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riffer

Exactly. We should drop the God bit too. Ridiculous stuff.
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November 2, 2018 9:03am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  That’s only your opinion, founded on post modernist reletevism. After all. If there is no God, then the strongest man decides what is moral. And if we follow that thought to logical conclusion, then morality is only what suits the strongest at the time.
  I don’t think I’d like to live under a government like that.
  
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  November 2, 2018 10:02am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    North Korea
    Cuba
    USSR
    Iron Curtain countries
    etc
    
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    November 2, 2018 10:52am
  - Scott
    
    Padriv – totally agree with your comments. I actually attended the protest. I had 4 people ask me on Monday whether I was going to the meeting? By the time of the 4th person I thought God was trying to tell me something and so I said yes. I am very glad that I did go.The media say there were hundreds there. I would have thought there was at least 1000?
    
    It was interesting that the movement was led by Maori who are obviously very concerned about this development. It was mentioned that in 1854 the parliamentary prayer was instituted.
    According to an elder who spoke, he prophesied that the parliament which prayed to Jesus Christ could be seen as a house built on the rock. Once you take away Jesus from the prayer then Parliament becomes a house built on the sand. And he prophesied that the house would not stand. The house would be swept away and another house would rise up and take its place.
    
    It was a pretty powerful prophecy. The foundation of our nation is Christian. The talk that this is a secular nation is nonsense. This was the pronouncement only of Helen Clark, who no longer holds office.
    
    Our nation was built on the foundations of Christianity and in the name of Jesus Christ. Without that spiritual foundation we have nothing on which to stand.
    
    Lastly looking around at the crowd there were a lot of Maori and a lot of working class people. If I was a labour MP I would look at that crowd and say there are lot of labour voters there. Labour may not believe in the power of Jesus particularly but they do believe in the power of the ballot box. And needlessly upsetting all of those people who likely vote Labour, is a serious mistake on their part, in my opinion.
    
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    November 2, 2018 10:59am
    - kiwitoffee
      
      The Labour Party jettisoned the working class years ago.
      Assuming they knew where a bus stop was, most Labour MPs would be embarrassed to share a seat on a bus with a working person.
      
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      November 2, 2018 3:21pm
    - big bruv
      
      ” By the time of the 4th person I thought God was trying to tell me something and so I said yes”
      
      Seriously mate, you need help. Those voices in your head are not your God, he does not exist.
      
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      November 2, 2018 5:09pm
- dave53
  
  Exactly. We are a secular state, thank god. There should not even be a prayer at all. Our national anthem likewise is cringeworthy. The Maori version is far more preferable, as it actually sounds good to the ear — even though, and yes I do know this, it is a direct translation of the awful English lyrics.
  
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  November 2, 2018 10:14am
  - Longknives
    
    If we are a ‘secular state’ then why does almost every Government Department now start their working day(or any important meetings etc) with a Maori prayer?
    *Not to mention most Primary Schools these days….
    
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    November 2, 2018 10:38am
    - kowtow
      
      Because we’re now a “spiritual state” with a new de facto religion.
      
      Maori spiritualism. The weird thing is the mainstream Christian denominations seem to be the ones who , apart from gubmint types , have been the most enthusiastic embracers of said stuff.
      
      But as with all things cultural marxist/post modern , the important thing is not what our betters have introduced , it’s what has been done away with …..
      
      ……anything to do with whiteys’ history , culture or tradition.
      
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      November 2, 2018 11:17am
    - lifesgood
      
      Ssssh! Longknives. You’ll get all the anti religion in school nutters after you. Some people are terrified their children might get taught right from wrong.
      
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      November 2, 2018 2:48pm
  - Local Miller
    
    Did the irony of this not strike you? “thank god” I thought you don’t believe in him!
    
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    November 2, 2018 10:38am
    - dave53
      
      Gidday Local Miller, it was deliberate and, as you noted, irony.
      
      I always use lower-case g when invoking the deity, and, as you did, a lower-case h when using a deity’s gender pronoun 🙂
      
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      November 2, 2018 11:25am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    AAAHHH the classic misrepresentation
    secular state
    Doesn’t mean a total lack of religion or religious influence.
    It just means a separation of powers between church and state. To stop the kind of thing that Henry VIII did.
    A prayer if said, in a Christian country, as we are, (just look at ALL our laws) MUST have God and Jesus Christ in it.
    I am an atheist
    BUT unlike you, I have read the bible (all be it a very long time ago) and am NOT afraid of anything it has to say, or anything it’s followers do.
    
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    November 2, 2018 10:58am
    - GoVege
      
      Definitely better Christianity than most of the other religions out there.
      Even if we don’t take it literally anymore.
      
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      November 2, 2018 2:08pm
  - Shunda barunda
    
    ” the awful English lyrics.
    The lyrics are all about keeping our nation free from the failings of humanity, failings that all rational people would agree have repeatedly manifested throughout world history. Apparently you disagree. People around the world have consistently stated that our national anthem is one of the best and most inspiring of all nations.
    The full version is below, tell me which lyrics are “awful”
    
    God of Nations at Thy feet,
    In the bonds of love we meet,
    Hear our voices, we entreat,
    God defend our free land.
    Guard Pacific’s triple star
    From the shafts of strife and war,
    Make her praises heard afar,
    God defend New Zealand.
    
    Men of every creed and race,
    Gather here before Thy face,
    Asking Thee to bless this place,
    God defend our free land.
    From dissension, envy, hate,
    And corruption guard our state,
    Make our country good and great,
    God defend New Zealand.
    
    Peace, not war, shall be our boast,
    But, should foes assail our coast,
    Make us then a mighty host,
    God defend our free land.
    Lord of battles in Thy might,
    Put our enemies to flight,
    Let our cause be just and right,
    God defend New Zealand.
    
    Let our love for Thee increase,
    May Thy blessings never cease,
    Give us plenty, give us peace,
    God defend our free land.
    From dishonour and from shame,
    Guard our country’s spotless name,
    Crown her with immortal fame,
    God defend New Zealand.
    
    May our mountains ever be
    Freedom’s ramparts on the sea,
    Make us faithful unto Thee,
    God defend our free land.
    Guide her in the nations’ van,
    Preaching love and truth to man,
    Working out Thy glorious plan,
    God defend New Zealand.
    
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    November 2, 2018 12:05pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

When the powerful Tooth Fairy is there to save us all, why do we need God? Trev is right folks.
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November 2, 2018 9:06am
- RW Capitalist
  
  As per previous comments, I will just remind you.
  Sarcasm WILL be taxed at a rate to be determined.
  
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  November 2, 2018 11:00am
Simon

So what.

One of the most vilest regimes in the world, the CCP, have bought NZ’s political class. Andrew Little, Phil Goff, John Key, Simon Bridges all little bitches who have all sold out to the CCP.

Currently CCP are fisting their way across the Pacific with their predatory lending while NZ taxpayers pour billions into the Pacific. NZ looks the other way to CCP buying up the Pacific.
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November 2, 2018 9:08am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Are you drinking something heavy this morning bro?
  
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  November 2, 2018 9:13am
  - Simon
    
    Nope. The cunts in Wellington and selected councils have sold out to the CCP.
    
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    November 2, 2018 9:17am
- Justitia
  
  I happen to agree with you Simon. What is the Chinese for quislings?
  
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  November 2, 2018 9:38pm
Sarkozygroupie

Given that this country is founded on the Westminster system and Judeo-Christian values I failed to see how one Socialist in a temporary position can trump the value system of this country.

And I’m not of the Christian faith, but I will defend the cornerstone foundations of this country.
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November 2, 2018 9:11am
- Justitia
  
  Mallard is also the Theologian in Chief don’t you know. He has had a revelation that the deity is an enormous murri dyke.
  
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  November 2, 2018 9:29am
  - GoVege
    
    The way many Maori males treat women, they’re better off being dykes.
    
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    November 2, 2018 2:03pm
- SGA
  
  Given that this country is founded on the Westminster system and Judeo-Christian values I failed to see how one Socialist in a temporary position can trump the value system of this country.
  
  I can’t see that the form of the prayer in Parliament does much to rock the foundations of the Westminster system, to be honest. I’d have thought MMP, say, or talk of a republic was much more significant.
  Likewise I’m not sure that this specific move is much of a threat to the non-religious Judeo-Christian values we have inherited (some of which can crop up in various other cultures as well – e.g., the “golden rule”). Which in particular do you think are threatened by this specific move?
  
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  November 2, 2018 9:38am
  - Shunda barunda
    
    “Likewise I’m not sure that this specific move is much of a threat to the non-religious Judeo-Christian values we have inherited”
    
    One thing we can be sure of, is this – every time the regressive left smash down some western convention, value, or foundational axiom, SGA will state “I’m not sure that this specific move is much of a threat”. This will continue until the “specific move” becomes a gun pointed at his own head.
    
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    November 2, 2018 12:13pm
    - SGA
      
      lol – I suppose from your perspective it might seem that way.
      
      On the other hand, the Chicken Little, “the sky is falling”, mindset has its disadvantages as well. If we had frozen our conventions and values in time, we would still have an absolute monarchy, slavery or serfdom, and all be Roman Catholics. And I’m sure that there were those at the time who saw such changes as the beginning of the end. Our culture has always changed with time – they’ll be giving women the right to vote next (shudder).
      
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      November 2, 2018 2:43pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  BUT BUT
  Socialist have but one god
  M A R X
  
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  November 2, 2018 11:02am
- James Stephenson
  
  The roots of British democracy come from pre-Christian Saxon and Scandinavian cultures. Alfred the Great may well have used Christianity as a unifying system against “Pagan” invaders but he was building on structures and traditions already in place.
  
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  November 2, 2018 12:36pm
  - bouden
    
    Huh? https://voegelinview.com/political-theory-and-anglo-saxon-democracy/
    “A theory that insists on discussing politics in terms of Anglo-Saxon democracy cannot deal adequately even with the Western national states, and not at all with the political organization…He will be blind to the fact that his own secular state is not quite so secular as he believes it is, but that civil rights and democratic recognition of equality derive from an idea of man that has grown in the shelter of Stoic cosmology and Christian faith…
    The Anglo-Saxons became Christian from around 600 and were fully established as such by the time they were crushed by the Normans.
    
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    November 2, 2018 10:26pm
- RojBlake
  
  Define Judeo-Christian values. I bet you can’t. Know who never says “Judeo-Christian values”? Jews.
  
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  November 2, 2018 6:15pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

I hope the Mallard Clown doesn’t recommend taking God out of God defend NZ and replace it with Tooth Fairy.
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November 2, 2018 9:15am
- dave_c_
  
  Careful – wasn’t there a push just recently to consider replacement of the current anthem ? Just like the flag issue, these proposals are not there by chance.
  
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  November 2, 2018 9:18am
- igm
  
  No, like Sleeze-Galloway, he is probably grovelling around Muslims at local mosques . . . decent people ignore such scum.
  
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  November 2, 2018 10:16am
MaidenNZ

Always knew Trevor was the devil, lol.

To follow the logic, we should also remove the Maori haka from rugby, because INCLUSIVE of other nations, and nt offending other Pacific Islanders etc etc ad nauseam.

Can’t BE anything while trying to be everything.
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November 2, 2018 9:17am
- Boris Piscina
  
  Noooooo!!!
  
  Flanders is the Devil.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHzHmt1Qxps
  
  🙂
  
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  November 2, 2018 9:43am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  Is that you John?
  
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  November 2, 2018 9:59am
  - Boris Piscina
    
    No.
    
    🙂
    
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    November 2, 2018 11:42am
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      MaidenNZ, not you Boris ?
      
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      November 2, 2018 12:33pm
- GoVege
  
  The haka was invented by a bloodthirsty cannibal to incite murder.
  What’s that got to do with Christianity?
  
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  November 2, 2018 2:01pm
Left Right and Centre

Just don’t ask me to drop it from my swearing arsenal – that would be sacrilege. Keep away . . . yeah, back there mate . . keep going . . .
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November 2, 2018 9:19am
expat

Well, this one will bring all the Tub Thumping Botherers out to the yard.
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November 2, 2018 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  If you’re happy for the far left to attack history , culture and tradition then you’re in their camp.
  
  I’m RC , and that prayer is very Anglican and in history and intent , anti Catholic . I’m more than happy for it to be retained in its Anglican format and don’t feel in the least bit “excluded” , in fact I’m damned happy to live in the system we have , long may it continue ( which is what the left don’t want , they want change ) Fuck ’em.
  
  ps We’re also just about to celebrate the saving of parliament from a Catholic terrorist……
  
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  November 2, 2018 11:23am
  - expat
    
    No I’m not & believing in Sky Fairies in the Bronze age isn’t a historical relic that needs to sustained today imo.
    
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    November 2, 2018 11:39am
    - Shunda barunda
      
      “No I’m not & believing in Sky Fairies in the Bronze age isn’t a historical relic that needs to sustained today imo.”
      
      Then don’t complain when the state religion that replaces it bites you on the ass.
      
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      November 2, 2018 12:18pm
      - expat
        
        Please elaborate on your non-specific scaremongering strawman
        
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        November 2, 2018 1:22pm
  - KevOB
    
    A prayer without Jesus is no prayer.
    
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    November 2, 2018 11:58am
    - RojBlake
      
      KevOB, Matthew 6:5.
      
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      November 2, 2018 6:20pm
    - big bruv
      
      “A prayer without Jesus is no prayer”
      
      Given there is no Jesus or God then there is never a prayer.
      
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      November 3, 2018 7:28am
marquess

Any faith that was reliant on being included in parliamentary prayer to exist probably isn’t a very good faith.

Go to church, sing your hymns, give your tithes and offerings. Parliament need not be involved.
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November 2, 2018 9:23am
- kiwitoffee
  
  You miss the point completely.
  
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  November 2, 2018 9:46am
- Longknives
  
  “Go to church, sing your hymns, give your tithes and offerings. Parliament need not be involved.”
  
  Likewise Maori Culture….
  
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  November 2, 2018 10:41am
  - KevOB
    
    Both fortunately and unfortunately we do live in a spiritual world. Those who don’t know Jesus are dancing with the other lot.
    
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    November 2, 2018 12:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Not reliant in the least . Simply opposing the far left’s attcks on our history , culture and traditions.
  
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  November 2, 2018 11:25am
kiwitoffee

Never happy unless he is kicking somebody, Mr Mallard now has a go at Jesus Christ.
To take this reference out of a Christian prayer at the opening of our Parliament shows just how contemptuous of our history are Mr Mallard and others like him.
It’s a shame and a disgrace. He’s pissing on our past.
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November 2, 2018 9:27am
- Paulus
  
  Am not sure that this was Mallard’s idea – some other forces were at work here to get him to do as he was told.
  Frankly he is not clever enough.
  I suggest that Ardern and her Feminists were heavily involved.
  
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  November 2, 2018 2:12pm
Tarquin North

Why fix something that isn’t broken? Compared to the new religion of climate change Christianity seems pretty well founded and logical.
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November 2, 2018 9:28am
- Bullion
  
  How is Christianity well founded and logical?
  
  How is ANY religion well founded and logical?
  
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  November 2, 2018 12:23pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    While I am an atheist and do not believe in an all encompassing god.
    The bible should be read and interpreted as a working manual for good and respectful living.
    There in it has a purpose, for everyone.
    How to respect yourself
    How to respect others
    How to behave in your day to day life.
    and in all that, the whole thing is written as a suggestion.
    The kingdom of heaven is open to you IF you do all these things otherwise…….
    If you don’t believe in God it doesn’t matter what the consequences are, because you don’t believe.
    
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    November 2, 2018 4:00pm
MaidenNZ

Will “ministers” now be banned from parliament?
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November 2, 2018 9:31am
secondcumming

Listening to ZB’s Bruce Russell last night, he said something about, “The Duck being a school teacher in the King Country…..you should hear what some of his students have to say about him”

Are there any here?
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November 2, 2018 10:45am
Longknives

Any truth to the rumour that Jacinda Ardern is actually about to anoint herself the Messiah? And that the Parliamentary prayer will now make mention of her, Clarke Gayford and their Holy child?

*Reports of trucks loaded with Kool Aid and tubs of cyanide being taken to Labour Party HQ just in case things go wrong…
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November 2, 2018 10:48am
- expat
  
  I thought it was bags of exctasy pills taken to labour yoof camps but what do i know
  
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  November 2, 2018 11:40am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Well I doubt that was a virgin birth.
  
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  November 2, 2018 4:02pm
DifferentPerspective

It wasn’t thousands

There weren’t thousands of protestors!

There were only hundreds – I know that was the case – I read it in the papers!

They wouldn’t lie!

Would they?

Although if you were a lying media whore, you could tell yourself that every thousand is made up of ten “hundreds” and so if there were around two thousand people there – you wouldn’t be lying because there was in fact 20 hundreds of protestors!
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November 2, 2018 10:56am
Inandout

That cartoon reminded me of something..read between the nappies.
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November 2, 2018 11:08am
stoptheboats

Interesting that there was a reasonable Earthquake after the protest concluded…
Thinkaboutit , Mallard and other morally bankrupt MPs
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November 2, 2018 11:48am
soundhill1

I think the behaviour in Parliament has been somewhat better under this leader and speaker. In the past, straight after the prayer, behaviour would seem to mock the prayer.

This move could be to be more encompassing or could it be an indicator of “New World Order” which this Christian talks about, warning also of Christian Zionists.

Jake talks about Kashoggi scenario, also connection of New World Order to the satanic atrocities in Palestine and Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOege5k7-PA
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November 2, 2018 12:12pm
DJ Ward

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

But he has a plan.
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November 2, 2018 6:51pm
- soundhill1
  
  “Lord” in the Bible sometimes seems to mean a creator and at other times a master.
  
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  November 2, 2018 8:02pm
Komata

Marx once stated that ‘Organised religion is the opiate of the people’ which is why the old USSR was determinedly anti-Christian, and decreed that ‘There was no God’.

That statement is still adhered to by socialsts everywhere, Mallard included, and his action was only a matter of time in its enforcement. It is evidently a reflection of the man and his ethics and principles.

That the SLG and her cohorts didn’t oppose the prayer’s removal is also revealing, and I would suggest that is a reflection of their own belief systems.

Noticeably, none if the MSM have asked the SLG what she believes. Perhaos they should. I’m sure her reply would be enlightening…
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November 2, 2018 7:22pm
Morrissey

Even if that lousy cartoonist had the ability to draw better than a six year old child, this would still be about as sharp as a blob of fresh putty.

FAIL.
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