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Southern Raider

Mr Jones invests our money in stating a new mine on the West Coast

Does Jimmy Two Mums know about this?
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December 1, 2018 8:04am
- pdm
  
  Jones has to because mine companies will not be stupid enough to risk their own money knowing this government is likely to close them down on a whim.
  
  Better to risk/waste taxpayers money.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:04am
  - Jack5
    
    Is that the plan to mine garnet?
    
    Garnet? This is very common – you pick it up on riverbeds and on the shore, so it won’t be for gem value.
    
    Garnet is used in abrasives and water jet cutting, but the NZ demand would be modest. Is there a world export market for this common mineral?
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:26am
    - GazzaW
      
      There’s got to be a market if the product is subsidised by our cash. I would dearly love to follow the money trail on this venture. Could well be worth an OIA at a later date.
      
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      December 1, 2018 9:35am
      - Southern Raider
        
        You can guarantee there will be no audit or review after the fact.
        
        Jones claims 50 you jobs
        
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        December 1, 2018 10:36am
- Liberty
  
  Labour and its lick-spittals are slow learners
  
  Yesterday the Prime Minister and Shane Jones took the Provincial Growth Fund gravy train to the West Coast, where they announced $140 million in taxpayer-funded handouts – including money for luxury spa facilities, a mining venture, a dairy business, and a premium train carriage for ‘high net-worth’ tourists.
  Once again Labour is looking after its friends. What Ayn Rand called “Looters” in her book Atlas Shrgged.
  It’s all been done before and it failed.
  In 1972/73, Kevin Meates, a Christchurch businessman and friend of then Labour Prime Minister Norman Kirk, established Matai Industries as a regional development initiative, believing that the government would provide subsidies and other support for the project. Two directors were appointed by the Government and one by the Opposition, the Opposition nominee being National MP Robert Muldoon. In November 1973 Matai Industries opened four factories on the West Coast producing woodware, metalware and plastics in Rūnanga, Greymouth Reefton and Westport. The Rūnanga Miners’ Hall was one venue given a new lease of life; interestingly Greymouth’s Regent Theatre and Reefton’s Criterion Theatre were other Matai Industries conversions.
  However, following a dispute about the actual nature of any government support, Matai Industries was placed into receivership in 1975.
  http://runangaminershall.org.nz/history/
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:04am
  - gump
    
    I’m no fan of Shane Jones or his ridiculous pork-barrel politics.
    
    But Ayn Rand was a lady who spent her life complaining about socialism before signing up for Social Security and Medicare in the years before her death.
    
    A philosopher who didn’t want to live according to the rules of her philosophy. There’s a word to describe that…
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:01pm
    - GoVege
      
      Rand makes me want to apologize for being a woman… 🙂
      
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      December 1, 2018 1:56pm
    - Liberty
      
      Gump if Rand had not been forced to pay into social security you would have a point.
      Rand was right about “looters” and under this current appalling
      administration the economy is a happy hunting ground for “looters”
      From building train tracks to nowhere (Gisborne). Trains when there is no passengers (Winter Kaikoura) Winstons friends with pretty horses. Then there is kiwibuild.
      
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      December 1, 2018 2:32pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You were doing well until you mentioned Ayn Rand. Jesus Christ, man—Enid Blyton has more credibility than Ayn Rand. This guy has more credibility than Ayn Rand….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4KTboqV_-o
    
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    December 1, 2018 4:18pm
    - Jack5
      
      ? Occasionally I have to agree with Morrisey Breen.
      
      Ayn Rand, born Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum, mentally was totally unzipped. If she had stayed in Russia she could have become a leading Marxist theorist, steering the Soviets into a Red form of Scientology.
      
      Rand would have done even better in Communist China dreaming of, or even building, ghost cities that stand largely unused.
      
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      December 1, 2018 9:05pm
      - realityczech
        
        You bloody Nazi Jacksie !
        
        I nearly vomited with offendedness over that anti semitic rant.
        
        I am surprised your sidelocks didn’t burst into flames.
        
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        December 1, 2018 9:16pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Love ya Jack!
        
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        December 1, 2018 9:45pm
Notsofast

The motive the police concocted for the Lundy murders is absolute nonsense.

It was Christine who convinced Mark that to get the rootstock supplier/business partner’s invoices was okay and most of the GST went to help with this vendor and the operation generally. The land from 2 vendors was well priced, it was sold later for much more. 2000 was a great time to establish a vineyard in New Zealand, and accordingly the prospectus for investors was a thoroughly responsible document, but there is nothing unusual for people to hesitate, and they missed an opportunity. Most people prefer to control their own investments, and will hesitate where a sink salesman is driving it. Fair enough. Given the land was worth more at the time of the murders than the unconditional contracts represented, and Mark knew this, he had no reason to embark on the dumbest criminal act in New Zealand history (had he in fact been the murderer). And he went unconditional on the land against his better judgement because his lawyer was in rehab in Hanmer Springs, out of contact, with the rootstock supplier/ business partner pressuring him.

Then as has been pointed out, 40 is the time the thugs are tired of the mayhem and hopelessness of violence and failure, this is not the time a small business man will embark on this path particularly with no motive whatsoever.

He didn’t

What did happen is the rootstock supplier/business partner owed a lot of money, 700k when bankrupted later. Note above Christine gave him most of the GST, 60k, she received on the invoice basis from the IRD. Why did he need it and what did he do with it? These are the questions the police should have asked, and should still be asking. Is there not one curious cop out there who can see through this Lundy charade? New Zealand deserves such a brave man in our midst, a man prepared to speak out and do some sensible investigating.

As always, I have full proof and documentation for everything I post on Kiwiblog.
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December 1, 2018 8:05am
- Southern Raider
  
  Please can we give it a break
  
  Lundy is a dick and no one cares
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:07am
  - Notsofast
    
    They will take your daughter next. Then you will care.
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:20am
    - calendar girl
      
      When is PM Ardern going to sort out her useless Minister of Immigration, Iain Lees Galloway?
      
      Her fairy god-mother, Helen Clark, would have had Lees Galloway down the road well before now. But Clark (the former PM, not Gayford) had solid political instincts, not merely the naive aspirations of the International Union of Socialist Youth.
      
      When can our country expect to have a Leader with a solid background of occupational experience, growth and achievement? The present incumbent has shown that her youthful veneer is no substitute for having genuine leadership credentials.
      
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      December 1, 2018 8:35am
    - calendar girl
      
      When is PM Ardern going to sort out her useless Minister of Immigration, Iain Lees Galloway?
      
      Her fairy god-mother, Helen Clark, would have had Lees Galloway down the road well before now. But Clark had solid political instincts, not merely the naive aspirations of the International Union of Socialist Youth.
      
      When can our country expect to have a Leader with a solid background of occupational experience, growth and achievement? The present incumbent has shown that her youthful veneer is no substitute for having genuine leadership credentials.
      
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      December 1, 2018 8:37am
- harvey wilson
  
  Oh cool, another Notsofast diatribe about a man who butchered his family and celebrated by shagging a hooker. Didn’t see that coming.
  
  Ok everyone , usual policy applies . Downtick it so it disappears .
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:12am
  - Notsofast
    
    It can still be read and will be. There is a small coterie of admirers lapping up the facts. Maybe someone will explain to the police what really happened.
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:21am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Well stop posting anonymously be that man… or better still, shut up and fuck off.
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:12am
  - Notsofast
    
    You put your name in the media Mr or Ms C-mon
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:22am
Southern Raider

So Cindy’s latest scheme to give farmers could breach WTO rules and enable our competitors to apply tariffs to our export products

Oops
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December 1, 2018 8:05am
JibberJabber

I must confess I`m a little surprised at the leniency shown to this weasel,
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12168447
Usually when one of their own is affected the hammer comes down.
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December 1, 2018 8:06am
- harvey wilson
  
  I’m surprised too to be honest. Bizarre
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:13am
- Inandout
  
  JJ, perhaps the bench dwellers were stunned that one of their own was affected, given they usually escape involvement. The real change however comes from parliament, and with 120 MPs statistically they or their families will not escape crime. As we have seen in the UK example, MPs are a gutless lot who are so easily silenced when Muslims threaten death or violence.
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:21am
  - igm
    
    Inandout: Good to see the paedophile Muslim deity did not do much for this vile Islamist:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/combat-sports/109014477/jeff-horn-finishes-anthony-mundines-career-with-first-round-tko
    May he get to hell out of boxing and concentrate on his floor kissing at a mosque!
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:43am
    - Inandout
      
      igm: This idiot Mundine is obviously confused. Christian colonisation has nothing on Islamic invasion worldwide.
      
      ‘Anthony claims that this confusion led him to Islam, and states that after three years of reading the Koran, he correctly identified the divine creator as the Muslim God Allah. Anthony claims to have abandoned Christianity because of its association with colonization’.
      
      Islam seems to attract the insane.
      
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      December 1, 2018 9:03am
      - Jack5
        
        Yep Mundine’s ignorant of Islam’s spread through the Middle East, across North Africa, and into parts of Europe and central Asia by military invasion and convert-or-die proselytisation.
        
        Was Mundine responsible for converting Sonny Bill?
        
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        December 1, 2018 9:29am
      - igm
        
        Mundine has also converted SBW, even borrowing a million dollars which SBW says Muslim brothers do . . . fucken losers!
        
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        December 1, 2018 9:50am
      - sooty
        
        Mundine handed his arse in 96 seconds, in what was going to be his last fight!
        
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        December 1, 2018 10:48am
      - realityczech
        
        Islam is disgusting because it is the closest Abrahamic religion to Judaism. The differences are minor.
        
        A religious and conservative Jew and Muslim agree on every issue of substance.
        
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        December 1, 2018 12:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        And the serially seriously concussed…
        
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        December 1, 2018 1:58pm
- peterwn
  
  “Usually when one of their own is affected the hammer comes down.”
  That would be highly improper and the DCJ would be most careful to not being influenced by the victim’s position and the victim would accept this too. However ‘the hammer would come down’ if the offence had something to do with the judge’s official duties.
  He was charged under s189(2) of Crimes Act, maximum 5 years jail but no ‘strike’ (because presumably there was no intent to cause the injuries, just reckless disregard). I would have thought that 6 months home detention would have been a more appropriate penalty. He is effectively banned from some overseas travel eg Australia or Canada.
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:45am
  - KevOB
    
    Fair enough.
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:40am
- backster
  
  Was restorative justice offered?
  
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  December 1, 2018 7:56pm
Scott

According to the American media the Mueller investigation is in it’s final stages now they have written answers from the president.
Who believes that Mueller will find anything? Does anyone still believe that Trump is a manchurian candidate, a traitor to his country, that used Russian interference to swing the election away from Hillary Clinton?

CNN and other mainstream media will look pretty silly when they find no collusion after covering nothing else but Russia for 2 years.
I would like to say they will be embarrassed. But actually they don’t care about being truthful or accurate.
The only thing they care about is bringing down the duly elected president of the United States and making the world safe for liberal Democrats.
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December 1, 2018 8:07am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Hillary still does not think she lost – still blaming the Russians. In Canada speeches by her and Bill are going down the tube. Seats selling as low as $5 and venues 83% empty. She’s a fucked unit and will not admit it
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:19am
  - JibberJabber
    
    That bloody body brace she`s wearing makes her look like one of the Daleks out of a bad Dr Who episode.
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:35am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Just like Hilary, Daleks can’t climb stairs either
      
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      December 1, 2018 8:48am
      - Biscuit
        
        Paulus, I imagine Bill would be pretty disappointed that Hillary likely can’t kneel, either…
        
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        December 1, 2018 8:54am
    - KevOB
      
      Does she still still have her neurologist full time?
      I didn’t know she had been braced up. Has she had a stroke or damage in a fall?
      
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      December 1, 2018 10:41am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        She’s just a leftie with a wishbone instead of a backbone
        
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        December 1, 2018 3:23pm
Sofia

Phil Twyford, in housing and transport infrastructure, and Shane Jones, in forestry, have both issued such a plethora of statements and claims and named so many various agencies, that no one can really follow now what they are doing and ascertain any level of progress or success.

It may seem as simple as Shane Jones saying –
“This year we exceeded the planting goal, with over 60 million trees planted”
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/377172/government-to-invest-118m-in-tree-planting

But forestry, “pre-Shane”, used to annually replant about 50 million trees.
Is Shane counting those in his total?
So 60 million less the usual “private” 50 million means Shane may have only planted about 10 million at the most?

Just as Phil Twyford is buying into developments that are not of Kiwibuild origin, is Shane Jones counting every new tree he sees as one of his own?

60 million trees extra should take up about 600 square kilometres – roughly cleared before planting.

48,000 hectares of forest planting is estimated for 2016, an increase of 3,052 hectares from 2015 plantings, and 2,658 hectares above the harvested area in the year to March 2016
https://www.nzfoa.org.nz/resources/publications/facts-and-figures

On the above figures, while 48,000 hectares were planted for 2016, they apparently whacked down 45,342 hectares.

So if Shane insists on stealing “private” numbers, he can surely take only about 3,000 hectares or roughly 3 million “private” trees.
And “re-plants” is the operative word (or words) – forestry re-plants just a few percent more than they chop down.

Would Shane be better as Minister of Immigration, where you seemingly need not be bothered by the facts?

Like, “Planting 100 million trees per year in a Billion Trees Planting Programme” – Coalition agreement between the New Zealand Labour Party & New Zealand First Party
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December 1, 2018 8:10am
- G152
  
  Shane should first make sure the land is cleared before he even thinks of planting or do those ground up seedlings also count in his wanky world ?
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:28am
  - Happychappy
    
    The only way Shane Jones and the Coalition will be able to plant a billion trees is to make the unemployable work for the dole and then they will struggle. Can anyone make a statement of any notable achievement that Shane Jones has implemented in his time as a MP apart from trying to rip off the taxpayer for his appetite for porn and not winning a seat in Parliament by being elected by the public.
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:40am
    - Westie Bob
      
      The reclassification of the marijuana plant as a tree is going to solve the billion trees and the unemployment issues.
      
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      December 1, 2018 9:36am
    - artemisia
      
      The unemployable working? Whether for the dole or something more. Have pity on the employers who have to deal with high maintenance ‘workers’. Management costs will skyrocket as supervision increases and paperwork and time – to performance manage, train, retrain, reretrain, fire, hire – goes through the roof.
      
      When I say ‘have to deal with’, well guess what. They will very politely decline and hire from the islands. Unless they are hiring rellies. In which case, if it costs more they will be hitting up Mr Jones for more money.
      
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      December 1, 2018 9:40am
      - GazzaW
        
        He admitted in Parliament on Thursday that he has been unable to ‘get the nephs off the couch’ (his words) and that the tree planting scheme will be a part of the Pacific Islands aid programme in providing work for Melanesians. How does that equate with Peters’ promises to cut immigration on the one hand and slash unemployment in the regions on the other?
        
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        December 1, 2018 10:02am
      - GoVege
        
        Can’t “get the nephs off the couch”?
        Has he tried cancelling their bennies?
        
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        December 1, 2018 2:02pm
    - DigNap15
      
      He wont be able to get his cousie bros to do the work.
      So he will be importing Melanesians.
      
      So they need to stop paying the cousins the dole and the dpb.
      And leave them to themselves. (and watch the world go by)
      
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      December 1, 2018 3:13pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    It is a bit like my Amazon delivery, on the tracking it showed as delivered 3 days before it actually turned up in the delivery box. So in Shane’s mind the trees have been planted because he said so and wrote it down and ticked the box.
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:19am
  - tf78
    
    I would still like proof that those seedlings ever existed – why on earth would you mulch them as they are still growing and could be planted elsewhere. Sounds like a big fat con job to me.
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:10am
- Southern Raider
  
  I see he has given up trying to get his cousins to plant trees and has turned to the productive sector to get the job done via subsidies to farmers
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:59am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Also importing labour so that they can teach his local nephews how to work, sorry how to do the job.
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:17am
  - Sofia
    
    Or, Southern Raider, there is this bit –
    The Provincial Growth Fund initiative will set aside $118 million for the planting and establishing of trees.
    Another $120m is being committed to research initiatives that help reduce the barriers to tree planting.
    
    It will be interesting to see what initiatives are found “in how to do something” that will cost more than what is spent “in actually doing it”.
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:20am
- Felt
  
  Speech from the throne:
  
  ” This government is committed to a new planting programme, planting 100 million trees a year to reach a billion more trees in ten years.”
  
  “a billion more trees” the standard commercial forestry replant programme does not supply “MORE” trees!
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:20am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Are Shane’s trees all for future harvest or are non-forestry planting, such as the natives along the sides of motorways included when Shane tots up his tree numbers? After all, he counted the 2 or 3 he helped plant in a school’s grounds.
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:36am
    - KevOB
      
      Does the planting include resulting suckers are well?
      
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      December 1, 2018 10:47am
    - Jack5
      
      Regardless of views on native trees, they are too slow growing to be worth planting for harvesting value.
      
      Pinus radiata timber is pretty much for the bottom of the market.
      
      Foresters are, or were, however, growing eucalyptus in Southland for chipping and use in high-grade papers.
      
      There must be lots of other tree types around the world that entrepreneurial folk could grow in NZ for higher returns than from radiata pine, which largely is exported in logs, with no value added. When milled in Asia, the timber mainly goes into low-value products such as crates for export goods.
      
      After planting, Melanesians will be brought back for pruning, then not too much later brought back permanently to provide cheap labour for felling and any milling.
      
      Temporary labour schemes of the Melanesian-NZ type almost always turn into permanent settlement, as with Mexicans in California and Turks in Germany.
      
      On the face of it the Melanesian temporary worker scheme looks to be a worthwhile form of foreign aid, but beware of any scheme that comes from UN bureaucrats, as this one does. Those guys want to erode national borders, especially those of Western countries.
      
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      December 1, 2018 1:04pm
  - artemisia
    
    We are repeatedly told that the speech from the throne is one of the founding coalition documents. ‘More’ sounds like the basis for questions.
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:42am
- Viking2
  
  He probably adds in all the trees farmers are planting along streams etc and the ones NZTA plant along motorways.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:51am
Manolo

stephieboy, pious and faithful Muslim, is a little concerned:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/745522/saudi-arabia-mohammed-bin-salman-coup-military-g20-riyadh-crown-prince

MbS has left the capital Riyadh to head for the G20 summit in Argentina amid rumours members of the royal family are plotting to unseat him.

Soldiers and weapons have been redeployed from eastern and western Saudi Arabia to the capital as the Crown Prince to heads aboard.
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December 1, 2018 8:12am
- harvey wilson
  
  Quick question, is this Stephieboy?
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stefonknee-wolschtt-transgender-father-leaves-family-in-toronto-to-start-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html%3famp
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Good Gracious, You wouldn’t read about it, would you?
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:19am
    - G152
      
      Ah but you just did …\
      And more is coming
      
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      December 1, 2018 8:29am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    FITH and so is the adoptive family. Got a dick? you’re a male, no dick, you’re female.
    46 year old male becomes a 6 year old girl? my left tit
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:27am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Stephieboy lives as a 6 year old but still drives a car? Ffs make up your mind.
      
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      December 1, 2018 8:38am
    - tf78
      
      I saw a great sign on public toilets – “BALLS” / “NO BALLS”, couldn’t be clearer to me.
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:13am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Could be worse and want to be a baby in nappies, we shall wait for the next devolution.
      As for his enablers, how fucking ridiculous.
      
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      December 1, 2018 2:11pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Pedophile in action…..
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:36am
  - softail 1450
    
    H W,Google Mark Dice ,he did a hilarious piece on that madness a while back…..
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:48am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Good Grief,
    6’2” , 46 years old, born male thinks he’s a 6 year old girl. Hmm.
    Clearly needs to be in a home for the bewildered, and his adoptive family need to be charged for whatever perversion they’re enabling.
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:49am
    - Longknives
      
      The story doesn’t make mention of the bedroom arrangements.
      This is clearly a sexual fetish..
      
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      December 1, 2018 10:36am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Well, he seems to have Pootsie on his side, lol:
  
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/30/saudi-crown-prince-gets-high-five-handshake-putin-g-20/2161307002/
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:22am
Chuck Bird

Has anyone read this article by this anonymous left-wing editorial writer.? The writer plays down the proven assault by Fightery but believes the allegation of an unhappy staffer. The reality is that all political parties have staffers doing party work. This could be just a disgruntled staffer making this claim.

National has the same problem as the GOP in the US will a left-wing media.

Former staff accuse National MP Maggie Barry of bullying

National MP Maggie Barry has been twice investigated over bullying claims this year – including accusations she expected staff to do political party work on taxpayer time, which would be unlawful.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/12/general_debate_1_december_2018.html#comments
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December 1, 2018 8:29am
- alloytoo
  
  This is a convenient squirrel intended to make us forget how firmly the PM and DPM backed ILG.
  
  Straight from the Orwellian play book.
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:35am
- kevn
  
  @Chuck…. Classic red herring headlines.
  Distraction is the name of the game.
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:41am
- MCos
  
  There is a NZ Herald article on this topic written by Derek Cheng & Kirsty Johnson. Is that the one you are referring to?
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:59am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Kirsty Johnson the 12 year old “journalist” who writes endless articles about how wonderful Cindy is?
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:12am
    - Paulus
      
      Schoolgirl Johnson wants to get into Ardern’s office as a way to a Parliamentary list seat.
      As a schoolgirl she should try they the Greens first as they have children there.
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:20am
  - MCos
    
    All those downticks for pointing out the article I saw was not anonymous.
    The two ticks blue brigade is awfully touchy.
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:12pm
- Viking2
  
  Snowflakes who think the path to fame is via working around Parliament.
  They should try working around a factory or construction site for a couple of years and harden the fuck up.
  Workplaces ain’t playschool which it seems many of these limp wristed odd ball mummy’s boys seem to think it is.
  
  Imagine how they would have been on a Rothmans factory full of women. That was a tough place or a meat works.
  
  When you go to work you are no longer on Mum’s tit boy. Grow up.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:55am
- the conservative
  
  Chuck, this may be off topic, but I am just letting you know that theconservative blog is up and running again.
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:16am
  - Jack5
    
    The Conservative blog seems to be the voice of conservative Catholics, but it’s interesting to read what they have to say.
    
    Many of us Kiwiblog posters point to other blogs. For example, Michael Reddell’s fine blog, Croaking Cassandra, is today looking at a prominent US university taking out insurance against falling numbers of Chinese students.
    
    https://croakingcassandra.com/
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:28pm
  - realityczech
    
    Great, will you sacrifice a goat to celebrate the occasion?
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:32pm
oldpark

Now that Wellington City Councils Mayor and his Conncillors have sadddled the Ratepayer with what is called as a living wage. Yes that was sometime ago yet services for some rate payers have taken a big hit, one Case in point. Out in the suburb of Tawa which once was a showpiece for top council services. Known as the Borough it was a great example for the then elected Councillors and local Mayor
Sadly since it was absorbed into Wellington City Council the services by the Council have become extremely tatty.
Must be something in the water . Tawa boasts of 6 reps voted in as a group known as the Community Board, plus 3 elected Councillors as well as a Deputy Maori Mayor. All paid very well by the long suffering ratepayer.
Yet for some reason or other no one seems to be in charge of at least cutting the grass or giving a directive to the new ratepayer funded pay scale .called a living wage.
Seems grass berms near Tawa College and the Ratepayer Car Park beside New World is daily left in a complete scruffy unkempt third world eyesore. Maybe it is time the overpaid fat cats from Wellington City Council got off their mean spirited arses and at least made an attempt to earn their money for doing some type of Tawa Ratepayer Service rather than forever getting paid for doing nothing.
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December 1, 2018 8:33am
lastmanstanding

As a former tax accountant Ive been trying to decipher Cullen the C…. (CC) comments about having found a way to introduce heritance or death duties.
The family home will be deemed to have been sold when it passes from Mum and Dad to the kids or whoever no matter the vehicle it is held in a Trust or Company.
Tax will be due at the entities rate.

In the case of Retirement Villages when the oldies snuff it the village operator will pay tax on the Licence to Occupy price increase.

Imagine the tax from just that source as the average LTO is 5 to 7 years. So the operators will recover the tax either upfront or load it onto the next LTO.

And forget Simon. The amount of tax will be so great and so easy to collect that no future government will repeal it.

From a tax point of view its a winner. it has all the elements. Relative certainty as demographers can tell the government how many people will die that the tax will impact. No downside as losses wont be allowed. Estimates on real estate prices will determine the likely tax haul each year and also longer term.
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December 1, 2018 8:35am
- Awww C-mon
  
  How can losses not be considered? Due to the taxpayer being deceased?
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:53am
- Jules99
  
  And as with the TOP tax on the family home, the Millennials will be the ones who pay it, not the ‘evil, greedy’ boomers. They better wake up soon.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Death duties (40% in Japan) can be expected to be levied on the family house every generation, say 28 years.
  Death duties can be expected to be levied on a retirement village unit every several years, when the occupants pass on. What a wonderful money-maker for the State.
  
  How can families accumulate wealth to pay for their members’ health, housing and education when the State is creaming the top off every generation?
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:52am
  - Jack5
    
    Death duties, or estate duties, are an efficient and effective method of tax collection from the State’s point of view.
    
    With a once-only collect, and typically inheritors of the residue of the estate keen to get their share and unlikely to fight too hard, death duties are cheap to administer compared with income tax and GST.
    
    Ideally you could abolish income tax and just rely on death duties. They are hard on family businesses, such as farms, but that could be overcome by giving the estate a year or two to settle the bill.
    
    The retirement village units, presumably those in NZ, as mentioned by Odakyu-sen, usually are not owned by the people who go into them. The occupants buy a right to occupy, and the cost of buying the right, less a discount, is returned (presumably usually to the children) when the unit is vacated.
    
    The retirement village firms’ customers effectively lend the capital, interest free, to buy the land and build the village, and all capital gain from the value of the village, goes to the firms. Usually these are on big, attractive sites that are bound to become more valuable.
    
    I bet retirement village developers and owners would back any campaign against capital gains tax, which would fall on them.
    
    It’s the total tax take that counts.
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:21pm
- Viking2
  
  Will kill the villages or more likely there will be new agreements circumventing it.
  There are more legal brains around than the Govt. can make law that is effective. That’s why good lawyers make more then MP’s.
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:01am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Judith Collins posts a tweet of an economist artcile about the stupidity of stamp duty how property transaction fees just drive prices up:
  
  https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/11/24/the-case-for-scrapping-stamp-duty?frsc=dg|e
  
  But warning: the article will drive you mad with “There is an obvious replacement for transaction taxes: higher annual levies on property values or, ideally, on land values. Such taxes target wealth, and can be just as progressive as stamp duty, but they do not distort markets much.”
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:20am
  - septic skeptic
    
    This is why I’m currently not a National voter. It’s almost like they are in cahoots. Labour set the agenda, National make it work (sort of). My recollection is that John Key implemented more Labour policies than he did his own.
    Why do National attack the implementation but concede the principle? To me, it appears they are just as keen on socialism.
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:36am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      To be fair, it’s just an Economist article waffling about the joys of ‘land tax’, not National policy. But we need to push National hard to assure us: repeal any CoL property taxes and don’t introduce any new ones. We pay plenty of rates and income taxes, including income taxes from property.
      
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      December 1, 2018 10:40am
  - KevOB
    
    All the novice taxes.
    We have had them all before. They have been systematically removed by many past governments.
    We finally got a practical system now and the commies want to wreck it. It has the flexibility to adapt as needed.
    
    What we have is good. PAYE, GST, witholding taxes and excise duties provide a large part of the revenue. They are inescapable, cheap to collect and all provided out of immediate cash flows. Taxes on corporates are reasonable with shareholders getting credits. The IRD also watches carefully for company profits being sheltered.
    
    The negative income tax we have is reasonable too. It, WFF, replaces the former tax rebates for dependents and the Family Benefit. Everyone is taxed on personal income the same and a two weekly rebate is paid by IRD or its agency like a negative PAYE to allow for different family obligations. It is not to subsidise employers. This has eased PAYE administration and taken a burden off employers. It has its own phased abatement scheme to avoid sudden cuttoff.
    
    Accommodation supplement is more political than a tax matter. It is paid by the tax agency as a subsidy–they are largely dealing with the same population. This subsidy is intended to deal with the injustice of people who are in work and on lower incomes not having the special lower rents of those in social provided housing whose income is similar. An abatement scheme operates too.
    
    The changes being targeted seem to be principally envy motivated by a COLL determined, without mandate, to bring about state ownership and control in NZ.
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:42am
    - -D
      
      “all provided out of immediate cash flows”
      
      Except for the Cullen “Fair” Dividend Rate on off-shore shares.
      
      Voters beware.
      
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      December 1, 2018 6:56pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  It is pleasing to read that Lastmanstanding, a former tax accountant, is having difficulty comprehending the ramifications of Cullen’s proposed capital gains tax. I am also a former tax accountant and it is pleasing to find that I am not alone.
  Some comments on this matter defy logic.
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    What defies logic is how CGT can possibly bring prices down.
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:51am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Tuahei Notts
    
    Explain how my reasoning is faulty. Governments van introduce Deemed Sales even when there isn’t one. Think the current FDR on foreign shares.
    
    No cash dividend yet that doesn’t stop government collecting a tax.
    
    And to answer others Yes it will result in the home being sold in order to pay the tax and that’s part of the beauty of CC proposal. It will result in family homes having to be sold by the estates beneficiaries therefore freeing up more houses for sale.
    
    Note I am an absolute opponent of CGT having worked in regimes where it operates and seen the perverse outcomes and avoidance and even evasion.
    
    CGT is a distortion of the market place and will result in bad outcomes for hard working taxpayers.
    
    But CC wants to transfer wealth and this is a good way to do it across a generation. Baby Boomers estates will be taxed on the family home the bach and every other asset EXCEPT collectibles which the TWG as rules out as too hard.
    
    So get into art jewelry classic cars as these wont be taxed when past on to your heirs. Everything else will be taxed.
    
    And no losses allowed. CC has already ruled on losses being claimed. This is a one way tax CC’s way.
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:44pm
    - -D
      
      Cullen’s FDR is a massive pain in the bum, albeit a boon to accountants, and should be a huge warning about the “Deemed Value” train of thought.
      
      It will take a long time for me to forgive National’s failure to clean up this counter-productive Labor tax while they had the chance.
      
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      December 1, 2018 6:20pm
      - -D
        
        “Lastmanstanding” for Prime Minister !!
        
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        December 1, 2018 6:59pm
- KevOB
  
  It has no certainty of collection: there is no cash asset. In many cases that will cause the house to be sold. Not everyone can or should borrow the amount required.
  
  Also, what about inflation? That varies year to year and between markets. The CPI is not relevant. The inflation in house prices is not the same throughout NZ either. The effect of a forced sale will be to rob a family of cash that has may have to replace accommodation in the current market and quickly. No equitable CGT is possible. Feelingz.
  
  This smells commie chick all over it.
  [Former tax systems implementer and current tax accountant.]
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:03am
Woz

It’s now clear why the latest series of Dr Who is a steaming pile of politically correct moralizing, like watching a bunch of snowflake sermons full of cod juvenile philosophy:

“In July 2018, it was announced that the writing team for the eleventh series would include people from black and minority ethnic backgrounds for the first time in the programme’s history, including two women and three men contributing as guest writers, while the series as a whole would feature an equal split between female and male directors. All but one of the editors for the eleventh series would be women. Chibnall and Strevens stated that it was a priority to have a diverse production team.”
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December 1, 2018 8:40am
- Southern Raider
  
  Agree and I think the critics are choosing the wrong target.
  
  Many are saying the new series sucks because of having a female doctor. I disagree and think as a character she is actually quite good.
  
  It sucks because the stories are shit and we don’t need a sci fi show giving us a history lesson on minority right struggles.
  
  I would rather see an episode of Santarens trying to take over Moscow
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:07am
  - Woz
    
    That’s one of the ironies – despite my initial shout of “NOOOO!!!” when it was revealed the new Doc would be a woman, I reckon Jodie Whittaker is actually marvellous in the role.
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:27am
- Jules99
  
  Haven’t bothered to watch it this time round. I’m not watching the latest Attenborough offering either, because I’m sick of being lectured about how I personally am destroying the planet. In fact, I now hunt out old stuff that has less hectoring.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:09am
- Fletch
  
  And it looks like the actress and the writer may be leaving next year according to rumors…
  
  New Doctor Who star Jodie Whittaker and the series’ showrunner Chris Chibnall are rumoured to be quitting the show next year.
  
  A report in the long-running science-fiction magazine Starburst says that Chibnall is dissatisfied with the way the show is being run behind-the-scenes by the BBC. Whittaker, who previously worked with Chibnall on the hit ITV drama Broadchurch, is said to be leaving the show in sympathy for her friend and colleague.
  
  The story claims that the pair will leave after a second season together next year, which, due to their disagreements with BBC bosses, is likely to consist of only six episodes. This compares to the current season’s run of 10 episodes.
  
  https://www.nme.com/news/tv/doctor-who-jodie-whittaker-new-showrunner-chris-chibnall-reportedly-leaving-2019-2411329
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:17am
  - Woz
    
    This is the kind of shit that is ruining the show:
    
    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/11/27/doctor-who-jodie-whittaker-gay-scarf-rainbow/
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:33am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Jesus these people try to find support in everything
      
      It’s just a scarf. Tom Baker was rocking one over 30 years ago
      
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      December 1, 2018 10:47am
      - Fletch
        
        Yeh, but I don’t think you could call Tom Baker’s scarf LGBT by any means – https://bit.ly/2zATZ5H
        
        Not compared to the overt one Whitaker is wearing.
        
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        December 1, 2018 12:21pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  FFS, why can’t people understand the difference between giving everyone an equal chance and creating an equal outcome?
  
  Good writers of any race or gender should be focused on creating great stories and characters, not on lecturing the world!
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:51am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Where’s the diversity of thought and opinion among the humanoid characters?
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:54am
- Longknives
  
  I have been a lifelong Dr Who fan.
  I have no problem with a female Doctor.
  My issue is that the series has gone from cool Sci Fi adventure to virtuous lecturing every episode.
  The whole show is one big SJW/Leftie hug fest..
  I turned off and never watched again after the episode where Capaldi’s Doctor proudly told his Transgender/Lesbian/Whatever she was companion ‘Jesus was a black man’…
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:42am
  - stephieboy
    
    The ratings suggest nobody is listening to an old windbag/fart like you,
    
    http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-11-2018-uk-ratings-accumulator-88397.htm
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:48am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Racists like Stuffy think every episode should be about race.
      
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      December 1, 2018 10:54am
      - stephieboy
        
        CL, nor to an old fart like you!
        
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        December 1, 2018 10:57am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Likely, Stuffit. I do form my own opinions on each issue that put in no easy category. You’ve never heard of that concept.
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:14am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Should read ‘fit in’, sorry.
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:33am
    - Longknives
      
      Really? The ratings absolutely tanked during the Capaldi-era Stephieboy!
      Long time Dr Who fans switched off in their droves due to all the sanctimonious lecturing…
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknives these latest and other ratings suggest otherwise,
        
        https://www.geek.com/television/record-doctor-who-ratings-prove-jodie-whittaker-brings-big-audiences-1756365/
        
        Dr Who has come along way since the original Dr Who, William Hartnell!
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:27am
      - Fletch
        
        Yep, and they aren’t even doing the traditional Christmas episode this year, claiming to have run out of ideas….
        
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        December 1, 2018 1:11pm
- KevOB
  
  It is not appealing to the 12 yr olds. My boy had others over for a birthday and they turned it off.
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:51am
  - MCos
    
    Did they find your porn channel?
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:18pm
    - Happychappy
      
      You always gave the impression you were a wanker now you have confirmed it.
      
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      December 1, 2018 2:16pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Not my bag, but ratings are excellent
  
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  December 1, 2018 4:44pm
Humble Capitalist

The unions are knock knock knocking on Humble’s door. First time we’ve heard of them since the early 2000’s
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December 1, 2018 8:47am
- Southern Raider
  
  Did you tell them to fuck off?
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:02am
VicParking

My Lawyer Nephews are already talking to my brothers and sisters about selling now with a Licence to Occupy for life.
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December 1, 2018 8:58am
- Woz
  
  Something along those lines came into my head last night when I was sitting on the Thinking Seat. I will certainly take advice on that should this proposal look anything like becoming reality. My kids can have the place right now.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:01am
  - KevOB
    
    Quick draft–
    
    S. 2 (c)(iii) Any licence to occupy for a term in excess of three years after the date of these provisions coming into force shall be deemed to be a sale for the purposes of this Act as at the date of the expiry of the term of the licence providing that if any licence to which this section applies is renewed then a sale shall be deemed to have occurred on the date of any such renewal.
    
    This may require street theatre to get the people’s message across.
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:06pm
    - KevOB
      
      Needs further proviso to catch terms less than 3 years being aggregated and not caught.
      
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      December 1, 2018 12:14pm
Southern Raider

What happened to Notsofast?

He had the second post of the day at 8.05am about normal Lundy crap and it’s now disappeared completely with all the comments.
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December 1, 2018 9:01am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Have we found the limit of our hosts patience?
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:04am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Maybe it was actually Lundy and Corrections finally tracked down his internet connection?
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:15am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The police have a secret back door to the internet that they use to delete or change comments they don’t like. Any rational study of the evidence will conclusively show this. Don’t be one of the lazy and unthinking masses who just lap up whatever the police/media conspiracy feed them.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:21am
- Biscuit
  
  Southern Raider, maybe Kiwiblog’s wise monarch (yo, King D!) has wised up that Notsofast is simply turning everyone else off with his zeal.
  
  Being hammered day after day after day after day with a particular point of view – much like the late Penny did and the still-with-us Hugh does – simply inspires apathy amongst the majority of folk who are not so single-issue-focussed.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:27am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Or
    Six people have pressed ‘Report’ and he’s disappeared into Moderation for review…
    Conspiracy theories are fun though
    I bet it’s Christine Lundy reaching out from the grave using ghostly energy to delete Notsofasts Squirrels.
    True! I read it on the internet.
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:31am
- Inandout
  
  ‘Libel’.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:30am
- Tall Man
  
  Thank fuck. He has a real problem.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:40am
- calendar girl
  
  I’ve struck a ‘technical’ problem today as well. Posted a comment about two hours ago that never appeared – no great drama in the content (other than my justified and understated criticism of our PM Leader!)
  
  When I tried to re-post the comment half an hour later, KB rejected it as a duplicate. (I’ve concluded that, finally, a cunning plan has been employed to shut me down!)
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:10am
  - Biscuit
    
    We’re going to have to be more subtle, Kiwibloggers: calendargirl is clueing up as to what we’re doing!
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:09am
- Dave Mann
  
  He must have got 6 ‘reports’. That’s when a post is deleted automatically. Maybe 7…. but certainly he was reported out of the forum – and good on those who did it.
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:05am
kevn

@Vic… Private homes?
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December 1, 2018 9:01am
Rodney Randall

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ubr5Ijg5G2Q t

This clip shows EU Parliamentarian Marcel de Graaff warning AGAINST the chilling consequences of the UN Compact on Migration.

Extensions of hate speech laws proposed in UN Migration Compact.

Will the SLG sign away NZ immigration rights to the UN this month?

Why is there a media blackout in NZ?

WHY DPF?
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December 1, 2018 9:10am
- Komata
  
  Rodney
  
  Will the SLG sign away our rights?
  
  Certainly, and with great enthusiasm (especially if there are cameras in the vicinity).
  
  The lady is an unrepentant communist / globalist so it fits in with her philosophies.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:35am
Justitia

So when is the coalition going to come clean regarding its intentions towards the UN Compact on Migration which opens for signature on 10 December? This globalist tool abolishes the concept of illegal migration and commits governments to provide anyone who breaches their borders with virtually all the benefits of citizenship. While “non-binding” it will be interpreted by activist judges, of whom we have more than a few, to make new law on immigration. Open slather for boat people. Read here for yourself:
https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/migration-compact
This issue has been kept deliberately quiet by the media and no doubt Comrade Cindy is hoping she can further burnish her UN credentials at our expense without anyone objecting. Let’s stop this!
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December 1, 2018 9:17am
- Tall Man
  
  “Let’s stop this”.
  
  Got a plan?
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:41am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Sorry TM, tried to uptick and hit downtick by mistake. ?
    
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    December 1, 2018 9:58am
  - Justitia
    
    We need to raise awareness of the issue about which there has been no coverage in the media (which is extraordinary in itself). We can start by getting the issue out there on social media as widely as we can. The only possible impediment to the coalition signing this appalling document is Winston Peters who as FM will also be the one who has to endorse it. We need to target him and NZ First with a firm expression of opposition over the coming week.
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:00am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      He knows he’ll be long gone by the time NZ is flooded in the way Germany was.
      
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      December 1, 2018 10:56am
- septic skeptic
  
  I would be keen to know where National stand on this issue. To date, the silence is deafening!
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:58am
  - greybeard
    
    Agreed. I sent the following email to HDPA, Larry Williams and Mike Hosking on the 22nd Nov, but there was no reaction.
    
    “https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/21/australia-refuses-to-sign-un-migration-pact-citing-risks-to-turnbacks-and-detention
    
    Have any of you radio hosts studied this Immigration Pact ?
    
    It is a very worrying idea and I hope that NZ rejects it , as our close allies have done. “.
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:37am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Chris Lynch and Bruce Russell have mentioned the Migration Compact on air several times. Bruce has covered the Compact extensively, but sadly late at night to a select group of informed contributors to his show. Bruce is of the opinion that it is a done deal. He is horrified.
      
      I would strongly encourage those of you who take this issue seriously to respectfully approach, in person, where possible, your elected MPs for clarification.
      
      Also get on the phones to talkback and hammer the issue.
      
      Larry Williams needs a good swift kick up the backside as does Hoskings.
      
      Hammer twitter feeds facebook feeds.
      
      National are in lockdown on this.
      
      The time has arrived for a new political party.
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:00am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Too bloody right the time has arrived for a new political party. I’ve been saying this for ages. Good to hear that somebody agrees else agrees.
        
        Let’s have a survey:
        
        The time has arrived for a new political party which will expound the founding values that National has abandoned.
        
        Uptick if you agree and downtick if you disagree. Please participate one way or another. Cheers.
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:14am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Dave, if it focused on being financially conservative, yes. If it starting screeching about abortion and religion, NO.
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:19am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Classical Liberal: I take your point, but I don’t think the early founders of the National party screeched on about abortion and religion. From my understanding, National was fiscally to the right while encouraging personal responsibility as well as freedom of choice in life.
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:34am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        Your right. Its a done deal. One of Cindys plays to get the UN job. Just like the Paris Agreement NZ will sign in Poland 8/9 December which commits us to a share of $100 Billion each and every year to be transferred to Developing Countries “to assist them to lower their carbon emissions” (cough).
        
        What it really means is the UN gifting 3rd World despots money to bribe them to vote for whatever the UN comrades want passed.
        
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        December 1, 2018 12:50pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        22-1 in favor of a new party so far… hopefully someone is noting this….?
        
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        December 1, 2018 4:18pm
- GazzaW
  
  …..and where the hell does Winston stand on this issue Justitia? It flies against everything he purports to stand for.
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:13am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Pfft. Not a peep as far as I can see. Doesn’t care if we’re flooded with aggressive young males posing as ‘refugees’ as Germany has been.
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:21am
  - Justitia
    
    I have no idea GazzaW – he needs to be flushed out blinking into the daylight and in pretty quick order.
    
    Dave – I agree with you National have become a major disappointment and no longer represent the centre-right. I don’t know if they can be dragged back over the line or if it’s too late – I suspect the latter. Act are a lost cause. We need a truly conservative party which carries no religious baggage.
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:25am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “a truly conservative party which carries no religious baggage.”
      
      Amen to that ;)!
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:35am
  - KevOB
    
    Winston has abandoned sense–consign him to the coal bucket.
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:18pm
flipper

Hanukkah is upon us. So to all non haters of my Jewish friends, “Happy Hanukkah.”

And with that said, for the benefit of the few pro-Muslims and anti-Jewish folk here, a story about a grizzled elderly central-European Jew.

It seems that he spent a large sum each week to purchase a copy of the most virulent anti- Jewish publication available.

As he read, while sitting on the front steps to his house, he frequently muttered: “Wow, gosh, really, marvellous, wonderful” and the like. Puzzled, his friends asked: “Why do you spend so much to buy and read that rubbish?”

Well, he replied: “If I didn’t read it I would never know how powerful I am.”

Have a Happy Hanukkah ! 🙂
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December 1, 2018 9:17am
- mandk
  
  and Hanukkah Sameakh to you, too!
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:58am
Fletch

So, I missed the news last night (was working so I don’t know if it was mentioned) but on NewsTalkZB this morning they were talking about the new reduction in GP fees to those “less well off” with community service cards, but that the doctors would make it up by charging everyone else more? Those that they consider could afford it. Isn’t this blatant Socialism? – ps, this wasn’t an opinion piece. This was the news headlines.
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December 1, 2018 9:25am
- Fletch
  
  Found it. It seems to come from a statement made by Michael Woodhouse –
  
  Hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders could end up being charged more for GP visits after the botched the rollout of Labour’s election policy to make GP visits cheaper, National’s Health spokesperson Michael Woodhouse says.
  
  “Labour’s GP policy has been a mess from the start. It was rushed out in response to National’s pledge, meant to be rolled out by July and meant to make GP visits cheaper.
  
  “But for the hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders who don’t have a Community Services Card, doctors’ visits could actually be more expensive from tomorrow. This is in marked contrast to the promise made during the election campaign that all New Zealanders would see a reduction in GP fees.
  
  “That’s because the government funding for doctors’ visits for adults with a Community Services Card is capped at well below the cost to some practices of these visits. So to make up for the shortfall, these practices have been told by the Government that they should increase the consultation fee for patients without a Community Services card.
  
  “It is unacceptable that middle New Zealanders, who are already struggling as a result of this Government’s poor policies which are driving up the cost of living, will be subsidising the Government’s botched GP policy.
  
  “The rollout of this policy has been questionable at best. GPs were forced to opt in or out of the provision of the cheaper visits with little time to think through the consequences and impact on their practices and patients and whether or not they could cope financially. If practices decided not to opt in they would lose all funding for the free under-13 GP visits.
  
  “A number of GPs are now worried about their ability to perform a duty of care to their patients due to the fact that they have no idea how this policy will increase their patient numbers.
  
  “The Minister needs to assure New Zealanders that those without Community Services Cards will not be paying more to subsidise the policy and that practices will not be facing an unfair burden.”
  
  https://livenews.co.nz/2018/11/30/rollout-of-labours-gp-promise-shambolic/
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1811/S00330/rollout-of-labours-gp-promise-shambolic.htm
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:31am
  - MCos
    
    I listened to news of the reduction in doctors’ fees for community card carriers. It was said they would come down to twenty dollars per visit.
    Currently I pay eighteen dollars at the 3 King’s A &E Clinic, which is fine with me.
    I know some people pay an awful lot more than that, but what do you get? A doctor with a flasher car?
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:54pm
- Harkman
  
  Yes last night I was sitting in traffic after 6PM and flicked on Radiolive and one story from the BBC was about how evil it was that Donald Trump had a real job before he became President and he is guilty of looking into building an apartment skyscraper in Moscow. The other story was how delightful it is that more people are going to the doctor for cheaper. I thought WTF is going pay for that next recession? Then I turned it off in disgust, they’re as bad as One News.
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:38am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Harkman, your choice of super reliable and objective news?
    
    Gateway Pundit, Fox, Breitbart, WND, Infowars.
    
    More?
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Whereas an astute follower of ardern the liar only “believes” the shit that comes out her arse don’t you steffy girl?
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:21am
    - KevOB
      
      Thanks for the tip. I like to get my news from diverse sources.
      
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      December 1, 2018 12:29pm
    - VicParking
      
      Stephie gets is news from PlayGoat, GoatHub and Goat Hustler
      
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      December 1, 2018 2:58pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Typical. Hits those of us hardest who manage to earn only just ‘too much’ to be eligible. Being self-employed doesn’t help either – very variable income, no holiday pay etc. Many here know exactly how it is…
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:05am
secondcumming

From the *WGAF* file……

Watermelon is actually 99% water.

Although literally, it’s 50%
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December 1, 2018 10:03am
Inandout

It was ‘in the file all along’ ILG, you drop kick, says the powder Czech. Years of legal funding ahead for the Masport-man, unless the CoL change the law. But they can’t, can they; stuck between a rock and a powder puff in this case. FFS, what a shower of incompetents rule us!
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December 1, 2018 10:12am
Justitia

It’s Saturday matinee time. Here’s one for anyone considering taking political donations from the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front people in New Zealand. Read between the lines:

https://youtu.be/bIxE5kZXjsY
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December 1, 2018 10:15am
- stephieboy
  
  China Uncensored is funded by,”
  ” New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD, Chinese: 新唐人電視臺) is a television broadcaster based in New York City with correspondents in over 70 cities worldwide. The station was founded in 2001 by Falun Gong practitioners as a Chinese-language broadcaster, but has since expanded its language offerings.”
  
  New Tang Dynasty Television – Wikipedia
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:33am
  - secondcumming
    
    And I bet you’d be the sort of guy stephieboy that would enjoy pissing on his chips
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:35am
  - Manolo
    
    Have you brushed up today on your Roman numerals, stephieboy? 😀
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, how is Cosmology for Under fives by yours truly going? Past p2
      
      Struggling?
      
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      December 1, 2018 10:41am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Under fives’
        Always fascinated by children eh Stephie
        #GrahamCapill
        
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        December 1, 2018 10:45am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , continuing your 24/7 surveillance of St Alban’s wearing a Burka on your bike with toy binocs?
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:01am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Interesting
        Stephie uses ‘burka’, ‘surveillance’ and ‘binocs’
        Freudian Slip about your perving ways hmmm?
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:11am
      - stigie
        
        ‘Under fives’
        
        Christ this gets worse, i thought under nine was a starting point..?
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:20am
  - Justitia
    
    So what Stephie?
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      Justita, I suggest that inadequate and deficient and sad piece of humanity simply needs to be ignored.
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:13am
      - sooty
        
        If you would shit the *** up we could!
        
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        December 1, 2018 2:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Gosh, who looked that up for you as we all know you only do ardern the liar’s bidding?
    
    steffy is a girl
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:24am
- secondcumming
  
  It truly is frightening what they get up to over there Justitia.
  
  We always show our support for the Falon Gong protesting outside the Chinese Embassy in Penrose, when they hold up there ‘TOOT’ signs. You never hear of any of them before the courts for importing meth.
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:52am
  - Justitia
    
    Yes secondcumming, “they’re good people”. Maybe they should have a whip-around for a candidacy? Just for the record I have no association with Falon Gong but I welcome anyone who comes to this country fleeing the most awful persecution and with only good intentions towards their new home.
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:02am
Manolo

I have a degree in engineering and I’m an avid reader of physics, cosmology and mathematics, dear stephieboy. Modesty aside, I don’t believe you can maintain a conversation with me. 🙂
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December 1, 2018 10:47am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, your qualifications belies the fact that you chase after some of the most audacious and fantastic conspiracy theories.
  
  The connection and unquestioned lack of critical thinking skills?
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:55am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘Belie’, Stuffy. See, you can’t even write a correct plural.
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:01am
    - stephieboy
      
      verb (belies, belying, belied) [with object]
      1 (of an appearance) fail to give a true impression of (something): his lively, alert manner belied his years.
      2 fail to fulfil or justify (a claim or expectation): the quality of the music seems to belie the criticism.
      
      Shall we change it to say “contradicts”
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:04am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Duh, Stuffit. The word ‘qualifications’ is a plural. You do know what a plural is?
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        Who really gives a flying fuck what you think?
        
        Your pathetic underachieving life has brought you to this, posting inflammatory comments in order to get a response.
        
        Face facts, you are basically a non person who thrives in the eyes of others, and currently you are a very low consideration.
        
        Why don’t you find a forum that appreciates your childish humour and poorly constructed epithets and transition yourself there.
        
        steffy is a girl
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is nothing to do with the meaning of the word, stephieboy.
        
        It is a point of Grammar in English that Subject Nouns and their verbs show agreement in NUMBER.
        
        So a singular noun has the verb in the singular form, and plural nouns in the plural verb form.
        
        Your sentence should have read:
        Manolo, your qualifications belie the fact……
        
        P.S. In the 5 years that I have been reading KB I have never known Manolo to make a mistake in grammar or spelling. English is not Manolo’s mother tongue and may not even be his 2nd or 3rd language.
        
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        December 1, 2018 2:36pm
      - Swifty
        
        Maggy, I fear you’re casting pearls before swine….
        
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        December 1, 2018 3:46pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Do you have a qualification galah?
    Do share.
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:56am
- thedavincimode
  
  In fact Manolo, as we saw yesterday, the dirty little perv can’t even count to V.
  
  Edit: Good grief, he’s questioning your thinking skills.
  
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  December 1, 2018 10:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    That’s right his ” critical” thinking skills which like you he is seriously bereft of!
    
    I mean if you take that old windbag Arizona Sheriff seriously you’ve got to be!
    
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    December 1, 2018 11:08am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “Unprecedented”
      Snigger
      Stephie-Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:09am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed.con,
        
        Stick to ” Prof “” Lord”Christopher Monckton,
        
        https://skepticalscience.com/docs/Monckton_vs_Scientists.pdf
        
        LOL
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:20am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wow, still jealous he’s better looking than you.
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=pictures+of+Lord+Monckton&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9vt33k_3eAhVGXisKHVsaAY0Q_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=1024&bih=672
        
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        December 1, 2018 11:25am
    - Tall Man
      
      FFS..” of which he is bereft”…
      
      Now fuck off.
      
      steffy is a girl
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      December 1, 2018 11:29am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Congratulations on overcoming your urge to have a space before an exclamation mark.
      
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      December 1, 2018 3:43pm
Lance

My daughter has been flatting for a few years while she is at Uni
All good relations with the landlord, all inspections big thumbs up etc.
BUT…
The landlord wants to add an en-suite, the tenants are being kicked out for a few weeks, so far not great but they can cope with a little give and take… however the kicker is she DEMANDS they continue to pay rent or she will kick them out permanently.

I find this sort of shit to be outrageous and an obscene abuse of natural justice.

If the landlord gets away with this then I am a supporter of a law review that would allow such bullshit.
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December 1, 2018 11:09am
- All_on_Red
  
  Not sure the Landlord can do that.
  Call Tenancy Services for advice.
  
  Watch for a rent increase when they come back though.
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Obviously. With an en-suite it will command more.
    
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    December 1, 2018 5:09pm
  - artemisia
    
    Advice from Tenancy Services can be, and often is, variable depending on who is on the other end of the phone. And it is not definitive anyway unless they can point to specifics in the Residential Tenancies Act.
    
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    December 2, 2018 6:54am
- secondcumming
  
  We moved out of our house last year for a month or so while we installed a new kitchen……the mortgage never stopped.
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:26am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    That was your decision, and you get the capital gain. Neither true for a tenant.
    
    Dumb Argument
    
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    December 1, 2018 7:52pm
- brett68
  
  Is the Landlord providing alternative accommodation?
  
  https://www.landlords.co.nz/ask-an-expert/who-pays-for-temporary-accommodation-whilst-rental-repairs-carried-out-911
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:26am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Lance: Baby… Bathwater. Do not support this crappy new law because of this experience. All on Red is right: it’s probably already illegal. Our current law is adequate.
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:29am
- Swifty
  
  Totally unreasonable in my view.
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:20pm
- KevOB
  
  Your correct. Imagine legally attempting to collect “rent” when the owner is in possession. It’s quite standover.
  
  I suggest your daughter and friends look for other accommodation. There is no certainty for the future now.
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:37pm
  - sooty
    
    What area of the house are they going to rob to put in the extra bathroom?
    Are they going to stick it on the market?
    
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    December 1, 2018 2:58pm
- artemisia
  
  Sounds so strange there may be more to this story. Common enough in some locations esp Dunedin for rent to continue over the long vacation to retain a tenancy even while tenants are away. But being told to move out and pay rent is a whole different thing.
  
  Tenants might be completely in the right, but the landlord is the person who decides whether to renew or continue a tenancy. Might be cheaper to pay the rent.
  
  Landlords can ask for what they like, but if it involves a change to the tenancy agreement both parties have to agree.
  
  Suggest the tenants check the Tenancy Tribunal database to see if the landlord is recorded there, and if so for what. Might be a pattern.
  
  Tenants should make sure they get everything in writing to / from the landlord in preparation for as application to the Tenancy Tribunal. May not be needed but best to be prepared. One big advantage for tenants is that if they go to the TT and landlord then gives notice to them they can ask the TT to declare the notice retaliatory and set it aside. They don’t actually have to make a TT application but it is the simplest route, and cheap.
  
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  December 2, 2018 6:52am
KeaRea

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/psychologys-replication-crisis-real/576223/?utm_term=2018-11-19T20%3A27%3A34&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1FMKYGEo-TyO9_sIi6-s3_0m1ro7Vf5sXXmqsx_frgz6IHeyaxzL_JqPE

Sorry for the long link.

I have to admit. I have mixed feelings that will power is actually not a limited resource. It means one can have no excuse for failed exercise of will power.

Subliminal social priming is false.
‘The banality of evil’ is false.
Happy posturing doesn’t make you feel happy
Subconscious bias is false.

Science is an absolute joke. How anyone can seriously posit that it should be a barometer for truth when it’s less valid then eye witness testimony is beyond me.

I also never want to be told there is no evidence for God anymore – because there is unless you do a Jordan Peterson and say only ‘scientific’ evidence matters, and even if it did, it would be no better then a coin flip.

Also National better bloody come out against the UN Global Compact. Why is that even debatable? It’s a rort to impose global socialism by reducing the wealth of nations over time to the lowest common denominator and destroying white nations in particular by makimg everyone brown. Nothing wrong with choosing to so that. Being forced to do it is what infuses an enthusiasm for synchronised marching unfortunately. Don’t coerce people.

Happy Hannukah indeed – and who could have imagined the creation if white zionism?
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December 1, 2018 11:22am
- realityczech
  
  Any study of humanity is corrupted by political correctness and ideology. Clear evidence is denied on the basis that reporting it is unethical. You can’t trust anything that talks about race, or gender, for example.
  
  As for God, well Jordan Peterson is a believer for a start, so bad example.
  
  The default position is no belief in God and it is up to the believer to prove otherwise. Just as you are an atheist about the tooth fairy and unicorns, sane people do not accept the ramblings of an ignorant desert cult from the bronze age, which based their fables on even older myths.
  
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  December 1, 2018 3:12pm
Stars And Stripes

Another day and another accusation of bullying.
Well I suppose if it wasn’t that it would have been accusations of sexual harassment or racism or whatever else in fashion.
This country has become a nation of crybabies and wimps who react to the slightest thing and then expect everyone to give them a cuddle.
Firm management is now bullying and saying a chick has a fat arse is now sexual harassment where if the same comment was made about the size of a guys stomach it would be perfectly acceptable and probably even laughed about.
Saying someone with body odour should have a wash will constitute harassment shortly amongst the delicate in this country.
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December 1, 2018 11:25am
KeaRea

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/weird/929387/ancient-human-settlement-Antarctica-piri-reis-map/amp

Did you know we found a massive ancient civilization in Antarctica?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/earthquake-seismic-waves-mayotte-madagascar-volcanic-activity-science-a8659236.html

Mysterious seismic waves.

Looks like Atlantis was real 🙂 and this isn’t the first time we have reached this point in the cycle of technology and society.
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December 1, 2018 11:32am
- rangitoto
  
  Your drugs are harming you.
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:36pm
  - KeaRea
    
    Pfffft lame! Yes its not Atlantis but its pretty cool. Why be a mong?
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:41pm
Hugh Pavletich

SYDNEY AUSTRALIA: Sydney’s biggest real estate bargains: homes at discounts of up to $1 million … News com au

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/12/weekend-reading-1-2-december-2018/#comment-3239110

Sydney’s biggest real estate bargains: homes at discounts of up to $1 million … News com au

https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/sydneys-biggest-real-estate-bargains-homes-at-discounts-of-up-to-1-million/news-story/757a5083c01c6b76148b81a46412944c

Homeowners who spent months trying to sell their properties without luck are offering discounts of more than $500k just to get rid of them. These are the homes with the biggest discounts.

AIDAN DEVINE

Sydney’s cooling real estate market is delivering buyers hefty discounts that would have been hard to believe even six months ago.

A string of properties across the northern beaches, eastern suburbs and north shore are currently listed at up to $1 million below their original prices after languishing on the market unsold for months.

The deals have followed an 8 per cent drop in Sydney’s median home price over the past year and a 17.4 per cent lift in the number of homes listed for sale.

Compounding this, Sydney’s existing pipeline of new housing projects is forecast to increase the current supply of housing by 9.5 per cent over the next two years.

And it’s all at a time when buyer demand is falling as purchasers struggle to get financing from increasingly cagey lenders. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Unnatural Acts From New Zealand’s Reserve Bank … Martin North with Joe Wilkes … Digital Finance Analytics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdnCARscvgE

Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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December 1, 2018 11:36am
- KeaRea
  
  Hallellujah. Thanks Hugh.
  
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  December 1, 2018 11:41am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The value of a house may be a matter of opinion; however, debt is real.
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:17pm
KeaRea

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/29/google-censorship-conservative-media/

More proof Google censors.

I wonder how much our own media does this.
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December 1, 2018 11:48am
- realityczech
  
  They openly admit it, as does Facebook and others. They also employ alt-left activists like Snopes to censor search results and spread fake news.
  
  They of course claim they are fighting fake news and fact checking. Trouble is the evidence contradicts that – as do numerous employees of Google who have spoken out.
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:04pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “They also employ alt-left activists like Snopes to censor search results and spread fake news.”
    
    ???
    
    rc, another struggle with the Truth!
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:21pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You mean ardern the liar never told you this……
      
      Perhaps you are a little further down the food chain than you thought….. thought…silly me. You aren’t capable of independent thought.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 1, 2018 2:10pm
dcrown

Since he’s on his way out and it doesn’t matter anymore Paul Ryan is growing out his Muslim beard again;

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/29/california-2018-midterm-elections-results-voting-republicans-1031072
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December 1, 2018 12:04pm
Morrissey

“And those soldiers, those snipers, those assassins… if every one of them were killed, I would not shed a tear!”

Both parents of renowned scholar and human rights activist Norman Finkelstein were survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto, Majdanek, and Auschwitz. Not surprisingly, he does not like concentration camp guards.

“The protests have been overwhelmingly non-violent… but even if they were violent, I would say to the people of Gaza: God bless you, I hope you break through that fence! And those soldiers, those snipers, those assassins… if every one of them were killed, I would not shed a tear!”

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/11/29/finkelstein-doesnt-like-concentration-camp-guards/
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December 1, 2018 12:05pm
- realityczech
  
  Wrong audience Morrie.
  
  This crowd “admire” genocide and see it as simply a valid expression of the people. They say so all the time, followed by a flurry of upticks.
  
  This is typical of zionists. They are the lowest expression of the human condition. Vile lying malicious types.
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    You forgot to add: human scum. Filth.
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:18pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Concentration camp guards are certainly worthy of those terms, Swifters.
      
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      December 1, 2018 12:21pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Come on Morrisey. Israel and its defence force is not the same as Treblinka, Auschwitz, Sobibor etc and mobile Einsatzgruppen extermination squads,
        
        Finkelstein and you are utterly deluded!,
        
        https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-final-solution/german-expansionism/the-einsatzgruppen/
        
        They call it false equivalence and crude pure anti-Jewish propaganda that would do Daily Stormer and American Free Press proud !
        
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        December 1, 2018 1:32pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Fuck off goatfucker. You know more than Norman Finkelstein now?
        
        Go and hang yourself, pervert.
        
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        December 1, 2018 2:43pm
  - Morrissey
    
    It’s not Zionists that are the problem, it’s supporters of the Israeli state’s crimes. I’m a Zionist, in the sense that I fully embrace Jewish literature, Jewish culture, Jewish food, Jewish humour, Jewish discourse. Noam Chomsky describes himself as a Zionist too.
    
    But he is not a supporter of the aggressive and violent perversion of Zionism that models itself on European colonialism. And neither am I.
    
    Question No. 10: Who are the main enemies of Israel?
    GIDEON LEVY: Those who support the occupation, who keep it strong, and who pay for it. Of course I’m talking about the United States here. The U.S. could stop this masquerade in a matter of months. The U.S. routinely condemns the illegal settlements and scolds Israel, but it does nothing. The European Union: nothing but lip service. India, Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E.—they all buy Israeli weapons.
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2017/12/soon-even-notion-that-israel-is.html
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:20pm
    - realityczech
      
      Morrie, well using your definition I am a zionist – but that is not the meaning of zionism. I used to be a zionist myself btw, until I woke up.
      
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      December 1, 2018 12:26pm
      - Morrissey
        
        No, Mr Czech—or should I call you Karel?—you are NOT a Zionist. Noam Chomsky certainly is.
        
        Zionism used to be a cultural movement. The dismal fact that the term has been misappropriated by hardline fanatics, people of a mischievous and genocidal cast of mind, does not invalidate the more thoughtful, humane and decent people who are real Zionists.
        
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        December 1, 2018 12:37pm
      - realityczech
        
        I have never met, read, or even heard of (until now) a “humane” zionist. They are hard line nationalists obsessed with racial and cultural purity, based on bronze age mythology.
        
        Let’s just change a word and see if you still like it?
        
        ~~Zionism~~ Nazism used to be a cultural movement. The dismal fact that the term has been misappropriated by hardline fanatics, people of a mischievous and genocidal cast of mind, does not invalidate the more thoughtful, humane and decent people who are real ~~Zionists~~ Nazi.
        
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        December 1, 2018 12:43pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Nonsense, Mr. Czech, nonsense. There never was a humane Nazi, and there never will be.
        
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        December 1, 2018 12:53pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Seven Nazi-sympathizers have downticked this. It’s for scum like them that I pray there is an actual Hell.
      
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      December 1, 2018 12:56pm
      - realityczech
        
        No hell Morrie. The bible, torah and koran, are all a bunch of bullshit designed to control ignorant tribal peoples.
        
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        December 1, 2018 1:29pm
  - mandk
    
    If this crowd admired genocide, any pro-Palestinian comment would be flooded with up-ticks.
    
    Truth is though, naziczech, that the Palestinians would like to kill all Israelis, but lack the power to do so.
    
    The Israelis, on the other hand, could wipe out the Palestinians any time, but they have no desire to do so.
    
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    December 1, 2018 5:17pm
- Longknives
  
  Fuck I love Israel!
  Top work- Go Team!!
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:45pm
  - realityczech
    
    They don’t love you though. They regard you as having the soul of a beast and are barely human. Only there to be used by the chosen ones.
    
    That is why they slaughtered the British who were trying to help them in the King David Hotel bombing. (Tried to blame Muslims)
    
    Then butchered the US servicemen on the USS Liberty (Tried to blame Muslims).
    
    And planned a series of bombing attacks all around (Lavon affair) the world in Western countries, but were caught out. (Intended to blame the Muslims).
    
    And that is how they treat those gentiles who help them!
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:51pm
    - Cobolt24
      
      Oy vey: https://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Danny-Danon-Send-African-migrants-to-Australia
      
      But to be fair, I don’t think all are like this, most of the Israeli Jews seem to be fine, many (but not all) in the US do seem to be aiming to change their society for the worse.
      
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      December 1, 2018 3:41pm
  - Morrissey
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:53pm
    - realityczech
      
      Most Jews agree with my point of view Morrie. The smartest share my concern that the current state of affairs will come back to bite them.
      
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      December 1, 2018 1:28pm
  - Longknives
    
    Lighten up guys! What’s not to love?
    
    http://thechive.com/2017/11/15/sexy-side-of-the-israeli-defense-force/
    
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    December 1, 2018 12:57pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Sign me up, Knives!
      
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      December 1, 2018 1:10pm
    - realityczech
      
      I’m all for love and peace 🙂
      
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      December 1, 2018 1:34pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Nice guns….
      
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      December 1, 2018 4:00pm
Fletch

NPR has been forced to delete a story/tweet accusing Donald Trump Jr of perjury during his testimony…

Editor’s note: An earlier version of this story mischaracterized an answer Donald Trump Jr. gave to Senate investigators in 2017 about the prospective projects his family was negotiating with people in Moscow. https://t.co/3KYMzCX6NE

— NPR (@NPR) November 30, 2018

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(An earlier version of this story and an earlier tweet mischaracterized an answer Donald Trump Jr. gave to Senate investigators in 2017. The story has been updated, and the tweet has been deleted.) pic.twitter.com/R0RGiXOD54

— NPR (@NPR) November 30, 2018

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/11/30/npr-finally-corrects-totally-bogus-story-and-deletes-tweet-on-donald-trump-jr-and-russia/
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December 1, 2018 12:08pm
- Cobolt24
  
  I see it’s made the rounds on the lefty media.
  
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  December 1, 2018 3:26pm
Manolo

Soros, modern-day Satan:
https://newspunch.com/george-soros-i-am-a-god-i-created-everything/

George Soros claims he is a god and “the creator of everything,” however the billionaire globalist also warns he is a “self-centred” god who believes “normal rules do not apply” to him.

“I fancied myself as some kind of god …” he wrote. “If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.“

When asked by Britain’s Independent newspaper to elaborate on that statement, Soros doubled down: “It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.“
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December 1, 2018 12:35pm
- Morrissey
  
  You anti-Semitic fuckwit.
  
  Soros controls the world, does he?
  
  You fuckwit, you.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:40pm
  - KeaRea
    
    When he dies no one will mourn.
    
    This is Italy, now.
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Nzk1EnN0w
    
    Do you think Casa Pound gets 10s of thousands to rallies because ‘no reason’? I always admire how it’s for no reason. No reason. Nothing ever happens for reasons.
    
    Women and children turn up to Casa Pound rallies because Soros and like minded people tikkuning the olam were and are funding the Mafia and Ndrangheta and perverting charities to people smuggle into Italy to the point where what was left of the non black market system was breaking down. They couldn’t walk the streets safely anymore. Spend some time in Napoli. You will learn.
    
    Soros is incredibly evil and everything he believes is evil. He was a Nazi collaborator and his father was a Capo if that makes you feel better. One of the few non-vices of Netanyahu is his dislike of Soros.
    
    There needs to be a new expression of opposition to Soros’ evil. But its going to be his fault and yours when old and discredited failed forms of it reignite in places.
    
    This is needlessly provocative but you’re very aggravating. If political expressions aren’t censored they will be ignored. Instead, when censors censor what they censor has to be promoted. So have a tribute video that is deleted over and over to a failed man, whose ideas are being made relevant again by people like you, the secret Kings who censor.
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r3z_qGVTjLw
    
    Happy Hannukah.
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:46pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Gosh, what eloquence……
    
    Down tick and “report” for you.
    
    We are all well aware of what you are so we have no need to call you those names.
    
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    December 1, 2018 2:05pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I correctly identified him as an anti-Semitic bonehead. How much more subtle and creative did you want me to be, Tallbot?
      
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      December 1, 2018 4:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, there you go a marriage of your inane, outlandish conspiracy theories and amateur cosmology!
  
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  December 1, 2018 1:23pm
  - starboard
    
    “FAP FAP FAP FAP..ORDLE ORDLE..FAP..”
    
    sharia bird in action.
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:50pm
Fletch

I see that the leftie media are upset again, and about blackface again, because the Dutch are going to hold a celebration of their culture in Rotorua next weekend which includes the iconic Dutch character ‘Black Peter’ who appears around Christmas time.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/11/black-pete-the-controversial-dutch-character-to-appear-at-rotorua-market.html

One commenter (who happens to be an islander) quoted Booker T Washington under the story on Facebook –

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs – partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” ~ Booker T. Washington

Of course, it’s not black people complaining this time. It is pakeha “white knighting” for them.
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December 1, 2018 12:54pm
- Morrissey
  
  Booker T? What the FUCK?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AjjZgxitl0
  
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  December 1, 2018 12:58pm
  - Fletch
    
    😆
    
    You never knew he was an activist as well as being a great musician.
    
    ps, it was only later on in life I found out that Engelbert Humperdinck was actually the name of an historical German 19th century composer and that the 1960s singer (born Arnold George Dorsey) borrowed the name to further his career.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck_(composer)
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:04pm
  - starboard
    
    How was your fisting Friday night, morris ?
    Got the adult diapers on today ?
    
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    December 1, 2018 1:49pm
MCos

The G20 meeting has produced some exaggerated toadyism. There was the scarcely believe show of affection between Putin and the Saudi Crown Prince and then I read this

PM Shinzo Abe of Japan to Trump just now at G20: “I want to congratulate you on your historic victory in the midterm election in the United States.”
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December 1, 2018 1:25pm
- Biscuit
  
  It gets worse, MCos.
  
  I understand 3 hours has been set aside on Day Two of the Summit for the various leaders to eulogise ‘that wonderful Prime Minister in New Zealand who has led her country out of 9 years of neglect and into the promised land … all while having one of them baybee thingies…’
  
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  December 1, 2018 2:42pm
  - sooty
    
    How come Comrade Cindy got no invite?
    Did no one want to sit next to her?
    
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    December 1, 2018 3:03pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Maybe Karen Pence told her to fuck off?
      
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      December 1, 2018 4:14pm
      - sooty
        
        Trumps there! Not even Whinney!
        
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        December 1, 2018 4:56pm
      - MCos
        
        I don’t think Mrs Pence would know what that word meant; either the original meaning or when used as an expletive.
        Having said that her husband has probably had to reluctantly explain a whole new vocabulary lately.
        
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        December 1, 2018 5:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      G20 is for the big guys
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G20
      
      Aussie gets a seat.
      
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      December 1, 2018 4:58pm
      - MCos
        
        I doubt if we’d qualify for a G50.
        
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        December 1, 2018 5:07pm
      - rangitoto
        
        John Key was invited as a guest of the Aussies. Maybe Cinders was hoping for an invite from Trump.
        
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        December 1, 2018 6:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        Jacinderella could run the entertainment for the wives. Bringing Clarke might be a good start.
        
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        December 1, 2018 9:12pm
Fletch

A bad case of “do you know who I am?” disease….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5zx1xzzi7k
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December 1, 2018 2:32pm
- realityczech
  
  Check out these winners
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZBIJTf8U0c
  
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  December 1, 2018 3:41pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Can’t resist.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
  
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  December 1, 2018 4:22pm
realityczech

What Japanese Think of Feminism (Interview)

Here are some role models for you Vege 🙂
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December 1, 2018 4:03pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 54: Marcelo Vanzuita

An athlete who pushed himself to the limits on extreme runs went too far with a sex worker, ignoring the safe words they had set. They agreed that “red” meant “stop straight away” and “yellow” meant “I need a break”, after he had lightly squeezed her throat for the first time.

The code Marcelo Luis Vanzuita, 47, and the woman agreed had worked until August 17, 2017. In text messages leading up to their meeting that day, she had talked about being punished, and discipline in a sexual context was part of her work previously.

But Vanzuita grabbed her by the throat with both hands, held her against a wardrobe and she felt dizzy and short of breath, Judge Peter Hobbs said in the Wellington District Court on Friday.

She said “red”, and told him to stop, but Vanzuita continued, holding a hand around her throat and applying pressure periodically while he had sex with her…..

The victim, 28, said in court that the incident had left her feeling anxious and had given her vivid nightmares.

A probation officer’s report noted that Vanzuita had a sense of ‘entitlement’.

Judge Hobbs also noted that the boundaries had not been respected.

‘The application of the force to the victim’s throat occurred in circumstances that were indecent,’ he noted.

Marcelo Vanzuita is known for competing in high-endurance sports competitions such as the 700km Ultra Yukon race in sub zero conditions.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/108993744/extreme-athletes-rough-stuff-with-sex-worker-went-too-far
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6445071/Athlete-paid-unprotected-sex-prostitute-ignored-safe-word-strangled-her.html

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/themes/adventure/89554609/Kiwi-adventurer-Marcelo-Vanzuita-hunted-by-wolves-during-epic-race-in-Canada-pulls-out

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
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December 1, 2018 4:07pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  December 1, 2018 4:20pm
- realityczech
  
  Morrie, Marcelo Vanzuita sounds like a lefty. Unusual then that he was choking out an adult hooker, rather than a drugged child of the same gender. Which is the norm at lefty gatherings it seems.
  
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  December 1, 2018 4:21pm
  - starboard
    
    “FIST WATCH” a division of Up the bum, No harm done Ltd.
    
    1 ) Morrissey Breen.
    
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    December 1, 2018 5:05pm
Morrissey

Who the FUCK downvoted this? Piss off, Vanzuita.
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December 1, 2018 4:19pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Me, because it FUCKING deserved it. And I won’t be the only one.
  
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  December 1, 2018 4:21pm
  - sooty
    
    So did I!
    Edit What you guna do about it? Run off to you safe space at the labour party rooms?
    
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    December 1, 2018 4:51pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Did I not observe some safe word or something, Cap’n? You disgusting old pervert, you.
    
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    December 1, 2018 5:49pm
- JibberJabber
  
  LoL, Triggered! Kiwibloggers warming causes another snowflake meltdown.
  
  Ermagawd …and his mummy has locked the door to the safe space and his blanky and teddy are inside….
  
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  December 1, 2018 5:08pm
Swifty

The second one of these in NZ I’ve seen today alone (the other was for an Indian ‘upskirter’ who was caught red-handed but discharged without conviction due to the implications a conviction could have on his immigration status):

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/canterbury-top-stories/109017437/immigrants-assault-conviction-quashed-by-high-court-over-deportation-worries

So do we now have one law for citizens and one rule for immigrants?

This is wrong.

You come here you’d better keep your bloody nose clean or you might find yourself booted out – what’s wrong with that?
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December 1, 2018 4:24pm
- realityczech
  
  Yeah but if they throw out all the perverts and crims who will vote for Labour?
  
  We need some sort of token opposition to keep politicians on their toes.
  
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  December 1, 2018 4:27pm
  - Longknives
    
    Jesus mate if they threw out all the “Perverts and Crims” that would be half the Labour Party gone as well!
    
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    December 1, 2018 5:50pm
Keeping Stock

RIP George H. W. Bush

George Herbert Walker Bush, America’s 41st president, has died. He was 94.

Bush died at 10.40pm CT on Friday, his office confirmed in a statement.

Bush was a steadfast force on the international stage for decades, from his stint as an envoy to Beijing to his eight years as vice president and his one term as commander in chief from 1989 to 1993.

The last veteran of World War II to serve as president, Bush came to be seen as a consummate public servant and a statesman who helped guide the nation and the world out of the U.S.-Soviet Cold War that had carried the threat of nuclear annihilation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12169681
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December 1, 2018 6:09pm
- nasska
  
  While I too regret his passing I struggle to remember anything much of his accomplishments.
  
  Other than being less of an idiot than his son.
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:15pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I struggle to remember anything much of his accomplishments.
    
    Johnboy will help. As he showed us on the Gordon tribute thread the other day, he has a knack for finding something positive to say about anyone!
    
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    December 1, 2018 6:27pm
    - nasska
      
      This one will be a challenge, even for JB!
      
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      December 1, 2018 6:31pm
      - Longknives
        
        Wait till we get President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Nasska!
        You will be wishing men like George Bush were still alive…
        
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        December 1, 2018 6:41pm
- realityczech
  
  He was another warmonger who put the interests of (((another))) country ahead of those of America.
  
  Having said that, he was no worse than the others and better than many.
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:36pm
- Morrissey
  
  President No. 41, Groper No. 1….
  
  “GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
  1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom….
  
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  December 1, 2018 9:59pm
All_on_Red

Breaking News is Investigating Attorney John Huber (working with the IG of the DOJ) has just had Federal Agents interview the Whistleblower inside the Clinton Foundation.
Apparently they’ve been given lots of documents.
Trumps been referring to it.
#Lockherup
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December 1, 2018 6:12pm
All_on_Red

Climate Alarmist Neil de Grasse Tyson in trouble

‘Cosmos host Neil deGrasse Tyson is under investigation by Fox, National Geographic and the producers of his scientific docuseries following new allegations of sexual misconduct, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed.
Two women came forward with claims of inappropriate sexual advances in a story in Patheos on Thursday. In 2014 a first accuser, a former classmate of deGrasse Tyson’s at the University of Texas in Austin, accused him of rape in a blog post.’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-national-geographic-investigate-neil-degrasse-tyson-claims-1165582

Why are all these Climate Alarmist guys such sexual predators?
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December 1, 2018 6:19pm
- Nostradamus
  
  All On Red:
  
  Why are all these Climate Alarmist guys such sexual predators?
  
  I assume you directed that question to Stephieboy? Or was it to Morrissey? Aren’t we lucky to have such distinguished experts here!
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Whatever happened to those gropey claims against Al Gore?
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/two-more-women-accuse-al-gore-of-assault-2010-7?r=US&IR=T
    
    Did they get hushed up?/Masseuses paid off??
    
    Is Al Gore on Morrissey’s Groper List
    (I never read his lists)
    
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    December 1, 2018 7:28pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Is Al Gore on Morrissey’s Groper List
      (I never read his lists)
      
      Bu-u-u-u-ull-SHIT, Maggy. That was about as convincing a lie as “I didn’t inhale”, and “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
      
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      December 2, 2018 6:43am
- Longknives
  
  Why are all these Left Wing men such Sexual Predators?
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:32pm
  - sooty
    
    Wooden you know it they belong to the Labour party!
    
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    December 1, 2018 10:45pm
- realityczech
  
  LOL 🙂
  
  Guilty. All accusers should be believed and asking for a shred of evidence is victim blaming.
  
  Why oh why are the modern left so inclined to commit sex crimes?
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:32pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”Why oh why are the modern left so inclined to commit sex crimes?”…..
    
    I’ll give it a shot. Most of them are slimy, piss-weak metrosexuals who the average woman wouldn’t oblige with a charity fuck.
    
    It only leaves them rape & stupefaction as alternatives to masturbation.
    
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    December 1, 2018 6:38pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Wait till we get President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!”…..
    
    We’ll all be wishing that men like Hilary Clinton were still alive!
    
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    December 1, 2018 6:45pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      men like Hilary Clinton
      
      You really can’t go past Helen Clark with her deep manly voice, and her butch assistant, surely?
      
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      December 1, 2018 6:47pm
      - nasska
        
        This is how Hillary will live in my memory:
        
        https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/388505905339868582/
        
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        December 1, 2018 6:52pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Maybe they are control freaks?
  Control freakishness is a precursor for being a sexual predator, perhaps…
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:37pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes that is my theory. Essentially they have a very grim view of their fellow man and believe they must be controlled with force (by them), or else terrible things will happen.
    
    The problem is they are projecting their own twisted proclivities onto others and assuming others think like them.
    
    Once they have power there is a toxic combination of depravity/power/contempt for others. This never goes well.
    
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    December 1, 2018 6:41pm
- realityczech
  
  “These two allegations come a year after musician Tchiya Amet first accused Tyson of raping her when they were grad students.”
  
  So we have 3 victims and one of them came out a year ago, but no outrage and no justice, after a year!
  
  Seems rape is okay if you are a black Trump hater.
  
  https://www.vulture.com/2018/11/neil-degrasse-tyson-being-investigated-for-sexual-misconduct.html
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:55pm
Longknives

RIP President Bush!
WW2 Veteran, Vice President to the great Ronald Reagan and then President himself from ’89 to ’93..
A life well lived.
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December 1, 2018 6:37pm
- Longknives
  
  I repeat-
  Wait till we get President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!
  You will all be wishing men like George Bush were still alive…
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:42pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/government-won-t-commit-to-pulling-out-of-controversial-un-migration-agreement.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Government won’t commit to pulling out of controversial UN migration agreement
1 hour ago
Jamie Ensor

“Its adoption ceremony is expected to take place on December 10-11 in Marrakesh, Morocco.
Although that ceremony is less than two weeks away, whether New Zealand will support the pact is unknown, with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) telling Newshub on Tuesday the Government is currently considering its position and will make a final decision before the adoption ceremony.”

“It is paramount that New Zealand, a responsible international citizen, be part of the cooperative solutions initiated by the Compact,” Green Foreign Affairs spokesperson Golriz Ghahraman told Newshub.”

“The alternative is the violent and shameful approach displayed right now by the US” Ghahraman

“National, on the other hand, is concerned by the Compact, saying policies around migration are the “sole competence of the country concerned”.
National’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson Todd McClay told Newshub he would be concerned “by any move that gives the UN more authority or influence over our domestic refugee and migration settings”.
“Whilst well intentioned, the UN Migration Compact is likely to have unintended consequences for New Zealand,” said Mr McClay.”

Fucking Weak National!!!

Where is Bridges CONDEMNING this shit Key left us with?

How is the NZ Human Rights Commission’s attempt to use the UN to create the offence of “disharmonious speech targeted at the religion and beliefs of ethnic minority communities” with particular reference to “Muslim New Zealanders” going Simon?

The UN NZHRC ‘submission’ occurred under a National govt.

Simon Bridges is chillingly silent.
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December 1, 2018 6:45pm
- Longknives
  
  What the fuck National?
  This is an absolute ‘Game Changer’ for New Zealand.
  If we sign this we will lose control of our own Borders and any say in who gets to come here! (Just look at what the Sudanese Gangs and lunatic Muslims are doing to once beautiful Melbourne!)
  The implications of signing this are utterly chilling!!!
  
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  December 1, 2018 6:55pm
- All_on_Red
  
  If they are not saying then they are going to commit to it.
  
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  December 1, 2018 7:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I agree.
    
    It’s a done deal boys.
    
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    December 1, 2018 7:31pm
- realityczech
  
  “the violent and shameful approach displayed right now by the US”
  
  Under Obama the toughest immigration laws in US history were implemented. He threw out more illegals than any other president ever.
  
  He dropped bombs on foreigners at the rate of nearly 3 an hour for every hour in office. He held the US at war longer than any president in the history of the country.
  
  But he was black so he got a peace prize. These people make me sick. Golriz Ghahraman the defender of war criminals does it again!
  
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  December 1, 2018 7:18pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Simon Bridges is chillingly silent.”
    
    Because he does not want to be called “racist” and compared to Trump by the left.
    
    Well that role is already filled by Ardern who has been compared to Trump in the international media for her fanatical hatred of Asians.
    
    Simon needs to grow some balls and do what is right. He needs to do it loud and proud.
    
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    December 1, 2018 7:30pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      He might be surprised by how his popularity would rise if he stopped acting like a politician and stood for something
      
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      December 1, 2018 7:44pm
      - realityczech
        
        Have Maori been consulted, as required by the Treaty, on Labour throwing the doors open to even more colonisation of Aotearoa?
        
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        December 1, 2018 7:48pm
      - Longknives
        
        I’m starting to think that National need a ‘Trump-like’ leader.
        One who doesn’t give a fuck about the Media or Political Correctness and concerns themselves with the wellbeing of New Zealand!
        Simon doesn’t seem to realise that ANYTHING he says or does will be mercilessly attacked by NZ’s Labour friendly media regardless…
        *Example- Both Bridges and Ardern said they believed Santa Claus was a man- Yet only one of them was relentlessly attacked and called a ‘Bigot’ etc etc
        
        Step up Judith?
        
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        December 1, 2018 7:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        To make my point. It’s about time Pollies like McClay were more direct about some of the BS morons in the Green Party say.
        He could have said, “Comments by Ghahraman just confirm the naivety and ignorance that the Greens spout about US policy which might be good for their base support but is not actually true. This Immigration policy is bad for NZ.”
        
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        December 1, 2018 8:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Longknives
        I actually think Bridges could have it in him. All he has to do is start by calling the MSM out on their bullshit.
        Plenty to choose from.
        Just look at the ignorant deluded nonsense from Herald journalist (now there’s an oxymoron) Chris Keall.
        
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        December 1, 2018 8:11pm
- Nostradamus
  
  The final draft dated 11 July 2018 states at paragraph 4:
  
  Refugees and migrants are entitled to the same universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, which must be respected, protected and fulfilled at all times. However, migrants and refugees are distinct groups governed by separate legal frameworks. Only refugees are entitled to the specific international protection as defined by international refugee law. This Global Compact refers to migrants and presents a cooperative framework addressing migration in all its dimensions.
  
  And the article that Rodney Randall linked to states:
  
  A similar compact focussed on refugees is also in development.
  
  Another one…
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:15pm
  - nasska
    
    Which could be summed up as advocating for our nation to be overrun by useless, workshy, bludging Muslims.
    
    I see no alternative interpretation.
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:23pm
    - realityczech
      
      “workshy, bludging”
      
      Silly nasska, you don’t need to work when you have “rights”. It is all laid on for you.
      
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      December 1, 2018 8:27pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    In the US, once you step foot on US soil you enjoy the protection of the Constitution.
    This document means that you don’t have to reach any Nations soil.
    You have rights immediately. In fact it looks like rights more that the legal citizens enjoy- just by declaring you are a refugee or immigrant.
    It defeats Sovereignty.
    Anybody who supports this is a Globalisation stooge.
    They want to destroy your culture.
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:34pm
    - realityczech
      
      Sounds great AoR.
      
      I look forward to that great friend of the West – Saudi Arabia – conferring those rights to thousands of black Christians and atheists pouring out of Africa, along with their fellow Muslims.
      
      They have plenty of space and tons of money. Saudi Arabia should be an immigration Mecca and a multicultural multi religious global center of enrichment.
      
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      December 1, 2018 8:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol the Sauds aren’t stupid.
        They know the last thing they need is uneducated illiterate immigrants causing a drain on their resources forever.
        They need those resources for their own indolent ruling class.
        They say “let the peasants we import do the work and when they are done they can fuck off to the shit hole they came from with the bag of gold we gave them.”
        Harsh but smart.
        Send them to Germany instead. Putin let them escape from Syria. No wonder him and MBS were laughing at the G20
        
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        December 1, 2018 8:45pm
nasska

Various commenters have warned of the danger of the Communist Chinese taking over our country.

If the promised Muslim invasion under the auspices of the hopelessly corrupt UN occurs I for one will welcome Chairman Xi & his mates with open arms!
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December 1, 2018 8:27pm
- realityczech
  
  While you fuss over religious matters a whole bunch of even worse immigrants might pour in. The issue is not religion, but that their cultures do not fit with our own.
  
  The recent drug dealing gang thug being a great example.
  
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  December 1, 2018 8:34pm
  - nasska
    
    You’re wrong on this one RC. Normal criminals should not enter our country but if they do they can be dealt with (sort of) by our pathetically weak justice system.
    
    Religious nutters are far more dangerous as their actions are backed not only by their culture but their half baked religious convictions.
    
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    December 1, 2018 8:41pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      And they WILL be backed by the addition of disharmonious (hate) speech laws protecting minority religions i.e
      Islam from criticism – as per the NZHRC’s ‘submission’ to the UNHRC requesting explorative expansions to section 61, all of this done under a NATIONAL GOVT!
      
      I recall, not that long ago, Hazim Arafey (President of the New Zealand Federation of Islamic Associations’) requesting that Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern be BANNED from entering New Zealand.
      
      His words: “She abuses her right of freedom of speech. She’s just going to give a talk in which she’s just going to insult all of us” and “I don’t think insulting Muslims comes under free speech, that’s an abuse of freedom of speech.”
      
      FIANZ and NATIONAL can go to hell.
      
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      December 1, 2018 8:56pm
      - Swifty
        
        Right on Rodney.
        
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        December 1, 2018 9:01pm
    - realityczech
      
      nasska I see your point. But don’t under estimate the problem some countries have with criminals from Christian countries. Their are some very hard boys in certain parts of Europe.
      
      The real point is that all countries should be able to pick and choose who they let in. It is a basic sovereign right. So is the right to be racist about it all. I don’t care.
      
      The only thing I object to is attacking other races and cultures in their own country. It’s a very simple concept – mind your own business. Works both ways.
      
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      December 1, 2018 9:12pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”The only thing I object to is attacking other races and cultures in their own country. It’s a very simple concept – mind your own business. Works both ways.”…..
        
        Fair comment.
        
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        December 1, 2018 9:28pm
Rodney Randall

“These people should know that Italy no longer wants to be part of this business of clandestine immigration and they will have to look for other ports to go to,”
“As minister and as a father, I take this action for the benefit of all,” -Salvini

” .. ” – SimonBridges
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December 1, 2018 8:40pm
KeaRea

So I’ve had a little more in depth look at the migration compact. This is a longer post. Bear with me.

How Labour voters who were anti immigration could support this is beyond me. And NZ First voters?! Why National are not using an opportunity to take swing votes is beyond me. You don’t even have to deal with the migrant issue? How about pure national sovereignty? The potential for Iwi/kiwi dichotomies is immense. Winston and our idiot PM said many things on immigration. Why are National not exploiting it? Go around the media until they have to report on it.

Clause 11 says, paraphrasing ‘because illegal immigration is going to happen anyway we need to facilitate it’. As Stefan Molyneux points out, that logic only applies to illegal immigration. Not guns for example. Or free speech. Or free enterprise. Or sex trafficking. Imagine applying that logic to rape. Rapes are going to happen anyway so we need to facilitate rape and cooperate with rapists at the points of departure, transit, and settlement.

Clause 12 says ‘countries are being transformed forever’ as if it has nothing to do with deliberate policy decisions. It’s just a fait accompli a priori.

Cl 13 “migration should never be an act of desperation” – why? It should be ‘consensual’ lol. They do that Jordan Peterson Crowleyian redefining of words. Its consensual if coerced.

Cl 14: allows for national sovereignty before the total carve outs.

CL 15: the Compact is an anti discrimination Trojan Horse. “We reaffirm the commitment to oppose all forms if discrimination against migrants”- If you oppose anything migrants want like genital mutilation etc that’s an offence at international law.

There are 23 objectives which are a total wishlist. They simply dissolve any difference between citizen and illegal alien. Just a few examples “facilitate mutual recognition of skills” – because the University of Swahili is the same as Otago. “Provide full access to services” – why? They are a privilege of citizenship. “Establish procedures for the portability of social security and other earned benefits” – right. So national super should just be a voucher the wielder ia entitled to instantly and from anywhere, including back home in Mumbai! And its totally equal you know. Any white person is fully entitled to portability of their Pakistani benefits in New Zealand.

“Ensure all migrants have total legal support and individualised due process” – the compact actually bans collective actions. See, in every single other facet of life the globalist SJW promotes group identity. But not here. Here, everyone is an individual entitled to tax payer funded legal deliberations. And the compact would set up a while set of new bureaucracies to defend illegal aliens from any form of legal redress.

Objective 8 bans govts from preventing ‘humanitarian assistance’. So if Soros wants to fund the Indragheta to ship in millions of Africans to Sicily he can do that with impunity. A govt cannot prevent NGOs ‘helping’ and is prohibited from ‘collective actions’. Anyone who says they are “enhancing reception and integration capabilities” like the Muslim Brotherhood or B’nai B’rith has total impunity. You cannot stop them. Likewise these parasites have a total right to life. If they come and get into trouble they have to be saved, and must be ushered in, at which point all their other ‘rights’ catalyse.

Objective 11.27 “we commit to manage our borders in a coordinated manner… to facilitate regular migration…”
There is no national sovereignty here. None. The compact says to prevent ‘irregular’ migration you make all immigration ‘regular’ as all migrants have a right to citizenship benefits im western countries because of climate change.

Obj 12 – detention is a last resort, and can only come after exhausting all alternatives.

Obj 16 ’empower integration’ by massive diversity and inclusion campaigns and removal of threats to ‘social cohesion’ based on ‘mutual respect’. That’s funny because Indians, Chinese and Muslims don’t respect elements of western culture in various ways. There is zero obligation in the compact on the migrant. We are all to simply be reengineered from birth to love the illegal alien.

Obj 17 eliminates discrimination ‘against migrants’. There is no provision for discrimination that goes the other way.

It says migrants have to be given tax payer dollars to collectively punish ‘incitements to violence’ defined as infringements on their right to do whatever they like. Ah, that looks familiar. The NSW law criminalised speech using exactly the same tacit language. I wonder who will benefit from this little ? criticism of migrants will become a hate crime equivalent to violent physical assault.

Objective 17 c is the worst one. It says states must re-educate media to be pro migration, and ban all forms of media which are ‘xenophobic or discriminatory, including internet based media’…

“…stopping allocation of public funding or material support to media that systematically promote intolerance
…in full respect for freedom of the media”

Hahahaha

17 g is amazing – it says you have to give migrants tax payer funding to prosecute ‘discrimination’ “…including in the context of electoral campaigns”.

Hahahahaha there it is. National sovereignty is preserved goy. I apologise but it’s just so brazen.

If Simon is even one tenth as good as he thinks he is, he should turn this abomination into NZ electoral poison.

If Labour fuck everyone with this it will be a total betrayal of their election platform.

I mean look at it. Look at the state of this document. New Zealanders will recoil from this.

Internationally I don’t see how this can be resolved without violence. Trump needs to get back control of the CIA and start arranging plane crashes and nuclear plant accidents for the authors and supporters of this evil. Because this is pure unadulterated neo-babelism. This is Rotherham on steroids. We have to start sinking the boats. This is a recipe for the end of the world.
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December 2, 2018 2:38pm
- realityczech
  
  I am not anti immigration, but are strongly against this. All countries have a right to chose who lives there and are answerable to no one for those choices.
  
  Once a person is allowed into a country – then yeah – equal rights for all. And I mean equal, not “special” rights for selected groups.
  
  Of course this sort of common sense approach will never work in 2018 and I expect NZ will be signed up to this and the media will celebrate Ardern for doing it.
  
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