General Debate 22 December 2018

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duggledog

I got around to reading Rodney Hide’s excellent piece on Sir Michael Cullen and his beloved CGT after the usual round of Christmas engagements. Great comments too.

As the country will decide the future of Labour et al in 2020 partly over this issue, what it all comes down to is the risk. Which is the bigger voting bloc?

1: Those at the bottom of the heap who have no doubt they will never accrue any wealth in their lifetime that could be affected by the rapacious Cullen

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2: Those that do have wealth – or more importantly aspire to have it – or may have it coming to them.

I believe it’s (2) by a country mile. As always, Labour doesn’t know how ordinary NZers think.

By and large, Kiwis are not spiteful and vindictive like Cullen, and hope to be prosperous one day. That’s partly why they buy Lotto tickets. It’s also why ‘Ambitious for NZ’ worked.

Cullen’s problems with presenting his new Tax to the public – even via bullshitter in chief Jacinda are manifold and extremely risky. All National has to do is cast doubts like ‘could it affect Kiwisaver?’ or ‘in time could it affect the family home?’ and Kiwis will run a mile.

Bridges’ job – as a politician – running up to 2020 is not just to translate Hide’s analysis for Kiwis, it is to remind them to never trust politicians.
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December 22, 2018 8:03am
- harvey wilson
  
  Cullen is the epitome of the sort of person who picked up left wing politics as a way of projecting their own understandable self loathing outwards towards others and hides behind the shield of sanctimony that surrounds the left .
  
  See also Muttonbird, Morrisey and pretty much everyone posting in the standard comments.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:07am
  - Jules99
    
    Gareth Morgan is another one.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      Not sure I agree. I’ve never met him but I know a few that have through the motorcycling fraternity.
      
      He may not be the easiest guy to deal with but he is definitely not an envious man and he has the unfortunately ability in that he speaks his mind but at least he has a mind, unlike our vacuous prime minister.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:07am
      - tf78
        
        I have just ventured “to the other side” (Whaleoil – yeah I know) and watched a video clip of Elliot Ikelei on Winston’s announcement about signing the UN Compact. What an articulate and rightfully angry, future, wonderful politician. He’s got the goods, I’ve been watching and listening to him for a while and he has the passion for New Zealand which has been long forgotten about. Hold your nose and take a look, in this climate it is very heartening to see someone who loves New Zealand as much as Donald Trump loves America. God bless them both, we need more of them.
        
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        December 22, 2018 8:11pm
  - Jack5
    
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    Hide’s piece, in which he tried to prove that capital gains tax is double taxation, was an unconvincing dive into the ethereal world of price theory.
    
    Duggledog suggests part of Bridges’s job is to translate Hide’s analysis for Kiwis. Hell, have Scientologists taken over ACT and converted Hide? What a turn-off Hide’s price theory would be for voters.
    
    Duggledog also suggests Bridge needs to remind voters never to trust politicians. What was Duggledog thinking of? Perks?
    
    If you want to read something really significant economically, have a read of Michael Reddell’s excellent article on New Zealand’s poor performance in productivity:
    
    https://croakingcassandra.com/
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:21am
    - realityczech
      
      Jacksie, of course our productivity is poor. We squander all our money (debt actually) on non productive housing. It is absurd.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:25am
      - Jack5
        
        All points in favour of a capital gains tax depend on the total tax take remaining the same (it’s dreaming to hope it would fall). That is, income tax and company tax being lowered to balance a broader capital gains tax (NZ already has a faint one).
        
        Who then stands to lose the most from a proper capital gains tax? Property developers obviously, but also the retirement village industry, where sale of “rights to occupy” create a huge pool of interest-free capital ultimately to play the property market.
        
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        December 22, 2018 9:42am
      - kevn
        
        @RC… Do you live in a tent?
        
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        December 22, 2018 10:20am
      - Jack5
        
        Who else would lose from a capital gains tax (assuming total tax take is adjusted to stay the same)?
        
        Probably the two rich Maori tribes, Ngai Tahu and Waikato, who are exempt from company tax because they are registered as charities. Similarly, the Seventh Day Adventists’ Sanitarium, the food manufacturer. In fact CGT would be a great chance to bring into the net some of the activist “charities” that are really political organisations.
        
        You can see who, apartment from the retirement village industry and property developers, are pulling National’s strings on capital gains tax.
        
        As for ❗Kea❗Realityczech’s and Kevn’s point about housing. All suggestions I have read are that any capital gains tax in NZ would exempt owner-occupied housing.
        
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        December 22, 2018 10:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry sunshine but I have parlayed my investment into multiple millions.
        
        I pay my taxes and do not see why I should pay again.
        
        Perhaps you can elucidate.
        
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        December 22, 2018 10:49pm
    - Jack5
      
      Looks like my post at 9.21 is to be censored off the thread by ACT fanatics.
      
      If it is, still please don’t miss looking at Michael Reddell’s excellent article on productivity (now second item at the site) here – it’s gold compared with Hide’s price-theory dross:
      
      https://croakingcassandra.com/
      
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      December 22, 2018 2:49pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Make money where you can..
        
        That’s it
        
        Nothing more, nothing less.
        
        nite nite
        
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        December 22, 2018 10:51pm
- stephieboy
  
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  duggledog, you an ” ordinary” New Zealander?
  
  Extraordinary!
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:27am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Wow! An utterly banal comment from Stefaknee. Didn’t see that coming.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:33am
  - Rich Prick
    
    You really must work on your punctuation. The “ must go hard up against the word you’re applying it to. C-.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:41am
    - Monique Watson
      
      🙂
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:40am
    - kevn
      
      @RP… He/they have improved punctuation and grammar from the old St Lukes days.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Thanks everyone, I am a bit late today but I see you have already consigned the stupid steffy girl to ignominy.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:10am
    - Woz
      
      Yeah, he’s still a girl. And Ardern is still a liar.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:34am
      - Tall Man
        
        Cheers for that 🙂
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:05am
- VicParking
  
  How long before CGT will be extended to Cover Lotto. “Pay for $14 Million this Saturday and donate $4 Million to Jones slush fund.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:36am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Followed by a spin the wheel. You could either give $2 million of your winnings to the UN or $1 million buys smokes for a year for 100 families living in poverdy
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:41am
    - igm
      
      Take a look what the increase in benefits to stop poverdy have achieved:
      More arrests for drunken and drug fuelled assaults, more infant assaults, more refuges overflowing . . . this maggot is fucking NZ good and proper and we can thank a drunken dwarf and a few imbeciles for it.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:01am
      - DigNap15
        
        And 50% more food parcels given out by the Auckland Cidy Mission this year over last.
        Thanks Ardern
        Get them working
        
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        December 22, 2018 12:30pm
      - GoVege
        
        It doesn’t hurt to pay the poor a bit more.
        I had a neighbour once who’s husband blew all their benny money at the snookerhall so she couldn’t afford the pill and got pregnant once again to the violent loser.
        
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        December 22, 2018 4:17pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yawn. Sounds like the guy was looking to escape his abusive wife.
        
        Bad that he went and played pool and blowed the money, he should have stayed home and put his missus in her place. Firmly.
        
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        December 22, 2018 4:29pm
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    They might also extend it to racehorses. Oh no wait a minute its tax breaks for those votes
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:08am
    - sooty
      
      Only because Whinney likes his baubles!
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:44am
    - Paulus
      
      Only good looking racehorses – not your farm nag !
      
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      December 22, 2018 1:28pm
- Scott
  
  Good post duggledog. I would say that Simon Bridge’s job is to present an alternative vision. That mum and dad and the kids is important. That families can get ahead with applying themselves and getting a good education and working hard and behaving reasonably responsibly with concern for your fellow man.
  
  That the government’s job is to defend the nation and enforce the law and not to be everyone’s parent or big brother. That the government will get out of the way and not tell law abiding citizens how to run their lives.
  
  And most of all the government will not crush entrepreneurs and people who want to grow and get ahead, with high taxation and burdensome regulations. That the government will stick to its core functions and leave the law abiding citizen the hell alone. That we will have freedom in this country and not the smothering hand of the nanny state.
  
  That’s a vision we could get behind!
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:38am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The family home will be caught. Cullen has hinted at this. The way it will work is when Mum and Dad die a Deemed Sale will apply to the home and tax levied at the appropriate rate.
  
  So if a joint family home the beneficiaries (the kids) will have to pay their share at their marginal tax rate.
  
  If in a Trust then the tax will be 33%. If in a company 28%.
  
  If the beneficiaries or the investment vehicle don’t have the cash tough they will have to sell the home to pay it.
  
  V Day set at 1 April 2021 will determine the opening value based on the RV struck at 1 July 2020 the next rateable value date.
  
  There is $800 Billion tied up in family homes (check Stats) so any Government is going to want to get a share of it over the next couple of decades as the Baby Boomers pop their clogs.
  
  It will have the effect of transferring wealth like nothing we have seen in history as Socialist Governments will be able to lock in more and more voters with the promise of more and more freebies.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:24am
  - fernglas
    
    If the family home is excluded, it poses real problems. Money will go into those, bringing up house prices at the expense of other investments. Kiwisaver will be subject to CGT, so nobody will like that, and people are likely to pressure fro Kiwisaver to be excluded. Smart invetment funds have set up Kiwisaver so they can switch invetments over at the first sign of a CGT, so yet again there will be wholesale avoidance. It will be mainly borne by the poor bastards who have worked to build up businesses and whose capital assets will be assessed, as will GOODWILL. Goodwill is worthless in most businesses unless crystallised by a sale, so this whole thing is going to be a complete buggers’ muddle.
    
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    December 22, 2018 1:00pm
    - Paulus
      
      But don’t forget the quiet words
      “Unrealised Capital Gain” which will be imposed on all property even if no gain is made – applies annually via the local Council even if the property has dropped in value.
      
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      December 22, 2018 1:31pm
- Huevon
  
  Quite right. I’m at the age where we’ve finally started building up some assets, after working our arses off. If that lying horse toothed bitch wants to bring in CGT, there will be hell to pay.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:59am
  - igm
    
    Heuvon: The types this horse-toothed maggot is appeasing see CGT as a way of penalising those with something to feed the useless bastards they are building homes for. This country is really stuffed currently.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:24am
  - madamezucchininz
    
    ….I am in the same boat…..worked my arse off for most of my life…..done the right stuff and only now am getting a little bit ahead…..with a bit of breathing space…..it would be political suicide to bring CGT……..I am frightened by the very thought as I am one of the “middling” that it will have the worst effect on……especially this “Unrealized Capital Gain” on all property….Michael Cullen and his hatred of all NZer’s needs to be taken to a “grassy knoll”…..
    
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    December 22, 2018 3:42pm
    - sam green
      
      Think Ryman Health (for one) and then think CGT again.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Talk to your accountant and lawyer. TRUST me there may be a solution to a COMPANY issue.
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:59pm
  - Jack5
    
    Huevon, I don’t think there’s been any suggestion of re-introducing death duties, a.k.a. as death duties. (They are a form of capital gains tax.)
    
    This was suggested a decade or two ago by one of the country’s leading accountants as the most efficient and effective tax system of all – from the State’s point of view. Death duties are cheap to collect, hard to dispute, and a once-only tax. The guy suggested you would then be able to reduce income tax to an extremely low level.
    
    Despite all the angst expressed in the thread today, what really counts is the total tax take – the sum of all taxes raised.
    
    Capital gains tax are applied in nearly every developed country (including Australia, the United States, Japan, China. If income tax rates were lowered to balance a capital gains tax, what’s the problem?
    
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    December 22, 2018 11:17pm
- Southern Raider
  
  All of this comes down to two types of people and which way they will vote
  
  1) those who for whatever reason have and will never have any work ethic, no concept of self sufficiency or aspiration to be better
  
  2) those who their castle is their kingdom, their family their main focus and work and save their arses off to make themselves, their children and their grandchildren better than how they entered the world
  
  I for one grew up in a very working class family and the generation before was working poor. My own children will grow up as upper middle class. None of this generation change was through winning lotto, transfers of wealth or handouts. Just fucken hard work and not wasting money on shit
  
  Fuck you Cullen and your like
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:21am
- Wired-one
  
  I agree with you, but you are forgetting that the left will get a large turnout in the next election, simply due to the cannabis referendum. Not only that, but i’m sure they will be promising more handouts of some nature. National and voters on the right, are up against it. Very few governments get tossed out after one term.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:43pm
  - madamezucchininz
    
    ….I am living in hope that this rabble are only a one term government…..and with even more wishful thinking……that going by NZ First’s face book page and comments over the UN Compact….their paid up members will leave the party in droves….the Electoral People will come in and wind them up due to insufficient members to be a Party….and bring on an early election….Mrs Ed and her cronies have made a huge mess of their first year (not that you would know via reading the MSM)…..so imagine what is to come in 2019…..
    
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    December 22, 2018 3:48pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So our government will be selected by the bottom feeders of our country..unless we intervene.
    
    How do we intervene, motivate your friends and family to turn out. I don’t think you need to push one option or another just trust that your friends and family have a working brain.
    
    Smoke free by 2025, how do you reconcile the two? Even dope heads aren’t retarded..well maybe a little.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:13pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Never to trust politicians, bridge is one, why would he remind the people not to trust him. No just present facts and figures in easy language. Graphs are good.
  
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  December 22, 2018 3:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Merry Christmas..
    
    Normally I’d try to re educate you but you’re too late for nice..
    
    So..fuck off
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:15pm
fernglas

All the best for Xmas
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December 22, 2018 8:03am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The same to you, and to all other Kiwibloggers. Stay safe on the roads as the populus heads off on holiday, avoid the shops until at least the 28th, and whatever Christmas means to you, take time to reflect on it.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:08am
- Paulus
  
  I was always taught very many years ago that its was the celebration of “Christ’s mass” nothing to do with anything X’mass rated.
  I hate seeing the word Xmas – just a sales gimmick.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I hate ardern the liar, we both need to move on… 🙂
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:17pm
artemisia

Mailout from NZFirst, posted elsewhere on the interweb. Not clear if it went to members only or a wider mailing list, but looks like panic stations. Circle the wagons. Quick.

Dear,

Merry Christmas

During the Xmas break some of our political adversaries who promoted record immigration before the Government change in 2017 will be telling everybody that they’re going to ‘overturn’ the UN Migration Compact and make various inflammatory claims that the “compact” is going to permit mass migration into New Zealand.

It does not, and already immigration has fallen significantly and will go on falling.

New Zealand First has very clearly stated immigration policies and if you read the documentation below you will see that the UN Migration Compact has absolutely no legal effect in New Zealand and most importantly makes absolutely no change to New Zealand Firsts principled approach to immigration into this country.

This has become an emotional debate based on certain political interests publishing a misconceived version of the Compact and its impact on New Zealand.

New Zealand First urges you to read the press release below and the legal opinion from Crown Law which is attached.

Have a good Christmas and a Happy New Year, we look forward to another year of informed and robust debate as we continue to work inside the Coalition Government achieving a better life for all New Zealanders.

Best Wishes

New Zealand First
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December 22, 2018 8:04am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Which begs the question, why sign the damn thing?
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:07am
  - Justitia
    
    Yes, well we’ve been through all this. The Compact will be given effect in New Zealand through the Courts. It will be referenced in cases dealing with immigration matters because the New Zealand Government has expressed formally its support for the Compact by its vote in the United Nations General Assembly. It is likely the restrictions on free speech and expression set out in the Compact will also be taken up by the Human Rights Commission, the Ministry of Justice and the Police in framing new “hate speech” legislation. The mailout is disingenuous.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:33am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Yes, Winston just forgot a word:
      
      “the UN Migration Compact has absolutely no legal effect in New Zealand YET”.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:50am
      - sooty
        
        I down ticked the NZLast mail out howc an you all up tick it.
        
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        December 22, 2018 10:49am
      - Nickc2
        
        Don’t believe a word this man says. He has a proven record of lying.
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:17am
- Simon
  
  A political party called New Zealand First signs the UN Migration Compact.
  
  Can’t make this shit up.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:08am
- Biscuit
  
  Artemesia, ‘New Zealand Firsts principled approach’ is as good as and as reliable as New Zealand First’s grammar, ha.
  
  Winston must have wagged school the day his form got taught about apostrophes…
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:16am
  - Paulus
    
    But he is a Lawyer !
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:21am
    - Biscuit
      
      Paulus, I just bet you Winston knows exactly which of his whiskeys – Seagram’s, Jack Daniel’s etc. – need apostrophes!
      
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      December 22, 2018 8:24am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        He got absolutely arseholed (not that he needed any help) at a relative’s wedding. Had to be carried out by his brothers into a cab after spewing on the bar!
        He couldnt speak which was an improvement
        
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        December 22, 2018 8:30am
      - sooty
        
        Someone should have shit in his pants!
        That would have given him something to worry about!
        
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        December 22, 2018 10:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      A LAWYER? Sez it all really.
      
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      December 22, 2018 11:19am
  - Inandout
    
    Humble C: I suspect that Winnies cocktail of medication he is on didn’t react well with alcohol.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:47am
    - lifesgood
      
      Humble C – that’s disgusting, from anyone but especially from A Dep PM.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:08am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        He was demonstrably not well that evening
        
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        December 22, 2018 9:21am
  - MH
    
    winston is a thirst past the post-trophy
    
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    December 22, 2018 4:57pm
- Justitia
  
  So what might Comrade Santa grant Winston for being ‘nice’ this year and for instance supporting the UN Migration Compact, so desired by Comrade Cindy and the Watermelons. Will he find by chance at the bottom of his Christmas stocking an envelope containing draft legislation to lower the MMP threshold to 3 percent? Pure speculation of course, nobody but Santa’s elves is privy to such intimate secrets . It would go nicely on the mantelpiece however alongside the waka jumping law which the Watermelons supported through gritted teeth, strangely not long after new offshore oil and gas exploration was banned in New Zealand by the coalition.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:17am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Sounds like Winston got Jacinda to help him pen that load of spin!
  Shit help me Cindy have you seen the Facebook comments
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:17am
- Paulus
  
  Peters is still an Arsehole !
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:20am
  - namron
    
    I’m practicing saying – “Sir Winston!” but it keeps coming out “Sir Deceptive, Dishonest, Manipulative,
    Misleading old creep.”
    Fortunately there are still 10 days to get it right.
    Hope everyone else is practicing too!
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:37am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Arise Sir Arsehole ?
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:47am
      - sooty
        
        Arise “Sir” Little Arsehole!
        There fixed for you.
        
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        December 22, 2018 10:53am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘Oh, you have risen, my apologies, I didn’t know your arse was so close to the ground’
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:12am
      - Jack5
        
        In the long history of England then of the British Commonwealth, perhaps we will soon have the first Sir Judas …
        
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        December 22, 2018 6:52pm
- Ross12
  
  Looks like NZF are running scared as their members gave them a message they did not expect.
  As slighlyrighy says –why sign the document ?
  Also NZF should be explaining the positive benefits to NZ from signing it, when they answer slightlyright’s question.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:28am
  - lifesgood
    
    Are there any?
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:10am
    - sooty
      
      Yes. There is, it’s his resignation!
      He’s finished with politics in the new year!
      Knighthood.
      Plumposting in Washington.
      Goldplated pension.
      Travel in the pointy end for life.
      Limo for life, not that it will be long!
      Might have to change that for an amblaunce, later!
      He’s got the waka jumping law, to stop his mp’s bailling out befoe election!
      It’s all about Whinney, know he don’t give a shit about anybody else, for the short time he has left! After all he’s a bueatiful Whinney!
      
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      December 22, 2018 11:04am
- VicParking
  
  The USA is going though the very issue they are on about. A Judge has ordered that Migrants deported must be returned to the USA . The Trump administration is violating international refugee law a prescribedby the UN.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:47am
- peterwn
  
  They are too chicken to name the National Party or Simon Bridges. Perhaps they are scared stiff of giving them extra publicity.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:21am
- Jack5
  
  New Zealand First, with the release detailed here by Artemisia, nails itself to the mast of United Nations controlled mass migration.
  
  This party is going into the dustbin of history at the next general election. Or before, if the party’s lying skipper, Judas Peters, slips the cable before then.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:36pm
- lifesgood
  
  Hilarious…panic stations is right!
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:09pm
Lee C

Spare a thought for the miners this Xmas:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105666228/protest-against-mining-ban-on-doc-land-as-last-rail-road-bridge-in-new-zealand-closes

ps artemesia I downticked NZ Fist – not you!
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December 22, 2018 8:05am
- harvey wilson
  
  Good on O’Conner for not towing the party line and speaking up.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:11am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘ “Toe the line” is an idiomatic expression meaning either to conform to a rule or standard, or to stand poised at the starting line in a footrace. Other phrases which were once used in the early 1800s and have the same meaning were toe the mark and toe the plank. ‘
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:34am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @kowtow
      
      Of course “toe the line” is the correct idiom..
      but in Damien O’Connor’s case the poor man is forced to haul the stinking carcass of Labour’s history behind him whenever he treads on his Party’s hallowed ground.
      “Towing the party line” seems an apt metaphor in his case.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:59am
  - rockape
    
    O’Connor was there to open the bridge. He didn’t say a word about miners. The protest was against him and mine closures I was there as were Collins and Pugh. Protesters were pushing pro mining posters in his face. He was a sad lonely figure that day.
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:35am
- Bill felt
  
  So let me get this right. The West Coast voted for a LAB candidate in a Lab/Green Govt and then expected to not have their mines closed?
  
  The West Coast should get some common sense or vote differently
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:41am
Humble Capitalist

Had enough of record immigration? Don’t worry Winston to the rescue just like he promised! Still 2 years for the numb skulled 7% to forget and vote once again for ‘the man that calls it how it is’
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December 22, 2018 8:08am
- Paulus
  
  Very possible that by the election in 2020 Peters will be dust !
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:22am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Literally or figuratively?
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:24am
  - Manolo
    
    Ashes? 😀
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:12am
    - alwyn
      
      As in
      “Ashes to ashes,
      Dust to dust,
      If the whisky doesn’t get him,
      Then the cigarettes must”
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:29am
duggledog

Thanks for the cut and paste Artemisia.

As in my first post about CGT, now there’s another thing the lunatics have to sell to the canny kiwis. Good luck with that Winston.

‘It’s OK – don’t worry, trust us!’

‘This has become an emotional debate’ is akin to Hillary’s ‘deplorables’. How condescending.

When NZers find out about Sroubeck next year, Jacinda’s soothing words won’t be so effective any more.
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December 22, 2018 8:10am
- igm
  
  Sroubek, like Dotcom, possibly has a can of worms that would be enough to bring down this CoL.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    igm,
    
    “possibly”?
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:15am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Yep, “possibly.” As in, there are “possibly” fairies at the bottom of my garden, or igm is “possibly” one of NZ’s leading intellectuals who’s just pretending to be an obnoxious ignoramus on Kiwiblog for entertainment purposes.
      
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      December 22, 2018 8:26am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        Psycho by name….
        
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        December 22, 2018 8:37am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  When NZers find out about Sroubeck next year…
  
  Er, we already did find out about Sroubek, unless “Sroubeck” is someone else. Turns out it’s basically an unremarkable marital property dispute. Still, good luck flogging the dead horse, National, it gives you something to do at least.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:24am
  - softail 1450
    
    Psycho mutt ,FFS go see your specialist again,
    the new anti psychotics he has you on aren’t working out, surely your neighbours have told you the same thing.????
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:04am
  - KevOB
    
    For an accredited drug importer there’s a lot of marital property. Sroubek’s assets need looking at by an IRD inspector. Where’s the income come from to justify his wealth?
    
    Protectors of Madam Ardern are reminded.
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:10am
    - fernglas
      
      He bought the home for $490,ooo “using mainly cash”. Can’t see that the wife will have anything to claim after the lawyers and the Commissioner of Police take their share. BFH.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:18am
      - Tall Man
        
        Excellent result then.
        
        A woman who marries a drug dealer needs to be willing to accept the consequences.
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:08am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Yep, his ex would probably have been better off to just let him have his share.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:38am
    - realityczech
      
      Proceeds of crime. But the police have probably been told by Ardern not to touch it.
      
      The last thing she wants is for her ‘associates’ to get upset and start talking.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:45am
      - sooty
        
        Can’t look too closely at his finances, as it would lead back to the Hillbillies and Labour members!
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:09am
      - KevOB
        
        IRD have power independently of criminal associations or charges to inquire about income and its relativities to wealth.
        
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        December 22, 2018 3:18pm
    - Viking2
      
      Better question,
      
      Why haven’t the police bothered to get a restraint order on his assets as they due in most drug related cases?
      
      As the immigration Lady says in their report,’This guy seems to have a charmed life”.
      
      Why is that?
      
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      December 22, 2018 12:12pm
      - KevOB
        
        He seems to be paying for expensive Counsel and like other Drug Dealers pays not to be taken down. I suspect a web of corruption around Sroubek.
        We have a good example in the late Terry Clark, Mr Asia, although not Asian but a regular Pakeha with his empire extending to Australia.
        
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        December 22, 2018 3:52pm
  - kevn
    
    @pm… Auto downtick.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:26am
    - Tall Man
      
      I need that setting…..where can I find it?
      
      😉
      
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      December 22, 2018 11:09am
Sofia

Haumaha
Why, amongst all the mess of the Haumaha Inquiry has neither the Government nor the Opposition made much mention of a “New deputy promoted alongside Wally Haumaha as size of police executive grows”
… the police have created another deputy police commissioner role, by internally promoting Assistant Commissioner John Tims to run the 12 police districts. – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12097833

[Meanwhile] Police National Headquarters have confirmed Haumaha retains the same responsibilities as when he was the Assistant Commissioner in charge of Maori, Pacific and Ethnic Services. As such, no one will be promoted to the rank he vacated.

Why was Haumaha selected to be the one statutory Deputy Commissioner, appointed by Governor-General, on the recommendation of the Prime Minister?
[Current structure: under Police Commissioner there are 4 Deputy Commissioners – one statutory Deputy Commissioner, appointed by Governor-General, and three Deputy Commissioners, appointed by Police Commissioner. First two were appointed in 2014]

Does new Deputy Police Commissioner Tims in fact have greater responsibilities, running the 12 police districts, than Haumaha in his duties, which are unchanged? (Although his salary is presumably now higher?)

And can Tims be fired internally, under the Police Commissioner level, while –
Haumaha can only be fired on advice by the Prime Minister to the Governor-General

Why, in fact, is Haumaha, of the various Deputy Police Commissioners, a special case – both in process of his appointment and, apparently, in how he may be dismissed?

Was he in fact to be the Maori figurehead – a shining example – who now has lost a little of his stardust?
Police deputy commissioner Wally Haumaha will return to his office unapologetic and “bewildered” after the police watchdog found he humiliated and intimidated two women staffers.

“… Jacinda Ardern took legal advice today that found Haumaha had not acted poorly enough to be removed from office”
If Ardern can’t make a decision herself, perhaps “50 prominent women” could advise her.
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December 22, 2018 8:11am
- KevOB
  
  Doesn’t Ardern do humiliation and intimidation every day at Question Time?
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    She is certainly on the receiving end of humiliation.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:23am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Assistant Commissioner in charge of Maori, Pacific and Ethnic Services. ‘
  
  How does that fit in with “equality before the law” and serving without favour or affection ?
  
  Is there an Assistant Commissoner for White Muthafuckers Services?
  
  If not why not?
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:42am
- kevn
  
  @Sofia… As a more astute person than myself commented, police admin staff aren’t snowflakes so the haumaha actions must have been way out of order.
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:28am
- realityczech
  
  You fools have been played.
  
  Wally was stitched up because they wanted a female feminist in the role.
  
  The next commissioner will be a man hating feminist – to go along with every other key constitutional role in NZ today.
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:47am
- Piniwi
  
  But Sofia it was important as a part of the COL barter conditions as well as supporting this Uncle Tom appointment which will be added to the SLG’s CV make over for the UN. The creation of a new position of somebody to do the essential work also confirms that they know Haumaha is useless. Having reached his level of incompetence ahead of what is now a sideways shift he gets a more bird spattered hat along with the bigger pay packet. Added to which is confirmation that thuggery is OK for the so called indigenous established also through another dodgy UN plan.
  
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  December 22, 2018 2:52pm
- Nermal
  
  It’s called “being moved sideways”, an action where you can’t sack the guy for political or race reasons
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:48pm
The Virgin

The Virgins are in Europe for Xmas, getting in a bit of skiing at Zermatt. Place is full of Arabs (and Russians). The good old camel and goat shaggers – love to slag off/blow up the West but fuck do they love the luxury’s in life.
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December 22, 2018 8:14am
- stephieboy
  
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  The virgin, suicide bombers amongst them or are just making this all up?
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:18am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Imagine being so needy and lacking in self worth the only way you can get any validation in life is to show up on a forum where you are despised and post banal comments.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:43am
    - softail 1450
      
      Harvey wilson, to be fair The virgin did mention
      Septicboys favourite subject ,”goat shagging”,
      nothing turns him on more and spurs him on to commenting with the hope of more mention of the subject while he plays with his little tool.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:11am
      - MH
        
        escapegoat again says Billy goat Gruff
        
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        December 22, 2018 5:04pm
  - The Virgin
    
    Dick Wacker like you stiff one could never afford Zermatt so you will just have to take my word for it
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ain’t this forum great steffy girl. We get to slag you off and your comments get wiped of the board.
    
    Even better, I didn’t have to read it but I am well aware that it would be an irrelevant pile of puerile drivel.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy..well, who cares?
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  Sadly for the victims, I predict at least one car, van or truck going *Allah Akbar* in Europe before Christmas.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:52am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Yet another lone wolf probably.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:56am
    - sooty
      
      And not even muslim!
      
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      December 22, 2018 11:12am
  - The Virgin
    
    Yes, London is increasing pedestrian barriers almost weekly due to the threat from the fucktard Arabs, whom Stiffy and his buddy Muttondick go to all ends to extend the benefit of the doubt to. If those 2 fuckwits ever chose to visit Germany or Paris they would see themselves the effects of rape, assault and vandalism that these supposed war immigrants are unleashing on the general public.
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:19am
  - GazzaW
    
    Sadly RP you will be proved correct. Allah’s “fearless warriors” are not likely to be satisfied with the slaughter of two helpless young Scandinavian girls in Morocco and then ensuring that their families get to view the footage of their murder. Fucking cowards.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:12am
    - Rich Prick
      
      The video is horrific. And Winston has signed NZ up to the wholesale importation of machete monkeys like those ones. Can we trust Iain Lees Galloway to spot them before they sign up for our welfare?
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:27am
      - marcw
        
        These next monkeys will turn up on a plane, passports down the dunny en-route, and with the new UN dictat all signed up by Winston the traitor, there’s fuck all that ILG can do to get rid of them any more. Once the bleeding hearts lawyers get up to speed, they will have benefits for life, a free new dry and warm Kiwibuilt home in Papakura, and taxis 5 times a day to the mosque to take their next lonewolf orders. Because that’s what we have signed up to, courtesy of the traitor.
        
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        December 22, 2018 12:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        We need to deal with them the same way we do with any other noxious animal that tries to invade NZ.
        
        They are an invasive species that prays on native animals and carry diseases.
        
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        December 22, 2018 12:19pm
Paulus

I see our 4.30 pm Friday big announcement was from Less Galloway as he predicted.
He is trying to persuade us that had he got some travel information from Immigration he would not have made the original decision, as he was told to.
His Mistress Ardern has turned her back on him in Parliament.
Sad as he had an expensive private education but does not know when to stop digging – the hole is now so big that he would have been better to shut up.
He is keeping it up in the hope that he is the only one who is right and it will go away over the holiday period. The media will of course forget, but we will not.
He will be out by March – but that will not make this sad saga go away for him or Ardern whilst she continues to prevaricate.
Even then it is too late. We will remember.
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December 22, 2018 8:18am
- sooty
  
  Slease needs a by election! Resign you corrupt idiot! You certainly in a position beyond your IQ!
  
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  December 22, 2018 11:14am
oldpark

Heard Lees-Galloway the small town union offical now masquerading as NZs Immigration Minister commenting once more on the gangster and drug runner Karel Sroubek. Between him and the sycophantic Mainstream Media they are now blaming the Immigration Department on withholding information of the gangster that could have fast track the drug runner out of NZ.
Sounds like a get out of jail,excuse the pun for Lees-Galloway.
The real truth of the story . Allegations appear to be to make sure Karel Sroubek is not to be deported. Conspiracy theory is he knows too much about certain indivduals all associated with NZs self styled and holier than thou so called Hierarchy.
Of course that would be telling, maybe we will never know what type of directive the small town trade union offical known as Lees-Galloway ,masquerading as NZs Immigration Minister was told to do. Maybe just read the first few pages of a damning report on the gangster drug runner Karel Sroubek.Sounds as if he did like a good wee message boy. The result appears to be a disaster. Did he do his job. Yes he did to satisfy someone who gave him certain instructions. Go figure.
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December 22, 2018 8:21am
- mjw
  
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  Don’t forget, the PM also faked the moon landing, Elvis is alive and living in Winston Peter’s house, and President Trump is getting rid of the three strikes legislation.
  
  Actually, that last one is true.
  
  Merry Christmas Kiwibloggers!
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:26am
  - kevn
    
    @mjw.. A denier eh?
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:30am
  - Nermal
    
    What, you still believe that’s a moon?
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:51pm
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Did he do his job. Yes he did to satisfy someone who gave him certain instructions.
  
  Was it the Lizard People who gave him the instructions? Or the Illuminati? I think it was the Lizard People who were giving John Key his instructions, so probably it’s them again.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    @Psycho Milt
    
    Stop projecting, not everyone works for your bosses.
    
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    December 22, 2018 11:58am
- realityczech
  
  My investigation has concluded he supplied drugs to people in positions of power and it is for that reason he has been treated differently.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:37am
  - VicParking
    
    And his mate was bonking would be politicians.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:52am
  - Inandout
    
    realityc, is it true that certain Auckland suburbs are being renamed on the street to keep in the spirit of cocaine? Whitelynn, Ponsoncaine, Coke Hill, St Candy Bay, Gravelton and Cindy’s Sleetingham. You of course are correct in your conclusions about who is being supplied. ILG’s pathetic attempt to throw Immigration officials under the bus will come back to haunt him. It is well known that Ministers don’t run the departments they oversee because the pollie’s tenure is fleeting. No, the guys who do the paperwork have the last say and they can (and will) sink any traitor who tries to dump on them.
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:10am
    - GazzaW
      
      The Public Service mafia does not forget. ILG may as well resign now.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:51am
      - Tall Man
        
        There is no mafia in the public service but a total tosser has lied and thrown his team under the bus.
        
        Whatever comes his way will be far less that he deserves.
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:12am
      - sooty
        
        Realityc. I agree with you that he was the supplyer of choice to the leaders of politics and their camp followers!
        Also your prediction off the boyfriend!
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:23am
      - sooty
        
        Whoops, I just reported myself. I was going to do another post.
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:25am
      - realityczech
        
        The truth will never be told. It would undermine the public confidence in the whole edifice of government. It would not be a small thing. They will stop at nothing to keep this hidden.
        
        We already have the SIS employing private security firms, and the police, to silence a man asking reasonable and rational questions of the Earthquake Commission.
        
        Just imagine what they would do to keep this quiet !
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:32am
  - Longknives
    
    There have been an awful lot of Media types and ‘Celebrities’ mixed up in Auckland Drug busts over the years..
    The ones you hear about are only the tip of the Iceberg.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:09am
    - realityczech
      
      Oh yes it is a sleazy underworld of the rich and connected. There is a code of silence, because if anyone narcs they all go down.
      
      There are govt agencies know who they are but dare not act on the information.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:30am
- calendar girl
  
  Let’s not forget the role of Mr Ritchie Hardcore in all of this, a friend of Sroubek and one who has direct personal access to PM Ardern via her mobile phone.
  
  What’s that all about? And when are our fearless media sleuths going to research thoroughly any previous dealings between these people and inform the NZ Public?
  
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  December 22, 2018 6:17pm
Sofia

Labour’s Sroubek Christmas Friday late afternoon document dump …

The documents also included a letter from Sroubek thanking Lees-Galloway for the Minister’s initial decision.
“I would like to convey my feelings of gratitude in words to allow me to express my appreciation of the chance that I’ve been given in your decision to let me legally remain in New Zealand,” Sroubek wrote on October 10.
“I can, in all honesty, state that I will gladly comply with all the conditions imposed upon me … I will not waste the opportunity you’ve given me to positively contribute to our community and to New Zealand.”
…
Sroubek is appealing the new deportation notice.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12181112

Sroubek has already broken condition (3) of “all the conditions imposed upon me” – a condition relating to misleading agencies, or omitting information; and there are his comments on his return to the Czech Republic and those relating to threatening his ex-wife, and even including his statement above.

Shouldn’t all that shit now negatively impact his “appealing the new deportation notice”?
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December 22, 2018 8:28am
- KevOB
  
  The appeal is only a referral back to the Minister by the Court for reconsideration under the Minister’s discretion and requiring the Minister to consider again certain matters.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:18am
- Komata
  
  Sofia
  
  For us mere mortals it would, but when you know people in very high places it never, ever, will…
  
  A little black book can open all sorts of doors and create all sorts of ‘entrepreneurial’ possibilities
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:22am
Hugh Pavletich

Chinese Media Deny WSJ Report About Global Banks Cutting Ties With Huawei | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-21/chinese-media-deny-wsj-report-about-global-banks-cutting-ties-huawei

As the controversy over the arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou rages (driven in part by Beijing’s retaliatory arrest of three Canadian citizens living in China) and more US allies agree to limit their exposure to telecoms equipment manufactured by the Chinese giant in accordance with the wishes of the US, the Wall Street Journal has reported on yet another consequence of allegations that Huawei violated US and EU sanctions on Iran: The same global banks that helped facilitate Huawei’s rise into a multinational giant that does business in more than 170 countries are now limiting or cutting their ties with Huawei. … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 22, 2018 8:37am
- kowtow
  
  I don’t see multiple screeching media reports on the retaliatory , arbitrary arrests in China of Canadian citizens , how queer.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:55am
srylands

I’m heading off on an Australian outback trip. Thanks to DPF for the blog and merry chritmas to you all. Except Muttonbird, Morrisey, and ztev.
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December 22, 2018 8:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

You gotta laff..

I went to the TV One News site…

1st Item: Pope Francis vows that church will ‘never again’ hide rape and child molestation

Couple of items down: Christchurch Catholic school refuses to release details of sex abuse investigation
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news
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December 22, 2018 8:41am
- nasska
  
  It’s in their DNA. They can’t help themselves.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:06am
  - sooty
    
    Wood’n you know it, just like the Labour party!
    
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    December 22, 2018 11:28am
- MH
  
  he’s covered by a Pay-pal Decree.
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:10pm
realityczech

With the recent New Zeland Rocket Lab launch, it seems a good time to recognise those who made space travel possible. It has changed the world and improved the lives of billions of people. The magnificent Nazi scientists were the ones who made it all possible. Both Russia and the USA grabbed as many as they could, starting the space race.

The Germans have contributed more than any other culture to science, medicine and technology. However, during the war the advances made were incredible and underpin modern engineering and much medical knowledge.

It is time some gratitude was shown for what these wonderful people did for humanity.
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December 22, 2018 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Gratitude?
  
  How Ex-Nazis & Jewish Scientists Got The U.S. To The Moon
  These former adversaries shaped rocket engineering. Here’s how recovered letters provide a detailed look into this pivotal military project.
  
  https://www.seeker.com/how-ex-nazis-jewish-scientists-got-the-us-to-the-moon-1912962641.html
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:17am
  - realityczech
    
    No idea what you are babbling about stupidboy.
    
    This is about science, not the horrors you socialists did.
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:19am
    - Jack5
      
      ❗Kea❗Realityczech, the space cadet!
      
      Robert Hutchings Goddard, of the United States, was into rocketry before Werner von Braun, and Konstantin Tsiolkovsky was into it well before von Braun, in Russia.
      
      The Germans are great engineers, and the pressure of war spurred much innovation, in the Allied countries and the Soviet Union, as well as in Russia.
      
      Since World War 2, the Germans have been a bit slow at exploiting their engineering. China has lifted from Germany the solar-panel industry and high-speed trains.
      
      ?Merry Christmas, ?KRC❗ No doubt you will be off to the snow line. Safe tramping.
      
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      December 22, 2018 1:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        Speaking of birthdays, what every happened to that Jesus chap Jacksie?
        
        I heard rumours about some religious cult having him tortured to death. Might have been ISIS or something.
        
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        December 22, 2018 1:58pm
  - Nermal
    
    Lol, Stephie still thinks it’s a moon ?
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:56pm
- cmm
  
  It is quite astounding how much rocket gear the Americans took. They loaded up over 300 railway freight cars with rocket kit and also made off with some of the top-end rocket scientists including Wernher von Braun.
  
  They also invented the programmable computer – way before the Brits and Americans who claim it.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z1_(computer)
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:20am
  - stephieboy
    
    Let’s not forget Alan Turing’s accomplishments and inventions in the same field of computer engineering and science,
    
    https://study.com/academy/lesson/alan-turing-accomplishments-inventions.html
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:39am
    - kowtow
      
      Or that he was transferred out of Bletchley to Hanslope Park as he was suspected of molesting schoolboys at the Luton public library.
      Was that depicted in the movie?
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:03am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Hard to find anything on web about his worse behaviour. Only hagiographies allowed when discussing historic homosexuals.
        
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        December 22, 2018 1:23pm
      - Inandout
        
        Shit, never knew that had happened.
        
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        December 22, 2018 1:26pm
    - cmm
      
      The Z1 was before any of the actual practical work that Turning did.
      
      While Alan Turing did make massive contributions, he is credited with far too much. Turing was mainly a theoretician.
      
      The Turing Machine is a theoretical mechanical computer of no practical consequence to computer engineering. They are slow and, while theoretically capable of doing any calculation, are useless.
      
      Tommy Flowers was the real engineering brains behind the Bletchley code breaking efforts. He actually designed a computer (Collossus) that actually worked. Fast.
      
      So why does Turing get so much press? From what I have read (6 or so books over the last many years rather than just a website), a lot seems to come down to three main things:
      A) Turing’s homosexuality and suicide makes for a nice juicy story about how a gay bloke saved Britain and then was hounded to commit suicide by the very country he saved. AN over-egged pudding, IMHO.
      B) His “history” got a massive airbrushing by his family to build a favourable picture. Even his own family members called some of these “saint stories”.
      C) The Enigma decoding (which Turing was part of) was declassified long before the decoding of the Lorenz machines. Everyone knows about Turing and Enigma, few about the Lorenz decoding and Collosus.
      
      The Lorenz was, in part, decoded by the Collosus, designed by Tommy Flowers. That was a real computer.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:46am
      - Jack5
        
        Don’t forget the Poles.
        
        https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28167071
        
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        December 22, 2018 1:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        The Poles of course benefited from the German Settlers exercising their right of return and occupying their traditional homelands where they had lived for thousands of years. Sadly some Polish terrorists attacked the settlements with rockets etc. forcing Germany to protect its right to exist.
        
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        December 22, 2018 2:03pm
      - tf78
        
        I wish I had your brain cmm.
        
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        December 23, 2018 7:00pm
    - Paulus
      
      I thought that after the War the electronic computer as we know it was owned and built by the British Post Office who did not know what to do with it – Government Department, – was crated and taken to the USA and became a basis of IBM.
      
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      December 22, 2018 1:46pm
  - realityczech
    
    The fraudster Musk and his scam company Space X have only just reached the level of the Soviets in the 1950’s
    
    While our very own New Zealand Rocket Lab is launching satellites for NASA and is a viable company and business model.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:36am
    - cmm
      
      The serial trougher Musk does have one thing going for SpaceX though: heavy lifting.
      
      Rocket Lab has the ability to launch smaller satellites very cheaply (around a tenth of the cost of heavy lifting) using far less resources etc. This is the sweet spot for the satellite launch industry.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:51am
      - realityczech
        
        Yes but the Kingdom of Tonga could be launching heavies with that amount of money and tax payer resources poured into it.
        
        Musk is a barrier to sustainable and practical technology. The money poured into his failing ventures could have been used elsewhere.
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:12am
      - cmm
        
        rc: Yup, Tesla gets USD37k for each car they make.
        
        That is a massive suck on the tit as well as making a huge barrier to entry for people wanting to develop practical, lower cost tech.
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:17am
      - realityczech
        
        37k on each unit and they are still failing. Also a recent UK consumer survey rated Tesla dead last in reliability. The quality issues are hilarious and would not have passed the standards of a Soviet era Lada factory.
        
        Musk fanboys piss me off hugely. Its all about hype and pretending they are futuristic go-getters.
        
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        December 22, 2018 11:25am
      - cmm
        
        Whether they are failing or not depends on what you think they are trying to do.
        
        Scam to suck out the trough: success.
        
        Sustainable transport solution: fail.
        
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        December 22, 2018 12:12pm
      - tf78
        
        I heard Musk’s main interest is in the battery business – true or not I don’t know. Interesting he stopped the electric car biz when the subsidies ran out.
        
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        December 23, 2018 7:02pm
  - skyblue
    
    Spoils of victory.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:39am
- Interested Party
  
  I think you will find it is the British culture that has contributed the most towards science, medicine and technology.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:29am
- freethinker
  
  I hope those magnificent Germans are working on a final solution to return the Invaders to their place of origin, and may Merkel rot in hell.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:58am
  - realityczech
    
    “I hope those magnificent Germans are working on a final solution ”
    
    I have one; Sensible immigration laws combined with a requirement of respect for the host culture.
    
    No need for a fuss, or anyone to be harmed.
    
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    December 22, 2018 11:14am
    - kevn
      
      @rc… Go tell that to JA and whinney. Seems to evaded them.
      
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      December 22, 2018 11:46am
    - DigNap15
      
      I have a better one.
      Free air fares back to any Arab hell hole you wish.
      With a deadline of one year.
      Followed by
      Complusory air trip back over any stretch of desert you wish with a free parachute for when we push you and your worthless family out of the back of the plane.
      
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      December 22, 2018 12:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  von Braun (USA team) and Korolev (Russian team) were influenced by/ dependent upon Tsiolkovsky’s earlier work.
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Really? Orbital mechanics were pretty basic maths once Newton had done his thing. Von brauns challenges were engineering ones. Primarily guidance.
    
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    December 22, 2018 1:28pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation
      
      Russian search teams at Peenemünde found a German translation of a book by Tsiolkovsky of which “almost every page…was embellished by von Braun’s comments and notes.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Tsiolkovsky
      
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      December 22, 2018 1:42pm
Sofia

“… Jacinda Ardern took legal advice today that found Haumaha had not acted poorly enough to be removed from office”

UN Migration Compact – New Zealand First urges you to read the press release below and the legal opinion from Crown Law which is attached.

Honesty, transparency and integrity – it is now apparently in the legal small print. Fucking great …
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December 22, 2018 8:47am
- VicParking
  
  I suppose that compared to actions at Labour Camps, MP staff bashing, lying left right and centre by her and hiding meetings by ministers Haumaha is an angel.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:58am
- peterwn
  
  IMO the serious breach of privacy and breach of confidence within Corrections warrants a dismissal there and a five figure payout to the victim. One wonders whether Corrections had any decent policies regarding staff files eg they were only available if authorised by a senior manager.
  Moreover I wonder if Wally coerced or bullied the Corrections manager into releasing that information. If so that would add great weight to a case for dismissing him or at least demoting him.
  Air NZ effectively fired a Captain it had lost faith in and was prepared to take it on the nose in the Employment Tribunal (the payout was trivial compared with the risk cost of continuing to employ the pilot).
  The Government should fire the two people involved here and be prepared to take it on the nose at the Employment Tribunal. It will be good news if they do not as this will be another albatross around the government’s neck and NZ First’s neck (they seem to be donkey deep in this) in the run up to the next election.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:38am
Ross12

So the Democrats and the MSM go mental about Mattis resigning. They conveniently forget that Obama sacked Mattis in 2013 , without even talking to him, and at the time the Dems and the MSM hardly blinked.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/daniel-halper/obama-fires-top-general-without-even-a-phone-call
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December 22, 2018 8:49am
- stephieboy
  
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  Ross12, you would be wrong there. Numerous other resignations bring more context to the President’s extraordinary revolving door,
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/fired-donald-trump-has-sacked-has-resigned-time-president/
  
  Discuss.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:24am
  - kevn
    
    @septic. Trump does more in drawing breath than your whole life to date efforts. Which we downtick daily.
    
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    December 22, 2018 11:48am
- Komata
  
  Ross
  
  ‘But it’s different when..!’
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:24am
niggly

People may not realise this (nor care) but yesterday saw another COL “Friday announcement” (that tried to be buried) but worse of all another NZ First sell-out (following their support of the UN migration compact).

The COL has scrapped the idea of NZ hosting a squadron of Singapore air force F-15 Strike Eagle’s, citing “excessive costs” to build the necessary infrastructure at Ohakea air base.

Two things come to mind:

1. I call BS on the COL’s reasoning, as Singapore (like they do with their other overseas basings) would pay handsomely for the privilege including funding infrastructure development, plus the COL are saying they are awash with money due to the surpluses announced the other day, plus the COL seem to have plenty of money to throw around, just ask Shane Jones!

2. But more interestingly it looks like the “real” PM, Winston Peters, didn’t back this, otherwise it would have happened! So why didn’t Winston back this? Was it another “captains call” made by Jacinda and James in which Winston had to suck it up (like the ban on oil and gas exploration announcement), if so, what was WinstonFirst’s pay-back?

So what would have been the significance of NZ hosting the Singaporean air force? It would have further enhanced NZ-Singapore relations and co-operation (NZ-Singapore were one of our first FTA’s), but economically NZ would have benefited to the tune of tens of millions per year as the Singaporean govt paid the NZ govt for the privilege and the Rangitekei/Manawatu regional economies would have also gained millions per year due to spending by effectively high-income personnel. And that’s not even taking into account greater NZ Defence Force cooperation and training opportunities.

So the question is, Winston, why did you sell out your supporters again & make a mockery of NZF’s claims of supporting defence?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@pro/2018/12/20/371105/singapore-f-15-base-scrapped-for-ohakea
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December 22, 2018 8:54am
- VicParking
  
  It wont be long before NZ has less friends than North Korea.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:02am
  - mandk
    
    Fewer
    
    (Sorry, but that one always brings out the pedant in me).
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:25am
    - VicParking
      
      I think the words you mean are “brings out the pettifogger in me”
      
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      December 22, 2018 11:33am
- KevOB
  
  NZ can do without the complications of hosting another foreign military power. Five Eyes is too much already. What happens if the USA takes a snitcher to Singapore? Trade with China may be at risk too.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:25am
  - niggly
    
    Singapore holds NZ’s emergency oil reserves, alot of NZ’s trade goes through SE Asia … Singapore helps protects all that, the least we could do is reciprocate in kind.
    
    In essence they would be here for training purposes (NZ is too far away for them to be “bombing” anyone – the aircraft wouldn’t have the payload/range to do so).
    
    Singapore has air force squadrons in Australia, France and the US (because they don’t have the airspace to safely operate), those countries don’t seem to be concerned with “offending” China (and neither should NZ, otherwise what has our nation (or correctly, leadership) become – wimps? 🙂
    
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    December 22, 2018 12:09pm
- Sofia
  
  Niggly – “Was it another “captains call” made by Jacinda and James in which Winston had to suck it up (like the ban on oil and gas exploration announcement), if so, what was WinstonFirst’s pay-back?”
  
  Winston’s horse trade for the gas exploration ban was his waka-jumping bill.
  What he has got for the UN Immigration Sell-Out is not yet apparently apparent. But give it some time …
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:52am
  - niggly
    
    Yes it’s interesting that, timing wise, NZF’s “treason” supporting the UN Migration Compact & now the slap in the face to the Singapore Govt (re: F15 basing) appears to have happened all in the same week …. now that the Waka jumping bill has been secured (O&G ban) could the latest sell-outs be related to the current COL talk of lowering the MMP Party thresholds to 4% (or even 3% etc)?
    
    For more reading of the COL & Jacinda’s leadership incompetence affecting NZ’s special relationship with Singapore, see Todd McClay’s press release:
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1811/S00156/stalled-partnership-with-singapore-7-months-overdue.htm
    
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    December 22, 2018 12:04pm
    - Bill felt
      
      My drinking mate is a public sector lawyer in Wgtn and embedded in the workings of trade agreements. Apparently there has been some major leaks from the Ministry relating to trade agreements and some dirty deals done in the past. I think there is to be more on this in 2019. It is no wonder Singapore and other nations do not want to close out trade agreements or are willing to bargain hard for extra benefits!
      
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      December 22, 2018 4:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Having Asian air force jets buzzing round would be a daily reminder to thinking New Zealanders that we have slipped to almost third world status while former third world countries ( not that Singers was truly third world , it was always a successful British colony , no doubt the basis for its present happy circumstance) have grown powerfully in productivity , wealth and status.
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:11am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I call bullshit on the colls excuse. If the airbase could host Skyhawks and was being prepared for F16s until the Bitch scrapped that deal, it wouldn’t take much to get it F15 ready. Lying CUNTS, the lot of them.
  
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  December 22, 2018 7:50pm
Manolo

Where is the horror, the outcry? Followers of Islam, a barbaric and violent cult, strike again.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/family-urges-public-not-to-watch-scandinavian-tourist-decapitation-video/news-story/cb8d0318432609d83a5da743c025ab27

Uncensored images of the severed and partially severed heads of two Scandinavian tourists murdered in the Moroccan mountains have been plastered all over the Facebook page of one of their grieving mothers.

The mutilated bodies of university students Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, of Denmark, and 28-year-old Maren Ueland, of Norway, were found on Monday at an isolated campsite two hours’ walk from the tourist village of Imlil near Mount Toubkal.
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December 22, 2018 9:10am
- fernglas
  
  I see a vigil, lots of #metoo etc. Of course, if they were middle aged white men?
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:27am
- Biscuit
  
  Under the new compassionate Ethics code that St. Jacinda has introduced to Politics, does this mean that Morocco’s Prime Minister will front to a Mea Culpa press conference?
  
  Cynical?
  
  Moi?
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:28am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo, now let us get this clear? All Morrocos Muslim population responsible for this atrocity?
  
  Like all New Zealanders responsible for Grace Millane’s murder?
  
  Try making some sense for a change our in resident cosmologist!
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:30am
  - holysheet
    
    Like all New Zealanders responsible for Grace Millane’s murder?
    You mean your beloved liar for a leader didn’t give her apology from all of us?
    If not was she lying yet again?
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:18am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      She did. And she was roundly condemned for it on this blog (though not by our host). No collective responsibility, everybody cried.
      
      So which is it? Is an entire community responsible when a few of its number commit an atrocity, or not?
      
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      December 22, 2018 12:28pm
      - MH
        
        when they the average Moroccan doesn’t protest they are complicit-no protest parades down town in Morocco.
        
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        December 22, 2018 5:21pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Morocco is an Islamic shithole. There is an edge to the people there where you feel about 10 seconds away from violence. Don’t go there it’s not worth the risk, and there isn’t much to see anyway.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:45am
  - kowtow
    
    Morroccans account for alot of crime in Holland. Why they ever let them in is a mystery to me.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:12am
    - Rich Prick
      
      It’s the same in Spain. You learn to be wary of the occupants of cars with a sword on the number plate.
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:30am
      - Jack5
        
        Moroccan troops served under the French in Italy during World War 2, and left behind an appalling record.
        
        After the Battle of Cassino, Moroccan troops raped as many as 7000 Italian women and children and killed hundreds of Italian civilian men.
        
        The French commander of the Moroccans, General Alphonse Juin, shares moral responsibility. This is from Wikipedia:
        
        “A statement by General Alphonse Juin before the battle said: ‘For fifty hours you will be the absolute masters of what you will find beyond the enemy. Nobody will punish you for what you will do, nobody will ask you about what you will get up to.’ Recent research has showed this statement was confirmed by facts.”
        
        The Italian film, Two Women, starring Sophia Loren, was based on the Moroccans’ mass rape.
        
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        December 22, 2018 7:08pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Moroccans are still hated in Italy today.
        
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        December 22, 2018 7:44pm
- The Heat
  
  I guess we’ll be seeing plenty of these types wanting to come here.
  
  I’m sure they are fans of the UN agreement, even if they haven’t heard of it quite yet.
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:04am
  - Sacha
    
    Don’t think so. NZ will become the place where refugees are sent to get rid of. Think Manus Island only bigger. And even further away from everywhere else.
    
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    December 22, 2018 10:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Meanwhile in Sweden they are yet to form a government due to all party intransigence in dealing with the anti Islam party !
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:15am
  - GoVege
    
    They need to follow Denmark’s example.
    Ban the abominable burqa.
    And put immigrant criminals on an island.
    
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    December 22, 2018 1:04pm
- GoVege
  
  There have been too many bright young Caucasian kids butchered by followers of the insane religion to justify an outcry, Manolo.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:06pm
lastmanstanding

Thought for the day.

Bankers ( spelt with a W) don’t have ethics or morals. They have egos.
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December 22, 2018 9:15am
- kevn
  
  @lms… Bankers. Fair weather friends indeed.
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:35am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: The Big Scam: Our immigration system is broken | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/108921008/the-big-scam-our-immigration-system-is-broken

ANALYSIS: Remember the opening scene of Once Were Warriors? A textbook image of an island paradise filled the screen, before the camera panned back to reveal it was merely a billboard in the middle of a grim urban reality.

New Zealand seems to sell itself to the world in the same way. Are we promoting the false vision of a beautiful, incorruptible country offering a top-class education and opportunities to make your fortune?

After months of investigating visa frauds at the heart of our immigration system, we’re convinced it’s broken. Corruption and exploitation run almost unchecked. Our newest arrivals are told that fraud and graft are acceptable and unpunished. Scammers operate almost openly, safe in the knowledge they won’t be prosecuted. … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 22, 2018 9:28am
- KevOB
  
  This seems to be implicated in our excessive immigration demands too.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:30am
- kevn
  
  @Hugh… We don’t need to read ‘hyperlinks’ , it is common knowledge what goes on in the (recent) immigrant community.
  Every scam and cash deal possible. Sidestepping banks, private money deals from within, no official records etc.
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:34am
Komata

lms

…and they also have POWER!!

Something politicians forget at their peril!
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December 22, 2018 9:28am
MCos

The US Senate has passed a bill that would make lynching a federal crime.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000006273294/senate-lynching-bill.html?emc=edit_th_181221&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=549441201221
Meanwhile the Sensible Sentencing Trust has made some poor bastard’s life a misery by wrong identifying him as a pedophile.
http://nzh.tw/12180859
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December 22, 2018 10:03am
- peterwn
  
  Calling someone a pedophile is like dropping a neutron bomb on the the person. Looks like SST are going to be mercilessly taken to the cleaners over this and will probably have to cease operating.
  
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  December 22, 2018 11:14am
  - fernglas
    
    I hope so. McVicar’s defence was that the names were similar. In the real world, that means the names were different. When asked whether he may have exposed the person to serious danger by doing it wrong, he accepted that he had. Logically, that means even those who are rightly exposed are at risk of serious danger. He then called for the Government to set up such a register. Would you trust them to operate it any better? Or to do something that would expose innocent people and offenders to serious harm? If you need any confirmation of that, you need only look at the people who were shouting death threats at the Le Roux family, apparently based on their intimate knowledge of all the details from reading a badly flawed newspaper report.
    
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    December 22, 2018 1:07pm
  - Nermal
    
    I would have sued the pants off SST and it’s members
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:06pm
David George

BREAKING NEWS:
For the thousands that missed out, Jordan Peterson has announced two additional events for his New Zealand tour. Wellington Thursday 21st February and Auckland Saturday 23rd February.
Merry Christmas all.
https://jordanbpeterson.com/events/
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December 22, 2018 10:08am
- kowtow
  
  I wonder which far left loons will turn out to protest?
  
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  December 22, 2018 10:38am
  - Manolo
    
    Will our resident Muslim be there?
    
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    December 22, 2018 1:08pm
    - sooty
      
      Nah. He’ll be home washing the goats hair!
      
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      December 22, 2018 6:29pm
KeaRea

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/witchcraft-moves-mainstream-america-christianity-130445984.html

I know ‘Christian’ is regarded eith contempt. Ted Haggard and sky fairy etc. A real shame none of the more modern mainstrean giants like Clive Lewis is alive, and those that are left are exiled by the eternal enemy of Christianity who are the gatekeepers to the peripheries. Lewis anticipated everything. He really did.

But there are now more ‘witches’ in the United States then there are Presbyterians. And it’s led by trannies and hermaphrodites and women etc.

The one thing, the only thing, that barely could make mass movements of people work as forced upon the United States would be Christianity tying people together. Christianity is the most important element of the three that comprise western civ – along with the Greco Roman legacy and the European Peoples.

Well, you now have a Pagan post Christian society in the US. More witches then Presbyterians. And it isn’t larping retards either. It’s actual people really sitting there with the Wicca and malifeous mallifecorum doing weird shit.

All the atheists and Jews who for decades have turned Christianity, Aristotle and Aquinas into dirty words and inversions, into a non protected class by contract and statute, will reap what they have sowed.

I can’t quite believe it. At the time of JFK the US had a massive Christian elite and he for all his faults was going to undo so much damage. Then he got shot a few days after his statement to that effect.

Anyway – witches and trannies and aliens ruled over by atheist or occultist Jews. There is your post christian diversity dividend. I am sure it will end really well for all concerned.
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December 22, 2018 10:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sometimes a witch can be very effective:
  
  Obituary: Rwanda’s Zura Karuhimbi, who saved dozens from genocide
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46618482
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:13pm
- realityczech
  
  The USA is run by the Jews with help from the Christian fundamentalists. The wars they are involved with are all religious wars, on behalf of the Jews. The current genocide against muslims is the longest running and the worst in human history.
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:33pm
holysheet

PINOCCHIO, SNOW WHITE, and SUPERMAN
Pinocchio, Snow White and Superman are out for a stroll in town one day.
As they walk, they come across a sign:
CONTEST FOR THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD
“I am entering,” said Snow White.
After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, “Well, how did you do?”
“First Place,” said Snow White.
They continue walking and they see a sign:
CONTEST FOR THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD
“I’m entering” says Superman.
After half an hour he returns and they ask him, “How did you make out?”
“First Place,” answers Superman. “Was there ever any doubt?”
They continue walking when they see a sign:
CONTEST! WHO IS THE GREATEST LIAR IN THE WORLD?
Pinocchio says, “I got this. This is mine.”
Half an hour later, he returns with tears in his eyes.
“What happened?” they asked
“Who the fuck is Jacinda Ardern?!?!” blurts out Pinocchio.
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December 22, 2018 10:15am
- Tall Man
  
  And you have to give her credit, it’s not often you can find a woman who can defeat wynston in a lying contest.
  
  Now, if we can drum up an “idiot contest”, maybe we can give steffy girl her first little success in life.
  
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  December 22, 2018 11:00am
Southern Raider

Guess what?

Hard to believe but another baby has just died in unexplained circumstances.
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December 22, 2018 10:43am
- Tall Man
  
  There’s more glory for ardern the liar in defeating “poverdy” than in stopping fucktards killing their kids.
  
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  December 22, 2018 11:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    Tallman, I take the so out of touch you have never told a lie?
    
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    December 22, 2018 11:54am
    - holysheet
      
      Hey stoooopidboy, every one lies from time to time. It’s the consistency that Cindy does it that is the problem with her. It’s her default go to position on any thing she doesn’t understand, which is basically everything she has to deal with.
      
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      December 22, 2018 12:05pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
      
      What I do or do not do is pretty much irrelevant outside of my family, you wouldn’t know what a family is but I’ll use the word anyway.
      
      The lies of ardern the liar unfortunately impact on many within our country, certainly those that have had their expectations falsely raised by her lies. I guess that’s you shit for brains but trust me, nothing is coming your way and you will remain a useless drain on society.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      December 22, 2018 7:53pm
- The Heat
  
  I wonder if there will be a tearful press conference?
  
  No?
  
  Probably not something worth mentioning, I guess.
  
  Sad, really.
  
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  December 22, 2018 11:41am
starboard

Another baby found dead in suspicious circumstances.
We know, dont we….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/109557545/police-investigating-unexplained-death-of-ninemonthold-baby-in-napier
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December 22, 2018 10:49am
- GoVege
  
  50 to 100 times the chance that a father substitute not the baby’s biological dad did it.
  And that the mother was a teenage single girl, probably a new mum at 13 to 17 years of age.
  Sad.
  Possibly one of the Yankee Dame’s “our fertility”.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:12pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    And the whanau will rally in support !!!!
    
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    December 22, 2018 3:15pm
    - Harriet
      
      “Look a male did it – again!”
      
      And it’ll turn out to be no male that anyone here recognises as such – again.
      
      And again it’ll be some dysfunctional charge of the government, someone that the government feeds, houses, clothes, gifts them……..and has done for years……..
      
      But most significantly — again it’s no male from the private sector in meaningful employment. Boys need dads and dads need meaningful employment. There is no other safety net.
      
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      December 22, 2018 3:46pm
      - GoVege
        
        Harriet: perhaps it was a case of another young mum careless enough to leave her baby with her boyfriend.
        Why can’t they give these idiots a manual, assuming they can read…
        
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        December 22, 2018 4:52pm
    - GoVege
      
      Pity they didn’t all rally round before the baby ended up dead.
      Just hope it wasn’t tortured first.
      
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      December 22, 2018 4:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Rally? Lie and avoid more like.
      
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      December 22, 2018 7:43pm
secondcumming

I was wandering along Queen Street last night when I asked a homeless woman if I could take her home.

She smiled and said yes.

The look on her face soon fucking changed when I walked off with her cardboard.
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December 22, 2018 10:54am
- holysheet
  
  Homeless?
  Simple, just join the crowd and self identify as a house and your problems are solved!
  
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  December 22, 2018 11:07am
  - All_on_Red
    
    “White people cannot be homeless.
    
    Being homeless is a socio-political concept referring to the lack of living quarters due to institutional racisms and discriminations that white people simply cannot experience.
    
    White people can be “without a house” but they cannot be homeless.”
    
    Dr Madeline Seers PHD
    @MadelineSeers13
    
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    December 22, 2018 11:15am
    - stephieboy
      
      She seems to make an awful lot alt right sense,
      
      https://twitter.com/MadelineSeers13/status/1075656404327751681?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
      
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      December 22, 2018 12:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thanks Stephie
        I missed that one.
        She’s pretty funny.
        
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        December 22, 2018 12:21pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red didn’t she propose to the darling of the alt-right Milo Yiannopoulos?
        
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        December 22, 2018 12:24pm
    - realityczech
      
      AoR, well for Labour voting Doctors, and their Marketing girlfriends, with no kids, they can get a 4 bedroom house from Labour. No questions asked.
      
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      December 22, 2018 12:06pm
    - KevOB
      
      The women’s a lunatic–what does she eat for breakfast–mothballs? Surely she means intersexual mathematics such as:
      Sqrt((queermisgenderedmale)+2x(brown)(greeneyed)(lesbians))
      
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      December 22, 2018 4:48pm
starboard

And we also know with this one…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109557434/police-dog-stabbed-twice-in-the-head-by-alleged-burglar-in-northland
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December 22, 2018 10:55am
- DigNap15
  
  That guy should be left naked in a room with a 10 police dogs for a few days.
  And a few pit bull terriers.
  And film it and put it on Youtube.
  
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  December 22, 2018 12:50pm
- GoVege
  
  Beautiful heroic police doggy person!
  And why was this useless thief armed with a knife?
  Just hope the lowlife loser gets sentenced to years in jail for attempted murder of a police officer.
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:44pm
  - starboard
    
    Nah, Nil Ziland remember. The scum will probably be awarded something..cash payout yada yada..
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:54pm
  - Nermal
    
    I think they’ll throw the book at him. Gonna get home detention for sure
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:11pm
    - GazzaW
      
      No way Nermal. They will want to make an example of this one. Add 40 hours community service and for really good measure a restorative justice meeting.
      
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      December 22, 2018 8:40pm
The Heat

Tweet:

@TovaOBrien
19h19 hours ago

“The govt ends the year with a broken promise. Hundreds of pages of documents relating to Karel Sroubek released on Friday afternoon 2 days after parliament has risen. Jacinda Ardern promised to be the most open and transparent this govt – this is an utter farce”.

Oh dear. I fear our Tovs’ might be off the Christmas card list.
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December 22, 2018 11:44am
- waikatogirl
  
  About time someone in the msm asked some hard questions of our accidental PM. The chickens are starting to come home to roost ?????????
  
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  December 22, 2018 12:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    What Chickens?
    
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    December 22, 2018 12:05pm
    - holysheet
      
      The ones that float around hers and your space, in which the rest of us have a brain.
      
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      December 22, 2018 12:07pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Moving off the goats ya filthy perv
      
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      December 22, 2018 12:34pm
      - stigie
        
        Bugger me, what lube do you use for chickens Stiffy..?
        
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        December 22, 2018 12:59pm
- kowtow
  
  The boy reporter on tv1 covering that story yesterday also made a very pointed remark in respect of the massive Friday dump. Is the worm turning?
  
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  December 22, 2018 12:22pm
  - Paulus
    
    Nah – the media will come back roaring in the New Year after they have been talked to by Ardern’s PR mob along with threats of no photos of the baby.
    
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    December 22, 2018 2:05pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Probs a bit cross he got kept in when there were Christmas mince pies in the staff room.
    Churnalists only work 9-3 in NZ.
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:13pm
- niggly
  
  Yes yesterday’s Newshub at 6pm were getting stuck into Labour in essence about their “dishonesty” of running a so-called “open and transparent” govt.
  
  See the newsclip video segment (not so much the written article) especially towards the end:
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/government-dumps-sroubek-documents-on-friday-before-christmas.html
  
  So the COL in it’s wisdom have managed to do something that no other NZ government has ever done …… usually Christmas/New Year/January is a quiet time media/politics wise with virtually no hard stories in the MSM ……. looks like the summer recess will see further stories emerging undermining the credibility of the COL!
  
  You gotta hand it to Jacinda and Winnie … they deserve a clap for their incompetence, oops did I say clap, more like a slow-hand clap is what they deserve!
  
  So a toast to the COL – hip, hip, hypocrisy!
  
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  December 22, 2018 12:23pm
- Inandout
  
  Ah, the old story around a woman scorned.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:21pm
- KevOB
  
  Thanks Tova. It’s not going to get easier the COL only play dirty from underground. Your work is vital.
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:52pm
- GazzaW
  
  It’s all starting to turn to custard at exactly the right time. By the time Collins has ‘done a Curran’ on Twyford and the Labour grooming camp has featured in the District Court we’ll be on the downhill run to the election campaign.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:49pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Has anyone else been using Fastway Couriers, through Trademe, because I can tell you they simply don’t turn up, and are then uncontactable. Beware.

https://nz.trustpilot.com/review/fastway.co.nz

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/fastway-couriers-caught-camera-hurling-christmas-parcels-into-back-van
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December 22, 2018 12:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  They have been and always will be rubbish…
  
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  December 22, 2018 7:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s all the info in the Government Dump.
https://fyi.org.nz/request/8981-karel-sroubek#incoming-30969

Lots blacked out… but we’re all pretty good at reading between the lines now, so not a problem.
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December 22, 2018 12:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s some choice info in Pack A
  
  email from Immigration to Manager of Parole Board 21 March 2018.
  
  We have known about this fellow for some years and his convictions here in NZ certainly means that he falls within the deportation provisions of the Immigration Act.
  His case, however became derailed when he appealed his conviction to the Court of Appeal.
  
  …
  We only became aware earlier this month that the appeal had been dismissed in December last year.
  so the deportation procedure is now back on track.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Big blanked out bits.
    
    Gutless government, what would there be to hide?
    
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    December 22, 2018 7:38pm
Keeping Stock

Interesting rumour on Twitter this morning, from the bloke who broke the Labour sex camp story long before the media got hold of it.

Apparently Winston Peters is set to get a knighthood in the New Year’s honours after which he will be given a diplomatic posting and retire as an MP. Word is that he has annointed Fletcher Tabuteau and Tracey Martin to succeed him, and that Shane Jones is seriously pissed off, and threatening to split the NZF caucus.

Even if it’s not all true, it deserves to be, given the events of this week…
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December 22, 2018 1:00pm
- Manolo
  
  Will the venal Mr Peters auction himself off again? Yes, a thousand times!
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:10pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  He seems to have the good oil that lad on a few things.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:20pm
- Ross12
  
  If true KS then I do not see this Govt. lasting it’s full term.
  Peters is a lot of things but he is not stupid when it comes to political survival —he would have been doing a lot behind the scenes to hold this mess together. Without his wily cunning it will all fall apart.
  He must be seeing the writing on the wall and is taking opportunity to get off the ship.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:27pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Next govt would shit-can him. And might even use some of his past dodgy dealings (where’s the 158k gone?) to revoke his knigthood.
    
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    December 22, 2018 1:41pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That would mean a by-election in Northland. Can’t see it, as whoever stands in his place will lose to National.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He’s a List MP.
    Matt King (Nat) won Northland last election.
    
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    December 22, 2018 1:35pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Sorry Maggy, you’re so right.
      Left my brain at the club last night.
      
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      December 22, 2018 2:19pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        You wouldn’t be alone there Captain. The final Glenlivet did me in last night 🙂
        
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        December 22, 2018 5:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Moi aussi a ma maison.
        
        I need to hide the Jamesons. I did but found the Bombay Sapphire.
        
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        December 22, 2018 7:04pm
    - MH
      
      he’s listing to the horizontal.
      
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      December 22, 2018 5:33pm
- Tricati
  
  Hope its true – It would really be a very Merry Christmas.
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:42pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Oh please let it be so. Duelling chainsaws are easier on the ear than Tracey Martin. Apparently she’s a right bitch too.
  
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  December 22, 2018 2:05pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  A knighthood isn’t worth much if the lying traitor Peters can get one.
  
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  December 22, 2018 3:39pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Cullen?
    
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    December 22, 2018 4:03pm
- KevOB
  
  Good.
  Tabateau and Martin are nobodies although she has the voice of a harpy. This speaks of the demise of NZF.
  Winston needs to retire. His health and the body politic have had enough.
  Shane Jones is an enigma. He can be playful and he can be at time the best speaker in the House. When needed he speaks with knowledge, depth and wisdom. I suspect the occasional playfulness is a Polynesian characteristic prized in oratory. There is no one better able in the COL. National recognised his skills previously. Nga Puhi is bereft of leadership and Shane presents as a contender.
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Shane is lazy.
    Always has been.
    He reminds me of Lange… full of promise, but not prepared to do the hard yards.
    
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    December 22, 2018 7:28pm
    - KevOB
      
      I’m keeping an open mind on Shane. Your opinion is noted.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:25pm
Komata

Captain

Winnie wouldn’t care: He’s got the trinkets, done what he wanted to and will ride off into the sunset without looking back.
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December 22, 2018 1:38pm
- holysheet
  
  Winston was just waking up from anesthesia after surgery, and Jan was sitting by his side.
  
  His eyes fluttered open and he said: “You’re beautiful!” and then he fell asleep again.
  
  Jan had never heard him say that so she stayed by his side. A couple minutes later his eyes fluttered open and he said: “You’re cute!”
  
  Well, Jan was disappointed because instead of “beautiful” it was “cute.”
  
  She said: “What happened to ‘beautiful’?”
  
  He replied: “The drugs are wearing off!”
  
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  December 22, 2018 1:47pm
  - MH
    
    they ARE medicinal, I tell ya.
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:34pm
slightlyrighty

“Trump has re-founded ISIS”

A major network has just challenged Sarah Sanders at the Press Conference.

and it isn’t the Washington Post, NBC, or CNN.

It’s Fox News. And they’re bang on IMHO.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/109556984/he-just-refounded-isis-fox-news-attacks-donald-trump-over-us-troop-withdrawal-in-syria
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December 22, 2018 2:02pm
- realityczech
  
  What part of the USA is Syria?
  
  I have logged a fault with Google Earth.
  
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  December 22, 2018 2:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    Russia has already annexed part of Syria with a port at Lattakia in the Mediterranean and an air and military base.
    Assad was pushed aside physically recently by Putin’s aides when they both went to to Russian air base.
    
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    December 22, 2018 2:11pm
    - realityczech
      
      Utter bullshit. Just as they did not annex the Crimea, which had been Russian since the Crimean war.
      
      Take your anti Russian propaganda back to Nazi Germany.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Russian_sentiment
      
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      December 22, 2018 3:55pm
- Harriet
  
  Syria and Afghanistan troop withdrawals are not an issue. It’s getting privatised – Blackwater has been suggesting for the last year and said today they can do the job in Afghanistan with 6000 mercenaries and 2000 international SAS types. Far cheaper than what it currently costs and with MORE mercenaries. If it goes ahead it will actually be a ‘troop and mercenary’ withdrawal – although General Mattis said that it’s “Far easier to be the criminal in town than the policeman, and if the US government is putting it’s credibility on the line, then I don’t recommend it be privatised.”
  
  I’d imagine it will go ahead and the US will then take on Venezuela —-and the Russians who have just landed there in two nuclear capable bombers…….the commies are back on the continent! Pinochet 2. 😎
  
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  December 22, 2018 3:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Harriet , take on Venuzuala? Like Vietnam?
    
    Blackwater and their debacle Iraq 203 – ?
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisour_Square_massacre
    
    Your crazy!
    
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    December 22, 2018 3:38pm
    - Komata
      
      SB
      
      English not your first language then?
      
      (Asking for a friend).
      
      Thanks.
      
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      December 22, 2018 4:04pm
      - Manolo
        
        No, it isn’t. I suspect it is the nickname of a community of Arabic-speaking people with different education backgrounds.
        
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        December 22, 2018 4:32pm
    - gorse
      
      It’s you’re, not your.
      
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      December 22, 2018 5:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And, of course:
        It is Venezuela,
        and there is no space between the last letter and a punctuation mark.
        
        Alas,
        our Grammar, spelling and punctuation lessons seem to be too complex for the stephieboy franchise.
        
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        December 22, 2018 5:44pm
      - Nermal
        
        Maggy, didn’t you recognise this is the Stephie who regularly puts the space before the comma
        
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        December 22, 2018 6:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You’re stupid.
      
      So have we got the “moron” steffy logged in today?
      
      You continually assist National by taking a left wing position and then showing everyone how dumb both you and your position are.
      
      Keep it up, you’re more help top National than any add campaign.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      December 22, 2018 6:39pm
Jack5

Membership is dwindling in hundreds of community groups and clubs through New Zealand. Why?

An article in Stuff newspapers suggests that the internet is killing community clubs in NZ.

But could there be another cause – diversity?

Robert Putnam in his well known 2000 book, Bowling Alone, on declining civic engagement found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects.

In the most diverse communities, neighbours trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings.

Putnam, a Harvard sociologist, has since objected that his findings have been twisted and that there are also benefits of diversity.

1. An article summarising Putnam’s findings:

https://www.directory-online.com/Rotary/Accounts/6970/Downloads/4381/Bowling%20Alone%20Article.pdf

2. Stuff journo blames the internet:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109146425/is-the-internet-killing-community-clubs
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December 22, 2018 2:42pm
- realityczech
  
  Yes especially bad with closed off groups like orthodox Jews Jacksie.
  
  The contempt with which they treat locals is appalling, while back in Israel they spit on them and burn their churches.
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:09pm
  - Jack5
    
    ❗?KeaRealityczech, c’mon we know your Arab uncles go to the Orthodox Jewish knees-ups!?
    
    https://youtu.be/G-q4e_FDPWM
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Just like Clark, Goff and co spat on returning Vietnam vets?
    
    Just like maori spit on white people at Waitangi..
    
    Just like ardern the liar and wynston the thief spit on the whole of NZ.
    
    Why single Jews out…do you have a problem with them or are you just a bigot?
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:33pm
    - realityczech
      
      Why single Muslims out…do you have a problem with them or are you just a bigot?
      
      Now go sit in the corner and self-harm.
      
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      December 22, 2018 8:06pm
- Viking2
  
  Bowling clubs and golf clubs, racing clubs and others are declining because there are many more things that use up peoples time and many other entertainments. In the case of bowls many of the players now belong in retirement villages who mostly have their own greens.
  
  In the case of Lions Clubs, of which I was a member for 21 years, their reason for being was to assist others in the community by volunteering their time to help with projects and part of that help went into fundraising activities.
  Along came the pokie machines and lotto and subtly the requests changed from helping people and organizations to do things to constant requests just for money. Add the RMA which just made it too hard to do community construction (which have been taken over by councils using their contractors and ripping of the rate payers), Partners in Crime.
  
  So, coupled with the ever increasing demands on peoples time, 7 day trading, requests for money not time, the acceptance of women into clubs and the inability to recruit young people into the Lions Clubs, the clubs have either retrenched to a few oldies or like Round Table and Jaycee’s disappeared altogether.
  
  Mind you I would have to say that Drink Driving Laws helped in a big way to remove the camaraderie from the clubs as well. Lions used to be a huge force for good in our communities.
  
  The community is much the worse for their retrenchment.
  
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  December 22, 2018 6:00pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Drink driving has been the biggest factor but our social bowling club is booming.
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:35pm
DigNap15

Ardern does not like her job.
She is a politician and does not like the job
What an evil woman.

Earlier on Friday, Ms Ardern told RadioLive the lowlight of her year was “politics”.

“When you do this job, there’s the thing you get elected to do, the big challenges – then there’s things that kind of happen around the periphery. It’s part of the job, but they can be a bit of a distraction”.

Ardern, if you don’t like the job or cant do it properly then just resign and save us all the $500K.
Or did you think it would be all babies and kindness?
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December 22, 2018 2:51pm
- Longknives
  
  “When you do this job, there’s the thing you get elected to do, the big challenges – then there’s things that kind of happen around the periphery.”
  
  What like Drug dealers asking you to pull in a favour?
  
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  December 22, 2018 3:11pm
- Bill felt
  
  “Or did you think it would be all babies and kindness?”
  
  Actually I think she did think being PM would be about this! Hardcore socialist dreaming of Utopia but being hit with reality – naive!
  
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  December 22, 2018 3:41pm
- Manolo
  
  PM Ardern is incompetence personifed. She can resign the post and go home tomorrow morning, as far as I am concerned.
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:28pm
- KevOB
  
  Politics to Ardern = Opposition. She has the ideologues bulldozer instinct a.k.a Pommie unionist/commie etc.
  Non-sychophant advisors are not only worrying but detestable in her playroom.
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:35pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Earlier on Friday, Ms Ardern told RadioLive the lowlight of her year was “politics”.
  
  Er, yes. Jacinda Ardern is terrible at politics. That’s a good thing. People who are slick political operators are good at getting suckers to vote for them (John Key being a great example) but also achieve nothing of lasting significance (John Key being a great example). Ardern isn’t a slick political operator, and long may we continue to get prime ministers in that category.
  
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  December 22, 2018 6:41pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern the liar..suckers..well that’s you sorted.
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:20pm
cmm

You cannot combine open migration with the welfare state. Period.
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December 22, 2018 3:12pm
- Bill felt
  
  absolutely correct!
  
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  December 22, 2018 3:38pm
- Komata
  
  Cmm
  
  You actually CAN if you use the former as a weapon; think 1960’s Britain and the influx of emigrants from the old Empire – a deliberate policy by UK Labour to ensure that the Tories would never again be able to govern alone.
  
  They (UKLP) would also have a permanent, ever grateful, voter pool, so what was there not to like?
  
  The muslim invasion which followed that from the Empire, is essentially predicated on the same premise and for similar reasons.
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:10pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Sadly I think the mass immigration from the Old Empire happened much sooner than that, in the mid 50’s I think. To be bus drivers, hospital cleaners etc.
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:12pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Yep, and under the Tories
      
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      December 22, 2018 5:20pm
      - kowtow
        
        They were British subjects , the gubmint at the time couldn’t stop em. The ’62 Act was a Tory one to limit immigration and the ’68 Act was Labour supported by the Tories.
        
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        December 22, 2018 7:01pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Except of course you’re talking nonsense.
    
    “In 1962, the UK enacted the Commonwealth Immigrants Act, restricting the entry of immigrants,[19] and by 1972 only holders of work permits, or people with parents or grandparents born in the United Kingdom, could gain entry – effectively stemming most Caribbean immigration”
    
    The mass immigration from the caribbean took place in the 1950s which was, you guessed it, solidly controlled by the Conservatives.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_African-Caribbean_people#The_.22Windrush_generation.22
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:17pm
    - Viking2
      
      thank you MM.
      
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      December 22, 2018 6:04pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Same here really. We needed workers for low wages in factories so we imported Pacific Islanders on the “continuing residence scheme” whereby they gained PR in approx 5 years.
      
      The “overstayer clean up” that immigration started in the 70’s was hastily shut down due to the need for additional workers and the Employers Federation grizzling.
      
      Mainly under a National Government.
      
      So, National want to bring in workers for NZ, labour want to bring in bludgers who will become labour voters for the benefit of labour only.
      
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      December 22, 2018 6:30pm
- Nermal
  
  It’s working for the Swedish Socialist politicians
  
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  December 22, 2018 6:22pm
Longknives

I am losing my faith in Humanity.
Stuff are reporting a ‘Christmas Miracle’-
‘Kiwi Dad gives birth’

Jesus Wept….
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December 22, 2018 4:12pm
- cmm
  
  The Dad is proud of his daughter, but goes on to say they don’t believe in gender pronouns.
  
  Well if they don’t believe in gender pronouns then how about pregnant adult person gives birth to baby person.
  
  I guess there’s no media whoring in that!
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:53pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Or stupid person gave birth to a poor thing.
    
    @Whitemen matter
    Sponsored by
    @White men are superior to everything thing and everyone.
    Except when it comes to some sports and violence.
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    An evolutionary biologist at Williams College recently wrote on how the walls are closing in for those who want to teach science.
    
    The word “pregnant woman” is out: only “pregnant human” should be now used (after all, what if the pregnant individual goes by another pronoun?).
    
    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2018/11/29/a-williams-college-professor-describes-her-schools-fight-against-free-speech/
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:25pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      The growing belief within the humanities that words don’t actually have meanings is probably the biggest threat to the humanities ever, and funnily enough it comes from within the discipline, rather than from outside.
      
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      December 22, 2018 6:43pm
- kowtow
  
  The ODT is running the story .
  
  They are literally using Orwellian style newspeak. Using the plural for singular , instead of he or she.
  Madness.
  Are we meant to accept this as normal? Fucken loon media.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/baby-girl-scout-barbour-evans
  
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  December 22, 2018 4:53pm
- mandk
  
  OK, let’s get this straight.
  
  Men cannot give birth.
  Scout needed to stop taking male hormones in order to get pregnant and grow the baby.
  
  No matter what Stuff or the ODT or any other news medium cares to say, Scout is a woman.
  
  Moreover, she can’t change her XX chromosomes into XY chromosomes. So, she can pretend all she likes, but she is and always will be a woman.
  
  (This message was brought to you by COF: The Campaign for Objective Fact)
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:02pm
  - Longknives
    
    But the Left don’t ‘do’ Science…
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:10pm
    - KevOB
      
      The call it climateric change.
      
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      December 22, 2018 5:38pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Men cannot give birth”….
    
    Neither can virgins yet there’s a multi-national scam based on such an event that’s been conning the gullible for a couple of millennia.
    
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    December 22, 2018 5:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Virgin births are known in various animal groups.
      
      But how a virgin female could give birth to a male is a bit of a stretch.
      
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      December 22, 2018 5:53pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Maggy,
        
        Are you talking about parthenogenesis?
        
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        December 22, 2018 6:51pm
      - rangitoto
        
        It is said that the H in Jesus H Christ stands for haploid. Doesn’t explain the Y Chromosome though.
        
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        December 22, 2018 7:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Indeed, I was.
        
        Specifically.. those animals with a XY or XO sex-determination system.
        
        (Did you see my apology last night?
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/12/general_debate_21_december_2018.html#comment-2388332)
        
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        December 22, 2018 7:47pm
  - The Heat
    
    Reg: What?
    Stan: I want to be a woman. From now on I want you all to call me Loretta.
    Reg: What!?
    Stan: It’s my right as a man.
    Judith: Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
    Stan: I want to have babies.
    Reg: You want to have babies?!?!?!
    Stan: It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.
    Reg: But you can’t have babies.
    Stan: Don’t you oppress me.
    Reg: I’m not oppressing you, Stan — you haven’t got a womb. Where’s the
    fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?
    (Stan starts crying.)
    Judith: Here! I’ve got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can’t actually
    have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody’s fault, not even the
    Romans’, but that he can have the *right* to have babies.
    Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to
    have babies, brother. Sister, sorry.
    Reg: (pissed) What’s the *point*?
    Francis: What?
    Reg: What’s the point of fighting for his right to have babies, when he
    can’t have babies?
    Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
    Reg: It’s symbolic of his struggle against reality.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBAx8jbYNs
    
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    December 22, 2018 7:30pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Monty..woo hoo.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:09pm
- mandk
  
  I also wonder if the media would continue to fawn over Ms Barber-Evans if it became public knowledge that she is a co-contributor to the PAPA manifesto, which proposes this in the case of child sex abuse:
  
  “The other key responsibility of transformative justice collectives is, of
  course, intervention and mediation in specific instances of interpersonal
  harm in their communities. In the case of child sexual abuse, for example,
  the collective is called upon to consult with the perpetrator and victim, or
  a close family member to act as advocate if the victim is considered too
  young. The collective proposes that the parties come together for
  mediation, using this initial contact with perpetrator and victim to gauge
  the circumstances under which both parties would be comfortable doing
  so.
  What follows is a process resembling restorative justice, in which
  perpetrator and victim are brought together by the collective. Similar to
  restorative justice, this stage of the process involves a conversation in
  which the victim or their advocate explains to the perpetrator how their
  actions have affected them, and what the perpetrator needs to do to make
  amends.”
  Source: https://papa.org.nz/assets/bca4acc165/Abolitionist-Demands.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0WSuhMxPCizd_lHtsNj1w-RcD2m2INEYGBfzqlJ_uIiQbiTtTDPsOtdXU, page 34
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:18pm
  - Longknives
    
    So many of the confused/drug addled/mentally ill ‘Trans’ community are victims of Child Sexual abuse themselves.
    It astounds me that the Media celebrate them having children…(The stats don’t lie)
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And what a power imbalance.
      How can a child sex-abuse victim get any justice when they are forced to have a “conversation” with the perpetrator & mates?
      
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      December 22, 2018 7:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I’ve often found that a conversation sorts the issues out so you are wrong…
        
        I always take my mate Ball Peen to these conversations and I have always found satisfaction. Perhaps if you can be bothered you also can get this friend to assist you with personal conferences. I think he can be found in aisle 13 at Bunnings..sometimes.
        
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        December 22, 2018 9:14pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The Barbour-Evans person is a freak, a fuckwit and someone who should be ostracised by society rather than paraded as a hero.
    Rant over.
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:57pm
RRM

While PriNZess Jackshit needed to travel Air Force One style to APEC in an empty 757…

…92 year old QEII got her hat and coat, and took public transport to get out of town for XMAS.

https://www.etonline.com/queen-elizabeth-ii-takes-public-train-to-sandringham-for-christmas-116257
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December 22, 2018 4:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  That the difference between class and classless.
  
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  December 22, 2018 6:23pm
Wired-one

Duncan Garner has announced his politician of the year and “shock horror”, its Mrs Ed, who would’ve known…He states that she may be the most teflon coated PM we have had in decades and that “having her first child” was also a massive factor in his choice. Of course she’s teflon coated, you media wankers arent interested in making anything stick, and all because the lot of you are sycophantic lovers of the SLG and her baby. Try doing your job next year Garner you twat!
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December 22, 2018 4:42pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  A few months ago there was a clip on the TV news of a ‘prominent media personality’ leaving the court after appearing on a charge of domestic violence. It was about the time that Garner and his wife split up.
  Of course the face was fuzzed out but the body shape was quite Garner-like.
  Just reading between the lines ………….
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:22pm
WaveyDavey

Minimum wage increase.

“It’s only a dollar…”

Right, I know a business that employs 20 FTEs. So that’s $20 an hour or $800 a week. So (using a back of the fag packet calculation) this firm needs to sell an extra $2,400 of goods to cover this increase – $125,000 a year.

This is at the same time that their supplier costs are increasing to cover their min wage increases, fuel surcharges and increased compliance costs.

At the same time the average customer spend is falling because, guess what, they’re feeling the squeeze too.

So the firm is faced with 3 options – (1) accept the reduction in profitability, (2) reduce staffing or (3) sell the now poorer-performing business.

To offset the increased wage cost they would have to lose 3 employees which is what they’re doing in the short term.

In the longer term, they are in negotiations to sell the business (it’s a produce business) to someone who will be staffing it mainly with family members.

End result: at least 15 people losing their jobs and instead of paying some tax will now be paying none and taking more from the welfare cake.
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December 22, 2018 5:07pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and this is why firms automate more.
  And why call centres that were once flourishing are all moving back overseas.
  Take NZI for instance.
  They just moved their call centre overseas and the $4 an hour that Labour has promised people would just have re-inforced their decision.
  
  Woudl you rather have jobs or not?
  
  The best thing we can all do is to reduce our costs.
  Prices, margins, consultants, retailers, wholesalers, couriers, rent, rates, council costs etc etc.
  
  Then we will all be better off.
  
  You cannot just magic up prosperity Ardern. Little, Lees-Galloway and Robertson!
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:16pm
  - Viking2
    
    Just a continuation of Govt. economics learnt from Bolger, Clark, Key(who should have known better.)
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:10pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Nah, instead just pile on a CGT, to make small business owners decide they had better get out while they still can!
    
    And yes, even if the business is going backwards in real terms, inflation will give the government a ‘capital gain’ to cut a piece out of.
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:57pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    I was speaking to an otherwise intelligent family member who sadly stated “employers can afford to pay higher wages. They are all driving around in expensive cars and having long overseas holidays.”
    ?
    
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    December 22, 2018 7:08pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Do they think that business owners shouldn’t be “driving around in expensive cars and having long overseas holidays.”
      
      What’s the point of having the grief if you don’t reap the rewards?
      
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      December 22, 2018 7:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The politics of envy and hate.
      
      ardern the liar knows how to play to her audience.
      
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      December 22, 2018 8:55pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
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        December 22, 2018 10:38pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Clearly the down-voter believes that risk-takers should benefit no more than those who play it safe.
      
      Please tell us why those who risk their financial well-being to start a business shouldn’t be entitled to the rewards when it works out
      
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      December 22, 2018 10:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Happening all over the place, in all types of business.
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:33pm
  - Viking2
    
    Be tough down your way Maggie. Orchardists paying that to pick apples etc.
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:22pm
- Viking2
  
  sorry but you have not got this right.
  
  The increase is $1.20 per hour. add to that things like holiday Pay, sick pay and a thousand other entitlements and basically most people would add about 15 to 20 % just to cover the increase. so then that $1.20 becomes $1.38 – $1.44 and sometimes more.
  Some will say that it only affects the lower pays but it transfers through due to relativity.
  
  In my own case it will cost around $1400 per week which will require saving or increased incomes to the tune of $3200 per week. Going to be a tough to do as we don’t run with any fat in the system and we have competitive pressure via imports etc.
  
  Lots of businesses will find their profits going backwards. Recession on the way unless we get rid of these stupid socialists.
  
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  December 22, 2018 6:21pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Like I said – fag packet calculation.
    
    But yes, this business has variable margins – anywhere between 5% and 60% so I picked $1 and 33% to use as an illustration.
    
    The reality is that they would probably need to find and extra $200,000+ a year to stand still at a time where their costs are skyrocketing thanks to knock-on effects and Akl bloody council.
    
    Also at the same time the local roads are being fecked about with and parking reduced which has led to a massive reduction in customer numbers.
    
    Frankly to be as profitable as previous years revenue needs to increase by about $1/2m and that ain’t happening.
    
    This will end up as a family business with bugger all wages or income tax being paid – there’s no other way to make it work.
    
    This is the new reality for the non-supermarket food business.
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:36pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    BTW Family members…
    
    no wages, no Kiwisaver, no sick pay, no holidays, no stat days, no limits to hours worked, no h&s, no unions, no fixed breaks, no HR…
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:34pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And fellow immigrants, who play by different rules.
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:38pm
DigNap15

We used to have five or six large super yacht builders here building boats for overseas customers. Based on our yachting prowess.
Each one employed lots of people in trades and design etc. Good well paying jobs.

But due to our huge wage rises over the last 10 years, they have all disappeared.
So that’s less jobs, less exports and less and tax paid.
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December 22, 2018 5:22pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  What huge wage rises? And if these were well-paying jobs, how did rises in the minimum wage rate affect them? And, where did these well-paid jobs go to, that has such lower wage rates for “well-paid jobs” than NZ does?
  
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  December 22, 2018 6:47pm
  - KevOB
    
    Ask GR he understands these things.
    
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    December 22, 2018 7:28pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Good one, 10 points to you.
      
      GR understands what side of his bread is buttered and who is buttering it.
      
      All heil wynston the short brown arsehole.
      
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      December 22, 2018 8:42pm
starboard

Groooan..have to return to NZ on Monday for a month. No wana go.
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December 22, 2018 5:40pm
- Longknives
  
  Come back and have one last Christmas in the NZ you remember Starboard!
  Thanks to Jacinda and Winston we will be flooded by shitbag boat people in the next few years..
  Within a decade we will have Sharia ‘No Go’ zones and innocent people getting mowed down by ‘Allahu Akbar’ trucks etc etc
  
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  December 22, 2018 6:05pm
  - Longknives
    
    That was a pretty conservative estimate- Probably closer to 4 or 5 years…
    (Emergency Services already have ‘No Go’ streets in Auckland..)
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:17pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Including the Mt Roskill street that Stephiestan lives in.
      
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      December 22, 2018 7:15pm
  - marcw
    
    We already have the “diversity” bollards along the front of Parliament buildings. Expect to see an exponential growth in the business of installing them everywhere in NZ.
    
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    December 22, 2018 7:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  Come home and bring some good shit with you. Share it with ardern the liar and you’re set for life, it just may be inside somewhere you don’t like if she bails on you.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:51pm
MH

sad to see not one frosted window in downed town Queen St, no plods on the street to remind beggars they can’t be loosers in the closed alleyways of shops undergoing re-vamping. Was it the Canterbury arcade empty and chained off? Not even a signs of a sign-writer in the whole of Auckland, even the Chinese shoppers and shop attendants must be disappointed…..not even tinsel drawn on advertising junk mail… still there’s Franklin St to wander down. OOPs there was Santa above the old Whitcombe and Tombs (now buried above by Farmers )….yes folks Queen ST farmers are in town… merry… don’t say it,there’s still 2 more shoplifting days till you know….you remember, he died for all our signs.
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December 22, 2018 5:56pm
- starboard
  
  Oh well..Happy Holidays anyway.
  
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  December 22, 2018 5:59pm
  - MH
    
    perhaps in some quite place we could sing Him Happy Birthday instead ?
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:03pm
  - stigie
    
    You haven’t been invited to Milky’s mothers place for Christmas dinner have you starboard..?
    
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    December 22, 2018 6:07pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stigie:
      
      I think you meant to put quotes around “Christmas dinner” so we know it’s a euphemism?
      
      I remember some TV ad years ago where a guy was dropping off his girlfriend. She asks him in a seductive way: “Would you like to come in for a … coffee”? He looks anguished, and after a momentary pause says: “No”. Then he goes off to some petrol station (Bean Café or something? I can’t recall exactly) to get a real coffee.
      
      So, yes, “Christmas dinner” at Mikey’s mum’s place it is!
      
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      December 22, 2018 6:15pm
      - nasska
        
        In moderation. Bugger!
        
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        December 22, 2018 6:22pm
      - stigie
        
        Now you know im not the sharpest knife in the draw Nostra but far from being a sandwich short of a picnic.
        My punctuation can be a disgrace but hopefully better than Philu’s….eh….?
        
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        December 22, 2018 6:22pm
    - starboard
      
      Bah, she burnt the turkey last year ..pissed off her nut. Too much egg nog. Milky had one cherry brandy then walked into the door. DFJ turned up just as I was leaving, I think I’ll pass.
      
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      December 22, 2018 6:18pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        What’s your backup plan, Starboard? Roast dinner at Stephieboy’s place? I’d suggest not having a picnic lunch on the Hagley Park lawn this year. Dad has scared off all the riff-raff, so you wouldn’t have any company… during the day at least!
        
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        December 22, 2018 6:21pm
      - starboard
        
        Good idea. I will get a large leg of pork and go and see him/her/they.
        
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        December 22, 2018 6:24pm
      - starboard
        
        I tried getting the dole in Thailand..all they gave me was a pineapple.
        
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        December 22, 2018 8:47pm
nasska

There once was a scientist doing an experiment on the reaction of fleas. He had trained a flea to jump on command. The scientist would say to the flea “jump flea” & the flea would jump.

Then the scientist would proceed to pull off one of the flea’s many legs with a pair of tweezers & write a comment in his notebook about the distance the flea would jump.

The scientist did this many times until the flea had only one leg left. The scientist said “jump flea” & the flea made its best effort to jump which the scientist recorded in his notebook.

After he pulled off the last leg the scientist commanded the flea to jump & after repeating the order many times without the flea responding he jotted down in his notebook: “After the flea loses all of its legs it becomes completely deaf”.

And that’s how Nobel prizes are won & climate scientists are trained.
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December 22, 2018 6:05pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Absolutely! I read somewhere that arguing that the increased CO2 warming was heating the oceans. A very sage rebuttal suggested heating bath water using a heater in the bathroom. He further calculated that for the atmosphere to heat the sea by the observed amount, it would need to get to about 4000 degrees C. Climate scientists, for some reason have forgotten about the sun…..
  
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  December 22, 2018 7:21pm
  - nasska
    
    Climate science is just another example of belief triumphing over logic. By 2030 they’ll be sacrificing live virgins on mountaintops to appease the God of Carbon.
    
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    December 22, 2018 7:30pm
Komata

nasska

Thank you; I would suggest tht there are certain similarities to the COL….

(Just saying)
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December 22, 2018 6:21pm
gump

In just one month Trump has:

1. Disrupted global trade
2. Crashed the US stockmarkets
3. Shutdown 25% of the US Federal Government

It’s been a busy month. So much winning. LOL.
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December 22, 2018 6:55pm
- Inandout
  
  And Michelle Obama has written a book on trannies.
  
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  December 22, 2018 7:32pm
- Komata
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:14pm
- Komata
  
  gump
  
  And in the same month, the Democrats have done…?
  
  Tell us what your evident-heroes have done in the same period.
  
  What’s good for the goose is equally good for the gander, so please, entlighten us; ‘tit for tat’ and all that.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:16pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  But I thought capitalism was a bad thing. Jacinda says it’s failed us.
  
  Surely you should be celebrating the above?
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  And ardern the liar has…
  
  destroyed our relationship with the US
  
  destroyed our relationship with Australia
  
  destroyed out ability to protect our own borders
  
  destroyed business confidence within New Zealand
  
  and what’s worse, continued to fund a worthless piece of shit like you.
  
  So, who’s worse..Trump a man who tries to keep his election promises..or ardern the liar who does…fuckall…..?
  
  Now, it’s nearly Christmas so…fuck off 😉
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:37pm
Nostradamus

The Australian Federal Police, like the New Zealand Police, thinks that making videos is more important than catching scumbags:

A Christmas video filmed by the Australian Federal Police has gone viral, thanks to its take on a scene from the hugely popular movie Love Actually.
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In the vision, an officer uses cue cards to tell a woman how he really feels – just like the 2003 movie. But unlike the Love Actually version … the officer expresses his love for Australia and our way of life. The officer goes on to list things Aussie hate – including paying for tomato sauce, before his note card reads: “We are committed to keeping you safe from all these things”. “Because for you Australia, it’s worth it. Merry Christmas.”
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December 22, 2018 7:50pm
- Tall Man
  
  Mike Bush Police force…….
  
  Pathetic but culturally sensitive.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:33pm
nasska

“Oh Mary, you’re pregnant! That’s wonderful! And I’m not the father but that’s okay, because God is? Awesome!”

I love naivety plays.
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December 22, 2018 8:23pm
- realityczech
  
  Can’t of been easy back then, being the son of an unmarried harlot. No wonder little Jesus turned out gay.
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:43pm
starboard

…and one makes 400.
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December 22, 2018 8:43pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Starboard:
  
  I thought Clarke Gayford boasted about hundreds of conquests in a YouTube video, so 400 seems a bit on the low side?
  
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  December 22, 2018 8:46pm
  - nasska
    
    …..” Clarke Gayford boasted about hundreds of conquests”…..
    
    And look at what he ended up with. Who says that the sin of promiscuity doesn’t involve punishment? 🙂
    
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    December 22, 2018 8:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      To the unmarried and widows I say that it is best for them to remain as I am. But if they do not have self-control, let them get married. For it is better to marry than to burn with sexual desire.
      -Paul/Saul
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:13pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      And look at what he ended up with
      
      It’s interesting that you said “what” rather than “who”! 🙂
      
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      December 22, 2018 9:15pm
RF

Greetings from the top island. Went to a clients BBQ today and had a great time. Many attending were your average Kiwi trying to run a small business and survive.

Interesting that the worm has turned against Ardern & Peters. Apart from Ardern being described a burbling airhead and playing second fiddle to Peters the main discussion was about Peters being a two faced bag of shit who has sold his soul to the devil.

From what I heard today Peters will be history as he has pissed many of his former supporters off.

National just has to sort out their leadership issues. Simon is still popular but has yet to gain full trust.
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December 22, 2018 9:05pm
- realityczech
  
  By “popular” you mean 7%
  
  You need to get some new friends.
  
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  December 22, 2018 9:06pm
  - realityczech
    
    Labour will rule as long as smug Bridges, and his entourage of sour faced old bats, front the National Party.
    
    KB is the watering hole of the National Party lunatic fringe. Evidenced by the fact that at 7% most National supporters can’t stand Bridges.
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:21pm
    - Komata
      
      Rc
      
      So why do you bother coming here then?
      
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      December 23, 2018 6:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ha ha ha. Love it. Your fear of Simon is palpable..that means really strong almost edible.
    
    I was a fan of Sir John Key because he was a personable but smart man/woman manager but was well aware that Sir William English was the fiscal brain behind the scene.
    
    Simon Bridges appears to be the full package, awesome in the house and an excellent manager of a really strong and ambitious team.
    
    You are wise to fear him but like the rest of your stupid coalition you have no idea or ability to counter him.
    
    Bye bye coalition…
    
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    December 22, 2018 9:42pm
- KevOB
  
  The PM is learning on the job why shouldn’t Simon?
  Simon is showing he is PM in waiting.
  
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