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I've been to Mecca and you have not!

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Salaam Kiwibludgers.
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November 22, 2018 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  Allah cartoons are such fun.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Motoons are better.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:19am
- mandk
  
  Starting the day by insulting others.
  
  Is that a commandment in the Koran?
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:09am
  - SGA
    
    mandk
    
    Starting the day by insulting others.
    
    Well… that would hardly be a first on KB 🙂 🙂
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:06am
    - mandk
      
      No, but the others tend not to post other comments about how their god is gracious and merciful
      🙂
      
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      November 22, 2018 10:56am
      - SGA
        
        oh please, don’t give them ideas 🙂
        
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        November 22, 2018 11:01am
      - simpleton1
        
        SGA too many ideas. 🙂
        
        Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said
        “Verily, there are 99 names for Allah, i.e. hundred excepting one. He who enumerates them would get into Paradise”
        (Muslim hadith)
        
        They died in the hole at 99 🙂
        
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        November 22, 2018 11:11am
      - Tall Man
        
        My turn…..
        
        Tullumore Dew is awesome and after a few I will bless you all, except the moslem twit and the labour interns that seem to invest this site like cockroaches.
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:22pm
- softail 1450
  
  salaam, goat harasser .
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:11am
  - Harkman
    
    So a guy who was an Army cook in NZ’s Afghanistan forces was told by a local figure, “The women are for breeding, the men are for companionship and the camels are for loving.” ?
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:56am
    - labrator
      
      At least they don’t need to worry if their lovers are mad with them, they’ve always got the hump.
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:02am
      - Harkman
        
        ?+2?
        
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        November 22, 2018 9:03am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  You are quite incorrect my brother. The proper greeting is “Yakshe Maash.”
  Unless you are the hated Sunni.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:13am
- igm
  
  Bloody great . . . a leeching Islamist calling those that work and pay taxes to feed them bludgers!
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:21am
- VicParking
  
  “The woman reported that Muhammad “would hit and kick her,” the complaint states. “Victim stated that Muhammad used a closed fist when he struck her. (She) stated Muhammad believed it was ‘play,’ but she stated it made her feel ‘bad.’ (She) also stated that Muhammad would make her kiss him everyday.”
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:33am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Which must have sucked, because he had a horrible skin disease that made him the object of fun – leading to him (vain narcissist that he was) ordering his followers not to draw him.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:15am
- Dave Mann
  
  Having read many of this Mecca guy’s other comments, I’m pretty sure he’s just winding us up. And we’re responding right on cue.
  
  He’s not an actual Muslim. He’s just having a laugh pressing our buttons! 😀
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:43am
  - secondcumming
    
    Sounds a lot like an unemployed Westie with a greasy mullet, filthy fingernails and catches a bus everywhere 🙂
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:49am
  - labrator
    
    It’s like when people take SirCullensSidekick seriously. Best satire here for sure.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:03am
  - SGA
    
    Dave Mann
    
    I’m pretty sure he’s just winding us up. And we’re responding right on cue.
    
    That’s where I would put my money. The number of Pavlovian responses it produces does surprise me though.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:10am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Same! 😀
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:59am
    - softail 1450
      
      SGA,yeah but laughs that come with the fools comments are worth putting up with the witless prick……
      
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      November 22, 2018 10:37am
  - tom hunter
    
    $10 says it’s “Kea”. He was always banging on about the hypocrisy of Kiwiblog with regard to Muslims. He’s retired and bored so has time to hover and be first to GD, like Horne used to be.
    
    But yeah, the responses he gets must please him. 🙄
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:09am
    - Jack5
      
      Tom, ❗Kea❗, could be annoying but could also be entertaining and witty. Kea likely re-appeared as “Realityczech,” but I don’t see a style similarity in Mecca.
      
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      November 22, 2018 10:25am
- MrTips
  
  I think you dropped an Allu Akbar-bell on your head, repeatedly, at the gym this morning.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:17am
- skyblue
  
  Salaam Camel Fucker
  
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  November 22, 2018 10:42am
artemisia

Kiwibuild – delivering 1000 homes by 1 July 2019.

It depends what is meant by ‘delivering’. Wouldn’t most ordinary people assume that 1000 families will be living in their new homes?

Nope. Mr Twyford says 800 of these will be bought off the plans. So private developments underwritten by the government with completion possibly years away. And that assumes all goes well with the development, not a done deal with construction workers in short supply.

Construction companies going to the wall will free up workers for other projects though and the Kiwibuild developers will no doubt be in like a robber’s dog to snap them up. And there are always migrants, many of them, not sure where they will be living mind you.

That sounds like a lot of unhappy Kiwibuy-off-the plans campers. Well maybe not so many. 245 currently pre-qualified but that expires after 6 months and mortgage drawdown is going to be well after that in most cases.

There is already reported to be an oversupply of new builds in two Auckland suburbs – Pinehill and Albany Heights – and a big jump in properties for sale in some locations. Buyers might be well advised to watch and wait to see if developers start to drop their prices to stave off liquidation.
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November 22, 2018 8:05am
- alex Masterley
  
  It also seems the Queenstown Kiwibuild has been quietly ditched with the land being transfered to Housing Corp for social housing!
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:17am
  - Harkman
    
    No offense to my Auckland based friends on here, but if I was advising the opposition I would base the entire 2020 campaign on Kiwibuild being a corrupt, unaffordable scheme by leftwing Auckland politicians trying cement majorities in their seats. In short Kiwibuild is a Auckland vs the rest of NZ scheme. The problem is National would likely keep it in power.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:03am
    - Tall Man
      
      I doubt that very much.
      
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      November 22, 2018 2:25pm
  - artemisia
    
    Interesting, and not surprising. Though there are only 10 people on the social housing register (approved for social housing) for Queenstown / Lakes as at 30 September 2018 from a total of 9536 all up. Not a lot of demand then.
    
    Ms Collins has been asking a lot of written questions about numbers and locations of Kiwibuild homes under contract. Answers? None that I could see, just a boilerplate statement that the info is commercially sensitive.
    
    How that could be the case when they are under contract I do not know.
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:20am
    - gump
      
      There’s a huge and overwhelming demand for affordable housing in the QLDC region.
      
      The reason nobody goes on the state house waiting lists is because there are only nine state houses in the entire district and Housing NZ has been trying for years to get rid of the remaining stock for years (they sell the houses as soon as they are vacated). It’s politically unpalateable for Housing NZ to accommodate state house tenants in a resort town.
      
      Consequently the district has started other schemes to create affordable housing based around private homes on leasehold land owned by a local housing trust. Do a Google search for “Queenstown Lakes Community Housing Trust”.
      
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      November 22, 2018 11:42am
      - artemisia
        
        The trust is a social housing provider, homes assigned from the social housing register and income related rent subsidised by the taxpayer.
        
        The social housing register is for social housing, not just state housing.
        
        What has happened elsewhere is that state housing has been on sold to other social housing providers, same terms and conditions pretty much.
        
        Are the state houses already sold now owned by the trust? Or another social housing provider? Either way, there is little demand and availability doesn’t seem to stop the other nearly 10,000 applicants for cheap housing.
        
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        November 22, 2018 12:02pm
      - gump
        
        The QLCHT doesn’t buy and operate former state houses. It’s a different model to other parts of the country – most of their funding comes from DCs that developers pay when agricultural land is rezoned for residential development.
        
        I don’t know why your pretending that there is no demand for affordable housing in the Queenstown Lakes district. The Community Housing Trust has over 500 families on their waiting list:
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/affordable-housing-scheme-under-way
        
        My family has owned land here since the 1950s. You’re arguing with a local.
        
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        November 22, 2018 1:45pm
      - artemisia
        
        gump
        The QLCHT doesn’t buy and operate former state houses.
        
        The trust is a social housing provider. Do you understand what that means? Seems not.
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:24pm
      - gump
        
        @artemisia
        
        The QLCHT doesn’t buy or operate former state houses. And it’s strange that you think they do.
        
        Why don’t you take a look at their website and stop embarrassing yourself.
        
        http://www.qlcht.org.nz
        
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        November 22, 2018 9:45pm
      - artemisia
        
        Gump – Never said the trust buys old state houses. I said they are a social housing provider. Take a look at their website yourself.
        
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        November 23, 2018 7:27am
- G152
  
  In the twenties and thirties New Zealand Rail used to prefab houses at their Frankton factory and move them to wherever.
  It would take a carpenter and three hammer hands three weeks to complete the house on site.
  So why doesn’t doofus go back to that very efficient service?
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:35am
  - dave_c_
    
    Because, this government want allcomers to have the best of everything at our expense – NOW.
    Alas, there is no ‘housing ladder’ for these guys – it’s straight to the top. Huh ! Prefab’s don’t fit that ambition.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:53am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Dead right. When my then-wife and I build in 1981-82, a 975sqft Craigwin home was all we could afford. Certainly didn’t have an en suite, walk-in ‘robe and butler’s pantry. As for internal access, hell, we didn’t even get a garage for three years, until we had saved enough, because every cent we had went into the house.
      
      These days, young couples (like Ardern and Twyford’s poster children doctor and marketing manager) expect a “starter” home to be at least four brms, with all the add-ons above, and more. Whatever happened to making do?
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:20am
      - sooty
        
        And the new car each, plus 54″ tv.
        
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        November 22, 2018 9:37am
      - dime
        
        I’m glad I didn’t start out in the Dime Estate.
        
        I look back fondly at my years toiling away in an old house, a 2 bedroom unit. renovating them. making some money on the way up etc
        
        Who needs the glamour house at 25? if you NEED one, youre probably an asshole
        
        Like Jacinda “i can’t afford to buy my first home in westmere” ardern
        
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        November 22, 2018 9:39am
      - geoff3012
        
        And a lap pool….and a heli-pad
        
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        November 22, 2018 10:23am
      - alex Masterley
        
        Arderns first house, as opposed to a unit, was in Point Chev south.
        She couldn’t afford the Herne Bay properties she wanted to buy.
        
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        November 22, 2018 10:25am
      - madamezucchininz
        
        …..in the 1980’s we got a mortgage with the then Housing Corp….for low income earners…..it was a leg up and a case of buying a cheap house….mine was 1860’s workman’s cottage…..no insulation…..no ensuite….two bedrooms….and no garage….but we were so grateful….still am as it was a great little starter….we worked hard….did it up….made some capital gain and went up the property ladder….this is how it should be for first home buyers with a limited income…..not the top of the line ensuite homes they expect now….
        
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        November 22, 2018 11:01am
      - Longknives
        
        Yep- Remember Ardern’s sympathy for the self righteous young couple who were crying that they couldn’t afford a Ponsonby Villa? (As their first fucking home!)
        
        ‘Every New Zealander should be able to buy the home they want’ blah blah
        
        She lives in fucking Disneyland.
        
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        November 22, 2018 12:08pm
      - pdm
        
        We went without a car for about a year so we could buy our first house in 1970.
        
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        November 22, 2018 12:26pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        @ madamezucchininz – we were the same. We just qualified for a Housing Corp first mortgage (at 18% interest), but we were $12k short of what we needed to build. The builder put us in touch with an insurance company that loaned us what we needed at 21%, but we also had to take out double the value of the mortgage in life insurance.
        
        It was tough for the first few years, but gradually got better, and we were able to clear the second mortgage before we started a family. That’s what most of our friends were doing too, and it was just how you had to do it to get your foot on the property ladder. Imagine the young couples complaining about the cost of housing now having to pay more than 5% on their single mortgage.
        
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        November 22, 2018 1:31pm
  - MickMac
    
    Very Good Point
    A factory made kites would set the bar for insulation and amenities.
    Imagine 1000 a year for 10 yrs.
    That would make a dent in Housing needs for Kiwi Citizens Only.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:53am
  - Jules99
    
    There are businesses around today who build pre-fabs – they look quite nice. Architect designed and customisable.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:57am
  - peterwn
    
    They came in four varieties and had no weathertightness issues. The Tarikaka Street ones were sought after when they came on the market
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:07am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Come late 2020 I predict less than 2000 genuine Kiwi Build houses ( that’s the ones that are extra to those that were going to be built anyway).
  
  All the Nats have got o do is go back and find clips of Twitford spouting his bullshit and play them as their party adverts or do balloon poster with the lies spewing out of Twitfords mouth.
  
  At least some of those who wanted a house and their parents and grand parents will tumble top the fact they were lied to.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:27am
Inandout

Our princess is spending some money in NZ. It is a Island/Maori project, don’t you know.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national
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November 22, 2018 8:06am
Than

From the NZ Herald article on the pride parade;

[Jacinda Ardern] would not, however, be drawn into the debate.

Gee, our substanceless non-leader of a Prime Minister refuses to take a position on an issue. Quelle surprise.
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November 22, 2018 8:06am
- Inandout
  
  Yeah, I don’t think Jethro cruises for pride, more like Ajax.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  So she cannot now show off her Tattoo !
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:15am
- cmm
  
  The best was her word-tango with Winnie at APEC over the China vs USA influence argie-bargie.
  
  I paraphrase, but here’s the gist:
  
  PriNZess: We will not be drawn into this, we are leaving it for the nations to work out on their own.
  
  Sounds fair enough, treat them like grown ups. Not our problem.
  
  Winnie: NZ is taking a leadership role in this. The Pacific Nations depend on our leadership.
  
  Also, fair enough, but 100% out out of step with PriNZess.
  
  Of course when it comes to countries like Australia that do not need our “leadership”, she will insert her beak.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:16am
  - labrator
    
    I thought the “I was always seated next to Mrs Pence and anyone else who didn’t know that must have got their wires crossed” was a pretty mean piece of footwork. Teflon John has got nothing on Dancing Cindy’s word-work.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:05am
    - Paulus
      
      No wonder Jasper’s resigned from Ardern’s Office – he must have told her she was going to sit next to Pence.
      Looks like he got the DCM for it along with others – made her look a bigger fool than she actually is !
      
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      November 22, 2018 1:41pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Yeah nah, she is a much bigger fool than she looks.
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:30pm
- fernglas
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:17am
- alex Masterley
  
  I bet that if offered the opportunity she will mince along Ponsonby road with the rest of the look at meeee’s
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:40am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …at the rate things are going, she might be the only person with Chubby Cheeks not to withdraw officially.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:02am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Helen Clark wouldn’t have been silent. She’d have backed the Police.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:33am
  - RF
    
    Arderns father who was once a cop must be spewing about his bimbo daughter’s gutless behaviour.
    
    Poor bugger.
    
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    November 22, 2018 11:42am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Don’t worry Lizzie the Marvellous has it covered.
  Says non-rainbow folk should “stay in their lane”
  ie. shut up and pay the bill.
  
  News for Miss Marvellous:
  You’re a singer.
  Stay in your lane.
  
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  November 22, 2018 10:32am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Marvell of the Howard Morrison whanau ?
    Rich lot too.
    
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    November 22, 2018 1:44pm
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

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You Xristians are nuts:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6413235/American-tourist-27-killed-protected-tribesmen-remote-island.html
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November 22, 2018 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  And mohammed had no nuts.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:10am
  - softail 1450
    
    Inandout,mohammed died of infectious syphilis ,very fitting for a pedophilic goat shagger.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:15am
    - Inandout
      
      softtail, and how many kids did he infect as well?
      
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      November 22, 2018 8:19am
      - igm
        
        Maybe that is why these degenerates are all “Fucked in the Heads”!
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:23am
      - stephieboy
        
        igm, you see why that for you can run a business or any entity is truly staggering!
        
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        November 22, 2018 1:52pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not enough. If he hadn’t spent so much time fucking prepubescent children he could have wiped out the whole moslem movement with his disease.
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:32pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Unlikely, as Syphilis is probably from the Americas.
      
      According to the hadith Muhammad suffered from a long-lasting disease, which he treated by means of bleeding. He walked as somebody who comes down from a hill. His skin-colour was peculiar, not white, not too tanned, somewhat rosy. His eyebrows were conspicuous. He was sweating heavily, especially when he was receiving revelations. He heard the noise of bells and voices. He had a great appetite and suffered from hunger. Notwithstanding his sexual relations with ten young women, he remained quasi-sterile: one only child after the age of forty years. During his last illness he suffered from intense headaches, losses of consciousness, back- and intestinal pains. He died at the age of 62 years. Psychologically he was known as trustworthy, somewhat retiring and prude. Initially, about at the age of forty years, he was depressed, retiring, and showed a tendency to suicide. He spoke slowly. Most typical were his great hands, dough feeling palms, great feet, a long fleshy nose, well developed ears and a peculiar voice.
      
      These indications suggest that he suffered from acromegaly, like Jaws (Richard Kiel), Andre the Giant and Tony Robbins
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:28am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In this instance, “naiive and ignorant” would be better words to describe this unfortunate young idealist.
  Visiting an isolated population risks exposing them to diseases for which they might not have immunity. This young, excessively cheery fellow broke local Indian law in visiting the island.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:15am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    I’m pretty sure he won’t do it again.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:19am
    - sooty
      
      Darwin strikes again!
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:41am
- Scott
  
  Good on him for wanting to share the gospel with these tribes people.
  
  The situation reminds me of the first missionary to South Korea. He gets off the boat and walks from the surf onto the beach where a man with a sword cuts off his head.
  
  The missionary was carrying a Bible which was grabbed by his slayer. The pages of the Bible were used by the man to paper his walls. The man began reading what was written and because of reading the Bible he himself became a Christian. And that’s how Christianity began in Korea.
  
  Who knows, this modern day missionary also may have not died in vain?
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:38am
  - SGA
    
    He was lucky the slayer could read whatever language the Bible was written in. 😉
    
    Odd that your story doesn’t appear in this article though.
    https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/2018/february/korean-christianity.html
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:19am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    People who believe that people dying is not bad (due to promised afterlife) have fundamentally untrustworthy judgement – they don’t place sensible value on their or other’s human life in their decisions. Which is why religious types should be kept away from all forms of governance. A lesson the West has taken to heart.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:33am
- labrator
  
  Since they’re all cannibals I guess we can conclude that it must have been Chau time!
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:07am
igm

Once again a failure that goes back to a stinking Labour Government.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=12163352
Many warned against the abolition of dog dosing for measles and hydatids.
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November 22, 2018 8:09am
- hullkiwi
  
  Igm, yes it is. It is also a problem in rural areas where we suffer the urban idiots who will insist on bringing their pets to the country. Our vet told m of a local farmer who had the sheep he had sent to the works reject for export because of a clown who had been letting his dog wander. Let us say the dog was caught & it cannot wander any more & yes, it was the guilty animal).
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:25am
  - igm
    
    Townies have no idea, many of them feeding raw mutton/offal to pets, being too lazy or irresponsible to cook or freeze it.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:30am
    - big bruv
      
      “Townies have no idea, many of them feeding raw mutton/offal to pets, being too lazy or irresponsible to cook or freeze it.”
      
      Bullshit. I dont know of a single ‘townie’ who feeds their dog raw mutton (who the fuck eats mutton these days anyway?) or offal. This will be down to lazy arse farmers.
      
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      November 22, 2018 8:39am
      - hullkiwi
        
        You are a case in point, that is an ignorant townie (just like Stephie & CoL supporters in general). The Sheep measles cycle is completed when the dog eats raw meat.
        
        Unless the farmer wants to commit economic suicide, they don’t feed their dogs raw meat and they treat their dogs for worms.
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:51am
  - big bruv
    
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    So you have outed yourself as a rural bludger. Tell me Comrade, when it next rains more than you would like, or does not rain enough you just know you will be there with your hand out taking money from hard working tax payers.
    Farmers, most of you are nothing but bludgers.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:56am
    - igm
      
      Next time you actually get out of bed after 9.00 a.m. think of poor farmers who have been up milking since 3.30 a.m. to earn a living, supporting taxes that pay for your benefits and subsidies for unwanted brats, state house, etc.
      Never criticise those that do the paying . . . you are aligning yourself with COL.
      
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      November 22, 2018 10:14am
- stephieboy
  
  Igm , National in their nine years failed to do something about!
  
  Why?
  
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  November 22, 2018 1:57pm
hullkiwi

Clarke is at it again. Yesterday, in his ham fisted way, he made announcement that the capital spend programme will go ahead at Middlemore.

This morning we learn that the business cases are not ready yet for these announcements. So, is this an attempt at squirrel news diversion? Tell people what a good job of spending they are doing in health, & divert people’s attention from the wasted money in education or the Czech immigration problem?
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November 22, 2018 8:10am
- igm
  
  Bloody media are being stifled or else compliant to germ Little as nothing that may affect this shower of shit COL is being relayed to the public.
  Hopefully Fairfax will sell off their holdings in TradeMe then exit media in NZ.
  This would make it easier for “Big Rupe” to get a hold on our media and give us a fair and balanced coverage.
  We are getting shit currently, and it would be the end of COL, were they held to account as National are subject to.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:18am
- G152
  
  And looking at the supposed internal wall damage on the fake news I wonder how long they’ve been known about and on the repair list that the hospital couldn’t fund because the CEO needed a vanity project completed…
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:40am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right G152 like the funding provided before for these jobs well before reached the sorry state they have reached. It was wasted elsewhere as they forgot that mold is a living thing that continues to grow.
    
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    November 22, 2018 2:49pm
- calendar girl
  
  “…..made announcement that the capital spend programme will go ahead at Middlemore.”
  
  A diversion from all the major strikes (that we were assured would not be occurring on Ardern’s watch) looming larger every day? Including nurses?
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:41am
  - Piniwi
    
    But calendar girl it is the midwives turn as they think they are worth more than nurses while also not being involved in the nurses wage negotiations.
    
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    November 22, 2018 2:51pm
- VicParking
  
  You will notice that Project after Poject, Policy after policy that the COL announce will not take effect until 2020. This is so they can all be reannounced just before the election.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:43am
- Paulus
  
  I though many months ago that the rebuilding etc has been part of the DHB’s 10 year financial plans from some years ago.
  This is a sales con only as where is the money ?
  
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  November 22, 2018 1:47pm
Im Right

I’m curious….On the TV3 morning show they have ‘guest’ presenters now that the serial ‘woe is me’ renter Gillies is off on leave, and they are always a woman, when Mark goes on leave it’s a mixture of male/female….are TV3 scared of the feminazi’s complaining if it’s an all male panel? (albeit short term) Personally I’d be happy if Gillies never came back, she is about as welcome to see as a wet weekend!
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November 22, 2018 8:11am
- sooty
  
  Gillies! Who’s this Gillies?
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:18am
  - oldgolfer
    
    You don’t want to know.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:20am
  - Inandout
    
    Ruby Lips is Gillies.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:20am
  - Harkman
    
    Gillies, mate it’s sillies.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:05am
    - sooty
      
      Never seen her! Not likely too either.
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:43am
flipper

So, “Kiwibuild” under-costed by $18 billion?
Well now, how is that going to sit with the left wing “economist” (tell me what you want and I will give you that) Equab.
So how big is that hole????
Reached $100 billion yet? Must be close. Or is it like tubby smart arse Jones’ billion tree target? Getting bigger week by week!
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November 22, 2018 8:13am
- VicParking
  
  Did the counter need to go up 400,000 when the seedlings were mulched?
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:46am
Sofia

When the book Hit and Run was released, the controversy seemed mainly about the location of a village, which Jon Stephenson had correct in an earlier documentary, but appeared wrong in the book.

However a question not raised, and so not resolved, but seemingly much more important was – Who were the civilians actually killed, since the book differs from the official record?

A three-year-old girl. A father and son. Two poor farmers. A teacher visiting home.
These are the six Afghan civilians that were killed in a botched 2010 NZ-led SAS raid, according to a new book by journalists Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87961070/hit-and-run-the-six-people-a-new-book-alleges-a-nz-sas-raid-killed
So, 5 males and one three-year-old girl – Hager and Stephenson

Some days after the operation, the [then] Provincial Governor of Baghlan Province, Governor Mojid, received a delegation of villagers who claimed that “a very big operation had occurred with helicopters … that some landed and the operation was firing at civilians and left. The locals claimed that six civilians were killed, 4 adult males, 1 adult female and one child aged six. Additionally there were two adult females being treated in a local hospital for wounds. – LtGen Tim Keating, Press Conference on Operation Burnham March 27, 2017
http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/downloads/pdf/public-docs/background-to-operation-burnham.pdf

The delegation of villagers the Provincial Governor was just days after the incident, the book was years later. So do time or culture explain the discrepancy? Or something else?

Is discussion of the whole matter not pointless, without establishing first the identity of the six civilians killed?
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November 22, 2018 8:14am
- I've been to Mecca and you have not!
  
  Hahaha. Destroy the West from within. Kaffir dogs!
  
  May Allah guide Nicky Hagerabad and Jon bin Stephen.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:21am
  - lofty
    
    Ya funny bugger…;-)
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  No body count in Dresden, it happened, the Nazi invasion of Russia happened. Hager should crawl back into his Wellington hole. This is war mate.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:23am
  - Morrissey
    
    No doubt you’re going to sign up, you hero, you.
    
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    November 22, 2018 5:14pm
- cmm
  
  War.
  
  Shit Happens.
  
  Move On.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:33am
- Than
  
  Any claim made by Nicky Hager should be treated with extreme skepticism. Basically start from the assumption he’s lying, and you’re on solid ground.
  
  Hager’s modus operandi is to do the bare minimum of “research” (typically involving exactly the sort of immoral or illegal invasions of privacy that he would scream blue-murder about if it happened to him). This grabs him one or two verifiable facts. Then he spins his yarn, relying on these verified facts to lend credence to a fable, the vast majority of which will be just the delusions of his own radical-left imagination.
  
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  November 22, 2018 10:13am
  - Jazzby
    
    I’ve a strong suspicion that, at school, Hager was the snivelling class sneak: he fits the profile.
    
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    November 22, 2018 1:53pm
    - Morrissey
      
      You know nothing, Jizzbo.
      
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      November 22, 2018 4:39pm
      - sooty
        
        And you do?
        
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        November 22, 2018 5:01pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Well, yes, I do. For one thing, I’ve actually read Hager’s books. Unlike Jizz or you.
        
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        November 22, 2018 5:13pm
secondcumming

*Elementary, my dear Watson* ?

The NZ Herald reports….

*Madeleine McCann* could still be alive and trapped in an underground dungeon, a retired detective who investigated her disappearence has claimed. David Edgar believed Maddie could resurface ‘at any time’ and likely has ‘no idea’ about her true identity, having been abducted by a child sex gang while holidaying in Portugal.

This comes as her parents were said to be ‘greatly encouraged’ that Scotland Yard could finally be ‘closing in on Maddie’s kidnappers’ after nearly twelve years…..’

[3 photos of Kate & Gerry McCann searching for their missing daughter]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsWnfhLWsAA2aeL.jpg
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November 22, 2018 8:18am
- cmm
  
  “could” is such a bullshit world.
  
  She could be living in a bunker. She could be living a suburban life as an adopted child. She could be selling burgers at McDonalds.
  
  I hope they do catch these people and chop their balls off, but the publicity handling is piss poor.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:24am
- Inandout
  
  This case is so full of twists and turns, and there are so many YouTube videos, I find the doctor parents are not wholly blameless.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:27am
cmm

Does anyone know how much a hit of P costs? ie. one dose to get you stoned.
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November 22, 2018 8:20am
- I've been to Mecca and you have not!
  
  In the solo-mumburbs of South Auckland the price is a night of sex and 18 years of welfare at the taxpayer and ratepayer – for the resulting sproglet.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:23am
- VicParking
  
  Depends on how modern your mower is and how thick you grass clipping are. I suggest you put the question in writting to Cindy to pass on to her fertiliser.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:51am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  This may be out of date but I think one gram retails for around $500. Depending on how it’s cooked, either crystals or white powder can be produced. If you buy crystals it is probably the real thing but if you buy powder it could be mixed with all kinds of stuff. The amount to get high varies by individual and how long they’ve been using, Maybe a quarter of a gram might be average but I’m not really sure.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:09am
Fletch

On the “totally unrelated but interesting” front, the journalist that was killed, Khashoggi, his name always seemed kind of familiar. I now remembered there is a track on an album I have by Queen called, ‘Khashoggi’s Ship’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X4cYEdvV_0
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November 22, 2018 8:23am
- CHFR1
  
  He is related I believe.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:36am
  - igm
    
    Maybe this will enlighten you:
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/11/jamal-khashoggi-and-osama-bin-laden-were-mates/
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:57am
- Longknives
  
  Khashoggi’s Ship is from The Miracle – Queen’s patchy 1989 effort that had massive hits I Want it All and The Invisible Man but also quite a lot of filler..
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:18am
- Komata
  
  FWIW:
  
  Some of the older regulars on this site might recall a certain Adnan Kashoggi and the Lockheed aircraft ‘episode/s’ of the 1960’s.
  
  Adnan K was close the the Saudi royals, the deceased journalist being Adnan’s nephew, a small detail which (both oddly and noticeably), none of the MSM seem to noticed.
  
  As I said, FWIW.
  
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  November 22, 2018 2:37pm
secondcumming

Came across this while browsing Ebay…….thought it would make the ideal Christmas gift for ‘stephieboy’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnzuWG6WkAED3M6.jpg
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November 22, 2018 8:26am
- RalphT
  
  Who could object? It’s just a bit of ‘armless fun.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:36am
Fletch

(Semi) good news for Australians re: Amazon. They can now shop from the U.S Amazon store again, but this doesn’t apply to third party sellers, or to other Amazon stores, such as Amazon UK. This is a bummer still because most Aussies who order blu-rays from Amazon do the bulk of their shopping from the UK store because of region coding.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/amazon-international-to-resume-shipping-to-australia-after-controversial-online-gst-ban/news-story/6df54143018fd8cfd0e8d8f3bea71c97
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November 22, 2018 8:32am
Inandout

Midwives now join strike queue. I have lost count of the number of walkouts.
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November 22, 2018 8:33am
- G152
  
  Remember the bad old days when it was a National led government and there were few strikes over the 8 years ?????
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:44am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Just imagine if the silly bint had said there would be strikes on her watch.
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:45am
  - VicParking
    
    Or strikes on her tuatara and below
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:55am
    - Woz
      
      If that is true (that she has a tuatara tattoo on her backside) then she’s stupider and shallower than I already thought possible.
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:09pm
- rockape
  
  Maybe we need a strike counter to go with the tree and Kiwibuild one.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:01am
  - freethinker
    
    A lie o meter would be a useful addition.
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:29am
- 3-coil
  
  Midwives go on strike today promising “maximum disruption”.
  
  Meanwhile senior medical specialists are aghast at unqualified midwives’ enthusiasm for undertaking tongue tie surgery on newborn babies.
  
  Will any extra money they win bring the know-all midwives back down to earth, and curb their enthusiasm and over-confidence regarding this practice? They are not qualified surgeons or anaesthetists, and midwives’ brutal and barbaric mutilation of defenceless newborn babies just paints them as self-centred, arrogant and close minded. Their reactionary dismissal of expert medical advice in this matter smacks more of controlling the “politics” of childbirth, rather than concern for the welfare of the newborn babies.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:01am
  - hullkiwi
    
    3-coil, this issue reflects 2 things (neither of which are being properly discussed by the media in their coverage of the isdue):
    
    1. How did NZ get into a situation where a group of people not trained in medicine other than delivering babies, come to be able to diagnose conditions & then perform surgical procedures on recently born babies without any form of professional control; and
    2. The use of this procedure seems to have arisen because not all babies successfully breast feed. The whole breast feeding issue is an over done campaign born out of global politics rather than good medical practices of what is right for each mother & child.
    
    The global politics to which I refer, was firstly the hatred of multi-nationals like Nestles providing milk powder as a milk substitute in developing African countries. Without it, mothers and new born infants would have died. The second campaign has been the feminists and their carry on about women & their bodies. The two campaigns came together as a health programme “Breast is Best”. On a personal note, I know of 5 babies who would have starved if this mantra had been followed. In all instances the mothers couldn’t produce milk & so bottle feeding was the only way. Not one of the babies were “tongue tied” & in one case the mother ended up with cracked, sore and bleeding breasts – symptoms of some of the mothers discussed in the media this week. I know this, because the cases referred to involved my wife/son, my mother-in-law and her sister and her children.
    
    IMO, the problem is the “Breast is Best” culture, & a lack of dealing with the health needs of each mother and their infant child. Get this right and problems that were once rare will also go away.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:55am
- Paulus
  
  Midwives are quite clear that they are vastly superior to Nurses although their knowledge of medicine is inferior to a Nurse.
  Midwives are not nurses any more as they used to be. Just Blackmailers.
  Remember when Gilliland made sure that the Clark Government took Midwifery away from Doctors.
  Which is why they want over $100,000 basic.
  Nurses are actually better trained in Medicine as many more have from a starting point a good University degree.
  
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  November 22, 2018 1:55pm
mark15

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/11/21/australia-migration-risk-border-success/
Go Straya.
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November 22, 2018 8:38am
Happychappy

The Show Pony is baffled by her own Ministers incompetence When it comes taxes that she and her Government rushed through Parliament, two months ago it was this law that takes away letting fees and puts more money in renters pockets was a game changer for the PM and the Coalition now all the Show Pony can say is she hopes rents won’t rise after the company’s that were controlling letting fees told the owners they would now charge them for the fee. It is unbelievable that a PM running our great Country can’t understand that the owner of a business is and should not be the one taking a loss to house people in their properties it is the tenant that has to absorb the loss to cover the cost for them to live in the dwelling. If the inept Minister rushed a stupid law through Parliament and held discussions with Landlords and come to a reasonable solution on letting fees instead of try to be a dictator this could have seen a better outcome that maybe would have suited both sides.
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November 22, 2018 8:54am
- The Heat
  
  the Show Pony can say is she hopes rents won’t rise
  
  It’s literally al about appearances.
  
  When your clueless followers don’t understand pricing any more than your average fish n’ chip temp, this is what you get.
  
  The reality is that long-term tenants will likely pay more as the “letting fee” is rolled into first year rents and will likely endure into following years.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:00am
  - Prince
    
    That’s insulting to F&C shop temps.
    They understand that cost increases to any inputs, be they equipment, power, wages, raw materials, rents etc, must result in an increase in price to the outputs.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:42am
  - KevOB
    
    If the law is structured so fees cannot be passed on then it will be included in rent.
    To distinguish one rental element from another would reveal the fees so the increased rent will continue for the duration of the tenancy.
    Every chippie knows there is only one grade of potatoes.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:43am
    - Paulus
      
      Understand some Landlords now show Rates separately within the rental agreement.
      And that any increase will automatically passed on.
      
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      November 22, 2018 1:58pm
      - KevOB
        
        Rates have not been singled out as not for payment by tenants.
        
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        November 22, 2018 6:27pm
krazykiwi

Australia will not be signing up to the UN migration pact, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has said, explaining he was was not willing to risk the government’s successes in fighting people trafficking.

“The compact would risk encouraging illegal entry and reverse Australia’s hard-won successes in combating the people smuggling trade,” he said in a joint statement with Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton and Foreign Minister Marise Payne.

“We believe that the compact is inconsistent with our well-established policies and not in Australia’s interests,” asserted the ministers, adding that the document “fails to adequately distinguish between people who enter Australia illegally and those who come to Australia the right way, particularly with respect to the provision of welfare and other benefits”.

While Ardern is sacrificing our border sovereignty in the hope of securing a UN role, Morrison is doing the right thing.

Ardern is a disgrace.
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November 22, 2018 8:55am
- Harkman
  
  So last night Cindy was promising money for a South Auckland hospital. Now I spent a lot of time visiting Christchurch hospital in recent years (Dad had cancer). The problem this country has is every x years they build a 6 story 50m wide extension to the hospital. These morons, and going by the plaques at the front are 75-80% Labour should have just built a 80m wide 25 story building 15-30, 40 years ago. You folks in the rest of the country would be staggered at how much they are wasting in Chch currently. If Clark had done that 14 years ago when things were cheaper instead of wasting money on railways, wff and students, this country would be so much richer.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:19am
- Longknives
  
  Incredible that the Media (And the Opposition for that matter) are barely mentioning the UN Migration Pact.
  New Zealanders should be marching on the streets in opposition to this ‘Open Borders’ lunacy..
  There will be an astonishing wave of crime (including rapes and murders) once these Muslims start flooding in at an uncontrollable rate..Not to mention the strain on our Economy
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:25am
  - dave_c_
    
    It is no coincidence that the adoption of ‘Open borders’ seems to be a worldwide phenomenom.
    All orchestrated by the ‘New World Order’ clan, instantiated by vassals like the UN. (EU example is classic)
    Wannabies like donkey mouth Ardern and any aspiring young fascist oriented groups are slavering at the mouth to be seen following the leader.
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:08am
- krazykiwi
  
  Actually, on reflection I’d like to revise my comment above.
  
  Relinquishing border sovereignty as part of ingratiating herself with the UN doesn’t make Ardern a disgrace.
  
  Appointed without a popular mandate, it makes her treasonous.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:27am
  - cmm
    
    The first role of a government is to protect its people and its sovereignty.
    
    Everything else is secondary.
    
    I came to NZ 26 years ago. I had to make is a good deal for NZ by bringing in skills and be reasonably compatible.
    
    Now, just bring in a few kg of drugs or whatever.
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:02am
    - backster
      
      It seems the Labour Maori Caucus who are always trying to claim sovereignty are quite happy to surrender it under the leadership of the Labour Greens NZFirst Axis.
      
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      November 22, 2018 10:52am
- simpleton1
  
  It would seem that Scott Morrison has troubled the observant, the devout, the pious muslim.
  Are there “moderates” or is islam just islam.
  
  Australian Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohamed and a group of other senior Muslim figures rejected the invitation in an open letter to Morrison on Wednesday.
  
  The men said they were “deeply concerned and disappointed” with comments by Morrison and other ministers “which infer that the community is collectively culpable for the criminal actions of individuals and should be doing more to prevent such acts of violence”.
  
  “These statements have achieved nothing to address underlying issues, but rather, have alienated large segments of the Muslim community,” they said in the letter, which was published by Australian media.
  
  The letter prompted a tweetstorm from Morrison, who accused those behind the boycott of “continuing down a path of denial” and making their communities “less safe and more vulnerable”.
  
  “We all have responsibilities to make Australia safe, and that means making sure Muslim communities do not become infiltrated with this dangerous ideology,” he tweeted. https://www.dawn.com/news/1446967/australia-pm-muslim-leaders-spar-over-his-terror-comments
  
  Scott Morrison seems to believe in moderate islam.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:31am
  - stephieboy
    
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    “Scott Morrison seems to believe in moderate Islam.”
    
    Correct and he is right?
    
    How many million recruits for Daesh/ISIS?
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:15am
    - simpleton1
      
      Without “moderates” pious, observant, devout, the extremists would not get away with it and without “extremists” the moderates would not be supremacist, “the protected species” .
      
      The “moderates” being the ones wanting NO discussion by anyone, no debate, about Mohammad, about his guidance and sayings in the koran, supported by his actions, deeds and sayings in the hadith, and sunnah.
      
      As that may trouble just some of the followers of the “perfect man” Mohammad, who will feel pressured that they have to do something, like what Mohammad often did.
      The ones who strike are not really extremists, just followers feeling they are called out to follow all of Mohammad’s ways, as per koran, knowing of abrogating verses, hadith, and sunnah.
      
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      November 22, 2018 10:47am
    - simpleton1
      
      Many volunteers had passports cancelled so they could not easily travel to join ISIS.
      
      It’s estimated that about 240 Australians have had their passports cancelled due to links to terrorism, or because authorities believe they intend to fight in Syria or Iraq. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/the-case-for-against-cancelling-terror-suspects-passports-20181121-p50hav.html
      
      Others contribute raising and passing on funds.
      
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      November 22, 2018 11:01am
- KevOB
  
  The COL have no mandate to sign NZ up to this UN takeover of our sovereignty.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:44am
  - dave_c_
    
    Unfortunately a local mandate is not required – the only mandate that counts to these meglomaniacs being followed nowadays is the UN based ones. Fuck the people !
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:11am
    - KevOB
      
      Govts require electoral mandate in NZ.
      
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      November 22, 2018 6:29pm
  - stephieboy
    
    kevOB , is that actually going to happen?
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:16am
MCos

Couple of tweets that caught my eye.

First from Donald Trump
‘So-called comedian Michelle Wolf bombed so badly last year at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner that this year, for the first time in decades, they will have an author instead of a comedian. Good first step in comeback of a dying evening and tradition! Maybe I will go?’

Followed by a response from Michelle Wolf
‘I bet you’d be on my side if I had killed a journalist. #BeBest’
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November 22, 2018 9:00am
- mark15
  
  Typical entitled response
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:25am
- Jules99
  
  Michelle Wolf proving that she’s still not funny.
  
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  November 22, 2018 1:38pm
  - Morrissey
    
    She’s funny all right, as well as several orders of I.Q. higher than Trump.
    
    Jules99: [choking with bile and resentment] Those damn’ liberals—they’ve got all the best music, all the prettiest women, all the smartest and funniest comedians. Damn it all! …choke, splutter…. FUCK them! Fuck them! Those darn women comedians. Show some fuckin’ RESPECT for the President. Choke, splutter, drool…. Damn, I’m hatin’ on my worthless life.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:35pm
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U.K. Quakers to Boycott Companies ‘Profiting From the Occupation’ of West Bank
Haaretz, Kislev 13, 5779

The Quakers of Britain announced that the religious movement will no longer invest in companies that “profit from the occupation” of the West Bank.

The Quakers, also known as the Society of Friends, said in their announcement Monday that the decision was made by the church’s trustees in consultation with Meeting for Sufferings – the national representative body of Quakers. It said the Quakers have a long history of “pursuing ethical investments,” noting that it has taken decisions not to invest in the fossil fuel industry, arms companies and South Africa under apartheid.

“Our long history of working for a just peace in Palestine and Israel has opened our eyes to the many injustices and violations of international law arising from the military occupation of Palestine by the Israeli government,” Paul Parker, recording clerk for the Quakers in Britain, said in the statement. “With the occupation now in its 51st year, and with no end in near sight, we believe we have a moral duty to state publicly that we will not invest in any company profiting from the occupation.”

He also wrote: “As Quakers, we seek to live out our faith through everyday actions, including the choices we make about where to put our money. We believe strongly in the power of legitimate, nonviolent, democratic tools such as morally responsible investment to realize positive change in the world. We want to make sure our money and energies are instead put into places which support our commitments to peace, equality and justice.”

The religious organization said its portfolio does not hold investments in any company working in the West Bank.

The Meeting for Sufferings also reaffirmed a 2011 decision to boycott goods produced in Israeli settlements.

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Read more…
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/u-k-quakers-to-boycott-companies-profiting-from-the-occupation-of-west-bank-1.6675031
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November 22, 2018 9:25am
- krazykiwi
  
  Read more…
  
  Only after I’ve finished gnawing my own arm off.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:36am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Sure. Anything but read. Anything but think.
    
    Have another drink, you waste of space.
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:48am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Plenty of reading and thinking and coffee going on here thanks. I simply have no interest for your anti-Semitic mewlings.
      
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      November 22, 2018 10:45am
      - Morrissey
        
        You’re ignorant, so I’m not addressing you directly. However, there are some people of good faith and serious mind who visit this site, and they know perfectly well that criticism of the outlaw state of Israel’s massive criminality is not anti-Semitic in any way whatsoever.
        
        You keep on sleeping, krazykiwi, and please don’t try to write anything in response to this. You’re just an embarrassment to yourself, and no doubt to your family.
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:31pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        outlaw state of Israel’s massive criminality
        
        All the hatred, and with just one keyboard to spew it. Pretty sad.
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:41pm
      - Morrissey
        
        As I advised you, fool, don’t say anything. It’s better, in the case of creatures like you, to remain silent and simply be regarded as a lackwit, rather than to send off moronic messages into cyberspace and remove all doubt.
        
        Judge Judy sums you up nicely:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
        
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        November 22, 2018 4:00pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Vitriol with an attempted application of humour. Cute. And kinda sad. Chin up though. At least someone’s bothering to talk to you.
        
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        November 22, 2018 4:07pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Nope. You ain’t got it, fool.
        
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        November 22, 2018 4:21pm
  - kowtow
    
    Read more , and this response from British Jewry is spot on …..
    
    ““The appalling decision of the Friends House hierarchy to divest from just one country in the world – the only Jewish state – despite everything else going on around the globe, shows the dangers of the obsessive and tunnel-visioned approach that a narrow clique of church officials have taken in recent years,” the board’s president, Marie van der Zyl, said in a statement.”
    
    Will the Qackers divest from China which is running a concentration camp regime against the Uighurs ?
    The Russians , Turks, Qataris , Iranians, Iraqis , for supporting Assad.
    
    Egypt for its oppression of Copts.
    
    Saudi for Yemen.
    
    The British , French , Americans, Canadians, Germans etc for destabalising Libya and turning it into a failed state .
    
    Etc
    
    Etc.
    
    Oh to be so virtuous.
    
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    November 22, 2018 10:31am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Virtue signalling doesn’t require consistency because the intended audience is both uncritical and tribal.
      
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      November 22, 2018 11:16am
- Jack5
  
  ? Morrissey, you know that Richard Nixon was a Quaker?
  
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  November 22, 2018 11:28am
  - Morrissey
    
    Yes, Jack, and Tony Bliar called himself a Christian. As did his partner in mass murder, George W. Bush. As did another mass murderer, William J. Clinton.
    
    The Quakers believe in social justice; Nixon did not—he was a rogue, or unrepresentative, Quaker. That doesn’t invalidate the rest of them.
    
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    November 22, 2018 3:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I suspect I know a little bit more about Quakers than you
      I spent Two and half years as a boarder at NZ Friends School and attended Quaker meeting in my teen/early 20s…. (Vietnam War days)..
      Nixon was born into a Quaker family and remained a Quaker until his death . He was never expelled from East Whittier Meeting.
      http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/N%20Disk/Nixon%20Richard%20M%20President%20Watergate%20Files/Religion/Item%2003.pdf
      There is no such thing as a representative Quaker.
      Their faith is between themselves and their God.
      Many Quakers have taken a Pacifist stance on Military matters and will refuse to bear arms.. but it’s not compulsory.
      Some Quakers have gone to war…their conscience guides their actions.
      
      Quakers do believe in and try to practice social justice, but as with any group of people, there are different views on how they go about this.
      
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      November 22, 2018 4:25pm
      - Morrissey
        
        How many Quakers that you know support mass killing of protestors and the illegal occupation of land, Maggie?
        
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        November 22, 2018 4:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        None..
        but that is not the point I was making.
        
        You described Nixon as a rogue or unrepresentative Quaker.
        I disagreed.
        
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        November 22, 2018 5:54pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Nixon was Albert Schweitzer compared to the present White House ghoul.
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:30pm
Inandout

If we dig deeper we will find the Quakers (no relevance to earthquakes) invest in dodgy companies. Oh to be saintly on the exterior.
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November 22, 2018 9:39am
- Morrissey
  
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  Now you’re going to attack Quakers too?
  
  Hilarious.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:49am
KevOB

Yemen Genocide About Oil Control

https://www.globalresearch.ca/yemen-genocide-oil-control/5660415

This gives the missing background.
F. William Engdahl has a free-ranging inquiring mind. Hunt Oil is involved in Yemen.
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November 22, 2018 9:49am
- stephieboy
  
  “F. William Engdahl has a free-ranging inquiring mind. Hunt Oil is involved in Yemen”
  
  BS!
  
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  November 22, 2018 10:31am
  - KevOB
    
    He has a much greater demonstrated range of opinions than appears to emanate from you.
    
    The issue of my post was the missing background revelation that
    about the active oil operation and exploration there. Huge prospects?
    
    Reading someone does not make anyone their advocate or disciple but only indicates willingness to consider other views. That latter willingness is sadly not tolerated in some “liberal” sections of society.
    
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    November 22, 2018 11:12am
cmm

JLR unlikely to return to parliament until 2019.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108779613/jamilee-ross-makes-first-public-appearance-at-middlemore-hospital

But koha still accepted.
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November 22, 2018 9:56am
Rodney Randall

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/11/21/08/36/scott-morrison-refuses-to-sign-united-nations-migration-pact-border-security

Scott Morrison refuses to sign United Nations migration pact

By Lane Calcutt • Political Reporter
9:44am Nov 21, 2018

Scott Morrison has refused to sign up to the United Nations migration pact, saying it would compromise Australia’s national interests and border security.

In a statement issued this morning, Mr Morrison said the government had already achieved the goals the deal set out.

And, he said, it failed to distinguish between illegal migrants, and those who arrived “the right way”.

Australia now joins the United States and others, in rejecting the UN pact.

“When we are asked to sign up to international agreements that we believe will compromise our successful way of doing things, we will pass,” Mr Morrison said in a joint statement with Home Affairs Minister, Peter Dutton, and Foreign Minister, Marise Payne.

“We believe that the compact is inconsistent with our well-established policies and not in Australia’s interests.

“We do not believe that adopting this agreement will add anything to enhancing our capacity to control our borders and manage our successful migration program.”

He said it was promoted as a way to ensure safe, orderly, and regular migration.

“We already achieve all of those goals,” the statement said.

“The compact fails to adequately distinguish between people who enter Australia illegally and those who come to Australia the right way, particularly with respect to the provision of welfare and other benefits.

“The compact would risk encouraging illegal entry and reverse Australia’s hard-won successes in combating the people smuggling trade.

“We will continue to make decisions in Australia’s best interests.”

© Nine Digital Pty Ltd 2018

WHAT WILL THE SLG DO?
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November 22, 2018 10:11am
- RF
  
  Hey you got it wrong…. it’s SLAG. Silly little Ardern girl…..
  
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  November 22, 2018 1:40pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WRszRZBfYw

The Terrible Truth About the UN Migration Compact – Stefan Molyneux

Total blackout here by the MSM

Radio hosts unaware of this Compact and flippant when the subject is broached on air.

No mention on television or in print media.
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November 22, 2018 10:14am
- stephieboy
  
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  Agenda 21 World totalitarian government stuff!
  
  https://www.disclose.tv/agenda-21-the-plan-to-depopulate-95-of-the-world-by-2030-313560
  
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  November 22, 2018 10:27am
  - tknorriss
    
    That is tinfoil hat conspiracy rubbish.
    
    If it were true, then socialist governments are doing a piss-poor job at depolulation given that many socialist policies such as family support encourage people to breed.
    
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    November 22, 2018 2:15pm
mara

RR Simon Bridges seems to be evading any discussion of this. It’s a worry.
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November 22, 2018 10:25am
- Jack5
  
  National is not facing up to hard questions like Chinese influence on NZ political parties, NZ in relation to America and Russia, and immigration.
  
  Heads in the sand. So are Labour’s, and NZ First’s heads are up Winnie’s arse.
  
  Maybe at the next election voters will stay home because the choice is too boring.
  
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  November 22, 2018 11:03am
- Rodney Randall
  
  ‘National’ is evading any discussion of this.
  
  One must question why?
  
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  November 22, 2018 11:15am
Tom Barker

“I came to NZ 26 years ago.”
So you’re favour of immigration here in some cases, but not in others. Ever find it difficult knowing where to draw the line? Or do you just stick to a few hard and fast rules?
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November 22, 2018 10:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  I favour immigration in some cases only: Where it’s legal. The UN pact removes the distinction between legal and illegal:
  
  “The Czech Republic has long favored the principle of separating legal and illegal migration,” Deputy Prime Minister Richard Brabec told a news conference.
  
  “That is what the Czech Republic’s and other European countries’ suggestions aimed for. The final text does not reflect those proposals.”
  
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  November 22, 2018 10:52am
  - Jack5
    
    Borders count! If a country can’t decide its own immigration policy it’s not a nation.
    
    Just as the Brussels bureaucrats have taken over and choked the EU, so the Third World bureaucrats have taken over the UN.
    
    Nothing seems to stand in the way of the bureaucrats’ power except the veto of the Security Council permanent members – the USA, France, Britain, China, and Russia.
    
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    November 22, 2018 11:07am
Jack5

? Gays, lesbians, trannies, now it’s “intersex”.

There have always been hermaphrodites, but this seems to broaden the classification. Apparently about one in 2000 babies born may have “confusing” genitalia, and this is often the subject of surgery. I make that 0.2 per cent. (Source, second link below).

An article in Stuff says the proportion is “just under 2 per cent”, or about 10 times the number.

The writer widens “intersex” definitions, and cites her own “Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.”

She/He/Whatever says: “… which, not to be too technical about it, means that my body doesn’t quite respond to androgens like testosterone the same way it does for y’all.”

I say “She/He/Whatever” because the crazed liberal elite who have such a big voice in in our media will use the broadened “intersex” in their campaign to edit the third person singular pronouns “he,” “him”, “she,” and “her” out of the English language. They will try to replace them with something new or try to make us use the plural pronouns “They” and “them” for singular as well.

That would lead to rubbish like: “They was the Goddess of Wisdom.”

How will the PC mob get on with the hundreds of languages, including Spanish, Russian, French, German, Hindi, that have gender for all nouns –

Stuff talks intersex:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/108603420/time-to-come-out-hi-im-sarah-and-im-intersex

Alternate proportion of hermaphrodites:

https://www.newhealthadvisor.com/Hermaphrodite-Human-Pictures.html
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November 22, 2018 10:53am
- mandk
  
  1 in 2000 is 0.05%
  
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  November 22, 2018 11:00am
  - Jack5
    
    You are correct – thank you! Does that make it Stuff multiplied the incidence 20-fold?
    
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    November 22, 2018 11:11am
    - Longknives
      
      I’m not sure the spotty 19 year old kids who write for Stuff worry about things like ‘Accuracy’ or even ‘Facts’…
      
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      November 22, 2018 12:05pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknives , but you do?
        
        Yeah right!
        
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        November 22, 2018 1:47pm
    - mandk
      
      No, it’s nearer 40-fold (depending on what ‘just under 2%’ means).
      
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      November 22, 2018 12:57pm
- MrTips
  
  I think most contributors to KB comments in into-sex too……
  
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  November 22, 2018 11:20am
- KevOB
  
  Sex is chromosomal determined but hormones and biology can interfere in regular development. Male babies can fail: testes may not descend or even be formed.
  My youngest was operated on twice to check out undescended testicles and looking for testosterone producing tissue. Neither. Genetically he was typed as male and now he is receiving testosterone injections.
  ~~Intersex?~~ Regular male with a probable birth defect. He will be twelve in a weeks time.
  
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  November 22, 2018 11:43am
  - KevOB
    
    Sexuality is a social construct. Youth experiment and some people only socially relate to others of the same gender physical or notional.
    
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    November 22, 2018 11:54am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      I think you’ll find that it’s a fundamental law of nature. For the species to survive, we need to reproduce. This process requires a male and a female of a certain maturity. Anything else is as unnatural as shagging a gumboot.
      
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      November 22, 2018 1:01pm
      - Jazzby
        
        Both of you are only half right: sex is the genetically determined characteristic, of which the phenotype (physical expression) may be less than totally definite; gender is the social construct; sexuality is the behavioural and psychological expression of gender.
        Having said this, I acknowledge that the terms are sometimes used loosely or interchangeably.
        
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        November 22, 2018 4:48pm
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      @Jazzby
      
      That’s why I distinguished chromosomal sex and socially constructed sexuality–gender.
      
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      November 22, 2018 6:33pm
- cmm
  
  That Russian woman is not intersex. She is female.
  
  She has all the girly bits. She doesn’t have any boy bits. However she just didn’t go through puberty so her girly bits didn’t develop.
  
  Thus, she’s a defective female, not intersex.
  
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  November 22, 2018 11:49am
secondcumming

Some FREE ADVICE for former Race Relations Concilliator *Gregory Fortuin*…….

If you don’t like the flag displayed in the Butcher Shop – buy your friggin’ meat elsewhere. Simple!!
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November 22, 2018 11:11am
stoptheboats

heres a hilarious emailblast just received from Labour – plenty of MUGS available !!!

“Still fancy a cuppa?
Our Labour movement has driven so much progressive change since our establishment. We are excited to have back in stock our 100th anniversary mug that celebrates just some of these achievements.
From creating the welfare state, to going nuclear free, to ending zero hour contracts, we’ve got a lot to be proud of!
GET YOUR MUG NOW!
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November 22, 2018 11:17am
Don the Kiwi

Is Obama reverting to his Choom gang days?
Speaks like a full on stoner.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/11/offteleprompter_obama_rambles_nearly_incoherently_attacking_american_global_warming_skeptics.html
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November 22, 2018 11:18am
- Jules99
  
  He had a pretty amazing speech writer, but it was obvious when not scripted that he was ordinary. I don’t mind less than perfect oration, I prefer to judge by results – on that basis, Trump is ahead.
  
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  November 22, 2018 1:34pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqpgts-VmP0

EU president Juncker visits Flemish parliament – and gets an earful from leader of Vlaams Belang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOm9NF9tXww

AfD leader Alexander Gauland addresses Merkel in Bundestag Dachschaden English speech Rede.

The tide is turning.
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November 22, 2018 11:20am
dcrown

John Roberts has to go, he’s crossed a line getting involved in partisan politics. Nevermind that he is responsible for making Obamacare ‘constitutional’

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/21/chief-justice-john-roberts-pushes-back-against-trumps-obama-judge-asylum-remark/

Republicans must impeached him and install a reliably conservative justice.
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November 22, 2018 11:30am
- MCos
  
  That would be ‘impeach’
  
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  November 22, 2018 11:46am
howitis

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6410057/Tasmania-votes-sweeping-changes-transgender-rights.html

…Landmark gender rights laws have made it through Tasmania’s lower house which include parents having to ‘opt in’ to have a baby’s sex recorded on birth certificates.
The House of Assembly passed the legislation, which was proposed by Labor and the Greens, on Tuesday night thanks to a deciding vote by Liberal speaker Sue Hickey.
Other changes include individuals being allowed to change their gender from the age of 16 by simply filling out a statutory declaration, according to The Australian…

NB. Ties in with Jack5 post at 10.53 to a degree.

Scott Morrison is not too happy with this.
You have to actually ‘opt in’ to put a Gender on the Birth Cert.
Massive implications such as getting a drivers licence, passport, enrolling at a single sex school, going on school trips.
It is passed in the Lower house and has to be ratified/passed in the Upper house.

Crikey. The State has 500,000 people and Two houses of Parliament.
Federal Senators and House of Reps, Local councils etc. Who does the actual work?
Tasmania has a population a bit bigger than Wellington City or similar pop. to Newcastle, NSW.

If passed, in Tasi you can have two heads but no gender!
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November 22, 2018 12:01pm
- MCos
  
  The least populated state in America, Wyoming, doesn’t have much more, but it has it’s own Governor & Senate plus representatives in Washington DC including two senators just like all the other states, big or small.
  In New Zealand the Chatham Islands is the smallest territorial authority with 600 people and is administered by a council of a mayor and eight councillors. Only twelve less than Auckland.
  
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  November 22, 2018 3:04pm
  - artemisia
    
    Chathams – no need for expensive elections. Buggins’ turn will do nicely.
    
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    November 22, 2018 3:42pm
cmm

“INZ said last week that its findings were given to Sroubek to give him an opportunity to comment and provide his views on any possible decision.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12164449

W T F ??

Since when does a lying crim get the right to comment and provide his views on a minister’s decision?

What next?

Cop: “I’m going to arrest you sir, if that’s Ok with you and doesn’t put you out too much.”

Judge: “Off to the slammer for a year, unless you’d rather not go.”

IRD: “The marginal tax rate is 33% unless you think it should be less.”

I suppose all except the last are plausible.
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November 22, 2018 12:04pm
- KevOB
  
  Sroubek seems to have been lawyered up. Typical of a drug dealer fighting to keep his position secure.
  
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  November 22, 2018 1:08pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Since when does a lying crim get the right …
  
  When said lying crim has leverage
  
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  November 22, 2018 4:01pm
MrTips

To steal someone else’s gig:

People who can fuck off today

The mongs who drive Subaru GT250 stationwagons
– what is it with you lot? You’re ALL dickheads who try and kill others or give nought a fairies for anyone else on the road.
Anyone who like Dave Dobbin’s ♪Welcome Home♪
– its a shit song, over-hyped and over used. Kill it before its re-made.

Rant over.
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November 22, 2018 12:15pm
- Longknives
  
  Amend that to “Anyone who likes Dave Dobbyn.”
  
  The man is an absolute arse…
  
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  November 22, 2018 12:20pm
  - RF
    
    If you want a reaction mention his name to an Auckland cop who was involved in the Aotea Square riots…..
    
    They hate his bloody guts…
    
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    November 22, 2018 1:12pm
  - Jazzby
    
    Big duck on a little pond.
    
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    November 22, 2018 4:51pm
- artemisia
  
  Wasn’t Welcome Home written when he became a Christian? Not when he carried someone over the threshold.
  
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  November 22, 2018 12:20pm
  - Longknives
    
    I think the song “Welcome Home’ has something to do with Ahmed Zaoui? And Dave’s desire to see unlimited Muslims come here??
    Zaoui certainly appeared in the video…
    
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    November 22, 2018 12:22pm
    - kowtow
      
      I see Deborah Manning is counsel for the Afghans against the military……
      
      ….. if she had her way ,we’d all be singing for bringing in another mob of fake refugees.
      
      For your delectification I see Zaoui was able to travel to Algeria. This article tells us nothing of how many dependants he brought in nor of the details of the charges and convictions he faced in France and Belgium, that our illegal immigrant facilitators deemed to be “unsafe”.
      
      https://www.nzcatholic.org.nz/2015/09/03/zaoui-shares-the-journey-of-his-life/
      
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      November 22, 2018 12:46pm
      - Paulus
        
        Zaoui reported to have brought in 18 relatives.
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        kowtow, do inform us about the terrorist cell he has established at his lunch shop?
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:12pm
      - kowtow
        
        paulus
        
        You’d think a puff piece on some blokes’ “journey of his life” would include minor details like how many children or dependants they have ………
        
        …….but that wouldn’t suit the narrative.
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        Manning also acted as a family spokesperson for the family of Kailesh Thanabalasingham, the secretary of the NZ Refugee Council, when Thanabalasingham was fatally burned in a mysterious fire at his home in Auckland.
        
        Later reports indicated that a man of the same name, same age, same ethnicity, had been earlier deported from Canada following a murderous ethnic gang war.
        
        At the time of the fire, Manning was described in the media as Thanabalasingham’s close friend. She was reported as describing him as an “excellent person and a real asset to the community.”
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:09pm
  - MrTips
    
    He’s always been Christian. Went to Catholic primary school with my cousin. They used to delight in kicking the rugby ball high, getting Dobbin to catch it and smash him when he did.
    
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    November 22, 2018 12:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Mr Tips, like Neil and Tim Finn ex-Sacred Heart College?
      
      Seems you have made it all up.
      
      Why?
      
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      November 22, 2018 2:16pm
      - MrTips
        
        How’s the alien probing going stephie?
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:22pm
    - Morrissey
      
      They used to delight in kicking the rugby ball [sic] high, getting Dobbin [sic] to catch it….
      
      Kicking the football high. Nobody says “rugby ball”, you fucking moron.
      
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      November 22, 2018 3:20pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Three stumble-footed fuckwits who couldn’t drop kick a football to save themselves have downticked this.
        
        Hi-LARIOUS.
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:40pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And nobody has upticked it. What a surprise.
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:55pm
      - Morrissey
        
        What? Are you one of those numbskulls who can’t tell a football from his arse, Cap’n?
        
        Surely not. SURELY not.
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  Dave Dobbin’s ♪Welcome Home♪
  
  Forever popular and a great song!
  
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  November 22, 2018 2:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    A dirge by a left-wing hack!
    
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    November 22, 2018 3:18pm
  - Longknives
    
    Dave Dobbyn’s ‘Welcome Home’ is the musical equivalent of a burly Islamic man taking an enormous dump in your mouth after a particularly spicy kebab…
    
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    November 22, 2018 3:22pm
  - The Heat
    
    Ah, Dobbyn. The musical equivalent of a backbench Labour MP.
    
    Not something I’d listen to.
    
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    November 22, 2018 3:43pm
Rich Prick

I suggested yesterday that the Pride Committee had better enjoy their own company as they seek to exclude all and sundry. Now they are losing sponsors hand over fist. Good job.
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November 22, 2018 12:42pm
- MrTips
  
  It does seem they have incurred a rather large self-inflicted push-pop….
  
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  November 22, 2018 12:57pm
- Longknives
  
  “hand over fist”
  
  Fnarr Fnarr!
  
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  November 22, 2018 2:15pm
secondcumming

They’re a strange mob 🙁

*Indian man* admits to raping 9 little girls…….breaks their legs first so they can’t escape. As you do.

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1065296283076882432
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November 22, 2018 12:50pm
- Jack5
  
  ? More than two hours later and the rostered-on Stephie hasn’t come up with an equivalent case in a white country!
  
  Too much head banging and khat chewing has buggered this Stephie’s response time (or perhaps too much leering down at the mall).
  
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  November 22, 2018 3:15pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    To be fair that’s a pretty tough “whatabout” for a rape apologist to come up with.
    
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    November 22, 2018 7:55pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Population growth from migration is continuing to decline but remained above 60,000 in the year to October | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/97012/population-growth-migration-continuing-decline-remained-above-60000-year-october

Population growth from migration hit its lowest annual level since 2015 but remains above 60,000 a year, according to Statistics NZ.

There was a net gain of 61,751 people from migration (long term arrivals minus long term departures) in the 12 months to October.

That was the lowest it has been in any 12 month period since September 2015, and a 12.7% decline compared to the 12 months to October last year.

That was caused by a 2.7% decline in the number of people arriving in this country long term and and an 8.9% increase in the number of people leaving long term. … read more via hyperlink above …
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November 22, 2018 1:51pm
- Longknives
  
  Riveting stuff there! Thanks Hugh…
  
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  November 22, 2018 2:11pm
Jack5

What could justify a judge shutting down public information in the case of a 31-year-old Indian doctor accused of murdering a 16 -year-old Dunedin girl?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12164515
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November 22, 2018 2:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , brings to mind this Dunedin Psychiatrist Coilin Bouwer found guilty of murdering his wife,
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=187722
  
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  November 22, 2018 2:05pm
  - Longknives
    
    Why does that bring the Bouwer case to mind Stephieboy?
    Because they were both in Dunedin?
    
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    November 22, 2018 2:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      * Indian Man* * White Man*
      
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      November 22, 2018 2:11pm
      - Longknives
        
        Nope- Still not getting you….
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:15pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknives, still don’t get it?
        
        The fact one is *Indian * and the other White is not significant?
        
        DUH!
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        A Stephiestani whinge – “racism!”
        
        Get over it.
        
        In an Indian city of Dunedin’s size, imagine a doctor were charged with murdering a 16-year-old girl. If the doctor was an Indian, there would be no mention of his race in the local media. It would be assumed he was Indian. If he was white, or black, or a Chinese doctor, the Indian newspapers would of course report his race.
        
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        November 22, 2018 2:48pm
      - stigie
        
        Still don’t fucking get it Stiffy..?
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:33pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Let me help you.
        
        * Indian Man* * White Man*
        * St Lukes *
        * Busy café *
        * Flat white *
        * Teenage girls *
        * Honeypots *
        * Small but ample breasts *
        
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        November 22, 2018 3:59pm
      - Swifty
        
        Nostra, don’t forget the photos of Ivanka…….
        
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        November 22, 2018 6:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Colin Bouwer’s hearings were not closed to the public or journalists.
    
    That is the point of the news story and that is the question that Jack is seeking an answer for.
    
    Once again you reveal your difficulty with comprehending basic written text.
    
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    November 22, 2018 3:39pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The poor girl’s mother committed suicide as a result of this. The prick should be charged with her murder as well.
  
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  November 22, 2018 3:59pm
- howitis
  
  This piece of Indian scum home invaded and murdered this 16 year old girl.
  Accused of murder = Venod Skantha
  On top of that Amber Rose’s mother was so cut up she committed suicide about 2 months after the murder.
  
  Two people living a normal life a year ago are now dead because of this filth.
  Watch the insanity plea come out now.
  Just take this piece of scum now and bury the critter alive in a quarry.
  They never give the women folk a chance.
  ——————
  In addition it looks like the body found yesterday on the Wairarapa coast was that of Sonam Shelar who has been missing for 5 days.
  She is/was Indian and married to an Indian bloke.
  She was pregnant and did not want to have a girl.
  The stupidity of Indians:
  They don’t want daughters so abort and now there is a mass imbalance of males v females in India.
  They are already rapey feckers to begin with.
  
  The deceased woman was phoning her mother multiple times a day.
  The mother says she thinks her daughter has been murdered.
  Police are looking for CCTV footage in the area where the deceased lived with hubby.
  I’ll put $1000 on it that it is the Indian husband who murdered her.
  I said last week on KB -you will see the NZ courts fill with Indian crime.
  —–
  On trial only last month
  Rohit Deepak Singh is on trial in the High Court at Auckland after pleading not guilty to murdering Ms Arishma Chand.
  The 24-year-old mother was found stabbed to death in her Manurewa home on 12 November last year.
  —–
  How about this one:-
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5535253/Wife-flogged-100-times-public-adultery-India.html#comments
  Woman is flogged 100 times by her husband as punishment for adultery before collapsing unconscious in front of baying mob who sexually assault and try to rape her in India
  
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  Indians have a disgusting society where woman are treated badly and female foetuses get aborted simply because they are female.
  
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  November 22, 2018 4:12pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Agree with most of what you say, particularly about Indian society, but it’s quite possible that she entered the water at Island Bay all by herself and was swept to where she was found by the Cook Straight currents.
    Let’s hear what the Coroner has to say before we com to any conclusions.
    
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    November 22, 2018 8:47pm
kowtow

“Gaping hole opens up near Oamaru”

Police are looking into it.

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/north-otago/gaping-hole-opens-near-oamaru
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November 22, 2018 2:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Who will be first to enter it? Miner Little or Miner Peters?
  
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  November 22, 2018 3:20pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Jack5:
    
    How about Miner Chuck Bird:
    
    Winston has the balls to make the offer [to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine]. Does Bill English have the balls to call his bluff? If is not bluff. I would happily join him.
    
    Flipper wasn’t impressed with Chuck’s reverse-psychology:
    
    Winston has only got one ball.
    Chuckies are very very small, but
    Poor Bernie and Angry have no balls at all ……..
    
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    November 22, 2018 4:19pm
Nostradamus

This is a sad story: Aussie girl gets her wish to be a flower girl before cancer claims her young life.

That Thursday was a dark day, a very dark day. It’s hard when a parent is told your child’s not going to live but to be able to get married the next day meant our hearts sang.

Paige had such excitement about us getting married. Every time we would see people she’d say ‘My mummy and daddy are getting married and I’m going to be a flower girl’.

This isn’t how we planned it, she couldn’t open her eyes, but we had her there and that’s the main thing … she got to feel and hear and sense the love she’s created.”

I feel sorry for parents who go through things like this. She went from healthy to “incurable” in 3 months.
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November 22, 2018 4:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Terrible thing to happen to such a tot. One always asks why a higher being would allow such suffering?
  
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  November 22, 2018 5:16pm
  - nasska
    
    Easy. There isn’t a higher being.
    
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    November 22, 2018 5:37pm
    - Swifty
      
      I’m surprised why so many people haven’t worked that out yet.
      
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      November 22, 2018 6:05pm
  - MrTips
    
    If this is a genuine question, the quick answer is that God does not will it, but permits it that our free will is respected (including the consequence of the fall) and to allow good to be drawn out of it (medical staff, family, friends etc). One cannot deny it’s hard sometimes to understand, let alone accept, but there is a great difference in what some consider difficult.
    
    A more substantial answer is here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm
    
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    November 22, 2018 7:31pm
    - nasska
      
      What a crock of shit. If something good happens the cry rings out “Praise God”. If it turns to custard it’s “God’s will”.
      
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      November 22, 2018 7:37pm
      - MrTips
        
        And where did I say it was God’s will?
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:21pm
    - Swifty
      
      How convenient for you MrTips.
      
      A god that is never responsible when injustices occur.
      
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      November 22, 2018 8:01pm
      - MrTips
        
        He’s not responsible when Stephie “shags his goats” if that’s what you mean. And He doesn’t will that 2yr old children die suddenly, or get brutally ripped from their mothers womb.
        
        But He does will that people give a damn about 2yr old girls and their families.
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:26pm
    - rangitoto
      
      If an omni style god exists then free will is impossible, You can only do what the god knew you would do all along. Also begs the question of why bad shit can’t happen in heaven or else there is no free will in heaven. The religiotards have been trying and failing for over two thousand years to come up with a valid answer to the question posed by Epicurus.
      
      “Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? then is god impotent. Is god able, but not willing? then is god malevolent. Is god both able and willing? whence then is evil?”
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:08pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Damn Nostra…. actually crying over my dinner.
  
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  November 22, 2018 7:30pm
big bruv

Stuff is running a story about some fat shelia whom I have never heard of.
I only have one question…..why?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/healthy-lifestyle/edge-radio-host-opens-up-about-body-positivity/ar-BBPY77u?ocid=ientp
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November 22, 2018 4:46pm
- Inandout
  
  After reading about the little girl with a tumour, I say to this ‘host’, get a life you idiot.
  
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  November 22, 2018 5:18pm
Nostradamus

From today’s weird files: Gender crusade ‘personal’ for Green O’Connor, as trans son lauds Speaker Sue Hickey’s ‘gutsy’ act

For Tasmanian politician Cassy O’Connor, changing the laws to give parents the choice of whether they list their child’s gender on a birth certificate is a personal crusade. … Ms O’Connor’s son Jasper Lees began transitioning from female to male about two years ago, at the age of 18. He’s been part of a group of advocates leading the charge to remove discrimination against transgender and gender diverse people from the state’s laws.

Now, for the first time, I’ve learned that discrimination apparently extends to transgender surgery procedures:

Mr Lees said transgender and gender diverse people should not have to have risky and expensive surgery to change gender. “Requiring someone to remove their uterus or reproductive organs when they actually don’t need to is sterilisation.”

There’s that sterilisation word! Mind you, there could be something to be said for saving your uterus and reproductive organs in case you change your mind later, and want to swap your penis for “girlie bits” again?
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November 22, 2018 6:25pm
- nasska
  
  I’m buggered if I can see how people get confused over a kid’s gender.
  
  If the curtain climber has blue booties it’s a boy…..if they’re pink it’s a girl! 🙂
  
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  November 22, 2018 6:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I took the BBC quiz
“How populist are you”?
and discovered I’m a bit of a Leftie.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2018/nov/21/how-populist-are-you-quiz
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November 22, 2018 6:49pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  Have you shown Stephieboy the evidence? He seems convinced that you’re an alt-right, climate-change-denying, Trump-loving woman with confused political affiliations! 🙂
  
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  November 22, 2018 6:54pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Evidence ?
    whatever
    DUH!
    LOL
    Moron
    
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    November 22, 2018 7:00pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Tsk tsk
      
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      November 22, 2018 7:59pm
- nasska
  
  Populist right by a slim margin.
  
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  November 22, 2018 6:56pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hmmm
  
  You’re most similar to:
  Emmanuel Macron
  French president
  
  I must have done something wrong!
  
  Actually, the result looks wrong, because I’m in just in the top-right quadrant (like Nasska), but Macron is in the bottom-left quadrant.
  
  You’re least similar to:
  Pablo Iglesias
  Leader of Podemos, a leftwing Spanish party
  
  At least they got that right!
  
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  November 22, 2018 7:04pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Close to Angela Merkel, least like Bernie Sanders???
  
  I think I’m Denmark ?? ?‍♂️
  
  Edit: well into bottom right….. shit, does that mean I’m denmark4justice?
  
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  November 22, 2018 7:37pm
- Biscuit
  
  That’s it, Maggy: the engagement is off!
  
  Me, I’m ‘most similar to:
  Emmanuel Macron
  French president
  Emmanuel Macron revolutionised French politics in 2017 by winning the presidential election, and the subsequent parliamentary vote, for his new party, En Marche, whose agenda is economically right of centre. Nonetheless, he usually avoids populist rhetoric.’
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:22pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Turns out I’m just a c**t
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:27pm
nasska

I’ll fill one out for stephieboy using the details he’s given us. I’m expecting a result in the far left populist quadrant comparing him closely with a mentally defective, semi-literate, Islamic goatherd with a secret crush on Donald Trump! 🙂
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November 22, 2018 7:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  For bonus points, what’s Redbaiter’s result? (I didn’t see a question on public-interest-inspired toll road protests.)
  
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  November 22, 2018 7:17pm
  - nasska
    
    That’s a tough one Nostra. His political leanings are all over the place depending on who’s pissed him off recently.
    
    To add to the confusion Baity’s instructions come with his breakfast cereal. The code hidden within the “Snap, crackle & pop” is known only to him & a select few conservative Time Lords. 🙂
    
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    November 22, 2018 7:26pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      Are you sure? Redbaiter and Thedavinci~~mode~~code got on like best friends forever when they chatted here at Kiwiblog. Redbaiter even gave him the pet name “thedavaselinemode” – but I’m sure there wasn’t any self-projection involved!
      
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      November 22, 2018 7:38pm
      - nasska
        
        Davinci & RRM set the standard when it came to baiting Baity. 🙂
        
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        November 22, 2018 7:45pm
      - Swifty
        
        Baity used to get jolly batey!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTDz5hvNqTQ
        
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        November 22, 2018 7:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I seem to have missed the Glory days of KB.
        
        I notice Pete George has a post up discussing Robert Guyton’s trolling.
        
        https://yournz.org/2018/11/22/ping-the-government-for-everything-imaginable-versus-positive-politics/
        
        I suspect there is a troll sausage machine lurking in Leftiedom that exudes dull chaps who spurt pointless posts day in, day out.
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:07pm
      - nasska
        
        Robert Guyton did comment here under a few pseudonyms (eg Greenfly) Maggy but he pissed our host off sufficiently to get permanently banned.
        
        He wrecked Keeping Stock’s blog which was a shame as it was a lightly moderated forum with some good posts.
        
        We get commenters here from time to time who bleat about frivolous comments but few would recall how bad the abuse was when it was a right wing troll vs left wing troll free for all.
        
        That said, they were fun days! 🙂
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        Guyton disappointed me.
        
        Given his veg growing prowess I took him for principled, intelligent and worldly – but he disappointed me time after time.
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:39pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @swifty
        
        Same here.
        
        I was familiar with his Riverton Gardening writing, but unfamiliar with his pettiness until I read a few postings over at YourNZ.
        
        But nothing much surprises me now about some of our Green Gurus…
        
        I have only lately caught -up with the fact that the Pureora Tree sitter – Stephen King- had been convicted of possessing child porn.
        (I had known Steve back in my Uni days).
        
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        November 22, 2018 8:59pm
      - Swifty
        
        Feet of clay…..
        
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        November 22, 2018 9:15pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        booby gayton is a GUNT™
        
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        November 23, 2018 1:56am
- All_on_Red
  
  Careful
  If you pretend to be Stephie you’ll have Internal Affairs turning up to confiscate your computer
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:29pm
Viking2

I see the bigger more burly policeman we have these days are having trouble fitting into their cars. Not surprised as I have wondered how they managed. surely there is a health and safety issue there.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/108720408/new-smaller-police-cars-are-a-bit-snug-in-the-back

Comment is made about donut eating and after going to the states you better believe it.

Had to wait a bit at Detroit airpoort so thought to have a coffee. Sat next to the Detroit Police Airport counter.
Two extremely large but short Dark coloured police women were on duty. Both could hardly walk, and sat there for the 45 minutes that I observed, just eating and looking at their phones. One was sat on a golf cart thingy so she could wizz off when needed. Unpleasant looking, fully loaded with gear. Wanted to take a pic but was worried they might come looking for me in their golf car. Old as I am I reckon I could outrun them on foot even with a suitcase to haul.
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November 22, 2018 7:46pm
nasska

Apparently an unmarried mother who works in a Waikato takeaway shop has expressed an ambition to follow Jacinda into politics.

It could be that today’s fish & chip wrapper is tomorrow’s news.
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November 22, 2018 8:46pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  I’m worried that Jacinda will inspire a lot of South Auckland teenage girls to have a baby – at taxpayer expense. I mean, Clarke hardly set a good example with his YouTube clip boasting about “hundreds” of sexual conquests!
  
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  November 22, 2018 8:54pm
  - nasska
    
    You’re probably right Nostra though career breeding has long been a trait of the bludging class. IOW those who society least needs replicating themselves with gay abandon do & frequently.
    
    Yet fertility keeps dropping. We have five granddaughters & three grandsons between 28 & 17 all going hard at it like rabbits but no results to date.
    
    I don’t know what they’re doing wrong. All I had to do was take my pants off in front of the cook & bingo……she was pregnant! 🙂
    
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    November 22, 2018 9:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      All I had to do was take my pants off in front of the cook & bingo…
      
      You must have highly motile swimmers.
      
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      November 22, 2018 9:31pm
sooty

Over on Stuffed they are organising the big red bus to run over Slease Gallopaway!
You are stuffed when the msm are dissing you!
Who’s going to have his job?
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November 22, 2018 9:27pm
- Wired-one
  
  No one, he wont step down and Ardern is too gutless and weak to sack him.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:41pm
- Nostradamus
  
  There’s a certain irony (not picked up in media commentary that I’ve seen) in how Michael Woodhouse managed the immigration portfolio:
  
  Immigration Minister Michael Woodhouse is taking steps to improve Immigration New Zealand’s decision making authority for cases involving residence class visa holders convicted of a criminal offence.
  
  Currently, Immigration NZ has the ability to make decisions on behalf of the Minister on deportation cases for some residence class visa holders convicted of a criminal offence.
  
  I have made my expectations very clear when it comes to deportation decisions involving offending of this nature and those expectations are not being met. So I am temporarily suspending Immigration NZ’s decision making authority until I have confidence that the decisions being made are consistent with my expectations.
  
  This course of action follows today’s New Zealand Herald article regarding an individual [Sultan Ali Abduri Ali Akbari] whose liability for deportation was suspended, despite the severity of the offending.
  
  Here, though, Immigration New Zealand officials did the right thing – and Ian Lees-Galloway was too busy stroking something (hopefully his beard and not something else) to read the file.
  
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  November 22, 2018 9:49pm
Surely Knott

Carmel Sepuloni Public Talk: Work, Welfare and West Auckland. Low expectations for some areas it seems. What about careers, innovation , education and business strategy for West Auckland.
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November 23, 2018 8:56am
Viking2

Looks like the company that was appointed to buil;d CRL has gone bust.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12164937
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November 23, 2018 9:02am
- thedavincimode
  
  In the real world, anyone contracting out a substantial contract or a critical element of a contract undertakes due diligence on tenderers, including financial due diligence. But that’s in the real world. Tits for hands goof and pugwash seem to be trying to outdo that big bag of piss and wind, porno jones.
  
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  November 23, 2018 9:36am

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