound of cure.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:37am
      - tas
        
        I think he is creating that confrontational, stressful, and unpleasant situation for families as it is.
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:41am
      - calendar girl
        
        In making your various conclusions and criticisms, tas, have you ever been to this eating place?
        
        I have the impression from your first comment (of many on the subject) that you are relying solely on your reading of a newspaper item. Life’s too short, mate – fortunately, you’re not required to patronise this business.
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:12am
      - All_on_Red
        
        At least the stress will be outside the Restaurant
        ?
        You are right in that he should have it on his website. I’ll always look on the web first if it’s somewhere new before we go.
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:15am
      - tas
        
        Calendar girl: this was a prominent article on both stuff and nzherald, which led me to suspect this is actually an attempt at viral marketing. He has obviously gone out of his way to inform the media. And, judging from a brief google of the place, business is a bit slow. That is why I commented even though I don’t live near Nelson. (And I couldn’t stop myself from taking a dig at the French.)
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:32am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      I agree with tas. Plenty of parents like to eat out and also raise their children to control themselves and respect others. Don’t punish decent people because others behave badly. That’s socialist thinking. If kids misbehave in the restaurant, tell the parents they need to either control their kids better or leave. Probably followed by a round of applause from the other diners.
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:16am
DigNap15

Ardern – No strikes on my watch
Teachers and Midwives coming up.
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December 5, 2018 8:03am
- sooty
  
  Yep! They are going to be out for a week next year. You just watch.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:13am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, if I was going to strike a week would be the minium. A days strike is a waste of time.
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:15am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Be close to a term break, I shouldn’t wonder.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:40am
- cmm
  
  David Garrett: – Three strikes on my watch!
  
  🙂
  
  Thanks DG!
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:25am
- VicParking
  
  Why don’t they strike during the school holidays, they are still employed then and would not distrupt the parents. They can all come back from their beach houses or trips overseas to stand on street corners and scream so we would know they are on strike.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:59am
  - sooty
    
    Or they could just stick a liitle flag in the sand at the beach saying “on strike”.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    Secondary teachers are now on holiday…FOR TWO MONTHS! Poor hard done by buggers.
    
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    December 5, 2018 12:21pm
    - GazzaW
      
      A day or so over four weeks leave actually lifesgood. They are away from school for six weeks but the vast majority are required back at school for the final week for prep work and there are four stat days at Christmas and New Year that everyone is entitled to.
      
      Two months holiday is a bit of an urban myth.
      
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      December 5, 2018 1:06pm
- calendar girl
  
  DG – but another dip into the bottomless money-bag for the America’s Cup challenge in Auckland
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:14am
  - sooty
    
    Labour supplying them rich pricks with more money! Don’t you just love it! You watch the duck will be to the forfront!
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:31am
    - calendar girl
      
      $144m from Government so far (excluding what is being provided by Auckland Council).
      
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      December 5, 2018 11:25am
secondcumming

BREAKING

*Darwinism* at work in Christchurch…..

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1070018662759886853
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December 5, 2018 8:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  Apparently, the police gave up after 1 minute into the chase. Later they found the vehicle crashed…as you say Darwin theory in practise.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:13am
- cmm
  
  The kids did well. They were always going to kill themselves. At least they didn’t kill anyone else.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:26am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4uivPpzCGo
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:21am
DigNap15

The sad thing is that our insurance premiums will have to pay for the car and we will have to look after the injured passenger in hospital

What is going to happen to the 7 people that crashed a nice black car driven by a 13 year old into a house last week?
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December 5, 2018 8:05am
- SGA
  
  DigNap15
  
  The sad thing is that our insurance premiums will have to pay for the car
  
  Do insurance companies pay out in such circumstances? (for the offender’s car, I mean, obviously innocent parties should be ok).
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:52am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    They will have to pay out if it was a stolen car, which it probably was.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:56am
    - SGA
      
      Good point.
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:31am
    - sooty
      
      What happens if it was not insured?
      Sue the estate of the driver?
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:32am
srylands

So the French government has backed down on the carbon tax on petrol. Well, postponed to next July. When there will be more riots.

I can see why the French riot to change government policy. It works.
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December 5, 2018 8:07am
- hullkiwi
  
  The French situation is a perfect example of how pseudo Greenies are trying to manipulate circumstances through claiming we need more taxes to indulge nudge theory to get people to change behaviours.
  
  What the pseudo greens then fail to mention is:
  1. What is done with the carbon taxes collected; and
  2. What is their proposed practical/workable substitute solution for the behaviour they want changed?
  
  Please note my wording so electric cars and bicycles are not considered solutions unless you ride a bike to hospital to induce labour.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:21am
  - Colinxy
    
    (Carbon taxes collected). Well, you could always pay Ugandan thugs to plants trees by way of murdering the farmers who refuse to be moved on by force.
    
    That’s the Green way after all.
    
    http://archive.fortune.com/2007/08/27/news/international/uganda_carbon_trading.fortune/index.htm
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:29am
  - Ross12
    
    hullkiwi
    I think in France the extra revenue, which would be huge, was go to subsidising wind mills a solar panels.
    That fact that Germany has to export much of it’s renewable energy generated electricity because it often comes at times of low demand has escaped Macron —most of the German electricity exports is at low prices and sometimes they have to pay the buyer to take it. The Danes have had a similar situation for years.
    The Europeans appear to be slow learners.
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:32am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Ross there was a similar problem with waste to energy plants across Europe. I did the financial planning for some schemes in the UK and they were marginal to the extent the plants were almost at the point of having to pay for waste to process. The issue was too many plants, with too much capacity had been built to turn (burn) waste to energy.
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:36am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    On what basis do you exclude electric vehicles as a solution?
    Within 10 years or so, probably 50% of all new vehicles will be electric. All the major manufacturers already have electric vehicles as part of their standard model range, and in normal vehicles. For instance BMW 320electric. So they are gearing themselves to make the switch.
    Ten years is two or three models away. The new BMW 3 series is out in March. Next model will be around 2024, with the model after that in 2029. That model will be mostly electric.
    So while you personally may not like electric, in 10 years they will be everywhere, and in all styles.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:44am
    - G152
      
      And every-one will enjoy a range that allows them to get to Taupo from Auckland but not return the same day…
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:53am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      So with no gas exploration, no more dams to be built, I guess we’ll have build more coal fired electricity generation into the network, to charge them up?
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:58am
      - Sacha
        
        A friend was telling me that everyone will have solar chargers, so no need for extra power generations. OK I said but who will pay for the roads?
        She was a bit stumped at that but said that the government would pass necessary legislation. In the meantime she is planning to replace her diesel powered Hyundai with a new model.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:27am
    - Peter S
      
      The only thing that has proved reliable and and of long distance with electric cars is the gap between expectations/promises and what is actually delivered.
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:10am
      - stephieboy
        
        Peter S, where there is demand there is supply. The Nissin Leaf and Toyota hybrids etc are doing very well.
        
        Let the market sought this one out!
        
        The Battery etctechnology is ever improving,
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:14am
      - Manolo
        
        stephieboy number X meant “sort” instead of “sought”. Someone with a very poor command of the English language must be on duty this morning.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:21am
      - Peter S
        
        @SB
        Hybrids are more viable, though I have concerns about battery Tech still.
        Full electric is to me a bit too much like the last round of 3d tv tech- as in not there yet.
        The current market is being gamed by subsidies, and that runs the hot house plant risk.
        I may be wrong, but my gut says burned fingers and a bubble burst are likely.
        I just think there are a couple of tech generation steps needed to be really viable.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:27am
      - Peter S
        
        @SB.
        I am all in favour of the supply and demand concept.
        Here is the challenge to your example tough.
        
        Let’s remove the subsidies and tax for road usage by km (Same as with diesels).
        
        Then let’s see what the real demand is.
        If there is a real demand and tge product is fit for purpose this will present no problem. whatsoever.
        
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        December 5, 2018 12:16pm
    - graham
      
      Wayne, there are two problems with electric vehicles as I see it, here in NZ (I haven’t done exhaustive research so I stand to be corrected):
      
      1. Range. Sure you could argue that for every day use, people who live in major cities and travel less than 100 km a day on average are fine. But even there, as cities continue to spread, we could run into problems. I can only speak on Auckland as that’s where I live, but I personally have a round trip of 104 km every day, and there’s plenty of people I’m aware of who travel further. Anybody who lives in Warkworth or Wellsford to the north is going to be similar. Now, according to the https://www.energywise.govt.nz/on-the-road/electric-vehicles/electric-vehicle-range/ website, a Nissan Leaf has a range of up to 120km for its generation 1 model. In other words, my 104 km daily commute is starting to get up to the top limit. All it takes is one decent traffic jam, or a diversion to go shopping, and I’m stuffed.
      
      Holidays? Travelling from Auckland to Tauranga or the Mount? Forget it.
      
      2. Towing. As I understand it, you have to get a high-end model (think Tesla) to be able to tow anything. So much for any kiwi who wants to tow the boat, caravan, heavily-laden trailer …
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:21am
      - JIV
        
        I think you miss a massive problem. That would be a garage with electricity on the property. Look around the streets and count the number of cars parked outside their properties. Not one of these can be electric as they cannot be charged from their house
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:39am
      - madamezucchininz
        
        …also from talking to people who seem to know a thing or two about ev’s….they are extremely heavy….hence damage to our roads and extensive upgrading of roads to accommodate said ev’s….
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:03am
      - jcuk
        
        Graham ….
        3. Safety to other road users due to their lack of noise…. My Support Worker just started to use one and several times she has nearly taken out some dumb student looking at their cellphone while listening to noise though headphones.
        Of course if you do not live in a varsity town ….. 🙂
        
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        December 5, 2018 3:35pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Wayne, while I accept what you are saying is true. Until technology improves, there are a number of issues:
      1. Battery capacity and charging capability, extra batteries equal more weight;
      2. Without nuclear power, there is not a country in the world that can produce enough electricity to meet commitments to cut green house gases, provide enough electricity for general needs and power all vehicles in their country;
      3. All electric vehicles being promoted/produced are fine if you are an urban dweller and do not need a vehicle for trade purposes.
      
      Until those issues are addressed electric car/shopping baskets are fine if you want a car for virtue signaling purposes only.
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:25am
      - Piniwi
        
        Right hullkiwi but for NZ there is a much bigger problem after the O&G Captains Call. Natural gas is still the most earth friendly fossil fuel for electricity generation and it is being eliminated here. Meanwhile the Qatar have signaled leaving OPEC to concentrate on gas production and exports so they at least know demand will grow. Even developing countries see gas powered generation as a means of emission reduction while increasing electricity coverage for their people. Thin PNG where NZ has offered funding. Likewise with their immense wealth Qatar may well offer some sort of assistance to build gas powered electricity generation to developing countries. The likely condition being a continuous exclusive supply contract thereby creating a virtual “pipeline” for massive market expansion.
        Energy security in NZ has already been threatened in recent months highlighting big problems that might be exasperated by bigger demands for electricity if EV numbers increase with a rush. Something that even at this stage seems to be provided free of charge unless recharging is at home?
        That is before there is any single thought to how the EV’s will pay their fair share of roading costs and maintenance. Now an even bigger challenge for NZTA who are having funding extracted for other frivolous spending. Many will be unaware of how much sound deadening is done to reduce road noise in modern conventional cars. Imagine how much more it will become a factor in EV’s as the roads deteriorate from a lack of funding? The biggest issue seems to be a tendency to oversimplify the EV situation along with so much misinformation being trotted out.
        
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        December 5, 2018 3:18pm
    - KevOB
      
      There are other energy sources appearing that may make an electric car obsolete within 10 years.
      
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      December 5, 2018 5:47pm
- cmm
  
  Postponed to July?
  
  That’s summer, better weather, more people come out.
  They also get 7 months to get organised (even the French can do that).
  
  So expect more people to riot next time!
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:28am
- Ross12
  
  Well the protesters are not buying it,so Macron can expect more this weekend
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/04/not-enough-yellow-vests-reject-temporary-suspension-fuel-tax-rises-france/
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:45am
Left Right and Centre

The phasing out of ‘single use’ plastic shopping bags has offered the well-heeled, who deign to appear in their local supermarket, a new way to demonstrate their superiority . . .
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December 5, 2018 8:07am
- stigie
  
  Lets change that to “triple use” !!
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:25am
- Than
  
  Don’t get me started on that utterly stupid policy. It’s a minor thing, but incredibly annoying, and with no environmental benefit. All so the substanceless princess can virtue-signal to her social circle.
  
  Seriously, why has getting rid of plastic become the irrational moral panic that it has? Was there anything in particular to trigger it, like a major news story or a celebrity making it their cause celebre? Because if so I missed it. Although that doesn’t stop these obnoxious busy-bodies inconveniencing my life purely so they can feel good about themselves.
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:50am
  - calendar girl
    
    “Seriously, why has getting rid of plastic become the irrational moral panic that it has?”
    
    Higher profits for supermarkets, perhaps?
    
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    December 5, 2018 11:36am
Rich Prick

Today I identify as a f**king TERF.
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December 5, 2018 8:07am
hmmokrightitis

Wondered why J2M was on my flight, seems hes chasing another global climate crisis conference, this one with Sir Dave speaking as well. That must be jolly.

Funny, cos seeing him up the pointy end of the plane supping it up large made me wonder how he sleeps at night? From all appearances, it was “quite well”. Glad my taxes are helping out.
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December 5, 2018 8:14am
Gerrit

As oldies can remember this type of union bullying very well. Right on Christmas.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1812/S00024/til-z-energy-prepare-for-tanker-driver-strike.htm

Just as well we have competition for the petrol dollar and we can bypass Z.
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December 5, 2018 8:15am
RRM

Some guy videoed his jetboat trip up the Godley River from Lake Tekapo – beautiful!

https://youtu.be/LVr2Ptz4SvE
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December 5, 2018 8:19am
- dave_c_
  
  Brilliant – Just the tonic to get away from the day to day humdrum of politics and other crap.
  Had the pleasure of travelling by jetboat on the Wanganui River – 70 k’s south from Taumarunui and back. Bloody marvellous, good for the soul.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:32am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Seeing people spell Taumarunui and Wanganui correctly is good for my soul.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:38am
    - G152
      
      In spite of the nonsense there is a village and stream on the west coast of the South Island called Wanganui…
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:55am
      - sooty
        
        There was an elderly retired shopkeeper on zb talkback at nights, from Little Wanganui.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:39am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Brucie from Little Wanganui.
        A very interesting man.
        Always enjoyed his contributions.
        
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        December 5, 2018 4:44pm
- MrTips
  
  Yup, that’s goat. He’s got this cool tripod setup on the back of his puddlehopper. Check out his one up the Wilkins from the Makarora and also his trip into Lake Ellery. He’s quite the video afficianado on YouTube and JBNZ
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:35am
- Harkman
  
  Mate I’d never been to Tekapo before (or after age 4), but my siblings were all travelling there with their families, on like the 28 Dec, 2/3 years ago, so I tagged along. The day was 28°c, clear blue skies and when we went over the hill and down the other side. Wow! That lake was perhaps the most amazing thing I’d ever seen, so blue. What a trip. I’d put it ahead of Akaroa and Pelorus Sound, just stunning. I love the little Church, it would be great to get married in but it wouldn’t be very private (like 5,000 tourists watching).
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:01am
  - jcuk
    
    You just shut the doors as the minister did when my Son got married at Tekapo some years back.
    
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    December 5, 2018 3:45pm
    - Harkman
      
      Nice ?
      
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      December 5, 2018 5:14pm
secondcumming

In elite yachting circles, he’s known as ‘Pushover Parker’…..no wonder!

It’s a double-whammy, as yet another *$22million* is extracted from hard-pressed Taxpayers and Auckland Ratepayers, to be thrown at the America’s Cup. This on top of the $124 million already promised!

As my father-in-law said, “If nothing else, there’s bound to be a few swimming pool builders and landscape architects rubbing their hands together, like the last time it was here”
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December 5, 2018 8:19am
Sofia

Lees-Galloway admits to not reading the whole Sroubek File.
Apparently the information vital to a deportation decision is contained in the first two pages of the 12 page file summary.
So how much did he read? Any of it?

And likewise with Winston and Ardern.

The deputy PM said he’s read over the case and is fully satisfied with the minister’s conclusion.  Mr Peter’s comments came after Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern also defended Mr Lees-Galloway’s decision …
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/privacy-is-critical-in-sroubek-s-residency-case-winston-peters.html

And if none of them read the first two pages of the file, on what do they base their conclusions?
What else explains this incredulous situation?
Is there really credence to prevalent “conspiracy theories”.

As outlined by one kiwiblog commenter –
My take on how the drug dealer Sroubek fiasco will play out. It is my belief that he has a client list which includes senior NZLP members and/or their partners, and possibly senior figures in the New Zealand public service.
The offer of residency was negotiated to buy his silence, to keep that client list away from prying eyes.

And another –
The accusations put forward re Sroubek and his client list were described as part of Operation Ark. Paula Bennett speech in the house re Sroubek’s history – she said, “Arrested soon after as part of Operation Ark, a covert investigation into drugs. I reckon there is a bit more to come on that. So we’ll keep digging around that one and keep watching that one – that’s a watching brief.”

Obviously Paula Bennett is aware of the re-emergent rumours or theories.
https://www.facebook.com/paulabennettUH/videos/281210015840062/?t=197
video – 3:00 from start

So, What leverage is there in information Sroubek has on Auckland drug circles and how far does that possible influence reach?
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December 5, 2018 8:20am
- Maxx
  
  On the first two pages? Its almost like the tried to bury the key information. ILG was only ever going to read the first paragraph, and then skip to the last page to see the end.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Perhaps he is not clever enough to read more than two pages in one go without a rest.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:45am
- peterwn
  
  In the first two pages? If it was properly written it should have been obvious from the first paragraph of the executive summary.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Correct Sofia..
  
  This Sroubek affair is connected to the bigger Drug World and some influential people in NZ.. (not only those with obvious political links).
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:50am
  - Longknives
    
    This does my freaking head in-
    
    https://spy.nzherald.co.nz/spy-news/hayley-holt-named-tv-personality-of-the-year/
    
    Is there anyone in NZ TV less deserving of accolades than this ditz? Honestly she seems away with the fairies most mornings and when she does spout an opinion it is usually so far Left she makes Jack Tame and Matty Whatshisface look like Mike Hosking!
    I guess shagging All Blacks is a great career move in this Country..
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:09am
    - Sideoiler
      
      …….I guess shagging All Blacks is a great career move in this Country…..
      
      Careful lest you invoke the wrath of Kimbo.
      According to him/her shagging Holt raised Ritchie’s profile.
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:40am
    - big bruv
      
      “Is there anyone in NZ TV less deserving of accolades than this ditz?”
      
      Jack Tame. Whist I despise Holt that Tame makes my skin crawl.
      
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      December 5, 2018 11:47am
  - Sofia
    
    In the letter, Lees-Galloway to Karel Sroubek, “Re: Your liability for deportation”, the third condition imposed says –
    
    3) That you do not provide false or misleading information, or conceal any relevant information, in your dealings with any government agency during the next five years (starting upon your release from prison).
    
    Each of the 3 conditions say – “starting upon your release from prison”
    WTF?
    Why not from right now, when questions are being asked and Interpol, as well as other agencies, may require further information from Sroubek?
    __________
    The letter, Lees-Galloway to Karel Sroubek – https://www.scribd.com/document/391829025/Letter-to-Karel-Sroubek#download&from_embed
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:21am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Please Gallopaway didn’t need to read it. He was acting on instructions.
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:17am
  - sooty
    
    Yep from the top of the Labour parliamentry wing and stuffed it up!
    Corruption!
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:42am
sooty

Comrade Cindy is off on another jolly overseas. Did she take Jethro and squrriel with her?
Was she on commercial or broomstick 1?
Who and how many nanys?
Side trip to Harrods, for chrissy shopping?
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December 5, 2018 8:20am
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Sooty.
  
  Another day, another conference…
  
  This one on Climate Control.
  
  The UN Leaders Summit, APEC, G20, there must be leaders about who have barely spent a whole week in their own countries this past couple of months…
  
  I see this the latest talkfest did, at least, have the novelty of having a decent guest speaker – Sir David Attenborough – but Cindy’s fond belief that anything we say is gonna have ANY influence on the ‘big’ players/Climate changers – the US, China, India – is laughable.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    50000 extra deaths from winter cold in UK last year. Cold is the genuine killer not warmth.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/30/excess-winter-deaths-in-england-and-wales-highest-since-1976
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:23am
    - sooty
      
      One ton of coal free to every pensioner!
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:44am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Gordo Breeowwn, gave them a winter fuel allowance (sound familiar) to buy the pensioner vote when he was Chancellor in 1997.
        
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        December 5, 2018 2:57pm
- VicParking
  
  Jethro brought her crutchless nickers for Xmas so she can get a better grip on her broom stick.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:05am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I just vomited a little bit.
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:19am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1344/whats-the-deal-with-witches-and-broomsticks/
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:26am
- Southern Raider
  
  Anyone else notice article about how Jethro is the first dad in NZ to help look after their children has been in the top three articles as listed in order on Stuff? Looks like someone is spending big advertising dollars to keep that up there for three days so far
  
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  December 5, 2018 7:04pm
Simon

Drugs coming into NZ arranged by Mexican gangs. The worst criminals in the world.

Start executing high level drug dealers in NZ that deal with these overseas gangs.
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December 5, 2018 8:24am
- SGA
  
  If you can actually convict a high level drug dealer with a drug crime – often something like tax evasion or money laundering is all that they can make stick 🙁
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:34am
- kevn
  
  @Simon… Are these the very same folk who sell ‘lawnmowers’ to minor celebs?
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:54am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear,
  seems we must have a hole in the supply chain now that the Eastern Europeans have their men out of action for a wee spell.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:59am
MCos

Yesterday I put some petrol in the car and payed $2.159.
This morning I looked down the right hand side of the Kiwiblog window and there is a post from only a couple of months ago wondering if we’ed be paying $2.50 by Christmas.
Some of the Shock Horror comments haven’t aged well with predictions of a plunging dollar and such like.
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December 5, 2018 8:28am
- Harkman
  
  The NZD is up 2c because markets think the US and China will negotiate. Trump ain’t going to go soft. Dead cat bounce, Cosy.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:06am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The us bond yield curve has started to invert, historically that always presages recession. So USD is down.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:22am
    - Harkman
      
      Yes an inverted yield curve does indicate a recession but, the 30 yrs is still 3.3% so not inverted yet, the ffr is 2.25%
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:55am
- dime
  
  “Yesterday I put some petrol in the car and payed $2.159.”
  
  would have been under $2 without the mean tax jacinda inflicted on the working class
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:45am
  - gump
    
    Petrol stations down here are selling 91 unleaded for $1.98 a litre.
    
    Maybe you should move.
    
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    December 5, 2018 2:12pm
    - dime
      
      id rather set myself on fire.
      
      ill worry about petrol prices when it hits $7 a litre
      
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      December 5, 2018 3:11pm
- rangitoto
  
  Yep. Thanks be to Mr Trump.
  
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  December 5, 2018 11:21am
secondcumming

Just seen a sign *TURKEY $60* in the butchers window…..

Wow – that’s $1400 cheaper than The House of Travel !
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December 5, 2018 8:29am
- Biscuit
  
  My first smile of the day, secondcumming!
  
  And your mentioning of Turkey there is, I trust, the closest I come to experiencing any of that grossly-overrated fowl over this Christmas period!
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:33am
  - G152
    
    Is it truss or trust when it comes to Turkey?
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:58am
    - MH
      
      it’s the Saudi Arabian breed you should try and get, but they are disaspearing fast, leaving a sour taste in the mouth. They need plenty of butchers to do the job.
      
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      December 5, 2018 4:56pm
oldpark

Check out French Riots. They are all about why they have have to pay for the myth of Climate Change. The riots are really about a Carbon Tax revolt. Does that sound familiar. NZs are up for One Billion Three Hundred Million Dollars to be paid to third world countries. Maybe that is why Teachers are not getting their pay claims settled. There is no more money. It is being paid to shit hole Third World Countries.Go the French,NZs will just pay up without a murmur.
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December 5, 2018 8:32am
Scott

The people of Israel get a lot of grief from some people on this blog. But here is what they have to deal with –
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-december-4-2018/
Apparently Hezbollah terrorists are digging tunnels from Lebanon into Israel. They are stockpiling weapons and missiles presumably to attack as many Israelis as possible.

Note that Israel does not occupy any part of Lebanon. Israel has not undertaken any aggressive acts against Lebanon. Israel’s crime is that they exist. This is what Israelis have to face every day. Enemies all around them.

I believe most fair-minded kiwis stand with Israel which is the only democratic country in the whole region. They have to put up with a lot from countries all around them who basically do not accept their right to exist.
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December 5, 2018 8:36am
- oob
  
  You disgrace our Kiwi war dead with your Zionist propaganda.
  
  Go to the war monument in your town, look at the word “Palestine” inscribed on it, and offer a prayer of apology to our fallen.
  
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  December 5, 2018 1:43pm
oldpark

Heard Commie Chic Comrade Ardern is number 29 on the so called Forbes list. Seems she is rated behind Angela Merkel and Teresa May. Not good news for Ardern. As it appears neither mentioned women will be around this time next year. Surely not her as well. Hope not. Yeah Right!
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December 5, 2018 8:42am
- sooty
  
  You old devil you, bringing some christmas cheer to all but the COL!
  She had better double wrap her arse again, because she’s going to get spanked!
  I would join in on a french type protest, not a problem at all. Teach them snowflakes how to do it!
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:27am
- Piniwi
  
  @ oldpark thery make a big thing of her being on the “list” but much less about a massive slide from last time from 13th. They do say 13 is unlucky from sum.
  We seem to be in another drive to make the SLG look good again to a to the Christmas woes. Today she announced a $100 million Green Investment Fund aka another through for a hand picked group to “manage” an investment company. What could go wrong?
  
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  December 5, 2018 3:38pm
Cobolt24

Two dead in a car crash after fleeing police in Christchurch.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/109098059/two-dead-in-christchurch-crash-after-police-chase
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December 5, 2018 8:51am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Darwinism?
  Survival of the smartest?
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:44am
- G152
  
  Think of the Ambos and police who have to dig the bodies out.
  And the undertakers
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:00am
Manolo

The cretin Macron is in deep trouble, isn’t he?
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December 5, 2018 8:54am
Keeping Stock

An interesting aside during Question Time yesterday. Trevor Mallard allowed his absolute bias to get the better of him, and had to withdraw and apologise for referring to a point of order by Simon Bridges as “smart-arse”:

SPEAKER: Order! No, sorry. Mr Robertson, you will stand, withdraw and apologise. I think we’ve had some very poor examples from the two most senior Government members in the House today.

Hon Grant Robertson: I withdraw and apologise.

SPEAKER: Mr Lees-Galloway. No, start again please.

Hon Simon Bridges: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. When he says “two most senior”, does he mean me and Grant Robertson. What about Winston Peters?

SPEAKER: Sorry? Would the member like to elaborate? What’s his issue?

Hon Simon Bridges: That’s all right.

SPEAKER: Well, there was an argument happening between Mr Robertson and himself. He was lucky not to be singled out in the way Mr Robertson was, and I used the time to indicate a general level of dissatisfaction with the senior members of the Government. Having, frankly, comments that are smart-arse from the Leader of the Opposition, by way of a disorderly point of order, in the way that I’ve just warned Mr Seymour of, is not at all helpful.

Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It is surprising to hear you use language like that directed at the Leader of the Opposition, when you are at the same time calling for more order and decorum in the House, and I think, frankly, it’s inappropriate.

SPEAKER: No, I withdraw and apologise for my comment to the Leader of the Opposition, but I do want to reinforce the fact that I have had more than enough of points of order that are nothing but disorderly, and the Leader of the Opposition and Mr Seymour are the two worst offenders.

Day after day, Mallard’s conscious and unconscious bias against National is reflected in his decision-making. To his credit, he apologised, but it is an embarrassment to him nonetheless.
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December 5, 2018 9:01am
- kevn
  
  What a freak show government…
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    it’s 3rd World Banana Republic stuff..
    
    Peters’ replies (on behalf of the PM) to Questions yesterday were incomprehensible and Mallard is out of his depth trying to contain some semblance of Procedure with Peters
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20181204_20181204_04
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:31am
- VicParking
  
  I see that the Government MP’s have been given new instructions. Its no longer “The last nine years” it now “The last three terms of the National Government”
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:12am
Harkman

Winston is saying publicly he supports the 5% threshold but privately he’s like “get that down to 4% ASAP.”
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December 5, 2018 9:09am
- stephieboy
  
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  Harman, you must understand how lowering the threshold can advantage rabid right wing nut parties like the former NZ conservative party that could manage only about 3.79%.
  
  Otherwise voice in the wilderness stuff.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:41am
  - Manolo
    
    Take it easy, stephieboy. Your communist Green-socialist Labour coalition is safe (for the time being).
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:44am
- RW Capitalist
  
  They say they want a referendum on it.
  Whats the question?
  I have an example
  Do you want the threshold for MMP…
  To be lowered to 4%
  Remain the same
  Raised to 8%
  Now vote.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:50am
  - Peter S
    
    15%
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:00am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      37%
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:35am
backster

Interesting………..https://globaljusticeecology.org/coal-is-king-at-un-climate-talks-in-poland/
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December 5, 2018 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well they had better bring back some cheaper coal to Britain… the old folk are dying off in droves in Winter.
  “It is likely that last winter’s increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/30/excess-winter-deaths-in-england-and-wales-highest-since-1976
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:37am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, below average winter temperatures, does not suggest to you an extreme weather event?
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:46am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Does it suggest an extreme weather event to you you disgusting little perver of pubescent school girls?
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Is that what the Global warmers are now resorting to:
      Every time the weather deviates from the IPCC models of increasing global temperatures we are going to be told that it is “an extreme weather event”?
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:51am
      - stephieboy
        
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        MW, but that is precisely what they are saying. Increased global temperatures will see more erratic and extreme weather events.
        
        https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/impacts/global-warming-rain-snow-tornadoes.html#.XAbpwC17FjQ
        
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        December 5, 2018 9:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Explain the physics to me then, stephieboy: How increasing Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere lead to decreasing winter temperatures.
        
        I only have one paper in Physics and I’m afraid my 6 years of teaching Physics at Secondary School level leave me unequipped to understand how atmospheric greenhouse gases can lead to higher global temperatures sometimes and colder global temperatures other times.
        
        I asked the hubby for help… as his PhD is on low-temperature Physics.. but he couldn’t solve the mystery either.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:05am
      - cmm
        
        Maggy, or course a PhD in Physics won’t help anyone understand.
        
        Climate Science is a branch of Political Science. Get someone with the right qualifications!
        
        I bet the person teaching civics or whatever at the school will be able to set you straight.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:09am
      - Longknives
        
        “Explain the physics to me then Stephieboy”
        
        I think that’s maybe being a bit hopeful Maggy!
        He still hasn’t got his wee head around Roman Numerals…
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:14am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Maggie
        I have papers in,
        Thermodynamics
        Electronics
        Quantum mechanics
        Nuclear theory
        it’s been so long I’d have to look the rest up.
        Only a partial degree in Physics (found out what most people know by 18yo …I don’t actually like Physics)
        From what I have seen so far, the current sunspot cycle seems to be more influential on climate than our own planetary cycles.
        Human involvement in climate change, along with the whole biomass of the planet appears to come a long way behind relatively random events such as Volcanic eruptions and continuing emissions form the planet.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:36am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        YUP
        Don’t analyze the results and conclude.
        Change the rhetoric and then conclude.
        First one changes the conclusion
        the 2nd one changes the question so the conclusion stays the same.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:44am
      - Jack5
        
        Mr Dr Wassilieff (as opposed to Mrs Dr Wassilieff)
        has a Ph. D. in “low-temperature physics”.
        
        Presumably that encompasses superconductivity.
        
        If the Wassilieffs want to put their beloved Gizzy on the map, how about creating some sort of model levitation railway for tourists?
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:49am
      - rangitoto
        
        “I asked the hubby for help… as his PhD is on low-temperature Physics.. but he couldn’t solve the mystery either.”
        
        Was hubby at Vic back in the seventies? Might be someone I knew in the Physics dept back in those days.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:31am
      - rangitoto
        
        “MW, but that is precisely what they are saying. Increased global temperatures will see more erratic and extreme weather events.:
        
        So you are saying that no evidence can refute your theory. The term for this is pseudoscience.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:33am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        “MW, but that is precisely what they are saying. Increased global temperatures will see more erratic and extreme weather events.:
        
        So you are saying that no evidence can refute your theory
        
        No, I am not saying that.
        
        Try and comprehend what I have requested:
        
        I am specifically talking about “below average winter temperatures”… not associated “weather events”.
        
        I am asking you to explain how a molecule that leads to global warming results in cooling (below average) temperatures.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:47am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @rangitoto
        
        Yep, Hubby did his honours year and PhD at Vic….
        from Mid 70s -1980. He was one of the lab demonstrators for 1st yr Physics students.
        
        @Jack 5
        Not superconducting per se.
        He was investigating thermopower and resistivity of
        some alloys at v. low temp.
        
        Only sort of railway hubby would be interested in is one carrying stinking, belching coal-fired engines.
        https://www.gcvr.org.nz/
        
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        December 5, 2018 12:04pm
    - cmm
      
      Half the time temperatures are going to be below average. That’s kinda what average means (well it’s really what median means but that’s probably overload for you).
      
      Not really extreme at all unless you consider tossing a coin and getting heads an extreme coin-tossing event.
      
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      December 5, 2018 9:54am
      - jcuk
        
        Sorry Maggy I hit report and not reply … they both start with RE!
        wanted to point out “what goes up has to come down” … so THEY say
        
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        December 5, 2018 4:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  backster, furiously lobbying for a coal-fired power station to be built in your locality?
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:44am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    YUP..2 provisions.
    1. My neighbours and I get FREE electricity.
    2. They collect and filter ALL emissions.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:48am
  - cmm
    
    I lived for two months at the Duvha coal powered power station in South Africa in the 1980s.
    
    Unless you looked up at the cooling towers and smoke stack (hardly anything coming out due to electrostatic precipitators) you’d think it was just a suburb anywhere.
    
    Things have improved significantly from then.
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:05am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      The always show chimneys with white smoke coming out.
      Since coal smoke is BLACK
      either
      What they are seeing is steam
      or
      They just announced a new Pope.
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:27am
      - cmm
        
        Yup,
        
        Look at any modern coal station on Google Earth and you don’t see any smoke.
        
        The Duvha station I mentioned is 1970s technology. It was clean then (just a wee bit of smoke), but had new precipitators fitted in 1993 – making it better. Modern ones are better yet.
        
        It is a huge station (approx 4x the capacity of Huntly).
        
        Indian, Russian, Chinese etc stations are still a bit smokey, Western stations are clean and it’s often difficult to even see if they are actually running.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:08am
  - rangitoto
    
    Coal or nuclear would be fine with me.
    
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    December 5, 2018 12:08pm
    - cmm
      
      Quite.
      
      If the choice was to live within 500m of a coal station or 500m of a wind farm, then no question: the coal station.
      
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      December 5, 2018 1:54pm
Hugh Pavletich

Australian property prices could crash by 50% in ‘outrageous scenario’ … News Com Au

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/house-prices-crash-by-50-per-cent-rba-launches-300-billion-bank-rescue-in-outrageous-forecast/news-story/dfe04760314817d932f6a82c32fd19b6

The Reserve Bank could be forced to step in with a $300 billion bailout program to rescue Australia’s banks if the housing credit crunch accelerates into a “doom loop” that causes property prices crash by 50 per cent, plunging the country into recession.

That’s according to Saxo Bank’s latest “Outrageous Predictions” report, which outlines a series of “unlikely but underappreciated events” that could send shockwaves across financial markets if they were to occur. … read more via hyperlink above …

Saxo Bank presents its ‘outrageous’ predictions
In-Depth-The Australian
… behind paywall …
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Deutsche: Australian property to crash like Ireland – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/12/deutsche-australian-property-crash-like-ireland/
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https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/12/deutsche-australian-property-crash-like-ireland/#comment-3240973

… Pavletich comment on top thread …

How vulnerable are the Australian and New Zealand Banks to class action suits for irresponsible high multiple and therefore unconscionable lending ?

What lessons about responsible lending did the Australian and New Zealand Banks and Regulators learn from the GFC ? … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 5, 2018 9:14am
- Cobolt24
  
  New video from DFA about the NZ property market:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs2ek7RXCbI
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:19am
- cmm
  
  Could.
  
  We could be wiped out by a meteorite tomorrow.
  
  We could also win Lotto (well not me since I don’t buy tickets, but I could).
  
  Don’t waste my time with could. What’s likely?
  
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  December 5, 2018 11:10am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    News Com Au article republished by The New Zealand Herald …
    
    Aussie house prices could crash by 50 per cent in worst case scenario – NZ Herald
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12171501
    
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    December 5, 2018 11:39am
    - starboard
      
      ” NURSE !”
      
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      December 5, 2018 12:17pm
      - starboard
        
        You really ought to give it up Hughie, see the latest headline from the Good Returns site.
        
        “Another Auckland house price surge possible:”
        
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        December 5, 2018 12:24pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      House prices fall: ‘Negative equity’ terrifies Aussie homeowners … News Com Au
      
      https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/selling/one-million-aussies-could-become-prisoners-in-their-own-home-as-falling-prices-put-them-in-negative-equity/news-story/1921b57f528eee0629ac52ab390b5816
      
      As house prices across the country plummet, Aussies from all walks of life are terrified of these two words … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      December 5, 2018 12:37pm
Manolo

Another day in the life of Al Gore, official AGW-peddler:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/04/al-gore-kicked-off-24-hour-climate-broadcast-as-thousands-rioted-in-paris-over-carbon-taxes/

Former Vice President Al Gore kicked off his live 24-hour broadcast calling for solutions to man-made global warming Monday as waves of protests against the very types of policies Gore champions rocked major French cities.

“All of it is felt most keenly by the world’s most disadvantaged people,” Gore said during the live broadcast Tuesday from Southern California’s Los Angeles State Historic Park. “It’s up to each and everyone of us now to demand that our leaders do more.”
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December 5, 2018 9:17am
Cobolt24

This new video from Digital Finance Analytics about NZ property market is interesting too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs2ek7RXCbI
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December 5, 2018 9:18am
tedbear

These houses that Phil Twyford bought in Wanaka that didn’t sell – will they be added to the State House collection?
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December 5, 2018 9:19am
Keeping Stock

Another day, and another coalition promise is broken; this was September 2017:

When it comes to suicide, Jacinda Ardern doesn’t believe in setting a target “that’s anything other than zero”.

“Anything else suggests we have a tolerance for loss to suicide in New Zealand, and we shouldn’t have a tolerance for loss to suicide in New Zealand,” the Labour Party leader said at Parliament on Sunday.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96692936/labour-leader-jacinda-ardern-tells-families-of-those-lost-to-suicide-you-will-be-heard

The Prime Minister is learning that promises are easy to make during an election campaign, but more difficult to keep. Her much-heralded Mental Health review report was released yesterday, and she wasn’t anywhere to be seen.

Perhaps that’s because the report is suggesting a target of a 20% reduction in suicides by 2030 should be set; a long way short of zero, Ms Ardern.
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December 5, 2018 9:21am
- Philview
  
  There seem to be a few reports following on from this that NZ drinking culture is to blame. While I am happy for a frank discussion on drinking culture I do not believe it is the cause of the surge in mental health problems. It is probably better for a person’s mental health to be at the pub with mates than alone in a room on social media.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:36am
  - Longknives
    
    I watched the TV1 report on this Mental Health review absolutely aghast.
    I’m struggling to grasp how the solution to our suicide and mental illness rates is to demonise alcohol and yet legalise recreational drugs!
    Alcohol-bad
    Drugs-good
    (In loony lefty land)
    
    *The cynic in me thinks maybe this whole thing was a scam so Jacinda can whack another tax on booze… Surely not?
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:52am
    - sooty
      
      Maybe her and her family support drugs?
      Just reading between the lines!
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:53am
    - Harkman
      
      +10000 ? I had the same discussion with the woman at the post shop (as I bought a newspaper).
      
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      December 5, 2018 5:19pm
- Piniwi
  
  But KS many are enjoying the irony of this sad increase in mental health problems as well as such high suicide rates. The current situation was triggered by the last Labour Government who decided to close all the funny farms. Exacerbated by the increased generosity of kids for cash feral breading program funded by the taxpayers. The DPB is the start of the problem as well as the cause that has potential to cost a lot more when the unwanted child reaches the end of the benefit period. They join together with people with mental health issues also left to be cared for by the “community” which is really coming home to those ultimately responsible.
  It is truly sad that after so much effort, experience and skill in the provision of quality care so many of those older institutions had accumulated it was mostly lost as another unintended consequence. Now they are grasping at straws for anything to blame to avoid accepting the blame that lies squarely with them. Truth, honesty, integrity or respectability are so unfamiliar to Labour politicians. At least in opposition they had a certain skill by declaring a crises of some aspect often being the turning point of it actually being prevented. Awareness as well as observation are not so easy with their blinkered vision.
  
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  December 5, 2018 4:04pm
Manolo

USA’s Marama Davidson:
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/pro-bds-tlaib-plans-to-lead-congressional-delegation-to-west-bank/

Representative-elect Rashida Tlaib, the first Palestinian-American elected to Congress after running unopposed in the general election, has plans to lead a delegation to the West Bank to combat what she complains is too much of a pro-Israel slant in Washington.
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December 5, 2018 9:30am
- KeaRea
  
  Zero sympathy.
  
  Jews in the unired states are their foremost immigration advocates. Until they stop destroying ?? why should anyone give a damn if the ?’s they love so much who hate them obtain positions of power? Diversity is a weakness, and no one cares anymore if they reap what they sow. It drives me nuts how people can be such disingenuous imbeciles. Tikkun your own olam in your own country. No one is going to give a damn when the next 40 muslim Congressman end Israeli aid. Stop interfering with sovereign states’ demographics. They get zero sympathy. Zero. Zero.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:44am
  - stephieboy
    
    KeaRea, you would like to see the President kick out the Jews in his administration?
    
    https://www.geni.com/projects/Jews-in-the-Trump-Administration/41458
    
    Not forgetting Ivanka Trump!
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:48am
RW Capitalist

Teachers:
NZEI turn down govt. offer
The pay offer is OK but want their “workload” reduced.
Translation
They want more money for less work.
ie Turning teaching, into the best paid PART TIME job.
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December 5, 2018 9:39am
- kevn
  
  @RW… “it’s not about the money, it’s about the… kids” I heard them say.
  Yeah, right.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:44am
  - G152
    
    Computerise the entire schooling system.
    All you’d need at each school is a Tech and a couple of supervisors..
    Problem solved
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:06am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      or Charter schools
      Where teachers appear to actually want to
      T E A C H…..err work.
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:24am
- Longknives
  
  Perhaps the precious wee petals need more Holidays?
  Teachers need to go talk to Cops and Nurses who are working nightshift (and away from their families) at Christmas! and see the shit they put up with..
  That would be a shock to the system for those bone-carving wearing, Jacinda-loving dropkicks..
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:47am
- Tricati
  
  That’s how they improve ‘productivity’ – Its the socialist way
  
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  December 5, 2018 11:07am
- Paulus
  
  Easy for Teachers – get rid of those bloody children then we will be alright.
  
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  December 5, 2018 1:27pm
Tom Barker

Nigel Farage resigns from UKIP over the party’s domination by neo-fascist thugs like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
First time I’ve ever felt any respect for Farage.
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December 5, 2018 9:42am
- stephieboy
  
  I agree in respect of Farage. Good job!
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:51am
- KeaRea
  
  Lol more like he resigned because they’ve been retconned by Zionists kike Tommy. The UK needs a civil war. Plain and simple. I’ve posted so many times the whistle blowers about just how depraved the country is and how deep state run it is. No one cares about Rotherham, still. Or jimmy savile, still. You probably mean well. But you are wrong about everything and in the end I hope they all pray to Saint Brevik.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:53am
  - stephieboy
    
    “..I hope they all pray to Saint Brevik”
    
    Go and visit your Doctor.
    
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    December 5, 2018 9:59am
    - KeaRea
      
      You have to go back.
      
      Why are you even in New Zealand? Go home to where you belong. Yemen, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Somalia, Jordan etc all these wonderful countries where you can have the shade of Sharia you prefer. Yes pray to Saint Brevik the new William Tell. It’s a matter of time. You have to go back Stephie. The good muslims can stay though. Just you. You have to go.
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:04am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Please give exact quotes proving that Tommy Robinson is a ‘neo-fascist thug’. I don’t think you’ll find any.
  
  Criticising theocracy is not fascism.
  
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  December 5, 2018 9:54am
Classic Liberal

Did anyone hear anything on Red Radio this morning or Hosking about the UN’s Global Compact on Migration?
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December 5, 2018 9:45am
secondcumming

This from a recent post on ‘YOUR NZ’ by Peter George –

“I have seen claims of some sort of direct or indirect links between Ardern and Scroubek, but they remain unsubstantiated…………It is likely to be up to Ardern to address this herself”

Sounds like Mr George may perhaps be in receipt of information that requires a little sunlight ?
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December 5, 2018 9:52am
- Keeping Stock
  
  No, he’s just been reading Kiwiblog.
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:08am
  - secondcumming
    
    Poor bugger could probably do with a break from ‘Kitty’ every now and again 🙂
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Pete George has posted up some of the transcripts from Yesterday’s Question time
  
  https://yournz.org/2018/12/05/sroubeks-estranged-wife-afraid-for-her-life-questioning-of-lees-galloway-ardern-continue/
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:28am
KeaRea

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/419541-tim-cook-hateful-views-have-no-place-on-tech-platforms

Apple has banned Christianity from all it’s platforms.

I’ve smashed into pieces all my Apple products. Let that company die.

Free Speech was always simply a Fabian and cultural marxist ruse to undermine Christianity. The custodians of culture are dispensing with even the veneer of free speech upon feeling secure in their power. It’s time to being back blasphemy laws in the west.

The forces of evil are simply shedding the intellectual tools they used to undermine Christian morality and ethics.

I will never use Apple again. Ever. Pray to Saint Brevik. I hope that bastard Tim Cook dies of AIDS. Saint Brevik pray for us for the coming cleanse.
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December 5, 2018 10:00am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’m now convinced that you are only here to undermine this site. Don’t bother replying to me.
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:02am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Hell hath no fury like a bible basher scorned. Not a very Christian response IMO.
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:06am
  - KeaRea
    
    You aren’t on my level. That’s why you don’t reply to me. Be honest.
    
    I’m simply making a valid point. The logical end of these companies’ actions is equal and opposite. You simply don’t understand the real significance of what they are doing and why.
    
    William Tell was the Brevik of his own day and he is a national hero and a positive role model. After the governor made him shoot the apple off his son’s head he led a rebellion that killed the governor, his whole family, and all of his supporters, every single one, until there were none left. See, Classical, you have to actually read all the books to the end. William Tell is a national hero. He’s how the west used to be when it was still western.
    
    Why should any Christian sympathizer want Tim Cook to be well? He is an enemy of the good.
    
    Ultimately you and I are aligned on free speech and many things, but not all things. I don’t undermine this site in any way shape or form.
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:11am
    - MrTips
      
      I think it’s pretty clear you get your books/stories from Barnes & Unstable……
      
      Brevik is a mass murderer. Nothing else.
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:18am
      - KeaRea
        
        Exactly like William Tell.
        
        It is a purely rhetorical meme that makes a point.
        
        I promise you, by the time we are all on the threshold and the euthanists are grinning as their doctor who is immune from prosecution due to the good faith test in Wall v Livingstone and Russell McVeaghs’ deliberate construction of the impossibility of obtaining evidence is about to apply the injection, Brevik will be considered a national hero or at the least a sympathetic figure.
        
        I’m simply telling you what will happen.
        
        Just like mass murderer William Tell.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:35am
      - Jack5
        
        Hi, ❗Kea❗Rea ..
        
        But there’ll never be an Anders Breivik overture, unlike the famous and loved William Tell overture Rossini wrote for his William Tell opera.
        
        What a great story, under duress putting an arrow through the apple on your son’s head. The apple shot apparently pops up frequently in Germanic myths.
        
        Breivik was turned down when he tried to join the Norwegian Armed Forces, but he went on to become both a gun club member and a Freemason, and apparently made sufficient money in business to finance his firearms fantasy.
        
        A Nazi Mason? That’s a bit like a square circle. Hitler sent Masons to the camps.
        
        Breivik by association must have upset the little Norwegian town of Brevik, the legacy of the country’s great sailing-ship legacy.
        
        The anarchists who made famous “propaganda by deed” never attacked children, as Breivik did. He is an exceedingly low human being.
        
        The full version of the William Tell overture – enjoy:
        
        https://youtu.be/xoBE69wdSkQ
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:10am
      - KeaRea
        
        Why is it seemingly impossible for people to grasp that one doesn’t support Brevik, only the cessation of the circumstances that made him possible, and future equivalents inevitable?
        
        Just think of Brevik in that sense as the cliff towards which the wagon is careening.
        
        Otherwise the point remains. William Tell was not dissimilar. Yet there it is. What are the lessons of that?
        
        Grimms’ tales has similar stories.
        
        Here is a possible future William Tell:
        
        https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/news/6-year-old-boy-forced-to-live-as-a-girl-while-mom-threatens-dad-for-not-goi
        
        A 6 year old whose mother is forcing to become a girl and the father is banned from teaching him Christianity or stopping his genital mutilation or endocrine system burnt out.
        
        The father will be powerless. I hope that boy exercises his second amendment rights and finds everyone involved when he is all grown up into a lovely young woman thanks to his wonderful mother.
        
        Because you see, Christians are the evil oppressors. Look at them, trying to stop their kids being mutilated and pillaged.
        
        https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/oulussa-raiskattu-lapsi-hieman-yli-10-vuotias-suomalaistytto-epailtyja-tekoja-ja-tekijoita-useita/7189598
        
        Oh look. Google translate says 8 Iraqi men raped a 10 year old Finnish girl for 8 months straight on Finland.
        
        Yeah, there will never be another Brevik.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:39am
    - stephieboy
      
      KeaRea,
      
      “William Tell was the Brevik of his own day and he is a national hero and a positive role model.”??
      
      Your nuts!
      
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      December 5, 2018 11:18am
      - starboard
        
        What about his nuts?…*s/nigger *
        
        Dickhead
        
        LOL !
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:37am
- stephieboy
  
  Where does Tim Cook say he wants to ban Christianity?
  
  And what does the Prince of Peace got to do with your rabid anti Semitism?
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:03am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Filthy dirty little scrote.
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:06am
    - stephieboy
      
      P S Anders Brevik a good guy in your estimation?
      
      Why?
      
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      December 5, 2018 10:09am
      - MrTips
        
        Ahm, I dont think DVM thinks Brevik is a good guy. Your shitty childish barbs reek stephie. Might sue you for defecation of character.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:10am
      - kevn
        
        septic… Just get off the keyboard again. You’re all making fools of yourselves.
        In fact your mothers would be ashamed of the drivel you all write.
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:16am
      - stephieboy
        
        Mr Tips, the post was addressed to KeaRea!
        
        Davincimode was addressing to whom?
        
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        December 5, 2018 11:19am
      - thedavincimode
        
        You, you revolting little deviant. Dumber than a sack of hammers to boot.
        
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        December 5, 2018 3:16pm
DigNap15

Construction worker died recently.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12171225

Its sad when a guy dies whilst working.
He looks like he was a good guy.
Good skills that he ripped up the parking area!
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December 5, 2018 10:05am
- stephieboy
  
  “Pera Te Amo will be remembered by those who knew him as an “irreplaceable” member of the country’s construction industry.”
  
  A really good guy. Condolences to all his whanau!
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:08am
Fletch

This was in the Herald today (shock, yes, the Herald!)

Scientists acknowledge key errors in study of how fast the oceans are warming

Scientists behind a major study that claimed the Earth’s oceans are warming faster than previously thought now say their work contained inadvertent errors that made their conclusions seem more certain than they actually are.

Weeks after the high-profile study was published in the journal Nature, its authors have submitted corrections to the publication.

The Scripps Institution of Oceanography, home to several of the researchers involved, also noted the problems in the scientists’ work and corrected a news release on its website, which previously had asserted that the study detailed how the Earth’s oceans “have absorbed 60 per cent more heat than previously thought”.

“Unfortunately, we made mistakes here,” said Ralph Keeling, a climate scientist at Scripps, who was a co-author of the study.

MORE – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12171074

I am not at all surprised, of course….
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December 5, 2018 10:14am
- MrTips
  
  LOL. I work with folk like this. They are legion. It is the LAST thing they consider – the fact they might be wrong….. shock horror!!!!
  
  Twats
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:22am
- The Heat
  
  Stuff’s climatetwats would likely label that “denialist” …..
  
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  December 5, 2018 11:39am
KeaRea

Take this rant by Sarah Hoyt.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/peace-i-hate-the-very-word/

Yes the dems committed mass vote fraud. On a ludicrous brazen scale. But of course they did. That is par for the course in most non western countries. I read this and shrugged. Hoyt is a civic nationalist. It is her fault.

Of course the United States “will become like the other countries of the world.” How could it possibly fail to do so, now that it is mostly inhabited by people from those other countries?

At this point, due to the mass movement of peoples, civil war for control of the territory of the United States is not only not impossible, it is all but inevitable. There are three choices: subjugation, secession, and civil war. In the most likely scenario, we will see elements of all three, beginning with subjugation of the genuine Christian American nation, followed by secession, then what passes for civil war.

See the significance of Apples new ‘hate’ stance? That’s just early phase subjugation. It would be better if all of Apples directorate had a plane crash. Because these are all catalysts.

And the reason it will happen is because far too many people like Sarah Hoyt were permitted to not only become legal citizens, but were given a voice in government. Now the Fake Americans are more or less ruling over the people they invaded, and many people who came here because they wanted to live in an American society ruled by Americans don’t like the inevitable consequences of their own collective actions.

I will keep being told Im stupid and bad and silly by Classical Liberal until Im right about everything. Git gud my little friend. The iron times approach.
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December 5, 2018 10:22am
- stephieboy
  
  KeaRea,
  
  “Yes the dems committed mass vote fraud.” ??
  
  Garbage!
  
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  December 5, 2018 11:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Garbage”…
    
    still looking at that ardern selfie from last year are steffy?
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a girl
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:16pm
Longknives

Isn’t 2018 a fantastic time to be alive?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/bringing-home-the-bacon-offensive-to-vegans/news-story/8980653eddd9d27919024b6489c10f07?fbclid=IwAR0-pxe0FnVM0sOHQHxF90Tfk1GyrMOzLnvo1ovrUFYynuFXdzLeD2o2V1k

“Dr Hamzah, whose research interests include contemporary literature, women’s writing, gender and sexuality studies, equates meat to the “patriarchal mindset of the early 20th century”

“Meat is power, meat is for men,” she writes
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December 5, 2018 10:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s nuts
  she’s gone bananas
  cheese crackers
  nutty as a fruitcake
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Mad as a meat axe”…..
    
    You silly “sausage”
    
    I have a “beef” with you
    
    Stop carrying on like a “pork chop”
    
    Stop “ham – ing” it up
    
    Silly old “chook”
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:21pm
- itstricky
  
  Isn’t 2018 a fantastic time to be alive?
  
  Yep:
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/19/my-beef-with-jordan-petersons-all-cow-diet
  
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  December 5, 2018 11:41am
- KevOB
  
  Good. It’s also healthy for women too and some particularly rich in iron.
  
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  December 5, 2018 6:48pm
KeaRea

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/7893804/theresa-may-brexit-deal-house-of-commons-vote/

Oh look. Brexit isn’t going to happen. Boy these people seem really almost maniacally opposed to Brexit. Why? I wonder why? What do you think Classical? Why would all these Tories be so opposed to Brexit? Is it really just the price of bananas and the loss of Brussells’ sweet nurturing missives?

Enoch Powell was right. Britain hasn’t had a legitimate vote since Blair. Ireland hasn’t since Mary Robinson. They will not be able to vote into existence the popular will.
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December 5, 2018 10:29am
- stephieboy
  
  “They will not be able to vote into existence the popular will”
  
  Now, who would that be?
  
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  December 5, 2018 11:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    certainly not ardern because
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a girl
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:13pm
- Tom Barker
  
  The hard-right UKIP is planning a pro-Brexit mass march in the next few days. Will the sight of shaven-headed race warriors with their right arms outstretched reassure their fellow Britons that UKIP offers their country a promising future?
  
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  December 5, 2018 1:24pm
  - KeaRea
    
    I recently met a 6 5 German model and neuro scientist Oxbridge educated who participated in Chemnitz marches.
    
    Science and truth and reality are sweeping in like a gale Barker. Soon, you are going to lose all the handsome successful men, then the hot girls. Then its over. Oh there are plenty of Troglodytes. But evolution is picking up speed. Haven’t you heard?
    
    Yeah what are the optics on repudiation of rule by the people in the home of Magna Carta? They aren’t good Tom. All the soy and treacle in the world doesn’t make it good. Oh they might get Corbyn. And he will be like petrol on an open flame – he is admirable in some ways. But ecnomic lunacy never served yet.
    
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    December 5, 2018 2:02pm
- Paulus
  
  I am sure that if Brexit is turned down next week May will call a General Election and tell the Tory MPs – stuff you .
  Corbyn will take over in the UK and can ask his Communist colleague Ardern – now what d I do -form a Committee ?
  Many Tory MPs will be demolished for good.
  
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  December 5, 2018 1:33pm
Jack5

Is this an example of Leftist bias at Radio New Zealand?

In a report about Maggie Barry and her staff, the headline includes the words, “ex staffer speaks out.”

The report begins with an allegation that the former staffer at the centre of the row was asked by Maggie Barry to record her. Thus this is offered as the main point.

It is not until the 13th-or-so paragraph you read this:

“A different former staff member – who also asked to remain anonymous – agreed that employees were not asked to record meetings.”

A casual reader mightn’t get that far.

However, is there a little karma in this? National turned a blind eye on Radio NZ as it veered Left and ultimately was merged with the tribal radio network. They almost turned a blind eye to the Leftism of State radio and TV.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/377515/maggie-barry-bullying-claims-ex-staffer-speaks-out
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December 5, 2018 10:43am
KeaRea

http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/november-diary-nation-wreckers-in-hell-crispr-babies-hes-on-first-eugenics-vs-dysgenics-etc/

John Derbyshire is a courageous man who will be vindicated. There indeed needs to be a tenth circle in Dante’s hell for the Ted Kennedy’s and Heaths.

木已成舟 – the wood has been made into a boat.

“There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall somehow sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified”.

That’s Ted Heath, Jimmy Savile afficionado, lying to the Commons in 1973.

If he isn’t in the pedo section at the centre of the inferno he’s in the tenth circle.

And his US equivalent Ted Kennedy for whom exactly the same applies:

“First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same… Second the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset…”

That’s Ted in between women including the one he left to die in a sinkimg car lying abiut the 1965 Immigration Act.

I hope the two Teds are well met in either circle.

As Derbyshire said, to there be: “all the liars, fraudsters, and fools of Britain and the U.S.A. who, from either malice or stupidity, transformed settled, stable, well-governed nations that did not want or need transforming into Afro-Latino-Islamo-style corruptocracies.”

Civic nationalism is dead, Classical Liberal. As is Lolbertarianism. Time to grow up.

Because once the wood is in the boat there is only one way to fix the boat once it has begun to rot.

I know only one man whose views on this matter could be regarded as genuine and who conceived a workable model to render it possible. The best of men.

But he is singular. The rest – lyin Teds.

No, diversity is a weakness, not a strength. Diversity promotes oneism not multiplicity. Everything that was said was a lie. As I said, the semitic world view of neo babelism is coming to an end, one way or another. It’s proponents were largely evil, feckless fools and Dantes circle awaits.
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December 5, 2018 11:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @KeaRea
  
  You must be aware that the Westminster Pedophile Ring (incl. Ted Heath) accuser has been named and is to face numerous charges of perverting the course of Justice and 1 of Fraud.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46431818
  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/03/man-who-said-he-was-victim-of-vip-child-abuse-ring-is-named
  
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  December 5, 2018 11:30am
  - KeaRea
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pGDnG8kwyMA
    
    John Wedger whistleblower senior member of Metropolitan Police. Of course every accuser is destroyed. Theresa May ‘lost’ years worth of Royal Commission evidence into child abuse and most of the witnessesnhave disappeared. It is what it is. It’s really tiring. Trying to make people understand identity politics, culture, and institutional rot characterised by that particular phenomenon. Hint. There is more then one source on that disgusting gurgler Ted Heath and all his merry band of wacky party attendees with Savile. Why are people so credulous. Why are people so malleable. How do you think, exactly, Savile raped so many hundreds including corpses under security cameras and he recorded a knight hood and was never held accountable? Please read at least John Wedger.
    
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    December 5, 2018 12:53pm
secondcumming

My PA was really upset this morning.
She’d just heard from her doctor that her test results have come back HIV+

It’s always hard to act surprised……
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December 5, 2018 11:28am
starboard

Run from the Police, pay the price, bro.

You just killed 2-3 people, bro.

You should be locked up until you die, bro.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109098059/two-dead-in-christchurch-crash
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December 5, 2018 11:43am
- kevn
  
  @star… Was he the driver?
  
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  December 5, 2018 12:00pm
  - starboard
    
    Errr, no having read again, the driver died. My bad.
    
    Car load of fuckwits though, probably off their nut on P. Good riddance, feral rabble.
    
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    December 5, 2018 12:34pm
    - Longknives
      
      Wait for the loving Whanau to go to the sympathetic media with the usual ‘He was a really good boy’ and ‘Why didn’t Police just send him a ticket?’ garbage…
      
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      December 5, 2018 1:12pm
realityczech

Sickening and groveling article about a Maori guy doing a dance and saying what gender his baby is. (Note the woman drinking when pregnant in the photo)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12171458

Then below it a white person is described as a bogan for doing the same thing.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12171445
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December 5, 2018 12:22pm
- Longknives
  
  Both trashy.
  But I actually think the ‘one man haka’ is even more laughable…
  What a weirdo!
  
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  December 5, 2018 1:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    All staged with dad talking gibberish to the kid who has no idea what he is saying.
    
    A sad world we now inhabit.
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  It’s only bad to drink when you are a white woman.
  
  Maori have a special gene that lets them do drugs and get pissed without harming the foetus. That’s why there are no examples FASD in NZ maori.
  
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  December 5, 2018 4:08pm
RW Capitalist

From another blog
Paris Tax Revolts: The World Begins To Realize The Truth About Government.
‘As governments across the globe increasingly enslave the tax cattle, more and more are waking up to the violence and horrific atrocities committed in the name of government with funds stolen from innocent people.’
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December 5, 2018 12:28pm
- realityczech
  
  We need a revolution. The economic system is flawed. That affects people and the environment in negative ways.
  
  The choices are not communism or capitalism. That is a lack of imagination not a lack of choice. There are better ways surely.
  
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  December 5, 2018 12:34pm
  - KeaRea
    
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-04/nearly-two-thirds-non-citizen-households-america-are-welfare
    
    63% of non citizens in us are on welfare. 70% of those there for 10 years or more are on welfare. The longer the residence the higher the welfare use.
    
    One can see a pretty basic problem? Inputs aren’t matched by outputs. And the UN Migration Compact is designed to exacerbate and accelerate the imbalance. It almost becomes a matter for sedition. I would regard people who seek to bankrupt a nation as seditious.
    
    There is no need for a new paradigm questioning everything. Just what created everything in the first place. Greco Roman legacy, Christianity, European peoples residing in the West, sovereign, and assertive, and anyone wjo questions that is removed. No ifs buts or maybes. One can question but denigration and subversion equals a one way ticket. There is no post-Christian west. And everyone at least since Kant pretended there is no objective truth is wrong.
    
    The malaise is multi dimensional.
    
    Social investment I believe is the last and only viable model for diverse western societies where the wood is in the boat since universalism as equalitarianism cannot and will not ever work. SI is the only govt model which provides according to need without coercimg from each according to ability. Bill English was too smart for New Zealand’s academics. Far too smart for them. Unable to keep up they criticised what they can’t understand. Evidently however he is appreciated at the White House and the United Nations. Gee, how does someone get regard from polar opposite institutions at the same time? Ask NZs academics and media. BE was by far the smartest statesman in NZ. By far. I laugh my head off reading hia denigrators. Sasquatches and dilletantes and idiots. His model could save the ?.
    
    But I’m just a dumb dumb and crazy abd don’t know what im talking about. Too volatile right? Euthanasia is about choice. Love is love. Diversity is our strength.
    
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    December 5, 2018 1:22pm
    - KevOB
      
      Are you truly one of the interns?
      
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      December 5, 2018 6:54pm
Komata

reality

The ideal is a mix of diluted ‘Socialism’ (as opposed to ‘Communism’) as we have had until recently in New Zealand, with government and business / free enterprise (‘Capitalism’) co-exisiting. It has done so for some 80 years.

Unfortunately SLG and her ilk view ‘Capitalism’ (in the form of businesses, free enterprise) as evil and an obstacle to the creation of their ‘Communist’ utopia, so are intent on its destruction.

It’s worth remembering BTW that SLG et al regard the ‘Venezuealan’ situation as an ‘aberation’ and firmly believe that they can do better because that country’s dictator didn’t apply ‘pure’ (Utopian) Communism to his situation.

New Zealand has now become the ‘Guinea pig’ for an ideology!!

Although all other such ‘experiments’ have ended badly, hope springs eternal in such people and SLG is convinced she and her mates will ‘get it right’.

It could be an interesting experience for us, her unwilling ‘subjects’…
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December 5, 2018 12:56pm
- Longknives
  
  That’s why I don’t buy this ‘Global Warming’ lark.
  Because every time you see anyone talking about or discussing it it automatically turns into a rant against ‘Capitalism’ (And usually ‘Old White Men’ as well)
  What do Communists not pollute?
  China certainly seems to spill out a fair bit…
  
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  December 5, 2018 1:55pm
  - cmm
    
    All the pollution in Communist Countries is made by the Yankee Imperialist Capitalists.
    
    The pictures of smoke stacks in Commie countries is all done by the CIA with Photoshop.
    
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    December 5, 2018 3:16pm
  - fernglas
    
    Talk to a farmer. Most of them are capitalists, and a lot are white men. They will tell you the climate is changing, for the hotter.
    
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    December 5, 2018 3:29pm
- jcuk
  
  I have thought for quite a long time now that a meld of socialism and capitalism is the way to go assuming the world doesn’t crash.blow up as some think likely.
  
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  December 5, 2018 5:04pm
laworder

This may be of interest to all of you who commented on the thread on the United Nations Migration Compact the other day

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_82367/petition-of-carol-sakey-new-zealand-government-to-reject

Regards
Peter Jenkins
http://www.sst.org.nz
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December 5, 2018 1:38pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Thanks Peter, It looks like there will be a march at Aorea Square on Saturday combined with a free speech one.
  
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  December 5, 2018 2:11pm
- DigNap15
  
  I just signed it.
  
  But its going to need much more publicity and signatures.
  
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  December 5, 2018 2:21pm
  - laworder
    
    It does need a lot more of both, but it is early days yet, its only been open a day and it has 89 days to go.
    
    The March at Aotea Square on Saturday should also give it legs
    
    Regards
    Peter Jenkins
    http://www.sst.org.nz
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:11pm
KeaRea

I’ve said far too much today. But to round off. Right on cue, proving the point others have made, the Weekly Standard is going to die. And isn’t that sad. I just love reading about how the birchers were all racist inbreds and Obama was quite a good conservative and American was always a melting pot just like the American who never set foot there Israel Zangwill said in his play.

The weekly standard has been a conservative fixture. It’s demise is very significant.

“From Twitter:
BREAKING: Multiple sources tell me that neocon magazine @weeklystandard is expected to close its operations in a few weeks. It had lost many subscribers since the 2016 election as its #NeverTrumper editors @BillKristol @stephenfhayes @SykesCharlie publicly aligned with the Left.”

The right is dead. Long live the right.

That means commentary and the National Review are on death watch. But perhaps the Israeli monies will suffice. If an article falls in the wood though and no one reads it? What happens when you control both sides but neither is listening?

Anyway WS dying is simply apt and timely.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSfGBskfthg

24 secs of Dick Van Dyke

Winds in the East
Mist coming in
Like something is brewing
About to begin

Can’t put me finger
On what lies in store
But i feel what’s to happen
All happened before

Indeed.
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December 5, 2018 1:50pm
Chuck Bird

I noticed that the last Parliament had 121 MPs and this on has 120 MPs. I believe this because of both UN and ACT. Would anyone know if the New Conservative gained an electorate seat if there would again be 121 MPs which would advantage National?
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December 5, 2018 1:53pm
- pdm
  
  Maori party with 2 MP’s was the cause I think.
  
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  December 5, 2018 2:35pm
pdm

Mallard intercepts a difficult question fron Bridges to Ardern and kicks him out of the house. Followed by Brownlee who tried to intervene on Bridges behalf.

More evidence of the failure of our open and transparent government.
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December 5, 2018 2:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear, oh dear
  
  Most of the Nats have walked out
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/simon-bridges-gerry-brownlee-kicked-out-of-house.html
  
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  December 5, 2018 2:46pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    All the Nats walked out except those who had questions. And when each of them finished their questions they immediately walked out too.
    This has been brewing for a long time. Mallard is a disaster, and so is the PM that he’s protecting.
    
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    December 5, 2018 3:13pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      I think that’s the “reason”, the Nats have been accusing Mallard of protecting the SLG and he’d warned them… “ducking for cover” was the trigger. I think this has been pretty well played.
      
      Biased Speaker should lead the news tonight.
      
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      December 5, 2018 3:43pm
      - Wired-one
        
        It wont, the headlines will be National in disarray or some other anti Bridges bullshit. When are the media going to start putting Ardern and this government under the microscope?, it’s a disgrace!
        
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        December 5, 2018 3:56pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        But this is NZ so more likely:
        “Bridges is teh naughty”
        “Lazy Bridges wags parliament”
        “Bridges was mean to his mum once”
        “Cindy has nice hair”
        
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        December 5, 2018 3:57pm
      - slightlyrighty
        
        “Ducking for cover”. Did “Mallard” take that personally?
        
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        December 5, 2018 5:12pm
    - KevOB
      
      The Nats should reappear tomorrow with a notice of motion of no confidence in the Speaker. They may need to absent themselves further until the present Speaker is gone.
      
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      December 5, 2018 7:05pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Yes, but Winnie’s tried to say they didn’t all follow Simon Bridges in unison.
      
      Just like he tries to turn it into a negative (or he can’t fathom) that the vast bulk of National MPs have plenty job options outside of Parlt.
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:36pm
      - KevOB
        
        To take any notice of Winston is to see if he needs to be held up again.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:04pm
  - realityczech
    
    Mallard will love that. A one party parliament.
    
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    December 5, 2018 3:20pm
    - KevOB
      
      It will be the talk of the world press.
      
      This COL is close to ~~cracking~~ being stoned to death.
      
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      December 5, 2018 7:06pm
  - Longknives
    
    Bridges had Ardern absolutely on the ropes…Well done Simon!
    She was cracking terribly under pressure.
    ‘Reading between the lines’ I’d say we now know why she has been avoiding work..
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And to have your own Minister of Police stating that the cops shouldn’t have given up details of Mrs Sroubek’s whereabouts indicates the grand balls-up Jacinda has created.
      
      Police Minister Stuart Nash says police should not have shared information with Immigration NZ about the location of the police safe house where the estranged wife of Karel Sroubek is staying.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12171765
      
      Who ordered the investigation into the Immigration debacle, Prime Minister?
      
      Why didn’t the Min of Police know what was going on with his cops?
      
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      December 5, 2018 4:22pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Because he is a fuckwit. And he’s about the best Minster the CoL have got.
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:00pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Quick. Bring out little squirrel!
      
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      December 5, 2018 4:39pm
      - sooty
        
        We have just had Jethro!
        
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        December 5, 2018 4:49pm
- MrTips
  
  I can’t recall Labour or National doing this over the last 18 yrs, ie. the last two terms of alternate govts.
  
  Mallard gets made Speaker and it all turns to custard…..
  
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  December 5, 2018 2:59pm
- cmm
  
  Is Mallard the most bent speaker ever?
  
  He has form with getting involved in the debate, including throwing slurs around when National were pinning his ex-squeeze Curran to the wall.
  
  He Makes shit up about hearing “silly little girl” with his duff ear.
  
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  December 5, 2018 3:10pm
- Lizziep
  
  This is an absolute disgrace. What on earth is going on here? The COL have totally overstepped the mark when are people going to see them for what they are? Trevor Mallard is a joke.
  
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  December 5, 2018 3:16pm
- Lance
  
  So not only worst govt ever, but worst speaker ever?
  
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  December 5, 2018 3:57pm
  - Happychappy
    
    It takes a lot to beat Margret Wilson
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:00pm
    - Tricati
      
      And Mallard beats her hands down
      
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      December 5, 2018 4:38pm
Manolo

Hold on to your investment portfolios:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/04/stock-market-dow-futures-fall-amid-us-china-trade-deal-skepticism.html

Stocks fell sharply on Tuesday in the biggest decline since the October rout as investors worried about a bond-market phenomenon signaling a possible economic slowdown. Lingering worries around U.S.-China trade also added to jitters on Wall Street.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 799.36 points, or 3.1%, to close at 25,027.07 and posted its worst day since Oct. 10.
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December 5, 2018 2:58pm
- secondcumming
  
  It was a great day for shorts!!
  
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  December 5, 2018 3:13pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Not if you lost your pants.
    
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    December 5, 2018 6:00pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I don’t see what the problem is – my Govt has promised to improve my ‘well being’ (I’m not actually sure how to do that myself).
  
  They’ve even created a dashboard for it…
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:38pm
Happychappy

Any guesses to who is trying to make Simon Bridges look out of his depth again with poor poll results. Obviously their are MP’s in the National Party that are not happy with what he is polling and think they could do better so they should call a coup and hope they have the numbers as leaking details is just giving the coalition a way out of the troubles they are facing and taking the air out of Nationals progress.
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December 5, 2018 3:56pm
- MrTips
  
  Maybe the shortest long drop exponent, the man so short he’s lucky his feet touch the ground, the master of bile, the angriest short man in Wellington, …the one, the only…. MidgetPrick™ .
  
  Of course it could be anybody.
  
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  December 5, 2018 4:08pm
Longknives

If you want a hearty laugh head over to Labour’s FB page and check out the picture they are using of Jacinda for today’s propaganda piece!
My God- It’s the most laughable photoshop I’ve seen in ages.
Looks absolutely nothing like the dreadful woman…
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December 5, 2018 4:05pm
- Tall Man
  
  Christ, look at the video of ardern the liar with jimmy 2 mums… “Warning”..do not let small children see this..or orthodontists.
  
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  December 5, 2018 4:46pm
- sooty
  
  Use the same photoshop app as Helens did they?
  
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  December 5, 2018 4:46pm
rangitoto

The sooner the Taxadern tyranny is voted out the better.
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December 5, 2018 4:25pm
Johnboy

Isn’t surprising how we welcome to our shores all these folk of Asian origin and they feature so prominantly in these sort of headlines. I haven’t quite worked out why we don’t have a claw back clause in their residence approval.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109119136/auckland-vehicle-inspector-suspended-by-new-zealand-transport-agency
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December 5, 2018 4:26pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  Mr Ah Wong’s inspections
  
  There’s a pun there just waiting to come out into the light!
  
  managing partner Steve Haszard
  
  And another one!
  
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  December 5, 2018 4:32pm
  - stigie
    
    The other one was Mike Hunt !~
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:36pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      We had a kid at high school with that name. Caused quite a bit of bother for him…
      
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      December 5, 2018 4:54pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I don’t know about you mate but whenever I ask for prices for a contract as soon as I see an Asian name I toss them straight in the round filing cabinet!
    I reckon it’s saved me a shitload of grief since our fuckwit governments of either blue or red said they were OK as immigrants. The sad part is it impacts on the Asian folk that were born and bred here. Still none of our so-called governments for the last 30 years have had a fuckin clue and this bunch of Winston puppets aint no bloody different! 🙂
    
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    December 5, 2018 4:41pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mike Litoris is a California homeowner who was interviewed about a fire in his neighborhood. Jury’s still out on whether Mike punked the reporter, or if that’s really his name.
      
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      December 5, 2018 4:44pm
Nostradamus

That reminds me, Stigie. Have you seen Ben Dover lately? Last seen in prison cell 34 with a cake of soap, I believe?
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December 5, 2018 4:39pm
- stigie
  
  They’ve moved on Nostra, Steve Hazhard introduced him to the new soap in the pump bottle with outstanding features for all purposes !~
  
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  December 5, 2018 4:46pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    the pump bottle with outstanding features
    
    Have they road-tested it on Alf? (The wheels on the bus go round and round…)
    
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    December 5, 2018 5:27pm
secondcumming

Some great news for insomniacs!

Only 4 sleeps till Christmas.
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December 5, 2018 4:42pm
All_on_Red

Interesting analysis of Voting patterns in California
Six GOP candidates in the lead lost after last day voting added but the numbers look mathematically impossible
‘Orange County, a conservative area just south of Los Angeles, California turned all blue after Democrats produced hundreds of thousands of votes weeks after election day using a practice known as “ballot harvesting.”
The amount of mail-in ballots counted in Orange County were unprecedented – a whopping 250,000 ballots were produced in OC as a result of the new “ballot harvesting” law.

Votes compared to Voter Registration look odd too

‘October 22nd totals for voter registration there show 541,665 (R) and 523,624 (D) yet totals from Election Day for D’s surpass that by 40k votes so we’re to believe there was 100%+ turnout of registered Dems?’
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/orange-county-releases-official-vote-count-and-the-numbers-dont-add-up-one-precinct-has-120-turnout/
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December 5, 2018 4:51pm
stigie

Does anyone know what Big Gerry said to be tossed out by the bias speaker..?
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December 5, 2018 5:02pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  Read this article:
  
  Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway said it looked like the Opposition “wanted an early holiday – they couldn’t handle the heat”.
  
  Where’s a photo of this piece of shit hiding behind a pillar to avoid journalists?
  
  [Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway] tried to avoid reporters on the way into House on Wednesday by hiding behind a pillar for several minutes before telling them he was late to Question Time and would not talk to them till after.
  
  Surely one of the journalists who was there would be willing to publish a photo of this snivelling twit trying to play hide-and-seek?
  
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  December 5, 2018 5:07pm
  - Longknives
    
    What a piece of fucking shit Lees Galloway is!
    I tell you something ILG- Someone’s head is gonna roll over this Pal and it ain’t going to be anyone from National…
    ILG is a Dead Man Walking.
    
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    December 5, 2018 5:37pm
    - Longknives
      
      Oh and I see Greg O’Connor is spouting off as well!
      If you look up ‘Dead Man Walking’ in the dictionary there is a picture of that idiot…(Spouting off against his boss isn’t real bright)
      And no way in hell Police are going to have him back…(They fucking HATE the guy)
      
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      December 5, 2018 5:40pm
      - sooty
        
        Get out before he was pushed, you reckon!
        
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        December 5, 2018 6:28pm
- Muttonbird
  
  He said, “struck a raw nerve”.
  
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  December 5, 2018 5:35pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Why won’t Ardern answer the questions?
    
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    December 5, 2018 6:15pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      5th amendment!
      
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      December 5, 2018 6:45pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I think your raw nerve has been struck frequently lately (along with Marquess).
    
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    December 5, 2018 8:32pm
softail 1450

FFS ,How can a moronic creature like Jan Logie be in parliament setting law for the people of this country?
This woman ???? actually surpasses Arderne when it comes to being animated,throwing her arms, head and shoulders around like a fricking Italian ice cream salesman,shes another lunatic that is whacking on the fat quicker than Paula Bennet is taking it off .
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December 5, 2018 5:10pm
DigNap15

Yes the number of over weight useless female MPs in the COL is astounding.
I think that just about every female National MP, looks like a normal woman, and dresses well.
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December 5, 2018 5:35pm
- stigie
  
  I must say some of the Labour females look somewhat prettier now (can’t believe i said that) than they did when in opposition..?
  Some of them were just down right hags !~
  
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  December 5, 2018 5:43pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    Pretty enough to tempt you to cross the floor to the dark side, old chap?
    
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    December 5, 2018 5:47pm
  - nasska
    
    …..” the Labour females look somewhat prettier now “…..
    
    You must have spent winter alone up a burnt gully! 🙂
    
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    December 5, 2018 6:07pm
    - Longknives
      
      “I must say some of the Labour females look somewhat prettier now”
      
      Jesus Wept!
      If me, Nasska and those dreadful Labour women (Think Gnashers Ardern, Mahuta and Dyson etc) were ‘spending Winter ‘ together I actually think I’d be snuggling up to Nasska!
      
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      December 5, 2018 6:19pm
      - nasska
        
        Oh shit! 🙂
        
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        December 5, 2018 6:21pm
      - stigie
        
        Nasska and Longknives, bugger me, thats another story !~
        
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        December 5, 2018 6:29pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Longknives:
        
        I actually think I’d be snuggling up to Nasska!
        
        I think Megan might be more effective as a blanket in winter?
        
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        December 5, 2018 6:33pm
      - Longknives
        
        Woods would maybe come in handy if our plane crashed in the Andes!
        
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        December 5, 2018 6:50pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Should have gone to Specsavers
    
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    December 5, 2018 6:21pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Which ones are you talking about?
    You may need to go to Spec Savers!
    
    Golriz could have me for a night!
    
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    December 5, 2018 10:35pm
septic skeptic

Maybe it’s a bit of fear for his job, but Simon is defi itely perform g better now.
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December 5, 2018 5:41pm
- Longknives
  
  Kudos Simon Bridges.
  He owned Jacinda ‘I can’t answer that’ Ardern today..
  
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  December 5, 2018 5:45pm
  - sooty
    
    What’s the bet Comrade will not be in parliament tomorrow!
    Kindy somewhere here she comes.
    Comrade do your job. It’s what you are paid for!
    
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    December 5, 2018 6:24pm
    - Longknives
      
      Ha Ha we won’t see her again for a while.
      She was crumbling!
      Bridges was completely dismantling her…
      
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      December 5, 2018 6:47pm
      - stigie
        
        I can’t comment Longknives because it’s an operational matter !~
        
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        December 5, 2018 6:54pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Yes and he did it in a very cool calm collected way.
        Must have been his lawyers training.
        
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        December 5, 2018 10:33pm
    - Wired-one
      
      I know for a fact she wont be there, she will be at Alliance Lorneville in Invercargill opening a venison meat works.
      
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      December 5, 2018 7:51pm
  - alloytoo
    
    The PM claims she couldn’t answer some of Simons’ questions because she lacked intimate knowledge of the case. How then could she invite us to “Read between the lines?”
    
    If she had no knowledge of the file, then her invitation to “Read between the lines.” Appears to be an attempt to deliberately mislead Parliament and the nation.
    
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    December 5, 2018 7:06pm
MrTips

Geez, the way the left mongs on Twitter are piling into Bridges – he petrifies them!

And a bit more thought: who has experience in deceptive practices, abusing Parliamentary privilege, walking/getting kicked out of the house, having supporters breach electoral law to buy him votes, cover up donations, claim benefits not entitled to and flout electoral financial law?? So organising multiple hit jobs to run interference is no problem at all.

Perhaps the same guy or team that is below the MMP threshold……..
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December 5, 2018 6:12pm
Nostradamus

Tax reforms focus on fairness

Revenue Minister Stuart Nash has introduced the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2019-20, GST Offshore Supplier Registration, and Remedial Matters) Bill.
…
“The legislation also recognises the growing use of te reo Māori as an everyday language, including by many businesses. Inland Revenue has allowed taxpayers to keep records in te reo Māori for more than 20 years but this has never been enshrined as standard practice through legislation. The right to use te reo Māori should be officially recognised in the law, rather than at the discretion of a Government department.

Hopefully “records in te reo Māori” doesn’t become a euphemism for “creative accounting”. Will a gift to Aunty Tariana be labelled as “koha”?
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December 5, 2018 6:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like some of that Whanau Ora koha doesn’t trickle down to the whanau
  
  Ms Hayes revealed one of the commissioning agencies spent $600,000 worth of surplus on its shareholders, rather than re-investing the money into working with and supporting whānau.
  
  “Are you telling me that this ministry does not require any of its contracted providers to re-invest any of its surplus back into Whānau Ora? That what ever is leftover they can do what they want and there’s no obligation to re-invest into whānau?” she asked.
  
  Ms Hippolite agreed spending surplus money on shareholders was not ideal, and said the ministry would look into where and why the money was spent.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/377569/major-financial-concerns-raised-for-te-puni-kokiri
  
  ~~Thanks …says John Tamihere~~
  
  Na…. he didn’t front up to the TV reporter
  
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  December 5, 2018 6:49pm
- KevOB
  
  I would like to see a redrafted Income Tax Act (all parts) in Te Reo. It would be hilarious and another 15cm thicker.
  
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  December 5, 2018 7:17pm
starboard

The scumbag who sped away from Police in chc, crashed and died was a known criminal. His family have set up a give a little page to pay for the losers funeral. Murri, of course. Toe rag.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109098059/two-dead-in-christchurch-crash
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December 5, 2018 6:32pm
- Longknives
  
  “Tunnicliffe, then 18, and an associate took nine vehicles, almost all Subarus, over six days in 2012, attempted to take another and unlawfully interfered with another car.
  Tunnicliffe admitted all the charges as well as a breach of bail. He had previous convictions for receiving, theft, burglary, possession of a firearm and being an unlicensed driver.”
  
  Surely his ‘Whanau’ could sell off some of those cars he nicked to pay for the funeral??
  I can’t see the General Public being too sympathetic….
  
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  December 5, 2018 6:47pm
  - starboard
    
    “Colonisation done it to me bro, I had to steal dose soo bar roo’s, ‘dem white fullas fault, wah fucking wah wah “
    
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    December 5, 2018 7:17pm
nasska

One night when I was a little boy I stayed up late to catch Santa Claus. Imagine my surprise when he actually came down the chimney !

I had a bunch of questions for him though… Can I see your reindeer, why are you brown & where are you going with all our presents ?
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December 5, 2018 7:04pm
- Johnboy
  
  Did you ask him how long he’d known your mum and why he only popped down the chimney when your dad was away? 🙂
  
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  December 5, 2018 7:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Nasska should check out his whakapapa.
    He might have some well-connected whanau.
    
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    December 5, 2018 7:55pm
  - nasska
    
    Ten minutes with my dear ol’ Mum & you’d have known why Dad spent weekends at the pub & we kids spent the school holidays in the bush running possum lines. 🙂
    
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    December 5, 2018 7:58pm
    - Johnboy
      
      So what you are saying is that uncle santa could have popped down or up the lum anytime he liked and it was just bad luck you caught him at it! Fu bro! 🙂
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:01pm
    - stigie
      
      Can’t wait for the book to come out Nasska, i hope you wouldn’t let us fellas down on Kiwiblog like Dad did the bastard..?
      
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      December 5, 2018 8:04pm
      - Johnboy
        
        We’d all be shattered to find out that nasska’s dad was really a reggae freak from Shanghai! 🙂
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:16pm
      - nasska
        
        So would I! 🙂
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:19pm
      - Johnboy
        
        As they say nasska you know who your mum is but as for your dad???? 🙂
        
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        December 5, 2018 8:21pm
Ross12

So the Government has launched a $100 mill Green Fund.
I wonder how long that will last and how much is wasted?
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December 5, 2018 8:05pm
- rangitoto
  
  Perhaps I could lend J2M a dunny to pour the $100 mill down. At least that would save time.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:11pm
- Rich Prick
  
  My guess is that $100m will wasted.
  
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  December 5, 2018 8:27pm
Rodney Randall

SLG will sign this Compact. Contemptuous behaviour from this PM hiding the govt’s intentions until a few days out from ratification.

When she yelled “Fake news,” repeatedly in the house today, during question 4 in response to Todd Mclay’s questions to Winston, Jacinda acted like a petulant child. I got a chilling glimpse of a brainwashed UN automaton that will stop at nothing to serve her Globalist overlords.

The PM is a sellout.

Winston will consign NZFirst to political oblivion.

Jacinda and Winston are completely duplicitous.

TRAITORS!

Rightminds marches planned for Aotea Sq.
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December 5, 2018 9:01pm
- KevOB
  
  She is breaking. Any Sroubek corruption proof would finish her off.
  
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  December 5, 2018 10:07pm
sooty

Comrade Cindy finds out what the COL is doing while feeding the squrriel and watching the TV!
She is not amused! OH DEAR! Maybe if she turned up to work everyday and did a full days work, she might know what’s happening!!!
Disgusting, corrupt, bitch!
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