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peterwn

Recently got the new Wellington phone book. Went to look up a residential number and could not find the section. You have to specifically order a second book available in December. There must be some ‘business plan’ behind this.
The internet has obviously damaged the Yellow Pages, firms used to compete against each other for bigger and bigger display ads and the revenue poured in. Telecom saw what was coming some years ago and sold off the Directories to an overseas pension fund , the decline came and the purchaser realised they had purchased a turkey. So whoever runs it now have to do the best they can.
In my opinion the value of the Yellow Pages is having it as readily accessible to as many people as possible, the ‘bait’ being the traditional alphabetical listing of numbers which traditionally included 90% or so of the population. Perhaps only 50% will bother ordering the new book, which will put the printed Yellow Pages in a downward spiral.
Another problem is people are either not bothering to get landline phones when moving house or are having their landline phones disconnected and are relying on mobile, so this means even fewer people listed in the phone book. The Directories people have had their head in the sand over this – they charge a fee to list mobile numbers and most people will not pay. Failure to address this issue will probably spell the end of phone directories – on line and printed.
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November 5, 2018 8:01am
- Return To Sender
  
  50%…. Try 10% maybe 20% max. Anyway you say all the above like it’s a negative thing?
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:07am
- waikatogirl
  
  Our white pages phone directory is a 1/3 of the size of the previous one. You are correct, nobody is paying to list their cell numbers. Many look to be taking the ‘naked’ route and dropping the use of landlines.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:07am
  - lifesgood
    
    People not listing in the directory is a bugger when you want their address and have no way of contacting them. Honestly things are going from bad to worse as far as convenience goes. I know people don’t write or send cards much any more but I do and the telephone directory was so useful for addresses, often when i know exactly where someone lives but not their street number.
    
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    November 5, 2018 8:23am
    - VicParking
      
      Thats what google earth and street view is good for!!
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:46am
      - lifesgood
        
        I’ve tried that, street numbers are almost impossible to see most of the time.
        
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        November 5, 2018 11:09am
      - waikatosinger
        
        In map view if zoomed in close enough the sections are labelled with street numbers.
        
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        November 5, 2018 11:32am
  - peterwn
    
    And even worse for Chorus, mobile broadband is competitive with copper broadband and Spark has been actively marketing this. So much so that Chorus has been lobbying to get a slice of 5G broadband action. If your naked copper broadband fails, it is probably better to move to mobile broadband than have the hassle and delay of having the fault fixed.
    
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    November 5, 2018 8:29am
  - Jack5
    
    Besides the demise of line phones, does mean that most world wide web access will be via smart phones and tablets – and that the great fibre cable network will be used overwhelmingly for Netflix and other TV entertainment?
    
    Cable was going to kick New Zealand into a technology power. And Dunedin was going to be a super-tech hub. Mmm.
    
    Another question: what becomes of all the online surveys, whose random-selections were made from white pages? How will the statisticians compile a “population” to make random choices from?
    
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    November 5, 2018 8:40am
    - peterwn
      
      No doubt Curia and other surveyors will find a way round the problem and how they do it would be commercially sensitive information.
      
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      November 5, 2018 10:49am
    - DigNap15
      
      Jack, you seem to be living in the past.
      In ten years time the only peopl3 with landlines will be over age 70!
      (and business – but they will be on the cloud as well)
      
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      November 5, 2018 6:01pm
  - KiWombat
    
    – sigh –
    
    Spark don’t have landlines in our area, so we aren’t even wired up. Even Vodafone reception is a bit frail whenever it starts to rain –
    
    But there has always been a pallett of directories at the post shop, and they are keen to move them out as quickly as possible. Mrs W has been using them for years for something to do with gardening, so I keep loading another 20 or so onto the back whenever I go into town. Looks like that won’t be available for much longer either !
    
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    November 5, 2018 8:59am
    - peterwn
      
      Spark do not have landlines, they merely re-sell Chorus landlines.
      
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      November 5, 2018 10:46am
    - Twinkletoes
      
      What is a ‘post shop’?
      
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      November 5, 2018 12:50pm
      - KiWombat
        
        What used to be called a Post Office – but now the local general store with a corner allocated to ever declining postal activities.
        
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        November 5, 2018 3:02pm
      - peterwn
        
        A post shop (one or two still exist) is a place where you can courier a bunch of keys (which some poor guy mislaid in NZ) to Melbourne by their allegedly super fast service for $50 and they still take a week to get there.
        
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        November 5, 2018 4:34pm
- Andrei
  
  Nobody I know under 70 has a landline anymore
  
  And who uses the yellow pages when you can use Google?
  
  In fact telephone numbers are almost like IP addresses in that you don’t have to know them generally to make the call
  
  In anycase the print in the phone directory is so small very few people can read it
  
  I don’t even get one anymore
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:20am
  - fernglas
    
    I have a landline. I just love those people calling from Mumbai to tell me there is a problem with my Windows. The only thing better is the ones who want my opinion about various feminine hygiene products. If it wasn’t for my landline, no-one would ever want to talk to me
    
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    November 5, 2018 8:45am
  - Jack5
    
    Andrei, our land line is useful for the free national and international calling we get as part of our broadband fibre plan.
    
    During the Christchurch earthquakes, older, simpler land line phone sets that didn’t have too many bells and whistles worked on the light voltage that comes down copper lines.
    
    This was useful while the cellphone networks were swamped for a time. You could still get calls in and out.
    
    Our “line phones” now connect through the fibre network and the fibre modem runs on mains electricity. If the electricity supply goes down, as it did during the Christchurch earthquake, there will be no “line phone” access.
    
    As for Fernglas, one of the drawbacks of line phones are the callers from Stephiestan telling us that they are from Microsoft and want to help us fix our computer. And the roof-moss cleaners. And land agents.
    
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    November 5, 2018 8:46am
    - KiWombat
      
      I had an awful lot of fun with one of those callers many years ago now – when we did have a land line. Somebody had noticed that our house looked as though it needed a coat of paint – of course they had to ask my address – so it was painfully obvious nobody had noticed my house at all.
      
      After several minutes of entertaining banter they discovered that my house was brick and tile, with aluminium windows. Nothing that needed a coat of paint (other than a gable which was not discussed.)
      
      Eventually the penny dropped, and caller suggested they could not be of any assistance, but I persevered with that call because my letterbox was in dire need of refreshment !
      
      Click !
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:22am
    - peterwn
      
      Modern landlines are less resilient than in the old days. All traditional phone exchanges of over a few thousand lines or so had a standby generator which could be started by the technicians if the power was off for more than a brief period. Cabinets rely on batteries and do not have standby generators. So if you are served from a cabinet (and many were installed to give reasonable copper broadband capability) your landline phone goes dead when the cabinet battery goes flat. The most resilient phones were the old fashioned magneto phones (where you wound the handle to call the exchange and where the phone operator wound her handle to ring the phone being called). They had two large torch type batteries (no. 6 batteries) to power the carbon microphone which lasted 6 months to a few years. Great Barrier Island was the last place in NZ to have these phones.
      
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      November 5, 2018 11:00am
  - Woz
    
    We still have a landline. Disregarding those helpful people from Mumbai always wanting to fix my computer, probably 99% of the calls made to it are from the same three people. My mobile phone plan includes unlimited calling to NZ and Aus mobiles/landlines, so there is no need to ever call out on the landline. If we flip over to fibre broadband at some point (the fibre is run) it’s likely to be naked.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:34am
    - Flash
      
      Have to keep the landline because
      a. there is no mobile service
      
      b. the internet winds its way slowly down the line – think of a party line which can only let one person use it at a time. There are 16 households using it and all but 2 have multiple internet users.
      (10.30 on a Monday morning is quite a good time to try getting on line as most people are out on the farm -)
      
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      November 5, 2018 10:29am
  - gorse
    
    You city folk only think city. There are thousands and thousands of country folk, myself included, who don’t have cellphone coverage at home or outside. Absolutely rely on copper lines, we use satelite TV and carry a satelite phone for emergencies. This won’t change while my backside points earthwards.
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:39am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    If I had a dollar for every call made by neighbours from my landline in the earthquake years, I would be a rich ex-Christchurchian!
    
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    November 5, 2018 12:52pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  The end of online phone listings ?
  
  I don’t think so.
  The physical books ? Everything’s online now.
  Remember cheques ? Kids don’t.
  
  Those very naughty people causing ‘problems’ giving up their landlines – we’ll have to round them all up and encourage a more Amish approach to this modern changing world.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:30am
  - GazzaW
    
    Hear hear LRC.
    
    I threw out my chequebook at the weekend. The last cheque I wrote was in December, 2012. The landline went four years ago with absolutely zero inconvenience to our household and no one misses the charity hustlers or real estate agents calling dead on dinnertime or the Indians wanting to fix our computers. The last vestige of Luddism is sitting forlornly in our garage – the filing cabinet. We’ve gone paperless as well. Yes, I know that we could regret these rash actions in the event of an earthquake, cyber-attack or solar flares but we’ll take that chance and embrace technology to the full.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:25am
    - Woz
      
      My filing cabinet is relegated to the garage too. Except instead of paper it now contains paint tins and bottles of car polish.
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:36am
      - GazzaW
        
        Thanks Woz – a great idea.
        
        None of the charity shops wanted it. Remember when offices were wall to wall filing cabinets?
        
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        November 5, 2018 9:43am
- Liberty
  
  I cancelled my yellow pages as it was over priced and their search engine is crap.
  The biggest fault with the phone directory is the font size.
  At one time it was 3 col now it 4 col plus a smaller font.
  The drop in white pages is the biggest concern.
  If a customer was listed with an address. It was 99% chance. They were less of a credit risk.
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    And how are political polls taken? What is the demographic with land lines these days? Mind you I have one and I’ve been turned down 3 times by political polls due to my true blue area code and age.
    
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    November 5, 2018 11:14am
- Komata
  
  Appropos the so-called ‘White Pages’.
  
  FWIW, in some rural areas, the local service clubs seem to have taken on the responsibility for providing this information. I live in the Central Waikato and the local Rotary Club sends out a questionnaire asking if we wish to have our names listed within a directory they are creating. Your entry is , of course, entirely optional. On the basis of information received, they then compile a ‘Master’ list, before once a year (at present) depositing a nicely bound little volume in my letter box at no charge. Presumably production costs are covered by the advertising which appears within the Directory.
  
  This ‘Community Directory’ covers the local town and adjacent areas and completely removes the need for a ‘conventional’ telephone book such as we had before the Yellow Pages were sold off.
  
  We still get the Yellow Pages, but they are little used, with any ‘District’ services being covered by a locally-focused ‘A-Z business directory, produced by a subsidiary of a nation-wide newspaper organisation. Again, there is no cost.
  
  As I said, FWIW. No doubt others have similar situations witthin their own areas.
  
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  November 5, 2018 11:00am
Scott

Amongst the worst decisions of the worst government ever, and there are many candidates including the latest immigration debacle, must be the decision to stop all future oil and gas exploration. The government has also stepped in to stop additional coalmining on the West Coast. This has meant that we are now in the position of having to import coal from overseas.

Labour and the Greens would no doubt say that we are going to replace traditional fossil fuels with renewable energy such as solar and wind power. However these sources of energy are intermittent and often unavailable when they are needed the most.For example, on December 7, 2011, the day of peak winter electricity demand in the United Kingdom, the output of more than 3,000 wind turbines in the UK was less than five percent of rated output.

Here in the Wairarapa as we travel over to Palmerston North we can see the wind turbines often not turning and sitting idly. They are apparently expensive to maintain. Wind turbines are also very noisy and disturb any nearby residents with a deep hum that some find impossible to live with. They also are notorious for killing birdlife. They also are seen as unsightly and detrimental to the landscape.

It seems that so-called green energy such as solar and wind power are only viable when accompanied by massive government subsidies. But as a primary source of energy they are unreliable as there are many days when the wind doesn’t blow sufficiently and the sun doesn’t shine.

Short of massive technological breakthroughs green energy is not a viable source of our main supply of energy. The current government’s war on oil and gas and coal is shortsighted and based on green ideology. It appears to be part of our government’s determination to drive our economy into recession.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/why-green-energy-will-never-replace-fossil-fuels.php
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November 5, 2018 8:01am
- cmm
  
  “It seems that so-called green energy such as solar and wind power are only viable when accompanied by massive government subsidies. ”
  
  … and massive coal/gas burning back-up generation which work far less efficiently than they normally do because they have to work in “bursts” to fit in with the wind etc.
  
  “Short of massive technological breakthroughs…”
  Unfortunately many of those are not just technological breaktroughs. Many would require violating the laws of physics.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:20am
- peterwn
  
  Despite the name of the web site ‘Powerline’ it is run by a bunch of lawyers and a policy wonk. Seems NZ firms have made wind power work, a big advantage NZ has is the energy storage needed to cover erratic operations already exists – the existing hydro dams.
  The most effective long term source of ‘green’ energy is nuclear, but the public has been conditioned against it, so is off the table (Greenpeace originally split because some Greenpeace people favoured nuclear power to overcome pollution problems).
  A power shortage that bites is needed to bring politicians back to reality. Retaining the old machines at Huntly has saved the day but they are expensive to run so spot prices are higher. Small retailers and their customers on tariffs tied to spot prices are hurting and starting to squeal. They are calling for the Electricity Authority to ‘do something’, as they think high spot prices are a ‘gentailer’ conspiracy.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:22am
  - Jack5
    
    Peterwn, you say: ” … a big advantage NZ has is the energy storage needed to cover erratic operations already exists – the existing hydro dams.”
    
    I think you’re wrong. Our hydro system over all has poor storage, compared with a hydro-power country like Norway. We just don’t have enough suitable deep valleys. We are also a conservation-minded people who have resisted some storage plans. For example, raising the level of Lake Manapouri.
    
    Some of our big dams run with days rather than weeks of storage. Our hydro is also subject to weather whims that effect rainfall, snow, and snow melt.
    
    Because of this, and because of the vagaries of wind, and the flaws of geothermal (sources tend to move, to stop – think of the tourist geysers in Rotorua), NZ badly needs thermal generation (coal or gas) as a guard against both supply variation, and to meet supply peaks.
    
    Another problem with our hydro resources, is that many of them are a long way from the regions of high demand, such as Auckland. Infrastructure to transport the electricity is expensive, and there are losses in transmission.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:00am
    - peterwn
      
      The reality is despite lack of deep long term storage, the wind farms and hydro stations in NZ do complement each other. At some point wind farm saturation will occur and new projects would then be uneconomic.
      Long transmission lines for hydro stations is a fact of life. The transmission losses involved have to be tolerated or the energy source would be unavailable. This does not mean that wind farms need to be close to hydro dams since the grid infrastructure is already there and requires only minor tweaking to accommodate wind farms. Nuclear stations if ever built will also require relatively long transmission lines as they would be built away from population centres.
      
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      November 5, 2018 11:14am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I’m with Peterwn here, at the current levels of supply our wind generation meshes with the Hydro supply pretty well. Geothermal may be “natural” but it isn’t really capable of the fast ramp up (and down) needed to complement wind.
        
        And yes, there is a point, though I’m not sure close to that we are, where we would have insufficient Hydro to buffer additional wind. That may also be location dependent, there’s probably more buffer in the South Island.
        
        Nuclear would require excessive length of transmission, probably less than integrating Manapouri. A prime site for Nuclear is the Kaipara North Head peninsula, and that is pretty close to the major consumption point of Auckland. The drawback to North Kaipara is that prevailing Westerlies would spread any fallout from an uncontained accident across the island. But a better site is probably hard to find.
        
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        November 5, 2018 3:01pm
- Justitia
  
  Everything you say is correct. The oil and gas ban edict is indeed the worst decision inflicted so far by this rabble of a coalition. The undemocratic and secretive way in which it was made is also deeply offensive and frankly dangerous. It is hard to find words sufficiently powerful to condemn it and the fools who have perpetrated it on New Zealand – Ardern, Peters and Shaw.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:25am
  - calendar girl
    
    That unheralded decision by Ardern’s Government destroyed the incomes of numerous businesses and individuals. It also reduced, wantonly, this country’s partial fuel self-sufficiency (and therefore a measure of its sovereign independence).
    
    All because an immature Prime Minister, with domestic and international ambitions stretching well beyond both her intelligence and her common sense, felt a need to signal her international leftist credentials. What New Zealand has suffered, and will suffer, as a result of this previously-undeclared ‘policy’ was an abuse of executive power. The decision, including how it was announced and implemented, was disgraceful.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:32am
  - Paulus
    
    Who is that person called Shaw ?
    Heard of him once I think.
    Still the tail but cannot wag as it would be chopped off.
    
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    November 5, 2018 1:44pm
    - starboard
      
      Oh, that’s Jimmy- 2- mums.
      
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      November 5, 2018 4:25pm
- jcuk
  
  It is nice to have 100% from one source but to replace it one needs to assemble a number of options with each one being used to cover the gaps in production from others.
  
  All this nonsense about the drop out from wind power should be ignored or balanced against the total production from all sources. As wind drops so we pick up the need with Hydro etc.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:27am
- oldgolfer
  
  Wait till the hydro lakes drop.
  They will.
  We are headed for a dry year.
  Someone is going to have to explain why the lights are flickering.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:30am
  - Lance
    
    It’ll be John Key’s fault
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:02am
  - Flash
    
    And why there are still cold, damp houses –
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:33am
    - Tall Man
      
      Because they are occupied by stupid fuckers that have no idea how to live in a house.
      
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      November 5, 2018 11:07am
    - starboard
      
      ” 9 long years of neglect “….
      
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      November 5, 2018 4:26pm
  - peterwn
    
    They are dropping. The generating companies have anticipated this and this is why the old Huntly machines are being used now (or in the near future) so lake levels are sufficient for next winter’s peak. That is why spot prices are high at the moment.
    Genesis is not Mother Teresa and expects to get a return on keeping these machines available. It had to go public with threats to scrap them to ensure it was not going to be shafted again by the Electricity Authority as it was a few years ago.
    
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    November 5, 2018 11:32am
- redeye
  
  Bullshit is inflammable. Perhaps that’s where the coalition is planning to get it’s green energy?
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:32am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    If bullshit was music, the Labour-led government would be a brass band 😀
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:52am
  - peterwn
    
    Heard of Mobil Oil’s dabbling in biomass – Mobull .
    
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    November 5, 2018 11:33am
- Monique Watson
  
  Totally agree. Just the metal fatigue factor alone would cause the cost to maintain the towers to be huge and shorten the life of the turbines.
  None of this has been factored into the Government’s costings and energy policies, of course.
  JA is so naive. Ardern wants to reinact the legacy of Lange. But he threw the baby out with the bath water. She’s doing the same and it will screw the economy. Labour will screw Taranaki first then the East Coast and finally back to Wellington as small businesses with international sales pipelines close.
  Lange was as decent and as open a politician and an individual that you can imagine. But his anti-nuclear policies were mismanaged and caused huge fissures in international relations. And a subsequent economic downturn.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:13am
- marcw
  
  This report is most damning of those fake renewable apostles. We are being led to a massive expensive failure, and all those young “green” renewable sycophants will be the ones who will end up suffering.
  
  http://catallaxyfiles.com/2018/11/03/more-means-worse-wrecking-the-grid-with-unreliable-energy/
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:45am
- GazzaW
  
  http://forums.canadiancontent.net/showthread.php?t=138950
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:46am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Calculators at the ready?
  How many high end Tesla batteries do you need to store the equivalent of one clyde dam?
  http://zebu.uoregon.edu/disted/ph162/l8.html
  Tesla Powerwall 2 has double the capacity of the original Powerwall – 13.5 kWh of usable energy storage capacity. It also has a much greater power output capability of 7kW peak and 5kW continuous.
  Clyde dam, 1 000 000 m3
  Answer: Approx 23 000 @ $12 000 each $260 mil
  Just for the batteries.
  Then there are the extra towers/turbines and solar panels to charge them, the land to put them on and the maintenance.
  Much cheaper and easier to burn coal, oil and gas.
  Then deal with the waste products after.
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:18am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s way worse than that. clyde dam has 60m operating head in 26.4km² lake dunstan with 1m operating range. At 90% efficiency that’s about 14 TWh of storage. 3.9million kWh = 300000 13.5kWh Tesla powerwalls. $3.6Billion dollars.
    
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    November 5, 2018 12:17pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I went out, after I posted it.
      Thought 1 000 000 cubic meters was a bit small.
      It’s only 1Km x 1Km x 1 m
      
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      November 5, 2018 2:05pm
  - cmm
    
    And don’t forget that Tesla batteries are not generation. They are only storage, and relatively inefficient storage at that.
    
    They still need proper generators to actually charge them up.
    
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    November 5, 2018 4:31pm
- Fletch
  
  It turns out wind turbines may weaken the heart muscle as well…
  
  Prof. Wahl became interested in infrasound and its impact on health after a friend who lived near a wind park had complained of feeling continuously sick. It is known that all around the world people living near wind parks often experience health issues – some being severe.
  
  The group led by Prof. Vahl conducted an experiment to find out if infrasound has an effect on heart muscle strength. Under the measurement conditions, the force developed by isolated heart muscle was up to 20 percent less.
  
  The strength of the heart muscle is important in the event the aortic valve becomes caked up and thus more narrow. According to Dr. Vahl: “This changes the blood flow and the flow noise.”
  
  Now researchers are discussing whether these changes can pose an additional risk to the function of the heart, the Allgemeine Zeitung reported.
  
  Citing the results, Prof. Vahl said: “The fundamental question of whether infrasound can affect the heart muscle has been answered.”
  
  The researchers conclude: “We are at the very beginning, but we can imagine that long-term impact of infrasound causes health problems. The silent noise of infrasound acts like a heart jammer.”
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/01/delingpole-wind-turbines-can-harm-heart-says-german-professor/
  
  https://www.allgemeine-zeitung.de/lokales/mainz/nachrichten-mainz/windkraft-storsender-furs-herz-mainzer-forscher-untersuchen-folgen-des-infraschalls_18566513
  
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  November 5, 2018 2:01pm
Woz

Our racist, ranting friend Joel Maxwell is at it again. Can anybody explain the psychology that compels me to read the drunken ravings of a self-righteous bigot?
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November 5, 2018 8:03am
- tas
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108316927/playing-with-the-notion-that-pkeh-is-a-racist-word
  
  I couldn’t read more than half of it. The precious imbecile is offended that some people might be offended by something he thinks they have no right to be offended about.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:24am
- fernglas
  
  Man’s a wally
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:47am
  - Colville
    
    you are far too polite.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:49am
- JIV
  
  “So, in the words of a famous imaginary Pākehā detective (Agatha Christie, I think): the game’s afoot!”
  
  There is so much wrong with this sentence I dont know where to start.
  1) Sherlock Holmes is not an Agatha Christie character
  2) actually Shakespeare said it first in Henry V (thanks to 5 seconds of google searching)
  3) Do we call every person, who is not Maori, a Pakeha. Thats a little elitist isnt it. Does that include Asians, Africans or even people from a few hundred years ago before Maori were invented?
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:58am
  - Jack5
    
    Because of high intermarriage in NZ, many people who identify as white and perhaps most who identify as Maori, are of mixed race.
    
    Should we coin a new description for us them? Perhaps, Mākēhā or Makeha?
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:08am
    - Komata
      
      jack5
      
      Re: ‘Should we coin a new description for us them’?
      
      How about ‘Anglo’ or ‘Anglo-Kiwi’, or ‘Anglo-New Zealander’ for us who are not ‘Mix and match’?
      
      I find the word ‘Pakeha’ both insulting and derisive, and, as I was born here, have used ‘Anglo’ or ‘Anglo-Kiwi’ for several years as it clearly defines my ancestry, my origins and my culture.
      
      Noticeably, and despite its conotations from the Raj and Empire, my adult ‘mixed-race’ children and many others of their ilk, now openly and proudly use the term ‘Half-caste’ to describe themselves.
      
      As its had its ‘teeth’ pulled from the ‘Eight Annas short of a Rupee’ days, perhaps that’s the term which should be used to describe such ‘matches, especially (as previously noted), the results of such combinations are using it themselves?
      
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      November 5, 2018 11:29am
  - backster
    
    Surely ‘Pakeha’ means every person who has a white ancestor no matter how far back.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:16am
    - Jack5
      
      So we’re all Pakeha, Backster? Just some Pakier than others?
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:18am
    - JIV
      
      So how do the Maori describe other races? If theyre white they are Pakeha, what do they call the Chinese, Indian, African or middle eastern immigrants?
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:25am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Targets?
        
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        November 5, 2018 10:00am
- Monique Watson
  
  Hope he stays away from Urban Dictionary if he is offended by every other word except for Pākehā.
  
  Oh look, autocorrect puts the doodackies over the “a”s in Pākehā.
  
  Awesome. Now where is the next squirrel?
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:24am
- JibberJabber
  
  Maxwell is the equivalent of that month old bottle of milk at the back of the fridge, you know it’s off but you have to have a whiff just to be sure.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:57am
- graham
  
  In this day and age, where we are told that we need to be sensitive to trans-sexuals, inter-sexuals, etc., and that they have the right to be called they, xhe, or some other word other than he or she …
  
  … surely I also have the right to be called what I want? Surely Joel Maxwell isn’t going to oppress me and hurt my feelings, is he?
  
  Slightly more seriously, the article is twaddle. Mr Maxwell states that “in my opinion the reason some Pakeha don’t like being called Pakeha is because they are racist.” He then develops the rest of the article from his assumption, or opinion … or guess, if we’re honest.
  
  I would suggest that his opinion is, in itself, bigoted. That he is obstinately attached to an opinion about other people’s beliefs and practices (to paraphrase Merriam-Webster). That he cannot believe or accept that anybody would object to being called Pakeha for ANY OTHER REASON than that they are racist. Which is a pretty narrow-minded viewpoint to have.
  
  Should start a sweepstake on how long before the comments get closed!
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:33am
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

Why is it that when I tuned into the cricket and heard Ish Sodhi was bowling, I immediately thought the *Paki’s* had won the toss and put New Zealand into bat?
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November 5, 2018 8:04am
- Biscuit
  
  secondcumming, I was in the car the other day and had the radio broadcast on of the Wellington Phoenix game in Brisbane.
  
  The only name I recognised was the Phoenix player Durante.
  
  So the commentator would tell me that ‘(Player A) passes to (Player B) and he moves it wide to (Player C) where he is fouled by (Player Z)’ … with me having NO idea which team was in possession and doing all the passing/moving/fouling involved…
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:11am
- VicParking
  
  The same reason when you here that Allan Alaalatoa just pass the ball you think Samoa is playing the All Blacks. Get a Life.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:11am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    haha – did non-NZ or Japanese born players outnumber their team mates at the rugby ?
    
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    November 5, 2018 8:36am
    - VicParking
      
      Did Island Players not outnumber the……. In the AB’s
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:53am
  - big bruv
    
    “The same reason when you here that Allan Alaalatoa just pass the ball you think Samoa is playing the All Blacks”
    
    No, you would assume that the NZ team has once again stolen a player from the Islands.
    
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    November 5, 2018 12:13pm
  - DigNap15
    
    That’s why I don’t watch the All Blacks any more – they are mostly islanders (no disrespect) but I just cant get excited or proud watching them play for NZ
    
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    November 5, 2018 6:07pm
- fernglas
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:49am
- MCos
  
  Ish Sodhi was born in India and has lived in NZ since he was four.
  He’s lived for more of his life here than Grant Elliot, Colin de Grandhomme, Neil Wagner, Mark Chapman and maybe some others for all I know.
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:34am
Lee C

That second one was really a trickle, wasn’t it?
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November 5, 2018 8:07am
cmm

When the taxpayer is paying, Labour don’t mind spending $27k on an MC, and $20k for tables, for a $1.6 million incarceration conference.

Gayford was the guest speaker at the Labour chatfest. No doubt he came cheap as the taxpayer (hopefully) was not paying for this. I expect the tables were just trestle tables from someone’s garage too.
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November 5, 2018 8:16am
- tas
  
  Either that or we’ll discover the party conference used the same table rental company as the criminals conference, but, mysteriously, their service was free for this one.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:26am
Monique Watson

I haven’t used a phone book for ten years. Recycle them.

Can’t believe the inexperience of the current crop of politicians. National doesn’t seem to have anyone in the wings. Collins. No. Too itchy trigger finger. I like Bridges but he better start drumming up some charisma.
JA is just a mouthpiece for Comrade Klark as we all know. With a baby. Shades of Chelsea Clinton. With JA as Clark’s Chelsea.
Dark side of the moon of Kiwi politics.
Good morning from Alamo California. Daylight savings here. Nice day. Garden is looking good. The dahlias are blooming.
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November 5, 2018 8:17am
- VicParking
  
  Haven’t had a landline in 10 years.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:21am
- sooty
  
  Recyle? I have a bloody great big bin that everything goes in!
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:23am
- septic skeptic
  
  I miss the Yellow pages directory. It made for a great low cost monitor stand, but now they are too thin.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:28am
- waikatogirl
  
  Morning Monique, All around NZ we have to go investigate our gardens after close to galeforce winds all weekend.
  
  Monique for PM! ?
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:45am
  - Monique Watson
    
    🙂 Thanks MW. I’ve got to get at least five years more life experience under my belt.
    Btw, it’s the message innit? Babies aren’t disposable products to be slotted into a political career.
    It won’t sell in the Provinces.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:35am
- Harkman
  
  Yes Chelsea Clinton is a good analogy. Another woman who has done nothing in life but wants power.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:02am
  - sooty
    
    The only thing she has is mummys foundation!
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Hubby is related to George Soros which helps.
    
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    November 5, 2018 1:49pm
- Biscuit
  
  Monique, what’s your call on the midterms?
  
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  November 5, 2018 11:34am
oldpark

Sssshhh! Sounds as if the inquiry and report on our next budding Deputy Police Commissioner Wally Haumahu has been released to NZFs Tracey Martin .
Remember at the time of Haumaha’s Promotion it was alleged that “Foxy” Peters fingerprints were all over it. Was even said that NZF had greased the skids. After all Haumaha was once a potential candidate for NZF.Haumaha was accused of being a bully boy. Hence the inquiry.
Tracey Martin has got the report paid for by NZs long suffering taxpayers. She intends to let her mates in NZF pontificate on it. Of course including “Foxy” Peters. Next Ardern will also read the report,and put it in the too hard file ,by now overflowing with please explains.
It is now being suggested that the report will not be released to the Mainstream Media or Public.
Question might what is going on,and why the secrecy. Go Figure? is there a potential coverup in the making. Surely not by NZF and “Foxy” Peters. Yeah!Right!
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November 5, 2018 8:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Maybe someone can leak a recording of Tracey and Winnie discussing the report.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:38am
  - stephieboy
    
    Maybe you can oblige?
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:38am
    - VicParking
      
      Morning Stephie. This should make you smile
      https://gulfnews.com/news/asia/india/justiceforgoat-trends-as-pregnant-goat-gang-raped-by-8-men-1.2258452
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      November 5, 2018 11:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t do smears, or tell lies, or abuse other folk, or leak material.
      
      They seem to be specialities of anonymous folk.
      
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      November 5, 2018 11:48am
  - Tricati
    
    Just read between the lines – all will be answered
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:01am
secondcumming

PEOPLE THAT CAN *F – OFF* THIS WEEK….

Dishonored Czechs (they used to send them back immediately)

Lime Juicers

Old people with walking sticks on pedestrian crossings (we haven’t got all fucking day!)

Cyclists sharing a banana

Siamese cats

Women wearing a Burqa and Nike’s

Dwarfs…. on Sky16 (FFS!!)

And I wont be mentioning
Arabs who dissolve body-parts in acid

More to follow……
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November 5, 2018 8:19am
- VicParking
  
  Red Radio
  Failing Newspaper
  Whanganui Chronicle
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:23am
- jcuk
  
  >>>Old people with walking sticks on pedestrian crossings (we haven’t got all fucking day!)<<<
  
  As a reasonable person who heard and saw a bus tooting me as I picked up my wife from immediately oiutside her bank, but was on one end of a very long bus stop …. "just wait until he is old and finds it hard to move quickly"
  
  One of the things I enjoy in older age is the ability to relax from the mad urgency of younger years which surrounds me these days.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:39am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Heard it said once, and now I know….”growing old is not for sissies”.
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:25am
- SGA
  
  Cyclists sharing a banana
  
  It’s not really a banana – those lyrca pants are very flattering.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:08am
  - VicParking
    
    “Here try this, just wait till we get home ?”
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:00am
- Harkman
  
  Nikes yes
  
  Clark Gayford, yet the guy will still claim that families are off limits.
  
  White Neo Marxist primary school principals who start school assemblies with extreme levels of Maori when the school is virtually all white.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:16am
  - lifesgood
    
    If there’s one thing that gives me the shits it’s smart alec white people addressing an all white audience in maori. All it does is put everyone in the audience’s backs up.
    
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    November 5, 2018 11:20am
  - KevOB
    
    That will cease. Students are getting increasingly irritated. Also the race to virtue is killing off Te Reo. Pakeha wannabes show no respect for the essential cultural nature of Maori and appropriate words with significant meanings. Forget grammar too.
    
    I knew Te Reo was dying from lack of serious use and no possibility of adequately passing it on. I wasn’t expecting the Pakeha to take it out by mangling it.
    
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    November 5, 2018 4:13pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”I wasn’t expecting the Pakeha to take it out by mangling it.”…..
      
      Let’s do this! 🙂
      
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      November 5, 2018 4:55pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Not only that but during Maori Language week, not one of the four or five Maori guys that I work with spoke Maori to me, but they all said hello, howzit etc and other nice things
      
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      November 5, 2018 6:11pm
      - KevOB
        
        It’s going just the way the Elders in the 1930’s predicted. A major problem at the tribal level is the language is purely oral with carvings and panels also recording history. That is where battles of accession are recorded and genealogies passing on titular and land rights. This knowledge is kept to a reserved few.
        
        Street Maori confers nothing more than ancillary communications with an awkward grammar in competition with the more versatile English. For those closely attached to a marae they will have a sense of place and an insight into the nature of their historical treasury but not its details.
        
        It behooves Maori to teach their own or else they will be in danger of loosing their cultural self. This is not national schooling stuff or TV but teaching by Elders to pass on their knowledge while it is still available.
        
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        November 5, 2018 7:41pm
VicParking

The failing Newspaper ran an article on how Obama dealt with hecklers at his latest Election Rally. They did not mention he had less than 4000 in a 8000 capacity venue. No wonder he could hear the hecklers. Trump filled a 10000 arena and had to put up screens outside for the overflow. People slept in their car to get in. Two ticks Blue!!
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November 5, 2018 8:19am
- Harkman
  
  It’s Obama dividing America, not Trump. When has an ex President publicly criticised the incumbent for trying to defend the borders? Never. The Obama Presidency inspired the black race hustlers who hate white people because they knew if things got heated Obama would publicly intervene on their behalf.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:13am
  - kowtow
    
    I see he called them poor refugees .
    
    Why don’t they claim asylum in the first country they come to.
    
    It’s a bit like those Nauru “refugees” who turned down a slot in the US when they were told they’d have to work and not get any benefits , “No . it’s Aussie or bust”
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:38am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Harkman, rubbish!
    
    Divided States of America,
    
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/divided-states-of-america/
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:49am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Harkman says “It’s Obama dividing America not Trump”
      
      Stephie says “Harkman,rubbish”
      
      But the link Stephie then gives says;
      “FRONTLINE investigates the partisanship that gridlocked Washington in the Obama era, and the polarized America that Donald Trump inherits as president.”
      
      Another own goal from the retard.
      So funny
      
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      November 5, 2018 10:04am
      - Tall Man
        
        Steffy girl is just posting the snippets that labour HQ tell her to. Neither she nor labour have the intellect to actually read and comprehend an article. They just luv Ardern so much.
        
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        November 5, 2018 10:54am
- geoff3012
  
  Think you mean 2 ticks red……sorta back to front overthere….
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Sarcasim…
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:02am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      A taxable commodity soon (Sarcasm)
      
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      November 5, 2018 10:28am
  - MCos
    
    Vicparking isn’t so bright.
    He probably thinks there’s an election in NZ
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:40am
    - VicParking
      
      MCos would not understand sarcasm if it was shoved in his mouth.
      
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      November 5, 2018 12:31pm
- rangitoto
  
  It’s red over there.
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:36am
tknorriss

Another total backfire by JLR this morning with the latest release of a recording.

The media are trying to draw the worst possible implications. But even they fall flat.

All it sounds like is the sort of conversation I might have with one of my employees I was trying to get back on the right track in the least damaging way possible.

If this is the worst that JLR can do, then National should just ignore his rantings.
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November 5, 2018 8:20am
- cmm
  
  The JLR blow-up made smoke to hide the Handley saga and take it off the front page.
  
  They’re hoping JRL2 can take Sroubek off the front page.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:22am
  - igm
    
    When you hear that vile Heva Dopee Marnew announcing this, it sounds as though she has struck Lotto . . . another media scumbag who pushes the left leeches at all costs!
    Who heard Leighton’s replacement giving Labour free radio advertising yesterday? What a useless and pathetic old mare . . . bet she never gets any closer than 3% of Leighton’s ratings!
    
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    November 5, 2018 8:35am
    - tf78
      
      We are presently doing a count of all the companies that advertise with Leighton – going to do the same when the old mare takes over next year. Hopefully the reduction in income could see the end of her.
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:42am
    - Chris R
      
      That Neva is an absolute oily pain-in-the-butt. I recall whenever anything which could remotely have been tough news for the Key government came up she would salivate as she read it in a voice which would suit a snake if it could read. On the other hand she more or less coos when talking about the PM or her baby. I suspect she is the most committed lefty at NewstalkZB.
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:43am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
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  It’s not the worst JLR can do, it’s the worst National possibly could have done. Parts of that tape indicates not only a coverup but JLR being rolled over the top of – the mere fact it was done over the phone shows the idiocy and the detachment shown to JLR’s situation features the cold heart of the party. I thought this would have immediately been a thread, but obviously DPF realises the potential ramifications and so proceeds cautiously. The truth is out and it didn’t come from the party itself – that’s going to bounce around for a long time.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:30am
- waikatogirl
  
  JLR asking what he has done wrong? That says it all really. Simon telling JLR if he behaves himself there may be a way back, and a possible promotion, so JLR releases this tape. Bugger off Jamie-Lee. You’re done! You’ve had your last chance… Time to find a job flipping burgers and learning a bit about life in the real world. Good luck with that.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:52am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
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    You don’t seem to have reflected on SB guaranteeing a cover up of the harassment allegations. Nor even allowing JLR to finish what he was saying. Who would have a meeting like this over the phone, that in itself is poor judgement. Now we know why PB burst out the story about a person being in a ‘marriage’ – that was the threat of uncovering the ‘coverup.’ Panic and threats, instead of patience. I don’t know if employment law applies to pollies, I believe it must through the BORA – but it sure looks like JLR was effectively fired without due process.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:02am
    - tknorriss
      
      So, put yourself in a similar situation.
      
      Imagine you have been behaving very badly at work, and that you have some major issues with depression or the like.
      
      Would you consider it “covering up” if your employers were trying to protect you by trying to minimize the possibility of you having to deal with these issues in the public eye?
      
      Or would you consider your employees were trying to protect your privacy and acting in your best interests?
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:10am
      - Nostalgia-NZ
        
        Remember the party president said that Simon was unaware of the settlement which had happened a couple of years before he became leader. Yet the tape shows Simon did know.
        
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        November 5, 2018 9:54am
      - KevOB
        
        JLR is not an employee.
        
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        November 5, 2018 4:20pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Bridges gets slammed when he tries to deal with Jami Lee Ross issues discreetly and allows him to get the help he needs . Oh the irony.
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:16am
      - Flash
        
        The current situation is at the end of a long and winding road where JLR has been a thorn in the side of a lot of people.
        He is a ‘nark’, what my mother used to call someone whose instinctive aim in life was to be as difficult as possible.
        Such people find themselves ostracised by the people who matter to them, but never understand why.
        
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        November 5, 2018 10:52am
  - Harkman
    
    JLR is just one sleazy guy.
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:07am
- trout
  
  Interesting development. The impotent release of the recording made by JLR today will surely sink his boat. The Nats can now be expected to invoke the ‘waka’ jumping legislation and get rid of him.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:42am
- johnny78
  
  Very interesting timing after that party’s conference in Dunedin…suggests coordination across the media / political left. Why were there no noisy protesters outside the conference anyway, if it was National’s conference surely there would be wall to wall fawning media coverage of every noisy Far Left protestor imaginable. Folks on the right side of the spectrum are far too nice
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:07am
  - alloytoo
    
    1. Because most “right” leaning voters were at work 2. Because they wouldn’t “Rent a crowd” far right nutters
    3. Because most “right” leaning voters don’t wish to associate with “Far Right Nutters” because they’re “Nutters.”
    
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    November 6, 2018 12:20am
- gorse
  
  More likely a backfire from the lusk/slater team
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:46am
holysheet

Reading between the lines here, could it be that no one else wanted the job?
With all the lies on a daily basis from Cindy, with ILG throwing his staff under the bus, who would want to do it?
They might say something off script and suffer the same fate.
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November 5, 2018 8:22am
holysheet

Last week it was “Where is Jethro?
This week it’s ” Where is the drunken dwarf?”
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November 5, 2018 8:23am
- sooty
  
  Jethro was in hiding for the last two weeks to practise his speech.
  Is the drunken Dwarf in Japan as well watching the pretty all blacks.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:04am
  - Biscuit
    
    sooty, its the Melbourne Cup tomorrow.
    
    Sir Patrick Hogan, one of the breeders of pretty horses that Winnie has given tax breaks to, is over there.
    
    I’d give very short odds on Winnie being there too!
    
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    November 5, 2018 11:37am
igm

This country is being fed misinformation by media . . . surely!
I do not believe we have people so gutless and wimpy as those portrayed by Fairfax Filth in this article:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard
God knows what would happen in the even of a comflict when troops were once again needed when we have a government filled with conscientious objecting offspring, poofs getting preference in our armed services, and Muslims working against us within our country being funded by NZ taxpayers . . . what the fuck is going on?
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November 5, 2018 8:28am
- RF
  
  I hear that Tova only has to write 10 more Anti National / pro Govt stories for Ardern to bring her onto her media staff.
  
  The girls have to stick together….
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:08am
sooty

The Duck flys the pointy end of the plane to go to Japan for two nights and watches the rugby. He’s as bad as Comrade Cindy with air travel, perks and snout in the trough!
Do MP’s get airpionts on their travel or does it go back to the goverment.
Gerry Brownlee should know better as well
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November 5, 2018 8:29am
- backster
  
  The Greens don’t mind so it must be ok.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:30am
Monique Watson

Bridges is screwed, blued and tattoed with the latest recording. Bennett doesn’t look good. Not credible as a National party leader in today’s political environment. Labour and the so called non biased Fourth Estate will crucify her over trying to big it up by downplaying the extent of Ross’s actions. Get out of the boys club, Bennett.
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November 5, 2018 8:44am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  Yes Monique, but don’t frighten the horses.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:56am
- m@tt
  
  An honest assessment MW. Bridges has been hard done by, but he’s still been done. The unfairness of the situation means nothing,
  The quicker he (and therefore also Paula) go the better this will be for National in the long run.
  The longer he tries this desperate cling to power the better it will end for Labour.
  I can’t for the life of me understand why so may Kiwibloggers want Simon to stay.
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:16am
  - Happychappy
    
    Listen to m@tt the idiot that voted Labour because he didn’t like Bill English and now he got another dislike for Simon Bridges. You have to love these so called loyal supporters.
    
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    November 5, 2018 1:41pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Nicely said. It’s politics.
    Bridge at the Country Club is more aggressive than Bridges and Bennett.
    Has the ‘nice guy act ever won? It got Goof a mayoralty but he was never PM material.
    
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    November 5, 2018 1:57pm
- MCos
  
  Personally I doubt if the general public away from hard core political social media, talk back radio, blog & Stuff comments sections, that sort of thing, gives a toss about this shock horror sort of stuff for more than a few days.
  JLR is going to have to pull something really big out of the hat to get much attention now, no matter what the media does.
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:52am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Bridges recorded again; Bennett too this time. Not acceptable in my National party.
Find two replacements from the working/productive world, and do it quick.
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November 5, 2018 8:54am
- waikatogirl
  
  How do you propose that Simon and Paula were responsible for being secretly recorded. How would they have known their supposedly loyal colleague had turned rogue???
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:28am
  - igm
    
    WG: Hope Steve has a conversation recorded and made public . . . anyone who does this deserves a real old-fashioned panel and paint.
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:02am
  - Monique Watson
    
    They couldn’t know. They come out looking weak and ineffectual. Bridges and Bennett could have wielded a bloody great stick over this and they haven’t. Bennett could have exhibited some real leadership here. Missed opportunity is my point.
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:18am
    - KevOB
      
      Welcome to the age of technology. Even your TV may be sending pics home without you be being aware.
      
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      November 5, 2018 4:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    Jami-Lee Ross’s latest revelation was a bit of a slap with a wet bus ticket.
    
    Is this the best he’s got?
    
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    November 5, 2018 12:42pm
- harvey wilson
  
  What they say that was so offensive to you?
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:39am
- tf78
  
  If you were to record a conversation you were having with someone else, you are hardly likely to say anything to incriminate yourself are you. JLR is a complete and utter.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:50am
sooty

Comrade Cindy, when you going to sack Slease-Galloway?
He’s too dumb to leave untill next reshuffle, unless it’s today.
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November 5, 2018 9:01am
Harkman

Anyone else see the Sunday show last night? Tracey Martin seemed shocked that there was thing known as the porn industry. Tracey ever hear of a guy named Shane Jones? ?
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November 5, 2018 9:05am
Fancyhat

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wisw0

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wiuqj

Two leaked segments of a new documentary being censored about the terrifying scale of Israeli penetration and control in the United States. These are relatively mundane compared to upcoming bits. But basically Israel can and does dox anyone it likes in the US and controls pedagogy at all levels of education. Have a watch. Pretty interesting. A country that brooks no impingement on its sovereignty regards itself as having the right to do anything it likes to anyone anywhere. I don’t care how many musloids they ice. But they have no business subverting education.
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November 5, 2018 9:07am
- igm
  
  I doubt this, but it is far better than the Obama supported Muslim takeover.
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:04am
  - KeaRea
    
    Why not just, ‘neither’?
    
    Why why why, oh why, is it so apparently impossible and distasteful to conceive of a United States or a Britain or a Germany which isn’t constantly being eroded by these preternatural sinister malevolent Middle-Eastern subversives?
    
    Both, ‘sets’, are bad for the west. Both need to be neutered and expelled.
    
    I will never understand the sad0-masochistic almost psycho-sexual pleasure some ‘types’ seem to get from submitting to these towel-heads and Yarmulkes. Their interests are not ours. We do not align. The findings of these documentaries are incredible.
    
    Let them fight their pathetic conflicts in their own deserts.
    
    A pox on both their houses.
    
    I think I recently read that less then 25% of Americans under 35 regard Israel as an ally. The same goes for Chinese – they want to emulate them, but only to topple them, not to fight for them. They don’t have a stupid erroneous view of genesis – the Chinese think they have the heavenly mandate.
    
    So Saudia Arabia and Israel are on a clock. It’s got about one generation left before they’re left to themselves. Hopefully they just nuke each other so the world can advance.
    
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    November 5, 2018 11:19am
- VicParking
  
  And the worlds flat
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:05am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    or at least his head is
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:37am
KiWombat

DPF

You need to pay more attention to updating your tree counter. Last week we planted three trees down here at Pukekura.

I will acquiesce to these three being added to Shame Jones’ tally, so please amend your counter to reflect this.

Accordingly Mr Jones now only needs to plant one hundred and seven million, three hundred and thirty nine thousand nine hundred and – – – – oh never mind !
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November 5, 2018 9:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now is the time to be planning for 2019 planting…
  
  -prepare new sites for planting (clear weeds)
  -order planting equipment
  -check all seedlings in nursery growing well and will flourish over summer
  -arrange work/planting crew accommodations, transport etc
  – begin weed control around 2018 plantings (all 3 plants?)
  
  Coz none of that happened over 2018 planting season.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:29am
  - Richard
    
    Green party memebers have this all in hand..only one problem. Cannabis plants can’t really be called ‘trees’.
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:36am
secondcumming

My 14-year-old daughter takes after her mother….. and quite politically astute for her age.

We were watching FOX last night and she was keen to know, “Where does the Caravan poo?”
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November 5, 2018 9:18am
- Ed Snack
  
  Maybe they act like bears ?
  
  It’s either a shit covered trail back behind them, or someone is organizing sanitation, like they’re organizing food – feeding that many people on the march is a relatively skilled job.
  
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  November 5, 2018 4:36pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Almost like it’s some sort of army….or political stunt…………
    
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    November 6, 2018 12:23am
dime

just how addicted to the spotlight is gaylord?

its fucking sad.
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November 5, 2018 9:21am
- harvey wilson
  
  He needs a new tv show and since Guy Williams is unemployed/unemployable they could team up and do the great New Zealand cuck off.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:42am
- Longknives
  
  He went uncharacteristically quiet last week though.
  No idea why…
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:10am
- Poppa
  
  Jethro Kardasian is a limelight slut.
  
  Give me a bucket please!!!
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:11am
Happychappy

Can anyone enlighten me why Bill English is over in the White House showing off some of our Government Data when we have the show pony telling everyone that will listen that her Child Poverty fix is the best that has been passed into Law and her several other fixes for child education are game changes. Surely if the White House wanted information on social Data they would have approached the show pony first.
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November 5, 2018 9:29am
- Poppa
  
  Because they want to talk to someone with brains
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:38am
- sooty
  
  Trump ask for the real numbers, not feel the good numbers.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:42am
- tf78
  
  I think Bill was showing them the system not the actual data.
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:53am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I have some access to this data, admittedly summarised for board papers. Believe me when I say this government has no outcomes to crow about.
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:41am
- Paulus
  
  Because they would not get the Truth – Ardern would lie to her own mother I believe.
  
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  November 5, 2018 1:57pm
  - KevOB
    
    Is self deception lying?
    
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    November 5, 2018 4:27pm
- alloytoo
  
  Hmmm, I guess some people value his input, pity most of this country didn’t.
  
  Hope he’s coining it.
  
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  November 6, 2018 12:27am
EAD_TWO

Katie Hopkins on Twitter:

Excellent by @KemiBadenoch
asserting the Muslim Council are using the Islamophobia debate for political gain. (It is curious that CERTAIN Jewish lobby groups choose to support the Muslim Council in this endeavour)

https://mobile.twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1059038304308346880

This is the 3rd time in the past week Hopkins has tweeted up the involvement of elements of organised Jewry in facilitating mass 3rd world immigration into the West. Perhaps she’s trying to move the Overton window to start waking up the normies from their perpetual “left vs. right’ Political slumber?

I wonder if the certain Jewish groups she had in mind were Israaid or HIAS or those involved with the so called “Caravan” but I hope it is the despicable Jewish ADL in mind.

Anyone remember their “news release” (that the MSM duly published far and wide) that linked so called “Misogyny and so called “White Supremicism”.

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-report-investigates-links-between-misogyny-and-white-supremacy

Perhaps the Juice should get their own “misogynistic” house in order first……

https://www.timesofisrael.com/girls-chased-by-ultra-orthodox-mob-in-beit-shemesh-over-immodest-clothes/
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November 5, 2018 9:29am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, a familiar litany of lies that harks back to the 1930s,
  
  https://twitter.com/eurocrat/status/383958584843067392?lang=en
  
  I wonder if Katie Hopkins is a clone of this Oswald Mosely follower ?
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/happened-children-oswald-mosleys-blackshirt-followers/
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:44am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Where are the lies Stephie?
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:54am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO, blaming the Jews!
      
      What else?
      
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      November 5, 2018 12:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:46am
MrsAnnie

The latest tapes are a huge non story- media are trying to create a scandal when it doesn’t exist. If Bridges knew all he did now it would be a scandal but he had yet to prove JLR was the leaker or had that JLR had harassed women at that stage.
When people stop being interested perhaps the media will move on- so sad they are not real journalists and jus Cindy’s PR machine.
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November 5, 2018 9:40am
- BeaB
  
  Even then it’s not a scandal because this is not the Government!
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:22am
- peterwn
  
  JLR needs to watch out although perhaps his brain is not functioning properly. He desperately needs to stay in Parliament (even if nominally) until the next election to recover and to rebuild his life. If he pushes National too far, the less damaging option for National would be for National to use the Waka Hopper Act to have him kicked out. Hopefully the menacing presence of the Act should make JLR see sense but this seems to becoming a forlon hope.
  
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  November 5, 2018 11:42am
  - KevOB
    
    Yes. He’s been given a fair go. If JLR does’nt reciprocate, or can’t for health reasons, he needs to be let go as it is not fair to his electorate.
    
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    November 5, 2018 4:30pm
dime

apparently, the kiwis lost.

but who knows cause the game was on at 4am on a Monday morning for fucks sake.

how thick are the people in charge of NZRL????

they couldn’t get the game played a day earlier? i happily got up for the first test but didn’t watch this morning and wont watch next week
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November 5, 2018 9:50am
- MCos
  
  It was played in England
  
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  November 5, 2018 11:43am
Hugh Pavletich

Australia’s Property Slump Casts Doubt on Household Spending – Bloomberg

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/louis-christopher-property-prices-crashing/#comment-3218448

Australia’s Property Slump Casts Doubt on Household Spending – Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-04/australia-s-property-slump-casts-doubt-on-household-spending?srnd=markets-vp

Australia’s falling house prices are raising doubts about the resilience of household spending. … read more via hyperlink above …
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November 5, 2018 9:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Hugh,
  
  Some say they will bring popcorn and watch the crash.
  I prefer to bring marshmallows to toast over the glowing embers after the crash has all burned down…
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:05am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Baby Boomer ‘heartbreak’ as Chinese flee Chatswood – MacroBusiness Australia
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/baby-boomer-heartbreak-as-chinese-flee-chatswood/
    
    By Leith van Onselen
    
    In what reads like an article from The Onion, a Baby Boomer family who inherited a house from a deceased parent has been left “heartbroken” as the home was passed in at auction for a “too cheap” $1.7 million. From News.com.au: … read more via hyperlink above …
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    Louis Christopher: Property prices are crashing – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/louis-christopher-property-prices-crashing/
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    Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
    
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    November 5, 2018 1:44pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … California … The painful process of repeating (very) recent history …
      
      In California, Home Sales Are Plunging Like It Is 2008 All Over Again | Zero Hedge
      
      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-02/california-home-sales-are-plunging-it-2008-all-over-again
      
      For years, the California housing market was on the cutting edge of “Housing Bubble 2” as we witnessed home prices in the state soar to absolutely absurd levels.
      
      In fact, it got so bad that a burned down house in Silicon Valley sold for $900,000 earlier this year, and a condemned home in Fremont sold for $1.2 million. But now things have changed in a major way. The hottest real estate markets in the entire country led the way down during the collapse of “Housing Bubble 1”, and now it looks like the same thing is going to be true for the sequel.
      
      According to CNBC, the number of new and existing homes sold in southern California was down 18 percent in September compared to a year ago… read more via hyperlink above …
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      … What I wrote following the collapse of ‘Housing Bubble 1’ … clearly setting out the differences of land supply strangled California and open and normal Texas.
      
      For housing bubbles to be triggered, land supply must be strangled. Finance in all its forms (equity; bubble equity; debt) is simply the ‘fuel’ …
      
      Housing Bubbles: Jumbo Mortgages = Jumbo Problems | Hugh Pavletich | | Scoop News
      
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1003/S00019.htm
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      … If housing prices exceed 3.0 annual household incomes (median multiple) it is evidence that basic structural land supply and infrastructure financing issues need to be sorted out …
      
      Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions
      
      http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
      
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      November 5, 2018 2:27pm
      - starboard
        
        *sigh*
        
        “NURSE”….
        
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        November 5, 2018 4:57pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … with these 3 … it appears …
        
        Analysis: Reporter Benedict Collins on latest Jami-Lee Ross, National Party saga | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/analysis-reporter-benedict-collins-latest-jami-lee-ross-national-party-saga
        
        Full recording: Secret tape of Jami-Lee Ross, Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/full-recording-secret-tape-jami-lee-ross-simon-bridges-and-paula-bennett
        
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        November 5, 2018 6:44pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Hong Kong Housing May Be Headed for a Correction – Bloomberg
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-04/here-are-signs-hong-kong-housing-may-be-headed-for-a-correction
        
        • Evidence of weakness ranges from slumping sales to price cuts
        
        • Tales include one buyer walking away from $7 million deposit
        
        Signs of a housing market downturn in Hong Kong are spreading after the city’s first interest-rate increases in 12 years and an escalation in trade tensions between China and the U.S. … read more via hyperlink above ..
        
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        November 5, 2018 9:21pm
Jack5

When you visit Britain, just don’t honk your car horn at a black driver!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6352083/Elderly-woman-questioned-police-hate-criminal-beeping-horn-slow-motorist.html
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November 5, 2018 10:20am
- Longknives
  
  The inside word is that ‘Hate Speech’ and ‘Hate Crime’ legislation are coming to NZ very soon.
  So expect this lunacy here as well..
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:33am
  - Prince
    
    If you want to read prime examples of hate speech, look at the trolls on Nat MP’s twitter feeds. Especially those who are making a real nuisance of themselves from Labour’s point of view, eg Bishop.
    Those lefty trolls really have some issues regarding body parts and excretia.
    
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    November 5, 2018 10:56am
    - Philview
      
      I have had enough of reading the comments on Stuff the debate is just reflex “9 years of neglect”. Even topics that aren’t even political, they are firing off “9 years of neglect”. It is playground level commentary.
      
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      November 5, 2018 12:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        It’s because they cannot think for themselves, they just flick out labour HQ slogans and soundbites.
        
        Stuff and their biased moderators are total labour hacks.
        
        They control the narrative in the hope that they will impact in the polls. Currently they are but eventually it will backfire.
        
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        November 5, 2018 1:12pm
      - KevOB
        
        That’s the meme in Parliment. Cindy for Kindy.
        
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        November 5, 2018 4:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Correct, they attack those that they fear the most.
      
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      November 5, 2018 1:13pm
BeaB

It’s nowhere near a scandal. This is the Opposition for gods sake! What they do and say during their years in the desert are of no consequence at all.
You have to think the media seize on anything rather than hold Jacinda and her motley crew to account.
Trawling through phone calls that are of no public interest at all? That’s just gossip and busy-bodying, about the level of our childish media, still besotted by Cindy and the baby.
Every time I hear Simon Bridges on this he grows in my estimation. Perhaps it’s a cunning plan by the media to show him as the PM-in-waiting!!
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November 5, 2018 10:20am
- Richard
  
  Does Jamie record everyone he talks to these days? His wife? Kids? Check out girl at the supermarket? Lusk? Slater? Now THEY would be interesting!
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:33am
  - SGA
    
    LOL – you’re right. With his record, someone in the National caucus might be worried that there’s a sex tape appearing soon 🙂
    
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    November 5, 2018 11:18am
    - Tall Man
      
      I doubt it, the 15 seconds would depress him even further 🙂
      
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      November 5, 2018 9:03pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Idea for a flash mob.
    
    1. Determine when JLR is going to be in his electorial office.
    2. Flash mob office.
    3. Point phones and other recording devices at office (except few recording the event)
    4. Reveal banner reading:
    
    “J L Ross: We’re recording this, but we have the manners/guts to inform you. Do the honourable thing and resign.”
    
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    November 6, 2018 12:36am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s certainly proving that he can handle a crisis.
  
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  November 6, 2018 12:30am
krazykiwi

Democracy is getting pretty inconvenient for the left in France.

Marine Le Pen’s National Rally has overtaken the centrist party of Emmanuel Macron, the French president, for the first time, according to an opinion poll released Sunday, in a further sign of the rise of the far-Right in Europe.

The Ifop poll measured voting intentions for European Parliament elections next May, seen as a decisive battle between pro-EU liberals and Eurosceptic populists that could be pivotal in shaping the future of the European Union after Brexit.

Liberals championed by Mr Macron are attempting to fend off a rising anti-immigrant and Eurosceptic wave led by Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orban, and Matteo Salvini, Italy’s influential deputy prime minister.

The poll showed Ms Le Pen’s party, formerly known as the Front National, with 21 per cent of voting intentions compared to 19 per cent for Mr Macron’s La Republique En Marche (LREM) party.

The ‘rise of the far right‘ is a euphemism for the increase in people getting pissed off with the lies and nastiness of the left.
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November 5, 2018 10:36am
- Philview
  
  I think I recall discussion during the last French election that some of Le Pen’s policies would be considered left wing in New Zealand. Even our normal immigration policies are to the right of what Le Pen was proposing at the time which I think was background checks on migrants.
  
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  November 5, 2018 12:03pm
cas

I read somewhere that quite a few “refugees”who were to go to the US from Nauru have bailed out because they heard they have to work when they get there. Obviously holding out for NZ and the welfare benefits
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November 5, 2018 10:39am
- MCos
  
  You “read somewhere”?
  
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  November 5, 2018 11:39am
  - cas
    
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/families-from-nauru-will-go-to-australian-cities-with-psychiatric-beds-for-children/news-story/221cde2c50603bbb4b91d4e1ff7a4a4d
    
    It’s all in here. You made me take 5 minutes out of my day to look for it
    
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    November 5, 2018 11:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      Your link is paywalled! Alternative, please .
      
      “Obviously holding out for NZ and the welfare benefits”
      
      ????
      
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      November 5, 2018 12:04pm
      - cas
        
        Well just bloody Google it then
        
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        November 5, 2018 12:31pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Don’t be a miser. If you want to read it, then pay up.
        
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        November 5, 2018 12:39pm
- howitis
  
  Source
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6344109/Seventy-asylum-seekers-Nauru-REJECT-chance-wont-free-welfare.html
  
  … A total of 71 asylum seekers on Nauru have turned down the chance to move to the US after discovering they would need to work and wouldn’t get free welfare.
  Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton claimed those who rejected the move were not ‘genuine’ refugees.
  Mr Dutton claimed their reluctance to take up the opportunity proved they were simply economic migrants trying to take advantage of generous welfare systems….
  
  and
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331455/Almost-700-refugees-quietly-brought-Australia.html
  PUBLISHED: 13:43 AEDT, 30 October 2018
  
  Hundreds of refugees have been quietly resettled in Australia including 132 in just the last two weeks, according to a refugee advocates.
  The unnamed group told 7 News that 700 refugees had been relocated to Australia.
  It comes as Labor increases its calls for all children on Nauru to be removed
  
  and also in the DM
  4 Nov 2018
  ….Sending refugees from Nauru to New Zealand would be a “giant magnet” for people smugglers, Defence Industry Minister Steven Ciobo says.
  The government intends to evacuate all asylum-seeker children from Nauru by the end of this year, but has resisted calls from Labor to accept New Zealand’s offer to resettle some of the refugee families.
  “The only thing that Labor’s soft approach is going to do is restart the trade of people smugglers in our region,” Mr Ciobo told Sky News on Sunday.
  “That’s going to be a giant magnet for those that want to come to our country ahead of those that are sitting, unfortunately, in UNHCR camps trying to do the right thing.
  “I think that would be a great injustice to those who actually are deserving to come to countries like Australia, the United States or other countries, but who can’t afford to pay a people smuggler.”…
  
  Yay
  Cindy loves people smugglers.
  Does she or her boyfriend get commission from the people smugglers?
  Asking for a friend!
  Of course Secret Commissions Act and other laws does not apply to lefties.
  
  NZ Labour Party- tilting the plank in favour of losers and dirtbags since 1916.
  
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  November 5, 2018 12:33pm
  - sooty
    
    Expecting taxpayers to fund it aswell as all the bludgers that we raise ourselves!
    
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    November 5, 2018 1:07pm
Manolo

Only liberals get away with this:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/3/another-kavanaugh-accuser-admits-fabricating-rape-/

One of Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh’s accusers admitted this week that she made up her lurid tale of a backseat car rape, saying it “was a tactic” to try to derail the judge’s confirmation to the Supreme Court.
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November 5, 2018 11:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  Lying under oath. She belongs in jail.
  
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  November 5, 2018 11:47am
  - Paulus
    
    No she cannot be jailed, she is a women.
    
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    November 5, 2018 2:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, including those viral rumours about Christian Blasey- Ford?
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaughs-fact-check.html?module=inline
  
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  November 5, 2018 12:07pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Ford has disappeared with the fund me cash.
    
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    November 5, 2018 12:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      So what is Ford doing with the $840,000?
      https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/christine-blasey-ford-gofundme-campaign.html
      
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      November 5, 2018 1:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well, she’s just applied for Consent to renovate her Santa Cruz Beach house…
        Apparently she’s also getting Book deals offered to her.
        Not sure how that will work considering she says she can’t remember much!
        
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        November 5, 2018 1:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, did Christine Blasey Ford met with Bill Clinton and George and Sundry other Alt Right nonsense Conspiracies?
        
        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ford-george-soros/
        
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        November 5, 2018 1:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hey Moronboy
        What has your snopes link got to do with Fords Go Fund Me Campaign?
        
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        November 5, 2018 1:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , at least you will appreciate non-partisan political reporting from Christina ,
        
        “The Right-Wingers Behind the Mueller Smear Campaign Are Guilty of Everything They Accuse Democrats of Doing”
        
        By CHRISTINA CAUTERUCCI
        NOV 01, 20186:45 PM
        * https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/jacob-wohl-jack-burkman-robert-mueller-smear.html
        
        and,
        
        Trump Wants to Make the Word “Beautiful” Great Again. He’s the One Who Ruined It.
        
        By CHRISTINA CAUTERUCCI
        
        https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/trump-beautiful-handsome-banned-words.html
        *  
        
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        November 5, 2018 1:59pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re nuts
        Get some help.
        
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        November 5, 2018 2:17pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        Hey Ralph. Stumble off down Dominion Road and ‘Go See Your Doctor’ ….
        Duh!
        Sigh!
        Lololololol
        
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        November 6, 2018 1:33am
rangitoto

Truckies not happy with Taxinda.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12154703
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November 5, 2018 1:14pm
Poppa

So what are the punters of KB tipping for the cup?

I thought I may have a small wager on Finche even though he has only won 3 races

Seems to be on the up to me and Chris Waller now training
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November 5, 2018 1:17pm
- Longknives
  
  Heavy rain forecast tomorrow so God only knows…
  
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  November 5, 2018 1:54pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who gives a flying f**k?
  
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  November 5, 2018 3:24pm
  - Longknives
    
    “Who gives a flying f**k?”
    
    Wow- You must be a really fun dude…(Vote Green perhaps? They have been trying to ban Racing for years)
    The Melbourne Cup is fucking massive sporting event- Certainly bigger than your beloved All Blacks playing meaningless Tests (after a silly little haka) in front of half empty stadiums -that’s for sure!
    Think about that cocksucker..
    
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    November 5, 2018 7:46pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Nope, will never vote Green but horse racing is a total bore, of interest only to those who like to see horses whipped on the arse for the pleasure of a few idiots throwing their money away on them (that includes most of the owners).
      Been to two horse racing meetings in my life, and only because I was obliged to because a division of the company I worked for at the time was for some stupid reason sponsoring them.
      And I’m not a cocksucker so I will accept your apology.
      
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      November 5, 2018 8:53pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And speaking of massive sporting events, at least the 110,000 punters at the weekend’s Pukekohe V8s got two days of entertainment instead of about five minutes.
        
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        November 5, 2018 8:58pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Over reaction maybe?
      
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      November 5, 2018 8:58pm
Fletch

If you have access to VPN and American content, this is worth a laugh from SNL (who I don’t usually like nowadays). Had me crying with laughter….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTrJJG_3ow8
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November 5, 2018 2:05pm
RW Capitalist

Time for us to resist? This CoL
Our anthem could be:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

Listen:
The lyrics include:
“If that’s your best
your best won’t do”
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November 5, 2018 2:08pm
- Longknives
  
  Dee Snider is a fucking legend.
  He pretty much saved Rock Music from that batshite insane Tipper Gore…
  (Yep- Back in the 80s Lefties tried to ban Rock Music…)
  
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  November 5, 2018 6:32pm
krazykiwi

A Japan Airlines co-pilot arrested after failing a breath test shortly before a London to Tokyo flight has pleaded guilty to being almost 10 times over the legal limit for alcohol.

This is the bit that stuck out to me:

The driver of a crew bus at Heathrow smelled alcohol on Jitsukawa and reported it to police

So he was nabbed by chance by the crew bus driver? Why aren’t pilots required to undergo mandatory breath testing?
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November 5, 2018 2:17pm
- Local Miller
  
  Alcohol locks in cockpits – Works for me.
  
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  November 5, 2018 3:51pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It was all over the TV channels on Japanese TV. The president of the company was hauled in front of the news crews and had to make a low bow to take responsibility. (Heads will roll…)
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:14pm
igm

When is Gutless Little Andy going to be taken apart for his editorial control of our MSM news unions, we are getting starved of imperative information such as this . . .
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/11/180-million-on-refugee-increase/
Smoke screened with rubbish . . . it must stop!
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November 5, 2018 2:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  Please don’t post links to that site.
  
  I’m sure you can find plenty of decent examples without supporting a major fuckwit.
  
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  November 5, 2018 3:45pm
howitis

What a completely and utterly incompetent outfit Spark/Telecom are.
Two weeks ago they were blocking email such that I was not getting stuff and had to get people to send to my Gmail account.
Last week they went the other way so spam was coming through at an increasing rate that by Sunday, yesterday, it was four per hour so about 100 per day.
Telecom – even with their new silly name syndrome of Spark – are mind numbingly hopeless.

Try to contact the idiots – forgedaboudit
Later this month at 2 year anniversary of fibre they will try to charge an extra $20 per month but offer me a ‘discount’ back to the top end of what other Telco/ISPs charge if I sign up for a year.
So generous, not!
It might be time for a change.
It involves a hell of an investment of time to get all senders to redirect mail.

I get pretty much all correspondence through them/email for bills, bank statements, investments, and tax notices.
I made the decision to stick with them three years ago as pretty much all items that were paper became electronic.
This was near the end of Yahoo email.
CEO Dumb Dumb Moutter heavily criticised Yahoo in public.
Yet his own outfit do a piss poor job.
Glass houses and all.
Oh, but it’s OK because Saint Sam Morgan is a shareholder in the email.
It is an incredibly weak email system and is lower quality than the Eudora I used from 1996 to 2000.
The settings are pathetic and deletion of old email can only be done in small blocks.
It is possibly below the quality of hotmail circa 1995 and more in line with the settings Alexander Graham Bell would have selected in 1876.
Why they could not get an email system that worked I do not know!

It is a big investment of time but I may have to change.

For those who would criticise me for still being with them…. remember who is bringing you the Rugby World Cup next year!
Will this be a rerun of the Optus Soccer World Cup in Australia earlier this year?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-19/world-cup-optus-streaming-issues/9885172

We can’t rule that out but be rest assured that Simon Moutter is all for diversity and is sorry for being a man although he does not apologise for crap choices in email.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106156592/tears-of-the-chief-executive
….In September [2017], Spark chief executive Simon Moutter had fought back tears at the Global Women’s One Day for Change Summit when he revealed how the departure of several senior women had led him to face “uncomfortable truths” about how inclusive Spark really was.

But at a Global Women event in Auckland on Wednesday evening[Aug 2018], Moutter returned to the podium to speak about how much had changed at Spark…..
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November 5, 2018 3:03pm
- Komata
  
  Howitis
  
  FWIW: I too have been through the ‘Telecom / Spark’ experience and after one ‘bridge too far’ (No details) pulled the plug and went to Trustpower for the majority of my telcomms needs (landline, internet etc). No problems so far, concerns and difficulties quickly resolved and over-all excellent service! A complete contrast to Telecom / Spark!
  
  Sadly however T’power doesn’t have ‘Mobile’ capability, so I’m still with Telecom / Spark. Their service is still poor, they still charge outrageously, but, after being round the lighthouses a couple of times, they are currently the best of a bad bunch in respect of providing mobiles to suit my requirements.
  
  Should Trustpower ever become ‘mobile-equipped’ they would have my accounts in seconds.
  
  As I said, FWIW; you might find T’power worth investigating.
  
  (Usual disclaimer BTW; I’m not connected to T’power in any way).
  
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  November 5, 2018 4:12pm
Local Miller

Just read in the Horrid that JA was defending the Kiwibuild scam at the Liebour Conference and hug fest. Apparently it’s “seeing thousands of young Kiwis into homes”.
What the hell. On what planet does 18 homes in 1 year, homes that were already in progress when they came to power suddenly translate into “1000 of Kiwis into homes”?
I can’t believe her own party can even support her. If I were a member of a party where the leader lied so blatantly I would resign, or hold them to account. That’s what membership is about.
Apparently not in the socialist nirvana, here you apparently have to toe the party line.

Not fit for purpose!
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November 5, 2018 3:10pm
- softail 1450
  
  local miller, its our compliant media that allows that side show to go on and on, 18 homes in 12 months and the COL are crowing about it FFS.
  What happened to the 10,000 a year?
  
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  November 6, 2018 6:42am
Johnboy

Dear, dear, dear! Never turn your wheels right while waiting to turn right. If anything turn them a tad left!
Condolences to the victim and family. Hope the van driver gets charged with manslaughter…wont hold my breath!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108358165/truck-and-car-collide-on-sh1-in-christchurch
And lets all stop blaming the poor bloody tourists even if they cant drive as well as wot we does! 🙂
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November 5, 2018 5:23pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Next time you get drunk, and feel like eating a slug, think again:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12154775
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November 5, 2018 5:57pm
- nasska
  
  Well, at least you should cook them first. I’d hate to see the country tradition of offering townies huhu grubs quick fried on a shovel to die out. 🙂
  
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  November 5, 2018 6:01pm
- DigNap15
  
  And the idiot got paid out hundreds of thousands of dollars.
  His mates should have paid that!
  
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  November 5, 2018 6:13pm
- Longknives
  
  Who the fuck gets drunk and eats slugs?
  
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  November 5, 2018 6:30pm
  - stigie
    
    Nicky Hagar..?
    
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    November 5, 2018 7:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Too many degrees offer too little payback
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-46073769

Main takeaways:
Nearly half of recent graduates were not working in graduate roles in 2017

Don’t attend a lower-ranking university
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November 5, 2018 6:01pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Don’t attend a lower-ranking university”…..
  
  Better still, forget the wankery & get a bloody trade. I’ve yet have a qualified plumber or electrician ask me if I want fries with my burger.
  
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  November 5, 2018 6:18pm
  - Longknives
    
    C’mon Nasska!
    My boozy Otago Degree was so much freaking fun..
    Don’t rain on my parade man!
    
    *Shit I’d better go- I start lateshift at Burger King at 8…
    
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    November 5, 2018 6:28pm
    - Longknives
      
      But seriously- I also get a bit sick of the ‘Everyone should get a trade’ line.
      The Country doesn’t need a million plumbers…
      
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      November 5, 2018 6:29pm
      - nasska
        
        I reckon we’re pretty close to saturation point in the “Women’s studies” & “Political Science” rackets too. A few more tradies won’t go amiss.
        
        As an aside a mate’s boy finished his plumbing & gasfitting ticket last week. No student loan, he’s already earning good money & he’s off on his OE next year.
        
        He’s rapt & bloody good on him.
        
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        November 5, 2018 6:36pm
      - Longknives
        
        C’mon Nasska my Women’s Studies and Sociology Degrees have served me well over the years!
        I’m almost finished my Dissertation for my Masters-
        ‘White Male Patriarchy and it’s relentless oppression of Transgender Expression’
        
        *Gunning for a job in this Labour/Green Government..
        
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        November 5, 2018 7:41pm
      - stigie
        
        Might not be too bad about getting into dentistry as well, you can bet your last dollar that the next election bribe will be free dentistry for all paid for by the government !~
        
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        November 5, 2018 7:44pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”‘White Male Patriarchy and it’s relentless oppression of Transgender Expression’”…..
        
        Cunning bastard! The World’s your oyster. 🙂
        
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        November 5, 2018 7:52pm
      - Longknives
        
        “Cunning Bastard..”
        You male oppressor!- Did you just assume my Gender??
        
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        November 5, 2018 8:11pm
- Ross12
  
  Maggy
  I read a similar article recently that said the UK universities were turning out about 17,000 law graduates each year when there was on average 5,500 jobs for junior lawyers. Obviously not all law grads will become lawyers , under normal circumstances, but it looks worse law grads than the 49% in your link.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:13pm
Woz

Can anybody tell me how long liquor store workers have been in the essential skills category?
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November 5, 2018 7:24pm
kevn

Hyphen (the hiding one) really backed a loser didn’t he? More dirt spilling out on the crims associates.
whinney backed Hyphen as well. Tough on crime ? Nah
Anyway, who was on the guest list at the crims wedding back in 2016?
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November 5, 2018 7:55pm
- nasska
  
  There’ll be more to come……much more. There’s no way that Two Fathers took the huge risk that Sroubkek’s past presented unless it was a do or die attempt to cover up some Labour skulduggery involving him.
  
  Almost certainly it will involve Sroubkek supplying MDMA (or similar) to people in or very closely associated with Labour’s hierarchy.
  
  The truth will eventually come out unless the MSM are even more in the pockets of the socialists than I think they are.
  
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  November 5, 2018 8:10pm
  - MrTips
    
    I would not be surprised if Sroubkek had clients involved in all modes of the written and spoken word…..
    
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    November 5, 2018 9:56pm
    - alloytoo
      
      I am candidly advised that high flying advertising agencies in Johannesburg are frequent partakers of un prescribable pharmaceutical products.
      
      See no reason why Auckland would be any different, and of course their single biggest associates are….. the medium….
      
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      November 6, 2018 12:44am
Jack5

Too many people, too few tigers …

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12154994
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November 5, 2018 8:52pm
Nostradamus

Blame the marketing department: Virgin Australia to rethink priority boarding for veterans after policy criticised as ‘tokenistic

Virgin Australia will rethink a pledge to give veterans priority boarding, after the plan was described as “embarrassing” and “tokenistic”. The airline had pledged to let war veterans board ahead of regular passengers and acknowledge them for their service during in-flight announcements.

People opposed to the idea:
– Australian Defence Association
– Qantas
– Pauline Hanson
– Catherine McGregor (formerly Australia’s highest-ranking transgender military officer)

When your idea isn’t supported by such a diverse group, you know you’ve missed the mark!
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November 5, 2018 9:24pm
nasska

Plans are afoot to make lessons about sex & relationships compulsory in all New Zealand’s schools from ages five to sixteen.

A spokesman said: “Girls will be taught the importance of establishing confidence & stability in a relationship before suddenly changing their minds.

“Whereas boys will be taught how to let it all wash over them.”

Exam papers will be astonishingly easy. For girls the answer to every question will be “Oh nothing!” & for boys it will be, “Fuck this, I’m off down the pub.”
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November 5, 2018 9:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Exam papers will be astonishingly easy
  
  Oh no, nasska.
  Internal assessments are used to assess skills and knowledge that cannot be tested in an exam.
  https://www.nzqa.govt.nz/ncea/understanding-ncea/how-ncea-works/standards/
  
  Assessments measure what a student knows or can do against the registered criteria of a standard in courses they study.
  
  Let’s imagine what the registered criteria could be:
  
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  November 5, 2018 9:47pm
nasska

I see the problem Maggy. Most relationships are built on a very subtle communications base which would defy assessment.

For instance, this morning I found out that it was Day 3 of a disagreement between the cook & me that I didn’t know I was having! 🙂
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November 5, 2018 9:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s a Pass with Merit, nasska.
  
  You let it wash over you for 3 days.
  
  I think for Excellence, you should have employed selective hearing methods.
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:14pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Day 3 of a disagreement between the cook & me that I didn’t know I was having!
  
  Is that like a game of chess, where I make a move, and you can take as long as like to make your move? At that rate, you’ll still be resolving your differences this time next year!
  
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  November 5, 2018 10:27pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Well yeah. That’s one of the best aspects of rehab. You don’t have to simmer about disagreements for days. You save them all up for visiting hours, once a week.
  😉
  Now I have to go eat a pint of ice-cream to soothe the raging beast.
  
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  November 5, 2018 11:15pm
- Sam
  
  That’s a really deep dive of the sadest fan club with limited Memebrs in New Zealand.
  
  I mean “ice cream,” “raging beast?”
  
  That’s the kind of thing emotionally challenged people say when some one can’t even deal with the emotionally fraught dangers of saying hello to some one.
  
  Girls and boys just want some one with enough guts just to ask them out or even have enough brains to set up for a kiss.
  
  It’d brake the nations heart having you lame ass dorks run PowerPoint displays in pronouns of the adolescence courtship rituals.
  
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  November 5, 2018 11:47pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Sam ,i see this post was made by the unhinged moronic sam, the bad spelellr one. LOL.
    Or is he liquored up again?
    “power point displays”
    Is that the friction area between you hand and your pecker Sam ?
    
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    November 6, 2018 6:18am
Don the Kiwi

You too, nasska? 🙂
You are not alone.
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November 5, 2018 10:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Sydney’s housing market downturn could end up being the longest on record | Business Insider

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/links-6-november-2018/#comment-3219226

… Now … paying the price for grossly excessive pricing and lending ‘multiple stretch’ …

Sydney’s housing market downturn could end up being the longest on record | Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sydney-housing-market-downturn-mortgage-lending-rba-cash-rate-2018-11

• Sydney home prices have fallen 7.4% over the past year, the steepest annual percentage decline since February 1990.

• Prices have now fallen 8.2% from their cyclical peak 15 months ago, making this the fastest downturn in over three decades.

• It could take years for home prices to return to previous highs without a substantial pickup in household incomes, stronger population growth or additional incentives to bring forward buyer demand. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… It is a long and hard road to ‘normal’ … where detached housing should be at or below 3.0 times annual household incomes (median multiples) …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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November 6, 2018 2:10am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Chinese Investors Lose Millions in Australian Property Deals – AFR /Caixin Global via Interest Co NZ 90@9
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/links-6-november-2018/#comment-3219263
  
  Chinese Investors Lose Millions in Australian Property Deals – AFR /Caixin Global via Interest Co NZ 90@9
  
  https://www.caixinglobal.com/2018-11-05/chinese-investors-lose-millions-in-australian-property-deals-101343051.html
  
  (AFR) — John Wang had so much faith in property sales agency Ausin Group that he handed over A$765,000 to buy his third Australian apartment without asking for a receipt.
  
  “I had already bought two properties through Ausin and I had such deep trust in them that I didn’t even bother to get a receipt when I paid the full amount on the third property,” said Wang, a retired businessman from Shanghai.
  
  His blind faith in the property sales agent backfired earlier this year when the company’s China business collapsed, resulting in 130 failed residential property settlements in Australia. More than 100 Chinese property investors like Wang have lost millions of dollars in deposits and payments for off-the-plan houses and apartments in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  November 6, 2018 8:13am
starboard

nurse…Nurse..NURSE !!!
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November 6, 2018 2:27am
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  starboard ,a firing squad would be more suitable,Hugh must be confined to his house and posting on KB is the thrill of his day.
  
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  November 6, 2018 6:11am
softail 1450

FFS, Jacinda has had the Farah Fawcett hairdo this morning on drunken garners turd of a show ,and as usual garner is going easy on her,what a prick he is, hes fucking near holding her hand???
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