General Debate 12 December 2018

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srylands

If these fuckwit Air New Zealand engineers strike for three days before Christmas, the public will never forget.

And they are striking because they are not happy with 50 percent penalty rates for overtime. I remember getting paid overtime. In 1986.

There is simply no way to mitigate the effects of a three day strike before Christmas. The travel plans of thousands will be ruined, not simply disrupted.
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December 12, 2018 8:01am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Some of the public who will not forget will be Labour voters.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:02am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Not to mention Winston first voters chuckie. Will you be affected?
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:16am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Comment of the day nailed at 8:16 am
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:54am
  - srylands
    
    Nobody under the age of 45 has experienced these kinds of strikes.
    
    I remember the Australian pilots strike in 1989. Ultimately they were all sacked. There were no domestic flights in Australia for 6 weeks. New pilots were recruited from scratch and pilots brought in from overseas to progressively get things going again.
    
    The pilots Union seriously miscalculated and wrecked the lives of their members. Few of them were ever employed in Australia again.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:23am
    - tas
      
      Good. That’s how to treat strikers. If you take the country hostage, then expect the country to shun you. Reagan did the same with air traffic controllers.
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:36am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Winston Peters fired a shot across the bows of the E Tu union yesterday. Perhaps he should be reflecting on his party having supported the passage of industrial relations legislation that has given unions more power.
    
    Karma’s a bit, ain’t it Winston.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:13am
- oldgolfer
  
  Yes, and I’m betting much of the blame will be passed to what is sometimes called the government and the environment of expectation it has created.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:07am
  - Lance
    
    I’m betting the MSM will run interference to project the blame onto evil Air NZ execs and John Key.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:10am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      They already are.
      See the article in the Stuffed today… mostly negative comments against the union, so comments closed.
      A few heavily down ticked idiots trying to say how hard done by the poor striking workers are.
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:13am
      - G152
        
        Those ‘engineers’ get between two and three times the average pay.
        The cleaners, baggage handlers and such are on pretty ordinary wages
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:31am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Correct; the workers who are striking next week earn, on average, $115k per annum.
        
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        December 12, 2018 1:01pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      You’re onto it. Nine years of neglect.
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:21am
    - GazzaW
      
      The fact of the matter is that had the Nats been in power this would never have occurred. Messrs Key, English and Joyce would have had this nipped in the bud weeks ago.
      
      This may well become a watershed issue for the CoL if the strike proceeds.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:37am
  - sooty
    
    How many passengers are now going to fly with the opposition for ever!
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:11am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      I haven’t flown Air NZ since I took a flight to Auckland with them, plane was filthy, seats were falling apart, rubbish in the pockets, no service from them, and the pressurisation left me with sore ears.
      I flew Jetstar back, the plane was clean, the condition superb, lovely service, friendly smiles, and the pressurisation was great, no pain.
      Haven’t flown AirNZ since (Over 5 years now) and for some reason I never seem to hit the problems with Jetstar that the AirNZ fans all complain about.
      Only ever had one flight cancelled, due to Wellington airport being closed, and they put me up at their expense in a hotel with dinner and breakfast vouchers and flew me to Wellington the next day.
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:16am
      - thedavincimode
        
        You don’t actually own Jetstar by any chance?
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:22am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        I wish… If I owned Jetstar I would have put private planes on for my wedding guests.
        Sadly I thought I was a part owner of AirNZ, being a net tax payer and all…
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        I guess they have to get it right at least once per year.
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:26am
      - dubya
        
        I’m an Elite member with Air NZ thanks to regular business travel, but have no issues using Jetstar for the odd flight if it’s substantially cheaper. Never had a late flight (Air NZ often is) and there is the bonus of no stupid safety videos.
        
        I think the lack of a domestic lounge for Jetstar would be a killer for weekly travel, but for occasional off peak travel, they’re great and I’m pleased the competition exists.
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:28am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Dafixeruppa
        
        porno jones is also a part owner. I’m sure we can look to him to lead the charge on the strikes given his keen interest in Air New Zealand.
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:34am
      - kowtow
        
        dubya
        
        ‘I’m an Elite member with Air NZ’
        
        Here’s me thinking “equality” was a New Zealand “value”. For a taxpayer owned company that virtue signals race, diversity , etc they sure don’t “Walk the talk” .
        
        I think elitism is great . It’s the public bullshit and lies from the virtue signallers that needs calling out.
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:52am
      - GazzaW
        
        Nope. He just runs their PR agency.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:39am
  - septic skeptic
    
    They certainly set high expectations during the election campaign. Absolutely everything was going to be better for everyone once Labour got in. Except maybe for a few rich pricks.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:15am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Well, the hundreds of thousands of babies have stopped dying in poverty. Isn’t that enough for you?
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:23am
      - sooty
        
        No one is sleeping in their cars anymore!
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:42am
      - VicParking
        
        No strikes, just industrial action
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:35am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Bare with me, but I think one thing is better because of Labour and this strike. 42,000 will be spared the agony of sitting through that God awful safety video. I was twice tortured by Air NZ’s incel chap or whatever it is, yesterday. The video doesn’t grow on you through repetition.
      
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      December 12, 2018 12:29pm
      - Paulus
        
        42,000 per day of the strike – 3 days being talked about by the Unions = 120,000.
        And 2 days to get the schedules back.
        
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        December 12, 2018 1:24pm
- artemisia
  
  It’s not just travellers impacted. It is also extended families with the ham glazed and the barbie ready to fire up. And accommodation providers. And rental car providers. And and and ….
  
  So people impacted increases exponentially.
  
  And even if there is a resolution the number of people anxious is already huge and they will not forget.
  
  A concerned face from ‘no strikes on my watch’ is not going to cut it.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:09am
  - mic
    
    Yes, and my family is one of those. We’re off to Q’town on 23rd to visit our daughter who has made huge preparations. Her sisters and families are also going and the cost for airfares etc. has been significant.
    Those bastard, greedy unions!
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:09am
  - calendar girl
    
    ‘No strikes on my watch’ was a deliberate and reckless ‘punt’ from Ardern when she was NZ’s PM-to-be.
    
    How could she stand there and make hollow ‘no strikes’ promises in respect of a future 3-year period over which she could have no meaningful foresight?
    
    She was naive, inexperienced, and reckless in her willingness to say anything that might win her a stray vote. Then, when her ‘strikes-free’ vision crashes spectacularly 15 months later, she shows herself utterly helpless to do anything – with all her Government leadership power – to broker a solution to this serious breakdown of NZ’s air travel infrastructure.
    
    NZ was sold utopian visions that could never be delivered substantively by this inexperienced woman. She in turn won unexpected and artificial elevation to the PM’s office via the whimsical and capricious Winston Peters.
    
    This fine country deserves much better, more principled government than the present incumbents are able to offer or deliver.
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:36pm
    - artemisia
      
      The PM said her statement was only in relation to gender pay equity. Was it?
      
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      December 12, 2018 4:07pm
- Lance
  
  The worst thing is they are on big bucks to compensate for awkward hours which are normal in such an industry.
  
  I remember well electricians at the big paper mills were on something like $200K + in today’s money and all they did so go on strike and moan.
  
  Bloody tossers
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:09am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Well, looks like some of my family is not making it to my wedding… or for those smart enough to fly Jetstar down, may not make it back after.
  Hoping that the bosses at Jetstar fly in a bunch of spare planes with Engineers on board and off free flights to all people holding a valid AirNZ ticket for a cancelled flight.
  
  Do the unions not realise that if you kill the company, then there is no job any longer.
  Today’s strike may not be the final straw, but tomorrow’s may be.
  
  Thank you Jacinda, thank you Winston.
  You created this! you fix it! Then piss of out of government and let someone with experience govern. Go back to playing with your toys elsewhere
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:10am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  I fly quite a bit. Im AirNZ Elite (yes, one of those wankers). Ive been long haul (Canada, US, Europe) 5 times already this year, always wanker class. I have one last minute trip left, Im flying this weekend to London for the week. Every single one of those flights this year has been AirNZ.
  
  Spoke with our travel agent. Told her that after the debacle of me trying to get out of the US earlier this year and cancelled flights from Houston, and the strike, I wouldn’t be bothered seeing what AirNZ could offer. Im flying Emirates to London. And they have been kind enough, after a long chat with our travel agent, to upgrade me to first class for the long legs ex-Auckland and return.
  
  AirNZ, fuck you. Chompers ‘no strikes on my watch’ and the short arsed pensioner can kiss my hairy arse. You cannot be trusted to run an economy, so I will take my hard earned to an organisation that understands customer service. I understand they will be serving Dom P2 on the flight – Im quite looking forward to that.
  
  We are being dragged back to the awful days of the 1970’s, all courtesy of the fucktards who voted for Winston to ‘keep Bill honest’.
  
  Well done dickheads, that worked well didn’t it, trusting a know liar with your vote. Ill raise a glass in your general direction 😛
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:37am
  - thedavincimode
    
    all courtesy of the fucktards who voted for Winston to ‘keep Bill honest
    
    chuckie, I think he means you.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:44am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      +1
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:56am
    - Biscuit
      
      And that bloody WhaleOil…
      
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      December 12, 2018 12:43pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      You are a hero you anonymous fucktard. You probably would have voted for Muldoon.
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:46pm
  - flipper
    
    My Oh My…. Human.
    Good for you.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:49am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Flipper, Ive only heard good things about Emirates, particularly Business Class, but First Class appears out of this world. 17 hours to Dubai, Im leaving Auckland at 915 on Friday night, with Thursday night this week our staff Crimbo do at a nice restaurant in Auckland. Friday brunch with my leadership team, where they shall each be getting a rather tidy bonus letter, then I shall figure out which movies to watch as I get plastered at 35,000 feet. Ill report in next week 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2018 2:26pm
  - cmm
    
    Do these strikes only impact Aotearoaflot?
    
    I thought this covered all ground services, including pre-take off checks, cleaning etc and applied to all carriers.
    
    I know AirNZ does maintenance work for a wide variety of airlines (including even planes being flown from Oz and elsewhere for servicing). What about other services like cleaning and pre-flight? I would have thought it would make sense for Emerates et al to use AirNZ ground forces for those too.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:08am
  - Jules99
    
    You’re not a wanker for wanting good quality service for a high spending customer. That’s normal business practice.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:23am
    - KevOB
      
      Several long haul flights a year demand elite treatment.
      I would like to go the UK but the 25 hours sitting in the only affordable seats is too risky.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:42am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Are you blaming Air NZ for this? It seems to me their only contribution to the problem is being based in a country where unions have far too much power – and there’s not an awful lot they can do about that.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:36am
    - itstricky
      
      And having contracts that expire at this time of year;
      
      And trying to reduce their conditions at this time of year;
      
      And publishing their salary details to portray them as ‘rich pricks’ (never thought I would use that on KB; but it certainly seems true the way some of you are acting) Ignoring the cleaners and store people that apparently are also affected;
      
      And reneg’ing on their previous agreement to use the HPE process that they’d otherwise used for years.
      
      Like most stoushes like this, it is not all one way traffic.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:44am
      - labrator
        
        Is that all after 9 years of neglect too?
        
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        December 12, 2018 10:37am
      - itstricky
        
        Never saw you as a smarmy type person. I thought you were all about facts. Obviously these are management decisions, and little to do with shareholders, be they part of the 51%, or not.
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:07am
      - labrator
        
        Depends on how you read it itstricky but the more serious point would be why didn’t we have all these strikes under National? Surely more than just a coincidence…
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:22pm
    - KevOB
      
      Even more difficult when the unions have voting rights in the appointment of the Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:45am
      - GazzaW
        
        Is it time for DPF to install a meter similar to the two highlighting tree planting and house building (or lack of) but this one measuring hours or days of lost productivity due to industrial action?
        
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        December 12, 2018 12:30pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Scott Simpson is asking pretty much that very question this afternoon, of Iain Lees-Galloway:
        
        Hon SCOTT SIMPSON to the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety: How many workers have gone on strike so far in 2018, and does he believe it is reasonable for union workers at Air New Zealand to threaten strike action on the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd of December?
        
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        December 12, 2018 1:06pm
  - MickMac
    
    Hmmo Mea Culpa 🙂
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:33am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The public may not forget, but neither will the ancillary business’.
  Shuttle bus….nobody to shuttle
  Taxi’s….nobody to taxi
  Airport coffee shops….no customers
  Duty free…no customers
  Hotels
  Price of all those to recover costs.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:44am
  - cmm
    
    And tourists cancel their travels too. Why go to NZ in a risky travel climate and maybe get stuck somewhere for a week?
    
    Hotels, car/camper rental, bungy jumping operation, postcard sellers, eco tourism, marae tours, all down.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:57am
  - GazzaW
    
    ….and the workers in those businesses (in the main low paid) who will lose much needed pay at a time when family expenses are higher than normal. E Tu doesn’t give a fuck about them. By the way, E Tu execs seem to be running around in some flash new cars – I followed one into the supermarket carpark at the weekend so they seem to be able to use them for full private use as well. Petrol price increases won’t be worrying them too much.
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:52pm
- Simon
  
  Rich prick engineers. Think of all the children in poverty. The tax on cigarettes is horrific.
  
  Take a pay cut instead and let Cindy solve child poverty. The Engineer pay cut can be direct credited into poor people bank account over Christmas.
  
  Lets do this.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:58am
- Harkman
  
  I flew into Palmy on Air NZ in 2004, that was the last time I used their services. ?
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:05am
  - greybeard
    
    God, have you been stuck in Palmerston North since 2004 ?
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:58am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Probably only 2 weeks, but it would feel like it was that long 😀
      
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      December 12, 2018 2:28pm
- itstricky
  
  I remember getting paid overtime. In 1986.
  
  Ah, you lefties and your green eyed monster complex.
  
  Good on them for negotiating it into their contracts, I say.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:40am
  - Than
    
    Yes, how noble of them. Deliberately causing as much inconvenience and disruption to uninvolved parties as possible, in an attempt to heavy Air NZ into agreeing to their demands. Not at all thuggish and despicable behaviour.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:57am
    - starboard
      
      Itsdicky is on the dole so he would never fly anywhere. Probably just steal another car instead, eh bro.
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:43am
      - lifesgood
        
        I’m just hoping ANZ doesn’t cave to the engineers outrageous demands. The result will be higher air fares and they are way too high as it is. It would also give the engineers the confidence to pull this stunt every Christmas, year after year. I feel really sorry for anyone whose plans are disrupted and for the businesses affected. I hope the loathing that comes from this strike is directed at the engineers, their union bosses and the despicable COL.
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:05am
      - itstricky
        
        Probably just steal another car instead, eh bro
        
        Yeah bro. My car is nicknamed Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and I’ve flown it to Thailand. Nice weather here. Fancy a Mai Thai?
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:12am
    - itstricky
      
      I’m sure that publicly publishing their salaries in order to try to reduce their conditions at Christmas isn’t thuggish, either.
      
      As I said, like any messy relationship break down, there are faults on both sides.
      
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      December 12, 2018 11:10am
      - Batman
        
        Get off the grass. They didn’t publish their salaries, they published anonymised salary bracket information, including the average.
        
        That’s hardly an underhand tactic, it’s just open and transparent, right?
        
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        December 12, 2018 2:27pm
      - itstricky
        
        Yes, you’re quite right – an average that they knew would get them on side with the public who would automatically go “they earn what?” – along with their previous percentage increases and their proposed ones.
        
        Let’s not pretend that release was anything other than what it is. You’d have done far better to say “they are defending themselves”
        
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        December 12, 2018 2:41pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Why shouldn’t the public know the AirNZ engineers’ general pay-level rates? Do they feel sufficiently aggrieved about that to seek to punish their own customers? The very paying-customers who provide the only income available to pay the engineers’ existing and future incomes?
        
        This is the real world, itstricky. It’s not as though AirNZ is publishing a long list of its engineers’ names, accompanied by each engineer’s gross income earned over the last 12 months.
        
        (Mind you, an exposé such as the latter might produce a quick end to the engineers’ strikes when their wives find out the engineers’ real incomes that they have kept secret for years!)
        
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        December 12, 2018 4:15pm
      - itstricky
        
        Why shouldn’t the public know the AirNZ engineers’ general pay-level rates?
        
        Wanna tell us your pay rate? So we can get all annoyed at how much you earn?
        
        Do they feel sufficiently aggrieved about that to seek to punish their own customers?
        
        Err no. Air NZ published it, in response to the strike. A counter-strike, so to say. To get the public on their side. But not the sort of thing that you have any interest in amicably resolving the issue.
        
        This is the real world, itstricky
        
        Sure is. So you’d be quite happy to have your overtime cut, then? Or a hefty chunk taken out of your income? Seems like it to me.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:29pm
      - calendar girl
        
        I don’t have a ‘pay rate’, itstricky; as usual you assume too much.
        
        As I’m self-employed and self-sufficient, I can’t go ‘on strike’ to gain artificial ‘leverage’ when I want to gain an income increase at everyone else’s expense).
        
        And I despise those who would disadvantage their own customers and their fellow New Zealanders – the source of their income from wages and salaries – in the most critical week of the year when those customers want to be able to join their families at Christmas. It’s a blatant abuse of collective union power.
        
        I hope that Air NZ does not give in to this pitiful blackmail that you seem to favour, itstricky. Its job as the country’s national / international carrier is to deliver efficient, safe and reliable air travel. Old-style, confrontational labour ultimatums in the week before Christmas deserve to cost dearly their self-centred engineering promoters and perpetrators.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:25pm
      - Than
        
        Ah, so there is blame on both sides.
        
        When you are reduced to using the same excuses that Trump does, you may not be on the morally right side of the argument.
        
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        December 13, 2018 6:26pm
  - jcuk
    
    And double time on special days too.
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:03pm
- Tricati
  
  The Air NZ, engineers, via their union spokesperson, suggesting that safety is their primary concern is nonsense. Air NZ have both NZCAA Certificates as an operator under Rule Part 119/121 and a maintenance organisation primarily under Rule Part 145.
  The intrinsic safety that these certificated bring through the policy and procedures that support them, in conjunction with the suite of manuals that support the maintenance of the aircraft provided by the manufacturer ensures the safe operation of the aircraft. The overarching Safety Management System (SMS) that the company will have to have, ensures through internal and external audits that safety is maintained.
  It’s about money – The engineers will have had significant input into their rosters, with the aim to maximise income for the least amount of days at work. I suggest these rosters will have been constructed to ensure part of the weekends will be seen as overtime, hence the debate over retaining double time.
  To use the travelling public as pawns at this time of year is both cynical and manipulative, and is all about greed.
  Make no mistake; this is about a union flexing its muscle, with tacit approval from a Labour lead government and a return to the 1970/80’s approach to industrial relations.
  Its just the start unfortunately with the new Industrial legislation.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:35am
  - realityczech
    
    “a return to the 1970/80’s approach to industrial relations.”
    
    Trihard, As opposed to your 1700’s approach?
    
    It must really annoy you that these people do a job that is both useful and respected, unlike yourself.
    
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    December 12, 2018 6:06pm
- Morrissey
  
  Pay them properly. When you park your fat and complacent arse on a plane seat, who do you think keeps you safe?
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:23pm
  - Batman
    
    As usual, Moaning Morrissey provides nothing of substance except ad hominems.
    
    Do you not believe that an average salary of $115,000 per year is being paid properly? That is twice the average take home pay.
    
    If so, please tell us what you think constitutes “properly”.
    
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    December 12, 2018 2:30pm
    - itstricky
      
      I dunno. Is $8mil enough for a CEO?
      
      KB is a funny place. One day they’re all arguing about market rates and fair competition. The next they’re on about $100k being far too much for the people who keep the planes in the air.
      
      Swings and roundabouts, I guess.
      
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      December 12, 2018 3:55pm
      - realityczech
        
        Mozzie & Tricky – They are appalled that a person doing a real job should have any sort of rights at all.
        
        They represent the lunatic fringe of the National Party; Smug, heartless and entitled. Thanks to pricks like them Labour will get, at least, another term.
        
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        December 12, 2018 5:50pm
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    They are paid properly – they have said its about safety, not pay – or are you saying your union mates are liars?
    
    Frankly, my muscular buttocks think its about the pilots once Im lowering myself into a large seat. If Im worried about the engineers at that stage, Im in the wrong place.
    
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    December 12, 2018 2:31pm
    - calendar girl
      
      It’s a pilots’ job to ensure – as best he or she can – that the engineers have done their job properly. That’s why a pilot will invariably do his or her own walkabout in advance of taking off. As a customer, I hope that there are as many cross-checks as practicable.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:44pm
duggledog

Todd McClay’s article in The Spinoff is utterly absurd and embarrassingly ill-informed.

‘My response is to write a column to the Spinoff, not call for the defunding or re-education of media.’

LOL. Was he writing about New Zealand?

I think it’s pretty clear the vast majority of mainstream media professionals (aside from Leighton Smith and a couple of others) have long since been ‘re-educated’ without the need of any UN interference to speak lovingly of our many imported alien cultures.

Speak ill of them and your days are numbered.

As far as ‘de-funding’ goes, again, what planet does McClay live on?

For years now, public monies have only been available for outlets promoting beneficial stories of multiculturalism. When was the last time you saw a TV show or heard a radio documentary questioning the beneficence of mass immigration from 3rd world countries, or, say, Moslems?

“A day late and a dollar short.”

1/10. Writing this article and having it published in The Spinoff is not the same as being employed by The Spinoff.
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December 12, 2018 8:02am
- Scott
  
  duggledog- I am not sure why you have been so relentlessly down ticked for your comments about Todd McClay’s article on immigration and the UN global compact?
  
  I think Todd McClay reveals precisely why New Zealanders have become concerned about immigration and globalisation. McClay on at least 2 occasions in his article tries to reassure his readers that we are not anti-immigration and that we are “good global citizens”.
  
  This is the exact point that Donald Trump was making and Brexit was making! This desire to be good global citizens means that we open up our doors to people of all cultures and all races in vast numbers. Many Kiwis understandably are concerned that our government is replacing us with people from overseas.
  
  So here are a couple of points that should be made. The government of New Zealand is elected to govern in the best interests of the people of New Zealand.
  
  The government of New Zealand should be less concerned about our reputation as “good global citizens” and more concerned about the well-being of ordinary New Zealanders.
  
  In New Zealand we have a way of life that is worth preserving and conserving and building on. The effect of bringing in thousands and thousands of foreigners who may or may not assimilate can be profound. We note with alarm the experience of countries like France and Belgium and Britain that have many thousands of unassimilated immigrants who do not seem to want to assimilate and indeed do not value the culture of their new country.
  
  But this is the trouble. Many many New Zealanders are concerned about the effect of thousands and thousands of immigrants being brought in each year. But both major parties refuse to listen to the concerns of their voters and refuse to change course on immigration.
  
  Labour is no better. They came into office promising to cut down on immigration. But they broke their promise by badgering Australia to take in 3rd world refugees that Australia refuses to accept and the United States refuses to accept. So instead of cutting down immigration labour is wanting to bring in more Third World immigrants regardless of their merits!
  
  Both National and Labour need to wake up and smell the coffee on the immigration issue.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:11am
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    Scott,
    
    “I think Todd McClay reveals precisely why New Zealanders have become concerned about immigration and globalisation.”
    
    Which ones other than those on KB or Whale Oil or Tuning into Leighton Smith ?
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:39am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Scott: Sebastian Kurz, the Chancellor of Austria: “Those who do not put clear limits on migration will soon start to feel like strangers in their own land.”
    
    This will happen before too long in New Zealand- maybe it is happening already.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:44am
  - KevOB
    
    The problem seems to have gotten worse in recent years. Up to about 2015 we had negative or zero net migration to NZ then whammy 45 000 followed by 60 ooo. National had been very successful and everybody had started coming home again.
    
    The foreign student training industry was involved too. They seem to be offering implied permanent residency. Further the economy was taking off again and we needed workers urgently so more migrants. That gave NZ an instant housing crisis. Add internal migration and wonder again why Auckland was in trouble.
    
    Chinese have been settling in Auckland for years but the Middle East wars have got NZ twitchy about Muslim migration. The Australians had wisely in the past turned away from open doors to accepting those who could make a new home peaceably. Our formal immigration quota was set at a level that we could handle. Those people need support and there are large hidden teams doing that successfully.
    
    A diversity based society has no rules so everyone is free to do their own thing. Unfortunately that is the opposite of civil society. Our Maori tribes have a stake in this too and in maintaining their positions among themselves.They have been rearmed with settlements so peace is tenuous.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:14am
    - kiwitoffee
      
      Sorry! I ticked the wrong box.
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:19am
- stephieboy
  
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  duggledog,
  
  “Speak ill of them and your days are numbered”
  
  Meaning what? Another victim of a “Clinton “Body count?
  
  As for the rest of your drivel, enough said!
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:35am
Captain Mainwaring

Have I not been paying attention?
I thought Comrade Cindy was supposed to be going to the ‘Climate Change’ wankfest in Poland, but she seems to be still here.
Did I miss something?
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December 12, 2018 8:02am
- Woz
  
  She was tired.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Baby brain and doing too much lawn mowing with a dud Czech.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    Udder problems in NZ!
    Slease, Twitford, the thug, Clare, Whiney, Derek, Jethro, sex camp, Me Too,dud cheque, Cullen. Kiwi build, teachers, nurses, half nz striking.
    Where do you stop.
    It’s enough to curdle your milk!
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:20am
- KevOB
  
  It’s a big, long party so she’s waiting for her appearance as Acclaimed Leader of Unwed Working Mothers of Morrinsville.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:13am
- G152
  
  With the onset of the strike she might not get back…
  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:34am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    In Poland right?
    Auschwitz still open?…Bugger
    Too sick?
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:58am
- Simon
  
  “Over the next two weeks in Katowice, COP24 needs to agree the guidelines that countries will use to implement the Paris Agreement,” says James Shaw.
  
  New Zealand is also co-hosting a series of events on sustainable agriculture and climate change, collectively called ‘Act!on Agriculture’.
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/conference-gets-underway-poland-write-rules-climate-change-action
  
  “Act!on Agriculture” Wank on you losers.
  
  “I’m under no illusion the sorts of questions we face in Katowice will involve some tough discussions,+
  
  James Shaw drunk on the stink of his own shit.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:06am
- VicParking
  
  With this last bit of wet weather the lawns are growing so she needs to supervise the lawn mowing.
  Also its Jethros rutting season.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:39am
- chwaga
  
  Too busy doing a photo shoot for the December edition of the Australian Womans Weekly telling us all about the baby. Mrs Chwaga says there are seven pages in total.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:16am
artemisia

A sole trader tradie starts up a business while stacking shelves at night to make ends meet. Raises a mortgage against the family home to buy gear, vehicle and a workshop. And can offset tradie losses against other income until the profits start.

Which by the way might never happen due to the failure rate of small businesses.

But in the eyes of the government, no problem offsetting losses. It’s just one sector that is targeted, that would be the one supplying rentals for tenants. Yet another way to encourage landlords out of the market and discourage them from buying some of the new build apartments coming on to the market.

Meantime, state house approved applicants up 63% on September 2017.

May be a few lines to read between.
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December 12, 2018 8:04am
- Tricati
  
  Add if they take drugs in the state house, then the tax payer will compensate them – you can’t make this shit up!!
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    It would pay to do your own drug test before accepting a state house. You never know whats gone before.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:23am
  - kowtow
    
    And the tax payer funded media will loudly and regularly support the tax payer “compensating” said drug users who damaged the tax payer owned property.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:08am
  - backster
    
    I think the Labour Greens Peters coalitions long term plan is for the Housing Corp to provide all rental accommodation. Capitalism has failed.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:44am
    - KevOB
      
      Got it!
      
      The COL has a systematic plan, a fraud on the voters.
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:17am
Kiwi_in_Paris

China strikes back:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/11/former-canadian-diplomat-detained-china-amid-tensions-arrest/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

Makes you wonder what would happen if New Zealand ever had to arrest one of theirs.
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December 12, 2018 8:06am
- simpleton1
  
  Seems to be a flight risk factor.
  “Meng has used seven passports from China and Hong Kong in the last 11 years to enter the United States. The passports include four issued by China, and three issued by Hong Kong.
  
  Both Chinese and Hong Kong passports have a typical validity period of 10 years. Legally, a mainland Chinese citizen cannot hold both a Chinese and Hong Kong passport at the same time.” https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-many-passports-of-arrested-huawei-cfo-meng-wanzhou_2734066.html
  Seems ok to break Chinese supposed laws too.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:33am
  - Simon
    
    “Meng has used seven passports from China and Hong Kong in the last 11 years to enter the United States.”
    
    How can NZ have any trade deals etc with such a corrupt country run by the CCP.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:08am
    - KevOB
      
      How can we assist the USA on it global spying?
      We all have to live together. We can’t change them and both benefit from mutual trade.
      
      Is a return to fortress NZ desired?
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:22am
- peterwn
  
  This is an extremely tricky one. Extradition treaties and comity between nations require the arrest warrant be actioned (as long as the alleged crime is also a crime in the country who does the arrest). If the Canadian arrested had indeed infringed Chinese law then he (and Canada) must accept the consequences, even if a Chinese jail is not as comfy as Leavenworth.
  USA should do the right thing here and pressure China to get the Canadian released. However Donald Trump’s tariffs etc against China means the screw has already been turned nearly as much as possible.
  I think that Kim Dotcom would like to ‘buy off’ some tinpot nation who would give him citizenship and then arrest some Kiwi on trumped up charges to use to bargain Kim’s release.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:34am
  - KevOB
    
    I’m waiting to find out if this medieval action is going to set the history of this century. Conspiracy is likely to be a crime worldwide but the underlying issue of the substance of may not be. Here that is a claim by the USA to extraterritorial imperial rights to demand other nations do as the USA demands. Chinese citizens (and NZ ones) have no sovereign loyalty to the USA.
    
    Compounding this, is President Trump negotiated with Premier Xi ongoing terms of trade. Effectively a truce requiring good faith. Both countries have serious issues of technology development, control and future trade power. At that very same time an extremely high ranking person in the Chinese corporate hierarchy was being arrested by a third country on the orders of the USA. Either the POTUS was ignorant, hence demonstratively irrelevant, or a party to an extreme insult to the Leader of China. That traditionally requires retaliation.
    
    The USA cannot claim to have clean hands when they were able to quote foreign presidents’ personal communications possibly forwarded via the 5-eyes network with which we assist.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:29am
- Jack5
  
  Meanwhile, US intelligence agencies have offered to help track China activities in NZ.
  
  I wonder if they will look at Jian Yang, selected by National Party president Peter Goodfellow to become an MP on National’s list in 2011.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109255452/us-warning-to-new-zealand-on-china
  
  and, looking back:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/96803291/national-mp-trained-by-chinese-spies
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:43am
  - Simon
    
    Opps Jack5 you are not supposed to say Jian Yang’s name.
    
    It is like he doesnt really exist. Both Labo & National think he is invisible
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:11am
  - KevOB
    
    In the present stupidity NZ may get an Imperial Order*demanding that all persons of Chinese birth or deemed Chinese birth be stood down as list members from our Parliament.
    
    Sovereignty without boundaries is a free for all.
    
    *From Turkmenistan.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:28am
    - Jack5
      
      Kevin satirised thus: ” ….demanding that all persons of Chinese birth or deemed Chinese birth be stood down as list members from our Parliament.”
      
      No, Kevin, but stand down the ones with a track record in the Chinese electronic spy service, and any who are members of the Chinese Communist Party. It’s damn hard to get rich in China without being a member of the party. Most of the Mainland Chinese in Auckland are rich. Some will still be party members.
      
      I doubt the National Party would make a list MP out of a former KGB/FSI employee. In the past we refused to accept a German diplomat who had served in SS.
      
      Why a pass for China, which has set up brain-washing camps for tens of thousands of Uighurs, and whose president has reaffirmed the country’s commitment to Marxism?
      
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      December 12, 2018 1:26pm
      - Justitia
        
        Having any member of the CCP sitting in Parliament is the same as accepting a member of the German Nazi Party in the 1930s. Both serve fascistic totalitarian regimes. New Zealand has become a bloody disgrace.
        
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        December 12, 2018 3:12pm
  - realityczech
    
    Can they sort our Mossad while they are at it Jacksie?
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:32pm
    - Jack5
      
      ‘Afternoon ❗Kearealityczech❗
      
      Your cover creation continues to impress. The folk in Tel Aviv will be extremely happy with you. Never again will just getting an NZ passport be sufficient for a new agent. ?
      
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      December 12, 2018 1:30pm
      - realityczech
        
        Shalom Jacksie, don’t forget to pick up a Christmas Ham on your way back from Synagogue tonight 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 5:32pm
  - Justitia
    
    Why hasn’t Yang been investigated and thrown out of the country for omitting important information about his past (on instruction from the Chinese authorities it seems) from his immigration papers?
    
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    December 12, 2018 3:15pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  The Chinese generally only use two words for non-Chinese, waiguoren and laowai. Both mean foreigner.
  
  There is no, Caucasian, African, black, or white.
  
  To them, we may as well be Uighurs.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:00am
  - Jack5
    
    In southern China, where much of the economic activity is, they often call white people gwai lo, or shortened to just gwai.
    
    Means ghost man – referring to skin colour.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:16am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Sounds pretty offensive.
      
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      December 12, 2018 11:00am
    - realityczech
      
      Like you people shortening Goyim to Goy Jacksie?
      
      Let me guess, that is different.
      
      But don’t let me interrupt today’s rants about the mud races…..
      
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      December 12, 2018 12:34pm
  - SGA
    
    There is no, Caucasian, African, black, or white.
    To them, we may as well be Uighurs.
    
    Not my experience. KiP. I’ve dated a couple of women from China over the years, and they were far from colour blind that way.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:32am
Kiwi_in_Paris

And for Mama Merkel and Mama’s boy Macron:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKu7-cLxvf0
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December 12, 2018 8:08am
hullkiwi

Hey Phil Twitford, how is your rudderless KiwiBuild programme?

Have you subsidized any more rich millennials into a home this week?

A bit difficult when your direct report Chief Executive hasn’t been at his desk for 6 weeks!
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December 12, 2018 8:12am
- sooty
  
  Just reading between the lines.
  He ain’t ever coming back, he’s going to get a million bucks in a payout. Twitford is a bully and there will have ben witnesses and maybe recordings to back it up. You had bedder sack him now!
  Another one for the back benches. You can’t put him into the whitless protection program. He’s the front of slumbuild. Who else you got due for promotion!
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:33am
- artemisia
  
  Not so fast, hullkiwi. I’ll have you know that the official number of Kiwibuild actual buyers has increased just this week.
  
  From 39 to 40.
  
  Success!
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:38am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Geez artemisia, I don’t want to burst anybody’s bubble, but at that rate they’ll never reach 10,000 homes per annum! And serious question, where the f*** has the $2bn of taxpayer taken and allocated money for KiwiSlum in this year’s budget gone?
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:14am
    - artemisia
      
      Good question hullkiwi. I see Ms Collins is asking numerous questions on and around this subject. Smart person, she’ll get there.
      
      Mind you yesterday in the House, while answering one of her questions, Mr Twyford referred to the Opposition as ‘the current government’. Missing Mr Sroubek?
      
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      December 12, 2018 4:14pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  To repeat myself:
  Like him or loathe him, David Seymour produces some good work.
  From Hansard yesterday during Q5..
  “David Seymour: Is it not the case that KiwiBuild is such an illogical, confused, and contradictory dog’s breakfast of a policy that the guy in charge has given up trying to work it out and gone into hiding?”
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:31pm
Biscuit

Captain, I read that somewhere, too.

Still, with Jimmy Shaw over there, New Zealand IS well-represented by a busybody earnest woman type, right?

COP24 has already been on since 3 December and goes on for another two days yet.

It is simply yet another UN-inspired effort – it is called COP24 because this is the 24th chin-wag they’ve had since 1992 – to ‘do something’ but, as always with the presently-constituted UN, it will again fail to achieve anything of tangible note.
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December 12, 2018 8:14am
- graham
  
  As I posted yesterday, I refuse to take the hand-wringing by James Shaw et al seriously.
  
  These three scientists have at least made a conscious decision and effort to reduce their “carbon footprint” and have reduced the number of miles they fly per year.
  
  If James Shaw HONESTLY believed the world is as doomed as he claims, then he should do the same. Instead he’s flown off to multiple conferences over the last six months (at least five that I’m aware of – roughly one a month) in Singapore, China, Suva, California, Scott Base, and now Poland.
  
  Between October 1 and the end of December last year, he $26,712 on international travel to Europe for climate-change meetings. If he REALLY believes what he preaches, how can he justify all this jetting around?
  
  Mr Shaw – instead of jetting all over the world, try a video conference.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:02am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Well, currently the Air New Zealand Engineers Union is doing more to combat air pollution than James Shaw is!
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:16am
  - alwyn
    
    I think Shaw is trying to keep well away from Wellington so that he can avoid getting caught up in any fall-out from the shambles that was last year’s Census.
    He is, after all, the Minister responsible for the Statistics Department who have left us with no usable Census results.
    If he were here he might not be able to avoid questions about how they are going to define the various electorate boundaries for the next election and other such trivial matters..
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:04pm
  - Komata
    
    but graham, Mr Shaw is ‘Investigating’ the matter of ‘Climate Change’ so that he can be a better minister, and if travelling to various places is part of his ‘investigative’ method, who are we, as mere proles, to question his devotion to the task..?
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:42pm
secondcumming

*KATIE HOPKINS* NEVER AFRAID TO CALL IT LIKE IT IS!

“LEADERS rejected the Compact….SUBMISSIVES adopted it”

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1072096017699487745

[…and WTF is with Mike Hosking’s seemingly tacit support?]
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December 12, 2018 8:14am
- oldpark
  
  @secondcumming 8.14am
  Sounds like Hoskings’ far left Employers who own Newstalkzb have given him the message. Or could it be a threat . “Remember who pays you’re wages”. Yes he has become some sort of an arse licking whimp recently. What a shame and an indictment of a guy who once was a red blooded NZ.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:34am
  - secondcumming
    
    Yup, couldn’t agree more oldpark……he even tried to justify his wimpish stance a little later in the show.
    Certainly sounds like he’s been got at?
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:42am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Hosking wasn’t tacitly supporting it yesterday, he was supporting it: “I’m not fazed” by it.
  
  Today he woke up a tiny, tiny bit when Mark reminded him a few times that this ‘nonbinding’ agreement *will* find its way into NZ law.
  
  I think Hosking is either too stupid to see the dangers (never looks at European news??) or too lazy to take on the very difficult effort opposing this is going to need, because anyone opposing it will be automatically defamed as a ‘racist’.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:08am
oldpark

The threatened Air New Zealand strike by Engineers Union. The genesis can be laid at the feet of Peters and Ardern. Yes anyone missing out on being home for Christmas can blame Peters and Ardern.
The day Peters selected Ardern to be NZs PM she made a beeline for the Combined Trade Union (CTU) in Wellington. That was here first port of call.
Her words to them. Thanks for helping at election . “Go for you’re employment claims ,with you all the way” Seems we reap what we sew.The E-TU and many other unions are acting accordingly. How could they go wrong . Ardern and Peters are with them all the way.
The present threat by the Air New Zealand Engineers are if they dont top up their circa Annual$150,000 Dollars they will strike on December 21,22,23. They are saying fugh the travelling Public. After all the Peters Party/Arderns Liebour party/The far left Lunatic Green Party are with us. How could we be wrong.
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December 12, 2018 8:16am
graham

White males are now officially a minority group in some English Universities.

Two Universities in England are now actively targeting white males in recruitment drives because the numbers are too low, and they are now classed as a “minority group”.

Essex and Aston Universities have become Britain’s first non-elite institutions to write the target into their official recruitment plans, putting white males on a par with Black students and women engineers.

White British students are in a minority at roughly one in ten institutions, according to the Higher Education Statistics Agency.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/09/universities-launch-drive-recruit-white-males-low-numbers-give/
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December 12, 2018 8:17am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Does that mean we can get in easier too, like all the other minority groups have over the years, at our expense?
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:34am
Rodney Randall

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/dec/10/un-states-agree-historic-global-deal-to-manage-refugee-crisis

Marta Foresti:
Director of the Human Mobility Initiative at the Overseas Development Institute, described the accord as “very significant” and “remarkable”

Foresti said the accord’s status as not legally binding did not mean it would not work. The Paris climate change agreement, she said, was a hybrid of legally and non-legally binding.

She said: “Over the last few years we have seen just how badly governments all over the world have failed to put in place policies that protect the lives of migrants and allay public concerns over messy and incoherent approaches to border management.

“The global compact for migration will help governments work together to better manage migration and ensure that people making cross-border journeys can do so in a legal, orderly and safe way.”

The idea of the agreement was to create a political platform for states to cooperate, she said.

Cooperate in facilitating the movement of illegal migrants.

Thirty out of the 193 UN countries that agreed on the pact did not attend the conference.

On Friday, the US described the pact as “an effort by the United Nations to advance global governance at the expense of the sovereign right of states”.

NZ Labour politicians still openly lying to NZ public about intentions (Chris Fafoi on Mike Hosking right now) despite the UN’s announcing it passed yesterday.
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December 12, 2018 8:18am
- cmm
  
  Many of the countries that did not sign up are the ones people want to go to, especially the USA.
  
  Somalia signs up? So what!
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:51am
- Classic Liberal
  
  At least Hosking sounded like he was starting to see a little glimmer of the light when Mark repeated calmly and sensibly that this Pact would find its way into our legislation. Hosking realised there could be some legislative ‘creep’.
  
  Mark should have mentioned the threat to free speech though.
  
  Judging by Europe, I think we’d get lots of creeps, actually!
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:26am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Hosking prefaced the topic with “this migration compact, it’s a good thing right?”
    
    It is one of the universes greatest mysteries why Hosking is so far behind the 8 ball on this. There is no excuse.
    
    A glimmer of hope is being very generous.
    
    Clearly Hosking has not read the parts of the document that relate to how this pact is to be ‘sold’ to the public. One could argue he has inadvertantly already ‘sold’ out.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:37am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I sighed at the ‘good thing’ statement too. But during the debate he did seem to finally understand that it would work its way into our laws.
      
      However, he is middle aged, comfortably off and seems to be too clueless or too lazy to really look into the issues and see just how horrific the situation has become in some European countries.
      
      He likes to have a light banter with people and keep the tone jolly in short chats. He’s no hard-nosed political debater.
      
      I’m hoping National sticks to its guns on this.
      
      National needs to point out the threat to free speech and get the media to understand they are to be trained up as the UN wishes.
      
      I know, I know, most ‘journalists’ think that way anyway, but the idea of being told how to think still won’t appeal to many in the media.
      
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      December 12, 2018 11:18am
holysheet

Jethro enters a tavern, sits down at the bar, and orders a double martini on the rocks.

After he finishes the drink, he peeks inside his shirt pocket, then orders another double martini.

After he finishes that it, he again peeks inside his shirt pocket and orders another one.

The bartender says: “Look, buddy, I’ll bring you martini’s all night long – but you got to tell me why you look inside your shirt pocket before you order a refill.”

Jethro replies: “I’m peeking at a photo of Cindy. When she starts to look good, I will know it’s time to go home!”
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December 12, 2018 8:19am
- freethinker
  
  Cindys having problems at home & work and is so stressed she makes an appointment with a Psychiatrist. After 2 minutes of questioning the Psychiatrist delivers his diagnosis –
  You have two parts of brain, ‘left’ and ‘right’. In the left side, there’s nothing right. In the right side, there’s nothing left. Suggest you call in at the vets and see if they have any left over brains from deceased squirrels available for a transplant.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:35am
- Colville
  
  holy.
  I used the same approach when going on long solo hunting trips.
  Take a picture of Helen Clarke (the heavily photoshopped one) when I start to think she is attractive I have been in the bush too long!
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:24am
harvey wilson

Arderns government tried to end three strikes, wants to close prisons because they say they don’t work, shorten sentences, covers up endemic sexual abuse within the party and now they suddenly care about a victim of a crime?

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence the tearful apology got coverage overseas.

Most. Cynical. Government. Ever.
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December 12, 2018 8:19am
- KevOB
  
  Taxcinda’s takeover of the unfortunate tourist murder launched serious publicity in the UK. The media there responded with fleshing out the details to enhance he story. Andrew Little should have addressed his comments to the PM.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:28am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Stefaknee, Muttonbird and Morrisey are currently trying to string together a post containing some tenuous whattaboutery to deflect from the Blairite cynicism of her on demand tears for the camera .
    
    Considering the way those three and the loons at the standard have treated the Czech drug dealers wife who fears for her life it’s a bit ridiculous to claim that victims of crime actually matter to them .
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:09am
- Philview
  
  Angry Andy is of course angry. Not a good look for his reforms when the global media puts the spotlight on the case. Based on past experience we have seen of these sort of cases, the Killer’s version of events will be presented as truth, the victim’s reputation will be dragged through the mud and the Killer will get a lenient sentence.
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:10am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Well, they’ve certainly had a lot more than three strikes now….
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:16am
hullkiwi

Someone give the Radio New Zealand news readers a geography lesson.

Nicola Wright, at 7.30am “100km west of Brazil’s capital Sao Paolo”. No, Sao Paolo is not the capital of Brazil. Brasilia is the capital of Brazil.
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December 12, 2018 8:23am
- Biscuit
  
  A good Quiz question for you, hullkiwi.
  
  Two very large South American cities are named after Apostles.
  
  You cite Sao Paolo (various spelling sexist!), named for St. Peter.
  
  What is the other, the capital city of its country?
  
  (Test of DPF’s blank space policy follows)
  
  Santiago, named for St. John.
  
  Edit: Sniff, DPF, your system took my lovingly-entered spaces away. Censorship, CENSORSHIP, I tells thee!
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:32am
  - hullkiwi
    
    You didn’t even give a chance, and yes, I knew the answer.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:01am
    - Biscuit
      
      Aw, soz, hullkiwi.
      
      Let’s blame that bloody DPF, eh?
      
      I’ll give you another one but won’t answer it till you’ve had a ‘go’:
      
      Santiago’s full name is Santiago de Chile.
      
      Why?
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:10am
      - hullkiwi
        
        The only reason I can guess at is because Santiago de Cuba was established first in 1515.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:26am
  - RalphT
    
    Close, but no cigar. Sao Paolo is named after St Paul, not St Peter and Santiago is named after the patron saint of Spain, St James.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:10am
    - Biscuit
      
      Ah, RalphT is spotting my deliberate errors!
      
      (Hell, if Cindy can get away with ‘transparency’ I can get away with ‘downright lying’…)
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:13am
    - Biscuit
      
      hullkiwi, spot on!
      
      You win this here copy of ‘The Achievements of the Ardern/Peters/Shaw Coalition Government’.
      
      350 pages for you to draw on!
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Argh , delete function not working.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:19am
Mobile Michael

Name suppression in the case of Grace Mullane’s alleged killer is all a bit pointless – a quick Google nets the name from the UK media.

Hopefully his lawyer will realise the futility and drop the appeal.
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December 12, 2018 8:24am
- harvey wilson
  
  And Labours most recent sexual assault perpetrator remains unknown. How did they manage that?
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:28am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …yes, and with it the lawyer was hinting his client may not get a fair trial.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:31am
    - Chris2
      
      The defence lawyer could argue that for the Prime Minister of New Zealand to publicly apologise to the world about the murder, means his client can never get a fair trial in this country.
      
      She should have kept her mouth shut.
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:43am
      - Longknives
        
        Any Defence Lawyers on here? DG?
        I thought the Prime Minister rambling on about her ‘Murder’ and faking tears (AFTER the guy had been formally charged) was something that a Defence Counsel might leap upon as prejudicing the case…
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      Longknives, also irresponsible comment and speculation about the offenders’ identity giving the defence the opportunity to declare a mistrial etc.
      
      Not helping Grace’s family one bit!
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:00am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Not interested in Stuffy the Rape-denier’s opinions at all.
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:20am
      - Swifty
        
        The defence doesn’t get to declare a mistrial you idiot.
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:22am
- Sofia
  
  What is more negatively compromise the attitude of a potential juror – to know the alleged murderer’s name, or that the police are appealing for public assistance to find a shovel?
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:34am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    All the stuff the MSM in NZ has dug up about his former flatmates etc is far more destructive to the case than revealing his name.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:49am
    - Sofia
      
      Like …
      Jan Logie, the parliamentary undersecretary for domestic violence and sexual violence issues … said she hoped the national revulsion over Millane’s murder would translate into action. “People’s strong emotional responses offer us the opportunity to make fundamental changes in our country that we know we need. I want people to hold on to this feeling, this anger.”
      
      Logie wants to change the fact that …
      Police attend a domestic violence incident every four minutes, with an estimated 80% of incidents going unreported. – from the same news item
      
      Can she hope to change any of that, but not prejudice a court case?
      She needs to talk to Little about timing, or Little needs to change the suppression laws.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:18am
  - MCos
    
    The person’s name will be well know by the time a trial is held and will only be significant if a juror knows the guy personally in which case they should inform the judge at jury selection and be discharged.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:18am
- peterwn
  
  Tried it, starting with the Daily Mirror. The Mirror to its credit had suppressed the name and pixellated the photo.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:45am
- flipper
  
  Did he commit the crime?
  If he did, let us find out and convict in a proper way.
  The media attention to this sad death is an absolute disgrace.
  The unstated suggestions already made are that the victim is a Saint (she may be totally blameless), and the person charged is 100% guilty, and the worst murdered of all time.
  But it is time to give it a rest and move on.
  Oh BTW ….in the UK it be likely to happen at any time, and never attract much attention.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:04am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “she may be totally blameless”
    
    Huh? Unless a victim actually starts a physical fight and the killer commits manslaughter while acting in desperate self-defence, victims of killing most certainly are ‘totally blameless’.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:38am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There will be overwhelming physical evidence linking him to her death. If he doesn’t plead guilty, surely his defence will be that the death was either an accident or self-defence and he then panicked and disposed of her body.
  
  In that case his name is not prejudicial and neither is the existence of a shovel. The only thing that is prejudicial is the Prime Minister standing up in front of the world and calling it a murder.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:49am
Huevon

Ardern’s responses to Bridge’s questioning in Parliament yesterday about the Czech drug smuggler affair were uncharacteristically precise. I had originally dismissed the conspiracy theories because I thought this whole thing was due to a Lees-Galloway cock up. But it seems Ardern may have had to craft her answers carefully, quite possibly with the benefit of legal advice. I look forward to Bridge’s continued cross examination with interest.
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December 12, 2018 8:27am
- KevOB
  
  Yes. She is running deliberate obstruction. Hinting also that she will weaponise any OIA request to delay as long as possible. That’s a tactic the COL is already using and have announced it in the House.
  
  Information available within hours can be held up months for delivery. A question may not be sent on for a response until near the end of the allotted time. Then it is possible to say the Dept has not yet been able to give an answer at that date…
  This conduct by the PM elsewhere would be impeachable: it is not consistent with performing her duties of Office.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:40am
  - RF
    
    A corrupt liar…..
    
    It’s time we sought advice from the French on how to organise a revolution.
    
    Maybe it’s time for Madam Guillotine to be dusted off.
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:23am
    - KevOB
      
      But who is to do it? The GG has shown no signs of intervention–it may be that she considers the COL will run its terms and everything squared up next election. That will be too late. I consider we have been defrauded and only told after the election that a full scale assault to install communism was to be launched. The concept then seemed outrageous but the execution is proving disastrous.
      
      The best we can hope for at present is the discovery that the govt have been covering for Sroubek and having resignation forced on them.
      
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      December 12, 2018 1:00pm
- mandk
  
  Bridges could ask Ardern to release what he asked for pre-emptively.
  
  After all, she claims she is running the most open and transparent government ever.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:44am
  - KevOB
    
    He has and Ardern has mentioned the OIA and having to wait till that is dealt with.
    Politics is not part of Prime Minister’s official duties. She is leader of the Executive and and responsible accordingly. Deliberately delaying responses under the OIA is a breach of her duty to her Office. Does she take an oath to that effect or only allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen?
    
    What an imperium we have.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:48am
- septic skeptic
  
  It would appear Cindy is laying the foundation for “plausible deniability” should ILG be shown to have been subject to undue influence. Of course that is at odds with her claims to have reviewed the reasons for and agreed with the original decision, just prior to her invitation to read between the lines. Bet she won’t ask us to do that again! I wonder if she will be forced to claim ILG misled her and Winnie in an effort to distance herself from the fallout.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:56am
  - Longknives
    
    If I was a betting man I reckon ILG will be thrown under the bus to protect Jacinda…
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:13am
    - Huevon
      
      It’s looking like that. Ardern is laying the grounds for plausible deniability.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:34am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Taxinda is the one and only politician who won the CoL the election. They will do *anything* to protect her.
      
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      December 12, 2018 11:23am
  - cmm
    
    I think she’s just trying to spin this along until it gets buried by something else.
    
    Look at the Handley stuff up. That was never resolved. The real story in that is that PriNZess was trying to set up a gig for a mate and all the levers that were pulled to make that happen including, it would seem:
    * An expedited citizenship so he would not have to wait the 5 years us normal plebs have to wait.
    * A fake recruitment process where multiple candidates were rejected but, surprise, PriNZess’ mate gets selected even though he does not seem to be that suited to the job (based on feedback from others in the industry).
    
    So she’s hoping like hell something big will come along and bury Sroubek too. Something that doesn’t have her fingerprints all over it.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:21am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Judging from the calibre of her cabinet, that’s not a forlorn hope!
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:27am
    - Surely Knott
      
      “So she’s hoping like hell something big will come along and bury” the Sroubek issue. – Like Christmas. Delay a few more weeks with the LGOIMA and then hello everyone’s on holiday and no one reading political news.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:45am
  - KevOB
    
    As the matter is potentially criminal the actions of hiding knowledge themselves may become criminal.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:51am
  - freethinker
    
    If she does will both have to explain how having read the report they agreed with Sleeze Gallopaway at the time and what is different to cause a change of mind.
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:10pm
- toby1845
  
  I watched Simon Bridges in action yesterday, and thought he performed at his best. I sensed that he was about to ask the killer question…….and she thought so as well. Looking forwad to more of the same this arvo.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:59am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Bridges was good, but Seymour’s maths question had to be the highlight. Even got full coverage on One news! Twiford is another Labour “silent T”.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ardern’s responses to Bridge’s questioning in Parliament yesterday about the Czech drug smuggler affair were uncharacteristically precise.
  
  Indeed, they were.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20181211_20181211/tab/video?page=7&mode=form
  But with the OIA details to be provided after Parliament has gone into holiday mode, and the MSM are asleep at the wheel, the PM will be hoping that little attention will be paid to who knows Sroubek.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:11am
  - Komata
    
    Maggy @11:11
    
    Thank you.
    
    Question 3 was interesting to watch although I was singularly unimpressed by Mr Mallard’s actions during that time; definitely covering for the SLG.
    
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    December 12, 2018 1:45pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    SLG was very careful to say she was unaware who made representations on Sroubek’s behalf to Immigration NZ.
    Then having said she didn’t know who did, she categorically claimed that no MP did. Really?
    I want to know if any member, or person known to a member, approached the Minister of Immigration on Sroubek’s behalf.
    That is a question the Prime Minister seems to be very careful not to answer.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:17pm
Poppa

I look forward to more questions in the house today about our friendly drug importing criminal.

I am sure that National know a lot more about this than they have exposed so far, so they need to keep hammering away until something gives.

The smell around this is very much like a rotten fish head
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December 12, 2018 8:33am
- Longknives
  
  Note Bridges keeps returning to the ‘Do any Labour people know Sroubek personally?’ line of questioning.
  Crown Prosecutors only ask questions they already know the answer to..
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:09am
- brett68
  
  If they do, why are they painfully dragging it all out?
  
  Personally I think they’ve got nothing concrete and are just trying to trip Ardern up in hope that something else comes out.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:52am
secondcumming

I overheard my missus last night telling her mother “that I was absolutely useless when it came to fixing our electric appliances”

Well I can tell you now, she’s in for a fucking shock.
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December 12, 2018 8:37am
Jack5

The diversity dividends continue in London:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6484537/Police-officer-fought-life-grabbed-samurai-sword-blade.html
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December 12, 2018 8:37am
- Longknives
  
  And to think Auckland Cops are being sent to compulsory training days at local Mosques- Learning how not to ‘offend’ Islam!
  
  They should be bloody training and preparing for all the ‘Allahu Snackbar’ attacks that will be coming after Jacinda opens our borders to impress the UN…
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:07am
  - kiwitoffee
    
    Mt Roskill used to be known as ‘the Bible Belt’ of Auckland.
    I would prefer to see our Police escorting Muslim immigrants to English and Civics classes.
    But, no doubt, Phil bin Goff al Clevedon would consider this an infringement of their rights and not a good idea.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:20am
    - Longknives
      
      ‘If we grovel to and appease them then maybe they won’t hurt us’
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/manukau-courier/104556738/a-new-tradition-police-host-its-first-iftar-dinner-as-part-of-ramadan
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:28am
      - kiwitoffee
        
        Disturbing. Very disturbing.
        They have no idea of where this will end.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      There is already plenty of that kind of classes and many Muslims speak English coming as they do from South Asia or South Africa etc.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:56am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Stuffy the Rape-Denier. All for ideologies that support FGM, marry off children, beat wives, allow taking sex-slaves in battle and murder homosexuals.
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Longknives, merely good sense by the police building bridges to the community and overcoming Islamaphobia and paranoia that features among many KB posters!
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:53am
    - kiwitoffee
      
      To resist the slide towards Sharia law and the normalisation of Islamic practices in New Zealand is not a phobia.
      It’s common sense, and a defence of liberal, democratic society.
      (And an expression of concern to protect the future of my daughter).
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:12am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Early concerns about islam on youtube were actually expressed by the Left, wanting to defend liberal values. Pointed out by Styx here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw2_l-PSiOo: His point about this starts about 2 mins: “since when is criticising islam a form of bigotry?” and “people criticise other religions all the time”.
        
        Now, inexplicably, Leftards are licking the boots of islamism and calling any true liberal who wants to defend equal rights for women and gays ‘islamophobic’ and even ‘racist’.
        
        All religions are nothing but *ideologies*, all of which should be analysed and openly debated.
        
        True liberals are people who want the government to keep out of our lives, bedrooms and pockets, sticking to its basic functions.
        
        True liberals have very few places left they can state this PoV.
        
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        December 12, 2018 12:00pm
    - KevOB
      
      How do we tone down Muslims who wont accept anything less than killing Christians?
      Living together requires peace on both sides.
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:56am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        That is why Geert Wilders says: ‘Don’t tolerate the intolerant’.
        
        Geert Wilders just wants the Netherlands to keep its liberal values. Sometimes this has to mean not letting in migrants who subscribe to an ideology that clearly is illiberal.
        
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        December 12, 2018 12:04pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      A Phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear.
      Since pretty much ALL terrorist acts these days are by Muslims, how is it irrational to fear them?
      
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      December 12, 2018 11:14am
    - Swifty
      
      There’s no such thing as Islamophobia.
      
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      December 12, 2018 11:40am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I’d call that a samurai “short sword” since “samurai sword” gives the impression of a much longer blade.
  
  Minor detail. A bit like the media constantly confusing “paraglider” with “hang glider.”
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:52pm
tedbear

srylands, I saw the other day you claimed Kiwibuild’s Stephen Barclay isn’t the CEO, he’s just a manager.
Funny, PM Ardern on the telly referred to Barclay as being Kiwibuild’s CEO.
She wouldn’t lie or be wrong would she?
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December 12, 2018 8:44am
- peterwn
  
  The terminology is confusing. Normally a CEO is the top employee in an organisation and reports to a governance body (eg Board, City Council etc). It is a bit confusing in Government as CEO’s of sub-departments can end up reporting both to the parent CEO and the responsible Minister.
  In this case Kiwibuild was established under MBIE and then transferred to the newly formed HUD (Phil Twyford being AFAIK the responsible Minister for both). My theory is the Kiwibuild CEO had a bust-up with the HUD CEO in the past and the Kiwibuild CEO has refused to have anything to do with the HUD CEO. It could be too that the HUD CEO wants to micromanage the Kiwibuild – Minister relationship meaning a loss in status for the Kiwibuild CEO. So arguably it is a matter for the HUD CEO and the State Services Commissioner to sort out, hence Phil Twyford and Jacinda Arden are right to keep out of it.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:11am
  - cmm
    
    “Hence Phil Twyford and Jacinda Arden are right to keep out of it.”
    
    There’s a difference between keeping out of it (ie. not interfering in the process) and deliberately not being up to speed with what is happening and keeping informed.
    
    This has implications for a major policy (Kiwibuild). Twyford is the responsible minister. It is his job (which we pay him for) to keep informed, even if he is not wading in.
    
    If a pissing match is going on at the CEO level Twyford should know all the details.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:27am
    - stigie
      
      You mean the SLG should know what is going on with the Karel Sroubek fiasco but obfuscating around giving answers to simple questions..?
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:44am
  - KevOB
    
    Good explanation. However I believe I have heard Twford in the House awhile ago refer to the disappeared as the CEO of KiwiBuild. It may have been a political statement not a fact nor distinguishable by Twyford at his cookie level.
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:00am
- srylands
  
  I guess anyone can refer to anyone as a chief executive. However public service chief executives are defined in the State Sector Act. He is not one. To be clear, his employer is the CE of the Ministry for Housing and Urban Development
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:38am
  - insider
    
    You’re forgetting the departmental agency model. These are little bubbles in a ministry that operate independently and have their own CEO who reports to a minister, who may not have responsibility of the host ministry. CERA was an example when hosted by dpmc.
    
    It can be done to ensure govt retains control of the purse strings and policy agenda, is quick to establish as it operates within an existing ministry’s legislative framework, and more efficient than setting up a separate agency.
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:46am
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      Yes I know. But Kiwibuild is not one.
      
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      December 12, 2018 12:41pm
hullkiwi

From the how to make stats look significant file….not

Do you know 92 women who were living in violent relationships have been murdered in NZ, in the past……7 years ie for those of us who can count – circa 13 per year.

So, what is being done about this situation?

Well some busy body charity group is telling the media that they need the government to throw money their way. This money will then be used for anti violence training programmes, and we are told this will cut the murder rate.

Where is their proof?

Why are the frightened to speak the truth? The police and the justice system know who these violent morons are, it is time they are taken out of circulation the first time they offend and are prevented from harming anybody until they can demonstrate that they deserve to live in society freely.

As for the do gooders groups it is time these waste of space/leeches are told the money store is closed and to go consume themselves in their own echo chamber.
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December 12, 2018 8:52am
- kiwitoffee
  
  There’s an organisation called Shakti desperately needing investigation.
  When the Serious Fraud Office get back from their latest multiculturalism training course, perhaps they could have a look at Shakti and the people behind it.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:34am
  - srylands
    
    Why? What is the presenting problem?
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:39am
    - kiwitoffee
      
      Where does the money go?
      And, recruitment and employment practices.
      For starters.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:50am
      - sam green
        
        Seriously. What is your exact problem with Shakti? You hint at some kind of corruption – spell it out – you are obviously “in the know”.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:03pm
    - Jack5
      
      There are about nine charities registered in NZ incorporating the word “Shakti” plus a group registration for “the Shakti group”.
      
      Here’s a paragraph from its web site:
      
      “Shakti’s forte has been in providing culturally-sensitive services, by ethnic people for ethnic people of Asian, African and Middle Eastern origins.”
      
      Here’s Shakti describing itself in more detail:
      
      https://shakti-international.org/about/
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:53am
      - kiwitoffee
        
        Thanks. I did have a read of that some time ago.
        I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.
        
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        December 12, 2018 10:01am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        How do you culturally sensitively live by sura 4:34 – people who want to live by this should not be in NZ:
        
        “Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.”
        
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        December 12, 2018 12:09pm
      - sam green
        
        Why kiwitoffee?
        
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        December 12, 2018 12:55pm
- GoVege
  
  You’ve got a point there HK.
  I used to know a woman who ran one of these outfits and she would constantly bleat about the need for “more funding”.
  Yet the only solution she and her mates offered for DV was to tell the victim to leave.
  And they were very nasty to anybody who didn’t agree with them.
  All they basically did was arrange talkfests.
  The anger management groups were useless too.
  The money is better invested in funding the police.
  The only thing that stops most bullies is the intervention of a force stronger than themselves.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:03am
  - hullkiwi
    
    GoVege I agree. Last night, we were being told how many of us engage in domestic violence. We live in a small community, on the basis of what we were told last night, some of our close friends are beating their wives and/or children. I know it is not so. But because they play with the stats & generalise the numbers you are fed these rubbish statements as though they are fact.
    
    The police need:
    1. The resources;
    2. The balls; and
    3. Support from the politicians & the courts in order to deal with this issue as you say with force.
    
    As for talkfests…….
    
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    December 12, 2018 1:11pm
  - sam green
    
    Stop telling porkies go vege.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:26pm
    - realityczech
      
      Spam, shut up and learn. Or go back to pulling the wings off fly’s in your mum’s spare room.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:34pm
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        December 12, 2018 10:11pm
sooty

Do you think that “Sir Michael Cullen has joined the $2million dollar CEO club with his pension and all the dollars he’s raking in off the Labour goverment. I think he’s one of those “Rich Pricks” he despises so much!
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December 12, 2018 8:53am
- mandk
  
  No, he’s a “Smug Rich Prick”
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:53am
  - lifesgood
    
    A whining, nasal, hypocritical, pommy, smug, rich prick.
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:17am
    - Tricati
      
      So eloquently put
      
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      December 12, 2018 1:18pm
      - stigie
        
        No other way to put it from the pragmatic people here on Kiwiblog..?
        
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        December 12, 2018 1:31pm
Jack5

The barbaric live-animal trade from Australia to the Middle East highlighted in the Guardian.

I don’t think NZ mass exports animals. Was the last the big sheep deal for Saudi Arabia or Mexico after Murray McCully’s Saudi deal. Sleep easy, Murray.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/11/we-could-smell-the-boat-approaching-grim-truth-animal-exports-israel-haifa
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December 12, 2018 9:03am
Manolo

Another lone wolf strike?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/256025

Reports of a shooting carried out in the Christmas market in the city of Strasbourg, France.

According to reports, there is one dead and three wounded, one of whom is a tourist who was shot in the stomach.

Police are in the area. Security officials have cordoned off the area and trains have been stopped,
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December 12, 2018 9:03am
- Longknives
  
  He is mentally ill.
  Nothing to do with Islam…*Cough
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:11am
- simpleton1
  
  A lone wolf?
  A Known wolf !
  
  Police said the suspected gunman was known to authorities and was on France’s “S” watchlist of suspected extremists.
  Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/two-dead-11-injured-in-strasbourg-christmas-market-shooting-11022798
  
  Another terror attack, that follows an ideology.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:38am
Harkman

My pensioner mother was telling me about a woman who lives down the road from her, that attends her community bingo events. Mum informed me of the women’s lifestyle/arrangements. Initially I was “she can do what she likes with her money she’s retired.” Oh no she isn’t, 60, she is married, but living apart, he lives in a state house with his adult children, none of which work, all drug addicts. She has her own flat, she has mastered getting everything for free, invalids benefit perhaps, free doctors, free this, housing accomodation, still bikes to the local gym and spends the rest of the day gambling at the Casino or at bingo comps around the town. Apparently if you can’t take her somewhere midweek, out of the blue, she turns and gets really nasty. Praise the welfare state.
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December 12, 2018 9:16am
Keeping Stock

Oh dear; Shane Jones has been splashing the money around despite warnings not to:

Tova O’Brien
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@TovaOBrien

Exclusive: Shane Jones was warned by his officials not to spend millions in Gisborne, officials even talked of ‘double/triple dipping’, but the champion of the regions pushed ahead regardless

Here’s the link to the story – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/treasury-concerned-over-shane-jones-spending-but-he-signed-off-millions-anyway.html

And here’s the kicker line:

Emails between Treasury officials raise concerns of “double or even triple dipping going on”.

You could have knocked me down with a feather when I read about this. Never, not even for a moment, did I expect Shane Jones to be involved with anything dodgy [sarcasm ends]
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December 12, 2018 9:21am
- Poppa
  
  This is of course just the first one. There will be more I am sure of that.
  
  Jones is an arrogant prat so won’t listen to advice because he knows best.
  
  I wonder what the connection is between Mr Jones & this outfit. My guess is, there will be one
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now, now Keeping Stock…
  
  $6M of that Monies is going to flash up my ~~backyard~~ the entrance to my driveway on Titirangi Maunga (Kaiti Hill)
  
  I’m just a bit worried that most of the loot has trickled out of Gizzy, already…. but you never know, there might be some left-overs for the folks who work here.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:51am
lastmanstanding

So now some of us know the name ethnicity and family background of the Piece of Shit who murdered Grace Millane. And no surprise it fits the profile of most young killers.

What amuses me is the Pollies and Judiciary getting their tits in a tangle about name suppression. Havent they heard of the INTERNET. Time the ass of a law was changed to bring it into the 21st Century and out of the 19th Century.

Stuff the old quaint legal traditions. If Im on the jury convicting sorry trying the accused I want to know their past behavior as that will be a predictor of their current and future behaviour.
If the legal fraternity want to be treated with any respect then they are the pollies will start treating us with respect and not like little children.
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December 12, 2018 9:26am
- septic skeptic
  
  I guess you have simultaneously got out of jury duty and provided further justification for name suppression, all in one post.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:36am
- peterwn
  
  Parliament has enshrined the relevant processes in the law. An accused is allowed under law to say he or she will appeal a decision not to grant name suppression. The judge then has no option but to grant interim name suppression for 20 working days to allow a formal appeal to be made. So the Police and Judiciary are not to blame – they are merely following the processes laid down by law. Same goes for the accused’s lawyer. He or she needs to advise the accused about name suppression then do as the client instructs.
  The lawyer would also point out the advantages of an early ‘guilty’ appeal and of implications regarding insanity.
  The other issue is Police investigations are continuing and the quality of the Police case would be a big influencing factor in whether an early guilty plea is forthcoming.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:51am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Thank you for confirming that the law truly is an ass as are those who make it. Out of touch with the citizens.
    
    Exhibit. The Anti Smacking Law. 90% of citizens overruled by their employees.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:58am
    - peterwn
      
      I think the 20 days could be reduced to three days – that should be long enough to prepare papers, then the Crown would have another three days to respond then a High Court Judge can consider it ‘on the papers’ (ie no hearing) in another few days. The law could also be clarified to set the mis-trial hurdle higher so that an accused cannot argue that potential jurors could be influenced by knowing the identity of the accused or associated background. It seems to me that the attitude is that jurors should be wrapped in cotton wool and cannot be trusted to abide by instructions not to let things they happen to learn from outside court influence their decisions. Jurors should be treated with more respect than that.
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:23am
      - rangitoto
        
        I don’t see any need for name suppression under any circumstances. Justice should be all out in the open.
        
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        December 12, 2018 10:30am
      - KevOB
        
        If the PM had not grandstanded the UK papers would not have been so excited. They gave backgrounders. She also stirred up the female hornets nest.
        
        Doing an appeal as you suggest on the papers is reasonable but both parties need time at this stage. I see little harm, if any, done by the usual remand. The suspect is in custody and he is still only a suspect.
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:33am
- stephieboy
  
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  lastmanstanding, your fervent hope and prayer that the offender is a “Murri” etc has been realised to stir up your pet fears and hates?
  
  “Exhibit. The Anti Smacking Law. 90% of citizens overruled by their employees”
  
  What have you done to try and change that?
  
  Drone on..
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:08am
big bruv

I’ve been a Telecom/Spark client for over twenty years, today I’m dumping Spark in favour of Vodafone despite having no issues at all with the service or products provided by Spark.
I’m dumping Spark because I will not support a company that uses a sleaze bag like Gayford to promote its products and services.
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December 12, 2018 9:28am
- graham
  
  Hope you let them know WHY you’re dumping them?
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:40am
  - stephieboy
    
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    As if Spark cares!
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:46am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      big bruv is far from the only person ditching Spark stephie. And bloody good on him.
      
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      December 12, 2018 11:06am
      - lifesgood
        
        I’ve ditched them for slingshot. All up and running.
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:20am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Dumbest statement yet…..,
      it is 10 times harder to regain a lost customer than to get a new one or retain a customer.
      Limited market multiple choices.
      Best keep the this saying in mind.
      “If you don’t take care of your customers, someone else will.”
      
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      December 12, 2018 11:10am
- stephieboy
  
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  big bruv , what other pointless trivia do you have for us?
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:41am
  - Longknives
    
    St Luke’s Mall has excellent CCTV.
    There’s some ‘Trivia’ for ya…
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:52am
- igm
  
  BB: This is a bloody disgrace, he using the unelected harridan PM as a way to sleeze a bit of money. I do not know who is the worse of the two, but they sure are scum.
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:08am
- Jules99
  
  By all means ditch them but I wouldn’t go to Vodafone – once a customer always a customer even after you cancel your account they still come after you for money. Useless back office support.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:13pm
- peterwn
  
  I use Spark for mobile and Vodafone for landline, fibreX and TV. I find Vodafone a dozy outfit to deal with and am about to weigh in for a fight with Spark over other things (I purchased three $20 2G data packs which seem to have just gone down the gurgler) and meanwhile was paying $0.30 per meg over limit.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:04pm
Fletch

Candlelit vigils will be held up and down the country for murdered tourist Grace Millane. I feel bad that she was murdered, of course, and for her family, but isn’t this just a bit OTT? Anybody would think a celebrity or political leader of note had passed away…. Why make such a big deal of it in this particular case?
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December 12, 2018 9:33am
- stephieboy
  
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  Fletch, because not many visitors to NZ are murdered by strangers.
  
  As the saying goes” one death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths is a statistic “
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:44am
  - cmm
    
    I’d hardly think quoting Comrade Stalin is a good way to bolster any case you’re trying to make.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:00am
  - fernglas
    
    Not many New Zealanders are murdered by strangers, either. I would be more sympathetic to these vigils if I thought the people turning up to them were prepared to put the same amount of energy into sorting out the appalling violence that New Zealanders perpetrate upon each other every day.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:53am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes, Stuffy is quite OK about girls and women being ‘groomed’ by UK rape-gangs and sexually assaulted in Germany.
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:17pm
  - Fletch
    
    stephie, one could use the same argument for abortion.
    
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    December 12, 2018 2:06pm
- KevOB
  
  Feelingz stirred up by ~~Belinda~~ HitWomanTaxCinda.
  
  Keep it up–our unis will need to advertise for male students too.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:40am
- namron
  
  Quite agree Fletch.
  Why is there not this fuss around all of the other
  presumed murderers and their victims?
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:49am
- kowtow
  
  The virtue signallers would be better off writing to their MP or minister and demanding meaningful sentencing for violent crime.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:27pm
graham

Julie-Anne Genter talking to Mike Hosking this morning about cycle lanes, and why we need to keep putting them in.

WHY THE HELL does she feel the need to make EVERY F*CKING INTERVIEW about women? Today she stated that cycle lanes are PARTICULARLY important for “women and children” because if they go out on the road they feel like they are going to be killed.

So do the rest of us, JAG! Everyone who rides a bike in Auckland knows that they take their life in their hands. EVERYONE. Including white males. We know you hate us, but once in a while could you at least acknowledge that we exist, and we get hurt just as badly if a car runs over us?
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December 12, 2018 9:39am
- stephieboy
  
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  graham, garbage in garbage out!
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:45am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Have another cracker galah.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:03am
  - graham
    
    Err … I literally have NO IDEA what point you are trying to make, stephieboy
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:21am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes stupiegirl, you’re correct about JAG. JAG has been fed/consumed a lot of garbage over the years. Consequently, because of those who vote Green, they then insist that we must suffer her spouting it back at us (& even worse, we are paying for it!)
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:39am
  - MrTips
    
    Bloody hell Stephie. You must have coccyx-shock syndrome by now from all the arse kickings you’ve got this am
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:37pm
- brett68
  
  Greens have morphed into the Vagina party, no different to the Maori party always going on about Maori.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:57am
- Poppa
  
  I won’t say what I really think of Genter because I would get banned
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sometimes a little venting is worth the consequences.
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:39pm
- kevn
  
  @graham… JAG is like a shitty broken record.
  Comparing Auckland/NZ to the (flat) Netherlands.
  Not a thought about Auckland ‘weather’. Rains a lot in Auckland.
  Biking to work suits a few, recreational cycling suits quite a few.
  Try a outer to city commute JAG.
  Get real.
  A Parking Consultant calling the shots FFS.
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:03am
  - lifesgood
    
    Genter has a partner! Incredible! What sort of wimpy man puts up with her shit?
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:23am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I live in Whangaparaoa, I work in Devonport. Cycling to work? I don’t fucking think so!
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:23am
  - hullkiwi
    
    When it comes to JAG, I’m mindful of a story a friend of mine told me about her.
    
    Some years ago, she was invited to speak to the Albany Rotary Club. The guts of her speach was how good PT was & she boasted she came to the meeting by bus. One soul in the audience then pointed out to her helpfully that it would be some accomplishment for her to get home to Mt Eden, as the last bus from Albany to the city departed 1hr 30 min earlier. At the end of the evening, Miss (Humble Pie) JAG, duley had to get a ride by car with someone heading back to Takapuna in order to get back to Mt Eden!
    
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    December 12, 2018 1:22pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Agenda 21 specifically says that their goals must focus on Women in particular. Women are specifically named in everything from land tenure, to infrastructure, to afforestation. A couple of examples from UN chapter on Human Settlement. “Generating employment for the urban poor, particularly women, through the provision, improvement and maintenance of urban infrastructure and services and the support of economic activities in the informal sector, such as repairs, recycling, services and small commerce; “, or “:Institutionalize a participatory approach to sustainable urban development, based on a continuous dialogue between the actors involved in urban development (the public sector, private sector and communities), especially women and indigenous people; “
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:07am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Genter tried to compare New Zealand with the Netherlands in terms of participation in cycling. I wonder if she’s ever tried to ride up Queen Street or the Ngauranga Gorge.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:08am
  - Manolo
    
    Mrs Genter is completely bonkers!
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:23am
- ldypen
  
  Did she have a white Father or was she a test tube baby, if she does have a father and he is white he’s probably a little older than her too.. so by her logic her Father is a drain on society and is of no use!
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:31am
- KevOB
  
  Is JAG that insecure? How do you make a Cabinet Minister with that material?
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:44am
- Jules99
  
  Quite worrying to see women presented as weak and feeble these days.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:11pm
igm

So now those of us with late model vehicles are being hit with higher registration fees to accommodate those wit older cars.
Do not know why, the scum this CoL are once again greasing to do not register, nor wof their cars.
Come on Kiwis, we cannot let these bastards continue with this pandering to effen losers shit.
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December 12, 2018 10:11am
secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Why has *Barry Soper* suddenly become a Chinese shill?
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December 12, 2018 10:38am
- sooty
  
  Because he’s like Whiney, once he’s bought he stay’s bought!
  
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  December 12, 2018 1:37pm
  - LTA1955
    
    Soper is a traitorous bastard, a real Ratso Rizzo who could do with a handsome dose of Rodenticide, or a visit from a squad of HI-VIS voters with vermin extermination permits
    
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    December 12, 2018 3:14pm
Manolo

Even our resident Muslim will be horrified: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46530265

Two people have been killed and 10 others wounded in a shooting in the eastern French city of Strasbourg, officials say.

Police said the gunman had been identified and was being pursued. He had been injured in an exchange of gunfire with a soldier, they said.

The shooting is said to have happened close to a Christmas market in one of the central squares, Place Kléber.
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December 12, 2018 10:40am
- simpleton1
  
  Some ideologies, based on terror have been looking to have a go for centuries.
  
  Even the beginning of this century in Strasbourg, before 9/11 2001.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasbourg_Cathedral_bombing_plot
  December 2000 at that Christmas.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:58am
- simpleton1
  
  On a watch list and had grenades at terrorist’s home.
  Could it have been that he had not intended to be terrorist as it seem he was very forgetful, or stressed out, in leaving behind some of the tools of his trade, or perhaps he thought it was overkill.
  
  “There are so many people that are involved around the edges of this sort of terrorism if this is what it turns out to be, that you can’t keep any sort of meaningful surveillance on them. Even just monitoring the use of communications and social media would be too much,” Peter Kirkham, former London police inspector, told RT. https://www.rt.com/news/446221-strasbourg-shooting-suspect-terrorism/
  
  The police were on the way to arrest him for robbery homicide, any way.
  
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  December 12, 2018 1:19pm
- simpleton1
  
  Identity photo.
  https://okdiario.com/internacional/2018/12/11/registrado-nuevo-tiroteo-barrio-estrasburgo-donde-policia-busca-atacante-3457344
  
  Shows a zebibah, just where a unicorn’s horn would grow, and so a great sign of an observant, pious, devout faithful, dutiful, dedicated, genuine, loyal, sincere, etc., believer.
  
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  December 12, 2018 1:32pm
- kowtow
  
  What kind of “nation” has to have armed soldiers guarding religious , cultural, tourist etc gathering places ?
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:24pm
The Heat

The circle of ignorance continues.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/exclusive-letting-fee-ban-could-make-renting-more-expensive.html

“”They’re just trying to make money from us,” says Ms Dawson. “It’s not a cost that needs to be part of renting.”

Yes, yes it is. It is a cost. The tenant pays the cost. That is what rent is – the sum of the costs. Turning over a property costs time and compliance.

“”Still, the Prime Minister was saying she hoped rents would stay the same.”I would hope that we wouldn’t see that increase, given that it’s a service directly for the landlord,” she said earlier this year.”

WTF, Cindy?

The service of letting “to the landlord” is no different from insurance being a service, and that is built in to the rent, too. As are rates. They are all costs.

The blind leading the blind.

Do any socialists understand what a cost is?
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December 12, 2018 10:45am
- Swifty
  
  I remember my old man and I having the same sorts of conversations in the 80s.
  
  That’s the problem with humanity – we have to keep learning the same lessons over and over in line with each new generation.
  
  Cindy’s comment is stunning in its naivety. But that’s what you get when you elect a PM who’s never had a real job – and who is demonstrably unqualified for the role.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:10am
  - KevOB
    
    Even worse Ardern believes solely in her own ideology and opinions.
    No wonder communist states self destruct: there can never be equality–the Arderns and mates take over, enrich themselves and the others limp along to their orders.
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:50am
  - The Heat
    
    It staggers me how utterly ignorant her comment is – or is she just pretending? Either way, it’s bad.
    
    Businesses don’t pay costs. Customers do. If a business has customers that don’t pay all the costs, then it soon ceases to be a business at all.
    
    Has no one sat Cindy down and explained this?
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:46pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      But, but… kindness!
      Cindy really is that shallow. ?
      
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      December 12, 2018 2:03pm
  - Jules99
    
    Ronald Regan: Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
    Ditto with socialism I guess.
    
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    December 12, 2018 2:08pm
- wiseowl
  
  Heat
  Do your tenants get a subsidy from me, the taxpayer which means you get your property subsidised ?
  That is a cost to me and other taxpayers.
  I object to rental subsidies.
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:19pm
  - The Heat
    
    I don’t have any tenants. I used to be a landlord, but no longer. But the answer to your question is no, there were no taxpayer subsidies as it was an upmarket property.
    
    I also object to rental subsidies. It only serves to distort the market. The real problem is on the supply side, which rental subsidies don’t solve.
    
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    December 12, 2018 1:19pm
kevn

@Heat… So, JA ‘hopes’.
Well that will work won’t it? nah
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December 12, 2018 10:56am
mandk

COYS!
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December 12, 2018 10:56am
Stars And Stripes

Raetihi Christmas parade has a Māori Santa – and no one bats an eye
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12175366
“A week after Nelson paraded a Māori Santa – leading to outcry and an apology from the organisers – one small North Island town did the same.
This time, to outpourings of acceptance and joy.
What’s more, not only was the star attraction at the Raetihi Christmas Carnival a Māori but also a woman”

This article is such a misrepresentation of the truth that you have to wonder what the agenda is here.
It goes on about how people were so upset by a Maori Santa Claus in Nelson implying of course that they were all intolerant racists but then says Raetihi “did the same” and everything was fine and even backed it up with quotes from the locals saying how accepting they all are blah blah blah.
However they did not actually “do the same” as they dressed their Maori Santa up in a red suit and white beard instead of a Maori cloak like Nelson but of course this had absolutely no bearing on the situation and was a trivial little detail of no consequence as this is all about racism didn’t you know.
Shitty little piece of journalism.
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December 12, 2018 11:08am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Leftards can’t tell the difference between race and culture.
  
  Most people here didn’t care what race the guy was, they just wanted their kids to see a jolly, friendly chap in a traditional Santa outfit.
  
  Leftards think that means we wanted him to be Caucasian.
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:29pm
graham

NZ Herald once again proves adept at TOTALLY missing the point.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12175366

“Raetihi Christmas parade has a Maori Santa – and no one bats an eye”

A week after Nelson paraded a Maori Santa – leading to outcry and an apology from the organisers – one small North Island town did the same.

This time, to outpourings of acceptance and joy.

What’s more, not only was the star attraction at the Raetihi Christmas Carnival a Maori but also a woman.

Oh noes! Obviously Nelson is full of racist w@nkers, but Raetihi is so luvverly and accepting.

Except, there is a HUGE difference between the Nelson Santa and the Raetihi Santa. A MASSIVE difference, and one the Herald seems to be deliberately ignoring. It must be deliberate, because it’s just so bleeding obvious. In fact, the Herald actually nails it in their next sentence, even if they don’t realise it.

Aroha Williams donned the red suit and white beard to thrill the teeming crowd in the Ruapehu district town which just scrapes over the headcount of 1000.

And there’s the key. I don’t think people in Nelson were particularly worried that Santa was played by a Maori. It was the fact that he DIDN’T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE Santa!

Take a look at the Raetihi Santa. Red suit, white beard, looks like a traditional Santa. Which is what everyone – particularly children – want to see at a SANTA parade.

The guy in Nelson didn’t make any effort to look like Santa. He wore a cloak, carried a taiaha (why? to beat up the reindeer??), had no red suit, no hat, no beard.

Kids come to a Santa parade to see Santa.
Nelson’s parade had no Santa.

How can something that is so obvious that a 3-year-old child could explain it, be so hard for the Herald to work out?

** EDIT ** – Sorry Stars And Stripes, I see you got in just before I did
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December 12, 2018 11:23am
RW Capitalist

Story to tell.
Car broke down
Got to Hawera, hired a car, got my tools home etc
Took the car back to Hawera
Miss read timetable to catch 4-30pm bus home to Wgtn.
NO bus, only travels 4-30pm on Friday’s
NO other way out of Hawera till 9-30am following day.
Hitchhiked as far as Bulls and caught the 6pm bus to wellington station
No trains to hutt valley, only buses (NO valley flier anymore.)
2 things
1. They (CoL) want us to catch the bus?????????
What fucking bus?
2. Thank you to the kind soles who picked me up.
a. 2 Maori ladies going to the Patea Butcher
b. A guy in a Mercedes with his parents dropped me in Wanganui, then after shopping, picked be up again and took me to Bulls.
Moral of the story
People can and will overcome an immoral, dishonest and incompetent government.
If the attitude and kindness of these people, is any indication.
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December 12, 2018 11:27am
cas

Anyone know when Chris Finlayson is doing his valedictory? i thought I read 18 December but doesn’t Parliament finish this week? It will be worth watching.
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December 12, 2018 11:54am
- alwyn
  
  The House was originally going to rise this week.
  Back in early November they extended the sittings to include the 18th and 19th of December.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20181108_20181108_20
  From an aside during question time a little while ago from Trevor to Chris I believe his valedictory is to be on the 18th.
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:28pm
  - cas
    
    Thanks alwyn. I shall diary it
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:56pm
Morrissey

The Clobbering Machine strikes again:
Censorship is alive and malignant over at The Standard

The iron censorship regime imposed at the Stranded by the late unlamented “Weka” almost killed the site. This writer, i.e., moi, was by no means the only contributor there to find himself constantly scolded, warned and lectured for the most ridiculous infractions of some imaginary and unpredictable code that she (“Weka”) carried around in her fevered head. It was the blogger’s equivalent of walking blindfolded on the edge of a huge cliff, with some pecksniffian dolt—i.e., “Weka”—constantly snarling at him and prodding him with a sword. The upshot of her absurd maladministration was that the “Open Mike” thread—the Stranded’s equivalent of Kiwiblog’s General Debate—sank from several hundreds to an average of a couple of dozen posts a day.

Eventually “Weka” was fired, or else she perished in a conflagration of her own impossibly punctilious self-righteousness.

That ridiculous and destructive tendency to censor, constrict, and inhibit did not die with Weka, however. The revolving door that ushered her out also ushered back in the aggressive and abusive Labour Party apparatchik Te Reo Putake, AKA “Squealer”.

Te Reo Putake has come up with an intriguing new method of dealing with anyone vulgar and misguided enough to hold a contrary view to his own. Arguing a point and defending one’s corner, politely but robustly, is no longer permissible, apparently. What counts is whether or not you are stringently, at every moment, acting in a manner acceptable to such virtuous souls as Te Reo Putake and…. well, “Weka.” According to this line of “thinking”, the mere act of criticising something either said or written by a woman is an act of misogyny.

Sir Galahad Putake has banned this writer, i.e., moi, for one week for “pointless and unwarranted attacks on women in the media.” That’s after I dared to call Trevor Moloch’s squeeze Jane Clifton “vacuousness personified.”

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-12-12-2018/#comment-1561312

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/banned-for-week-by-sir-galahad-putake.html

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-clobbering-machine-aug-4-2013.html
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December 12, 2018 12:01pm
- Longknives
  
  Fallen out with those ‘tolerant’ souls over at The Standard again Morrissey?
  Does this mean you will be changing your allegiance and joining us on the Political Right??
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:13pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I value all perspectives, Mr Knives. “I contain multitudes.”
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:24pm
    - realityczech
      
      Come on Mozzie listen to Longknives and be a good bugger.
      
      You might like it 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2018 12:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        Careful of ❗Kearealityczech❗ Morrissey, especially if you have a Jewish grandmother or great-granddad. He’ll add you to his family tree for his cover as a Mossad agent – quick as that.
        
        Bloody good cover he’s built, isn’t it? Who would pick ❗Kearealityczech❗ for an Israeli agent parked sleeping in NZ?
        
        I suspect Kearealityczech’s crazier Kiwiblog posts are coded messages for Mossad HQ. ?
        
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        December 12, 2018 1:54pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks for the heads up, Jack!
        
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        December 12, 2018 2:05pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie – stop trying to get the gentiles to do your dirty work.
        
        Though Mozzie might be a huge fan of the Jews who invented Soviet style communism, he is not a fan you shooting kids etc in the Gaza strip.
        
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        December 12, 2018 5:37pm
- fernglas
  
  Welcome to the new world, mozza. In addition to being male, can I assume that you are white and over 45? If so, everything you say is ipso facto wrong.
  Any ideology that cannot tolerate criticism is too weak to survive. Hang in there.
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:19pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    If only that were true, fernglass. Some are doing very well by killing, imprisoning or censoring critics.
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:33pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I don’t think those twits have an ideology, per se. They don’t think systematically or in enough depth. What they do have is an exceptionally fussy set of unwritten and random standards that are impossible to attain, and imposed on whoever they wish to silence. This new tactic of Te Reo’s of calling my comments “misogynistic” is absurd, and used only against me at the moment.
    
    But then again, he’s a dedicated reiterator of absurd and brutal lies….
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/julian-assange-journeys-end/
    
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    December 12, 2018 12:37pm
    - realityczech
      
      “right wing anti democracy activist Julian Assange”
      
      LOL 🙂
      
      He was the darling of the far left when he revealed the corruption of the right. Look how that changed when he revealed what a corrupt warmonger Hillary and Obama are.
      
      Mozzie, you are a moral and intellectual cripple.
      
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      December 12, 2018 12:42pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Sorry? Come again, Czech.
        
        I have never called Assange anything other than a democratic hero and a brave journalist. You’re ascribing, wrongly, to me the words of one of the faux-liberals who, taking the lead of Obomber and his cronies, have hounded and traduced Assange and other journalists who expose their crimes.
        
        Once again: I SUPPORT Julian Assange, and I despise the fools who willingly repeat the black propaganda of the British and U.S. regimes.
        
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        December 12, 2018 12:50pm
      - realityczech
        
        “the words of one of the faux-liberals who, taking the lead of Obomber and his cronies, have hounded and traduced Assange and other journalists who expose their crimes.”
        
        Mozzie – a sane person has hacked your account ❗
        
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        December 12, 2018 5:38pm
  - jcuk
    
    Maybe Fernglas but my experience of The Standard is I am yet to be banned these dozen years or more and I find often threads of considerably higher mert/intelligence than at KB. Subjects treated with good sense and knowledge notably absent from KB.
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:18pm
- Morrissey
  
  What m**herf*cker downvoted this? Get back to the Stranded, Sir Galahad, you POS.
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:52pm
  - starboard
    
    F-Friday coming up, dirtbag .
    
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    December 12, 2018 1:04pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Relax, Morri. We all have to get used to being ‘unfairly’ downticked. Lesson for life, really…
    
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    December 12, 2018 1:20pm
    - sooty
      
      In your case we should be allowed double down ticks. But in stephies case we should be able to reach through the keyboard and tip a bucket of goat turds.
      
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      December 12, 2018 1:32pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Now that was COLD!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUn0n9Yu7Vw
        
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        December 12, 2018 2:09pm
- The Heat
  
  If you go to the Stranded, then you get what you deserve.
  
  I found the only thing they really “debate” is just how far left a viewpoint is – with most incumbents sitting firmly to the left of Lenin. Anyone not subscribing to a far-left view is a “neoliberal”.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:06pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I don’t think you actually know anything about Lenin, my friend. Someone who does, on the other hand, is Noam Chomsky….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxhT9EVj9Kk&t=249s
    
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    December 12, 2018 2:12pm
    - The Heat
      
      “Lenin was a libertarian”
      
      Hahahahahahah….wtf?
      
      Seems he’s engaging in typical left-wing sophistry of claiming any implementation of socialism that didn’t work in the past wasn’t “true” socialism.
      
      That’s what implementation looks like. When theory meets real people. Socialism typically turns into totalitarianism because that’s the nature of power – heavily centralised state power being a requirement to implement socialism.
      
      Venezuela being the latest experiment…
      
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      December 12, 2018 2:32pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        And power always attracts the corruptible.
        
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        December 12, 2018 2:54pm
      - sooty
        
        Why do you think the Comrade is were she is?
        
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        December 12, 2018 6:01pm
  - jcuk
    
    Yes The Heat but while reviled I have never been banned. Illiberal comments simply wash of my back
    🙂
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:22pm
Niz

So some fools want to bring traffic to a crawl in Auckland CBD, citing speed as a cause of many deaths.
What stats do we have that tell us how many people are killed in Auckland CBD by cars travelling at 50kph?
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December 12, 2018 12:13pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Reason one million not to go into Auckland’s CBD.
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:24pm
- Surely Knott
  
  It’s more than just the CBD. It’s even the outer suburbs. Glen Eden for example they are planning to make 30k and add more lights, and remove slip lanes for turning. Yes they’ve changed the speed limit to 35k in London but Glen Eden is not London!
  
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  December 12, 2018 12:44pm
- Komata
  
  Niz
  
  Presumably, these self-same fools are willing to front-up at every business where employees arrive late because of these slower speeds, and aplogise for being the root cause of the employee’s late arrival?
  
  As they might be a tad busy, somehow, I don’t think so…
  
  The theory ‘might’ be good, but it’s the ‘application’ which counts.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:05pm
  - Niz
    
    The theory might be good? They’re trying to tell us that it’s a safety thing – that people are getting killed!
    I’d like to know how many people are getting killed by cars travelling at 50kph in the CBD. Fuck all, I’d suggest. They also try to tell us that you’ll get to your destination faster if you drive slower. The laws of physics apparently don’t apply on the roads.
    
    I think it’s more likely that their theory is fucked.
    
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    December 12, 2018 2:15pm
    - jcuk
      
      It is probably the idiots with cellphones and earplugs not aware of what is going on around them that get killed. 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:24pm
realityczech

Islamophobia and Anti-Semite are fake shaming words designed to avoid scrutiny of certain groups.

Interestingly Arabs are mostly both Muslim and Semitic.
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December 12, 2018 12:39pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yawn, we all know that that ‘Arabs are Semitic’ argument is irrelevant. Anti-semitic has long been accepted to mean anti-jewish.
  
  Just a linguistic fact.
  
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  December 12, 2018 1:22pm
  - realityczech
    
    Is that bad?
    
    Why is one bad and not the other?
    
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    December 12, 2018 5:30pm
KeaRea

Ben Shapiro: “racists should be hunted down and hounded from their places of employment.” (publicly)

Also Ben Shapiro: “Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. This is not a difficult issue. #settlementsrock”
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277

Jennifer Rubin (pre-Trump):
“Paris Climate Deal Devoid of Substance? YUP!”
https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/677303792866631680

Jennifer Rubin (post-Trump)
“The only ones to oppose Paris [Climate Deal] are anti-climate change deniers.”
https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/977171445322276864

There are dozens of these. Shapiro and Rubin are as fake conservative as Weinstein and Peterson. They are hardcore lefties.

Trump has been really disappointing. But he has at least flushed out the fakes. The rot is too strong for anyone to resolve.
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December 12, 2018 1:07pm
- Morrissey
  
  Your post is not just stupid and ignorant, it’s far far worse than that: it’s disgusting, vile, half-witted.
  
  You’re a racist, and like all racists, you’re too stupid to care what I or anyone else thinks. Most people ignore you in real life when you say the kinds of things you have posted here—assuming, of course, that you are foolish enough, crass enough to actually speak such nonsense in public—but you should not imagine that they agree with you in any way. What they think of you and your mad views are pretty much identical to what I think of you.
  
  Are there NO standards of decency or intellect on this blog? You need to sort this out, DPF.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:18pm
Keeping Stock

Question Time could be interesting this afternoon, especially Q9:

Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE to the Minister of Immigration: Other than Karel Sroubek’s lawyer and family members, who made representations on his behalf in respect of the deportation liability that was the subject of the Minister’s decision on 19 September 2018?

Do you reckon Woodhouse works on the principle that you don’t ask a question you don’t already know the answer to?
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December 12, 2018 1:10pm
- Longknives
  
  Bridges and Woodhouse have already asked that question multiple times- Yet Labour simply refuse to give any kind of straight answer!
  
  Curiouser and Curiouser…
  
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  December 12, 2018 1:13pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Cindy replied that “no MP” had made representations. She stated that “any representation by MP’s was of interest”. She is clearly dodging the question by avoiding answering representation by others who are known to MP’s.
    
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    December 12, 2018 2:18pm
- Poppa
  
  The Nats I believe have information, probably from the ex wife.
  
  Keep banging that drum boys it will eventually get an answer, provided Mallard keeps out of it.
  
  I don’t believe it is plausible that this can be a simple case of being incompetent, nobody is that stupid
  
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  December 12, 2018 1:30pm
  - brett68
    
    Why don’t they say “Can the Minister confirm xxxxxx made representation on Karel Sroubek’s behalf on 19th September 2018”
    
    I don’t get the endless fucking around? everyone except the political tragics have moved on, big opportunity lost.
    
    Sort of gone the same way as the Oravida borefest.
    
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    December 12, 2018 1:35pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      I think they already did that a while back. I think M. Woodhouse said did Richie Hardcore and Alex Swney make representations and they got the usual brush off answer. Richie Hardcore campaigned with Jacinda last election and heavily promoted her. And is a kick boxer like Sroubek.
      
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      December 12, 2018 2:46pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Woodhouse asked Lees-Galloway directly this afternoon if Hardcore had made representations on behalf of Sroubek. Lees-Galloway again declined to confirm or deny, and claimed it is not in the public interest to do so.
        
        Well Mr Lees-Galloway, I’m a member of the public, and I’m VERY interested to find out if a close friend of the PM and her partner asked the Minister to intervene on Sroubek’s behalf.
        
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        December 12, 2018 3:03pm
      - Poppa
        
        I am sure that Cindy is wound up in all of this somewhere. It is just a matter of proof rather than guessing
        
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        December 12, 2018 3:11pm
      - brett68
        
        Richie Hardcore campaigned with Jacinda last election and heavily promoted her.
        
        There’s nothing illegal or underhanded about that.
        
        Sort of at the stage now where unless National have proof Ardern told Lees-Galloway to grant Sroubek residency they’re wasting their time and parliaments time.
        
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        December 12, 2018 3:15pm
      - Longknives
        
        What kind of moron call himself ‘Richie Hardcore’?
        Is he an 80s porn star?
        Speaks volumes of the sort of ‘Comrade’ that hangs out with Ardern and Gayford..
        
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        December 12, 2018 5:06pm
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Leighton Smith’s last day on Friday. NZ will be a better place for it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12170498
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December 12, 2018 1:41pm
- lofty
  
  Yes, quite so Sooty, we cant have those who will not toe the party and group think line.
  It should be off to the gulag with him eh!
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:12pm
- MrTips
  
  Hey Mutton, I heard Fraser House has installed zero-gravity porta-potties because the space cadet CoL is going where no-one has ever gone before….
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:13pm
- rangitoto
  
  Don’t worry Mutton. You will be able to read his weekly column at the Herald and listen to his podcasts.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:28pm
- graham
  
  Leighton Smith departs, to be replaced by Kerre McIvor.
  
  An intellectual giant being replaced by a woman with all the intellectual depth and insight of a Kardashian.
  
  Words fail me.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:53pm
  - LTA1955
    
    She will slowly dissolve the 9-12 ratings for ZZZZZZ…..B Hope they sack Neva Ripyourearsoff while they are about it.
    
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    December 12, 2018 3:29pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “An intellectual giant..”??
    
    Now joking aside …!
    
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    December 12, 2018 3:30pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Sorry Graham, but I’ve been very unimpressed with Leighton. He seems to have trouble clearly expressing a train of thought. He might have a few centre/right opinions but is no intellectual giant.
    
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    December 12, 2018 5:52pm
    - graham
      
      Fair enough. I don’t listen to him that frequently nowadays (usually working when he’s on) but over the years I have been very impressed with his insightful analysis of world affairs. YMMV and that’s fine.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:08pm
  - Morrissey
    
    An intellectual giant
    
    Buwahahahahahahahahaha! THAT is the funniest thing posted here this year. Your are now in a special category of the truly deranged. Keep an eye out for your appearance in our upcoming series, graham, you F+%KWIT. It’s called OMG! What did that F*KKWIT just say?
    
    being replaced by a woman with all the intellectual depth and insight of a Kardashian.
    
    That’s not fair to the Kardashians.
    
    We have had some intercourse with both Mr. Smith and Ms. vocIrM, née ohoWmad, in the past. It was not pleasant intercourse….
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/more-correspondence-with-genius-jul-15.html
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/kerre-woodham-was-here-remember-this.html
    
    Words fail me.
    
    Not as much as they fail that stumble-tongued old fool every single show. Ummmm, errrrrr, aaahhhh, ummmmmm….
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:52pm
    - realityczech
      
      Mozzie, do some muck raking on the disgusting bimbo Ardern.
      
      That is what a true lefty would do – holding the corrupt and powerful to account.
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:55pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks, Czech, I’m already on her case. I was deeply distressed to discover she had worked for Tony SetWorldOnFire when she was in the U.K.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I was deeply distressed to discover she had worked for Tony SetWorldOnFire
        
        Doesn’t appear that anyone in the Labour Party care less that she worked for (and used to boast about working for) war-monger Blair.
        
        In 2005 Ardern embarked on an “overseas experience,” an extended—usually working—trip to Britain, which is a traditional rite of passage for the children of New Zealand’s middle and upper class. Instead of labouring in a London pub or warehouse and then touring the Continent, however, Ardern worked for two and a half years in the cabinet office of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, serving as an associate director for Better Regulation Executive with the primary responsibility of improving the ways in which local authorities interact with small businesses.
        https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jacinda-Ardern
        
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        December 12, 2018 8:37pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Thanks, Czech, I’m already on her case.”
        
        Good boy Mozzie.
        
        Careful you don’t turn into a real liberal 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:17pm
    - graham
      
      Your are now in a special category of the truly deranged. Keep an eye out for your appearance in our upcoming series, graham, you F+%KWIT. It’s called OMG! What did that F*KKWIT just say?
      
      Oh no, how will I ever cope with the shame … (yawn).
      
      No, but seriously, Morrissey, that’s a low blow. Very low indeed. I am now officially depressed. Or something.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:13pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ha! Excellent reply, graham! Good on you.
        
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        December 13, 2018 10:09am
secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION #2

Other than the fancy new plastic bag design, does anyone else find that *Tip Top White Sandwich Bread* is now complete crap?

It used to last 2 – 3 days before losing its freshness…..now we have to biff it in the bin after 24 hours 🙁
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December 12, 2018 1:48pm
- Jules99
  
  Always was crap as far as I’m concerned but could be two things. Either removing preservative which would be a good thing. Real bread without additives will only really be fresh for a day or two. Or they may have reduced the fat content – higher fat levels lead to longer shelf life. Those are the two that spring to mind.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:05pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Just checked the packaging….and you’re quite correct!
    
    It now reads: ‘No artificial additives. No added sugar’
    
    They can stik it up their arse!!
    
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    December 12, 2018 3:38pm
    - Jules99
      
      Sugar is another ‘preservative’. You need to keep it in the fridge now. Even better, freeze it.
      
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      December 12, 2018 4:01pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Keeping bread in the fridge changes of the structure of the bread fibre, or it dries out faster. Better to freeze it while fresh and thaw only enough slices as you require at a time.
        
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        December 12, 2018 4:28pm
- Fletch
  
  I’m more fearful about what’s going to happen to our Tip Top icecream once it’s sold to the Aussies. It’ll probably end up being crap – made with powdered milk solids and whatnot.
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:14pm
  - Jules99
    
    Have you looked at the label recently? Ice cream should contain cream, eggs and sugar, plus whatever flavourings they add. The only ice cream you’ll find close to that is imported. Tip Top is rubbish. Sad really.
    
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    December 12, 2018 4:05pm
- Poppa
  
  We use Couplands. At $1 a loaf who cares if it only lasts a day or two
  
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  December 12, 2018 2:48pm
  - brett68
    
    Their bread is terrible.
    
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    December 12, 2018 3:17pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      Steak and Vege Pies are very good value for the money paid.
      
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      December 12, 2018 4:20pm
      - secondcumming
        
        Yep, bought a couple for lunch yesterday….. *Ponsonby Pies Angus Beef & Cheese*, only $5.50 ea at New World. The donuts were shit tho, full of mock cream.
        
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        December 12, 2018 4:27pm
      - stigie
        
        The Minister for cheese rolls and fine dining would agree with that !~
        
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        December 12, 2018 5:11pm
- jcuk
  
  I keep mine in the freezer until to be used … no problem at this household.
  
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  December 12, 2018 7:32pm
krazykiwi

Wow, regarding Marrakesh:

Molyneux comes up with some pretty shocking statistics on the damage done by mass migration — and the unpopularity thereof in the countries that have to put up with it.

– 78 percent of European citizens want tighter control of immigration.

– 50 percent of Kenyans say they would move to another country (and they don’t mean Somalia or Zimbabwe, by the way) if they could.

– 12 Germans have to work in order to pay the costs of every one of the two or three million migrants Angela Merkel invited into the country.

– In 2017 the Swedish government spent $18.6 billion paying for refugees – 19 percent of its annual budget.

Why would any country on earth sign up to a deal so very obviously against the interests of its nationals?

It’s very simple: the globalist political elite doesn’t respect nation-states, nor does it give a damn about the views of ordinary people. Indeed, it despises them so much that it would much rather make their views illegal than listen to what they have to say

That stat on the Swedish budget is astounding.
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December 12, 2018 3:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  Krazykiwi,
  
  All made up stuff it seesm!. With Molyneux it has got to be!
  
  “Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
  
  ― Mark Twain
  
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  December 12, 2018 3:31pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Stephie is a stubborn thing, but he likes little goats that are pliable
    
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    December 12, 2018 6:28pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”but he likes little goats that are pliable”…..
      
      Dear God! It’s worse than I first thought.
      
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      December 12, 2018 6:34pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      From eBay>Health & Beauty>Health Care>Sexual Wellness>Sex Toys
      
      Blow up Billy Goat – Pipedream
      CURRENTLY SOLD OUT
      
      Has Stephieboy been buying in bulk ahead of Christmas?
      
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      December 12, 2018 6:46pm
      - nasska
        
        I wonder if anyone’s told him that when his blow up goat starts shedding tears it’s not a sign of affection but an indication that it needs emptying. 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 6:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He’s bought them for the Nativity scene at St Albans
        Well, they’ll be second hand when they get there
        ?
        
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        December 12, 2018 6:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah but I don’t think the goats have to be virgins.
        
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        December 12, 2018 6:57pm
      - Swifty
        
        I’d like an answer to my question of where Stiffy gets his bulk deals for Thibenzole?
        
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        December 12, 2018 6:59pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Here’s a fact for you Galah,
    Your idol Stormy Daniels has been ordered to pay Trumps legal fees of a quarter mil or so.
    Avennati for President?
    
    Bahaha!
    
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/11/trump-lawyers-awarded-nearly-300-k-stormy-daniels-claim/2281480002/
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:25pm
- secondcumming
  
  I was reading recently where an ex-pat *Immigration Consultant*, currently based in the UK maintains, “…..that he knows there would be more than a billion people in the world who would emigrate to New Zealand given the opportunity”.
  
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  December 12, 2018 3:47pm
  - sam green
    
    Mischief maker.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:37pm
Fletch

Andddd. Time magazine has elected Jamal Khashoggi as person of the year. The award is fast becoming a joke…

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/12/11/jamal-khashoggi-journalists-named-times-person-year/2274261002/

The way he died was terrible, but the guy was no saint. He supported the Muslim Brotherhood etc etc…
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December 12, 2018 4:18pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Time’s serious journalism became vapid virtue signaling some time ago
  
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  December 12, 2018 4:20pm
- realityczech
  
  “He supported the Muslim Brotherhood etc etc…”
  
  Just like the USA did in Egypt, Libya and Syria.
  
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  December 12, 2018 5:41pm
- MCos
  
  From the article you referenced
  ‘Of the four recipients, one is dead (Khashoggi), two are convicted (Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo), one is indicted (Ressa) and the other was attacked (Capital Gazette).’
  There are a number of journalists named, not just Khashoggi who is the most topical at the moment.
  Of particular interest to myself is the imprisonment of Wa Lone & Kyaw Soe Oo, two Burmese who reported on the massacre of ten Rohingya for Reuter’s.
  https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/myanmar-rakhine-events/
  
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  December 12, 2018 7:47pm
DigNap15

Our new buses here in Tauranga have tinted windows.
Is this so that we cannot see inside and see how few (if any) people are on the bus.

And the evil bastards want to take away car parks and make a dedicated bus lane so that it can carry hardly any one. Whilst slowing down cars even more.
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December 12, 2018 5:09pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I guess you have sellers of lawnmowers down there who don’t want to be seen too. They take the bus coz the S7 BMW is a bit over the top in some areas when delivering lawnmowers
  
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  December 12, 2018 6:28pm
DigNap15

The whole worlds news media has gone to the pack.

On BBC World’s home page today they were talking about a guy eating someones pizza while he was doing a delivery in India.

This is world news?
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December 12, 2018 5:12pm
V

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/11/he-was-a-bully-christine-rankin-accuses-crude-trevor-mallard-of-bullying.html

Trevor Mallard really is a vile piece of scum.
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December 12, 2018 5:16pm
- sooty
  
  Lovely, the fox is gaurding the hen house!
  How come you not backdating the inquire far enough there Trev.
  
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  December 12, 2018 5:49pm
- sam green
  
  Oh come on -she was a renowned bully- commented by both staff and clients. I’ve seen her in a cafe in Tauranga being an utter arse to staff.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:09pm
secondcumming

*Big Gerry* opened the General Debate today….

“The only reason Labor want to legalise cannabis, is so that they can start a company called ‘Scroubek Dak’ !

BOL!!
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December 12, 2018 6:27pm
Nostradamus

Another one for Nasska’s Religion Today file: Catholic priest Father Joe Walsh charged with stealing $252,000

Police from the Major Fraud Squad have charged a prominent Perth Catholic priest with stealing $252,000 in church funds. Father Joe Walsh allegedly stole the funds between 2014 and 2017 while he was the parish priest at St Joseph’s church in Subiaco.
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Outside the court, his lawyer Wayne Burg said Father Walsh did not want to make any comment other than to express his appreciation for what he described as the “significant” amount of support he has received from “a lot of people”.

Yes, I suppose a comment expressing remorse for stealing church funds would be a step too far.
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December 12, 2018 6:33pm
- nasska
  
  It’s a slippery slope. They start out sniffing little boys’ underwear & soon progress to buggering them over the altar table. Finally they steal church funds.
  
  Religion is a gateway to serious crime!
  
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  December 12, 2018 6:39pm
  - Swifty
    
    Aye.
    
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    December 12, 2018 6:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You’ve got it all wrong, nasska.
    
    How can you minister to thieves and the depraved if you have no real-life experience of their degraded station in life?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/8847641/Grace-and-disgrace-led-to-new-deans-rebirth
    
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    December 12, 2018 6:57pm
    - Swifty
      
      Living a lie then and living lie now.
      
      BTW – I wish no ill will to this man.
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:06pm
    - nasska
      
      Yeah! I see where you’re coming from Maggy. This coot saw an opening after being “convicted of theft, insurance fraud and burglary” & has progressed to conning the simple minded as “Dean of the Cathedral of St Paul”.
      
      From small beginnings! If he’d concentrated on treason, mass murder & drug running he could have made Pope! 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        ….and the institutionalisation of the cover up of child rape on an industrial scale.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:09pm
Swifty

Maggy, are you a vegetable grower?
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December 12, 2018 7:07pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’m almost certain that Maggy is quite keen on growing small turnips into much larger ones old chap. 🙂
  
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  December 12, 2018 7:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    What are your feelings on the imminent demolition of the ‘Nui mall Johnboy?
    
    Will you cope?
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:12pm
    - Johnboy
      
      No worries at all old chap. I never go shopping my self it’s far too common what!!!
      I’ll ask the servants if it’s a problem next time I allow them to converse with me. 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:17pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Johnboy:
    
    What’s happening in your slice of paradise old chap?
    
    Wainuiomata mall faces wrecking ball
    
    In Wellington, for example, two malls that have struggled for years, Wainuiomata and Johnsonville, have suffered from being dormitory suburbs, where people work elsewhere and often shop there as well.
    
    Is “dormitory suburb” a coded reference to places like Mikenmild’s once-thriving Quarry Inn?
    
    Edit: I see Swifty got in first 🙂
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:14pm
    - Johnboy
      
      See above old chap. 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Commercially.. No
  
  But I always grow a few basics in the vege garden…
  
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  December 12, 2018 7:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    What have you got in?
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:13pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Spinachbeet, carrots, last of the broadbeans,
      winged pea (won’t bother with it again)
      salad lettuces,
      capsicums
      last of the cauliflowers
      butternut
      buttercup
      opium
      a bloody slow type of green bean
      zillions of herbs
      some perennial onion (won’t bother again)
      
      No tomatoes…
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:19pm
      - Swifty
        
        Excellent.
        
        I’ve just spent most of the day in amongst it.
        
        Spuds are finished. Going big on capsicums this year. And corn. Doing maybe 20 toms or so.
        
        It’s been a great day. Pleasantly tired.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:23pm
      - jcuk
        
        Those winged peas Maggi … did they fly away from you? 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:42pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Love the quiet opium in the list Maggie ?
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @jcuk
        
        actually, they were winged beans..
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winged_bean
        2nd year I’ve grown them…
        They have such a short time in which they are nice to eat… they become woody really quick
        I can’t be bothered with something like that
        
        @ Awww Cmon
        I always grow opium poppy…. never know when you might need to make up your own pain-killer.
        Of course, I do not process the pods (that’s illegal)….
        just harvest enough seed for the following year.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:16pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Not me so far. 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You haven’t paid the entry fee.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:24pm
      - Swifty
        
        That’s not like you. Are you off your oats?
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:25pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I could bring myself and a ton of manure Maggy. You’d be hard pressed to tell the difference if you’re blind and relying on your sense of smell of course! 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:28pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Growing veges is rewarding, unless like me, you decapitate the Lebanese cucumber by mistake! A little over eager with the pruning. ?
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:24pm
    - Swifty
      
      You’re not alone waikatogirl – when I think of all the gardening blunders I’ve made over the years……..
      
      Every year is slightly better though! 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:27pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Good luck with your capsicums Swifty. Great year last year for a bumper crop but a little cool for them so far this year. ?
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:31pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks waikatogirl.
        
        I’ve done plenty of chillies over the last five years, the last couple of years a good two hundred plants – but never capsicums in any big quantities.
        
        Yeah, here in Auckland the temps have been variable over the last month or two – but the capsicums are a good two feet tall now and flowering, so off to a reasonable start so far.
        
        Fingers crossed.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:39pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Many decades ago, hubby mowed over a young Passionfruit and a rare native shrub I had raised from seed…. When I pointed this out to him, he demanded to know what they looked like… so I went into a detailed description… until he stopped me and said.. what colour were they?
      
      He didn’t mow lawns for the next 30 years..
      being unable to discern the difference between 3cm high grass and a 30cm shrub or a vine was a risk I wasn’t willing to take.
      
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      December 12, 2018 7:32pm
      - Johnboy
        
        He’s really a very clever man your hubby Maggy. When we had our first child I pretended that I was mortally afraid of stabbing the wee mite to death with the safety pin.
        I never had to change a nappy in my life! 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:36pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        the difference between 3cm high grass and a 30cm shrub or a vine
        
        Your husband could have asked Colin Craig for advice!
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He’s not that clever..
        Now we are heading into our dotage and we’ve got 6 lawns to mow…How sad, they are on different levels, separated by paths and walls.. so he can’t use a ride-on.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:40pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Maggy, are you sure he didn’t mow over them on purpose so he no longer had to mow the lawn?
        A known avoidance technique by some sneaky individuals…
        
        I see JB is well versed in that, as my hubby has been on occasion!!
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:42pm
      - realityczech
        
        I set you up with some cheap surplus 2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic acid to control growth.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:44pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Good grief Nostra! Even a very naive young lady could tell the difference between 1 and a little bit inches and a 12 incher! 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:44pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Could you spray some on stephi rc? 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:46pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’m still capable of riding Maggy and have a reputation as a very reliable stallion if you find hubby’s a bit past it! 🙂
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:49pm
      - Swifty
        
        DigNap won’t be happy with the way this conversation is going tonight….he insists we be all serious all of the time.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @waikatogirl
        
        of course I became suspicious of his actions especially after he would attempt to do the vacuuming… but leave a collection of dust-balls behind doors, or under chairs ..
        
        Ah well, after 40 years of domestic bliss, you learn a few tricks…
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:50pm
      - realityczech
        
        No you need a pedocide to control that pest.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:51pm
      - Johnboy
        
        We probably need to call the Pythons Colonel in Swifty.
        
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        December 12, 2018 7:57pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “I set you up with some cheap surplus 2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic acid to control growth”.
        
        That’s great stuff when mixed with 2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid and a dash of PCDD’s.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:39pm
realityczech

Like I said – The senior level of the public service is full of corruption. Just look at the endless stream of crooks exposed by the media and that is just the tip of a very large iceberg.

“A former SAS commander, now in charge of some of the country’s courts, backdated a search and seizure order after drugs and weapons were found at a military camp. Lieutenant Colonel Karl Cummins, 44…”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/10365727/Courts-boss-faced-military-prosecution
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December 12, 2018 7:25pm
MrTips

Like pulling teeth but Hardcore is named as Cindy’s mate and sending a text after ILGs decision: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12175727

It’s official; Cindy hangs with the drug dealers.
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December 12, 2018 8:14pm
- realityczech
  
  What action will the Governor General be taking to protect us now that Ardern’s connection to organised criminal networks has been revealed ?
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:26pm
  - nasska
    
    The Police Commissioner will be along shortly to tell us what to think about the matter.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:41pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yep he will tell us: We are not going to investigate the Hells Angels and any suggestion we are investigating the Hells Angels is without substance.
      
      I wonder if the Hells Angel member is the actual father of the cursed spoor and that is why she demanded he stay?
      
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      December 12, 2018 8:46pm
  - MrTips
    
    I doubt Cindy is linked to organised crime and Richie Hardcore seems a clean living guy. But they both seem to know Sroubek (a convicted drug importer/dealer). Hardcore clearly was happy to text Cindy to express his happiness with the decision by ILG so one can reasonably assume they both know him enough to be pleased. Simon Bridges has pointed that out too.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:37pm
waikatogirl

Liar, liar, pants on fire Cindy!
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December 12, 2018 8:28pm
- starboard
  
  No wonder she suffers from anxiety..
  
  LOL !
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:09pm
Keeping Stock

Just a passing acquaintance, is he Ms Ardern?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BwuMVcKl47AFfvCIec6PKNcR_wxjHvRc

So how did he happen to have your mobile number to send you a txt?
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December 12, 2018 8:38pm
- realityczech
  
  A disturbing photo. Posing with a gang hang about.
  
  There needs to be an investigation into Ardern’s action during the election to see if she used her gang affiliations to intimidate political opponents and others.
  
  The police have been compromised already, so not sure who could conduct the investigation.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:44pm
  - oob
    
    Whilst the terms of reference are set by the government, a Royal Commission of Inquiry is conducted under the auspices of the Governor General on behalf of the Crown.
    
    There is a prima facie case of corruption at the highest levels of government here in my opinion, and the “thank you” text should be enough to trigger a RCoI.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:48pm
    - RF
      
      Lordy me… we have a corrupt Govt.
      
      Ardern will crack as pressure will be mounting…..
      
      She will not last and will be gone before 2020.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        She has the: Media, Police, SIS and Hells Angels, on her side. She will be alright.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:14pm
- nasska
  
  She’s up to her pearly white fangs in the shit.
  
  Yet she can’t handle pressure…..only adulation. Sooner or later someone of the MSM will break ranks & it will be all on for young & old!
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:46pm
  - realityczech
    
    She may well use her gang connections to shut down anyone who breaks ranks.
    
    Shit has got serious!
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:05pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It was only a ‘one off’ – apparently
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:39pm
pdm

Has Ardern misled Parliament re this?
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December 12, 2018 8:39pm
- realityczech
  
  No. She lied.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:51pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Excuse me? She doesn’t need to resort to lying…
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:40pm
    - pdm
      
      SW – You had better tell her that because lying seems to come naturally to her.
      
      I call bullshit on her being the most open Prime Minister ever.
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

My God, is this brilliant timing?

So Parliament ends with Jacinda having a MAJOR question hanging over her head…

Transparency……like hell.
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December 12, 2018 8:46pm
- realityczech
  
  This will be buried by the media in no time. Stuff’s front page is clogged with stories about poor Grace’s bung Tinder date.
  
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  December 12, 2018 8:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Jacinda had better hope that there is no Meth/Ecstasy involved with the Grace Millane death.
    
    Auckland seems to be awash in drug pushers/drug- gangs and drug-afflicted folk.
    
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    December 12, 2018 8:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      Funny I was just thinking about that. She could have died from doing drugs and the young fella has panicked and disposed of her body. Lots of people are into drugs and hook ups.
      
      The media won’t like that being known, if true. The chance of that guy getting a fair trial is – zero – after this media frenzy.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:03pm
      - Sacha
        
        My thought too – something went wrong, and if so drugs most likely involved. Panic ensued.
        A young man with no apparent means of support living in an expensive Auckland hotel . . . . . .
        But I speculate.
        
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        December 13, 2018 10:37am
    - nasska
      
      …..”better hope that there is no Meth/Ecstasy involved”…..
      
      The point I find amazing is that with the violence & general crime facilitated by Meth the gutless freaks are so scared of the conservative Godaddled that they will not even consider sanctioning use of harmless marijuana by dying, pain-wracked people without a bullshit referendum.
      
      They deserve everything that’s coming to them!
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        The one good thing this useless shambles of a government could do is legalise weed.
        
        Trouble is mate, they are not actually liberals.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:11pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”they are not actually liberals”…..
        
        I know & you know but it’s amazing how many don’t click. Apart from the fact that socialists love control & nuisance laws (think drunk & disorderly or insufficient means of support) are essential to micromanage the populace many Labour voters are anything other than liberal.
        
        There’s probably no sector of the population more socially conservative than Islanders & Catholic miners.
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        We let them control the language. There is nothing liberal or progressive about these intolerant authoritarian arseholes.
        
        What is a liberal humanist like myself to do? Vote for Simon!
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:46pm
      - Jack5
        
        ❗Kearealityczech❗ posted at 9.03:
        
        “The one good thing this useless shambles of a government could do is legalise weed.”
        
        There are good arguments for that, KRC, but then there’s this on the other side:
        
        “Several case studies and longitudinal studies have illustrated the link between acute psychosis and mania associated with cannabis.”
        
        That’s from the link below.
        
        Being there already, you won’t have to worry about that yourself ❗KRC❗ but possible psychosis triggering is one of the potential downsides of fully legalising cannabis. A better argument for legalising it is that it may be impossible to suppress its use.
        
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811144/
        
        AND
        
        https://www.livescience.com/17707-marijuana-thc-brain-psychosis.html
        
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        December 12, 2018 9:48pm
      - realityczech
        
        Correct Jacksie, everyone who wants to smoke weed is already doing it. The law only creates extra negatives and no positives.
        
        No need to get your sidelocks in a tangle though, you still have the choice to be drug free.
        
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        December 12, 2018 10:00pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Yo, no doubt they were using chemicals Maggy. What a clusterfuck for this government.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s all on for a new PM in Britain

Theresa May to face leadership challenge
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46535739
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December 12, 2018 9:04pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Betfair had her at $1.03 to lose a vote of no-confidence. Then the money came and she dropped to $1.02.
  Interestingly the second and third favourites for her successor are Dominic Raab and Sajid Javid. They do not sound the like the sorts of names that the gentry in the Cotswolds would be mentioning.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:26pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    My apologies to readers.
    I was looking at the wrong betting site. It was whether there would be a non-confidence vote.
    In the event of a non-confidence vote she is still $1.40 favourite to win.
    These betting sites are mesmerising in their complexity. Sorry about that.
    This is more fascinating than the Melbourne Cup ante-post betting market.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:21pm
Jack5

? He made the MeToo predators look mild…. This post is not for the eyes of the mall-leering member of Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.

Fox News draws on a new book about the “sexcapades” of the eccentric industrial and film mogul Howard Hughes.

Hughes by comparison makes Harvey Weinstein and the other MeToo targets look like minor womanisers.

The book recounts screen star Ava Gardner saying this about Hughes:

““Hughes was one of the world’s consummate t-t men, and he was convinced that women’s breasts would sag dangerously unless treated gently and supported at all times.”

Hughes would assign cars and drivers for his girlfriends. The drivers were ordered not to let road bumps jar the women.

““If we saw a bump in the road, we were supposed to slow down to a maximum speed of 2 miles an hour and crawl over the obstruction so as not to jiggle the starlet’s breasts,” a Hughes driver named Ron Kistler later revealed.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/inside-the-horrors-of-howard-hughes-hollywood-sexcapades
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December 12, 2018 9:33pm
- realityczech
  
  “This post is not for the eyes of the mall-leering member of Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.”
  
  Jacksie, they have actually started tearing malls down around the country due to stupidboys defilement of them.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    Do you think the leering Stephieboy might be a reincarnation of Howard Hughes (see post above)? The “firm, ample breasts” obsession was transmitted, but the intelligence couldn’t make it through the process. ?
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:53pm
    - realityczech
      
      No, stupid likes very young girls. Howard preferred fully formed women.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:57pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Did Howard Hughes have a thing for old ladies’ undies?
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:59pm
Tauhei Notts

I thought Boris Johnston would be a red hot favourite, but not so. A few minutes ago he was paying $5.50 to be the next leader.
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December 12, 2018 9:34pm
BananaLlama

Looks like our PM is a druggy.
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December 12, 2018 9:36pm
- realityczech
  
  Always said that. Just look at her.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:41pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Yeah, looks like she is still off her gourd. Grazing E like a Buffalo out on the Savannah will do that.
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:46pm
    - starboard
      
      “It’s official; Cindy hangs with the drug dealers”
      
      That’s pretty hardcore…
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:05pm
DigNap15

I enjoyed watching Simon Bridges question Ardern about anyone in government knowing Shrobrek.
And now she knows one of his friends!

And what about her husband?

I hope National can keep the pressure on her.
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December 12, 2018 9:37pm
- realityczech
  
  “And what about her husband?”
  
  High profile individuals who like to party, often have interesting connections through which they gain access to recreational chemicals.
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:41pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Are you saying that Ardern likes to party?
    
    I suppose she must do with a husband like Gayford.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Richie Hardcore is on Gayford’s Facebook page…
  
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  @RichieHardcore
  Apr 22
  More
  Replying to @NZClarke
  Welcome home bro, rise above and all that! NZ’s a terrible place to have more than 4 people know your name! Stay positive! ?
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:42pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    The only Richie Hardcore I know of is an associate of Buttman and Throbbin’
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:46pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Woops…
    seems to be Gayford’s twitter feed..
    https://twitter.com/nzclarke/status/988207941093285888?lang=en
    
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    December 12, 2018 9:48pm
    - realityczech
      
      Jesus don’t read the comments under the twitter photo. Sickening brainless women.
      
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      December 12, 2018 9:54pm
KevinH

Unfortunately, for Theresa May, she may be forced to stand down as Leader of the Conservative Party following the delivery of the 48 letters that will trigger a leaders vote.
The two scenarios are, she will lose the vote, or secondly, win by a small margin whereby she may decide to resign anyway.
She is in a very difficult position regarding the Brexit deal, the EU leadership have said they won’t renegotiate a new deal, and secondly, her own party won’t support her following her decision to defer the vote. So, in reality, her flying visit to Europe was really a farewell tour.
Moving on the contenders for her job are:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1865068/3-british-pakistani-sajid-javid-among-top-contenders-uk-pm-spot/
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December 12, 2018 9:46pm
- howitis
  
  Treason May can piss off any time she likes.
  Now would be good.
  
  Lockwood Smith covers it well this morn on AM
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/12/where-to-now-with-brexit.html
  As he points out, T May created the bad situation and did not trust career public servants and had her own team working off line from Number 10.
  Perhaps she watched too much ‘Yes Minister’ and over-reacted.
  Either way she cocked up and has to own it.
  
  Treason May has earned her name.
  She is a an evil traitor like Philby, Burgess et al.
  Her next address after Number 10 should be the Tower of London, by Friday.
  
  When Europe pointed its Guns at England in 1939/40 Britain shot back.
  “We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”
  
  Don’t send a silly old chook to do an adult’s job.
  Baroness Maggie would never have taken this crap from an uppity BeNeLux Drunk(er)
  
  It is scary that Javid is a contender.
  Look at the Paki mayor of London then extrapolate.
  #fuckedforalltime
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:18pm
Nostradamus

We interrupt proceedings to remember Darren Hughes and the story of the naked man who ran down the street in the middle of the night – apparently to get away from Darren. Why was he naked? And why was he apparently trying to get away from Darren? It’s a story that the Labour Party would like us to forget!
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December 12, 2018 9:53pm
- starboard
  
  Why is the NZ liarbor party so full of sexual deviants?
  
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  December 12, 2018 9:59pm
Jack5

Is the world in for a re-run of the Cuban missile crisis?

Russia has sent strategic bombers to cash-strapped, Leftist Venezuela for exercises.

A Russian official says the American reaction has been hysterical.

Here’s a China take on the exercises:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/2177629/us-hysterics-after-russian-nuclear-capable-bombers-land
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December 12, 2018 10:16pm
- realityczech
  
  Anti-Slavism reached its highest peak during World War II, when Nazi Germany declared Slavs, especially neighboring Poles to be subhuman and planned to exterminate the majority of Slavic people. [1]
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavic_sentiment
  
  Note they killed around 30 million
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, Hitler was maniacally anti-Slav. But, ❗Kiarealityczech❗ you know the well that the Soviet death toll includes a million or so Jews, but bugger all, if any, of your Palestinian mates.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:42pm
    - realityczech
      
      Russia was host to the worlds biggest Jewish population at the time, so of course some Jews perished in the troubles.
      
      That does not justify the actions of the Jews in Israel today. A nation created by the British on land that was not theirs. The Jews stole the land and exterminated the inhabitants when they came over from Africa thousands of years ago, and are doing the same today.
      
      I am okay with Israel existing, but not their armed invasion and take over of more and more land.
      
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      December 12, 2018 10:50pm
      - Jack5
        
        ✡ Nope, I think there were 3 million Jews in Poland at the outbreak of World War 2, and just over 2.5 million in the whole Soviet Union.
        
        How did you get from Russian strategic bombers going to Venezuela to Israel?
        
        In your sleep, do you dream about Israel and Jews and Palestinians, ❗Kearealityczech❗ ?
        
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        December 12, 2018 11:14pm
Jack5

Democrat Nancy Pelosi says Donald Trump’s push for a wall on the Mexican border is a “manhood thing”.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/pelosi-disses-trumps-manhood-white-house-meeting-1057607
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December 12, 2018 10:22pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’d say it was a defending your country thing!
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Pete George is running with the Ardern _Hardcore story
https://yournz.org/2018/12/12/sroubek-hardcore-ardern-pressure-builds-for-full-disclosure/

He’s also posted up the pics of Hardcore with Greens – Chlöe Swarbrick, James Shaw, Golriz Ghahraman and Richie Hardcore

and a real beauty from Phil Twyford’s Facebook
as well as the Gayford twitter link.
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December 12, 2018 10:32pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Weeell, he is a social justice campaigner, advocate, and mental health counsellor so not surprising he knows other socially conscious people.
  
  And yes I do realise these things amount to criminal activity in the shrivelled minds of the Kiwiblog community.
  
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  December 12, 2018 11:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na, Muttonbird.
    
    We only want to know why the PM was so shy about acknowledging her relationship with this SJW.
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:11pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Make sure the squirrels get a good nights sleep Muttonbrain. They are going to be busy in the morning.
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:18pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  wasn’t it marquess who quipped a few days along the lines of poor Simon, and Santa bringing gifts? Looks like Christmas may have come early for Simon. The joining of the dots is beginning, and I suspect a few people are getting nervous…. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the Unicorn Palace….
  
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  December 13, 2018 12:22am
- simpleton1
  
  MW, the link go to “yournz” but to ‘page not found’.
  So I clicked on “Home” and then scrolled down a number of posts.
  
  This was the link that I came up with.
  https://yournz.org/2018/12/13/sroubek-hardcore-ardern-pressure-builds-for-full-disclosure/#comments
  
  Interesting also to read through the dozen comments, noting how even Helen Clark seemed to be ok with the company of Richie Hardcore in the photo.
  
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  December 13, 2018 7:22am
DigNap15

Is that his real name?
Ritchie Hardcore ?
Come on

How many Hardcores are there in the phone book?

I can’t wait till tomorrow to see what the MSM does!
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December 12, 2018 10:47pm
- sooty
  
  Oh dear. The cover always get you!
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:50pm
- realityczech
  
  “I can’t wait till tomorrow to see what the MSM does!”
  
  1. Down play.
  2. Distract.
  3. Run stories promoting Ardern.
  4. Run stories attacking National.
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  His surname is Steward.
  
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  December 12, 2018 10:55pm
  - realityczech
    
    I might write to the Prime Minister asking for a list of the gang names and real names of her connections.
    
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    December 12, 2018 10:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    Braunias on Richie Hardcore:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11615406
    
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    December 12, 2018 11:19pm
sooty

Aren’t we luck it started to unravel while parliament still sitting!
How are you going to run protection now ducky?
BBQ season is apon us!
Is this the end of the COL?
Was Whiney flying to Washington tonight?
He may have to turn around and come home!
Will the send an airforce plane to get him.
But we have no fast movers any more.
Helen sore to that! Commercial it will have to be.
Slide him down the gangway, when he arrives as he will be pissed and on his last offical flight before retirement!
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December 12, 2018 11:22pm
- skyblue
  
  Hope not. I am on the direct flight path in Greenhithe.
  
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  December 13, 2018 12:27am
sooty

Alls fine and dandy with the media at the moment!
How and who are going to spin this?
This will be interesting?
Can’t wait for the morning!
There’s going to be alot of people with no sleep tonight.
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December 12, 2018 11:28pm
skyblue

So Adern is a druggy slut.
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December 13, 2018 12:35am
DigNap15

I think the censor has removed the article form the herald already!
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December 13, 2018 5:49am
DigNap15

The story is on Newstalk ZB.

And Mike Hoskins has been talking about it this morning.
He compares it to the Derek Handly situation where Arden did not know either!

Mike will have Simon Bridges on after 7 Thursday morning.
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December 13, 2018 6:40am
stoptheboats

Will the Baybeee and Vogue xmas promos be enough to save her this time?
Imagine the panicked calls to H1 and H2 for advice last night!
The kindly and transparent Gayford led govt is being shown up as Hardcore dodgy , and no amount of beard- growing to hide behind will suffice.
E Tu comrades?
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December 13, 2018 7:23am
- simpleton1
  
  H1 poses “well” in the pic.
  Was that when visas came through for Soubek on a false passport?
  
  https://twitter.com/RichardMorganNZ/status/1072776555829485568/photo/1
  
  So in Ritchies Hardcore’s travels had he known of and or met Soubek, had any dealings, and/or knew of his real name?
  
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