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Notsofast

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The New Zealand Herald broadcast video of the October 2017 appeal where Mark Lundy challenged his conviction.

This is now part of the public record, which is most unusual for an appeal against a conviction for murder. The contents are hugely revealing of the credibility of both the prosecution case and the defence case. Transcripts of this hearing will soon be published to demonstrate some quite vital parts, and so the people can clinically assess for themselves who is telling the truth.
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December 19, 2018 8:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The ham actor is where he belongs. Give it up.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:04am
  - Morrissey
    
    Has anybody interviewed Lundy’s even more evil fat doppelganger yet?
    
    His name is Gerry Brownlee.
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:44am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I must admit that Lundy is a better actor than Cindy.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:04am
  - Inandout
    
    He certainly was an expert blubberer.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:22am
  - Notsofast
    
    Chuck:
    I consider you one of the sane analysts on this message board, and you bring an international perspective. You know well that there is no continuity between facts and the legal interpretation of the facts. We are dealing with this conundrum in the Lundy case. The funeral is an interesting case, Mark was deemed unpresentable by his sister at the funeral because of the state of his eyes, he was commanded to wear dark glasses to conceal his tear stricken grief. All this bullshit about an act is demeaning to the facts in the case.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:37am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Those who attended the wake at the English pub just across the road from St Peters say he was in fine form Notsofast; very “hail fellow, well met”, with not a tear stained eye in sight. Some felt that was somewhat odd, in the circumstances.
      
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      December 19, 2018 11:32am
      - Notsofast
        
        The dark glasses were to conceal red eyes, what other reason to wear them? The after match at any funeral would look ridiculous to an alien, seldom is there such jollity in ordinary life.
        
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        December 19, 2018 1:21pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  And still…
  
  …nobody cares
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:38am
  - Notsofast
    
    Not yet, but now the thread is off moderation I take that as encouragement to expand on a constitutional problem, where the chief justice must weather an immediate attack on her judgement in a bellweather criminal case. The attack will be unprecedented and deadly accurate. God help New Zealand in this swamp.
    
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    December 19, 2018 1:25pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Got to hand it to you Notsofast for your determination in championing a lost cause. Pissing in the ocean doesn’t even come close.
      
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      December 19, 2018 7:45pm
duggledog

Clearly the Worst Government Ever is also the most Cunning Government Ever.

They have known full well since Jacinda was DJing that it is impossible to solve their manufactured ‘Housing Crisis’ without drastically altering their beloved Resource Management Act, let alone relying on the now laughable ‘Kiwi Build’ scam.

So: Cindy’s “Government” quietly sets about relieving Rich Pricks from their hard-earned property(s) by:

Signaling to Landlords crazy stuff like tenants should be allowed dogs and paintbrushes

Loading ever more taxes and regs on Landlords so the whole thing isn’t worth it

Signaling strongly a CGT is on the way / and / or other property taxes, removing the loophole etc

Advising the public just before Xmas via a poorly camouflaged ‘leak’ that seaside properties (and there are many of those in NZ) are going to be ‘swamped’ LOL in less than 20 years – and become uninsurable

There are more examples but the only flooding we’re going to see will be in the NZ housing market. That’s their plan.
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December 19, 2018 8:02am
- sooty
  
  Not me, I sold three.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:07am
  - igm
    
    We got to hell out of domestic rentals years ago, going to commercial, which attracts a decent type of tenant, they being responsible and appreciative.
    Contrasts to the shit out there wrecking houses, defaulting on rent, too lazy to mow lawns or open windows, and supported by a sleezy government and tribunal.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:55am
- peterwn
  
  Properties would be effectively uninsurable against rising seas since the company can pull the plug on the policy at each renewal. Perhaps the bigger hazard insurers face is arson if an owner considers there is no future in owning that property.
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:04am
Chuck Bird

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December 19, 2018 8:03am
- dave_c_
  
  Not hard to do – Cindy is no actor at all – she’s just the way she is – a total moron, who cannot keep track of a single straight story line.
  
  Edit – Hey Chuck – where has your comment gone ?
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:06am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Up in response to Notsofast.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:22am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And down the gurgler along with him.
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:22am
holysheet

One day at Jethros work, these people from a lab came in to do a random drug test and randomly picked about 30% of people from the office that they said they were going to test.
Jethro was not picked, but his co-worker Mohammed was…
He said to Jethro, “Fuck, I smoked some hashish about 2 months ago…”
He said, “I’ll give you 500 dollars if you’ll piss for me.”
Jethro replied “sure mate,” and he quickly pissed into an empty bottle under his desk, and gave it to Mohammed so he could take it into the bathroom and transfer it to his cup.
Jethro sniggered as he was Lawnmowered out of his mind just last weekend.
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December 19, 2018 8:04am
stoptheboats

The Diversity Dividend, update 2. Bloggers may recall my earlier post re new Viet neighbors not mowing lawn. Still not mowed and looks disgusting in our well kept street.We offered our mower but no understando English.The council said theres no bylaw about it and go and see Citizens advice!
They may be refugees, but can people just arrive in nz with no English,and no basic cultural knowledge?
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December 19, 2018 8:10am
- sooty
  
  Ring up stephie and borrow one of his goats.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:18am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The goat won’t get to finish nibbling the lawns as they will probably eat the goat.
    Flood their letterbox with lawn mowing pamphlets.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The council would soon become interested if there was a long dry spell and it turned into a fire hazard.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:29am
  - Colinxy
    
    Captain Mainwaring offers the easiest advice. Claim the long grass is a fire hazard (which it will be).
    
    The Fire Service will then pester them into cutting it or paying fines.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:56am
- Paulus
  
  But do they understand Maori as it would be allright !
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:21am
- MickMac
  
  It would be preferable if no migrant or refugee is allowed into NZ without signing a good character and Values statement, that is enforceable.
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:31am
  - igm
    
    Mick: After reading this we need some assurance as to the value and decency of immigrants. Why are we forced to read WO to get these articles. Are MSM totally controlled by the Little faction?
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/12/if-it-looks-like-a-duck-and-quacks-like-a-duck/
    This is really serious shit.
    
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    December 19, 2018 12:07pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I suggesting talking to the real estate co. that rented it out or the landlord directly if you know who it is. Did you try that?
  
  Or do the people own the house?
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:54am
- dime
  
  go fuck yourself – thats the official line.
  
  diversity is amazeballs cause of umm food.
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:56am
- Sacha
  
  If I felt that annoyed about the long grass – you know what? I might just run my mower over the lawn once or twice – maybe teach one of the kids how to use it, if they’re old enough.
  I suspect coming to a new country, with all the stresses that that might incur, could put lawn mowing right down at the bottom of a long list . . . . .
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:57am
secondcumming

IN THE HOUSE 18/12/2018

*QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSA* (wtf?)

Q1. Simon Bridges to the PM …….[watch @ 6m 20s]

Supplementary-

SB: Does she know Ritchie Hardcore well?

PM: Mr Speaker, I have made no secret of that. I’ve known Mister Hardcore for a number of years in a number of disguises.

https://vimeo.com/306936911
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December 19, 2018 8:11am
- Keeping Stock
  
  To be fair, my recollection was that Ardern admitted to knowing Hardcore (real name Richie Steward) in “a number of guises”.
  
  One wonders if that “number of guises” included that of a close, personal relationship, as has been alluded to around the traps.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:22am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Still sounds odd that, as Cindy claims, she only received one text out of the blue “commending Labour on the decision to give Sroubek residency” with no previous communication on the subject between Hardcore and Cindy.
    She certainly looked extremely uncomfortable when Simon began questioning her.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:30am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Wouldn’t it be something if it turns out organised crime has compromised the Prime Minister’s family?
      That would give NZ Certain European flavour. A La Italy in the 1980s. If you understand which line I’m taking with my mower?
      
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      December 19, 2018 8:33am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I haven’t watched the exchanges, but I have seen Simon on odd occasions. He remains very calm, calculated, unemotive. If I were Jacinda, I’d be shitting myself every time he gets up to ask a question. Because he always knows the correct answer before he gets started….
      
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      December 19, 2018 8:34am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Paula is very good too.
        
        She is calm and on the ball.
        
        She had Mallard cornered yesterday about when the acting PM speaks for the PM
        
        Mallard is trying to cover for Winston’s misspeaks about Sroubek’s wife.
        
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        December 19, 2018 8:58am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Bridges has certainly changed his questioning technique over the last few months. His supplementary questions are short, succinct, and to the point, and he will often repeat the question until such time as the PM attempts to give an answer.
        
        He clearly goaded her into her well-rehearsed “Simple Simon” dig yesterday, and it was pleasing that Mallard at least made her withdraw and apologise. I guess her “kind and compassionate” style of government is just a myth, like her open and transparent government.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:10am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Maggy – don’t forget that Peters’ accusations about Sroubek’s ex-wife being a “National Party informant” are now the subject of a Breach of Privilege complaint by Mark Mitchell. I am not sure whether Mallard has yet ruled whether a matter of privilege exists, which would require the Privileges Committee to meet. Let’s not forget 2008, when Peters was censured by his peers for misleading them.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:14am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        KS – I was disgusted that Mallard was so slow to react to that one. It was a barb in the first place, and secondly there is a clear rule about not addressing members by their first names.
        Mallard is also slow to his feet when Winston tries his comic routine by calling other members “Sunshine”.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:41am
  - Poppa
    
    I am sure the truth will find the surface eventually KS.
    
    My money is on there being a number of text exchanges, I simply don’t believe that she did not reply for a start
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:39am
    - kevn
      
      @Poppa… A good question for Bridges to ask would be “does the PM have more than one cell phone? If so how many?”
      
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      December 19, 2018 8:53am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Yes. And or a quick look at her phone call on the day of the text to see if there were any reply phone calls to Hardcore’s number.
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:15am
      - kevn
        
        @SKnott… JA gets the txt in question on ‘the’ phone and replies with a call on another phone. Seems too easy.
        ‘The’ txt may well be nothing much.
        I hope Bridges is on-the-money here.
        
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        December 19, 2018 10:49am
    - alloytoo
      
      I believe the PM used the term communicate in the manner Clinton used “Inhale” and “Sexual relations.”
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:19am
  - mandk
    
    But she was trying to imply the other day that a text from Hardcore was no big deal because lots of people had her mobile number, which she hadn’t changed for years.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:40am
  - Woz
    
    Who, in God’s name, would change their name to “Hardcore”?
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:00am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      Someone who thinks they are hardcore.
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:20am
      - Woz
        
        It was a kind of rhetorical question. I think we’re under no illusion as to the sort of character he is.
        
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        December 19, 2018 11:04am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    But has she at least revealed the time and date of the text? That should be no great secret, surely?
    
    Because she keeps telling us that she only heard of the Sroubek case via the media.
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:15am
- sooty
  
  Don’t yu just luv it!
  So what disquises were they ,bank robber, doctor, nurse, worker, drug dealer, car sales man, dairy owner?
  What the fuck!
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:22am
  - VicParking
    
    Richie Dug the garden before Jethro took over
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:35am
    - sooty
      
      Mowed the lawn as well!
      Is that were the term lawnmower, came from?
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:44am
- KevOB
  
  I believe Ardern said “guises”. She was measuring out her words.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:48am
  - freethinker
    
    Perhaps she mispoke and meant DISguises.
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:05am
  - Paulus
    
    Not “Disguises” !
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:23am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Look up the definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/guise
    
    Costume, semblance, pretext.
    
    None of them make ‘guise’ a positive thing.
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:36am
    - KevOB
      
      Guise = paramour?
      
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      December 19, 2018 12:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Has the PM chosen this word carefully… or has she made a Freudian slip?
      
      For she has told us Richie Hardcore is not what he appears to be.
      guise
      noun [ U ] UK /ɡaɪz/ US /ɡaɪz/
      
      the appearance of someone or something, especially when intended to deceive:
      
      Example: The men who arrived in the guise of drug dealers were actually undercover police officers.
      https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/guise
      
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      December 19, 2018 12:27pm
- Komata
  
  SC@0811
  
  And Simon LET IT GO!!
  
  What is it with him; when handed a perfect opportunity to ask more questions, he stops!!
  
  He could have had her on toast, but chose not to. Any idea why?
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He could have had her on toast, but chose not to. Any idea why?
    
    The issue plays on.
    
    Jacinda Ardern has not been able to slip off the hook.
    
    She is being reeled in…. even if she finally slips free, we are all beginning to see her more clearly.
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:09am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Aaargh, in that hideous flabby white and pink outfit, with a haggard face?
      
      I’m only bringing this up because we keep being told how gorgeous and young she is and what a fashion icon.
      
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      December 19, 2018 11:40am
KeaRea

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-boy-scouts-may-declare-bankruptcy-let-them-fade-into-obscurity

Boy scouts went gay. Boy scouts subject to a massive influx of sexual abuse because ‘bad luck’. Boy Scouts going bankrupt. Get woke go broke. Gays destroy every institution they appropriate the same way. The Catholic Church. The Boy Scouts. Hollywood. Always child sex abuse. Always the connection is never made. Normies can’t have any space.

Sick of hearing on the FM all the worrying about the ‘loss’ of Pride parade. Let the trannies consume the entire evil movement.
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December 19, 2018 8:15am
- Classic Liberal
  
  The issues is ‘Always child sex abuse.’ I.e. pedophilia.
  
  The issue is not homosexual relationships between consenting men.
  
  I’d say though that these institutions need a far better way of weeding out pedophiles!
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:46am
oldpark

Angry Andy Little the mouse that roared. Fresh from dumbing down and bullying Judges in their sentencing of offenders with home detention on say a drunk driver killing a young boy on a bicycle. and drug runners allowed to stay in NZ etc! etc!The directive is go touchy feely feely on Criminals and make sure they dont get hurty feelings.
Angry Andy tries the same trick with Google. Out to bully them over disclosing a name of some guy who had already admitted to a henious crime.
At the same time Angry Andy Little also favours the dumbing down of NZs with saying in a referendum on the Legality of sucking Marijuana as against the evil Tobacco that he will vote yes to virtually agree to turn many NZs into Zombies.
What a fughing clown seems he and Peters and the far left Lunatic Green Party have a lot in common out to turn the health and well being of thousands of NZs into a road to nowhere.What a bloody indictment for virtually a clandestine Government.
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December 19, 2018 8:17am
- G152
  
  Little doesn’t realise that NZ laws stop at NZ borders.
  Google is a worldwide phenomena unavailable in countries like China and North Korea and we certainly do not wish to be in that group
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:46am
  - KevOB
    
    Google is not the sole search engine. Big Mouth Ardern stirred the world media up–the matter would have gone unnoticed otherwise.
    
    Little is just doing as Little does: he has the unionist might is right personality.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:56am
    - sooty
      
      Little big man to a T!
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:46am
    - holysheet
      
      only wankers still use goooogle.
      Duckduckgo is for the rest of us.
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:04am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Little wins ‘Twat of the Day’ for this.
    
    Court administration doesn’t send out notices for four days, but it’s all Google’s fault.
    
    The internet does not operate at the speed of the public servants wandering around the Court’s office space.
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:53am
    - Morrissey
      
      Did someone say “twat”?
      
      http://media.beam.usnews.com/1d/47/d7f5a173446899808909a5efb751/170202-donaldtrump-editorial.jpg
      
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      December 19, 2018 11:41am
trout

MSD has decided not to release results of a 2017 survey (post Nat. government) to assess levels of poverty in NZ. The drop in numbers were (to their mind or the mind of their political masters) was too large to be believable (or acceptable). So they have decided to do it again (and make sure the numbers are high!)
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December 19, 2018 8:19am
- mandk
  
  Some of Bryan Perry’s numbers for 2016 and 2017 suggested a big drop, and they were glossed over because they weren’t believed.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:42am
- Harkman
  
  There is never any poverty under Labour governments, it is simply not allowed. Those homeless people sleeping in Hagley Park when I was training at 6AM in 2003-2005, were me hallucinating, not Hulun Cluck and her band of jolly followers failing spectacularly.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:05am
stoptheboats

I see shameless Comrade Cindypants made a smart alec shot at SB in QT yesty. Let’s have some suggestions for a suitable reply for today’s session- I will start with ” on what date did cabinet approve the Prime Minister working part time to assist her personal life” ?
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December 19, 2018 8:20am
- sooty
  
  The day after Whinney selected her!
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:25am
- dave_c_
  
  I was lead to believe that she was on ‘maternity leave’. Is this not the case? What’s going on here ?
  If so, why is she in the house for question time ?
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:27am
  - Sacha
    
    She’s pregnant again?
    Nooooooooo.
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:03am
- MCos
  
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  ‘I see shameless Comrade Cindypants made a smart alec shot at SB’
  
  Not the sort of name calling you’d ever indulge in yourself, to be sure.
  Or anyone else on this forum, for that matter.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    In case you missed it, there is a massive difference between a bit of name calling on a robust blog such as this and Parliament, supposedly the highest court in the land.
    
    Try a bit of name calling directed at a high court judge either in chambers or in open court and see where that lands you.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:42am
    - MCos
      
      Never mind, Tall Man!
      The Speaker rushed to his defence, poor chap.
      By the way.
      I have no intention of putting myself in the position of having to speak to a judge in the circumstances you indicate, but you never know. I might have to go and punch the people over the road who seem to have an interminable supply of fireworks that only work after about ten o’clock at night!
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:22am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Rushed to his defence?
        Mallard’s response was glacial.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:44am
      - sooty
        
        He had to do something, or get called for it!
        Open and transparent goverment?
        Not while the duck is running protection!
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:50am
  - mandk
    
    Not really the point, is it MCos?
    Ardern promised us a kinder type of politics.
    
    She has a history of hypocrisy and lies.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:44am
    - KevOB
      
      Her kinder politics would be to have the Opposition allocated rooms in Pike River and to lock the doors.
      
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      December 19, 2018 8:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Kinder Politics”. Oxymoron, especially emanating from behind those big teeth.
      
      However, every time I hear it I smile as it is such a dumb thing to say.
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:04am
      - Random T Person
        
        I think you’ll find that what we have here is indeed ‘Kinder Politics’. Except, it is Kinder as in Kindergarten or Kinder Surprise…
        
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        December 19, 2018 12:16pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Sorry mandk, misread your post and upticked immediately as I thought it said Tinder.
      Same diff in SLGs case?
      
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      December 19, 2018 1:35pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  working part-time? She may be busy, but I don’t seem much productive work. Constant fudging the answers does constitute work. Photoshoots for some fucking woman’s rag doesn’t constitute work. Working out the litany of lies, half-truths and deflections to cover her sperm donor’s dodgy life doesn’t constitute work.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:29am
  - KevOB
    
    What’s left that she can do?
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:00am
    - sooty
      
      Nothing. Thats the limit!
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:51am
- DigNap15
  
  I thought it was quite clever.
  “It quite Simple… Simon”
  
  How many script writers did she have?
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    Who knows but I doubt it popped out of her addled brain on it’s own.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:43am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    she calls Simon “simple” at her own peril. SLG
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:45am
  - igm
    
    Now we know why “Gnashers” prefers to hang out with kindergarten kids!
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:00am
    - sooty
      
      Great minds think alike!
      Edit. Which is why she does not want to leave her childhood!
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:53am
  - KevOB
    
    Now stand up and apologise; which Ardern did.
    
    She invites comparison as to relative complexity. As for those on the rest of the COL benches__Duh! Even my wife said golly gee without knowing the name. Others have mouths exceeding their bird brain capacity.
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:01am
- peterwn
  
  No, keep that side right out of it. Senior managers are judged by the quality of their work, not the ability to punch a clock at the right times.
  A direct criticism of her time allocation would backfire on the critic. Aiming at the indirect consequences of this (eg not involved in a major Foreign Policy speech) is far better.
  If they want to wisecrack about ‘Simple Simon’ and it gives them warm fuzzies then so be it. The more complacent and secure the COL feel, the better. Similarly if they think National is in disarray, then let them think this. If they get a warm feeling with Simon being on 7%, let them think this – an opposition leader’s poll rating at this point in the electoral cycle means nothing.
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:33am
rightoverlabour

I see stuff(up) are running an article suggestion Zero Alcohol Limits. When are the twats suggesting this going to realise that the majority of drivers that have one or two drinks and then drive are NOT responsible for the fatal accidents caused by recidivist offenders many times over the limit? You could make the limit zero and there would be exactly the same number of fatalities. Sick of the puritanical, abolish alcohol Nazis.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108920268/vision-zero-lethal-drunk-and-drugged-drivers-an-increasing-menace-on-our-roads
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December 19, 2018 8:22am
Padriv Ustoev

Haha. “Me speaks no enlish.” As an immigrant I can tell you that that is polite way of saying “fuck off, I don’t care.”

Me speak no English – such an oldie but a goodie.
Friend of mine pulled that one on the cops when he got pulled over in Whangarei for drunk driving. The cop was no slouch and doubled down on it. Wrote him down as a non native speaker. They actually got him a Russian interpreter for his court appearance all the way in Whangarei. Threw the book at him too. Which was funny to everyone except my friend. He lived in NZ for 10 years at that stage.
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December 19, 2018 8:23am
- sooty
  
  Should have doubled the sentence!
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:27am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Nah. I think they gave him a a fair sentence considering everything. It was pretty harsh for 1st offence.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:35am
    - MickMac
      
      shame… NOT.
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:38am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    My point is. If you have stupid rules, people will abuse them. Why is it the government’s responsibility to provide interpreter for everyone.
    In Switzerland, if you don’t speak the language in court. You pay for interpreter.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:38am
    - simpleton1
      
      PU, A very good point, and wished that applied 100% here.
      
      Translators, is that on the Police budget?
      Judiciary Budget?
      Hospitals and waiting, as suddenly it seems that a translator has to be arranged, or have to wait until the right translator arrives.
      Is that on the health budget?
      Definitely all charged to the taxpayer.
      
      Even if we had slippage, like allow a year in NZ first, then afterward even a sliding scale, increasing per year, as % paid.
      
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      December 19, 2018 11:57am
- Tall Man
  
  In a previous life we had many claiming “no English”. My boss at the time, lovely but tough young woman, would lean over the counter and ask the police officer present to assist in the interview room as a bit of thumping may be in order.
  
  Never saw it fail to elicit “English” from said non speaker.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:46am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    This reminds me of a joke.
    
    In the 90s Russian companies just started doing business with Europeans.
    
    Russian business owner is expecting the arrival of a delegation of foreign business partners.
    
    Three men finally arrive. Russian business man makes the obligatory textbook greetings relying on his 5th form knowledge of English.
    
    “Hello. Wellcome. Pleased to meet you. Tea or Coffee.”
    
    “Coffee please” replies one of the foreigners.
    Before anyone can reply the Russian businessman turns to his secretary and orders her:
    ” Tanya, Coffee for these three assholes, and I look have tea please.”
    At which stage one of the foreigners turns to the secretary and replies in Russian:
    “Coffee, for these two assholes, I’m the interpreter so I’ll have a tea.”
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      The only Russian I ever met while working had a simple phrase which brought a smile to myself and my boss…
      
      “first, we drink”.
      
      Seemed a great way to start a business meeting imho.
      
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      December 19, 2018 5:08pm
secondcumming

Got home a bit late from the gun club last night and the missus was in a filthy mood!

Turns out she’d found a pile of letters I’d been hiding from her. Then she accuses me of cheating and says she’ll never play scrabble with me again.
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December 19, 2018 8:27am
- MCos
  
  That’s reasonable amusing.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:31am
  - secondcumming
    
    A lot of koonts think the same as you. 🙂
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:36am
- Komata
  
  SC
  
  ‘And it’s good night from me and… etc. etc. etc.’
  
  Well done; just don’t play Monopoly..
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:50am
  - secondcumming
    
    That would have punched up the fuckline 🙂
    
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    December 19, 2018 12:59pm
Inandout

I caught a YouTube video on DeNiro’s close relationship with Weinstein. This same DeNiro who chose to abuse Trump in the most disgusting manner. What an arsehole.
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December 19, 2018 8:28am
- DigNap15
  
  And the same guy that hung out with black pron stars
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:32am
- MCos
  
  When you say ‘What an arsehole’.
  What exactly was on the video?
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:33am
  - DigNap15
    
    Most celebs are left wing arseholes
    Up themselves and self serving.
    Anti everything Trump just for the sake of it.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:35am
  - Inandout
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OtoYMM1s2w
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:55am
- Jules99
  
  If that’s all Stuff could come up with for their daily anti-Trump rage, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:38am
- Woz
  
  DeNiro is an anti-vax moron. He lost me right at that point. Nothing he does can surprise me now.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:05am
- Cobolt24
  
  I’ve just googled around and I haven’t found a bad thing DeNiro has said about Weinstein or condemning his behavior.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:22am
DigNap15

And on that girl that killed the boy on the bike (going through lights)
Her lawyer was on newstalk zb last night.
What an evil woman
She thought it was a tough sentence.
What sentence would she think should be given to those idiots that keep drunk driving even after being banned form driving and given short jail sentences?
What will stop them?
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December 19, 2018 8:31am
- Chris2
  
  The mob hysteria over this case is remarkable. The boy contributed to his own death by riding through a red light. And he may have survived had he been obeying the law that requires cyclists to wear a helmet.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:37am
  - brett68
    
    Surprising amount of mob hysteria going on these days.
    I’ve noticed quite a serious regression in critical thinking within the last few years, won’t be too long before we’re back to burning witches.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:42am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Maybe not burning witches, but voting Labour? regression in critical thinking results in morons getting into the halls of power. Just look at Iran 1981. ( and New Zealand 2017).
      
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      December 19, 2018 8:51am
      - brett68
        
        It’s mental laziness which has been purposely cultivated by social media and the MSM.
        
        People live in their own silos completely disinterested and oblivious to what’s going on outside of their social media world.
        
        Democracy is doomed because it cannot function with such an ill informed population.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:20am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Stop on red, don’t block out traffic noise, wear a helmet…
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:43am
    - MCos
      
      Don’t drive alcohol and drug impaired, stop after you hit someone.
      Also her conduct on social media was appalling.
      
      Personally I think it is shameful the way this particular case has been hyped up and now politicised by the Nats.
      The sentence may have been inadequate and there is a hint of a two tiered justice system, but death theats???
      
      “Nathan Kraastskow had a bright future that was stolen away. The depth of feeling from NZers about the sentencing of Rouxle Le Roux is clear – 140,000+ NZers want it appealed. The @nznationalparty was privileged to meet Nathan’s family today & accept the petition on their behalf.”
      NZ National Party on Twitter
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:08am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Politicised by the Nats”……
        
        Where the hell does that come from?
        
        The only death that I have seen politicised recently was Grace Millane’s by the media whore ardern the liar.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:41am
      - MCos
        
        The petition was presented to parliament, not the the National Party.
        It was accepted by a delegation representing both the Nats & Labour.
        Not quite what the tweet infers.
        Furthermore the tweet included a photo which cut out the two Labour MPs presents.
        Here’s a report from the Herald.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178882
        
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        December 19, 2018 10:21am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yup, have to agree. I don’t believe that alcohol or drugs had anything to do with the accident. Riding through a red light without a helmet, probably quite a lot. The alcohol and drugs would have been responsible for fleeing the scene. Punish her for that.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:49am
    - DigNap15
      
      And for having passengers whilst on a restricted?
      
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      December 19, 2018 8:56am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        only if it was contributory, which I doubt. That needs to be treated as a separate matter as having passengers doesn’t change the fact he went through a red light. The reason he is dead is that he drove through a red light and impacted a vehicle. It could have been any vehicle with any driver. The cause of the accident …Oh fuck I give up!
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:14am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        Passengers are allowed if there is a fully licensed driver present.
        
        As someone drove the car home I assume this was the case or the slime would have highlighted the fact.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:21am
    - backster
      
      Who says the child rode through the intersection against the red light.Were there witnesses (apart from the car occupants) or was it an assertion by the lawyer.
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:03am
      - peterwn
        
        Unfortunately we are not in possession of the full facts or the judge’s sentencing notes here. The accident would have been subject to a rigorous Police investigation which would have included what traffic signals ere showing at the time. If there was doubt then this would have come out.
        I too think there is hysteria over this similar to the Salem witch hunts.
        To me, the sentencing issue is simple – is a custodial or non custodial sentence better for the long term future of the accused? The home detention sentence seems to be one that will get her back on the rails. A prison sentence could result in her being derailed permanently. She needs to be held accountable, but it is not for the victim’s family to have her punished so they ‘feel good’.
        
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        December 19, 2018 10:53am
      - alex Masterley
        
        Agree with Peterwn at 10:53
        The sentencing act imposes an obligation on a Judge to impose the least restrictive sentence.
        If that is home d then thats what it is.
        If the judge followed appropriate sentencing guidelines then the prospect of a successful appeal would be very low.
        
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        December 19, 2018 1:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So, every person that fails to wear their helmet or obey a red light deserves to die?
    
    Perhaps if the driver was neither alcohol or drug impaired she may have been able to avoid killing the silly young lad.
    
    Perhaps if she had been an experienced driver she may have been able to avoid killing a silly young lad.
    
    Perhaps if she had been adhering to the conditions of her license she would have not even been there and so avoided killing a silly young lad.
    
    Death is a very high price to pay for being a silly young lad isn’t it.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:52am
    - DigNap15
      
      Perhaps if she had swerved or braked heavily to avoid hitting that boy she may have killed someone else?
      
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      December 19, 2018 8:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well, as she didn’t stay to either plead her case or assist the victim we’ll never know will we.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:14am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @ tall man – I have no issue with throwing the book at her in terms of that aspect of the case. And I am not trying to defend her stupidity, but let’s not demonise her and say it’s her fault the guy is dead. His actions contributed to that.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:17am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      He T boned her. No swerving, no braking, He probably hit her before she saw him coming. I don’t know. I know of a guy in Soth Africa that hit a pedestrian on a motorway at about 120Km/h. He did not even realise he had hit somebody… You can’t see every angle and take in everything in our peripheral vision. The brain only focusses on an area about the size of your thumb nail at any one moment. Demonising this woman because she was drunk doesnt change the fact that the cyclist rode through a red light. And arguing that if she hadn’t been driving is just a bulshit sargument. If her parents hadn’t had sex and conceived her, he would still be alive today, so blame them.
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:06am
      - Sacha
        
        What about peripheral vision? When you look straight ahead, you can still see movement at 90 degrees to the side.
        That’s how you can see pedestrians who step out just as you’re going past –
        Or cyclists who don’t seem to be stopping –
        
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        December 19, 2018 11:13am
    - KevOB
      
      Stupidty has its own rewards. Cyclists have a duty of care to other road users too.
      
      Why do those not present in the Court believe they know better than the trial Judge and the other officials assisting?
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:13am
      - sooty
        
        Was he wearing lycra?
        They have a force feild, dont yu know!
        
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        December 19, 2018 10:02am
    - Nermal
      
      Nice straw man argument there.
      
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      December 19, 2018 4:17pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Nek minit…..
    
    https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1075116563420856321
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:05am
- alex Masterley
  
  Why is the lawyer being criticised?
  She is doing her job for her client and providing an alternative point of view to that of the mob.
  We seem to be on a slippery path to viligante rule in this country. I thought we were better than that.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:50am
  - DigNap15
    
    Noting wrong with vigilante rule
    Some people should be lynched,
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:58am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Like Winston Peters?
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:18am
  - KevOB
    
    Commies work to their self beliefs. Identity politics requires people to line up or be bashed into line. Our schools have produced a generation of potential horrors.
    
    Such people can’t govern either as discrimination is not permissable. Executives don’t appoint “working groups”.
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:21am
  - Sideoiler
    
    ….We seem to be on a slippery path to viligante rule in this country. I thought we were better than that
    
    viligante rule ? how so? no this is what happens when sentencing judges do not sentence consistently and in line with the publics expectations.
    This is what happens when the public percieves that the outcome is dictated by the defendants ability to pay.
    This is what happens when the public percieves that all defendants are not treated equally .
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/92932319/killer-hitandrun-driver-broc-kawhena-sentenced-to-four-years-in-jail
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:42am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Let’s not forget that Ms Le Roux pleaded GUILTY to the charge of Dangerous Driving Causing Death. That implies that she accepted that she drove dangerously, and accepted that it was her dangerous driving that caused the 15yo to be killed. Her lawyer should not now be trying to rewrite history.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:18am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I can’t see how her dangerous driving caused the cyclist to run a red light… If it was me no way would I have pleaded guilty to somebody riding into me.
    
    Was there some kind of plea bargain? I don’t know, wasn’t there and I haven’t read all the facts, (Reading the press is a waste of time) but I am concerned about the mob justice aspect of this case.
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:26am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I have heard that the boy on the bike ran a red light and then last night on TVNZ, it was La Roux who ran the red light. It cannot be both.
      
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      December 19, 2018 9:51am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        That would certainly be more in keeping with the offence she was charged with, and pleaded guilty to.
        
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        December 19, 2018 11:36am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Well, who would have thought we have conflicting reports on who ran the red light. Whoever ran the red light is the problem here. If it was her, I retract all my statements above. It if it was him, I rest my case. However, its good to have a robust debate on mob justice.
        
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        December 19, 2018 2:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    The plea only acknowledges that she accepts the Court’s judgement. To plead not guilty could bring a higher level of sentence. It’s often a bargaining situation when facts and outcomes are not fully clear. When the Police, defendant and counsel all agree on a tolerable result the Statement of Facts can reflect that. That statement is persuasive but the decision still remains with the Judge.
    I have participated in such a situation where the outcome was prison and felt the whole process was fair and the sentence reasonable.
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:36am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  It appears mummy tucked the wee petal into bed to sleep it off the DIC/DUI before calling police to own up to the incident.
  When will mummy be charged with accessory after?
  About time some of these bozo parents got a kick in the slacks.
  ‘Here sweetie, take the merc into town with your mates and party up. What could possibly go wrong?’
  
  And the lawyer claimed that as dangerous driving goes, this crime is on the lower end. Is that because only one person was killed? Sheesh.
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:41pm
Paulus

Am disappointed with regard to Megan Wood’s comments regarding Southern Response in using investigators to get an inside look into what may even be called conspiracies against them set up by Christchurch Lawyers chasing business.
Lets look at the situation a little un politically.
AMI was a local insurance company with no Capital, and as a Mutual was owned by the people who took out Insurance Policies with it. They are the Owners where in any normal situation owned all the Debts too – if incurred.
AMI (Board and Management) changed its policy some years ago into a local cheap cut price Insurer. It undersold the rest of the market.
Now the tragic two Earthquakes occurred. It was election time. AMI as a mutual should/could have called on its Owners – its policy holders – but no – bad politics at the time.
So for political reasons the Government said it would bail out the Shareholders – the Policy owners who didn’t get paid as AMI had run out of Reinsurance Cover (Bad management and Board decisions).
Southern Response as a final cover again for political reasons was formed under first class Management from throughout the Industry.
Personally I am for personal responsibility so would have voted against sloshing out Taxpayers money from throughout the country to pay on an open slather basis.
They did very well paying out legitimate claims – remember there were over 400,000 claims paid in all mostly paid by Overseas Reinsurers until the cover ran out.
What we had left were claims often the subject of dispute. There have been a large number of prosecutions for attempted fraud. Remember it is the New Zealand game to screw any insurance claim anyway and has been for many many years.
At the beginning of this year Woods and King got together and decided effectively that give them all the money they want – after all it is only Tax Payers Money and we have all of it.
Now it is revealed that Southern Response took professional advice fro Claims Investigators as to actions being taken by Legal Groups to do what they can to get hold of Taxpayers money.
After a lifetime in Insurance including as a very senior buck stop person it has been for many many years both here and overseas to ensure that fraud or the like is not taking place. I have instructed actions agains possible misinformation and even actual fraud. How else would any Claims inspector’s nose tell him/her they are not convinced.
Try a simple claim in Australia and the USA and see what happens.
So w have here people doing their jobs to the best of their ability, unrestrained by Taxpayer’s money being the subject of median and political witchhunt to screw Taxpayers money out of the system.
After all this Government has all your money to spend to get re elected. The media ae helping as expected.
Buy a cheap insurance from a market driven Mutual (not Company) which you get to own then renege on your financial responsibilities as Owner and Shareholder.
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December 19, 2018 8:33am
- Tall Man
  
  An excellent and accurate summary of the events.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:56am
- Poppa
  
  Very good Paulus. I too have knowledge of the industry & I think it is fair to say that most people did very well out of earthquake claims.
  
  I also think some people who are yet to settle have received some very poor advice from the legals. Insurers want claims closed, not dragged on year after year as it always leads to increased cost.
  
  Anyone who has not settled need to take a long hard look at themselves rather than blaming the industry in my opinion
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:34am
- freethinker
  
  Hard to disagree, however the tactics used by Southern Response are the same as EQC/Tower/IAG & Vero who also seem to have run out of re insurance to some extent so. I consider such practices by the industry to be their standard but unacceptable to their customers. Research US legislation and consider why states like Texas & Florida have what appears to be draconian legislation of claims settlement and yet the industry there continues to use the same practices and it appears that the consequences are less costly than complying with legislation.Like so much blaming a corporate which is just a name rather than identifying and punishing the individuals responsible for the policy or decisions allows continuation of such immoral practices and some may get a nasty surprise when the next recession(Hope) or depression hits and they are held to account by others using the practices they promulgated. Their squeals of injustice will be music to many ears.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:39am
  - Paulus
    
    Freethinker
    The difference in the above Companies named is that they had Capital backing despite their loss of further Reinsurance cover.
    AMI had Sweet F.A. cover when their Reinsurances ran over.
    
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    December 19, 2018 1:42pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’ve seen ads warning people not to cheat ACC, because they do spy on claimants (e.g. guys claiming back injury but lifting bags of cement).
  
  So when ACC does it, it’s OK, but when a private insurer does it, it’s not?
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:05pm
DigNap15

At least we have two other babies for competition for baby Neve
Ritchie McCaws and
Toni Streets
And I saw an Indian lady at Countdown with one too.
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December 19, 2018 8:34am
- Jules99
  
  Hmmm… Interesting we don’t see many brown babies in the media. Are they racist?
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:40am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Never…
    
    The media is both sexist and racist.
    
    Look at stories involving pakeha girls versus Maori/Polynesian youth.
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    Perhaps they don’t photograph well….or their parents aren’t media hogging whores……
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:57am
- VicParking
  
  Couple a few doors down the road has had twins. Not a beep, in fact when the local paper called to told them to F*K off.
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:45am
- igm
  
  No contest . . . Crockery is up against decent married families that do not use children to gain political popularity.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:05am
- Komata
  
  dn
  
  You mean that BABYEEEEES are more common than the SLG would have us believe?
  
  I wonder if she knows?
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:05am
KeaRea

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2018/december/christians-standing-in-the-way-of-chinas-xi-jinpings-totalitarian-rule

Christians are under attack in China. If only they all had those bad ‘assault rifles’. China is the desired model. There is zero doubt this will happen in the EU and the US eventually. Except the Christians in the US all have AR 13s. So it might be a little bit different. They’re burning bibles and throwing Christians in camps because there are more Christians then communists. In the end, everything comes down to Plato/Aristotle, Satan/God.
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December 19, 2018 8:39am
hullkiwi

Some of you may remember a month or so ago about news of two schools in Sulverdale (Stella Maris & Silverdale Primary) not doing prize giving awards this year. Well, I can report they were not alone. Another primary school also in the Rodney/Hibiscus Coast area did the same last week.

Instead of a prize giving, it was meant to be a celebration of what the children had learned during the course of the year. It was anything but. It was nothing more than the waste of 90 minutes.

It was a poor PC attempt by the principal to avoid making those who wouldn’t receive awards feel like losers. Instead because the school is relatively small (circa 80 children), the principal managed to highlight the achievers and spotlight who the failures were. This was achieved by the fact that not all children were involved, that is the “losers”. For those that did participate, let is say it was obvious which children had and which children hadn’t written their speeches – the clue is when a child uses adult language they cannot read or pronounce.

Let us say there were/have been a series of complaints to school, so much so that the principal had to issue a statement on Monday advising parents that next year the prize giving will stay as it was this year, but at each weeks assembly (whanau time) the achievements of the students will be acknowledged weekly.

Just a couple of questions:
1. When do these left wing, PC buts realise they are damaging our kids with this no winners/no losers bullsh*t? Life is competitive, just get over and get on with it.
2. These principals may be the managers of the school, but who gives them the right to pursue their own agenda without consulting with the school board or the parent community as to whether this is what we want for our community?
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December 19, 2018 8:46am
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  hullkiwi– Thanks for a very informative post. I would say that the main defining principle of the left is “equality”. Now that is not equality of opportunity, it’s more than that. It’s equality of outcome.
  So they are always very frightened that some might win and therefore some might lose. They believe it will damage a child self-esteem if they lose and are rated poorly in front of others.
  
  The left also don’t like winners. To them someone who is winning can only be doing so at the expense of someone else.
  
  This is another reason why I prefer the right. The defining principle of the right is “freedom”. If people are given reasonable opportunity, and I would argue that in New Zealand people are given reasonable opportunity to succeed, then the rest is up to them. Some people will do very well, some people will do moderately well and some people will do poorly. That is real life.
  
  It is no good to educate young minds that life is a bed of roses and all they need to do is show up and they will do great. Young people need to understand that they need to work hard, they need to get a good education and they need to behave reasonably responsibly. Character, perseverance and determination are often forged in those early years of life.
  
  Life does not owe us a free ride. If you want to win in life you need to do more than just show up. You need perseverance and determination and good character. You need to work hard at school. That’s something it would be good to teach our children.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    Trust me, there are many many fine young people coming through but the current system encourages them to keep their heads down.
    
    They do shine though when they exit the pathetic excuse we have for an education system.
    
    I spoke with an awesome young woman at the checkout of my local supermarket last week. She had just completed her BSC and was taking a “gap” year to refresh herself and then return to do her masters. She has a clear career path in her head and a minimal student loan as she worked night shifts and weekends at the supermarket while she studied.
    
    She is an excellent addition to our country’s working citizens and I wished her well for the future.
    
    So, they are out there plus the majority of my close friends have children who have grown up to be great citizens, we just don’t get to see them as they do not support the narrative that the left and the media seek to visit upon us.
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:09am
  - sooty
    
    Yea, the winners are all likely to be rich pricks later in life! Got to burst their bubble now.
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:11am
  - MickMac
    
    Scott
    Now they are pushing “Equal Outcomes”
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      But as we all know, some are more equal than others.
      
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      December 19, 2018 5:10pm
  - Sacha
    
    Perhaps the ‘left’ will stop supporting sports teams , and olympic teams, and anyone who looks at ‘competing’ to get better results than some one else.
    Think of the money they’d save!
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      I just had to report you because that idea would be so appealing to this bunch of pricks in the coalition they’re quite likely to pick it up and run with it.
      
      I’m sure our host will see the humour in my report…but then, he may not 😉
      
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      December 19, 2018 5:12pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘1. When do these left wing, PC buts realise they are damaging our kids with this no winners/no losers bullsh*t? ‘
    
    When their kids grow up and can’t compete with (often Asian) kids whose parents ensured they did achieve.
    
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    December 19, 2018 12:11pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      CL, it is worse than that
      In the case of the principal concerned, it is do as I say and not as I do. Let us say, in the case of her children, they were not allowed to be amongst life’s under achievers. They have just finished high school.
      
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      December 19, 2018 12:21pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Very sly – the more she flattens the others’ achievement level, the easier success is for her kids!
        
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        December 19, 2018 2:26pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Scott well written. I agree with you very much. You realise in order to achieve “equality of outcomes”, they need to give advantage to “life’s losers”, while ensuring the “achievers” face tougher challenges to succeed?
    
    As they say, it would not be a level playing field.
    
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    December 19, 2018 12:27pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Our primary school hasn’t done prizegiving before, but this year – new principal – a row of shiny new silver cups at the eoy break-up.
  Excellent.
  Now we just have to stop them being handed out to the BOT’s kids.
  Progress happens slowly.
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:45pm
Captain Mainwaring

Notsofast’s opening post has disappeared already, along with all the responses.
He’s clearly not popular around here.
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December 19, 2018 8:56am
- Tall Man
  
  A fair assessment 🙂
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:59am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Now it’s back.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:08am
artemisia

Something cooking? I see Ms Collins has posted a bunch of written questions to Mr Jones relating to funding for Oceania Marine Group (conveniently located in Whangarei).
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December 19, 2018 9:00am
big bruv

All I want for Christmas is Mr Karel Sroubek’s client list and the guest list from Mr Sroubek’s wedding.
Looking for two names in particular…….
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December 19, 2018 9:08am
- Poppa
  
  Can you send me copy please
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:37am
Harkman

Uncle Harkman had a blonde 4 year old, chatterbox, soccerball-on-speed come stay. Too tired to discuss politics. ?
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December 19, 2018 9:08am
cas

Two things.
1 I thought it was a bit off that the PM was not in the house to hear Christ Finlayson’s valedictory.
2 By making a cannabis referendum on at the same time as the election ( plus possibly a couple more referenda) the Govt is being very cunning. The convergence of the two, they will be hoping, means all the leftie greenies etc will come out to vote
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December 19, 2018 9:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Finlayson’s valedictory was, as expected, outstanding. I laughed at his dig at Mallard:
  
  How long should MPs be permitted to serve? Imposition of term limits as a non-starter, but I think there should be a compulsory sabbatical after five three-year terms or four four-year terms—don’t look at me like that.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:21am
  - sooty
    
    Yes, we have too many career politicians, with no work experience!
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:13am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Indeed. And in Messrs Mallard and Peters, we have the two politicians who have well and truly passed their respective use-by dates.
      
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      December 19, 2018 11:38am
- Komata
  
  cas
  
  Not surprising really; in the SLG’s little world it’s all about her and you’d better believe it!!
  
  ‘Spoilt’ would be an understatement.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:12am
- Nermal
  
  I wouldn’t mind the referenda if they include the Maori seats as promised by Winnie
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:24pm
lastmanstanding

Some random thoughts at Christmas.

Why do pollies and civil servants display such more judgement over so many things. Why cant they exhibit the common sense of so many of my fellow citizens. Why cant they follow good ethics ( my definition of ethics is ( As I should do).

With Leighton Smith leaving radio we now have only 2 conservatives Hosking and Williams to battle all the other Lefties. So depressing that radio TV continues to be one sided run by Lefties for Lefties no balance no alternative views.

And KB the only place a conservative can vent online. The rest of them a conservative free zone yet the largest portion of the population support a more conservative view than a Leftie view.

The Nats are conservative with a tinge of red at the edges but Labour is red with a tinge of alt red (commie) whilst the Greens as red.

Winston is what ever he decides to be each day when he wakes up so he cant be considered a true conservative.

So sad.
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December 19, 2018 9:13am
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  “And KB the only place a conservative can vent online”
  
  ??
  
  Whale Oil, True Blue, New Conservatives blog etc, etc
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    Well steffy girl, up early at Fraser House are you?
    
    Without these blogs we would be forced to swallow the daily lies from the coalition blindly delivered by a left leaning complicit media and regurgitated by slow witted dullards such as yourself.
    
    Remember how long it took your slow witted brain to respond to my repeated question..”is ardern a liar” and when you finally got the courage to respond you lied.
    
    I really wonder what sort of world you inhabit and want the rest of us to join when it is based around a personality cult inspired by a deceitful, incompetent and immature liar? I wonder what defective personality trait you must possess when you are able to blithely brush off repeated incompetence from someone who has been selected to occupy the primary seat in our Parliament.
    
    I wonder how you can support someone who defecates on the rest of the country in his mindless pursuit of “baubles”.
    
    steffy is a girl
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:34am
  - DigNap15
    
    Thanks for the heads up Stephie
    
    I’ll check out True Blue and New Conservatives.
    
    Have you tried Goat World?
    Or Goating Weekly
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:39am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Animal Husbandry Today?
      
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      December 19, 2018 1:46pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Whale oil is a left wing blog – supported Winston Peters in the last election and therefore a supporter of the COL. He also ran attack pieces on the National Mayoral pick in the last Auckland Council elections. Yep nope. Whale Oil. I would say that blog would be linked with the Standard and Daily Blog.
    
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    December 19, 2018 1:48pm
Morrissey

Shane Jones, seek help.

https://www.worldofbuzz.com/pervert-masturbates-ejaculates-woman-bookstore-mont-kiara-mall/
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December 19, 2018 9:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That got you excited didn’t it Morris Moron.
  But the guy didn’t look much like Shane Jones to me.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:37am
  - Morrissey
    
    Was that…. YOU, Cap’n?
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:48am
    - sooty
      
      Liked like Morris chancer to me. Garbadean raincoat, trousers cut off and tied at the knees, little squinty eyes. Yep that’s you!
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You’ve got competition
  
  That item was posted by Pervert Watch last night
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/12/general_debate_18_december_2018.html#comment-2385615
  
  in the midst of an exchange I was having with stephieboy about why he had requested information about how I clean my dirty underwear.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:57am
  - Morrissey
    
    Competition? My friend and colleague Nostradamus is doing great work. I’m his most avid fan.
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, just wanted to see you bite!
    
    You did.
    
    Ouch!
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:00am
    - sooty
      
      So did you fool!
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @ stephieboy
      
      MW, just wanted to see you bite!
      
      So, an admission of harassment.
      Thank you.
      
      Now after 4 years of your filth and lies, perhaps you’ll find another old woman to harass with personal enquiries of a very disturbing nature.
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:21am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, your first therapy session is how not to take yourself so seriously as difficult it might be.
        
        When you receive a notice at your rest home reception accusing you of being a perv etc ( as I did at my Church) then you can be seriously worried.
        
        Get a life!
        
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        December 19, 2018 11:31am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        So you continue with personal nasty attacks against me.
        
        I have no intention of ever attending therapy.
        I have been blessed with a stable mental constitution, and even if at some stage my mental faculties were to fade, I would not head off to psychobabble therapy.
        
        I have never been involved with any of the personal assaults against you, although I will stand up for myself if you continue to insinuate that I am mad or a racist.
        
        But surely you must realise it is not normal for you to be asking me about my underwear.
        
        Not only don’t you know me, you have been personally offensive toward me in a public forum.
        
        No woman expects or deserves such demented, deviant attention.
        
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        December 19, 2018 11:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        As I suggested learn how not take your self too seriously and coping with the real world, not an imagined one.
        
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        December 19, 2018 11:59am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Stuffy the Rape-Denier certainly doesn’t take any sexual harassment seriously. All a big joke to him.
        
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        December 19, 2018 12:16pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    I notice the galah only engages with the female contributers to KB, trying to engage them in conversation.
    Day after day, post after post without substance.
    There is clearly an issue with the poor deluded thing.
    
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    December 19, 2018 1:57pm
oldpark

Who would believe it. Even half the lies Ardern says aren’t true. Who can forget her pre-election Fifty Million pledge or was it a bribe for votes. remember the “School Leavers Toolkit”. Yes to give every school leaver free professional driving lessons of five hours. Plus a free defensive driving course. Free tests for the Learners and restricted licences before they left school. After the election. The message seems to be,” that was then this was now,thanks for you’re votes suckers i have changed my mind”. Surely only naive easily manipulated youth would be sucked in to her lies.
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December 19, 2018 9:28am
secondcumming

*BREAKING*

Ex leader of Green Party Russell Norman tells NewstalkZB he’s unhappy at being spied on by private investigators *Thompson & Clark* ……

https://i.imgflip.com/2p9xzy.jpg
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December 19, 2018 9:29am
- DigNap15
  
  Another evil hipocrtye
  
  We need spies to keep us safe.
  40 muslims on the watch here in NZ
  Hundreds of them in Australia
  Thousands in Europe!!
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:48am
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    2000 in UK alone.
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:23am
- rangitoto
  
  As long as the SIS are spying on him and his terrorist organisation all is well.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
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    “his terrorist organisation “??
    
    Paranoia rules!
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:58am
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    You’re a joke, rangitoto. No one’s laughing though.
    
    You’re a sad joke.
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:02am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Seems like the majority here don’t agree with stupidboy and Morris Moron.
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:31am
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        Captain Mainwaring, OMG you are a seriously pathetic joke!
        
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        December 19, 2018 11:33am
- Keeping Stock
  
  But they were trying to help him get his flag back; there’s no pleasing some people 😀
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:40am
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The is an utter and impeachable disgrace!,

Trump Charity foundation to shut down after scandalous illegal use of funds by family members,

“The move was announced by the attorney general of New York State, Barbara Underwood, who will supervise the distribution of its remaining monies.
She has accused Mr Trump and his three eldest children of using it for private and political gain.
The case against them would continue, she said.
Mrs Underwood said in a statement that there had been “a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation – including unlawful co-ordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and wilful self-dealing, and much more”.
She continued: “This amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a chequebook to serve Mr Trump’s business and political interests….”

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/378597/us-president-donald-trump-s-troubled-charity-foundation-to-shut-down
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December 19, 2018 9:56am
- stephieboy
  
  Twelve endorsements for the Trump Foundation and private and political gain?
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:56am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Stuffy the Rape-Denier isn’t taken seriously here.
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:20pm
- KevOB
  
  The Clintons are to be exiled to the Aleutian Islands after 50 years in prison for pay for play and other misdemeanors.
  
  The US game of lawfare is about to get rougher.
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:45pm
- Jules99
  
  In a statement to the BBC, Trump Foundation lawyer Alan Futerfas – signatory to the deal closing the foundation – said: “Contrary to the NYAG’s [New York Attorney General] misleading statement … the foundation has been seeking to dissolve and distribute its remaining assets to worthwhile charitable causes since Donald J Trump’s victory in the 2016 presidential election.
  
  “Unfortunately, the NYAG sought to prevent dissolution for almost two years, thereby depriving those most in need of nearly $1.7m ($NZ2.48m).
  
  “Over the past decade, the foundation is proud to have distributed approximately $19m ($NZ27.75m), including $8.25m ($NZ12m) of the president’s personal money, to over 700 different charitable organisations with virtually zero expenses.
  
  “The NYAG’s inaccurate statement of this morning is a further attempt to politicise this matter.”
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:09pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 60: Paul Gadd, AKA “Gary Glitter”

….Gadd, from Marylebone, central London, had denied the allegations against him but was found guilty at the end of a three-week-long trial earlier this month.

He had been at the height of his fame when he attacked two girls aged 12 and 13 after inviting them backstage to his dressing room.

His youngest victim had been less than 10 years old when he crept into her bed and tried to rape her in 1975.

Judge McCreath described Gadd’s abuse of a girl under 10 as “appalling” and said: “It is difficult to overstate the depravity of this dreadful behaviour.”
He noted that in 2011 Gadd sought professional help to understand his sexual behaviour but said: “Whatever changes may have been effected in you by this treatment, they did not include any admission at all on your part of the wrong that you had done.”

The allegations against Gadd came to light only years later when he became the first person to be arrested under Operation Yewtree – the investigation launched by the Met in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.

Scotland Yard confirmed that it had received other information in light of Gadd’s conviction, and that it is “currently being assessed”.

Det Ch Insp Michael Orchard, from Operation Yewtree, said Gadd was a “habitual sexual predator who took advantage of the star status afforded to him”. He added: “His lack of remorse and defence that the victims were lying make his crimes all the more indefensible.” …

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31657929

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6352903/Gary-Glitters-cushy-new-prison.html

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gary%20Glitter

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

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December 19, 2018 9:57am
- Woz
  
  To what purpose are you haranguing us with all this, Moz?
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:01am
  - Morrissey
    
    Exposing, my friend, exposing. If you’re looking for a harangue, THIS is a harangue:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieyDPmzeoMA
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:05am
    - sooty
      
      The only thing you are exposing is your willy, you silly. You are a dick!
      
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      December 19, 2018 10:21am
      - Morrissey
        
        Ha ha ha ha ha! Now THAT’s a good one!
        
        No, really, it is.
        
        Really.
        
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        December 19, 2018 10:23am
Woz

Just listening to Red Radio – apparently the Aussie government is expecting their first surplus in a decade, driven to a significant degree by royalties from the stuff that mining companies dig out of the ground. So why should we give away our water for free to Chinese companies?
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December 19, 2018 9:57am
- Tall Man
  
  Why would we give any of our resources to anyone for free, local or overseas based?
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:01am
  - Woz
    
    Valid point. Of course everybody should pay. Which is the case, I gather, in Australia. But it seems to me particularly egregious that overseas companies can sweep in, suck up all the water they want on the promise of a few jobs, and pay a mere token for the privilege.
    
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    December 19, 2018 10:16am
  - LTA1955
    
    Because Stuart “Hashish” Nash is going to sign the UN Compact apparently according to HeiferLump on ZZZZZB news. This is called opening our borders to any piece of scum that “wants” to migrate here. Our borders are like the water, obviously not worth defending or valued. This country will look like France in 15 years………
    
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    December 19, 2018 12:43pm
john1234

The Collins/Oravida story certainly had a bad whiff about it, but at least it didn’t involve public money being paid to Oravida.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12179027

Hundreds of thousands of dollars going to contracts at a cabinet minister’s partner’s firm? No contestable tender?

Makes Oravida look pretty good by comparison. Look forward to the howls of outrage from the same defenders of public good that howled about Oravida.
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December 19, 2018 10:02am
- marquess
  
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  Not the same. Everything in this case was documented, declared, and standard operating procedures.
  
  judy colly’s corruption went directly against cabinet manual
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:54am
- Keeping Stock
  
  There’s a suggestion that no tender process was required because the amount of each contract was less than $1m.
  
  I am suspicious of that. Our business tendered for contracts from a government department a few years ago which were in thr $75,000-$100,000 range, and we had to go through a robust and exhaustive tender process. Payment was made instalments, and only after we had supplied significant evidence of agreed milestones having been met.
  
  This process sounds very loose, and I wonder if contracts were split up so that they were of a lesser value individually, and not subject to the same level of scrutiny. It would not surprise me if the Auditor-General is called on to investigate. Strangely, the PM’s assurances that there is no conflict of interest do not reassure me!
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:46am
- Tricati
  
  Lead howler was Robbo, so maybe a few questions at Question Time in parliament to him on transparency over government contracts, lack of tendering process and conflict of interest.
  Splitting the contracts to under 1 Mil to avoid the tendering process is just a rort, so we need an inquiry just like the Collins/Oravida one. Robbo surely can’t have a problem with that!!
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:46pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107615474/mongrel-mob-black-power-should-join-forces-to-repel-invaders-gang-leader-says

So the bros are starting a joint venture. I suppose the “invaders” are the Hells Angels etc.

It would be way better to fence off the Northern tip of NZ (only needs a 5km fence) put all the gang members in there. Wait 5 months and see what’s left.

Gangs are the scourge of the earth. They are not cultural organizations. Their only positive contribution is bashing each other.
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December 19, 2018 10:07am
- MickMac
  
  No CMM
  Let’s not deny any part of NZ to the citizens!
  even Northland.
  
  Just cull them, start with those with more than 10 convictions and work your way down…..
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:27am
- Komata
  
  cmm
  
  And mowing lawns?
  
  (One has to ask).
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:21am
- MCos
  
  People have been coming up with simplistic ‘quick fix’ solutions to the gang problem in NZ long before you even thought about emigrated here.
  Politicians especially love to think they can get in there and crack the whip and everything would be sweet.
  Norm Kirk wanted to take the bikes off the bikies.
  Judith wanted to crush some cars.
  Laws wanted to ban patches. (I see Bishop Brian on the steps of parliament with some patched Mongrel Mob guys the other day)
  Meanwhile some of our prisons are riddled with gangs and some people want to send ever more people there into their clutches.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:31am
- Nermal
  
  Binge watching “Narcos”. Drug dealers joined forces to set up the cartels. Just seems so relevant
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:30pm
Morrissey

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Gangs are the scourge of the earth.

Wrong. The scourge of the earth in this country is dirty dairy farmers.

FARMER No. 1: Well you’re battling Mother Nature a little bit here. I mean, it was all swamp that was drained. Mother Nature wants to take it back one day probably but we’ll keep fighting!

….Stunned silence…

COUNTRY LIFE: Hearing THAT, one does have to ask: SHOULD they get support to keep farming here?

FARMER No. 1: [scrambling] Ahhhhmmm, this is, you know, very productive dairy land. We must produce a LOT for the region, not to mention, you know, the NATIONAL economy, so um, as far as cost-benefit goes, I would say the government would be making a GOOD INVESTMENT putting money into the scheme….

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/10/one-does-have-to-ask-should-they-get.html
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December 19, 2018 10:22am
- secondcumming
  
  Relax Morrissey.
  We’re all cunts here.
  It’s not a competition.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:03am
  - Morrissey
    
    Did someone say “cunts”?
    
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article221404845.html
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:37am
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      Advertising your shit blog agai morrischancer.
      
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      December 19, 2018 11:42am
      - Morrissey
        
        What am I supposed to do: hide it away? You’re free to ignore it, or do as several thousands of people do, and have a read. There’s lots there to pique one’s interest. I recommend this one for you….
        
        http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/news-release-axel-van-kampen-has-now.html
        
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        December 19, 2018 11:51am
- KevOB
  
  Downgraded to Green (economist).
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:39pm
Captain Mainwaring

So we’re going to get a binding referendum on marajuana for personal use, and the Nats won’t be able to change the result when they get back in.
So there is no longer a reason to vote for the Greenies then.
Vote Nat for responsible Government and get to smoke your weed. A win-win.
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December 19, 2018 10:35am
- MCos
  
  That’s not strictly correct.
  Parliament still has to pass some sort of law no matter how ‘binding’ the reeferendum may be.
  What is most likely is for a law to be passed prior to to the election to come into force afterwards.
  (Of course there might not be the numbers . . . .)
  If National or any other party, says they won’t recognise the result of the refeerendum they might have problems in the General Election.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:11am
  - Paulus
    
    Once this Cannabis law is passed does that mean that the laws on drug testing before staring a job will no longer be required ?
    Spose so !
    
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    December 19, 2018 1:49pm
    - MCos
      
      Alcohol is legal, but you can’t go to work drunk.
      Well, not anywhere I’ve ever worked.
      
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      December 19, 2018 3:26pm
      - fernglas
        
        The problem is that the laws are made by Parliament, and there it seems to be obligatory to go to work drunk
        
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        December 19, 2018 4:46pm
- KevOB
  
  How can any referendum bind any future government.
  This is intended as a greenie handout to firm up their pottyhead voter base.
  
  With marijuana being a proven random severe health hazard for youth this is close to being criminal. Caring for children? Even passive smoking of pot can damage children beyond recovery.
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:33pm
  - geoff3012
    
    I thought non-smoking was to be encouraged????
    
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    December 19, 2018 12:53pm
    - sooty
      
      But that’s the good smoke that doesn’t rot your lungs and is good for childrens health. It’s not that filthy tobacco smoke that kills you.
      The hypocrisy runs deep in the left!
      It’s all about the feelz, wood’n you know it, reading between the lines!
      
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      December 19, 2018 1:52pm
      - KevOB
        
        Have you ever seen a two year old stoned because the parents were pot smokers around the house?
        
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        December 19, 2018 3:39pm
      - Nermal
        
        KevOB Yes. I also told my ex that I would go to court to deny her shared custody if she again took our daughter to a home where people were sitting round smoking dope while kids were in the room.
        
        And I’ve seen parents puff marijuana smoke into babies’ faces to help them sleep.
        
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        December 19, 2018 4:38pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Pro-cannabis party guy said “cannabis is medicine”. Is this a trojan horse for all and sundry to legalise? My understanding of medical-marijuana is extraction without the THC component.
    
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    December 19, 2018 2:05pm
    - KevOB
      
      Cannabis contains a mixture of plant created chemicals. Commonly essential oils which hash is one have 100-200 different ingredients. Any of those may be biologically active and not all of which are safe in humans.
      Further growing conditions and harvesting influence production of the chemicals in the final product. Each batch is unique because even the extraction method changes the composition.
      
      Are the COL now proposing a free for all on cannabis production and use? That would be highly risky.
      Homemade pot oil made from “cabbage” boiled in isopropyl alcohol then the solvent boiled off is a fire and explosion hazard. Makers have brewed up whole 200L drums out in paddocks because of that. No one knows what they have produced without a chemical lab and the safe or commercial value of the product is speculative.
      
      Medical marijuana typically refers to cannabidiol a very close relative of THC but not psychoactive. Many of its properties are found in ingredients of the essential oils of other plants. Those may be even more effective.
      
      We have a range of chemical cousins which have been in use for thousands of years. Time has proven their safety and effectiveness for pain relief, complete removal or other therapeutic purposes. I made up such a preparation which took away my knee and hip arthritis pain 2 1/2 years ago–it has not returned.
      We are now making this available at rubiton.co.nz
      
      Medical marijuana is being used as the thin end of a wedge.
      
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      December 19, 2018 4:41pm
Jack5

Big day expected in Paris – tonight, NZ time.

The French police are growing restive and it seems unions may wind down resistance to the protesters.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1060683/Macron-latest-police-france-protests-macron-news
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December 19, 2018 10:45am
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Poor simple simon. What a glorious Christmas present, a new nickname! At least now middle NZ might be talking about him ??
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December 19, 2018 10:51am
- mandk
  
  As you are such a fan of nicknames, you will be comfortable with the Silly Little Girl epithet, won’t you?
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:18am
  - marquess
    
    You’re free to call nikki kaye anything you like, it doesn’t concern me
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:30am
- RiP NZ
  
  It only took the silly tart 6 months to come up with it.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:20am
  - skyblue
    
    and after a Working Group.
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:38am
- MrTips
  
  Oh marquess. I know its hard having to bath all day in the septic sludge from the Fraser house ablutions block, but couldn’t you at least wash up before you infect Cindy’s keyboards?
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Simon will be delighted at being targeted by such a weak, obvious, premeditated and clumsily inserted put-down. An embarrassing riposte of a standard you might expect from a 5 year old. Sub-par intellect and desperation confirmed to the world, aside from her laughable hypocrisy in light of her earlier statements:
  ”relentlessly positive”
  “We are not afraid to be held to account”
  “I don’t think there is one rule book for leadership. And I really rebel against the idea that politics has to be a place full of ego and where you are constantly focused on scoring hits against one another.”
  
  Bravo Cindy. Do please keep it up. 🙂
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:49pm
Komata

SC

Yet rest assured that wussell would have no problems with doing exactly that were he ever in a position to do so; it seems to come with the communist ideology.

BTW: How does wussell actually KNOW he was spied on?

(‘It’s all in the mind, y’know’)
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December 19, 2018 11:19am
- Inandout
  
  It was that black sedan parked across the road from his house, at the vegan festival, at the group meeting.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:23am
  - sooty
    
    The one with really dark tinted windows and all the aerials on it? Godd so they should keep an eye on you. Traitor!
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:38am
- sooty
  
  Horrible Hagar told him.
  
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  December 19, 2018 11:39am
  - Morrissey
    
    Journalism, democracy, openness. Don’tcha HATE them!
    
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    December 19, 2018 11:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Question time time in the house…
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-19-december-2018/
Melissa Lee asking a question about the Chief Technology Officer
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December 19, 2018 11:53am
- secondcumming
  
  Question #2 will be exciting…….
  
  I’m looking forward to Grant leaping to his feet like a schoolboy on heat,
  with his usual response of, “Oh Mister Speaker!”
  
  🙂
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:03pm
- cmm
  
  Good.
  
  The Handley saga was never concluded. It just got swamped by Sroubek etc.
  
  On the face of it, the way PriNZess handled Handley was as corrupt, if not even more corrupt, than Sroubek.
  
  On the face of it, it seems she directed Internal Affairs to issue him an expedited citizenship and directed Curran to set up the CEO gig especially for him.
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  Wow!
  
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  December 19, 2018 2:44pm
  - skyblue
    
    Did your goat have an orgasm?
    
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    December 19, 2018 2:50pm
Woz

Moz’s groper list has vanished? Dang, I hadn’t finished my daily read-through.
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December 19, 2018 11:54am
- sooty
  
  You haven’t missed much.
  It was all about him flashing himself around town, you know garbadeen raincoat, trouser legs up to the knees, and nothing else!
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:44pm
- Morrissey
  
  http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/gropers-no-60-paul-gadd-aka-gary.html
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:11pm
Jack5

Some folk expect an announcement from the Government on the last day before Christmas that New Zealand has signed the United Nations Global Migration Pact.

But isn’t it clear already that New Zealand has signed it?

Representatives from about 150 countries signed the United Nations migration pact in Morocco on Monday of last week.

Ten countries have been reported to have withdrawn (and they don’t include New Zealand).

A UN spokesman said after the pact was adopted that six more, including Israel and Bulgaria, were debating whether to quit.

The question is whether NZ is one of the four countries debating whether to sign.

There is no report of any debate in NZ, so surely this country is one of 164 which have signed.

An American report which includes names of those that haven’t signed – and no mention of New Zealand.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/12/un-global-migration-compact-germany-europe/577840/
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December 19, 2018 12:03pm
- secondcumming
  
  For reasons best known to herself, my mother-in-law is a yuge fan of NZF, and maintains…… “there is no way in the world Winston would allow this to happen”
  
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  December 19, 2018 12:26pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Regarding your mother-in-law, have you instigated proceedings to have her certified?
    
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    December 19, 2018 1:10pm
  - Toko
    
    That’s funny! Winny will hope his fan girls will forget this faux pas over Xmas. I bet NZ has signed it.
    
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    December 19, 2018 1:14pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Belgium just threw their government out over the migration pact. Snap elections in 2019 for them while Winston burbles on about Muslim refugees being great for the country.
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:08pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Go, Belgium!
    
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    December 19, 2018 2:57pm
    - Nermal
      
      I think they are hoping to repeat 2010-11 when they were without a government for 589 days. Wouldn’t that be blissful
      
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      December 19, 2018 4:45pm
  - stephieboy
    
    BammaaLama, thus far Winton has every reason to think Muslim refugees are great for the country!
    
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    December 19, 2018 4:36pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Because we are allowed to screen them and keep most of the bad eggs out Stephie. If we are forced to take who ever shows up then i don’t expect that to remain the same.
      
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      December 19, 2018 7:57pm
- Surely Knott
  
  It’s shocking that the Herald or Stuff don’t have it on their front pages. Don’t ask about the UN – it’s not up for discussion. Instead we get our daily Meghan Merkle update. And Labour releasing a minimum wage squirrel. Sign days before Christmas and job done with minimal media fanfair..
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:14pm
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    Surely, Knott , our media are not at your beck and call 24/7.
    
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    December 19, 2018 4:38pm
slightlyrighty

Very pleased to see Dr Jordan Peterson has added a new date and venue to his NZ tour. Now he will be in Wellington on Feb 21st at the Michael Fowler Centre.
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December 19, 2018 12:15pm
- Woz
  
  I’m going to the Christchurch talk.
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:48pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I’m envious. I’ve just read his 12 Rules for Life, it’s brilliant. I am dumbfounded that the left denigrate him so much, all he does is talk plain common sense. What are they scared of?
    
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    December 19, 2018 2:55pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Plain common sense.
      
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      December 19, 2018 3:43pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Rich Prick,
        
        Plain common sense?
        
        Like?
        
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        December 19, 2018 4:39pm
Woz

Poor old Mama Fox seems to be going from bad to worse lately. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109469298/former-maori-party-coleader-marama-fox-pleads-guilty-to-drink-driving-charge
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December 19, 2018 1:41pm
- cmm
  
  ” Staub asked community magistrate Terry Bourke not to enter a conviction as he intended to apply for a discharge without conviction for his client.”
  
  Colonialism!
  
  Bullshit sweetie. Take responsibility for your actions.
  
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  December 19, 2018 1:45pm
  - MCos
    
    I agree.
    However it’s a bit different from the attitude expressed by some people above who seemed to forget La Roux dodged sobriety tests and blamed her victim for his death.
    
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    December 19, 2018 3:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm and coy, you should all talk!
    
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    December 19, 2018 4:40pm
Fletch

Nate Silver from website FiveThirtyEight (from which DPF has quoted several times) puts to bed the Russia narrative.

It’s far more likely that the Russians were just throwing a bunch of shit at the wall and seeing what stuck and that basing it on Cambridge Analytica data wouldn’t have been meaningfully more effective than doing it at random. https://t.co/6NZkf5s1Ww

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 18, 2018

If you wrote out a list of the most important factors in the 2016 election, I’m not sure that Russian social media memes would be among the top 100. The scale was quite small and there’s not much evidence that they were effective.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 18, 2018

For instance, this story makes a big deal about a (post-election) Russian social media disinformation campaign on Bob Mueller based on… 5,000 tweets? That’s **nothing**. Platform-wide, there are something like 500,000,000 tweets posted each day.https://t.co/LI8wt6tua8 pic.twitter.com/I2XOIf0rdy

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 18, 2018

What fraction of overall social media impressions on the 2016 election were generated by Russian troll farms? 0.1%? I’m not sure what the answer is, but suspect it’s low, and it says something that none of the reports that hype up the importance of them address that question.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 18, 2018
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December 19, 2018 2:03pm
Hugh Pavletich

……FLASH BACK…..

CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL:

TIME FOR COMMISSIONERS

The Christchurch City Council has released its proposed long – term plan ( media release – Scoop ) . The media release states …

“The Long Term Plan financial strategy proposes raising $750 million by selling stakes in some Council companies. It also proposes rates increases of 8.75 per cent this year, 8.5 per cent annually in the following two years, and 7.5 per cent in 2018-19.”

Compounded, that would suggest a near 38% increase in residential rates over the four year period. An average of 8.4% over the four years … or a doubling in Rates every 8.3 years.

These massive suggested Rates increases are on top of proposed asset sales of around $750 million.

The suggested partial asset sales have of course not been realised yet. They are simply estimates at this stage.

Within a The Press article by Lois Cairns 27 February 2015 Rate rise ‘too much’, says Brownlee , Earthquake Recovery Minister and MP for the Ilam electorate Gerry Brownlee expressed concerns about the Christchurch City Council’s handling of its finances and the suggested Rates rises … stating …

“As an MP in an electorate where there is a lot of people on fixed incomes, this sort of rate rise is too much.”

The article continued …

“Brownlee said rather than putting rates up the council should be looking at its baseline, just as the Government had done when it was faced with the double whammy of the global financial crisis and the Christchurch earthquake.”

” ‘Whenever you are in a tight financial situation you have to look at your own expenditure profile and I don’t see evidence of that happening from the council.’ ”

” ‘I think most people would be able to come up with some example of what they would see as fairly unnecessary expenditure,’ the minister said.”

“The council also needed to put more effort into identifying efficiencies within the organisation that could result in savings.”

” ‘What I’m really asking for is that they demonstrate that they are actually looking at how they go about their business. As ratepayers I think we all have a right to expect that,’ Brownlee said.”

Earthquake Recovery Minister Brownlee made it clear within the article that many Councillors didn’t get it …

“Brownlee said Mayor Lianne Dalziel had been ‘quite courageous’ in putting forward ideas, but she was being hindered by councillors who believed it was okay to ‘sit around the council table saying no to everything’ and expecting the ‘mythical they out there’ to pay for everything.”

“ ‘It was a real problem,’ he said.”

Earthquake Recovery Minister Brownlee’s assessment of the situation is correct.

Local television and radio host Chris Lynch recently interviewed the Christchurch City Councils Chief Executive Dr Karleen Edwards on CTV Lynched .

It is clear from this interview, Dr Edwards failed on this occasion to adequately articulate the seriousness of the situation. Her previous employment had been in the health sector as an administrator, both in New Zealand and Australia.

It is debateable whether Dr Edwards has the skills required to restructure the Council. Not helped of course, as she is not getting clear governance direction from the elected representatives either.

Soon after this interview, Chris Lynch as host at the local Radio New Zealand was discussing Council issues with listeners, when Earthquake Recovery Minister Brownlee unexpectedly called the radio station to comment.

Chris Lynch explains within this opinion Cutting the Councils Cloth …

“Minister Gerry Brownlee called in to the show unsolicited, to respond. He said the Government made tough financial decisions and cut its spending, and it was time for the council to do the same. He said he was surprised to hear that the mayor wouldn’t comment on spending cuts. He commended the council for removing the stadium from its ten year plan. The minister said the Government’s total cost to get Christchurch back on its feet is about 11 billion dollars. Brownlee says, ‘what’s missing from the conversation is the council having a very strong hard look at what it does.’ ”

There had been clear direction given to the (then) Christchurch City Council at the time of the 4,000+ strong Peoples Protest 1 February 2012, with a clear message from the Protest Committee at the time .

These issues were amplified within Christchurch: The Way Forward some months later.

By mid-2013, then Mayor (now Sir) Bob Parker announced he was not standing for the October 2013 election, as this writer explained in the National Business Review at the time with Christchurch: the political shambles .

The Councils problems were well known and probably best expressed by former Christchurch Central MP Brendon Burns within an important The Press Opinion early 2012 (currently off-line) Shining a light in the darkness … where Mr Burns stated …

“For this city to best recover from its seismic nightmare, the process of decision- making needs to be inverted to truly empower communities. Such a radical change is very difficult to accept for anyone – of any political persuasion – who happens to be in power.”

“To date, the required response is tokenistic. A top-down command and control system may be appropriate in the days after a disaster but not in a recovery which will take years. Among the ultimate victims will be those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to true community engagement. Just look at the Christchurch City Council.”

The new Council was to be a transitional one … to sort out its deep and long-standing structural and cultural problems.

There was no public debate in the lead up to the October 2013 local government election in Christchurch.

A number of local business people supported Lianne Dalziel for the Mayoralty. They saw her largely as a “peacemaker” … capable of working across the political spectrum. A welcome contrast from the previous Parker / Marryatt regime.

Former Labour Government Cabinet Minister Lianne Dalziel (whose fortunes were fading as a central politician … and with no local government experience) , with a largely unknown mix of people (Labour in the main under a cobbled together People’s Choice banner) were elected … largely by default.

Nine of the thirteen elected representitives were replaced .

The only two elected representatives who have made any attempts to deal with the serious structural issues of the Council, have been Mayor Lianne Dalziel and Councillor Raf Manji.

The other eleven largely don’t “get it”.

The “woes” of the Christchurch City Council are deep and wide … and have progressively worsened since the time of forced local government amalgamation back in 1989.

The latest in this constant litany of failure is the Council’s seriously dysfunctional urban planning … as this writer recently explained within Independent Panel Slams Christchurch Council Planners .

The question that needs to be asked is … are the other eleven elected representatives capable and willing to support Mayor Lianne Dalziel and Councillor Raf Manji in doing what needs to be done as a Transitional Council ?

And from that … can Christchurch afford to carry these eleven non – performing elected representatives any longer ?

Clearly … governance changes are urgently required at the Christchurch City Council.
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December 19, 2018 2:46pm
- Nermal
  
  Monty Python
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:48pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And even more relevant today…
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DqvweTYTI0
    
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    December 19, 2018 5:23pm
- Jack5
  
  Good post, Hugh.
  
  Disappointment Dalziel is like a Sheriffess of Nottingham squeezing ratepayers until they near-burst.
  
  Art works, a $100 million library building, fucking cycle lanes everywhere killing retailing in the city centre …
  
  It’s a model of local bodies deciding which dreams to pursue then shaking down citizen-ratepayers to pay for them.
  
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  December 19, 2018 5:04pm
DigNap15

And could some one please tell us if those 20 countries that did nto agree to be bound to the Climate Change Conference agreement
Gave in or held out.. The media has not told us!
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December 19, 2018 3:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  DipNap15, which 20 other countries?
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46582265
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:34pm
  - DigNap15
    
    From your link…
    
    A group of countries including Saudi Arabia, US, Kuwait and Russia refused to “welcome” the IPCC study.
    
    Including means there were others as well. A few days ago other media mentioned more countries.
    
    And many of them were important countries, not like NZ.
    
    Have they changed their mind?
    I don’t think so
    And now add Brazil and I think Australia.
    
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    December 19, 2018 4:56pm
    - stephieboy
      
      A” group “of countries versus twenty?
      
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      December 19, 2018 5:32pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Stephieboy doesn’t read any the of articles it posts links to. It has no idea if it supports its claim or not.
      
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      December 19, 2018 7:21pm
RF

Just watched question time and observed Megan Wood huffing and puffing her answers to questions.

This person is morbidly obese and her obvious laboured breathing should raise warning flags.

A good candidate for Jenny Craig or Keto.
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December 19, 2018 3:27pm
- MCos
  
  So some politicians like her and Gerry are way overweight and others like Putin, Macron, Craig, Bridges and more lately Bennett aren’t.
  
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  December 19, 2018 3:50pm
- DigNap15
  
  Why should it raise warning flags?
  If she want to look and sound disgusting that’s up to her.
  Is she keels over and karks it, I wont be going to her funeral.
  I just don’t want to pay for an op for her.
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:58pm
- Longknives
  
  Yikes- I just read that the Minister for Sausage Rolls is only a year or two older than I am!
  I seriously thought she was in her 50s…She looks dreadful
  
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  December 19, 2018 5:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  Or a coffin. We are now entering a time when life expectancy will begin to decrease.
  
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  December 19, 2018 5:19pm
Morrissey

This thoroughly disreputable, discredited gang of
thugs and liars needs to be forcibly disbanded, now.

Wednesday, 19 December, 2018 – 14:00
The Privacy Commissioner says that the Sensible Sentencing Trust (SST) has interfered with a man’s privacy by wrongly labelling him as a convicted paedophile on its website.

The SST’s ‘Offender Database’ listed the man’s picture with the description of a convicted paedophile with a similar name for almost two years before the man found out and complained to the Office of the Privacy Commissioner.

A member of the public submitted the man’s photo, and a volunteer uploaded it to the database without taking any steps to verify its accuracy. The SST admitted that it did not know who had submitted the photo or who uploaded it. It also admitted that it does not provide its volunteers with privacy training.

“Agencies must take reasonable steps to check that personal information is accurate before they use it. Relying on the assistance of unpaid volunteers does not excuse the SST of its legal obligations,” Mr Edwards said.

The Office’s investigation found that the SST had clearly harmed the man with its actions. The man was subjected to social media abuse and was afraid that his tarnished reputation would damage his business.

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/5/329088

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/378656/sensible-sentencing-trust-wrongly-labels-man-as-paedophile

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/noelle-mccarthy-swallowed-vomit-for-15.html
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December 19, 2018 4:20pm
- srylands
  
  Or they could apologise and fix their processes. The aggrieved party can sue them. That’s what the courts are for. It is not the role of the government to “ban“ associations because they don’t like them. Indeed that is your motivation.
  
  It is none of your business.
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:27pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I didn’t say this disgusting group should be banned because it’s horrible. I said—and lots of people share this view—that the S.S. Trust is a thoroughly disreputable, discredited organization, notorious for its bloodthirsty endorsement of knife killing, amongst other things.
    
    This latest scandal should put the nail in its coffin. It would be nice to see the leaders of this group put in prison.
    
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    December 19, 2018 4:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      Morrissey, more information please on the SST being “notorious for its bloodthirsty endorsement of knife killing…”
      
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      December 19, 2018 4:58pm
      - srylands
        
        He is talking about the guy convicted of manslaughter for stabbing a youth. The youth was vandalising his garage. The guy chased him. Things got out of hand. SST defended the stabber.
        
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        December 19, 2018 5:16pm
      - Longknives
        
        “It would be nice to see the leaders of this group put in prison.”
        
        Hang on Morrissey- Your beloved Labour/Green Government is always bleating that ‘Prison doesn’t work’ etc and is promising to close them all down!
        You’re not a hypocrite are you? Or are you merely suggesting Labour keep just one open for ‘Enemies of the State’?
        
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        December 19, 2018 5:17pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “He is talking about the guy convicted of manslaughter for stabbing a youth. The youth was vandalising his garage. The guy chased him. Things got out of hand. SST defended the stabber”
        
        He should have been severely punished. At least two courses of golf lessons.
        
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        December 19, 2018 7:56pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Fuck off Breen. Your previous posts on this site prove to the world that your opinion on anything is worth Jack Shit.
      And you are still linkwhoring. I don’t know why DPF puts up with it.
      
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      December 19, 2018 7:53pm
      - Morrissey
        
        No fear, Cap’n. I’m here for the long haul. By the way, don’t forget the Xmas do at Chez Breen. Starts about 6 p.m. on Saturday 22nd, and keeps going until the cops come.
        
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        December 19, 2018 8:29pm
Niz

I wonder if anybody at NZTA did any calculations to see how much this ‘investment’ of > $70m into the train service between Hamilton and Auckland costs on a per-passenger basis.
I have.
If each and every train is filled up (I used 200 ppl), and if it runs twice a day, every day, for 5 years, it’s going to cost > $50 for every passenger, each time they use it.
Good Christ.
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December 19, 2018 4:22pm
- Morrissey
  
  Cheaper than building a new road for cars.
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:23pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The road is already there you fuckwit.
    
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    December 19, 2018 7:57pm
- srylands
  
  There is no way it will carry 200 people.
  
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  December 19, 2018 4:30pm
  - Niz
    
    I know. I was being generous. According to the article I read they’re expecting 20,600 to use it in the first year. 20600 / 50 weeks / 5 days is ~ 80 per day. So they’re tell us it’s actually going to be more like $125 per passenger, per trip.
    
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    December 19, 2018 4:41pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Put on another carriage or two. Or three. Or ten.
    
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    December 19, 2018 4:42pm
    - Niz
      
      There’s no need. NZTA tell us only 80 people a day want to spend two hours each way on a train every day (I can’t imagine why). In fact, that’s over two trips, so make that 40.
      
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      December 19, 2018 5:00pm
    - srylands
      
      Dude. You are dreaming. Most people would not use it even if it was free. Because it is not fit for purpose. It takes forever and terminates in some godforsaken part of Auckland.
      
      What is it with the left and trains? Don’t get me wrong I like trains, and I commuted by train for many years in Wellington. But Hamilton to Auckland will never work. It will bleed money. It is just idiotic.
      
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      December 19, 2018 5:42pm
      - mandk
        
        Of course it will never work.
        
        From home in Hamilton to Auckland CBD, it would be about 2.5 hours door-to-door. Who would want to spend 5 hours a day commuting?
        
        I guess you might give it a go, if you were an occasional traveller, but taking the bus would be way cheaper.
        
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        December 19, 2018 7:37pm
      - Komata
        
        Srylands
        
        Many years ago a similar stunt was tried using a railcar set known as ‘The Blue Sreak’. Similar reasons were advanced in support of the service, and in respect of its ‘desirability’ as an alternative to the motor car, yet it lost money from day one and was ultimately canned. The anticipated customers found it easier and quicker to drive their cars, with the added advantage that they could literally go door to door; something the Streak was incapable of doing.
        
        I doubt that this new service will last very long ; perhaps 18 months at most. In respect of the economics and supposed advantages of the new service, nothing has changed from the ‘Streak days, the only difference has been the arrival on the scene of young greenies who have no prior knowledge, care little about what has gone before, and believe they are inventing something amazing and ‘New’. Perhaps unfairly,
        I doubt that they have done a cost/benefit allowance on what they propose.
        
        As I said, 18 months is likely to be the time it exists for, although I am quite happy to be proven wrong.
        
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        December 19, 2018 8:54pm
    - mandk
      
      You really are extremely stupid, aren’t you?
      
      If a train has capacity to carry 200 people and only 80 people use it, why would it make sense to add more carriages?
      
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      December 19, 2018 7:22pm
  - stigie
    
    So it will cost $100 for every passenger that uses it then..?
    Fuck, it gets worse !~
    
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    December 19, 2018 5:28pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Pfft! Evidence please.
    
    My in-depth analysis reveals that thousands will be travelling from the south by train to enjoy the new commuter railway followed by a trip on the Dominion Road tram.
    
    Not just from Hamilton; Levin, Taumaranui, Te Kuiti, Raetahi, Palmie. They’ll be flocking like bees to a honey pot.
    
    Build it and they will come.
    
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    December 19, 2018 5:43pm
- Niz
  
  Think about it. It would be cheaper if they put on _free_ buses.
  Fuck me. I’d put on free buses if the govt. Paid me $120/person/trip. I’d do it for less.
  
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  December 19, 2018 5:10pm
- rangitoto
  
  The train only goes to Papakura so who will actually use it?
  
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  December 19, 2018 5:45pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Niz, that’s all well and good but on a positive note, rugby supporters from both cities can now get even more shit-faced without fear of consequences driving home. It will also enable those who have had a gutsful of the food and drink monopoly gouging at the grounds to preload to the max and turn up completely blotto and full as a tick so they can focus on the rugby and good-natured banter that accompanies these events.
  
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  December 19, 2018 5:50pm
  - Niz
    
    I’ll put on free buses for them as well. I’ll even pick them up outside the stadium.
    I won’t make them change at Papakura either.
    
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    December 19, 2018 6:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And it stops at Papakura. What use is that to anybody?
  And they’ve costed it on current 40 year old locomotives and rolling stock. Where’s the provision for depreciation?
  Worst Government ever.
  
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  December 19, 2018 7:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/new-zealand-will-support-united-nations-global-migration-compact.html
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December 19, 2018 5:00pm
- Tall Man
  
  Mongrels all of them.
  
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  December 19, 2018 5:17pm
- rangitoto
  
  So Winnie and the CoL have sold NZ down the river. He must have been offered a major bauble to throw his voters under the bus. I guess Cindy has promised him a Knighthood or/and plum diplomatic posting.
  
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  December 19, 2018 5:42pm
- nasska
  
  That’s New Zealand fucked.
  
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  December 19, 2018 6:01pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Most insightful and perceptive, old cock.
    
    Keep up the good work!
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:50pm
- Komata
  
  Maggy
  
  Thank you.
  
  I wonder what Winnie’s bribe was?
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:01pm
Ross12

Interesting to read the comments on the Stuff article about signing the UN compact.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109486713/new-zealand-votes-for-un-migration-compact-after-legal-advice

At the time I looked of the 24 comments only 2 agreed with the Govt. Of the 22 against most had large numbers agreeing with each comment.
Based on that small sample –no brownie points for the Govt. for that move.
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December 19, 2018 6:15pm
- Ross12
  
  Looking again at the Stuff comments now there is about 200 comments this is definitely a vote loser for the Government. Quite a few said they voted Labour at the last election but never again.
  There is one saying they heard on radio the Govt. actually signed it on about Dec 7 but we just get to hear about it —if true if makes the PM and Peters to a be the absolute liars.
  OIA request needed.
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:27pm
pentwig

Adhern and Peters have deliberately lied to us, the nation.
We need to march.
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December 19, 2018 6:15pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Shops around New Zealand have reported a run on yellow hi-viz vests this afternoon and evening…just sayin’…
  
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  December 19, 2018 7:22pm
- stephieboy
  
  March? Joking naturally?
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,
Have folks in Jacinda Ardern’s office been trying to stitch up Mrs Sroubek?

Why wouldn’t Jacinda Ardern answer Simon’s question?

Hon Simon Bridges: Have any staff from her office been briefing the media against the estranged wife of Karel Sroubek after yesterday’s revelations to try to discredit her side of the story?

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20181219_20181219_08/tab/video?page=4&mode=form
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December 19, 2018 6:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW , ah the thrill of chasing ghosts!
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:47pm
nasska

Everything else the CoL have done or intend to do to to NZ pales into insignificance when compared with this. After this government has gone we may be able to rebuild ourselves financially, make our justice system again fit for purpose & repeal or amend social justice legislation.

But there’s no coming back, this side of civil war, when the enemy’s gained citizenship & is white anting us from within.
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December 19, 2018 6:24pm
pentwig

Does anyone know of an email address of the PM where I can (politely) express my disgust at this signing on my behalf without public consultation?
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December 19, 2018 6:24pm
- DigNap15
  
  The did not even have the decency to tell us that they were going to sign it.
  They made up their mind at the last minute – Yeah right!
  
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  December 19, 2018 6:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  You could try her parliamentary email, just check out the Labour Pardy website.
  But I image an office staffer will read it.
  But if they get enough they might pass the sentiment on.
  Or you could ask Rithie Hardcore for her mobile number.
  
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  December 19, 2018 6:37pm
- stigie
  
  “where I can (politely) express my disgust at this signing on my behalf without public consultation?”
  
  Why would this bunch of losers need public consultation when they fucked over the very people that supply our oil and gas !~
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:13pm
The Heat

Their defence is that it is “non binding”. Which implies that if it were binding, that would be bad, so they would not sign it.

So why sign it at all?

As we all know. it will become binding.

Ah, NZFirst voters. Bet you’re feeling like right chumps, huh.
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December 19, 2018 6:45pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes lots of commenters on Stuff are saying that they will never vote NZF or Labour ever again.
  But people always say that, until the next bribe comes along.
  
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  December 19, 2018 6:53pm
  - starboard
    
    Scumbag Peters.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109486713/new-zealand-votes-for-un-migration-compact-after-legal-advice
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:19pm
    - Jack5
      
      Scumbag is too nice a description for Peters.
      Fucking traitor is more accurate.
      
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      December 19, 2018 8:28pm
      - Jazzby
        
        Hear that flushing sound? That’s the last scrap of credibility that Peters had, going down the toilet.
        
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        December 19, 2018 8:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        LEAKED – by a concerned patriot …
        
        Urgent email from Winston Peters to Jacinderella:
        
        URGENT FOR PM
        
        Jacinda:
        
        Can you possibly, please, please bring out the ?BAYBEE to take the heat off me for selling New Zealand out to the United Nations Third World socialist scum?
        
        Your loyal lieutenant,
        ~~Judas Isca…~~ Winstoned Peters.
        
        PS: You promised – promised – that New Zealand could take in 100,000 refugees a year comfortably. I trusted you!
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:14pm
- simpleton1
  
  “non binding”
  Becomes “international best practice” that the judiciary will incrementally allow new precedents.
  
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  December 19, 2018 10:10pm
DigNap15

So the Herald says that the Indian lady who pimped her under age daughter 1,000 times is the most hated woman in New Zealand.
How do they know?
1,000 men thought she was great.
And I thought Ardern would be the most hated woman by now.
Or Julianne no roads Genter
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December 19, 2018 6:51pm
Viking2

Winston signs. Well for an arsehole that was anti immigration for most of his life and a turkey who thinks he is attuned to his voting friends he is a fucking wanker. worse he thinks he is something of a legal expert.

What a piece of shit.
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December 19, 2018 6:58pm
- RiP NZ
  
  Winston’s magnum opus of betrayal. His lasting fk you to NZ,
  Absolute POS, fk every simpleton that voted for him, talk about watering the try your noose is tied to.
  
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  December 19, 2018 7:49pm
  - The Heat
    
    Winston’s Facebook page – check the comments.
    
    Man oh man…
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:25pm
Odakyu-sen

So, looks like the Massey University committee has found that their illustrious Vice-Chancellor did not lie when she said that she cancelled the Brash apearance due to security concerns.

Didn’t someone (Kiwiblog) have a copy of e-mails that indicated otherwise?

Am I missing something lost in translation?
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December 19, 2018 7:04pm
- CharlieBrown
  
  We all new it would be a whitewash when they kept that bigoted fascist cow in the job. Universities are no place for liberal and free thought anymore.
  
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  December 19, 2018 7:33pm
- Niz
  
  I haven’t read the report, but that’s a rubbish excuse. If she was concerned that a pack of intolerant lefties were going to break the law, she should have got the police involved.
  Her biased ‘concerns’ shouldn’t be enough to cancel the event.
  
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  December 19, 2018 7:37pm
  - Niz
    
    Sigh, I just read a news article about it. They must have been reading different correspondence than what the rest of us saw. They seemed to think she wasn’t trying to find a way to shut the thing down at all. What actually happened wad that her staff were too stupid to find a legit reason to cancel it. The ‘security’ reason was a godsend to them.
    
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    December 19, 2018 7:47pm
Nostradamus

Stalker tries to sue woman to track her down after ‘love at first sight’ in Chinese bookstore

According to a document filed in court, Sun sued the woman for giving him “emotional distress”.

“On the afternoon of the Mid-Autumn Festival, a girl appeared on the first floor of Wangfujing Bookstore wearing a tight yellow jacket, incarnadine stockings, medium-long blonde hair that had inward curls and wearing headphones,” Sun said in the document, adding that the girl was so beautiful that “nobody would talk to her”.
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He asked for the court to get the woman to speak with him to “liberate” him “from great mental anguish” and help his life return to normal. “The difficulty of finding the lady … may cause the plaintiff to accept the result of losing the meaning of his life,” the court document said.

At least he didn’t describe her as a “honeypot” with “small but ample breasts”!

“PERVERTS” is researched and presented by ShoppingMallWatch (a division of Stephieboy Productions).
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December 19, 2018 7:27pm
- nasska
  
  No info in the document that indicates his desire to interrogate the lady about how she washes her undergarments Nostra?
  
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  December 19, 2018 7:38pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    He seemed fixated on the “tight yellow jacket” and the “incarnadine stockings”. But I’m sure Maggy would be available to provide step-by-step instructions if the resident pervert wants to know how to make those kind of clothing items spotlessly clean!
    
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    December 19, 2018 7:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      My God!!!
      
      I had no idea what
      incarnadine stockings” could possibly be…
      
      So, foolishly, I googled the term..and seem to have brought up pages and pages of links to Porn videos.
      
      Could you folks please remember I am in the twilight of my days here on Earth and I don’t need unnecessary shocks.
      
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      December 19, 2018 7:55pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, get yourself fitted out with these?
        
        http://getyourimage.club/resize-december-19.html
        
        LOL
        
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        December 19, 2018 8:44pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        You’re a creepy little fucker stephie
        
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        December 19, 2018 8:59pm
      - Jack5
        
        Given that “Stephieboy” is a pseudonym shared by more than one troll, the question arises: does NZ allow for corporate registration of sex offenders?
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:03pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , who are the other ones?
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        Duty Stephie – Stephie X:
        
        Does your multiple personality disorder wax and wane? Does it come and go?
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:43pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5, go and visit your Doctor before Santa climbs down your chimney Xmas eve!
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ah, you’re the Stephie always telling other Kiwiblog posters: “Go and visit your doctor.”
        
        Are you hoping for a discount from your psychiatrist, Stephie X? Building business for the trade?
        
        You must be going to a Stephiestani shrink. I haven’t heard of other psychiatrists promoting trade this way. I hope your psychiatrist books you in when he has no female patients around that time. Can’t be too safe.
        
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        December 19, 2018 9:54pm
- Morrissey
  
  Well done, ‘Damus. Keep up the good work!
  
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  December 19, 2018 8:31pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
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    December 19, 2018 8:46pm
Hugh Pavletich

… ‘China needs a market for free ideas’ … Nobel Laureate Ronald Coase at 101 years of age …

Coase: China needs a market for free ideas – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF9nW_5M5Ko
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How China Became Capitalist: R. Coase, N. Wang: 9781137351432: Amazon.com: Books

https://www.amazon.com/How-China-Became-Capitalist-Coase/dp/1137351438
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… Note 41 minutes in, within this interview with Richard Epstein, Ronald Coase explaining that he had no training as an economist … and at the end his advice to young economists …

A conversation with Ronald H. Coase : Richard A Epstein – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L1qvLVrSzU
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  Excellent channel regarding house prices: Videos well worth a watch!
  Digital Financial Analytics:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKWDscRjYFTD1KHsmow4-bQ/videos
  
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  December 19, 2018 9:48pm
Jack5

Leftist American youth politician has to take time off from Congress for yoga and healthy eating.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-criticised-for-taking-a-self-care-break/10634170
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Jack5

The Greens, and turncoat Peters, ain’t gonna like this …

The Australian Broadcasting Corporation on its web site verifies that the land area of the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu has GROWN over the last 40 years rather than the island sinking because of (alleged) Global Warming.

The New Zealand Government has set up an immigration scheme to save Tuvalu people from being submerged by bringing them to New Zealand.

This is the sort of crap that ~~Judas Isc…~~ Winston Peters has been supporting with his Pacific policy and his shameful kowtow to the United Nations on the Global Migrant Compact.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/fact-check-is-the-island-nation-tuvalu-growing/10627318

PS: If you don’t care about the UN running our immigration, you might care that, at least according to this politician, the UN compact could lead to it being a crime to criticise mass migration:

https://www.infowars.com/mep-warns-new-un-pact-will-make-it-illegal-to-criticize-mass-immigration/
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