General Debate 11 December 2018

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krazykiwi

No Nikki, not a good move. If Labour and the Greens support your language(s) in school proposal, then it sucks.

She said the bill would also ensure universal access to te reo Māori as a result and more young people learning te reo.

Universal access? Nonsense. This is essentially a stalking horse for compulsory te reo, dressed up with the appeal of ‘other’ languages as options.
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December 11, 2018 8:01am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  “Kids who do a second language generally tend to do better in their first language,”
  
  A basic failure of logic. Kids who are struggling with their first language tend not to bother trying to learn a second one. At the moment primary schools are hardly making any effort to teach science, history and geography. Those should be the priorities after reading, writing and maths.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:21am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Wrong; there is all sorts of evidence that children who are exposed to a second language early in life do better at learning than those who do not.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:33am
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes I agree, but not Maori please, its not really a full language, it can be learned in six months by any 12 year old.
      Better to learn French or Spanish or Mandarin or Japanese.
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:38am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Japanese. Learn that.
        (Actually, many schools are terminating their Japanese courses (started in the 1980s) in favor of Mandarin.)
        
        Sigh!
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:06am
      - Jack5
        
        But, but … what about Tongan and Samoan and Cook Islands Maori?
        
        And –~~Ngai~~ Kai Tahu?
        
        It would be great to have more language learning in schools, and variety of choice. Real knowledge rather than bullshit about the history of feminism and the religion of Gaia.
        
        Teaching Maori will provide jobs for a few of the scores of folk coming out of universities, polytechnics, colleges of education, and wananga with degrees in Maori.
        
        But I recommend using the temporary tourist visa scheme for recruiting as teachers for primary and secondary schools enthusiastic young folk skilled in Spanish,, Japanese, Indonesian, Russian, French, German. There should be plenty of Mandarin, Hindi, and Korean teachers available from among settlers.
        
        Most powerful of all would be to introduce kids to the power of the internet in learning languages, and the great enjoyment
        in talking with learners of English in their native language on Skype.
        
        For the young polyglots who will emerge, why not arouse their interest in Esperanto and others like these:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_constructed_languages
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:58am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        DigNap15
        Are you seriously suggesting any language other than Maori. Frankly it is a ridiculous suggestion for you to make.
        And I am pretty sure you are not really motivated by your excuse that it is too easy.Though I see you have lots of upticks, but based on many of the comments on Kiwiblog, the position of many is well removed from say DPF who pretty much in the mid point of the centre right.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:14am
      - sooty
        
        Teach them English. The immigrants need it so do the Maoris. Gangster speak s not English.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:21am
      - Liberty
        
        “a ridiculous suggestion for you to make.”
        
        Wayne you are wrong.
        Learning the Maori Language might give born again Maoris the warm fuzzy.
        But on the world stage it is a non starter.
        
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        December 11, 2018 11:43am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Liberty,
        
        Not every language is for the world stage. It might be primarily about the country itself. Hebrew being a good example. Maori is essentially in the same category.
        
        If you are in public life in New Zealand, having some knowledge of Maori is highly desirable. You need to be able to say a mihi. You need to know a range of waiata. Tena koutou katoa won’t cut it.
        
        Just about every young Maori person working in the public sector seems to be able to speak Te reo. So do many others in the government sector, especially younger professionals. This raises a general expectation upon everyone else. Most government agencies have Te reo courses.
        
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        December 11, 2018 12:52pm
      - simpleton1
        
        Most government agencies have Te reo courses.
        Demanding more money, (over and above their basic form of operation) from taxpayers with menaces!
        
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        December 11, 2018 12:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Wayne Mapp’s 12.52 post includes:
        
        “If you are in public life in New Zealand, having some knowledge of Maori is highly desirable. You need to be able to say a mihi. You need to know a range of waiata. Tena koutou katoa won’t cut it.”
        
        With our race-based electoral system, knowledge of Maori is marginally important for politicians in non-Maori electorates.
        
        Surveys show the number of Maori speakers continues to decline.The present big push by our State and near-duopoly media to force us to speak Maori can’t work.
        
        If you created interest in all languages in school children, you would find more people would willingly and even enthusiastically learn at least the small amount of knowledge of Maori that Wayne Mapp sees as necessary for politicians and bureaucrats.
        
        Languages are under pressure everywhere. Maori would have a better chance of survival in a nation where people wanted to learn it because of interest rather than because of politically correct hectoring.
        
        Don’t underestimate the pressure Maori is under. English is the world language of business, of politics, of science, of technology, and most importantly, of popular culture and of the internet.
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:16pm
      - MH
        
        sigh another
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:44pm
      - Wangas Feral
        
        Most government agencies have Te reo courses.
        
        Most government departments should concentrate on doing what they are set up to do and not run language courses. We struggle to pay our bills and this is how the government (past and present) spend our money.
        
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        December 11, 2018 2:32pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Wayne Mapp
        
        Not every language is for the world stage. It might be primarily about the country itself. Hebrew being a good example. Maori is essentially in the same category.
        
        There are more than 50 languages that are “primarily about the country itself”. So what?
        
        Maori and Hebrew could hardly be more different. While the former is on state-funded life-support, Lashon Hakodesh survived for centuries, in globally isolated, and usually persecuted communities of Jews. There was no formal inclusion of this language in a host country’s civic life. There was no state funded education. There was no state funded TV/Media/Print channels. Being overheard speaking Hebrew made the person a pogrom target. Yet it survived.
        
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        December 11, 2018 3:04pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Where is this evidence?
      
      I’ve seen two types of kids who learn a second language. The ones who were brighter than average to begin with, and the ones whose parents are immigrants. In the second case they start long before primary school.
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:53am
      - Sacha
        
        My grandson aged three, visiting from Japan, said: Look! a tree house! His first sentence in English after a week in NZ, although his father spoke both languages at home. He chattered for a month –
        He is now in his 2nd year at university, and plans to do a masters in Japan starting 2021.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:25am
      - Jack5
        
        Nigel K., have a wander into the language-learning pages of Youtube. You will find young and old people enthusiastically studying languages. Some of these video courses get thousands of “likes”.
        
        There are tips on language learning, international conferences, and polyglots explaining how they have come to speak more than a dozen languages.
        
        The Internet, Youtube, and Skype, are revolutionising language learning.
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:20pm
      - Durden
        
        Wayne Mapp, Hebrew is a bad example . It’s spoken by a much larger % than Maori.
        
        When almost everyone speaks English and very few, even Maori, can converse in Maori, it is only due to wanting to be fashionable and different that we even speak Maori in government and other official situations. It is mandated not natural.
        
        How is speaking Maori useful in the world or even in NZ ? It’s a quaint gimmick to impress outsiders and pacify some locals and a good way for them to make koha or get government funding.
        
        A unique identity for the country is better when many people can share and understand what gives us that identity Otherwise it remains a gesture and an anachronistic display of nativeness.
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:20pm
      - MH
        
        sacha – has he seen any more of these promised trees or even houses ?
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:47pm
    - cmm
      
      “children who are exposed to a second language early in life do better at learning than those who do not.”
      
      Big “it depends”, especially on the family environment. “Early in life” means in a family context. eg. Parents speak Mandarin and English.
      
      Just teaching the kids to count to ten in Maori at playcentre is not helpful.
      
      Extra languages are helpful in certain circumstances, but I would not make broad-brush statements about it.
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:56am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        This!
        
        There are different sorts of bilingual situations – a home which uses a mother tongue different from the dominant community language, a home which uses two languages, a community in which two languages are commonly used, a second language taught in school but not used much in the community.
        
        As far as I can tell from very limited knowledge of the research, the last kind of bilingualism produces the least cognitive benefit, yet it will be the bilingualism many NZ students experience.
        
        As always, there is an opportunity cost. While students are learning to speak a second language to varying degrees of competence with varying degrees of cognitive benefit, they are not learning something else.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:03am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        CMM my and your understanding is that kids in environments where multiple languages are constantly spoken pick most of them up. Look at Zulu or Xhosa kids that can speak about 4 languages. I learnt French at school, but never heard it spoken. It’s the language I am least comfortable in , where as although I lerant Italian later in life, I constantly heard it and my accent is near perfect although my grammar is attrocious. Afrikaans was constanlty heard, written and read, and of course for two years I spoke nothing but it.
        The proposals for Maori are doomed to failure except where the language is persistently spoken.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:44am
      - cmm
        
        ROL: Yup, you need to actually USE a language for it to have any real value.
        
        I grew up in rural Natal so I had to learn isiZulu otherwise I could not speak to Zulus (who would refuse to speak other people’s languages). I spent a lot of time in the Transkei where the people only speak isiXhosa. Luckily isiZulu and isiXhosa are close enough to migrate easily.
        
        In Natal we had to learn Afrikaans at school from Std 1 (year 3). My Afrikaans was adequate, but not fluent, until I spent 2 years in the army pretty much only using Afrikaans (even when speaking with other English speakers).
        
        At university I did a proper language course on isiXhosa but bailed after a few months due to my dyslexia giving me hassles reading isiXhosa. That was interesting, learning about all the different tenses etc (isiXhosa has more tenses than English), but it also has less prepositions (eg. “in” and “between” are the same word).
        
        There are certainly things you can express with a wide set of languages under your belt. My father (rot his bones) and I would often use English, Afrikaans and isiZulu mixed up – even in the same sentence.
        
        Maori is a contrived language, created by white men. From what I understand it is different from North to South (like the various Nguni languages are similar, but different). Nobody uses Maori for all their daily real-world communications, so it is not being used. That makes it very challenging to get anything useful out of it.
        
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        December 11, 2018 11:21am
      - namron
        
        As an ex-primary teacher for 48 years, I wonder which present curriculum area is going to have to be reduced or removed to make room for Maori!
        Probably more time taken from Language [English] and/or Maths as unlikely the recently introduced bike riding and kapa haka will be touched.
        Jack5’s statement – “English is the world’s language of business, politics, science, technology, popular culture and of the internet” encapsulates
        an important fact which seems to be forgotten these days.
        
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        December 11, 2018 5:13pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      It’s not as simple as that. Simply exposing children to a second language (taught by a non-native speaker) in the classroom will not really make a difference.
      
      In a billingual household, the children will have “skin in the game” in that one (or other) of their parents will be the native speaker of the second language, and will teach their offspring with all the love and passion of a good parent. The child will listen not only to the words and phrases but also to the emotion and the non-verbal gestures and facial expressions that are also an integral component of the language (try getting a primary school teacher to teach those).
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:19am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Absolutely. Why the hell don’t these experts listen to immigrants that do speak other languages.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:44am
    - Jules99
      
      Wrong – the evidence has long been debunked but it’s still loved by those who have an agenda to push. There is no evidence that forcing a child to learn a language makes them any smarter. In fact there is abundant evidence that it doesn’t.
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:34am
  - kowtow
    
    The priority in “education” is identity politics gesturing and using children captured in a compulsory state system to do that is morally very wrong.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:54am
    - MH
      
      women teachers – it’s them folks- and if there isn’t a macron involved I wouldn’t touch it with a bard poll.
      
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      December 11, 2018 1:49pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I can’t speak to your experience, but in my case I’d have to say that learning a second language was nothing but a benefit to me. Given that the second language I learned was English, and that the language spoken at home was Dutch, it was a given that I was going to be bi-lingual, (subsequently tri lingual, to a point, a smattering of French has come in useful as well).
    
    What I have found subsequently is that I have a better than average command of the English language. I’m not trying to be a smart-arse about it, it’s simply a statement of fact. I am frequently complemented on my powers of written and verbal expression, which sometimes make me seem a lot more intelligent than I suspect I actually am, truth be told.
    
    My one regret is that my command of the Dutch language has atrophied through lack of use. I’d love to spend 6 months back in Holland to see if a period of total immersion would re-invigorate my abilities, however as the majority of Dutch citizens now probably speak better English than many New Zealanders, it might be a stretch to call it total immersion!
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:22am
    - Colinxy
      
      I suspect the reason so many New Zealanders are terrible at English is because it is taught badly at school.
      
      I only figured out English when I learned Latin. After learning Latin I was extremely annoyed with my former “English” teachers; they couldn’t teach their subject material to save themselves. They could teach propaganda, on the other hand, like professionals.
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:34am
      - Jules99
        
        My dad, who did latin at school, reckons it made it a lot easier to pick up other languages later on because the structure was similar. Latin would probably be more useful than Maori. French is good as a lingua franca too.
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:37am
      - Jack5
        
        I found learning some Latin helped more with getting the head around other inflected languages rather than in building skill in English.
        
        To build confidence and skill in learning languages, introducing kids to other Germanic languages such as German, Dutch, Afrikaans would be helpful.
        
        A Dutch person from the right region of the Netherlands might give kids a one-lesson on Frisian, the closest language to English, apart from Scots, which seems to be itself a language also branched from early English. (That would have been or maybe still would be a good study for Otago-Southland kids.)
        
        What a difference it would have made for the reception given Dutch settlers if teachers in those days had introduced kids to the closeness of their and our languages.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:13am
      - SGA
        
        French is good as a lingua franca too.
        
        English is the world’s default lingua franca now.
        French – hmmm.. My guess is that Spanish and Mandarin would be more useful in this day and age (if utility is the prime objective).
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:13am
      - Colinxy
        
        I wasn’t trying to claim Latin was the best language to learn. However, when I learned Latin, I discovered there were actual rules to English (grammar). I was annoyed that after many years of learning English formally at school, I wasn’t taught English in any meaningful way. Propaganda yes, English no.
        
        While Maori could be useful as a teaching aid for English, I doubt (unionised) teachers could forego teaching propaganda.
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:42pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Just go and live in Browns Baai. You will hear enough Afrikaans to quickly get your Dutch up to speed!
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:46am
    - insider
      
      I hate to do this to you rowiwor, especially with your powers of written and verbal expression, but it’s compliment not complement.
      
      Tot ziens. ?
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:58am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Don’t see why a teacher can’t share a second language while teaching. We have one teacher fluent in Te Reo at primary who incorporates a lot of Maori Language just into her general conversations with kids. Surely that’s the most natural way to learn a second language. As well as kids getting songs etc and a bit of dedicated learning. The question really is how and how much. Do we really need to set aside a separate time for it at primary age. I agree the Maths and reading and small group time with the teacher is shockingly low. With kids maybe sitting in kids with a similar ability with the teacher for maths maybe once every couple of weeks. But they could cut down on bureaucracy, massive amount of assemblies, junior assembly, senior assembly, and enviro schools etc.
    
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    December 11, 2018 1:20pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    2nd language…. would you recommend C# or Python? Or do you prefer languages for silicon-block technology like Maori?
    
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    December 11, 2018 1:56pm
duggledog

Man that Waikato Uni degree Jacinda got is better than I thought.

Seems there was a paper in Acting as well.

Puts Lundy’s performance to shame.

Phoney
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December 11, 2018 8:02am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, her phoney sympathy yesterday, was tasteless politicisation of a sad family/personal tragedy. Then to hear bullsh*t this morning about “a ground swell of public sympathy”. The woman is phoney and has no place being PM.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:07am
  - KevOB
    
    Where is the outcry about males being murdered?
    Foreign, young, pretty, foolish and risky–great feminist to do issues.
    Another working group?
    Police to be appointed to chaperone every femme sole under 30 visiting NZ?
    
    Pinching misfortune for politics is despicable.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:36am
    - SGA
      
      Where is the outcry about males being murdered?
      
      Is that new, KevOB? Murders of young women in circumstances such as the recent one have always caused more outcry for as long as I can remember (and I suspect decades before that too).
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:20am
      - sooty
        
        Comrade Candy. How about caring for kiwis..
        It looks like the man was a deportee.
        Just a matter of time. It had to happen.
        Angry wants to let them out.
        Will this be the straw that breaks Labours back.
        Twit ford isa bully.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:26am
- cmm
  
  I didn’t mind the sympathy, apart from the phoneyness.
  
  What bugged me was the apology. I have nothing to apologise about.
  
  Labour do since they want to put crims back on the streets earlier.
  The killer does.
  
  But not me.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:10am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Like Duncan Garner saying “NZ’ers have got to stop killing kids. We kill a child in NZ every five weeks”.
    
    No Duncan. A small proportion of the population are violent toward children and a small population murder children in NZ. I don’t know anyone who has gone to prison, I do not know any criminals, I personally don’t know anyone who bashes his/her partner and certainly not children… Like the majority of NZ’ers, I am not responsible for the tragic killing of children.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:22am
    - Biscuit
      
      Yep, waikatogirl, Duncan’s (and Jacinda’s) royal ‘we’.
      
      Neither of that duo represent my views and, likely, never will.
      
      Jacinda IS the Prime Minister, though, and hence her views are of interest/value to me given that they can impact on my life.
      
      The opinionists who masquerade as journalists these days offer nothing of interest/value…
      
      Child abuse – hell, abuse of any sort – is abhorrent to me … and to the folk I grew up with/associate with.
      
      To lump me (and my pals) in with the ‘we kill’ is plain lame, Duncan.
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:35am
      - GoVege
        
        “We” may not be abusing children, Biscuit, but “we” are sometimes aware that abuse could be going on, and we have a civic duty to alert the authorities.
        
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        December 11, 2018 3:39pm
      - Biscuit
        
        GoVege, nowhere up there did I say I would ignore any such abuse if I came across it.
        
        But I haven’t (come across it).
        
        And don’t expect to come across it.
        
        Jass and Dunc need to focus on the socio-economic group that features heavily at the sharp end of the ‘abuse’ statistics rather than attempt with their ‘we’ to make me feel guilty for same.
        
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        December 11, 2018 4:47pm
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Its actually worse than that WG. The Police, with existing systems, processes and knowledge, can identify which of their “customers” are more likely to kill their children. They are just not allowed to proactively police in that manner.
      
      By bringing together a range of data (benefit payments, police history, petty theft, marital status, location (to the street)) Police have a scarily accurate view of the future.
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:41am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Minority Report territory. That is what big data is. However, for the past 20 years in PC NZ, we have not seen anyone call it as it is or be allowed to address the issue. Without being accused of being racist or racially profiling/stereotyping the offending people.
        
        Much easier to have countless work groups and throw lots of taxpayer money at a problem you don’t intend to fix.
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:42am
    - KevOB
      
      And (surprise) it is much more evident in Maori society than elsewhere. Those violence genes will out.
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:39am
      - kowtow
        
        I don’t accept the violence genes thing.
        
        It’s about making choices and personal responsibility.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:04am
      - KevOB
        
        The violence genes operate so as to give a greater reluctance to violence. Those persons with the full measure of an expression of 4 are peaceful, 3 are violent and 2 are found in Paremremo. They are traceable throughout Polynesia and back into their predecessors in Taiwan.
        
        We do have free will but some limits on being goaded to a vigorous response.
        
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        December 11, 2018 11:45am
      - Jack5
        
        Kevin, the Polynesians were pussy-cats compared with the Vikings, and there are Scandinavian genes are in the British – and now NZ – populations.
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:27pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        I believe that is a wrong headed view – cultural influences are far more influential in this regard. There is a documented small impact correlated with melanin, but you have to normalize for culture to see it in humans.
        
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        December 11, 2018 2:16pm
      - stephieboy
        
        KevOB, the Maori have nothing on the Nazis, Stalin in the 1930s not forgetting the devastation wrought by Europeans in WW 1 and 2 etc, etc.
        
        Nature of Nurture?
        
        Why do you choose to be willfully ignorant of those basic facts?
        
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        December 11, 2018 2:21pm
      - KevOB
        
        I lived in the Pacific for 7 years. The Samoans referred to themselves as the Irishmen of the Pacific.
        A distinctive gene has been isolated as implicated in violence in recent years. Our tribes are not all the same and do not necessarily have the same origins. Among them Nga Puhi are known for violence.
        
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        December 11, 2018 5:24pm
    - GoVege
      
      Do you really think they’re going to ADMIT it, WG?
      Plenty of men knock their wives about.
      They may not kill them in the process, but it still creates a climate of fear in the home that is very damaging.
      Most men don’t beat their kids to death unless they belong to a chauvinist race or it’s not their own flesh and blood.
      
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      December 11, 2018 3:35pm
- calendar girl
  
  I’m not willing personally to share our Prime Minister’s cringe-worthy guilt over the murder in Auckland of a young female British tourist. Of course it was a dreadful murder; and in their own country the British endure their share of such murders as well.
  
  But the whole nation of New Zealand is not in a state of shame over the deeds of one murderous individual, and Ardern should not pretend otherwise in her quest for international attention. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-46502649
  
  At a news conference, the New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said there was an “overwhelming sense of hurt and shame that this has happened in our country”.
  “On behalf of New Zealand, I want to apologise to Grace’s family,” she said.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:12am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    I bet she waited until she knew a bit about the accused before putting on that “performance”
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:16am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Why did she apologise on my behalf for something I had nothing to do with while squeezing out a crocodile tear?
      
      Comms team said it would poll well I guess .
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:25am
      - fernglas
        
        But the Herald says the entire nation is grieving. How can you deny it?
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:24am
      - sooty
        
        Bring back hanging.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:27am
      - lifesgood
        
        Well we’ve all had to apologise for the maori grievances we had nothing to do with, haven’t we? That makes me hopping mad too.
        
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        December 11, 2018 11:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        lifesgood , always on hand to make an irrelevant and meaningless point
        
        harvey wilson , as if Joe and Jane Public out there beyond the KB rabid right bubble chamber actually cares.
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:33pm
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    From the woman who leads a party that supports slavery and child abuse, its all a bit rich really.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    Can someone explain why she has ILG on the stage next to her?
    
    You’d think she would have the Min Justice (Little) or Min Police (Nash) or maybe even Min Tourism (Davis), but somehow it makes sense to have ILG there.
    
    Is this because the stage show is intended to milk the feelz for her and ILG to counter the Sroubek mess?
    
    Nothing else makes any sense to me.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:26am
    - sooty
      
      If you are going to be sleazed, you have to have the sleaze.
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:29am
  - KevOB
    
    I cringed at her “apology”.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      KevOB, cringe? Then thats got to be good!
      
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      December 11, 2018 1:34pm
  - RF
    
    Jesus.. how low can you go. The PM has proved herself to be a self centred media whore by going public with the apology.
    
    If she had any integrity she could have quietly arranged for a meeting or personal message with the family. Instead she turned it into a media circus.
    
    It’s all about her.. disgusting little brat.
    
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    December 11, 2018 11:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      RF, hold a mirror up to yourself and what do you see?
      
      https://hvparent.com/the-spoiled-child
      
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      December 11, 2018 1:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    A woman makes a claim about the man charged with murder of the young British backpacker, Grace Millane…
    
    The 30-year-old woman says she was in internet contact with the man who has been charged with murdering Grace, and that she was to have met him today, Tuesday.
    
    She says she and the man charged talked of moving to Australia together.
    
    https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/i-was-supposed-to-meet-the-man-charged-with-killing-backpacker-grace-millane-20181211-p50leg.html
    
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    December 11, 2018 1:38pm
- jv
  
  An emo all about me staged performance
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:30am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Crying when kids were abused for the third time at a youth camp would have been more appropriate.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:59am
  - harvey wilson
    
    JV it’s exactly what you’d expect from someone who worked for Tony “ wmd” Blair . Complete and total cynicism and opportunism
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:55am
- insider
  
  Even worse was her saying we need to address domestic violence. What the hell has that got to do with a hook up gone bad?
  
  Or is she implying the parents of the accused are abusive and violent, and to blame for his lack of moral fibre? If so, why is she being briefed in such detail?
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:05am
  - GoVege
    
    Your post sounds a bit like the obnoxious juror after O J Simpson was acquitted claiming that his DV had “nothing” to do with Nicole’s murder.
    
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    December 11, 2018 3:48pm
    - insider
      
      That is an utterly stupid statement. Oj was clearly in a domestic arrangement with his ex wife.
      
      If I harmed someone I met the day before, which it appears to be the situation in this case, it can hardly be described as domestic violence when you don’t have any form of domestic arrangement.
      
      Ardern linking the two issues is highly inappropriate, and your comparison is odious as well as ignorant.
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:50pm
- thetiedarch
  
  Particularly annoying to see the Herald pushing the line of how dangerous it is to be a female traveler in this country. Publishing a list of those killed in NZ since (about) 1989.
  
  That number is about 9 – which is 1 every 3 or so years. Still not good, but I wonder if that is in line with most other countries.
  
  Traveling overseas on your own, no matter where you go is inherently dangerous. To make it out like NZ should be ashamed just pisses people off.
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:07am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    <Blaming every male in NZ for a "lone wolf" murderer?
    
    Much faux guilty virtue-signalling from the usual MSM soy boys. If all NZ men are to be condemned for “NZ men’s violence to women” – then it’s OK to say all Muslims are evil because ot the Arianna Grande concert bombing.
    
    Can’t have it both ways. But best to ban Muslims from coming to NZ just in case eh?
    
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    December 11, 2018 1:28pm
igm

The apology for unelected PM does not even know where money comes from she and her scum are wasting. I am sick of hearing this harridan quoting how they are spending government monies . . . it is not government money, it is bloody taxpayers!
Another new word in the English language from this vile crockery-faced mare: “LEDDERS”.
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December 11, 2018 8:03am
- KevOB
  
  She announced yesterday(?) that they were not going to increase ACC car levies and were to cut employer levies. That I suspect was the Macron scare affecting her.
  Having told the unions they have no more money for pay claims isn’t she teasing them?
  
  Taxcinda aims to run a one-woman-government.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:45am
Manolo

Mrs May on the brink:
http://news.trust.org/item/20181210154633-ygpjh

British Prime Minister Theresa May on Monday abruptly postponed a parliamentary vote on her Brexit deal on Monday, throwing Britain’s plan to leave the European Union into chaos after admitting that she faced a rout.
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December 11, 2018 8:04am
- hullkiwi
  
  May another person who should never have made it to the premiership of her country.
  
  She has got exactly what she deserves. Her dealings and negotiations have been duplicitous from the start.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:11am
- howitis
  
  I see dumb diddly dumb dumb Garner on Tv3 reckons (much of his hilarious ill-thought out babble starts with ‘I reckon….’) that Britain should just abandon Brexit.
  Oh, it’s too hard.
  
  That is exactly what Treason May is going for- take hold, make it look too difficult and tank it.
  It is deliberate. May has chosen a path to democracy destruction on behalf of her EU handlers.
  
  Hey, why don’t we just ignore the 2017 elections and leave Nats in charge; why don’t we ignore the flag referendum and change it anyway.
  Just work on Feelz.
  Make enough noise and disruption so things don’t progress.
  Para 1; Page 1; Chapter 1 of the lefties handbook.
  I submit as evidence the Kavanaugh hearings.
  
  Does Garner even have a clue?
  Rhetorical Q!
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:38am
  - Eh?
    
    Did I correctly hear the leader of the UK Green Party on TV last night discussing Brexit with the phrase “the will of the people should not be thwarted by a vote of the people”?
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:52am
    - KevOB
      
      The UK PM is in a very hard place. She would not be thanked if the UK simply upped stakes. Millions of livelihoods would be at immediate stake. Some leeway around the edges is needed. The UK banks would be in jeopardy, travel would be impossible, customs?
      The will of the people without foresight could create an impossible mess.
      The proposed deal allows an orderly exit without serious disruption. The parties would need to keep working at the severance of the 50 yr ties. But loosing the Eurocrats law making would be an immediate gain.
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:56am
      - howitis
        
        Treason May has had since March last year to construct something decent.
        When Exit/EU was triggered in March 2017 the Government – the ones holding the cards- had 2 years to execute .
        
        May has used multiple tactics to stall Brexit to make it look bad and tank it.
        The nasty bitch even called a snap election to stall things and pissed away a Conservative majority to end up beholden to the DUP.
        (not sexist, if perpetrator was male I would call the person a prick for doing this)
        Anything to scuttle Brexit.
        Anything!
        
        Lies are stock in trade for these type.
        Sound familiar?
        
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        December 11, 2018 11:14am
Southern Raider

I hear Auckland Transport have announced major roadworks on Quay Street from Boxing Day and proudly stated “Quay St will be permanently reduced to two lanes”.

That road is currently four lanes and the only real cross CBD route from Eastern Suburbs to North Side of city. It’s going to be a complete cluster fuck and permanent traffic jam. As it is in peak hours this route is already a car park.
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December 11, 2018 8:07am
- cmm
  
  Remind me why anyone goes to the CBD any more?
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:11am
  - Lance
    
    Masochism?
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      Rape & murder?
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:57am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Our suburbs will become our villages again, more local shopping and restaurants and community spirit. Sounds quite good, as long as visiting another ‘village’ doesn’t become impossible due to traffic problems.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:20am
  - Simon
    
    “Remind me why anyone goes to the CBD any more?”
    
    A lot of CBD businesses are immigration scams. They dont make money but are for business visa purposes. The council are happy as they pay rates etc.
    
    There are nice areas just out side of CBD but actual Auckland CBD is a shit hole.
    
    Auckland Transport (oxymoron) is one of the worst ideology driven organisation that no one voted for in NZ.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:24am
    - Biscuit
      
      Simon, the best description I ever heard of Auckland:
      
      Super Shitty
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:37am
    - lifesgood
      
      Auckland CBD – Full of obese begging maoris.
      
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      December 11, 2018 11:59am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Through it to get to work. If you live in eastern suburbs also quickest way to north shore
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:33am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I go to the CBD because it reminds me of Hong Kong. I had a lovely holiday in Hong Kong and the ferry across to Kowloon was beautiful. I loved all the Chinese people as they milled around busily on the streets with their noodle stalls and the colourful Eastern smiling faces. Just like Auckland CBD. Full of the promise of the orient….
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:41am
    - kiwibird
      
      I have been in SE Asia for the last 6 months – Sick to death of noodles . Can,t wait to come home and when I want to eat noodles again I will come back to SE Asia.
      
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      December 11, 2018 11:35am
    - Jack5
      
      Dave are you saying Hong Kong should call one of its traditional restaurant areas Aucklandtown?
      
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      December 11, 2018 3:20pm
    - Inandout
      
      Try Sydney CBD, it is like spot a white.
      
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      December 12, 2018 4:01pm
  - Inandout
    
    To see the tramps.
    
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    December 12, 2018 3:46pm
- Lance
  
  It should be “Auckland Public Transport” as they hate cars.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:13am
  - howitis
    
    Not quite right.
    
    When Auckland Transport were placed out in Henderson in the old Waitakere Council building they were meant to ‘eat their own dogfood’ and catch trains to meetings in town.
    This took too long so they used private and council cars as well as a shuttle bus – which was under utilised.
    They do like private cars, nice smelly, oil-burning ones.
    They just don’t want the proletariat using private cars!
    A big F.U. to the Komrades.
    
    This problem of having to be seen to share public transport with the great unwashed has been solved by moving AT to the Central city in the old Vodafone building.
    This move added to transport woes by centralising instead of decentralising eg Hundreds of staff have to go into the central city each day at peak times instead of being decentralised in Henderson and Smales Farm.
    
    Oh and remember if you want to use those marvellous trains tomorrow beware:
    ….A total of 105 train services will not run on Wednesday as union staff members clock off for a meeting.
    Auckland Transport (AT) said members would attend the meeting from 11am to 1pm but trains would be cancelled approximately two hours either side of the meeting as well….
    
    So, 2 hour stop work meeting that disrupts for 6 hours, but it is not a strike under Chairwoman Cindy’s plan of ‘no strikes under my watch’
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:34am
- hullkiwi
  
  SR, it is part of the mega plan to get cars out of the city and turn it into a pedistrianised haven. All will rely on public transport to go to the city.
  
  ….and just watch businesses go to the wall….
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:16am
- Southern Raider
  
  Will be great to have a pedestrian walk way on Quay St so we can get a clean view of all the cars parked on the port wharf
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:38am
Sofia

Pike River
Why can’t you put fresh air up to the roof fall?
 That area of the drift has coal (the vast majority of the drift is built in stone), and has previously been on fire. Fresh air could reignite a fire because it can react with coal or any methane emitted from coal in the roof fall area. So we need to keep fresh air away, and maintain the atmosphere over the roof fall in nitrogen.
– https://www.pikeriverrecovery.govt.nz/background/draft/

The so-called “rockfall” is about 2.3 km from the entry, but apparently may not be rock, hence the rarer reference “roof fall”.

So will that area be examined under the constraints of breathing apparatus, effecting perhaps work and numbers involved, in what may be assumed to be a crucial area of the drift.

Does “fresh air could reignite a fire because it can react with coal or any methane emitted from coal” actually mean “spontaneous combustion” and how do you divvy up the chances or control of that?

Whose responsibility again is this?
Is not “the top person making the decision, but not accepting liability”, as irresponsible as the corporate attitude commonly touted as contributing of the tragedy in the first place?
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December 11, 2018 8:08am
- flipper
  
  What you are saying is that the Little/Peters/Monk business is a load of teeth awaiting DNA analysis. Just a waste of $30 – $4r0 million. But then it is not them paying …. and Monk et al have already banked their massive compensation.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:16am
- Dave Mann
  
  Sorry to put a damper on this…. but I’m beginning to get a bit bored with Pike Bloody River. Well… more than a bit bored TBH…
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:45am
flipper

So W O H B and his “psychos” have swallowed the URM/Labour hit job on Bridges and National to continue their own misconceived campaign against them. Sad, but just confirmation that W O H B has become as bad as the Standard. Albeit from the right.
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December 11, 2018 8:09am
- waldonz
  
  What do you expect?
  
  They are clearly pushing an agenda.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:24am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Which is why many of us found our way over here and happily washed our hands of the dirty whaleoil.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:25am
- pdm
  
  I wouldn’t call christie a psycho. He/she writes some good stuff.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:25am
- KevOB
  
  Ignore them and they will self explode. Bullies (Labour etc) go berserk when ignored.
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:03am
gorse

Just did a really silly thing – took a peak at Whaleoil. There they are, bashing up Simon Bridges again. Those people are totally a waste of time. They are so far of the pulse of the people. They don’t realise how irrelevant their opinions are.
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December 11, 2018 8:10am
- oldgolfer
  
  Wash your hands. Now.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    Slater is a vindictive, fat, greasy slob. I suspect his father is ashamed of him and if he isn’t he should be.
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  His approval rating for PM is only 9%
  
  LOL!
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:37am
  - waldonz
    
    So what?
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ignore the sad wee girl that steffy has become.
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:01am
      - howitis
        
        Goats don’t get that option!
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:39am
  - Harkman
    
    True but what’s his party at in the polls?
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:59am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Rape-denier Stuffy is a Taxinda fan.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:11am
  - KevOB
    
    And yours?
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:13am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Ever calculated your approval rating, Galah?
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:15am
- Biscuit
  
  Whale Oil c2018 in fifteen words:
  
  Key/English/Bridges was/is bad
  So is anyone but Collins
  Wanna buy some meat?
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:40am
  - VicParking
    
    Not quite right Biscuit, also Wanna buy a tea Shirt.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:51am
    - Biscuit
      
      And the mugs, Vic!
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:59am
  - Harkman
    
    “Wanna buy some meat?” Priceless ?
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:00am
  - brett68
    
    It’s not Collins they want as leader, she’s just a useful distraction.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:53am
secondcumming

It’s another beautiful morning in the country’s Powerhouse.

I took Boner for his walk up at the park earlier on, and found a ticket to the *Charlie Pride Concert* that somebody had left nailed to a tree. So I took it.

You never know when a nail might come in handy.
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December 11, 2018 8:12am
- pdm
  
  sc – has the boner gone down?
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:26am
  - MCos
    
    Boner – 2nd cumming – handy
    
    I’m sure there’s a code in there somewhere?
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:45am
    - secondcumming
      
      Smartest *Retriever* ever…..he’s already circled May 4 on his calendar 😎
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:49am
Pascal

Has there been any word on the Air New Zealand Strike yet? I’ve been turning over a few pages in the MSM and it’s all the bias of Trump’s evils and Ardern’s apologies.
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December 11, 2018 8:14am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes the MSM bias is unbelievable
  
  When National get back in they need to sack all the news room people in any and all government owned media, and replace them with extreme right people!
  
  Then see how the left like it!
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:17am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    No, just get rid of all government owned media. If they can’t be unbiased, they have no value.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:31am
- Paulus
  
  Air NZ -Teachers can’t happen “not on her watch” !
  Awaiting the Cook Straight men to join them for Christmas.
  Just like to good old days.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:31am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Are you suggesting that only the heterosexual Cook Strait ferry workers will go on strike?
    
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    December 11, 2018 11:23am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You mean the engineers who already earn, on average, $115k per annum, who can’t be arsed walking more than 500m from the car park to work, and want the right to pull the same stunt at the same time next year?
  
  Or is there another Air NZ strike in the offing?
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:37am
  - Pascal
    
    Keeping Stock, exactly that one. We’re flying to Japan on the 22nd for my wife’s 50th, so if things are turning to custard I’m tempted to try and make a different plan.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:42am
  - itstricky
    
    There are cleaners and store workers included as well. And since when has anyone on KB started dissing what people fairly earn for their skills in the market place?
    
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    December 11, 2018 5:31pm
srylands

It is bizarre that the courts issue name suppression. The name and photo of the alleged killer of the British traveller is all over the UK press.
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December 11, 2018 8:15am
- Classic Liberal
  
  That’s why global control over everything is needed.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    “needed”…….wanted by the left to “control” outcomes.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:03am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I was being sarcastic. Come on, you know me better than that by now…
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:30am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I looked yesterday, and the mainstream were observing the suppression order. It’s been rumoured he is an Auzzie deportee. Any truth to this? I still can’t understand why this POS has name suppression.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:56am
  - KevOB
    
    He has the same processing as others before the criminal Courts. He may be charged but he will probably not have entered a plea. I understand he has been remanded to re-appear on Jan 23.
    
    Yesterday would have been about charging and showing the Court why he should be remanded in custody when nothing has been proved and he has not agreed. These are ancient safeguards of liberty at work. The suspect is being securely held while the Police prepare their case and also while the suspect prepares his responses to their charges.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:24am
    - KevOB
      
      Update:
      The Judge ordered the name to be allowed to be published.
      The defendant’s lawyer immediately gave notice of appeal of that order.
      That meant an automatic suppression for 20 days pending the appeal.
      
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      December 11, 2018 11:53am
laworder

If you havent already signed the petition for the Government to reject the UN Migration Compact, I’d suggest do so now. This Government will probably sign us up regardless to this thing, but the pressure needs to be kept on National to stay away from it

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_82367/petition-of-carol-sakey-new-zealand-government-to-reject

The Wikipaedia page on it is interesting. Read the bit titled Substance of the Agreement;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Compact_for_Migration

Included in that are;

The agreement calls for governments to “educate” journalists, including directives on “terminology” media professionals are to use

and

Rights granted to illegal immigrants and to legal ones are the same

At the very bottom is a section containing criticisms while I’ll quote in full;

The Chancellor of Austria, Sebastian Kurz, stated that the compact would reduce Austria’s sovereignty and mix up the difference between illegal and legal immigration as well as that between economic and humanitarian immigration.

The Australian government has criticized the agreement, claiming that it does not distinguish between legal and illegal migrants, particularly when it comes to welfare. They have also claimed that the compact could impose obligations to support migrants even when they have returned to their country of origin. The Australian government believes that the compact would undermine their current migration policies.

Goal 17, which condemns discrimination against migrants, has been criticized due to measures for “shaping the perception of migration”. Dutch MEP Marcel de Graaff raised issues with the proposal to defund news outlets espousing anti-migration rhetoric and stated that the pact could be used to criminalize political criticism

Austria, Australia, the USA, Israel, Italy, Bulgaria, Chile, Dominican Republic, Hungary, Poland and Switzerland are not signing up to this. They arent stupid.

Regards
Peter Jenkins
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December 11, 2018 8:15am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Mike Hosking either hasn’t done his research, or he likes this idea: “governments to “educate” journalists, including directives on “terminology” media professionals are to use”.
  
  He said this morning he wasn’t ‘fazed’ by NZ signing the Pact.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:36am
- Pascal
  
  Why do we need to keep pressure on National? They are not supporting it and would pull NZ out of it.
  
  https://www.national.org.nz/national_would_pull_nz_out_of_un_migration_pact
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:44am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    But when even Hosking is ‘not fazed’ by it, too many people won’t learn what the risks are – until it’s too late and some of the ‘objectives’ are enshrined in our laws.
    
    Yes, keep on the pressure.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:33am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Every time someone pretends it allows us to keep our own border control, this is one UN Pact phrase to quote: ” to govern migration within their jurisdiction, *in conformity with international law*.”
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:50am
- simpleton1
  
  Now 23 countries that will not sign
  Chile has just said NO.
  Australia, Austria, Bulgaria, Chile, China, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Korea, Switzerland, United States.
  
  Belgium’s government now being a minority government over this signing issue.
  
  Simon Bridges declares that he does not agree with the “UN global migration pact”
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/377887/watch-simon-bridges-on-the-un-migration-pact
  
  As soon as “Non-binding” convention is adopted, the NGOs and liberal law professors will be urging the courts to hold that it constitutes binding customary international law.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:02am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe these 23 nations value their sovereignty and their native cultures and customs.
    
    Can’t get workers?
    
    Let the market decide. Increase wages, invest in labor-saving mechanization, or go out of business.
    
    Increase wages: Will attract better workers from the local population.
    Invest in labor-saving mechanization: will increase productivity and will require advanced skills to maintain the systems and to develop improved versions.
    Go out of business: Leave the market to more efficient operators.
    
    Bringing in unskilled workers suppresses wages and may also create social friction if they are from an incompatible culture.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:28am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “if they are from an incompatible culture”
      
      Which is something you may no longer be allowed to say:
      
      “Goal 17, which condemns discrimination against migrants, has been criticized due to measures for “shaping the perception of migration”. Dutch MEP Marcel de Graaff raised issues with the proposal to defund news outlets espousing anti-migration rhetoric and stated that the pact could be used to criminalize political criticism.[73][74]”
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Compact_for_Migration
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:39am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “if they are from an incompatible culture” and
        “discrimination against migrants”
        are not the same thing.
        
        Good migrants who support their host culture and wish to build their host nation are an asset.
        
        Is it wrong to discriminate against people who would mean you harm?
        
        Discrimination is all about freedom of choice. Ban “discrimination” and you are attempting to take away a peoples’ freedom of choice. They will not give up that freedom without a fight.
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:50am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Odakyu-sen, you and I and some people here understand all that.
        
        But I can assure you that the UN and many Leftards do not. Did you every watch the HR Commission Canada questioning Ezra Levant:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlLN1TMQHiA
        
        Background: “In February 2006, the ‘Western Standard’ Magazine, of which Ezra Levant was a founder, re-published the now famous Muhammad cartoons from a Danish ‘Jyllands-Posten’ newspaper. This led to a Canadian Muslim public figure Syed Soharwardy filing a complaint with Alberta Human Rights and Immigration Commission. The video depicts questioning of Ezra Levant as part of the proceedings in the review of the complaint.”
        
        Expect much more of this kind of thing once this Pact is signed. Some of the comments on this site will have to be taken down.
        
        Freedom of Speech cannot exist when an ideology can’t be criticised.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:04am
DigNap15

There was one of the Word picture things I saw yesterday

Simon Bridges every single word was negative

Jacinda Ardern – Every single word was positive

Did they only question Labour Pardy supporders
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December 11, 2018 8:15am
- Keeping Stock
  
  As I have commented at the other post, polling was undertaken at lunchtime at Fraser House and Trades Hall.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:38am
  - VicParking
    
    And Stephies Lounge, Thats six votes
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:55am
oldpark

Question might be . If the Islamic Federation generated UN Migration Pact is so innocuous and Commie Chic Comrade Ardern the small town twerp is busting her knickers to sign it. Wonder why so many other more switched on Nations like USA or Australia have refused to sign the Muslim generated UN Migration Pact.Sounds like Ardern SLG is dancing to the tune of UNs clones in NZ Helen Clark and heather Simpson. What a bloody indictment. Peters the renegade and the far left lunatic Green Party are also culpable in signing the odious document.Chameleon Peters is the architect of all things that affect the well being of NZs,by allowing lie-bour/green to dominate the manipulation of the type of direction the country is headed for . In essence The Socialist Republic of South Pacific.
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December 11, 2018 8:15am
- simpleton1
  
  A way of making illegal migrants to become irregular migrants, with powers to change the host’s legal systems.
  
  17 c) “promote independent, objective and quality reporting of media outlets, including internet-based information, including by sensitizing and educating media professionals on migration-related issues and terminology, investing in ethical reporting standards and advertising and stopping allocation of public funding or material support to media outlets that systematically promote intolerance, xenophobia, racism and other forms of discrimination towards migrants, in full respect for the freedom of the media.”
  
  https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/sites/default/files/180713_agreed_outcome_global_compact_for_migration.pdf on page 24 then on page 25
  
  d) Establish mechanisms to prevent, detect and respond to racial, ethnic and religious profiling
  of migrants by public authorities, as well as systematic instances of intolerance,
  xenophobia, racism and all other multiple and intersecting forms of discrimination in
  partnership with National Human Rights Institutions, including by tracking and publishing
  trends analyses, and ensuring access to effective complaint and redress mechanisms
  
  — “in full respect for the freedom of the media” — as if the entire paragraph preceding it didn’t just negate the notion of press freedom.
  
  — then to add other institutions such Human Rights Commissions, tribunals courts, with powers to fine etc., etc.
  
  This will all be called for by NGO’s, liberal professors, taught in universities and colleges.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:36am
Simon

Globo turd Macron forced to end climate change tax on fuel. However looking at new wealth tax instead to help fund the budget short fall.

Proof that climate change fraud is all about taxation.

The mong Cindy how they must laugh at her, May, Macron, Trudeau & Merkel. Dont close down an industry you are supposed to tax it to hell you silly little girl.

I think the Mong princess got the memo in the end.
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December 11, 2018 8:15am
MrTips

I would encourage everyone here if they can bothered to OIA communications between Sinead Boucher, Tracey Watkins, Patrick Crewdson, Simon Wilson, Tova O’Brien and the PMs office. Keep it to a short period of time (less than a week) and one form eg. emails.

It’s proving very interesting.

The media/Labour alliance need to know they are being watched.
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December 11, 2018 8:17am
- Zapper
  
  https://fyi.org.nz/new/jacinda_ardern
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:49am
- Harkman
  
  I’ll try to publish the list I’ve kept of the ideology of nz media figures. I wasn’t sure if I could be sued for publishing it. Anyhow there are only 3-4 who aren’t left leaning in NZ: Leighton, Hosking, Williams and Richardson (Lawsie wasn’t either). All the rest are lefty or centrists.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:08am
Huevon

I, for one, can’t fucking wait for these two weeks to be over. Happy Christmas, kiwibloggers
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December 11, 2018 8:17am
- DigNap15
  
  No its Happy Holidays.
  I just saw Ellen degenerates tv show.
  Its Happy Holidays
  
  The left wing sjw really piss me off!
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:21am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Notice how they don’t call the celebrations in other cultures happy holidays to appease to others, if you don’t want to celebrate it then fine but it’s Christmas, it’s a holiday for a specific reason so it should always remain that way.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:46am
    - KevOB
      
      Jesus: the Reason for the Season.
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:31am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        If you have a direct line to Senior Management upstairs, could you please ask why snails were invented, or is it just one of those ‘mysterious ways’ things.
        
        Asking on behalf of gardeners everywhere.
        
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        December 11, 2018 11:57am
- VicParking
  
  Ditto.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:56am
Classic Liberal

Hosking this morning “not fazed” by the UN Migration Pact.

Says people have written to him that it’s of concern but not persuaded him, that it’s just a usual exercises in virtue-signalling.

He’s vastly naive.

If you have written to him, what arguments did you use?
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December 11, 2018 8:17am
- Classic Liberal
  
  ‘exercise’, sorry.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:41am
Lance

I had the misfortune to listen to Cindy on Hosking’s show this morning.
Wow, she is a black belt at not answering the question.
She just made a string of statements talking up the govt that were only vaguely linked to the direct question asked.
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December 11, 2018 8:20am
- Poppa
  
  Unfortunately I listened as well. Normally I change stations when I hear her voice but decided to endure it today.
  
  God she actually believes what comes out her mouth! What I have noticed more & more is her total arrogance & speaking down to people. She is power driven & has contempt for anyone with a different view
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:31am
  - DigNap15
    
    And what was the maori word she slipped in to her speech?
    (Not in this case maybe) but most beatings and robberies and rapes of our tourists are commited by maori people.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:36am
    - igm
      
      Did you not hear talking about “Ledders” . . . she seems to have changed the pronounciation of yet another word.
      
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      December 11, 2018 8:53am
      - calendar girl
        
        Ardern’s mispronunciation of the letter ‘t’ when it appears within ordinary English words is astonishing, and often embarrassing. She is well aware of her specific speech defect, so why has she not taken determined steps to eradicate it? (She is, after all, a university graduate in “communications”, so should know something about these issues.) Is she too self-centred (or too lazy) to undertake such defined and beneficial self-improvement?
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:27am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    One can hear when she smiles. Sometimes she seems to do so at very inappropriate times during an answer!
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:54am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yup, her voice has the same effect on #metoo.
    
    Nash is about the only one I will listen to. Angry Andy can come across OK on occasions, and even Robertson is tolerable, but SLG, Hipkins, ILG and Twatford do my head in.
    
    This is not to say I agree with the drivel sprouted by Andy and SweetCheeks, just they don’t have me hitting the “off” button.
    
    Muppetts. the lot of them.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Who cares other than an insignificant band of rabid right rabble.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:58am
    - Manolo
      
      Those of us who care to speak and pronounce English properly, dear stephieboy (heavy accent aside!) 🙂
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:34am
      - VicParking
        
        Manolo you have to understand that Stephie only understands “Bleat, Baa and Whine”
        
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        December 11, 2018 12:46pm
    - pentwig
      
      you must care stupidthing
      why else would you be here among us?
      explaining comments for you to understand as if a 5 year old is getting tiresome though
      
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      December 11, 2018 12:41pm
kowtow

The Chinese bitching about the lawful and due process arrest of one of their elites ( Hwa wei CFO ) , massive media coverage.
Chinese also using old cold war rhetoric to threaten peaceful nations

‘China has ratcheted up the pressure on Canada to release the detained executive of Huawei Technologies over the weekend by threatening “grave consequences” and accusing Canada of “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people”, escalating the case into one of the worst diplomatic rows between Beijing and Ottawa.’ SCMP

At the same time , though religion has protection under their constitution (bwahahahaha) …….

‘About 100 worshippers at an unofficial church in southwestern China were snatched from their homes or from the streets in coordinated raids which began on Sunday evening.’

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/2177263/100-snatched-china-church-raids-overnight
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December 11, 2018 8:22am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And something like a million Uighurs currently interred in concentration camps where they are tortured and murdered with impunity. Chinese cannot complain about the rule of law outside of china given state of things in China.
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:48am
- Viking2
  
  Read todays Croaking Cassandra. Helen Clark was nearby.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:21pm
Happychappy

It looks like Our Top Cop has taken offence at the way National went after Wally Haumaha his top selection or could Winston and the Coalition have him in their back pocket after the release of Simon Bridges apparently begging for him to release the name of the MP who leaked all of the details of Simon’s Simon’s travel expenses and then wrote a letter saying he had mental health issues and should not be named. In all my years of following politics I have never seen the Police Commissioner take sides as he is supposed to be impartial but this is the second time in a year that our highest Police Officer has played the game of politics to help the reigning Government.
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December 11, 2018 8:23am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Is this the same cop who came out with a carefully worded statement about how Jacinduhs live in boyfriend is not part of any active or current investigation.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:34am
  - igm
    
    Maybe there is another chapter due in this ongoing saga of Jethro and his close associates.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:55am
  - VicParking
    
    True… he was out the back mowing the lawn.
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:58am
  - RF
    
    Yes…. the same cop who has a DIC conviction that would normally disqualify a Police applicant…..
    
    Double standards….
    
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    December 11, 2018 11:33am
- DigNap15
  
  Its funny but the previous Police Commisioner was often on tv.
  This latest one you hardly hear his name!
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:41am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    There’s a lot of gossip about Jethro and his friend Sroubek (or whatever his name is this week), but the PC is silent.
    I wonder why.
    
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    December 11, 2018 1:18pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      As an aside..but still on the Sroubek issue – It seems Richie Hardcore’s site is now down for maintenance. But here is a cached version. 3 photos of Hardcore with Jacinda, where he says he is a huge fan, and is campaigning with her on Get out the Vote. The public deserves to know who made submissions on Sroubek.
      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8fD6dvvT4e4J:richiehardcore.co.nz/wp-gallery-2-columns/+&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz
      
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      December 11, 2018 1:54pm
      - starboard
        
        Wow. That is very, very interesting. The jigsaw is almost complete.
        
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        December 11, 2018 6:02pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        Richie Hardcore youth anti-drug campaigner in schools – is now a pro legalisation advocate promoting the legalisation of MDMA. From Richie Hardcore’s facebook “think of your favorite Instagram influencer promoting wine or a name brand vodka and how there’s no age restriction on who views that, and yet the obvious social harm excessive alcohol use causes, and conversely, the harsh custodial sentences people convicted of selling MDMA face. MDMA isn’t good for you and too much of it over the years can have lasting neurological impacts but it’s a scientific fact that it by far and away less harmful than alcohol. It’s the illegality of it that makes it more dangerous as you have no ideas it’s purity or what it’s cut with. If it was legally available, with say, age controls, it would be much safer. The legislation makes no sense right?”
        
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        December 11, 2018 6:58pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  The letters were released under the Official Information Act, do in partial defence of the Commissioner, he probably had no option but release them.
  
  Note however that Tova O’Brien is the one peddling the story, and her desire to get Bridges’ head on a platter has long overtaken any semblance of objectivity she might have. Every piece she writes on the subject needs to be read through that lens.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:42am
Simon

Child poverty still a big problem in NZ.

Come on Mong Princess you have $90 billion in annual income. Said you would fix the problem.

Sort your shit out what is the hold up?
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December 11, 2018 8:28am
- igm
  
  Ask a few cops where extra benefit money went?
  Seems bottle stores, takeaways, drug dealers, et al, are thriving . . . what happened to “Think of the Children”?
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:34am
  - Biscuit
    
    igm, just about everything this Government has spent money on is bizarrely-focussed:
    
    * Phil’s Kiwibuild which now turns out to be doing anything but helping ‘the housing crisis’
    * Winston’s pretty horses tax credits
    * Free tertiary education to all this year .. even to those who don’t need the financial assistance
    * Ditto re the Winter Energy payment to each and every pensioner regardless of his/her financial status
    * Loads of dollars to the island nations
    * Umpteen dollars to help Andrew Little feel better over the Pike River calamity that his own Union surely had a big part in causing…
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:49am
  - freethinker
    
    They just thought about the children then pissed the extra up a wall.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:02am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, lots of all day parties in my street!
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:23am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      Yes, lots of all day parties in my street!
      
      The way we do it in feraland is three days of partying and takeaway/delivered food then you have to put up with the kids crying for another four days because they are hungry.
      
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      December 11, 2018 3:04pm
      - igm
        
        No the breeders of these ferals then expect taxpayers to feed them at school.
        
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        December 11, 2018 3:49pm
  - Fletch
    
    Wots, wots, wots, going to happen to the tots?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkIoMsdrj9s
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:34am
    - starboard
      
      Oh, that’s gold..pure gold Fletch.
      
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      December 11, 2018 5:49pm
  - Komata
    
    IGM
    
    The ‘children’ WERE thought of, but only fleetingly, after which the parent/s decided that their ‘drug of choice’ was FAR more important than such trfles as food for said small humans and acted accordingly…
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:07pm
- VicParking
  
  If we have 100,000 Starving childern why hasn’t the UN And Save the Childern arrived with emergency aid.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:00am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Simon, hasn’t the way we measure ‘child poverty’ ensured we will actually never get rid of it? Unless the only poor people earning less than x% of the average income are childless people.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:20am
- KevOB
  
  That was another academic beat up. Labour PR team again?
  The worst thing for any child poverty was the selection of the COL.
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:36am
secondcumming

*QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER*

Q3. Secondcumming to the Minister of Justice:
Does he agree with the Prime Minister’s apology to the Millane family, when she said, “On behalf of New Zealand, I would like to apologise to Grace’s family. Your daughter should have been safe here and she wasn’t. I hope that if the alleged scumbag is convicted for her murder, he will spend the rest of his useless fucking life behind bars” ?

[Well OK, I made that last bit up, but you can see what I did there eh]

Full transcript here…..
https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1072018084125442048
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December 11, 2018 8:29am
- stephieboy
  
  secondcumming, our society advances civilised values and norms.
  
  Not your crude and primitive ones which are of no comfort or consolation to Grace’s family.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:47am
  - ztev
    
    SB, exactly!
    
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    December 11, 2018 11:04am
    - geoff3012
      
      Who let you out?
      
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      December 11, 2018 11:51am
      - Jack5
        
        Here let Ztev out? Here you are, Geoff:
        https://youtu.be/Qkuu0Lwb5EM
        
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        December 11, 2018 8:29pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Another outrageously stupid comment from the resident galah.
    Who are you to suppose what comforts or consoles Grace’s family?
    Putting murderers behind bars is crude and primitive?
    Our society advances civilised values and norms – yours clearly doesn’t.
    
    See your doctor
    Sigh
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:05pm
  - mark15
    
    Go light them a candle then
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:09pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Bet the accused would like to get a coupla complete fukwits like them two on the jury…..BoL!!!
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:41pm
DigNap15

Instead of Andrew Little banging on about the need for name suppression he should say what he thinks would be fair punishment for the murdered when they are found guilty.

Does he think Home D would be appropriate or a family group conference, or 200 hours of communidy work?

What will keep us safe Andrew?
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December 11, 2018 8:33am
- igm
  
  This greasy “Little” unionist deserves to be a direct recipient of one of these thugs when they commit a serious crime.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:36am
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15, certainly name suppression is controversial but it is based on the presumption of innocence until trial before a court of law and found Guilty as charged.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:50am
  - cmm
    
    Complete and utter rubbish
    
    Name suppression has nothing to do with the presumption of innocence.
    
    Name suppression is often even applied for people who have been found guilty.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:59am
  - calendar girl
    
    Most people charged in Court with criminal offences do not receive name suppression. So, stephie, how is name suppression tied intrinsically (as you imply) to the “presumption of innocence”?
    
    Such presumption applies whether or not name suppression is sought or granted.
    
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    December 11, 2018 11:33am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Name suppression based on presumption of innocence?
    In your galaxy is no one named until found guilty?
    That isn’t how it works in our world.
    
    Sigh
    
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    December 11, 2018 1:21pm
  - MH
    
    perhaps he could enter the PR mine first?
    
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    December 11, 2018 2:21pm
  - DigNap15
    
    You must be wrong their Stephie.
    The name suppression will be lifted in 20 days.
    Well before he goes to trial.
    
    If they were serious about name suppression it would be enforced until the result of the trail is known.
    
    In case the guy is innocent and his name and that of his family is besmirched.
    
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    December 11, 2018 4:48pm
Zapper

The piece of scum who murdered Grace Millane can easily be identified on a google search. DPF – I just wanted to note you appear to be following his Facebook page, you may want to unfollow now he has revealed his true character.

I get that it’s a shocking situation and doesn’t reflect well on the country but what’s with all the apologies on behalf of New Zealand? There’s only one person responsible (as far as I know). I hope he gets what he deserves.
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December 11, 2018 8:42am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  It is indeed a bad look for the country, but if you didn’t do it or have any power to stop it, you shouldn’t take blame.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:49am
  - cmm
    
    Why is it a bad look for the country?
    
    Sure this is a terrible event, but, in general, NZ is an incredibly safe place for tourists.
    
    We have millions of tourists a year. It is very seldom any get murdered.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:11am
- MrLovebucket
  
  I suspect he (and many others) started following an individual in question only in the last few days so they can monitor any changes.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:44am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If the alleged murderer is convicted (after a fair trial), it will be interesting to learn about his past.
  – Does he have a criminal record?
  – Was he undergoing psychiatric treatment?
  – Was he “known to the police”?
  – Is he an “ordinary” man or does he have a documented history?
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:57am
  - SGA
    
    What I’ve seen in the British papers so far doesn’t really gel with the speculations and hypotheses put forward by KB’s Sherlock Holmes yesterday, so I’d suggest reserving judgment for a bit.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:27am
  - DigNap15
    
    And was he recently deported from Australia? and therefor a criminal there?
    
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    December 11, 2018 4:49pm
  - Viking2
    
    The police knew him the moment they saw him with the lady.
    So record for sure.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:31pm
- KevOB
  
  NZ does not know yet who committed the crime. The Police think they know and have persuaded a Court that a possible suspect should be detained. In January a trial may commence.
  Don’t you miss the old days when a lynch mob could sort these things out much more quickly?
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:45am
- calendar girl
  
  Another question: what is the “nationality” of Grace Millane’s alleged murderer?
  
  A macabre thought entered my mind after Ardern’s public apology on behalf of New Zealand: – what if the killer of the young British tourist turned out himself to be of British extraction?
  
  In those circumstances, our Prime Minister would have serious egg over her face. I wonder whether Ardern would then demand a public Theresa May apology on behalf of the latter’s country?
  
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  December 11, 2018 3:36pm
- wreck1080
  
  I’m hoping that whoever murdered Grace Millane will meet their own end once behind bars.
  
  His name is easily googled today. Much easier than yesterday. Name suppression orders are an anachronism in the era where jurisdictional boundaries can be left behind at the press of a key.
  
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  December 11, 2018 3:53pm
- realityczech
  
  “The piece of scum who murdered Grace Millane”
  
  Well that was a quick trial.
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:44pm
Simon

British tourist murdered didnt take long for the sick fucks in MSM to turn it into a circus.
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December 11, 2018 8:42am
- stephieboy
  
  A circus? How?
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:52am
- KevOB
  
  It’s all about a pretty young woman.
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:46am
Sofia

UMR/stuff – Bridges “word cloud” – spreading Labour’s filth
(pseudo-“science” make it filthier than simple “dirty” politics)

“Untrustworthy” is the largest word on the slide, meaning UMR recorded it as the most common response when members of the public were asked to describe Bridges
– stuff

Perhaps, but then “untrustworthy” is just a longer word than “idiot” which appears to be the same font size, but a lesser colour weight, and buried, whereas “untrustworthy” has the cleanest left leading position, which is where English reading people start from.

What utter fucking bullshit (trying to use roughly equal length unbiased words)

Filthy Labour politics – more equally applicable words.
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December 11, 2018 8:54am
- Tall Man
  
  They are desperate, be proud of that Simon Bridges.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:12am
Harkman

The University of Otago Health researchers are the definition of neo-Marxist, nanny state fun Police. James Bond has a drinking problem, f__k off! Seriously please piss off. (And I sort of gave up drinking in my 20s). Dirk Benedict said recently that there was no way the A team would air today, four non leftist guys on a TV show being blokes. The BBC canned true Top Gear because they were capitalists and they were keeping the network afloat!
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December 11, 2018 9:16am
- Classic Liberal
  
  The interview was faintly amusing, but it was also extremely annoying to think they use our tax money watching Bond movies and counting drinks!
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:23am
- Longknives
  
  The Left have been gunning for James Bond for years- ‘Old White Man’ you see? (Therefore he must be banned)
  They already have Dr Who’s scalp- Bond will be next…then the prize scalp of Santa Claus!
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    Gunning for James Bond?
    
    Really?
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:53am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      First they came for James Bond.
      But I said nothing because I was not a Bond fan.
      Then they came for Dr. Who.
      But I said nothing because I was not a Whovarian.
      Then they came for _____ .
      
      You get the picture (and the reference).
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:14am
      - MH
        
        stirred but not shaken
        
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        December 11, 2018 2:25pm
    - Harkman
      
      Yep Bond voted for Churchill
      
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      December 11, 2018 11:00am
  - Komata
    
    Longknives
    
    Re: ‘…Then the prize scalp of Santa Claus!’
    
    Too late, Nelson City Council (or whomever) has beaten them to it; ‘Santa’ is ‘maori’ don’t cha know…
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:55am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I’m pretty sure I could not free fall off a cliff and catch up with a pilotless plane and fly it to safety. Possibly I have not been drinking enough.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:42am
- graham
  
  Maybe we need to find a way to break it to the University of Otago that James Bond is not real. As in, it’s MADE-UP. FICTION.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:54am
  - KevOB
    
    Otago offended because Bond shown drinking at work.
    Back to their labs: sprague-dawley and wistar rats await skin burning etc.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:54am
  - MH
    
    first you ruin my belief in Santa and now 007.
    Pass me a macron, and none of that froggy stuff.
    
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    December 11, 2018 2:28pm
Harkman

See Hosking rip Cindy this morning, saying Kiwibuild is a joke, $650k for first homes.
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December 11, 2018 9:17am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Rip? No, he was all cute and fluffy with her and they gave each other Xmas prezzies. Afterwards he told us that he isn’t fazed by the UN Migration Pact. I.e. he doesn’t understand its risks at all.
  
  Hosking is a nice bloke, but doesn’t have the intellect or guts to really push an issue as important as the Pact.
  
  Taxinda knows how to play him now: smile, make cute little compliments ‘I always thought of you as an optimist’, and fob him off with misinformation he’s prepared to take.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:26am
  - igm
    
    He sure pisses me off in this instance . . . The Harridan never answered one question in full and he let the maggot off.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:12am
    - MH
      
      the glare coming off Hosking’s silver fly zip is just t0o much to bear.
      
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      December 11, 2018 2:30pm
skyblue

See there are pictures of a softball player in the UK press.
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December 11, 2018 9:33am
Morrissey

Tony Veitch is now operating under the alias of “MrDeadMoth”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yHy0gcZ11Y

While we’re on the topic of violent scumbags…

http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/ngrid-hipkiss-grinned-vacuously-and.html
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December 11, 2018 9:41am
Morrissey

Is that you, “Veitchy”? You worthless POS.
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December 11, 2018 9:46am
- Longknives
  
  Are you feeling okay Morrissey?
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:55am
- igm
  
  Breen: You would not say that to his face . . . remember, I have come across you, and know what a wimp you are. As for a worthless POS . . . that is applicable to you more than anyone else.
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:09am
  - Swifty
    
    He’s clearly unwell.
    
    Women laughing at him for so long must have an effect on a man.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:16am
    - igm
      
      He is not, and never was, a real man. He is a loser in all facets of life, especially his politics.
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:27am
gump

There were a lot of posts yesterday on Kiwiblog speculating about the ethnicity and immigration status of the person who has been charged with killing Grace Millane.

Will those Kiwiblog posters apologise for their fuckwittery?
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December 11, 2018 10:01am
- Swifty
  
  Yes, I thought that was rather unbecoming at times.
  
  Ethnicity is not the issue.
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:08am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Swifty, I agree. In some cases, ideology is the issue (i.e. when an ideology brings men up to be violent misogynists, as we’ve seen in the UK).
    
    And in some cases, this one probably, total madness is the issue.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:17am
    - Swifty
      
      I’ve had associations with some pretty hard nuts over 35 years – including the upper echelons of the NZ criminal fraternity – not now, but going back to the 80s and 90s.
      
      I’ve known two people who were murdered and I’m guessing I’ve had associations with about eight murderers.
      
      If you ask me what has caused these men to murder I’d struggle to identify any common pattern.
      
      My belief is that is part nature but mostly nurture. I’ve known guys that have had such a shitty upbringing it would make you weep at what they went through as kids and who went on to repeat what they were taught – but also I’m pretty sure there are bad eggs born, when I think about those scumbags who had a normal upbringing and were just scumbags from the get go.
      
      From my experience, ethnicity has nothing to do with it – and, for the record, I have known plenty of pakehas who were the most rotten, raping, murdering, thieving, dishonourable, cheating, lying scumbags you’d ever had the displeasure of meeting.
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:56am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        All agreed. And when you have an ideology that tells men to beat their wives if they ‘fear disobedience’ that’s clearly a part of a very bad upbringing that will lead to violence.
        
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        December 11, 2018 11:35am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Teachers can point out kids who will become violent thugs at primary school. Much of it is innate, and unfixable psychopaths with poor impulse control are born that way. In Coromandel a few years back there was a primary kid so nasty, violent and out of control that he needed a full time minder in school, and a large group of parents banded together to bus their kids 1hr to Thames every day to keep away from him.
        
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        December 11, 2018 11:45am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        “[At 3 years old] you can do a test in 45 minutes: The things we measured included the ability to express language, to understand language, fine motor ability, some neurological signs – just basic reflexes – and also an important trait or ability called self-control, which is about emotion regulation. So that combination, by age three, told us a lot about who would be in the group and who would therefore have those high costs across the first half of their life course, at least – this is to age 38.
        
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/parenting/14-12-2016/future-criminals-revealed-at-age-three-not-so-fast-says-dunedin-study-head/
        
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        December 11, 2018 12:56pm
      - MH
        
        and then we have in todays Herald the old chestnut re NZ Mounted troops indiscretion in avenging the death of a Kiwi soldier in 1918 and Allenby’s disapproval and reprimand. C’est la guerre (even post guerre). What does one expect except tiredness even from Officers who should have acted.
        
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        December 11, 2018 2:37pm
      - Tall Man
        
        And yet maori are over represented in all those crimes. They are 17% of the population and that includes all percentages so there are many like mihi ngarangi forbes who are whiter than I, yet they exceed 50% of the violent crime stats so you tell me WTF that means.
        
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        December 11, 2018 3:26pm
      - Jules99
        
        I was talking to someone from Corrections who some time back did a study involving interviewing hardened criminals. The overwhelming common feature was that most had experienced child abuse growing up. While not every kid who experiences this will become a criminal, if the child has no support they are going to suffer one way or another unless they are lucky and get help. Of course some of those guys will be living in the same communities as adults and can’t escape it. Very sad.
        
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        December 11, 2018 3:57pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, it is
    I want to know if the guy was a white kiwi
    an indigenous kiwi, or a tourist or a recent immigrant.
    I don’t care about his name.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:49am
  - Komata
    
    Swifty
    
    Au contraire; in New Zealand, ‘Ethnicity’ is very much the issue, given the well-known and well-documented inclination for one specific ethnic group to commit such violent crimes.
    
    Such is that group’s proclivity for such matters, and the frequency with which they are involved in such things, an enquiry about the ‘ethnicity’ of the suspect is quite natural, if only to confirm or deny reasonably held suspicions.
    
    It’s what Kiwi’s have learnt to do (Unfortunately)…
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:20pm
    - Swifty
      
      I can’t say that you are wrong, but I suspect that you might be – in that you are conflating ethnicity with upbringing.
      
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      December 11, 2018 12:30pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Swifty,” Ethnicity is not the issue” ??
    
    I beg to differ. With many rabid righters on KB, it is “the issue!”
    
    Given a chance all there to throw some racist dart and barbs
    
    Make no mistake about it.
    
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    December 11, 2018 2:29pm
    - Swifty
      
      Fuck off you creep.
      
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      December 11, 2018 3:33pm
- Longknives
  
  I’m not sure what you are getting at- Has his ethnicity been made public Gump?
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:16am
  - gump
    
    The UK press is running his name alongside photos from his Facebook page as their lead stories this morning.
    
    I know this because there was an email news alert from the Telegraph in my inbox this morning. The email contained his name and photo.
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:23am
    - Longknives
      
      Yes- And your point?
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:23am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        They not even paying lip service to the suppression order…. Once you have the POS name a google search reveals hundreds of reports. They may as well rescind the suppression order.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknives, as Andrew Little has stated this plays into the defence hands and could easily declare a mistrial which is what Grace’s family do not want!
        
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        December 11, 2018 2:32pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I was about to say that was a fair challenge, but decided first to review the evidence.
  
  There weren’t “a lot of posts”. There were a few posts as you suggest.
  
  I did see plenty taking about the accused in skin-tone, and immigration-status neutral language.
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:17am
  - SGA
    
    meh – there was KB’s usual “informed” speculation, and the usual suspects were quick to try to insinuate that particular groups that they dislike were likely responsible. Par for the course 🙂
    
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    December 11, 2018 10:45am
- GoVege
  
  Its not actually “fuckwittery”, gump.
  The fact is that most cultures on this planet are male-dominated and males are brought up to expect females to obey and submit to them, or suffer the (violent) consequences.
  It’s only mainly in the West that males are taught to respect women.
  That’s why most bashing and killings of females are disproportionately committed by non-western males.
  Of course white dudes bash and kill too, but they are going against their cultural beliefs which usually indicates they are fairly screwed up….like this guy probably is.
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:24am
  - Swifty
    
    Do you not understand the difference between ethnicity and culture?
    
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    December 11, 2018 11:41am
    - GoVege
      
      Whatever name you put on it, it’s the beliefs and attitudes held by any group of people.
      But feel free to enlighten me, Swifty. 🙂
      
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      December 11, 2018 12:05pm
      - Swifty
        
        The post from gump that you responded to was about ethnicity i.e. ‘race’ – you have responded that it is not fuckwittery but then go on to talk about culture – not ‘race’, as was his point.
        
        I don’t disagree with what you’re saying – but that you are confusing the two.
        
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        December 11, 2018 12:39pm
      - GoVege
        
        Its a wee bit confusing actually, Swifty.
        I looked it up and the Cambridge dictionary definition is “a large group of people who have the same national, racial or cultural origins”.
        So apparently ethnicity covers culture as well as race.
        
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        December 11, 2018 2:30pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    GoVege, it’s about ideology, not melanin levels. The Left want nothing more than to call our valid concerns about ideology ‘racism’.
    
    Equal rights for women have taken a long time to achieve in the West, and we shouldn’t give them up again by accepting large numbers of people holding the opposite view. Whatever their skin colour!
    
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    December 11, 2018 11:42am
    - GoVege
      
      Very true, CL.
      I saw 2 black mailboxes in a $2 shop on Sunday.
      The male kid with them was dressed like an imam and was busy swishing toy swords around.
      No doubt in practice for dispatching infidels… 🙂
      
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      December 11, 2018 12:01pm
      - igm
        
        We should be rounding these bludging mongrels up NOW. Every time I see these apparitions I think of how many of us they are planning to kill.
        I wonder how Sleeze-Galloway is getting on with them now . . . he is evidently a frequent visitor at his local mosque.
        
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        December 11, 2018 3:45pm
      - GoVege
        
        Igm: I was also wondering if they had pockets under their letterboxes to stash stolen property…the infidels’ benny is just not generous enough for the family with multiple wives/ mums..
        
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        December 11, 2018 4:42pm
      - sam green
        
        Jeez you talk shit.
        
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        December 11, 2018 7:57pm
MrTips

LOL. Check out Chatty Cindy on this Twitter thread:
https://twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1071997239734587392
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December 11, 2018 10:02am
- Tall Man
  
  I think gaylord already has the “blow up” version as adern the liar is always away from home at work…oops, sorry my bad.
  
  It’s the ascending future PM Simon Bridges that’s always at work while adern the liar looks for photo ops. Still, I’ll bet gaylord is happy he does have alternatives as he’s so successful with relationships he’s had hundreds.
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:08am
  - sooty
    
    He’s not going to many chicks, wearing that stupid suit.
    
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    December 11, 2018 5:17pm
ztev

Guess who’s back after a hiatus.
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December 11, 2018 11:05am
- GoVege
  
  Welcome back, ztev! 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:07am
- Poppa
  
  Just in time for Xmas Ztev
  
  I hope you enjoyed your holiday & have cleaned your rose tinted glasses
  
  Brace yourself for more COL lies & stuff ups, it’s going to be fun
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:11am
- Swifty
  
  But for how long? 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:15am
- Longknives
  
  Back from the dead Ztev?
  This is like the ending of the film Carrie..Where the kids visit her grave!
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:23am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Santa!!
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:39am
- RalphT
  
  I thought an eighth strike meant six months off? According to DPF’s comments policy ztev’s took effect from 1 August. Or has David gone soft and decided to parole people after they have served two-thirds of their sentence?
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:44am
- cmm
  
  I gave you a downtick so you can feel at home again.
  
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  December 11, 2018 12:12pm
- mandk
  
  Hi ztev,
  
  Why don’t you start by explaining how, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the CoL really is the most open and transparent government ever.
  
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  December 11, 2018 12:34pm
- Manolo
  
  Welcome back, Trevor.
  
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  December 11, 2018 2:10pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Any criticisms you’d care to offer on the current government ztev or are you just going to be the usual partisan “Must. Not. Criticise. The. Left” regardless of how bereft their performance?
  
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  December 11, 2018 4:56pm
krazykiwi

The French: They vote for socialism, and then in protesting against the impacts of socialism they demand more socialism.
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December 11, 2018 11:16am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Well said! Sounds like with more ‘wealthtax’ they’ll soon have a guillotine back!
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:45am
Kiwi_in_Paris

Safe country? I suppose so, relatively.
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December 11, 2018 11:17am
DigNap15

John Key is dreaming.
I was and still am a big fan of John Keys and two ticks blue.
But JK is dreaming when he said he thinks there wil be one or two parties form before the next election to be coalition partners with National.
For a start two or 3 parties will dilute their own vote and one or all of them will need to get to 5% to give just one seat to National.
Act and The Conservative Party both failed last time (due to their leadership)
But I think its an impossible ask to get a new right wing party to 5%.
What do you think?
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December 11, 2018 11:23am
- Awww C-mon
  
  A resurgent Maori Party with Dr Lance at the helm will be one, they will get a few seats.
  
  We will have a blue green option, it will Poll well enough to destroy the watermelons but perhaps not make parliament.
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:37am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    It would only have to beat Labour in one seat.
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:07pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Yup, but when Maori realise just what the COL are signing with this migration pact, and how it screws their rights under the treaty they will bounce back to the MP, and national (although they won’t admit to liking the Nats)
      
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      December 11, 2018 12:50pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        If I were a Maori activist, I would be very keen to keep my victimhood polished and honed.
        
        The very last thing I would want would be an influx of non-white people who could possibly out-victim me on the victimhood tables.
        
        Therefore, any Maori activist would be dead against the UN migration pact unless they are a communist (an internationalist) or simply stupid.
        
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        December 11, 2018 1:37pm
      - sooty
        
        Maori been further watered down with all of the imigration Cindy wants to bring in. They will not be voting for TOW allowances.
        
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        December 11, 2018 5:10pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I think the New Conservative Party could get more MPs if National made the same arrangement as they have with ACT and in the past with UF.
  
  Below is a link to their Deputy Leader, Elliot Ikilei speaking at the Saturday demonstration at Aotea Square.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/groups/1324853644219436/?multi_permalinks=2050299355008191&notif_id=1544437778268796&notif_t=group_activity
  
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  December 11, 2018 11:52am
- mandk
  
  Labour will probably gift NZF and the Greens a seat each to keep them in Parliament.
  
  This fair enough, given what National have done to shore up ACT.
  
  However, it means that National will need more friends than ACT alone, so the party might want to give ToP a/o Maori a/o a Blue-Green party a leg up.
  
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  December 11, 2018 12:31pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    ToP is all for redistribution of wealth and tax wealth.
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:52pm
DigNap15

There have been 67 foreign tourists missing or killed in Thailand this year.
https://www.farang-deaths.com/statistics/

Another news site said 60 Brits murdered in the last 2 years.

Just saying.
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December 11, 2018 11:27am
- starboard
  
  Many would have been pissed loud mouthed offensive slobs who pushed their luck a little too far.
  
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  December 11, 2018 4:24pm
DigNap15

He has name suppression but…

One girl said she backed out of a tinder date with him

And
Three of former flatmates felt uncomfortable around him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109245194/former-flatmate-of-grace-millane-murder-accused-says-he-made-her-uncomfortable
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December 11, 2018 11:29am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  I cannot understand why the PC brigade haven’t picked up on the obvious? Three girls/roommates discriminated against him for no apparent solid reason. That pushed him over the edge. Perhaps they should be charged as parties to the crime?
  
  “But after only a couple of days his behaviour started to raise questions. He was very active on dating apps and the others in the house started wondering what he did for work.”
  
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  December 11, 2018 1:49pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Well, I mean they are endlessly advocating that people with mental problems should be treated better and not discriminated against.
  
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  December 11, 2018 2:05pm
Ross12

So Macron tries buy off the protesters , but the protesters give him the middle finger. Good on them!!

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/10/macron-promises-minimum-wage-increase-tax-breaks-yellow-vest-protesters/
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December 11, 2018 11:48am
- DigNap15
  
  Lots of people on the comments to that link are saying that white working people are being taxed to the hilt whilst muslim immigrants have many children and don’t work!
  
  The is the left and the UN for you.
  NO to all refugees and muslims in NZ.
  
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  December 11, 2018 12:13pm
Swifty

Oops….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12174840

Heh.
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December 11, 2018 11:56am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Haha, at least they printed the truth for once….not!
  
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  December 11, 2018 1:58pm
- cmm
  
  Holes makes way more sense.
  
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  December 11, 2018 2:34pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Her holes were her only good point. Now they have all but dried up.
  
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  December 11, 2018 2:39pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12174861

” Housing Minister Phil Twyford has confirmed that he was briefed on October 31 that there were issues around KiwiBuild boss Stephen Barclay that were being looked into.

But he was told it would be better if he was not briefed on the details.”

Later on in the article…

“There is no basis that I’m aware of for that assertion,”

Well duh, you deliberately avoided finding out, so of course you don’t know, so plausible deniability.

You’re the MINISTER. It is your job to ask the tough questions and know what is going on. That is what we are paying you for you muppet!

Fucking useless!
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December 11, 2018 12:09pm
- DigNap15
  
  “Its not my job” to know these things
  He kept saying on QandA
  At least Corrin kept coming back to that question.
  
  Twyford is a smarmy prick.
  Or just useless.
  Probably both.
  
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  December 11, 2018 12:16pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Probably doing too much lawnmowing. Nobody with an ounce of intelligence could fuck up this badly, so often. Must be high or pissed most of the time.
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:26pm
  - cmm
    
    When there are good optics, he’s out there with his hard hat and tool belt and with the credit he’s taking for all the “successes”, you’d think he was swinging a hammer from 7am to midnight, seven days a week.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99430684/Below-the-Beltway-The-week-in-politics
    
    But as soon as it goes pear shaped, no, nothing to do with me and he’s asking ILG for advice on hiding behind poles.
    
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    December 11, 2018 12:31pm
- KevOB
  
  Too dumb to understand the concept of executive responsibility.
  
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  December 11, 2018 5:46pm
lifesgood

A woman was murdered overnight at Flat Bush. I am awaiting a sobbing Jacinda coming on TV to apologise to her family on behalf of all New Zealanders. Oops pig flew past my window.
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December 11, 2018 12:16pm
- softail 1450
  
  lifesgood “pig flew past my window” yeah ,with Andrew Little as pilot…
  
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  December 11, 2018 2:29pm
- GoVege
  
  That would have been an Asian immigrant…possibly not a NZ citizen yet.
  
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  December 11, 2018 4:36pm
  - Viking2
    
    What the pig?
    
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    December 12, 2018 5:59am
Chuck Bird

The policy that Cindy supports is letting more like him out on bail and she says the rest of us should feel shame because of the alleged killer of Grace. I hope National highlights this after the sentence. A man could be alive if this criminal had not been on bail.

One punch killing: Teen who fatally attacked guard was on bail

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12174802
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December 11, 2018 12:28pm
- GoVege
  
  Surely they could have put a bracelet on this kid????
  Now we have a contributor to society dead, a family bereaved, and another young punk off to “university” to learn to be a real criminal… (at our expense of course)…
  
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  December 11, 2018 3:59pm
graham

“We study the climate – we chose not to fly to a conference on it”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/109244260/we-study-the-climate–we-chose-not-to-fly-to-a-conference-on-it

These three scientists have made a conscious decision and effort to reduce their “carbon footprint” and have reduced the number of miles they fly per year – two have gone from 100,000 miles per year to 30,000 and one has cut out flying completely.

Irrespective of whether you believe the hype around so-called “climate change”, at least these three have actually put their money where their mouths are and made an effort to fix up their own house first – not just preach to us about how WE all need to change.

And this is why I refuse to take the hand-wringing by James Shaw et al seriously.

If he HONESTLY believed the world is as doomed as he claims, then I would have expected him to stop flying all over the damn world. Surely, if Mr Shaw believes that climate change is the greatest evil we have in the world, right now, he would have:

– refused to fly all the way to Katowice, Poland, for a conference on climate change.
– refused to fly to Scott Base in November (said trip supposedly to help him understand the importance of New Zealand’s Antarctic research around climate change. Here’s a tip Mr Shaw … you flying in there isn’t helping).
– turned down the chance to travel to California in September, just to present New Zealand’s plans for action on climate change.
– said “no” to the offer to attend a Climate Action Pacific Partnership conference in Suva in July
– apologised and said “the carbon footprint is just not worth it” instead of travelling to Singapore and China in July for climate change discussions with regional Ministerial counterparts

In fact, when you consider that the quarterly release for travel and accommodation from October 1 to the end of December last year showed that James Shaw spent $26,712 on international travel to Europe for climate-change meetings, it’s hard to believe that he really believes what he preaches at all. Or is the lure of the baubles of office just too great a temptation?

James Shaw – if you expect us to take you seriously when you tell us how terrible a problem we have with climate change, how about putting your money (or your perks) where your mouth is? Instead of jetting all over the world, try a video conference.
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December 11, 2018 12:30pm
- mandk
  
  Who is this James Shaw person, of whom you speak?
  
  Name rings a bell, but I can’t recollect anything he has said or done.
  
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  December 11, 2018 1:01pm
  - stephieboy
    
    mandk, James Shaw? Who out there in the real world actually cares?
    
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    December 11, 2018 1:39pm
    - Swifty
      
      What a right cock you are – the same old lines day after day after day, and all designed to provoke.
      
      This is why you are not respected as a man.
      
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      December 11, 2018 1:41pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Swifty, but it is a truth that we needed to be reminded of that brings much needed balance and perspective to the debate
        
        Again, “Who out there in the real world actually cares?
        
        Nobody!
        
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        December 11, 2018 2:35pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Ignore her, she’s an embarrassment now but will fade. Just down tick and don’t respond. steffy is a waste of space so just treat her as such..she’ll fade away.
        
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        December 11, 2018 3:09pm
      - Swifty
        
        HE cares you cock – that’s why he wrote his piece.
        
        And mandk repeatedly makes good points and advances debates.
        
        For the most part all you do here is pick, snipe and attempt to provoke posters – and often in the rudest and nasty way especially when you put words in the mouths of others.
        
        Do you thin you’re clever? Do you think you’re superior to the other posters here?
        
        Well I can tell you you’re not. You’re a fucken rude little cock and you deserve all the abuse, scorn and derision you get here.
        
        Fuck you stiffy.
        
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        December 11, 2018 3:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Jimmy Shaw…isn’t he that famous nice guy US actor…
    
    Damn, sorry, silly me..That was Jimmy Stewart..
    
    Jimmy 2 mums shaw, he’s that wannabe lazy fossil fuel burning cesspit isn’t he?
    
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    December 11, 2018 3:07pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Jimmy Two Mums is a CLIMATARD
      
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      December 12, 2018 4:15am
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12174878

Handley’s great entrepreneurial development Snakk goes into receivership.

And PriNZess wanted “the team” to give him a high paying gig and a multi-million budget as CEO of NZ!
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December 11, 2018 12:47pm
- lifesgood
  
  Oh it just gets better and better.
  
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  December 11, 2018 12:54pm
Longknives

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109254302/paremoremo-prison-an-inmates-view-from-the-inside

Cop Killer Daniel Luff is having a whine about how mean and nasty Paremoremo is..(And curiously a dig at the former National Government)
Cry me a river Pal!
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December 11, 2018 12:59pm
- Poppa
  
  Perhaps he could spare a thought for the victims family who live with it for the rest of their lives
  
  Scumbag
  
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  December 11, 2018 1:25pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Paremoremo nasty?
  Good.
  You did the crime chum, now you do the time.
  
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  December 11, 2018 1:55pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  ” I’m shocked by the 12 months I recently spent up in Parry (after I went into an out-of-bounds prison area, where contraband was also found). ”
  
  Oh dear, what a shame, never mind.
  
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  December 11, 2018 2:28pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  He is fucking lucky I am not Minister of Justice. His tombstone would be the only thing talking now….
  
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  December 11, 2018 2:48pm
- igm
  
  This proves that Gutless “Little” Andy is pulling strings in media, especially Fairfax, as this a beat up for early release support.
  This guy is a callous cool calculating killer . . . he should not be accorded media space, or oxygen.
  
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  December 11, 2018 3:37pm
- mandk
  
  Dear, oh dear!
  
  All that violence in a state run prison.
  
  Clearly, the state is not fit to run correctional facilities.
  
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  December 11, 2018 4:27pm
- GoVege
  
  To give the devil his due, he was talking about guards being bashed too and the need for humanizing hobbies like indoor plants.
  He was 17 when he committed his heinous crime.
  IMO his useless parents should be doing time with him.
  
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  December 11, 2018 4:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Wonder what he was doing last year hiding up in the ceiling cavity with contraband items?
    
    Idling away that boring lunch-time, perhaps.?
    Writing another psychology paper?
    Just having a bit of time out?
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/92997006/Cop-killer-reportedly-found-hiding-in-ceiling-cavity-in-prison
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:33pm
- DigNap15
  
  Good. We need lots of youtube videos on Facebook etc of how bad it is, so that people will not want to go there.
  
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  December 11, 2018 4:59pm
Scooter

Will the PM apologise for the woman murdered in Flatbush or is that not politically motivated?
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December 11, 2018 2:10pm
- GoVege
  
  She needs to apologise that all immigrants to this country are not required to pass a 10 page exam on our laws regarding family violence and treatment of women and children.
  
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  December 11, 2018 3:12pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Most of all she needs to apologise for being thick, dishonest and incapable of the role of PM.
    
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    December 11, 2018 5:00pm
softail 1450

Anyone know if Dr Deborah Russel is gay?
if shes not shes the first person that has asked Robinson a question in the house that wasn’t a brown hatter that I’ve seen.
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December 11, 2018 2:25pm
- alex Masterley
  
  No she is not.
  
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  December 11, 2018 2:36pm
- KevOB
  
  She’s an academic with an interest in tax. She can hardly speak on her own but she is being groomed. One of the few allowed. Grant gets a patsy question each day for his grandstand performance. Pity his schoolboy rhetoric exceeds his brain capacity. He doesn’t know enough to know he is hopelessly out of his depth.
  
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  December 11, 2018 5:41pm
WaveyDavey

So, it appears that someone may have been out on bail…
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December 11, 2018 2:26pm
- Poppa
  
  Oh dear, no wonder the fake tears & apology then
  
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  December 11, 2018 3:32pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12174781

Marked man eh?

Shouldda thunked of that before you topped her then!

Bonus word for stephie: ALLEGEDLY.
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December 11, 2018 3:58pm
Nostradamus

Stephieboy:

You’re fluttering about all over the thread again making a nuisance of yourself. Maggy has your number:

There are probably numerous reasons why men prey on women:
1. An inability to form a steady sexual partnership
2. Because they are bullies and need a weaker person as their victim
3. Because they think women are their possessions
4. Because they think women are pieces of meat

Let’s categorise some of your statements – all in your own words – and all on Kiwiblog:

“Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall” = 1
“I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel” = 3
“accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts” = 1, 2, 3 and 4
“Inandout , recently I observed a young Muslim couple with their babe on the infants swing at Mt Roskill Park” = 1
“They were having a lovely time taking photos.of their new child” = 3 and 4
“Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino” = 1
“I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes” = 3 and 4
“with their children” = 2, 3 and 4
“Two of these honeypots were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses” = 1, 2, 3 and 4
“I saw an incredibly beautiful Muslim woman recently in all her Hijab finery and make up” = 2, 3 and 4
“secret desires and lustful longings” = 1, 2, 3 and 4
“Poppa, did your Dentist feel and squeeze your nipples?” = 1
“MW, what sized undergarments do you wear?” = 1, 2, 3 and 4

The overall impression is some 1s, and lots of 2s, 3s and 4s. Have you considered getting professional help for your issues?
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December 11, 2018 4:30pm
- Swifty
  
  Good effort Nostra – but he’s beyond help.
  
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  December 11, 2018 4:34pm
- Jack5
  
  With all due respect Nostradamus, it’s a waste of time the Stephie team getting professional medical help until brain transplants are perfected.
  
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  December 11, 2018 5:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wow, Nostradamus.
  
  It’s like you have been reading my mind…
  
  I have bookmarked your analysis for future reference.
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:48pm
- realityczech
  
  “Two of these honeypots were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses”
  
  You understand it was the children he was referring to? Note that most of his sexual comments feature children.
  
  This is typical of ~~pedophiles~~ Labour supporters.
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:53pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Impressive collection of quotes Nostra
  Good work
  Sort of thing someone might bring to his peers NOTICE
  Lol
  
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  December 11, 2018 7:56pm
sooty

Stephie is the ideal member af the Labour party, he is obviously a sexual deviant. He must fit in like a glove. I wonder what sex camp he graduated from and how many kids got fiddled with!
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December 11, 2018 4:59pm
rouppe

There is a story on Stuff about how most victims of violent crime in NZ are women.

I’m sure I’ve read on this blog in the past some statistics that David Farrar worked out that this actually wasn’t true.

Is this true, and readily available information?
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December 11, 2018 5:14pm
- howitis
  
  This was on Stuffed :-
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107415102/murder-rate-hits-a-40yearlow-police-say
  on 27 Sept 2018; so about 10 weeks ago.
  Content:
  … About a third of the 686 homicide victims from 2007-2016 were Māori,
  and 62 per cent were male.
  Of all family-linked homicide victims, 40 per cent were male and 60 per cent were female.
  Around one-in-five homicides was committed by a current or ex-partner…..
  It’s the last paragraph in article.
  
  Perhaps they don’t read their own ‘stuff’ because they don’t trust it to be truthful.
  
  In reality it is jumping on the Misandry bandwagon that has taken off in the last 72 hours with Dizzy Marvelly, Joanna Forbes, Aussie Mau, The Aunties and their hangers on … particularly the feminazis from Auckland Uni and Massey Ag College…leading the hate.
  These Nasties are in heaven trading off a British family’s enormous tragedy.
  This lot are simply too raw and vile to have any shame over such behaviour.
  
  Sample from Twitter
  The Aunties‏Verified account @whaeapower Dec 7
  More
  One day, family violence campaigns will be aimed at cis het white men. The ppl that hurt other people the most. Most of the murders. Most never seen or heard of violence. Until it’s too late. Bc nobody ever thinks it’s them. But it is. This stands, whoever killed Grace Millane.
  ——————
  
  The homicide numbers were declining in the 5 years to 2017 but I suspect like the road toll they will be going up again.
  This will be obfuscated upon and stats delayed to aid the ‘most opaque’ Govt Ever!
  This fits in with the COL ‘flubbing’ the Census this year so no numbers are available for ages.
  
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  December 11, 2018 5:55pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publications-statistics/data-and-statistics/policedatanz/unique-victims-demographics
  
  It’s not the easiest but it gives victims of crimes involving violence as M45% F40%
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:08pm
- DigNap15
  
  No if you read the whole report most murders victims are males and committed by males.
  
  The number of gang related murders in the last few years is astounding and getting near to Mexican or Guatemalan proportions.
  Still that’s one less crim on the streets, maybe two if the offender gets locked up.
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:17pm
- realityczech
  
  Utter and complete bullshit. It is overwhelmingly MEN.
  
  Pretty young females are the LEAST LIKELY group to ever face violence.
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:54pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UPDATE … AUSTRALIA … HOUSE OF CARDS …

What is the future of Australia’s housing market? – 7.30 Programme … Australian Broadcasting Corporation
… VIDEO …

https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/what-is-the-future-of-australias-housing-market/10603248

7.30 Report’s “House of Cards” (Part 1) – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/12/7-30-reports-house-cards-part-1/
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Earlier post …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/12/oecd-australia-must-prepare-house-price-hard-landing/#comment-3245023
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December 11, 2018 5:20pm
KevOB

How do you see this affecting NZ?
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December 11, 2018 5:34pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  KevOB … Note what I said late October …
  
  Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
  
  … and too …
  
  … At least New Zealand is dealing with the REAL structural issues …
  
  … JUST UPDATED … PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING website … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … refresh …
  
  Following a lull through the first part of the year (as explained below within the June 2018 Update), thankfully, New Zealand is back on track as the global leader, in dealing with the structural issues (land supply and infrastructure financing) impeding the supply of new affordable housing.
  
  Let the updated ‘2018’ and ‘2018 – Articles Of Significance’ sections speak for themselves !
  
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  December 11, 2018 5:40pm
- DigNap15
  
  Surely a steady fall in house prices is good.
  To get them back to some sort of sanity for first home buyers.
  A 5% a year fall is not a crash imho.
  Our house prices need to start doing the same.
  They have not yet.
  
  And while we have greedy councils, greedy building supply companies they will not fall.
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:20pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    DigNap15 … Excellent comment.
    
    Do read closely the just updated http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org archival website.
    
    There is enormous progress currently underway in New Zealand … in contrast to Australia, which is just all over the place with these issues.
    
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    December 11, 2018 6:50pm
  - starboard
    
    Fuck first home buyers. They want everything NOW.
    Go and get a second job each, go without for a while, keep your old cellphone, drive a shit box, save save save every dollar you can and buy a two bedroom unit somewhere, for starters.
    
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    December 11, 2018 7:05pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Starboard … just so long as todays first home buyers can buy homes at the price to incomes you and I did ! …
      
      Why are New Zealand homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados | Stuff.co.nz
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados
      
      Affordable ratings for various dwelling types
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
      
      We will need to learn to become ‘Compassionate Conservatives’ if we are to become government again !
      
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      December 11, 2018 7:57pm
rightoverlabour

Is Andrew Little Stupid?
So we have name suppression for the killer. The UK press publish anyway. So some people with good googling skills do a bit of homework. Then Genius Angry Andy makes a song and dance and tells the whole country where to go and look.
Maybe I should have rephrased the question. Is Angry Andy the most moronic politician of all time?
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December 11, 2018 6:05pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  What’s worse is this quote: “…the British media are not helping the Millane family.”
  
  GYAC it’s her father who wants the scrote named
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:25pm
- septic skeptic
  
  There is NO TRUTH to the rumour that Little is using the Streisand effect to prejudice the ability for a fair trial and thus keep prison numbers down.
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:28pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  BTW Wait ’til you see the Tinder photo and compare it to the reality…
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:30pm
DigNap15

Ardern says she does not know much about the Scroebek case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYPKq8s-ovY

And when we will release all the other inquires
Labour School Camp
Meteria Whiterie
Kiwibuild resignation etc etc

Transparent!
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December 11, 2018 6:15pm
- starboard
  
  Cindy has severe 3rd degree burns to her arse.. ” liar liar…”
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:21pm
- Longknives
  
  Jesus!
  How desperately is Ardern now trying to ‘wash her hands’ of this??
  
  “I do not know who made submissions”
  What? Your Minister in charge hasn’t told you??
  *We already know for a fact that Johnny Hardcore (or whatever porno name this idiot calls himself) is involved…
  
  This surely deserves it’s own thread! Corruption at the highest…
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:47pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Some people think that her husband knows more about the case than she does!
    
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    December 11, 2018 7:17pm
    - Longknives
      
      She has a husband?
      I know she lives with a guy- But I wouldn’t dare to guess the nature of their relationship as he is all over You Tube bragging of ‘hundreds’ of sexual conquests…
      
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      December 11, 2018 7:20pm
DigNap15

I’d like someone with some legal experience to explain why we have name suppression in such cases.
the name will be released in 3 weeks anyway, well before his trial.
I can understand it in sexual abuse cases.
But not for other cases.
But what if he is found not guilty?
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December 11, 2018 6:22pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  It’s really simple. Under NZ’s stupid judicial system anyone can apply for name suppression. If it’s rejected as in this case then they automatically get 20 days name suppression to give them time to appeal.
  
  So you get name suppression even if you don’t get name suppression.
  
  Ludicrous
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:29pm
  - DigNap15
    
    But that does not answer my question.
    And what if the appeal is successful?
    
    Is it just a gravy train for lawyers?
    
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    December 11, 2018 7:11pm
realityczech

The mawkish and theatrical outpouring over the death of Grace Millane has reached the level of hysteria. We even have the disgusting spectacle of Ardern putting on crocodile tears.

Young people are murdered all the time, but we seldom see this carry on. Why? Because Grace was an attractive blonde woman. It is not especially sad, tragic, or upsetting, just because its a pretty female.

Some are even going the way of Saudi Arabia and blaming Grace for doing what most red blooded women do and going to some guys place.

Most murder victims are male. Of that group of men, Maori are over represented. Yet we never see this sort of beat-up for men.

People have lost their minds. They are gibbering about the murder rate increasing while it is lower than it has been in 40 years !

So cut the crap and look at the facts:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107415102/murder-rate-hits-a-40yearlow-police-say
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December 11, 2018 6:33pm
lifesgood

I just watched John Key on Q and A. Man he was good, what a loss to the country. I don’t blame him for leaving, he gave the country 9 good years but, boy oh boy, how in heavens name did we go from him to this useless space cadet who has the temerity to pretend she is a PM? I actually feel ashamed of New Zealand right now.
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December 11, 2018 6:50pm
- realityczech
  
  Over all, probably the most polished and smooth PM we have ever had. He was a real pro and could handle anything. Seemed like the sort of guy you could have a beer with at the same time.
  
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  December 11, 2018 6:58pm
  - Swifty
    
    I had breakfast with him once, spoke to him for about 5 minutes just me, him and my mate, and then listened to him speak about challenges in the economy, world affairs, National intentions over the next year etc etc for 30 mins and with no notes.
    
    Came across as very well informed, with a great grasp of his subjects and as a GOOD BASTARD.
    
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    December 11, 2018 7:05pm
    - Longknives
      
      The Labour-controlled NZ media crucified Key and his family for bloody years- I don’t blame him for walking away…
      Easily the greatest Prime Minister of my lifetime!
      (Rowling,Muldoon,Lange,Palmer,Moore,Bolger,Shipley,Clark,Key,English, and that thing with the enormous gnashers who tells lots of lies…)
      
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      December 11, 2018 7:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        “The Labour-controlled NZ media crucified Key and his family for bloody years”
        
        Us plain old voters didn’t.
        
        I always voted for him and I am very far from a tribal voter.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:17pm
Swifty

The major question of the day is whether Johnboy will manage to handle the pace of change in the ‘Nui?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/109259407/rundown-wainuiomata-mall-to-be-demolished-and-replaced-with-supermarket-and-shops
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December 11, 2018 6:55pm
- nasska
  
  Have you ever seen the dump Swifty? Many years ago I got roped in to make up a pool/darts team to travel over the Rimutakas to visit the Fitzroy Tavern.
  
  There was an almost continuous brawl going on in the carpark. Rumour had it that at midnight a twenty minute truce would be held to give St John’s time to remove the dead & injured but we didn’t stick around.
  
  In the interests of peace & a deterrent to inbreeding they should dynamite the Wainuiomata Hill Road! 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2018 7:06pm
  - realityczech
    
    You bloody snob nasska. There are new subdivisions popping up and now some new shops. Its booming.
    
    Yous eggs up norf are fucked in the head bro. 😉
    
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    December 11, 2018 7:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Whereas in other areas you’re fucked up the arse? Is that better?
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Ask Stephieboy.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:18pm
  - Swifty
    
    While I was born in Wellington and lived there for the first 25 years of my life, I think I may have made the trip over the hill maybe 3 times?
    
    Twice was for rugby and I think I went there one other time – I think it was for a party in my late teens.
    
    Got a few mates who came out of there though who went on to become, er, international businessmen shall we say.
    
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    December 11, 2018 7:16pm
    - nasska
      
      About the”Mr Asia” era I presume. 🙂
      
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      December 11, 2018 7:18pm
      - Swifty
        
        You are correct.
        
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        December 11, 2018 7:20pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yeah well go down to Thorndon for a beer if you want to see some real crims.
      
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      December 11, 2018 7:19pm
      - Swifty
        
        Really?
        
        How much hash oil can they swallow or stick up their arse?
        
        800 gms was pretty good going in our day.
        
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        December 11, 2018 7:28pm
      - nasska
        
        800 gms! Dear God……they’d have arseholes like Goatse Man!
        
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        December 11, 2018 7:33pm
      - Longknives
        
        Nothing a night at ‘Kiwifist’ won’t prepare you for Nasska…
        
        Labour MPs would make great smugglers!
        
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        December 11, 2018 7:35pm
      - Swifty
        
        Got to be a good swallower – a good test is if you can swallow a cigarette lighter you are good to go.
        
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        December 11, 2018 7:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You mean Molesworth Street don’t you?
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        You clearly have inside knowledge.
        
        Molesworth is where they work, not drink.
        
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        December 11, 2018 10:20pm
Odakyu-sen

NZ Post.
I mailed some Christmas cards to Japan yesterday. They cost $3 each. This is some 8% more than a year ago when they cost around $2.80
To post a card to NZ from Japan cost 110 yen ($NZ1.40), which is what is cost some 20 years ago.

I can see that I’ll be sending electronic cards (tacky) out to Japan next Christmas.
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December 11, 2018 7:10pm
- nasska
  
  Don’t be a tight arse! Fly over to Tokyo & post them from there! 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2018 7:13pm
- realityczech
  
  Odakyu-sen, Christmas !
  
  I thought you lot were godless heathens, much like myself.
  
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  December 11, 2018 7:15pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    No. Not at all.
    Christmas is a big commercial deal in Japan (much like in NZ).
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9caeOVc6Kc
    
    (It’s a parallel universe in Japan, where Colonel Sanders of KFC is dressed up as Father Christmas.)
    
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    December 11, 2018 7:46pm
    - realityczech
      
      I know, I’ve seen the porn.
      
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      December 11, 2018 10:21pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes NZ Post really need to be asked to give a serious reply to this question.
  Instead of parroting on about costs rising and falling volumes.
  Well costs are rising all over the world and volumes falling.
  Try sending a book overseas!
  
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  December 11, 2018 7:15pm
DigNap15

yes why is that it is always dearer to post from NZ than it is to NZ.

Surely most of the work is done at the recieving end by the mail sorters and delivery guys.

The cost to send stuff from China is infinitesimal
Yet they use the same planes, and the same avgas.
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December 11, 2018 7:14pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  It’s also more expensive to fly FROM NZ to Europe with AirNZ than the other way round. Same planes, same flights, same costs – 50% more expensive.
  
  Fun trying to book flights on the .co.uk site – they really don’t like it.
  
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  December 11, 2018 7:28pm
  - Tall Man
    
    China Southern..China Air, Qatar and Emirates.
    
    Don’t waste your time with AirNZ…in my opinion.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:07pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      We did Thai last time. Good from Bangkok to London and back but business was underwhelming on the NZ leg in both directions. The 380’s much better naturally.
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:10pm
Inandout

Westfield mall in Brisbane had a 7 yr old girl abducted and sexually assaulted by a man who has name suppression. The assault was kept quiet for two days and the court was closed to public. Other parents are pissed off.
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December 11, 2018 7:19pm
Nostradamus

From Nasska’s Religion Today file: Nuns embezzled ‘substantial’ funds from Catholic school to bankroll Vegas gambling trips

“Sister Mary Margaret and Sister Lana have expressed to me and asked that I convey to you, the deep remorse they each feel for their actions and ask for your forgiveness and prayers,” Monsignor Meyers said in his letter.
“They and their order pray that you have not lost trust or faith in the educators and administrators of the school.”

Crime doesn’t ~~pray~~ pay.
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December 11, 2018 7:47pm
- nasska
  
  ….”trust or faith in the educators and administrators of the school”…..
  
  My trust & faith in the venal Godnutters hasn’t changed an iota Nostra! 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2018 7:54pm
  - GoVege
    
    There’s a theory that a lot of men who go in for “the ministry” are fighting (fairly unsuccessfully) their own evil impulses.
    Probably why so many of them are sociopathic…
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:45pm
    - nasska
      
      You’ll get no argument from me on that score GoVege but I’m unsure that the “Brides of Christ” are much better. Some of the anecdotes I’ve heard from women who’ve had the misfortune to endure a convent education suggest that most of the nuns were psychopaths.
      
      Those brought up in Catholic orphanages really bore the brunt of their cruelty.
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:00pm
  - GoVege
    
    Btw nasska, does your other half share your non-beliefs?
    Mr GV has gone all religious now he’s pushing 60.
    He’s apparently blaming me for my daughter and her hubby not attending church…because I’m “a f**king atheist!”
    I told him today, “do you really expect a guy going for his PhD to believe that sh*t?”
    That shut him up. 🙂
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:54pm
    - nasska
      
      Mrs Nasska is more anti religion than I GoVege. As an 8YO kid she was molested by a neighbour who was an elder in a local church. No one would lift a finger against the arsehole until her estranged father came up from the South Island & put the deviant in hospital for a few months.
      
      As a consequence our kids were brought up in a totally atheistic home. The absence of mythical deities from their upbringing coupled with the love of two committed parents allowed them to develop into the good citizens that they are.
      
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      December 11, 2018 9:07pm
      - Swifty
        
        I admire you nasska.
        
        I have had some quite difficult conversations with my three kids over the years – as I’ve always done my best to tell them the truth and as our best evidence supports – and without fanciful or wishful thinking about where we all end up etc.
        
        Tough, but ultimately one of the most rewarding responsibilities I have ever undertaken.
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:28pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Mrs Nasska is more anti religion than I
        
        You’ve had countless run-ins with our friend Scott over the years. I think you’ll need to break this news to him gently!
        
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        December 11, 2018 9:33pm
- howitis
  
  Is that the plot for Sister Act 3: Dirty Habits ?
  
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  December 11, 2018 10:35pm
Nostradamus

Stephieboy has previously assured us that Melbourne is safe:

Jack5 , rather different take by the Daily Mail,
1 Police have things under control
2 It is based on a spat between rival gangs (who happen to be of African origin)
3 Taylors Hill is 25ks from Melbourne CBD and the city has not descended into chaos and anarchy.

Jack5 helpfully (and politely) pointed out that the Daily Mail is published in London – half a world away from Melbourne. But Stephieboy (confirming his title as Kiwiblog’s dumbest commenter) doubled-down on his ignorance: “the Daily Mail’s report is 3 hours old. As Tabloids go I tend to believe them than the salacious Sun Herald”.

Now: Victoria Police release CCTV footage of ‘brutal’ St Kilda brawl that left two men unconscious

A gang of youths stomped and kicked two Melbourne men until they lost consciousness, new CCTV footage reveals, in an assault that police have described as “brutal” and “senseless”. … The incident follows a spate of violence in St Kilda, a popular beach precinct in Melbourne. … They were approached by a group of up to 10 youths, who police said were of African-Australian appearance.

What does the Daily Mail say about this one, Stephieboy?
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December 11, 2018 8:13pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Ah no, Melbourne definitely not safe…
  Youth violence in the inner city streets on a Saturday night/Sunday morning is a major, major problem. Often the perpetrators are not members of the lumpenproletariat either.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:22pm
- Swifty
  
  Hyenas.
  
  Only good in a pack too I see.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:32pm
Suze Wainwright

Ha ha, had to laugh.
Walking down Molesworth Street this afternoon after the the Medicinal Cannabis Bill.
Group of middle-aged pot heads having a celebratory joint in the street. One of them had obviously rolled an extra thick, juicy one for the occasion. So overcome with the occasion he got into an utterly uncontrollable coughing fit…
Really funny to watch…
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December 11, 2018 8:20pm
- nasska
  
  I bet you pissed your self on the spot!
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:22pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I did
    
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    December 11, 2018 8:51pm
nasska

Stephie’s out the back blowing his goat Nostra but I’ll try to answer your query for him.

“Other people do it too!”
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December 11, 2018 8:20pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Stephie’s out the back blowing his goat
  
  I’m glad we have someone as open-minded and non-judgemental as you, who can look through the steamy garden shed window and see what the resident pervert is doing, and then report back to us!
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:30pm
- Swifty
  
  He must go through drums of Thibenzole.
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:34pm
Swifty

Dear God, whatever will we garnish our pavs with this Xmas?

Will Cindy call for an enquiry to look in to this obvious cartel behaviour which is ripping off hard-working Kiwis?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/109178370/christmas-strawberry-price-hike-unavoidable
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December 11, 2018 8:39pm
- Tall Man
  
  With or without needles….
  
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  December 11, 2018 8:54pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Grow your own is the answer.
    Much sweeter too.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:26pm
MrTips

Fucking arseholes. https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/109275931/air-new-zealand-strikes-extended-to-three-days-during-negotiation

If they strike from 21-23 Dec I will initiate a class action against the union for ruining thousands of holidays, inckuding mine. Total greed.
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December 11, 2018 9:36pm
- Nostradamus
  
  MrTips:
  
  My sense (informed only by media reports) is that the unions think that the public will blame Air NZ (as the public-facing organisation that will have to deal with angry customers). I think Air NZ pre-emptively released its media statement the other day to lay the groundwork for defending itself.
  
  Union members voted overwhelmingly in favour of industrial action in response to the company’s low offer and requests for cuts to sick leave and overtime.
  
  This is where I get irritated. The way that Stuff has written this makes it sound like an objective statement, whereas I suspect it’s more likely to reflect a union spokeperson’s characterisation of Air NZ’s position.
  
  Here’s one way to resolve this: the union can publish Air NZ’s offer and its specific response to each element of Air NZ’s offer. Then we can make up our own minds.
  
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  December 11, 2018 9:47pm
  - MrTips
    
    That’s nice. If they strike, I will fucking sue them. And I’ve let Bill Newsom know that.
    
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    December 11, 2018 9:53pm
  - itstricky
    
    This is where I get irritated.
    
    Yeah, but you’re only getting irritated in one direction.
    
    Publicly publishing the salaries and conditions of its workers to get sympathy is a pretty low blow and underhanded thing to do. You’re don’t seem to be very irritated about that.
    
    the union can publish Air NZ’s offer and its specific response to each element of Air NZ’s offer
    
    You presume that none of that is confidential in any way.
    
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    December 12, 2018 7:07am
srylands

What a cluster fuck

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/109275931/air-new-zealand-strikes-extended-to-three-days-during-negotiation
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December 11, 2018 10:10pm
simpleton1

Such a nice lad, he only wanted to do a bit of pig hunting with those knives.

arrested him at a Muslim prayer hall he shouted “you’re all pigs, look at you like lambs to the slaughter… you will be slaughtered at the hands of Allah”. https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/12/11/11/52/bankstown-teenage-terror-plotter-jailed-for-at-least-12-years

“Strike me dead”, if only he was going to leave Allah to do that.
Is that how his base ideology guided him? That he had a duty to strike infidels in the neck with swords?
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