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Captain Mainwaring

Where is everybody?
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November 30, 2018 8:02am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Maybe they all went to work? LOL!
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:03am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, this blog starts far too late.
    Most people leave for work at 6 or 7.
    
    Then by the time they get home GD has degenerated into a continous stream of mindless drivel.
    
    The good posts are all between 8 and 12.
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:12am
    - stigie
      
      People with the interest in the comedy section can be seen from about 6pm to 10.30pm
      
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      November 30, 2018 8:19am
      - Swifty
        
        Last night was good.
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:24am
      - DigNap15
        
        When I start my own blog its going to have 4 sections
        A NZ section
        A world section
        A comedy section
        And a pro jewish, anti muslim section
        Mindless drivel posts will be deleted.
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:27am
      - realityczech
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Diggy – we already have that sort of propaganda. Its called the Mainstream Media. They create mindless bigots like you. Like all zionists you are a lying twisted abonimation, but I guess that is part of your charm.
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:30am
      - Nostradamus
        
        DigNap15:
        
        When I start my own blog its going to have 4 sections … Mindless drivel posts will be deleted.
        
        Your definition of “[m]indless drivel posts” is probably other people’s definition of no sense of humour. But go ahead. If you want a blog like Hugh’s and Philu’s, which is located in a far corner of the blogosphere that no one wants to go to, then this is the correct strategy!
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:35am
      - Muttonbird
        
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        Big Nappy, in your Jewish section will you talk about West Bank settlements? What about genital mutilation of infant boys?
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:40am
      - stigie
        
        You have an interest in infant boys Muttonhead..?
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:57am
      - realityczech
        
        Diggy, will you say how you “admire” the genocide in Myanmar and say it is just a valid expression of the people, its deserved etc… on your own blog?
        
        I feel the same way about the Jewish genocide actually and I know you are okay with that because you are not a bigot.
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:08am
      - Jack5
        
        You are a traitor to your clan, ❗~~Kea~~❗ Realityczech! ?
        
        It is well known that the Muslims of Myanmar/Burma were wiping out the mountain parrots of the country’s Arakan mountains – they make fine mini-roasts. ?
        
        You are full of piss and vinegar today, and generally helping enliven the country! Good on ya.
        
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        November 30, 2018 11:01am
    - dime
      
      true that.
      
      did we once have a morning and aftrernoon thread?
      
      if i havent read kiwiblog by midday i barely look at the GD. too big. too much crap
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:39am
      - Longknives
        
        Nostradamus
        Is Philu’s ‘Cut and Paste everything’ Blog still going? Last time I peeked there were tumbleweeds everywhere..
        No doubt you remember him bragging to us all that he had sold it for megabucks to a foreign buyer?
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:45am
- Paulus
  
  Its raining so !
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:12am
  - Biscuit
    
    Raining?
    
    Here in Downtown Upper Hutt it’s brilliantly fine!
    
    It’s a sad sad day when you need to dream up more fitting excuses for not mowing our lawns than ‘Its raining so !’…
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:21am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Where?
    Beautiful day in Wellington, calm and sunny.
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:22am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Just starting to rain, NE 25 knots up here in the winterless north and I’m yacht racing this arvo.
      
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      November 30, 2018 8:48am
      - Biscuit
        
        Have a great one, Tarquin!
        
        I avoid water travel. I used to get seasick if someone moved too quickly in a spa pool, ha.
        
        I fly. My logic is ‘if a plane crashes, you die. Quite quickly. If a boat sinks, you drown. Slowly. With the love of your life hogging a raft QUITE big enough to support both of you. And with bloody Celine Dion warbling in your ears…’
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:24am
- Harkman
  
  “Where is everybody”
  
  Bermuda triangle mate, it’s the only place where we can escape this utterly ridiculous government.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:54am
  - Longknives
    
    Is that where Clarke Gayford went fishing?
    Cos that guy has literally disappeared!
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:56am
    - Viking2
      
      Been making new fishing series for TV3. Best ever he reckons. Somewhere up in the tropics.
      
      I would go there too if she was my missus.!!
      
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      November 30, 2018 3:19pm
StephieGenderNeutral

Good morning alt right kiwibloggers
I figured my old name would cause offense to transgenders, gender non binary, genderqueer, genderfluid and the rest of the LGBTQAIPK+ community, so in the end I decided to change it to be more inclusive.
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November 30, 2018 8:02am
Steve (North Shore)

What lying bullshit will she drop at 4.30pm today?
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November 30, 2018 8:03am
- VicParking
  
  Neve is Crawling and is giving ILG lessons.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:04am
  - igm
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:07am
    - sooty
      
      Slease resigns and there is a by election.
      
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      November 30, 2018 8:27am
      - igm
        
        Sleeze would not resign as he could never get a real job (he, like most of his ilk, are unemployable), he does not have the ability to earn anything like he is leeching off taxpayers for lying, deceiving, and possibly covering up for his superiors.
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:47am
      - calendar girl
        
        But PM Ardern has said that she will not accept a resignation from Lees-Galloway.
        
        She has also told us that there is no place in politics for lies. It seems, then, that her best way out of this conundrum could be to conduct a partial reshuffle of her Ministry, extract ILG from Immigration into something less contentious, and raise his Cabinet ranking.
        
        Anyone for a Minister of Poor Reading Skills?
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:48am
      - hullkiwi
        
        CG it is called Minister of Communications, I(S)LG with the SLGirl.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:18am
      - sooty
        
        Calendar girl. If she excepts his resignation, it would bring down her goverment. Because then the fingers would be pointing at her!
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:34am
      - starboard
        
        I bet Sindy is stocking up on her Sertrline 100’s as we speak.
        
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        November 30, 2018 12:36pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Had to look up Sertraline 100s in Google!
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:21pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  You will never get the truth out of a Narcissist. The closest you will ever come is a story that makes them the victim or the hero, but never the villain
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:07am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Wise words, Steve.
    
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    November 30, 2018 6:16pm
- Biscuit
  
  ‘My Government has performed so well this year, after 9 long years of National neglect, that Cabinet has voted unanimously that we should all get a $100,000 Christmas Bonus.
  
  Our tame media oops the fine folk from the Fourth Estate will each receive a $50,000 Christmas Bonus.
  
  Sir Michael Cullen, who has found the extra tax revenue needed to pay for this well-deserved Bonus scheme, will receive a $50,000 Christmas Bonus too.’
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:46am
igm

Nine years of neglect under National, it is full steam ahead for health under progressive Labour . . . Yeah right!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12168355
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November 30, 2018 8:04am
- Sofia
  
  “Nine long years of neglect” is a Coalition mantra.
  And Winston regularly chants the same comment now
  
  Which raises the question –
  If Winston is so convinced of that, could he have ever gone with National.
  
  Or is it a recent revelation to someone of such self-claimed experience and wisdom?
  
  Or, like Lees-Galloway, was Winston lacking in sufficient knowledge whenever he indicated a coalition with National could be a viable possibility.
  
  Or just lacking in honesty, transparency or integrity, in not indicating an already decided coalition preference?
  “Nine long years of neglect” doesn’t happen overnight, would it
  
  It would be interesting for a poll to still ask now –
  If you voted for Winston last Election, was it with the hope he would choose Labour or National to form a Government?
  I’m sure it is an intention that those who voted New Zealand First will still remember.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:09am
  - Poppa
    
    I know several people who were stupid enough to vote for Peters on the basis he would go with National. Some made big donations
    
    It is fair to say they won’t be doing that again
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:15am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Bloody Hell Poppal, I’m worried about the company you keep.
      
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      November 30, 2018 8:24am
      - Poppa
        
        Haha yeah I agree. To be fair to them I think he sold them a story & then did the opposite
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:54am
      - lifesgood
        
        Well an ancient aunt still worshipped him because “He gave us the gold card”. She was bloody furious when he went with the col.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:03am
    - Sofia
      
      And to restate the obvious – until such a poll is taken (and it is unlikely now, and could not be accurate) – Winston did what he wanted with the votes that voters for NZF blindly gave him, and there is no mandate reflecting what those voters actually hoped he would do.
      
      A majority of voters for NZF could have hoped he would form a Government with National – no one will likely ever know – least of all Winston.
      
      Therein is the problem with MMP
      Some decry it for being a system where 7.2% of the voters decide the outcome of the Election.
      But in fact it came down to one man.
      
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      November 30, 2018 8:31am
      - KevOB
        
        Winston was plainly dishonest. He stated on selection night “Capitalism had failed”. His views had radicalised and he could not go with National.
        That was not made public earlier so NZF presented a false front to the electorate. NZ first? ask Winston who claimed to have read the file that ILG did not read and supported a drug dealer immigrant. Immigration is now being encouraged.
        
        HC put it succinctly: she could not lie. Those whose self belief creates an alternative reality which they are not privy too as ideologues do not lie. They present and live in their reality.
        How can they possibly have a mandate to govern?
        
        Was Winston drunk in Parliament on Wednesday afternoon when he was very arrogant a rude to the Speaker? His behaviour yesterday was vastly different.
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:08am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        KevOB I think its the wrong question. I think it should be…
        
        Is Winston ever sober?
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:33am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Kev, it was a Winston deflect strategy
        He got booted out for being an ass, while supporting the government, while at the same time being out of the Chamber & therefore saying he a d NZF are not connected to this crap.
        
        Which is BS, because he backed ILG and his decision.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:25am
    - Liberty
      
      Where have these deluded people been for the last 30 years.
      Living under a rock? Under sedation ?
      Peters is nothing more than a professional bullshit artist.
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:12am
  - Biscuit
    
    I am just hopeful that enough of the elderly (and I’m rocketing to thta category myself at 67) will remember Peters betrayal of their support by cncaelling the proposed rise in pensions that National had proposed.
    
    Exactly what has Winston ever delivered to the elderly.
    
    One tatty gold card…
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:24am
    - Biscuit
      
      I CAN spell. Really. What I suffer from is an inability to type!
      
      Pray read ‘thta’ as ‘that’ and ‘cncaelling’ as ‘cancelling’.
      
      :: Checks about for typing errors before hitting POST COMMENT ::
      
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      November 30, 2018 8:33am
      - dave_c_
        
        Did you know, it matters not how the word is spelt, so long as the first and last letters are correct. The brain is so adept at translating into the correct word.
        See it wrkos erevy tmie
        
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        November 30, 2018 4:01pm
    - peterwn
      
      In fairness to Winston he has stopped the eligibility age for Super being raised, something which both major parties would like to do.
      
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      November 30, 2018 8:48am
      - marcw
        
        So Labour didn’t vote against the National proposal to increase the eligibility age to 67 over a 20 year timetable? I think you are mistaken.
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:11am
      - KevOB
        
        That was in his more lucid days. Now he has flipped.
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:12am
      - Biscuit
        
        Peterwn, I’m in favour of a graduated increase for Superannuation eligibility.
        
        With Kiwisaver now about, I would be comfortable with every kid leaving school this year being told ‘Okay, for you, Superannuation kicks in at 67 not 65.’
        
        Folk would have plenty of time to plan – and those who had planned for 65 wouldn’t be disadvantaged.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:03am
      - peterwn
        
        Marcw – It is not uncommon that the two major parties may have similar views on a matter but will not support each other promoting it. For example Labour could have supported the Kermedecs Reserve bill before the last election but chose not to.
        Biscuit – My impression of Kiwisaver was that in due course it was supposed to allow NZ Super to be phased out.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:36am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Biscuit, I also hope they understand what CGT will do to any little wealth they have built up. Keep pointing it out to them.
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:38am
- backster
  
  In reply to igm …Don’t worry all the extra Muslim refugees have their health wants seen to at our cost straight away in accord with U.N protocol.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:24am
brett68

I agree with Hosking

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12168790

National and Bridges need to go back to politics school and go back over the basics like, what politics is about and what a political party is.

National seems to have lost it’s way a bit.
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November 30, 2018 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  Too early – remember timing is one of the most important aspects of Politics (and Business).
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:13am
  - brett68
    
    I think that’s a big part of Nationals problem
    They’re more a business than a political party.
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:19am
  - MCos
    
    It’s not the Melbourne Cup where you can come from last to first in the last ten seconds.
    Usually.
    Labour did something like that and I don’t think the chances of it happening again are very high at all.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:11am
    - Tall Man
      
      I am tired of comments similar to that.
      
      Labour did not come from behind, they are still behind but they increased their vote by 12% when they stuck the lipstick, ardern the liar, onto angry andy’s pig.
      
      37% was not a mandate, was not a victory and even adding the 7% the fucktards in the greens gained still keeps them off the treasury benches.
      
      winston, who made a series of “promises” that indicated to his voters that he would “keep National honest”….not my words, conned his voters so we could actually say that the coalition was formed by a con man for tyhe sole benfit of that conman.
      
      Labour and the greens are happy to scramble for the odd bauble that winston hasn’t hovered up already and play “pretend” which is about all they are capable of.
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:37am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Anyone who thought Winston was certain to go with one side or the other conned themselves.
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:44am
      - MCos
        
        OK
        Forget about the last sentence.
        The first one still applies.
        National are in a hole at the moment and they can’t rely the Government falling over.
        At the moment all they’re doing is sniping from the sidelines; particularly Collins and Bishop. That may play out well with two ticks blue crowd, but they’re not the ones they have to convince.
        The just held Victorian State elections are worth a look at.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:05am
      - Tall Man
        
        Hoovered…..although hovered in winston’s case may be more accurate.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:54am
    - Biscuit
      
      MCos, bitter exoerience has taught me that if my Melbourne Cup horse is running last at any point it tends to FINISH last, too…
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:49am
    - Longknives
      
      Not many horses ever come from last to win a Melbourne Cup.
      The only ones I can think of were the mighty Kiwi in 1983 and Efficient (who was also phenomenal) in 2007.
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:58am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes Politcial parties should make their policy and announce it and hope that voters vote for them.
  
  Don’t ask what people want, like National are doing.
  
  I want them to
  Stop Third world immigration and Indian students
  Remove the manifestly unjust 3rd strike clause
  Start to wind back on WFF
  Start to wind back on accomodation supplement
  Build more jails
  Give judges minim sentences that must be enforced.
  Make teachers unions illegal
  No dpb for new single mothers.
  Start building the roads Labour canned.
  Etc etc
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:20am
  - Scott
    
    DigNap15-Thanks for your comments. My commentary on your comments would be as follows –Stop Third world immigration and Indian students
    I would put a pause on immigration at this time. The nation needs time to assimilate all these newcomers. Particularly in Auckland which is full. And I would like us to look closely at who we are bringing in? We seem to be deliberately engaged in the process of making white people the minority in this country. Academics openly talk about it as if it is a good thing. Why they don’t like white people is a mystery to me?
    
    Remove the manifestly unjust 3rd strike clause
    I’ll leave this to David Garrett who makes a good case for 3 strikes.
    
    Start to wind back on WFF
    Yes middle-class welfare is entrenched now and both Labour and National don’t want to remove it. Like you I want to see less welfare and more people providing for themselves rather than the government providing for them.
    
    Start to wind back on accomodation supplement
    Again we have too much welfare and too much government interference in our lives.
    
    Build more jails
    Absolutely agree! Some people are determined to commit crime and the only way to protect society from them is to put them in jail.
    
    Give judges minim sentences that must be enforced.
    I would suggest more accountability for judges? I know in the United States that judges can be impeached. Should we have more accountability for judges here?
    
    Make teachers unions illegal
    Very difficult to do this legally me old son. I would suggest opening up education to private sector providers and giving the parents the ability to use education dollars to send their kid to a school of their choice. Breaking the monopoly of government education and allowing more choice and therefore more freedom is a good idea in my opinion.
    
    No dpb for new single mothers.
    When the DPB was introduced there were a few hundred eligible solo mother’s. Now there are hundreds of thousands. The government paying a young woman a benefit for having a child out of wedlock is a disincentive for the previously widely spread practice of getting married and then having children. When a young woman gets married and then has children she is far far less likely to be dependent on the state.
    
    Start building the roads Labour canned.
    Absolutely!
    
    And if I could just add freeing up the energy sector so that we can take advantage of the resources that have been given to us.
    
    Also lowering tax rates so people keep more of their own money and businesses have a positive incentive to invest in jobs and infrastructure here.
    
    Lastly get rid of all these social justice warriors that are determined to foist travesties upon us such as transgender this and trans-phobic that. Let men be men and women be women and let them get married and go forth and multiply. And may the government leave them alone to get on with their lives and not try to run their lives for them!
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:43am
  - Scott
    
    DigNap15– Agree with much of what you wrote. Immigration is a really big issue and there is a desire to bring in as many Third World immigrants as possible for some reason. Also there seems to be a desire to make white people the minority in this country? I could be wrong on this but academic people openly gloat about this possibility.
    
    Absolutely law and order is important and I would build more jails. I would like to see more accountability regarding judges. Judges that are ludicrously lenient should face sanction of some kind in my opinion.
    
    I would like our government to cut back on welfare. We should have welfare only for those who really need a safety net. The vast majority of New Zealanders should expect to provide for themselves, not expect other taxpayers to provide for them.
    
    I would add freeing up the energy sector, cutting taxes, bringing in more school choice and cutting right back on political correctness.
    
    On all of these things this government is going in exactly the opposite direction. I’m not sure that it is going to end well??
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:49am
  - calendar girl
    
    Would you explain what you mean by “Remove the manifestly unjust 3rd strike clause”?
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:08am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Yes. I wondered about that too.
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:22am
    - simpleton1
      
      I double looked at it too.
      
      With context to Dignap’s leanings, ……
      I figured it was when judges considered it “manifestily unjust” to apply the the 3rd strike.
      
      Clear it up Dignap 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:27am
- wiseowl
  
  National used to have principles.Maybe someone should tweet those to Simon.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nah. why bother?
    
    It seems that many here and in NZ are happy to be “governed” by a group that have exhibited a complete lack of principle on a daily basis.
    
    In this week alone, a lazy PM who runs from the house when the heat is turned up, a cabinet minister who is a barefaced liar and seems to be proud of it and the deputy PM pissed as a fart showing utter contempt for Parliament and the people of NZ plus a labour MP, paid by us, ranting about “fucking TERFS”.
    
    Awesome eh?
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:43am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      The fact that Taxinda is on YouTube demonstrating her pouty offended schoolgirl humph every time the opposition asks a question is absolutely embarrassing. I actually couldn’t believe my eyes – I thought people here might have been exaggerating, but no, she really is that undignified!
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:47am
    - MCos
      
      Generally speaking the people of any country are happy for the status quo to continue even if the government doesn’t represent their interests as long as it doesn’t effect them.
      The trick is to make people believe something awful is about to happen and they’re you’re the only one’s that can sort it out.
      Of course the voters may not believe you . . . .
      
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      November 30, 2018 11:12am
- realityczech
  
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  Bridges, and his entire front row, have to go. They represent the worst of the National Party and voters hate them for it.
  
  KB represents the lunatic fringe of the National party, not NZ. If Bridges and Co stay then Labour will do another 2 terms.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:36am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well why would you worry short of reality as you voted Winston and then try to make out that you are a loyal National voter. Like a few others on this blog you throw your toys out of the cot when National don’t appease you and then blame others for your stupid voting habits.
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:45am
    - realityczech
      
      I am not a “loyal” voter. Your sort of tribalism represents the worst of humanity and the world is a poorer place for having people like you in it.
      
      I voted for the Key govt every time. But Bridges and his toxic crew are not Key.
      
      Sadly because of people like you we will be stuck with Labour for a very long time. Better get used to it sucker.
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:05am
      - lifesgood
        
        Wow! Who got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:09am
  - Dave Mann
    
    @realityczech
    
    KB does not represent the ‘lunatic fringe of the National party’ at all.
    
    From my reading, KB represents everyone, in that it is open for anybody – even communist fuckwits – to comment. But more than that, the general drift seems to come from good people who just don’t agree with the New Zealand’s radical slide into socialism, climate fear, sexual perversion and tribalism that we are experiencing right now. Obviously I’m generalising…. but this seems to be largely the case here.
    
    This is by no means a ‘lunatic fringe’. This is pretty much good Kiwi conservatism and, in my view, it is a huge potential area of voter support that is much wider in the mainstream community than any of the major parties – including National– give credit for.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:41am
    - calendar girl
      
      Well said, Dave Mann, and thanks. You’ve described the New Zealand ‘conservative’ rump much more accurately than most of us could.
      
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      November 30, 2018 2:45pm
    - realityczech
      
      There are plenty of lunatics here Dave. If you are smart you can see through their fragile veneer.
      
      These are the same sorts of tribal lunatics who would have gone into an orgy of down ticking outrage had I said Jami-Lee Ross had to go a few months back. No look at the mess.
      
      Same story with smarmy Bridges and his front row of bitter souless harpies. They all have to go.
      
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      November 30, 2018 2:57pm
- peterwn
  
  Yeah – and drive out the all important soft centre support. They know far more about politics than you.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:50am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Correct. National know that the centre right can be taken for granted. The way to grow their share of the vote is propose and implement policies designed to attract centre left voters.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:34am
- Justitia
  
  Bridges is a “progressive” mong. National need to use the barbecue season to make some very big changes.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:02am
- KevOB
  
  Any citation of the Herald is a paid advt for the COL.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:15am
- KeaRea
  
  It’s very simple.
  
  Social Investment. SI is the best public policy in the world by a vast degree. He must embrace it and make it his centre piece.
  
  Free-speech. New Zealand should be a free speech sanctuary for the world. That is the cultural issue by which he can attain gravitas and cultural difference from the progressives in the Derrida sense. Pure free speech and a radical position against political correctness. This is an easy win for him. Easy.
  
  A continuation of the BE capital management and balance sheet management model. Ours is the best in the world by far.
  
  Restraints on immigration. That will allow him his own agenda as a point of difference. They don’t have to be radical. Just palpable. He can actually use his Maori heritage to validate this stance.
  
  Use the BE platform around water and the environment – the media attacked it and now it’s exactly what is being used. Because it is best practice.
  
  There are many more. These are all the big vision items. I will be demoralised if National cannot grasp the sheet visionary power of social investment and free speech. Its gut wrenching to know BE would have been our greatest PM by far given what he developed. But that model and infrastructure is all still there.
  
  Forget the JLR nastiness. Focus on SI and our western civic heritage and he can still win.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:51am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Well said that man.
    
    I’m embarrassed by our current government, but still so damn angry that we lost BE and what he was working on, and taking us towards.
    
    I’ve worked in the dairy industry and in welfare reform/social investment and we were on the cusp of something special.
    
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    November 30, 2018 3:46pm
realityczech

“Māori are among the most vulnerable to climate change”

LOL 🙂

Stuff admitted yesterday that they are running a long term propaganda campaign to push ~~racisim and communism~~ climate hysteria.

This means the government is about to announce something. It is propaganda to seed the sheeple into accepting govt policy.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/108755375/mori-are-among-the-most-vulnerable-to-climate-change
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November 30, 2018 8:09am
- realityczech
  
  “Quick! Save the Planet – a long-term Stuff project launching today – aims to disturb our collective complacency. With insistent, inconvenient coverage, we intend to make the realities of climate change feel tangible – and unignorable.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/108819497/quick-save-the-planet-we-must-confront-climate-change
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:11am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Such a load of tripe that article. Some excuse to throw more money at Maori.
    Why not just build couple hundred metres more inland. Problem solved. Hilux will tow the boat to shore just the same.
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:14am
    - realityczech
      
      The sea level rise they are talking about is called a Tide. It is not caused by white people, or capitalism. It is caused by the moon.
      
      The scientific name for the warming part is Summer. It is not caused by white people or democracy, either.
      
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      November 30, 2018 8:26am
      - sooty
        
        The cold part is called winter.
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Cold has been banished from the Lexicon
        It is now an Extreme Event
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:59am
      - realityczech
        
        Wiggles, we can control the climate now days using taxes and by shaming white people in capitalist democracies.
        
        Brown people have no effect on climate though. Only the white 10% of the world make the planet warmer.
        
        But the biggest driver of climate is virtue signalling. The more there is the cooler it gets.
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:15am
      - howitis
        
        The greenies should know all about the moon.
        After all, the term ‘lunatic’ is directly derived from ‘luna’, the Latin word for moon.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:07am
      - rangitoto
        
        Please stop using terms such as summer and winter. You will be reported for hate speech.
        
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        November 30, 2018 11:25am
    - howitis
      
      The electric HiLux (or Leaf, haha) launching your electric powered Stabicraft.
      Electricity and water.
      It’s just shocking!
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:59am
      - realityczech
        
        Electric cars are loved by the coal industry. They have to burn billions of tons of it to charge them, so wankers can drive around looking smug.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:11am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        LOL, like someone I know feels smug for voting Green while flying overseas every year and driving huge distances daily.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:55am
  - KevOB
    
    I am on standby for an announcement granting “partnership” water rights to Maori like fishing rights. These in turn will be sold off to Nestle and charges imposed on non Maori users like Councils for the natural skyfalls.
    
    We need a mechanism to reclaim impossible ideologue anon-mandated govts. Also a punishment regime for same.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:22am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Half thinking of having my DNA checked – there could be a bit of Maori in there, somewhere, even way back… Could I get heaps of privileges? Hey nobody could ever contradict me: ‘You’ve offended my Maori ancestry!’ should shut up any bloody Leftard!
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Should be “Save Stuff” – when Stuff sells Trade Me vvery shortly Fairfax OS parent will take the money and say thanks Stuff NZ – now get Stuffed.
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:05am
    - sooty
      
      Just aswell they don’t employ journalist then!
      
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      November 30, 2018 12:46pm
- Paulus
  
  But, But,
  plenty of Jones’s Koha will go a long way until it runs out then find another slush fund.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:15am
- flipper
  
  But, but, but……
  Fairfax does not BS and it does not have a financial interest in the CW bullshit…… what utter crap.
  Check Fairfax’s Annual report listing its Corporate interests and shareholdings.
  
  So remember, Stuff just does what Fairfax wants but they ignore crappy over statements. Even the claims that the nasty activities of pesky Grizzly Bears (that are being enraged) result from climate warming.
  The really sad thing is that some folks here accept the AGW / AGWCC bullshit.
  Check this:
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/28/canadian-woman-10-month-old-baby-killed-grizzly-bear-yukon/
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:51am
- Southern Raider
  
  Yep will be a new round of treaty claims on its way.
  
  Also love how Maori “leaders” can get away with abusing other races and groups with no consequence.
  
  Mike Smith “fucking land stealers”
  Hone “white mother fuckers”
  Marama “cunts”
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:01am
wiseowl

Did anyone watch the Bolt report last night?
So much of relevance to the NZ situation and what Turnbull is doing to destroy the Liberals is fascinating.
The interview with Brendon O’Neill well worth watching.
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November 30, 2018 8:11am
- Dave Mann
  
  Some sort of link/URL thingy might be a useful addition to your comment…?
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:50am
secondcumming

My missus got Simon’s tweet earlier in the week, for his ‘HAVE YOUR SAY – FAMILIES’ survey.

As she said, rather than asking every loser on Twitter to tick all the patsy questions, why doesn’t Simon tell US what he actually stands for, and what HE intends doing for New Zealand. I mean, you’re the leader Simon…….for Christ sake man, LEAD!

https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1066838263904649216

You’d have to say if Simon doesn’t know already what the vast majority of the country wants, he never will.
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November 30, 2018 8:13am
- peterwn
  
  And what do the ‘vast majority’ want? If the ‘vast majority’ wanted what you think they wanted, then Simon would pander to them. He is in reality dealing with a number of voting segments with differing aspirations, and so he has to devise and pitch policies to get the optimum number of votes out of them.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Then get the Nat pollsters/policy Wonks to do this work.
    
    Keep your leader for the End Game Message Delivery.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:03am
    - lifesgood
      
      Wouldn’t it be the policy wonks who have prepared this survey and are just sending it out under Simon’s name (with his approval) to give it gravitas?
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:13am
  - secondcumming
    
    @peterwn
    
    Well, on that basis, you can tick every patsy question in the survey and send it back to Simon.
    
    As the old saying goes, “Never ask a question you don’t already know the answer to”
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:03am
  - KevOB
    
    At least Simon is being seen. That irritates the other lot something shocking.
    
    Wait till next year in the House.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:27am
Nukuleka

Women only swimming lessons are underway at local Christchurch pools. Available to all women uncomfortable being with men but provided specifically for Muslims. One wonders what kind of bad experiences these Muslim immigrants have had with Muslim males in their countries of origin that they should be so fearful of revealing a bit of flesh in front of a man. Do these women ever intend to adapt to kiwi ways or will they and their children and grandchildren always live some type of ghetto life removed from kiwi values and culture?
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November 30, 2018 8:14am
- DigNap15
  
  I don’t want Muslims to adapt.
  I don’t want them to come here in the first place.
  Why do they?
  I’d like to send them all back – free of charge.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:23am
  - G152
    
    They want to change NZ to resemble the hell holes they escaped from.
    We should allow them to return to those hell holes where they will incur the treatment they wish for
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:34am
- Lance
  
  And then become bitter and twisted because they don’t fit in
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:26am
  - DigNap15
    
    So don’t come to western Christian principled countries because muslims dont fit in.
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:38am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Muslims get more bitter and twisted when they realise the benefit does not live up to their entitled expectations and the country they are invading does not fall over to accommodate the entirety of their Stone Age ideology and the kaffirs don’t turn up while they are asleep to clear up the shit that they heap onto a decent society
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:42am
    - Justitia
      
      It’s the second generation who are the real worry, as seen played out in Europe. We will reap the whirlwind of their discontent and flat-out hatred. But by then any dissent will be outlawed as “Islamophobia”, a term unsurprisingly devised by the Islamo-fascists of the Muslim Brotherhood.
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:06am
- Biscuit
  
  Nukuleka, I told my better half that today in this household it’s going to be a Women only Dishwashing day, a Women only Vacuuming day, a Women only ‘Get your sainted male partner his coffee. And two of them Rocky Road Mallowpuffs’ day.
  
  Even the cat – another female – laughed at me.
  
  The Speights’ Southern Man puts it SO well when he says ‘It’s a hard job finding the perfect woman’, heh heh…
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:29am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Still alive? Lucky you
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:14am
  - KevOB
    
    I’ve got one.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:29am
    - Biscuit
      
      Sweet, KevOB.
      
      I am wise enough to murmur ‘You’re perfect’ to my partner every now and then!
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:05am
    - lifesgood
      
      LOL KevOB…she reads your posts, does she?
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:16am
      - KevOB
        
        No.
        
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        November 30, 2018 11:34am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  There are three levels of the “ghetto mind.”
  Level 1
  You send back to the old country for a wife (preferably one who can’t speak English and has minimal education)
  Level 2
  You marry a local woman, but she must be from your race, religion and culture
  Level 3
  You marry a native (not someone from your race, religion or culture)
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I hope some of our Trans sisters make good use of this opportunity to engage in some swimming lessons in this safe environment.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:09am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Not if the f***ing TERF’s have their way.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:32am
  - 3-coil
    
    MaggyW (9:09am) – excellent suggestion!!
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:36am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Why do you say these sessions are “provided specifically for Muslims”? Does it say so on the advertising?
  
  And do you really think that the Muslim community is the only one where women have bad experiences at the hands of men?
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:10am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Albert Ross: From The Star Christchurch: ‘The idea was suggested by the city council’s multicultural subcommittee… The session sets out to cater to women of other cultures, particularly Muslim women who generally aren’t able to swim in public.’
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:00am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Albert Ross: Yes, you are correct. The Muslim community is not the only one where women have had bad experiences at the hands of men. The Muslim grooming gangs of Rotherham, Rochdale, Newcastle, Huddersfield and so on in the UK targeted white girls, not Muslims.
    
    Point taken,
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:06am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’ve seen muslim families on the hottest summer days: kids and men having a lovely swim, women on the beach, so wrapped up in clothing and hijab (even burka/niqab sometimes) that they must be dying in there. Yeah, just the attitude to women we want here. So progressive….
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:08am
AgainstTheFlow

Dementia Wellington had its collectors out in Wellington Railway Station this morning.

But I couldn’t remember if I’d already donated.
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November 30, 2018 8:16am
- Sacha
  
  There was a Memory Walk to raise funds for Alazheimer people a while back.
  I wondered if they realised the irony –
  
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  November 30, 2018 1:15pm
realityczech

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

It has been hilarious watching the editing and changes in this NASA article. It has also been removed from Google search results. I had to use an uncensored search engine to find it.

The fact is we were lied to about the Antarctic ice retreating.

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
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November 30, 2018 8:16am
- Harkman
  
  Yep and the last 3 months in Chch have been the coldest in my life time, we’ve usually had a 30°c day by now.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:57am
  - MrTips
    
    Damn straight Harkman. Its been the pits. And its been wetter than a Paddy Gower interview.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:50am
    - Harkman
      
      Now that’s bloody wet.
      
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      November 30, 2018 4:13pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Funny thing memories, they are often unreliable. I’ve just been to NIWA and looked at the temps in chch (botanic gardens from 1905). Nov isn’t over but the 3 months to end of Oct was the 8th warmest on record. And checking the daily max, only 15 times has it reached 30 prior to the end of Nov.
    
    But then facts don’t seem to be used in climate discussions (dare I say it, you’re all running on feelz).
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:20am
    - realityczech
      
      Not me. I follow the science. Nasa data shows cooling for the past 2 years.
      
      https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-global-warming-earth-cooling-media-bias/
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:22am
      - Brigitte
        
        So what has NASA talking about GLOBAL weather over the past 2 years got to do with LOCAL CHCH weather over a three month period during the last century.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:29am
      - realityczech
        
        Bigot – I will write this slowly so you can keep up this time.
        
        Because Christchurch is on the globe and both Christchurch and the globe have been cooler.
        
        Now go play in traffic.
        
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        November 30, 2018 2:51pm
      - Brigitte
        
        Ha ha ha. In your puerile attempt to insult me you’ve actually told the truth. Indeed, “both Christchurch and the globe have been cooler” – that was called the past; they’re hotter now, thanks to global warming.
        
        And a quick check shows that days of 0 or less in chch are dropping by an average of 0.15 days each year (so a third less than in 1905, 27 days now vs 43 in early 1900s).
        
        Lovely thing facts, so loyal, they never change their minds.
        
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        November 30, 2018 5:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        So you deny the science and believe Nasa are part of a conspiracy.
        
        You really are an ignorant little thing.
        
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        November 30, 2018 5:35pm
    - Harkman
      
      Oh so a 29°c day, arrest me now.
      
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      November 30, 2018 4:15pm
- DigNap15
  
  Those people from Victoria University need putting in their place
  
  Franz Josef Glacier (Kā Roimata o Hine Hukatere) What?
  People are going to come from all over the world to see Kā Roimata o Hine Hukatere.
  
  And the say that Climate Change is man made.
  How do they know?
  They cant even tell us why glaciers advance and retreat.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:57am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Interesting read thanks RC. I particularly note this quote:
  “Its really not surprising to people in the climate field that not every location on the face of Earth is acting as expected – it would be amazing if everything did,” Parkinson said. “The Antarctic sea ice is one of those areas where things have not gone entirely as expected. So it’s natural for scientists to ask, ‘OK, this isn’t what we expected, now how can we explain it?’”
  
  You mean when it comes to climate systems; scientests don’t really understand them. So how is the science settled then?
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:37am
  - realityczech
    
    Salacious Crumb, climate is an incredibly complex system. We barely understand the elements that drive it, let alone the effect of those elements. It is way too chaotic to predict and even the overall broad trends defy predictions.
    
    I am totally convinced mans activities change the climate, but are not persuaded the changes are going to cause terrible things.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:46am
- KevOB
  
  “new max antartic sea ice”
  Startpage.com search engine puts it at the top of the page.
  
  With Startpage Google doesn’t know who is actually inquiring.
  Another useful add-on is Ghostery preventing pesky tracking.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:39am
wiseowl

No Nuku they intend to have all of us in that garb long term.
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November 30, 2018 8:18am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/108961366/government-lends-10m-to-westland-milk-for-high-value-products

Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh!

The TAXPAYER are funding this, not PriNZess!

If a bank won’t lend them $10M then clearly their business case is soft.

But, hey, it’s only taxpayer money so if it all goes pear shaped – no worries.

This is exactly why Parker must be kept away from the NZ Super lolly pile.
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November 30, 2018 8:20am
- Harkman
  
  I recall Warren Buffett joking about a comment by Richard Branson, “How to become a millionaire? Start off with a billion and buy an airline.” But now it’s move to the West Coast and ask Shane Jones.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This is concerning.
  Westland Milk is a farmer cooperative.
  It appears that Fonterra are paying more and West-Coast farmers are moving over to Fonterra.
  https://farmersweekly.co.nz/#
  
  My prediction: As Fonterra creams off the best-performing farmers in the West-Coast, Westland Milk will go into partnership with an offshore company and will basically become one of their subsidiary companies.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:20am
  - Harkman
    
    But will Winston allow them to amalgamate with foreigners?
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:38am
  - Jack5
    
    Just as the Otago farmers’ meat co-operative, Silver Fern Farms Co-operative Ltd, sold a 50 per cent stake to Shanghai Maling (Hong Kong) in December two years ago.
    
    It still calls itself a co-operative, but how it can still be a co-op when its half owned by a foreign investor beats me.
    
    A single 50 per cent shareholder has the power when the other 50 per cent is shared by several hundred investors.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:49am
- Rich Prick
  
  The WTO is none too pleased with Shane’s slush fund providing agricultural subsidies either.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:37am
  - lifesgood
    
    Shane Jones is a moron. Giving money to buy votes to people who already vote labour, i.e. coasters and northlanders is flat out stupid. But good on him.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:20am
    - calendar girl
      
      But it’s not his money to give. It’s taxpayers’ money, and most of us have no faith in his personal prioritization of the hand-outs.
      
      This Government has too much ‘loose’ money to spend. And leaving decision-making to a Shane Jones when it comes to handing out ‘subsidies’ is asking for trouble.
      
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      November 30, 2018 3:12pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Wasting taxpayers’ money. Don’tcha HATE it!
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2910957/Bill-English-buckles-over-housing-allowance
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/an-open-letter-from-flag-con-panel-aug.html
        
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        November 30, 2018 4:58pm
realityczech

https://www.victoria.ac.nz/news/2017/02/explaining-new-zealands-unusual-growing-glaciers

“Newly published research shows regional climate variability caused an “unusual” period in which some of New Zealand’s glaciers grew bigger”

The rest of this Victoria Uni article tries to explain all this away as proof the world is too hot.

They had to do this as people can see that the glaciers are growing, while being told they are shrinking. Tourists from all over the world see it with their own eyes.

The warmists had to do something so they made a fake study to explain away the evidence of your own eyes.
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November 30, 2018 8:21am
- Harkman
  
  The most interesting one in recent history was the Scandinavian abandonment of their pre-Columbian North American and Greenland colonies. Why? For uninhabitable conditions that just started.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:05am
  - realityczech
    
    Greenland is way too warm to support life now. They had to leave.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:26am
- Jules99
  
  Since that appeared, I think I recall that some glaciers in the Himalayas have grown too – sorry, not time to get a link right now.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:13am
- stephieboy
  
  rc, been there done that with the same link some time ago. You naturally omit reference to this from the link,
  
  “..This anomaly hadn’t been satisfactorily explained, so this physics-based study used computer models for the first time to look into it in detail.
  
  “We found that lower temperature caused the glaciers to advance, rather than increased precipitation as previously thought. These periods of reduced temperature affected the entire New Zealand region, and they were significant enough for the glaciers to re-advance in spite of human-induced climate change.”
  
  Associate Professor Mackintosh says the climate variability, which includes the cooler years, still reflects a climate that’s been modified by humans.
  
  “It may seem unusual—this regional cooling during a period of overall global warming—but it’s still consistent with human-induced climate change. The temperature changes were a result of variability in the climate system that’s specific to New Zealand.
  
  “New Zealand sits in a region where there’s significant variability in the oceans and the atmosphere—much more than many parts of the world. The climate variability that we identified was also responsible for changes in the Antarctic ice sheet and sea ice during this period.”
  
  Sigh!
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:16am
  - KevOB
    
    If you believe any climate reports out of NIWA or VUW consider how many bags of marshmallows are reported eaten each year by albatross in the Kermadecs.
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:42am
sooty

Reading between the lines it appears that mind altering chemical substances are been used!
Supplied to political elite by the dud cheque!
Slease was told to cover it up and failed!
Whose been protected?
Corruption?
By election!
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November 30, 2018 8:23am
- KevOB
  
  General election preferred.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:14am
dave_c_

Black sackcloth to gird our loins, and other unmentionable parts.
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November 30, 2018 8:24am
oldpark

A question might be. Are some NZs Warrants of Fitness on Vehicles just a scam. Two or three recent cases have been reported in Auckland.
One called Orient Motors with the proprietors named Dong Xiao Lin and his offsider named Yong Xiang Feng caught issuing sub standard WOFs.Also another one .In fact from a most trusted type of WOFs Garage. run by the proprietor named Abnesh Chand. Sadly an AA garage on Aucklands’North Shore.Whats going on, and what is the Penalty for this type of crime.
Deportation? no chance of that. After all when drug running Gangsters are given immunity to that type Punishment. Why would the crook WOFs which could cost many deaths on NZs roads,be classed as nothing to see here ,move on.
Perhaps if it can be established that low rent people issuing low class types of WOFs throughout NZ and that the discovery of the scam in Auckland is just the tip of the iceberg,maybe the threat of Deportation for some Garage Owners ,who have latched onto a nice little earner and a scam ,might sit up and take notice. Crook WOFs are really a hate crime.Go Figure.
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November 30, 2018 8:24am
- DigNap15
  
  People from the third world should not
  Be immigration officers
  Customs officers
  Drivers license testers
  Garage owners
  And if they are a business owner, they should be inspected by the IRD and the Labour Departments and the immigration department every 6 months.
  
  They are here to rort our systems and to bring their corrupt practices.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:30am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If you have grown up in a culture where it is normal practice to accept cash in return for authorising documentation, and then you immigrate to a nation where there are many of your countrymen (who are also new immigrants), what do you think will naturally happen?
    – Since you speak the language of your countrymen and know their ways, many of them will come to you for business (ease of communication)
    – Your customers will ask you for the same favors and treatments as in the old country
    – Will you risk the ire of your countrymen if you refuse them? How will your reputation in the expat community suffer as a result?
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:55am
    - Swifty
      
      That’s exactly how it works.
      
      I’ve lived with Indians for years and using your public role for personal gain is absolutely the norm. As they say “you’d be mad not to.” It’s why there is fierce competition for entry into the civil service.
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:30am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Here is one commentary about the relationship between what the West considers to be “corruption” and the workings of Indian society.
        
        https://www.iaspreparationonline.com/indian-culture-perpetuate-corruption-india/
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:11pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Quite so. I knew a Dutchman who did the same scam at Phillips in Naenae back in the 60’s. They fired the prick in the end but he’d made enough to startup a television hire company. The fellow was a complete and utter arse but got away with shitloads of dumb expats cash. Indians are even less caring than Dutch bastards! 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2018 6:19pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    or building inspectors/consenting officers. (A close acquaintance was shaken down by one of them of a southern Asian persuasion)
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      The only shaking would be me holding a collar.
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:15am
  - MCos
    
    I don’t think you know what the third world countries are.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:24am
  - realityczech
    
    Shall we should get the Jews out of finance too?
    
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    November 30, 2018 5:39pm
- Lance
  
  I wold note that although this is a problem, I have twice had vehicles fail WOFs for the most idiotic reasons imaginable.
  One was because they claimed the sun visor was loose, when I pointed out it wasn’t and stays in place, they maintained it didn’t have enough holding force…. WTF?
  The other was a supposed vibrating headlight (on idle only). I couldn’t even see it. Took it to another garage and the skilled mechanic said that was common and how they come out of the factory.
  FFS where did they get these clowns from?
  In both instances the mechs (and management) were of Indian descent. I normally would have no problem with this if they were competent, but suffice to say I avoid vehicle testing stations now. I don’t mind seeing to real problems, but idiotic nonsense fails are very annoying.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:38am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The other day I heard of an AA franchised garage (yes, Indian owner) who checked a car on behalf of the prospective buyer and said that the transmission was on the way out. Seller took it to the authorised dealer for the brand who said there was nothing wrong with it.
    Indian AA man is feeding his own workshop. What could possibly go wrong?
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:55am
  - peterwn
    
    Had a funny WOF failure years ago. I check lights before taking it in and a stop light did not work. Got a bulb from the dealership, drove round the corner, changed it, then went to VTNZ. Lights misbehaved (tail lighes came on when brake pedal pressed) during test and they failed it. I wondered if bulb contacts had bridged but could not find anything. Checked bulb with multimeter – the two filaments had bridged because of a manufacturing fault.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:11am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    A WOF Inspector needs to have a mechanical background. Some of these morons just work straight out of the VIRM and would not be able to test a tricycle. I have 45 years up my sleeve
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:24am
- G152
  
  I -used- to go to a particular garage for all mechanical work, WOFs and so on.
  It got destroyed in a fire so I went to a large fancy establishment for WOFs and repairs.
  3 WOFs 3 very large mechanical repair bills.
  Last straw was a WOF refusal because the horn didn’t work and they ‘needed’ the vehicle in for as to see why it didn’t work and the fuse was ‘okay’..
  Pissed off I took the car to The Manifold Man and told him to do the WOF.
  He rang back within the hour, car had a WOF and the horn fuse was replaced.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:41am
  - Harkman
    
    I know they just look for work. Earlier this year I inherited my late father’s late 90s Honda station wagon (honestly nobody wants it). I had always taken vehicles across town to someone I’d used before, this time I took it to the Garage 200m from home that nobody I know uses, because I could quickly get home and take our other vehicle. That night when I went to pick it up, it had failed, “What? It hasn’t been used in 12 months, my father was paralysed with cancer and it had done two warrants & only covered 200km.” The list was like a mile long: the spare wheel not bolted down (which would’ve taken a screw), a $2 bulb above the number plate, another light wasn’t working in the back but you just click it in and it went again, they said the engine mounts were gone but couldn’t remember which ones! My cousin, a German car part dealer set me to his best mate, who did his apprenticeship at Honda in the 1990s and said that the engine mounts that were cracked were nonstructural, only padding and didn’t need replacing. So I got him to do the warrant. Anyhow, as I drive past the dodgy shop in the morning I began to notice an identical late 90s Honda station wagon parked outside, everyday either in the shop or within 80m of the garage. The buggers either own one or its their courtesy car, so they knew the parts that they could claim were stuffed to milk me. Lesson, always take a car to somebody you know well.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:31am
    - Paulus
      
      Where I used to live our local garage if they found a WOF fault -such as loose chain, bulb blown or anything fixable – fixed it automatically – usually no special charge, except $4 bulb.
      Great people.
      
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      November 30, 2018 11:16am
      - Harkman
        
        Exactly that’s what it should be, a few extra dollars to fix a few small things.
        
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        November 30, 2018 4:20pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Wait a second. I thought the Chinese are wonderful and we need more of them.
  Which one is it? Are they low trust society third worlders or patogon of virtue immigrants that NZ needs more of. So confused.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:51am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The Chinese are wonderful, but certain aspects of the Chinese culture are the problem.
    Can you modify such habits? (Old habits die hard.)
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      I’m not sure, how’s Samurai culture going?
      
      Do the yakusa present a problem to all Japanese immigrants outside of Japan?
      
      Is there still a booming trade in Japan illegally importing young blond women?
      
      I prefer to judge people by how they interact with me and for the record, I have seen many many examples of good NZ born mechanics and service station managers fleecing their customers.
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:22am
      - Woz
        
        Fair’s fair, Tall Man. We illegally import quite a few of their “schoolgirls”. You can go visit them any afternoon for an hour, quite cheap too.
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:00am
      - Jack5
        
        Jeez, Tall Man, your “I prefer to judge people by how they interact with me” is virtue signalling.
        
        I’ve seen in the streets of both China and Japan the rare odd European woman who from garish appearance is likely a prostitute.
        
        But how is that any different from the Asian prostitutes who are apparently rife (I’m too old and broke to do the research myself) in NZ brothels?
        
        If you think that Samurai culture is all there is to Japanese culture, it’s time you took a trip there.
        
        I take from Odakyu-sen’s post that he’s referring to, or hinting at, China’s tradition of corruption in business dealings.
        
        China’s is not the only culture that’s more tolerant of corruption than our traditional Anglo culture, but corruption was and is rife in Chinese business.
        
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        November 30, 2018 11:54am
  - DigNap15
    
    I like the Chinese people that I have met.
    But as I have asked before.
    What do most of them do here in NZ?
    Eg we all know that Indians drive taxis, own restaurants and dairies and work in horticulture
    How would you classify Chinese in NZ.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:44am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Retired?
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      Either retired, working as professionals in Medicine, Commerce, Engineering etc.
      
      What else do you need to know?
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:54am
    - secondcumming
      
      Hide out.
      
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      November 30, 2018 11:26am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I like the Chinese I have met too and I’ve learned a bit of Mandarin and I’m interested in their culture.
      
      Chinese students account for a huge proportion and these young people are contributing shitload$ to our academic and fake academic (i.e. Massey ‘University’) institutions. At the other end of the age scale there is quite a large proportion of retired and elderly parents of PR immigrants here too.
      
      I suspect that many of the working age Chinese here are pretty well off and quite a large proportion of them earned their money as bureaucrats back home where what we call ‘kickbacks’ are just a normal part of doing business. They need to get their money out of China into safer pastures and New Zealand suits them admirably as we give permanent residents all the rights and privileges of full citizenship. Thus, they can retain their Chinese citizenship and have the best of both worlds. Often they live between NZ and China keeping business ticking over back home while they send their kids to school here.
      
      Having said that, I have done business with some Chinese and I’ve never sensed that they are anything but upfront – so I suspect that when they come to a new country they generally adapt well to our customs and don’t bring their ‘kickback’ or ‘corruption’ practices with them from back home.
      
      They seem to be into real estate investment (for obvious reasons), but they also are into retail bigtime (Chinese shops and restaurants as well as ‘Kiwi’ shops) but probably their main business activities are in large investments like tourism, dairy farms, import/export and finance which are more out-of-sight to the ordinary bloke.
      
      This is just my perspective and I might be way off. But that’s what I reckon, for what its worth.
      
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      November 30, 2018 2:24pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Padriv Ustoev. like you or me they are human carrying all the baggage that belongs to being members of the human race.
    
    Nor more no less.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:52am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      No I disagree with that. Your argument is based on the presupposition that all cultures are equal. I reject that presupposition.
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:22am
- Woz
  
  I have a very long association with a particular “developing” country, by way of career and family ties. I know intimately how they operate there, and that alone would be enough to ensure I never take a car anywhere near an Indian. Chinese not so bad… but Indians? Hopelessly corrupt people.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:58am
  - lifesgood
    
    The more things change the more they stay the same. Has everyone forgotten the loathsome Irish, Scottish and English trade unionists who came to NZ in the 50s and 60s and made NZ a miserable place for decades. That immigration has ended and now we have another type of unwanted immigrant. Will we never learn.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:26am
    - Jack5
      
      Lifesgood, I’m not one of those 50s and 60s immigrants you are talking about, but the union stirrers were a minute proportion of those migrants from the British Isles.
      
      It was compulsory unionism that gave the stirrers power, and that compulsion was provided by political parties dominated by standard, local-born Kiwis.
      
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      November 30, 2018 12:06pm
  - KevOB
    
    My experience of business Chinese is now to be very very wary. You will get your deal but only what you specify. One year I bought a million dollars of product from one Chinese source in NZ and got shafted with false components on some motherboards.
    This trickery appears to be culturally acceptable. If you get caught you have done your homework.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:28am
hullkiwi

Lisa Owen speaking to the dud Czech (last night on Checlpoint & repeated on Morning Report today), you are left understanding how the Parole Board came to the conclusion, this is a guy who needs to be put on a military plane to the Czech Republic with a not for return stamped on his passport by the NZ Authorities.

He makes accusations without evidence or support, inferring that he is in danger because it is a former East Bloc country. The Czech Republic is not a country of the former USSR, it has to adhere to EU rules an is a member of the European Court. The Czech Republic is not as extreme as the Czech would have people believe.
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November 30, 2018 8:26am
- Happychappy
  
  Maybe someone would like to question Lisa Owen and ask her why she supported the decision of Lee’ Galloway and the Coalition earlier instead of being a supporter weeks after this corrupt decision had been analysed and found that the Minister was not up to the job of Immigration Minister.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:36am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Happy, you are spot on. I hear Owen on the radio and I am left with the impression she is a bad version of Campbell. She is a sycophant & nothing less.
    
    But what amazes me with these people she will provide unwavering support (like to ILG), but when it goes fits, they are the first in for the kicking.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:14am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Maybe Lisa is a purchaser of lawnmowers?
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:27am
- Rich Prick
  
  The Czech Republic is a really nice place and I don’t find their Police scary at all. Lees-Galloway’s drug dealing criminal gangster mate on the other hand …
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:48am
  - Longknives
    
    He’s not Lees-Galloway’s mate.
    The issue is he is mates with other people…
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:41am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Rich, I’ve been to the Czech Republic twice and found it a beautiful country to visit. On the other hand I’ve also been to Russia and can assure you even for tourists, you do not mix it with the Tussian police/militia.
    
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    November 30, 2018 4:05pm
- KevOB
  
  How is Sroubek being allowed to speak from prison?
  Does he have a cell phone?
  Prisoners are not allowed to be seen–how is an interview different?
  
  Is the COL running interference now to see that he stays?
  Sroubek has no rights until his release in 2022. The deportation issue is only relevant when his release is authorised.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:36am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Kev, that was wondering when I say the headline last night that he had spoken to Owen.
    
    Having a guess, there may be a way, ie. he had help from people in high places. Not even people like Lundy can get his lawyer to arrange a phone interview at prime time listening.
    
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    November 30, 2018 4:22pm
- Paulus
  
  Thank you for this information.
  I think Owen is where I turn off rapidly after the 5pm news – for some reason I cannot listen to her high pitched screech.
  Mona Pelsier is another one – high pitch kind of Philippines/American accent.
  This kind if speak appears to be norn now.
  High pitch US type fast Screech.
  ps my hearing is not good anyway as I use aids often but it still irritates my insensibilities.
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:23am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I don’t watch the ‘news’ on TV, but every so often I accidentally come across some screeching bimbo presenter in between stuff I have recorded.
    
    They are always females, normally blonde or Maorified looking and their voices are like coarse grit sandpaper scratching on corrugated iron.
    
    I usually exclaim “Why the fuck would a broadcasting organisation employ someone like that???”
    
    My wife patiently mutes the sound before I throw my wineglass at the TV. She’s good like that. Good reflexes….. 😀
    
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    November 30, 2018 3:01pm
- KevOB
  
  How did Lisa Owen get permission to interview a prisoner for radio?
  
  Does Sroubek has a cellphone for direct connections?
  He is convicted drug dealer and in prison for that not at KiwiButlins.
  
  Who has approved this most unusual access to a prisoner?
  
  He is incarcerated untill 2022 and is unlikely to be released prior. Deportation issues will be on hold until then.
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:49am
trout

For those that demand Maori become financially independent here is a group that is worthy of support. https://www.manawahoney.co.nz/ This hapu, living in the depths of the Ureweras is working bloody hard to build up a viable honey production business. The honey is excellent quality; I buy a bunch of gift packs every year to give to staff and friends; if you want to get some buy through the website; enter the promo code GIFTPACK for a 15% discount.
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November 30, 2018 8:28am
- DigNap15
  
  Good on them.
  I just hope that their cousis and bros don’t frighten our tourists and beat them up and rob them.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    I chap I know went hunting up there a few years back and as he parked someone called out “what makes you think you car will be here when you get back?”.
    
    He replied the he would have to “shoot every fucking horse he saw” on his long walk out.
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:12am
    - stephieboy
      
      Tall Man seems like you made that tall tale up on the hop!
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:56am
      - Tall Man
        
        steffy girl…it seems like you’re as dumb today as you were yesterday and will be tomorrow.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:50am
- Tall Man
  
  Had a look. How do they get away with listing “gst exclusive” prices?
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:10am
  - trout
    
    Re Manawa Honey GST is added in on the production of an invoice. Unusual for a retail product but common for business customer pricing. Must ask.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:45am
Odakyu-sen

“Elderly man waits nearly six months to be seen by DHB eye specialist, now he’s blind”
Ref: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12168355

Is there a lesson here about the risks of passively “waiting” in a queue for a public health service, based on the belief that “the State will look after me.”
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November 30, 2018 8:31am
- DigNap15
  
  Shouldn’t have gone to Spec Savers!
  
  yes my father was very persistent in asking for appointments etc.
  
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  November 30, 2018 8:35am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    How much is your sight worth to you?
    
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    November 30, 2018 8:48am
  - secondcumming
    
    Having just read the entire story, seems to me he had the remedy in his own hands from the beginning. All he had to do was sit down to pee.
    
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    November 30, 2018 1:17pm
- G152
  
  Didn’t see that coming …
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:24am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Neither did he…
    
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    November 30, 2018 9:48am
- MCos
  
  My elderly mother booked into the Timaru Hospital to have eye cataracts sorted out.
  There was a wait of a couple of months or so so she thought bugger it, I’ve got the money I’ll get it done privately straightaway. Someone else can have my spot.
  Turned out on the due day the doctor was crook and she wound up waiting longing than the original hospital oppointment.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:46am
secondcumming

Bought myself a really mint *1918 Colt 911* last night from a gentleman I was introduced to at the gun club. A nicer guy you wouldn’t meet.

The poor bugger was telling us he was one of the first babies in New Zealand to fall victim to the drug Thalidomide, back in the early 60’s. I really felt sorry for him, but must say I had to quietly laugh to myself when he handed me his business card, it said ‘Small Arms Dealer’
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November 30, 2018 8:35am
- Komata
  
  SC
  
  Tardish, ‘Oi’!!!
  
  Thank you.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:29am
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DUM BRITONS
Exhibit 4: Johnny Mercer

lout n. 1. an uncouth and aggressive man or boy; 2. an undesirable person, a boor, a bumpkin, a dolt, a clod; 3. a rude, stupid, or awkward man

He’s possessed of a blimpish blood lust….

A Tory MP has prompted an angry debate after suggesting killing people for what you believe in is acceptable. Writing about why young people should consider joining the army, Plymouth MP Johnny Mercer lamented the unpopularity of the use of violence.

He said: “The application of violence to defeat the enemies of the nation has become worryingly unpopular. Nothing wrong with fighting (yes killing) for values/what you believe in. The oppressed/bullied/tormented/voiceless deserve it. Join the fight; best thing you’ll ever do.”

The MP’s tweet followed another which said: “At some point – somewhere – someone – is going to have to stand up to Russia in the traditional sense.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/johnny-mercer-conservative-mp-plymouth-army-tweet-killing-believe-for-values-a8655996.html

He’s lazy….

Mercer was the subject of criticism in July 2018 after he choose to appear in Celebrity Hunted, a Channel 4 television programme where participants go on the run and images are released of them so people can try to track them down, rather than attend his work in Parliament. Whilst appearing on the programme he missed the meeting of the Health and Social Care Committee, which he is a member of, shortly before Parliament broke up for the summer recess.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/10/tory-election-spending-johnny-mercer-mp-police-some-claims-were-wrong

He’s dishonest….

Mercer has been challenged over his expenses on a number of occasions. His successful campaign to get elected as an MP in 2015 was subsequently the subject of a police investigation following allegations it breached rules on campaign spending. Mercer admitted to police that his account of expenses had been incorrect, but argued that the errors were minor and his spending had not breached legal limits.

REALLY fucking dishonest…

In November 2015, he was criticised by the TaxPayers’ Alliance after it was revealed he had purchased five Apple iMacs on his Commons expenses, rather than ‘cheaper equivalents’. Mercer responded that the purchases were appropriate and ‘were cheaper than the desktop computers offered to MPs by the House of Commons’ official supplier’. He was criticised in May 2016 for claiming £2,500 on expenses for “professional services” on social media management and in December 2017 The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority opened an investigation to determine whether Mercer had been paid business expenses he should not have.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mp-johnny-mercer-accused-over-3500-expenses-claim-for-five-imacs-a3115271.html

DUM BRITONS is compiled by Hector Stoop, for Daisycutter Sports Inc.

No. 1 Michael Gove; No. 2 Chris Leslie; No. 3 Sir Mark Thatcher
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- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., specialists in spreading fuckwittery around the globe.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:00am
- realityczech
  
  Morrie, how many Brits have Tories killed in their own country compared to your socialist idols like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot etc ?
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:57am
SGA

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/108982790/southwest-says-sorry-after-us-airline-worker-mocked-girl-named-abcde

Southwest Airlines issued an apology after a woman claimed a gate agent made fun of the name of her five-year-old daughter, Abcde.

Well… wouldn’t it have been simpler not to give your daughter such a silly name?
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November 30, 2018 8:58am
- Morrissey
  
  How did that insensitive gate agent treat her son Fghij?
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:01am
- realityczech
  
  Morrie, I shudder to think what a narcissitic entitled little brat that repugnant child is. Sounds worse that the spoor of Arderns cursed union.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:19am
  - Morrissey
    
    Or this one….
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1348303/John-Key-s-son-yells-Real-men-ride-women-cyclists.html
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:19am
    - Jack5
      
      Key jun. is alleged to have said “real men ride women” not “real men ride women cyclists” as suggested by the wording of your link, Morrissey.
      
      What are you arguing with: 1. Key jun’s yelling and behaviour; or 2. the proposition that “real men ride women”? ?
      
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      November 30, 2018 12:10pm
    - realityczech
      
      Morrie why do you hate straight people so much?
      
      The young fella is wise beyond his years. Only lesbians and communists ride bikes.
      
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      November 30, 2018 12:13pm
- MrTips
  
  Imagine the furore if she was dyslexic and called her LGBTGIF!!!
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:44am
- Woz
  
  The poor kid is fucked for life, thanks to the fuckwittery of its parents. The only mistake the gate agent made was indiscretion. In actual fact the kid is being laughed at wherever it goes.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:54am
artemisia

What’s wrong with The Treasury? Seems their advice is way way wrong.

Mr Twyford said in the House yesterday ”Well, I sometimes find myself agreeing with Treasury, but much of the time I don’t.”

They need to get with the programme, sack the ‘kids’ and produce research and analysis that supports the government views and plans. That’s what they are there for. Isn’t it?
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November 30, 2018 9:04am
- Tall Man
  
  Perhaps the inverse?
  
  It seems to me that twyford is the biggest kid on the block.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:06am
- KevOB
  
  Treasury opinion is based on factual observation and 100 years of experience, knowledge and wisdom. Twford and the rest of the COLL in league have none of that. Their self belief doesn’t operate within present realities. Hence all their advisors have to be picked from compliant sycophants. MBIE is now preferred as economic directors.
  TWG = working to produce the required CGT.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:48am
Sofia

Speaking to Checkpoint from prison today, Sroubek – who wants to be known as Jan Antolik – said he believed the minister had to bow to pressure from the National Party – RNZ

There was information that was provided by his wife, for example, who I understand is the National Party’s informant on this matter. [Interruption] Don’t deny it—that’s a fact. His wife was backing him to the hilt. She was then but isn’t now, but the one piece … Winston Peters, Question 1, yesterday afternoon, Hansard

So Sroubek blames National, while Winston claims Sroubek’s wive is National’s informant.

And – On behalf of the Prime Minister, Mr Lees-Galloway inherited a defective, flawed, inadequate, and insufficient system of scrutiny for such applications. Ultimately, he himself became a victim of that inadequate system, admits that openly, and is committed to fixing it, and we have confidence in him doing so. – also Winston Peters, on behalf of PM Ardern, Question 1, yesterday afternoon, Hansard

So what line will Sroubek’s lawyers take in requesting any judicial review
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November 30, 2018 9:13am
- alloytoo
  
  Throwing your employees under the bus is always poor management.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:54am
- MrTips
  
  I’m surprised Winston hasn’t complained about the height of the podium in front of his seat. The little wanker is only just visible over it.
  
  He just tells lies for the sake of it doesn’t he?
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:58am
  - Biscuit
    
    MrTips, we need one of those fairground rules:
    
    ‘YOU MUST BE ABLE TO SEE OVER THIS BOARD TO PLAY ON THIS RIDE’
    
    And further down:
    
    ‘STANDING ON EMPTY WHISKY BOTTLES DOESN’T COUNT, WINSTON’
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:11am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  …he himself became a victim of that ~~inadequate~~ system …that was designed for a competent hard working minister who gives a shit about doing the job right. Processes need to change when you have a lazy incompetent dickhead minister who only cares about his paycheck.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:04am
- kevn
  
  @Sofia…. They are just full of sh*t aren’t they’?
  This Czech crim will grind on legally for ages. Seems he is well resourced.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:07am
- KevOB
  
  The Minister is responsible. He gets the pay and status.
  
  Is there now signalling that it was simple Deptl. oversight that has enabled the ILG to now do what is proper?
  Is the purpose being to assist Sroubek to stay in the provisioning business in NZ?
  
  Are jounos implicated too in possible drug purchases from Sroubek?
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:58am
Rodney Randall

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108944359/pm-and-opposition-leader-clash-over-new-plymouth-kiwibuild-costs

Really? I didn’t see the PM in the house during question time?
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November 30, 2018 9:15am
lastmanstanding

Just to followup yesterdays post on CGT. if anyone thinks these new taxes will reduce existing taxes forget it.

Cullen has said that these will be additional taxes because of the aging population.

The State will collect more and more of a hard working persons income and capital so they can redistribute it to win votes and advantage the lazy and slothful.
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November 30, 2018 9:20am
realityczech

Why does this government fail to take into account sea level rise in residential valuations?

Urgent action needs to be taken. All costal and low lying property should be valued according to the official government forecasts. Essentially it should be worthless and unfit for habitation due to it being underwater any day now. All that flash property around the Auckland waterfront should be classed as Seabed and all building banned accordingly.
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November 30, 2018 9:30am
- kevn
  
  @rc… and massively reduce excessive seafront location rates?
  Could be some cheap, uninsurable beach houses for sale.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:04am
  - realityczech
    
    Yes no rates at all.
    
    You could also demand a flash new 4 bedroom house from kiwibuild to replace the one Labour/Greens told you is uninhabitable.
    
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    November 30, 2018 3:03pm
- Jules99
  
  I expect my rates bill to fall precipitately.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:15am
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/links-30-november-2018/#comment-3238276

… NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: The ‘multiple stretch’ problems of pricing and lending …

Unnatural Acts From New Zealand’s Reserve Bank … Martin North with Joe Wilkes … Digital Finance Analytics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdnCARscvgE

Why did the Bank of England impose a general lending cap of 4.5 times annual household income … and the Central Bank of Ireland cap generally at 3.5 times ?

Access information (including base research) from the Central Bank of Ireland …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures

How will the Australian housing market … and credit changes too … influence New Zealand ? …

Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/links-30-november-2018/#comment-3238538
  
  BNZ ups its sub-4% two year home loan rate to match its rivals at 4.29% as the competitive imperative for lower rates to win market share fades. Westpac follows | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/news/97147/bnz-ups-its-sub-4-two-year-home-loan-rate-match-its-rivals-429-competitive-imperative
  
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  November 30, 2018 2:16pm
MCos

Genuine interchange

Reporter: If Cohen is such a bum, why did you hire him, have him on your payroll for 12 years, and have him do so much of your dirty work?

President Trump: “Because a long time ago he did me a favor. A long time ago he did me a favor.”

I’m suprised he didn’t say he made an offer I couldn’t refuse.
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November 30, 2018 9:51am
DigNap15

I saw Ardern in Parliament the other speaking (without being interjected) on a bill – Child Poverdy.
Every second word was ah or uh.
I thought she was a master at communications
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November 30, 2018 9:54am
- Longknives
  
  Ummm (*tilting my head sideways and putting on a frowny face)
  No…
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:38am
Lance

I see some silly woman calls her child Abcde and they has all hurty feelings when some airline staff have a giggle at the boarding pass. She throws a hissy fit and plasters her outrage all over social media.
Ummmmmmm

How about you don’t give your child a silly name and normal people won’t be giggling at your child’s name for the rest of her life?
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November 30, 2018 10:02am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Like your boring one?
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    Why on earth would a grown man choose stephie boy as a name?
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:31am
    - realityczech
      
      Because he cant spell paedophile?
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:35am
    - pentwig
      
      do you really think it is a man?
      or a sane person?
      or a thing of relevance?
      
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      November 30, 2018 11:26am
    - Swifty
      
      Lifesgood – one of life’s mysteries, I’m afraid.
      
      We’ll never know what goes through his howling wasteland of a mind.
      
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      November 30, 2018 2:23pm
  - MrTips
    
    stephie, we can’t all be like you…..flamboyant desk whippets who’ve just stepped out of the supply closet.
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:25am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Climate change report warns of increased demand on emergency services in Queensland
By Jessica van Vonderen

Updated 7 Sep 2018, 9:27am

An increased risk of fire and flood across the state will put extra demand on emergency services and require a “significant financial commitment”, a new climate change strategy has revealed.

Emergency Services Minister Craig Crawford will today release a plan designed to help first responders get ready for future weather extremes.

It warns of the potential for climate change to increase the frequency, intensity, duration and distribution of bushfires, heatwaves and coastal inundation.

“We’ve all got to accept the world is changing. Queensland is changing,” Mr Crawford said.

“There are plenty of people out there who are climate change sceptics… but the consensus is our fire seasons are getting hotter and longer and our flood and cyclone seasons are certainly getting stronger and more frequent.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-07/queensland-climate-change-strategy-increased-fire-flood-risk/10209896

The Climate change deniers true agenda,

https://www.mamamia.com.au/head-in-the-sand-protest-at-bondi/
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November 30, 2018 10:10am
- realityczech
  
  Don’t Tell Anyone, But We Just Had Two Years Of Record-Breaking Global Cooling
  
  Inconvenient Science: NASA data show that global temperatures dropped sharply over the past two years. Not that you’d know it, since that wasn’t deemed news. Does that make NASA a global warming denier?
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:15am
  - stephieboy
    
    rc,
    
    Inconvenient facts,
    
    Judith Curry and her associate repudiated here,
    
    Third U.S. National Climate Assessment Key Findings
    
    * Global climate is changing and this is apparent across the United States in a wide range of observations. The global warming of the past 50 years is primarily due to human activities, predominantly the burning of fossil fuels.
    * Some extreme weather and climate events have increased in recent decades, and new and stronger evidence confirms that some of these increases are related to human activities.
    * Human-induced climate change is projected to continue, and it will accelerate significantly if global emissions of heat-trapping gases continue to increase.
    * Impacts related to climate change are already evident in many sectors and are expected to become increasingly disruptive across the nation throughout this century and beyond.
    * Climate change threatens human health and well-being in many ways, including through more extreme weather events and wildfire, decreased air quality, and diseases transmitted by insects, food, and water.
    * Infrastructure is being damaged by sea level rise, heavy downpours, and extreme heat; damages are projected to increase with continued climate change.
    * Water quality and water supply reliability are jeopardized by climate change in a variety of ways that affect ecosystems and livelihoods.
    * Climate disruptions to agriculture have been increasing and are projected to become more severe over this century.
    * Climate change poses particular threats to Indigenous Peoples’ health, wellbeing, and ways of life. 
    * Ecosystems and the benefits they provide to society are being affected by climate change. The capacity of ecosystems to buffer the impacts of extreme events like fires, floods, and severe storms is being overwhelmed.
    * Ocean waters are becoming warmer and more acidic, broadly affecting ocean circulation, chemistry, ecosystems, and marine life.
    * Planning for adaptation (to address and prepare for impacts) and mitigation (to reduce future climate change, for example by cutting emissions) is becoming more widespread, but current implementation efforts are insufficient to avoid increasingly negative social, environmental, and economic consequences.
    *
    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-information/climate-change-and-variability
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:26am
    - realityczech
      
      Despite What You’ve Heard, Global Warming Isn’t Making Weather More Extreme
      
      1/04/2018
      
      Climate Myths: We keep reading about how the extreme weather of 2017 is the “new normal” thanks to global warming — even if the weather in question is frigid air. But the data don’t show any trend in extreme weather events in the U.S. for decades. Science, anyone?
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:30am
      - stephieboy
        
        Investors Business Daily , strong right-wing bias and therefore climate change denial and related misinformation,
        
        History
        
        “Founded in 1984 by entrepreneur and stockbroker William O’Neil, Investors Business Daily (IBD) is a conservative American newspaper and website covering the stock market, international business, finance and economics. In March, 2016, IBD became a weekly publication that focuses more on digital operations. The publication continues to use the Investor’s Business Daily name as it continues to publish daily on its website. Although IBD mostly reports on economics and finance they also allow lobbyists and PR reps for right wing think tanks like the Heartland Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute to write pseudo-scientific propaganda.”
        
        https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/
        
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        November 30, 2018 11:41am
    - Tall Man
      
      Idiot. Are all lefties as gullible as you or are you a really slow witted one steffy girl?
      
      steffy is a girl
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      November 30, 2018 1:26pm
Happychappy

Why have we got a Government that won a election on being a honest and transparent and promises with policies like Mental Health, Housing and Immigration when after year long inquiries are hidden and not expected to be released for another five months. Mental Health is a problem in NZ and after all the lies and blame of nines years of neglect by National the Minister is now trying to cover up the results of the Mental Health Inquiry with the help of the media. Labour’s main voting power comes from what they promised and it is time to concentrate on attacking them daily on their failure to achieve their promises.
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November 30, 2018 10:14am
- Tall Man
  
  “National’s 9 years of neglect” is wearing thin.
  
  Mental health has been and will be a very difficult area/problem to solve.
  
  On the one hand many want more health professionals on the front line and in some cases a very different approach, often in conflict with patient “right”.
  
  On the other hand, we have a society that rewards the “creation” of a mental health issue by benefits and employing fringe idiots that have no motivation to “solve” a problem but make coin exploiting it.
  
  Why do we suddenly have vastly more mental health “issues” than previously? Are these being diagnosed more frequently or is there a “feel good” approach being adopted that creates an issue.
  
  I’m no expert but have seen serious mental health issues first hand in close friends and I believe there is a lot of “diagnoses” that are borderline to gain some fiscal advantage.
  
  I have broad shoulders, being a tall man, so can accept that this view will annoy some but really, it is time to look at what is “creating” this issue as well as ways to solve those genuine problems.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:43am
  - KeaRea
    
    I know this will obtain me a deluge of tin foil hat invitations but try flitering fluoride from your water for a month. It has a big impact on mental wellbeing.
    
    Also remove critical theory and cultural marxism from the culture.
    
    Those two things would have huge mental health benefits.
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      How do you filter fluoride by putting tinfoil in your mouth….?
      
      Let me know how it goes…:)
      
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      November 30, 2018 1:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone following the TERF war?

Here’s the latest offering on Trans Exclusionary RiFts in the

Louisa Wall: Trans exclusionary stance dispiriting
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12168621
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November 30, 2018 10:15am
- realityczech
  
  Gotta laugh at these abonimations turning on each other.
  
  They have stuffed it for the average poofter who just wants to dress up and prance around for laughs.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:20am
  - thedavincimode
    
    LBGTTXamputee Deathmatch: louisa wall v rachel stewart v cissy rock ….
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:34am
    - Longknives
      
      Snap Davinci!
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:49am
- Longknives
  
  Celebrity Deathmatch?
  Louisa Wall vs Rachel Stewart?
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:37am
Biscuit

E-a-s-y for Magnus Carlsen over Fabiano Caruana in the 2018 World Chess Championship.

After 12 straight drawn games, the affair was decided this a.m. on a sudden-death rapid game format.

Carlsen won 3-0, playing White in Games 1 and 3, citing the first rapid game, which was decided in a rook and pawn ending, as the breakthrough moment in the match.
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November 30, 2018 10:20am
secondcumming

A Roman walks into a pub, raises two fingers in the air and says, “Five beers please”
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November 30, 2018 10:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  ???
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:27am
  - thedavincimode
    
    All those school years skipping classes while trying to coax pre-schoolers behind the bike sheds appear have caught up with him.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:31am
    - Tall Man
      
      steffy is a girl, just a really stupid one.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      November 30, 2018 1:19pm
  - Lance
    
    Whoosh….
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:32am
    - Longknives
      
      Stephieboy has just made my day!
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:36am
      - Manolo
        
        Mine too! The Muslim’s ignorance is deep, isn’t it?
        
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        November 30, 2018 10:57am
      - Jack5
        
        Would the Stephiestanis get it about the guy going into a Silicon Valley pub, holding up two fingers and saying:”Three beers please”.
        
        This drinker might also put the number of Stephiestanis using the Stephieboy pseudonym at 101, and order for them five beers, free of porcine derivatives.
        
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        November 30, 2018 11:14am
  - SGA
    
    @stephieboy
    Imagine the fingers splayed rather than together.
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:35am
    - lifesgood
      
      He still wouldn’t get it. A lost cause I’m afraid.
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:43am
    - Longknives
      
      Did you read Asterix as a kid Stephieboy?
      Those Romans were crazy!!
      
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      November 30, 2018 10:49am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Did you read Asterix as a kid ~~Stephieboy~~ Paedophilix?
        
        I’m sure that’s what you meant.
        
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        November 30, 2018 11:12am
  - Fletch
    
    Stephie, The Roman numeral 5 is a ‘V’… (had to put him out of his misery)
    
    eg, I, II, III, IV, V….
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:06am
    - Garbageman
      
      Aww Fletch ya big softy That thread was the best laugh i v had all day
      
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      November 30, 2018 2:10pm
- Komata
  
  SC
  
  Exactly!
  
  Thank you.
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:34am
- DigNap15
  
  Very clever!
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:19am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Ha ha!
  (I get it.)
  
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  November 30, 2018 1:58pm
Longknives

What’s up with Winston?
His behaviour has been rather erratic of late (even more so than usual) and he appears to be slurring his speech at times…
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November 30, 2018 10:42am
- Manolo
  
  Is the venal Mr Peters over indulging?
  
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  November 30, 2018 10:56am
  - Longknives
    
    I dunno but check out footage of him in the House this week.
    Something is not right…
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:59am
  - Paulus
    
    No his lifestyle is catching up on him quickly – actually air travel over distances does not help if they are smoke free, but whisky only.
    I hear he is back smoking again after a year or so having stopped.
    He is frail now but still has a big mouth like his earth Mother Ardern.
    Actually I find him disappointing, so late in his career
    -poor old sod.
    
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    November 30, 2018 1:22pm
- Poppa
  
  Just normal for him then
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:00am
- thedavincimode
  
  Winston? You mean Alcoholix?
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:19am
Manolo

He got what he deserved:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-cnn-fires-marc-lamont-hill-following-israel-comments/

CNN severed ties with contributor Marc Lamont Hill on Thursday, following comments the university professor made about Israel and Palestine in a speech at the United Nations.
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November 30, 2018 10:54am
- realityczech
  
  Which just goes to show the power of Jewish influence in the USA. Fired for speaking up for human rights.
  
  No decent person supports what Israel is doing. It is an evil rouge state that should be bought into line.
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:02am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s an evil rouge state?
    
    ❗Realityczech❗ – I wondered if you were saying Israel is full of feminine gays and transexuals, but I looked up the Urban Dictionary, which said of “rouge”:
    
    The way that most idiot’s [sic] spell “Rogue” when typing in World of Warcraft chat.
    
    Apparently these gamers type “rogue” when they want to refer to a person without using the person’s name.
    
    I make plenty of typos, but Rouge Israel is a good one.
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:25am
- Scott
  
  Yes he was calling for the reclaiming of Palestine from the river to the sea. The phrase “from the river to the sea” means that the Palestinians consider that all of that land belongs to them. That means there is no place for the nation of Israel. According to their ideology the nation of Israel should be destroyed.
  
  There are very few commentators who can get away with calling for the destruction of an entire nation and remain as a host on a respectable cable news network.
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:19am
Fletch

Instead of presents this year, I am giving everyone my opinion 🙂 🙂
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November 30, 2018 11:05am
- Brigitte
  
  I find that not giving presents means no one wants your presence. If you then do turn up there often is an increased incidence of incidents.
  
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  November 30, 2018 12:15pm
realityczech

Before the Jewish invasion from Africa, the area that is now Israel was a peaceful and prosperous multi cultural land. Israel is not the home of the Jews. North Africa is. They exterminated the locals just as they do today….

“Scholars doubt that the Canaanites were ever politically united into a single kingdom. In fact, archaeological excavations indicate that the “Canaanites” were actually made up of different ethnic groups. During the Late Bronze Age (1550-1200 B.C.), “Canaan was not made up of a single ‘ethnic’ group but consisted of a population whose diversity may be hinted at by the great variety of burial customs and cultic structures”

Then the Jews came from Africa…

Hebrew Bible

The Canaanites are mentioned often in the Hebrew Bible. The stories say that god promised to give the land of the Canaanites (along with land belonging to several other groups) over to the Israelites after they escaped from Egypt.

– the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.” (Exodus 3:7)

https://www.livescience.com/56016-canaanites.html
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November 30, 2018 11:15am
- Jack5
  
  ? My word, Realityczech….
  
  Israel sends new intelligence agents to NZ for passports, but it’s a breakthrough by Mossad in sending you here to build cover by posting on NZ’s best blog.
  
  Well done. You are very convincing. You will pass for a Muslim extremist in Cairo, Beirut, Baghdad, Tehran, Tripoli …
  
  Well done! Keep it up!
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:32am
  - realityczech
    
    Not a fan of history Jacksie? Didn’t think so, that is why I included an excert from your bible written by the Jews. Even the Jews admit they came from Africa.
    
    I would like to see it once again be a melting pot of cultures. But sadly as I write blacks and other minorities are being rounded up for removal in Israel to maintain race purity. There are increasing calls to elminate the Christians, which I am sympathetic to.
    
    It’s Friday Jacksie, you should don your shtreimel and go have a big feed of German pork knuckle to cheer yourself up.
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:57am
    - Jack5
      
      ? Realityczech, everyone came from Africa originally, didn’t they?
      
      Sorry, if I’m affecting the cover you are building, but Jeez it’s good.
      
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      November 30, 2018 12:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Merry Christmas Jacksie. It’s Jesus birthday you know.
        
        What ever happened to Jesus anyway?
        
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        November 30, 2018 12:40pm
KeaRea

Bill Kristol the grandee of the cuckservatives and cosmopolitans in the US just tweeted that the US should seek ‘regime change’ in China.

Clearly the Chinese have decided they aren’t going to cooperate with the Kristol plan to decamp to China when the US explodes from his intellectual circles’ evil stupid policies and repeat it in China.

The Chinese know very well why the US is in terminal decline and the neoconservatives and Israel affiliates responsible. I don’t expect the Chinese unfortunately will ever allow their poison into their nation.

These idiots really want world war 3. The Birchers were the smartest conservatives with a clear vision and that closet homosexual prancing fool Bill Buckley was a total charlatan. It is simply incredible to see the crumbling of the once impregnable house of the National Review.

Yeah the US needs to effect regime change in China led by Bill Kristol tooting the tiniest horn. He and his movement are the biggest ship of fools. Which is a great book by Tucker Carlson.
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November 30, 2018 11:17am
DigNap15

@ Reality Czech

Diggy, will you say how you “admire” the genocide in Myanmar and say it is just a valid expression of the people, its deserved etc… on your own blog?

I feel the same way about the Jewish genocide actually and I know you are okay with that because you are not a bigot.

Actually killing a few hundred people is not Genocide!
And yes I think it was great that the Myanmar army encouraged them to leave.
It will make Myanmar much more homogenous.
I note none of them want to go back!

Muslims belong in muslim countries where they can be happy and practice their evil religion.
Budhism is one of the most peaceful religions in the world.
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November 30, 2018 11:18am
- MCos
  
  I thought you didn’t give a shit about third world countries like Burma?
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:55am
  - DigNap15
    
    Where did I say that?
    Some third world countries I admire, some I think are basket cases.
    
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    November 30, 2018 1:13pm
- realityczech
  
  Well at least you are honest about it Diggy.
  
  Same arguments Nazi Germany used, I am sure you are aware.
  
  Personally I don’t think you go far enough. I want Christians to return to the Middle East too. You can expect Myanmar to deal with them in a similar way soon.
  
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  November 30, 2018 12:05pm
Tauhei Notts

Business breakfast this morning with a chippie and his workers. Said chippie commenced his apprenticeship 47 years ago and now has a staff of eight.
He was telling me how the leaky building syndrome has been going on now for a number of years, but he predicts the next building industry crisis will be the Asian Builders crisis. It will; take another five, or even as many as eight years, for their shoddy workmanship to come to light, but when it does the sh1t will hit the fan. Their ethical standards are so different to New Zealand’s tradesmen. But to point out such a salient fact is to be racist. It is okay to be a fudge packer but nowadays the worst epithet is to be called a racist.
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November 30, 2018 11:20am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Can confirm. Working on site with Chinese chippie crew of 8. Only 1 speaks English. Fills out all the risk analysis and toolbox forms for them. These months would not even be able to tell “look out!” In a case of emergency, let alone work off plans.
  
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  November 30, 2018 11:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Why are we so short of Kiwi builders?
    
    This is largely the result of the hammering of the apprenticeship system and partly the result of steering thousands of young New Zealanders into tertiary institutions for flaky, employment-useless social science degrees.
    
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    November 30, 2018 11:39am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Also a lot of companies treat apprentices like shit and underpayment what they are worth. You get paid more as a labourer at Allied work force than an apprentice.
      Only the mentally toughest make it through, so cuts out a lot of potentially good wouldbe tradesmen.
      
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      November 30, 2018 11:46am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Wait, so our schools and unis are getting ever softer and more PC, while tradesmen dare yell at an apprentice? Might be quite a shock to them.
        
        While I do think PC and kid gloves have gone too far, what advice to tradesmen get on how to train someone without breaking their spirit?
        
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        November 30, 2018 3:11pm
    - KevOB
      
      We didn’t need them until NZ got so prosperous under National that unexpectedly and very suddenly net immigration went from zero to 45,000 in one year followed by 60,000 and continues. No govt.could have predicted that.
      
      No sensible business could afford to provide for that contingency on spec. The education industry is implicated too in excessive demand. Residency and work appears to be on offer as a bait. NZ First despite their political position seems to agree with this present massive influx. This is the reason for the housing demand.
      
      Housing corp had retired a lot of worn older properties and had passed some onto other social housing providers. The sleeping rough was TV electioneering PR. We always have these people with alcoholism, mental health or just unable to cope. They scratch away as best they can with the help of the social work community. They are helped with accom. as needed. That will never be perfect but that group would not be there if they coped perfectly.
      
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      November 30, 2018 12:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Good post.
        
        Thanks
        
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        November 30, 2018 1:13pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kevin’s post includes “NZ got so prosperous under National”.
        
        CIA World Factbook: NZ in 2017, ranked 48th in world in GDP per capita. Australia 29th.
        
        AND, Kevin continues:
        
        Unexpectedly and very suddenly net immigration went from zero to 45,000 in one year followed by 60,000 and continues. No govt.could have predicted that.
        
        Really? The blow-out in student visas – tertiary institutions, some private and overseas owned – was a key driver. This racket was (and probably still is) basically selling NZ citizenship.
        
        National’s then Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was noticeably incompetent in controlling this.
        
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        November 30, 2018 2:35pm
  - MCos
    
    I don’t know what the situation is in other parts of Asia, but in Thailand building methods are quite different to here.
    Timber framing is almost non existent.
    A lot of concrete frames with brick infill plastered over. A lot of tiled floors.
    
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    November 30, 2018 12:11pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Maybe concrete framing with brick infill works OK in places which don’t have earthquakes.
      Wonder how they do it in Indonesia?
      
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      November 30, 2018 1:06pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Very very badly.
        
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        November 30, 2018 1:14pm
Rodney Randall

Chris Lynch (Newstalk ZB)
has strongly condemned the imposition of SHARIA LAW at Christchurch’s Pioneer Swimming pool.

Who is responsible for the impostion of Sharia Law in Chch?
Imam (Cr Livingstone) Imam (Cr Chen)
Imam (Cr Davidson)
Cultural Subcommitee in submission to edicts of Islam.

Cr Livingston is a former Christian Minister!

Chris just had Minister Woods and Nicky Wagner on and questioned both on their views.

Woods pretended to know nothing and offered no comment.

Wagner inadvertantly compared Muslim women to cripples requiring special ‘treatment’
She also stated she felt sorry for womem who felt it necessary to have to swim in private.

This woman is going to run for Mayor in Chch.
She needs to be put out to pasture.
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November 30, 2018 11:24am
- DigNap15
  
  Which woman?
  It sounded like Nicky Wagner has some balls and much common sense
  
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  November 30, 2018 1:10pm
cmm

WARNING: Do not read this if you have just eaten!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12168853

“A British Council has been criticised as “ridiculous” and “perverse” after it offered a prison inmate access to a son he fathered by raping a teenage girl.

Arshid Hussain, 43, the ringleader of the notorious Rotherham grooming gang, was not named on the boy’s birth certificate and had no parental responsibility for the child, who was born after his 15-year-old mother was raped.

Despite this, Hussain, who is serving 35 years in prison for multiple rape offences against nine victims – some as young as 11 – was contacted last year by officials from Rotherham Council, who said he had a right to see the boy.”

No doubt Hussain will soon be given parole because his son needs a father.

If I was a Pom, I’d be frothing mad!
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November 30, 2018 11:41am
- Morrissey
  
  Never mind about your nationality, you’re plenty mad already, you frothing fruitcake, you.
  
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  November 30, 2018 4:06pm
- MickMac
  
  I think that when members of Rotherham council are found dead in alleyways, no-one on the bench or in UK Police must moan.
  Least of all the social dept or councillors.
  
  When people see no justice for their families they react.
  and rightly so.
  
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  November 30, 2018 4:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

Did mad Morris Dancer’s earlier comment get deleted?
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November 30, 2018 11:52am
- Brigitte
  
  I suspect so. If I see one of his lists I generally report it as it could make the blog legally liable. I suspect enough other people thing and do the same.
  
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  November 30, 2018 12:20pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Me too, but not before I’ve given it an appropriate response.
    
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    November 30, 2018 1:07pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Cap’n, here’s one that needs “an appropriate response” from your good self. I’m all ears, old chap….
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/11/general_debate_29_november_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2369603
      
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      November 30, 2018 5:14pm
- stigie
  
  Which mad comment Captain..?
  
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  November 30, 2018 1:56pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Came back after about 4 hours absence.
    
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    November 30, 2018 4:13pm
- Morrissey
  
  Here ya go, Cap’n….
  
  http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/11/dum-britons-exhibit-4-johnny-mercer-nov.html
  
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  November 30, 2018 4:05pm
  - starboard
    
    Its fisting Friday Morris..off you go
    
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    November 30, 2018 10:04pm
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

From the 12:30 1ZB news bulletin……but

Where the fuck is ‘FONG R RAY’?
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November 30, 2018 12:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  I think its near Toepo
  
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  November 30, 2018 1:07pm
  - rangitoto
    
    And Toepaw
    
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    November 30, 2018 1:14pm
    - Longknives
      
      And Owo Om Aru…
      *Which used to be called Oamaru…
      
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      November 30, 2018 1:15pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I never get lost when I drive to Wackertain! 🙂
        It’s that Fuckertanee place I can never bloody find! 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2018 1:41pm
      - stoptheboats
        
        dont forget Mt Koh Koh in Wellington and of course
        Ugh Tucky
        
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        November 30, 2018 2:02pm
- Morrissey
  
  Fuckwit. You can hardly string a coherent English sentence together, so it’s no surprise you struggle with another language.
  
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  November 30, 2018 5:05pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Be the last time I ever uptik you ya koont!!
    
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    November 30, 2018 6:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Getting soft ya bastard….
      
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      November 30, 2018 6:55pm
stoptheboats

is Stuff trying to be the Peoples Daily or something?

”Stuff accepts the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused by human activity. We welcome robust debate about the appropriate response to climate change, but do not intend to provide a venue for denialism or hoax advocacy. That applies equally to the stories we will publish in Quick! Save the Planet and to our moderation standards for reader comments.
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November 30, 2018 1:15pm
- Longknives
  
  Here at Stuff we are champions of ‘Freedom of Speech’ (*Unless it’s something we disagree with)
  
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  November 30, 2018 1:16pm
- Ross12
  
  These guys wonder why circulation is falling through the floor along with advertising revenue.
  The sooner Fairfax goes broke the better.
  
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  November 30, 2018 1:32pm
  - Longknives
    
    Jacinda would bail them out- They are her No 1 cheerleaders …
    
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    November 30, 2018 1:37pm
- graham
  
  stoptheboats, is that on their website? They really have given up any pretence of neutrality, haven’t they?
  
  We welcome robust debate about the appropriate response to climate change …
  
  Okay up to this point, I guess the “appropriate response” could include “do we accept climate change” or “has it been over-hyped”?
  
  … but do not intend to provide a venue for denialism or hoax advocacy.
  
  Ah, So, no, then.
  
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  November 30, 2018 2:06pm
- realityczech
  
  We need to take a much harder stance on warmists. They are not mistaken, but well meaning, people. They are hateful authoritarians who want to destroy society and enslave us.
  
  You only need to look at the various views of the warmists here on KB as proof. They are filled with contempt for humanity and all its works. And the more hard working and intelligent people attract the most venom.
  
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  November 30, 2018 2:18pm
  - Komata
    
    Griff, anyone seen griff
    
    I’m sure RC, his response to your obervations would have been interesting.
    
    Pity he outstayed his welcome (well, perhaps not actually).
    
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    November 30, 2018 3:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He regularly pops up on Pete George’s Blog.
      
      He wrote a post there saying he was bored with KB and the folks here
      (or something along those lines….. Pete George’s blog is hopeless for doing searches for previous comments)
      
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      November 30, 2018 5:16pm
  - DigNap15
    
    I agree, but how can we do it?
    I often post of Stuff website.
    
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    November 30, 2018 5:07pm
- realityczech
  
  Here is a response to climate change. One they would embrace if their concern was real and there was not another agenda.
  
  The single worse thing you can do to the environment is have a child.
  
  1. No more single parent benefits.
  2. No working for families.
  3. No handouts of any kind for having kids.
  4. No paid parental leave.
  5. The tax rate will be higher for breeders to cover the extra costs.
  6. The state will only provide free education and health for one child.
  
  This will not only save the planet [chuckle] but drastically reduce crime, poverty and a raft of other social ills. It will also make the family unit the center of a healthy society – once again.
  
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  November 30, 2018 2:28pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    The riots in France are instructive. Both Left and Right joining together to protest a Fuel tax increase which hurts the poor and for something they don’t really believe in.
    
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    November 30, 2018 4:09pm
stoptheboats

Twifford the trifid Auckland trams project a disaster-in-waiting – see any lessons to be learned from Sydney here?

”The light rail project’s delivery date has already blown out to 2020 and the cost has ballooned from $500 million to $2.1 billion.
Mr Noonan told the committee he was “sincerely sorry” for the disruption and pain caused by the project.

“I would like to assure the committee, residents and businesses that we regret the delays, disruption, and impacts that the Sydney Light Rail project has caused,” he said.
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November 30, 2018 2:00pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Stopping the Auckland tram disaster before it starts will be the most economical way to get out of the problem.
  
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  November 30, 2018 2:20pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Form a ‘Heritage ‘ Society and complain about it.
    You’ll hold it up for years.
    
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    November 30, 2018 4:11pm
KeaRea

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-people-move-homes-xinjiang-china-religion-a8648561.html

The Chinese have the smartest policy regarding islam in the world. Why the media criticise sound sovereign Chinese policy when they welcome 85 million invaders in the United States who also spy on their neighbours and inform is beyond me.

However everyone is a termite to an ant. We don’t ever want to be in a position where reading zero hedge or the true history of China and Mao ends in the same outcome.

The Chinese vote left in all western countries except NZ because they want to maximise instability and decline. Other groups are more adept at the same but lack numericality.

They’re going to colonise Africa with 100 million Chinese. Read Le Kequiang. He is very ambitious. They almost make you believe they can do it. What helps that view is that they relinquish any pretensions to moral equivocation. They will rule Africa with an iron fist to make the Belgian rule under King Leopold seem like modern Sweden. Many many Africans are going to discover what the subjects of the Japanese Great East Asian Co Prosperity Sphere found out. They very well could eradicate Islam from Africa, and quell that continent. Or, they could find be totally consumed and destroyed by it as Joseph Conrad and so many others have noted – the Heart of Darkness. Brute, unreasoning, capricious, chaos.

Anyway we in our soft climes and soft ways want none of this. Anyone wavering about the United States needs to understand the Chinese draw.no distinctions between the Quran, the Bible, or a Bill of Rights.

Imagine having the capacity to put 1 million of your patriots into the homes of a hostile minority until they assimilate or perish. I wish them luck in Africa.
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November 30, 2018 2:19pm
- realityczech
  
  The Muslims did a great job of bringing civilisation to Africa in past history. Now they are have dropped the ball and the Africans need a new master. The Chinese perfect for the task at hand.
  
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  November 30, 2018 3:07pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Civilisation? As in enslaving humans and exporting them for profit…
    
    I guess you’re just making a really sick ‘joke’.
    
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    November 30, 2018 3:24pm
    - realityczech
      
      The Africans enslaved their own people and sold them to the Arabs for profit. Much later they sold their people to Europeans as slaves before Europeans banned it.
      
      Slaverly still goes on in black Africa today just as it always has. So spray your fake outrage some place else. I don’t care and nor do Africans.
      
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      November 30, 2018 3:32pm
  - mandk
    
    Not quite.
    
    What they brought was essentially Persian culture.
    
    Then the theocrats gained power and destroyed all that was good.
    
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    November 30, 2018 3:35pm
Komata

KeaRea

Out of interest, hve you ever read ‘The Blue Ants’ by Bernard Newman, pub. 1963?

It operated on a similar premise, and although derided as ‘junk’ fiction, may have been / may be precient.

A thought: The acquisition of colonies doesn’t necessarily require the use of guns and indeed, some countries will quite willingly (although unknowingly) put themselves under the ‘colonial power’.

Africa is a good example of this and NZ and the South Pacific countries would seem to be quite intent on following a similar path…

Loans have to be repaid, and ‘the currency’ to be used comes in many forms…
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November 30, 2018 3:15pm
- cmm
  
  An interesting case is Mayote in the Comores Island group.
  
  When Comores declared unilateral independence from France, Mayote chose to stay as a French protectorate.
  
  The UN is trying to force them into becoming part of the Comores.
  
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  November 30, 2018 3:56pm
Padriv Ustoev

Yeah real great job after they put the whole African Orthodox population to death. Swell job.
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November 30, 2018 3:42pm
Longknives

Sonny Bill banishes ‘Ring Girls’ from his latest fight-
(I use the term ‘Fight’ loosely as he is the most rubbish Professional boxer I have ever seen)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/combat-sports/109002517/sonny-bill-williams-kicks-out-ring-girls-at-boxing-promo

Would he prefer them wearing Garbage sacks?
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November 30, 2018 4:06pm
- nasska
  
  As a good follower of The Prophet he would probably have preferred them to be replaced by “bacha bazi” boys.
  
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  November 30, 2018 5:03pm
  - Swifty
    
    Sick pricks…..
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2C3JBdv520
    
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    November 30, 2018 5:46pm
    - nasska
      
      That’s what happens when the dictates of religion run counter to natural human instinct. Islam has its “bacha bazi” boys while women unfortunate enough to be born into catholicism take it up the arse rather than risk being continually pregnant.
      
      Organised religion is the curse of humanity.
      
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      November 30, 2018 5:54pm
      - Swifty
        
        Agreed.
        
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        November 30, 2018 5:58pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Good grief nasska! I can’t possibly believe that a luvley creature such as Lucia could possibly do wot you have just said to avoid her tenth to twentieth child. Did the Lord not say unto the unbelievers…..”He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord”. !
        I’m almost certain that Lucia’s hubby thinks he’s onto a good thing old chap! 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:01pm
      - nasska
        
        He may have had a sneaky vasectomy JB! 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:04pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Nonsense nasska. Lucia and the Pope would never have agreed to it! 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:12pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Gosh Swifty, that looks like a solid career alternative for ilg.
      
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      November 30, 2018 6:16pm
      - Swifty
        
        DVM – I’m a bit torn about this – I criticise his decision and loathe the CoL for what they’ve either done or signalled over the past year – but I know first hand what effect this is having on his young family.
        
        First hand.
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:29pm
MH

Since yesterday no mention of the resignation of one HON List MP Chris Finlayson. One post pro him so did he do a good job as Minister of Aboriginal affairs? And what is his take on Pike River reentry being the spokesperson for Nat on it?
He continued to allow the Crown to be villified by maori. Hardly has the Crown (an impotent euphemism for actual settler rule) under Finlayson argued back on behalf of the early settlers, from their perspective, the confiscation of waste lands by a rebellious few and the difficulty the early governors and local politicians had in accepting those lands that Maori had taken by ruthless force from other Maori as at 1840. In effect we are paying for pre 1840 genocidal tribal warfare. Is DF waiting for his vale speech before setting aside a topic on his career? Or has he been such a non entity and yet held the post as Minister of perpetual wrongs and separate development in one of the most corrupt enterprises. Full and Fina-l -ayson. Pass me a Tui’s with a macron and someone give that man a clip on his bus ticket and wet his wrist. Imagine if all this Tribal money had been spent on universal hospitals,recruiting male teachers, nurses sans colour borders, free dentistry for all, planting pines and rehab in jails. I bet Finlayson never played rugger.
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November 30, 2018 4:07pm
- Longknives
  
  If only half the money Finlayson dished out to appease Maori Activists had been spent on Healthcare…
  
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  November 30, 2018 4:09pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Finlayson didn’t start the Treaty Gravy train but he did do a good job of bringing a lot of it to an end.
  Yes yes, I’m sure there’s scope for lots of but but but.
  Anyway, the man had a rapier wit. He was a joy to listen to when using it.
  I’d love to see a Greatest Cuts compilation.
  
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  November 30, 2018 4:15pm
  - stigie
    
    One guy i believe that can outwit Winston Peters and not be smarmy is Chris Finlayson !~
    
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    November 30, 2018 4:40pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Jeeze stigie…your loyalty is without question but CF being non-smarmy is just a bridge to far! 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2018 5:25pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Finlayson’s valedictory will be one not to be missed.
      
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      November 30, 2018 9:44pm
  - Longknives
    
    “Finlayson didn’t start the Treaty Gravy train but he did do a good job of bringing a lot of it to an end”
    
    I assume you are joking?
    The Treaty ‘Gravy Train’ isn’t ending mate- It is just beginning!
    
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    November 30, 2018 5:27pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Yes. It’s just like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow! Who’d have guessed that the fatarse cunt Lange was a bloody Leprechaun eh? 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2018 5:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        And don’t forget the sweetheart deal Finlayson negotiated for Ngai Tahu when he was the tribe lawyer.
        
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        November 30, 2018 5:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

German SDP, Greens & Labour finally admit they have a Gang problem with Criminals of Middle-Eastern Origin.

https://www.abendblatt.de/politik/article215883807/Fuenf-Punkte-Plan-So-hart-geht-Berlin-gegen-Clans-vor.html

https://www.rt.com/news/445186-berlin-crack-down-arab-clans/
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November 30, 2018 5:31pm
- Johnboy
  
  Fuck we have a gang problem with criminals of very local origin Maggs!
  Should we ship the whole bloody lot of them back to Hawaiki on a traditional dodgy canoe thing? 🙂
  
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  November 30, 2018 5:36pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Don’t be silly, Johnboy.
    
    Kelvin is on to it.
    We just need to provide our Gangsters with Yoga, herbs and sunshine.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/30/the-man-on-a-mission-to-get-new-zealands-maori-out-of-prison
    
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    November 30, 2018 5:48pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Well the way the weathers been down here in Welly Maggs I can identify with the sunshine bit, herbs are still readily available around Wainui if you know the signs and I’ve never looked back since the wife let me join the local Yoga circle! Life is fuckin good! 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2018 5:53pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”I’ve never looked back since the wife let me join the local Yoga circle”…..
        
        Tell us more! Especially how you fit your arse into yoga pants. 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2018 5:59pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I have them personally made and fitted with a particularly large pouch in the crotch area nasska seeing as you asked. 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:05pm
      - stigie
        
        Im sure you have the potential to outdo Ron Jeremy these days JB..?
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m sure your woolly girls enjoy your sun salutations.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZDPIFzX_Us
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:10pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The “herbs” might do the trick…
      
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      November 30, 2018 6:30pm
Jack5

The bullshit spectrum.

The adjective “Coloured” applying to race seems to be a new banned word, at least when applied to black people.

Seems precious to me, but could this be correct from a scientific view?

Under the physics definition of “colour” neither black and nor white are true colours.

This is from Encyclopaedia Brittanica:

“If colour is solely the way physics describes it, the visible spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and don’t count as true, physical colours. Colours like white and pink are not present in the spectrum because they are the result of our eyes’ mixing wavelengths of light.

Details at:
https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-colors

Soccer executive tackled for calling black players Coloured:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/29/gordon-taylor-pfa-black-players-coloured-complaint-denies-chief-executive
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November 30, 2018 5:44pm
- Johnboy
  
  I always thought that black was the absence of all colour and white was a mixture of all the colours of the spectrum?
  I’m happy to be corrected about my 50 year old knowledge of physics! 🙂
  
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  November 30, 2018 5:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Depends if you are talking about additive or subtractive colour mixing.
    
    Are the colours being added made up of light frequencies or pigments/dyes, etc.?
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_mixing
    
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    November 30, 2018 5:55pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Maths was never one of my strong subjects Maggs. You lost me after “additive” ! 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2018 6:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Fortunately I have had a lot of experience explaining things to the intellectually challenged…..
        so here goes:
        1. Think back to when you were the Doyen of the Disco Dance hall…
        Remember those coloured spot lights…
        Additive colour mixing
        http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/addcol.html
        
        2. Think further back
        to your days finger painting at Wainui ~~Kindy~~ College
        when you smeared your paints across your little friends’ artistic efforts
        Subtractive colour mixing
        
        (or a more complicated explanation)
        
        http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/subcol.html
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:37pm
      - nasska
        
        Ouch! 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2018 7:25pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Human eyes see colour by means of three types of cone cells which have their peak sensitivity in Red Green and Blue. There is a fair amount of cross over between the Red and Green cones whereas the Blue sensitive ones discriminate more. The exact sensitivity can vary from person to person. Some people completely lack one or two of the types and are colour blind. There are reportedly a few people who have four different types of cones and can distinguish more colours like some species of birds and reptiles. We also have rod cells which don’t discriminate colour at all but work well in low light conditions.
        
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        November 30, 2018 7:25pm
      - stigie
        
        JB might feel now he’s been to Madam Lashes house of pain..?
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @nasska & stigie
        
        Oh surely you don’t think I was including Johnboy amongst the intellectually challenged?
        
        I was merely attempting to show that big words like additive, subtractive and maths are just a load of jargon for folks like Johnboy and me who grew up doing ~~Arithmetic~~ Sums
        where we did things like ~~commutative operations~~ adding
        and ~~difference operations~~ takeaways
        and ~~multidigit algorithms~~ long division
        and learnt about big hands and little hands on a clock.
        
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        November 30, 2018 9:23pm
  - KevOB
    
    White: an equal mix of red, green, blue light. Like as from your computer screen. These colours are defined by wavelengths.
    
    Black: the absence of reflected light.
    Where the light is reflected the complementary colours are used: cyan (blue-green) absorbs red, magenta (blue-red) absorbs green and yellow (red-green) absorbs blue. This is used in printing where the paper has to reflect back the light which has not been absorbed. A black correction too is commonly used as helper for printing.
    
    An antidote to the Greens would be a Magenta Party.
    
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    November 30, 2018 6:31pm
    - KevOB
      
      For fun look at a patch of yellow on your screen under a magnifier: it will be made up of green and red dots.
      
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      November 30, 2018 6:42pm
- realityczech
  
  Your Jewish mates are not colored though Jacksie. That is because they are not semitic people ( like the Palestinians).
  
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  November 30, 2018 6:13pm
  - Jack5
    
    Good work, ❗Realityczech❗ That was convincing.
    
    The Stephiestani trolls are likely feeding your posts into the Middle Eastern intelligence networks.
    
    You will likely be contacted by El Mukhabrat; Teheran’s Vaja; the Palestinians’ PSS; and others.
    
    Stay cool and keep building your cover. ?
    
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    November 30, 2018 7:00pm
- KevOB
  
  Try this: #AC866B, a reasonable hue for some skins as an alternative to #F7E6C7. Coloured is easier as is white (Euro).
  
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  November 30, 2018 6:22pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Here’s an interesting little clip about attitudes to tanning in Japan.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixFRaB9_C6o
    
    (Farmers work in the fields, and have tanned skins. Do you want to look like a country bumpkin?)
    
    Maybe Japanese uban dwellers are the true “whites”; Westerners are not “white” but are “pink”!
    
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    November 30, 2018 6:33pm
    - realityczech
      
      Odakyu-sen, yep Asians are often very white – unless they get a bit of sun, then they tan up very nicely.
      
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      November 30, 2018 6:38pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        There is no difference between the skin color of a Northeast Asian girl (who will avoid the sun) and a typical Caucasian.
        The Japanese have good adaptive melanin pigmentation and can go very brown under high sunlight exposure. I remember the female lifeguards at the beach at Shonan (Enoshima) back in the last century, and those gals were Polynesian brown.
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:48pm
    - Jack5
      
      I’ve heard a Chinese guy say to an Aussie who was taunting him as being yellow: “You are not white! We are white! Your are pink!” (Swearing deleted)
      
      Some girls in northern China and Manchuria look whiter than Europeans. These young women can have almost porcelain-white skins, but with Mongolian-type facial features.
      
      Maggie could tell us, but I think skin colour stems from getting optimum vitamin D from sunshine – safely.
      
      Is it true, that Western obsession with tanning arose from the days when only the rich of Britain could afford summer holidays on the Mediterranean and winter holidays on the European skifields? Tan became a symbol of status.
      
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      November 30, 2018 6:46pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Status is a relative thing.
        In Europe: “I holiday in Spain. Look at my tan!”
        In Japan: “I avoid the sun. I don’t want to look like a farmer.”
        
        In Europe: “I would love a beachfront property!”
        In Japan: “I want to live in the mountains. So cool in summer, and no risk of tsunami. Fishermen live by the seaside.”
        
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        November 30, 2018 6:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maggie could tell us, but I think skin colour stems from getting optimum vitamin D from sunshine – safely.
        
        No…You are conflating 2 separate concepts here
        
        1. Skin colour results (in the main) from the presence of the pigment Melanin in specialised skin cells.
        Darker coloured folk have more Melanin in their special cells than do lighter coloured folks.
        
        Melanin is protective against damaging solar radiation (UV).
        
        Humans evolved with a dark skin.
        
        There have been 2 main mutation lines that have led to light/fair skins – Northern Europeans and East Asians.
        
        Whilst these mutations leave pale-skinned folks susceptible to skin cancers, they have been advantageous for survival in cold & cloudy
        environments where clothing is worn for much of the year.
        
        2. Vitamin D is an essential chemical needed for various functions in our body (bone growth) . We synthesise Vitamin D when sunlight (UVB) is absorbed by specialised cells in our skin. Melanin acts as a partial barrier to absorption of UVB.
        
        Where there is plentiful sunlight and dark skin is constantly exposed to the sun, there is usually enough Vitamin D produced to keep a dark person healthy. But if a dark-skinned person is confined indoors or completly covered, then vitamin D deficiency can result.
        
        Pale-skinned folks lack a strong Melanin barrier and can synthesise Vitamin D in dark, cloudy environments as long as their skin is occasionally exposed to sunlight.
        
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        November 30, 2018 8:22pm
igm

I did not think “Fairfax Filth” could sink any lower . . . once again I was wrong!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/108755375/maori-are-among-the-most-vulnerable-to-climate-change
Why would decent senior subs allow publication of crap like this — things must be really bad and under union control.
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November 30, 2018 6:51pm
- mandk
  
  “News” websites don’t have sub-editors anymore.
  
  They just employ click-bait operatives who have no journalistic skills.
  
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  November 30, 2018 7:21pm
  - igm
    
    They may not have journo skills but sure can slant a piece of literature to suit the requirements of the left or Little’s union thugs.
    
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    November 30, 2018 7:46pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yep, Maori are vulnerable to climate change, Petone is going to go underwater, and Tom Scott continues with his obsession with ripping the Nats to bits.
  Haven’t bought the DumbPost or the Stuffed Times for about four years and don’t miss either of them.
  
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  November 30, 2018 9:51pm
Manolo

Another talkfest:
https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/high-tension-g20-opens-dominated-trump-quarrels-doc-1b80h13
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