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Notsofast

Cynric Temple Camp played a huge part in launching the decades of nonsense hanging like an albatross round the necks of the police prosecutors and judiciary in the Lundy case.

He recently wrote a book in which he reflected on the murder of Hugh Lynch, owner of the Junction Motel in Sanson.

“Defence injuries are always important in murders. They are invaluable in forensic pathology and are favoured by police, pathologists and lawyers alike. The police are keen on them because they are a strong indication that this is indeed a murder, and quite commonly where a victim has fought for their life, bits of skin or fragments of clothing torn frantically from the murderer may lie beneath the fingernails.”

I wonder what Cynric thinks about the fingernail evidence in the Lundy case.

We know what Mark Cooper, Helen Winkelmann and Raynor Asher think because Cooper wrote

“[358] All of these matters must have been rejected by the jury as not raising a
reasonable doubt about Mr Lundy’s guilt. None of them are particularly cogent as an
indicator of another person being responsible for the crime. In our own view, they do
not raise a credible basis on which we could go behind the implications of
the CNS tissue and DNA found on Mr Lundy’s shirt.
[359] With particular reference to the fingernail scrapings we note that the analysis,
carried out by the Crown’s witness Ms Heidi Baker, involved what is called “Y-STR
DNA testing”. Ms Baker described this as “highly sensitive” with the consequence
that it is not always possible to determine when any DNA was deposited or how it was
deposited, or what its source was: fluid, blood, or another tissue such as skin.
Ms Baker observed:

… it’s very important to consider what legitimate opportunities people may
have had to transfer their DNA to those samples because it is such a highly
sensitive technique and will detect incredibly low levels of DNA.
She gave as an example that the DNA transfer could be effected by a simple
handshake.
[360] In the case of Amber, the right fingernail scrapings showed there was DNA
from at least two and possibly more unrelated males in this sample. In the case of Mrs
Lundy scrapings from her left fingernail indicated there was DNA from at least one
and possibly more males in the sample. The DNA was in very small amounts, possibly
the result of scratching but possibly also the result of normal day to day contact. We
do not consider the evidence about the finger nail scrapings to be of significance to
the outcome of the case.”

Jesus wept.

Talk about looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. This judgement is clearly designed to pacify kiwi bloggers.
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November 15, 2018 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Too fricking early chap!
  
  Nobody likes an argument about their wifes brain tissue on ones shirt this early in the day!
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:02am
  - Notsofast
    
    First up best dressed. The truth will be swept under the carpet in record time today, just enjoy the coffee…
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:21am
- Huevon
  
  I hope you didn’t stay up late to write that.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:03am
  - Andrei
    
    Oh how I hate single issue fanatics
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:06am
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, Andrei.
      
      Me, I can be fanatical about 163566456345634542452365624562365235526356 issues.
      
      One day, one day, you will open up General Debate and have your eyeballs assaulted by a quite-lengthy essay on each of them!
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:11am
    - Notsofast
      
      So do I, but I love that you all read it!
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:21am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  You’re going down like a bungee jump with a bad cord my friend . . .
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:05am
Paulus Gnome

The beauty of the accidental Prime Minister talking to the Australian Prime Minister du jour about onions before sausage in a sausage sizzle is that we aren’t talking about the scum on Manus.
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November 15, 2018 8:02am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yeh, but PriNZess, believes her own press. So, she hasn’t stopped with the Aussies, now she is offering the Burmese help to solve their problems too.
  
  When is someone going to tell the dumb woman to stop interfering in the affairs of other countries with our money?
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:07am
  - igm
    
    Thanks Toxic Gnome, you have saddled NZ with a real sickly loser, and I hope this totally removes you from politics next election . . . which may be sooner than you think.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:12am
  - KevOB
    
    Apparently also we are now supporting PNG which has been an Aussie satellite. Are Kiwi taxpayers that rich we can take over other regional nations responsibilities?
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:33am
  - oldpark
    
    @hullkiwi
    Yet she cant even solve the Teachers requests for smaller class rooms. Of course she seems to overlook the fact that Charity Begins at Home.
    Maybe just maybe it is a welcome relief for her to be out of NZ this week. Or maybe a reminder ,that the day Foxy Peters give her the PMs job she leapt into a Government Limo and made a beeline to the trade union gang CTU. Her words to them” go for it whatever ,with you all the way”.Could it be the union has taken her literally with all the strikes and demands. Certainly is, go the teachers.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:36am
    - sooty
      
      How much is she going to give away in PNG?
      Less money for teachers.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:02am
      - KevOB
        
        I understand we made a major contribution to funding the Asean conference. PNG would have expected Australia to have done that instead.
        
        That Western, Melanesian, side of the Pacific has historically been claimed as an Aus. area of influence and responsibility.
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:28am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      When you can’t solve the real problems that are your actual job to handle, then the go-to option is expensive efforts in virtue signalling (bread and circuses) to distract the journos and twatterati.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:21am
    - Viking2
      
      Now you are beginning to understand what Trump has been on about. US taxpayers funding all manner of shit that doesn’t appear to be their responsibility.
      
      National are as bad as Labour. Just remember that when you fill in Simons forms asking what policy National need to go with at the next election.
      And Simon or his watches take note that the taxpayer is getting pissed of with being fleeced because you can. Time we had some limits on the ability of Govt. to fleece the taxpayer for purposes other than those which will enhance the wealth and prosperity of said taxpayers.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:52am
- cmm
  
  Hah! You thought she only knew stuff about fish and chips.
  
  See how wrong you are. See, she also has some knowledge of sausage sizzles!
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Is that a scoop for you? Plus also don’t forget to confer with WorkSafe about how to eat your onions.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:14am
    - G152
      
      Slipping on a little piece of fried onion????????
      H(opeless) & S(tupidity) at its finest
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:21am
      - sooty
        
        In the paper, it was 65yr old Trevor from Gympie north off Brisbane that slipped on the onions. You could say a lot more there couldn’t you!
        
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        November 15, 2018 12:32pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Her having an opinion about something she knows nothing about and is eminently unqualified to pass comment about, will not and, does not, prevent her from ‘winging it’ and, when it all gets too much, make a ‘captains call’
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:15am
    - Swifty
      
      She’s a socialist – they think they can solve everything and anything and always by building larger institutions.
      
      And when they fail to solve something that is proof the institutions need to be even bigger!
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:52am
      - Piniwi
        
        Or Swifty resort to the standard MO by adding another tier so the extra expenditure is scattered further afield. Like the new Murri Housing Initiative being added to Twyfords collection leaving the vision of the chief with shrunken heads on his belt. While we know that Murri heads only look small when seen atop such massive bodies.
        
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        November 15, 2018 3:11pm
- VicParking
  
  Please ensure you have a bucket handy when you watch this on the BBC
  https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-46207254/jacinda-ardern-it-takes-strength-to-be-an-empathetic-leader
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:18am
  - cmm
    
    A bucket? More like a straightjacket.
    
    She is that deluded that she believes her policies and actions to be empathetic.
    
    How is it empathetic to:
    * shut down charter schools
    * set up a state housing scheme for people earning over $150k a year
    * create new positions for your mates to earn $400k salaries
    * provide foreign criminals with residency to cause mayhem among the citizens.
    * divert billions into stupid “make work” programmes that nobody wants to work in.
    * shut down a thriving gas & oil industry, threatening thousands of jobs and driving up energy costs for the most vulnerable.
    * cover up for sexual assaults
    
    I better stop now before I need blood pressure meds.
    
    If this is being empathetic, I’d hate to see her in bitch mode.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:45am
    - hullkiwi
      
      I still love the lie they peddle here in media. The one about”how much they have done in their first year of office!”
      
      I have one question.
      
      “Go on then, tell me what you have really done in your first year of office?”
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:00am
      - sooty
        
        153 talkfest because they never expected to be in power and were not prepared.
        Nine long years with their finger up their ass!
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:06am
      - MH
        
        Dangerously close to tree-son.
        The Emperoress has no clothes.
        
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        November 15, 2018 10:27am
    - plc
      
      But…but…Baby Neve
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:37am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Yes, save us all Jacinda. Become a stay at home mum.
        
        The world will not miss your empathy.
        
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        November 15, 2018 10:38am
  - Harkman
    
    Don’t say the BBC has CNNs fake news disease.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:59am
    - VicParking
      
      BBC has CNN’s hate Trump disease which is about to come back and bite both of them.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:21am
  - tf78
    
    It didn’t load thank goodness as I really didn’t want to watch her.
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:47am
- krazykiwi
  
  Every time this woman speaks I cringe. Her vapid sense of self-importance, and her absolute lack of self-awareness makes us a laughing stock.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:48am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I think she fancies herself as some kind of modern day Joan of Arc. The trouble is, to everyone else she’s just an annoying stupid little girl.
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:10am
    - VicParking
      
      Modern Joan of Arc. Can hardly wait “Joan of Arc was burned at the stake, before an estimated crowd of 10,000 people.“ We will only Burn her with a Ballot box.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:24am
    - igm
      
      What pisses me off, the harridan is not even an elected PM, she was selected by Drunken Dwarf to repay National rejecting him.
      
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      November 15, 2018 10:30am
      - Jack5
        
        Did National choose the Opposition benches rather than a coalition with Peters, or did Peters reject National?
        
        It’s a great yarn. Jim Bolger fires Peters from the National Cabinet in 1991, and after the 1996 election Bolger and Peters form a coalition with Peters deputy PM. When Shipley takes over as PM, the coalition ends and Peters is out.
        
        The problem left for NZ, and the country, is where is the potential coalition party for a National-led Government? ACT doesn’t cut the mustard, and for many people the Maori Party, even if resuscitated, would be a step too far.
        
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        November 15, 2018 10:50am
      - Jack5
        
        Talking of Shipley, I wonder when we will get a decision in the case of the liquidators suing her and the other Mainzeal directors.
        
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        November 15, 2018 11:01am
      - Notsofast
        
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        November 16, 2018 4:26pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right RP but while we see all of her utterances on the International stage the SLG her PR team know every new audience needs a new message buoyed by also knowing you can fool some of the people all of the time. In keeping with COL practice that was the only part of that famous quote they saw in their file. Her funniest line on BBC was in closing saying not to resort to using blame? Must have got that one from the old drunk who begged not to blamed him for dark days ahead as her crown slipped down over her ears. Obviously now more “fitting” on her swollen head.
      
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      November 15, 2018 3:21pm
      - RF
        
        Oh I see. I suppose her death stare towards Simon whilst in the house was her version of a friendly glance.
        
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        November 15, 2018 8:04pm
tedbear

Seems there’s quite a bit more on the trees bungle according to RNZ.

The trees were ordered before Ngāti Hine struck a deal with the Crown.
The deal with Ngāti Hine was signed on 31 May.
But the trees were ordered in February after MPI scrambled to guess how many trees it would need without knowing how much land would be available. They believed they had ‘x’ number of hectares available.

Kevin Strawbridge, owner of Northland Forest Nursery said “It’s a massive blow to the company that entered into the contract.”

I wonder if Mr Jones will be liable in paying compensation out of his $3 billion bank account.
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November 15, 2018 8:05am
- cmm
  
  Some other C****’s money
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:11am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    No cmm; OUR money. That’s the outrage; that Jones is chucking around billions of dollars extracted from our pockets with reckless abandon. This is the third or fourth regional project that has shown to be flawed.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:24am
    - KevOB
      
      The project’s not flawed: a reasonable concept but failed execution.
      The problem with commies is they know it all but can do nothing except with other peoples money and hijacked resources.
      Self validated idealists are not executive grade. Has the Public Service been inoculated with these too?
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:39am
    - alex Masterley
      
      “Flawed” is an understatement!
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:40am
    - waikatogirl
      
      KS, With no accountability from the bagman Jones. Its all covered by the secret agreement. ?
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:03am
- redeye
  
  Hamish Price, who seems to have more fun than anyone on twitter upsetting the left, tweeted yesterday,
  
  “Update on Billion Trees Programme: The Govt has now mulched more trees than it has planted. #nzpol”
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:40am
  - Rich Prick
    
    It’s turning into the billion tons of compost programme.
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:15am
- Simon
  
  Comrades never again let the Right say money doesn’t grow on trees! Shane Jones will confirm.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:46am
  - MH
    
    mulch ado about nothing.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:30am
Nukuleka

RNZ leads its 8.00 am news bulletin with the world shattering news that NZ has been chosen to host the Women’s Rugby World Cup. Yawn. Every news bulletin from RNZ is an exercise in pc indoctrination with its obligatory Maori story, women’s rights story, social justice story, anti Trump story, social grievance story… It is a travesty and mockery of what a true news organisation ought to be. And the taxpayer forks out for this?
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November 15, 2018 8:07am
- igm
  
  Look at the scum that control RNZ, not one of them employable in commercial radio.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:10am
- lifesgood
  
  And more and more of RNZ is in Maori, it’s like they are trying to force it on us. I rarely listen any more. I doubt very much that they have many, if any, Maori speakers listening.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:12am
- Huevon
  
  Since they became a Maori language station, I’ve stopped listening. Clearly I’m not their target market, otherwise they would broadcast in a language I can actually understand…right?
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:18am
  - KevOB
    
    I avoid them like the plague too.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:41am
- srylands
  
  Now they are going on about speed governors on scooters.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:18am
  - stigie
    
    Hi viz jackets, hardhat, glasses and steel capped boots will be next..?
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:26am
  - KevOB
    
    They would be more useful promoting Plunket.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:42am
  - BeaB
    
    Except neither of them knew what a speed governor is!
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:46am
    - stigie
      
      Someone in charge of speed !! //
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:00am
      - Viking2
        
        Paid by the socialists from taxpayers money.
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:55am
  - marcw
    
    I’m sure if it was one of your family that was maimed by one of the retards on these scooters you would have a different opinion srylands. Not all of us are as nimble as you in getting out of their way.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:34am
- flipper
  
  Well, by Radio Red standards it was wonderful.
  At long last an objective report of a news item, ungarnished by the dictates of Fraser House, Neve and the 10th Floor.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:19am
- JIV
  
  Everything is identity politics. It used to be that everyone was an individual and you should treat everyone as such. Now you have to associate yourself with a group. All groups must be respected apart for the white male. Screw them.
  
  As a white male I choose to ignore all other groups. I will not try to force empathy about other peoples plights any more, because they have no respect for my group.
  
  Now I ignore all movies that try to force diversity, or news stories that show the pluck of the transgender trying to give birth. Im more interested in what other white males are up to. Thats my group.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:25am
  - Jack5
    
    And Stuff is on about “trannies”, now being re-branded “non-binaries”.
    
    And the bill amending birth certificates to carry “X” as well as “M” or “F” is sponsored by NZ First’s Tracey Martin. What will the conservative seniors who vote NZ First think about this?
    
    Now comes the big push to take “he”, “him”, “she”, “her” out of the English language and leave just “they” and “them”.
    
    Tolerance is not enough for current liberals. For them full equality must be the goal.
    
    Enjoy:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/108178948/nonbinary-finery-the-kiwis-whose-gender-doesnt-fit-in-a-neat-little-box
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:29am
- Simon
  
  In East Germany they had government radio as well.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:49am
  - Jack5
    
    And in Britain, they still have it – the BBC.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:20am
- Harkman
  
  I saw last night on MSN that Cindy was offering to solve crisis involving the terrorists kicked out of Myanmar. I’m getting the feeling one will be living next door in next to no time.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:03am
- Gravyman2
  
  RNZ’s definition of Investigative Journalism, is the PM’s social circle interviewing each other.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:20am
- dime
  
  the herald tricked me into clicking on a link, thinking it was about the all blacks.. womens rugby ffs.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:53am
Happychappy

Sounds like Our laws are made to favour criminals as the Lawyers are all voicing their opinion on the drug smuggler that was given residency by our inept Immigration Minister. The Majority of those having their say are saying the Law can not be reversed so again just like the fat kraut we will be using taxpayers money for years to get rid of him.
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November 15, 2018 8:07am
- lifesgood
  
  Hmmmm! Interesting! Where’s that list of celebrity drug users again.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:14am
- hullkiwi
  
  What they are saying is BS. They just dont want it reversed. NZ has agreements with the EU, the Czech cannot be executed or tortured under EU law. So a lot of comment in the NZ media is misleading to illicit sympathy for someone who peddles in drugs!
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:21am
  - KevOB
    
    Sympathy or concern about loss of potential supply?
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thanks Happychappy for keeping this in the news.
  We must not let this slide until Please Gallopaway and those he’s protecting get their just desserts.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:34am
- Simon
  
  “Sounds like Our laws are made to favour criminals”
  
  Comrade there is a hugely profitable industry defending guilty as sin scrotes. Its just a business.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:52am
redeye

“Jacinda Ardern says she aspires to restore reputation of politicians during Singapore TV appearance”

Who knew she had such a self deprecating sense of humour?
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November 15, 2018 8:08am
- Huevon
  
  She’s right. We need politicans who are honest, competent and elected with a popular mandate to govern! Then we can restore the public’s trust!
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:21am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Which rules her out by a long way
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:35am
  - tf78
    
    We went to a very interesting Q&A with Simon Bridges yesterday. He covered any topic that anyone asked him, spoke informatively, clearly and on top of that he has a very good sense of humour. He covered immigration, Super City, mulching, JLR, Galloway, healthcare etc. I came away with the feeling that NZ will be in very good hands with the new line up of Nats.
    
    He is way better than I thought he would be (although I did like him before that). My faith and over 250 people who attended all came away very impressed.
    
    Paul Goldsmith, Simon O’Connor and that lovely Indian fellow (I can’t write his name) also attended – all seemed very good quality candidates. Unfortunately our media never let us see the real Simon.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:55am
- calendar girl
  
  Meanwhile, in a BBC interview, Ardern claims to be a strong leader because she is “empathetic”: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-46207254/jacinda-ardern-it-takes-strength-to-be-an-empathetic-leader .
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:24am
  - JIV
    
    empathetic
    
    or
    
    Ummm…..pathetic
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:31am
    - Peter S
      
      Ahem, pathetic
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:48am
  - marcw
    
    Just like Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Guevara, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot, Putin, Ceausescu – the world history is littered with stories of “empathic” leaders.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:41am
- Simon
  
  “Jacinda Ardern says she aspires to restore reputation of politicians during Singapore TV appearance”
  
  In China calling someone White Left is an insulting term. Ardern is baizuo.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:55am
Shaun the Sheep

Myanmar is the largest producer of methamphetamines in the world and the 2nd largest supplier of opium.
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November 15, 2018 8:13am
- RalphT
  
  Well in that case we’ll need quite a few of them as refugees. If the Czech gets thrown out we’ll need people versed in the supply of garden equipment to the Auckland glitterati.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:27am
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An amendment to Florida’s constitution that would restore voting rights for felons passed Tuesday with the help of Jewish groups that campaigned for the measure.

Amendment 4 won 64 percent of the vote, passing the needed 60 percent threshold for passage.

A number of Florida branches of Jewish groups, including the Reform movement’s Religious Action Center, the Anti-Defamation League, the National Council of Jewish Women and Join for Justice, campaigned for the amendment,

https://forward.com/fast-forward/413747/florida-amendment-allowing-felons-to-vote-passes-with-help-from-jewish/

Serious question to all of Kiwiblogs many philo-semites – Why do such a vast array of seemingly disconnected Jewish groups campaign and lobby for voting rights for convicted felons + support mass immigration when in the West?

Us so called “Nazis” are generally curious on your answers…

https://mobile.twitter.com/jdforward/status/1060041659369566208
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- I've been to Mecca and you have not!
  
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  The Jews control the fractional banking system and back it up with propaganda from the Jewish media.
  
  Their goal is profit at the cost of the goyem.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:17am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    the fractional banking system and back it up with propaganda.
    
    Their goal is profit at the cost of the goyem.
    
    Back to your work slave – how else are you going to pay back your 30 year mortgage and the Government’s ever increasing debt burden in a currency they could produce without interest.
    
    Ignore the fact your grandparents could pay off their first house in 6 years only 2 generations ago.
    
    And if you don’t get back to work, there’s plenty of more 3rd world labour who will work for less than you.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:23am
  - Swifty
    
    It must really piss off the Mussies that 15 million Jews control so much of what goes on in the world apparently, when 1.5 billion Mussies control what?
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:57am
    - Woz
      
      Their women.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:15am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Well Muslims are certainly the world leaders in manufacturing human suffering and misery.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:29am
    - stephieboy
      
      Oil and lots of other things eg the Suez canal and straights of Hormuz etc
      
      1.5 billion Muslims do not create human misery! The 2003 invasion of Iraq and ist aftermath by the US did and the rise of the Arab spring that lead to the Syrian civil war di
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:35am
      - Woz
        
        I’ll at least partially agree with you on this, Stephanie. The West has had a large part to play in bringing about the present state of affairs in the Middle East, but you need to go back further, at least to the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916. Even then, there were wheels already long turning, set in motion by Mohammad himself. The interference of the West is comparatively late in the piece.
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:52am
      - igm
        
        Muslims are like rust in a car, they eat away at everything of value and leave a pile of shit!
        
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        November 15, 2018 10:33am
    - igm
      
      Swifty: This is the extent of Mussies gratitude for taking them in, feeding them, housing them, paying them (to do nothing other than stick their arses in the air five times daily as they kiss the floor), educating them (or paying them to radicalise their 7 wives’ ferals), in fact the left have capitulated to the mongrels:
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/108636545/how-slipup-in-bunnings-nailed-men-who-plotted-deadly-melbourne-terror
      To think Gnashers wants more of these bastards in NZ!
      
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      November 16, 2018 7:05am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Serious question – Why do the trolls just downtick such posts and never attempt to discuss the facts on the issues raised or if they do, they just spew forth he same bile as the MSM they so loathe?
  
  It does not compute
  
  These articles are hardly from “Daily Stormer” type sources – they come straight from the Horses Mouth i.e. the Jewish Daily Forward, Times of Israel, Jerusalem Post etc.
  
  Perhaps these people are “anti-goymetic” ?
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:35am
  - RRM
    
    It’s not trolls.
    
    It’s THE JOOOOOOOOZ.
    
    They’re everywhere.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:37am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      that’s just being silly RRM.
      
      They may not be “everywhere” but they are certainly working en masse when it comes to lobbying for convicted felons to vote and importing the 3rd world into the West and are leading the fight imposing Trumps mild immigration reforms:
      
      https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-Americans-are-now-the-face-of-Trump-resistance-571363
      
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      November 15, 2018 11:34am
Than

The government has announced they will be re-entering Pike River. This is a pointless and foolish exercise, a needless risk of life and waste of money.

My big problem with re-entering Pike River is the simple question – why?

The government claims the mine can be re-entered safely. But safety is never an absolute. It’s always a trade-off of what level of risk is acceptable balanced against what is to be gained. And in this case there is absolutely nothing to be gained. Given the conditions in the mine and the amount of time that has passed, there will be no recognizable remains to find. With apologies for being insensitive, it’s only a question of exactly how many bone fragments are left to find. It’s not like there is any doubt as to the fate of the unfortunate men in the mine that day. We already know pretty much exactly what happened and where their bodies lie. The mine should be sealed off, a simple respectful monument placed, and the site otherwise left alone.

I’m also concerned the police statement “not ruling out the possibility of manslaughter charges” has the very distinct whiff of being a witch-hunt. A couple of the Pike River families and some Labour MPs seem to have already decided that Peter Whittall is guilty. And they’re damn well going to keep re-investigating over and over until they get the conclusion they want.
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November 15, 2018 8:14am
- The Heat
  
  There is something to be gained – political capital.
  
  Using our money.
  
  There is a word for these politicians and it isn’t repeatable.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:19am
- G152
  
  And they’re only going up to the rockfall and not beyond to where the bodies are
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:24am
  - jcuk
    
    When I heard the comment that they were NOT going past the rockfall I thought $40 million to the rockfall then how much more to get past it and see what is left of the bodies etc
    Another 40 million?
    Talk about a confidence trick
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:58am
  - Sacha
    
    Gee, I hope there isn’t an earthquake as they toil their way uphill to the rock pile –
    
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    November 15, 2018 4:40pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  One day later…today.
  The story has already changed.
  Yesterday….they are entering the mine
  Today we find they are entering 400m of the drift
  (drift is about 2.8Km)
  Yesterday it was about body recovery
  Today it’s about finding “evidence”
  To bastardize a quote from the movie “Men in Black”
  “Imagine what we will know tomorrow”
  Yesterday they said, starting in Feb ’19, they will progress 40m at a time, how long before they get to 400m?
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:26am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It is about politics. 40m per month is good for re-election if nothing goes wrong. If something goes wrong, they can point to it as justification for their caution.
    
    They are trying to have a win-win each way bet at the expense of peoples’ emotions and the taxpayer.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:52am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Considering the work they have to do, in explosive conditions.
      1 month per 40m is generous.
      My view of the work.
      1. pump Nitrogen into the existing tunnel
      2. Open the containment wall
      3. Pump enough Nitrogen into the void beyond, at such a volume as to displace the methane and any Oxygen that may be present, faster than the mine can force methane out
      4. move into the nitrogen enriched space
      5. Build a new containment wall 40m in
      My guess, at least 2 months
      Q: What do all these workers breath, while in this Nitrogen atmosphere?
      Q: What is the estimated number of hours that each worker can spend like this?
      Q; What are the space constraints? ie how many workers can work safely in this space?
      I’m sure, if I think a bit harder I can come up with more, project management problems to overcome.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:02am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Suppose my plan is true.
        Imagine a plunger, clearing a blocked drain
        It uses the pressure of the plunger
        Now imaging you are pushing a fluid gas (methane)
        with another fluid gas (nitrogen)
        Nitrogen is heavier than methane
        Methane is forced up, Nitrogen forced down in the pipe (drift)
        Methane can now move along the roof of the drift, till it reaches air….spark…..BOOM
        The methane running along the roof of the drift will act as a wick to the methane and other fuel in the mine…….FIRE, all while these “rescuers” are still in the drift…..T O A S T.
        Sick joke???
        or incompetent bull shit.
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:11am
      - sooty
        
        Just think what is all this nitrogen going to do to the atmosphere.
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:15am
      - VicParking
        
        The nitrogen will be collected and used to fuel Winstons car when he come up to be the first to enter the mine
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:34am
      - Woz
        
        Winston already generates enough hot gas to power his own vehicle.
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:55am
      - tf78
        
        It may sound simplistic, but why can’t they go in in scuba gear?
        
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        November 15, 2018 11:10am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        tf78
        Because scuba gear contains oxygen.
        Oxygen will cause an explosion
        any CO2 you breath out also can combust the methane.
        MUST remove the methane first.
        I don’t know what the numbers are for Methane.
        But I worked with methanol once.
        Installing electronics for a hazardous location.
        I was told that a 60 micro joule spark can set it off.
        You can’t even see a 60 micro joule spark.
        
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        November 15, 2018 3:52pm
  - Paulus
    
    Under New Zealand Law it is the Police who are in charge of a site which may become a crime scene.
    It is therefore up to the Police to take absolute charge of any entry to the Drift.
    I understand that they have not confirmed that is the case and they will be the first to enter the scene.
    I know that Mrs Rockwall wants to be first with Monk carrying her handbag. So does Peters and the Angry one -what a competition
    – call Haumaha to take charge surely.
    
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    November 15, 2018 2:20pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Is it true that Bernie Monk was a safety officer at the mine?
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:26am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    No as far as I know. You could be confusing Monk with Neville Rockhouse, the former Safety and Training Manager at Pike River, who lost a son in the explosion.
    
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/neville-rockhouse-2a9b1815/?originalSubdomain=nz
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:16am
    - Paulus
      
      At the Royal Commission I think you will find that Rockwell said that the Mine was unsafe yet he let two sons go down the Mine – one got out (and still go paid out).
      He will probably face charges if Whittall is charged which all the “west coast experts” are trying for.
      He cannot be forced to return from Australia anyway.
      
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      November 15, 2018 2:24pm
- freethinker
  
  The whole problem was caused by the POO LICE particularly Lowndes preventing mine entry after the explosion when all gas was gone – typical example of stupid Plod interfering in an area of no experience. Lowndes moved to Christchurch to shut him up with a promotion so now he has been promoted to a station so above his ability as to rank with the Mayor and Councilors ruining the city .
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:34am
- Nookin
  
  I’m also concerned the police statement “not ruling out the possibility of manslaughter charges” has the very distinct whiff of being a witch-hunt.
  
  Read between the lines. The interview was probably something like this:
  Q. Will there be a prosecution?
  A. We do not know. We do not know what we will find.
  Q. If you find evidence will you prosecute?
  A. We will see what evidence is there and make an assessment at that time.
  Q. Does that mean you will prosecute?
  A. No. It means that we do not know. We do not know what we will find. We will make an assessment when we have facts. We cannot rule it in and we cannot rule it out.
  Q. So that means that there is may be a prosecution?
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:34am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Q; Does “prosecution” depend on who you find evidence against?
    a: Whittle?
    b: The police, who denied immediate entry?
    c: the miners, rumoured to have tampered with the sensors in order to get more overtime?
    d: the safety officer for not checking the sensors?
    Other questions:
    Why didn’t the alarms sound before the explosion? as they did at the Huntley mine a few weeks later, meaning in the event of an explosion ALL the Huntley miners were safe.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:46am
  - G152
    
    Open cast the bloody mine.
    No more methane and best of all no more bloody excuses
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:55am
  - Paulus
    
    What happens if they find evidence of Contributory Negligence – perhaps a match or fag end or covered sensor ?
    
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    November 15, 2018 2:26pm
- Yvette
  
  I’m also concerned the police statement “not ruling out the possibility of manslaughter charges” has the very distinct whiff of being a witch-hunt.
  
  Unless the entire inaccessible workings beyond the rockfall can be examined, is it possible to claim any fault they may find, to be the definitive cause of the explosion – like an electrical short in the drift conveyor belt (already set-up as “suspect”) – when the initial fault may have been in the continuous miner, one of the pieces of equipment furtherest beyond the rockfall?
  
  Unless you can examine the entire “crime scene”, the evidence and anything it “proves” will be as incomplete as a Government decision-maker not reading the entire report he was given.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:50am
  - Dave Mann
    
    It’s not a ‘crime scene’. It’s an ‘incompetence scene’. Should have been an open pit, not an upward sloping drift to collect explosive gasses.
    
    And I heartily agree with all those here who are tired of hearing about plans to enter it and the endless compensation.
    
    There was a big explosion and everybody was killed. What the fuck do they expect to find?
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:05am
    - tf78
      
      Another thing to thank the bloody Greens for – maybe they should be held accountable too.
      
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      November 15, 2018 11:22am
      - Komata
        
        tf78
        
        The greeens held ‘accountable’?
        
        Surely Sir you jest; they are now ‘conveniently’ absent and very silent.
        
        One has to wonder why….
        
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        November 15, 2018 3:34pm
  - Than
    
    Regardless of how far they can get into the mine, I don’t see how physical evidence is relevant to corporate manslaughter charges.
    
    Peter Whittall’s involvement was strictly at a managerial level, several layers separated from the mine itself. Forensic details from the mine could provide context, but they tell us nothing about the key part of a corporate manslaughter charge – what Whittall knew and what instructions he issued. For Whitall to be culpable it would need to be proven that decisions he made directly led to the disaster, and that he was aware of this risk beforehand. The case would be built on examining corporate records (emails, minutes of meetings, etc.) and interviewing Pike River employees. Not sifting through ash to find exactly where the first spark occured.
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:21am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      EXACTLY
      Unless they can show that Whitall was directly involved with the equipment or safety, he has no case to answer.
      If he gave direct instructions contravening safety.
      reducing inspections
      refusing funds to buy equipment or repair equipment
      removing safety staff
      etc
      None of that evidence is in the mine, it’s on file somewhere.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:41am
      - Paulus
        
        Surely the Health and Safety Manager was responsible for physically checking all things Health and Safety.
        Name Rockwell.
        
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        November 15, 2018 2:28pm
- KevOB
  
  There is no evidence either that the explosion was not behind the subsequent rock fall and most of what they’re supposedly seeking will not be available.
  
  This reeks of Westcoast Labour politics and class revenge.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:58am
- Harkman
  
  Yes exactly, and I’ve been bursting to get on here since yesterday morning to bitch about this. Bloody teachers striking and young children on my devices. $36m!! Even if you’re not a small government guy like me, that money could be spent on good drugs to keep people alive. Did they not see the gigantic flames coming out of the mine? Sadly the place is one big crematorium. Can we trust them to give us a truthful account of what caused it (probably unsafe behaviour in an unsafe environment)? What if someone dies? Will Angry Andy be prosecuted?
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:13am
  - KevOB
    
    The whole thing has been a charade. They cannot guarantee safety: the mine has a built-in gas producer! International practice is opencast for such mine sites.
    
    The West Coast was Labour’s home. The lower class bullies are well exhibited on TV. Might is not right for all. This is showing the COLS foundational classes and their unfitness to govern.
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:36am
- Kelvin Kubala
  
  Given the incompetence of this Government I fear that this stunt to enter the Pike River mine could literally blow-up in their faces. I just hope nobody dies.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:03am
- lastmanstanding
  
  My learnings from Pike River.
  
  1. The Board of Solid Energy were negligent of not having the required oversight of the CEO and ensuring appropriate H&S processes and procedures were in place.
  
  2. The CEO was negligent of not having the required oversight of the senior management and ensuring appropriate H&S processes and procedures where put in place.
  
  3. The EPMU was negligent for not ensuring their members were protected by appropriate H&S processes and procedures.
  
  4. The Labour Department were negligent for not having sufficient Mine Inspectors to ensure PR was a safe working place.
  
  Seems to me there are enough people involved to ensure the issues are never dealt with many arses are covered.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:09am
  - rangitoto
    
    What does Solid Energy have to do with it? The mine was owned and operated by Pike River Coal.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:48am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      My apologies. Major brain fade. Of course PRC Ltd
      
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      November 15, 2018 12:49pm
- KevinH
  
  I heard Bernie Monk on RNZ yesterday saying that as far as he is concerned the intention is to go beyond the drift.
  Bernie also said the objective is to collect evidence for a manslaughter prosecution. He really is a dog with a bone, and to coin another pun, won’t let sleeping dogs lay.
  Also on TVNZ news last night Tony Kokshoorn was full of praise for the coalition government for undertaking the re entry of the mine. Tony stressed that this re entry was consistent with Coaster’s belief that retrieving the deceased from mine accidents must be attempted.
  To both Bernice and Tony, the cost of the re entry was irrelevant.
  
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  November 15, 2018 11:36am
- Nermal
  
  If it can be entered safely why not carry on mining the coal?
  /s
  
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  November 15, 2018 2:43pm
Poppa

My God I am sick & tired of hearing about the mine. They are now promoting the idea that it is a crime scene & they are going there to gather evidence.

At the time I had sympathy for the families but that has long since gone. It now purely political which is nothing short of sick.

I have no idea what they believe they will find but my money is on Nothing
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November 15, 2018 8:14am
- flipper
  
  Indeed, and the half dozen pushing the re-entry BS are all money hungry. Not only have the mine families received the largest sums in compensation ever paid in New Zealand (well, since ACC started) they want more. Their objective is to sue Solid Energy, Pike River mine/Govt under the deliberate negligence section of the ACC Act.
  Frankly, the pity is that Monk and his cohorts were not in the mine when it blew ….
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:29am
  - freethinker
    
    Wasn,t Bernie Monk the mines safety officer??
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:38am
    - howitis
      
      Monk was, at the time, a publican in a nearby pub with his brother.
      He had been so for quite a while.
      His son worked in the mine.
      Monk has become like that fella who sits on the bar stool and won’t shut up.
      
      Stop serving this jabbering fool.
      
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      November 15, 2018 10:05am
- Rich Prick
  
  $23m to collect some buckets of dust. One thing is for sure, I am totally over The Families. They’ve had their 15 minutes and can fuck off now.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:40am
  - backster
    
    RP..You are well behind on cost mate $30 mill so far another $6mill budgeted but expect $50mill before it is over.
    
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    November 15, 2018 2:12pm
    - david
      
      How much did the Royal Commission cost?
      
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      November 15, 2018 3:11pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      That pretty expensive dust.
      
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      November 15, 2018 6:00pm
- howitis
  
  Fuck Pike River.
  I’m sick of hearing about it as well.
  I was following it from the early days circa 2005 as a potential investor.
  
  It was so flawed there is much contributory liability over the period 2005 to 2010.
  Problem after problem and much of it rooted back to the design.
  It was about as safe as a 1915 submarine in the war.
  
  STFU over Pike river until we have some actual accountability over the 115 dead in the CTV building.
  There were 185 deaths plus maimings from the Feb 22 2011 quake.
  115 or two thirds of all deaths were in one building.
  Without it the death toll would have been 70.
  There was a clear line of responsibility through initial Council sign off and sign off after the Dec 2010 quake. There was definable professional underperformance in design and build.
  
  115 people died who should not have.
  It was a not a ‘hazardous workplace’ like a working gas filled coal mine.
  People were in shorts and T shirts, some from overseas paying for an education.
  They should not have died.
  Others have permanent injuries like loss of limbs.
  They do not bleat all day every day.
  Perhaps they should.
  Compensation where paid was small (ACC schedule rates)
  The Pike river people have had massive payouts per capita.
  Nothing will ever make some of them happy.
  Stop now.
  
  I repeat.
  Fuck Pike River.
  It was a dangerous place with a shambolic but short history.
  Liable include greenies who pushed the appalling design;
  Owners like NZ Oil and Gas who accepted the design;
  DOC who stood by and let this happen;
  lack of professional mine inspectors;
  the whole idea sanctioned under the Clark Labour Govt;
  Andrew Little with the EPMU;
  the staff who did not stop work over the dangers;
  so on and so forth. Many were attached to this disaster to varying degrees.
  
  Gnashing of teeth will not bring back 29 lives.
  Let them RIP.
  Show some respect.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:39am
  - Yvette
    
    One vital factor you have missed, Howitis, is the $13,000 bonus which was the only reason some of those miners were still working there, having already reportedly secured work elsewhere.
    
    The men knew of the safety reputation of the mine, and on many occasions in the last two weeks they should have walked out but didn’t.
    The leaked audio, recorded on the morning of the disaster, is unbelievable – and, it seems, no longer available on YouTube, where it was for quite some time.
    
    The men involved could be almost accused of wilful determination in the face of simple common sense to remain working in the situation that lead to their deaths.
    
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    November 15, 2018 11:01am
    - howitis
      
      Thanks Yvette
      
      There are many contributory factors of varying degrees.
      A litany of events over half a decade or more.
      Many people are touched by the explosion at Pike bloody River.
      Many people have touched the process along the way with their (figurative) DNA and fingerprints attached.
      There is no one single party to blame.
      There are many who should have had the courage to stop the poor design with its attendant problems.
      Perhaps some tried.
      
      The net result is a lost business, lost lives, broken lives, shattered plans, lost employment and many parties who should let it go that won’t.
      After eight years and the constant whining, looking to blame a bogeyman (or woman) means the people still making noise are displaying mental health issues that should be addressed.
      They have not proceeded through the natural stages of grief and this is what should be attended to, not disturbing a grave or putting more lives at risk for no material gain.
      
      It seems to be driven by vengeance and the desire to prove others were wrong.
      Back to mental health again!
      
      I weep for the mother of Amber Rose Rush, the 16 year old who was murdered in her own home, in Dunedin by the 30 year old obsessive Indian doctor. The mother appears to have taken her own life out of grief. This means two deaths at the hand of this piece of scum. This is the loss of a mother/daughter/sister from this family. A mother and daughter taken from a small suburban family.
      That is a true tragedy.
      
      I feel for the people of Christchurch who lost loved ones in the Feb 2011 Christchurch earthquake and the 100,000s of people who suffered for years to put their lives back together and fought dodgy insurance companies and badly performing Fletchers.
      
      The victims of the CTV building – which includes pained family and friends- have shown quiet dignity despite many getting a rum deal e.g. there were some single child Chinese young adults who paid to be here -overseas funds and all- where the child died. The parent went from one child to none with no-one to look after them in old age in a largely pension-less society.
      Their payout. Less than $50,000.
      
      Bernie Monk and these noise makers show no respect, no dignity, nor awareness of what NZ has done to help them.
      Their behaviour – fuelled by cynical self-serving politicians and further inflamed by dishonest media – shows no cognisance of significant suffering from friends and family of people killed in road accidents; farm workers killed on the job; forestry workers killed on the job and so on.
      
      It is time to depoliticise this nonsense and get the mental health care for these people that they need.
      
      Let’s use the re-entry money instead to help people like Lisa Ann Rush (the deceased mother of a child murdered in her own home ) before it is too late.
      Care for the living.
      
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      November 15, 2018 2:05pm
  - Poppa
    
    But the difference is, Peters made it political & of course it is in Little’s interest to blame someone else other than him, so here we are
    
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    November 15, 2018 11:04am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Howitis, you have my complete support.
    When this tragedy first happened, I (like many other NZers) contributed to the appeal for families. Terrible thing, poor buggers and all that.
    But some of these families have switched occupations from coal mining to guilt mining and they’re finding it much more lucrative.
    I was already fed up with them but they plumbed the depths when they turned up to a commemoration for the Strongman victims.
    I wonder how the Strongman widows who raised their children with not a shred of assistance felt having the Pike River millionaires in their midst who are still baying for more public funding for their fools errand while the Strongman victims remain at the coal face.
    The grasping hand is never full.
    
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    November 15, 2018 6:33pm
tedbear

I read that Kiwibank is about to close their Stoke, Nelson branch.
Will we see Shane Jones slamming this Government-owned business as he did with ANZ?
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November 15, 2018 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  All four Postshops going in Dunedin.
  
  How “kiwi” is that ?
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:30am
  - jcuk
    
    You would think they would look after their devoted and brainless followers better…….
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:05am
  - tf78
    
    They seem determined to get rid of the postal vote and make no alternative but online voting to encourage the lazy young ones.
    
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    November 15, 2018 11:31am
- Dave Mann
  
  I was speaking to a sheilah who works for the post office the other day and apparently KiwiBank is going to downgrade all their agencies in post offices to basic withdrawal and deposit services only (very soon or maybe from today). This means that you won’t be able to open a KiwiBank account or make any changes to your mortgage etc via the post office’s agencies anymore.
  
  I still use the NZ Post for my business and I have to feel sorry for their agencies and staff who are seeing their livelihoods crumble away under their feet as mail volumes hit the floor. I know it’s technically correct to say that they’re a fossil from a byegone age etc…. but it must be hard to be part of. A bit like CD distributors, photolabs and DVD rentals.
  
  Sad.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:39am
  - Harkman
    
    Kiwibank has been poorly run since day one, it’s profitability has been pitiful, considering it had free use of premises. I think that even Heartland bank is more profitable with less assets. For most of the years NZ Post used its profits to prop up the bank and so it didn’t invest enough for the online revolution. Originally, the owners of the little NZ Post franchises had the idea of setting up a Fonterra type collective bank where they were all the shareholders but Anderton got wind of the idea and claimed it for his own in a grand communist scheme. Like all communist schemes the lack of individual ownership means nobody cares.
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:28am
  - Inandout
    
    Since postage reached $1.20 the few letters now sent are legal ones and those which have sensitive contents. Most accounts are now emailed and printed by the receiver and must save companies untold millions of dollars.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:10am
    - jcuk
      
      Awhile back I had a letter to post and I got myself a book of stamps with a $5 note ready to pay for it.
      I was shocked to find the cost was $12 but I coughed up and now I add a stamp when I make a donation since it has become a major expense for the charity concerned to pay for a ‘reply paid’ envolope.
      I do not add a stamp when I pay my rates considering it a small discount on the money they waste .
      
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      November 15, 2018 2:28pm
- backster
  
  Yeah well so far only 2% of Shame Jones slush fund has been spent in the whole of the South Island.
  
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  November 15, 2018 2:17pm
Paulus

Letter from Andrew Little to the Teachers

Dear Tweachers
I am sorry to have upset your odorous and exorbitant pay claims.
But I have greater need, not you and the children, for the money as my Coalition PR stunt is more important.
As former Unionist involved in the mine, I have a prior claim to enter the Drift, not the actual mine, to satisfy some of the families of those incinerated in the Pike River accident.
Now I am sure you will understand that the finding of some ashes will be a great publicity stunt ( even if we salt these).
Now what more could you want to extol the socialist virtues we now have under our great Labour Government.
It will help me to show Ardern that she is not the only omnipotent person capable of leading our great Unionist Party.
Lets face it Teachers – you voted for us, and we are sure that you will continue to do the same again and again.

Have a happy day

Andy Little

ps
Try Shane Jones he has a lot of unaccounted Koha
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November 15, 2018 8:16am
Andrei

Some lucky man has dodged a bullet
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November 15, 2018 8:16am
- Woz
  
  It’s uncritically reprinted clickbait, Andre, and likely a hoax. Snopes has been unable to fact-check and prove the story, and make the point that news outlets should do exactly that before printing/posting it.
  
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/susan-bride-wedding/
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:24am
  - Andrei
    
    You need to understand Woz that this morning a single issue fanatic had obviously been waiting with bated breath to be the first on this thread
    
    And had ready to go a very long winded diatribe on a matter of little interest to most prepared to paste into the comment form so as to set the the tone for the day
    
    As a counter I looked to post a succint item with hopefully a touch of wry humor to lighten the tone a little
    
    The offending post has in fact been deep sixed but that is the context of my item
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:40am
    - Woz
      
      I saw that and scrolled past it! Look, I was only worried that you took that stupid bride thing seriously. I first saw it pop up a good couple of months ago and it smelled fishy even before I noticed that Snopes had looked into it. Fake news, as DT calls it.
      
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      November 15, 2018 10:10am
      - Jack5
        
        But I see that Stuff has used a “file photo” to illustrate the phoney report.
        
        Could this be a bit risky, defamation-wise?
        
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        November 15, 2018 10:37am
oldpark

“A victory for the little people” says Angry Andy Little as he revealed his cunning plan to re-enter the mine known as Pike River. Of course if the demands of the far left Lunatic Green Party and supported by Helen Clark’s Liebour Party had been ignored the mine would have been a so called open cut mine. With probably no lives lost.
Think the political claptrap should be exposed and more attention should highlighed on why sadly so many miners met their deaths in an under-ground mine like Pike River. What price an open cut mine if the clock could be turned back.
Sadly even now with Angry Andy Little leading the political fiasco of spending 50 Million Dollars of Taxpayers Money by so called doing the “right thing” of putting the lives of others again, to go into the mine, probably knowing that there is no There There. What a bloody indictment.
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November 15, 2018 8:18am
- KevOB
  
  Has Treasury done a Cost/Benefit Analysis on this proposed massive expenditure?
  The families have been generously compensated.
  The proposed expenditure is huge.
  Other needs like removal of melanoma tumors are unmet.
  Is a waste of taxpayer extracted money virtuous?
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:06am
Left Right and Centre

Is it November ? Cool ! Open season for shopping mall to see how many fake decorated trees they can fit inside.

How long before NZ adds thanksgiving to the Black Friday nonsense ? How long left before we’re admitted to the union ?

I delighted in seeing some Asian fob student told that it was after 11pm – and he couldn’t purchase his wine bottle. Yes – those partitions are very tricky to decipher. We sure get the cream from China studying. Or maybe they’re all thick ? Another had his mask on. Hey – they’re ok, except I always wonder where R2D2 is when I see them.
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November 15, 2018 8:19am
Lance

I am probably a bit slow, but I thought 35 FUCKING million dollars was going to gain comprehensive access to the mine.
Turns out that is only to the bloody rockfall.
Oh FFS….
Hands up those who think the noise makers are going to be satisfied with that????

This is well on the way to 1.7 billion dollars or more
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November 15, 2018 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  All along it’s only been to the rock fall.
  
  The public was given a false impression and the media played a big part in that deceit.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And all the remains are behind the rock fall.
    Well, the dust anyway.
    What’s the f***ing point?
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:40am
- Felt
  
  For $69.95 you can go to PB Technologies, get a remote control tractor, and then drive it to the rock wall and confirm that there are no bodies this side of it.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:03am
  - KevOB
    
    Right. But first you have to clear the mine of methane less the electrics cause a spark and BOOM. That must be hazardous reducing the methane throughout to a proven level.
    
    Might be easier for all if Little and Winston just opened the place up for week and then went in with a oil soaked rag torch.
    
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    November 15, 2018 7:48pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Brushless motors = no boom.
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:56pm
tedbear

Andrew Little announces “We’re going in!
This can’t be the same Andrew Little that when he was in charge of the EMPU stated that the mine was safe?
Police Commissioner Mike Bush says he’s not ruling out the possibility of manslaughter charges over the Pike River mine explosion.
Watch out Andrew, they’re coming for you.
You want justice? I’ll give you justice, Justice Minister.

And that other politician Winston Peters – will he keep his word and be first down the mine?
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November 15, 2018 8:24am
secondcumming

*THE PHONE CALL* R18
[starring Clarke Gable & Julie Andrews]
ACT 1, SCENE 1.

CG: Hello….
JA: Hi hon, it’s me…..
CG: Who?
JA: Me! The PM…
CG: Sorry sugar, didn’t recognise the voice!
JA: It’s probably this cheap burner-phone. Anyway, how’s bubs?
CG: Yeah, she’s been fine.
JA: That’s good. Did the new lawnmower arrive?
CG: Not yet. Been held up at Customs apparently.
JA: Maybe I’ll give Ian a ring and see if he can help.
CG: Hasn’t Richie already called him?
JA: Yeah, but another hurry-along from me wouldn’t go astray.
CG: While you’re talking to him, tell him to trim that fucking ridiculous beard. He’s starting to look like an Imam rather than an Ian.
JA: (laughs) And get rid of those silly horn rims – he must think they make him look intelligent!
CG: Yeah, we’ve got news for him…..
JA: Well anyway, better get my arse into gear, lots of photo shoots today. Just wanted to make sure everybody was okay while I’m away. You been getting some sleep?
CG: Sleeping like a baby…..crying all night and shitting myself. [click] Hello, hello…….are you there prime minister?

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1062195573011480576
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November 15, 2018 8:25am
VicParking

One of our Whanganui councillors has come out and said that “We must do better”. On reading further its not the Councillors who must do better its the Ratepayers. This is the Councillor who has called for a “holistic rates-funded kerbside pickup for everyone”???. “It would cost”, but the councillor says, “we need to decide what’s more important; the environment or our back pockets.“ Sorry my back pocket wins every time when it come to this Council who wasted $32m on a failed Wastewater system and contracted out the Rubbish to a Chinese Company who have decided to walk away from it.
p.s. The same company owns the only landfill in the region so any replacement will cost twice as much.
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November 15, 2018 8:28am
- Nukuleka
  
  Where’s this place ‘Whanganui’?
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Just down the road from Whaverley.
    
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    November 15, 2018 8:42am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      And north of Whӗllὶńĝtöň
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:07am
      - RRM
        
        New Zillund.
        
        You can get fush & chups there.
        
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        November 15, 2018 9:07am
      - Rich Prick
        
        I love how you pretty your writing up with eyebrows.
        
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        November 15, 2018 10:25am
- KevOB
  
  The Chinese own/control the NZ main rubbish collection industry.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:08am
  - G152
    
    I was unaware our PM was owned /grin
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:59am
  - kowtow
    
    Then it’s Wong Ah Newey.
    
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    November 15, 2018 5:06pm
MCos

I see someone appears to be grizzling about Christmas this morning.
Makes a change from all the usual gripes about RNZ, Jews from you know who, Little, Adern & Neve, Galloway etc

Is there anybody happy out there?
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November 15, 2018 8:41am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yup. Me 🙂
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:10am
secondcumming

wife: [watching the news] they were saying some idiot tried to fight with a squid at kelly tarltons
me: [covered in ink] maybe the squid was being a dick
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November 15, 2018 8:53am
BeaB

Radio nz excelled itself this morning. Guy on doing his cheap sneer at the Aussies while Steve Tew calmly told him he was sitting having a beer with them at that very moment.
Then another lame comedian act with the shop owner from Greymouth who laconically refused to play along.
Then both of them, Guyon and Suzie, having a go at National rather than conducting an interview.
Suzie wasn’t even listening to NickSmith’s answers. She was too busy pouncing with her adolescent arguments.
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November 15, 2018 8:53am
- lifesgood
  
  Turn it off! Why torture yourself listening to those One eyed, pretentious lefties? I turned off months ago and life is so much better.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:08am
  - peterwn
    
    This one is worth a listen! especially the last few minutes. Suzie Ferguson sounds like a Labour Party plant, wonder if she was on Clair Curran’s speed dial.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018671303/nick-smith-criticises-govt-over-contractor-spending
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:25am
RRM

Southern is remanded in custody over death of her daughter Comfort.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=12160091

#SmalltownNZ
#justGhettoThings
#trash
#Fly free, poor child.
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November 15, 2018 9:02am
krazykiwi

Time for some libtard heads to explode: Fox News supports CNN and Jim Acosta in lawsuit against Trump.
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November 15, 2018 9:05am
- KevOB
  
  Bash all their heads together. When its your castle you make the rules who can enter and what they may properly do there.
  Would CNN allow an invasion of their Boardroom?
  
  “Law” is out of control in the USA. They seem well on their way to becoming a failed state independent of any President.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:14am
- VicParking
  
  Problem is the “Constitution does not allow a federal court to issue this kind of order to the White House,” while the “First Amendment does not protect” Acosta’s actions.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:53am
- Jules99
  
  Scott Adams had an interesting take on this. Fox’s involvement won’t change the outcome, but now they can point to this move when they are criticised for being on the Trump payroll. Fox News took ‘a free punch with no cost’.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:09am
- All_on_Red
  
  Acosta hasn’t had his access taken away.
  He can still go but instead of just using his ‘hard card’ ( which they took off him) to swipe in, he has to sign in every time and get a paper pass.
  It’s more an inconvenience than denial of entry
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:22am
Manolo

The Argentinian socialist continues to spout rubbish:
https://apnews.com/064ffe09bc6e4fa9bf5a6c73692a9fe7

Pope Francis is denouncing gossip as a form of “terrorism” and is warning the faithful against telling lies.

He repeated his complaint about gossip, saying it “kills because the tongue kills like a knife.” He warned: “Gossipers are terrorists because with their tongues they drop a bomb and then leave, and the bomb they drop destroys reputations everywhere.”

“Don’t forget: to gossip is to kill.”
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November 15, 2018 9:17am
- Harkman
  
  Obviously there’s some gossip going on about him.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:31am
secondcumming

BREAKING…..the SMH reports:

Muslim men all found guilty of plotting deadly terrorist attack in Melbourne……
lawyer describes one of the defendants as a ‘fish brain’ –

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1062792129360158721
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November 15, 2018 9:27am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  snooze button alert,
  
  More
  Replying to @smh
  They look like anyone’s ol’ mates, Johno, Jacko and Robbo
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:32am
  - secondcumming
    
    Just for the record ‘stephieboy’, I actually quite enjoy reading your responses and have never once down-ticked you……that doesn’t mean I don’t think you’re a koont.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:07am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    snooze button alert
    
    Why don’t you read the article, and tell us if you think this is snooze material:
    
    On November 2, a Supreme Court jury found Mohamed, 26, Abdullah Chaarani, 28, and Chaarani’s cousin, 23-year-old Hamza Abbas, guilty of planning to carry out a mass bombing attack which was also to have featured knives and guns on or around Christmas Day 2016 in Melbourne’s CBD.
    
    The article notes:
    
    All four men were born in Australia to migrant parents, were educated, and employed in various jobs such as painting, electrical work and washing cars.
    
    This is the point that David Garrett and others have made here at Kiwiblog – there’s potentially a new generation of “sleeper terrorists” who are at risk of becoming radicalised and murdering innocent people in the name of some fucked-up ideology.
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:19am
    - jcuk
      
      I have felt for quite a time now that the problem is not those who come to make anew life for themselves but rather their children who are not supported to become good citizens of the country.
      
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      November 15, 2018 2:39pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Actually stephie, they look like anyone’s mates Ahmed Mohamed, Abdullah Chaarani and Hamza Abbas; have you seen their pictures?
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/three-men-guilty-of-plotting-to-rain-christmas-day-terror-on-melbourne-20181102-p50dow.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1542173894
    
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    November 15, 2018 10:35am
- Inandout
  
  Muslims are basically thick and even the ‘brainy’ ones get sucked in by the Koran crap.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:18am
stephieboy

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Donald Trump’s ‘Doomsday scenario is here’

A fascinating look at post mid terms as Trump and his team contemplate bleak prospects ahead of them. If it hadn’t been for GOP voter suppression , gerrymandering etc the mid term would of been a blue wave tsunami . Also the Mueller investigation will resume unabated and the tax cuts will see $1 trillion added to the over blown US deficit.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12160273
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November 15, 2018 9:29am
- Harkman
  
  There was no blue wave in the Senate. Actually the Gerrymandering went on this time in blue states you idiot: California, Illinois, Maryland and Pennsylvania. Deficits were a $1T under Obama, with a smaller economy.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:35am
  - stephieboy
    
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    How decades-old process called ‘gerrymandering’ slowed down the ‘Blue Wave’
    THE midterm election results were a shock to many. But one sneaky little trick made all the difference — and it was totally legal.
    
    YOU’VE no doubt seen the phrase “Blue Wave” a lot in the news these past few days.
    
    The term refers to a wave of Democratic support that was supposed to breathe new life into the American Congress.
    
    The Democrats gained at least 26 House seats and won the popular vote by seven points. It was certainly a win for the party, but it could have been greater had it not been for a questionable — but ultimately legal — decades-old process called “gerrymandering”.
    
    Gerrymandering involves one political party strategically manipulating the electoral boundaries so it can land more of its own representatives into Congress.
    
    In Australia, this is not a thing — but we’ll come back to that.
    Experts say the process has largely given Republicans a significant political advantage since 2010.
    Here’s how gerrymandering works.
    
    WHO GETS ELECTED TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES?
    
    Every state in the US is broken up into a number of districts…”
    
    Now Read on and see and how it has been used by the GOP to their advantage over time.
    
    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/how-decadesold-process-called-gerrymandering-slowed-down-the-blue-wave/news-story/8525fd8065d8b25e4bcdbee502b2fef8
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:51am
    - cmm
      
      How much advantage does allowing illegals to vote give the Democrats?
      
      The Blue Wave did not need slowing down. There was none.
      
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      November 15, 2018 9:58am
      - Inandout
        
        Bit like our yoof vote psunami.
        
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        November 15, 2018 10:19am
- Jules99
  
  What’s even more fascinating is how the Dems consistently accuse the Reps of doing exactly what they are doing. Straight from Hillary Clinton’s mentor Saul Alinsky’s book Rules for Radicals.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:12am
Rich Prick

Is it mental health week or something?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/108178948/nonbinary-finery-the-kiwis-whose-gender-doesnt-fit-in-a-neat-little-box
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November 15, 2018 9:29am
- Tarquin North
  
  I see they’ve closed comments on this one, probably because most people think it’s absolutely ridiculous and everyone is starting to realise what a brain dead cabbage Tracey Martin really is. Yet another reason not to vote NZF.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:04am
- cmm
  
  The people who want to be able to change birth certificates are crazy.
  
  A birth certificate, if it is to be any use at all, is to record some facts:
  * you were born on 24 April, 1976
  * you were born in Christchurch, NZ
  * you were born male
  * your name is Jimmy Bloggs
  * your parents are etc etc
  
  You don’t change your birth certificate if you move town, so why should you change your birth certificate if you decide to change gender?
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:07am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    You can’t actually change your gender. You can dress up in clothes more commonly associated with the opposite gender, and you may perform cosmetic surgery but it doesn’t change your gender.
    
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    November 15, 2018 11:39am
- Woz
  
  It’s wall to wall queers right now. It’s going to become increasingly difficult for architects to fit everything into buildings – non-binary toilets, prayer rooms for Muslims…
  
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  November 15, 2018 11:19am
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Why Every Jewish Soldier Should Refuse
By Shamai Leibowitz, Attorney, Tank Gunner in Reserve Duty, Tel Aviv

Ruling Over a Hostile Population
Our rule over three million Palestinian Arabs in the territories has perforce put us in a position of committing a number of moral outrages. Continued rule will necessitate not only continued denial of many basic rights to Palestinians, but will require our taking additional steps which are reprehensible, if not morally questionable. While we certainly did not set out intentionally to kill hundreds of innocent civilians, these are willy-nilly consequences of such a position. To maintain our rule we will have to continue to mete out collective punishment that often cruelly affects those who are not guilty.

Among the steps we have taken is the enclosing of millions of humans in their cities, towns, and villages. We often deny basic rights such as the right to earn a living, , to study, to move freely, to purchase basic necessities, to vote, to travel for medical care, to move sick or injured to medical facilities, etc. But most severe is that innocent civilians die. What is happening now is more than unintentional collateral deaths of civilians. Israel has resorted to forays of terror which are severe violations of the Geneva Convention and the Hague Convention.

Read more…..

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/opinions/archives_shamai2
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November 15, 2018 9:35am
- Nostradamus
  
  Morrissey:
  
  This lawyer seems to be batting for your team?
  
  A 50-year-old woman has been arrested for abusing Air India staff on a flight from Mumbai to London after she was denied alcohol on the plane.
  …
  “F*** off! I’m a f***ing international criminal lawyer and a barrister. You will be p***ed on in court!”
  …
  Another video showing the continuation of the argument, which has been shared on social media by local journalist Tarun Shukla, captures the woman claiming to be the lawyer ‘for the Palestinian people’.
  
  “You’ll be f***ing shot. All you had to do was to give me a f***ing drink.”
  
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  November 15, 2018 11:19am
  - Morrissey
    
    One foolish woman in a plane traveling from India to Britain justifies the shooting and maiming of unarmed protestors in Gaza…. how, exactly?
    
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    November 15, 2018 11:59am
    - Garbageman
      
      Morrissey prefers terrorist govts like Hamas & this CoL both brainwash their brain-dead followers and the wee sheepy just go baa, how about those 300 odd missiles kites & rockets the Hamas scum launched in just one day this week the only real surprise is that the Israelis dont just wipe the lot of them out because if the shoe was on the other foot we know what would happen to the Jews dont we
      
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      November 15, 2018 12:06pm
      - Morrissey
        
        ????
        
        You’re an idiot. Sorry, that’s as positive as I can be in your case.
        
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        November 15, 2018 4:01pm
- DJ Ward
  
  It is correct to say that any person who is given instructions by an authority of government to do something must:
  
  Decide if that instruction is an act of Genocide.
  Decide if that instruction is an act of a Crime Against Humanity.
  
  Decide if that instruction is a contributing act of a Genocide. IE administering a process where women are led to believe the child is genetically theirs, but it’s not. Eliminating them from the gene pool.
  Decide if that instruction is a contributing act of a Crime Against Humanity. IE turning a blind eye to Mass Paternity Fraud resultants in an administrator role.
  
  Apparently Jews make trustworthy Lawyers.
  Soldiers without a moral compass.
  Just saying.
  
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  November 15, 2018 1:10pm
Harkman

So this time last week Chch dropped in the space of exactly 24 hours from 27.ish°c @ 1PM to 5.4°c. That has to be some sort of day to day record drop. It is also something that shouldn’t happen under the Al Gore/ Russell Norman global warming theory.
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November 15, 2018 9:41am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Yesterday I read a report from a genuine scientist noting the outer atmosphere has both cooled and shrunk due to a lack of sunspots occuring.
  
  Look for Gore, Norman etc to start demanding taxpayer money to combat global cooling any time soon.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:50am
  - DJ Ward
    
    That’s the outer atmosphere and it has virtualy no real bearing on the inner atmosphere in regard to temperature.
    
    Overall the peak variance hitting the earths atmosphere is only 1W. Sun spots vary the wavelength profile. The wavelengths affected cause the most effect the outer atmosphere.
    
    Otherwise the variable output is negligible.
    Add to that the base line temp is -15 degC not 0degK. So any % change in Suns energy has resultant smaller effect. If temp is 10 degC and input energy drops 1% then you get 0.25 degC drop or rise.
    Historic max, and min sun variance is less than 0.1%.
    The max effect is about 0.025 deg C.
    
    You used a go to anti climate warming argument.
    It’s very good a diversion but is irrelevant.
    
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    November 15, 2018 1:47pm
    - KevOB
      
      The outer layer interacts with cosmic radiation and that in turn is involved further with cloud seeding. There is great deal going on upstairs which UN models ignore.
      
      There is a reasonable expectation that demand for blankets will increase. We should know within 10 years whether we fry or become icicles. I doubt if climate change action will have any affect except to milk taxpayers.
      
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      November 15, 2018 7:56pm
- Garbageman
  
  Sorry to burst your bubble there Harkman but thats a daily occurrence down here in Invers
  
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  November 15, 2018 12:15pm
  - Harkman
    
    Really? So one day you can have say 22.1°c at 1.15PM and then the next day at the same time 0°c? Heck. But you can see the point I made?
    
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    November 15, 2018 1:16pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      It’s global warming.
      
      If you have high pressure (hot) volume of gas you must have a corresponding low pressure (cold) volume of gas. When the overall volume of gas is constant.
      
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      November 15, 2018 1:55pm
      - KevOB
        
        Where’s the Feymann level of proof?
        
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        November 15, 2018 8:05pm
    - Garbageman
      
      We can have that in an hour m8 and as i am one of those deplorable “deniers” i do see the point you are making
      
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      November 15, 2018 2:24pm
- kowtow
  
  Talking of Al Bore and such matters , I can’t see Turdeau signing off a bear cull.
  
  Environmental/identity politics shit fight coming up.
  
  “Inuit believe there are now so many bears that public safety has become a major concern,” said one section of the report, according to the Canadian Press. “Public safety concerns, combined with the effects of polar bears on other species, suggest that in many Nunavut communities, the polar bear may have exceeded the coexistence threshold.”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/13/polar-bear-numbers-canadian-arctic-inuit-controversial-report
  
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  November 15, 2018 1:45pm
wiseowl

Yesterday an Australian journo exposed the fact that the UN not only has a global compact on immigration but also a compact on refugees.
Credlin is finding out more and hopefully will cover on her Sky programme tonight.
A number of countries are not signing up to the immigration agreement even though it is supposedly non binding.
There is no way NZ should be signing up .
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November 15, 2018 9:43am
- krazykiwi
  
  If Ardern isn’t permitted to be first in line with her signing crayon it’ll all be stompy stompy shouty shout
  
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  November 15, 2018 1:25pm
- KevOB
  
  It feels treasonous for NZ to sign up to these Treaties without full prior agreement of 75% of Parliament.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:07pm
MCos

A couple of 15 month old conjoined twins from Bhutan have been separated in a Melbourne Hospital.
How fantastic is that!
The little buggers are so young that they’re probably not aware that being apart is the natural order of things and cry when when they’re apart!
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/mum-left-happy-and-confused-by-her-conjoined-twins-separation-20181114-p50g1o.html
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November 15, 2018 9:46am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You’re right MCos; it is fantastic, and a credit to the surgical team involved.
  
  Ironically, the surgery was taking place last Friday at the same time as a terrorist was trying to inflict mayhem on the city. It’s hard to think of two more extreme incidents on the scale of humanity happening simultaneously in the same city.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:55am
GazzaW

When both Mike Lee and the Herald present a united front against Twyford and his airport tram project you know that once again Twyford has presented the taxpayer with another dud.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12159189
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November 15, 2018 9:46am
- GazzaW
  
  Oops. Herald link not functioning properly unless you are interested in polar issues. Mike Lee’s article is in this mornings Herald.
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:51am
  - VicParking
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12159819
    
    819 not 189
    
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    November 15, 2018 9:59am
    - GazzaW
      
      Thanks VP
      
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      November 15, 2018 10:08am
secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Is *Jim Acosta* a koont?
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November 15, 2018 10:01am
- Inandout
  
  He is a reporter ‘tart’ and a prick of the highest order. Gee I wonder if he has groped in his lifetime?
  
  https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/271886/you-wont-have-jim-acosta-kick-around-anymore-daniel-greenfield
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:24am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Trump should have grabbed him by the pussy.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeV74RiLeTk
  
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  November 15, 2018 11:55am
- stephieboy
  
  RANDOM PERTINENT QUESTION, are you a piece of honkey Trailer trash?
  
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  November 15, 2018 12:41pm
  - secondcumming
    
    ABSOFUCKENLUTELY – next question? 😎
    
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    November 15, 2018 1:01pm
- Harkman
  
  Short answer, Yes!
  
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  November 15, 2018 1:17pm
RF

Is Ardern setting a bad example to young mothers by not believing in vaccinations. I understand that Arderns accessory – the royal Bub – has not been vaccinated for polio. Currently there is an outbreak up at PNG so the Bub was farmed out to family.

When the kid goes to pre school they are really going to love her …. not….
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November 15, 2018 10:33am
- SGA
  
  Oh dear – some KBers’ fascination with the PM’s family seems to turning the place into a a “bizarro-world” version of Women’s Day.
  
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  November 15, 2018 10:55am
  - Nostradamus
    
    SGA:
    
    Have you offered similar advice to Audrey Young (NZ Herald Political editor)?
    
    Six days without Neve: Jacinda Ardern riding solo to Singapore, Papua New Guinea
    
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    November 15, 2018 11:23am
    - SGA
      
      No. I can’t say I have much interest in the PM’s family, and the relentless attention that they get on Kiwiblog I find tiresome. But, hey, if it turns your wheels…
      
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      November 15, 2018 11:27am
      - Poppa
        
        She uses the baby as a fashion accessory SGA so maybe she should keep it out of the news
        
        The fisherman is pretty keen on camera as well
        
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        November 15, 2018 11:39am
      - SGA
        
        errr… yeah, and solution is to turn Kiwblog into a bizarro Women’s Day?
        
        Can you see why someone like me finds both rather tiresome?
        
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        November 15, 2018 11:43am
      - Garbageman
        
        Lets just call it payback for the years Sir John Key and his family had to endure the never-ending abuse from the left, personally i dont indulge in the family attacks but on the other hand fuck the two faced socialist pricks that think for some reason now its unfair to criticize this shallow liar with her wee political point scoring accessory in tow everywhere and im not referring to the opportunistic fishy smelling fella either
        
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        November 15, 2018 12:26pm
      - SGA
        
        Really? The Standard, say, had dozens and dozens of posts, day after day after day after day, concerning Key’s family. I don’t know, I rarely looked there – was that what it was like?
        
        At the end of the day, of course, people are free to post here what they think is important, and others are free to find it tiresome.
        
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        November 15, 2018 12:33pm
      - sooty
        
        That’s what you get when you put you self out there as Kardashians off the twiteratti off Ak.
        I just call it shit for brains, the both of them.
        
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        November 15, 2018 12:40pm
      - stephieboy
        
        SGA and Nostradamus, which Joe and Jane Public blithely ignore and couldn’t care less!
        
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        November 15, 2018 12:45pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Garbageman, which John Key and family totally ignored and Jacinda Adern and family do the same!
      
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      November 15, 2018 12:43pm
      - Garbageman
        
        As they should but wait until JKs favorite band makes a song about raping one of Arderns family then we will see just how tolerant the left are because it was all good back then eh
        
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        November 15, 2018 12:59pm
- Inandout
  
  When I house our dog in kennels we must provide proof of vaccinations, but I didn’t realise pre schools were not required to enrol only immunised children. Where is Work Place when you need them?
  
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  November 15, 2018 12:28pm
  - Jules99
    
    Yeah it irritates me. My vet says the kennel cough vaccine is ineffective but all the kennels say my dog has to have it.
    
    The people who want all children to be indoctrinated by the state have a problem – if you refuse access to the school due to non-vaccination, the kids will be home schooled. That means the state has little access to them to programme them to be willing worker bees. Gasp! They might form independent opinions. Schools do ask for evidence of vaccination but they don’t have the power to refuse the child if it’s not provided.
    
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    November 15, 2018 2:50pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Enrolled a child for school next year.
      Has been vaccinated but if I ticked the ‘yes’ box I had to get certificate of proof from the doctor.
      Who has time for that?
      I just ticked ‘no’, problem solved.
      
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      November 15, 2018 6:53pm
- sam green
  
  Where did you get the notion that she doesn’t “believe” in vaccinations?
  
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  November 15, 2018 12:39pm
  - sam green
    
    Oh that’s right – nowhere.
    
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    November 15, 2018 1:22pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      sam, you must know by now that whenever your name pops up that’s a signal for downticks whatever you have to say.
      
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      November 15, 2018 8:12pm
EAD_TWO

Ain’t hindsight a wonderful thing?

Landing on the beaches of Normandy….

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanielaAdela1/status/1060076474416447488/photo/1
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November 15, 2018 11:35am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, your Adolf was sleeping at the time and the Nazi High Command had to wait for him to wake before taking ( ultimately ) futile counter measures!
  
  In a less than a year it was all over for his and your 1000 year Reich!
  
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  November 15, 2018 12:36pm
Poppa

So Twyford is saying the new letting fee that the letting agents will be charging is not unintended consequence. Wake up Phil!!

It was always going to happen you idiot! And it was always going to go on the rent, so a long term tenant will end up paying many times more than they would have
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November 15, 2018 11:37am
- sooty
  
  If the tenants on 12mth contract, divide by 12 and add to rent. If they are casual agreement, you would need to at least double or treble that and add to the rent.
  
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  November 15, 2018 12:36pm
  - dime
    
    and then if the tenant stays two years they pay double the fee. glorious
    
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    November 15, 2018 1:59pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12160462

So a woman gets 150hrs of sentence and pinged $500 for saying someone is a sex worker.

Why?

Does a plumber or a programmer throw a paddy if someone says that’s what their job is?

Being a sex worker is a legitimate occupation. Why should someone get upset if someone says what your occupation is?

If the sex worker’s mother got upset about it that’s between the sex worker and the mother then that’s the mother being sex-worker-phobic.

If you’re worried your mother might get upset about you being a sex worker then don’t be a sex worker.

But no, it’s always someone else’s fault!
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November 15, 2018 11:45am
- Jack5
  
  This is an interesting question. My sympathy’s with the woman who was charged.
  
  Prostitution was made legal, and there were many consequences, such as the Department of Labour preparing safe-practice recommendations and publications for prostitutes. That was beneficial if it reduced incidence of venereal disease.
  
  But, I agree with CMM. If you have a legal occupation, can you, for example, sue someone for defamation for revealing what your occupation is?
  
  Will this occupation be included on electoral rolls? On passports? Or is it legal to keep your legal occupation secret, or to lie about it on official documents?
  
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  November 15, 2018 2:25pm
- DJ Ward
  
  There’s nothing wrong with saying someone is a sex worker.
  The line is crossed when you label a person with all the moral slander.
  
  X is a slut whore. She is a prostitute therefore I proved it.
  Well that may be true for a few people but that doesn’t make it true for her, the individual.
  
  It’s also DV under the act to behave like this towards a partners new partner. A qualifying act for granting of protection orders.
  
  She in not attacking all prostitutes, just this one individual shows the motive of revenge, and intent to cause harm to that person.
  
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  November 15, 2018 2:56pm
  - Jack5
    
    It gets more complicated. If DJ Ward is right, and the line crossed was “moral slander” is it “moral slander” to identify someone as a prostitute? It is a legal occupation.
    
    The newspaper report says the angry wife online called the prostitute a “”diseased town bicycle.”
    
    I can see that “diseased” could be defamatory, but can it be defamatory to call a prostitute a “town bicycle”? That, in a derogatory way, just accuses the woman of being promiscuous. Is it offensive to call a prostitute promiscuous?
    
    As a rough colonial, I would have thought it might be more insulting to say a prostitute was unable to be promiscuous.
    
    These are nuances we have yet to adjust to.
    
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    November 15, 2018 3:55pm
    - Jack5
      
      DJ Ward also suggests that in the case we are discussing, the behaviour might be classed as “DV” (presumably domestic violence).
      
      Is it “DV” when a wife publicly insults the prostitute who her husband, whom the wife apparently is still living with, is having extra-marital sex? Does the prostitute in that case still qualify as a “DV” partner?
      
      Perhaps DJWard can tell us whether, if a wife publicly insults any sexual partner of her husband, is that, too “DV”?
      
      If so, the term “domestic” is getting pretty wide in its meaning.
      
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      November 15, 2018 4:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops, I need to correct that 4.07 post. I’ve re-read the newspaper article and it says … she [the prostitute] had been dating the accused woman’s estranged partner for about six weeks, and did not meet him through the escort agency she worked for.
        
        So it sounds like the man’s relationship with the prostitute occurred after he was “estranged” from his wife. So the sex worker was a subsequent partner.
        
        It sounds as though DJ Ward is right in saying the public humiliation might be “DV”. My apologies, DJW.
        
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        November 15, 2018 4:22pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        All good Jack.
        
        You still made a good point.
        
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        November 15, 2018 8:27pm
dime

lmao creepy porn lawyer arrested

https://www.tmz.com/2018/11/14/michael-avenatti-arrested-domestic-violence-stormy-daniels-attorney/
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November 15, 2018 12:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  dime, dismayed that he happens to be a honkey?
  
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  November 15, 2018 12:48pm
  - dime
    
    i have zero idea what that means NPC
    
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    November 15, 2018 12:53pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      It’s cockney for “hung like a donkey”
      
      Honkey.
      
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      November 15, 2018 3:01pm
- rangitoto
  
  I guess that means he’s well qualified to be on the Dem ticket for 2020.
  
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  November 15, 2018 1:24pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Or Attorney General for Minnesota
    
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    November 15, 2018 2:15pm
Cobolt24

H.R. 5682 the FIRST STEP act.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-h-r-5682-first-step-act/

First, it will provide new incentives for low-risk inmates to learn the skills they need to find employment, avoid old habits, and follow the law when they are released from prison.

Third, the bill includes reasonable sentencing reforms while keeping dangerous and violent criminals off our streets.

I left the second out as it’s just putting them closer to families for rehabilitation, but still, a good step and a good act.
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November 15, 2018 1:06pm
- Cobolt24
  
  I doubt you’ll see a story like this on RNZ or One News..
  
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  November 15, 2018 1:09pm
Monique Watson

Tana Umaga is gone.
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November 15, 2018 1:21pm
- dime
  
  good move for Tana. get the fuck outta there
  
  up n under MacDonald looks to be a good coach. brave move from him
  
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  November 15, 2018 2:05pm
- MCos
  
  Tana is still there. He’s been demoted after the Blues three abysmal years with him as chief coach following John Kirwin’s poor record.
  Let’s see how the team shapes up under Leon McDonald.
  A few years ago Todd Blackadder had a poor run with the Crusaders. Once Scott Robertson took over they have beaten everyone.
  Games like rugby are highly reliant on teamwork and fitness and having a bunch a organised strugglers can do well against a disorganised bunch of talented big shots.
  
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  November 15, 2018 3:12pm
- Longknives
  
  Like Graham Lowe said –
  (Which upset the shrieking Lefties)
  ‘Bro Culture’ will wreck a Footy Team…
  
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  November 15, 2018 3:53pm
- RF
  
  Monique
  
  What took them so long… About bloody time….
  
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  November 15, 2018 4:11pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Leon’s a good man. Detail focused and is big on discipline and accountability. Just what Blues need and Auckland got this year in the NPC.
  
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  November 15, 2018 5:44pm
Ross12

Will James Shaw and the PM wake up to reality? Of course not –such a stupid question for them but hopefully Joe Public will take notice.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/jo.nova/guest/aust/academic/climate-study-group/article%20RMorgan_AustQP_Nov2018%20clear%2001.pdf
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November 15, 2018 3:16pm
Steve (North Shore)

Some fun. Was at the local mall to buy some bottles of adult medicine. I got my Trump 2020 hat on. 4 young guys with skateboards are walking towards me. I spies my hat and starts backing away, making stupid grunting noises. So I said to the others “what’s the matter with that fucking wanker?”
“Oh he doesn’t like your hat and he’s offended”
“So what? nothing happens when you are offended”
“I think you should take it off”
“I think you can fuck off. If he wants it off he can come and try to take it off”
Then Security came and spoiled everything. Such fun though, watching this silly little prick get triggered. And I kept my hat on LOL
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November 15, 2018 3:26pm
- Longknives
  
  Tell them you are offended by their Che Guevara T Shirts..
  
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  November 15, 2018 3:51pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    I don’t get offended – nothing happens. Besides, these kids have an IQ lower than room temperature
    
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    November 15, 2018 4:07pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Steve:
  
  Was at the local mall … Then Security came and spoiled everything
  
  Did you see have the same unpleasant experience as Longknives?
  
  some creepy guy behind me in a Trenchcoat was fondling himself. He kept muttering something about ‘Young Honeypots’
  
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  November 15, 2018 4:45pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Nah. I do wish that Security did not step around the corner, would have been fun
    
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    November 15, 2018 4:58pm
MCos

I see Gull is peddling petrol at under $2.20 lit. in Auckland. As low as $2.11.
Last month on this very forum some gloomy people were predicting anything up to $3 by Christmas.
The dollar is up & oil prices are down.

Mind you it’s not Christmas yet!

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/will_petrol_hit_250_a_litre.html
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November 15, 2018 3:37pm
- rangitoto
  
  Thank Mr Trump.
  
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  November 15, 2018 4:04pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The up dollar has had a small effect.
  Much more significant is that the barrell price has gone from US$84 to 67 in the last two weeks.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:16pm
Steve (North Shore)

More on Trump and Acosta.
Hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPtLGr9sZr0
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November 15, 2018 3:43pm
ROJ

Stuff has a report that students are upset about the use of the word “trivial” in a history exam.

1) Instead of plain English, they want a longer two words “not significant” !!

2) Their teachers are wanting more pay ??
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November 15, 2018 4:00pm
Longknives

Had to laugh- Last night my wife and her friend from the UK were sitting having a wine with dinner.
Jacinda Ardern appeared on the news at her latest overseas Conference/Shopping Trip/Whatever..
Our friend was horrified-
“What the fuck is she wearing?”
“Do you not pay your Prime Minister enough to get a decent set of clothes?”

Ardern really is a dreadful creature- Our friend was horrified when we told her that she wore that same old coat and those clunky boots when she met Prince Harry and Meghan!
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November 15, 2018 4:31pm
- RF
  
  Our PM is a dumpster diver….
  
  Nothing but the best for Cindy… Joke…
  
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  November 15, 2018 4:37pm
- nasska
  
  I’d happily look down the back of the settee for loose change to buy her a nice new industrial strength paper bag to wear over her head in public. 🙂
  
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  November 15, 2018 5:32pm
- sam green
  
  Such fashionistas. Colour me surprised.
  
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  November 15, 2018 5:34pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Sam:
    
    Starboard told us that you auditioned for the NZ season of Queer Eye for the Not-So-Straight Guy. Surely you have some fashion tips for Jacinda and Clarke?
    
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    November 15, 2018 5:37pm
    - nasska
      
      Sam could loan her a pair of his arseless chaps.
      
      No, on second thoughts I don’t think we’re ready for that yet! 🙂
      
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      November 15, 2018 5:43pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        We tend to be modest folk here at Kiwiblog but, thanks to the likes of Dime, we moved past a PG environment into X-rated territory at least 2.5 years ago!
        
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        November 15, 2018 5:47pm
      - nasska
        
        Fortunately, as a country lad born & bred, I’ve never been exposed to such depravity.
        
        It’s highly unlikely, however, that Dime will ever be accused of leading the “sheltered life” he referred to. 🙂
        
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        November 15, 2018 5:52pm
      - stigie
        
        Sam could team up with Dad being the experts that they are with fashion and fitting, mind you Dad has expertise in heifers so im told..?
        
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        November 15, 2018 5:54pm
      - sam green
        
        Mrs green is using the arseless chaps. Sorry boys.
        
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        November 15, 2018 10:38pm
  - Longknives
    
    Sam if a National Prime Minister turned up to greet Royals looking like the Proverbial ‘sack of arseholes’ I would be horrified and commenting on that also.
    I wouldn’t accept Bill English or John Key meeting Harry and Meghan in their trackies and Sunday cardigan- So why should we accept Ardern mooching around, seemingly never changing her ragged old clothes, and generally looking like a bag lady?
    *Christ does she even bother to do her hair?..
    
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    November 15, 2018 5:48pm
    - sam green
      
      All this in your fashionista opinion. Are you Ru Paul?
      
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      November 15, 2018 10:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Dither, Delay and Dissemble…

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/376006/immigration-nz-extends-review-of-minister-s-karel-sroubek-decision

Now why would the CoL want to push this review into a Parliamentary sitting session?
(3week session begins on 27th Nov)
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November 15, 2018 4:35pm
- KevOB
  
  The concession was at Sroubek’s legal team request.
  Note he can afford a legal team a.k.a high priced lawyers. He must have money.
  
  Why wasn’t the request just denied?
  This seems to be compounding the prior peculiarities.
  
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  November 15, 2018 8:19pm
Jack5

Whale has an article alleging collaboration between Merkel and Zuckerburg on Facebook censorship, and similar collaboration between Macron and Zuckerburg.

The suggestion is that Merkel the Mad and Macron want to use the justification of “hate speech” to shut down criticism of their policies, especially in immigration and Islam.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/11/what-facebook-france-fascism-have-in-common/
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November 15, 2018 4:41pm
stigie

Ardern said:-

“We are a geographically-isolated nation that places huge reliance on the economic benefit derived from us engaging in trade, and we need some predictability around that.”

To get a better outcome, you need to stop slagging off the President of the United States !~
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November 15, 2018 4:53pm
Ross12

Teachers are pushing for extra pay. This article suggests some should not be in the job.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/108620095/students-launch-petition-after-being-flummoxed-by-word-trivial-in-nzqa-exam
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November 15, 2018 4:55pm
- rangitoto
  
  Extra pay should not even be considered until students know the meaning of commonly used words by year thirteen, if not earlier.
  
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  November 15, 2018 7:14pm
Nostradamus

From Australia: Pads and tampons would be free in Victorian state schools under Labor election promise

Labor: The Victorian Government has pledged to provide free tampons and pads in Victorian state school toilets it wins the November 24 election. Health Minister Jill Hennessy said access to female sanitary items should be seen as a “basic necessity” along with hand soap and toilet paper.

Coaltion: The Opposition pledged to create a new unit within the Department of Justice to help deport non-citizens that have a violent criminal record. Opposition Leader Matthew Guy said the unit — which would include up to 10 staff — would streamline the deportation process by collating information from Victoria Police and other state government agencies and then making recommendations to the Federal Government.

Gee… who would I vote for… that’s a tough decision!
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November 15, 2018 5:14pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Leftie schoolkids would just take a plastic bag and fill it up with free shit. There is no need to do that but free shit is free shit, so take it.
  Now on the deporting – we have a free Czech Aussies can have
  
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  November 15, 2018 5:23pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Steve:
    
    We have a free Czech, a fat German and an Afghani paedophile – remember Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari? Put them all on one plane, and ship them off to Australia. If they happened to fall out of the plane mid-flight, then it’d be an accident, obviously!
    
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    November 15, 2018 5:27pm
Odakyu-sen

I am hoping that Jacob Rees-Mogg will make his move against Theresa May.
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November 15, 2018 5:50pm
- mandk
  
  J R-M is enormously knowledgeable and he has a towering intellect. He also has a curious rapport with ordinary people.
  
  But he knows he would come under incessant and heavy attack because of his opposition to abortion in any circumstances.
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:33pm
Nostradamus

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern renews Nauru refugee resettlement offer

Ms Ardern did not raise the issue during a high-level meeting in Singapore but later broached the topic at a dinner on Wednesday night. “I briefly mentioned the issue of the deal being exactly the same but that was already understood, so there’s really not much more to discuss between us on that,” she said today. “He certainly understands that we’ve put the offer out there and that we’ve put it on the table. “But as I’ve said consistently, it’s the same offer that it’s been today, that it was yesterday, that it was a month ago.”
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Mr Morrison confirmed the topic was “raised casually” over dinner on Wednesday night. “The government’s position hasn’t changed,” he told reporters in Singapore.

So who thinks that Jacinda will drop the issue?
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November 15, 2018 6:13pm
- Longknives
  
  But Ardern weally,weally,weally wants that job at the United Nations!
  Maybe she needs to throw some more tantrums and stamp her wee feet some more to make the grown ups listen?
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:28pm
- nasska
  
  Most politicians have a well developed antennae which they use to gauge the potential acceptability of their brainfarts.
  
  Chompers seems to be determined to ignore the 90% of Kiwis who may tolerate more refugees yet draw the line at swamping our country with violent, misogynistic, religious nuts.
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:32pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    This weeks’s Australia Q&A programme had former Deputy PM John Anderson and former Human Rights Commission President Gillian Trigg on the panel.
    
    Of course, the Nauru refugee issue came up, and John Anderson described NZ’s position as “virtue-signalling” before pointing out that Australia takes 4 times as many refugees (per capita) as NZ does.
    
    I’m sure current PM Scott Morrison has this statistic at his fingertips for when Jacinda tries to lecture him on refugees and human rights!
    
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    November 15, 2018 6:44pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Just heard the Haley Holt RNZ podcast.

She talks about shitting in the shower, and claims Martin Henderson is “tiny”.

Didn’t Paul Henry get removed for less?
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November 15, 2018 6:24pm
- Longknives
  
  Is Haley off her face again? (She’s been sacked from Media jobs for that in the past)
  She is certainly a class act.
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:26pm
- RF
  
  Dear God.
  
  She has to go. Not a class act…..
  
  Talk about 3rd world Hillbillies that also includes our royal family…
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:39pm
RF

How sad for our accidental PM. Her dreams of sitting at the high table with Mike Pence were shattered when Mrs Pence sat in between them. In American grid iron this is called running interference.

Although some of our media were waxing about Pence & Ardern sharing tit bits of gossip it appears Mrs Pence was try to explain to her husband what Ardern was gabbling about – caused by her top lip sticking to her teeth. Barry Soper fully explained that this is embarrising for her when she becomes nervous. During the pre-election debates she had to go back stage to be unstuck.

Someone please replace her with a normal Adult. Even Peters will do.
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November 15, 2018 6:25pm
- stigie
  
  http://thefinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Laughing-horse1-e1345422764872.jpg
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:30pm
- Longknives
  
  Wouldn’t it be fantastic if Spitting Image were still around and they could do a puppet caricature of this utterly ridiculous Ardern creature?
  Her gnashers are just colossal!
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:32pm
  - nasska
    
    Don’t be so negative! There are about 195 countries in the world & we’re the only one whose political leader has lips that get caught up in her teeth. 🙂
    
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    November 15, 2018 6:40pm
    - stigie
      
      Why the hell doesn’t she carry around a lubricant with her..?
      Anyone know of any good ones ?
      
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      November 15, 2018 6:42pm
      - nasska
        
        I’ve always sworn by the use of a good dollop of mutton fat stigie! 🙂
        
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        November 15, 2018 6:47pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Johnboy has an extensive collection of sheep-dip-based lubricants, so I’ve heard. But why would he keep it in red, orange and pink bottles? We’ll have to ask him next time he pops in!
        
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        November 15, 2018 6:47pm
      - stigie
        
        Nostra:-
        
        I think the red one was for Penny when JB said she was coming down his way to knit some barb wire and the opening of his sheep eco turbo sheep spa that was somewhat debauched.
        Of course the orange and pink ones were for Blossom and Flossie who were sent packing down the road !~
        
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        November 15, 2018 7:01pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Wonder if those lubricants would be just as effective with goats?
        
        Someone should recommend it to Stephie obviously, might help him with being able to sit uncomfortablely afterwards.
        
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        November 15, 2018 7:19pm
      - stigie
        
        Nasska has had a great deal to do with mutton fat Awww, i would imagine that would be his recommendation !~
        
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        November 15, 2018 7:29pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Stigie you all have talents and gifts beyond my experience and giftings….
        
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        November 15, 2018 7:40pm
      - nasska
        
        Mutton fat is the most underrated lubricant known to man stigie. Never be caught without it.
        
        In fact most aerosol lubricants such as WD40 are based on lanolin & if you can’t unloosen your nuts with that you’re in trouble.
        
        But goat fat is a bit of an unknown in the Wairarapa. I suspect that it could be rendered into tallow for soap but since that is a product not commonly used by followers of The Prophet not much data is available. 🙂
        
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        November 15, 2018 7:47pm
- Nostradamus
  
  RF:
  
  Pence & Ardern sharing tit bits of gossip
  
  I suppose the discussion started with the Melbourne Cup (horses…), crossed to President Trump, and then diverted into a discussion about “lawnmowers”?
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:33pm
- Felt
  
  “normal Adult”
  
  Why not just an adult?
  
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  November 15, 2018 6:53pm
DigNap15

Re the mine
To me its all a sad waste of time.
Even if they get into the drift there is that rock fall behind which most of the remains and any evidence will be.
Are they going to dig that rock fall away?
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November 15, 2018 8:58pm
DigNap15

I have not seen any news of Ardern with Mike Pence or in PNG
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November 15, 2018 8:59pm
- sooty
  
  Be thankful!
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jacinda Ardern practises the fine art of face-saving in Singapore
  
  For several days her officials had been telling New Zealand media that she would be sitting next to Pence at his request.
  
  She began answering questions about it in Cairns, on the way to Singapore for the East Asia Summit. It was considered a diplomatic coup to get several hours of quality time with such a prominent figure in the Trump Administration.
  
  She continued to answer questions about it when she arrived, in terms of what issues she would expect to raise with him during the dinner.
  
  At no point did she say she would be sitting near him, not next to him. But when it became clear someone had mucked up, and she was sitting with Mrs Pence, not Mr Pence, Ardern insisted that that had been the plan all along.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12160871
  
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  November 15, 2018 9:44pm
RF

I saw a quick shot on TV with Ardern talking to Mrs Pence. Mike Pence was sitting a few feet away and I doubt he could hear what they were talking about.

Talk about school girl antics.
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November 15, 2018 9:39pm
Monique Watson

I fully expect my comments to be deleted. Hagar is a cunt.
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November 15, 2018 10:15pm
- DigNap15
  
  Hagar is an evil opportunist.
  We have to back our brave troops.
  In war mistakes and atrocities happen.
  
  What is he doing about the major atrocities in Yemen, or Nigeria.
  
  I wish people would stop buying his books and giving him oxygen.
  
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  November 16, 2018 6:07am
Monique Watson

Under the headline: ” Oh Fuck.
Fucking fox in a hen-house.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12160896
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November 16, 2018 5:18am
Monique Watson

Ha-ha. Wayne. Where are you?
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November 16, 2018 5:27am
DigNap15

Ardern tells more porkies.
She will be sitting next to Mike Pence
So in the end its next to Mrs Pence.
Next she will be seeing Japans prime ministers wife and the Malaysian Presidents wife!
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November 16, 2018 6:03am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Housing market crash: House prices could fall 30% in ‘deep recession’ (UBS) … News Com Au

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/cba-aussie-house-prices-keep-falling/#comment-3227235 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/links-16-november-2018/#comment-3227237

Housing market crash: House prices could fall 30% in ‘deep recession’ (UBS) … News Com Au

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/deep-recession-house-prices-could-fall-more-than-30-per-cent-in-ubs-doomsday-scenario/news-story/b8c2cf775749852c794428805b76c538

House prices could fall more than 30 per cent as the country plunges into a “deep recession” if disgruntled borrowers launch class actions against the major banks for breaching responsible lending laws, new analysis suggests.

The worst-case scenario is one of five outlined by UBS analyst Jonathan Mott in a client note this week, “Catching a falling knife”, in which he warned the outlook for the banking sector had “not been as challenged since at least 2008”.

“The recently completed bank reporting season suggests the outlook for the banks remains challenging,” Mr Mott said. “However, we believe the rapidly deteriorating housing market is a signal of even tougher times ahead.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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What lessons did the Australian and New Zealand banks and regulators learn from the 2007 Irish housing crash, when the unweighted average median multiple across the major Irish metros fell from 4.7 to 2.8 … wiping out all its banks … and requiring about 70 billion euro (approz $NZ 110 billion ) to bail them out ?

The current unweighted median multiples for Australia and New Zealands major metros are 5.9 and 5.8 respectively …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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Subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high multiple lending a greater problem than high loan to value lending … and imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times annual household earning (access background research via links below) …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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Why are New Zealand homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados | Stuff.co.nz
… watch superb video …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados

Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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