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krazykiwi

This Wednesday it will have been 8 months since a man is alleged to have sexually assaulted two young men and two young woman at a Labour Party Youth camp. I have some questions.

1. To Megan Woods; We’re grateful that you learned of these events ‘while scrolling through your Facebook feed’ on 4th March. You presumably asked your son about what went on at the camp as he was an attendee. What did he say? Oh also, perhaps you could let us know why Facebook profile has vanished. Thanks.

2. To Jacinda Ardern; This happened on your watch. Yet you’ve done nothing, other than signal delays and make excuses. Can you categorically assure us that none of the victims were in any way pressured to retract, or to not lay complaints? If not, why not? It’s been 8 months Prime Minister. Totally unacceptable, more so from someone who pontificates endlessly about never lying, about transparency, fairness, and justice. When will the police’s investigation be complete? When will justice be done?

3. To Mike Bush; Can you categorically assure us that the relationship between the alleged offender and Labour-party officials and/or MPs has had zero bearing on the speed, nor the scope, nor the thoroughness of NZ Police’s investigation? It’s been 8 months. Why has your team not completed the investigation, and either brought charges or dropped the case?

This whole matter has both the odor and the transparency of an effluent pond. Despite us coming to expect ineffectual leadership and coverups from our shambolic government, these victims deserve better.
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October 8, 2018 8:00am
- cmm
  
  For those who wanted to give kk an extra uptick, put them here.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:06am
  - KiWombat
    
    Well done kk et al !
    
    64 in the first hour puts you well on track to absolutely smash the uptick record for the day, and for a very worthy piece too !
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:04am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Thanks. This issue pisses me off in a couple of ways. Firstly, there is the outright hypocrisy of claimed transparency, then this cover-up.
      Second, For a couple of decades now, and across different governments, I’ve had a sinking feeling that our elected leaders are interfering with enforcement practices where their interests are at stake. It’s the beginning of corruption of the type that we want to stamp out before it’s accepted as ‘routine’
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:05am
      - KiWombat
        
        Sparklers and fireworks on the ready !
        
        At 10.30 kk’s post has equalled the record for his excellent piece above.
        
        HEARTY CONGRATULATIONS !
        
        I have no doubt that as the day marches on we will see that figure continue to grow and completely obliterate that number. Such a shame that there appears to be a single dissenter, perhaps his amorous advances to his goat were rejected thismorning !
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:36am
      - gump
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        @krazykiwi
        
        By political interference do you mean cases like Bradley Ambrose? It’s pretty apparent that the Police investigation into the teapot tapes was entirely political and intended to intimidate
        
        People may have forgotten this, but after the teapot tapes affair was concluded Bradley Abrose sued John Key for defamation. Who do you think won?
        
        Ambrose received a confidential settlement from John Key and an official apology.
        
        https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australasia/article/1928202/new-zealand-premier-settles-defamation-case-journalist
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:44am
  - Biscuit
    
    Brilliant idea, cmm!
    
    I’d give you one of these two spare Rocky Road Mallowpuffs I have sitting before me but :: hasty swallow :: there’s only one left now.
    
    :: More hasty swallowing ::
    
    O darn, eh?
    
    But the THOUGHT was there!
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:37am
    - pdm
      
      Bloody guts Biscuit!!
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:09am
- Inandout
  
  We are almost certain whose son it was.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:08am
  - MCos
    
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    What do you mean ‘we’?
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:13am
    - Inandout
      
      Sorry Mcos, I meant those with intelligence. The delay speaks volumes.
      
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      October 8, 2018 8:16am
      - MCos
        
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        So let’s cut to the chase for those of us not included in your faux intelligentsia.
        
        Who are they?
        
        Or is this just another malicious whispering campaign?
        
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        October 8, 2018 8:47am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Don’t be stupid Mcos, as if anyone should risk committing defamation!
        
        KK’s questions are valid. Your demand is not.
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:17am
      - alwyn
        
        @Mcos
        “Or is this just another malicious whispering campaign?”
        So you mean it is just like the b*s your mate Winston comes out with when he threatens to name the leaker of Bridges’ expenses?
        When is he going to tell us? Or is he just a drunken old liar who makes up his fairy stories?
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:48am
  - holysheet
    
    How wood you know?
    Wood she admit it?
    I woodn’t put money on the outcome being anything but a blackwash.
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:18am
  - gump
    
    How can you be “almost” certain?
    
    You’re either certain about something or you are not. The word does not permit degrees of inbetween.
    
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    October 8, 2018 12:40pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  The court case this coming March should be very interesting.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:38am
  - KevOB
    
    There will a further adjournment while..
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:21am
    - skyblue
      
      the marriage of the century takes place.
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:21am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      There are possums in the roof of government house.
      We don’t have squirrels in New Zealand.
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:52am
      - sooty
        
        Cindy might be pregnant again?
        
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        October 8, 2018 12:07pm
      - sooty
        
        Helen Clark’s state funeral?
        Will she take one for the team?
        
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        October 8, 2018 12:08pm
      - Paulus
        
        Usually where you get possums in a house you get rats too !
        Appropriate.
        
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        October 8, 2018 1:28pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Just one issue with what you write kk – a man has been charged with four counts of indecent assault, has pleaded not guilty, and will face trial in the Auckland District Court in March 2019. So on that level at least, the Police have done their job.
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:03am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That’s great to know KS. I’d obviously missed that. Well done NZ Police!
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:15am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Here you go – https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/365685/man-charged-over-labour-camp-assaults-to-keep-suppression
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:08am
  - calendar girl
    
    Yes, there have been charges and a remand. But why is the remand period quite so long – with the accused able to live out in the wider community for about a year with his name suppressed.
    
    By the time this matter comes to full trial, how many of young Labour Camp victims’ memories will have faded in relation to some factual details and circumstances of their physical surroundings at relevant times? If defence counsel is able to highlight inconsistent factual details in the youngsters’ testimony, the well-connected accused my be able to avoid personal identification that is beyond reasonable doubt.
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:26am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes cg, that thought has occurred to me. Testimonial evidence is subject to entropy, so the length of time between charges and trial almost certainly favours the accused. Who decided that March 2019 was a suitable trial date? Did the PM or any government official lobby – however subtly – for a distant trial date?
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:20am
      - sooty
        
        The other thing has that been going on in other camps and events?
        
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        October 8, 2018 12:18pm
  - Liberty
    
    If a Bro without connections. Pleaded not guilty to some hanky panky.
    Would his case be delayed until March 2019 ?
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:32am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      More than likely. A six month delay for a defended hearing is quite normal.
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:09am
      - calendar girl
        
        March 2019 is 13 months after the alleged sexual assaults, and some 8 months after the accused’s Court appearance from which he was remanded.
        
        The distance being put between the alleged offences and a full trial is especially worrying when so much of the prosecution case is going to rely upon the memories of young (alleged) victims. Some of the tactics likely to be used by defence counsel are not difficult to foresee.
        
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        October 8, 2018 1:09pm
  - Niz
    
    Interesting. Don’t we have large numbers of people demanding that we just _believe_ sexual assault accusers? No actual evidence required, just believe them. Aren’t they generally of the same political persuasion as the (alleged) offender in this case?
    
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    October 8, 2018 11:02am
    - Paulus
      
      What about the under age drinking that appear to have been forgotten.
      Why have we not heard of the prosecution ?
      Who supplied the drink ?
      Must have passed me by.
      
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      October 8, 2018 1:31pm
      - Niz
        
        If we start hearing from people that we should _believe_ their sexual assault claims, even though there’s zero corroborating evidence, we should point them to this case and say “OK, hang him high”. They might then think a presumption of innocence isn’t so bad after all.
        
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        October 8, 2018 2:08pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Hard to gather info on this – the google machine has been scrubbed
    
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    October 8, 2018 12:23pm
- Woz
  
  Can somebody clear up a small matter for me – does Megan Woods actually have a son, or not?
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:06am
  - skyblue
    
    I believe it is 2.
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:33am
    - Woz
      
      Why would somebody downtick a reasonable question like that, skyblue? Or your answer? I suspect one of the site’s mechanical downtick bots, like stephieboy, or muttonbird.
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:18am
VicParking

Congratulation to David and the team for getting the date correct.
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October 8, 2018 8:01am
igm

Seems like a similar cover-up to the ginga. Also what about the benefit fraudster . . . what is happening?
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October 8, 2018 8:02am
- GazzaW
  
  The benefit fraudster would have been well and truly covered off as an unwritten condition of the coalition deal.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:34am
  - igm
    
    GW: If that is correct, we have a right to know. Maybe Garner or Campbell will inform us of this injustice!
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:42am
    - waikatogirl
      
      The answers to all your questions are in the 35 page Secret Addendum which is not for the voter to see. The only ones who have copies are Cindy and Winnie and stamped FOR YOUR EYES ONLY.
      Most transparent government ever. My arse! ?
      
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      October 8, 2018 8:51am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        LOL, somehow your James Bond line and final sentence are hilarious together…
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:19am
      - waikatogirl
        
        The villains are Winston and Cindy who have succeeded in taking the seat of power. If only NZ had a James Bond… ?
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:37am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        James Bond would be cultural appropriation.
        
        We would have Wiremu Tefattyfingers with a fucking ginormous bone carving around his neck who would blend in with any WINZ queue available.
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:20am
- Viking2
  
  The fraudster has gone into art. Big piece in the paper on the weekend.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:10am
  - PhilP
    
    The Fraudster is still on the public tit with our money paying for her art course.
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:16am
    - igm
      
      There should be a pile of Rembrandts going cheap. Maybe she could get UN Clark to sign them.
      
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      October 8, 2018 7:21pm
- Biscuit
  
  igm, re the ginga, I often wonder what happened to the young fleeing lad that was involved.
  
  He was, at the time, a member of a group for Young Labourites (I forget it’s proper title).
  
  Did the experience ‘put him off’ future dealings with that ratbag party?
  
  Is he ‘okay’ now?
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:41am
  - igm
    
    There was also another upheaval before this when a young man was attacked during a Labour social function at Parliament . . . this was attended by Clark, Cullen, et al, and was swept under the carpet.
    
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    October 8, 2018 1:21pm
oldpark

First out of the blocks for “mental awareness” week ,which starts today. Yes the Far Left Lunatic Green Party. How appropiate.
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October 8, 2018 8:03am
- Chris R
  
  One of the leading contributors to the emotional anguish of NZ’ers must be the absurd carrying-on of the Coalition of Losers so it is appropriate for one of its “leading lights” to promote awareness of mental health.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  I thought it was week 2 of the school holidays.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:09am
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps oldpark she might be second after this piece earlier: “Ms Thornton is the director of short film Dear Suicidal Me, which has been viewed over 80 million times online.
  The film involves people, who had previously attempted suicide, reading their suicide notes.
  “I got four people to read their suicide notes from when they had tried to take their life and then I got everyone to write a letter called ‘Dear Suicidal Me’, which was so hope-filled.”
  After 14 suicide attempts and a long battle with mental illness, 23-year-old film director Jazz Thornton co-founded advocacy group Voices of Hope to help others going through similar struggles.” AFTER 14 suicide attempts?? We have to wonder if there is anything this poor petal can do well?
  It is also funny that the little Gang Green member has had her own mental health issues but has been gathering her “newest” date from numerous campus visits. What next ” Suicide Failures Anonymous”? My name is Chloe and I am a failure.
  We must question how there has been such a massive increase in so many young people who have developed mental health issues? They have never had it so good yet is seems to have reached almost epidemic levels. Hurty feelings and an absence of “likes” on social media might only mean they are stupid and mad at the world but otherwise functional. Yes mental health issues have become more of a problem but best not hold expectations too high for help from the COL.
  
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  October 8, 2018 3:23pm
  - RF
    
    She is just a school girl in a women’s world.
    
    Knows nothing..
    
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    October 8, 2018 6:43pm
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

‘What caliber of recruit can the *NZ Army* expect to attract in the future?’

(I have it on good authority this is of major concern in Defense circles……..as I’m sure it will be to our *Police Force* as well)
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October 8, 2018 8:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  I think as long as NZDF and Police provide ‘safe spaces’, gender-neutral facilities, and lots of hugs we should be fine having them defend our country, and our streets.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:13am
  - cmm
    
    Haven’t you heard? There’s a new Geneva Convention coming out next year:
    
    SOme of the new conditions being proposed:
    * Battle hours restricted so that breast feeding soldier mums can do their thing.
    * Battles limited to 10 hours, then a compulsory break for 14 hours, max 45 hours per week.
    * No artillery fire during nap time (2pm – 3pm).
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:31am
    - Niz
      
      The world is so screwy nowadays I’m not even sure if you’re joking.
      
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      October 8, 2018 8:36am
    - Komata
      
      Cmm
      
      What you propose has certain similarities with pre-gunpowder conflicts in Europe and the Middle East…
      
      The wheel turned full circle perhaps?
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:20am
    - logan0312
      
      The European NATO countries have been observing these rules for decades. Its nice to know we will all have the benefit of their enlightened approach in the future.
      Anything that improves warfare and makes it more commonplace and civilised is to be admired.
      
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      October 8, 2018 2:41pm
  - Longknives
    
    Come now- Those Police ‘Hip Hop’ Dancing videos are just hilarious aren’t they?
    No matter that all the experienced, grizzled veterans- the ones you want on your side when someone is shooting at you, or want running things at a nasty homicide- are being phased out of NZ Police in the interests of ‘Diversity’. (i:e White Men no longer welcome)
    I’m sure those spotty teenagers they are recruiting, who have ‘sick’ dance moves and throw Gangsta hand signals in their Graduation photos, will be just as cool under pressure…
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:57am
    - SaltyCroc
      
      Couldn’t agree more LK – as society gets scarier and meth takes over our crims and turns ordinary people into evil scum – we have a Police force that is becoming ever less experienced, is stretched beyond means, and is apparently only focused on attracting people on the basis of how they ‘fit in’ to society, rather than what level of expertise and skill they might bring to the Police. After all, when the proverbial hits the fan, who are we going to turn to? – yep, hip hop dancing and trendiness will help a lot!!
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:49am
  - Harkman
    
    I saw three cop chicks in Holden yesterday, quite good looking. Might have been off to earn some supplementary income.
    
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    October 8, 2018 11:04am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What is the function of an army? (To protect the nation state.)
  What then, if the nation state doesn’t want to exist? (Think Sweden)
  The army isn’t much use now, is it?
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:45am
  - alwyn
    
    Bob Jones had the right idea about the Military. In his 1984 campaign he argued that the New Zealand defence budget only needed to be the price of a phone call.
    When the invading forces landed on our shores we would simply ring up their Commander and announce “We surrender”.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:54am
    - Harkman
      
      Any chance we could get Sir Bob to run again?
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:06am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Followed by “and the Treaty is all yours”.
      
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      October 8, 2018 12:58pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right alwyn it was said while doing a stint or half National Service training in Waiouru the security gate were there to keep the regular force IN if war broke out. Even funnier was they did not have me on their list of expected arrives coming of the train so just stuck me in a barrack anyway. Returning to work after 6 weeks they asked “where have you been?” The Police came the day after you left to look for you. Talk about dysfunction junction apart from some great seasoned instructors the place was like a rest home. Lol
      
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      October 8, 2018 3:41pm
Fixit

Whoever types the SuperSeniors eNewsletter seems to have a missing key on their machine. The section From the Minister Tracey Martin contains Theres, Theyve, dont, Im and familys.
Is this Newspeak, ignorance or laziness? Who do we complain to? (To whom do we complain? I’m not an english scholar but words like Im I find insulting.)
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October 8, 2018 8:06am
- VicParking
  
  The same key that is missing from the Whanganui District Councils typewriter. (Queens Park instead of Queen’s Park)
  Fixit if you remove your denture cement you will pronounce those works correctly and also water your pot plants at the same time.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:12am
  - MCos
    
    I looked at Whanganui’s official tourist site and they use both spellings on the same page.
    
    Ask Inandout. He’s the most intelligent person around here.
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:54am
  - Fixit
    
    VP, that sounds like an ad hominem comment.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:04am
    - VicParking
      
      I was not undertaking a fallacious argumentative strategy to draw attention away from your argument I was undertaking ‘witty repartee‘
      Anyway:
      Criticising the MSD and WDC is like shooting rats in a barrel.
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:28am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The same key that is missing from the Whanganui District Councils typewriter.
    
    Surely you mean “the Whanganui District Council’s typewriter”.
    
    I usually refrain from being a critic of others’ grammar, because I almost inevitably err myself in doing so. 😀
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:07am
    - VicParking
      
      ‘Err myself’ ???
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:29am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I err frequently. It’s part of being human 😀
        
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        October 8, 2018 11:10am
      - VicParking
        
        Human, I though you were a Troll
        
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        October 8, 2018 2:31pm
- Fletch
  
  Could be the same person who works at Kelly Tarlton’s 😛
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12134192
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:42am
- Biscuit
  
  Yep, Fixit, sloppiness in written English is an abomination up with which I will not put!
  
  Are these folk not aware of things like ‘Spellchecker’? and ‘Grammarly’?
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:44am
- Dave Stringer
  
  The loss of apostrophe, quotation marks and comma is to be mourned deeply. Without them the following sentence has no meaning.
  
  Jock,where Paddy had had had had had had had had had had the examiners approval
  
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  October 8, 2018 11:20am
- ex-golfer
  
  Interesting.
  The version I’ve got in my inbox has all the correct punctuation – with apostrophes correctly in place etc.
  Are you downloading the newsletter or reading it within your browser?
  
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  October 8, 2018 1:35pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Here is a direct cut & paste from the e-newsletter I received – it seems all in order to me?:
    ——————–
    My last few columns have touched on a key piece of work that we’re in the middle of – creating a new strategy to support seniors to live well.
    
    The first phase of the work, finding out what people think and want, is finished.
    
    There’s been good interest and engagement with around 470 submissions from individuals and groups.
    
    Some of the early themes from the submissions are that people want sufficient income to have a good life, they want good health and to keep connections with the people that matter to them. They’ve also said they want to be treated with respect, work if they wish and want it recognised that the older population are diverse. It’s certainly true that not everyone over 65, or 85, is the same or wants the same things.
    
    I don’t think any of those things are a surprise. The challenge is going to be what areas to focus on and what, as a country and government, we do to address the gaps and keep encouraging opportunities.
    
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    October 8, 2018 1:40pm
    - Fixit
      
      Ex-golfer. Thank you for making me investigate further. Copy and paste does indeed put the apostrophes back in. Perhaps a computer buff could explain why the seniors newsletter is the only one to hide the apostrophes in my browser.
      
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      October 8, 2018 3:22pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        It will all come down to individual browsers.
        They probably send that newsletter out using a programme like MailChimp – and with over 720,000 people receiving NZ Super not everyone will be running the same software/email programmes on their PCs.
        You could always unsubscribe/resubscribe to see if that fixes it for the next edition. Or if the content is not interesting enough just unsubscribe completely!
        
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        October 8, 2018 5:48pm
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps Fixit your a relatively new recipient as this channel of propaganda has only become activated with the COL as the Department has gone behind another wall. Too much garbage to swallow which seems to get bigger with every new edition to say less. It is not just keyboard keys that are missing.
  
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  October 8, 2018 3:47pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Incorrect. I got this newsletter on a regular basis when Maggie Barry was Minister for Seniors (ie, the previous Government). She also used it as a personal promotional tool.
    
    There is an “unsubscribe” option if you don’t want to receive it anymore..
    
    Alternatively email the Office for Seniors with your complaint. Their contact details are here:
    http://www.superseniors.msd.govt.nz/about-superseniors/about-this-site/index.html#Contactus0002
    
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    October 8, 2018 5:53pm
Woz

Has anybody got ANY idea what Joel Maxwell is raving on about this morning?

I notice that Stuff hasn’t opened the column for comments.
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October 8, 2018 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  They are late opening in the hope people will buy papers.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:10am
- Niz
  
  I assumed that alcohol was involved.
  “People don’t become racist. Most start off that way”.
  Seriously? Isn’t it actually the complete opposite of that?
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:14am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Indeed. Damon Rusden’s piece in the Herald on the same subject is far better. I was astonished to see at the end that he’s a Green. Maxwell is a good writer but that can only go so far towards obscuring the fact that he’s completely failing to make anything resembling a coherent argument.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:16am
  - Woz
    
    No, he’s not a good writer. He coughs up lots of faux-pretentious rambling word salad, shot through with cliches (such as the monkeys and typewriters one) and bile. But sense, structure, argument, coherence and narrative are not his strong points. I agree entirely with your last point, mind.
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:50am
    - Jack5
      
      Agreed, Woz. Maxwell is an appalling writer. he gushes rather than writes.
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:51am
- big bruv
  
  Is Maxwell a Murri or does he have the worst recorded case of guilty white syndrome since Rachel Dolezal?
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:24am
  - Inandout
    
    He is a Murri and for years was working for giveaway local rags.
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:43am
    - Woz
      
      Let’s get it right. Like most crusading Maori Justice Warriors he has barely been touched by the tar brush, but he’s a whole lot of Rachel Dolezal.
      
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      October 8, 2018 8:53am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Be fair, that’s how the Princess got her start, working with the local free press, and a scoop of chips
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:24am
- Longknives
  
  I haven’t read it but I will hazard a guess he is ranting about how much he detests ‘Pakeha’?
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:42am
  - sooty
    
    Must hate it when he looks in the mirror!
    
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    October 8, 2018 12:29pm
- Philview
  
  I assume the media are trying to put some distance between Arden/Labour and the NZ First values test.
  They have isolated the MP who proposed the idea and are attacking him so that the man in the street doesn’t get confused. I have left a few comments on Stuff referring to the Labour led Coalition values tests which seems to really wind up Labour supporters.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:08am
holysheet

Winston goes to a therapist because he’s worried about people not liking him.
The therapist asks him to talk about himself, what he believes, his past actions.
When he’s done, she looks at him and says:
“Quite frankly, Mr. Peters, in all my years in practice I have never met a more repulsive, vile, profoundly ignorant narcissistic megalomaniac than you!”
He pauses for a moment, then lifts his eyes and says to her:
“Are you hitting on me?”
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October 8, 2018 8:12am
Inandout

Garner and the Prof Pacman from Otago tried their hardest to ridicule Trump and Kavanaugh. They said that this is ‘tearing the US apart’. No guys, it is tearing the Democrats apart.
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October 8, 2018 8:13am
- VicParking
  
  Once again Red Radio ran out Simon Marks to give his left wing view on American politics. “Thousands of protesters”? Maybe a left hundred paid ‘Mad cat ladies’
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:18am
  - holysheet
    
    Simon who?
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:20am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well Simon is a easy target and it keeps Winston happy for them not to hold the Coalition to account for their corrupt policies. Between Jacinda and Winston it is a race to who can cover up their inept practices of selecting poor choices to take senior positions in the Public Service, whether it be in our Police Force , Health or Communications.
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:58am
  - Philview
    
    The idea of Trump ‘tearing the US apart” neglects the fact that he is standing up to an extreme view point used to getting its way. We all know Trump has many faults but the NZ media coverage has been bizarre. Trump has been frequently compared to Hitler. We now have the constant “Handmaiden” references. “It has come true” they say. I have only watched a couple of episodes but could see no connection whatsoever.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:27am
    - Paulus
      
      It must all be correct as the Washington Post says so !
      
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      October 8, 2018 1:36pm
- igm
  
  Donald has lefty scum on the backfoot well and truly!
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:21am
- oldpark
  
  Think again hypocrite Garner should keep his mouth well and truly shut. Time someone asked him for please explain what the fugh is the story or saga on what went on with the florist shop employee in Thorndon.Nuff said.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:45am
- Philview
  
  Prof Patman’s insights seem to be very politically biased so bothers me that he is teaching students who may think they are being presented with fact.
  He sprouts standard left wing media bullshit about right wing voters such as “They believed all the lies” “They were manipulated by the Russians”. I sometimes suspect that he gets a first year student to write his articles as the attention span seems to cover the few weeks running into an election campaign rather than the build up of issues over many years.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:52am
- howitis
  
  TV3/Mediaworks is 100% owned from the USA.
  By the naughty capitalist Oaktree Capital Management, an American global asset management firm.
  
  It was founded in 1995 and the three prominent founders are :
  -Howard Marks was born in 1946 and raised in Queens, New York.[7] Although his family was ethnically Jewish, he was raised as a Christian Scientist.
  -Steven Kaplan was born to a Jewish family.
  -Bruce A. Karsh was born in 1955 to a Jewish family.
  
  Oaktree has USD100 billion in funds.
  
  Nonetheless the NZ taxpayer subsidises TV3 to the tune of NZD20 million a year or $400,000 a week.
  I wonder if the cat lady, Amanda of Gisborne, knows any of this.
  Probably not.
  
  Garner does not understand arithma arithme oh y’know numbers n stuff so he will never get it.
  
  Perhaps Oaktree got the memo from PriNZess Jacinda that capitalism is a ‘blatant failure’ which is why they need this subsidy. 🙂
  
  TV3 loses money and is propped up by the Radio part of Mediaworks and $20 mill a year from the nice taxpayer to make 7 Days; Westside; Patrick Gower shows etc
  
  This Patman dude from Otago school of troughers and couch burners is clearly against Brexit and Trump as his twittering clearly shows.
  True to form, this Otago trougher is anti democracy.
  https://twitter.com/robert_patman?lang=en
  Enter this rabbit hole at your own peril.
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:47am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes it needs to stop, let them go broke. Then privatize TVNZ.
    
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    October 8, 2018 11:09am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    -Howard Marks was born in 1946 and raised in Queens, New York.[7] Although his family was ethnically Jewish, he was raised as a Christian Scientist.
    -Steven Kaplan was born to a Jewish family.
    -Bruce A. Karsh was born in 1955 to a Jewish family.
    
    Interesting isn’t it Howitis when one dares to look down the rabbit hole.…….
    
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    October 9, 2018 7:42am
secondcumming

People that can *F – OFF* this week…..

Cyclists with ‘tribal’ tattoos (wankers)
Synthetic drug users (just leave them to it)
People who say “wow”
Countdown
Mainzeal Directors (useful idiots)
People with halitosis (…just don’t get in my face)
Gynecologists (perverts with a medical degree)
Chinese water bottlers
David Shearer

More to follow…….
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October 8, 2018 8:18am
- Woz
  
  Anybody with tattoos. Fixed it for you.
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:12am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Russell Crowe
  Russell Crowe
  Russell Crowe
  
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  October 8, 2018 11:58am
- secondcumming
  
  *BREAKING*
  
  Well. well, well….I hate to say “I told you so”, but anyone who thinks this isn’t all to do with *Countdown* banning Plastic Bags can think again.
  
  Watch for a lot more store closures, as they continue to inconvenience their customers and generally piss everybody off with their virtue signalling money-making bullshit !!
  
  https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1049071913044250626
  
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  October 8, 2018 1:01pm
  - calendar girl
    
    ….. and higher pricing than their main competitors, Pak ‘N Save
    
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    October 8, 2018 1:30pm
skyblue

Another day and yet again lefties want to lighten my wallet. ZB this am.
1. Chloe after more funds to help drug inflicted morons.
2. Windmill man asking for subsidies so they can supply expensive unreliable power.
3. Our rivers are rooted. More money required to turn them around.
Meanwhile Taxinda is looking closely at petrol prices.
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October 8, 2018 8:23am
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks skyblue we are all delighted that the Government’s answer to rapidly rising fuel prices is to “speed” up their process to find a way to control oil company margins. Meanwhile they along with their compliant Media party are giving us a lot of laughs with their various excuses “why” it is getting soooooo expensive at the pumps.
  
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  October 8, 2018 4:02pm
  - Niz
    
    I’m waiting for somebody to suggest the govt. creates “Kiwifuel” (TM), to compete with the fuel companies and provide us with reasonably priced fuel. I want to see the Greens’ reaction.
    
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    October 8, 2018 4:38pm
flipper

No person in middle US gives a shit about the views of Garner and his chosen hit men. TV3 would probably not even grace a small US town. It is NOT a credible news outlet. I do not waste my time viewing it …….
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October 8, 2018 8:28am
- Inandout
  
  For cornflake consumption time Garner is tolerable, as opposed to TV1 breakfast which does not help with food digestion. I await Mark’s return though.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:47am
  - DigNap15
    
    And lower pricing than their other opposition New World.
    I cant wait to go into Countdown this week with my single use plastic bags that I bought from Trademe!
    
    But they are all doing it, so we are screwed.
    And Ardern outlawed the bags in one of her presidential decrees.
    
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    October 8, 2018 2:56pm
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skyblue

The people who should be paying to clean up the rivers are the same Farmers who polluted them in the first place.
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October 8, 2018 8:31am
- James Stephenson
  
  Given that the dirtiest rivers in the country are those that run through urban areas, how do you feel about the rates rises that would be required to bring those waterways to the same “swimable” standard that is being demanded by the Greens?
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:41am
  - Viking2
    
    Did you seee that article yesterday about the river downstream of Hamilton. Drinkable above but infested with ecoli below. So not the farmersthen.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:15am
    - igm
      
      Viking: Those type of articles are usually suppressed from the multitudes.
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:22am
    - GazzaW
      
      That reminds me of a piece of graffiti from years ago in the NZ Road Services loo in Frankton.
      
      “Please flush the toilet. Huntly needs the water.”
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:48am
      - Inandout
        
        Was that graffiti just above ‘Leroy was here’?
        
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        October 8, 2018 12:24pm
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    A cattle beast produces 14 times as much effluent as a human being. We currently have 10 million beef and dairy cattle in New Zealand.
    
    Therefore our farmers are currently producing an effluent load which is equivalent to 140 million people.
    
    And you want to pretend that cities are the problem?
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:18am
    - igm
      
      Farmers are also subsidising the majority of benefits paid to left-wing scum who malign them . . . get the drift!
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:23am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      For whom are the cattle bred, Gump?
      
      Aren’t we all benefiting from NZ’s milk and meat?
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:33am
    - lilman
      
      Gump eat your breakfast, provided by farmers and shut the fuck up.
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:48am
      - igm
        
        Bet he is out drugging up on a benefit paid for out of farmers’ taxation.
        
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        October 8, 2018 1:24pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      And you want to pretend that cities are the problem?
      
      Who’s pretending? Facts are that the water quality in and around cities is much worse than in rural areas.
      
      If your statistic of the relative effluent load is correct, then we have conclusive data to back up the fact that farmers are doing a great job of managing that already.
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:04am
    - john1234
      
      However the population density of those cattle is far lower than that of humans in cities.
      Urban waterways are far more polluted that rural waterways.
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:49am
    - gravedodger
      
      Gump, the sort of moronic half arsed comment so prevalent in media circle jerks.
      Most, in fact a high proportion of that bovine excrement is delivered back onto the grazing pasture in many ways to be employed as fertilizer and never gets close to a waterway.
      
      Of course that inconvenient fact will never gain traction.
      Then there are the educated morons in Christchurch City grappling with the treated water in the Akaroa Harbour basin who are testing a system where such waste water will be pumped into the ground under pressure where it will eventually end up no one knows where.
      All to avoid it entering the Harbour, ha ha ha, meanwhile in a different world thousands visiting the Kaik will poop into an antiquated septic system and that shit that apparently does not stink will just wash around the shoreline north and south of The Marae until natural flushing dissipates it
      
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      October 8, 2018 1:00pm
    - Liberty
      
      Gump you are posting a load of Poo.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/96350175/data-shows-humans-not-cows-the-biggest-water-polluter
      
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      October 8, 2018 1:12pm
    - Viking2
      
      Nope the facts speak for themselves. The waikato river is polluted as it passes through the city.
      
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      October 8, 2018 8:30pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But James Stephenson even after a year they are only talking about some rule changes they have yet to figure out that will require amendments to the Resource act. As always indicating it will all change the instant they finally get their act sorted out with more fairy dust.
    It was National that eventually set ANY level of standard as well as setting a game plan even the most optimistic expert considered would take a decade to reverse. The modest targets set were open to review if progress was better than predicted but at least there WAS a starting point. The constant over simplification coming from the COL is one of the biggest illustrations of their sad levels of competence as well as their lack of work while in opposition for nine long years. This latest announcement is nothing more than another diversion from some very serious issues they are ducking.
    
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    October 8, 2018 4:24pm
- holysheet
  
  And the same applies to the stinking open sewers flowing from our cities into the harbours.
  User pays? or in this case polluter pays.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:41am
  - James Stephenson
    
    What we have here is a classic case of “SEPS”: Sombody Else’s Problem Syndrome.
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:51am
Niz

Article about Meridian removing prompt payment discounts.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12138519
“We know that roughly one in four people miss their payment date from time to time”
He can expect that to rise now.
People won’t be paying any more? Does he think we were born yesterday?
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October 8, 2018 8:31am
- igm
  
  Another example of those who work and support themselves being required to subsidise lazy, useless, good-for-nothing leeches. We are now ex-Meridian customers.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:35am
- Philview
  
  I use Meridian. The bill flows through to an amount that then has a discount applied. I expect the discount to still be there going forward but not time bound. Any attempt to make the discount disappear will see quite a few customers heading out the door.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:38am
  - igm
    
    We already have . . . and there will be many more!
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:44am
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

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Salaam Kiwibloggers

May Allah, the Creator, the Compassionate, bless you with goodness today.
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October 8, 2018 8:32am
- I've been to Mecca and you have not!
  
  What is the difference between BHP, Shell Oil, Exxon Mobil and The Green Party of Aotearoa?
  
  Absolutely nothing.
  
  Their united goal is to fleece the motorists!
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:35am
  - backster
    
    You have omitted the little woman who doesn’t understand the GDP thingy.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:16am
  - Komata
    
    I’ve been etc. etc.
    
    Umm, haven’t you left out Saudi, Kuwauit, the UAE et al from your list?
    
    They’re certainly not in it for the lurv…
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:34am
- Swifty
  
  Just imagine if it was Muslims who settled NZ.
  
  What a shithole it would be.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:50am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Swifty , most of the 50,000 or so have settled here. No “shithole” in Mt Roskill ” stan”too.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:30am
    - Swifty
      
      I question your judgement on this matter.
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:49am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        “I question your judgement on this matter.”
        and
        I question his judgement full bloody stop.
        
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        October 8, 2018 2:14pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Having spent time in a couple of North African Islamic shit holes, we would have all of the worst features but without the climate. And not having any beer would make it truely unbearable. But I can’t limagine how it would be for our chattels though.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:55am
- Im Right
  
  ‘The Compassionate’…heehee, really?, why is there no compassion for gays or indeed anyone leaving ‘the religion of peace’?, where for both items, amongst many, I believe the outcome is death, how compassionate!
  
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  October 8, 2018 11:14am
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Was having sex with a friends wife last night, her phone rang. I could tell straight away it was her husband so I quickly started to get dressed.

She told me not to worry. He was out having a few drinks with me.
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October 8, 2018 8:40am
- holysheet
  
  Has Jethro flown the coop at last?
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:45am
igm

So Fairfax now have a Muslim Hub for fakeugees (this will really increase readership and advertising); they have an article on Iranian leader telling women if they don’t wear digusting, ridiculous Islam regalia, they will be sexually assaulted; Turkey killing a Washington Post journo. They obviously have lost control of all marketing strategies.
Thank God the West has Donald gaining further popularity, with vile and putrid lefties being exposed for what they are. Hope NZ start waking up to the deadbeat losers we have had foisted on us by Toxic Gnome.
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October 8, 2018 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
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  igm, oink, oink… Snout in the sloppy trough of hate!
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:18am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    So you’re all for women being forced to wear the hijab, Stuffitboy?
    
    I’d rather support women who want freedom. There’s a whole movement in Iran, find them on Twitter, called ‘My Stealthy Freedom’.
    
    Why, for once, can’t you take the side of equal rights for women, you nasty misogynist?
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:41am
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      Classic Liberal, always have unlike you!
      
      http://aldianews.com/articles/politics/national/it-increasingly-difficult-overlook-trumps-misogyny/54095
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:43am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      ‘Unlike me’? You know nothing about me. I have always supported equal rights before the law.
      
      You can’t for one moment claim that sharia law supports that concept.
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:59am
      - Swifty
        
        “Unlike you.”
        
        It’s one of his stock phrases CL.
        
        It’s purely to engage you. He loves the attention.
        
        Don’t try to debate him. He never concedes when he’s wrong. It’s pointless.
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:33am
    - sooty
      
      Come on stupid boy surely you can do better!
      
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      October 8, 2018 12:37pm
  - Komata
    
    SB
    
    Pigs?
    
    No doubt because you show that you are acquainted with such creatures the local imam will be visiting you shortly…
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:36am
- Inandout
  
  In the UK they tend to be appalling residents, the men walking around in badly fitting pyjamas and cone hats and the women in black tents. The suburbs they nest in are soon overrun and the other residents are eventually pushed out. A complete arsehole of a religion/cult.
  
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  October 8, 2018 12:31pm
Captain Mainwaring

So some Westie was killed over the weekend when his speeding car went out of control and hit a tree on Bruce McLaren Drive, Henderson.
Maybe they shouldn’t have named a street after a famous racing driver. The local bogans might try and emulate him.
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October 8, 2018 8:47am
- waikatogirl
  
  I do hope the tree survived? ?
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:00am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    It better have, otherwise think of all the carbon offsets wasted by all the response vehicles that had to go to the scene!
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:17am
Swifty

Such a shame that the wonderful Persian people have to suffer the ravings and ramblings, and the oppression, of these bearded oafs who routinely lie to and mislead their own people:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/107669638/ayatollahs-solution-to-sexual-harassment-and-assault-is-to-wear-a-hijab

Islam is the solution for nothing. It is, at worst, a totalitarian political movement, based on lies, which is used by men to control and dominate others.

Islam is the slowest kid in the class.
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October 8, 2018 8:58am
- Inandout
  
  So true swifty, and Islam is the reason we will likely never have a female UN Sec. General.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:11am
- stephieboy
  
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  swiftly and Inandout,,
  
  “Islam is the slowest kid in the class.”??
  
  Tapping into yet another rich vein of irony!
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:14am
  - Swifty
    
    What are you on about now Stiffy?
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:16am
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      Swifty, your not the sharpest knife in the draw, now are you?
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:20am
      - igm
        
        Notice how you slimey Islamists have a penchant for knives.
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:27am
      - stephieboy
        
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        igm, go and visit your Doctor!
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:30am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Lol, Stuffit, you can’t even spell drawer! Very smart.
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:43am
      - Swifty
        
        You’re right, I’m not – there are plenty of knives sharper than me.
        
        But thank heavens I’m not as blunt as you. At least I can string a couple of sentences together.
        
        Oh, and I can spell too.
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:47am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Shall we try this then ?,
        
        “..not the sharpest knife in the kitchen
        Another way to tell somebody is not the brightest person in attendance or not the sharpest tool in the shed.
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:49am
      - john1234
        
        stephieboy makes a butter knife look like a scalpel.
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:53am
      - Twinkletoes
        
        The word is actually ‘drawer’ – back to your ESOL class.
        
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        October 8, 2018 1:24pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Knife in the drawer???
        
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        October 8, 2018 1:42pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  I agree, many of the women under oppressive Islamic theocracies would love to be governed by Old White Men!
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:19am
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    Right of Way: Bet those women would like to have their young daughters safe from the vile male perverts that claim them for their pleasures . . . scum!
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:29am
    - stephieboy
      
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      igm , when did you decide to become a eunuch?
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Old white men, women, young, brown – whatever: many Iranian women just want equal rights and opportunities. The things that decent feminism always wanted.
    
    Not this weird misandry calling itself feminism these days that doesn’t accept that people do make different life choices.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:47am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right R as so many burka birds are advertising as potential brides for anybody without an ad blocker. All with only head cover leading us to wonder how ugly they must be to need the letterbox styled cover at a time when snail mail is dying.
    
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    October 8, 2018 4:36pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  I hear ya – even they’ve got an upside.
  No transwomen social issue bullshit.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:39am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Housing market succumbs to Newton’s third law: ‘what goes up, must come down’ – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-08/australian-housing-market-good-bad-and-ugly/10348856

Celebrated physicist, Isaac Newton, had a chequered career as a monetary mandarin and investor.

As Master of the Royal Mint, he helped reform England’s currency, the pound sterling, clamped down on counterfeiting and, in 1717, accidentally moved Britain to its first ever gold standard.

His record as an investor, however, wasn’t quite so illustrious.

Newton lost a fortune — around 20,000 pounds — in one of history’s most notorious market collapses, the South Sea Bubble, when the South Sea Company, primarily a slave trader, collapsed in 1720.

If only he’d remembered his early work as a physicist and applied his revolutionary theories on gravity to markets.

In an eerie parallel, Australian real estate, particularly in Sydney and Melbourne, now appears to be succumbing to Newton’s third law; that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

What goes up, must come down. … read more via hyperlink above
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October 8, 2018 9:14am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  The Voyager probe is still headed in the general direction of up, as a permanent middle finger to Newtons Third Law!
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:18am
- James Stephenson
  
  Newton’s third law is actually “Action and reaction are equal and opposite.”
  
  His law of Universal Gravitation is not one of his three laws and even combined with them does not make “What goes up…” any kind of law, otherwise nothing would get into space.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:25am
  - James Stephenson
    
    So now I’ve read the article and seen that the body of text actually states the law correctly but completely mis-represents it.
    
    It’s Newton’s third law that means things can go up and not come down. The “Action” of high-velocity combustion products exiting a rocket engine means there is a “Reaction” force which pushes the rocket upwards. HTH
    
    /Physics Teacher mode.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:34am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Yes, the huge Saturn Rocket for the Appollo moon landings was designed to do just that.
    
    Right of way.., what an ignorant and stupid post!
    
    Sigh!
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:35am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      You are living proof, stephie.
      Of the law
      For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
      You post and everyone down ticks you.
      Until the resulting net energy absorbs your post into oblivion.
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        Newton’s third law in action. Rockets travelling through space encompass all three of Newton’s laws of motion. When the engines fire and propel the rocket forward, it is the result of a reaction. … This causes a force in the opposite direction to push the rocket forward
        Equal & Opposite Reactions: Newton’s Third Law of Motion
        
        https://www.livescience.com/46561-newton-third-law.html
        
        DUH!
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:52am
      - stephieboy
        
        RW Capitalist”, Dawinism, survival of the smartest”
        
        LOL!
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:58am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        About a year ago on an Australian Broadcasting Corporation programme. Sir Ron Brieley had a few thoughts on asset prices gravity ! …
        
        30 years on, Lessons of the 1987 share market crash with former PM Paul Keating (and others) … ABC The Business 18 October 2017
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhiE_zXAxx8
        
        Ron Brierley – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Brierley
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        .
        Martin Northn of Digital Finance Analyticvs late last week …
        The Great Bond Sell – Off … Martin North of Digital Finance Analytics … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duv0peMNFWU
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        … and … from Zerohedge yesterday …
        
        The “VaR Shock” Is Back: Global Bonds Lose $880 Billion In One Week | Zero Hedge
        
        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-06/var-shock-back-global-bonds-lose-880-billion-one-week
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:13am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Hey stephie
        and yet in stage 2 Nuclear physics, I got 25/25 for this question in the exam
        Derive “The Rutherford Scattering formula.
        How’d you do?
        Here, I’ll help
        http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/rutsca.html
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8RLglkd1wI
        
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        October 8, 2018 2:27pm
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Apollo is only spelt with one P. The Saturn Rockets were designed to insert the Apollo capsule and lander in to Low Earth Orbit first, then boost beyond that to the moon. Voyager was launched by a Titan rocket.
      
      What a stupid and ignorant post!
      
      Sigh!
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:52am
      - stephieboy
        
        I repeat,
        Equal &; Opposite Reactions: Newton’s Third Law of Motion
        
        https://www.livescience.com/46561-newton-third-law.htm
        
        DUH! DUH!, again, again!
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:56am
      - James Stephenson
        
        Come on then stephie, show us how smart you are.
        
        https://www.nzqa.govt.nz/nqfdocs/ncea-resource/exams/2017/90940-exm-2017.pdf
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:12am
      - Jack5
        
        A roster change at Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.
        
        A shift in idiom with today’s rostered-on Stephie, and a little more aggression.
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:45am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        And wtf is “Dawinism”
        
        SIGH
        
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        October 8, 2018 12:03pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Shaun, it was my dyslexic digit, that stephie is making such a big deal about.
        Here stephie:
        DARWIN…….happy now?
        
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        October 8, 2018 2:29pm
- Ed Snack
  
  “What goes up must come down” is wrong, needs the rider “unless it exceeds escape velocity”.
  
  At least when applied to physical objects in a gravitational well…
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:44am
BeaB

Red Radio this morning had Guyon sternly grilling Simon about trivia of little interest to anyone so that we could be protected from any criticism of his darling and her government.
I expect tomorrow that the Pampered Princess with her flights, her nannies, her photographers and her expensively upgraded Premier House will be given her usual easy run with patsy questions and lots of warm chuckles.
In the meantime the media and cartoonists will intrepidly keep holding the Opposition to account!
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October 8, 2018 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
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  BeaB, clowns like you are doing the job quite nicely!
  
  Oink, oink…
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:41am
  - Swifty
    
    Speaking of clowns….
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:53am
  - Komata
    
    HERE IS AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!
    
    Stephieboy has learnt a NEW word!!
    
    It’s ‘OINK!!
    
    He’s already used it in multiples (‘Oink oink’) at least twice this morning so he’s practicing VERY hard to make sure he knows how to use it properly.
    
    Isn’t he just the Cleverest little Stephieboy around…????
    
    Stephie, we’re all just SOOOOOO proud of you for using a brand new word and increasing your vocabulary by all of four letters.
    
    Keep up the good work.
    
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:45am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Agreed but I believe that the Premier house upgrade was assessed during National’s tenure, but it would seem that they didn’t or couldn’t justify the expense at the time.
  Possums in the roof will be causing damage and extraordinary in the middle of Wellington, you would think, despite the fact that there is bush at the back of the property. People have been contracted to do the work previously but must be inept. It can only be a local population of possums, if they were eradicated it would surely be unlikely that more would traverse the traffic to take up residence.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:43am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Plans to have NZ pest free by 2050? Not much chance for the rest of NZ if they can’t eradicate pests from central Wellington, and particularly Premier House, the PM’s residence. Perhaps the pest removal company is not happy with labour’s new labour laws??
    LOL!
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:07am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Nothing a bit of 1080 wouldn’t fix.
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:53am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      At the risk of unintended poisoning.
      I suggest you fill up a sock with 1080 and beat the little bastards to death with it.
      
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      October 8, 2018 2:31pm
  - Paulus
    
    Rats !!!!
    
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    October 8, 2018 1:44pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Same on TV3 with the little fat one.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:50am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I know and he was talking about people saying mean things about him and how it affected his mental health.
    
    Totally self unaware, does he think that he is a gentleman for not grilling Jacinda, he is being inept and not doing his job, that I assume that he is getting well paid for.
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:24am
- Classic Liberal
  
  BB, it was painful to listen to and a total waste of Simon’s time and every listener’s time. It kept wishing he’d do a Winston and tell Guyon to stop harping on with the same question for about 5 minutes, which Simon had already answered several times (re Ross).
  
  It was a total waste of taxpayers’ valuable dollars. If we must pay for National Radio, it needs to be balanced and get on with interesting interviews.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:54am
  - srylands
    
    It is never going to be balanced. The last government had a chance to fix it. They chose not to.
    
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    October 8, 2018 10:59am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Because he didn’t want Simon to talk about petrol prices.
    Which, by the tone of the conversation, was the FALSE premise that Simon was brought onto the show for.
    This was an ambush piece.
    Simon should have answered with a pre written answer that had all the facts about increased petrol prices, that he wanted to say.
    No matter what the question or the subject of the question.
    
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    October 8, 2018 2:34pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Imagine if Simon refused to turn up, the conjecture, the slurs, the innuendo. Go forth and fight the good fight Simon.
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:48am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes, but *fight*! Yet tougher with Guyon’s painfully repetitive questioning: ‘I’ve answered that question, Guyon. Please move on to another topic.’
    
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    October 8, 2018 11:00am
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      He should consult Stefan on how to make Guyon look like an imbecile…
      
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      October 8, 2018 11:04am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Simon was a lot calmer than I would have been.
      
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      October 8, 2018 2:36pm
  - Paulus
    
    Surely it was all wrong for Simon, as of Maori descent, not to talk to Guyon in his new language, for which daily he is a pain in the arse.
    
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    October 8, 2018 1:46pm
waikatogirl

Michael Barnett of the Auckland Business group was told by the government to find funding for the new motorway to the Whangaparoa Peninsular, so he has. There are regularly 5km traffic jams on the existing road. Barnett has a Chinese roading firm lined up in a partnership agreement for them to fund and build a tolled motorway, and they will receive payment over a set number of years. The proposal is before the government. Will Twyford approve the public/private partnership to build the motorway the government has deferred for 20 years?
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October 8, 2018 9:51am
- srylands
  
  No
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:56am
- MCos
  
  I saw that in the news the other day. All the motorways around Bangkok are tolled and at least some of them are financed on the same bases. Seems to work there because of the large traffic volumes.
  The thing that I would be worried about would be something in the small print to guarantee a contribution from the taxpayer/ratepayer if the toll intake didn’t reach a certain level.
  
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  October 8, 2018 1:01pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The Chinese company is happy for payment to be over a longer period due to less traffic in NZ. As long as the concrete, etc are guaranteed to be up to NZ standards I can’t see a downside. P/PP’s are often used around the world to build infrastructure.
    
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    October 8, 2018 2:03pm
    - KevOB
      
      The Chinese like to acquire long term stakes. They ultimately get control.
      
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      October 8, 2018 7:40pm
- ex-golfer
  
  I struggle to think how Twyford would be interested given how many Chinese-sounding surnames would be involved in the deal!
  
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  October 8, 2018 1:44pm
- Piniwi
  
  But waikatogirl this could be the start of more “China cheque book diplomacy” they are using in the Pacific, South China seas and Africa. AKA “Chinese “debt trap” diplomacy. It’s nothing new, but a recent report by Harvard University researchers has resurrected long-held fears that China’s debt diplomacy poses a threat to Australian interests in the Pacific.” Fiji are getting to understand it has some drawbacks as well now. The age old story of following the money while also interesting how so many “projects” they are involved in have substantial cost increases as well as long completion delays. Not to mention “supplier” preferences written into their contracts. The main concern is the the COL might become so desperate that they get sucked in easier than most.
  
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  October 8, 2018 4:57pm
- KevOB
  
  What’s wrong with our own super funds financing it on the same terms?
  
  NZ money, NZ investment, NZ payout.
  
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  October 8, 2018 7:42pm
Jack5

I would like those who subscribe to a Stuff newspaper on behalf of those who read it free: thank you for bringing to us the weekly prose of the angry part-Maori, fulltime student of Maori language, “Jaundiced Joel” Maxwell.

A taste of Maxwell’s prose from today (he’s scribbling about “Kiwi values”):

“They lean on stats about racial difference, blood quantum, pseudo history, the civilised superiority of the Western heritage, but the only case they build is the one for their own hysteria. I’ll admit they sometimes carry a computer-like implacability – if that computer smells like granddad, and has the playful charm of a dot matrix printer performing a lullaby. Even HAL 9000 could carry a nice tune.”

It’s worth all of the money we internet-reading freeloaders pay to read it.
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October 8, 2018 10:28am
- lifesgood
  
  Wow, what a steaming great pile of gobbledy gook. The guy’s a raving lunatic.
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:39am
  - itstricky
    
    gobbledy gook
    
    I don’t know if I agree with him and I don’t like his writing style but I can certainly understand that paragraph. I don’t think its gobbledy gook.
    
    Jack, on the other hand, is probably just confused because there aren’t enough macrons in it for him.
    
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    October 8, 2018 12:05pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      After reading the column twice and that paragraph three times, I’m not certain I do understand it, except in a very general sense.
      
      The column, including this paragraph, is a rant with too many wordy and vague metaphors, but not enough concise precision; so, yes, it’s a lousy writing style if the aim is to inform and persuade rather than to let off steam, or if he expects impatient readers to return for more.
      
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      October 8, 2018 2:23pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        To be fair to Maxwell, I should have said that the first sentence’s meaning is clear, though disputable. However, the other two sentences confuse rather than clarify.
        
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        October 8, 2018 2:43pm
  - double d
    
    He is so impressed with his own ability to string a few words together – it doesn’t need to mean anything, it does reinforce his sense of moral superiority and greater intellect.
    He is an average writer and has nothing to say that interests me at all.
    
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    October 8, 2018 9:19pm
- Jack5
  
  Didn’t notice that the autopsy of the Maxwell garble in Stuff had begun higher in the thread. Reading from the bottom up. Sorry!
  
  But Maxwell’s columns are bloody awful. He’s spent months telling us how he’s learning Maori, and now he’s frothing about …. well about white folk and the West generally.
  
  As a part-Maori, Maxwell must be incredibly pissed off with the white side of his family.
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:55am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Typical ‘convert’. Often more extreme to prove their worth.
    
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    October 8, 2018 11:02am
  - Morrissey
    
    “Part”-Maori? He’s Maori.
    
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    October 8, 2018 11:41am
    - Jack5
      
      Ah yes, Morrissey. Maori. That’s why his name is the old Polynesian name, Joel Maxwell.
      
      You have adopted the old “one drop” racist rule of the Confederacy, Morrissey: one drop of non-white blood and you’re non-white.
      
      Have a look at the source I link to, which includes:
      
      ‘If it could be proven that you had even “one drop” of black blood. You were considered to be black no matter how white you looked.’
      
      https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/The-One-Drop-Rule-And-The-Creation-Of-Black-Identity
      
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      October 8, 2018 12:12pm
      - itstricky
        
        How would you like us to refer to you?
        
        Part-white? Part-European? Part-Asian? Part-Lithuanian? Part-conscious? Part-timer?
        
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        October 8, 2018 12:22pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ītstrīckȳ, you can call me all of the above, as long as you don’t mind me calling you a Leftist loon.
        
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        October 8, 2018 12:26pm
      - itstricky
        
        No need to be nasty Jack. The least you can do is let us all know what parts you are, so we can accurately refer to you, just as you have done for this chap Joel.
        
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        October 8, 2018 1:47pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ītstrīckȳ , your approach is consistent with the PC Left’s. That is: racism can be the province only of whites.
        
        If Joel Maxwell had written an article about a part-Maori, part-white taking a year off work to study his white heritage, the article wouldn’t even get printed. This would not be on the ground of racism, but on the ground of “so what”?
        
        If I, or another person on the Right, were to ask a poster here their race, as you have, you and other Leftists would be screaming “racism!” and reporting the post.
        
        Maxwell has written a series of articles about how, as a mixed race person, he is learning the language and culture of one of the races he is descended from. He has extended that to generally criticising white culture.
        
        That’s fine. We have free speech. But counter-views to Maxwell’s must also be acceptable.
        
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        October 8, 2018 2:09pm
      - itstricky
        
        I didn’t ask you for your take on the meaning of life, your stereotypical views on anyone that disagrees with you, your judgemental dismissal of people’s opinions based on what group they fall into, your opinions on freezing peaches or your critique of the ABs over the Boks. I asked you what we might refer to you as.
        
        Part-what? Surely this is an easy thing for you to come up with. You must know your heritage and you were slinging around “part-Maori” like no tomorrow just a little while ago.
        
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        October 8, 2018 2:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        Itstrychnine asks of me: “I asked you what we might refer to you as.”
        
        My pen name is on my posts. If you can’t read, get someone to read it for you.
        
        Then piss off back to the Standard where the other log lizards will keep you company.
        
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        October 8, 2018 4:59pm
      - itstricky
        
        Not reading anything into the fact that you’re quite happy to label someone else “part-X” to your heart’s content but you’re not willing to describe yourself as such?
        
        In fact, so much so that you’ve got a little hot under the collar and started getting uppity with me?
        
        You couldn’t possibly have been using it just as a snarky little derogatory, could you, Jack?
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:59pm
    - itstricky
      
      Jack has a general problem with Macrons, Maori and Mondays.
      
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      October 8, 2018 12:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Be consistent, Ītstrīckȳ: Mācrōns, Māori, and Mane.
        
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        October 8, 2018 12:23pm
      - double d
        
        Jack5 wins.
        
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        October 8, 2018 9:37pm
      - itstricky
        
        Wins a prize for being brave and getting over his fear of macrons?
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:01pm
Huevon

If Jacinda gets her arse card in 2020, can we expect similar scenes to the Kavanaugh hearing protests? Hordes of women driven absolutely and utterly mad, howling like lunatics.
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- lifesgood
  
  Oh, I can already see the tears of rage from Lizzie Marvelly and co. What fun it will be. Can’t wait.
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:40am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Hopefully they would leave the country in disgust (a forlorn hope I know). NZ would be a better place without them pontificating on how we should all live our lives.
    
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    October 8, 2018 1:42pm
    - double d
      
      They will all move to Canada – isn’t that what the A Lister’s do?
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:39pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Sadly, I think you might be right, but there well be indistinguishable men also.
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:51am
- igm
  
  You may be incorrect, as most decent and sane women I know detest her, even though one or two originally gave her top marks. She has made her bed, now let her lie in it . . . she is neither use nor ornament.
  
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  October 8, 2018 7:34pm
logan0312

The problem as I see it is pretty simple but is becoming clearer by the day, both here and elsewhere in the Western World. The left, in all its manifestations has abandoned any pretense of a common community with the more traditionally-viewed members of society who believe there are values (specifically the Judeo-Christian ethic) that are worth preserving. They want to overturn all of our traditional values and pursue this goal in a totally zero-sum manner. Truth, justice and righteousness have no real place in their vocabulary – they use the words but have no interest or real conception of what those words actually mean. Hence their abandonment of any semblance of due process in the Kavanaugh matter in the US as only one example. They want power and are prepared to lie and cheat and incite the mob to get it. We need to understand this – that there is a war going on. It may not have spilled over into overt violence but it is a war nonetheless. Politics has become not a process by which we might solve our problems in a conciliatory way of benefit to all, but merely war by other means. And understanding that we can give no quarter. They must be defeated (not by violence; I’m not advocating that at all) if civil society at any level is to be preserved. I cannot see any alternative; we must resist their encroachments against our common interests without compromise. Compromise to them is merely a sign that we are weak and only encourages even further encroachment against our freedoms.
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October 8, 2018 10:39am
- Rich Prick
  
  The whole Democrat circus, and their predictable tantrum at “losing” confirms to me that the mid-terms will be there for the Republicans taking. Middle America has no time for SJWs shouting and crying at the sky. That, and the economy going gangbusters and unemployment being at a 49 year low.
  
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  October 8, 2018 11:22am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I thought National was doing fine, so who knows why people thought that there was a need for change for change sake.
    
    Be careful what you wish for, I say.
    
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    October 8, 2018 11:54am
- KevOB
  
  The infection seems to be here too.
  
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  October 8, 2018 7:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Fijian language week.
Bula.
O kila na vosa vakaviti?
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October 8, 2018 11:12am
- Morrissey
  
  Bula vinaka, Maggie! क्या आप कुछ समय मेरे घर आना चाहेंगे?
  
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  October 8, 2018 11:40am
- KevOB
  
  Kill your nose the Fijian way?
  
  The COL’s circus is in town.
  The Cost Of Living is rising, rising…
  
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  October 8, 2018 7:31pm
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DUM BRITONS.
Exhibit 2: Chris Leslie

Not every Labour M.P. has the brains of Richard Crossman, the charisma of Harold Wilson, the rhetorical ability of Tony Benn, or the courage of Jeremy Corbyn. Damned for his “disloyalty and deceit”, this hopeless and hapless right winger can now seek solace in the arms of old Yenta Hodge.

Activists voted to pass the no-confidence motion on Friday night, citing his involvement in a plot to oust Jeremy Corbyn as leader and criticising what they said were his “repeated attempts … to undermine the leadership”.
….

The motion, brought by members of the Mapperley branch of Nottingham East, attacked the former shadow chancellor for his “disloyalty and deceit”.

They said this was “a severe impediment to Labour party electability” that was “incompatible” with him continuing as the Labour candidate for the constituency.

Louise Regan, the chairwoman of the Nottingham East Labour party, said: “We overwhelmingly passed a motion of no confidence in our MP Chris Leslie.” ….

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/29/labour-mp-chris-leslie-loses-confidence-vote-nottingham-east

DUM BRITONS is compiled by Hector Stoop, for Daisycutter Sports Inc.

Collect ALL the Dum Britons….
No. 1: Michael Gove
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October 8, 2018 11:33am
- Rich Prick
  
  You’re weird.
  
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  October 8, 2018 1:06pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    More than weird. Unhinged.
    
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    October 8, 2018 1:34pm
    - Morrissey
      
      You need to be on your game to contest what I’ve put up here, Cap’n. Name calling, which seems to be your only tactic, certainly doesn’t do it.
      
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      October 8, 2018 2:17pm
  - Morrissey
    
    No, “Rich Prick”, YOU are weird…
    
    http://i.imgur.com/wT4XtDj.gif
    
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    October 8, 2018 2:20pm
Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa

Comrades!
In accordance with the benevolent wishes of our Great and Glorious Dear Leader, and for the enjoyments of you scruffy lot, her adoring loyal subjects, I have been asked to poll the populous with regard to the recently added crossword.

Voteth thumb up if you care not for it.

Voteth thumb down if you have acquired a taste for Comrade Stringer.

#LetsDoThis
#OpenAndTransparent
#BreadAndCircuses
#Squirrel!

That is all Plebs, back to work.

if you wish to unsubscribe from these messages, reply to cindyskindy@nzdictator.co.nz with unsubscribe in the subject line.
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October 8, 2018 1:19pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Thumbs up/thumbs down –
  is the report button for “couldn’t give a rat’s?”
  
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  October 8, 2018 2:06pm
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Indeed Comrade!
    Just go over to the crossword post and report your heart out. The re-education units will be with you shortly.
    
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    October 8, 2018 2:15pm
- Morrissey
  
  You’re suffering from Jacinda Derangement Syndrome.
  
  You resent the fact that Jacinda is an international star, and extremely popular in this country—particularly with the young.
  
  If only we had that dull, unattractive, charisma-free rorter still in power, huh?
  
  Or this creep…
  
  http://i.imgur.com/wT4XtDj.gif
  
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  October 8, 2018 4:41pm
  - KevOB
    
    Taxinda star? She couldn’t serenade a frog in a frog pond.
    
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    October 8, 2018 7:29pm
Ross12

There are some horrible, sick people in the USA

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/426789/
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October 8, 2018 1:51pm
- Inandout
  
  Some of the fringe Democrats are truly unhinged and are frightening other Dems into leaving the Party.
  
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  October 8, 2018 2:11pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Ariel Dumans is a writer for the Stephen Colbert show, and has nearly 40,000 followers on Twitter.
  
  On Saturday Ariel posted this tweet following the Senate vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court of the United States.
  Ariel Dumas: “Whatever happens, I’m just glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh’s life.
  
  Ross, note that Ariel’s surname has different spelling in the by-line and on her twitter account.
  The twitter account is definitely incorrect, there should be two “S’s” at the end of Dumas.
  
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  October 8, 2018 2:12pm
  - Inandout
    
    Now we know why our princess opted for the Colbert show when she was swanning around New York.
    
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    October 8, 2018 2:35pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      It’s where dumasses hang out!
      
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      October 8, 2018 6:08pm
Inandout

Hauraki iwi got $3 million and several sites thrown in and should buy some petrol for the BMWs. Just when you thought the CoL was broke.
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October 8, 2018 2:33pm
DigNap15

Joel Maxwell is promoting separatism and racism himself with his pro Maori attitudes.
He should be trying to help Maori improve themselves in today’s Modern world.
Like Asian people have in the 60 year since WWII.
The Maoris have had 200 years of western civilisation
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October 8, 2018 3:00pm
- GoVege
  
  Not really Dignap.
  Take that daughter of Dame Whina Cooper who was asking for the right to eat kereru legally recently.
  Her mum was born in 1895 and Whina’s dad was born in the 1830’s.
  In other words her grandfather was born during the Musket Wars when thousands of Maori were murdered and enslaved or eaten by aggressive tribes invading their villages.
  Perhaps her grandfather even witnessed such terrible events as a young child.
  He would definitely have heard about it.
  Is it any wonder that many Maori are having trouble adapting to western civilization?
  
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  October 8, 2018 3:58pm
Rachael Membery

How prophetic is the ‘look left’.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/107663735/painting-wellington-street-with-pride
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October 8, 2018 3:02pm
DigNap15

Some new report out on GLoabal Warming today.
Saying its gettin desperate and ETS etc wont do the trick.

Lets hope they realise that is they want to stop incresased carbon in the world there is only one way.
That is to reduce the world population.
Starting with Africa, India, China, Indonesia and Brazil and every Arab country.
One child per woman fro those countries.
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October 8, 2018 3:08pm
- wiseowl
  
  IPCC is at it again.
  Trying to scare the hell out of everyone with predictions of doom and gloom.
  These people need to be taken to task.
  Maybe Trumpy will tell them where to stick their modelling .
  Joanne Nova will no doubt do a good job of demolishing the latest bs.
  
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  October 8, 2018 3:19pm
  - KevOB
    
    The Hadcrut database is not fit for purpose.
    http://joannenova.com.au/
    
    Seeing these are the people whose emails were revealed to be showing their manipulations 20 years ago why am not surprised?
    
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    October 8, 2018 7:26pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      All I can say is FUCKKKKKK. I knew some of the data was dodgy, but this basically completely and irrevocably destroys the whole myth once and for all. We don’t have a reliable data set to compare the modern day temperatures with. Of course, the lefty warmist zealots will not be interested. They have the TRUTH…..
      
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      October 8, 2018 8:07pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, we have had 200 years of industrialisation and carbon and coal etc.
    Yet sea levels have only risen 1mm in that time.
    
    Trump has already told them where to get off he pulled out of Paris Climate Accord.
    Australia is not too keen either.
    
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    October 8, 2018 7:57pm
- Niz
  
  I read one article just the other day where the climate expert thought it would be a great idea if we all went vegan. Many people would rather kill themselves. Maybe that’s what she was hoping for.
  
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  October 8, 2018 4:09pm
- Jules99
  
  Why don’t we look at the countries who have achieved negative population growth without murder or coercion. Those would be most countries in the West. How did they do it? By educating women and raising their aspirations, introducing healthcare, providing affordable energy for heating/cooking and improving living standards. So, if we can introduce those to the countries listed, surely population reduction would follow without the need for a killer disease. I suspect the UN is not interested in going down the route.
  
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  October 8, 2018 5:11pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Average IQ in high birth rate countries generally ranges between 70 and 90. Can’t be lifted by education or nutrition, and stupid people don’t exhibit much capacity for making good long term choices or delaying gratification. The shitholes are unfixable. They will procreate themselves to cataclysm.
    
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    October 8, 2018 6:50pm
    - DigNap15
      
      I just wish they would hurry up and do it.
      
      Its also tribalism that hold countries and women back. Eg the Taliban.
      
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      October 8, 2018 7:59pm
      - GoVege
        
        Male chauvinism is the worst offender, Dignap.
        The more kids the more status these idiots command.
        Regardless of whether they support them or play any role in their lives.
        
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        October 8, 2018 8:55pm
DigNap15

Labour (Megan Woods) wants to conduct an enquiry into Petrol Prices.
Why bother?
We all know that Brent Crude has gone up, the US dollar has gone up, the NZ dollar has gone down, and the COL has added lots of new tax.
Why don’t they just tell us in clear language
How much tax the collect and in what form, excise, surcharge, gst etc etc.
And where the money goes!
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October 8, 2018 3:13pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And why is the South Island paying the Auckland levy?
  
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  October 8, 2018 3:39pm
- Philview
  
  The comments under this article are nearly all pointing the finger at the Government.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107682661/government-will-rush-through-legislation-to-look-into-petrol-price-margins
  
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  October 8, 2018 4:32pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    If they can force privately owned fuel companies to open their books and justify their profit margins, perhaps they shouldn’t stop there.
    Next up they could look at the audiology, medical imaging, and optometry industries.
    Then they could make a list of other private companies the government want to stick their sticky mits all over.
    Why stop at socialist guidelines when they could go for all out communist control?
    
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    October 8, 2018 6:29pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Yes, optometry.
      I have to go to a guy every 6 months to have him tell me that the drops he’s got me on continue to stave off glaucoma.
      $85 for less than 10 minutes, thank you very much.
      And he can’t blame the cost of his equipment, because the machine at the hospital that does the exact same job as his does has been in use since the 1920s.
      He also wants to charge me about $4000 for a cataract, which takes him about an hour.
      If I’m lucky I’ll get it done in the public system before it gets too much worse, but it’s looking less likely since the Government changed.
      
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      October 8, 2018 8:14pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        If you can buy some reading glasses at the $2 shop, why is it $600+ at the optometrist for a frame?
        
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        October 8, 2018 8:55pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Philview after watching the swimmer trashing a $300, 000 sculpture in Wellington the auto play started playing the silly little girl’s latest garbage on fuel prices. Even before the first sentence was finished it was apparent there was another load of BS coming. Scripted naturally. Again we are hastened to ask “is she really that stupid?” They actually seem to be as they are still in compete denial that it is their action/inaction that has caused this situation. The Fool Factor (unintended consequences) have dominated all their decisions to date but will only as usual be seen in hindsight in the fullness of time. The flow on effect of such a rapid increase in fuel prices will surely see a new line of BS and excuses why living is so expensive. As the screaming gets louder for even more increases in benefits it is likely to reach fever pitch if the sheepe ever get to understand it is the “this” in Lets Do This.
    
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    October 8, 2018 6:30pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      I saw that. Cindy is denying the COL had anything to do with the rise in fuel. It is all those nasty fuel companies fault. Cindy says, “we have only added 7c tax.” Nobody in the news item mentioned the NZ$ has dropped significantly recently. Who caused that Cindy? I’m guessing you would say it wasn’t caused by your terrible policy decisions!!
      
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      October 8, 2018 7:32pm
      - Philview
        
        I noted that she referred to the last 9 years again, an unsaid hint that the National Government was somehow responsible for this.
        
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        October 8, 2018 10:13pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      And no one thought to ask how an oversized wavey fishing rod costs $300,000?
      
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      October 8, 2018 8:57pm
- skyblue
  
  I want an inquiry into the conduct of her son.
  
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  October 8, 2018 11:10pm
Jade Warrior

So our Dear Leader discusses rising petrol prices at the post Cabinet press conference. Great – or so I thought. Perhaps she could really take this opportunity to strike a blow for her government by say, cancelling the next two planned tax hikes on petrol or even rescinding the one that’s just come into force.

Instead she announces an amendment to the Commerce Act which will enable the government to … form yet another working group to investigate the issue.

I’m in Bali right now but I’m sure you can hear my scream of frustration from here! ?
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October 8, 2018 3:57pm
- Philview
  
  The articles I read were screaming about crooked petrol companies fleecing the public but no mentioned of all the taxes. Apparently our prices are at the top of the OECD per Megan Wood. I suspect the report will provide the Government with an economics lesson, we are a small population along way from many markets and prone to currency shocks. If the Government is tempted to start price fixing petrol I look forward to the ramifications.
  
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  October 8, 2018 4:17pm
  - KevOB
    
    If the Government is tempted to start price fixing petrol I look forward to the ramifications.
    Yeah. right!
    
    Don’t let the COl attempt to fix up their mess they will only make it worse.
    The commie chick doesn’t have a clue but she does have an excess of self belief and ill gotten power.
    
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    October 8, 2018 7:16pm
- DigNap15
  
  Our governments have been investigating the oil companies for years.
  You think they’s have all the figures at their finger tips.
  Its not rocket science.
  
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  October 8, 2018 4:55pm
  - mandk
    
    Of course the gov’t knows what the numbers are.
    
    Or, at least MBIE does.
    
    The Dear Leader could have a report on her desk tomorrow, if she really wanted to know.
    
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    October 8, 2018 5:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      Numbskull government takes on the international oil industry….
      
      A re-run of Venezuela?
      
      Labour-Greens sent the price of petrol soaring with their national and regional tax, and cemented the damage in for the long term by banning new oil and gas exploration.
      
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      October 8, 2018 5:17pm
- rangitoto
  
  Apart from the massive tax hike, Taxinda Taxadern might also want to investigate why trashing the NZ dollar is not a good thing for fuel costs.
  
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  October 8, 2018 5:42pm
DigNap15

I’d like to know why the huge variation in prices around the country!
I thought Auckland was supposed to be paying an extra tax.
It used to be that cities near ports paid less.
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October 8, 2018 4:40pm
DigNap15

Beneficaries want $200 a week more

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/manukau-courier/107659231/beneficiaries-calling-for-changes-to-new-zealands-welfare-system

What a cheek
What do they contribute to NZ?
All they do is breed more ferals to rob us
Try living in most other countries in the world
If you can do nothing, you get nothing.

I say cancel all benefits and reduce our taxes and let charities help these people.
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October 8, 2018 4:53pm
- igm
  
  DigNap: You said it, they contribute nothing, they breed for feed, and their protege will never be any bloody good either. Time for a strong right-wing party in this country to rid us of these stinking benefit bludgers, starting with DPB, then stop any immigrants unless they pay for their own support and if they default they must be deported, families and all.
  
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  October 8, 2018 5:47pm
  - GoVege
    
    A little harsh, igm.
    Immigrants usually do well, eventually.
    Just not the Neanderthals with multiple wives.
    
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    October 8, 2018 6:18pm
- GoVege
  
  Not 200 more…upped to 200.
  Dont panic!!
  
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  October 8, 2018 6:20pm
  - nasska
    
    Can’t see how they can up it to $200 when it’s already well over that. The Ministry of Social Development’s website gives a net weekly income (supported Living) for a Single, 18+ years of $269.15 net. This is before any accommodation supplement.
    
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    October 8, 2018 6:44pm
    - GoVege
      
      A 60 year old Maori lady protester claims she only gets $150 per week.
      Could she be….fibbing?
      
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      October 8, 2018 9:16pm
- Piniwi
  
  But DigNap15 this is just standard MO for Labour with the Media party charged with softening up the public for some eye watering increases. Unfortunately with their usual short sighted outlook the COL are still failing to understand the pending result of their actions will see the numbers grow at a new accelerated rate. The race has already started making it now a contest between the growth in numbers and how fast the COL find some more funding to shut the screamers up. The best is yet to come.
  
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  October 8, 2018 6:55pm
Morrissey

Making Fun of Stupid People
Victim No. 1: CAMERON SLATER

This classic stunt was perpetrated in 2013….

I should not laugh but …

The Sunday Star Times is reporting Truth’s escort service website has been hacked and the phone numbers of escorts replaced by Cam Slater’s number. Imagine the surprised calls he must be receiving …

—Mickey Savage, The Standard, 23 June 2018

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-23062013/#comment-652506

Making Fun of Stupid People is compiled by Hector Stoop, for Daisycutter Sports Inc.
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October 8, 2018 5:56pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Yep, you’re weird alright.
  
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  October 8, 2018 6:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    You’ll notice it’s frequently all about sex with Morrissey.
    
    It’s clear he has some problems….
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:47pm
Inandout

Yah, another working party that will fast track fuel prices. Fast track to the CoL is at least 12 months.
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October 8, 2018 6:10pm
nasska

…..”Colin Craig believes he has been left a social “pariah” after a “media firestorm” destroyed his career after the fallout of the 2014 election.”…..

No Colin……you became a “pariah” all through your own sterling efforts. Seldom in the history of politics has the MSM’s self selected task of destroying parties of the right been made easier.

In fact they didn’t have to do anything. Just sit back & report on your blunders, naivety & the alleged predations. By yourself you have removed the threat of a viable religious/conservative party for at least a couple of decades.

As a social liberal may I offer my thanks for a job well done.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/107595207/colin-craig-tells-court-media-firestorm-destroyed-his-career
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October 8, 2018 6:19pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Only his political career or his previous career as well?
  
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  October 8, 2018 6:36pm
  - nasska
    
    I think he’s still plugging along at property management Rachael. He’s a qualified accountant & probably does a fairly good job.
    
    It’s politics & personal relationships where he sucks.
    
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    October 8, 2018 6:48pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Well that suggests that any damage is less, to me.
      
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      October 8, 2018 10:11pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    He could always turn to journalism.
    Conducts a riveting interview.
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:49pm
- krazykiwi
  
  No Colin……you became a “pariah” all through your own sterling efforts.
  
  Preach it brother! Totally agree.
  
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  October 8, 2018 7:09pm
DigNap15

Yes Colin ,we needed a conservative party but you are not the person to lead it.
Self centered etc etc.
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October 8, 2018 6:40pm
DigNap15

The government also need to do an inquiry in to the price of building materials
The price of milk
The price of wood
The cost of the dpb
And the cost of their 100 “working groups”
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October 8, 2018 6:55pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  The price of ad agency photographers
  The cost of feel good films about former PMs
  The amount of carbon it costs to get to Nauru
  The outrageous price of (um) talcum powder
  …
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:46pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    The price of tax. I pay far too much income tax and it’s about time the government stepped in and regulated that downwards.
    
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    October 9, 2018 7:26am
The Heat

I see Taxinda is putting on her frowny face over the price of petrol.

Interesting solution, certainly.

PM: “As a moral stance, I think New Zealanders are paying too much for petrol”

As a “moral stance”? What does that even mean? Tax on petrol has an immoral component, I guess.

Anyways, I thought fossil fuels were a bad thing – hence the Taranaki ban – so shouldn’t she want the price to go sky high?

Hard to keep up with the virtue signalling these days…
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October 8, 2018 7:16pm
- double d
  
  Nice contribution TH.
  
  This BS about “moral stance” is so Taxinda. Like she gives a fuck. Concerned face. Frown.
  
  She doesn’t want nasty fossil fuels, so let’em eat cake.
  
  The neatest thing ever is fuel prices going up – maybe electric vehicles are the way to go cos, y’know, those nasty fossils fuels are (hmmmmmmm) so expensive
  
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  October 8, 2018 10:15pm
Gravelroad

The Princess has proclaimed to her subjects that petrol prices are too high but it is not the Government’s fault. It is due to price gouging by the petrol companies.
She knows this because of the thousands of comrades who have signed petitions against the evil fuel merchants and suppliers.
Was surprised to see these fuel merchants having very little to say about it – on TV 1 news at least – which will reinforce the narrative that this government is not to blame.
Didn’t see the Nat Party having anything useful to say either.
The Princess rules.
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October 8, 2018 7:40pm
- dog_eat_dog
  
  “People! Your petrol prices are high because of excessive petrol company profits!”
  
  “Those damn petrol companies! Even when the Govt increases excises and regional fuel taxes, I knew it was them.”
  
  Arden might turn out to be Joe Quimby after all.
  
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  October 8, 2018 7:45pm
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  And you’d think the petrol companies would be nice to the government after they shut down the evil oil and gas industry. Oh, wait….
  
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  October 9, 2018 6:48am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Big hold-up in housing builds looms as developers struggle to get financing | Nest Egg

https://www.nestegg.com.au/property/12421-big-hold-up-in-housing-builds-looms-as-developers-struggle-to-get-financing

Approvals for building new dwellings could fall by another 20 per cent, according to major bank ANZ, adding another stressor to Australian housing markets.

The latest dwelling approvals data indicates a 9.4 per cent drop for August, which ANZ senior economist David Plank believes is due to tightening credit conditions. … read more via hyperlink above …
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House price falls could turn out to be good, bad or downright ugly – Business – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-08/australian-housing-market-good-bad-and-ugly/10348856?section=business
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Australian housing, the economic parallels with Ireland and the risk of a housing crash – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-08/how-much-is-australia-in-2018-like-ireland-in-2007/10343364
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October 8, 2018 7:41pm
DigNap15

Maybe the oil companies need higher margins to pay for the continued staff wages and all of the government regulations etc.
Maybe they are paying Ardern back for banning the oil industry with a wave of her hands.
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October 8, 2018 7:51pm
DigNap15

The girls that killed the man in Hamilton whose car they were robbing.
They were worried that they may get caught!
What a disgusting defence when you try to steal a guys car and then go and get some weapons!
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October 8, 2018 7:53pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I blame colonialism.
  And alcohol.
  
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  October 8, 2018 8:22pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    I blame stupidity. ?
    
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    October 8, 2018 8:28pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Don’t forget the part rich white men played in this.
    
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    October 9, 2018 6:45am
- GoVege
  
  What a terrible waste of life and lives.
  Obviously they weren’t too worried about the possibility of getting a long prison sentence, as they would in the US.
  
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  October 8, 2018 9:20pm
Jack5

The BBC admits it “got it wrong on immigration”.

Where does that leave its customer, TV New Zealand, which continues to promote multiculturism?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6250965/Robert-Peston-claims-BBC-patronising-got-wrong-immigration.html
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