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krazykiwi

A recent piece of correspondence.

Dear Prime Minister,

I am looking for some advice on establishing a small business. I contacted the Small Business Council, and Mr Powell suggested I write to you as you have particular expertise in this field.

I want to get into selling lawnmowers. I’ve heard there’s great money in this line, and that I could meet some really influential people.

So my questions are:

1. What sort of customers should I target? Should I be happy with regular New Zealanders, or is there merit in specifically targeting those lawn-loving politicians, media folks, and Labour youth?

2. I understand that my customer list will be a really important asset. Could you suggest ways to protect this, and to maximise its value? Should I keep a copy with my lawyer?

3. What type of insurance should I take out for my business?

4. Do you have any friends, or family members who might need a lawnmower or two? With your endorsement I’m certain of some regular customers

5. And finally, I’m not a New Zealand resident. I really, really want to become one. What’s the best way for me to be guaranteed residency?

As a token of my gratitude I will set aside a complimentary, high-end lawnmower for you and your family. I could deliver this to your home, or even drop it off at the next Labour Youth camp. Let me know what works best for you.

I look forward to your reply.

Sincerely,
kk
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November 12, 2018 8:00am
- Scooter
  
  Found this interesting from a story on stuff by Kim Knight 29/1/17 The house she shares with partner and television fishing show presenter Clarke Gayford is a work in progress. Most of the internal doors have been sent away for painting and her dad (New Zealand’s high commissioner to Niue) has not-so-subtly given them a lawnmower for Christmas. A spindly white tinsel tree boasts a single, homemade decoration; the armchairs are turned away from the television.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:13am
  - KevOB
    
    2017? Were they getting the old house ready for sale?
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:52am
    - hullkiwi
      
      It was a piece on the new MP for Mt Albert.
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:11am
      - sooty
        
        Is that the 1st house?
        I think they are now in the 3rd house?
        Rich pricks flicking houses!
        
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        November 12, 2018 12:59pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Krazykiwi:
  
  Your current all-time record for a Kiwiblog comment is 126 upticks and 0 downticks. That’ll take some beating!
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:17am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Alas, I suspect you are correct Nostra. I enjoyed writing the Labour government helpline one. So much raw material!
    
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    November 12, 2018 4:44pm
- backster
  
  Dear K.K….Thankyou for your kind letter. I am surprised that the Small Business Council referred your enquiry to Comrade Powell our $million a year president of the Doctors Union. Mr Luxon or the new boss of Fonterra have greater expertise in the small business area.I am not sure that there is a future in mowing lawns and why work at all My Government will provide. The Governments long term plans are that I should anounce the banning of lawn mowing at a future United Nations Forum. Grass absorbs Greenhouse Gases and it is our intention to redistribute resource from people who cut grass to those who don’t as longer grass absorbs more gas.
  Customer lists are outdated. I suggest you keep a Donation to the Labour Party list, a copy should not be sent to a lawyer for secrecy. Labour have lawyers who will keep it secret, after all who could you trust more than Comrades Winston, Andrew, and David.
  Don’t worry about Insurance .My new kind Government will payout on any claims whether you are ensured or not. The rich pricks who do pay can have their premiums increasedto subsidise those who don’t.
  All Comrades are my friends but we reside in Ivory Towers without laws and ‘Families are a dated concept not conducive to diversity.They are on the banning list.
  To qualify for residency it would be best if you belonged to an international drug distribution gang. arrived in the country with a false identity.Hold up a bank with some patched members of your NZ Chapter,and donated a percentage to our party. It could cost a bit more though if you give the Missis the biff. Don’t worry if you get locked up. For a party koha Andrew will have you out in a jiff.
  Don’t worry about trying to bribe me with a lawnmower, cash or a stack of booze will do just fine.Leave it at one of my homes. They are too busy having an orgy at Labour Indoctrine Camps please feel free to drop in…..Your kind Prime Minister Jacinda
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:57am
  - LTA1955
    
    And this is how life is progressing in Venezuela:
    “The country’s chronic lack of products has led to the term “Maduro diet,” although government officials have denied shortages exist. An annual survey on Venezuelan living conditions released in May found that nearly 75 percent of people lost an average of 19 pounds as a result of malnutrition in the past year. 82 percent of households live in poverty” These figures are rapidly worsening amid continued economic meltdown and skyrocketing rates of inflation. According to latest exchange rates, Venezuela’s monthly minimum wage of 97,500 bolivars is now down to $2.37, equivalent to just over one cent an hour.”
    
    It took Chavez 15 years to sink this country into the mire, it’s take one year here to give New Zealanders a hint of what socialism is capable of. Luckily the COL is so incompetent, it couldn’t supervise a pissup in a brewery, let alone a Youth Camp. (they couldn’t do that either!)
    
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    November 12, 2018 3:07pm
- skyblue
  
  Is this reading between the lines or snorting the lines?
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:50am
cmm

Here’s another pile of shoddy statistics:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12157365

Kids who are expelled or suspended from school are 100 times more likely to suicide or kill themselves in car crashes.

Therefore expelling kids or suspending kids less will dramatically reduce suicide rates.

Therefore we should divert even more school resources into disruptive kids.

Right!

Sure being expelled is a red flag that the kid is likely to take the loser offramp on the highway of life, but that does not mean it causes the problems.

How about other “factors”:
* Eating KFC.
* Listening to rap music.
* Parents on drugs/benefit.
* Single mother households.

We need better data driven decision making. This PC crap just prevents people from addressing the real problems.
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November 12, 2018 8:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yup. It’s a staple diet for the media. Present correlation as causation, and sell those ads to the outraged, and to the unthinking
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:05am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Mistaking symptom for cause – or the direction of causation – is a favourite trick of activist academics.
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:28am
    - Ruahine
      
      Activist academics are not interested in symptons, correlation or causation. It is about ideology. Facts and honesty only get in the way.
      
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      November 12, 2018 10:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  We need better data driven decisions
  
  Check out Hans Rosling – How Not To Be Ignorant About The World. Content drawn from his book ‘Factfulness’ which I highly recommend.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  Would these kids be saved if they had a charter school to go to? Just had a thought – would Helen Clark have allowed charter schools to be destroyed?
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:19am
- Felt
  
  I have noticed that there is a direct correlation between the number of drownings in NZ and the consumption of ice cream. Do you think we should push for the banning of ice cream?
  
  Good points on real factors CMM
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:50am
  - VicParking
    
    All childern who are breast feed die when they are adults?
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:20am
  - Ruahine
    
    Yes. Ice Cream can make you fat. Being fat can cause drowning.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:55am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Check out these spurious correlation charts. 2 examples:
    
    Per capita cheese consumption
    –correlates with–
    The number of people who die by becoming tangled in their bedsheets
    
    :::
    
    Divorce rate in Maine
    –correlates with–
    Per capita consumption of margarine
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:04am
- Piniwi
  
  Sad cmm as we witness another conditioning process of yet another worthless addition to the Education budget. First sign was gifting 600 special teacher helpers who in earlier times were simply teacher aides. Ironic really as it common knowledge that these at risk children were the very ones the Charter schools were providing not just a safety net but what we might term “education+”. Bringing back, hope, self-esteem and pride as they got to grips with a teaching process that was tailored for their greater needs.
  The conditioning process is standard MP for Labour as they use this approach to appease the unionized teachers whining about being over worked. The irony being this has the potential to far exceed the total cost of having Charter schools to provide for such disadvantaged children much more effectively and economically. Not to mention the massive gains of so many children who might otherwise slip through the system become a
  an asset to their communities and NZ as a whole.
  Funner still as Davis is claiming success in reducing prison numbers through the lack of literacy skills of criminals who got through the state system without gaining much at all. Likewise he too is doing some conditioning to push another burden on taxpayers with a special native program to fix such problems. However it raises the question. If these criminals failed with the first attempt to educate them should the cost of re-education be costed against Corrections or Education budgets? Not missing the “punch line”. His dream is no natives in prison. A Tui board classic surely?
  
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  November 12, 2018 2:48pm
Sofia

1 – Phil Twyford has now made so many varying statements and announced some many schemes, demolitions v renewals, development links, and price ranges, can anyone still have any idea of what he or Kiwibuild are actually doing?

2 – And media seem to out of laziness, ignorance or even seeming collusion, never go back to an overall summary or check original information, to give a real indication of progress or the target being missed, or even the validity of the information in the first place.
Almost inevitably any news item will leave out vital information, to render it an absolute waste of time reading anything related to Twyford.
For either housing or transport – cars, rail and fuel taxes

So, with the latest, “The Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy is on ‘life support’ National’s Judith Collins claims” –
In an answer to a written question last week, Housing and Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford said as of November 5, there had been 388 pre-qualified KiwiBuild applicants.

Ministry for Housing and Urban Development (HUD) figures show of the 3,375 contracts signed between KiwiBuild and a developer, the location of 2,858 – or 85% – of the homes has yet to be announced.

So far, 18 KiwiBuild homes have been completed, with 73 under construction, according to HUD’s figures. More than 45,000 people have registered an interest in buying a KiwiBuild home.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12158247

And the missing perspective is, and original target was –
Nationwide Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment figures released to the Herald show there is a shortage of 71,194 houses – 44,738 are needed in Auckland. The next biggest housing shortfall was in greater Wellington with a shortage of 9312 properties – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11940328

45,000 people have registered an interest in buying a KiwiBuild home.
Are the remaining 26,194 (71,194 minus 45,000) not young academics, but rather people in actual poverty who may be too illiterate to be on any list of applicants, or even follow that they could be?
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November 12, 2018 8:02am
- Sofia
  
  addendum –
  Mike Hosking: So where’s all the KiwiBuild buyers then?
  
  … if it wasn’t for Iain Lees-Galloway, and his nightmare of the Karel Sroubek decision, then Phil Twyford would be front and centre and getting a great deal more attention than he is over what is increasingly looking like one of this Government’s potentially most damaging policies.
  
  Here are some numbers I doubt many of us were aware of: there are only 338 qualified buyers so far. That’s it.
  
  … KiwiBuild is not the scheme it was portrayed as, it is not for the low waged, the locked out, it is not the social housing programme it was painted.
  It’s for the middle-class, six-figure salary earners, graduate doctors, the marketing executives – and once Treasury did the numbers the scam was exposed.
  
  Only a third of people could ever possibly afford the $650,000 price tag for a three or four-bedroom home.
  
  Of course lots of people wanted a house, but you need well in excess of $100,000 of income to pay for it, and there are not many of those people out there.
  
  Ardern’s answer to poverty and housing : Twyford
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    PoverDy fool. New word from Comrade Ardern.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:48am
  - Rich Prick
    
    KiwiBuild: Labour’s flagship policy, addressing the building supply problem in the $645-$650k bracket for young urban professionals.
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:00am
- artemisia
  
  The Kiwibuild official counter still says 214 are pre-qualified. Either Mr Twyford is telling porkies or the Kiwibuild unit is not up to scratch.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:11am
  - david
    
    Check with Rachel Smalley, the PR guru for the good oil on Kiwibuild facts and numbers. On second thoughts………………………
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:41am
    - Tricati
      
      Rachel Smalley – Anothe SLG
      
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      November 12, 2018 10:08am
    - Woz
      
      Rachel has sold out. No longer a journalist with even the remotest shred of integrity (that’s yet another debate, of course), she is now just a paid mouth. Only stupid people could possibly take seriously anything she says.
      
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      November 12, 2018 10:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Remember when Rachel wanted us and Europe to open the borders to the refugee invasion?
        What an airhead.
        
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        November 12, 2018 10:49am
- skyblue
  
  This is what happens when you spend too much time having a party with fishermen who live in Sandringham, the snow freezes the brain.
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:54am
- Cobolt24
  
  Poor Wellington, the place has so little land, yet the demand is so strong. There’s a few apartment blocks being built in the city, but that’ll hardly reduce demand by much.
  
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  November 12, 2018 2:08pm
hullkiwi

Dear KK,

Thank you for your letter and kind offers. On your behalf I’ll speak to my friend about your desire to live in NZ. Whatever you do, dont mention to anybody details about your business.

Finally, as we all know in the lawn mowing business, it is all about how you cut your lines.

Yours,
Cindy.
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November 12, 2018 8:07am
secondcumming

When I got home from a mate’s 50th birthday last night, I realized something that is just so true………if *Bohemian Rhapsody* starts playing, and the person you’re with doesn’t start singing AND at least attempt the different voices, you really need to leave them alone. You just don’t need that kind of negativity in your life.
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November 12, 2018 8:08am
- MCos
  
  About thirty years ago I quite liked that song, but now it’s on the list of songs I intend to ban when the revolution comes along with Ten Guitars, Quando Quando, Snoopy’s Christmas . . .
  Where have the classy numbers gone like The Dog Dosing Strip at Dunsandel, Taumarunui on the Main Trunk Line, Round the Coleridge Run . . . .
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:21am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, I liked the song, but it’s been massively overplayed now.
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:34am
  - SGA
    
    @MCos
    Sometime last week I was coming home on the later side. A group of 18-20 year olds were having a party down the road and singing Bohemian Rhapsody at the top of their lungs. Made me smile – that’s nearly their grandparents era.
    
    I’m surprised you didn’t have “A dog named Blue” on your list.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:51am
- Gravelroad
  
  Went to the Bohemian Rhapsody movie last week and thought it was great.
  Then read a review in which the writer complained that not enough was made of Freddy Mercury being bisexual/gay and developing AIDS.
  Not enough “realism” so film was compromised for the gay community. Whaaah.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:35am
  - MickMac
    
    It was a good movie, it reinforced just how good they were and him obviously.
    His album Barcelona was excellent, sad he died as we have missed some incredibleness methinks…
    
    Pity about his lifestyle, Homo, America, tons of dosh and NO friends, but taking it up the arse with a different person each night was just a perfect storm for the times.
    
    Yeah the Movie was soft on him not like Prime’s “Freddie Mercury program”.
    But it made a better movie, we all know the above, it was about the story.
    Good on May and Deakin for husbanding the movie as they did.
    It’s worth the money.
    The Music is still good all these years away….
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:44am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      May and Taylor (Roger, the drummer). John Deacon’s been silent for years
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:43am
      - rangitoto
        
        May is unusual as pop stars go having a PHD in Astrophysics. He was also a big supporter of the BBC Sky at Night TV programme and was the executor of Sir Patrick Moore’s will.
        
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        November 12, 2018 10:37am
  - Woz
    
    Freddy might have been gay, but he was a damn site more than a just gay man. Furthermore, he kept his private life extremely private, especially his relationships and his illness. He was camp, he was outrageous, and we all knew he was gay, but his homosexuality never defined him. Why should that change now just because a bunch of bleating homosexuals and their libtard friends want to hijack him as a mascot? Freddy would never have played along to that were he still alive.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:21am
    - 4077th
      
      Yes, I always thought that was an interesting dichotomy for young kiwi blokes in the 70’s and 80’s given we were, well, at least in my group of friends, very much the kiwi blokes laughing at the homo brigade and accusing one another of being a homo for various acts of stupidity all the while not even noticing Freddy Mercury while we enjoyed the rock music for what it was. Then on the other end of the music scene were people like Bronski Beat and The Smiths (Morrissey more obviously) being openly gay and almost never played because of that and that only. At least things were a little more black and white back then. Men were men and sheep were worried 🙂
      
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      November 12, 2018 12:09pm
- Biscuit
  
  secondcumming, I am a quasi-guardian to a wee fella who lives next door.
  
  Take him anywhere in the car and he brings along his CD of his fave songs.
  
  He’s slowly growing out of his ‘ABBA’ phase but more than 50 times, ha, you could have overtaken me and heard us both animatedly singing along to ‘I Have A Dream’, ‘Dancing Queen’ and ‘Waterloo’…
  
  Singing along to ‘BR” would be a must for everyone I know, secondcumming. And how could you not be singing on a day, like today, sun streaming down, Liverpool freshly winning, Man Yoo freshly losing, the All Blacks….
  
  Life is too short to go through it glumly!
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:50am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Biscuit do you know my son? He is an ABBA & Queen fanatic and he is still 3 months away from his 10th birthday. Problem of hearing the Breeze on his mother’s car radio.
    
    He insisted we all had to go & see Mama Mia 2, and of course he saw that BR was coming to movies. With this he was insisting that we would all be going to that. Needless to say his mum and I had to think quick & explain that it it would not be a movie for him. When I was his age it would have been a R16 & that would have been the end of the matter, but thanks to modern technology that is another story.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:43am
    - Biscuit
      
      I don’t think so, hullkiwi. ‘Our’ wee fella is 9, too, and has a Christian name starting with a ‘D’ (if that helps you ‘eliminate’ him) and everyone here is very protective of him.
      
      He’s had a hell of a start to life – courtesy of a happily-now-locked-up ‘dad’ – and about the only nice thing I can say about him, the ‘dad’, is that the abuse he dealt out was physical rather than sexual.
      
      That said, it is truly alarming just how worldly-wise a modern 9-year-old can be in sexual knowledge. ‘D’ knows exactly what is involved in all possible permutations of the act, ha.
      
      I often jest that, once I get elected as Master of the Universe, I will be having a string of Daily Executions. To rid the planet of, oh, Red Greens voters, Man Yoo fans, Bono, Justin Bieber, Quade Cooper and various other folk who have annoyed me in some small way. But I will be authorising my executioners to come up with some painful, medieval-type life endings for those who have abused wee kids…
      
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      November 12, 2018 11:15am
      - secondcumming
        
        I always thought the ‘Brazen Bull’ looked like fun, bikkie…..
        
        https://list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Slide274.jpg
        
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        November 12, 2018 11:40am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Biscuit, thanks. Definitely not our kid, and nowhere near as worldly wise dare I say.
        
        It is sad to read of situations as experienced by your young friend. As a husband and father, I do not understand what drives some men that they can bring harm to children or women.
        
        As for your execution list…you should also add NZF voters who thought they were helping to keep National honest.
        
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        November 12, 2018 3:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ardern is a liar…
    
    Sorry, just couldn’t help myself but you right about the day.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:51am
MrTips

So Shane Jones has to correct the Hansard regarding not a couple or even 5 missed meetings, but 61 meetings he never told Parliament about regarding the PGF??!!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/shane-jones-fails-to-disclose-61-meetings/ar-BBPzZt4?li=BBqdg4K

Man, the guy is alternate universe stupid!!!
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November 12, 2018 8:09am
- Poppa
  
  Not only stupid, totally arrogant with it
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:14am
  - Paulus
    
    And Jones is totally protected by Peters.
    After all it is National’s fault.
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:28am
    - sooty
      
      Imagine what he would be like if he was to replace Whinney and uou thought he was bad!
      
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      November 12, 2018 8:37am
      - Dave Mann
        
        That is an extremely astute observation. Hopefully though, by the time the drunken dwarf shuffles off this mortal coil his stupid fake ‘party’ will be so low in voter support that this cunt Jones will no longer have a chance of getting into parliament. One can only hope.
        
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        November 12, 2018 9:02am
      - VicParking
        
        The way Winny is shrinking it wont be long before he will be able to walk under his office door. I hear its all to do with the embalming fluid reacting with the botox.
        
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        November 12, 2018 9:25am
    - Tall Man
      
      Sir John Key hid his pencil case….
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:52am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Lazy, too, I’ll wager.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      Has to be on the CV.
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:53am
- hullkiwi
  
  Heard an item on Red Radio about it. Despite all the words about open & transparent, Jones is not interested in the truth. Not only that we got waffle about how many questions govt ministers get, well excuse me, they have a whole office of staff dedicated to serving the minister & ensuring they are briefed & can answer the most basic of questions- like who did you meet with?
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:21am
  - sooty
    
    Would it not be in the diary?
    If not why not?
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:39am
  - artemisia
    
    Mr Jones did say he was taking responsibility and not going to throw his staff under the bus.
    
    Interpretation – I want to look like the good guy but obviously it was a staff stuff up.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:28am
    - sooty
      
      Or he’s another one with staffing problems?
      Should look after his staff a bit more!
      
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      November 12, 2018 1:11pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Actually hullkiwi it has been the earliest sign of incompetence in the COL by failing to answer both written and oral questions since day one. It is even enumerated in Hansards that after posing the same question 9 times Dr Nick Smith was still waiting for an answer. The volume of questions is multiplied every time they duck a question while in the House Mallards lets them make party political promotional/policy responses instead of instructing them to answer the question. Remember that many questions and even OIA’s have had a first response of being declined as the wording did not suit them. They bring it on themselves and it is no grounds for negligence but failure to answer the first time. However with the blatant failure to record 61 meeting it is time for Jones to be sacked from cabinet.
    
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    November 12, 2018 3:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think Shane Jones is stupid.
  
  No-one is going to check too closely as to what he is doing with $3 Billion of Provincial Growth Fund monies.
  
  Do you really think Jacinda and her mates want to be bothered scrutinising “murky deals”?
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/361705/it-s-murky-questions-over-use-of-provincial-growth-fund
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:35am
  - Maxx
    
    I’ve started to see adverts coming up for the PGF, promoting what a great job it is doing. Apart from electioneering, I don’t see the point of them.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:49am
- Swifty
  
  That’s nothing to do with volume – that’s downright careless.
  
  He doesn’t give a rats.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:48am
- Woz
  
  I’ll grant him this: when I heard him on the radio this morning he was refusing to throw his officials under the train.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:23am
  - artemisia
    
    Who manages his ministerial diary and provides the data for written questions? Not Mr Jones.
    
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    November 12, 2018 1:38pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  61 meetings is not a lapse of memory, it’s a lapse of ethics, something that Jones has form for.
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:43am
Notsofast

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At school we were encouraged to puzzle on the awful notions behind man’s inhumanity to man.

Never would I imagine this could happen as an ingrained principal in our judiciary.

Recently Jim Lovering of Seattle would declare on Sun Jul 29, 2018, a few weeks before the judgement

“They will uphold the conviction. They are trying to figure out how to word their ruling”,

A frightening prospect.

And his very early appraisal in 2015

“I flatly reject the prosecution’s claim that Lundy did this himself. It is impossible, from the facts we have to work with.”

from which he has never wavered and continues to assist the correction of the wrong.

This might be deemed anecdotal were it not for his stringent work in gaining the release from an Italian penitentiary of Amanda Knox. No one any longer believes she was anything but a victim of a rogue prosecutor, who would manage to salvage a flagging career by engineering a seven year persecution of this fine young woman from Seattle, ably assisted by judges Matteini Massei and Nencini one after the other.

Jim was applying the common principal that appeal courts cannot be relied on to show an interest in the truth, but rather in the upholding of a jury verdict to placate the plebescite. By forecasting this judgement penned by Mark Cooper j on behalf of himself, Raynor Asher and Helen Winkelmann, he has affirmed the bleak future of innocents caged.

Fortunately Mark Cooper has shown their work, and it is being shredded by an international team. I know this post will be voted out of sight, but a few readers will know I am not wrong.

Everyone should read the appeal court judgments in Arthur Thomas, Teina Pora and Mark Lundy. 6 times there have been inventions of acts that never happened by “learned” judges, in these 3 cases alone we have the judicial equivalent of 3 Erebus incidents. Aviation learned, the judiciary have not.
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November 12, 2018 8:10am
- harvey wilson
  
  There’s obviously an incredibly smart serial killer in the Manawatu that manages to get the finger pointed at other people. Lundy , MacDonald it all makes sense now .
  
  We are through the looking glass people.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:17am
  - Notsofast
    
    Yes, they belong to a strata in society that does a lot of business with the constabulary.
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:18am
    - sooty
      
      Must be rich pricks!
      
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      November 12, 2018 8:40am
      - Notsofast
        
        It’s pretty obvious who does this type of work in New Zealand and melt away back into “communes”. Much too dangerous work for boys in blue to track down.
        
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        November 12, 2018 8:44am
    - fernglas
      
      Do be more specific. I am busting to know who they are. Hints are worthless.
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:17am
      - Notsofast
        
        You can infer, there is a general sanction against pointing the finger at the killers of The Lundys, the police have abandoned the case and there are safety concerns.
        But use your brains, who does debt collecting?
        
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        November 12, 2018 9:21am
  - Pharmachick
    
    I had no idea the illuminati were involved in the Lundy case. It all makes so much sense now. //
    
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    November 12, 2018 2:40pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Notsofast:
  
  Jim was applying the common principal [sic] that appeal courts cannot be relied on to show an interest in the truth, but rather in the upholding of a jury verdict to placate the plebescite. By forecasting this judgement penned by Mark Cooper j on behalf of himself, Raynor Asher and Helen Winkelmann, he has affirmed the bleak future of innocents caged.
  
  Let me remind you of your own (very different) comments:
  
  29 October 2017: I have faith in this [Court of Appeal] panel. … If the appeal is denied Mark Lundy is still innocent and it will go to the supreme court.
  
  13 June 2018: Helen Winkelmann j is highly intelligent and concluded quickly Lundy had nothing to do with this crime. Beside her are two jaded white male amateurs. How they are all dealing with the inevitable fallout is anybody’s guess, but I imagine more stories might flow this weekend.
  
  16 September 2018: It seems everyone in New Zealand is fine with Mark Lundy being kept caged though three judges have worked out he is innocent. This starts sounding expensive, start at 6 million?
  
  6 October 2018: I attended the appeal of Mark Lundy, and Helen Winkelmann j was convinced of Mark’s innocence. This is a statement of fact.
  
  Maybe you should stop confusing facts and opinions?
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:24am
  - Notsofast
    
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    I was wrong, most case analysts present at the appeal were convinced that one of the judges at least understood the case.
    Lack of dissent is a puzzle, but they have nailed their colours to the mast. The universities will get to study the law and science in the case now, and history will log the work of these three.
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:29am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Notsofast:
      
      most case analysts present at the appeal
      
      You mean journalists who were reporting on court proceedings?
      
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      November 12, 2018 8:33am
      - Notsofast
        
        I mean all those who had read the full case files, the police notebooks and how what got to court bore no resemblance to what was initially written, the false associations between dna and unidentifiable material, the idea that being in a far city used to be called an alibi and much more.
        The case is straightforward and has been made into a pig’s ear. It is making New Zealand an international laughing stock amongst the common sense practitioners.
        
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        November 12, 2018 8:39am
      - Notsofast
        
        By the way Nostradamus, do you think Lundy did it?
        If you are not sure the information is easy to access. It has a 100% rate of convincing of innocence, a simple 150 page document that the judges should have asked for.
        
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        November 12, 2018 8:43am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I was wrong
      
      You could have stopped there.
      
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      November 12, 2018 11:00am
      - Notsofast
        
        Yes caught red handed alright.
        Let us parse this.
        I have read all the material submitted by prosecution and defence before going to court.
        Philip Morgan has trotted out all the old glaring falsehoods and Jonathan Eaton has furnished complete documentation proving innocence.
        The hearing is deemed to have gone very well for the defence, indeed the questioning was targeting Morgan’s bullshit astutely.
        I can’t account for a finding that is diametrically opposed to all the tabled ewvidence and evidence in court except by restating Jim Lovering, who is an old hand at watching these diabollical cases unfold
        
        “They will uphold the conviction. They are trying to figure out how to word their ruling.”
        
        Well they figured how to word it, they drew a false association between dna totally separate from a couple of stains and the stains themselves. They cited a few unqualified forensic dabblers, and said that this association overcomes the matter of unknown male dna under victims’ fingernails and unknown fingerprints where the break in occurs. It overcomes the forensic purity of the man and his car and his glasses and hair roots.
        Bullshit KS and if you don’t know it now I guess you will soon.
        Yes you seem to be winning but this is a Pyrrhic victory leaving a vicious killer unpunished
        FFS.
        
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        November 12, 2018 12:02pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        With respect Notsofast, a 12 year old could probably read all the material presented to the court. Doesn’t mean they can understand and interpret it correctly.
        
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        November 12, 2018 2:46pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Knox was guilty along with the boyfriend and the acquaintance/friend who turned evidence. The trouble was they were all too smashed to know who did what & the prosecution couldn’t prove who applied the fatal stab wounds.
  
  Stick to cases a bit more local & your beef about the judiciary may be a little bit more credible.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:45am
  - Notsofast
    
    Donald Trump had the smarts to declare her innocent and that Italy should be boycotted. Slimy secretary of state Hilary Clinton refused to help while she was trying to persuade the Italians to send troops to Afghanistan. That alone made me salute the Trump victory.
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:48am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Not Afghanistan, try Libya. The Knox/Kercher case was unsafe, as there was no evidence to prove who committed the murder. Knox’s alibi never stacked up – even if you read Wikipeadia it doesn’t add up. Like AATCrewe the police/prosecution identified the parties, but got the facts wrong.
      
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      November 12, 2018 10:44am
      - Notsofast
        
        That case turns on whether a rock was thrown from outside the house.
        It was so there was no staged break in.
        The staged break in is part of the Lundy hoax of course
        
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        November 12, 2018 12:33pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Keep up the good work Notsofast.
  
  Until the unidentified DNA is resolved we have possible suspects.
  With realistic possible motives like money.
  
  Someone mocked the serial killer scenarios. IE Harvey Wilson. If it was a random burglar that doesn’t eliminate the possibility they later suicided due to guilt for what happened. Never becoming a serial killer.
  
  When the key evidence, the brain matter, is not 100% reliable due to the testing issues, plus a tiny chance its transpher evidence, or the conspiracy theory it was planted. You need other evidence proving how it got their etc. Or other evidence he was their at the time.
  The evidence doesn’t prove he is not guilty but the evidence of guilt is very borderline as trustworthy.
  
  The not identified DNA of two males puts a shadow over this case that needs to be resolved.
  
  Don’t listen to the downvoters.
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:29am
  - Notsofast
    
    The downvotes tell me I am being read, and frankly I don’t know if anyone believes he did it. It is impossible wherever you look. The paint evidence is false, the bangle in the car belonged to Amber’s girlfriend, Robertson got the petrol spot on, ther was 30 liters not enough to do three trips, Temple Camp and Rod Miller are frauds, James Pang lied twice about time of death while being stood over by DC Grantham both times. It is an utter disgrace the whole thing, and these 3 judges should not get away with this nonsense but they will waltz onto the supreme court no doubt.
    That is how our atrocious system rolls.
    
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    November 12, 2018 12:11pm
calendar girl

Is Ardern going to take seriously this week her responsibilities as Prime Minister?

She can start by relieving Iain Lees-Galloway of his role as Immigration Minister, and ensuring that a certain Czeck criminal is denied New Zealand residency and is deported .
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November 12, 2018 8:12am
- peterwn
  
  I suspect her hands are tied for one reason or another. He could well have the support of union leaders for example.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:22am
  - Paulus
    
    E.G.
    See One Fat German who is still here and costing us a fortune.
    Imagine what the Czech can cost us over the ten years of appeal.
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:31am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Paulus:
      
      One Fat German who is still here and costing us a fortune.
      
      I wonder how his weekly grocery bill compares to Megan Wood’s?
      
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      November 12, 2018 8:39am
      - Biscuit
        
        Nostradamus, you and I might use ‘My Food Bag’ for our weekly/fortnightly provisions.
        
        Dotcrim and Woods both have ‘My Food Truck’ deliveries…
        
        Convoys, even…
        
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        November 12, 2018 8:56am
      - MrTips
        
        Don’t be daft, HerrCockDom uses UBER UBER eats
        
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        November 12, 2018 9:42am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right Paulus sure the Czech Republic have nor lodged an extradition request but they were convinced expressing an interest in having him deported seemed sufficient prior to ILG/s actions on the hoof. Deportation is the only sure solution and while it might be a serious embarrassment for ILG and the COL it might be the only way to shut the whole thing down. Short term pain for a long term gain letting them move on from greater problems if and when higher level interference might be exposed. The gamble is guessing how much the opposition knows as well as wondering what he shouldn’t know about but is giving them the softer option of prompt closure.
      
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      November 12, 2018 3:23pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Peterwn, you clearly have an insight that I lack. Can you expand a little on the interest of ‘union leaders’ in this issue?
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:49am
    - peterwn
      
      He is a MP by virtue of being a former union official – they could be looking after each other and thus applying pressure on Jacinda.
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:02am
      - calendar girl
        
        Of course; thanks.
        
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        November 12, 2018 9:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    Did you see the news item about the UK tourist who had his luggage damaged by Jetstar? $5000 watch, $1800 camera and a $1700 suitcase…..he was a Union official here for 15 days.
    
    $5000 watch!
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:06am
    - flipper
      
      My (donated to me by Rolex for a certain matter) in 1965 Rolex Submariner is now worth more than $5000.
      
      Rolex owners invariably never remove the watch from their person. Pack it in baggage? NEVER!
      
      The $5000 (would depend on whether it was/is gold or stainless steel) quoted by the UK person probably also includes an exchange differential, and the cost of the inscription on the back of the casing. But that inscription, if one is there. would simply prove that the claimed loss is a fraud. Rolex does NOT, ever, inscribe its watches.
      
      The insurance company will be sure to ask and then interview the named retailer (a Rolex requirement since every sale is recorded) or supplier.
      
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      November 12, 2018 11:50am
      - Pharmachick
        
        “My (donated to me by Rolex for a certain matter) in 1965 Rolex Submariner…”
        
        That sounds like a helluva story flipper. Feel free to elaborate.
        
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        November 12, 2018 3:03pm
    - 4077th
      
      My BS meter was at warning level when I read that. Something smells about the contents value and the items listed.
      
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      November 12, 2018 12:25pm
- Inandout
  
  c.g., by now you must be starting to realise the Czech canary must be kept from singing, by any means and by every favour available.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:45am
Captain Mainwaring

A new week, and another week of relentless pressure on Iain Please Gallopaway and whoever he’s trying to protect .
The truth has to get out, and when it does it will not be good for the future of the CoL.
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November 12, 2018 8:13am
- Poppa
  
  It does make you wonder that is for sure.
  
  More people I speak to are thinking this has a terrible smell attached to it
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:15am
  - KevOB
    
    For good reason. Try putting such an apparently unusual decision before a jury and claiming innocence.
    
    The defense of the unreasonable is evidence of an unsound mind or hiding something. When others join in to uphold it an inquiry is justified.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:06am
- KKKKatee
  
  Connecting the dots to this story is becoming very interesting.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    And reading between the lines. =============
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:07am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      —————————
      Something stinks
      —————————
      
      There fixed.
      
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      November 12, 2018 10:30pm
- GazzaW
  
  With Parliament in recess for two weeks it will be a lot easier for Labour to bury the ILG outrage. It’s over to Bridges, Woodhouse and Mitchell to continue to ask questions that require answers in the public domain so that the media cannot ‘conveniently’ ignore the issue.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:45am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The CoL had RNZ already signed up to drop the issue on Friday. If you heard their Focus on Pitics show on Friday, it was 15 minutes of Labour promotion of what they will be doing for Maori. There was not a single comment from the opposition.
    
    It was pure Labour/CoL promotion.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:58am
    - sooty
      
      RNZ, the broadcasting arm of the Labour party!
      
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      November 12, 2018 1:21pm
      - Wangas Feral
        
        Yes – and the wishy washy National wont do anything about it when they had the chance and wont when then next get power.
        
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        November 12, 2018 3:15pm
Keeping Stock

No posts on the Whaleoil blog since 9pm last night; that’s somewhat unusual…
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November 12, 2018 8:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  Maybe, blubberoil is sinking finally below the depths…glug, glug….
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:34am
- Inandout
  
  Either they are onto a big story or they haven’t paid their internet bill.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:49am
  - peterwn
    
    Cannot be non-payment, the site is accessible and does not appear to be hacked. Disqus seems to be working. Would seem to be a technical issue – either ‘locked out’ of the content management system or a fault in that system.
    They would be missing Pete Belt. Despite the criticisms heaped on him for his moderation style, he was a competent technical operator and would probably have sorted things quite quickly.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:12am
    - peterwn
      
      Further thought – a server change went haywire. My guess is – if the raw IP address was changed then it takes a while for the new IP address to wash through the various name servers on the internet. Hence the site at the old IP address continued to be visible as long as the name server used for the lookup continued to point to the old site.
      
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      November 12, 2018 2:27pm
      - peterwn
        
        It is up again presumably using a backup taken Saturday night since Sunday content is missing.
        
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        November 12, 2018 3:24pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Too busy organising the meat packs for the pub raffles this week.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Sites still up
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:32am
    - MrTips
      
      Nope, site down. No twitter. He’s not being hacked again is he?
      
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      November 12, 2018 11:54am
  - Piniwi
    
    Or Inandout beached at last from honing in on the wrong wavelength? Expect the following faithful to come to the rescue to float him off the beach. They have been doing their best to keep him afloat for some time as they switch to “contributors” like the stats ignorant accountant. Moving from dim comments to dimmer contributions.
    
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    November 12, 2018 3:31pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Wee apology on Twitter first thing this morning
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:54am
- Biscuit
  
  Keeping Stock, and they say prayer doesn’t work!
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:57am
- KevOB
  
  Confirmed at 9:08am 12Nov.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:09am
  - Happychappy
    
    They have been saying on whale oil backchat technical problems in back room and will resume normal communication on Monday.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:36am
    - peterwn
      
      The comment was made there because making comments via Disqus on a previously posted item was the only way of making a statement on the problem.
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:42am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Maybe he finally banned everyone?
        
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        November 12, 2018 9:51am
- MrTips
  
  I read on Twitter somewhere that he’s spending a bit of time in Fiji lately?
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:44am
- Pharmachick
  
  Had my first look in [literally] a couple of years (Banned since about 2014 or 2015, I don’t remember … likely the former).
  
  WO has a meat company now?
  
  Don’t remember any of the names on the backchat apart from Nige (who was always good for a laugh and seems like a good guy) and HSV325. Guess its a new crowd now – good on them. Of course, the internet has a 3 second memory, so it could be a new crowd again once they ban current commenters out of existence.
  
  What’s that peterwn said about Pete Belt being gone? I thought he owned half the site.
  
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  November 12, 2018 3:25pm
  - 4077th
    
    Nige is defiantly a good guy though he has not spoken to me since Travis left. Have recently been back to comment (after a permaban). Pete long gone. Can’t say I miss him but hey, he had a job to do. Sometimes wielding all the power can, well, let’s just say, stroke one’s ego a little too much. To his credit he did clean the place up.
    
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    November 12, 2018 4:10pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Sorry 4077th, can’t actually agree about Belt…
      
      Tiny, little men on power trips banning people for words like “fuck” or “shit” (not even the “c” word), or for disagreeing [even politely] with the political cause du jour being crusaded by WO… the blog just became a sad parody of its original self.
      
      Also, after the toxic politics moment, many people (self included) that had really thought that WO was a political blog in the same way that THIS one is, woke up and realized that vanity projects from a singular person with a severely skewed agenda, might not be one of the best places to hang out online.
      
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      November 12, 2018 5:39pm
      - 4077th
        
        🙂
        
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        November 12, 2018 6:01pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        I liked that poor language wasn’t the thing at WO.
        We could do with less of it here IMO, but it doesn’t bother me particularly.
        What used to annoy me was the no swearing rule went out the door whenever Slater posted.
        WO is quick to recognise hypocrisy because he gets a refresher course in the shaving mirror every morning.
        
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        November 12, 2018 10:48pm
oldpark

Heard the effeminate wee bully boy Hipkins castigating the teachers and putting the boot into their union,on the radio this morning.
Seems the bully boy Hipkins knows fugh all about teachers and their conditions,and their requests for some more favourable working conditions.
To make things more questionable on another matter. The report on the another alleged bully called Wally Haumaha the next deputy Police Commissioner has been in the hands of Peters Coalition of Corruption and Chaos for almost twelve days now. The release of the report is said to be out today.
Normally the PM should be addressing the report. Not this time. Bully boy Hipkins will be doing it this afternoon . Seems slippy tit Ardern has slunk off to Asia ,making sure she will be out of the country ,when Hipkins the wee bully who put the boot into the teachers this morning ,will be reporting on another alleged Police bully.
Certainly not a good look for the Peters selected gang of no hopers. Their track record of bullying and lie-ing is becoming legendary.
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November 12, 2018 8:18am
- Poppa
  
  But what about the baaabyyy?
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on people, he’s 38. Thinks like a baby though, instant gratification required and 25 “look at me” moments an hour.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:10am
- peterwn
  
  Re Chris
  He gave away too much at the beginning (abolishing ‘standards’ and crushing charter schools) effectively handing more power to NZEI and PPTA. He should have saved these as bargaining chips.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:26am
secondcumming

People that can *F – OFF* this week……

ILG

SLG

JLR

Cyclists with sweaty butt-cracks

People who only pretend to pick up their dog’s shit off your berm

Blokes that wear Lynx Africa

People who import lawnmowers from Czechoslovakia

Health & Safety Inspectors (koonts!)

Deaf people that watch Parliament TV

People who export live cattle to China

Not necessarily in that order and some might be continuing to fuck-off next week as well.
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November 12, 2018 8:26am
- KKKKatee
  
  You forgot to add JLKA – Jacinda Laurell Kate Ardern.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:12am
  - tf78
    
    JLKA is SLG (silly little girl)
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:06am
    - DigNap15
      
      JLKA alias SLG, alias Cindy should be called
      Ardern.
      Nice and neutral. (not being kind, or abusive to her, or touchy feely with her) just Ardern.
      
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      November 12, 2018 7:48pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Try again, Katee.
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:16am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  secondcoming, why are you not on your list?
  
  sniff, sniff… pretending to pick up…
  
  “..sweaty butt-cracks” and so on
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:13am
  - VicParking
    
    I know SBC’s get you all worked up.
    Stephie ever thought of moving up to the big time.
    All you need is a step ladder
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5666163/Oregon-homeless-man-admits-broke-stable-raped-horse-meds.html
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:36am
  - secondcumming
    
    at least u made it on this time steph…… @ #6
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:36am
    - Woz
      
      Apparently, just like my youngest daughter (aged 8 and also called Stephanie, I kid you not), our special KB Stephanie sniggers and giggles and chortles at the words “sweaty butt crack”.
      
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      November 12, 2018 10:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    You are an immature twit.
    
    steffy is a girl
    
    Ardern is a liar
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:14am
- Harkman
  
  What about the people in charge of the roading decisions in Chch?
  
  English rugby players, they’re clearly on the roids. And Stephen Jones can go get f……..
  
  People that want ban alchohol (and I haven’t drunk in years) but want to legalize marijuana.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:38am
- Tarquin North
  
  Box kicking half backs should be close to the top.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:53am
  - gravedodger
    
    Worked well for England, 15/0 but then SBW was subbed.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:40am
Swifty

Emotional tosh:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12158513

But right up Labour’s alley.
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November 12, 2018 8:27am
MCos

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Tne National Party may have scored some points with peripheral issues over the last couple of weeks, but when it comes to the heart of the nations’s health they need to find someone better than Simon Bridges to talk to Guyon Espiner about the economy.
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November 12, 2018 8:34am
- Happychappy
  
  MCos : Why would you even be interested and really what would you know as your head is that far up Winstons arse it smears your judgement.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:24am
  - MCos
    
    Happy! Chappy!
    
    What have I said to deserve such an insult?
    Fancy suggesting that I might be some sort of sycophantic Peters lick spittle.
    
    Protip
    Goldcard is handy for a discount at Noel Lemming
    
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    November 12, 2018 12:28pm
- VicParking
  
  Agreed he was poor.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:37am
- rockape
  
  The oppositions job is to see Labour off. It seems that is going well under Bridges.
  
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  November 12, 2018 12:10pm
lilman

Thing that stuck out to me about this article was the admission from the writer that her daughter learnt to read after her first year at school.

Lazy mother and father,all my children could read well before they even saw the inside of a classroom.

Teachers are well paid,try earning the same in other industries and you will be working longer with far less holiday pay.
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November 12, 2018 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  lilman ,” my children could read etc ” Your fairytales?
  
  Fletch and coy and your ” Cossacks” in for a bit of strikebreaking?
  
  LOL
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    You are an immature twit.
    
    steffy is a girl
    
    Ardern is a liar
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:19am
  - lilman
    
    Stephie I see the Aussie police blew away a potential husband for your 3 year old daughter,so sorry to hear as she will be too old in another 3 years to attract any suitor.
    
    Muslim people are sad fucks.
    
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    November 12, 2018 12:43pm
- Woz
  
  My kids were all reading by the time they hit school. No reason really, other than that they were exposed to books and read to from the very beginning of their tiny lives. It has had a flow-on effect.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:30am
Fletch

Fecking teachers striking just down the road from me, setting off their air horns, shouting, getting all the traffic to blast their horns, including big trucks. And it started at 7.30am.

If they want my sympathy and support, this isn’t the way to do it… ?
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November 12, 2018 8:37am
- sooty
  
  Teachers turning up for school earlier than normal!
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:46am
- Fletch
  
  From Mrs ‘not on my watch’ –
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L63Q91T2jcA
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:14am
Fletch

And yes, I am beginning to sound like one of those “get off my lawn” people, but I can’t understand how people can complain about the price of petrol and then afford to buy what must amount to hundreds of dollars worth of fireworks, set off over successive nights….

Seems some have money to literally burn…
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November 12, 2018 8:44am
- Nostradamus
  
  Fletch:
  
  I am beginning to sound like one of those “get off my lawn” people
  
  Have you spoken to Krazykiwi about your lawnmower options? 🙂
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:46am
  - Biscuit
    
    Nostradamus, I’m a bit out of the loop these days,
    
    What is the going rate, per gram, for street sales of lawnmower these days?
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:59am
- Inandout
  
  And the fireworks go on for weeks.
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:48am
- secondcumming
  
  Could come in handy……
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drtec3vWoAAQcqU.jpg
  
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  November 12, 2018 8:53am
- MCos
  
  Maybe different people!
  I don’t know anyone who buys fireworks.
  I don’t know anyone who buys high petrol consumption vehicles and complains about how much they spend on petrol either.
  I worked with an Aussie in Bangkok who complained about migrants not ‘assimilating’ in Oz. I pointed out that neither did he with the Thais.
  
  Getting back to petrol & fireworks. I suppose it depends what you want to spend your money on & who am I to tell my neighbour what another neighbour should to do with their money?
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘I worked with an Aussie in Bangkok who complained about migrants not ‘assimilating’ in Oz.’
    
    He was working . The Muslim Lebs disproportionately don’t work, claim welfare and are involved in crime.
    
    Assimilating?
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:16am
    - DigNap15
      
      Not only that, but who would want to assimilate with them.
      Invite them round for a barby?
      Go fishing with them?
      Let your daughter go out with one!
      
      Muslims belong in muslim countries.
      
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      November 12, 2018 7:51pm
skyblue

Whats up with Blubber Oil today, no posts yet.
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November 12, 2018 9:06am
- fernglas
  
  ?
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:20am
- MCos
  
  Ring him up. He’s under ‘S’ in the phone book.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:20am
  - skyblue
    
    Can you send me your phone book? I don’t have one.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:03am
  - gravedodger
    
    Somewhere between shit and syphalis.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:42am
    - skyblue
      
      sympathy?
      
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      November 12, 2018 11:10am
Yvette

RF
Watch out for multiple public showings of the squirrel and a fire sale for used lawn mowers.

krazykiwi
I want to get into selling lawnmowers. I’ve heard there’s great money in this line, and that I could meet some really influential people.

secondcumming
People who import lawnmowers from Czechoslovakia

Nostradamus
Have you spoken to Krazykiwi about your lawnmower options?

OK – I’m missing something. A link would help, please.
Between Kiwibuild and the prospect of a heavily redacted Haumaha report, is there something out there more interesting?
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November 12, 2018 9:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yvette, try here.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:45am
- rangitoto
  
  Should be a new song titled “Bohemian lawn mowers”
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:29am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “I’m in such real strife.
    It was just ecstasy.
    Caught with a lawnmower,
    no escape from penitentiary “
    
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    November 12, 2018 12:51pm
KKKKatee

Nicki Hager or Dotcom even at it again?
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November 12, 2018 9:12am
Rich Prick

Calling all doctors, lawyers and accountants, Twyford needs your help.
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November 12, 2018 9:20am
- fernglas
  
  Government by the yuppies for the yuppies.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    Government by yuppie?
    
    “a fashionable young middle-class person with a well-paid job.”
    
    Well Ardern kills the fashionable, and the rest..well-paid is about the only qualification these thieving scoundrels tick.
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:44am
- KevOB
  
  But won’t accept your advice.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:01am
- alex Masterley
  
  I don’t think I could act for Twyford.
  He wouldn’t survive the AML process especially as he is a PEP.
  
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  November 12, 2018 2:45pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    A PEP who is a bit casual with facts and numbers to boot.
    
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    November 12, 2018 3:23pm
Fletch

I can’t believe this asshole –

French President Emmanuel Macron denounced nationalism during an Armistice Day centennial observance in Paris on Sunday.

“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism: Nationalism is treason,” Macron said, according to a Euronews translator.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/11/11/french-president-emanuel-macron-nationalism-is-treason/
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November 12, 2018 9:34am
- Harkman
  
  Well he certainly knows how to make friends.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:39am
- VicParking
  
  Lost in translation or maybe lost up Merkels arse.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:42am
- Rich Prick
  
  Well, the rest of the world won’t be in such a hurry to save France the next time.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:16am
  - Woz
    
    It is important to remember that the French are always there when they need us.
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:33am
    - VicParking
      
      And they never get in the way during a battle.
      
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      November 12, 2018 10:41am
      - Woz
        
        Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris?
        
        I don’t know, of course. Nobody knows. It’s never been tried.
        
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        November 12, 2018 1:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    Doesn’t appear that Britain was there anyway !
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:23am
- Komata
  
  As LBJ told Deane Rusk to ask de Gaulle: ‘What’s he going to do about repatriating the 60,000+ plus American military dead that lie in war cemeteries in France?’
  
  De Gaulle didn’t reply…
  
  Perhaps Macron needs a reminder…
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:32am
  - flipper
    
    Johnson actually went further. He instructed that his exact words were to be conveyed to De Gaulle.
    De Gaulle not ont ignored what LBJ (Rusk) said, he actually got up and left the room.
    As Churchill said:
    “The greatest cross I have had to bear is the “Cross of Lorraine”.
    Darlan was a Nazi prick, whose demise solved an Allied problem.
    De Gaulle was the ultimate egotist.
    Macron, is now the French bureaucratic echo chamber.
    
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    November 12, 2018 12:25pm
- Jules99
  
  “Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism” – double speak straight out of 1984.
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:32am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Macron is right and Trump is wrong. Using words to convey meaning is not one of Trump’s strengths.
    
    Words sometimes have a meaning other than their literal meaning. “Nationalism” doesn’t mean you want what is best for your nation, any more than “socialism” means you want what is best for society.
    
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    November 12, 2018 12:00pm
    - lilman
      
      Trump should tell them to go to hell when France falls in to civil war.
      
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      November 12, 2018 12:49pm
- DigNap15
  
  He disgusts me.
  He should have kept politics out if it.
  
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  November 12, 2018 7:53pm
dime

Dime is out of the loop.

What’s all the lawnmower stuff about? Something in relation to chompers or Gaylord?
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November 12, 2018 9:51am
- kowtow
  
  Seems its a euphemism for cocaine.
  
  The Czech , I’m guessing , had high profile users .
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:19am
- Inandout
  
  Eight years ago:
  https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-kept-cocaine-in-lawnmower-458274.html
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:24am
- rangitoto
  
  Supposed text messages to the Czech asking about supply of law mowers.
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:31am
  - dime
    
    ah i see. how naughty!
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:56am
kloyd0306

Those teachers who shout: “Its all about the children”, are liars.
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November 12, 2018 10:02am
- peterwn
  
  If “Its all about the children” they would have not lobbied for the closing down of charter schools.
  
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  November 12, 2018 2:20pm
Lance

So Rocket Lab launches the first ever commercial rocket with payload from NZ and the MSM say………………………. almost nothing on page 11

WTF?

Slock, innuendo and mocking anything not far left are all these clowns can report. Arseholes
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November 12, 2018 10:04am
- kevn
  
  @Lance… Also a triumph for Callaghan Innovation who helped with the Rocket Lab start-up.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:50am
  - Jack5
    
    Rocket Lab is two-thirds owned in the United States, but it has been the drive of its founder and head, Beck, a New Zealander, that is the key factor.
    
    It is a great achievement. Let’s hope NZ gets some more technology ventures like this.
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:05am
- jcuk
  
  RNZ National had quite a long i/v with Rocketlab about their achievement etc. this morning
  
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  November 12, 2018 3:41pm
harvey wilson

Shane Jones failed to disclose 61 meetings he had , he’s trying to spin in as a clerical error.
Stephieboy etc, I look forward to your attempts to deflect this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108523908/shane-jones-failed-to-declare-61-ministerial-meetings
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November 12, 2018 10:06am
- Felt
  
  Mountain out of a molehill. Its only 61 meetings and it’s not as though Shane has any public funds that he is responsible for!
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:33am
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

Should MELBOURNE be officially designated a *Shithole*?
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November 12, 2018 10:21am
- Rich Prick
  
  Not the whole shebang, perhaps just Noble Park, Meadow Heights, Reservoir, Thomastown, Dallas, Coburg, Broadmeadows, Lalor, St Albans and Dandenong.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:40am
- kowtow
  
  Should the politicians who imported the shit be charged with treason?
  
  Meanwhile in Eurostan the German Greens want to make it easier for rapists to come and stay , and to be spread throughout the whole block. This federalism ties in with the Merkel / Macron love affair , as well as the soon to be signed UN compact on migration……… big things happening on the world stage to destroy white civilisation and the MSM bang on about how evil Trump is .
  
  The more I see of the neo Marxist agenda the more time I have for Trump , warts and all.
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-make-eu-election-pledges-on-asylum-climate-change/a-46251904
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:44am
  - wiseowl
    
    It was good to hear Leighton give some prominence to the UN Compact on Immigration this morning.Of all the issues floating about this has to be the most serious.It is a clear attempt to do away with countries so that the UN can establish its one world government.
    New Zealand should in no way be signing this agreement and National , if responsible for taking the first steps to signing should be backtracking fast and fighting it all the way.
    The parts that Leighton read out were so alarming and if our politicians are so gullible or indoctrinated that they cannot see the folly of signing the future of our country away to third world drifters and UN control leftists then they should get out of politics.Fight back bigly on this issue.
    
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    November 12, 2018 12:00pm
- Lance
  
  Seems odd that Aus gleefully deports NZers at the drop of a hat, an unwise friendship with the wrong people etc……
  And allows known Islamic extremists with violent intent to stay put?
  
  WTF?
  
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  November 12, 2018 12:18pm
sooty

Is today the day that Hide The Hyphen is sent to back benchers?
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November 12, 2018 10:22am
- harvey wilson
  
  Who do you replace him with ? It’s not like they are exactly overwhelmed by competent MPs putting up their hands to take over .
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:32am
  - Paulus
    
    Whoever it is must at least be able to read !
    
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    November 12, 2018 1:34pm
- burt
  
  He’s off looking at lawnmowers getting ready for his gardening leave.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:41am
  - harvey wilson
    
    I’m struggling to keep up with the ways in which we can mock the coalition of the damned . What’s the deal with lawnmower?
    
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    November 12, 2018 10:58am
    - burt
      
      oob has the low down here.
      
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      November 12, 2018 11:00am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Nice . Not surprising but nice all the same .
        
        I bet he was sweating bullets when customs searched him back when that false tip about him smuggling kiwi eggs was phoned into Lax .
        
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        November 12, 2018 11:14am
Felt

I have reviewed the stats on employment released last week. I can not see any reason that the unemployment rate should drop. There are swings and roundabouts within some sectors which highlight statistical inconsistencies more than job creation, but those do not point to a big drop in unemployment. There are regional inconsistencies that again point to problems in gathering the data rather than job creation. And to top it off there are seasonal adjustments that mask everything, making it difficult to find the real cause.

My conclusions are that we are likely to see a big correction in the unemployment numbers next time back to, or slightly higher, than those from the previous qtr (June 18).
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November 12, 2018 10:30am
- alloytoo
  
  I have heard rumours that the unemployed are being shuffled into “Adult Education” in preparation for a new life in the bureaucracy.
  
  Expect State services to balloon in the next year.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:42am
  - burt
    
    Expect State services to balloon in the next year.
    
    They always do under Labour.
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:02am
    - Felt
      
      There must be a state services head count number somewhere or the ability to OIA request the numbers?
      
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      November 12, 2018 11:12am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  household labour survey used to collect this data has sample of about 30000 people. 1% is 300 people.
  Margin of error is <0.1%. Result is weird, and could be an extreme three or four standard deviation outlier, but the process is pretty sound.
  
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  November 12, 2018 10:50am
- tf78
  
  I read on Roy Morgan Daily news Aus this morning:
  
  Roy Morgan have Aussie unemployment at 9.4%
  Aussie Bureau of Stats have it at 5% – probably they used the same recipe as here.
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:19am
  - rangitoto
    
    The CoL here have half of the losers in the country employed on working groups.
    
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    November 12, 2018 11:38am
- fluffykiwi
  
  It is a book entry they have been moved from the register via the employment scheme where an employer gets a subsidy for the wage if they take on an unemployed person, and hey presto the unemployment stats drop. Magic.
  
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  November 12, 2018 12:17pm
- DigNap15
  
  The stupid thing is that although the stats say that unemployment is lower.
  Those on the Job Seekers benefit have gone up?
  
  How can that be.
  Why was that not made the bigger thing?
  
  We are paying the dole to more people as Sepoluni does noy want to pressure them to get a job, just come in fro free money!
  
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  November 12, 2018 7:57pm
Jack5

I see that Brian Priestley, a media guru of decades past, died in Christchurch on Saturday aged 92.

Brian was a driver in the change to having reporters trained in tertiary institutions rather than by apprenticeships, and was quite prominent as a commentator on the talk shows on State television and radio, as well as in the print media.

I think I remember him saying that as a youngster in World War 2 he trained as a paratrooper, but his unit remained on standby for air drop into the Arnhem disaster. He would have been only about 18 years old then.
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November 12, 2018 11:01am
- Jules99
  
  “driver in the change to having reporters trained in tertiary institutions ”
  Hmmm…. That might explain the current quality and bias of journalism.
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:30am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    The journalism itself is maybe two modules.
    That needs to be topped up with a whole lot more credits to make it into a degree.
    
    I suppose you could, in theory, take a few papers in chemistry or statistics so they’d be able to make sense of the world around them.
    
    But why do that when you can get the same amount of credits for polsci and basket weaving and spend a lot more time partying?
    
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    November 12, 2018 1:33pm
  - stephieboy
    
    jules99, except those at Breitbart, Fox and the Gateway Pundit etc ??
    
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    November 12, 2018 1:33pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    Correct. Some degrees make Women Studies compulsory while men’s studies isn’t even provided. Journalism is filled with similar bias. Politics is about as bigoted as compulsory castration.
    
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    November 12, 2018 7:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  used to enjoy his media commentary program “4th estate?”
  
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  November 12, 2018 11:41am
Jules99

I run a small business – things usually slow down a bit in December in the lead up to Christmas. Anyway, enquiries and new business has dropped off a cliff this month. Yes, I’ve checked my website is still up and the phone works. I know two people who expect to be busy right now, who have noticed a significant slow down in the past month. Anyone else noticed an usual quiet spell at work?
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November 12, 2018 11:36am
- secondcumming
  
  When the ANZ came out last week and offered the lowest fixed home mortgage rate in 70 years (3.95%), that’s an indicator things are turning to shit.
  
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  November 12, 2018 12:55pm
- Jack5
  
  Talking to a garage owner. The price of petrol cuts into motorists’ mileage, and the garage owner reckons this has caused his mechanical-service business volume to ease.
  
  Similar views from local tyre retailers.
  
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  November 12, 2018 1:07pm
  - sam green
    
    How many local tyre retailers have you spoken to regarding this issue Jack5?
    
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    November 12, 2018 1:30pm
    - Jack5
      
      Just get off your arse and talk to some yourself, Sam.
      
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      November 12, 2018 1:49pm
      - sam green
        
        So none then?
        
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        November 12, 2018 1:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        What’s with all the questions, Sam?
        
        That’s a novel approach for a troll.
        
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        November 12, 2018 1:53pm
      - sam green
        
        Calling your bullshit.
        
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        November 12, 2018 1:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        If it were bullshit, you would counter it with some sources and, perhaps, figures.
        
        You don’t. So you are just trolling, Sam, as you usually do.
        
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        November 12, 2018 2:01pm
      - sam green
        
        I simply asked you how many tyre retailers you had canvassed.
        
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        November 12, 2018 2:05pm
      - Jack5
        
        The police ought to hire you as a negotiator, Sam.
        
        Poor, holed-up, armed loners, would quite quickly top themselves rather than continue talking to a cracked record.
        
        There are entertaining trolls, like the exiled Kea, but Sam, you are an amateur, a boring amateur.
        
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        November 12, 2018 2:13pm
      - sam green
        
        Here’s a thing Jack5 – if tyre retailers are seeing a downturn in their business, your think they would be laying off staff. Right? So why would they be advertising (just one retailer) across the country for staff?
        https://www.careers.bridgestone.co.nz/
        
        So who’s trolling? You’re trying to make out that the economy is tanking with no evidence – just because its a leadership that you didn’t want.
        
        Oh the Ad hominum attacks ?????.
        
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        November 12, 2018 2:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        Sam, they look like they are probably replacement staff. What’s your evidence they aren’t?
        
        You are lying when you say I was claiming the economy was tanking.
        
        In fact I was recounting my experience talking to three tyre retailers on Friday. I’m not inclined to go back to them and ask if they mind me using their names on Kiwiblog.
        
        But you are the most boring troll to infest Kiwiblog, Sam. Not as mad as the Stephies, but more boring.
        
        By the way, it’s “ad hominem”. ?
        
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        November 12, 2018 2:37pm
      - sam green
        
        Thanks Jack5 – three tyre retailers? – fibber.
        
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        November 12, 2018 2:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well funnily enough I had to get a tyre fixed last week at my local Devonport Bridgestone
        The guy was working by himself.
        I asked why
        He said his helper had left but he wasn’t busy enough to replace him.
        
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        November 12, 2018 3:19pm
    - Garbageman
      
      How many does he have to talk to Sam i work in the stainless steel manufacturing sector and i sure as fuck dont need to canvas the entire industry one by one to find out how things are going the simple reality is people in the same or similar industries do talk (a lot) to each other, when you finally make you debut from mummys basement you will one day understand this and many other joyous things that go on in the big wide world without your esteemed knowledge
      
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      November 12, 2018 2:25pm
      - sam green
        
        I doubt he has talked to anyone. How’s the stainless steel manufacturing business?
        
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        November 12, 2018 3:07pm
  - starboard
    
    Stoooopid boy, green sam..its ” you ” , not “your”.
    
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    November 12, 2018 3:40pm
    - sam green
      
      Go back to sleep starbored – by the way – have you assimilated yet?
      
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      November 12, 2018 3:52pm
MrTips

Interesting day for NZFirst with His Incredible Diminutiveness™ out of town.

Media suddenly announce 1) Simon’s not that bad 2) Shane’s a twat and 3) ready and waiting for Tracey Martin to drop the heavily ~~retarded~~ redacted WallyBomb©

Reading between the lines of course…..
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November 12, 2018 11:39am
LTA1955

You can only laugh at this latest move by Google into it’s potential new premises….its not a done deal but history repeats itself springs to mind:
https://www.infowars.com/make-police-states-hip-again-google-offered-stasi-hq-for-new-berlin-office/

It looks like satire, but it’s obviously true: The Berlin district of #Lichtenberg is offering @Google to establish its new Google campus in the old GDR #Stasi (secret service which spied on its citizens) headquarters after Google faced too much resistance in hip Kreuzberg.
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November 12, 2018 11:41am
Kevinnz

Morrissey attacked!!!

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/11/11/morrissey-attacked-onstage-during-san-diego-concert/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29
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November 12, 2018 12:21pm
Cobolt24

Much of the MSM and those with TDS would tell you Trump didn’t go honour the veterans, he did but in a different cemetery in Western France.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/11/donald-trump-paris-remarks/1967100002/
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November 12, 2018 12:37pm
stoptheboats

interesting last nite watching a bunch of asians helping themselves to stuff left outside the closed local sallies shop. Suppose thats legit or is it stealing?
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November 12, 2018 1:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  Now which kind of Asians?:
  
  South, South East or the Far East?
  
  BTW your alias might suggest you a member of a Coastal watch vigilante based at Cape Colville etc?
  
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  November 12, 2018 1:10pm
  - Jack5
    
    Calm down, Stephie X, there was no suggestion they were Stephiestanis.
    
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    November 12, 2018 1:51pm
    - igm
      
      His mossie mates had already taken the good shit.
      Funny how these Islamists hate Christians, but do not mind going to their shops for cheap articles.
      Have stopped giving anything to Sallies as they fall all over them, and I would sooner give my old/unwanted goods to hospice, than give it to anything directly or indirectly supporting Islam.
      
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      November 12, 2018 5:05pm
- secondcumming
  
  @ stoptheboats
  
  Yup, completely legit…….got my missus a pair of jeans from there for her birthday. Unfortunately they were only a Sz 8, but at least they got her fat arse back to the gym.
  
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  November 12, 2018 1:14pm
- artemisia
  
  Stealing.
  
  Last year happened to be waiting at the bus stop opposite a Sallies store on a Sunday. Guy on a bike with a big box tied on the back worked his way through the bags and boxes. Just tipped stuff out, took what he wanted, left a right mess. Then a station wagon pulled up, 3 PIs hopped out and also went through stuff. Also left a mess behind. And were efficient, fast, no conversation happening, looked like they knew exactly what they were doing.
  
  The stuff was in the parking bay, not on the street.
  
  I called the cops, didn’t see what happened though as the bus turned up.
  
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  November 12, 2018 1:50pm
  - kowtow
    
    Just as well you got away before the cops arrived ( bwahahahaha, as if they’d turn up to that kind of theft case )
    
    You’d go down on some cop database as a far right racist xenophobe ,with a hatred of the “poor” to boot.
    
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    November 12, 2018 4:16pm
rouppe

An interesting review of real world EV running costs.

If you use the figures for using a charging station, and add in RUC that an EV should be paying, it costs more to run a BMW i3 than a BMW i2 18i.

Interesting…
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November 12, 2018 1:27pm
- rangitoto
  
  Electric cars are usually heavier than the equivalent petrol/diesel powered cars because of the weight of the battery. They should probably have a higher RUC than an equivalent sized diesel car.
  
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  November 12, 2018 2:18pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    EV doesn’t need giant tanker trucks to bring the fuel where it’s needed. Or supertankers, or dirty oil wells, or refineries.
    
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    November 12, 2018 7:24pm
- burt
  
  Obviously we need a bigger subsidy on the purchase price.
  
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  November 12, 2018 2:30pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    Like ICE vehicles don’t pay for pollution harm? 200 air quality deaths in Auckland every year.
    
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    November 12, 2018 7:21pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Big Ebola outbreak in the Congo – source of 85% of world’s cobalt, a major and critical component of electric car batteries. Worries that it is going to take off and become so wide spread that it is impossible to eradicate. At which point we will have to permanently quarantine the affected area.
  
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  November 12, 2018 3:42pm
  - kowtow
    
    We’re about to sign up to a UN Compact on Migration making it a lot easier for more of these people to come to the west.
    
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    November 12, 2018 4:13pm
    - Komata
      
      Kt
      
      Wait for the soft serve to persuade us that the ‘invited ones’ are totally harmless and will never pose a threat to our dear country…
      
      The MSM will, of course, totally agree.
      
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      November 12, 2018 8:32pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    There is a Vaccine for Ebola now. Plus if it’s in a war zone and is worth money you can guarantee a few captured slaves will dig it out to pay for more bullets.
    Not all battery types use cobalt.
    
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    November 12, 2018 7:17pm
  - Komata
    
    Urbancol…
    
    If the ban is ever put in place, you can be very sure that one major world power will ignore it completely, and would in fact welcome it as their ‘colonies’ will be effectively isolated and they will be able to continue with their plans unhindered and free from scrutiny. The King of the Belgians has nothing on this lot…
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:30pm
- DJ Ward
  
  You presented a false argument. Cost to run is not the same as cost to be on the road.
  
  The physics is pretty simple. Petrol motors can never exceed 40% efficiency and most ‘high performers’ are in the 20% range. EV has very little loss at any stage. Batteries at 99% plus and motors in the 90% to 95% range.
  Petrol burnt at a multi stage generator plant can drive an EV 3 time further than if used in a petrol car. As figures in the range of 60% to 80% can be reached.
  There you go. 3 times more efficient.
  
  As pointed out at some point, to pay for roads, a per Km tax has to be applied.
  
  But it remains up to 3 times more energy efficient and therefore cost efficient to drive an EV. Tax doesn’t effect physics.
  
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  November 12, 2018 4:01pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So DJ, do you drive a new Tesla or a shitty old Jap Import Leaf?
    
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    November 12, 2018 5:17pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      No. Why?
      
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      November 12, 2018 6:03pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Oh, so you’re driving a dirty old Jap Import Toyota Surf then?
        If you’re an electric car nut, tell us what you drive.
        Even if it’s a pushbike.
        
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        November 12, 2018 9:02pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Close to 30% of the capital cost of an EV is the battery. And the battery will need replacing long before the car is finished it’s natural life.
  
  That ensures depreciation is very high. That very real cost of ownership is mentioned nowhere in the article.
  
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  November 12, 2018 5:09pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You nailed it krazy.
    A ten year old electric car with a worn out battery is worth $0.
    A ten year old petrol car in good nick is still worth $8-15,000 (depending what it is).
    
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    November 12, 2018 5:21pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    That’s not correct. Newer batteries loose 20% of their max charge then stabilise for the life of the car.
    They are not lead acids that die.
    Yet to see the lifespan on Ali ion yet but should inherently be cheaper than Lithuim. Can’t catch fire and near instant full charging.
    
    In 10 years batteries will be cheaper than now as mass manufacturing drops prices towards commodity prices.
    
    Your argument doesn’t include engine oils, oil filters, air filters, cam belts, etc etc. They also don’t survive the life of the car. So some offsetting vs maintenance on EV.
    
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    November 12, 2018 6:15pm
    - cmm
      
      “near instant full charging.” Yeah right.
      
      “In 10 years batteries will be cheaper than now as mass manufacturing drops prices towards commodity prices. ”
      
      The prices cannot drop below the cost of making raw materials.
      
      If EVs are so great then no subsidies are required. Let them pay full RUC charges etc.
      
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      November 12, 2018 8:10pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        It will come. Looks to be a strong chance that EV’s will be 10-20% of market by 2025, with 500km range batteries costing <$10k. At that point RUC will be a given.
        
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        November 12, 2018 8:18pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Nope. They don’t stabilise at all. Quite the opposite. The older lithium-based batteries get, the more susceptible they are to charge-cycle deterioration based on discharge and recharge rates. Did you know, for example, that heavy acceleration in hot weather no only reduces the range of the current charge, but it also reduces that total number of charge cycles remaining the battery?
      
      My ‘argument’ was that the article didn’t take into account depreciation of a substantial and volatile capital component.
      
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      November 12, 2018 8:51pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        Your correct for old tech Lithuim.
        
        Advances have been made that address those issues. They may not have disappeared but batteries from 10 years ago are not the same as newer versions. Neither is it compulsory to limit ourselves to Lithuim.
        
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        November 12, 2018 9:35pm
  - greybeard
    
    I dare say that very soon swappable batteries will become the norm, same as gas bottles. And why not ?
    
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    November 12, 2018 6:16pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Battery swapping is by far the best technical and economic solution, eliminates range issues, increases efficiency, lowers costs and reduces need for extensive charging infrastructure. But it doesn’t necessarily suit the manufacturers who want to sell more expensive cars.
      
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      November 12, 2018 8:15pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Lithium ion EV batteries are good for at least 1-2000 cycles if not charged too fast. at 3-500km per cycle that is likely longer than the life of the vehicle.
    
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    November 12, 2018 8:24pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      That’s only 300,000 km to 1,000,000 km.
      
      Crap the ICE cars need new engines before then.
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:39pm
BananaLlama

Nationalism is loyalty to your people.
Patriotism is loyalty to your government.
A good patriot always questions his government. Macron.
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November 12, 2018 1:46pm
- kowtow
  
  Banana
  
  Nationalism is love of nation, patriotism is of fatherland , nothing to do with the gubmint of the day.
  
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  November 12, 2018 3:06pm
rangitoto

Looks like WO is still broken.
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November 12, 2018 3:03pm
- MrTips
  
  has been for a long, long time….
  
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  November 12, 2018 3:21pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Couldn’t afford tampons so had to take a day off.
  
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  November 12, 2018 7:39pm
Prince

For Breaking Bad fans, Heisenberg ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/108524490/two-taken-to-hospital-after-christchurch-laundromat-explosion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JS-iK0lD0s

ASAC Hank Shrader has been called in but unable to be located.
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November 12, 2018 3:04pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108539993/government-expands-abuse-inquiry-to-churches-and-faithbased-insitutions

But Fingergate has been kicked down the road a year…
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November 12, 2018 3:12pm
- MrTips
  
  Nah, fingergate is a matter of law now. It will come up sooner than you think…..
  
  Now I’m a Catholic – will be til’ the end. I for one am very happy that the scope now includes Churches et al. It may have slipped by a lot of people, but there is a massive “civil war” going on the RCC right now. The problem is child and seminarian abuse, ~80% of which has been homosexual in nature as calculated in other jurisdictions. Many homosexualist Bishops and Cardinals, as well as their straight, limp wristed careerist friends either perpetrated these crimes, or covered them up. These same corrupt clerics are the ones demanding the Church get “with the times” and be “down with the kids”. If you want to see how unfettered coalition with the progressive homosexualist crowd works out, just look at the RCC.
  
  The same is true here – I know of at least one teen abuse case and one priest attack for a fact. The teen case guy went to jail. Despite many attempts to set things right, that priest case got dropped, and the victim left the diocese rather worse for wear. So, time to get rid of the corruption.
  
  I for one hope the Commission here does what their USA Federal counterparts have done, and immediately issue notes to ALL the Catholic dioceses demanding no shredding, altering or hiding of documents and that they expect PDFs of ALL the hidden Chancery files (that’s right there are hidden Chancery files on all diocesan staff, clergy and lay) to be delivered soon.
  
  I can think of at least 3 rather nervous prelates right now, north of the Hundalees.
  
  As for the Office of Professional Standards set up by the NZCBC here? Dissolve it, waste of time.
  
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  November 12, 2018 3:33pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Why would any sensible 1st worlder want become a nominally asexual priest? Only about 6-7 ordinations per million catholics in the (relatively religious) USA, similar elsewhere in the west. Truth is that without the pedophilic ‘perks’ the priesthood is dying – the lifestyle sucks too much. Catholicism needs to forget about clerical celibacy if they want to survive.
    
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    November 12, 2018 4:31pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      God seems to have stopped calling 1st Worlders to the Priesthood and the Nunnery.
      
      Folks from Pacific Is, Asia, and Africa seem to be on the receiving end of God’s cell phone.
      
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      November 12, 2018 6:15pm
      - nasska
        
        Have to agree Maggy. I can sling a good line of bullshit & the celibacy doesn’t worry me anything like it would have fifty years ago so you’d think I’d be a shoo-in for a part time crack at the priestly racket.
        
        Yet no job offers. Huey seems to have forgotten my cellphone number. 🙂
        
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        November 12, 2018 6:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I couldn’t hack it…. all day-long in the company of “do-gooders”… and then returning to an all-female home for evenings.
        
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        November 12, 2018 6:40pm
      - nasska
        
        What about having to listen to the whining no-hopers trying to convince their imaginary God to change His plans for the universe via their prayers & entreaties?
        
        “Holy Father, cure my bunions & give us world peace & in return I’ll throw a couple of dollars in the collection box on the way out.”
        
        I’d have to be on Valium or I’d do them a mischief! 🙂
        
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        November 12, 2018 6:56pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Jehovas Witness with the 2 witness, don’t go to the police rules.
  Closed faiths like Brethren.
  
  While Catholics may have been a natural attraction for gays, abuse is present in all faiths and all parts of society.
  
  The issue with this is examining outside of government entities. Churches today, sports clubs tommorow, buisinesses next week, every home next year.
  
  Getting justice for victims is fine. Identifying offenders is fine. But when does this entity end its work. Will this develope into a more crazed witch hunt. The investigators with jobs for life.
  
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  November 12, 2018 7:36pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”But when does this entity end its work”…..
    
    Never. That’s the problem with government sponsored witch sniffers. Once they get established they’re set for life.
    
    To be realistic, child sexual abuse will never end. There will always be those attracted to a bit of fresh meat & they will follow careers & hobbies that put them in contact with their prey.
    
    The reason I hold religious predators in such contempt is that they use the kids’ Godaddled parent’s trust in them to gain access to their quarry. The abused children have nowhere to turn.
    
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    November 12, 2018 7:48pm
krazykiwi

Maurice Newman (The Australian) writes

Whom or what to believe? After 50 years of failed predictions, people are reasoning that something other than science is behind this alarmism.
:::
People are reasoning that something other than science is behind this alarmism. And that something is the UN.

What else? Its global reach, back corridors and duplicity have allowed it to build an unchallenged mutually reinforcing $1.5 trillion industry of captive politicians, scientists, journalists, crony capitalists and non-governmental organisation activists bent on globalism through anti-Western sentiment and wealth transfer.

Mutually reinforcing indeed. The average citizen is bullied, scared, and lied to in order to ensure submissive behaviour, and taxable guilt.
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November 12, 2018 4:01pm
sooty

Comrade Cindy is in PNG according to rumors, along with the dwarf.
Has Jethro been allowed to go too?
Who’s the nanny. Mummy.?
On our dime?
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November 12, 2018 5:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Is the Kelvinator in charge then?
  
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  November 12, 2018 5:24pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I think Jethro only travels with SLG to certain places on a Diplomat Passport.
  Dunno why, and I could be wrong
  
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  November 12, 2018 6:33pm
Viking2

Seems Northland hasn’t got much benefit from Jones.

Self-employed painter John Waikato is among 5500 unemployed Northlanders and latest figures show the number of people without jobs in the region has risen nearly 31 per cent in the past three months.

The 50-year-old qualified painter is volunteering for One Double Five Community House in Whangārei – it provides a range of support to struggling families – since work dried up about six months ago.

Statistics New Zealand figures show 5500 or 6.2 per cent of Northland’s working age population were unemployed in the September quarter which was higher than the national rate of 3.9 per cent.

Of the unemployed, 3000 were Maori and 2500 non-Maori, while 3600 were male and 1900 female.
https://www.yudu.co.nz/news/the-region-that-bucks-the-falling-joblessness-trend/43656/
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November 12, 2018 5:36pm
- nasska
  
  …..”6.2 per cent of Northland’s working age population were unemployed”…..
  
  There’s bugger all in the way of “anchor” industries in Northland. Before someone can afford to engage a painter they need to be employed themselves. Off the top of my head the Far North has the JNL mill at Kaitaia, a freezing works at Moerewa, there’s a Fonterra dairy factory at Kauri & Marsden Point provides work. Obviously a few infrastructure jobs, logging truck drivers & some work associated with tourism.
  
  That’s simply not sufficient for a region with a young & growing population.
  
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  November 12, 2018 6:05pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Time the useless local Maori tribe signed up for the big payout then?
    
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    November 12, 2018 9:10pm
    - nasska
      
      Won’t make any difference to the marginalised masses within Maoridom Captain. The Iwi is incredibly fractionated & the Treaty cake is going to be sliced amongst hapu on a micromanaged, no love lost level. Expect assets to be fought over in Court for the next 50 years.
      
      Then, as we’ve all witnessed, the “trickle down theory” is a load of shit everywhere & Maori society is no exception. BMWs for the Kaumatua are more important by orders of magnitude than housing those currently living fifteen to a rotten, falling down hovel on tribal land.
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:40pm
Jack5

How PC-ism is twisting the language.

Stuff reports:

An Australian woman charged with placing needles in strawberries, triggering a nationwide food tampering crisis, has been refused bail.

My Ut Trinh, 50, of Caboolture, north of Brisbane, Queensland, appeared calm in the dock after spending the night in custody.

Names of most Australians appearing in an Australian court wouldn’t be qualified in a media report with the adjective “Australian”. You take it they are Australian.

So the PC use a code. Using the adjective “Australian” implies the person is of different ethnicity to the Anglo-Irish majority of the Australian population.

It’s not really needed. Even without the accompanying photograph, it’s clear from the name the accused person is South-east Asian ethnicity, probably Vietnamese.

A Vietmamese Australian might be the description in a saner time, or an “ethnic Vietnamese Australian”.

So the word “Australian” hints this person is not really fully “Australian”.

Orwell we need you here again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/108545628/strawberry-farm-worker-charged-over-needles-refused-bail
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November 12, 2018 5:51pm
- greybeard
  
  And she needed an interpreter in court.
  What rubbish from the press.
  
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  November 12, 2018 5:56pm
- starboard
  
  That’s one fugly woman..with a capital F.
  
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  November 12, 2018 6:45pm
Doubledimp

Mrs Dimp: Why did they specifically choose the 11th of the 11th for the armistice?
Me: So the Americans wouldn’t get confused over the date.
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November 12, 2018 6:11pm
- kowtow
  
  Wouldn’t have happened without the Americans.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:27pm
starboard

Bro’s out again committing armed robbery.
Shocking this one as children witnessed it.
Goods photos, these filthy scumbags will be caught.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/108532290/children-watch-as-two-men-storm-northland-dairy-with-rifle-and-hammer
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November 12, 2018 6:16pm
starboard

Bro’s out again committing armed robbery.
Shocking this one as children witnessed it.
Goods photos, these filthy scumbags will be caught.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/108532290/children-watch-as-two-men-storm-northland-dairy-with-rifle-and-hammer
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November 12, 2018 6:17pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Was that a repeat robbery.
  
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  November 12, 2018 7:09pm
  - starboard
    
    Sorry, Ive got a stutter in my finger, and what I have to say is soooo important that DPF double posts just in case somebody misses it.
    
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    November 12, 2018 7:21pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘will be caught.’
  
  Yep , get out the wet bus tickets.
  
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  November 12, 2018 9:26pm
Pateke

Have to say I’m with the teachers on the strike action, although i have never been on strike myself. In 1968 i was paid $2492 a year as a first year teacher. In 1972 teachers received a massive salary increase, for me it was to $5208 a year as a fourth year teacher. It enabled us to have kids ,think about a house. More to the point teachers of science and math flooded to the job as it was attractive. That is the last time teachers received a decent upgrade inconsideration from government. I also felt valued and didn’t mind how many hours i put into the job, along within rugby and cricket on saturdays and supervising and endless number of enthusiastic trainees on section for six week S, enthusiastic for they too could see a future for themselves.
Faced with a three million slush fund and free fees for middle class students and being told there’s no more money is patent BS. Hipkins is a boy in a mans world and Jacinda is ….well, you know what? She is a millennial!
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November 12, 2018 7:01pm
- nasska
  
  No wonder you pulled finger & didn’t bitch about having to do a bit of work in 1972. According to the RBNZ Inflation counter (wages) $5208 then is the equivalent of $99,358 now!
  
  Near $100K for a part time job with the best holidays in NZ. The real world must be tough on you petals!
  
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  November 12, 2018 7:18pm
  - Pateke
    
    Possibly right Nasscar but Inever ever bitched, but I certainly felt valued! Went into commerce six years later, but still believe there are hard working teachers worth their salt.
    
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    November 12, 2018 7:27pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      There may well be hard working teachers worth their salt (or even more), but thanks to the union there are too many drones dragging all of them down to an equal but miserable wage.
      
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      November 12, 2018 9:15pm
Jack5

An interesting article on NZ’s banks by Brian Gaynor is still available on the Hooerald web site (link below).

It includes the fact that the former savings bank, ASB, was sold to Australians for a fraction of its present asset value.

The selling of NZ’s savings banks deserves a closer look. In their place were set up community trusts, most of which look to have become troughs for directors appointed by politicians.

They concentrate on doling out returns from investments. It will be interesting to see how the trusts weather inevitable economic downturns.

One of the criticisms of savings banks was that the State guarantee of savers’ accounts was regarded as unfair and anti-capitalistic. It’s interesting that there is early talk of a need for all bank investment accounts to be guaranteed.

Savings banks were unprofitable compared with big commercial banks because of scale, and because they tended to keep more branches in regional areas. They did provide jobs in the regions, including technology and management jobs.

Gaynor’s article, which is on Aussie banks rather than our old savings banks:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12157512
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November 12, 2018 9:24pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: The Kiwibuild fiasco … continued … NewstalkZB’s Mike Hosking explains …

Mike’s Minute (Video): People are waking up to the sham of KiwiBuild … NewstalkZB

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/video/mikes-minute-people-are-waking-up-to-the-sham-of-kiwibuild/

KiwiBuild at threat of going ‘KiwiBust’ over ‘plummeting popularity’ | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108471157/kiwibuild-at-threat-of-going-kiwibust-over-plummeting-popularity

… Why did the New Zealand Labour Party fail to learn from British political house building disasters … watch and weep …

Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4

… the focus must be on abolishing urban limits and properly debt financing infrastructure … ALLOWING new affordable housing to be built … so we can build out of this bubble NOT destructively bust out of it …

Govt criticised for moving slowly on Auckland growth boundary | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105295016/govt-criticised-for-moving-slowly-on-auckland-growth-boundary

Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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