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MrLovebucket

Here is a natural experiment that shows men are simply better at some tasks than women, just as women are better at certain tasks than men. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution counts for something.

So suck on this Feminists.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sorry-feminists-men-are-better-at-scrabble-1542411642
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November 19, 2018 8:00am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  This is the case for just about any task where performance can be objectively measured. In chess the gap is even greater. Games are the most convenient examples because they have a score and a winner and there cannot be any doubt about who exhibited the better skill and judgment.
  
  That’s why women are pushing for equality in workplaces and other areas where there is no purely objective measure of performance. To say that a company is sexist if the board is all male, is the same as saying a chess board is sexist if the top players are all male, i.e. it’s pure nonsense.
  
  That doesn’t mean the differences are caused by evolution and are present from birth. They may be, but for practical purposes it is sufficient to say that those differences exist long before people reach adulthood, which is certainly true.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:19am
  - Biscuit
    
    Have you been watching the World Chess Championship from London, Nigel?
    
    Enthralling stuff…
    
    Not.
    
    Seven games (of a scheduled dozen) played so far:
    
    Draw
    Draw
    Draw
    Draw
    Draw
    Draw
    Draw
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      What’s up with Carlsen?
      Has he met his match, or has he lost his touch?
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:00am
      - Biscuit
        
        Maggy, I have a suspicion that Carlsen has been swallowed up by his media persona.
        
        He’s still young – 27 – but has been a top-notcher since 2002 and has become rather too accustomed to his fame, methinks.
        
        I think his opponent missed a great opportunity to go one-up this a.m.
        
        Still, Carlsen is White in Game 8 so…
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:06am
      - Manolo
        
        Neither of the two. It seems Caruana has prepared very well. The best is yet to come…
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:25am
      - Sir Leslie Bottocks
        
        But Carlsen can be a funny guy at times!
        
        Here he answers a question at the press conference following game 5
        
        https://youtu.be/8gHDHS2AjdA?t=1007
        
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        November 19, 2018 10:12am
    - Manolo
      
      True, but have of the positions have been very interesting. Caruana missed a long winning variation in the sixth game, but there is a long way to go yet.
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:27am
      - Biscuit
        
        Oh I’m still enthralled, Manolo, but just a little off-put by the lack of glamour.
        
        By comparison, did you see the Darts story from the weekend where the two players accused each other of attempting to distract their opponent by, erm, the surreptitious release of anal gases?
        
        Imagine that in a Chess setting!
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:38am
    - pdm
      
      Draw, Draw, Draw.
      
      Biscuit you don’t have Chess mixed up with Association Football do you?
      
      A Liverpool season perhaps!!
      
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      November 19, 2018 11:31am
      - Biscuit
        
        Good people of Kiwiblog, if you look away NOW none of you will be ever be called to testify against me in any trial that might be upcoming as to how pdf came by those ugly bruises…
        
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        November 19, 2018 12:11pm
      - sooty
        
        ?
        
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        November 19, 2018 12:22pm
      - pdm
        
        Nasty Biscuit – just plain nasty – and unprovoked as well.
        
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        November 19, 2018 12:24pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      The two best computer chess programs in the world AlphaZero a neural net given 9 hours to learn chess, and Stockfish – developed over decades by humans and ranked at 3441 (top human ever 2882) played 100 matches. AlphaZero won 28 and drew 72. 25 wins playing white.
      
      As you get closer to perfection Draws become more and more likely.
      
      Only one woman in the top 100 chess players of all time.
      
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      November 19, 2018 7:58pm
- VicParking
  
  Men are Better at:
  Scratching their Balls
  Pulling their Pud
  Shaving their Beards
  Drunking a Pint
  Being a LoveBucket
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:42am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    And definitely better at burping and farting.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:46am
    - holysheet
      
      Women never shut up long enough to build up gas?
      
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      November 19, 2018 10:24am
Captain Mainwaring

Did anyone else see ‘Dear Leader’ stuttering and stammering her way through the interview in PNG and trying to explain why she covered up the ceremonial shirt because ‘I don’t wear yellow’.
Jesus H.Christ on a bike? When you’re in a situation like this you do everything you can not to embarrass the hosts. You don’t behave like a petulant schoolgirl.
Oh wait……. She is one.
Not my Prime Minister.
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November 19, 2018 8:01am
- sooty
  
  Brick, Thick! Nah, never not the princess!
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:06am
- slightlyrighty
  
  If Trump had done this, the MSM would be all over it…
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:16am
- Prince
  
  I saw that, but what struck me was the bobblehead.
  We have a bobblehead PM, nodding furiously no matter what she is saying.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:44am
  - freethinker
    
    A nodding Donkey for a PM or perhaps just a stupid ass.
    
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    November 19, 2018 11:17am
- VicParking
  
  She could have picked her red one… Lets do this.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:44am
- Harkman
  
  What I saw last night come out her mouth was astounding. She tried to play up her importance, she is the most inconsequential NZ PM in years, and we are inconsequential. I was going to use a Mr Ed analogy, but Mr Ed said some quite intelligent things. As for Winston’s NZ ‘is well placed to be an honest broker between the US and China’ is miles from reality. The Trump Administration took note of Cindy badmouthing them and now she doesn’t even get a photo-op.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:48am
  - MickMac
    
    and rightly so.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:47am
  - Fletch
    
    “Hellloooooo, Wilber….” ?
    
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    November 19, 2018 10:06am
- KevOB
  
  Was that why she was not properly dressed as is the custom?
  Is she trying to take out “yellow” too following her moving NZ into Australia’s territorial region.
  We have too many expats in Aus. to ignore the possibility of retaliation not being visited on them.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:01am
- Simon
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Ardern is a mong for sure. But John Key sold out to the CCP. Ardern is along for the ride.
  
  Both Labo & National are scum. Same party. Sold out to the CCP for some muskets and blankets.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:04am
  - kevn
    
    @Simon… Get in there as a party candidate and sort them out.
    
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    November 19, 2018 10:15am
- MCos
  
  She probably said what every other leader wanted to say that’s ever had to wear one of those often excruciating getups they get presented with at these occasions.
  Last year at Vietnam she didn’t dress up either. Looking at the photo it was only the blokes who did, including Putin & Trump who gave PNG a miss. I wonder why. (Winston filled in for both of them)
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:05am
  - Jazzby
    
    Not only is she our top politician, but she’s also our chief diplomat, whether she likes it or not. And diplomacy is all about saying and doing the right, acceptable thing, even if one doesn’t really mean it. It’s like a carefully choreographed dance, and she simply can’t dance. Appearances matter: a lot.
    Her crassness will have been noted.
    Our Prime Minister has as much subtlety, tact, and diplomacy as a toilet brush.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:16am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And a useless toilet brush at that!
      
      How effective has she been in cleaning up the shit that is sticking to the seat stinking up the place making it unpleasant for others using the facility (Parliament)?
      
      The last turd left floating admitted defeat and self-flushed!
      
      Her bestees are the ones pissing on the floor and then pretending it is someone else; cannot take responsibility for their failings with age just leaving mess everywhere!
      
      Not my Prime Minister, not anyone’s Government!
      
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      November 19, 2018 10:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Brilliant imagery.
        
        I would love to plagiarise… but I am a Lady.
        
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        November 19, 2018 11:27am
  - Nukuleka
    
    The outfits may indeed be excruciatingly awful but there are protocols and good manners to be taken into account. She observes neither.
    
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    November 19, 2018 11:53am
- kevn
  
  @Captn… Got a link to this latest JA please? Thanks
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:22am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Saw yesterday that she’d written to some twelve year old praising his initiative in setting up a petition to get Metallica to play in New Zealand.
  
  All very nice for the kid and his family, no doubt, but dear God – does she really think this is a good use of her very expensive time?
  
  No. She is not a serious person. She thinks she is a celebrity and has no sense of the great responsibility of her position. It is truly frightening for New Zealand.
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:15am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes and she opened a womens market!
    
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    November 19, 2018 6:00pm
- godruelf
  
  What got me was Jacinda telling us she wasn’t worried about her safety in PNG. She didn’t mention about concerns for her daughters safety.
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:47am
  - cmm
    
    PNG, where something like 15% of men admit to have raped a woman, but, apparently we have a rape culture.
    
    Of course she’s safe surrounded by her security detail.
    
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    November 19, 2018 10:54am
flipper

Today is the eigth (8) anniversary of the Pike River Mine explosion in which 29 died. After the Crown decided not to prosecute Whittall there was a solatium payment made to each family. That drew pejorative media coverage and demands that the Government direct that a prosecution be launched. Of course, even after a Royal Commission and the complete re-writing (to the ridiculous – eg. scaffolding required to paint the roof (or build) of a single storey house) of H & S rules, that small Monk-MSM-driven group would have none of that and have persisted in their mis-guided efforts.
This morning Simon Bridges told that silly baby Tame that politicians should NEVER be involved in prosecution decisions. To do so, the one-time prosecutor asserted, would be Banana Republic stuff. He is right. But that did not stop Peters or Little taking the issue to the brink with their re-entry promises.
Ergo, on this 8th anniversary, Flipper thought it would be useful to repeat the Gue
st Post done for Kiwiblog way back in 2013, namely:
The main stream media have reached a new nadir in referring to the Pike River mine prosecution withdrawal and the $110,000 solatiums for each family, as “blood money”.
This description is a gross misrepresentation, if not a deliberate lie.
The families of the Pike River disaster have already received $8 million via charitable donations, $ 5 million via ACC, and have $15 million further ACC payments “in the bank” to come.
The prosecution of Whittall was always going to fail because the evidential link could never be made between criminality and cause. Health and safety trial aspects appear to have been compromised by Labour Department culpability.
It is time that Monk and his fellow blood suckers took note of the fact that it is they who are involved in “blood money” – not the previous mine owners, nor directors, nor Whittall.
Let it go. New Zealand has been generous on this issue. But with this latest Monk charade, so far as I am concerned, never again.
After another 5 years we are being asked to pay , what $36 million plus, to do what? All to mollify Monk and his cronies,
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November 19, 2018 8:02am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Never stop holding Paddy Gower, John Campbell and Duncan Garner to account for this terrible outcome.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:20am
- VicParking
  
  If the Company was Shonky on Heath and Safety where was the Union, AKA Andrew Little
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:47am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Espiner asked Little exactly that. That is, why was Little saying 24 hours after the tragedy that Pike River had an active H&S committee & the mine was no worse than any other WCoast mines.
    
    Today, Angry on behalf of the families has decided he has to play politics. The reality was that as the union leader Andy sat on his hands, but now he has a chance to rewrite history, by whitewashing over his part in the mine’s history & blame the previous government.
    
    Andy, that is shameful, cheap politics!
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:23am
  - Pascal
    
    Remember what Brent Forrester revealed. There was a walk-out by 10 of the miners due to safety and conditions. The EPMU, with Andrew Little a union leader at the time, insisted that PRC ‘ had a good health and safety committee that’s been very active.’
    
    Late November, 2010 the Dominion Post ran an article that said: “Any suggestion of obvious or known safety lapses does not find traction with unionised staff or union leader Andrew Little.’
    
    Even after the first days of the accident his words to the NZ Herald was “nothing unusual about Pike River or this mine that we’ve been particularly concerned about”.
    
    This, from the union and (at the time) Union Leader tasked with ensuring workers safety, even after the workers walked out for safety reasons.
    
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    November 19, 2018 10:44am
    - sooty
      
      Who was the health and safety officer and did he get a payout?
      
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      November 19, 2018 12:28pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The Health and Safety Manager at Pike River was one Neville Rockhouse. I’m not sure of that’s the same Neville Rockhouse who sadly lost a son in the Pike River disaster, and wants the mine re-entered; it could just be a coincidence.
        
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        November 19, 2018 3:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is the same.
        He had 2 sons working in the mine.
        One got out.
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7934427/A-vindication-bringing-no-joy
        
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        November 19, 2018 3:38pm
    - flipper
      
      Oh to be a defence lawyer if the Crown ever decided to press charges against someone.
      The defence would subpoena Little and question him, on his post accident comments. Not as a Minister or MP. but as a Trade Union blood sucker. Apologise? Why? For Lord only knows what. Too much compensation vis a vis other accident victims families?
      
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      November 19, 2018 2:27pm
- G152
  
  TOW has a baby
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:57am
- KevOB
  
  Typical of the unionist-labour class of bullies.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:03am
- godruelf
  
  Any chance of sending Bernie and friends to Argentina for a long time to mobilise a families over there to get the Sub recovered.
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:52am
thedavincimode

Did anyone happen to wander along to the gay pride parade meeting for a laugh and get to see the punch-up?
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November 19, 2018 8:03am
- Biscuit
  
  davinci, I believe the vernacular for a punch-up is ‘Fisting’.
  
  I’ll get my coat…
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:08am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Apparently the punch up involved an elderly amputee and a trans woman. Sounds like the beginning of a bad joke which pretty much sums up the whole thing.
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:31am
    - alex Masterley
      
      It isn’t something you could dream up. Just shows what a bunch of numpties the pride organisation is.
      Another group who could not, looking at them, find their generous arses with both hands.
      
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      November 19, 2018 8:38am
      - Prince
        
        What happens when the perpetually outraged meet.
        
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        November 19, 2018 8:48am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Is there such a thing as excruciatingly painful imagery?
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:20am
    - stuarts-burgers
      
      It would also seem that the elderly amputee was upset the trans ” women ” would not ” Speak English” when requested.
      The Police when along to see if the could bridge the gap only to tactfully withdraw when they saw it was a “cluster whatsit”
      Most entertaining reading I have had in a long time.
      
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      November 19, 2018 8:41am
      - Gravelroad
        
        What happens if there is any unsafe/unlawful/criminal behaviour during the Pride Parade? Will the organisers call for the Police to sort it?
        If so, will the Police be required to quickly change into special, pre-approved T shirts before attending?
        Would be helpful to our society as a whole if some of these narrow-minded, immature, single issue groups could sometimes focus on the bigger picture.
        That’s what the Police have to achieve – maintaining safety and public order for everyone.
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:00am
  - thedavincimode
    
    I believe the vernacular for a punch-up is ‘Fisting’
    
    Biscuit, it might be a ‘fisting’ if the attacker used an artificial arm but I’m not sure what it would be if an artificial leg were deployed.
    
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    November 19, 2018 10:17am
- RightNow
  
  Apparently blue is no longer in their rainbow
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:05am
- Huevon
  
  I’ve said it on here before, this is the melieu of our PM and her B-grade celebrity boyfriend. The Grey Lynn/Ponsonby set are weird, just like Jacinda.
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:48am
  - RF
    
    Huevon
    
    Pon my word, surely you don’t mean the serial fornicator.
    
    Pass me my smelling salts I am shocked.
    
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    November 19, 2018 3:14pm
  - lifesgood
    
    They sure are. I had the misfortune to spend some time with them through a relative. I felt I had landed on another planet. They are a bunch of sanctimonious twats, sipping on lattes wearing designer clothes and shoes and think they are saving the planet I can’t stand them. Cindy is typical of them.
    
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    November 20, 2018 2:54am
Maxx

Herald reports that rents rising faster under Labour than under National. Nats claim that this is due to policies hitting landlords in the pocket. Twitfords response is that this is supply and demand.
While this is part of it, all of the extra costs that are being pushed onto Landlords like they are a never-ending supply of money are the main cause. Twitfords response makes him sound like a 16-year-old who heard supply and demand mentioned in a high school economics class.
The man is either incompetent and we’re all going to pay for it, or he is complicit and we’re all going to pay.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12161903
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November 19, 2018 8:05am
- artemisia
  
  Rents are spiralling up, and the peak letting season is not yet upon us. Mr Twyford says, not his problem, it’s all due to supply and demand and 9 years of neglect. Nothing to do with his government’s current and proposed compliance and cost increases filtering through to rents, of course.
  
  Interestingly the article refers to some proposed compliance and costs – as if they are done deals. Does the writer know something the rest of us don’t?
  
  The Government has …. introduced stricter standards for insulation and heating, got rid of “loss ring fencing” for landlords ……
  
  In fact these proposals are just a fraction of what this government wants to do. How about remove terminations for no reason, and require certain specific reasons only as determined by the government. (Huh? Of course there’s always a reason.) How about tenants have the right to renew a lease, like forever? Keep the llama in the backyard? Knock up a few shelves, paint the bathroom purple.
  
  Renter advocates might regret persuading the government to accept their wish list as supply and demand get further out of kilter, rents rise, average tenants don’t get a look in, social housing lists continue to rise fast. Speaking of which, MSD tells us –
  
  There are 9,536 applications on the Housing Register as at 30 September 2018, an increase of 63.2 percent compared to the same time last year (i.e. 30 September 2017).
  
  I rest my case.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:10am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Just wait until they open the floodgates to bring in illegal immigrants from countries where working for a living is not part of their culture.
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:16am
    - sooty
      
      I would have thought that most people have to get up and go to work to buy food or scrabble around to gather/grow food, or go hungry!
      I think it’s only the refuges that want everything delivered on a plate for ever and a day and import family as well!
      
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      November 19, 2018 8:34am
      - igm
        
        They are bogus refugees . . . definitely not genuine, in fact they are vile leeches.
        
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        November 19, 2018 8:38am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “How about tenants have the right to renew a lease, like forever?”
    How about the land lord just wants out of the rental market?
    Wishes to sell and send postcards to his grandkids from the Bahamas for the rest of his life?
    After all, it (the house) is HIS property, belongs to HIM….doesn’t it?
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:38am
    - artemisia
      
      How about the land lord just wants out of the rental market?
      
      The proposal is that the current situation remains, that is notice can be given if the property is sold with vacant possession. However, currently the notice period is 42 days from going unconditional and proposal is to increase this to 90 days. Plus a few days either side for delivery requirements.
      
      That change, if implemented, would put sale conditions for a tenanted rental on a completely different and adverse basis to other house sales. If government thinks there will not be consequences for tenants they are dreaming.
      
      For example, some possibilities encouraging tenants to leave earlier. Inspections will become monthly and be very specific about what needs to be remedied, with follow up including recourse to the Tenancy Tribunal. Rent will increase as much as possible and as often as possible within the rules. If on a fixed term tenancy and 90 days notice (before the end date) is given tenants who move out earlier will have to pay rent to the end date.
      
      PS Some landlords are female, just saying. Same as gals can be actors. The ‘landlady’ and the ‘actress’ are so 19th century
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:02am
    - mark15
      
      Not with this outfit…
      “All property is theft”
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:30am
    - Piniwi
      
      Strangely RW Capitalist housing be it owned or rented was Labour’s biggest issue leading up to the last election that now is showing the biggest impact from unintended consequences. The rush to make so many changes to the rental market is wrecking havoc leading to a shrinking rental stock rapidly exaggerating rather than solving the problem. Kiwibuld like it’s name sake will never fly while seeming to also suffer from poor vision as we know our iconic bird does. Reality is not something Labour have ever learned to deal with made an even bigger challenge when propped up by a compliant Media party. Realists on the other hand are concerned that in just 1 short year how bad things have become while being deeply concerned for how bad they are going to get before the LCD realize only dreams are free.
      
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      November 19, 2018 11:20am
  - KevOB
    
    Add uncertainty, like possible tenant problems, +10%. The COL have increased landlord costs and risk –> higher rents. Even a ….. rat could have told Twyford that.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:09am
  - MickMac
    
    HNZ needs to build a factory near Hamilton to build 500-1000 2-3-4 bed roomed, well insulated properly made Kit Set Houses pa. Then HNZ can rent them out to Kiwi citizens who need accom.
    It will set the standard for rental homes and with good behaviour bonds will settle the underclass and protect their children’s learning environments.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:57am
    - artemisia
      
      Slight problem. Over half of approved social housing applicants are adults, no children, so 1 beddie is what they are entitled to. And almost all are single adults under 65. Don’t need many off their meds to sink the ‘hood.
      
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      November 19, 2018 10:04am
stoptheboats

Scene 2 Premier House
Cindy arrives home from APEK

” hi Klark hi Kneve,wassup? Lawns look a bit scruffy

K- yeah, market is a bit tight at the moment after the last banana shipment – Hey awesome news eh, WE ARE GOING IN !

C- sorry,going in to town to get married?

K- Haha no,into the mine,you know , Bike River or something

C- hells bells,who okd that,not 2 Pies/Milkshakes again I hope?

K – nah at cabinet while you were away on holiday AngryAndy thumped tables,rattled bars on cages and Winston blessed it too!

C – did Angry say if it’s safe to re enter and can we afford it?

K – yep GimpyGarners dribbled about it too. The mine is chock full of explosive methane, theres no escape route and 29 miners were killed previously plus near misses,all for a bargain $29 million plus gst

C – hah I get it , reading between the lines it’s as Safe As. But I’m not taking any chances so we will get ILG to read the file notes too.

K – anyway what’s goss from Apek?

C – bit of a fizzer really. I sat next to the wife of PM Fukkalofa of Kiribati and discussed climate change .She said it was all bullshit,except their plane had to wait til low tide before it could use the runway…
Kneve – (panicky) wheres mum?

Cindy~ right here

Kneve, is that you? Haven’t seen you for ages,forgotten what you looked like!
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November 19, 2018 8:05am
- Inandout
  
  Klark, what is that white powder on your undies?
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:09am
DJ Ward

Did a couple of comments at the Standard last night.
Literally had 2 flees crawling on my arm this morning.
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November 19, 2018 8:07am
- Harkman
  
  We might have to quarantine you.?
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:50am
- waldonz
  
  I gave up visiting that place when I read a comment from that contributor who calls himself Mickey Savage describing Jacinda Ardern as a ‘political phenomenon’.
  
  I felt like replying ‘So, has your political phenomenon figured out the difference between GDP and Crown Accounts yet?’.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:22am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Phenonmen is right. Many times I’ve listened to the utterances of the Thick One and thought “Fucking unreal”.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:43am
    - RF
      
      Let’s face it… the knuckle dragger known as Mickey Savage is a very challenged individual. Actually he is thick as a sack full of hammers.
      
      He was not wanted by Fraser House so is sucking up to the commie chick to get a foot in the back door.
      
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      November 19, 2018 3:19pm
Inandout

Is the Garner AM showing signs of winding down for good? It takes lots of well paid people to keep a show running, and this morning it was stacked with negative people. Ruby lips has (this morning) been replaced by another ‘diverse’ female. They do have an advantage over the appalling TVOne Breakfast though.
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November 19, 2018 8:07am
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

Will IL-G be dreading the PM’s return?

Barry Soper’s missus writes:
‘Iain Lees-Galloway’s got to get the boot. He’s unraveling like a cheap stitch. His decision to give Karel Sroubrek New Zealand residency is unbelievable. It’s nice to look like a bunch of hipsters. Love the beards. Love the designer clothes. Would love it even more if they could look like they knew what they were doing….’

Ouch!
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November 19, 2018 8:07am
- Surely Knott
  
  This article is also worth a read. Two cases of criminals due for deportation treated very differently by the crown. Why? Michael Woodhouse says he wants to know who is in Sroubeks corner. Good question .
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/108654814/National-questions-why-two-immigration-cases-treated-differently?fbclid=IwAR1st1qD_9DfRExpO614Rl-ViQrITokFErrFpn__t108qUF7WknRqVynm2M
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:32am
Paulus

Am aware of a retired local business couple in Tauranga who have finally shed their tenants in three rental properties in Mt Maunganui and they are tidying them up for AirBNB.
They will watch carefully the number of dates they use each house so that they can take advantage of cross house swapping within the tax limits.
They do not expect to make any money but will use the proceeds to spruce up each house and pay the exorbitant Rates.
There is no intention of re renting again. At the appropriate time each of their three children will each become owners but stipulating not for rental use.
The will remain empty to suit their purpose when on short term let or family use.
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November 19, 2018 8:14am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Likewise – holiday rentals only for us. Tenants were already too much trouble before any new rules. Thank christ we can do without the arseholes.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:41am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Their houses/property, just like their TV, where they can watch any channel, they can do as THEY please with THEIR property.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:42am
Philview

I listened to RNZ this morning and the interview with Simon Bridges and direction of questions made my blood boil. I know we talk about biased media a lot on here but we are getting to a point where it is beyond biased. It starting to feel we are moving into an era of “Putin” style media where attacks on the opposition are relentless and extreme. Simon Bridges was on top of his game this morning and I thought showed real integrity.
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November 19, 2018 8:17am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Most journos love getting a resignation ‘scalp’. Proves their relevance.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes,
  contrast it with how gentle Espiner was with Andrew Little…and his role as head of EPMU when he assured NZ that Pike River Mine had a good H&S Committee.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018671786/real-facts-of-pike-river-mine-disturbing-andrew-little
  
  How much investigation had Little done on what was really going on down at Pike River —- Nothing, it would appear. He reckons he knew nothing about the many recorded incidents (at least 1000 mentioned at the Royal Commission) until after the explosions.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:28am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “I listened to RNZ this morning”
  Are you a masochist or something?
  My radio doesn’t even know where it is on the dial.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:28am
- hullkiwi
  
  Bridges was good against Ferguson. Espiner also made Little look foolish over Pike River, with Little seeking to politicise the whole issue yet again.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:30am
  - Philview
    
    I didn’t hear the Espiner interview which may have added some balance to the morning.
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:40am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Espiner and balance in the same sentence?
      
      Yer ‘aving a larf mate!
      
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      November 19, 2018 10:29am
  - sooty
    
    Little with control of the Pike river rentry, is like putting the fox into the hen house!
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Match to blue touch paper perhaps?
      
      Retire to safe distance?
      
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      November 19, 2018 10:30am
Simon

Jonestown the socialist utopia where the kool aid supplemented the turnip diet.
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November 19, 2018 8:28am
oldpark

Been reading that the clown Justin Lester known as Wellingtons’Mayor is going to run again in 2019. To fix Wellingtons’traffic problems made worse by him and his antideluvian Council. Case in point they were against the Basin Reserve Flyover out of Mount Victoria Tunnel.
Since the previous “Mayor” Wade-Brown from the Far Left Lunatic Green Party moved on nothing much with her vision to turn Wellington into a City for people on bycycles has changed.
In fact it has gotten even worse. The Lantered jaw Liebour pest Lester in bed with the Lunatic Greens wants to dump over 600 car parks in favour for bycyclists. not a word about the many businesses that pay his wages that will have to be closed down. Maybe the few people on bycycles who might ride on the proposed lanes might stop off to shop. Certainly not motorists ,there will be no where to park
Looking ahead if Lester gets back in again. Two things will happen . rates will skyrocket,and Wellingtons’ratepayer debt will know no boundaries. Lester a typical socialist loves to spend other peoples money. Just check out his spending track record ,in the last short time as Mayor he has ridden roughshod over ratepayers.
With much more to come.What an indictment of the nest of Liebour/Green bludgers in Wellington City Council who totally support him,allowing him to dictate totally and threaten how Wellington City and suburbs should be controlled,in the vision of the last Mayoral Pest Wade-Brown.
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November 19, 2018 8:30am
- MrLovebucket
  
  And even if said cyclists do stop for a bit of a shop. They will have to carry purchases out in their hands as the nanny-state has banned plastic bags
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:33am
  - jcuk
    
    I got my groceries delivered by the outfit which lords about doing away with plastic bags. I expected it they would come in a reused cardboard box which in turn I could put out for re-cycling?
    No Way! it came in half a dozen paper bags useful to do nothing without handles and likely took more energy than a hundred plastic to make …. GHU!!!
    
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    November 19, 2018 10:01am
- stoptheboats
  
  is he the same Mayor that canned the annual fireworks display on 5 November and shifted it to Mowri New Year? did Mowri have fireworks ? what a clown
  
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  November 19, 2018 1:29pm
krazykiwi

I hope these guys succeed:

5 male ad execs are considering a discrimination claim after their gay female boss said she would ‘obliterate’ her company’s reputation as a haven for straight, white men

The remarks were made publicly, and when these chaps asked the HR department for some details on the intent of the CEO’s comments, they were sacked.
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November 19, 2018 8:35am
hullkiwi

Caught an interesting piece last night. Appears Derek Handley was made a NZ citizen last year by Tracey Martin, a few weeks after taking office. This was despite Handley not meeting the residency criteria for citizenship.

Seems Curran took the fall for others….?
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November 19, 2018 8:35am
- sooty
  
  Clare certainly has worn the brunt for the stuffups in the Labour party!
  Another one who was told from on high to do something and has worn the flak for it.
  The stunned mullet look was the result of having to take the blame for someone elses stuff ups!
  Slease Gallopaway is another one that got told what his position was!
  Corruption is what it is!
  Who is been protected?
  Why?
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:00am
  - BassilFawlty
    
    Reading between the lines has led me to exactly the same conclusion.
    
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    November 19, 2018 11:09am
- MCos
  
  Handley arrived in NZ when he was four and has spent most of his life here. Technically he didn’t qualify for citizenship at the time he aquired it, but it would have been churlish to deny him, in my opinion.
  
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  November 19, 2018 11:13am
  - Boris Piscina
    
    Agree. Much as I have no time for that screeching Harridan Tracey Martin, Handley grew up here from being a preschooler, went to school and varsity here, and has a New Zealand accent.
    
    That’s good enough for me.
    
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    November 20, 2018 8:59am
- Surely Knott
  
  Looks like Handley and his wife started a Charity (Aerea) in 2015 that is involved in Mayoral race political polling that was reported on the spinoff, and get out the vote campaigns aimed at youth including Virgin Voters Collective , and gave seed funding to an app that matched young voters with policies and candidates. And then came a sweet job offer after the election.
  http://www.aera.nz/civic-engagement
  
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  November 19, 2018 11:58am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Quite..
    
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    November 19, 2018 1:15pm
secondcumming

‘People that can *F – OFF* this week’

Communist Chinese Operatives covertly letting down peoples car tyres …..(Yello Ops ?)

Cyclists who exhibit extreme ‘Road-Rage’ when a motorist nudges their bike….. (it was a fucking ACCIDENT, OK?)

People waving placards ‘SAVE THE UNBORN CHILD’ …….(get a life FFS!)

Fat chicks roosting on bar-stools knocking back ‘Oyster Shooters’……(honestly girls, it’s not a good look)

People waiting at bus stops.. (lifes losers!)

Georgina Beyer… (so last bloody century)

People with ‘nut allergies’ ….(pains in the arse)

By no means a comprehensive list, and some will be required to *f-off* next week as well.

More to follow…….
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November 19, 2018 8:37am
- krazykiwi
  
  People waving placards ‘SAVE THE UNBORN CHILD’ …….(get a life FFS!)
  
  They have a life, and they’re trying to save another.
  
  And if your car ‘nudges’ my bike, the bordering-on-pacifist kk is pretty much guaranteed to go postal. Just sayin’ 😉
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:43am
  - secondcumming
    
    Yeah okay, but how do you feel about those fat chicks drinking Oyster Shooters?
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:46am
    - krazykiwi
      
      They can ‘*F – OFF* this week’, and the next, and the next … 🙂
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:11am
- Biscuit
  
  A tad harsh on the ‘nut allergies’ folk, secondcumming!
  
  What did one of them do to you to get your undies in a knot?
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:47am
  - secondcumming
    
    ever owned a restaurant, bikkie?
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:54am
    - Biscuit
      
      Ah, okies, so you’ve had a few folk turn up demanding to know the ingredients of each and every thing your menu offers?
      
      Got it!
      
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      November 19, 2018 8:58am
    - Swifty
      
      To be fair, my 12-year old son will likely die if he eats cashews, we are informed.
      
      So forgive me, we take a very keen interest in what he eats when out.
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:21am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        So, if he does not eat cashews is he assured of everlasting life.
        I know that if I eat brazil nuts or hazel nuts I will die. And I also know that if I do not eat brazil or hazel nuts I will also die.
        
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        November 19, 2018 10:49pm
  - Debbie
    
    Agreed, my boyfriend is allergic to peanuts and whilst it’s a bit inconvenient (peanut m&ms, and reeces peanut butter cups are my absolute favourites and now I’m afraid to even eat them myself if he’s around) I wouldn’t hold it against him!!
    
    What on earth are oyster shooters though? They sound messy.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:21pm
- Harkman
  
  Last week you said “people that use Lynx Africa” I read that 2 seconds after putting some on ?
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:52am
  - secondcumming
    
    BOL!!
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:56am
  - Biscuit
    
    Harkman, years and years ago I used to work on the 7th Floor of a building in downtown Wellington.
    
    The joke was that you could enter the foyer and know IMMEDIATELY if (Name deleted, ha) was at work already.
    
    I swear that chap SHOWERED in deodorant each a.m.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Harkman, forgot to change your gold mine undies this morn?
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:07am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Underwear fetishism induced by bilaterally decreased cerebral blood flow in the temperoccipital lobe.
      Masuda K, Ishitobi Y, Tanaka Y, Akiyoshi J.
      BMJ Case Reports. 2014.
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:24am
      - Harkman
        
        You’re an encyclopedia of knowledge Maggy.
        
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        November 19, 2018 10:16am
      - stephieboy
        
        An encyclopedia of ignorance I would say!
        
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        November 19, 2018 11:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Harkman
        I’m trying to comprehend why an anonymous troll would request details of my underwear on a public forum?
        
        Remember I’m not a gorgeous wee thing.
        
        I am an overweight matron of advanced years, hitched for 40 years to a chap who wouldn’t have a clue about the sizing of underwear.
        
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        November 19, 2018 11:36am
    - Harkman
      
      Um I’m not sure how to respond to this one SB.
      
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      November 19, 2018 10:14am
      - Biscuit
        
        Stephieboy, be nice…
        
        I have it on good authority that Maggy is going shopping this week for Christmas presents for everyone in Kiwiblog.
        
        If she reads your putdown, she might take umbrage (‘Bring that umbrage back!) and just nix the whole idea…
        
        The horror!
        
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        November 19, 2018 11:36am
      - sooty
        
        Yes, she will smear red hot chillies in your undies stephie!
        
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        November 19, 2018 12:40pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Men with long hair that tie it up in a “man bun”. This practice is 100x worse if the numptie is over 30.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:57am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    In fact, make that simply any man with long hair (anywhere near their shoulders).
    
    Oh and men with beards as well.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:00am
    - Lance
      
      Cause beards are unnatural
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:29am
  - Komata
    
    The following, FWIW: Businessmen in their 30’s who think it is soooo cool to ‘dress down’ and skateboard to work in high-rise office blocks, and those of a similar age who do the same on oversized scooters with enlarged front wheels.
    
    Mummies who ‘Insist’ in riding scooters the same colour as those their little darlings own.
    
    Grow up, people, your childhoods gave long gone and you look both pathetic and wannabe.
    
    Not a good look or example for your kids.
    
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    November 19, 2018 11:08am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Got over that one when the oldest son decided to be a Metal fan. To be fair he has the hair for it which is more than I can say !
    
    Ties it back neatly when working or competing.
    
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    November 19, 2018 11:27am
  - lifesgood
    
    Dreadlocks! Filthy, dirty, mangey things.
    
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    November 20, 2018 3:02am
- JIV
  
  The three remaining Irwins who are riding the coat tails of Steve for all its worth. Especially that smug faced wannabe Bindi.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:21am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The people on the Moola advertisement who are all white clear skinned literate well-spoken millennials who may make use of the ‘lending service’ but not one brown eyed tattooed pasifica who I am almost certain make up their core of their high quality applicants and customer base.
  
  Racist profiling white-washing at it’s best! What would Hone say?
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:37am
  - Komata
    
    Paulus
    
    What would Hone say?
    
    How about ‘Gimme the munnie you #$%##@& mofos, yuh owe me cos of your – $*€/÷=# honkey colonialism’.
    
    Sounds ’bout right methinks.
    
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    November 19, 2018 11:11am
    - sooty
      
      What trough is he in theese days?
      
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      November 19, 2018 12:42pm
Rich Prick

I don’t want anyone apologising on my behalf to The Families. They may be Andrew’s political darlings, but I’m over them.
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November 19, 2018 8:47am
- KevOB
  
  The Greens should have their pay docked for putting the kibosh on a safe open cast mine. The only way approved by mining engineers when gas producing faultlines are known to exist.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:22am
  - freethinker
    
    Only thing worth docking on the Greens is their head.
    
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    November 19, 2018 12:42pm
Notsofast

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People ask what happened in the Lundy murders, and this testimony from the 2002 trial illuminates

Prosecutor Butler cross examines the business partner who has name suppression to this day.

“Come to the 29th of August 2000 – did u hv a visitor that day in relation to the root stock?
Yes 1 did,

And can u tell us something abt that mtg?
The supplier came to our property and was 5 little agitated that he hednt bn paid for hi root stock, at which stage I informed him that paymt
for the root stock was not due until the 20th of Sept as per the S & P agreement.

I believe he was under some financial pressure himself and he proceeded to take product out of our chiller unit that was not his.

Did u do anythg when he started to do that?
Yes I did, the man was considerably taller and heavier than myself and I felt intimidated so I made a call to the local Police stn
and they sent out two constables.

Did u let Mark Lundy know this had happd, or try to?
In the afternoon I rang the Lundy residence, and was talking to Christine, and mentioned to her what had happd, because I wanted to find out
how Mr Bland’s enquiries had bn going.

Did Christine say anythg to u abt the whereabouts of Mark Lundy?
Yes she did, she mentioned to me that Mark was in Wgtn on business and would not be home until the next day.”

From this exchange we learn two things.

1. There was financial stress all around.

2, If this guy didn’t know Mark was out of town then essentially no one but his wife knew.

Later that evening Christine and Amber were tragically killed by someone looking for Mark, in an endeavour to persuade him to pay up the invoice to this business partner, who kept allaying his many creditors with this golden 550k invoice, just the right figure to supply rootstock for a 120 acre vineyard planting, but not yet due

This looks like a narrative that makes sense. The idea that you kill your family in the hope you commit the perfect crime, and collect a woefully insufficient 250k insurance to salvage the enterprise makes, well, no sense at all.

Remember this latest appeal has been dismissed on one ground only, the testimony from the 2015 trial that PURE CNS tissue (not brain or Christine’s) is on the shirt. This is a false scientific finding that is being shredded as I type.
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November 19, 2018 8:52am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Lundy did it. End of story.
  Add your name to secondcumming’s list of people who can ‘fuck off’ this week.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:02am
- stephieboy
  
  notsofast , there must be a serial killer at large what with so many innocent!
  
  Bain, Lundy, Tamihere, Mac Donald, Watson etc..
  
  Now, why did the Courts and two Juries miss those points presumably raised by Lundy’s defence?
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:02am
  - Notsofast
    
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    They were not raised at either trial I believe. The trials were always looking at the wrong information, this is common enough when the police are prosecuting the wrong people. A better model is seen in series 2 of Making a Murderer, where Kathleen Zellner as defence attorney gets on her steed and solves the crime. In the 2015 trial David Hislop for the defence managed to find two idiots who dined with the prosecution then stood in court agreeing it was PURE CNS tissue, something which is factually impossible. With friends like that….
    It is all in the numerous files, and all being processed for the correction of the public record. No one should fear a damn thing from the whole truth.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:11am
  - backster
    
    Din’t worry your party are setting a branch bureaucracy to find them innocent so Andrew can let em out.
    
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    November 19, 2018 10:34am
- Rich Prick
  
  Look on the bright side, prison has done wonders for his figure.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:04am
  - Notsofast
    
    I agree with that, a few of the prosecutors will benefit from the regime lol.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:12am
- Notsofast
  
  Just to clarify, these two visitors were not owed the 550k, they were owed 18k and left with a postdated cheque that later cleared.
  The 550k was for processing the cuttings to the planting stage by this business partner.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    Notsofast , the defence and you must have a list of suspects.
    
    Tell us about them?
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:10am
    - Notsofast
      
      Yes there are 4 uncleared suspects, who have nothing to fear from a constabulary keen to sweep all under the carpet.
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:13am
      - stephieboy
        
        Notsofast, ” keen to sweep under the carpet”
        
        Another conspiracy much like the ‘doctored ” Brian tissue evidence?
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:20am
      - Notsofast
        
        By keen to sweep under the carpet I mean they do not want the killers found, this would expose their ineptitude in jailing Mark Lundy. I seem to have difficulty explaining this to you people.
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:26am
      - Swifty
        
        You mean it’s a CONSPIRACY?
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:36am
      - Notsofast
        
        I would point to the prosecution of Robert Conchie Harris. This was by a private citizen, yet a jail term of 8 1/2 years was imposed.
        The trial of Malcolm Rewa is happening because Teina Pora has been compensated and apologised to, not because the police were hankering to solve the crime. Len Demler killed his daughter and son in law and was never prosecuted. Ewan MacDonald was acquitted because he had an unbreakable alibi and Sue Schwalger IMMEDIATELY announced they would not search (for the killer and the getaway driver).
        I don’t see a conspiracy, but I see a catastrophic systemic failure that leaves killers to kill again.
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:43am
- waldonz
  
  Notsofast – how many tinfoil hats do you own?
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:25am
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    Tinfoil hats are worn by people who have no scientific evidence backing their claims. I can answer any question on Lundy, but no one asks.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:27am
    - Swifty
      
      What was the ethnicity of the hooker he was with?
      
      Does he like his hookers skinny or well-upholstered?
      
      How much did Lundy usually pay the hookers he frequented?
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:48am
      - Notsofast
        
        Even this might be put in perspective. As I understand it marital relations were in recess due to fertility issues and a concomitant reduction in libido. Mark was 40 and not having fertility issues. The activity is legal, and usually not publicised. There are all types of marriages out there, but I do understand that kiwibloggers are uniformly faithful to their one monogamous spouse till death do them part.
        
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        November 19, 2018 10:26am
      - Swifty
        
        Did Christine know that Mark used hookers?
        
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        November 19, 2018 10:28am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I can answer any question on Lundy, but no one asks.
      
      The reason that no one askes Notsofast, is that no one but you and a few Lundy allies cares.
      
      Lundy has twice been tried by juries of his peers, and twice been found guilty. FWIW, I agree with those jurors, and there is no doubt in my mind that Lundy is where he deserves to be for an especially brutal murder.
      
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      November 19, 2018 9:56am
      - Notsofast
        
        Then you should find an ignore function. The case is too interesting to let drop. Almost Shakespearean in its sweep, but you are certainly right that no one cares. The Americans are very interested because it duplicates a huge number of cases they wrestle with but here is one that they can actually contribute to.
        The current appeal dismissal is so badly conceived it will not stand up in the supreme court. If it does, it simply means the supreme court have no interest in facts.
        Then off to the CCRC, and a chance to find if Andrew Little has any guts. So look to bury your head, the program rolls on with or without you.
        
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        November 19, 2018 10:18am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Maybe a non sequitur but Arthur Allan Thomas was twice tried and twice found guilty by a Jury.
        
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        November 19, 2018 11:52am
      - Notsofast
        
        That is an important point to remind people who trust juries and appeal courts. Of course when the police plant evidence the courts are handicapped.
        In Lundy they did not plant evidence, but they withheld evidence that there is a complete catalogue of. This will come out. They will say it didn’t matter, no bearing on the case, but they are wrong.
        
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        November 19, 2018 12:18pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        KS – correction: TWO especially brutal murders.
        Just saying.
        
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        November 19, 2018 4:08pm
      - softail 1450
        
        K S ,poor old Mark he could have driven a F1 car if he’d not decided to become a murdering scumbag, according to the cops anyway ,he piloted that big ungainly falcon better than any supercar driver ever could have .
        Can NotSoFast explain that away easily?
        
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        November 19, 2018 5:51pm
    - artemisia
      
      Once upon a time I would have scoffed at the very thought of police behaving badly around evidence. Then I read A City Possessed (Peter Ellis case).
      
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      November 19, 2018 1:01pm
      - Notsofast
        
        The problem is changing tack, too many reputations, too many relatives of victims gathered in the huddle.
        Look where the insurance money goes, in Ellis this was the lump sum payments, in Lundy it went to the mother then down to the siblings when she died. Don’t expect them to show interest in the truth and Mark Lundy’s fate. Very complex all the way through once the police get the wrong people.
        I can’t follow why everyone thinks this is such a great giggle, but they do on this forum.
        
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        November 19, 2018 1:13pm
Simon

Bridges: Good work though man, that’s a lot of money.

Ross: Yeah they’re good people. Now there’s no catch or anything to it. You may recall at the dinner they did discuss candidacy, and another Chinese candidate.

Bridges: Two MPs, yeah.

Ross: Colin Zheng? The younger one, he’s put his name in for Candidates’ College and so I assume he’ll get through and we’ll make some decisions as a Party further down the track as to what we want to do with candidates.
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November 19, 2018 9:11am
- Justitia
  
  Yes Simon, and we also have senior National MPs parroting CCP talking points on the South China Sea and Uighur concentration camps. They are delivering!
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:34am
  - kowtow
    
    We can count ourselves lucky , with all this talk about the few paltry millions we taxpayers contributed for Maseratis at APEC in PNG , the Chinese have only bought a couple of National MPs here in Aotearoa formerly New Zealand ,over
    in PNG they’ve basically bought the whole fucking country.
    
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    November 19, 2018 12:56pm
cas

Just got a coffee from the coffee van at the beach. Owner was telling me about the inspection by MPI and how he now has to do things like wash his hands with soap not sanitiser, write down every time he cleans the bench, not sell cake and biscuits which aren’t wrapped in plastic, develop policies for Africa etc. What the hell are we coming to or have we got there already?
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November 19, 2018 9:19am
- Rich Prick
  
  I thought plastic was supposed to be pure evil.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:37am
  - cas
    
    Apparently the official was not worried about the environment.
    
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    November 19, 2018 9:45am
- RW Capitalist
  
  If you think that has got bad
  Go talk to your pharmacist about annual audits.
  Demands to replace equipment in EXCELLENT condition (just old).
  Repainting the pharmacy (is in excellent condition)
  etc etc
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:25am
  - KevOB
    
    There is an officious personality type which provides these inspectors. They feel good by putting down others. Any fault will do particularly if it is one they perceive.
    Some became IRD staffers but did not last long as they attempted to terrorise the taxpayers they had access to.
    
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    November 19, 2018 11:19am
    - Viking2
      
      Mostly Saffa’s as well.
      
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      November 19, 2018 8:57pm
- KevOB
  
  So beachside coffee vans are now Primary Industries?
  
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  November 19, 2018 11:13am
kevn

@cas… I hope the worthy vendor doesn’t breathe on his wares. Shock horror.
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November 19, 2018 9:28am
krazykiwi

If you’re looking to give a book for a Christmas gift, this I highly recommend this one:

Has the percentage of the world population that lives in extreme poverty almost doubled, almost halved or stayed the same over the past 20 years? When the Swedish statistician and public health expert Hans Rosling began asking people that question in 2013, he was astounded by their responses. Only 5% of 1,005 Americans got the right answer: Extreme poverty has been cut almost in half. A chimpanzee would do much better, he pointed out mischievously, by picking an answer at random. So people are worse than ignorant: They believe they know many dire things about the world that are, in fact, untrue.
Before his untimely death last year, Rosling (with his son and daughter-in-law as co-authors) published a magnificent book arguing against such reflexive pessimism. Its title says it all: “Factfulness: Ten Reasons We’re Wrong About the World—and Why Things Are Better Than You Think.”

Get it from Amazon.
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November 19, 2018 9:35am
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND: Belatedly … abolishing urban limits and properly debt financing infrastructure … to ALLOW affordable new housing to be built …

… Essential reading ! …

Housing analyst ( Economist … Rodney Dickens ) says soaring land prices Auckland’s key housing obstacle | Catherine Harris | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108676571/housing-analyst-says-soaring-land-prices-aucklands-key-housing-obstacle
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… with extensive additional postings at MacroBusiness Australia today …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/links-19-november-2018/#comment-3229059

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/links-19-november-2018/#comment-3229062

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/links-19-november-2018/#comment-3229065
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… 2 plus years ago … May 2016 …

Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
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November 19, 2018 9:45am
- Cobolt24
  
  Rodney Dickens says the real problem inhibiting affordable housing is the cost of sections, that is the one key thing the Government can do to solve the affordability problem
  
  —Link below —
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/96936/rodney-dickens-says-real-problem-inhibiting-affordable-housing-cost-sections-and-one
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:51am
secondcumming

Feeling a ‘tad guilty’ this morning to be honest.
Got invited to a friends place for a BBQ last night and ended up stealing some of their kitchen utensils. I’ve always been a whisk taker.
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November 19, 2018 9:51am
cmm

T SECRET SECRET
APEC DINNER TAPE #3

Karen Pence: Hello I’m Karen from America.
Jacinda Ardern: I’m Jacinda from Aotearoa.
Karen Pence: Oh thank God, I thought I was going to sit next to that awful rude commie woman from New Zealand.
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November 19, 2018 9:58am
Poppa

So where is that report from Immigration about our mate the drug smuggler?

Surely they haven’t buried that with all the other bodies already.

Not that we will be told, but it would be quite nice as a law abiding citizen for me to know why the decision was made & what will happen now.

If I was in charge the decision would have taken 5 mins & would be gone burger but I doubt that will happen as the smell is too strong on this
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November 19, 2018 10:20am
Fletch

Happy International Men’s Day today fellas.

http://internationalmensday.com
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November 19, 2018 10:23am
- DJ Ward
  
  Someone downvoted that?
  
  OK who’s the closet man hater with 6 or more cats?
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:47pm
secondcumming

Hmmmm…..

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1064270046082547715
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November 19, 2018 10:42am
- Swifty
  
  Indeed….
  
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  November 19, 2018 10:56am
godruelf

Heard Jimmy Two Mums is on his way to Antartica. Hope he’s got a heated bike seat for his Green trip through the dry valleys
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November 19, 2018 11:36am
- rangitoto
  
  How many tons of CO2 will be spewed out?
  
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  November 19, 2018 11:46am
  - RF
    
    No no… it’s ok when the left do it…
    
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    November 19, 2018 12:11pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I’m very happy to help pay for Green MP’s to go to Antartica. I’m very unhappy about having to also pay for them to come back.
  
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  November 19, 2018 1:44pm
big bruv

Colonisation is to blame.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/108693261/trial-of-14yearold-accused-of-murder-gets-underway
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November 19, 2018 11:55am
kowtow

Both tv stations led their evening “news” broadcasts with the Hawera Lions so called blackface issue . It was of such major national import it was first up…..and many papers also covered it prominently….

……where will the tranny fight at the Queer Folk meeting about Poofy Plods Parading be placed ?

Won’t get a mention , I’d warrant.

Not part of the smash the patriarchy agenda.
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November 19, 2018 1:16pm
rightoverlabour

Poor misunderstood kid. Really didn’t realise that sticking a knife into someone might kill them. Obviously colonisation’s fault.

So this POS is 15 now, the most he’ll get is 14 years, and he’ll be out in about 8.

Better trained, better built, better disposed to kill again.

Hopefully he’ll upset Bubba in jail and not make the 8 years….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/108693261/trial-of-14yearold-accused-of-murder-gets-underway
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November 19, 2018 1:41pm
- Inandout
  
  Oh he may upset Bubba, but so long as the youngster’s arse is available the big fella won’t be too concerned. No permits needed for inter-cell gay parades.
  
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  November 19, 2018 1:47pm
Swifty

Animals:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/108697853/violent-home-invasion-robber-holds-cushion-over-83yearolds-face-threatens-to-stab-him-with-secateurs
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November 19, 2018 1:58pm
- starboard
  
  Worse to come…their sentence. Something like 12 months supervision blah blah.
  What did idiot Little say? Collateral damage?
  The arsehole.
  
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  November 19, 2018 7:24pm
Longknives

A few quick questions for a Monday-

Have New Zealand Police got the brains to remove themselves from any association with that Pride Parade trainwreck?

Was German F3 driver Sophia Floersch doing her lipstick in the mirror when she had that spectacular accident?

Does anyone on the planet actually believe that Jacinda Ardern ‘grew up listening to Metallica’??
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November 19, 2018 2:02pm
- Happychappy
  
  I thought she never listened as she makes out that she knows it all and can’t be told.
  
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  November 19, 2018 3:46pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Metallica? As if…. Wouldn’t you just love a media representative to call the Thick One out and ask her to name the band members and her favorite album of theirs.
  
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  November 19, 2018 7:01pm
Tom Barker

The dignity and gravitas of the Trump administration:

President Donald Trump mocked Rep. Adam Schiff, the California Democrat who is expected to become chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, in a tweet on Sunday, calling him “little Adam Schitt.”
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November 19, 2018 2:23pm
- MickMac
  
  Good for him, Schiff is a shit.
  
  Bring on more TDS……….
  
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  November 19, 2018 4:14pm
  - softail 1450
    
    MickMac,his nick name around DC is “pencil neck”
    I kid you not,what a fricking little POS he is ,on his knees in front of the skelator Pelosi ….
    
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    November 19, 2018 5:58pm
michael_s2

Radio NZ allowed Stephen Mills of UMR to say on its 11.05am weekly politics show that he had heard that Cameron Slater had suffered a stroke at the weekend. Does anyone know if there is any truth in that, and if not what can be done byRadionNZ to correct it without repeating the rumour?
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November 19, 2018 2:37pm
- Poppa
  
  I have no idea, but I don’t think there are any posts from him today so it would not surprise me
  
  I hope he is ok if true, even though I was banned for some unknown reason. I have felt much better after being banned anyway, commenting was always stressful
  
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  November 19, 2018 3:29pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Must be all that stress from caring deeply for his close friend J-L R.
  NZ will be better off, but wouldn’t wish that on the Mrs and kids.
  
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  November 19, 2018 3:57pm
- MrTips
  
  Just listened to the show on RNZ. No mention of Slater at all.
  
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  November 19, 2018 4:27pm
  - michael_s2
    
    It seems RNZ has edited the tape.
    
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    November 19, 2018 7:10pm
- softail 1450
  
  Michael -s2 , how could you tell?
  
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  November 19, 2018 5:59pm
Shaun the Sheep

I know the weather can be unpredictable in Spring, but I was not emotionally prepared to leave the house this morning comfortable in T-shirt, shorts and jandals, and just arrived home teeth chattering at 12 degrees.
Global warming?
I need a hug.
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November 19, 2018 3:51pm
Doubledimp

So, Chippy Hipkins wants all early childcare employees to be registered teachers. Not enough Labour voters so he needs to bribe / conscript more in order to make them dependent on a leftie government. FFS.
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November 19, 2018 4:14pm
- MickMac
  
  That’s what the Unions originally wanted.
  But when push came to shove they found so many weren’t “degree material”.
  They sorted a bridging period to help them get partway there.
  
  Not sure how that’s worked out.
  
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  November 19, 2018 4:16pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right Doubledimp the important thing for Chippie is that all ECE teachers have to have been indoctrinated to get their heads in the right place before they start mind bending the little people. It is scary to even imagine how badly so many children passing through this system will be disadvantaged in the future.
  
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  November 19, 2018 6:47pm
- Tall Man
  
  I just hope i have a lovely person looking after my grandchildren at preschool, with or without a “degree”.
  
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  November 19, 2018 7:29pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    In Labour la la land you need a degree to change a nappy and cuddle a two year old. The reality is that a whole bunch of people are going to be unemployed, and a whole bunch of mothers are going to have nowhere to send their toddlers. If this happens, drop them off that fuckwits house, Chipkins. He looked soooo unconfortable around those toddlers on the TV, probably because they can sense an arsehole from a mile a way.
    
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    November 19, 2018 7:51pm
- Viking2
  
  They want to lower the kid to Educator ratio’s as well. 3 billion I recall was mentioned.
  How about we stop using taxpayers money to pay for the care that mothers should actually do.
  Mothers could make a vocation of raising their own kids.
  Now that would be novel.
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:09pm
Nostradamus

This sets an interesting precedent: Ombudsman clears mayoral decision over commercially sensitive National Stadium reports

The Ombudsman has cleared Auckland Mayor Phil Goff’s decision to grant councillors conditional access to two National Stadium reports. … The councillors were offered physical copies of the full reports to be read and returned. … According to the Ombudsman’s summary, the reports could not be copied, had to be kept in a secure location, and were to be returned to the Governance Director.

And this caught my eye:

Last week, planning committee chairman Chris Darby let slip to the Herald that railway land at Quay Park opposite Spark Arena is the preferred location for a downtown stadium in the confidential pre-feasibility study by PwC. … Councillors Daniel Newman and Chris Fletcher condemned Darby for an apparent breach of a non-disclosure agreement with the release of commercially sensitive information on sites for the location of a new stadium.

Does anyone know what specific matter this non-disclosure agreement relates to, and who the contract parties are? As I understand it, PwC has been paid a lot of money to prepare a report for the council. Surely councillors haven’t signed a non-disclosure agreement in their personal capacity?
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November 19, 2018 5:26pm
DigNap15

I see that apologist on the Herald again this morning saying that we must all learn maori culture as it’s so good.
Just saying Kia Ora and Mount Maunganui is not enough!

Why do they pay him?
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November 19, 2018 6:11pm
- Tall Man
  
  Come on, you’re not really maori until you’ve done a bit of time or is that a bit racist?
  
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  November 19, 2018 7:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Viral graph shows Australia is on brink of house price collapse – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12162132
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Sydney’s house price falls just kicked up another gear | Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-property-market-downturn-sydney-melbourne-home-prices-2018-11
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The HIA warns Australia’s housing construction downturn could get nasty unless credit continues to flow | Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-property-market-credit-squeeze-housing-construction-downturn-2018-11
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November 19, 2018 7:22pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  How many people have visited your blog today?
  
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  November 19, 2018 7:25pm
  - starboard
    
    Just Hugh, its like PhilU’s blog, Whore! Nothing but tumbleweeds and the odd rattlesnake.
    
    “NURSE”
    
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    November 19, 2018 7:42pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Starboard:
      
      Remember how Philu boasted that the Americans were going to buy his blog for a “shitload” of money?
      
      Maybe Hugh is shilling for a consultancy gig? Or maybe he’s just hoping to become relevant instead of blowing upwind all the time?
      
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      November 19, 2018 7:51pm
      - stigie
        
        …..eh…..?
        
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        November 19, 2018 7:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Maybe Hugh is shilling for a consultancy gig? ‘
        
        Surely they must already have people who can ‘cut and paste’
        
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        November 19, 2018 7:57pm
      - nasska
        
        At least PhilU clicks on his address now & again to keep Alexa interested. For a real trainwreck one should try to find the remnants of Trueblue.
        
        That little known blog, tucked away in a dark corner of the web, lies unvisited except for the (very) odd religious conservative who lays virtual flowers at its portal on the first day of April each year. 🙂
        
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        November 19, 2018 8:07pm
      - starboard
        
        Yes I remember that Nosty. The mans a loon, complete loon. Convicted violent criminal as well, he used to hate that being mentioned. Meh !
        
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        November 19, 2018 9:02pm
stigie

Give me a hongi Tall Man and i’ll tell you why we are hard done by..? //
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November 19, 2018 7:29pm
- nasska
  
  Careful stigie. It starts with rubbing noses but who knows where it will end? 🙂
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  Is that above the belt…….
  
  Hongi then pongi?
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:32pm
Hugh Pavletich

Belatedly … abolishing urban limits and properly debt financing infrastructure … to ALLOW affordable new housing to be built …

Housing analyst ( Economist … Rodney Dickens ) says soaring land prices Auckland’s key housing obstacle | Catherine Harris | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108676571/housing-analyst-says-soaring-land-prices-aucklands-key-housing-obstacle

A housing commentator says the Government’s Kiwibuild programme might not be necessary if more was done to reduce the price of land.

Rodney Dickens of Strategic Risk Analysis said his figures showed that Auckland section prices in October now made up 67 per cent of the median house price, compared to 41 per cent in January 1993.

That meant the house itself, and improvements, was worth less than a third of the price. … read more via hyperlink above …
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New Zealand Issues Monitor IPSOS (September) – Concerns about housing grow

https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/new-zealand-issues-monitor-concerns-about-housing-grow
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NEW ZEALAND : Major infrastructure partnership for North Auckland | Housing | Minister Phil Twyford | Beehive.govt.nz

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-infrastructure-partnership-north-auckland
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New infrastructure financing scheme a major step forward … Infrastructure New Zealand

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1811/S00391/new-infrastructure-financing-scheme-a-major-step-forward.htm
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How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
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Urban Development Authority a long overdue initiative … Auckland Business Chamber of Commerce | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1808/S00741/urban-development-authority-a-long-overdue-initiative.htm
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Mike Hosking (Popular Conservative Commentator): Housing Minister Phil Twyford right to bulldoze his way through councils – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118208
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… August 2018 …

Reality check for Ministers (really some … just some … asleep enviros) at environment conference | Politik

http://politik.co.nz/en/content/Environment/1400/Reality-check-for-Ministers-at-environment-conference-Environmental-Defence-Society-Gary-Taylor-Phil-Twyford-David-Parker-RMA.htm

… extract …

… Attendees probably left last night with more questions than when they arrived as Ministers, who in Opposition had seemed sympathetic to environmental issues were left qualifying and modifying their stance on major issues.

This was starkly evident in an exchange between Urban Development Minister, Phil Twyford, and the EDS CEO, Gary Taylor over urban sprawl.

Twyford had set out an impassioned description of the impact of high house prices in Auckland and advocated the linking together of transport and other infrastructure and new housing developments.

But he also advocated the scrapping or urban-rural limits.

“We believe that we have to manage growth on the fringes of the city,” he said.

“If we do not allow new land to come into the supply we will never ever fix the problem of absurdly expensive urban land.

“With good investment in infrastructure and transport, with more planning, not less to create the future urban environment that we want, setting aside areas of special value and open spaces, acquiring land for transport and other infrastructure, if we then allow the city to grow we will bring down urban land prices and it is absolutely critical that we do,” he said.

Twyford had proposed this when he was in Opposition but, even so, any suggestion that more rural land was going to be absorbed for housing was going to be controversial at an environmental conference.

And Taylor was quick to respond.

“Everything makes sense except I worry about why you need to do away with rural-urban boundaries altogether,” said Taylor.

He said that giving free reign to developers seemed inconsistent with Twyford’s overall objective of having a compact city.

Twyford replied that it was a question of values.

“This is for us, for Labour, for our coalition government, this is fundamentally a social justice issue.

“Our objective is not to build a Copenhagen of the South Pacific.

“We could build a beautiful city with a whole lot of the policies we have talked about.

“We could build a Vancouver of the South Pacific; beautiful but utterly unaffordable.

“I’m interested in us fixing this totally dysfunctional urban land economy.

“If we don’t deal with affordability we will have completely wasted the opportunity that has been given to our generation.”

Twyford said the only way to deal with the affordability issue was to deal with the land price issue and that meant dealing with the artificial scarcity of land caused by the planning system and the availability of finance for infrastructure.

However he didn’t dispute that the Auckland region was going to become more heavily built up.

“You know what,” he said. “In two or three generations this is going to become a tri-city conurbation between Hamilton, Tauranga and Auckland whether we like it or not.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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… November 2017 …

Speech from the throne pledges that Auckland’s urban limit will be removed and density controls will be freed up in this term of Government … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/90780/speech-throne-pledges-aucklands-urban-limit-will-be-removed-and-density-controls-will
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  “NURRSSSEEEE” !!
  
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    Oh Fuck Hugh !!
    
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    November 19, 2018 7:51pm
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  Nope
  Still no one visiting Hugh’s Blog
  
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  November 19, 2018 7:49pm
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    You exceded yourself there hughie. I think that must be the longest I have seen. I hope it took you all day to do that. Such a lot of work and yet so few people get to read it. You should start your own blog. Just imagine how much traffic you would get.
    
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    November 19, 2018 8:18pm
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  Jesus wept. Somebody has a crack at him and he gets even worse.
  DPF, please do something about this idiot.
  
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  November 19, 2018 8:19pm
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    Report the prick
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    November 19, 2018 9:04pm
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The fuzz must have finally caught up with itsticky, haven’t seen him of late.
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November 19, 2018 7:54pm
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/108712268/defence-force-wont-take-part-in-auckland-pride-after-police-uniform-ban

Good job.
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  The rainbows sure made a good fist of that then!!
  
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  November 19, 2018 9:00pm
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    Couldn’t organise a fisting at a faggot parade.
    
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    November 19, 2018 10:22pm
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Housing market crash: House prices could fall 30% in ‘deep recession’ (UBS) … News Com Au

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/deep-recession-house-prices-could-fall-more-than-30-per-cent-in-ubs-doomsday-scenario/news-story/b8c2cf775749852c794428805b76c538

House prices could fall more than 30 per cent as the country plunges into a “deep recession” if disgruntled borrowers launch class actions against the major banks for breaching responsible lending laws, new analysis suggests.

The worst-case scenario is one of five outlined by UBS analyst Jonathan Mott in a client note this week, “Catching a falling knife”, in which he warned the outlook for the banking sector had “not been as challenged since at least 2008”.

“The recently completed bank reporting season suggests the outlook for the banks remains challenging,” Mr Mott said. “However, we believe the rapidly deteriorating housing market is a signal of even tougher times ahead.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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What lessons did the Australian and New Zealand banks and regulators learn from the 2007 Irish housing crash, when the unweighted average median multiple across the major Irish metros fell from 4.7 to 2.8 … wiping out all its banks … and requiring about 70 billion euro (approz $NZ 110 billion ) to bail them out ?

The current unweighted median multiples for Australia and New Zealand’s major metros are 5.9 and 5.8 respectively …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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Subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high multiple lending a greater problem than high loan to value lending … and imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times annual household earning (access background research via links below) …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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  November 19, 2018 9:29pm
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Starboard was in Thailand & having a quiet drink at a bar when this gorgeous oriental bird came up to him & whispered in his ear:

“Can I suck your cock.”

Correcting her he said, “I think you’ll find that it’s MAY I suck your cock.”

“Okay then, you go first,” she said.
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  November 19, 2018 9:04pm
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After some great sex, she lies there stroking his prick. Nasska asks, “Do you want more sex?” “No,” she replies, “I’m just admiring your cock… I really miss mine.”
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ASB’s parent bank, the CBA, is in the gun in Australia over staff bonuses.

It would be nice if someone did a study of the ASB Community Trust’s sale of the ASB bank chain to CBA – 75 per cent in 1989 and the remaining 25 per cent in 1990.

Has this cost Aucklanders money? Would they have done better retaining ownership of the ASB chain?

Some studies of this would be interesting.

CBA salaries:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12162815
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Blackcaps win by 4 runs.
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