General Debate 29 October 2018

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krazykiwi

Hey Mr Winston “Tough On Crime” Peters. We know you like secret deals. What’s the secret deal with drug smuggling, passport fraud, Hells Angel overstayer?
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October 29, 2018 8:01am
- peterwn
  
  Presumably there is no secret deal between NZF and Labour concerning immigration decisions. So the Immigration Minister can make residency decisions without reference to NZF. This is easily fixed, Winston mere has to tell Jacinda that henceforth, the NZF immigration spokesperson must be consulted.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:06am
  - kaykaybee
    
    Winston’s overriding interest in the stability of the coalition will override this.
    
    If the rumours have veracity – i.e. that criminals are using information about high profile justice evaders to secure good deals for themselves, he won’t want to ROCK that boat.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:16am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Well of course they are. Think about it. High profile individuals in Politics the Judicary The Police Business Government Agencies buy drugs from this guy.
      
      He gets caught and sent to jail. His lawyer then produces a copy of his “Little Black Book” to Sleeze-Galloway.
      
      Sleeze face goes ashen as he sees familiar names, colleagues people of importance to the Government.
      
      The Lawyers says Sleeze unless you do this the names will be sent to every media outlet nd also posted on an overseas website with its details made widely known.
      
      Sleeze consults Cindy who notices one particular name and goes ashen at the thought of this name getting into the public arena.
      
      Deal done Precedent Set for the future.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:22am
      - Prince
        
        More likely Sleaze grins when threatened with media, says ‘go ahead, they have their instructions..’
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Stability in the coalition” what fucking planet are you on?
      
      Not one of them gives a flying fuck about you and I and even less for the degenerate unemployable dickwits that voted for them. They don’t want to rock the boat in case some much desired baubles fall out before they had their chance to hoover them up.
      
      This is not a government but a collection of avaricious political animals doing their best to fill their personal accounts before the bubble bursts.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:36am
    - Melting_Pot
      
      WP Will decide based on whats in it for him.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:31pm
- Liberty
  
  Looks like the Godfather is losing his mojo.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:26am
  - GazzaW
    
    ……or traded this issue off for another deal which is what this coalition is all about.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:34am
- Melting_Pot
  
  Got to be asked…Shame he doesn’t speak up…must suit him not to
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:59pm
Notsofast

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The national party, driven by Simon Bridges, Judith Collins and Amy Adams, have tried to block the introduction of a criminal cases review commission. Amy Adams said that the Teina Pora exoneration showed the system worked just fine.That reward seeking liar spent 21 years in jail at a cost of 2,1 million plus 3.5 million to us. Maybe that is what she means.

The last two men hanged in New Zealand were innocent. Maybe that is why the system works just fine without meddling by scientists.

On a serious note, until lawyers are required to do a science degree before interfering with peoples lives we are going to continue to be regaled with the blithering nonsense I have been reading scribed by one of these abject fools on behalf of two others.
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October 29, 2018 8:01am
- Lance
  
  The meds… you forgot the meds this morning.
  Take them urgently
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:06am
- Nookin
  
  Your comment shows a completing lack of understanding of the system and the functions of lawyers. They are not witnesses, their job is not to make statements of scientific fact or theory. That is the job of scientists. The lawyer is simply their to present a case that is supported by eividence of experts in their field.
  Equally, it is not their job to state that an expert is wrong (because the expert’s opinion differs from that of a lawyer with a scientific degree but no experience). That approach deprives a party to a case of the full benefit of an advocate.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:25am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Nookin, I did read Notsofast until you responded to him. In this case, he has a point. I understand the system and I say it needs improvement.
    
    Do you think Peter Ellis is innocent?
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:32am
    - Notsofast
      
      I won’t name the case I am thinking of, but I know a great deal about it.
      The Peter Ellis case is a shocker, and he is innocent. Parents were rewarded with $10,000 by encouraging their children to lie. They should be named and obliged to return the money.
      Other people have been rewarded by perpetuating the lies of the police and receiving insurance money. They should be named and obliged to return the money.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:01am
  - Notsofast
    
    Until the appeal court steps in we are spared the need to puzzle over the stupidity of jury verdicts.
    But the appeal courts must show their workings. These are scribed by lawyers who pay no heed to the rigors of science.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:53am
    - Tall Man
      
      Blah blah blah.
      
      Do you know where off is?
      
      Well fuck it…
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:07pm
- GoVege
  
  “Reward-seeking liar”…cost us 2.1 plus 3.5 mill?
  More like vulnerable orphan teen with foetal alcohol syndrome.
  How much did the psychopaths who slaughtered their own families cost us?
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:11am
  - Notsofast
    
    Bullshit, he knew exactly what he was doing.
    The crocodile tears are sickening when genuine people are being pitchforked by the villagers.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:25am
    - GoVege
      
      17, orphaned at 4, mentally impaired by deceased mum’s alcoholism?
      You’re all heart, Notsofast.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:59am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  No to a criminal cases review commission is the right call.
  We have to many levels of appeal in this country already without adding another one.
  This only benefits troughers and punishes the long suffering taxpayer who has to foot the bill for this shit.
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:10am
  - Notsofast
    
    My house won’t burn today nor will your’s yet neither of us would recommend disbanding the fire service.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:25am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Got no idea what relevance that comparison has because you are talking about disbanding something while I am referring to the creation of a new body which does not currently exist.
      If you proposed to create a second fire service my answer is the same, NO as we already have one and don’t need to replicate it.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:34am
Captain Mainwaring

This astonishing secret decision by Lees-Galloway to give the drug-dealing gang-affiliated Czech criminal residency instead of deportation cannot go uninvestigated. Imagine what would be happening if a National Government had done this.
This is very fishy and the obvious conclusion to make is that the crooked Czech has links to someone very close to the Labour Party which could be exposed if he didn’t get what he wanted.
Worst. Government. Ever,
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October 29, 2018 8:02am
- igm
  
  Where is Watkins with coverage of Sleeze-Galloway’s latest immigration “Stuff-Up”?
  Seems MSM have once again been gagged by Dirty Little Andy’s union thugs. This is a major catastrophe, and suppressing information to taxpayers, and even compliant public, is surely a travesty of justice.
  Seems the only thing of interest to MSM is crap from another leeching academic kept by taxpayers:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/108133586/mysterious-defence-forum-an-insult-to-democracy
  I want to hear about Labour covering up sexual offences at education camps, giving drug dealers citizenship, health, housing, and everything else they can hand out at the expense of our own people.
  Crockery is a failure, liar, and hypocrite!
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:04am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Lol, apparently the media are only there to keep National honest, anything goes when Labour are having a go at fucking the country.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:40am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  This is an opportunity for the opposition to really hammer the decision and get some media coverage.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:08am
  - peterwn
    
    They are. However there is no point hammering an issue if it does not get media coverage at the time. Wait for a more opportune time. The guy may be released from prison but be back inside mid 2020. This would be an ideal time to hammer the decision.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      As an old instructor of mine said once, “you worked hard to put him down, don’t let him get back up”.
      
      Simon Bridges was excellent last week in the house holding the liars to account and revealing the inadequacies of Ardern and her fellow bludgers.
      
      He needs to press home any advantage that they can muster to either force the truth out or a reversal of a stupid plan like Ardern dropping new fuel taxes.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:58am
      - Lance
        
        We will get to see Aderns twisted gumboot face and huffing again.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:11am
      - peterwn
        
        OK as long as MSM will ‘bite’. If the MSM are unlikely to ‘bite’ he would just be talking in an echo chamber (which is what the debating chamber is but for the Press Gallery).
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:40am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      “The guy may be released from prison but be back inside mid 2020.”
      
      His victims won’t mind being used as a political tool at all.
      And law abiding NZers are champing at the bit to get visas to visit Australia because the Aussies know our immigration policies are looser than a wizard’s sleeve.
      
      Way to go SLG.
      Let’s show that silly Mr Trump how NZ conducts its own War on Drugs.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:13am
    - artemisia
      
      Yes, timing is the thing. I am surprised at how many posters here say NOW NOW NOW. Do they really think a large and experienced Opposition has not seriously considered timing?
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:46am
  - G152
    
    The ‘media’ isn’t interested.
    The Nats could do the greatest things possible and the fake news is otherwise occupied ‘looking over there’
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:25am
    - sooty
      
      Baby’s, royals, cups of tea. Useless media. Sopers pushing the labour line on the no royals, following on from herr clark.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:39am
      - Paulus
        
        Where is Clarke – he is not around – jumped ship home father duties quicker than expected ?
        
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        October 29, 2018 1:38pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    Start with the full-page ads. Now.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:05am
    - sooty
      
      No point now that no one reads newspapers!
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:40am
      - Nukuleka
        
        But they read them online.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:04am
- Scott
  
  Captain Mannering – couldn’t agree more about the worst government ever. How is it that a government that promised to cut back on immigration, is doing its best to get the worst types of immigrants, namely the illegal immigrants that Australia doesn’t want on Nauru Island? And now we have a drug dealing foreign criminal who a Minister of the Crown has personally decided should stay in New Zealand!
  
  Could it be that this government actually only pledged to cut back on immigration for political purposes? Could it be that actually in their hearts they are multinational globalists committed to massive immigration knowing that 80% of those immigrants will vote Labour?
  
  Is it possible to get a New Zealand government that wants to look after New Zealanders and doesn’t want to replace us with hundreds of thousands of foreigners? Is it possible for the voters to get such a government to elect? Because given the choice I believe that many many New Zealanders would like a government that looks after the interests of their own people first.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    Never going to happen. Winston first, Adern second, the rest of the useless line up behind her because she has enough of the populace conned into thinking she gives a shit.
    
    She doesn’t.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:00am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Funny thing is that Maori would seem happy with that. ( A generalisation I know).
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:59am
- G152
  
  What does he know about who and when did he find out what it is that got him protection and citizenship should be the questions asked
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:22am
  - sooty
    
    Maybe he was spying on the sex camp and saw what the minders were up to!
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:42am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Bigger than that.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Have a look at how many times this character has been up before our courts and has his convictions discharged or overturned and has been granted name suppression.
    
    2003: Karel Sroubek flees Czech Republic as witness to a murder. Enters New Zealand with false passport in name of Jan Antolik. Later gains residency and represents his new country as a kickboxer.
    
    2009: True identity discovered when Czech police contact their counterparts in NZ.
    
    2010: Arrested with two Hells Angels on aggravated robbery and blackmail charges. Acquitted on all charges.
    
    2011: Jury finds him guilty of using false passport and giving false details to Immigration officials. Arrested soon after as part of Operation Ark, a covert investigation into Ecstasy-like pills.
    
    2012: Judge discharges him without conviction on false identity charges so Antolik is not automatically deported.
    
    2014: Convicted of manufacturing Class-C drug from Operation Ark arrest. Conviction overturned but Crown abandons second trial. A few months later, arrested importing 5kg of MDMA, a Class-B controlled drug, used in Ecstasy.
    
    2016: Convicted of importing MDMA and jailed for five years and nine months, but identity kept secret by sentencing judge.
    
    2017: Name suppression lifted.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11818806
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:00am
- peterwn
  
  This case reminded me of another instance of immigration decisions, although in that case the Minister would have concurred with the Review Board’s decisions.
  This was basically involving the possible attempted kidnapping where the victim was going to be kept in an underground box. This involved John Barlow, his stepson and his nephew. The first two had been granted residency in NZ and the third remained in NZ on a 6 month visitor permit which he renewed 6 monthly by briefly leaving NZ. They were all imprisoned for the role, the stepson pleaded guilty, gave evidence in the trial of the other two and was released before the trial of the other two was over.
  John tried to prevent cancellation of his residence and this was rightfully declined. The nephew applied for residency and this was refused. The stepson successfully argued that his residency should not be cancelled. We was a good welder and his employer offered to re-employ him when released from prison.He also seemed to be in an ‘Oliver Twist’ role with John Barlow being Faigan or Bill Sykes. I had no issue with allowing him to remain in NZ – if it was not for his step father he would not have been implicated in any criminal activity.
  There is another aspect – IMO the judge was quite wrong to have sent the stepson to prison – it was a first offence, he was under the malign influence of his step father and he was extremely unlikely to offend again and a valuable employee was removed from the workforce. A stiff community sentence would have been sufficient to denounce his conduct. If Andy wants to keep this sort of offender out of prison I have no argument with this.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You have muddled names here:
    
    John Barlow convicted of double murder of Gene & Eugene Thomas
    
    John Burrett (& Matthew Payne) – kidnap & Bunker episode
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3508057
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:23am
    - Swifty
      
      Yep.
      
      I knew Gene. I used to work on his Mustang. Always a good guy to deal with.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:29am
    - peterwn
      
      Oops – my apologies, especially to John Barlow.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:29am
      - krazykiwi
        
        That pond scum Barlow brutally murdered two of my friends. I applaud any offence caused to him.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:59am
- stephen2d
  
  He is probably a snitch. No other reason this decision could be made.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:14am
  - Southern Raider
    
    If so he would actually be in a safer position if he was deported to another country. NZ is a pretty small place to hide
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He won’t be safe in prison now (where he currently resides).
      
      Wonder why the ruling to grant him residency was made public?
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:25am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        I wondered how the ruling was made public.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:16am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    More likely that he has children here and his partner and others supported him.
    In any event Lees Galloway needs to give the reason why.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:38am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      What a joke this morning – a professor on Newstalk said these cases can occur because a family would be without support if someone is deported.
      
      Well, it’s not as though he is supporting them while he’s in prison – we are!
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:36am
      - Jack5
        
        A German couple, with children born in NZ and with favourable support from locals, were thrown out of the country because the husband had left a drug conviction in Europe off his visa application.
        
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        October 29, 2018 11:19am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Children aren’t hard to get, he wasn’t thinking about any children when he was offending, so why should they be determinative now?
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:02am
  - peterwn
    
    If you were referring to the stepson, he was not a snitch. The Police had bugged them and knew exactly what was happening. He was called as a witness for the sake of completeness. Anyway fellow prisoners at Rimutaka no doubt found that John Burrett was a pain in the backside, so would have had no associated, and anyway was deported immediately he was released so he would not have posed a threat to his stepson.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      When Burrett got back to England, he wrote a book about the case…insisting it was game he was playing…and he was an innocent man.
      
      https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/One_Game_Too_Many.html?id=7BDUMgEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:06am
      - peterwn
        
        The Wellington City library catalogue showed their libraries had several copies at the time. I am sure the library would not have any more than two copies (NZ reference and lending copies), he must have been giving away copies hand over fist.
        He got struck off by the UK bar association, but on his return to UK conned them into letting him practice. He said that he specialised in defending unusual Old Bailey (criminal) cases. Presumably 5 and a half years in Rimutaka (he was sentenced to 7 and I noticed a slight smile on the judge’s face when he passed sentence) gave him some experience with working with crims.
        
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        October 29, 2018 12:14pm
- Harkman
  
  I didn’t hear this on the news last night, did I miss it or did they run diversions for their masters?
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:45am
- MCos
  
  If there is a change a government someone is going to look like a fool.
  Either Labour if he’s gone by lunchtime or the Nats if he isn’t.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    Do you ever understand what you and others are saying?
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:03am
- madamezucchininz
  
  …exactly….imagine if this was happening under National….very very fishy indeed…..what happened to open and transparent….hahaha…..
  
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  October 29, 2018 7:39pm
holysheet

“Doc,” says Jethro, “I want to be castrated.”

“What on earth for?” asks the doctor in amazement.

“It’s something I’ve been thinking about for a long time and I want to have it done” replies Jethro.

“But have you thought it through properly?” asks the doctor, “It’s a very serious operation and once it’s done, there’s no going back. It will change your life forever!”

“I’m aware of that and you’re not going to change my mind; either you book me in to be castrated or I’ll simply go to another doctor.”

“Well, OK.”, says the doctor, “But it’s against my better judgement!”

So Jethro has his operation, and the next day he is up and walking very slowly, legs apart, down the hospital corridor with his drip stand. Heading towards him is another patient, who is walking exactly the same way.
“Hi there,” says Jethro, “It looks as if you’ve just had the same operation as me.”

“Well,” said the patient, “I finally decided after 37 years of life that I would like to be circumcised.”
Jethro stared at him in horror and screamed, “Shit! THAT’S the word!”
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October 29, 2018 8:02am
peterwn

So Entrust (the electricity consumers’ trust in Auckland) has held its election and to my slight surprise the C&R (centre right) candidates voted in, with the top polling City Vision (left wing) candidate 6000 votes out of 36000 votes behind. Turnout 12% lower than previous turnouts.
There was factional differences within C&R (with one existing C&R trustee not being endorsed as a C&R candidate) while City Vision appeared to remain united. City Vision claimed the C&R candidates would drop the annual customer payout which they denied (effectively an election promise to maintain the payouts). With the payouts not at stake, there was little to stir voters to vote.
I would have thought that City Vision being apparently united would have had the edge over the disunited C&R (as seems to be the scenario for Auckland Council elections giving the Left the upper hand). However the C&R candidates would have recognised the problem they faced and remained silent leaving it to their leader to make any announcements or answer media questions. This is unusual as candidates can normally ‘go public’ as long as they sing from the same song sheet, but then they probably could not agree on the song sheet.
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October 29, 2018 8:02am
- GazzaW
  
  The Entrust election is a real beltway issue. C&R would be my choice regardless of my $350 annual payout but there’s no way will I see my annual dividend handed over to Goff which is what City Vision would do. With a $350 payout to current Auckland power consumers at stake I’m surprised more people do not vote. It effectively means two months free power to our household.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:19am
  - peterwn
    
    The City Vision candidates effectively promised to keep the $350 dividend by accusing C&R of planning to do away with it. The thought crossed my mind too that it was a ‘beltway’ issue with those voters with some understanding of and interest in the electricity supply industry as well as local politics being the most inclined to vote.
    This low amount of interest does indicate that Entrust is an anomaly. Even though 75.1% of Vector is owned by the Trust, its influence over Vector is limited. It can effectively appoint two directors but because of the need for independent directors it is limited to vetoing directors put up by the incumbent Vector Board and over-use of the veto would be disruptive.
    IMO the time has come for the Government to step in, wind up Entrust and hand the 75.1% of Vector shares to Auckland Council. Vector had its origins in the old Auckland City Council (which took the original financial risk of providing electricity to Auckland), so it should be returned to the Council to help pay for trains in exchange for the petrol tax being removed.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:39am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Oi, I like my $350pa. Leave it alone!
      I know one of the C&R guys who was chucked off the C&R team. in happier days he told me that the shopkeepers of south auckland get a real turn over bounce from the dividend as it hits peoples pockets. I would rather see the dividend in peoples pockets than funding the tram set.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:07am
    - All_on_Red
      
      It’s a reasonable argument Peter but I just don’t see the Council being responsible with the extra income.
      Frankly there are probably huge savings to be made from their current Budget but the executive just won’t do it.
      That’s what should be happening.
      I reckon they’d keep the petrol tax too!
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:45am
    - howitis
      
      Piss off!
      Politely, please, PWN.
      The game has changed.
      
      The creation of the dreadful Super Shitty has changed the game.
      If the value of Vector Trust (80 year Trust) aka Entrust was transferred before time this would be inequitable.
      Of course such a thing (inequity) would appeal to Labour pardy filth.
      They can wait until 2073.
      
      In the early 1990s the North Shore’s Waitemata Electric Power Board (WEPB) corporatised. The power account holders at the time got shares worth several thousand dollars. Most sold out early on and received between $2000 and $4000 each.
      They got their money then. Thousands of dollars in 1994 spending power.
      They would benefit twice if given Vector shares/value from the old AEPB area.
      
      I had tenants at the time in a North Shore property who came from the South Island and were only here for 10 weeks before deciding Auckland was a big bad place. They went back South.
      They still got Thousands of dollars by being the account holder in a narrow band of time. From recall the date was set in secret then announced. The payout was made a few weeks later.
      Lucky for some.
      Some history from Brian Gaynor:-
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=1793121
      
      Keep your filthy Auckland Council mitts off our money !
      The money will be frittered away on 1950s trams, socialism, and pea brain ideas.
      
      Never praise City Vision. They are mainly 1960s style British communists that want to destroy not create.
      Again, none of them have business experience like their Green/Labour buddies.
      Cathy Casey has a Doctorate in Sociology. Not much use to society.
      Peter Haynes, who wants to destroy Chamberlain Park Golf Course, is a commie Unionist.
      
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      October 29, 2018 12:57pm
      - peterwn
        
        I know about that. I was in the game when the old Hutt Valley Energy Board corporatised and tried to merge with the old Waitemata Power Board (the respective CEO’s were former workmates). The Hutt Valley outfit did a survey which indicated customers would retain any shares from a share giveaway and take the dividends. Then LV Martin (‘its the putting right that counts’) and El Cheapo Cars told the customers they were sitting on $3K virtual cash and to bring in the share certificates to buy whiteware, cars, etc. Sharebrokers set up stalls in malls to buy up shares – wrote cheques on the spot.
        One guy had a house and flat with separate meters – as he was not renting the flat he persuaded them to combine the accounts to save money, then wrangled TWO share allocations. Housing NZ had the power reconnected to their empty properties so they could cash in then had them disconnected. Baycorp etc also got their nips in where customers had debts. Great fun until I got thrown out on my ear (for doing my job too well).
        
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        October 29, 2018 2:47pm
rebekah

Iainn Lees-Galloway is just playing politics. Remember that the criminal fraternity are a core constituency of Labour’s voting block. This is a thumbs up to their supporters. Along with Andrew Littles’ attempts to empty the prisons, the push to make drug dealing a health issue, Kelvin Davis’ trips to Australia to support criminals there etc etc
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October 29, 2018 8:06am
cmm

Why do we have all those Immigration offices if it all just comes down to the whim of the minister of the day?

Why do we have parliament to debate the running of the country and directing the economy if it all just comes down to one PriNZess deciding to shut down oil and gas to look clever in her UN job interview?

This is just getting absurd. We clearly don’t need all these massive government bodies. We only need two or three people making the decisions.
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October 29, 2018 8:10am
- Justitia
  
  It is a fundamental Marxist doctrine that all power must be centralized and exercised without accountability. New Zealand is embarking on its world-beating Great Leap Backwards, show some pride.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Shush there is a Princess in town to get instructions about a real baby.
    Where is Clarke ?
    Nothing else matters.
    
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    October 29, 2018 1:42pm
- VicParking
  
  Send a fact finding Group to Venezuela, it seems to work there.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:48am
krazykiwi

Greenland’s ice sheet has gained almost 150 billion tonnes of snow and ice above the average for 1981-2010. But remember:
(1) if it’s hot, you are to blame; and,
(2) If it’s cold, you are to blame.

Please assuage your guilt with taxes every time you buy fuel, or flick a switch.
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October 29, 2018 8:11am
- Longknives
  
  ‘Rich White Men’ are destroying the Planet!
  Or so I read on Facebook the other day…
  (No mention of which two Continents 75% of the World’s Pollution comes from)
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:19am
  - kowtow
    
    No mention of the 75 %ers coming to ruin the rich white countries.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:40am
  - Notsofast
    
    Always think per capita and rich white men destroy best.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:04am
- waikatogirl
  
  What happened with that enormous iceberg that was sitting in a fiord up that way? The village was evacuated in case of a ‘tidal’ wave, then absolutely no follow up news…? ?
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:22am
  - G152
    
    Must have been a washout 🙂
    Fake news doesn’t do followups
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:28am
  - Biscuit
    
    It’s bizarre, Waikatogirl.
    
    I just Googled.
    
    There are ‘about 34,000’ pages if you search ‘Innaarsuit Greenland Iceberg’, 99.999999% of them timestamped in July 2018.
    
    Not a single page of how things are NOW.
    
    Surely at least ONE reporter attended all the funerals after the berg destroyed the town in question (population 132. Well, in July, anyway) before moving on to take out vast swathes of coastal western Europe?
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:42am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yes Biscuit, I was fascinated by the huge berg and what was going to happen. Would it roll over and expose the 90% of itself underwater? Would there be a huge tidal wave that swamped the cute village? Would it just sit there and slowly melt till it’s size was no longer threatening, or would it ride the tide out of the fiord into the open sea and glide off into the sunset??? So many questions and just a dull ache of disappointment at not knowing what happened. ?
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:00am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It was carried North on the current and probably just disintegrated.
        https://abcnews.go.com/International/massive-iceberg-threatening-greenland-village-moved-coast/story?id=56619829
        
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        October 29, 2018 9:43am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s an August 20 clip from Greenland’s TV station – KNR – showing it disintegrating
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1P0lZmWzKg
        The folks in the pic don’t seem too concerned about any wash from the falling chunks of ice
        
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        October 29, 2018 9:53am
      - Tall Man
        
        It went boat hunting…….
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:09am
      - rockape
        
        Like most they usually run aground and melt away.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:17am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Thanks Maggy. ?
        
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        October 29, 2018 3:47pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Ah thanks for the searching Maggie…
      
      You’re a saintess!
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:50am
secondcumming

PEOPLE THAT CAN *F- OFF* THIS WEEK……

Trick or’ Treaters (cheeky little bastards)

Lorry Drivers

People who play the Glockenspiel

Mutants (as defined in the ‘Urban Dictionary’)

Women who eat takeaways in their car

Cyclists who bike to work (smelly pricks)

And I wont be mentioning
The Saudi Royal Family

More to follow……..
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October 29, 2018 8:12am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  I’m with you about the trick or treaters . .
  It’s just a poxy bs America / Warehouse thing.
  
  bah humbugger off !!
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:21am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Halloween and trick or treating are fun. If you don’t like things invented in America there is plenty of stuff in your house you can get rid of. Just make sure you do it in the daytime or throw away the light bulbs last.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:11am
    - Tall Man
      
      My new lightbulb has a sensor so it’s auto on.
      
      It also reads movement through a wall so it’s auto annoying!
      
      Made in Thailand so no problems with America in my house.
      
      Trick or treating……..not my cup of tea.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:13am
      - stephen2d
        
        Made in Thailand no doubt, but invented and designed where?
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:53am
- cmm
  
  You don’t live in AKL or Chch otherwise you’d also mention the Lime scooter dickheads.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:22am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes those scooter idiots really are lame, nothing cool about them. The story about them is only going to grow in the coming weeks.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:49am
    - GazzaW
      
      Fourteen ACC claims already including hefty dental charges.
      
      Apply an ACC levy immediately to Lime charges. User pays.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:49am
waikatogirl

Simon has called for Ian Lees Galloway to justify his stand on giving a recidivist criminal, drug importing, dangerous individual with gang connections NZ residency. If ILG will not announce valid reasoning Simon is calling him to step down, and Simon will be asking Cindy to explain why NZ’ers are being put in danger by keeping this Czech gang member, drug importing criminal when other more deserving immigration applicants are being turned away. Other deserving applicants are rightly asking their immigration consultants WTF?
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October 29, 2018 8:13am
- GazzaW
  
  There’s no doubt what Question 1 will be all about to the PM tomorrow followed a little later with another to Lees-Galloway from Mark Mitchell. Not really what Jacinda wanted this week with Meghan in town.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:24am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I am sure that Trevor Mallard will also be receiving a letter from either Bridges or Mitchell seeking an urgent debate as per Standing Orders. It is a case of recent occurrence, involving ministerial responsibility, and requires the immediate attention of the House.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:47am
    - GazzaW
      
      There’s no chance Mallard will grant an urgent debate. This issue has all sorts of nasty connotations for Labour and is one that will cause frictions between them and NZF. A two-pronged attack is needed – Bridges v SLG and Mitchell v Lees-Galloway. They need to cut Lees-Galloway out of the herd as they did with Curran.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:05am
  - RF
    
    Mike Hosking wanted to interview this turkey but he said NO.
    
    I guess it’s up to Ardern to gabble her way through this clusterfuk when she comes on tomorrow at 7.40am
    
    Might be a good time to ask Ardern if it’s true that first fish and squirrel attend caucus meetings and if so, why.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:59am
    - sooty
      
      Commie Cindy will be a no show while the royals are in town! Too busy showing of the squrriel! Will there be photos of the squrriel out of its den and away from the duck.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:09am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And the bastards knew very well that Cindy wouldn’t be in the House this week which explains the cunning timing of this release.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:33am
- Philview
  
  This Government are more interested in keeping wealthy people out. Whereas another state dependent beneficiary is a vote for Labour.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:24am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    No need for drug dealers to get a benefit too. I bet our prisons are a snip compared to those in the Czech republic.
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:13am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I worked as an Immigration Consultant for several years in the late 1990’s. Having seen the hoops which GENUINE migrants were forced to jump through in order to gain permanent residence, I find it utterly incomprehensible that this convicted criminal has been allowed to stay in New Zealand as a PR.
  
  Iain Lees-Galloway and Jacinda Ardern MUST explain the reasons behind this bizarre decision. Lees-Galloway has claimed that he cannot comment due to privacy issues; I say that he MUST comment, and if he is not prepared to, he should resign, or the PM should sack him.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:45am
  - VicParking
    
    My call is that he transistioning to become a female and sending him back with stop him adopting a child from Nauru with his partner who is a female transitioning into a male.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:54am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I suspect that the PM won’t sack him as she is probably donkey-deep in this.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:56am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Aye, Captain. We haven’t heard the last of this.
      Sometimes it takes just one issue to foot-trip a government. This may be it. Bridges and Mitchell have to hammer this mercilessly.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:09am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Bridges, Mitchell… and anyone else who can get in the ring. This is a full-blown conspiracy, and New Zealanders deserve some of that ‘transparency’ we’ve been promised.
        
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        October 29, 2018 9:48am
    - skyblue
      
      Maybe the first bloke knows him?
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:15am
      - Tall Man
        
        Now why would you think that?
        
        You mean this awesome guy?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQduC6N5OY
        
        Can’t see him being a mate of an ecstasy salesman…..
        
        I mean he is so good at pulling chicks he doesn’t need any assistance like Bill Cosby…..does he?
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:17am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Cindy will duck and dive and obfuscate when asked to explain why her minister is putting NZ’ers in danger by keeping this Czech criminal here. She will then ‘flomp’ into her chair while looking like she is sucking a lemon.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:05am
    - RF
      
      Don’t forget the death stare and scowl towards Simon.
      
      This is after she props up her chin with her left hand .
      
      Evil harridan.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:31pm
  - rockape
    
    I dont think there were too many hoops in the late 90’s. I got mine in late 90’s. I was sailing round tyhe World and spent a few years 6 months in the islands and 6 months in NZ. When my wife and I went to renew our visitors visa the third time we were asked if we wanted permanent residency. 2 Months later it was all done and dusted and we are both now Citizens and still here.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:25am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Did you have a useful profession? In the 90s there was already a grading system I think.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:46am
emmess

Go Bolsanoro
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October 29, 2018 8:13am
Longknives

“In my neighbourhood a pie and Coke for breakfast is the norm.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12149455

I’m particularly intrigued by this comment-

“Leitu Tufuga said in her neighbourhood, in Mangere, healthy food options were limited and growing up to be overweight was almost a given…”

Why are Healthy food options ‘limited’ in South Auckland? I’m pretty sure Pak N Save still sells fruit and vege and cereals etc? Don’t they??
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October 29, 2018 8:17am
- holysheet
  
  Could it be they are far too lazy to prepare and cook?
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:19am
  - GazzaW
    
    Eggs on toast and a glass of juice or milk would cost all of $2 per child which is a tad cheaper than a pie and Coke. Mind you parents are required to be out of bed to crack the eggs and pour the milk.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:27am
    - sooty
      
      Maybe need to teach how to boil water first.
      Nice easy steps.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Breakfast in the Islands is invariably not cooked but is fruit based – was when I was there and great too.
    But coffee was hot.
    
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    October 29, 2018 1:47pm
- kowtow
  
  I see the article is blaming the abundance of fast food outlets for making people fat.
  
  I walk past at least 2 fast food outlets every day and haven’t put on any weight.
  
  “We need to double down on prevention – obesity is a disease we have some control of and social policies can have a huge impact.”
  
  Yep , tell the fat fuckers to stop stuffing their faces with shit. Simple.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I walk past at least 2 fast food outlets every day and haven’t put on any weight.
    
    There’s your trouble…
    You need to drive up to your fast food outlets.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      Clever…..
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:18am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Obesity is a ‘disease’ because being classified as such enables the pharmaceutical industry to develop and sell obesity medications.
    
    The vast majority of obesity witnessed in affluent nations is the result of personal choice.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:06am
    - sooty
      
      They will be going hungry now that petrol has gone up!
      Can’t afford petrol and food, don’t you know!
      Maybe have to move the car outside the takeaway shop and live in the back of it.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:16am
- waikatogirl
  
  Many years ago I knew a maori woman who was employed as a maori health worker in Huntly. She would bring her moko (grandchildren) into her office eating their breakfast, a pie and coke! Dumb as…
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:29am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I knew several dieticians when I worked in healthcare: one obese, one overweight, two scarily skinny. None looked healthy or fit.
    
    They all bought into the high-carb diet paradigm and inflicted it on their victims. Basically setting people up for diabetes.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  That’s an expensive and well-branded breakfast.
  I cite laziness and ignorance.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:34am
  - kowtow
    
    I reckon “feeding” your child coke and pie for breakfast is prima facie child abuse , however they’d be able to run a defence of insanity.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:38am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Bang-on O-sen. You have nailed her exactly.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:45am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Odakyu-sen – the dumbarse underclasses . . .
    
    Addicted to eating – allergic to exercise.
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:57am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I read somewhere that the lower the social class, the sweeter their beverage of choice.
      
      Maybe that’s why Asahi “Super Dry” has been such a great long-seller in Japan and around the world.
      Here in NZ there is a rival in the form of “Tokyo Dry.”
      
      (My goodness! Am I morphing into a beer snob!)
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:15am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      If a coke is $3.00 and a pie is $3.50, then $7.50 for one breakfast for one child could be used to buy rolled oats and milk to make porridge, or flour to bake bread.
      I know. We’ve had this conversation before. The poor stay poor because they have to have their “bling breakfasts.” Bad decision after bad decision after one excuse after another.
      “But my little boy loves his bling brekky!” (You shouldn’t have let him get hooked on that sucrose-rich food in the first place.)
      
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      October 29, 2018 1:11pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        Check out any bakery in South Auckland from 7.30 onwards. Queuing up for crap.
        
        Clients bank statements read, McDonald’s, KFC, local chippy, bakery and diary. Easily $100 plus on crap.
        
        Treat your kids for sure. But not every friggen day.
        
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        October 29, 2018 1:49pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  The society is urging the Government to introduce policies which help to reduce the sale, supply and availability of fast foods, sugary drinks, alcohol and tobacco.
  
  How far do they want the Govt to go with that ?
  I want to like the old Cancer Society, but while they spout the societal socialist control freak shit; I’m sorry – but they can get well and truly knotted mate.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:54am
- MCos
  
  Breakfast cereal, in the main, is not a healthy way to start the day.
  Look at the amount of sugar & salt that’s in that some of that stuff.
  For some of it the only healthy component is the milk.
  
  I regularly go to Pak n Sav, Mangere. First thing you see is a bloody great stack of something like Cocopops on special.
  Further on are boxes of dirt cheap hash browns, huge bags of sausages, acres of white bread, lakes of cheap noname brightly coloured sugary drinks etc etc and then you can queue up for a lotto ticket . . .
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    White bread in NZ is a nutritious product.
    It is an excellent source of food for growing bodies.
    https://www.bakeinfo.co.nz/Facts/Nutrition/Nutritional-Properties-of-Bread
    
    Some young children’s digestive system do not cope with high fibre diets… too much loss of essential nutrients as the food races through the alimentary canal.
    
    A lot of the bad press for white bread came from the over-processed muck sold in the US decades ago.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:20am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    MCos, you forgot to mention the fellow with the gun forcing people to buy the rubbish you complain about.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:56am
  - DigNap15
    
    Its very hard to buy any breakfast cereals without sugar in them.
    I wish they’d back off the sugar.
    We can add it if we wish!
    
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    October 29, 2018 5:02pm
- Fletch
  
  I thought the schools all fed them breakfast now, anyway?
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:52am
  - MCos
    
    Probably wouldn’t be a bad idea if that was general practice.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      Perhaps they could clothe them as well and then maybe organise their social lives to keep the pressure off their parents and what about get them to their sports on the weekend and maybe supply their play stations and after all that maybe educate them but just enough to learn how to vote for labour like all the morons we now have in NZ.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Now why was school milk discontinued?
      https://nzhistory.govt.nz/end-of-free-school-milk
      
      If my memory serves me right it was the squawking middle-class mums who objected to their dairy-intolerant dears having to drink the stuff.
      
      Can’t remember the mums from Castlecliff or Kaiti objecting to free school milk for their kids.
      
      I’m not sure how many primary schools are now on the Fonterra – Milk for schools scheme (or if it is still going)
      http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle_uuid=D90B7AFD-D67A-820F-B1A0-A901C4ED54FE
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:30am
      - MCos
        
        When I was a kid we all got a little bottle of milk free every day.
        Some kids didn’t like it and passed it on to to those of us who did.
        Main problem was it sat outside in those hot Canterbury summer days and didn’t always taste too flash! Some of us put our stash in the swimming pool, which helped a little.
        
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        October 29, 2018 11:00am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        Maggy, school milk was the worst thing there ever was.
        
        Being forced to drink a half pint of sun-warmed milk every school day put me (and many like me) off milk – something I have never got over.
        
        Even now, 50 years later ice cream and cheese are the closest I ever get to milk (although I’m quite partial to the cow).
        
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        October 29, 2018 11:01am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maggy, school milk was the worst thing there ever was.
        
        I loved it… always drank my half pint and any spares.
        In winter at Castlecliff school we were all provided with hot milky cocoa for lunch as well (we had to bring our own mug).
        
        I still drink at least 1 pint of milk/day …have probably cut my daily cheese and butter intake down (expense)… but I do my bit to keep our Dairy farmers in the luxury they deserve.
        
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        October 29, 2018 11:15am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Maybe these schools that have to supply breakfast in the mornings could run classes for the starving children teaching them how to cook porridge, or flog apples from the neighbour’s tree.
  A glass of water from the tap is a great deal cheaper than store bought cola too.
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:26am
  - GoVege
    
    Haha.
    Reminds me of the time I caught a chubby little Island girl pinching a pear off my tree.
    She was petrified I was going to tell her off but I was actually glad to see a kid eating them.
    My ones wouldn’t!
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:13am
- Surely Knott
  
  South Auckland markets have some of the best most affordable produce
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:00pm
Poppa

I see a report that small & medium sized business is having a struggle. Well….who could have seen that coming?

Why can’t this rabble of a Govt see that they are bringing the economy down? Oh yeah that’s right, they have never been in business so have no idea
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October 29, 2018 8:20am
- holysheet
  
  I guess from your comments here, you missed the announcement from the drunken dwarf on “PM selection night”, that capitalism has failed.
  We are trying something else now.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:25am
- Colinxy
  
  We know from the small business working group that the definition of small business includes Fonterra and Air NZ.
  
  When you include these such small businesses, small business is not struggling (yet).
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:29am
  - VicParking
    
    But you have to admit the Fonterra and Air NZ are trying their best to become small business’s
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:58am
    - sooty
      
      Yes, they were once large business’s!
      Never piss someone off on the way up, because you will meet them on the way down!
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:23am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Here’s the story Poppa; small businesses are seeing their revenues decreasing.
  
  As a small business owner, I can confirm that business conditions at the moment are tough, and not unlike 2008-9, when the Global Financial Crisis had us in its grip.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:58am
  - Poppa
    
    Interesting KS.
    
    I am in a small business & deal with many other small businesses & I can say from experience that there is a slowing in activity.
    
    Our phone has gone very quiet, it started about 6 weeks ago & others say the same
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:22am
    - Philview
      
      I agree Poppa, I have had several years of easy debtor management. The last 3 or 4 months have been very stressful with difficulties getting paid. I am starting to question the implications of a severe down turn and what I should do with my future prior to the economy crashing. I like to think it will not happen but it is concerning.
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:13am
- backster
  
  Well help is coming. A small business advisory board has been set up with high powered executives from the likes of Xero and Fonterra to tell the Government what to do.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:16am
Left Right and Centre

Like the fool that I am I turn on TV1 at 6pm.

Leading story is her royal Meghan – she stopped a Fiji walkabout after six minutes into a planned fifteen mins.
Wasn’t feeling 100%
Good to know.

A-a-a-a-nd . . . 6:01pm – let’s see if they’re doing any real news on TV3 !!
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October 29, 2018 8:25am
- hullkiwi
  
  Force of habit there LRC. Gone are the days when Bill Toft, Dougal Stevenson & Phillip Sherry read proper news stories at 6pm on the Network News.
  
  The rot set in when they gave Paul Holmes a prime time slot and it was all down hill from there.
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:32am
kowtow

The media are running a story today to show how racist we are .

Actually the “racist” is clearly a ‘street type’ who probably has mental health issues . A non story , deliberately run to create division and uncertainty in the minds of the stupid who consume the media’s left wing agenda ( Ardern and Green voters )

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/whites-only-racist-tirade-southland-family
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October 29, 2018 8:27am
cmm

The PriNZess has said she wants to support people getting onto the lower rungs of the job market: apprenticeships etc.

Well if that is true, she’s going about it completely the wrong way.

When business confidence tanks, businesses go into short-term thinking mode (aka survival mode). They want experienced staff who are immediately productive. They stay away from junior staff who are less productive, but will be in a year or so.

Even some engineering graduates are having a hard time of it until they get at least three years of industry experience under their belts.

The way to improve the job market for everyone, especially those on the lower end of the career ladder, is to boost business confidence.

PriNZess, you’re making a hash of it. Please stop “helping”.
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October 29, 2018 8:29am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  And, from what I’ve seen of the engineering job market this past year; they want experienced people, but not too experienced (expensive)… Adds typically ask for someone who operates at a senior level (unsupervised), with intermediate experience (3 years), willing to work for junior wages ($60k tops)
  
  The new economic reality, thanks to the COLL.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:46am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” – Ronald Reagan
  Never was a truer word spoken and this CoL is living proof, that wisdom like this, is timeless.
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:12am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “but will be in a year or so.” ‘might be’. Some won’t work out, another risk for the employer.
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:29am
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

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Yes, lets imagine a world WITHOUT MUSLIMS, shall we?
Without Muslims you wouldn’t have:
Coffee
Cameras
Experimental Physics
Chess
Soap
Shampoo
Perfume/spirits
Irrigation
Crank-shaft, internal combustion engine, valves, pistons
Combination locks
Architectural innovation (pointed arch -European Gothic cathedrals adopted this technique as it made the building much stronger, rose windows, dome buildings, round towers, etc.)
Surgical instruments
Anesthesia
Windmill
Treatment of Cowpox
Fountain pen
Numbering system
Algebra/Trigonometry
Modern Cryptology
3 course meal (soup, meat/fish, fruit/nuts)
Crystal glasses
Carpets
Checks
Gardens used for beauty and meditation instead of for herbs and kitchen.
University
Optics
Music
Toothbrush
Hospitals
Bathing
Quilting
Mariner’s Compass
Soft drinks
Pendulum
Braille
Cosmetics
Plastic surgery
Calligraphy…………
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October 29, 2018 8:31am
- cmm
  
  Rubbish.
  
  You are confusing Persians with Muslims. Almost all the inventions credited to Muslims happened long before the Prophet was born.
  
  And most of those claims are bullshit anyway.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:36am
  - Swifty
    
    I became aware of an interesting fact recently.
    
    There are more books translated into Spanish every year, than have been translated into Arabic in the last thousand years.
    
    I wonder why that is?
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:42am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Swifty, seems to be all made up. Sources?
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:03am
      - Swifty
        
        Oh really.
        
        Why do you think it’s all made up?
        
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        October 29, 2018 9:09am
      - sooty
        
        Idiot, go and do your research. Stupid boy.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:27am
      - Swifty
        
        Stiffy, will the Arab Human Development Report and related studies do?
        
        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-harris/three-middle-east-myths-e_b_821537.html
        
        And some more facts:
        
        “Greece — with a population of fewer than 11 million — translates five times as many books from abroad into Greek annually as the 22 Arab countries combined, with a total population of more than 300 million, translate into Arabic.
        
        The UN Human Development Report reveals that only two Egyptians per million people were granted patents, compared to 30 in Greece and 35 in Israel (for Syria, the figure was zero).
        
        Similarly, the adult literacy rate for women aged 15 and older was 43.6 percent in Egypt and 74 percent in Syria, while for the world’s top 20 countries it was nearly 100 percent.”
        
        Et cetera, et cetera ad infinitum.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:34am
  - Swifty
    
    The Islamic world has been the slowest kid in the class for centuries.
    
    This explains it all quite well:
    
    https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/why-the-arabic-world-turned-away-from-science
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:52am
- Swifty
  
  Humans never bathed, cleaned their teeth or played music before the 7th Century?
  
  Well I never knew that.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:37am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Meakerchap is lying: http://islamhelpline.net/node/3700
    
    ‘Why string music forbidden in islam ?
    
    Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.494B Narrated by Abu Amir
    
    that he heard the Prophet (saws) saying, “From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.
    
    Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3153 Narrated by Muhammad ibn Hatib al-Jumahi
    
    The Prophet (saws) said, “The distinction between what is lawful and what is unlawful is the song and the tambourine at a wedding.”
    
    Beloved sister in Islam, if one takes music to mean the melodious sound of the Muaddin while calling to prayer, or the beautiful sound of the Qari when he recites the Holy Quran, or the musical sound of the daff (tambourine) that is played to celebrate ones wedding, or the tunes of chorus sung by the mujahideen, etc.; these are not only permitted, these types of music are absolutely encouraged in Islam.
    
    Thus, music per say is not forbidden in Islam; what is indeed forbidden in Islam is the illegal string music which is so rampant in movies, television, radios, etc. which encourage fahisha and indecency. ‘
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:35am
    - Swifty
      
      Yep, I know.
      
      It’s like the 1000 Islamic Inventions exhibition that has toured the globe over the last decade or two – with much of it thoroughly debunked.
      
      Hell, the English alone have invented far, far more.
      
      This is good, if of interest.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvkBlpfbFJM
      
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      October 29, 2018 1:16pm
- simpleton1
  
  Surgery instruments for example.
  A lot of practice removing peoples heads.
  Much choice of transplants, as sometimes mounds of heads were stockpiled.
  Resuscitation after transplant still to be solved!
  
  Hand transplants also still being practiced.
  Re attachments still proving difficult.
  
  Likewise for feet, though Mohammad did lead the way in all of these things.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:39am
- ldypen
  
  A world without Muslims.. you forgot one, in a world without Muslims we wouldn’t have Islamic terrorists.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:47am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  I’d cut off my cock if it meant a world without muzzies.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:49am
- jcuk
  
  I don’t know what else you have wrong but Muslims didn’t invent Anesthesia which was developed in America and in the UK at the same time by my Great Grandfather Joseph Clover around 1850 onwards and he came from European stock traced back to around AD 1000 living in East Anglia.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:01am
- VicParking
  
  Don’t forget:
  Stoning
  Amputations
  High diving off buildings
  Loose heads lyinging around
  10 year old mothers
  Animals having their throats cut
  Explosive vests
  And “I’ve been to Mecca…”
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:04am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Vic Parking, you can add for appropriate balance,
    
    The Holocaust and Gas Chambers
    
    The Gulags
    
    WWI and WWII
    
    Nuclear Weapons
    
    Chemical and Biological weapons etc etc
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:10am
    - secondcumming
      
      When you’re trying to post comments on KB but you’ve also got *goat grindr* open and you’ve only got 1% battery……. 😛
      
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqcYvU8WkAUQC_c.jpg
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:34am
    - Swifty
      
      Yep, it was Christians for most of those.
      
      But I’d point out that building weapons is more morally defensible that the other things you’ve mentioned.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:53am
- skyblue
  
  You forgot VD from fucking camels.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:17am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    They gave camels VD?
    Cruel bastards.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:00am
- MrTips
  
  IHBTMAYHN: Um…you do realise that the East (Asia) and West (Europe) have been fighting each other for millenia and that many of the so called Muslim inventions you speak of were either 1) already there (Persia/Sumaria/Babylonia) or 2) nicked from the Greeks and Romans.
  
  I believe it was the Prophet who stated “The worst of the narrations is to narrate false history.” No?
  
  And specifically regarding Cowpox, I wasn’t aware Edward Jenner was a Muslim, and neither is any doctor or historian of medicine.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:24am
  - Jazzby
    
    To be exact, Jenner used naturally occurring cowpox virus to create a vaccine against smallpox. The hide from the original cow has hung in my old medical school for well over 250 years. And no: he wasn’t a Muslim!
    
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    October 29, 2018 3:57pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Cause and effect are not 100% clear, but when the West was devoutly Christian and the East was devoutly Islamic, the East definitely did better both scientifically and economically. When the West started to downplay the importance of Christianity it went ahead. There may be a lesson there, but it is not that Islam is inferior to Christianity.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:25am
  - Swifty
    
    Hang on a minute.
    
    While there was an Islamic golden age of several centuries post Mohamed it was followed by even more centuries up until recently of backwardness and primitivism.
    
    You can’t overlook that.
    
    I blame Abu Hamid al-Ghazali myself.
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:43am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      I don’t believe I am overlooking anything. The Bible and the Quran have not changed since the 800+ years when Islamic societies were ahead of Christian ones. What has changed is other factors that are independent of religion.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:46am
      - Swifty
        
        Independent of the words in their books you mean?
        
        Surely not independent of religion.
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:57am
  - Jack5
    
    Nigel, what about Byzantium, the surviving, eastern corner of the Roman Empire. Much of classical Western learning was kept alive there until the Turks conquered it in 1453.
    
    When you say “the East was devoutly Islamic,” surely you mean the Middle East, and don’t refer to China, Japan, India.
    
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    October 29, 2018 1:39pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Compass invented in China 2200 years back, they used it for navigation from around 1000AD, followed by Europeans and then Muslims.
  Windmill: Greek Heron of Alexandria, 1st Century AD, Also wind driven prayer wheels in Tibet from 4th Century AD.
  Trigonometry, Pythagoras, Archimedes, Euclid, Ptolomey figured it all out. all Classical Greek… Chinese figured it out independently.
  Bathing – a pervasive Roman, innovation that made large cities possible through better sanitation that reduced incidence of disease.
  Experimental physics – Archimede’s Eureka moment, understanding of force and levers, calculation of earths diameter, and a ton of other stuff from classical Greek period.
  Irrigation? FFS, people had that figures out 5-10000 years ago.
  Music?? Idiot.
  Cryptology: at least 4000 years old
  Soap 4-5000 years old, well known in Classical Roman times.
  
  Almost everything on that list is bullshit. Desperate stuff from apologists for obvious backwardness of Islam.
  
  Middle eastern muslims were primarily a parasitical culture that survived by skimming/thieving off goods traded between Asia and Europe. They weren’t a source for anything the world wanted or needed, just a highway truck-stop of antiquity. Middle eastern ‘civilisation’ failed and Ottoman empire started to decline when shipping cut them out of the trade – their cultural evolution crippled by stupidity of Islam made them useless and easy to dominate.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:26am
  - Swifty
    
    Harsh but true.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:25am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “The Prophet Mohammed is a descendant on Prophet Abraham through the lineage of Prophet Ismael. ”
  So
  Mohammed, like Christ….BEFORE him, was a JEW.
  Fancy that…who’d a thought, HUH?
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:58am
- Tall Man
  
  Anti civilian bombs, homo base jumping sans parachute, exploding children, hashish (not too bothered about that one), slavery, imposed fantasy worship…and so on.
  
  Fuckwit.
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:27am
- G152
  
  You seem to have left out
  Murder by vehicle
  Murder by knife
  Murder by bomb
  Murder by rifle and hand gun.
  And racist intolerance of all other races and religions
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:55am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Take that back about calligraphy!
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:17am
- Nermal
  
  You forgot:
  Beheading
  Stoning to death
  Throwing off buildings
  Murdering in embassies
  Burkas
  Child brides
  Bacha Bazi dancing boys
  Jihad
  Airplane hijackings
  Fatwas
  Rape gangs
  Chemical weapons against civilians
  Suicide bombers
  Church burnings
  Murdering “blasphemers”
  Murdering apostates
  Honour killings
  Demolition of holy sites
  Female Genital Mutilation
  Slavery
  Sharia
  Piracy
  IEDs
  Car bombs
  Child abductions
  
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  October 29, 2018 3:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Mostly false in that most don’t form Muslim majority Counties Government policies.
    
    FGM is not a Mulsim practice as such. It is in an ancient African tribal practice that persists even in nominally Christian nations like Uganda and Kenya!
    
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    October 29, 2018 3:21pm
waikatosinger

gab.ai is under coordinated attack by the Seattle internet elite. Infowars was just a trial run. Now they are going after internet companies who do not toe the line on enforced limits on free speech. This is very dangerous.
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October 29, 2018 8:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  Google, Apple, Microsoft, Paypal, Stripe, Joyent so far. Gab says they expected to be banned by Facebook and Twitter “soon”.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:42am
- Classic Liberal
  
  The more loonies are forced into echo chambers, the more dangerous they become. Open debate is better: a chance of detoxing their minds and at least some public warning when they threaten to go off the rails.
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:41am
hullkiwi

Over the weekend we were speaking with friends and their son. The conversation turned to what the children are being “taught” about the environment and how it will impact our lives.
The kids are being indoctrinated, rather that taught about these issues. For instance:
1. They are told the demise of single use plastic bags is good, but are not told about the cost to the environment of the alternatives.
2. We all will be driving electric cars, but the children are not told that NZ does not generate enough electricity for current needs without using fossil fuels & what will happen if NZ has to change to powering 4million vehicles with electricity or whether the technology will be such to avoid our transport network grinding to a halt as we try to “refuel” or cars.

Then there is the rubbish children are taught about food, drink and diet.

Teaching NZ’s future generation is one thing, but mindless indoctrination is another matter all together.
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October 29, 2018 8:38am
- waikatogirl
  
  hulkiwi
  Details, details… You can’t expect teachers to understand the ramifications of decision making by their beloved Labour pardy.
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:51am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I forgot to write the child is only a Year 6 primary school child. What is really bad I’d they discourage the kids from questioning this type of dogma dressed up as caring for the environment.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Took my multi use bag to the supermarket. Bought a black pudding..shrink wrapped in a hard plastic then put on a plastic tray then wrapped in plastic wrap. Bought my oranges also in a firm plastic bag, pork roast (felt like a change from the homekill beef and hogget), also double cling wrapped on a plastic tray (sill leaking though so the checkout double bagged it for free.
  
  Onions, bagged in plastic, carrots, bagged in plastic.
  
  It’s all bullshit, we know it, the supermarkets know it but it makes a great headline for the MSM and tossers in the greens and labour.
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:33am
  - Swifty
    
    Agreed.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:58am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  At my local New World I noticed for sale something called a “grocer’s sack” for 20 cents.
  It’s a brown paper bag!
  
  Who do these folk think they’re kidding?
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:34am
  - hullkiwi
    
    My mother use to get those for free with her groceries in the 60s and 70s. As my wife put it is all BS from Liebore/Greens and the supermarkets are happy to go along with it, because they can make money from it!
    
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    October 29, 2018 12:14pm
    - Jules99
      
      Yes, I remember mum getting the groceries home in brown paper bags – they are great for making scary masks. Cut out holes for the eyes and paint/crayon to decorate. A fun and cheap activity to amuse the kids.
      
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      October 29, 2018 2:10pm
- Colinxy
  
  Without Leftist propaganda being taught at school, I doubt the Green Party would exist.
  
  It’s being going on for decades. I remember the Leftist propaganda quite strongly when I was growing up. One social studies teacher even encouraged us they we should vote Labour when we were old enough.
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:21am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And group think hardly needs much lesson planning, a robot could do the teacher’s job cheaper.
  
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  October 29, 2018 12:20pm
secondcumming

In a post this morning,*Whaleoil* maintains the MSM are ‘facing a dilemma’, as to whether or not they should name the *female MP* who reportedly sexted JLR. Cam is saying if they don’t…… *then it may as well be him*.

Well I for one would like to know who it is?
She sounds like my sort of gal 😛
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October 29, 2018 8:57am
- fernglas
  
  If JLR was guilty of inappropriate behaviour as a married MP, and Bennett was prepared to make this known to the public, then it follows that this female MP is also guilty of conduct unbecoming a married MP and the public should be told her name.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:11am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I’m sure she feels badly and extremely embarrassed getting involved with the likes of JLR. I imagine she has learnt a very difficult lesson that won’t be repeated. Is there any benefit or need for the public to be informed of who made a terrible and personal mistake?
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:21am
    - SGA
      
      Yes and no. It depends to what extent she might have taken the high road on issues such as family values while she has been living the lie? Personally, I think that this sort of thing happens and I’m not going to be too judgmental, but I’m not willing to paint her as a “victim” either – she only has herself to blame.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:35am
      - waikatogirl
        
        I’m sure she does regret her decision. It’s easy enough to make STUPID decisions around the opposite sex, or whatever you are attracted to.
        
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        October 29, 2018 4:40pm
    - jonno1
      
      Unfortunately it (allegedly) took 3 years to figure this out. A one night stand might be a little more understandable, albeit still a major breach of wedding vows.
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:32am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Agreed if that was her only ‘crime,’ it was not Jami’s only indiscretion. If his had been confined to that, it wouldn’t have rated a mention, if she was complicit in some of his other dealings, then that is a different matter in my opinion.
      
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      October 29, 2018 12:25pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Didn’t we give up vilifying women for their sexual choices, in the 60’s?
    JLR is NOT being vilified for his sexual choices.
    More like his:
    Lies
    Attempt to destroy people who attempted to help him
    Disloyalty
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:27am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Well you may be that “woke” – but Paula Bennett certainly isn’t above acting like a hypocritical US Democrat in attacking JLR for “conduct unbecoming a married man”.
      
      And as the National party is all for progressive-style, equality of outcome, surely if it’s bad for a male married MP to shag a colleague – then surely the Nats leaders are as equally appalled at a female married MP who shags a colleague?
      
      So yes – it’s exactly the same. And if one married (male) person’s character is destroyed for porking an older female colleague, then surely the married female MP is guilty of the same sin?
      
      And given the deeply horrendous text this MP sent to JLR asking him to end his life – then it’s definitely in the public interest for her name to be out there and to experience what JLR has been put through.
      
      Personally, I think inciting another person to kill themselves is far worse than anything JLR has done.
      
      Honestly, WO has all but named her already given the info he included in the latest article.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:10am
  - waikatosinger
    
    I disagree. Ministers have always had affairs. Unless we are talking about Capil levels of hypocrisy and criminal offending it isn’t any of our business. Private lives should remain private.
    
    The separation between private and public lives is seen as old fashioned these days, but I think it is valuable and worth preserving.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:27am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      National didn’t think JLR’s part in a consensual shag arrangement should remain private – therefore what’s good for the gander has to be good for the goose.
      
      The #MeToo behaviour is crucifying the Democrats leading up to the mid-terms – it looks like National want the same experience by employing the same approach.
      
      I don’t understand what the point of the deny, deny, deny approach is from the blue rinse brigade here – National are needed to save the country – the current leadership are appalling, the voter will see it. Sleepwalking to a repeat of 2017 is a losing strategy.
      
      They need to clean house and get back to the centre right, third rater #MeToo-ers like Soimon and Paula need to be got rid of.
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:48am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      2 words
      DAVID LANGE
      
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      October 29, 2018 12:27pm
- MrTips
  
  YAWN
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:26am
- mara
  
  Invercargil is very nice at this time of year sc.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:33am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I object to someone bringing WO into my safe space.
  If you want to read WO, do it there
  My day is ruined now, and I’ll need counselling and a hug.
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:39am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    #metoo
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:47am
- G152
  
  WO is getting desperate.
  The hate national hasn’t worked and the echo chamber is getting thinner on fact.
  A pity.
  I had hopes that they would be at least pretending to be neutral commentators
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:01am
Sofia

WhaleOil debates in a post this morning whether the female MP in the Jami-Lee Ross saga should be named, although many people already know who it is.

One commenter asks “If her husband can’t trust her, why should the country trust her?”

Another observation is – “… the female MP … represents a conservative electorate, is socially conservative herself and has promoted family values from her first days in Parliament. I think the public should always been told when an MP’s publicly professed values are at sharp variance to their own private behaviour.”

And of course while the Waterhouse Inquiry does not establish without doubt that the original expenses leaker was Ross, it does fit that the female MP could have been, to frame and destroy him.
It would be ironic if the Press Gallery’s baying for Bridges blood (and replacement) partly originates in the scorn of a female MP who accidentally takes him out as collateral damage.

And, of course, all of them are arseholes for distracting from the obscenely brief committee hearing to legitimatise Ardern’s ex-Cabinet decision in banning of further gas exploration, as coal imports are considered to generate power, and the non-existent plan into “the planned transition to a carbon-less future can not even name an estimate of the demands of the electric vehicles they want us to swap to.

That the Opposition is falling apart, instead of doing its job, is criminal in itself.
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October 29, 2018 8:58am
- MrTips
  
  YAWN
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:26am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m with you.
    
    Surely something else must be happening somewhere…..
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:36am
- MCos
  
  If you want to comment on Whaleoil stuff why not make use of the comment facilities provided on his blog or use Twitter for all to see.
  Using this blog to comment on a topic on another blog seems a bit like talking behind Slater’s back.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:46am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Come on, you don’t think he checks this site out pretty thoroughly? So many ex WO commentators abandoned him to come here.
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:50am
- rockape
  
  The same could apply to Whaleoil. If he lied about his rooting why should we trust him?
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:33am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The Tree of Life Synagogue shooter shooter Robert Bowers is a GAB user. An alternative social media totally committed to absolute free speech and those booted off Youtube and Facebook etc.

Her one his posts to get Gab’s flavour

Daily Reminder,

“Diversity means chasing down the last white person.”

Resonate with our Alt right?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6326077/PayPal-bans-social-media-platform-Gab-Pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting.html
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October 29, 2018 9:00am
- All_on_Red
  
  He also uses Facebook
  What’s your point?
  Oh, and Gab banned him. Facebook didn’t.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:14am
  - stephieboy
    
    “Diversity means chasing down the last white person.”
    
    Touch a raw nerve?
    
    “On Gab, an Extremist-Friendly Site, Pittsburgh Shooting Suspect Aired His Hatred in Full”
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/us/gab-robert-bowers-pittsburgh-synagogue-shootings.html
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:17am
    - All_on_Red
      
      No Stephie
      Just showing you up (again) as a fuckwit with no point.
      And don’t call me a racist or I’ll smack your little rat face in.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:21am
    - Harkman
      
      Why don’t you also point out black protesters in South Africa saying they want to exterminate all white people?
      
      BTW the shooter was obviously stupid most Jews are white.
      
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      October 29, 2018 9:52am
  - GoVege
    
    Gab?
    I miss Gabby….
    
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    October 29, 2018 12:09pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  and
  What’s so scary about freedom of speech?
  We let you on here don’t we?
  Definition:
  You are free to say what pleases you.
  We are free to disagree and/or
  Free to ignore you.
  You are free to do the same.
  It’s freedom of action that courses problems, BUT we have laws that make sure there are consequences, for your ACTIONS.
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:17am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    And, if anyone here actually believably threatens violence, it will be public knowledge and can be looked into by the Police.
    
    Safer than an echo chamber.
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:53am
- Tall Man
  
  FFS steffy girl.
  
  Is Ardern a liar?
  
  How many ticks does it need?
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:37am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If “Alt-right” is defined as an pro-ethno-state movement, then I would have to classify the Black Panther as a pro-alt-right movie.
  
  Likewise, many East Asian societies would also qualify as “alt-right” in terms of their support for the continuation of their (historical) ethno-state status.
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:45am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Odakyu-sen, repeat after me: it’s only bad it you’re caucasian. It’s only bad it you’re caucasian. It’s only bad it you’re caucasian.
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:55am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Classic Liberal,
      
      I feel offended by the notion that only white people can be racist. Such an elitist and exclusive line of thinking.
      I suggest that we embrace the diversity of racism in our society. (It’s a multi-polar thing.)
      Instead of “white people are racist towards ____” we need to become more aware of the following.
      
      Group ___ despises group ____ .
      Group ___ despises group ____ .
      Group ___ despises group ____ .
      Group ___ despises group ____ .
      Group ___ despises group ____ .
      Group ___ despises group ____ .
      Group ___ despises group ____ .
      Group ___ despises group ____ .
      etc., etc.
      
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      October 29, 2018 12:27pm
Left Right and Centre

It’s after 9am – and this post is semi-soft, light and fluffy. Dear diary . . .

Decide to visit Turanga library first time. Lots of levels. No escalators. I’m told no need for them they’d just break down most of the time. Overkill staff numbers but I suppose better than Wellington central where they were merely a rumour.
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October 29, 2018 9:04am
- stephieboy
  
  Extraordinary venture to your local library. First, stop literacy collection?
  
  Got lost and gave up?
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Anyone willing to decode the punctuation and meaning of this sentence:
    
    First, stop literacy collection?
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:03am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Nope
      
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      October 29, 2018 10:40am
    - Swifty
      
      It’s got me.
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:00am
    - stephieboy
      
      First, stop literacy collection!
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:26am
      - Tall Man
        
        Idiot…
        
        Is Ardern a liar.
        
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        October 29, 2018 11:34am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Anyone willing to decode the punctuation and meaning of this sentence:
        
        First, stop literacy collection!
        
        Substituting an apostrophe for a question mark does not change the fact that you have still written nonsense.
        
        Let me give you a a couple of clues:
        1. Comma placement/comma use
        2. A verb and a noun are two different parts of speech
        
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        October 29, 2018 12:11pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        First stop,(COMMA GOES HERE) literacy collection!
        DIP STICK!!!!!!
        In fact, you commenting on literacy by using a complete illustration of YOUR ILLITERACY, is, frankly……laughable.
        
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        October 29, 2018 12:34pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        Ralphieboy is, was and will always be ILLITERATE. sigh
        Lolololololo
        
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        October 30, 2018 1:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    Please seek a redirect from labour HQ. Your trite and childish posts do this forum no justice. You are an embarrassment to labour but I guess they need a few dickheads to push the lies around.
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:39am
- RF
  
  So old or infirm people have to clamber up stairs. Any lifts ?
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:44am
  - sooty
    
    Just so they can fall down the stairs and break a hip, arm, leg. Or it could be a plan to keep them on the lower level and dumb!
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:42am
  - Paulus
    
    In Tauranga – yes, there is a working lift.
    
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    October 29, 2018 1:58pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Can Left Right and Centre confirm that the new Turanga Library has NZ’s biggest collection of 18th century Maori literature?
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No,
    I believe it is housed at Tupaia’s Cave, Tolaga Bay
    http://www.teha2019.co.nz/our-stories/heritage-sites/landing-site-uawa-tolaga-bay/
    (assuming that it was Tupaia that carved tahitora into the cliff)
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW , always on hand to make some kind of racist point?
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:38am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        What racist point?
        
        Read Dame Anne Salmond’s “Tears of Rangi”
        
        especially the part where her husband walks up to Tupaia’s cave.
        
        This is the first known example of writing on New Zealand.
        
        Stop being such a stalker and start learning something about NZ’s history.
        
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        October 29, 2018 12:21pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Get a grip.
        
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        October 29, 2018 12:52pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Normally i would give advice to someone that has publicly stalked & defamed Maggy W on multiple occasions to sort their nasty shit out and stop embarrassing themselves but in you case Stephy seeing your ass handed to you on a daily basis really is quite entertaining keep up the shit work old chap
        
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        October 29, 2018 1:52pm
      - Swifty
        
        I give up.
        
        What an idiot.
        
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        October 29, 2018 2:43pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I see stephieboy’s accusation that I was making a racist remark has disappeared off the blog.
      
      As has my comment that he needs to read Anne Salmond’s ‘Tears of Rangi”,
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:30pm
RW Capitalist

On the picture of the line up (TV3)next to Megan (I suppose Windsor, now), Jacinda and then Ms Waiteri….sick joke?
So the reward for NOT assaulting your staff today is, a photo op?
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October 29, 2018 9:13am
- Rachael Membery
  
  No Clarke?
  
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  October 29, 2018 1:07pm
  - Paulus
    
    Clarke – done a bunk – so early, but not unexpected.
    
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    October 29, 2018 2:00pm
JibberJabber

Immigration pro tips,
Instant citizenship, rip up ur passport flush down the plane shitter.
Not quite instant citizenship,
Import drugs, be a general arsehole, have info the gummint wants kept quiet.
The long road to citizenship, lie on ur application, form political party to influence legal system.
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October 29, 2018 9:16am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Remarkably similar profile to those left on Manus Island?
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:29am
lastmanstanding

Heard of Deemed Income. Thought not. The Tax Working Group and the Government do.

It works like this.
You own a family bach have done for generations. You go there doing the year especially at Xmas New Year and let family and friends use it.

You don’t rent it so don’t get any cash income.

Tough Shit. You will taxed on a deemed income the bach would make if you rented out or on an arbitrary amount of say 5% of its value Every Year.

Say the bach is worth $500,000 a lot are in desirable locations and not owned by Rich Pricks as they were bought many years ago.

You will pay tax on $25000 at your marginal tax rate up to 33% if you earn more than $70,000 In Total for the year including the bach “Income”

A lot of baches rent for $500 $1000 a night over the holiday period. So you will be taxed on that basis.

Remember the bach was purchased out of Tax Paid Income.

If you sell say to buy a bigger bach you will pay tax on the Capital Gain again at your marginal tax rate.

Can you see how this Government wants to destroy the traditional Kiwi way of life and impose its outter space version.
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October 29, 2018 9:16am
- SGA
  
  Can you see how this Government wants to destroy the traditional Kiwi way of life and impose its outter space version.
  
  Putting aside the Government and Captial Gains Tax, etc, for a second – more a curiosity question. A generation or two ago, the bach at the beach was not uncommon. My sense is that this is quite a bit rarer these days, and already largely has passed out of “traditional Kiwi way of life”. But maybe that’s just a reflection of my experiences, and that aspect of Kiwi life is as healthy as it always was.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:27am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I was told that the Kiwi dream is “BBB.”
    
    Boat
    Bach
    BMW
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:47am
    - SGA
      
      lol – who told you that?
      As I think about it, I think the old RRB description of NZ has become a bit dated too.
      
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      October 29, 2018 11:56am
      - hullkiwi
        
        That is Saturday shopping and playing rugby to overkill and late at night for you
        
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        October 29, 2018 12:19pm
- Poppa
  
  I do own a bach at the beach & it will grind my gears if I have to pay a cent to this rabble of losers for the fact of owning it.
  
  They can try but I expect that alone will bring them down
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:30am
  - Komata
    
    Poppa
    
    Perhaps, but given the CoL’s ‘way with words’ and their media mates abilities, you’ll probably find that it will be spun to make YOU look like the villian, and that the ‘sheeples’ will completely approve of any actions that the CoL takes to bring you down from your ‘Capitalist’ high horse.
    
    A B.Comms from UoW would seem to have its uses after all…
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:10am
- tf78
  
  Their policy looks to make Bookabach or Airbnb more popular so people will have the income from them to pay the taxes. Could people put their baches in multiple family names on the title to reduce the overall value as each person would only have a minority share, if that makes sense.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:33am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Remember, the bach then becomes a business and has much higher rates.
    
    Also, the review of the Residential Tenancy Act wants to put far greater burdens on landlords. Some of this could apply to bach landlords.
    
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    October 29, 2018 12:01pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The more insidious thing they are considering is:
  CGT on UNREALIZED income.
  So if your batch increases in value (and you haven’t sold it) you will be taxed at the CGT rate on “income” as if you had earned it.
  Say your batch rises 10% in value (ie $50 000), CGT rate is 15% so tax is $7500.
  “You will pay tax on $25000 at your marginal tax rate up to 33% if you earn more than $70,000 In Total for the year including the bach “Income””
  Plus $7500 CGT
  So on your cash income you will be paying out
  33% of $25000 = $8333
  Unrealized CGT = $7500
  TOTAL tax………….$15833
  our tax re your batch has nearly doubled.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    CGT is a total con. A house is only worth a similar house – any so-called increase in value is nothing but *inflation*.
    
    So, they want us to be paying tax on inflation.
    
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    October 29, 2018 12:03pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Yes
      What they are not saying.
      If you buy your house for $500 000
      Sell it 5yrs later for $600 000
      The money you get will only get a house, EXACTLY the same as the one you have, in a similar area.
      ie you have GAINED nothing.
      
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      October 29, 2018 12:38pm
      - Disillusioned_Voter
        
        Yes.
        You only realise gains if you down size….
        Like when you retire or, the kids leave and you don’t need 4 bedrooms anymore and you want to unlock some capital to like, y’know… Live.
        
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        October 29, 2018 1:14pm
  - Paulus
    
    Wait until they put this unrealised CGT on our houses. That is the real target not batches.
    Any other way does not make sense.
    
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    October 29, 2018 2:03pm
- Rich Prick
  
  If Labour wants to tax us Rich Pricks on deemed income then I have a brilliant idea. Let’s tax beneficiaries on their deemed income had they got out of bed and gone to work. We can’t have them missing out on all the fun.
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:47am
  - sooty
    
    They all could have been millionaires, if only.
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:49am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Someone put it to me once
      The uselessness of Socialism
      “If you took all the money in the world and distributed exactly evenly. Withing 6 months it would all be back where it is now”
      A failure to admit that the money is where it is, because of the actions of the people, both those that have it and those that don’t.
      
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      October 29, 2018 12:42pm
Surely Knott

Prohibition doesn’t work for drugs so we must make them legal apparently….but prohibition will for fireworks so we must ban them?! Auckland Council consultation on now – they want to ban private fireworks. And they want to remove the bylaw specifically banning begging. Have your say here http://engage.ubiquity.co.nz/surveys/49klzhc3q_k4h30j13c3531tc00b4bby4pr2q7v4lpbjknp4r475cz78p180
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October 29, 2018 9:28am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Prohibition doesn’t work for drugs so we must make them legal apparently”
  The war on drugs hasn’t worked because we are not really fighting it like a war.
  If we did.
  We would be spraying week killer on all Opium, cocaine and Marijuana.
  We would be sinking all smuggling boats
  Death penalty for smugglers
  LONG jail sentences for dealers/ producers/manufactures
  Proper rehab for users
  
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  October 29, 2018 9:43am
Hugh Pavletich

Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Catherine Harris | Stuff.co.nz

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/links-29-october-2018/#comment-3213604

Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Catherine Harris | Stuff.co.nz
… note comments volume …

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator

Tightening bank lending is leading to a property crunch in Australia and it could also happen here, a housing commentator says.

Christchurch-based Hugh Pavletich of the housing thinktank Demographia says reports of Sydney and Melbourne houses losing $1000 a week are a result of rising interest rates and the Australian banking inquiry, making banks ultra-cautious.

Pavletich said that in Australia, the housing bubble was bursting. “The days of high multiple-lending are over”. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Millennials ditching the Big Smoke for the regions … Brittany Keogh … Sunday Star Times / Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108033743/millennials-ditching-the-big-smoke-for-the-regions?cid=app-iPad
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Why are New Zealand homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados | Charlie Gates | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados
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Govt criticised for moving slowly on Auckland growth boundary | Michael Daly | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105295016/govt-criticised-for-moving-slowly-on-auckland-growth-boundary
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … The Kiwibuild Housing Hoax … Mike Hosking explains …
  
  Mike Hosking: KiwiBuild has gone off the rails … NewstalkZB
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/opinion/mike-hosking-kiwibuild-has-gone-off-the-rails/
  
  … Jenna Lynch of Newshub outlines The Treasury report …
  
  KiwiBuild ‘not aimed at low-income families’ – Phil Twyford | Newshub
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/kiwibuild-not-aimed-at-low-income-families-phil-twyford.html
  
  … Recently Mike Hosking praised the Government for its future Auckland Urban Development Authority …
  
  Mike Hosking: Housing Minister Phil Twyford right to bulldoze his way through councils … NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118208
  
  … as did Michael Barnett of the Auckland Business / Chamber of Commerce …
  
  Urban Development Authority a long overdue initiative … Auckland Business Chamber of Commerce | Scoop News
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1808/S00741/urban-development-authority-a-long-overdue-initiative.htm
  
  … Why osnt the above issue being treated with urgency ?
  
  … Recently … Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure NZ explained why new Kiwibuild housing should be built for $300k … not $650k …
  
  How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
  
  … back mid 2016 … both National and Labour agreed artificial urban limits must be abolished …
  
  Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
  
  … How much longer do we have to endure political buffoonery with housing issues Prime Minister Ardern and Housing Minister Twyford ?
  
  … Does the Labour – led Coalition Government actually care ?
  
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  October 29, 2018 5:25pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    A doctor among the first KiwiBuild buyers is a sign of the state of NZ’s housing market.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108187032/kiwibuild-not-for-lowincome-families-says-housing-minister?cid=app-iPad
    
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    October 29, 2018 7:22pm
Chuck Bird

Judith’s retweet

Judith Collins
‏Verified account @JudithCollinsMP
2h2 hours ago

How long before this man is putting his name down for a KiwiBuild house? #JustSaying Immigration Minister ‘under threat’ after granting foreign drug importer NZ residency – Mark Mitchell
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October 29, 2018 9:56am
EAD_TWO

Absolutely heart breaking tragedy over the weekend.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1037380/Leicester-helicopter-crash-Gary-Lineker-reaction-Vichai-Srivaddhanaprabha-King-Power
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October 29, 2018 10:27am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, the Helicopters owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha significant “?
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:36am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    In the sense that he’s provided far more jobs, opportunities etc. to the world than you ever will, yes.
    Christ you’re a despicable bastard.
    
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    October 29, 2018 1:31pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      or this govt…..far more jobs than this govt.
      
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      October 29, 2018 5:41pm
  - sam green
    
    FFS stephieboy – you really are a cock.
    
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    October 29, 2018 4:22pm
DifferentPerspective

Hillary won the popular vote – Tui ad

In one US state – Ohio – 1.5 million illegal voters registered!

Judge has smacked down an attempt to re-instate these dodgy illegal voters.

This is why the Democrats are so against voter ID and anything that properly regulates voting in the US – because it’s the only way they can win – by cheating!
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October 29, 2018 10:42am
- sooty
  
  Sounds just like our Labour party!
  
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  October 29, 2018 10:51am
- stephieboy
  
  DP , ah yes from the” ever trustworthy “Judicial Watch
  
  Speaks volumes!
  
  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/judicial-watch/
  
  and,
  
  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/judicial-watch/
  
  Enough said !
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Talking of trustworthy…
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:36am
  - KevOB
    
    Those who have fixed viewpoint don’t avoid cesspits.
    
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    October 29, 2018 3:03pm
Tauhei Notts

I wonder if I am alone in finding the obsequious reporting of the royal tour to be just a little annoying.
Hey! I am no republican. 11th November 1975 in Aussie showed how important royalty is to our constitution.
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October 29, 2018 10:57am
- holysheet
  
  Don’t use your anti-vomit pills just yet. Wait until the Baaaaybeeeee is revealed and the media are awash with gushing vomit inducing crap.
  
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  October 29, 2018 12:17pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I don’t equate the two events at all. Meghan isn’t a politician, and she wasn’t economic with the truth about her ability to do a job that is to govern NZ not have a baby. Meghan’s job was to provide Harry with an heir, which she has done in a good timely fashion.
    
    Perhaps their eagerness to get on with the job was why their wedding was prioritized in the family calendar.
    
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    October 29, 2018 1:19pm
Jack5

The extent continues to expand of the mass rape of English children by Pakistanis.

The smug upper classes, the police, the social welfare bureaucracy showed appalling disregard for these kids. If they had been non-white, the media would have been on to it long ago and have whipped up indignation.

If I were an ethnic Pakistani in Britain, I would Anglicise my name, abandon Islam, and blend in before the backlash grows. It will be against negligent police and social workers as well as against Pakistanis.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6324297/Girl-15-conceived-son-rape-held-sex-slave.html
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October 29, 2018 11:03am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , tell us the percentage of the UK Pakistani population committing these alledged offences for some balance and perspective?
  
  Say 000.2%? or is it 100%?
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:29am
  - Tall Man
    
    Steffy girl….
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What % of a population raping young girls is acceptable to you, stephieboy?
    
    Does it have to reach 5% or 10% before you become a little bit concerned?
    
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    October 29, 2018 11:38am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, none at all. But don’t you think it is useful to know that not all Pakistani Males are doing child rape?
      
      Or is that irrelevant?
      
      https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/grooming-gangs-quilliam-the-myth-of-the-84-percent-cc834b57fcf3
      
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      October 29, 2018 2:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Do you understand what a strawman argument is, stephieboy?
        
        I have never stated that all Pakistani men are rapists of little children. I do not believe I have ever written here that the UK child- gang rapists were Pakistani…That is YOUR label of these men.
        
        It is you that brought up the 100%.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/general_debate_29_october_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2345035
        
        However, it is an advance that you now realise terrible crimes were allowed to go unheeded, unreported and disbelieved for years in Labour-held cities throughout the UK.
        
        It was because the victims were poor working-class girls that they were ignored.
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/21/observer-view-child-grooming-gangs-huddersfield
        
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        October 29, 2018 5:14pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Too many, I don’t care what the % is.
    
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    October 29, 2018 1:25pm
- GoVege
  
  They also ignored the abuse of Muslim women by their families.
  
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  October 29, 2018 12:06pm
Manolo

Brazil’s Bolsonaro is close to electoral victory and the “progressive” Left cannot hide its disappointment:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/28/jair-bolsonaro-on-brink-of-victory-in-brazil-as-fears-for-democracy-grow
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October 29, 2018 11:31am
- emmess
  
  He has won.
  Awesome!
  
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  October 29, 2018 12:17pm
- hullkiwi
  
  He has been declared the winner and the BBC headline it as”Far Right Candidate wins Brazil’s election”.
  
  “Far Right Candidate” is this now the the new description for anybody to the right of a marxist/socialist/Labour apologist excuse for a politician?
  
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  October 29, 2018 12:29pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    The BBC has gone downhill in the last few years, transgender quotas recently are just more proof of how far they’ve gone.
    Such a shame, they used to be for the most part, nonpartisan.
    
    Congratulations to Bolsonaro! Make Brazil great again!
    
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    October 29, 2018 12:40pm
  - stigie
    
    Yes
    
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    October 29, 2018 1:36pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, and other alt righters, so his Pro-Torture and Anti-Gay stance is something to be applauded?
  
  https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/jair-bolsonaro-elected-far-right-pro-torture-anti-gay-candidate-easily-wins-brazil-presidential-election.html
  
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  October 29, 2018 2:36pm
- Huevon
  
  There is going to be massive bloodshed. This guy might be Brazil’s Trump, but when Latin America goes to the Right it means death squads. Granted, most of the people who are about to be shot will be criminals but there will be political score settling too.
  
  Best avoid the place for the next 6 to 12 months….
  
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  October 29, 2018 3:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    My neighbour’s son booked his family’s one-way ticket back to NZ last week.
    
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    October 29, 2018 5:17pm
dave_c_

“Alcohol tax could save lives, say university researchers” being reported today.
My own research indicates “Halve the number of leeching MP’s from parliament and things will get better”
I’sure, that without a doubt, there is no way anyone can tell whose research is more reliable ! (sarc)
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October 29, 2018 11:31am
- Tall Man
  
  Dave..of course you are more reliable 🙂
  
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  October 29, 2018 11:38am
- Colinxy
  
  Took me a while to realise you meant tax alcohol more…since alcohol is already highly taxed.
  
  Taxing alcohol more is one of the more stupider ideas, since brewing (or distilling) alcohol is incredibly simple and cheap. If the government is so dumb to go down this route, they’ll collect even less tax from it and without reducing alcohol.
  
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  October 29, 2018 12:39pm
- Longknives
  
  Yeah I saw one Academic from Otago University on TV saying she hoped the Government ‘Doubled the price’ of Alcohol to ‘Counter it’s Social Harm’ blah blah…
  
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  October 29, 2018 2:08pm
  - sooty
    
    Sourfaced harridan!
    
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    October 29, 2018 5:26pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  With this govt. we all have too much blood in the alcohol system.
  We all need to go out and get drunk.
  
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  October 29, 2018 5:50pm
Happychappy

According to radio red their poll of polls has the Coalition well placed for the next Election. This is just another excuse for the Media to pump up their choice for the next Election and help persuade our foreign population to fall in behind the show pony. Their is major concerns about this Government and the Media are part of the problem with their only interest being promoting Jacinda and the baby instead of holding them to account for their corrupt decisions.
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October 29, 2018 12:32pm
MH

Judith Collins was heard whistling and through a sign language te reo expert I was able to capture her mouthing these lyrics sans macro

Simon Bridge is falling down,
Falling down, falling down,
Simon Bridge is falling down,
My fair lady.

Build him Up With Sticks and Stones,
Sticks and Stones,
Sticks and Stones.
Build him Up With Sticks and Stones,
My Fair Lady.

Build him Up With Wood and Clay,
Wood and Clay Wood and Clay,
Build him Up With Wood and Clay,
My Fair Lady.

Build me Up With Iron and Steel,
Iron and Steel,
Iron and Steel,
Build an old maggy Thatcher deal,
My Fair Lady.

Iron and Steel Will Bend and Bow,
Bend and bow
He’ll have to go,
Bend and Bow,
He’ll have to go,
My Fair Lady.

Built him up with silver and gold,
Silver and gold, silver and gold,
Built him up with 2 cheques so old,
My fair lady.

Golden cheques I have none,
I have none, I have none,
Over $100,000 it such a small sum
My husband also has some,
My fair lady.

Build him Up With Bricksbats from Shaw,
Brickbats from Shaw,
Bricks So Sure,
Build him Up With Bricks from Shaw,
My Fair Lady.

I Will Stand For Ever More,
Ever More,
Ever More,
I Will Stand For Ever More,
My Fair Lady.
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October 29, 2018 1:33pm
- MH
  
  perhaps you’d all prefer Bridge over troubled waters ?
  
  When you’re weary, feeling small
  When tears are in your eyes, I’ll dry them all (all)
  I’m on your side, oh, when times get rough
  And friends just can’t be found
  
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  October 29, 2018 2:25pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    A horse is a horse,
    Of course, of course.
    And no one would vote for a horse, of course….
    
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    October 29, 2018 6:32pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Who’s 5 year old came up with this?
  
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  October 29, 2018 5:52pm
MCos

Quote of the day from some little bugger who met Mrs Prince Harry
“I imagined she [Markle] would be really pretty and kind, and she was kind.”
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October 29, 2018 1:39pm
rangitoto

Thylacoleo Carnifex victim of climate change. Must have been all those cars and factories pumping out CO2.

“Thylacoleo was likely the victim of the drying out of Australia, which began about 350,000 years ago.
…….
The animals survived even past the influx of humans to the continent roughly 60,000 years ago. Ultimately, the loss of forest habitats likely led to the extinction of these predators, with the last known record sometime between approximately 35 and 45 thousand years ago.”

http://www.geologypage.com/2018/10/climate-change-the-likely-killer-of-australian-marsupial-lion.html?fbclid=IwAR2hn_-6zFvOedE2DGa9Pk1ahnEV9054rIpnf7qK4gjPjfa90su4amdvHTQ
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October 29, 2018 1:55pm
- Longknives
  
  I’m fairly sure Rich Old White Men were to blame….
  
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  October 29, 2018 2:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

British households have paid out £101.5m this year to Wind farms to NOT produce electricity.

https://www.ref.org.uk/ref-blog/345-uk-wind-constraint-payments-reach-new-and-exceptional-levels
What a scambo!
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October 29, 2018 2:08pm
- MH
  
  taking the sales out of their wind
  
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  October 29, 2018 2:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  Does this dismay you, MW?
  
  Renewable energy
  
  “Renewable technologies use natural energy to make electricity. Fuel sources include wind, wave, marine, hydro, biomass and solar. It made up 24.5% of electricity generated in 2016 – this will rise as the UK aims to meet its EU target of generating 30% of its electricity from renewable sources by 2020.”
  
  https://www.energy-uk.org.uk/energy-industry/electricity-generation.html
  
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  October 29, 2018 2:58pm
  - Poppa
    
    Wow 25% Steph!!
    
    What about the other 75%??
    
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    October 29, 2018 3:37pm
  - Inandout
    
    Wind sometimes, wave doubtful, solar in sunny UK. Coal and nuclear are far more efficient.
    
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    October 29, 2018 3:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Does this dismay you, MW?
    
    Not at all, stephieboy
    
    The English & Welsh are paying the Scots to house their unproductive, subsidised windfarms.
    
    Every day the UK grid can’t cope, the Scottish windfarmers get a payout….
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/too-much-wind-shocks-electric-bill-payers-lcgw3cwpz
    
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    October 29, 2018 3:51pm
  - Fletch
    
    And do you know how much of the world’s energy has been supplied by wind turbines according to the latest figures from 2014? Not even 1%.
    
    Here’s a quiz; no conferring. To the nearest whole number, what percentage of the world’s energy consumption was supplied by wind power in 2014, the last year for which there are reliable figures? Was it 20 per cent, 10 per cent or 5 per cent? None of the above: it was 0 per cent. That is to say, to the nearest whole number, there is still no wind power on Earth.
    
    The amount of windmills you’d need, the miles you’d need to cover, the amount of concrete and steel you’d need, just isn’t feasible.
    
    Even in rich countries playing with subsidised wind and solar, a huge slug of their renewable energy comes from wood and hydro, the reliable renewables. Meanwhile, world energy demand has been growing at about 2 per cent a year for nearly 40 years. Between 2013 and 2014, again using International Energy Agency data, it grew by just under 2,000 terawatt-hours.
    
    If wind turbines were to supply all of that growth but no more, how many would need to be built each year? The answer is nearly 350,000, since a two-megawatt turbine can produce about 0.005 terawatt-hours per annum. That’s one-and-a-half times as many as have been built in the world since governments started pouring consumer funds into this so-called industry in the early 2000s.
    
    At a density of, very roughly, 50 acres per megawatt, typical for wind farms, that many turbines would require a land area greater than the British Isles, including Ireland. Every year. If we kept this up for 50 years, we would have covered every square mile of a land area the size of Russia with wind farms. Remember, this would be just to fulfil the new demand for energy, not to displace the vast existing supply of energy from fossil fuels, which currently supply 80 per cent of global energy needs.
    
    It gets worse. Wind turbines, apart from the fibreglass blades, are made mostly of steel, with concrete bases. They need about 200 times as much material per unit of capacity as a modern combined cycle gas turbine. Steel is made with coal, not just to provide the heat for smelting ore, but to supply the carbon in the alloy. Cement is also often made using coal. The machinery of `clean’ renewables is the output of the fossil fuel economy, and largely the coal economy.
    
    A two-megawatt wind turbine weighs about 250 tonnes, including the tower, nacelle, rotor and blades. Globally, it takes about half a tonne of coal to make a tonne of steel. Add another 25 tonnes of coal for making the cement and you’re talking 150 tonnes of coal per turbine. Now if we are to build 350,000 wind turbines a year (or a smaller number of bigger ones), just to keep up with increasing energy demand, that will require 50 million tonnes of coal a year. That’s about half the EU’s hard coal-mining output.
    
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/wind-turbines-are-neither-clean-nor-green-and-they-provide-zero-global-energy/#
    
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    October 29, 2018 4:10pm
    - nasska
      
      Don’t confuse our green friends with facts about wind power Fletch. Data, evidence & reality just confuse things.
      
      It’s all about feelz, fluffy little bunnies & warm fuzzy sensations in the tummy.
      
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      October 29, 2018 4:40pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Meh, the resources wind turbines represent aren’t a big deal. Question is: are they economic without subsidy. Answer: Rarely.
      
      But if you floated 100000 of them in the very windy southern ocean making liquid hydrogen to be collected by ship every few months you could probably provide for most of the worlds transport energy needs without pissing off any Nimbys.
      
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      October 29, 2018 8:40pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    No
    They are made of
    Steel (coal is burned)
    Copper
    Rare earth metals
    Gold (contacts), (toxic extraction methods)
    Plastic
    etc
    
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    October 29, 2018 5:57pm
stigie

“It’s all about feelz, fluffy little bunnies & warm fuzzy sensations in the tummy.”

When you have an electric car and refuse to use the triple use plastic supermarket bags, that’s all you need Nasska..?
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October 29, 2018 5:08pm
- Tall Man
  
  12 bagged veges (veges with 12 bags not 12 veges with 1 bag 🙂 )
  , meat and fruit. Yep, the turtles will be fine…..
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:39pm
nasska

They’ll prise the keys to my V8 Landcruiser ute from my cold dead hands stigie.

And I’m prepared for the plastic shopping bag ban. I’ve bought a few jute sugar bags that the purse lipped harridans at the local supermarket can fill for me! ?
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October 29, 2018 5:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What type of idiot thought e-scooters on City footpaths would be a good idea?
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/369730/number-of-e-scooter-acc-claims-rises-to-38
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October 29, 2018 5:23pm
- Tall Man
  
  Labour Councillor….
  
  WTF is wrong with the spellchecker on this blog
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:41pm
stigie

“Just one week was allowed for public hearings as it was rammed through parliament’s Environment Select Committee. As we said in our submission:” “That you attempt to rush it through gives the impression you are not proud of what you are doing.”

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/29-10-2018/if-the-oil-and-gas-ban-is-really-a-good-idea-why-are-they-rushing-it-through/
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October 29, 2018 5:46pm
- stigie
  
  Jones is thinking….What the fuck have i done !!
  
  https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/s/e/z/3/8/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240×700.1sf04l.png/1540784896203.jpg
  
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  October 29, 2018 6:47pm
  - howitis
    
    Looking at that photo with 3 pies in there…
    
    Woods has enough ‘stored energy’ to power Palmerston North for 3 years.
    After that she would be a svelte size 8.
    
    It’s called ‘alternative energy sources 🙂
    
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    October 29, 2018 10:12pm
Ross12

It is bad enough that Soros via his various organisations is funding illegal immigration ( both from Central America into the US and Africa into the EU ) but now we find the UN is working with them on the “caravan” heading to the US

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/leaked-documents-prove-soross-open-society-is-working-with-un-in-supporting-current-illegal-migrant-crisis/
I hope the UN has a plan B for where it’s HO could be.
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October 29, 2018 6:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If the (New York-based) US is found to be encouraging an “invasion” of the US, wouldn’t the US be within its rights to evict the UN from Manhattan? (The new Manhattan Project.)
  
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  October 29, 2018 6:40pm
- nasska
  
  ….”I hope the UN has a plan B for where it’s HO could be.”…..
  
  The United Nations, like the League of Nations before it, has outlived its purpose & usefulness. It is too weak & fractured to stop all but the smallest hostilities yet is being used as a platform to establish a totalitarian world government.
  
  It needs to be gutted or preferably disbanded. If the former then a new HQ could be sited anywhere the real estate is cheap & the climate shitty.
  
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  October 29, 2018 6:54pm
  - MrTips
    
    Westport then?
    
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    October 29, 2018 7:59pm
    - nasska
      
      I was thinking of Dunedin, Tierra del Fuego or Invercargill but your suggestion has merit.
      
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      October 29, 2018 8:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t think we want anyone connected with the UN anywhere in our country.
        https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jan/18/sexual-assault-and-harassment-rife-at-united-nations-staff-claim
        
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        October 29, 2018 8:24pm
      - howitis
        
        Maggie.
        Is that why the Commie Chick has run sex camps under her watch….in order to ‘prove’ she is a right fit for the UN litter box?
        
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        October 29, 2018 10:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Narnia….
      
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      October 29, 2018 8:44pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah and somewhere closer to the majority of UN countries. Like Eritrea
    
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    October 29, 2018 8:35pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/this-is-obviously-a-citrus-tree-pm-responds-to-mischievous-comments-about-kiwibuild-gift.html

They should have known the “rest of the family…” wouldn’t have let it go if it was a happy plant.
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October 29, 2018 6:21pm
nasska

Mohammed was looking depressed so I asked him what was wrong?

“My wife’s going through “the change” & to be honest I’m just not finding her attractive any more.”

“What, menopause ?”

“No, puberty.”
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October 29, 2018 8:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sicko…I spilled my vodka you prick 🙂
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:25pm
EAD_TWO

Anybody else having problems logging into their gab account?

Just went to log in and it looks like the whole site has been taken down.
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October 29, 2018 8:42pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Gab has lost its Host
  Check out their Twitter account, it’s all on there
  
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    Many thanks AOR
    
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    October 29, 2018 9:04pm
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A prick was one word that Reddy never ever called you Nasska, but there were worse by the time he departed Kiwiblog !~
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  I reckon that “progressive, hillbilly, sister loving, homosexual, marxist, leftist scum” pretty much covered it stigie. 🙂
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:56pm
The Heat

Now that Clarkie has flown the nest and gone back to his fishing gig, who will nanny Neve?

Might I suggest one of the Manus Island refugees? I’m sure at least one of the males could use the gig.

And if not, why not?
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  Poor little Squirrel!
  
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  October 29, 2018 8:59pm
Tall Man

Come on people.. Keep the pressure on. Don’t let these liars walk away.
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October 29, 2018 9:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

… Australian Household Debt Flashes Red in Morgan Stanley Report – Bloomberg …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/links-30-october-2018/#comment-3214483 … and …

Australian Household Debt Flashes Red in Morgan Stanley Report – Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-29/australian-household-debt-flashes-red-in-morgan-stanley-report

Australia’s economy is most at risk in the developed world from household debt reduction because of weak house prices and potential tax changes that could curb property investments, according to Morgan Stanley.

That’s the conclusion from the bank’s Household Deleveraging Risk Indicator, which looks at relative debt and structural weaknesses. The study of the world’s 10 leading developed economies puts Sweden and Canada as the second-most at risk, followed by Norway. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Catherine Harris | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
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