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Captain Mainwaring

Cindy is away on the RNZAF’s Broomstick One and won’t be back for a while.
No Parliament Question Time for two weeks.
We should be regarding these as just minor impediments in the campaign to skewer Iain Please Gallopaway and whoever he’s protecting.
In the meantime Simon Bridges is using his skills as a prosecutor to edge closer and closer to the truth without stepping over the mark.
We need to keep the bouncing Czech and whoever’s mowing the lawns for him on the front page every day.
Sooner or later a committed and resourceful journalist is going to become famous by connecting all the dots in the correct sequence.
Then we will be rid of the Corrupt Coalition of Lying Losers.
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November 13, 2018 8:00am
- cmm
  
  Two weeks away puts about an extra $10k in ILG’s bank balance since he gets over $500 a day extra as a cabinet minister over back bencher pay. Not bad for playing hide and seek behind a pole!
  
  ” Then we will be rid of the Corrupt Coalition of Lying Losers.”
  
  Handley should have been enough for that, but it fizzled out. Don’t hold your breath.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Where is she?
  APEC is on Sat-Sun 17th-18th Nov.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:07am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Apparently she’s in Singapore. God knows what for.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:11am
    - sooty
      
      Didn’t you know that flying to Singapore is the most direct route to PNG!
      Has nothing to do with christmas shopping!
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:21am
      - dave_c_
        
        Hiding most likely.
        
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        November 13, 2018 8:29am
      - KevOB
        
        Surely there is DC3 service out of Brisbane.
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:01am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The big boys are staying in Cairns… only a 1.5hr flight over to Port Moresby.
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:03am
    - cmm
      
      Singapore eh?
      
      I hope she took Andy along for some Crim-hugging 101 – Singapore edition!
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:06am
    - Longknives
      
      Apparently she is shopping and catching up with some friends!
      (All those hungry kids she used to bleat on about seem to have been put on the backburner)
      Ain’t Socialism grand??
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:05am
- Inandout
  
  While the princess is away Jethro will play.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:09am
  - tf78
    
    Unless he’s been dragged along as well – look out for the photo ops and we will know.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:20am
    - sooty
      
      Who’s the nanny?
      Mummy on owe dime as well?
      Has Jethro been given back his internet access?
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:24am
      - Inandout
        
        He is out looking for a decent lawnmower, one with all the bells and whistles.
        
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        November 13, 2018 8:40am
      - RF
        
        I hear that Fraser House has woken up that the good citizens of NZ have had a guts full of the premier house hill billies so are restricting public announcements concerning their itinerary.
        
        Must be horrible that your support base is only school girls.
        
        How embarrassing.
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:46am
      - sooty
        
        Maybe a rideon lawnmower!
        
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        November 13, 2018 10:59am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Don’t be silly, Jethro will be mowing the lawns.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:43am
    - RF
      
      I hope he is doing straight lines.
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:48am
      - skyblue
        
        only the white ones.
        
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        November 13, 2018 11:35am
  - Random T Person
    
    Jethro long ago decided being daddy isn’t as much fun as it looks from the outside, has quit Dad duties and is swanning around the Pacific shooting his ‘fishing show’ which has less than 10k viewers. Baby is rapidly becoming a classic ‘raised by grandparents’ case, which so often flows from those who are not yet mature enough to have kids, having had kids.
    Bit sad for the child. In my experience, babies and small children need their parents just about all the time.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:31am
    - igm
      
      How can you look at Jethro and Gnashers as parents . . . the kid is their political drawcard.
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:48am
      - RF
        
        Who was the green bimbo that promised a zero road toll.
        
        Some please remind me. Although a tragic subject I need a good laugh.
        
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        November 13, 2018 8:45pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But Inandout the laughter starts from the moment her feet leave the tarmac. Acting PM Davis has already blurted out his first funny lines. Rushing to defend the drastic abuse of office by working to their own lower standards like Jones, ILG and naturally the confirmation from the tribes that Haumaha is the greatest. What a moron.
    
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    November 13, 2018 2:30pm
Notsofast

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This is the core argument by Mark Cooper j to keep Mark Lundy caged, and suggested by Rod Miller of Texas he should be executed.

[338] On the basis of the evidence about the DNA and the CNS tissue, the Crown
submitted there was an irresistible inference that the CNS tissue on Mr Lundy’s shirt
was CNS tissue that had come from Mrs Lundy. As Mr Morgan put it in this Court, it
had been demonstrated that Mr Lundy, apparently going about his ordinary activities
and staying overnight in a motel, eating routine food, had ended up with fresh
CNS tissue (and nothing else) embedded into his shirt in two separate places.
The conclusion that it was Mrs Lundy’s CNS tissue can then quite easily be reached
in two small steps. First, on the night that the appellant was wearing the shirt,
Mrs Lundy was murdered by having her head attacked with an axe with the
consequence established in Dr Pang’s evidence that a significant portion of her brain
was exposed and indeed missing from the skull cavity. Second, the only human DNA
found in association with the CNS tissue was that of Mrs Lundy. It was of good quality
and found in substantial amounts.

If you read that carefully, then this debate in the appeal court broadcast by the New Zealand Herald.

Asher: Yes this topic is one we need elucidation from you so we have the dna lifted in what has been described as quite considerable quantities . We also know the defence argument is that is not unusual in husband wife situation.And it seems it is not suggested that the scientific evidence shows the dna comes directly from the tissue that has been identified as CNS tissue. That’s obviously a very important mssing link.

MGN Thats the science, the science does not establish that a CNS cell was a cell from Christine Lundy by means of dna analysis, that is accepted. The question of course is how do you get on this tiny little bit of fabric CNS tissue that has been smeared into the fabric? Its the only tissue that the neuropathologists can see, it must have been applied when it was fresh, because its such a small quantity it crumbles and you can’t smear it in, and then the little piece of material, in fact its two pieces of material which sort of adds to the weight, one above the bicep and one on the front of the shirt are eluted into a beaker soak, and this according to ESR removes about 20% of the biological material in the stain, and the only dna is CL, and this is the inference, this is an inference case. There is a passage in KOS where he makes the very point Asher has just made, the science can’t do this, its a matter of inference.

WMN Can I ask 2 questions did the elution for each spot produce dna…yes… and was the dab slide or paraffin block taken from the shirt tested for dna? Were the remnants tested for dna?

MGN It didn’t work. There were a number of methodologies looked at but we only used those relevant to the case.

WMN. Did they produce any dna readings from those samples?

MGN From the tisue in the fabric blocks themselves answer no.

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So despite there being copious high quality dna from the vicinity of the stain material there is no dna incorporated in the stain material. This material also yielded no brain neurons, to which Rod Miller said, this material came from part of the brain with no neurons.

This is the sole argument, and depends on a few forensic dabblers claiming this degraded air dried substance is PURE Central Nervous System tissue. (but no dna from the most abundant source in the body)

There it all is, laid out, in the words of a prosecutor and some judges. I hope someone here bothers to read it and think about it, because it is being internationally trawled over. It is bringing New Zealand into disrepute once more.\

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Court of Appeal Judge $633,188
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November 13, 2018 8:01am
- stephen2d
  
  May Lundy rot in hell and drop the soap several times for good measure.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:02am
  - Harkman
    
    As I stated last week, this Notsofast chap may actually be Lundy posting from jail.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:59am
    - RRM
      
      I confess to a slight guilty snigger at the idea of Mark Lundy posting under the name “Notsofast”…
      
      I worked once with a guy who knew him and supported him at the funeral. Said the prick is clearly guilty as sin.
      
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      November 13, 2018 6:26pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        Anyone who uses the phrase “guilty as sin” is a nitwit, particularly so if they also believe they can infer guilt from a person’s body language or way they grieve.
        
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        November 13, 2018 6:44pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh FFS Notsofast, give it away. Lundy did it.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:08am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Captain, it s time for us to realise Notso… is to Criminal justice, what Hugh P is to property, an instant down tick.
    
    And yes, Notso…
    Lundy did it;
    Amanda is guilty of being a party to the murder of Meredith; and
    Len Demler didn’t do it…the man was too small to lift the bodies and a car axle…
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:18am
    - Notsofast
      
      Norma Eastman is a decent sized broad.
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:23am
    - Zapper
      
      Agree with you until you go to Demler…guilty as sin.
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:16am
      - Notsofast
        
        You are dead right there, Jeanette Crewe went to the family lawyer, saw that her father had forged her mother’s well, and rang her father. A few hours later she was dead, and being carted to the Waikato river by Len and Norma, whose property went right to the river bank, and bordered the Crewes.
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:39am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Notso, you are writing rubbish, check the facts. It could not have been Demler (or with assistance of Norma), with his arthritis, he wouldn’t have been able to move the bodies, let alone put Crewe in the Waikato tied to an axle. The only proposition that works is if up to 3 people were involved ie. at least 2 men and a woman. Who was the woman?.
        
        Yes, Demler’s behaviour was odd, but odd behaviour does not equal guilt.
        
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        November 13, 2018 2:07pm
    - Notsofast
      
      Hullkiwi, the Len who had free access to the property and took a combo 22 shotgun rifle and shot Harvey from behind, then bludgeoned Jeanette, then reloaded and shot her because she was busting him for fraud once more did the crime proposition works perfectly. Broad Norma helped with the body dumping and she fed the baby.
      why challenge the lead researcher?
      
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      November 13, 2018 3:23pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Not even Booth or Paul Temm came up with that garbage and their theory doesn’t fit either.
        
        Try lift a 100kg dead weight body plus axle, and drop it in a boat then in the middle of the river as a 60 year old with arthritis. Your researcher is barking up the wrong tree.
        
        Norma did not fit the woman seen at the house.
        
        That is why Yallop’s version didn’t fit the known facts.
        
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        November 13, 2018 3:50pm
      - Notsofast
        
        That garbage came from Chris Birt.
        His research is impeccable and makes complete sense.
        The murders had to be done by someone with free access to the Crewe house, that is Len Demmler, and someone with clear access to the Waikato river, once again Len Demmler.
        He did it.
        Chris posts the forged signature in his book The Last Chapter.
        Jeanette spotted it immediately, so what were Len’s options? Have you ever tried to talk your way out of a dodgy situation with a strong woman?
        The long gun was his preferred method.
        
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        November 13, 2018 4:44pm
      - Chris R
        
        Not So Fast: Unless Jeanette was the named executrix of the subject will; why would the lawyer show her a copy? Haven’t you pondered “client confidentiality?”
        
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        November 13, 2018 7:54pm
- peterwn
  
  so?
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:09am
  - Notsofast
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    If you read it you will see what is so, the evidence is not just unreliable it is fatally flawed in the words of the prosecutor and judges, the logic path has drawn a false conclusion.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:15am
    - VicParking
      
      Use the brain in your head not the one in your arse.
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:20am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      For the sake of transparency, please spell out your legal qualifications and credentials so that we can judge them alongside those of the Court of Appeal bench.
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:44am
      - Notsofast
        
        The principle you invoke here is appeal to authority. My degree is not in law, and neither is Mark Cooper’s in science as far as I am aware. If you read that comprehensive opening post of mine, you will see that Mark Cooper is appearing to wax expert on matters logical and scientific.
        Law has everything to do with keeping Lundy in jail, and nothing to do with his factual guilt status.
        The legal machine has trumped the scientific community, and this is a bad thing.
        There is nothing to prevent them doing this to your family.
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:14am
      - G152
        
        Is that the same lot who found AAT guilty numerous times because of the ‘evidence’ Plod planted ????
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:22am
      - Notsofast
        
        It is the same lineage, David Tamihere, Teina Pora twice, Rex Haig, George Gwaze, bit of a list.
        The forgotten one is Gresson who had Walter Bolton hanged.
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:42am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Notso…for the record I worked with one of David Wayne Tamihere’s sister in laws in 1990. At the time one of Tamihere’s brothers was a prison officer at Paremoremoa. Because of his odd behaviour at the time, even some of his family doubted his innocence…
        
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        November 13, 2018 2:13pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Hullkiwi, Huia George Foley despatched the Swedes, Tamihere was a promising suspect, but he is not stupid, and not a psychopath. Foley was, the evidence is powerful, and since Tamihere has been vindicated in court by Conchie Harris’s conviction for regurgitating John Hughes fabrication in court…
        
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        November 13, 2018 3:28pm
    - Chris R
      
      Notsofast: If Lundy is innocent, and I mean entirely innocent of any ill-harm/killing of his wife and daughter then who did it? The reality is undeniable that:
      a None of the judicial officers involved were present at the time of the killing,
      b There has not been a replica crime in Palmy North to raise the prospect of a serial maniac being at large,
      c There were no sightings by neighbours of strangers near the family home,
      d The genuine possibility that Lundy arranged for the killings.
      
      My suspicion is that if Lundy was not the killer he knows the identity of the killer therefore he is open to protesting his innocence. If my suspicion is right then Lundy oughtn’t to have been gaoled for murder but certainly for conspiracy to murder.
      
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      November 13, 2018 11:49am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Yes, similar with the MacDonald murder case.
        I clearly remember seeing the Police Officer in charge of the investigation stating on TV after the not guilty verdict was given that the Police were not looking for anyone else in connection with that crime.
        She looked really p…ed off about it.
        
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        November 13, 2018 1:10pm
      - Notsofast
        
        This will be covered in the coming months with some legal initiatives. It is known what happened, but not by who, but certainly there was a hit commissioned. This had nothing to do with Mark, but quite a bit to do with parties close to him.
        I am virtually certain the murders were due to escalation of a situation about midnight, but not a desired outcome by anyone.
        He is definitely and totally an unwitting party,but related by association. Of course people saw him coming.
        I hope there will be a succession of stories that might interest the media, but they are an appalling apathetic lot in New Zealand.
        
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        November 13, 2018 1:50pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Gravel Road you can get your story on MacDonald crystal clear by reading Mike White’s “Who killed Scott Guy?”
        It wasn’t MacDonald and he proves Sue Schwalger is a gravely incompetent cop who was only promoted to district commander for her execrable work in that case.
        God bleeding save us.
        
        Of course Mike knows the Lundy case backwards but he is too polite to say what needs saying.
        
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        November 13, 2018 2:34pm
- VicParking
  
  And the world is flat and spacemen built the pyramids.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:10am
  - Lance
    
    And don’t forget “Australia doesn’t exist”
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:33am
- DJ Ward
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Yes I’ve long thought some on KB don’t read.
  I’ll summarise it.
  
  They have no proof the material on the shirt came from anybody.
  They used the fact the Mrs Lundys DNA was found on the shirt, just as it would be found everywhere, to say the spots were hers. Despite never getting DNA from the spots.
  They know there arguments a clearly false argument but present it anyway.
  
  That’s corrupt.
  
  Keep up the good work Notsofast.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:57am
  - Notsofast
    
    Thanks DJ Ward, it is frankly not a good look for the forum this mindless down voting without examining the argument. The case facts are lucid and thoroughly known, by a few. They will be known by everyone soon, as in AAT and Teina Pora.
    Those seem to be the undebated cases, but the other ones are clear too, all except Scott Watson in my view. That one is less clear.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:54am
    - Random T Person
      
      We have judges and juries to examine the arguments.
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:19am
      - Notsofast
        
        We do, and appeal courts to correct, except they failed twice in Thomas and twice in Pora. I am quite certain they have failed twice in Lundy and once in Tamihere. And once in Bain. And once in Rex Haig.
        This is like serial plane crashes without looking for the root cause.
        
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        November 13, 2018 10:31am
  - stephieboy
    
    But the defence could not prove that Lundy would not be able to the do the round trip south. ( petrol consumption ) Their test was highly flawed as they used a racing track for their tests. The police actually did the exact road route that Lundy followed and proved he could do so.
    
    The murders were highly unlikely not the work of an unknown intruder/burglar who would have no need to to get rid of Amber as a potential witness
    
    http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/lundy-v-r/@@images/fileDecision?r=890.168738703
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:02pm
    - Notsofast
      
      On petrol there is nothing new here.
      Raynor Asher was at his mediocre average when he spotted this in the sessions. Gotcha the mediocre judge proclaimed, but this is appeal court judges sliming their path from the science.
      
      This stuff about Amber is of course not supported by common sense.
      A mature woman may be persuaded to keep quiet, but what a story for a 7 year old to spread in the play ground about a man attacking her momma….
      
      Kill her dead, this dangerous witness.
      
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      November 13, 2018 5:26pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      The Crown relied on the consumption figures from the police’s first tests, which were supposedly to replicate Lundy’s breakneck (impossible) return drive to PN during peak hour. They couldn’t replicate it, and said they wouldn’t do it at those speeds anyway for public safety concerns. Not sure how they can assume that fuel consumption they got from their tests would mirror the consumption during Lundy’s breakneck morning drive back to PN (*averaging* 100 km/h). Essentially they just discard the test track results simply because they differed too much from their own results. The test track results for *normal* driving are close to the manufacturer’s claims and Ellwood’s own fuel economy figures – but they don’t mention that bit. They’re selectively rejecting results because they don’t agree with their own. Nice science.
      
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      November 13, 2018 7:23pm
- waldonz
  
  notsofast – Does Mark Lundy have you on a retainer?
  
  To quote Elsa from the movie ‘Frozen’:
  ‘Let it go. Let it goooooooooo’.
  
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  November 13, 2018 2:12pm
  - Notsofast
    
    No retainer, I spoke to him a couple of times from prison, pretty regular guy who is keen to have people in his corner. There is no money in this lark, just community service.
    
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    November 13, 2018 2:31pm
    - Chris R
      
      Not So: Lundy was never a “pretty regular guy” he was a bloated self-opinionated “I am!” of the highest order and as irritating as your blind shots at the Judiciary. Of course the judicial system is not right 100% of the time (like the medical profession, airline pilots etc) but give me the system we have ahead of dribbling conspiracy theories from the absurdly under-employed.
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:01pm
tas

The NZ Herald gives some insight into why judges often are very soft on criminals:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12158596

A judge who permanently suppressed a serial offender’s name due to fears publication would severely compromise his rehab efforts sits on the board of trustees at the addiction clinic the robber had applied to attend.

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Judge McNaughton has been a member of the Odyssey House board of trustees since September 2013, according to the Charities Services register.

An organisation which the offender’s mother worked for also hosted Odyssey House, the court heard yesterday.

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When referencing his “direct experience” with defendants undertaking substance abuse programmes in his decision, Judge McNaughton claimed a resident at the clinic quit his treatment and went on an armed crime spree “as a direct result” of a Weekend Herald story.

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In addition to Judge McNaughton, Odyssey House has had only one other sitting judge on its board of trustees, Judge Philippa Cunningham. She left the role in 2012, the Charities Services register shows.

Justice Anne Hinton was a board member but relinquished her role in 2015 shortly after being sworn in as a High Court judge.
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November 13, 2018 8:02am
- tas
  
  Judge Philippa Cunningham is a familiar name:
  
  Hammer assault: Auckland husband who beat wife was allowed to walk free
  
  High Court judge rules a discharge without conviction for husband’s hammer attack on wife was ‘plainly wrong’.
  
  An Auckland man who beat his wife with a hammer because she complained they weren’t holding hands while watching a movie together was allowed to walk free from court.
  
  Judge Philippa Cunningham ruled the consequences of convictions for Yasir Mohib, who pleaded guilty to three violence charges, were out of proportion to the gravity of the offending and discharged him without conviction.
  
  Comedian’s judge explains decision
  
  A well-known comedian who pleaded guilty to performing an indecent act on his daughter has been allowed to walk free because he has stopped drinking, paid a high price – and “makes people laugh”.
  
  Judge Philippa Cunningham gave the man permanent name suppression to protect the identity of his daughter when he appeared at the Auckland District Court today.
  
  She also granted him a discharge without conviction, meaning the charge will not blemish his clean record.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:12am
  - dave_c_
    
    Alas, it’s these examples, which makes the common man roll their eyes and shake their heads.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:33am
- backster
  
  Yep absolutely no consideration for victims and Public Safety.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  ‘When referencing his “direct experience” with defendants….’
  
  These beaks tend to be from richer families , have lived cosseted lives and perhaps never been the victim of a lot of the shit that career criminals are happy to dish out to the less fortunate in society.
  
  I have my own ideas of the direct experience some of these soft cock judges require ………
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:22am
Right of way is Way of Right

This coalition is as dense as a Northland pine plantation!
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November 13, 2018 8:02am
- igm
  
  Thank Toxic Gnome for this line-up of lowlife brainless incompetent scum.
  Crim huggers, queers, thieves, and degenerates are the order of the day with this CoL.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:07am
  - tf78
    
    The COL is the ship of fools steering the Titanic.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:28am
    - Lance
      
      You might be barking up the wrong lamppost with that mixed metaphor
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:35am
      - tf78
        
        I know – it’s as mixed up the the COL.
        
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        November 13, 2018 10:52am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Well, you can’t see the forest for the tress, but mainly because they can’t plant the bloody trees!
        
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        November 13, 2018 11:08am
- Random T Person
  
  Yep, and look at Shane Jones’ comments, the very epitome of intentions (which socialists love) and outcomes (which economists insist should be prioritised):
  “I’ve been given a job to do. I’ve got three years to roll out planting of 23,000ha. I did not shirk from being very eager and ambitious.” He said it was known “some of the land was going to be a challenge” because years had passed since it had been planted.
  
  Jones said he had a “clear conscience” as to the “moral purpose” behind the deal, which would see investment go into an area which needed support. “It’s a part of the north that’s been neglected too long.”
  
  The moral purpose? The moral purpose? The fuck has that to do with the economic outcomes?
  
  Idiocy, thy name is Shane Jones.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:36am
hullkiwi

Kelvin is on early release from the witless protection programme and he still hasn’t learned how to stop making himself sound like an idiot on the radio. We all need more overseas junkets for Cindy and Winnie at the same time. Just to witness Kelvin at his best.
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November 13, 2018 8:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Time to ask Shane Jones what oversight he is taking on the schemes who are receiving monies from the PGF.

Shane Jones’ One Billion Trees bungle: scrub, weeds mar planting of 1 million seedlings
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12157577
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November 13, 2018 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  He wants even more. He wants $500M from the banks to set up more bank offices in rural areas. He also wants Kiwisaver funds diverted to his Pork Barrel projects.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:12am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    And where, pray tell, will the banks get the cash that Jones wants to extort from them? Of course, they’ll simply pass it on toe the customer.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:03am
    - cmm
      
      Taxpayer, Kiwisaver, customer,… who cares – it’s somebody else’s money.
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:12am
    - peterwn
      
      No worries – they have pots of money. Just look at the fat profits, never mind the shareholders whose money is first to go if a bank goes down the dunny.
      
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      November 13, 2018 3:58pm
- oldgolfer
  
  I nearly fell off the chair when I read that.
  I wouldn’t expect anything less from muppet central.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:14am
- ldypen
  
  May the next time one-hand Shane tries to tell a private company how to do things the Directors should remind him that he’s a useless bastard that can’t even organise himself properly, bloody useless windbag.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:22am
  - sooty
    
    Shane, did the penny not drop when Clare was standing there like a possum in the headlights, that the same was happening to you!
    Who is going to replace you?
    Someone in NZF or Labour?
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:32am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Well Labour didn’t want him.
    
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    November 14, 2018 7:10am
- Antoine
  
  What a pack of cock smokers
  
  A.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:41am
- Northland Wahine
  
  He should fertilise it with all that bullshit he spouts.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:44am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Well, he may have had meetings with people about this, but will we ever know about them?
  
  Shane Jones, big on bombast, but absent when accountable!
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:02am
  - RF
    
    Tugger Jones… the purveyor of porn.
    
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    November 13, 2018 10:07am
- KevOB
  
  Weren’t the trees required for the COL’s housing program? Why are they now to be 3/4 natives?
  
  Is there any rational planning or all just idealistic say so?
  The PM wants to hold others to account for breach of their duty of care. What about the COL who accepted a task they are hopelessly inadequate for–a species of fraud on the people?
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:09am
flipper

Pharmachick….
Unable to respond to your post re Rolex last night due to visitors.
Yes, it was quite an event – a first for any New Zealander, and narrowly, for any Australian as well.
But while DPF knows, coming out from under my shell and saying “what” would remove my anonymity. Suffice to say that it took more than 15 hours and attracted considerable nation-wide publicity here and in the UK. Rolex UK used pix of me and the watch for UK publicity ….. hence the gift.
The watch is actualy an SS Rolex Submariner Oyster Perpetual, guaranteed watertight down to 660Ft. It has a monstrous moveable bezel, and weighs a bloody ton. It costs fortune to maintain to a top condition standard. After 53 years it needs proper maintenance checks once every 3 years. The movement is up-graded where necessary, the luminosity re-done, and the seals are replaced before being pressure tested. Following an accident five years ago I had to get a new Rolex bracelet (other brands ‘will not do” don’t you know) . – at a cost almost $1500.
Although there is a warranty to 660ft, mine normally was kept above 150ft, Once did a bounce dive (5-6 secs) to 310 ft at the Poor Knights …. but only once. It was like being squeezed in a vice (I imagine).
Should I pre-decease DPF, he is free to say who, what, and precisely when. ?
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November 13, 2018 8:05am
- SGA
  
  The original 007 watch, isn’t it? Nice.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:54am
- Pharmachick
  
  ? Thanks Flipper.
  
  Don’t go doxxing yourself over my curiosity, is (and was) quite the gift so I had imagined deed lived up to similar.
  
  The people one “meets” online …
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:50am
- MarkF
  
  Your reply intrigued me.
  Have you seen this?
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4974970/Incredibly-rare-Rolex-diving-watch-sells-230-000.html
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:28am
Dave Stringer

What about Winston being at the rugby on Sunday morning, and making sure he got the limelight by laying a wreath, putting himself on a par with Prince Harry!
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November 13, 2018 8:06am
- VicParking
  
  The grass was wet. I’m supprised he did not have to wear waders.
  Does he take the booster seat he uses in Parliment when he goes overseas.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:16am
  - sooty
    
    Should he have been at the real ceremony in France and not at the rugby?
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:36am
    - Paulus
      
      I think he did ? – was there not a picture of Himself and his Partner at the ceremony.
      Assume we pay for her wherever she goes with him to hold his hand
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:44am
      - VicParking
        
        Hold him up not hold his hand. He has the same symptoms as Hillary.
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:09am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        To hold his beer? (whisky).
        
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        November 14, 2018 7:14am
  - thedavincimode
    
    You raise a very good point. Why should he be travelling up the front when he could just be popped into an overhead locker?
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:07am
    - RF
      
      What about the pocket behind the seat in front where they keep the air sick bags. He could curl up in one of those.
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:10am
      - sooty
        
        Would he still get his airpionts?
        
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        November 13, 2018 11:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Akshully,
  Winston did NZ proud by criticising Macron’s speech.
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/winston-peters-critical-french-leader-macron-s-armistice-ceremony-failing-recognise-all-countries-involved-in-ww1
  (Not sure if anyone outside NZ noticed , but….)
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:00am
  - toby1845
    
    Actually, it really was one of the most ridiculous speeches I have ever heard.
    
    To paraphrase, ‘patriotism is the enemy of nationalism’.
    
    FFS – patriotism and nationalism are the same thing.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:50am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Oh dear, Maggy you’ve ruined my day… I might have to admit to agreeing with Winston Peters for once.
    
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    November 13, 2018 11:00am
dave_c_

First – Its the apparent failure of the Kiwibuild initiative.
Now it’s the plant of a billion trees. They ordered one million seedlings to plant in a particular plot of land, which needed to be reduced to 191k. Apparently no-one inspected and evaluated the state of the plot. Seems it is covered with scrub, weeds, and what can only be described as ‘previous rubbish left behind from a previous felling’.
Incompetent morons – the lot of them.

Edit – sorry Maggy, we must have been posting at the same time !
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November 13, 2018 8:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Always worth repeating.
  It’s not rocket science….
  
  You clear your site of competing weeds before you plant your crop (be it peas, pine or pot).
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:11am
  - DigNap15
    
    No that would be too much work for our cousis
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:27am
- G152
  
  Bloody amateurs.
  Five seconds with a bushman would have told them that trees need clear land to crow.
  What happens when all these trees require trimming?
  Do they import Islanders to cope with the increased workload because Tuggers cuzzies cant get off the couch ?
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:25am
- VicParking
  
  Clearing the land will expose the plantations
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:10am
Left Right and Centre

Early morning cheapshot . . .
How do you know when a PM is faking an orgasm ?
Her lips are moving.
(???? just go with it).
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November 13, 2018 8:08am
- Inandout
  
  And how about faking a blowjob?
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:12am
  - dubya
    
    If she’s faking the blowjobs, then Clarkey hasn’t yet been emasculated.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:08am
  - VicParking
    
    You can pick faking, no grass clippings between the teeth.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:12am
- Random T Person
  
  Ugh. But on the subject of her mouth, Cindy has a totally upside down one. See the pic on ‘The Soap Box’, Govt totally right to extend State Abuse Enquiry’, this morning.
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/the-soap-box-government-right-to-extend-state-abuse-inquiry-to-include-churches/
  Flip that gob and you’d be OK.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:41am
secondcumming

Before murdering him, cutting up his body, dissolving the parts in Hydrofluoric Acid, and flushing it down the drain of the Saudi Embassy, Turkish Media are reporting that the last recorded words of *Jamal Kashoggi* were….. “Take this bag off my head – I’m suffocating!”

As my missus just said, at least he got to know how his wife felt every day.

https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/1061952034713284608
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November 13, 2018 8:12am
- Inandout
  
  Lucky he wasn’t gay.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:13am
- MCos
  
  Where’s Trump in that picture of world leaders? Usually he barges his way to the front.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:29am
  - sooty
    
    Why not, after all he is the leader of the world!!!
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      Free world and yes, he is.
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:55am
      - RF
        
        Interesting that Trump pulled out of visiting a WW2 American cemetery because of rain.
        
        Reminds me of the Labour Minister of Wine & Cheese who sat in his limo as he did not want to get his new coat wet when attending an ANZAC service in France.
        
        He wanted to wear it that afternoon when he applied for his Super pension. That was quickly canned by Helen Clark.
        
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        November 13, 2018 10:22am
      - kowtow
        
        rf
        
        I wouldn’t be too quick to blame Trump for that , it was most likely an operational decision by the pilots/ flight controllers.
        
        Don’t buy into the left wing media TDS.
        
        ‘The determination to ground Marine One, the president’s helicopter, due to bad weather is made by the Marine Corps and the White House Military Office, which then presents the recommendation to the White House in collaboration with the Secret Service, according to a Secret Service official.’
        
        https://www.westernmagazine.com.au/story/5753261/white-house-defends-missing-ceremony/
        
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        November 13, 2018 1:26pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        Unfortunately I can’t seem to reply to RF and kowtow but Trump made up for not visiting the one in Eastern France and went to a WW1 memorial in Western France that day.
        
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/11/donald-trump-paris-remarks/1967100002/
        
        Interestingly, on One News tonight they said Trump “finally declared a state of emergency” when I read an article three (or was it four) days ago that he declared a state of emergency in California regarding the wildfires. The news reporter put emphasis on “finally” too.
        
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        November 13, 2018 8:12pm
    - RF
      
      I was not criticising Trump but pointing out that a lefty did want to get wet.
      
      I understand that trumps pilot did not want to fly in inclement weather. Fair call.
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:54pm
- KevOB
  
  How many more versions of this story are we going to get? Body parts previously were reported as being found some officials back garden.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:16am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Awful but would you really be able to make out words?
  
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  November 14, 2018 7:21am
hullkiwi

Today is let’s set up another enquiry day….

I kid you not, three pie Woods is going to set out the terms of reference into what went wrong after the Christchurch earthquake & why there were so many “botched repairs.” The findings will be put into law for future governance of the EQC.

A couple of questions:

How do you deal with red zone residents who had no insurance?

How do you deal with people with no insurance?

How do you avoid people cancelling insurance, because you remove the need to have cover for an earthquake?

There, that should keep them busy for the next 6 years.
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November 13, 2018 8:12am
- Antoine
  
  I mean, it _would_ be good to ensure things were done better next time… and the EQC model seems kinda broken…
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:38am
  - Paulus
    
    As EQC is currently effectively broke after the continual plunder of its funds, often suspect, but it is Christchurch voters so there.
    If there is another EQ then it is the Taxpayers who will fork out for everybody irrespective.
    Don’t bother taking out Insurance any more.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:49am
- ldypen
  
  Yes, and most importantly.. how do you convince McDonald’s that it’s a national service to deliver three Georgie Pie pies to the Beehive every morning!?
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:44am
  - sooty
    
    Only three!!!
    There is breafast, smoko, lunch, afternoon smoko. Tea and don’t forget snacks in between!
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:50am
- MrTips
  
  Anyone in ChCh can save you the money hullkiwi.
  Four names: Ian Simpson, Gail Kettle, Barry Searle, Reid Stiven.
  
  Simply OIA all correspondence between those four and Fletchers EQR and you’ll have your answer.
  
  For example, I OIA’d my own house case with EQC/Fletchers EQR. Quite amazing email evidence of them colluding to bring it under cap to save money – they lost, as we got put to insurance once I pointed this out.
  
  Now multiply that by 400,000….
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:49am
  - hullkiwi
    
    MrT, it’s Woods who is doing the grandstanding. The fundamental problems are:
    1. the EQC model – is it a state agency with clean hands or is it a state agency playing at being a bad insurance investor/broker; and
    2. How to deal with future Red zones (& residents) – because there will be future situations- we just don’t know where or when.
    
    As for Fletchers, not much one can say is there?
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:01am
    - MrTips
      
      Agree HK. Wasn’t arguing with you, just pointing out everyone here knows the reason the repairs were botched.
      The red zone is an impt one agreed, eg. most of downtown Wgtn will be red zoned in the next big event.
      EQC, like ACC, is reasonably unique, and as such, heavily prone to fiefdom and fuckups.
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:12am
  - cmm
    
    One of the things that really contributed was the lack of skilled tradies, particularly painters etc, and the stupid money involved.
    
    The guy who fixed up our place had a small crew going. He had training (6 months at poly), but the crew had no trainig at all.
    
    As he put it: if you can hold a beer bottle, you can hold a paint brush and get paid $50 an hour.
    
    We were “lucky” since our place got hammered in the first (Darfield) quake and thus got a better sort of tradie. Sign off was by a local builder who had his kids in the local school and knew he’s have to look you in the eye.
    
    When the Chch quake happens they got really desperate and real bad cowboys came out: painting over light switches, drips on carpets etc etc. Really shoddy work.
    
    $50 an hour, more if you have to go back and do the job twice. Where’s the incentive to do a good job?
    
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    November 13, 2018 11:05am
VicParking

Royal Commission extended to cover ‘Young Labour Summer camps’ ….
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November 13, 2018 8:13am
- Inandout
  
  And FGM.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:42am
oldpark

“Show us the money” say the teachers. Commie Chic Comrade Ardern and the wee Bully Boy Hipkins who put the boot into the Teachers yesterday said we hav’nt got any more.
Yet the waste of space Shane Jones from the 7% Peters Party is gallivanting around NZ with a cool Three Billion Dollars to spend on whatever his fancy takes fly.
Surely even dumbos like the Peters selected Ardern and Hipkins would have worked out by now that they as well as the many many thousands of NZs teachers that the price they paid for Power with the renegade Peters ,is causing a lot more angst than ever imagined.
Why should NZs Teachers entitlements be denied all because Liebour sold their soul to the demands of Peters.
“Show us the Money” say the Teachers. Not our problem Ardern and gang have given Shane Jones from Peters Party 3,000,000,000 Dollar s each year for the next three years. What an abomination. Go figure.
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November 13, 2018 8:14am
- Dave Stringer
  
  Close, but no Cupie Doll. It’s one billion a year for three years.
  No better, I agree, but KB is and should remain a bastion of accuracy- the facts are damning in their raw state.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:29am
- Prince
  
  Not to mention the tax cuts for horse breeders and throwing $M’s into the Pacific.
  I suspect the Govt ‘offer’ would be little more than teachers would have received via National’s tax cuts.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:32am
lifesgood

AUT ads are popping up on my computer claiming they are in the top 1.2% of universities worldwide. I find that very, very hard to believe.
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November 13, 2018 8:25am
- Harkman
  
  Yes I don’t think that any NZ universities are in the top 40 or 50 or 90. Most of the top 25 are private institutions.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:02am
  - VicParking
    
    I think Auckland is our best and has just dropped out of the top 100
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think that is for some ranking to do with the % of International students it has.
  
  In the latest 2019 QS world Ranking of 1000 Universities, Auckland Uni is 85th (Top NZ) and AUT is 464th.
  
  https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2019
  
  https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/world-university-rankings/top-universities-new-zealand-2019
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:11am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    MW, check out the top unis and their percentage of international students before your blather on with yet more irrelevancy and tedium.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You DIDN”T read my links did you, stephieboy?
      
      Ranked joint 464th in the world in 2019, Auckland University of Technology (AUT) was established in 1895 as the Auckland Technical School, and today boasts the highest score of any of the top universities in New Zealand for the percentage of international students indicator, ranked 23rd in the world.
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      And we’re off with the race to be the first comment hidden for the day. You
      ‘re in the lead steffy girl but I’m sure gump will be along to give you a run for your money in the race to be dickhead of the day.
      
      I think we’ll call it a draw in the most irrelevant comment of the morning and gump and steffy girl are in.
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
      steffy is a labour intern which clearly demonstrates why labour are full of dysfunctional people.
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:55am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Stephieboy’s continuing series “How to be a complete and utter twunt on the internet”, episode #37,567
      
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      November 13, 2018 11:03am
      - Garbageman
        
        37K of those must be Maggy schooling the man-child like the pitiful keyboard clown he is
        
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        November 13, 2018 12:14pm
artemisia

About that Kiwibuild. 1,000 homes to be ‘delivered’ by 30 June 2019. Just as the start date for the programme was ‘adjusted’ to 1 July 2018, I expect there to be an ‘adjustment’ – aka spin by Mr Twyford – to what is meant by ‘delivered’.

Most people would expect 1,000 homes to be occupied or at least ready to be sold. I predict ‘delivered’ will include under some sort of post ballot contract to buy off the plans for actual delivery one day, maybe. Only 75 officially under construction, so a massive construction surge is needed but is it happening?

Atm we don’t know how many ballot winners will actually complete and move in. The official Kiwibuild site still shows only 4 sold.
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November 13, 2018 8:27am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  1000 homes, yet less than 400 people qualified to purchase under the current rules.
  
  What a clusterfuck!
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:05am
  - artemisia
    
    To be fair, there are not many Kiwibuild places available yet. Pre qualification expires after 6 months, banks maybe sooner, so can’t blame prospective purchasers for waiting.
    
    Banks want whole lot of information these days, so no point in doing it twice.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:32am
kevn

Can anyone give me a link to re-play the Hosking interview with Special K this morning please?
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November 13, 2018 8:27am
- VicParking
  
  Govt confident in Haumaha appointment process – Davis
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018670946/govt-confident-in-haumaha-appointment-process-davis
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:19am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NEW ZEALAND: The Kiwibuild fiasco … NewstalkZB’s Mike Hosking explains …

Mike’s Minute (Video): People are waking up to the sham of KiwiBuild … NewstalkZB

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/video/mikes-minute-people-are-waking-up-to-the-sham-of-kiwibuild/

KiwiBuild at threat of going ‘KiwiBust’ over ‘plummeting popularity’ | Stuff.co.nz
… note comments volume …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108471157/kiwibuild-at-threat-of-going-kiwibust-over-plummeting-popularity

… Why did the New Zealand Labour Party fail to learn from British political house building disasters ? … watch and weep …

Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4

… the focus must be on abolishing urban limits and properly debt financing infrastructure … ALLOWING new affordable housing to be built … so we can build out of this bubble (like Greater Christchurch … with Waimak and Selwyn) … NOT destructively bust out of it …

Govt criticised for moving slowly on Auckland growth boundary | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105295016/govt-criticised-for-moving-slowly-on-auckland-growth-boundary

Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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November 13, 2018 8:28am
- KevOB
  
  Hugh: add restraining the monopoly supply of building materials and excessive regulatory zeal.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    Plus an obsessed moron…..
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:43am
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      Toy Boy, Adern never lies!
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:50am
      - Tall Man
        
        By the way dipshit, who the fuck is Adern? That’s your selfie for the day gone.
        
        steffy is a girl and not a very bright one
        
        Ardern is a liar
        
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        November 13, 2018 11:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      Well, I guess when you’re too dumb to know your arse from elbow You would think that.
      
      steffy is a liar because
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      November 13, 2018 11:01am
- stoptheboats
  
  maybe stick to interest.co.nz thanks Hugh theres a good chap
  
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  November 13, 2018 4:29pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    As compared to lackofinterest@kiwiblog.co.nz!
    
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    November 13, 2018 7:30pm
DigNap15

Kelvin Davis said that

Ian Lees-Galloway is doing a great job
Shane Jones is doing a great job

Where has the guy been?
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November 13, 2018 8:29am
- ldypen
  
  He’s been hiding behind a a thick pillar in a very dark room away from any media.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:46am
- RW Capitalist
  
  His
  Welcome to the, witless protection programme, speech?
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:36am
- Colville
  
  Where has he been and what was he smoking while he was there??
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:07am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Or he had lawnmower line cutting therapy.
    
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    November 13, 2018 4:20pm
Happychappy

This Government is going to get caught out by promising to much to grab the vote and put together the Coalition of fools that we have. Shane Jones and his trees, Phil Twyford and his housing, Cris Hipkins and education and Sweet Cheeks with all the money but not enough to fill their promises. One year on and 238 houses under contruction 18 finished, millions of seedling trees ready and no where to plant them as thousands of hectares of land is over grown with weeds gorse and other problems, Scools on strike as they think that they are worth more money for the work they do the coalition promised and they would fixthe years of neglect. This is without mentioning the corruption in Immigration and a Minister out of his depth and a inquiry into appointment into a officer that should have not received the position he has that says he was bully of women but was still cleared in the inquiry with out these woman being taken seriously. So interesting times ahead and will people finally take notice that you are being conned and Jacinda only needs you to enhance her image and feed her lust for fame.
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November 13, 2018 8:30am
- dave_c_
  
  Indeed – reminiscient of Bush –
  “If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a hek of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator”.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:49am
- Paulus
  
  Surely it only the Process System which has been under review and reported as almost sound.
  – not the appointment of Haumaha.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:53am
- Peter S
  
  This government got power by promising lots of hope.
  They reality meand, in every case, they deliver less.
  To the objective, they will always be doomed to be defined by those two words, hope and less.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:54am
Sofia

Why, amongst all the mess of the Haumaha Inquiry has neither the Government nor the Opposition mentioned a “New deputy promoted alongside Wally Haumaha as size of police executive grows”
… the police have created another deputy police commissioner role, by internally promoting Assistant Commissioner John Tims to run the 12 police districts.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12097833

Meanwhile Police National Headquarters have confirmed Haumaha retains the same responsibilities as when he was the Assistant Commissioner in charge of Maori, Pacific and Ethnic Services.
As such, no one will be promoted to the rank he vacated.

Why was Haumaha selected to be the one statutory Deputy Commissioner, appointed by Governor-General, on the recommendation of the Prime Minister?
(Current structure: under Police Commissioner there are 4 Deputy Commissioners – one statutory Deputy Commissioner, appointed by Governor-General, and three Deputy Commissioners, appointed by Police Commissioner. First two were appointed in 2014}

Does new Deputy Police Commissioner Tims in fact have greater responsibilities, running the 12 police districts, than Haumaha in his duties, which are unchanged?

Why was the appointment of Deputy Commissioner Tims not publicised as was the promotion of Haumaha, when Tims probably controls more of relevance to the general public?

Prompted by the questions of one person, Louise Nicholas, and now a further three women’s allegations, this Inquiry was to ascertain how an appointment – involving the Prime Minister and then Governor General – was made regarding a man who apparently is now performing the same duties as he was before.

As a Yes, Minister series plot line, this would have been dismissed as being too silly to be plausible.
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November 13, 2018 8:37am
- Paulus
  
  Two new Lady Deputy Commissioners were announced in recent days -quietly.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:54am
  - RF
    
    I think Wally should get the message and don’t come Monday – DCM.
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:57pm
- KevOB
  
  Isn’t about time Louise Nicholas got over her 30yr old grievance? Attacks on reputations by say-so are despicable. False accusers should be severely prosecuted. The accusation is easy : the defence is not.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:33am
  - Happychappy
    
    I wonder if you would be saying the same thing if you have a daughter and put her in Louise Nicholas place, some how I doubt it.
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:21pm
Antoine

So the Government Algorithms study is out… see e.g. https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/108106300/algorithms-are-everywhere-but-the-public-sector-seems-scared-to-use-them

I am struggling to see it as value for money… what do y’all think?

A.
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November 13, 2018 8:39am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s good in theory but of course government can still screw it up, especially when it starts producing outcomes that are correct but not politically correct.
  
  The big technical problem is that causes and effects tend to be correlated and it’s hard for the computer to decide which is important while a human using common sense can more easily do so.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:11am
  - Jules99
    
    I read recently that the trading bots for the stock market make lower % gains than experienced human traders. This was because bots often saw patterns in noise that weren’t there, whereas experienced humans were able to spot what was a real pattern and what was just chance.
    
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    November 13, 2018 10:28am
- cmm
  
  Some research luvvies needed to get their face in the trough.
  
  Of course governments use “algorithms”. They have since 1086 in Britain with the Doomsday Book (quite likely earlier in China and Roman Empire too) and all the census data gathered since then.
  
  But the talk about AI is bullshit. AI, in this context, is just pattern matching that finds patterns then uses them to make predictions. eg. AI algorithms notice that rap music and KFC go together and predict an upswing in KFC consumption when rap music plays on the radio.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:30am
  - Peter S
    
    Good at spotting correlation, much less useful in finding causation.
    
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    November 13, 2018 10:00am
secondcumming

As an aside, I’m sure a lot of people would know what it’s like to have a much loved pet go missing 🙁

Lets hope this poor lady finds hers soon….

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT7STtvW0AAQYNU.jpg
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November 13, 2018 8:44am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/dogfoundyc3.jpg
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    UN, sicko mode yet again!
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      Well you would certainly know what a sicko is wouldn’t you, facing one every morning when you put your lippy on.
      
      steffy is a girl and
      
      Ardern is a liar.
      
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      November 13, 2018 11:02am
SGA

RIP Stan Lee – a good innings at 95, and if his cameos in the various Marvel movies are anything to go by, lived well until the end.
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November 13, 2018 8:49am
- MrTips
  
  ‘Ees not dead, he’ll be back for the Infinity Wars sequel. Amazing how he persisted with the Marvel brand.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:00am
  - SGA
    
    He may well be – I read that his cameos were filmed early in the schedule in case he was indisposed.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:09am
- Longknives
  
  RIP Old Timer!
  I do wonder how he felt toward the end of his life about his Marvel brand being hijacked by Social Justice Warriors?
  Those latest Marvel movies are just nauseating PC bullshit…
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:11am
- alloytoo
  
  Ironic how he used the pen name Stan Lee for comics, just in case he wrote the great American novel and wanted to preserve his real name for that.
  
  A creative giant, already missed.
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:03am
srylands

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12158815

So three major cycleways were built based on inflated projections of usage.
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November 13, 2018 8:54am
- alex Masterley
  
  This doesn’t give me any confidence that the projections backing the skypath have any kind of accuracy, at all.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:04am
  - Colville
    
    Please tell me you are horrified and shocked to find that greenie bike/anti car nazis massaged the numbers to suit their Utopian dream.
    
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    November 13, 2018 10:17am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Of course I am horrified and shocked, aghast even. Just joking.
      No surprise at all – they are duplicitous shitheads the lot of them.
      
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      November 13, 2018 11:17am
      - gump
        
        Duplicitous shitheads?
        
        Are you talking about the NZ Herald who have just compared the current cycleway usage against the projected usage for 2026 and is claiming that the patronage was below the expected levels?
        
        https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2018/11/13/the-heralds-latest-cycling-smear/
        
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        November 13, 2018 12:48pm
- Harkman
  
  Come and see Chch, it’s a disaster with them.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:05am
  - geoff3012
    
    Dunedin cycle lanes….bloody shambles….
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And I won’t even mention the Island Bay Cycleway debacle
      
      (Looks like it will cost over $6M to redo the 7.1km mess)
      https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/368470/wellington-cycleway-battle-likely-to-be-delayed-another-year
      
      https://fyi.org.nz/request/6850-information-relating-to-the-total-cost-of-the-island-bay-cycle-way-and-whether-it-has-achieved-its-objectives
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:01am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Currently in the early stages of a repeat performance along Oriental Parade
        
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        November 13, 2018 10:39am
    - gump
      
      The cycleways in Dunedin are well designed and well used.
      
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      November 13, 2018 12:41pm
      - kowtow
        
        Bullshit .
        
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        November 13, 2018 1:29pm
      - Tall Man
        
        By 5 people a day?
        
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        November 13, 2018 6:15pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  You sound surprised syrlands? Still, at least Julie Anne Genter was able to bike to the hospital to give birth 😀
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:07am
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    No not surprised.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:16am
- tf78
  
  They used a similar system to get the go ahead for the CRL.
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:01am
Harkman

Good news folks, well sort of, or maybe not. Guy Williams may not defend his title as Moron of the year he won in 2017. And it’s not through lack of trying or Minto taking the title back, or Davis or Sleaze Galloway for that matter. No the white hot favourite for Moron of the Year 2018 has to be the idiots at Fresh Choice for stopping the little plastic bags that you put your apples, potatoes, onions, mandarins, bananas and kumara in. What utter stupidity, I went into my local store to get amongst other things a couple kgs of apples and bananas and there was nothing to put them in. Not shopping there again until this changes.
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November 13, 2018 9:16am
- cmm
  
  New World is now providing paper bags.
  * they rip more easily dumping their contents on the floor.
  * they fall apart if you put damp produce in them.
  * you can’t close them, so stuff falls out.
  * you can’t see through them so that means you have to open them to see what is inside – slowing down operations.
  * they need much more water and energy to make than plastic.
  * a large amount of coal must be burned to make paper.
  
  Yes, paper, that “eco” stuff!
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:21am
  - KevOB
    
    There was universal approval when plastic bags were introduced. The bags could hold more and didn’t self destruct. Less trips to the stores were required and less concern about spillage and hygiene.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:41am
    - stephieboy
      
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      KevOB , making up stuff again?
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        I know, you’re the only one allowed to spout bullshit aren’t you and as you happily support the biggest toothiest bullshitter we have ever seen a Pm you are an expert in spouting and defending bullshit.
        
        Ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl.
        
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        November 13, 2018 11:04am
      - KevOB
        
        I’m quite creative but not with the truth.
        
        Have you ever brought tomatoes home in a paperbag or meat?
        Previously everything was packed or wrapped as a separate item. The plastic bags could take many items together and made shopping much easier. They did .reduce shopping frequency
        
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        November 13, 2018 12:43pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Couldn’t you buy a faux-string (made of plastic) bag for $7 to put your veges in?
  They make them green so you’ll think they’re ‘green’.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:25am
  - Harkman
    
    Why should I have to pay extra Shaun, I’m getting a discount, they used to give them away for free.
    
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    November 13, 2018 11:25am
- MCos
  
  Don’t need a bag for bananas
  
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  November 13, 2018 5:08pm
cmm

Another education point in the garden power tool code: weed eater = synthetic cannabis.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12158654
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November 13, 2018 9:16am
- RW Capitalist
  
  weed eater = synthetic cannabis????
  weed eater = teenage stoner
  Is surely a better synonym.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:27am
RW Capitalist

Did I hear right?
1 000 000 seedlings delivered in Northland, only 100 000 able to be planted because the land is UNSUITABLE.
Begs a few questions:
1. Where are the other 900 000 seedlings? Misappropriated?
2. Who didn’t inspect the sight?
3. Was this another of Mr Jones’ “mates”?
4. Considering they made a big Tra La La, on the news about planting natives down South, why were these Pines? Also considering they are having issues with natives in Northland.
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November 13, 2018 9:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like the Audit Office is going to be very busy in the years to come.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:34am
- cmm
  
  1. I suppose the other 900k will just be dumped.
  2. There was never anything to be gained from inspecting the site, so it didn’t happen. I’m sure they still got their bucks.
  3. Mates 4 life.
  4. They’re pines because of double-dipping 4 da bros. They get the taxpayer to fund the planting of forestry blocks which they will harvest in 25 years. Crony capitalism.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:36am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    BUT BUT capitalism doesn’t work.
    OOO HHH it’s only for the govt crony’s the rest of us have to put up with 2nd hand socialism.
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:40am
  - rockape
    
    Time spent in reconnaissance is never wasted. So said my old infantry instructor.
    
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    November 13, 2018 12:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Well, Ronnie nailed it years ago,
  
  “I’m from the gubmint and I’m here to help”
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:39am
- KevOB
  
  Have the seedlings been produced yet or just intended?
  A seedling tree ready for planting out is likely to be several years old. Suppliers are not likely to be carrying such stock on spec.
  Some were on TV last night complaining about being expected to supply without growing contracts as several years investment was required.
  
  Some more fish are reeking.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:49am
- rangitoto
  
  Preparing the site would require actual work. It isn’t reasonable to expect someone to do that is it?
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:49am
gump

North Korea has accelerated the construction of its ballistic missile bases.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/politics/north-korea-missile-bases.html

Which means that they have made a deal with Trump to dismantle one base, while developing a massive network of others.

In the words of Kerry Packer: You only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime…
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November 13, 2018 9:26am
- cmm
  
  NYT: Anything to make Trump look bad.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm, Fox anything to make Trump look good!
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:54am
    - Colville
      
      and Fox has an easy job because there is sooo much good news to spread around.
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:19am
    - Tall Man
      
      I know, fancy a politician keeping election promises, how un labour like.
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
      Steffy wants another selfie with the tooth fairy as reward for all his witless posts.
      
      Ardern is a liar.
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:47am
      - sooty
        
        She might get a photo of squrriel!
        
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        November 13, 2018 11:17am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  We shouldn’t trust North Korea, the same as we shouldn’t trust Iran. The difference is that Trump didn’t give North Korea $150 billion and drop all sanctions up front in exchange for empty promises.
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:15am
- Tall Man
  
  Ah gump, you’re back with left wing biased drivel. Still in adoration of the buck toothed liar are you. Thinking you may get a dip in the trough? Strange how you and steffy girl jump onto the same thread at about the same time. I guess you both get a wee text session going first do you.
  
  Ardern is a liar
  
  and gump, well not one gives a fuck do they you poor deluded idiot.
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:50am
  - gump
    
    You are unwell.
    
    Please call 0800 LIFELINE. Sometimes it helps to know that someone is listening and that you don’t have to face your problems alone.
    
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    November 13, 2018 11:18pm
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      You’re such a moron Gump
      
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      November 14, 2018 12:14am
Local Miller

I had a look at Stuff’s KiwiBuild Tracker: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105105107/how-our-kiwibuild-tracker-works

Actually quite a decent bit of work in it. They do however accept some of the Twitford’s lies, like the Northcote project, which was actually work already planned under National. For anyone with half a brain, its clear that KiwiBuild won’t be building any MORE houses than would have been built previously. I think Liebour have to be smoking something to think they can ramp up their 1000 by July 2019 to 5000 in 2019/2020, to 10000 then 12000. At 12000 MORE houses a year, KiwiBuild on its own must build about 55 houses a day, allowing for builders holidays, weekends and public holidays, etc.
Does anyone have stats on total houses built annually in NZ over the past 10 or 20 years so we have comparative numbers going forward?
Based on the current numbers they have about 36 days to complete houses currently under construction before they start falling behind even their own generous targets. After that they have 195 days (total) to build 535 houses. This translates to about 140 work days, so 3.8 houses a day! Ha bloody Ha, they can’t do it, certainly not without pulling resources from the open market, which means they will achieved nothing.
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November 13, 2018 9:31am
- Poppa
  
  It is easy to make promises when in opposition, & they never ever thought that they would be having to deliver.
  
  It was always impossible & add to that the sheer incompetence of Twyford they are not going to get even close, probably not half way.
  
  Wait until the complaints start coming in about the workmanship & the quality of the neighbours!
  
  Kiwifail
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:41am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “certainly not without pulling resources from the open market, which means they will achieved nothing.”
  Which means also, that builders etc, will become more scarce in the rest of the market.
  Meaning prices will rise to the rest of us.
  Good luck getting
  A builder
  Roofer
  Plumber
  Electrician
  Painter/Decorator.
  etc
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:47am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Can any KBer put a figure on the HNZ houses that are being built?
  They seem to be mainly as infill on formerly large HNZ sections, and most likely in planning before the CoL was inflicted on us.
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:32am
Andrei

WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!! – I tell you DOOMED!!!
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November 13, 2018 9:43am
- stephieboy
  
  What does Vladimir say about it?
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a girl.
    
    Your post is meaningless drivel, much like the crap that comes out of your leader’s mouth.
    
    Ardern is a liar
    
    Ardern is a trough swilling pig overcome with her own self importance.
    
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    November 13, 2018 10:45am
    - Garbageman
      
      You and Stephie really need to get a room TM beneath all the bluster i have a sneaking suspicion that there is a wee romantic spark blooming between you both
      
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      November 13, 2018 12:25pm
      - gump
        
        It’s gone beyond a wee romantic spark … I’d describe it as a full blown infatuation.
        
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        November 13, 2018 12:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nah, I’m good thanks.
        
        steffy seems to be an account that a number of different people post under. steffy hides behind a false name and a false gender to make people think she’s tough.
        
        The bulk of her posts are mindless drivel regurgitating election crap on behalf of the labour party, repeating total lies in an attempt to impact the narrative as tracked by google.
        
        The continual posting Ardern is a liar will have an impact and i enjoy returning some of the drivel from steffy back onto herself.
        
        The bulk of her posts have no relevance to the thread but are puerile comments.
        
        You may notice that her, gump and muttonbird follow a similar line but seldom appear on any thread that shows labour up to be the lying slease they really are, the Lees-Galloway corruption for a start.
        
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        November 13, 2018 1:45pm
      - RF
        
        Should the meeting of great minds result in sex I would like photos.
        
        I get lonely during the nights up north….
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:00pm
    - stephieboy
      
      gump , more accurately an obsessive and insane fixation!
      
      Stalker syndrome!
      
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      November 13, 2018 5:10pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl
        
        What’s worse steffy, me highlighting your pathetic support for a dishonest politician who was promoted by an alcoholic vindictive dwarf ot the actual dishonest lying prime minister?
        
        What do you think?
        
        Ardern is a liar.
        
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        November 13, 2018 6:18pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxq4PmFV6yg
  HAHAHAHA
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:59am
  - Random T Person
    
    But see now, the Climate Change Communists can’t lose. They will claim it is the ‘action’ taken which has staved off the ‘inevitable’.
    They will also always tell you that climate change will result in a less hospitable planet. Why is that? Why wouldn’t it make at least some parts more hospitable? What if it made more parts hospitable, than are at present hospitable?
    
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    November 13, 2018 11:38am
- Jules99
  
  The thing is, if we really are doomed (which of course we are not) surely we should stop wasting our money on AGW projects and start spending it mitigation projects like new vineyards in Siberia.
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:38am
- kowtow
  
  You have to larf . These people pumping out this doom and gloom stuff at the University of Otago.
  
  Here in Daft Dunners , run by a Loon Climate Doom Council just put out a doom and gloom future development plan with this in it …….
  
  “……developers eyeing South Dunedin have been told to prepare for a climate change evacuation……..
  
  And in areas covered by the coastal hazard 3 overlay, new homes would have to be designed to be relocated in future, given the risk of inundation from sea level rise, he said.
  
  That affected South Dunedin and coastal communities such as Aramoana, and covered any new building with residential activity on the ground floor, he said.
  
  “It’s really warning people that they are in an area where, over time, they may need to move because of sea level rise.” ‘
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/new-rules-will-limit-building-flood-prone-areas
  
  In today’s news it seems they want to build one of the nations’ largest new gubmint spending projects almost right on the sea front , on land that is reclaimed and would be subject to liquifaction and if they believe their own lies future inundation.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/soils-look-set-impact-hospital-build
  
  You can’t make this shit up !
  
  What you must do though is to continue to pay your rates and taxes for these lunatic schemes.
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:45am
  - gump
    
    The new hospital in Dunedin isn’t being built on the sea-front or on land that has been reclaimed.
    
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    November 13, 2018 12:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://croakingcassandra.com/
      
      How about you pop over to the Jones the thief/forestry thread and put forward the “justification” for this expensive on a corrupt mp’s watch.
      
      Come on, defend the indefensible and give us a chuckle.
      
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      November 13, 2018 2:20pm
    - kowtow
      
      The new hospital site is being built on land reclaimed since 1848. It was part of the sea.
      
      Plenty of evidence available from a quick internet search.
      
      Is not rocket science , but will be very costly to tax payers.
      
      Also , and separate to the hospital why is the council developing a sea front that they believe is subject to global warming inundation?
      
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      November 13, 2018 2:58pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It is being built on the old Cadbury site…. land that was formerly tidal estuarine muds.
      
      Buildings on reclaimed harbour mud
      Beyond, Cadbury Confectionery’s complex
      covers the rest of the block. The whole of this Cumberland St.area was once a tidal mud-flat, and the ground has little loadbearing capacity, necessitating special foundations for the larger
      buildings. Some of the later and higher Cadbury buildings and silos rest on quite deep raft foundations,
      
      http://www.ipenz.org.nz/heritage/documents/Dunedin%20Walk%201%20(2.3%20MB).pdf
      
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      November 13, 2018 4:14pm
      - RF
        
        100% true Maggy…..
        
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        November 13, 2018 9:03pm
      - gump
        
        Fascinating. I was under the impression that the pre-reclamation shoreline was one block over from Cumberland St. I appreciate the correction.
        
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        November 13, 2018 11:41pm
big bruv

Last week Mark Reason published a piece where he said (among other things) that the level of arrogance demonstrated by NZ rugby was as bad, if not worse, than Aussie Cricket.
This morning the moronic thug Dane Coles has confirmed Mr Reason’s comments, Coles has become the David Warner of NZ rugby, thick as pig shit and highly arrogant.
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- toby1845
  
  Sorry, as soon as I saw the words ‘Mark Reason’ I stopped reading.
  
  He’s as bad as his father.
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:03am
  - Colville
    
    Reason Jr is way smarter than his father as he has latched onto the “click bait” idea and is flogging it like a slow nag.
    Sr wrote well thought out (if one eyed and misguided) journalism but Jr just writes whatever biased anti NZ dribble will earn the most outraged clicks for the people that will send him a pay cheque. (not to be confused with a lawnmowing czech)
    He is a click whore.
    
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    November 13, 2018 10:24am
- Zapper
  
  I heard him say Ireland are a magnificent team, and he doesn’t want to pay for the rugby channel. Who does he think he is! How dare he talk up another team, especially one who has never won a quarter final!
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    There are a lot of jealous people out there.
    
    Dan Coles has proven himself to be a full on hard player but off the field he has always been there with a wisecrack and a smile.
    
    There are just morons who cannot see his tongue firmly placed in his cheek.
    
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    November 13, 2018 11:14am
    - big bruv
      
      Coles is a thug. As a young player I was always taught that the lowest form of pond life on a footy field is the bloke who would kick an opponent.
      
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      November 13, 2018 12:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So you don’t think much of Shane Jones or winston then?
        
        Please list the occasions Dane Coles has deliberately kicked a player.
        
        You obviously have an agenda so I’ll will ignore you after this and let you get your head sorted.
        
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        November 13, 2018 2:22pm
      - Zapper
        
        Tall Man, he did get sinbinned against England in maybe 2013 I think for lashing out with his foot because he was being held down by a thug English player. Shouldn’t have done it, but was reacting to typical English foul play.
        
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        November 13, 2018 3:28pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Ahh here he is. The notsofast of NZ rugby.
        
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        November 13, 2018 4:12pm
Fletch

Hillary will likely run again for president next time….

Hillary Clinton is all but certain to run for president again in 2020, a former adviser says.

Mark Penn, the former Clinton administration political adviser and 2008 Hillary Clinton campaign manager, says Ms Clinton has “an unfinished mission to be the first female president” and a “personal grievance” against Donald Trump.

“She will not allow this humiliating loss at the hands of an amateur to end the story of her career,” Mr Penn wrote in a Wall Street Journal article co-authored by former Democrat politician Andrew Stein.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/11/hillary-clinton-will-run-for-president-again-former-adviser-says.html

Some people just don’t know when to give up. She likely thinks it isn’t fair that she isn’t president, and that she deserves it.
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November 13, 2018 9:53am
- stephieboy
  
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  Fletch, just keep up the Clinton Body Count number crunching!
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Why should fletch have to do that, she does it quite well all by herself.
    
    steffy is a girl
    
    Ardern is a liar
    
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    November 13, 2018 11:06am
    - Inandout
      
      And the goat can’t speak.
      
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      November 13, 2018 11:52am
- Jules99
  
  Can you run for president from jail?
  
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  November 13, 2018 10:40am
- Garbageman
  
  Just jam the old witches broom up her ample ass and shake her around on the stage nobody would notice any difference in the old crone
  
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  November 13, 2018 12:29pm
  - RF
    
    I watched a video of Crooked Hillary where her eyes were spinning like a pin ball machine ball. She is one sick puppy.
    
    Lock her up…..
    
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    November 13, 2018 9:08pm
- KevOB
  
  Hillary was travelling with a neurologist during 2016. She’s past it–apart from any other reasons for rejecting her.
  
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  November 13, 2018 12:55pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  “She will not allow this humiliating loss at the hands of an amateur to end the story of her career,”
  YEAH, beaten by an amateur, how bad does that make her?
  Didn’t she also spend about 2x what he did?
  Advice to hillary…
  He’s not an amateur any more…last time should be your…..LAST TIME
  
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  November 13, 2018 1:45pm
- Nermal
  
  A large proportion of Democrat voters are dead. Shouldn’t they have their own President?
  
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  November 13, 2018 4:28pm
- calendar girl
  
  So this is the Hillary Clinton who, on Election night – knowing that Trump had beaten her conclusively – hid in her apartment in tears, failing to make an appearance to show a little graciousness towards Trump in his victory.
  
  She’s a fake and a political flake – not worthy of following in Trump’s footprints.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:24pm
Manolo

Pazza e matta. This crazy, stupid, and ubercorrupt crook wants to run again:
https://www.liberoquotidiano.it/blog/glauco-maggi/13399242/hillary-clinton-suo-guru-annuncia-wall-street-journal-correra-ancora-casa-bianca.html
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November 13, 2018 10:10am
Hugh Pavletich

… Essential reading ! …

Major infrastructure partnership for North Auckland | Housing | Minister Phil Twyford | Beehive.govt.nz

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-infrastructure-partnership-north-auckland

Minister of Housing and Urban Development Phil Twyford and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff today announced a partnership that will fund $91 million of roading and wastewater infrastructure to support the building of 9000 homes at Wainui, north of Auckland.

The Government Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) has been created in partnership with Auckland Council, Crown Infrastructure Partners and Fulton Hogan Land Development.

Phil Twyford said the Milldale project demonstrates an approach to funding that allows private investment in new infrastructure with the debt sitting on a balance sheet that is neither the Council’s or the Government’s. … read more via hyperlink above
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New Zealand Issues Monitor IPSOS (September) – Concerns about housing grow

https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/new-zealand-issues-monitor-concerns-about-housing-grow
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Why are New Zealand homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados | Charlie Gates | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados
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Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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Read Ardern / Twyford Section
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Bond Financing Section (left column)

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Some further background reading …
  
  (Auckland Mayor) Phil Goff cautiously welcomes authority set up to fast-track housing projects | RNZ News
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/365412/phil-goff-cautiously-welcomes-authority-set-up-to-fast-track-housing-projects
  
  The Mayor of Auckland has cautiously welcomed government plans to set up an Urban Development Authority in the city to fast-track housing projects. …
  
  … The Urban Development Authority is likely to have control over up to 15 housing developments.
  
  It will become the planning and consenting authority, replacing the Auckland Council.
  
  Urban Development and Housing Minister Phil Twyford said the current set-up was not working.
  
  Auckland is 45,000 houses short, he said.
  
  “We need to build houses and more than that we need to build whole new communities,” he said. …
  
  … Local Government New Zealand supports the concept of urban development authorities because it recognises there are regulatory barriers outside the control of councils. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  Urban Development Authority a long overdue initiative … Auckland Business Chamber of Commerce | Scoop News
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1808/S00741/urban-development-authority-a-long-overdue-initiative.htm
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  Mike Hosking (Popular Conservative Commentator): Housing Minister Phil Twyford right to bulldoze his way through councils – NZ Herald … VIEW & READ …
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118208
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  How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
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  If New Zealand is to crack the problems of unaffordable housing, government here must look seriously at how the better parts of America finance infrastructure, Eric Crampton argues | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/94430/if-new-zealand-crack-problems-unaffordable-housing-government-here-must-look-seriously
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  Enabling City Growth: Lessons from the USA (pdf) … Infrastructure New Zealand
  
  https://infrastructure.org.nz/resources/Documents/Reports/Infrastructure%20NZ%20USA%20Report.pdf
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:58am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Special purpose vehicle will fund $91 mln of infrastructure to support building of 9,000 homes at Wainui, north of Auckland | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/96854/special-purpose-vehicle-will-fund-91-mln-infrastructure-support-building-90000-homes
    
    Housing and Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford’s extolling the virtues of public-private partnerships in announcing the $91 million funding of infrastructure to support building of 9,000 new homes in Wainui, north of Auckland.
    
    A feature of the project will be that it will include an “infrastructure payment” collected from section owners through Auckland Council rates bills. There’s no indication at this stage how much the payment will be.
    
    “The Milldale project is an example of the innovative new approaches to financing infrastructure that the Government is developing through the Urban Growth Agenda,” Twyford says.
    
    “This funding model can be used in other high growth areas affected by the housing crisis to help more houses to be built more quickly.
    
    “This could include private investment in infrastructure funded by a charge on the properties that benefit from the infrastructure. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    November 13, 2018 1:11pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Hugh, your sequential replying to your reply to your comment is an abuse of commenting privileges here. It’s a wonder DPF puts up with you.
      
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      November 13, 2018 4:46pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      ‘Infrastructure tax’ for homeowners in new housing project north of Auckland | Stuff.co.nz
      … watch Charlie Gates of Stuff excellent video …
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/108555198/Infrastructure-tax-for-homeowners-in-new-housing-project-north-of-Auckland
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      Auckland’s new $91 million infrastructure plan – NZ Herald
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12159363
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      … Access further reporting as it rolls out …
      
      https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqSQgKIkNDQklTTERvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoOGFIV1EwVEhWVFUzcHVhV0ZHU1dwM1RXNWhRMkZCVUd4NGRuZHNRbGROS0FBUAE?q=phil+twyford&lr=English&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXlKCFzNDeAhUIfnAKHXSqB5AQqgIIVDAJ&hl=en-NZ&gl=NZ&ceid=NZ:en
      
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      November 13, 2018 6:37pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        AUSTRALIA:
        Sydney regions where sellers lost the most money
        
        SHATTERED families have been selling their homes for up to $134,000 less than they paid for them in the Sydney regions worst affected by the ongoing housing downturn.
        
        The losses were mostly from those selling upper market houses purchased within the last one-two years and in areas heavily supplied with new housing.
        Data from research group CoreLogic showed prices for properties at the top end of the market fell an average 8.6 per cent over the past year — nearly twice the 4.6 per cent price fall for homes at the bottom end.
        
        https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/sydney-nsw/sydney-regions-where-sellers-lost-the-most-money/news-story/77aa3d64bca95f4a6baa7cb08da03a55
        
        — read more via the link provided above… —
        
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        November 13, 2018 8:24pm
  - starboard
    
    ” NURSE “
    
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    November 13, 2018 6:16pm
    - stigie
      
      Not so loud starboard, we dont want to arouse him ?
      
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      November 13, 2018 6:39pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        13 year olds don’t get to qualify as nurses stigie, so the filthy little pervieboy is unlikely to be aroused by that.
        
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        November 13, 2018 6:50pm
big bruv

We have seen this before, anybody willing to bet against this being another case of little Maori kids being abused by a male who is not their father?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/east-bays-courier/108369159/eightweekold-babys-serious-injuries-investigated-by-auckland-police
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November 13, 2018 10:56am
- DJ Ward
  
  The figures from 2004 show mummy’s new boyfreind is 350% more likely to abuse the child compared to a father. Then the mother is next, then the safest parent, dads.
  
  Surprisingly in “the best interests of the child” the mummy’s new boyfriend risks are rarely considered.
  
  It’s one of those nod, nod, wink, wink things when men are told they are relegated to just Child Support paying parents.
  
  1: Create fatherlessness causing harm to children.
  2: Ignore the mummy’s new boyfriend effect causing harm to children.
  3: Sit back and reap the financial rewards for years to come of damaged generations.
  
  The last thing a Family Court Judge would want to do is “fix anything”.
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    DJ Ward back to the days of Fault divorce with Lawyers taking a big hand?
    
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    November 13, 2018 1:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      steffy girl, continuing the habit of mindless drivel and thinking it s witty.
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      November 13, 2018 1:33pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      I have never made a comment on Fault Divorce. However if you opened you eyes you would notice that’s exactly what we presently have, but far worse.
      
      You reverted to a Feminist out of the book counter argument. Foolish Stephieboy as joe public might be fooled but I’m not.
      
      I’m an actual Feminist. I believe men should be equal with women.
      
      50:50 shared custody, modified by consent.
      
      Family court lawyers are lying parasitic scum. Why on earth would I want anything other than time in a prison cell for their dirty deeds. Never give them money, it just encourages them. They are running a fault divorce racket. Fool.
      
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      November 13, 2018 6:37pm
- Inandout
  
  There is an $80 million study to cure this problem. Cindy has so much money to spend.
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:49am
- cmm
  
  Can’t you read a simple artcile and get it right?
  
  It was colonialism!
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:58am
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s called the ‘Cinderella Effect’, and it’s the single greatest indicator of potential harm to children .
  
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  November 13, 2018 4:43pm
Monique Watson

At a wedding party I was at recently, someone yelled: “All married people, please stand next to the one person who has made your life worth living”.

The bartender was almost crushed to death….
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November 13, 2018 11:00am
- Fletch
  
  I was at a wedding recently, and one of the groomsmen gave a speech – not sure if it was the best man, or another. But he said, ‘hold hands with your wife or partner and look into their eyes. Statistically speaking, if you’re going to be murdered, this is the person most likely that will do it’… lol
  
  True story.
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:41am
Monique Watson

All joking aside. There is something big going down in Yemen.
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November 13, 2018 11:26am
- DJ Ward
  
  Have they worked out the Saudis make Saddam look good?
  
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  November 13, 2018 11:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    DJ, Trump order an invasion force to topple the Saudi Regime 2003 Iraq style?
    
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    November 13, 2018 1:20pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Did Ardern the liar make election promises she had no intention of keeping?
      
      Does that make her a liar or the sort of bitch that preys upon the stupid like yourself?
      
      Got your benefit increase this year?
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
      stffy is a girl
      
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      November 13, 2018 1:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://croakingcassandra.com/
      
      Why don’t you pop over to the Jones the fuckwit/forestry thread and show us how good the coalition isn’t
      
      Ardern is a liar.
      
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      November 13, 2018 2:17pm
- KevinH
  
  A full blown humanity crisis is occurring in Yemen.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29319423.
  
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  November 13, 2018 3:13pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I frequently watch channel 92. They have been talking about this for two months now.
    But, according to the elitist people, Russian Tv is bad as they have little time for Chutney Ferrets or feminist zealots, so they cannot be believed.
    
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    November 13, 2018 3:39pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      I make a point of swapping between the channels as it helps get a more balanced view of what’s going on. RT is a very important point of view.
      Fox is good but the foreign policy perspective is more biased than their love of Democrates.
      Feminists have little power in Russia compared to the near complete take over and control of society in NZ. Once a group has, Police, Law, Media, Politicians, under their thumb everyone else is fucked.
      
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      November 13, 2018 6:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        DJ Ward, unsurprising your devotion to the Kremlin Run and controlled Propaganda Channel. Add in Fox Faux News. Can we add Breitbart?
        
        You’re utterly stuffed by your alt right tunnel vision.
        
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        November 13, 2018 6:55pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        Oh my.
        
        I said I like to get many points of view.
        My climate change position.
        My pro EV and renewables.
        My desire for equality between the sexes.
        I was anti Iraq war because the bullshit was obvious from Bush.
        Pro Palestinian.
        I rarely read Breitbart, and only from someone’s link.
        
        Alt right?
        
        Two opposing point of view gives perspective. Exposing the bias of both sides.
        
        You just google Labour/lefty hacks and blindly add as a link.
        
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        November 13, 2018 7:17pm
cmm

I see WhaleOil learned Servers 101 yesterday.

Where’s ya backups!
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November 13, 2018 11:55am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Who’s the worlds greatest sysop now?
  
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  November 13, 2018 4:16pm
Surely Knott

Hiding Hyphen refuses to brief opposition MP!? Weird. You think Galloway would be keen to give a read to the opposition and validate his decision. Peters said the decision was legit if the public had only read the case like he had. It’s almost like there is something else is going on?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108556356/iain-leesgalloway-refuses-to-brief-opposition-mp-on-karel-sroubek-case
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November 13, 2018 12:18pm
- Longknives
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption
  
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  November 13, 2018 12:31pm
- mandk
  
  Does anyone actually believe Peters when he says he read the case?
  
  I doubt if he read any of it.
  
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  November 13, 2018 1:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Check the file for whisky odour then you’ll know…
    
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    November 13, 2018 2:18pm
  - Woz
    
    I’ve said it before at least twice. He reviewed fuck all.
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:09pm
RW Capitalist

I hear, $78million has been withdrawn, so far this year, from Kiwisaver accounts, due to……Hardship and poverty.
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November 13, 2018 1:00pm
- starboard
  
  ” Poverdy “..just sayin
  
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  November 13, 2018 5:20pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell spells out why Jacinderella is unsuitable to be a prime minister:

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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November 13, 2018 1:48pm
- Tall Man
  
  A well reasoned article.
  
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  November 13, 2018 2:15pm
gorse

Paddy Gower is a bit upset about being bullied. Does he not realise his interview style is nothing less than him being the bully? What a hypocrit.
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November 13, 2018 1:49pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Armistice day has just gone, we commemorate those who gave their lives…..I don’t think it was so we would cry over Paddy Gower’s hurty feelings.
  
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  November 13, 2018 1:57pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  The weasled face prat deserves to be bullied. The sight of him makes me want to punch his mouth.
  
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  November 13, 2018 2:18pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Bloody ugly and that’s a fact.
    
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    November 13, 2018 6:11pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Twice but we’re tough from the “home of the kauri and the friendly Maori.”. 🙂
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:51pm
  - howitis
    
    So ugly the Doctor probably smacked his mother at birth.
    
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    November 13, 2018 10:33pm
- burt
  
  He’s having a ‘rant’ …
  
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  November 13, 2018 3:12pm
- burt
  
  He still trying to find some relevance after being totally owned by Stefan & Lauren.
  
  Man they made him look like a lightweight !
  
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  November 13, 2018 3:14pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    To be fair he was ambushed by both of them who think the sky is green and the grass is blue. You can’t rationally debate issues with those who think like that.
    
    Both were totally floored by TV One’s Sunday when they cleverly featured interviewees of multicultural backgrounds. Southern had no answers when arguing against diversity.
    
    For once, the media left Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux rattled
    
    by Diana Wichtel / 10 August, 2018
    
    https://www.noted.co.nz/culture/television/lauren-southern-stefan-molyneux-nz-media-left-provocateurs-rattled/
    
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    November 13, 2018 3:46pm
    - Woz
      
      Really? Don’t think she watched the same piece I did.
      
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      November 13, 2018 5:10pm
    - starboard
      
      Bawhahaha..shariaboy has been sprung. Grubby little weasel.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/108554296/auckland-man-who-groped-women-in-cinemas-driven-by-ocd-court-hears
      
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      November 13, 2018 5:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        starboard, Patel might suggest Hindu not Muslim so own goal there .
        
        Sadly in terms of leadership and example, he does not have any role models like the POTUS.
        
        LOL!
        
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        November 13, 2018 6:59pm
    - burt
      
      He was ambushed… WTF. He was owned, totally out of his depth. The only positive appraisal of his performance I had ever heard was his own, now I’ve got two people thinking he did well. Himself and you. Priceless.
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:19pm
    - burt
      
      stephieboy
      
      Prior to this debacle interview I was a staunch defender of Paddy, having meet him at a mates party once I thought he was a thoroughly decent bloke.
      
      It doesn’t rest well with me that he was owned, but he was owned.
      
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      November 13, 2018 9:23pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  NZ’s Jim Acosta. Just an obnoxious germ
  
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  November 13, 2018 3:53pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeV74RiLeTk
    
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    November 13, 2018 4:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Was the mouthy one Ardern?
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:49pm
big bruv

It looks like the silly little girl (no, not that one) from Takapuna is now desperate for attention. It seems the five minutes of fame is well and truly over.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/entertainmentmusic/lorde-accuses-kanye-west-of-stealing-her-stage-design/ar-BBPDzsn?ocid=ientp
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November 13, 2018 2:35pm
- Inandout
  
  Oh shit, hope she doesn’t now go Muslim like the dopey Irish girl.
  
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  November 13, 2018 3:45pm
  - howitis
    
    Remember the SLG Mk II is correctly known as Ella Yelich-O’Connor
    Then there is… ta da … Sinead O’Connor
    link?
    
    both essentially one hit wonders…snap
    
    SLG Mk II made it about Gender/women
    Wah wah wah
    “But don’t steal – not from women or anyone else – not in 2018 or ever”
    Ok then!
    
    She can be sure no-one will be stealing her Monster Mash Madness otherwise known as the Yelich-O’Connor school of absurd jiggly dance.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsUXqD2dJT8
    Lorde Does BIZARRE Dance & Can’t Sing During 2017 MTV VMAs Performance
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:10pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Anyone who saw Lorde’s so called dance would be seriously worried about her sanity
      
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      November 13, 2018 6:09pm
- Nermal
  
  I forget, was she a one hit or a two hit wonder?
  
  Never mind, I don’t really care
  
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  November 13, 2018 4:34pm
- Longknives
  
  I saw an interview with Lorde years ago where she said Kayne was the ‘Greatest musician who ever lived’ and her ‘Absolute Inspiration’ etc etc
  Yet now he has stated he is a Republican she flings shit at him…
  
  She is a Pathetic, Stupid Little Girl who had a ‘One Hit Wonder’ on today’s teeny shitpop charts…
  
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  November 13, 2018 6:24pm
MH

sounds as though they have found all the left over unplanted pine trees-the sounds of dogs barking up at them was a dead give away.
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November 13, 2018 3:14pm
Ross12

With what is going on with the vote counting for some areas, for the US midterm elections they might have to get some independent observers from say Nigeria, Uganda or North Korea to help keep the integrity of their voting system, with their next elections.
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November 13, 2018 3:57pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Republicans finished voting on Nov 6th, Democrats keep on voting until they win.
  Even the Judges are ignoring the cheating
  
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  November 13, 2018 4:17pm
howitis

The diversity dividend in Australia:-

>>Somalian knife murderer and would be LPG car bomber; Hassan Khalif Shire Ali.
>> An Uber driver is battling to be reunited with his family after his wife’s visa was rejected over suspicions that she might be his sister.
Daniel Tadese, who is of Ethiopian descent, has been living in Australia for 11 years…and uses an interpreter after 11 years
>>Salim Mehajer (born 12 June 1986) is an Australian convicted criminal, former licensed builder, property developer, disqualified corporation manager and former deputy mayor of the former Auburn City Council. He has interests in a number of property development companies. In March 2018 Mehajer was declared bankrupt. In April 2018 he was found guilty of electoral fraud and on 22 June 2018 was sentenced to 21 months in prison, with a non-parole period of 11 months.
General wide boy; Muslim and Lebanese know for his ostentatious wedding 3 years ago
>>John Houssam Ibrahim (25 August 1968) is a former Kings Cross nightclub owner. Police allege Ibrahim is a “major organised-crime figure”[1] and was labelled as the “lifeblood of the drugs industry of Kings Cross” during the 1995 Wood royal commission.
Muslim and Lebanese
>> A leader of a hardline Islamist group which campaigns for sharia law says Muslims who leave the religion should be put to death.
Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar was frank when asked about the group’s policy at a forum in Bankstown, in Sydney’s south-west, on Saturday night.

>> The strawberry saboteur.
My Ut Trinh, 50, who worked for the Berrylicious/Berry Obsession farm in Caboolture, Queensland, was denied bail at Brisbane Magistrates Court on Monday.
The refugee, who asked for a Vietnamese interpreter, is charged with seven counts of contamination of goods – between September 2 to 5 – with intent to cause economic loss.
Another diversity dividend payout that needs an interpreter (after 20+ years) in the country they so desperately wanted to get to! …to make it like the shit hole they came from.

My uncle said decades ago that countries that have civil wars tend to be warlike people.
I did not see it then but can see it clearly now.
Somalia, Sudan, Vietnam, USA, Lebanon and so on.
…and Australia let them in.

This is what Ardern wants for NZ. Let your friends know especially the dim-witted lefty ones.

There is nothing wrong with Nationalism and looking after your country while leaving the trash out on the kerb.
Macron was wrong. Look at his country now.
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November 13, 2018 4:32pm
- Nermal
  
  90% of Australians are racist. The remaining 10% are Muslims
  
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  November 13, 2018 4:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    Good one, Nermal.
    
    But fortunately only 2.6 per cent of Australians are Muslim.
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:08pm
  - Woz
    
    Then you can hardly blame the 90%.
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:11pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    90% of Muslims are racist. Nope, 110% are. Fixed it for you new guy
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:25pm
    - stephieboy
      
      And you are a 200% racist and bigot!
      
      Fixed it for you old guy!
      
      https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1473982284123.png
      
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      November 13, 2018 7:12pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I just doubled stupidboy’s downtick count.
        I bet the new tally quadruples within an hour.
        
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        November 13, 2018 7:53pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Steffy is a girl
        
        Steffy thinks a liar is what NZ needs
        
        Sorry, steffy doesn’t think.
        
        Ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl.
        
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        November 13, 2018 8:39pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Triggered
        
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        November 14, 2018 8:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      Steffy can’t do math. Steffy is dumb…
      
      steffy is a girl.
      
      Our host’s free speech attitude allows you to comment but I am quite sure that the bulk of the members are now well aware that you are a low grade labour intern without a bright moment in your whole life.
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      100% of moslems are pedophiles….
      
      Only when they run out of camels.
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:46pm
  - simpleton1
    
    As Mohammad recognized, “the best of peoples”.
    
    koran Verse (3:110):- Yusuf Ali: Ye are the best of peoples , evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=110
    
    It is so good that muslims are supremacists, bringing “the best” to Australia. 🙂 and want every one to join their ideology
    
    98:6 koran Yusuf Ali: Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
    
    That is telling those Australian racists, that they are “the worst of creatures;- and such a ‘friendly peaceful’ message from the koran. 🙂 and no problem for a muslim to stoke the “Hell-Fire” personally to assure his place in paradise.
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:29pm
  - simpleton1
    
    “Islam without borders”
    A lesson about “No Borders” which many “believers” seem to subscribe to, or is it that you must more than believe, and have that carved onto your back. 🙂
    https://www.albawaba.com/loop/head-%E2%80%98believers-without-borders%E2%80%99-kidnapped-jordan-after-%E2%80%98insulting-islam%E2%80%99-1211862
    
    Is that called working hard to avoid extremism or radicalization, even in Jordan 🙂
    
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    November 13, 2018 6:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How Bizzare..
Could this Czech story get any weirder?

Now it’s a hit job on National.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/375838/karel-sroubek-s-mother-mila-give-him-one-last-chance
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November 13, 2018 5:29pm
- Johnboy
  
  Never trust that old saying…”Your Czech’s in the mail” Maggs! 🙂
  
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  November 13, 2018 5:38pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Your ‘lawnmowers’ have 4 legs Johnboy. This Czech prick’s lawnmowers have no wheels. ILG has no …..
    
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    November 13, 2018 5:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Male?…..
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:30pm
- Rich Prick
  
  One minute the mother is moaning about her son’s case being politicised, next she’s doing exactly the same. But she did imply he was perfectly safe in Germany, otherwise I’ve hit the ignore button with this. DEPORT.
  
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  November 13, 2018 5:44pm
  - Tall Man
    
    In the old days there was a phrase in immigration…
    
    “if in doubt…kick em out..”
    
    Apologies to my old my mates that recognise that.
    
    Kick this fucker out..and mum..and lees-galloway and if there is room..Ardern as well.
    
    Now..that feelz better 🙂
    
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    November 13, 2018 8:35pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  But he’s a good boy. Find some murri dna and make him a citizen.
  The guy has a list of those he sold lawnmowers to, some will be on the wedding list, some will be in let’s say important places and high on the social elite circuit.
  Keep digging, we are only taking part of the scab off
  
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  November 13, 2018 5:51pm
- MrTips
  
  She knows an awful lot about NZ politics. And didn’t she do time for drug importation as well? Or have I misread that in the Sroubek appeal file?
  
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  November 13, 2018 6:05pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yes that was my recollection. Has anyone got a link to the appeal file.
    
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    November 13, 2018 6:10pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Ok Here is the link to the court judgement. It was definitely Antolik/Sroubek’s mother that shipped the “juice” from Prague and set up companies with him. Why is she in NZ with residency!?!! Why isn’t Lisa Owen asking about her part in the deal. Is her life supposedly at risk also? “Mzr Antolik and his mother gave evidence. Both denied having any involvement in the importation of MDMA or the buffer machine with the hidden seals. The suggested that Mr Antolik must have been framed.” Verdict – Unanimous – “The Jury plainly rejected the evidence of Mr Antolik and his mother and have been satisfied that the crown had excluded the reasonable possibility that someone else had planted the mdma….”
    https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/pdf/jdo/de/alfresco/service/api/node/content/workspace/SpacesStore/aeeaa4a8-ffa2-4a63-9749-07f2a5abbeab/aeeaa4a8-ffa2-4a63-9749-07f2a5abbeab.pdf
    
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    November 13, 2018 7:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Sroubek admitted to the Parole Board that he brought in the drugs
      
      Sroubek maintained his innocence until September 2018 when he told the Parole Board he knew criminals in the Czech Republic who convinced him to smuggle drugs into New Zealand.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/108328282/the-real-story-of-czech-smuggler-karel-sroubek-the-man-nz-cant-get-rid-of
      
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      November 13, 2018 8:48pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      She also shipped false customs tags hidden in a bit of mechanical gear , a car polisher I think, intercepted of course. But her sweet boy needs asylum here. Fuck off you corrupt old bitch. I’ll post judgements about it. The mother seems worse than Gayford’s mate.
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:21pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Does anyone know what “glass BBQs” are? I’ve read references to what ever they are in respect of the kick-boxing crowd and their flunkies.
      
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      November 13, 2018 10:33pm
- lifesgood
  
  And why would anyone believe this woman? Now she is hoping to get residency! Ye gods! I wouldn’t put it past the col morons to grant it. You can bet she knows as many names as her son does, he’ll have made sure of that. Won’t be long before we have the whole Czech mafia living here.
  
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  November 13, 2018 6:07pm
  - nasska
    
    Better the Czech mafia, the Yakuza & the world’s known muster of Hells Angels than more bloody Muslims!
    
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    November 13, 2018 6:14pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I love racism from the left 🙂
      
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      November 13, 2018 7:37pm
      - nasska
        
        I’m not part of the left. Rather I’m a fiscal conservative & social liberal who wants to get religious nutters of all stripes out of our fucking lives!
        
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        November 13, 2018 7:44pm
- cmm
  
  What a confused woman.
  
  He’s not a bad person. Nope, he’s a friggin AWFUL person.
  
  She wants him to be given one last chance, but she also wants him to go to Germany.
  
  If he goes to Germany we don’t need to give him residence.
  
  On your bike mate and take your mad mum with you!
  
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  November 13, 2018 6:15pm
- burt
  
  Bizarre indeed, who’d have guessed the guys mum would vouch for him.
  
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  November 13, 2018 6:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I know, what a surprise….NOT
    
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    November 13, 2018 7:36pm
Johnboy

What’s all this shit on Stuffed?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/108533769/new-plantbased-minces-put-to-the-burger-pattie-test
Firstly they try to convince us the bomber O’bummer is braver than the Don cause he went out in the rain!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/108571508/people-share-photos-of-obama-braving-the-rain-to-mock-trump
Then they try to fuck our primary industry that pays for all the wankers that draw a salary from spouting bullshit!
Time we brought back firing squads for treason! 🙂
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November 13, 2018 5:35pm
- nasska
  
  Plant based mince lowers testosterone levels to a point where erections are no longer possible. “Men” eating such crap are spurned even by fat, desperate feminists.
  
  Soon there will be a health warning on all artificial meat warning that consumption can result in unnatural sex involving medicine balls & torn sphincter muscles. 🙂
  
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  November 13, 2018 5:55pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The desperate feminists are the ones with erections.
    Can you pass the mind bleach? Thanks nasska
    
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    November 13, 2018 6:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Can’t be done…suffer you bastard 🙂
      
      Cheers
      
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      November 13, 2018 7:29pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I’d be quite keen to meet one of them tarts with the strap-ons Stevie…..any phone numbers? 🙂
      
      Be a change from the ever bleating sheep mate! 🙂
      
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      November 13, 2018 7:32pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Try Jordan Petersons’s pure beef diet, chaps
    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/sep/10/my-carnivore-diet-jordan-peterson-beef
    
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    November 13, 2018 7:45pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Nothing like sucking on a huge lump of meat eh Maggy! 🙂
      
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      November 13, 2018 7:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’d tenderise it first:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOzNmpdkYfw
        
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        November 13, 2018 8:51pm
- howitis
  
  Of course B. Hussein O’bummer was out in the rain a lot.
  That was why he was so bloody wet. Still is.
  A dripping wet liberal.
  At least he has a partial excuse for hating whites- he is only half white. (so only half racist!)
  
  PS. I agree on the treason.
  Make Minto first. Teacher/perma-protester/ all round arsehole and miserable bloke.
  
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  November 13, 2018 5:56pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Rain. Oh my head hurts:
    MacArthur’s Park is melting in the dark
    All the sweet, green icing flowing down
    Someone left the cake out in the rain
    I don’t think that I can take it
    ‘Cause it took so long to bake it
    And I’ll never have that recipe again
    Oh no!
    Fuck!
    
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    November 13, 2018 6:15pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Both versions are great. Thanks for reminding me of this song….
      
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      November 13, 2018 7:17pm
dcrown

The dems have stolen one election in Arizona.
https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-election/2018/11/12/democrat-kyrsten-sinema-wins-battle-to-replace-sen-jeff-flake/#disqus_thread

Republicans need to get their act together and #StoptheSteal in Florida asap.
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November 13, 2018 5:48pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Yep. Ex Green Party shithead v Jet Fighter Pilot who has been in active service. What is wrong with this picture?
  
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  November 13, 2018 6:07pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Steve ( North Shore)doe something useful for once in your life and follow this guide,
    
    http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/2016/04/fascism-and-the-far-right-in-europe-country-by-country-guide-part-one/
    
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    November 13, 2018 7:20pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Hey steffy..do us all a favour..go fuck yourself.
      
      Ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl….
      
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      November 13, 2018 7:27pm
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12159433

I love this. Ireland may well be over thinking their own worth.

The All Blacks played a conservative “turn them around” game which was a very fine line decision but a win is a win.

I think..and hope.. that they unleash hell this weekend. I hope I am right but that was the most conservative I have seen the All Blacks play in quite a few years, although the weather didn’t help.
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November 13, 2018 6:44pm
- Longknives
  
  Ireland are Dreaming.
  Even if they are 20 points better on the day everyone knows the Ref or TMO will bail the allegedly ‘Invincible’ All Blacks out again…
  
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  November 13, 2018 6:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    No one coming to your BBQ? It might be you, not the sausages….
    
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    November 13, 2018 7:18pm
- Jack5
  
  What a fortunate coincidence …
  
  NZ opens an embassy in Ireland days ahead of the Ireland-All Blacks match. Peters plus a big Maori concert party for the embassy opening. Mmm.
  
  We open an embassy when we do less than $400 million worth of trade a year with Ireland.
  
  TVNZ says Ireland is important after Brexit as one of only two English- speaking countries in the EU (presumably the other one is Malta).
  
  Most countries’ diplomats will be fluent in French, and likely in German, too. Where are they recruiting NZ’s diplomat trainees from? What courses do they need to take? Mandarin is certainly important, and probably Japanese, Spanish, German, too, but French is still important in diplomacy.
  
  A little ironic, if the purpose of the Irish embassy is that it’s an English-speaking enclave, then in the opening ceremony we stress the culture of another of NZ’s official languages – Maori.
  
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  November 13, 2018 7:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Irish speak english…now you’re just being silly 😉
    
    Sorry Denis
    
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    November 13, 2018 7:22pm
- fernglas
  
  is “most conservative” Newspeak for “worst”?
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:04pm
Jack5

With NZ harness racing still under a cloud of investigations into alleged race fixing, today’s big national harness race was won by a horse called…. Thefixer.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/108574930/2018-new-zealand-trotting-cup-the-fixer-gets-up-to-beat-tiger-tara-to-claim-cup
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November 13, 2018 7:14pm
Johnboy

Jeeze! As man of taste and discernment in the matter of the female form I would hardly suspect that Lynda Stuart is starving to death on the miserable pittance she claims teachers have to exist on! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/108553032/primary-school-teachers-principals-take-to-hamilton-streets
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November 13, 2018 7:26pm
Tall Man

Pies..Pies..Pies.

“Leave them alone..they’re mine.” said 3 pies Megan Wood..my son only fingers what I like….and I like pies.

Shit, typo..lie for like….
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November 13, 2018 7:32pm
stigie

3 pies Megan Wood, Eco fucking terrorist !~
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November 13, 2018 7:40pm
Johnboy

Be Jasus….It’s bad enough that the fuckin Poms are ganging up on us! Now the Little People hate us too!
I just hope that the little green men won’t get too angry when we thrash their arse’s! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/108566381/several-pilots-spot-ufos-off-ireland-coast
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November 13, 2018 7:48pm
RF

Hey Commie Chick you are in the shit. St. Johns are now going to take industrial action.

Jesus I cannot keep up with who is actually not going on strike.

Flashing her teeth to overseas heads of state is not going to win her any friends. I see she is to have a stern talk to the Aussie PM concerning refugees. Bad timing old chook when you think about what happened in Melbourne.

You are really fucking this country…..
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November 13, 2018 7:52pm
- stigie
  
  “Jesus I cannot keep up with who is actually not going on strike”.
  
  These days it pays to read between the lines RF..?========
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:21pm
  - starboard
    
    ” No strikes on my watch “
    
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    November 13, 2018 11:18pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, I’ve heard the Edible Fungi collective has scheduled a strike next week, immediately following the Public Service printer re-fillers union.
  
  Once there are more strikes than there are days to schedule them we’ll need to start two or more on the same day. Something of a record I should add.
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:22pm
Jack5

Best article I’ve read on NZ’s Rocket Lab and its founder-leader, Peter Beck, is in the English-language version of Germany’s Der Spiegel.

Gives a picture of the market Beck aims for.

Beck is from an old Southland engineering family. His grandfather ran one of Invercargill’s bigger motor garages. Peter’s father, Russell, was a pretty much self-taught, but very bright, man who ran the Southland Museum and became the leading authority on greenstone.

The German article:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/rocket-lab-prepares-satellite-launches-at-rock-bottom-prices-a-1237717.html
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November 13, 2018 8:10pm
krazykiwi

I’ve been developing the Czech Rhapsody

(think Queen, hear the intro ….)

♫ I’m in such real strife. . .
♫ It was just ecstasy. . .
♫ Caught with a lawnmower, no escape from penitentiary

♫ Time to be wise, look up the lawyer quickly
♫ I’m just a Czech boy, I need some sympathy

♫ Because I’m easy snort, easy grow, big big high, mow mow mow
♫ Any way the mowing goes, doesn’t really matter to me
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November 13, 2018 8:16pm
- nasska
  
  Very good! Off to the top of the class with you. 🙂
  
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  November 13, 2018 8:24pm
Sacha

WO giving me 5 day-old General Debate –
No Backchat.
Oh well –
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November 13, 2018 8:55pm
Sacha

WO giving me 5 day-old General Debate –
No Backchat.
Yesterday was 404.
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November 13, 2018 8:57pm
Monique Watson

This is shit journalism at it’s worst.
Ma says the son should stay.
how about we deport the fuck out of him.
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November 13, 2018 9:35pm
- nasska
  
  ….”how about we deport the fuck out of him”…..
  
  Tempting but there’s a bright side to having him hang around for a bit. So long as he’s in NZ & continues to offend (which he will) he’ll be constant source of embarrassment to Labour.
  
  And the more chance of the eventual leak of the names in his little black book.
  
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  November 13, 2018 9:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why has she been brought into the picture with her tacky tale of her son’s marriage break-up?

Some folks desperately want to divert the story from Ian Lees Galloway’s/Winston Peters’/Jacinda Ardern’s incompetence/?corruption.
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November 13, 2018 9:41pm
Southern Raider

A diversity dividend and justice ministry fuck up all in one go

Multiple accounts for sexual assaults on young girls and gets home detention

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12159205
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November 13, 2018 9:42pm
Nostradamus

Grindr date gone wrong: Man impaled after falling from balcony

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12159556

That’s probably not the best way to escape from a bad date!
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