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duggledog

Man it is revealing watching Jacinda V Simon in the House. They chuck the verbal back and forth but whereas Simon sits down after an exchange with a pretty genial smile, Jacinda dumps herself back in her seat, narrows her eyes, sets her jaw and looks at him with pure hatred.

I want everyone who can be bothered to watch a feisty exchange between Simon and Jacinda in the House, but turn the sound off.

Cindy takes it personally. She needs to control herself and not make it look so obvious she is being rattled because whilst nobody watches Parliament TV, heaps of people watch the TV debates.
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October 27, 2018 8:03am
- GazzaW
  
  Bridges really took it to her this week and she didn’t like it one little bit. He then backed up with a brilliant hardhitting address in the General Debate.
  
  The Government front bench was an utter shambles this week and I’m sure that the rot started with Ardern’s fumbling responses to Bridges’ first question on Tuesday.
  
  More of the same please Simon. Much more.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:13am
  - flipper
    
    But it is unreasonable to expect WOHB and the MSM to spot the body language, is it not?
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:24am
    - sooty
      
      Ah! The resting bitch face. Don’t you love it.
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:10am
      - Tall Man
        
        The face is a window to the soul.
        
        That means, bitch inside and outside.
        
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        October 27, 2018 2:20pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Right sooty with another two weeks of OQT to come. While it has been common for the PM to miss Thursdays for other engagements the silly little girl has to create some sort of event to keep her away. Last was a picnic or some such for as we might expect young children. Now that’s open and transparent for you by showing the country where her comfort zone is. She might also be the weakest link in the COL chain as seen by the “declaration” in the house on killing RFT for other regions. Priceless.
        
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        October 27, 2018 4:11pm
  - lifesgood
    
    It was a wonder to behold. I wish the anti Bridges brigade on KB would watch it, but they probably won’t…minds made up etc.
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He was a joy to watch. Not just his excellent performance, assassin with a smile, but the general collapse of Ardern’s posturing.
      
      You’re right though, lefties won’t watch because they already know That “everything in the world” is Sir John Key’s fault. Without realising it they are elevating his achievements to god like status.
      
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      October 27, 2018 2:24pm
      - kiwibird
        
        A “ performance” is not want I seek in a politician. That they serve as the majoritys’ “voice” in parliament, yes. That they have integrity and humility, yes.
        Too many in this lot (opposition) are tainted; they have lost my trust and respect.
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:16pm
- calendar girl
  
  Ardern thinks that, as PM, she and her comments in Parliament are entitled to greater respect and acceptance. She shows her personal feelings of antagonism at every stage, and would be a hopeless poker player.
  
  She might find that being more candid with Parliament, and with the country at large, could relieve some of the pressure that she’s struggling to handle.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:20am
- cmm
  
  I think the word you are looking for might be petulant.
  
  She’s really just a stroppy teen.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:21am
  - DigNap15
    
    I hope she does not change.
    That way the electorate might finally see through her!
    Somehow we need to get these clips watched a whole lot more!
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:08am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Could they somehow be put on the labour party facebook page?
      
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      October 27, 2018 2:24pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Over the years I have employed a few young women like her. You sit them down and explain that the worlds tough and sometimes everything doesn’t go your way and that you have to ride it out gracefully because just a you meet people on the way up you will also meet them on the way down and they will remember.
    This generation just doesn’t have the patience and tolerance and the grace to engage. They are all about themselves not others. It look at me look at me.
    Sad really.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:36am
    - dog_eat_dog
      
      While we’re making stupid generalisations based on age, it could be because the previous generations before them have tilted everything in their favour and refuse to accept that things like housing being 3x more expensive relative to earnings can be gotten around with ‘hard work’, yet still feel entitled to a state pension regardless of how well off they are.
      
      Funny how the response is to blame the parents for everything but how entitled younger people are. Maybe boomers and Gen Xers were just shit parents?
      
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      October 27, 2018 12:38pm
      - lastmanstanding
        
        My 2 turned out to be great adults. I wont be held responsible for the shit parenting of her or any others of her type.
        
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        October 27, 2018 3:31pm
- Komata
  
  It’s interesting to watch Ms Adern ‘flomp’ back down in her seat. She is in a seemingly-perpetual huff and after each ‘discussion’ her petulence is very, very evident. ‘How DARE anyone disagree with her!’
  
  Sadly Cindy exhibits no grace, no charm, just continual anger; the ‘real’ Cindy exposed; not a pretty sight and one which the MSM is very careful not to portray. ‘Unpleasant’ is not an adequate descriptive..
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:36am
  - Paulus
    
    I assume her attitude when she deigns to attend is something like – “Why am I here ? ” as I should be with my bubba and not having anything to do with the proletariat.
    I am infallible so get on with it, and I will get put of here asap
    Look at how the opinion polls give me high marks so I am great and unassailable – cos I am like a President, and that is how I will win the next election. Still I have to do as agered in our secret agreement is to drop the MMP 5% to 3% and we great lft wingers are back again for ever, until I go to the UN.
    I do not tell lies – that is the opposition and Peters.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:51am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “our secret agreement is to drop the MMP 5% to 3%” and allow all other petulant teenagers to vote from age 16!
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:13am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        I deeply hope you are right.
        
        It would rebound badly on the current crop of idiots as it would allow an even greater number of idiots in to dilute the left’s power base.
        
        There’d be:
        – the religious nutters of the right party
        – the free speech nutters of the right party
        – the environmental nutters of the right party
        – the anti-immigration nutters of the right party
        – the charter school nutters of the right party
        – the anti-tahr cull nutters of the right party
        – the anti-1080 nutters of the right party
        
        National would be a shrunken rump, but the number of potential coalition partners would go through the roof.
        
        Then we’d join those “oh so WOKE” European nations that (whilst utterly dissimilar) we like to bench-mark against and it’ll take 18 months of our three year election cycle to even form a government!
        
        It’ll be utter, all-consuming, hysterical-gigglefesting insane.
        
        But at least a stupid, little fish’n’chip girl won’t be able to wipe out regional industries to look good to other stupid, little fish’n’chip girl type world leaders!
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:23am
  - Harkman
    
    See the way she sat down in her seat was an admission of defeat. It is also why she’ll never be as popular as Key.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:54am
    - GazzaW
      
      All the signs of an indulged childhood. Spoilt brat syndrome.
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:15am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      SLGs Jesus pose and face like an open piano is annoying, but her screaming skull flounce is really funny.
      I like the way Bridges is completely unaffected by SLGs smarmy responses.
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:59am
      - projectman
        
        No doubt pointing out my ignorance, but what is SLG?
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:12am
      - Lance
        
        Silly Little Girl
        
        Or so say the voices in Trev’s head
        
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        October 27, 2018 12:33pm
  - Longknives
    
    “It’s interesting to watch Ms Adern ‘flomp’ back down in her seat. She is in a seemingly-perpetual huff”
    
    I have a contact who works in her ‘circle’.
    I asked about her one day and he told me “Mate the smiles and caring face is all an act- she is cold hearted and ruthless “..”We call her the #*#*!”
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:00pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Projectman SLG = Silly little girl…the heckle that absolutely nobody in parliament heard apart from Mallard who probably just heard his own thoughts.
      
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      October 27, 2018 12:17pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Mallard admits he is deaf in his left ear – National side. It was hilarious when he realised nobody had actually spoken and the SLG comment was all in his own head. ?
        My estimation of Trev rose a smidgeon that day for his clarity of thought. ?
        
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        October 27, 2018 1:54pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    A new nickname: Flomper Chompers 🙂
    
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    October 27, 2018 5:28pm
  - jaba
    
    to be fair, Ardern used to do the seat flop while in opposition. Funny to watch as she is a classic “I will take my ball home” type.
    
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    October 27, 2018 5:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  When you say tv debates, do you mean the ones at election time?
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:09am
- KevOB
  
  Jacinda will be emotionally very volatile at present. She wants two jobs: she has to take the consequences.
  Go Simon!
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:13am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
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  Tooth Fairy will eat Bridges alive in debates. So don’t dream.
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    And an idiot appears.
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:12am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    She will do much better in the TV debates than in Parliament because she won’t have someone deliberately trying to ask her hard questions that she can’t answer.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:32am
    - sooty
      
      Why won’t the leader of the opposition give her the hard questions?
      It’s not tiddlewinks they are playing!
      Show me the money, policy on the hoof makes for interesting bulletpoints, I think.
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:18am
    - toby1845
      
      And she will know the questions in advance.
      
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      October 27, 2018 12:53pm
      - Toko
        
        She won’t cope answering tax questions. Maybe that’s why Cullen wants to introduce his devious new taxes for rich pricks (and anyone just moderately well off) before the next election.
        
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        October 27, 2018 1:33pm
  - KevOB
    
    Rubbish. I’ve heard Simon in debate: Taxcinda’s an amateur compared to the skilled former Crown Prosecutor. Her courtesy time is up: NZ can’t afford more of this bumbling ideologue COL.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:44am
  - GregM
    
    Yup. If she brings the baby…and who could object to that, It’s all nighty night for Bridges.
    Love your satire SCS. )
    
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    October 27, 2018 3:13pm
  - michael_s2
    
    Sir Cullen’ Sidekick – perhaps, now that you are back commenting on WOBH, you might give Kiwibloggers the mercy of your absence.
    
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    October 27, 2018 3:43pm
Morrissey

Possible Replacements for Mr Seven Per Cent 

No. 5: SARAH DOWIE

Positives:
 (1) She’s gorgeous.
(2) She puts the “hon” into “Honorable Member.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LukyMYp2noo

Negatives:
 (1) Has developed the terrible habit, clearly learned from Bill “Dipper” English, of prefacing everything she says with “Um, look.”
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/-look-there-s-been-little-bit-talk-national-mp-sarah-dowie-confirms-party-leadership-rumblings

(2) Dubious judgement when it comes to men.
https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/9pghgn/national_mp_jamilee_ross_has_admitted_to_having/

This series is compiled by the team at Daisycutter Sports, Inc.

Candidate No. 1 Simon O’Connor, No. 2 Paula “Snitch” Bennett, No. 3 Gerry Brownlee, No. 4 Amy Adams Coming up: Judith Collins
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October 27, 2018 8:03am
- peterwn
  
  What counts is what National polls, not what its leader polls. John Armstrong has not done any proper analysis of the situation. OK Andy Little was down too in leadership polls, but he neglected to mention his party was badly down too – it was the party’s poor polling, not Andy’s poor polling that led to a last minute leadership change.
  Simon Bridge’s polling can be explained by three things:
  1. He is going through a bad patch with the Jami incident. It will be forgotten nearer the next election.
  2. He is leader of the opposition, not PM, so does not have nearly as much limelight as Jacinda.
  3. The poll could be suspect. It would be interesting what other polling companies come up with.
  If the media collectively chose to, the media could easily drive up Simon’s poll up 20% and Jacinda’s down.
  The National MPs (who choose the leader) would be daft to force a leadership change on the strength of this 7% result. What counts for them is the how National polled – it was a very respectable figure given current circumstances.
  Also bear in mind that MSM would just love to see blood on the floor and some journos will try and prod National in that direction.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:17am
  - gorse
    
    Another hit job on National by stuff this morning. Saying some people in National “pored scorn” on JLR. I thought National were defending themselves against obvious lies. The corruption accusation comes to mind. The media will never report favourably about the right wing. They see left wing politics as the position of the thinker and the noble – wanting to help the poor. They fail to see that the right wing are these people too.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:26am
Lee C

Genuine question. According to The Herald, one year in – Ardern appears as popular as ever.

Is this your personal experience?

ps Morrissey thought you were advocating for Brexit these days. I like some of your albums, but you need to show less nipple.
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October 27, 2018 8:03am
- Morrissey
  
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  Yes. Especially with younger people. The last week shows just how important it is to have someone with at least a modicum of integrity in charge.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:05am
  - igm
    
    Morrissey: What the fuck would a socialist lifetime bludger such as you know about integrity?
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    It certainly does show that we need someone with a modicum of integrity in charge, it’s just a shame we have to wait until the next election for that to happen.
    
    I’m sure that’s what you were alluding to isn’t it?
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:13am
  - dubya
    
    I’m young, and think she’s a vacuous unpleasant bitch.
    
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    October 28, 2018 12:23am
- Morrissey
  
  Ha! Love ya, Lee. Pop round to Chez Breen some time. This is the Lee I was talking to last Friday evening, I presume?
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:07am
- peterwn
  
  Popularity under present circumstances is easy. Simon Bridges should to some degree let her bask in her popularity so she thinks things are easy. Popularity can disappear so quickly when circumstances change such of the cumulative poor decision making of the COL really hits the public in the face.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:24am
  - VicParking
    
    Keep it up Simon. She gets rattled and keeps making ‘Captains Calls’. These will come back to bite her big time.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:33am
    - peterwn
      
      Attacks are worth while if they cause her to misjudge. Attacks must have an impact (eg the regional petrol tax attack last week). There is no use scoring a point with no other purpose than to try and get publicity since MSM often do not ‘bite’ and only a minority will watch or listen to Question Time and the Wednesday afternoon debate. Most people are at work or doing other things. And there is probably less employer tolerance to radios being on in the workplace (at least one construction company banned radios as being a H&S hazard) and anyway they are unlikely to be tuned to Parliament. So basically it is only some retired folk who listen to Parliament.
      So those who reckon that Simon should be on the attack more are unaware of the reality of the situation – better to save the attacks for when they have the biggest impact.
      
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      October 27, 2018 10:30am
      - andydownhere
        
        I record it on Mysky. Or watch it later on ParliamentTV online.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:07pm
  - peterwn
    
    John Armstrong is trying to tell the world that National has to face up to Simon’s 7% popularity. However unlike Andy Little (who had a similar figure) National is currently polling in the 40’s% range despite there being circumstances that should be driving the figure down. It is that figure which counts, not the Leader’s popularity figure which in any case is easily influenced by the attitude of MSM journos. National MPs would be daft if they let the media lead them by the noses concerning leadership choice.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:50am
    - Paulus
      
      We remain TWO blue ticks based upon the COLL damage they are doing.
      Our MP is Bridges too.
      
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      October 27, 2018 8:53am
  - KevOB
    
    She’s done enough basking. Don’t giver her time to think she’ll take out Marsden Point too.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:16am
Lee C

Integrity yes, I agree Jacinda has lots of that..

She started lying during her debate with Bill English and has maintained lying ever since, so yup, lots of integrity there.

Or should I rather say consistency?

Sorry I can’t put my hand up to talking to you on Friday not from sunny Otago.
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October 27, 2018 8:06am
- stigie
  
  From the hiding she got from Bridges this week, the only way she can make herself feel that’s she’s back in her nuclear free moment would be to visit some schools next week for copious amount of fawning and gushing !~
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    2 celebs are arriving in NZ tomorrow
    
    I doubt that our media will be covering anything else for the week ahead.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:25am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    Unless she gives the teachers a pay increase I suspect not even the schools will want her.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:27am
duggledog

According to the Herald, whatever, according to me, its business model is unsustainable.
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October 27, 2018 8:06am
- VicParking
  
  I hear they are going to ask you if they can control your devices camera so they can charge you for every word you read.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:35am
Chuck Bird

FYI
Calling Prophet Muhammad a pedophile does not fall within freedom of speech: European court

https://www.dw.com/en/calling-prophet-muhammad-a-pedophile-does-not-fall-within-freedom-of-speech-european-court/a-46050749
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October 27, 2018 8:07am
- Morrissey
  
  If Muhammad was alive today, Trump would support him, just like he did THIS serial molester….
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/10/observer-profile-roy-moore-gun-toting-judge-with-god-by-his-side
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Morris Dancer must have shit the bed.
    He doesn’t usually arrive until about lunchtime.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:37am
- tas
  
  An Austrian court later convicted the woman of disparaging religion
  
  I’m flabbergasted. Fuck the EU. Disparaging religion should not be a crime in any liberal democracy. And the statement is true.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:15am
- tas
  
  If someone calls the Catholic church a pedophile ring, would the EU consider that to be protected by freedom of speech?
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:34am
  - holysheet
    
    It’s not a crime if it is proven to be true. In this case, there is and will continue to be a church of paedo followers.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:08am
- s.russell
  
  What would be the court’s reaction if someone said Jesus Christ was a pedophile?
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:45am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The fact is that Mohammad was a pedophile whereas Jesus was not.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:01am
    - tas
      
      But it should still be protected (unless Mr. Christ sues for defamation).
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:03am
    - igm
      
      See some useless Irish singer who has not made the grade has now joined the paedophile muhumads . . . does she think it will reboot her failed career?
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:08am
      - Woz
        
        That woman has a long history of very serious mental health issues. The same is behind every conversion to Islam that I’ve personally observed.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:13am
      - holysheet
        
        After converting to Islam, the singer and former priest would respectfully request that you now call her Skinhead O’Bomber.
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:11am
      - GoVege
        
        Was reading up on her last night.
        Poor Sinead had a sadist for a mother who tortured and beat her constantly.
        Only a lost and very troubled person would seek security in joining a daft religion.
        Hope it works for her.
        
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        October 27, 2018 12:34pm
    - stephieboy
      
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      Chuck Bird, the facts are the Prophet was not!
      
      Facts
      
      My Dictionary,
      
      facts and figures
      precise details: he presents the facts and figures of his case openly and honestly.
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:12am
      - G152
        
        ‘Married’ a six year old girl and you claim Muhammad isn’t a pedo ?????
        Really ????????????????
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:19am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Read the link!
        
        Excerpt,
        
        “..They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha’s age at marriage.
        
        According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha’s age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What’s more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.
        
        In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha’s young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur’an. While the Qur’an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha’s age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19….”
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:35am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie the Perv sticks up for another Perv
        Hardly a surprise
        Those young girls with “ample breasts” eh
        #Graham Capill
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:41am
      - simpleton1
        
        Was Mohammad concerned about girls maturing early? Did supposed early maturing matter to him when it was child like feature he wanted?
        
        Age of gurgling ? This given to be ok today !
        
        Can you speak against Khomeini?
        
        Can you speak against Mohammad? in how he practiced this with Aisha, and now leads to this current practice.
        
        Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:
        
        “A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby.
        
        However, he should not penetrate.
        
        Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life.
        
        This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.
        
        It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband’s house rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.” https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/36138/did-ayatollah-ruhollah-khomeini-the-supreme-leader-of-iran-say-this-about-pedo
        
        Read that whole article that shows the full translation, and reflect next time what you are ok with, when reading from the bible, as you koranize it seeking a place in paradise.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:56am
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry steffy girl, you are well off the pace here. You need to learn a bit more about research before you pop a comment in. This is the big boys and girls forum, not Camp Molestation or labour HQ where the lesson of the day from the tooth fairy is lie, lie and then lie some more.
        
        Is Ardern a liar?
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:28am
      - tas
        
        Stephieboy. Sure, you can debate how Aisha and Muhammad should be interpreted in the context of 7th century Arabia. But that’s beside the point. The statement that was made is true or close enough to true that I cannot see how it is exempted from free speech protections. To win a defamation suit you need to show that the statement is false, not that it’s debatable or needs context.
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:34am
    - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
      
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      Kaffir liar!
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:16am
      - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
        
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        I’m reporting all of you to the NZ Police for ‘Inciting Racial Violence’.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:28am
      - VicParking
        
        Hudud those who lie about being to Mecca.
        Hudud punishments range from public lashing to publicly stoning to death, amputation of hands and crucifixion. Your pick.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:33am
      - Tall Man
        
        Moslem boy fucker…..
        
        Howzat tosser?
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:29am
      - Swifty
        
        Suck it up cupcake.
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:36am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Islam is not a race.
        
        About the Austrian judgement: whether or not marrying 6 yr old girls was ‘normal’ or ‘paedophilia’ at the time should not be the point: Muhammud is long gone and defamation laws shouldn’t apply to a long dead person.
        
        ‘Hate speech’ laws are far too arbitrary and biased and should not exist at all.
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:26am
- Woz
  
  Aside from the obvious ironies and hypocrisy, might this be a symptom of liberal arse-kissing of Muslim immigrants in the names of “inclusiveness” and “diversity”?
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:09am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Woz, New Zealand’s immigration laws do not discriminate on the basis of religion, ethnicity or skin colour.
    
    Take it or leave it!
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      Thanks steffy girl, I’ll leave it then.
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 27, 2018 10:30am
    - Swifty
      
      Well on religion I think we should.
      
      Islam will be used by men to change NZ into a country much the poorer.
      
      Islam is a disease – we shouldn’t let it take hold here.
      
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      October 27, 2018 10:39am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        And it’s so-called ‘progressives’ who in one breath want more gender equality and less Christianity and in the next suddenly are pro-religion when it comes to islam.
        
        They really need to have a good look at their values and draw a line: if they really want equal rights for men and women a religion specifically allowing wife beating and sexual slavery should not be welcome.
        
        Most people on this site seem to want men and women to have equal opportunities (even if they make different choices) and don’t want a misogynist religion taking hold. That’s actually true, old-fashioned feminism.
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:31am
    - Woz
      
      Stephanie dear, I wasn’t referring to NZ immigration. Do keep up.
      
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      October 27, 2018 6:47pm
- freethinker
  
  just one reason for Brexit.
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:59pm
Scott

“The suspect is identified as Cesar Sayoc, a “Native American Trump supporter.”

The bomber in America has been found and is surely a gift to the left – a trump supporter committing acts of violence!

Here’s how it will go down. The media will every day demand trump apologise for what this guy did. Nothing Trump will say will ever be enough. They will demand endless apologies and condemn him for inciting violence.

This will be totally different from the media’s approach with a Bernie sanders supporter tried to assassinate Republican congressman Steve Scalise. On that occasion, when Scalise was shot and nearly died, the media were easily satisfied. Sanders said that violence has no place in our movement. The media said Bernie that’s good enough for me, and never asked him about it again!
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October 27, 2018 8:07am
- SGA
  
  Thanks Scott. I was wondering how the it’s a “Democratic-organised false flag operation designed to get public sympathy before the mid-terms” crowd (not sure if you were exactly one of those or just a fellow traveller) would react to today’s arrest.
  Looks like a nutter (who come in all shapes and sizes).
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:13am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    He’s a Patsy – this is one of the worst attempts at a false flag I’ve ever seen.
    
    For a start, how can something be an “explosive package” when it contains no explosives?
    
    How come none of the “explosive packages” have been post marked?
    
    This “bomb threat” is about as real as that other great hoax the MSM pushes – “climate change” and with about as much evidence!
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:35am
    - SGA
      
      Sure (((EAD))), and Mossad is probably involved as well 😉 . Meanwhile, back in the real world…
      
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      October 27, 2018 8:39am
    - Komata
      
      EAD
      
      The fact that ALL these devices all mysteriously arrived at their widely geographically-scattered destinations ON THE SAME DAY (Despite being supposedly sent via the notoriously-slow US Postal service), is, of course purely coincidental and shows conclusively that the ‘offender’ was acting totally on his own…
      
      (Would you like to buy a bridge on the strength of those facts…?)
      
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      October 27, 2018 8:48am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Tell me about it Komata.
        
        This excellent video explains the Pavlovian reflexes of people like SGA when asked to think critically when faced with logic:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TH7MUQ3cfA#t=03m15s
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:58am
      - Inandout
        
        So we could go further and say the postal service was warned to be on the lookout for those packages, and who the recipients were. The apparent Native American was reportedly a right nutter whose van was commonly seen covered in anti Democrat and anti Soros posters. Why wasn’t he previously attacked on the street by Antifa or Southern Black Comfort? Why were the packages basically harmless? This case has all the ingredients for years of CT discussion.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:00am
      - SGA
        
        This excellent video explains the Pavlovian reflexes of people like SGA when asked to think critically when faced with logic:
        
        🙂
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:20am
    - stephieboy
      
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      EAD TWO, the Holocaust, 9/11 Sandy Hook, Boston, Las Vegas, Parklands etc, etc.too?
      
      Why does such weird stuff take a grip of you?
      
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      October 27, 2018 8:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        Perhaps like you steffy girl, he spent his formative years in the labour party with frequent trips to Camp Molestation.
        
        Is Ardern a liar?
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:33am
    - igm
      
      The tosser should be done for gross incompetence . . . nothing went off!
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:09am
- Inandout
  
  If he is an Injan he will be untouchable, regardless of his sanity. This could be a bit tricky for the MSM. And if he is a converted Muslim they will leave him alone.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:16am
  - Harkman
    
    If he’s a Muslim he’s the victim of brainwashing, which again is Trump’s fault. ?
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:58am
- Scott
  
  SGA – it did enter my mind. False flags is something the left does. For example the violence at Trump rallies was all organised by the left.
  However sometimes the reality is different and this was a trump supporter that went rogue.
  
  I will also be interested in how the media treat his “native American” status? Normally the media love American Indians. But will their hatred of Trump override the man’s victim status as a native American? Time will tell.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:19am
  - SGA
    
    SGA – it did enter my mind.
    
    I’m sure it did, and anything is possible in this crazy world. But, as the man said, when you hear hoof beats first think horses not zebras.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:27am
  - MCos
    
    From the Miami Herald.
    Make of it what you will.
    
    ‘Although a sticker on Sayoc’s van reads “Native Americans For Trump” and his Twitter feed includes several references to the Seminole Tribe, Seminole spokesman Gary Bitner said there are no records of Sayoc having ever been a member of the tribe.
    
    According to Ancestry.com, Sayoc’s father immigrated to the U.S. from the Philippines and was naturalized in 1970 in North Miami Beach.’
    
    Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article220672300.html#storylink=cpy
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:39am
    - SGA
      
      Make of it what you will.
      
      Fake news. The MSM are covering it up. But who knows, he may have some historical connection to one of the native american groups.
      
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      October 27, 2018 8:42am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Probably on the Maori roll over here as well – has the right credentials.
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:48am
      - MCos
        
        You can always ring this Gary Bitner chap and find out for yourself.
        There’s a number here
        
        https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/statement-from-the-seminole-tribe-of-florida-seminole-gaming-and-hard-rock-international-300738784.html
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:52am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Or bought a van off a man that was already stickered,
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:55am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Looks like there’s general nuttiness all over
      
      ‘Justin Tolomeo, Special Agent in Charge of the Milwaukee Division of the Federal Bureau of Investigation said in a news release Jeremy Ryan, 30, of the Town of Madison has been charged with attempted possession of radioactive material with intent to cause death.
      Ryan allegedly attempted to buy the lethal dose in March and October of 2018. He was arrested on Tuesday.
      Ryan, who was dubbed “Segway Boy” faced multiple felony drug charges in 2016. He got the nickname after he was seen riding a Segway around the state capitol in 2011 taunting Republican lawmakers.
      
      He also attempted a congressional run against Paul Ryan in 2012.’
      https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/wisconsin-man-arrested-for-attempting-to-possess-radioactive-material
      
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      October 27, 2018 8:43am
      - SGA
        
        “riding a Segway”
        says it all really.
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:46am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, stick to Clinton body count, Pizzagate One Foundation, Seth Rich, Deep state etc conspiracies and associated Trumpeter nuttiness!
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:50am
    - Inandout
      
      Now who was that Senator who claimed Injan heritage, but was all bullshit? And who was the Senator who was shot and badly injured by a Democrat supporter?
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:04am
- kowtow
  
  Fortunately he’s not a pukka whitewallah , he’s a Red Indian.
  
  The left will be quite conflicted on how to approach that one.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:32am
  - MCos
    
    I doubt it.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:41am
    - KevOB
      
      The Herald become unsustainable when it turned into a socialist, luvies, tabloid womens mag. I don’t want to see it.
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:19am
  - michael_s2
    
    Is he not a Filipino?
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:51am
- Jules99
  
  The fact that there is a native American who supports Trump will be noted by his supporters. I don’t think this will hurt Trump at all – he has already called out the perpetrator before it was known who he was. Yes, the media will slam him, but they are looking more and more like they are mentally unstable.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:35am
  - Jules99
    
    The AP article in Stuff has decided not to mention that the suspect is American Indian – problem solved it appears.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:59am
  - Jules99
    
    Scott Adams suggests that the speed with which they caught the guy is a good look for law and order under Trump.
    
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    October 27, 2018 1:34pm
- kowtow
  
  The media were quick to promote the “#magabomber” thing , seeking to attach blame to Trump , of course.
  
  I wonder would they run with
  
  #tontobomber
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:04am
- Fletch
  
  Yes, the Left treats their terrorists different. Take former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, who was one of the leaders of The Weather Underground, a group that actually bombed buildings in the 1960s and 1970s, including police stations, the US Capitol Building, and the Pentagon. He became a respected professor (now retired) and buddy of Obama. In fact, Obama’s political campaign was kicked off in Ayers home and he may have even ghost-written Obama’s memoir ‘Dreams From My Father’.
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:14am
  - Jules99
    
    I’ve heard it suggested that when they failed to overturn the establishment in the 60s/70s they decided to try and destroy it from within. Seems they got pretty close to doing so.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:04am
oldpark

@Lee C
Maybe the good folk in Taranaki would be the ones to answer you’re question. Especially how a small town twerp planted by a renegade Politician and masquerading as a PM could almost overnight destroy their future and well being by virtually shutting down their Oil and Gas industry in due course. What an abomination.
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October 27, 2018 8:09am
- Scott
  
  Indeed and this government doesn’t like dairy farming either – all those carbon emissions! The basis of prosperity in Taranaki has been built on energy and dairy farming. This government appears to be hell bent on driving the good people of Taranaki into recession.
  Great strategy from the coalition – let’s kill off the regions and drive them into recession!
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:14am
  - DigNap15
    
    True
    But sadly its not being reflected in the polls yet.
    Too many people think Arderns baby is so lovely.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:19am
    - VicParking
      
      But Neve is so Coo Coo Coo. One Hundred photos coming up next week with Neve and Megans baby Bump. Cindy will be giving her advice on how to be a mother and also hold down an important Job. Clarke will be showing Harry how to make Almond Milk and work a breast pump at three in the morning.
      
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      October 27, 2018 8:47am
      - stephieboy
        
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        VicParking, and who out there beyond KB cares about your tedious springtime baa-lamb bleatings?
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:52am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        If she knew how to work a breast pump she would not have needed the special flight that cost about $80k.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:03am
      - cas
        
        Sorry Chuck Bird I mistakenly put you on report. Just wanted to say I heard a woman say on Leighton Smith once that you can express breast milk and then freeze it. I think she said even for a week – she was talking about mothers who have babies but have to travel overseas with the baby.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:09am
      - VicParking
        
        A see Stephie you come in nowdays at the lowest level of comment so there can be no Reply.
        Well Stephie I care and to me that is enough. I have a thing called Self Respect which those of you, Yes Plural, who live under bridges and start quarrels, upset, distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory, digressive, extraneous and off-topic messages with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses for your trollish amusement or political gain can get knotted.
        
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        October 27, 2018 9:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @cas
        
        you can express breast milk and then freeze it.
        Yep, breastmilk banks were once a feature of our maternity hospitals… HIV-scare put paid to them for a while, but some are reappearing.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/breastfeeding/105132227/new-zealands-first-hospitalbased-community-breast-milk-bank-opens-in-christchurch
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:11am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        If Gayford had figured out how to use his hand pump, we wouldn’t be in this situation
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:17am
      - gorse
        
        Hi Vic, as far as the troll goes I never read a word of what he says, I just downtick him on the way past. I get double pleasure doing this, 1. The downtick 2. Knowing he is waisting a large amount of time writing something that doesn’t get read.
        
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        October 27, 2018 12:32pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Are you trolling on a part time basis now steffie? Weekends only? Has the party decided that you’re a waste of space and all that you have achieved on KB is to turn Labour into an even bigger object of derision.
        
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        October 27, 2018 12:39pm
    - KevOB
      
      No one ever sees the baby except it got changed at the UN horrifying the Japanese Delegation.
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:55am
      - Paulus
        
        But we have to hear whether the baby (not Clarke as he is off elsewhere now “working” ) will be taking her 757, as she is our Commander in Chief, to PNG for the photo shoot meeting of ASEAN where we have given xxx number of Maserati Quatroporte (four doors) cars to the photoshoot.
        They will all be stolen and flogged offshore within a week of the meeting.
        Presumably Peters will of course be there too.
        What about the Poland meeting also in November to discuss again Climate change and pledge more taxpayer money.
        Don’t think the 757 can make without breaking down but she owns AirNZ so that is allright.
        
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        October 27, 2018 1:49pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Maybe they’ll take the Herc so SLG can pick up a fleet of cheap Maseratis for our homeless for Christmas.
        Do we still have homeless people in NZ, or has SLG fixed that?
        
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        October 27, 2018 2:53pm
  - Harkman
    
    But that’s why every Labour government leaves a recession. When the population realises they’ve been duped by money printing and costs/wages get embedded, the speculative side of the economy stops, but this would be fine if the Labour government hadn’t simultaneously gone to war with the productive sector, essentially closing it down.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:04am
    - Piniwi
      
      But Harkman it has never been anything like this before with so much damage being done at such a frantic pace from day one without any preparation done at all while they languished on the opposition benches. Now they are trying to introduce far too many major changes all too fast after over promising so far above their ability to deliver. They completely ignore the cause/effect of any action as they concentrate on their vision being the end when by their actions all they stand to achieve is reaching their own end. Sadly it is the people who suffer most with gradient levels of hurt across the entire population.
      
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      October 27, 2018 4:53pm
peterwn

Wellington bus strike – seems to have fallen flat on its face, just like the previous bus strikes years ago. Media now hardly giving it any mention. The biggest nuisance caused by the strike was uncertainty about what services would be running rather than actually cancelled services
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October 27, 2018 8:20am
- RightNow
  
  I had to go to the top level of Clifton Terrace car park, it was full by 8.30am.
  So definitely some impact from the bus strike but probably not what they intended.
  I’ve been driving into work since the buses changed. Not worth my time to use the loser cruiser any more, what with randomly cancelled buses and the extra 15 minutes each way they take when they do turn up.
  GWRC did a really great job getting people out of cars.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:47am
  - peterwn
    
    Some London bus routes are the same as when operated by horse drawn omibuses. There is a reason for that – people get used to the routes.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:56am
DJ Ward

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If a male sends a text to a sexual partner that is so abusive the media can’t publish it, ending in “I wish you were dead”, it’s called domestic violence.

Her act is a qualifying act for the granting of a protection order. Don’t believe me? Get a female to ring Woman’s Refuge hotline with the same scenario and ask if they should get a protection order based on that evidence and scenario.

It is a well established precedent that psychological violence like this is taken seriously by the courts.

The National party still presents the female MP, the domestic violence offender as the victim.

The August text resulted in psychological harm to JLR.

Simon is showing his bigotry towards men.
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October 27, 2018 8:22am
- DJ Ward
  
  Don’t worry feminists there is no chance of equality being a derivative of parliament.
  
  Down tick all you like.
  It remains true.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:47am
- tas
  
  Sorry, but I’m unconvinced. The text has not been made public. RNZ revealed 7% of one text message. And even RNZ was not shown the context of the text. Why?
  
  It certainly sounds like Ross and his mistress MP had an ugly breakup. But I’m not going to jump to larger conclusions than that.
  
  Frankly, the personal lives of MPs is not the party’s responsibility. Of course, the party should respond to any issues that present themselves, but it’s not something they should be proactively sticking their nose into.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:52am
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    Her actions were still a qualifying act for the granting of a protection order. It’s domestic violence and many men get banned from seeing their kids for exactly the same act.
    
    JLR has always disputed the smear campaign the female MP engaged in. He only admitted his behavour towards the councillor was wrong involving the trespassing.
    
    Nobody has provided proof of the other things JLR has been accused of in regard to him being abusive, especially regarding the female MP.
    
    The text is proof of her wanting to destroy JLR. It’s domestic violence.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:15am
  - RightNow
    
    I found the female MP’s identity through a reddit thread. Just saying.
    Also this morning Slater has dumped screenshots of messages with JLR from that night. Anyone with experience of nutty partners will recognize JLR’s manipulative behavior. Apparently he was scrolling through messages from 2 weeks prior when he saw the one from her that set him off, so (2 weeks later in the middle of the night) he messages her with the suggestion he’s going to top himself. Then he turns his phone off while her and everyone else goes frantically trying to find him and get him help.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:23am
- wiseowl
  
  Correct DJ
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:15am
- Tall Man
  
  WTF, lost your meds again?
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:39am
Lee C

ok then …
DJ I’ll play your game.

I reckon Jacinda had her cat assassinated because he was getting more ‘likes’ than her.

So that proves she hates animals.
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October 27, 2018 8:27am
- DJ Ward
  
  Is domestic violence a game if the women is the offender?
  That was a well below par counter argument. Even I can think of better ones.
  
  Cindy hates animals because she wants to exterminate all diary cows for ideological reasons.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:38am
DJ Ward

Adult: “I need help to get to the airplane”
Airport staff: “No problem, how can we help you citizen (gender neutral).

Child: “I need help to get to the airplane”
Airport staff: “Have you paid the extra $80”

Sometimes I wonder if the Children’s Commision, and the Human Rights Commision have come to the conclusion that descriminating agianst Children is OK.

Obviously this scenario mostly involves shared parenting at a distance. Stoping fathers by putting any barrier including financial ones from seeing their children must be in the children’s best interests.

Crown policy.
Descriminate (for profit) against children because they hate men.
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October 27, 2018 8:35am
- VicParking
  
  D J take your medication, your making no sense.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:50am
  - DJ Ward
    
    Why do airlines charge unaccompanied children a large fee to fly. If adults need help there is no fee.
    
    Air New Zealand advertises how they help families come together.
    
    They however charge children extra to fly. The extra costs for the service is minimal compared to what they charge.
    
    They are ripping children off.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:20am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Airlines roster additional staffing capacity to oversee boarding and deplaning. Passengers pay for this additional service.
      
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      October 27, 2018 9:28am
      - DJ Ward
        
        Airlines provide a help desk for adults. It has additional staffing as required.
        
        It’s free.
        
        I don’t send my child on flights anymore but I did for 10 years. Once the child support ended the mother kicked him out and he now lives with me.
        
        What I noticed was about 3 unaccompanied children per flight. Escorted from the gate strait to the plane. About 5 minutes max of staff time. So about $240 for 10 minutes because it’s both ends of the flight. $1440 an hour at a cost of $25 in wages.
        
        Air NZ, IE the crown is ripping children off.
        
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        October 27, 2018 10:17am
      - big bruv
        
        “Deplaning” is not a fucking word!
        
        I detest new age speak. Instead of “demolition” we have “deconstruction”, in stead of disembarking we have “deplaning”. These are words invented by middle management vermin to justify their existence and attempt to make their jobs more important than they actually are.
        
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        October 27, 2018 12:39pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deplane. The English language is the world’s more geographically distributed verbal language precisely because new words are added, blended while others are killed off.
        
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        October 27, 2018 2:44pm
Philview

We have seen plenty of Angry Andy is the last couple of days. He has been firing on all cylinders about making it easier for our daughters to smoke pot and get abortions. Thanks Andy!
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October 27, 2018 8:36am
- Woz
  
  Well of course! All that pot smoking will lead to loads more unwanted pregnancies. Ayup boys! Here’s a stoned one.
  
  It seems I need to protect my daughter from Little Andy.
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:18am
  - DJ Ward
    
    The woman have no Personel responsibly argument. Maybe we need to protect teenage boys from your daughters actions.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:43am
- Piniwi
  
  But Philview soft peddling on taxpayer funding of political parties? It is possible they are concerned more about what has been their funding sources and how they “handle” them? Sadly for Angry Andy more of him is not helping him seen any better than a 2 time looser.
  
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  October 27, 2018 5:01pm
secondcumming

Went for dinner last night over to the in-laws place at St Heliers. Pop was saying one of the benefits of the high fuel price is the decline in the number of *South Auckland hoons* using Long Drive as a racetrack, to and from Tamaki Drive.

He reckons that after about 10 at night there’s hardly a car on the road. They wouldn’t care if petrol went to 5 bucks a liter.
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October 27, 2018 8:39am
- MCos
  
  That would be ‘litre’ in this country, don’t forget.
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:39am
Happychappy

So the housing situation is going to get worse dispute Labour and the Coalition promising NZer’s they would fix it. The New number of housing needing to be built is now 40,000 a year with out taking into account that the 6,000 house that were supposed to be built in the first year will never be built as the Coalition have not reach 1,000 of the first year total yet. When are the voters of this country going to wake up when the Minister Phil Twyford promised the voters two years ago they would fix housing in their first term and all that has happened is the figure of what is needed is increasing instead of decreasing, with housing prices expected to rise also.
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October 27, 2018 8:39am
- VicParking
  
  But according to Question time they are going to build a house in three weeks only using a Carpenter and two hammer hands.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:52am
  - G152
    
    Depends I think where they start the 3 weeks count.
    Obviously they’ve never had to go for planning permission.
    And never had anything to do with all the work that precedes the foundation pour.
    Or all the work after that.
    Typical pollie BS
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    Then it’ll take another 3 months to do the fitout. You need to remember “labour speak”.
    
    Not lies just distortions as labour don’t lie.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:44am
  - mark15
    
    Wow these immigrants are good !
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:48am
krazykiwi

“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”

– Club of Rome, premier environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations
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October 27, 2018 8:43am
krazykiwi

“The concept of national sovereignty has been immutable, indeed a sacred principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation.”

– UN Commission on Global Governance report

Anyone still think the UN lacks a Global Governance agenda? Anyone still think they aspire to democracy?
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October 27, 2018 8:48am
- Toko
  
  National need to start criticising the UN objectively. There is no way we should kowtow to their human rights council featuring enlightened luminaries such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan lecturing us about improving our human rights. And we should have the balls to pull out of the Paris accord before it strangles our commodities based economy. Can’t see Aussie staying in it. But they are more pragmatic than our earnest do gooder NZ pollies.
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:41am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agreed. The UN is a club of despots and dictators, that we fund. It is the larger trough to which wannabe socialist leaders from small countries aspire to graduate, usually after their national constituents throw them from power (cf Helen Clark).
    
    That one cent of my hard earned income ends up in the UN coffers pisses me off.
    
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    October 27, 2018 2:52pm
kowtow

How very queer.

The top rating stuff “news” piece is one that blares Exclusive Brethren sex abuse , then we have a court in Europe saying one can’t critique Islam and in today’s news from Aotearoa , formerly New Zealand , a truly bizarre secret case going through our closed courts where the defendant can’t be told what the evidence is .

Are secret trials and secret evidence part of our glorious Anglo Saxon judicial tradition ?

Why are these extreme measures necessary ?

Is it part of the diversity dividend and cultural enrichment our political class rulers told us would accompany their multicultural agenda ?

‘A woman challenging the cancelling of her New Zealand passport, apparently on security grounds, wants to know more about why it was done.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108130885/the-secrets-even-the-woman-theyre-about-cant-know
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October 27, 2018 8:55am
- stephieboy
  
  “..glorious Anglo Saxon judicial tradition ?”
  
  BS includes French influences ( Norman invasion) and I would think Celtic, Roman and Scandinavian too!
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:23am
  - VicParking
    
    Should we switch to Hudud so you can F*K your goat at will ??
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      I’m pretty sure steffy is a girl judging by the tone of the posts so perhaps she lets the goat fuck her??
      
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      October 27, 2018 10:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Presumably it is the continuing saga of the Melbourne-based woman who had her NZ passport cancelled by Peter Dunne (Min of Immigration) due to national security concerns.
  
  https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/melbourne-woman-loses-nz-passport-due-to-security-threat/news-story/436624b83cb81c3709a3ee42efae1ae5
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/91553181/high-court-backs-closed-appeal-over-nz-passport-cancellation-on-security-grounds
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, just below Barnaby Jones on Aussie Values!
    
    Sigh!
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:09am
    - stephieboy
      
      And from your second link,
      
      Sam Sachdeva
      
      15:46, Apr 13 2017
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:13am
      - pentwig
        
        stoopidboy
        Maggie just smacked your bum again
        it must be red raw by now
        you must feel totally humiliated and embarrassed
        LOL
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:58am
      - Swifty
        
        Why do you come here and embarrass yourself like this everyday?
        
        Maggy has just spanked you again!
        
        Get help man.
        
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        October 27, 2018 1:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Dear pentwig and Swifty
        
        As I am a Pacifist, totally opposed to violence in any form, I would appreciate it if you did not associate my name with an act of physical violence (even in the figurative sense).
        
        I have never and have no intention ever of spanking any man’s bum.
        (I did bite my eldest brother’s bum once)
        
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        October 27, 2018 3:00pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        What is your point?
        More sqwaking in your losing struggle for relevance?
        
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        October 27, 2018 3:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That’s how items are often laid out on news websites.
      One completely unrelated story follows another.
      
      Bit like how unrelated and often irrelevant comments follow on from comments posted here on KB.
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:15am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, the date is the thing and under Bill English’s watch!
        
        Someone is a perceived security risk. Is their religious affiliation germane or relevant or not?
        
        Hurricane in a teacup stuff!
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:21am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Have you read the recent Stuff article?
        
        Did you read that I wrote that the case first developed under Peter Dunne’s watch – May 2016.
        
        Bill English was not Prime Minister at that time.
        
        You obviously know nothing about this case or the woman involved.
        
        I bet you don’t know what country considers her to be a security threat.
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        Hurricane in a teacup stuff!
        
        well, Professor Andrew Geddis doesn’t think so
        
        and neither did The Chief High Court Judge –
        Hon Justice Geoffrey Venning.
        
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/02-03-2018/the-bizarre-case-of-the-nz-court-case-hidden-from-public-and-media-scrutiny/
        
        I suspect you know nothing of this case.
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:42am
      - stigie
        
        Tell me, what does Stephnie know.. ? Just askin !~
        
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        October 27, 2018 12:43pm
      - starboard
        
        Errr..the insides of a goats rear end?
        
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        November 11, 2018 5:18pm
Komata

Krazykiwi

Those who made the statement, will, of course, have taken approroate measures to ensure that they are not part of the obvious solution.

It’s only the ‘Lower Orders’ who need the necessary ‘Attention’…
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October 27, 2018 8:55am
krazykiwi

Nearly ODs. Cuts ties with family and goes into hiding. Cites mental illness and suicidal thoughts. Converts to Islam and changes her name Shuhada’ Davitt. Sinead O’Conner’s rather sad life.

She describes her conversion to Islam as “the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian’s journey.” Which it is, almost by definition. Once you’ve converted to Islam that’s the end of the religious road: it doesn’t look kindly on apostates
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October 27, 2018 9:02am
- kowtow
  
  An attention seeking nutter.
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:21am
  - MCos
    
    There’s a few of those right here.
    
    In NZ I mean.
    
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    October 27, 2018 9:44am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      On the front bench . . .
      
      And the rows behind. . . .
      
      And on the sheepskin car seat cover . . . .
      
      And in the press gallery . . . .
      
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      October 27, 2018 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  O’Connor is a true nut case, maybe because of her upbringing, maybe genetic:
  ‘She has claimed to have been physically, sexually and mentally abused by her mother, but her claims have been disputed by other members of her family’.
  
  Her marriage:
  ‘Sinead O’Connor’s marriage is over after just 16 days because she feels it’s the kind thing to do.
  
  O’Connor writes on her Web site her husband, Barry Herridge, has gotten a lot of grief from people in his life because of her.
  
  O’Connor says it’s even affecting his career as a therapist. They were married in a quick Las Vegas wedding on December 8, three months after O’Connor advertised for a boyfriend. They lived together for only a week.
  
  O’Connor says Herridge has been unhappy so she’s setting him free, but they part amicably. She says she’s fair game for jokes but she wants the media to leave her ex alone’.
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:15am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    And she is renouncing Catholicism and now putting the Hijab on
    https://www.irishpost.com/entertainment/sinead-oconnor-renounces-catholicism-converts-islam-161261
    says it all really.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:44am
    - lifesgood
      
      That poor woman is totally insane. It is well documented. She needs to be in some sort of care before she does any more damage to people. God help her 4 children by several fathers.
      
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      October 27, 2018 12:31pm
  - GoVege
    
    Her brothers apparently back up her claims that their mother was a violent sadist.
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:39pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Man, she really *really* hated the beautiful hair she used to have, didn’t she? First shaved it all off, now covers it up.
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:04pm
secondcumming

I said to the psychiatrist, “My wife thinks I’m crazy because I like sausages”

“I don’t think you’re crazy”, he replied, “I like sausages as well”

“Really?”, I said. “You should come over to our house and see my collection”
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October 27, 2018 9:07am
fluffykiwi

WO at it again, trying to make himself relevant. Fee imagine if he was like Cindy and had a baby to parade around there would ben o stopping him.
He is certainly like Clarke hates to be out of the news.
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October 27, 2018 9:14am
- stephieboy
  
  fluffykiwi, feeling left out and on the outer in life?
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Hey steffy girl….
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:52am
krazykiwi

Does anyone know that basis on which the Air New Zealand / Qantas alliance was permitted by the comcom?

As a regular traveller it’s hard to see this being beneficial for me. Of course both airlines will continue to headline rates similar to today, but the number of seats at those rates will drop and the experience we’re all familiar with – a huge gap between published and actual fares – will become more frequent.
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October 27, 2018 9:23am
- Tall Man
  
  Emirates, LATAM, China Airlines to Oz ex Auckland. Better prices for the service levels, better planes. Just better all round.
  
  I refuse to fly out of Wellington at expensive prices for the worst service possible. Yep, I’m forced to give AirNZ my money for the domestic flight but often the total price is less that flying “Shit Airline” ex Wellington.
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:56am
tas

WhaleOil has published many of Jami-Lee Ross’ text records:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/another-hit-job-from-david-fisher-which-i-must-correct-and-tell-the-truth-that-the-national-party-fails-to/

Slater claims this proves National has been lying all along. However, my reading of it is that it entirely supports what they have said. The texts that Slater has chosen to publish do not support his own narrative.
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October 27, 2018 9:26am
- MCos
  
  Whaleoil this
  Whaleoil that
  
  Everything one of you buggers looks at his blog or encourages others to do the same it’s money in the bank for that rogue . . . .
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes. His site has digital syphilis. I stay well away.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:05am
    - tas
      
      If you don’t want to visit his site directly, here is an archived version:
      http://archive.today/gK0Ri
      …kind of like a condom.
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:49am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        LOL, excellent. I wasn’t prepared to honour WO with my clicks.
        
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        October 27, 2018 12:07pm
  - tas
    
    I don’t care if Slater gets my clicks. Besides, I run an ad blocker.
    
    For the first time since 2014, WhaleOil is actually breaking news.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:11am
    - Tarquin North
      
      I don’t know if I would describe going full retard breaking news. His posts are like watching a hatred and vitriol bomb going off. He really needs to get out more.
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:04am
      - tas
        
        You’re right. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say WhaleOil is “being news”, rather than “breaking news”.
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:08am
  - secondcumming
    
    You’ve got to admit though…..it’s bloody entertaining 😛
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:12am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Nope
      Not even
      
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      October 27, 2018 3:06pm
    - tas
      
      I think it’s more sad than entertaining. This isn’t helping Ross and while Slater is bashing National, the Peters-Ardern circus continues without proper scrutiny.
      
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      October 27, 2018 8:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Don’t worry Tas
        That Circus hasn’t left town
        And it’s still a bad act
        Their turn will come round again
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:22pm
- tas
  
  (1) Bridges said that he took action against Ross as soon as he was made aware of the sexual harassment allegations. WhaleOil has records that prove that Bridges took action before the newsroom story made those allegations public. Slater claims this shows Bridges lied, but there is no contradiction here. Bridges did not say that the newsroom story was the first he heard of it.
  
  (2) Slater says that National is lying about what happened on the night Ross was taken to hospital. Yet the text messages and call logs he published corroborate the timeline David Fisher published in the NZ Herald yesterday.
  
  (3) Slater has, over the past few days, made it sound like Ross’ former mistress — the female MP — did something to provoke him on the night he was taken to hospital. However, he now says that what provoked Ross is that he re-read her text message from two months prior!
  
  (4) The text message that the female MP sent to Ross is definitely not OK. There is no excuse for that. However, this was a messy breakup and I expect both parties have said and done things they regret.
  
  (5) Paula Bennett sent Ross a text saying “I would like to see you to discuss a potential way through”. That sounds like National are trying to help Ross and sort things out. His response was just to cite his mental health. It sounds like Ross is the one who was not engaging constructively.
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:54am
  - Philview
    
    I read a Chris Trotter article this morning and he didn’t come out and say it but he got close enough to know what he meant and that is J-L Ross has been in bed with multiple female journalists. This has been mentioned on here but not touched by the mainstream media. This has distorted the media representation of this story. The media have attacked Simon Bridges with ferocity. I think Trotter believes that Ross has been given an unfairly hard time by the media but I think they have actually been supportive of him and used him as a weapon to attack Bridges.
    
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    October 27, 2018 2:18pm
- secondcumming
  
  My missus just read the text that WO has published from the female MP……she was intrigued to know what was meant by, “a toe inturned mutant”?
  
  Anyone here able to enlighten her??
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:15am
  - DJ Ward
    
    I have the same on the forth toe. My daughter has strait forth toe while my son has bent forth toes.
    It’s actually common.
    
    We should be defined as a racial group.
    
    Maybe we should ask Journalists what male MP’s have bent cocks. They should know. Far more interesting.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:23am
    - secondcumming
      
      Cheers for that DJ. As my missus just said, she knows which she’d prefer……and it sure as hell isn’t a bent forth toe.
      
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      October 27, 2018 12:31pm
- JibberJabber
  
  I`m still calling BullShit on JLRs “mental illness”, I suspect whoever is coaching him has cocked up big time and the mental illness has not turned out to be the invincibility shield they thought it would be.
  And they are struggling to get their timeline to fit the reported facts.
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:02am
  - DJ Ward
    
    He had a letter from a psychiatrist telling Simon to stop causing harm. You can’t fake that you fool. He had no coaching to well after that event. Get your facts strait.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:18am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Ohhh, a letter from a shrink…probably the most gullible discipline of all the PhDs available.
      Did `is mummy send a note too?
      Did he print it off the interwebs?
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:28am
      - DJ Ward
        
        Psychiatrists are actual doctors. Psychologists are the ones to be scared of as the are part of social sciences.
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:47am
      - KevOB
        
        You should have seen a het-up psychiatrist with the Police in tow looking for a person subject to a s.8 examination order. I reckon the psychiatrist could have had mental health issues too. Rage was not well hidden.
        
        JLR seems not to have been too bad, being discharged within the initial 5 day period. The fact that it took several days confirms that JLR satisfied the appointed examining doctors that he did need their attention. If not, he would have been discharged immediately.
        
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        October 27, 2018 12:15pm
  - tas
    
    I’m sure there is some truth to Ross’ mental illness. However, that is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.
    
    In particular, Slater keeps saying that Bridges and Bennett should have gone easier on Ross due to his mental health issues. It’s not clear what he thinks they should have done, but it sounds like he thinks they should have simply let Ross stay on as an MP like nothing happened. That’s just not reasonable.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:59am
- tas
  
  Maybe one more thing to add: Slater continues to insist that Ross was not the leaker and that he was framed. Is that denial really credible?
  
  Ross had the means and the motive. The PWC report shows a lot of unusual communication between Ross and parties involved — police, the speaker, and a journalist. Can that communication be explained?
  
  It seems to me that Slater is too trusting of Ross’ version of events, probably because no one else is talking to him.
  
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  October 27, 2018 1:44pm
- MrTips
  
  Three things on Slater’s diatribe;
  1) TL;DR. Ross is a sideshow.
  2) explaining is losing
  3) released on a Saturday meaning Fisher has him bang to rights
  
  Dealing to the COL is the game
  
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  October 27, 2018 3:58pm
- tas
  
  Haha. David Fisher tells us what he really thinks about Slater’s latest take on Ross:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12149924
  
  Slater’s posts on the issue paint Ross as the victim of a conspiracy by the National Party to drive him out.
  
  The Slater conspiracy involves six women – all who have reported issues with Ross’ behaviour – coordinating with Bridges and others in the National Party to place pressure on the distressed MP.
  
  It has been termed a “hit job” by Slater, who has previously presented convoluted theories to support other claims.
  
  In 2014, he developed a theory of a vast conspiracy involving academics, media, political staff and politicians as being behind the Rawshark hack of his computer.
  
  In that theory, the large network of conspirators were apparently working together to trigger Slater’s own mental health issues and drive him to suicide.
  
  Those with knowledge of the events which unfolded have described Slater’s Rawshark theory as ridiculous.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:14pm
fluffykiwi

Interesting timeline shown on WO, not from him but a commenter. The “Leak” was before the angry text was sent by the “woman”. Maybe the angry text was in response to hearing that JLR was going to try and take down Bridges or the National Party with the assistance of others. Now there is a witch-hunt on for the woman.
I would think that was a separate issue. JLR had been happily playing away with no thought to the havoc he might have been creating in many other lives. Then immediately becomes a “victim” when the fire gets too hot. Telling her he was going to end it, funny how someone was able to “stop it”. How did they know where, when etc., only if the person wants to be found is that information available. A person intent on committing suicide does not let everyone know where and when. If they do that is generally just a cry for attention/help.
Have all the texts been released, perhaps the “woman” needs to release her side of the story, her anonymity has gone, I wonder whether there may be other texts which would throw a different light on what WO has chosen to publish.
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October 27, 2018 9:37am
- niggly
  
  Excellent comments, although I reckon the woman needs t0 be left alone, media attention wise (after all lets just publish the private going’s on of everyone including the MSM eh).
  
  Unfortunately WO still hellbent on causing additional collateral damage to the innocent …. makes one wonder if JLR could have been “saved” by National (and still working for them in some capacity and maintaining family life) if it wasn’t for his assistance from so-called “friends”?
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:08am
  - DJ Ward
    
    His so called friend was not involved until Paula and Simon made it clear he was being sacked. That happened after when he sought advice.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:13am
    - niggly
      
      Oh come on, one thing is clear is that JLR loved to talk to his “friends” about himself, what he knows and the National Party etc.
      
      None of this would have been new info, they would have been talking and plotting about things for ages.
      
      JLR is no victim, apart from being used to further some of his “friends” opportunities to undermine National and its leadership.
      
      A number of people here have had their lives ruined now – all for what and whom at the end of the day?
      
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      October 27, 2018 11:28am
      - DJ Ward
        
        To hide who the leaker is with a pansy victim of a revenge motived ex.
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:49am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        I wonder whether JLR has been “talking” to his friend at WO etc., for some considerable time. Possibly he may well have been the only contact willing to talk to WO after WO’s absolute dissing of Bill English etc., before the last election and his promotion of Winston Peters.
        
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        October 27, 2018 7:16pm
- DJ Ward
  
  People probably knew he was driving to Auckland. So police would have put intercepts on SH1. Also being a life threatening situation his phone may have been pinged.
  
  Thank you to the police for finding him so quickly.
  
  The woman releasing her side of the story. Oh my where have you been.
  
  Evidence would have been leaked by now.
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:09am
  - Paulus
    
    YAWN – I am over silly boy Ross.
    I would like not to hear his name any more, or Slater.
    Getting desperate too !
    Its babies all week now
    – will be in Taupo for the week so will not get any MSM here.
    
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    October 27, 2018 2:03pm
- Sofia
  
  Fluffykiwi, unfortunately you have reversed things: the expenses leak was after the angry text was sent by the female National MP –
  
  • Saturday 11 August 1.19am Jami-Lee Ross phone received the abusive text
  that Radio NZ reported but did not publish.
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/another-hit-job-from-david-fisher-which-i-must-correct-and-tell-the-truth-that-the-national-party-fails-to/#disqus_thread
  
  • Monday 13 August 2018, Mr Bridges was interviewed by Newshub about the Expense Documents being leaked to Newshub – PwC Report 37 (c)
  
  One scenario, of course, is that the female MP leaked the expenses information to ‘shaft’ Ross, she being well aware of his ambitions, his attitude to Bridges, and the expenses information.
  This event may not only display that “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”, but also atest to the deviousness which that scorn may attempt to take.
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:30pm
krazykiwi

In the UK the regulator (Ofcom) is to review depth of analysis and impartiality of BBC news and current affairs output.

This will be interesting to watch. BBC are rampantly and brazenly partisan in the topic of Climate Change™. It would be hard to see how any review could miss this bias.
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October 27, 2018 9:52am
- Jules99
  
  Yeah I watch the BBC through a vpn and the bias is shocking. Global warming, anti-Trump, Russia fearmongering, Middle East bias and clear anti-Brexit bias. A bit like CNN in fact.
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s why I stopped watching. Kicked Stuff, Newshub (should be Bub Hub) and the Herald into touch as well.
    
    Very hard to eliminate bias in the media but I watch Sky News from time to time.
    
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    October 27, 2018 10:59am
    - Inandout
      
      Go to Fox and just analyse the news. They have some good contributors such as Levin.
      
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      October 27, 2018 1:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    I take (for free) the Economist and it has not changed its vicious anti Brexit or Trump in any way.
    These are the pages to pass over.
    
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    October 27, 2018 2:05pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I read the Economist. While their bias is clear on globalist issues (Brexit, EU, Trump), the balance of the reporting has – to me at least – a reasonable level of thoughtful/balanced journalism.
      
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      October 27, 2018 3:03pm
      - JeffW
        
        Apologies, fat fingers – should have been an uptick.
        I find The Economist is too much in favour of govt. spending these days, but at least it is reasonably intelligent and requires a reading age, as opposed to many publications which seem to be targeted at 10 year olds, based on the level of writing.
        
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        October 27, 2018 3:30pm
marquess

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Not a good week for the nats! Petrol prices have tumbled, and kiwibuild homes are going up. Without any other points to attack the government on, and with many more of their MPs looking like they’ll be caught up in the nat implosion, the nats will be very, very glad that for now there’s no right-wing party they can really bleed support to.

Not a good week for seymour either. Even when his host party has allegedly corrupt leadership, “fucking useless” MPs, and sex scandals, nobody wants to jump across to what should be a permeable nat-act polling boundary.

Not a good week for the right. If only they’d focussed on being the credible alternative government that NZ deserves from the opposition, they wouldn’t be up the creek without a paddle.
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October 27, 2018 10:31am
- Inandout
  
  Judith has kept her nose clean by the looks of it.
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:43am
  - DJ Ward
    
    As far as I know she hasn’t leaked anything.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:01am
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    For now. She clearly isn’t the nat MP that was fucking JLR – I’m sure that he wouldn’t be that mentally ill!
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      What’s even worse is that the Prime Minister of New Zealand is fucking this guy…..
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQduC6N5OY
      
      I mean for fuck’s sake, what a moron he is and she by default.
      
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      October 27, 2018 2:40pm
- RightNow
  
  After reading various comments from tribal lefties I am hoping the CoL gets at least one more term. You have the government you deserve and its getting more and more ridiculous to blame the previous government for all of NZ’s problems.
  It’s the CoL in the driver’s seat and who are now responsible. Own it.
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:46am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    No effing way! We can’t afford the new taxes they want to introduce, the huge inflation they’re causing and the endless PC dogma they chant like a religion.
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      Now dropped already in a year to 33rd in the OECD ratings – down from 2nd.
      
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      October 27, 2018 2:06pm
- Tall Man
  
  Excellent satire, well done.
  
  Back to reality though….Simon Bridges caned Ardern in the house this week. Great to see a real professional in action against a blubbering never was called Ardern.
  
  By the way….
  
  Is Ardern a liar?
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:02am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Yes and she’s really thick too.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:36am
- JibberJabber
  
  Lefty meth, it`s a hell of a hallucinogenic.
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:10am
- kowtow
  
  The Nats aren’t “right wing” .
  They’re simply less left wing than the others.
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t think they are left wing in either attitude or policy. They are however more realistic about social policy that is of benefit to the recipients whereas labour and the greens want to wallow in the feelz that they think the recipients will feel.
    
    They need to learn that welfare recipients are not grateful generally as they have come to “expect”that they get given money.
    
    Muldoon was also a politician that had a great awareness of the needs of people and tried to deliver help but wasn’t very good at it.
    
    I think Sir Bill had plans and he had set those out for the next three years and labour will avoid implementing them at any cost hence the 150+ consultancy groups being tasked to find an alternative, any alternative to Sir Bill’s plans.
    
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    October 27, 2018 2:37pm
- Happychappy
  
  Are you as bigger fuckwit as you are trying to make out,how does 40,000 houses behind your target and not even 1,000 of tbe 6,000 promised in their first year built equate to a good week or year for the Coalition. Petrol prices are still at $2.27 in Hamilton and $2.33 in Huntly so please enlighten us to how this means tumbled you jumped up socialist prick, if you want to make fun of National then don’t hide sexual assaults that happen at young Labour Summer Camps .
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:25pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Housing crisis to worse…
    https://www.newshub.co.nz
    
    Click on politics
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:43pm
  - marquess
    
    Your username seems to be a lie. Would you like a hug?
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:49pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      As in a Labour Youth Camp “hug”? Errrr no thanks….
      
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      October 27, 2018 3:35pm
- lifesgood
  
  A fantastic week for the right indeed. The SLG crumbled under Bridges careful, considered questioning and made an off the cuff decision about the regional fuel taxes that NONE of her colleagues knew about. Really funny…huge fail for Labour.
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:39pm
- KevOB
  
  Fraser House & Co will shortly have to deal with a GFC. The budget jiggery-pokery has come home to roost. By including capital revaluation as surplus the teachers can feeling aggrieved they are not getting their mythical share. Finance Minsters who deceive themselves cannot deceive the country. Enjoy the strikes and standby for another COL hike.
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:46pm
Swifty

I have been to Mecca……

Oh grow up you wanker.

You’re in NZ now. In this country we think and say what we like. That’s one of the reasons this country is so great and so many people want to come and live here.

You don’t get to decide what other people can think or say – and, luckily, its open season on religion in NZ – all day, every day and long may it continue.

If you don’t like these facts, if you’d prefer to live in a society where major ideas cant be challenged, criticised or indeed ridiculed – well, you have options.

For me, I don’t particularly care about what wives your mate had, or how many, or how old they were because these trifling matters pale into comparison with the fact that he was never spoken to by an angel sent by a god. He was a bloke around which myths and legends have developed – just like the thousands of others claimed to be prophets throughout human history.

Oh, and by the way, you reckon people on here are inciting racial violence?

What race are Muslims?

Tosser.
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October 27, 2018 10:34am
- secondcumming
  
  IMHO……’I’ve been to Mecca’ is nothing more than a shit-stirring unemployed Westie, who gets his rocks off winding people up.
  
  Probably lucky is he’s even taken a bus past the mosque in Sandringham.
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:28am
  - kowtow
    
    I have a feeling he’s a kuffar who has tried to piggyback off the success and humour of Padriv’s satirical/ ironic posts but it really doesn’t work in Mekka’s case.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:36am
  - lifesgood
    
    I get that impression. I’m pretty sure he’s not one of those tea towel wearers.
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:40pm
  - Swifty
    
    You could well be right – I’m not sure either.
    
    However, what I wrote was for others as well, not just him.
    
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    October 27, 2018 1:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I wonder if Kea went to Mecca?
    
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    October 27, 2018 2:53pm
DJ Ward

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Paula Benifit was intimately involved in the hit job on JLR.

No evidence of JLR being the leaker is known to exist. JLR who has not ever shown to have lied about anything, denies being the leaker.

The attack on JLR starting in Paula Benifits office revolves around the investigation into the leak.

JLR offered to go to the back benches. This is not the behavour of a narcissist trying to be leader.
Simon refused. With the help of 2 of his staff and a revenge motive MP they attacked. Pre prepared media stories get published. Insinuating sexual harrasment.
He didn’t jump, he was being sacked.

The female sent the abusive, I wish you were dead to stop your children having to suffer, text randomly out of the blue early in the morning. Slightly unhinged. We know he took that text personally as he used it as a cry for help. No wonder she tried to call him 20 times. Strong feelings of guilt.

Can we see the report on the leak Paula?
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October 27, 2018 10:46am
- Tall Man
  
  And again…take your fucking meds…
  
  Even WO has confirmed the text the supposedly sent him over the edge was sent two months ago.
  
  FFS, can nobody on the left read and understand?
  
  Is Ardern a liar?
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:04am
  - itstricky
    
    can nobody on the left read and understand
    
    Cracks me up how you think anyone who criticises National in any way is a leftie. Full on tribal.
    
    It’s probably not so funny for DJ Ward.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:23am
  - DJ Ward
    
    So that domestically violent text caused him no harm? Why did he still have it? Obviously the fact she’s calling him out on behavour hurt considering her actions.
    
    If that was his text, he truly would be fucked.
    
    Just because it was 2 months earlier is meaningless. That’s like saying any victim majicaly becomes better a few days later.
    
    Diagnoses. Ingnoritis.
    
    Cure. Watch the red pill doco.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:57am
    - KevOB
      
      WO is waiting for your call.
      Are interns paid at least the minimum rate?
      
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      October 27, 2018 12:50pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You’re a funny guy. Maybe if you offered constructive argument or reasoned argument we would think you were a lefty fuckwit. But you don’t so we’re correct.
      
      Receiving the text didn’t drive him over the top but rereading it 2 months later did? What a precious little twit he must be then and you by association 🙂
      
      What I have learned from this forum is that the normal assumptions of intellect and reasoning that we make when communicating with adults do not apply when communicating with those from the left. You are all incapable of facing a standard truth….Your lovely Ardern is a liar.
      
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      October 27, 2018 2:51pm
- Komata
  
  DJ
  
  Re: ‘Paula Benifit was intimately involved in the hit job on JLR’
  
  Can you provide evidence please to substantiate your claim, ‘cos (to quote one of my old uni lecturers), ‘If you can’t, it didn’t happen’.
  
  Thanks.
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:18am
  - DJ Ward
    
    Oh my. I realise information is flying out and it’s hard to keep up.
    
    I’ll forgive you on that basis.
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:59am
- tas
  
  DJ Ward:
  
  Can we see the report on the leak Paula?
  
  DPF shared it on Oct 15. https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/PWC-Investigation-Report.pdf
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:27am
- JibberJabber
  
  Sockpuppet.
  Either that or stoned on Slaters kool-aid, your narrative does not match the known facts.
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:39am
Komata

Krazy:

There was a time, now long past, when the Beeb was seen as being the best news broadcasting service in the world. While it was tacitly understood that it was a mouthpiece for British Government policy, it was also seen as being largely neutral and objective. On that basis, ‘If something was reported on the Beeb’ it had authority and accuracy.

Sadly, such is not now the case, and a once greatly-admired media organisation is now automatically lumped in with the rest of the (mainly US) bottom feeders.

How the mighty doth fall.
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October 27, 2018 10:47am
- Justitia
  
  Yes it’s sad but the Beeb is no longer a reliable news source. It has become a hard left propaganda site preaching all the fashionable Marxist causes – transgenderism, the joys of Islam, anti-Brexit, anti-Trump etc. For 24 hour news wallpaper I now tune to France 24 (in English), it’s less grating. Very pleasant announcers and a cool jazz riff behind the global weather forecast.
  
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  October 27, 2018 3:31pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Property developers brace for hard landing – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

… AUSTRALIA … THE BURSTING HOUSING BUBBLE …

Property developers brace for hard landing – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/property-developers-brace-hard-landing/

By Leith van Onselen

Mirvac has joined Stockland in selling-off land sites in a bid to de-risk. From The Australian:

Stockland is offering The Grove Estate in the western Melbourne suburb of Tarneit to select developers and Mirvac is selling a prime site at Ingleside on Sydney’s northern beaches…

Stockland’s contracts on hand remain high at 5741 and it is guiding to more than 6000 settlements this year, but it had only 1030 settlements in the first quarter…

Meanwhile, a new report from Ernst and Young (EY) has warned Australia’s property developers to brace for a downturn not seen in 30 years. From Business Insider: … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Hitting the brick wall … hard …

Australian property developers should prepare for a downturn not seen in 30 years | Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-housing-market-downturn-ey-property-developers-2018-10
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The latest HIA-CoreLogic land report, released this week, recorded a sharp 22% decline in land sales in the year to June, with the price of vacant land hitting an obscene $1100 per square metre in Sydney and $885 per square metre in Melbourne.

Capital city lot prices surge to another record high – MacroBusiness
… behind paywall …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/surging-capital-city-lot-prices-hit-another-record-high/

… concluding …

… Sadly, Australia is becoming a nation where housing choice is limited to an expensive shoebox apartment, or an expensive tiny lot on the fringe.

A country with such an immense land mass having a land shortage is the hallmark of idiotic housing policy. The system is broken.

Access … MacroBusiness Australia …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
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October 27, 2018 10:53am
- Tall Man
  
  I wish the prick that invented cut and paste hadn’t.
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:05am
  - Fletch
    
    Did you know that when they made Tron, the first movie back in 1982, they really had no tools with which to do animation. For example, in the light cycle race they plotted all these coordinates out on graph paper for the two bikes without even knowing what the end result would look like, and someone had to type out the numbers at a terminal to program it in – there was no such thing as a floppy disk to transfer the numbers across between computers. 600 numbers for every four seconds of animation.
    
    https://youtu.be/ZGQUvKtTZdg?t=72
    
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    October 27, 2018 11:28am
    - KevOB
      
      There were floppy disks in 2008 as well as hardrives. The IBM 360 had 8″ floppies and Shugart later brought that technology to the world. They were available by 1976. With two tape drives and a floppy disk it was possible to do program sorts.
      
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      October 27, 2018 12:57pm
    - itstricky
      
      there was no such thing as a floppy disk
      
      You’ve misunderstood. He’s saying they had no animation software so had to map the paths of the objects by hand on graph paper and then input those hand prepared co-ordinates separately.
      
      As KevOB said. Except the typo 2008.
      
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      October 27, 2018 2:58pm
- JibberJabber
  
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  October 27, 2018 11:08am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    WHAT HAS BEEN LEARNED FROM THE IRISH ’07 EVENT ?
    
    Going forward, there is some $NZ600+ billion to wipe out of New Zealand’s grossly over – inflated housing market … some $3.5+ trillion out of Australia’s grossly over – inflated $A7 + trillion one.
    
    The unweighted average median multiples of the Aussie housing market is currently about 5.9 … NZ about 5.8 …
    
    Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions
    
    http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
    
    Back in 2007, Ireland’s unweighted median multiples for its major metros was about 4.7 … that in subsequent years readjusted to 2.8 … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro.
    
    Subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high multiple lending a far greater problem than high loan to value lending and generally capped mortgage lending at 3.5 times household incomes …
    
    Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
    
    https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
    
    In due course the Courts here in Australia and New Zealand will be asking the Banks what they learned from the Irish experience .. and likely will be doing a wholesale readjustment of mortgages to 3.5 times annual household incomes … leaving the Banks to wear it, as best they can.
    
    The Banks will be asked by the Courts whether or not they adequately explained the risks of high multiple lending to their clients.
    
    No doubt international legal firms such as Slater & Gordon will see enormous scope to lead class actions against the Banks …
    
    More than 350,000 households at risk of negative equity | afr.com
    
    https://www.afr.com/personal-finance/more-than-350000-households-at-risk-of-negative-equity-20181025-h1732r
    
    I don’t know what the capital base of the Irish Banks was in 2007.
    
    Around this time last year Sir Ron Brierley, on an Australian Broadcasting Corporation programme, was very clear when the bubble party is over. He knows a thing or 20 about re-adjusting asset prices …
    
    30 years on, Lessons of the 1987 share market crash with former PM Paul Keating (and others) … ABC The Business 18 October 2017
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhiE_zXAxx8
    
    Ron Brierley – Wikipedia
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Brierley
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:19pm
    - KevOB
      
      Is Ron still alive?
      
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      October 27, 2018 12:58pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Still active in the Oz market
        https://www.investordaily.com.au/analysis/43502-why-macquarie-sold-mark-bouris-s-yellow-brick-road
        
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        October 27, 2018 3:11pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Hugh, just be happy house prices are going down, since this is your raison d’être.
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:43pm
  - KevOB
    
    Many won’t be as mortgages are in jeopardy. It’s been obvious for ages that valuations have boosted by excessive liquidity.
    This silly COL–know all but know nothing–have walked into a powerseekers trap. They will wish they have never become the govt.
    
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    October 27, 2018 1:02pm
JibberJabber

A little light relief,
A Millennial interviews a Boomer job applicant,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed-5Zzdbx0E&fbclid=IwAR10uZkMuK1bkU3TIAecBSwwxST2cJ1FqyITBeRa6LogR_7lYT9BC98JgB8
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October 27, 2018 11:04am
DigNap15

Idiots

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12149408

I wonder how many people will travel on this every day.
In Tauranga our buses drive round all day with just the driver and one old lady. No councilors or council staff.
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October 27, 2018 11:45am
- mark15
  
  They flattened 61 state houses as well!!!
  -61 on the kiwibuild log
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:02pm
- MCos
  
  Stands to reason that there ain’t going to be too many passengers on buses going round a cemetery.
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:14pm
kowtow

Dunedin voted the most beautiful city in New Zealand………

……..so why does this heavily indebted place need to spend $60 million that it doesn’t have to tart up its “shabby” appearance?

Beautiful or shabby , can’t be both .

‘The project will include roading, footpath and streetscape improvements and more pedestrianisation, to address public concerns about the central city’s shabby appearance.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/pedestrians-prioritised
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October 27, 2018 11:56am
- Longknives
  
  I thought that was a joke when I first read it!
  Dunedin is a cold, rainy shithole- Trying to think of a landmark apart from that steep street and the (rather sad and pathetic) Ed Sheeran graffiti mural…
  
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  October 27, 2018 12:24pm
  - secondcumming
    
    What about ‘Pete George’? He’s quite good.
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:36pm
    - sooty
      
      To offset that you Cull as mayoress!
      
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      October 27, 2018 5:19pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Some of the campus is very beautiful. But they plonked the hideous Hocken library and other soulless modern buildings into it, so a lot of the campus is horrid.
    
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    October 27, 2018 12:46pm
  - Toko
    
    You’re forgetting Larnach ‘Castle’ which wouldn’t even be a garden folly in a European historic place. And now there is a push to conserve Cargills ‘castle’ which is just a tiny derelict, crumbling, concrete shell with no merit whatsoever. Complete waste of money. We only need one shit castle.
    
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    October 27, 2018 2:17pm
    - Komata
      
      Toko
      
      Concerning the castle; I thought that the Beehive had that honour…
      
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      October 27, 2018 5:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Chinese garden.
    
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    October 27, 2018 2:18pm
    - sooty
      
      Haven’t you MeToo’s castle there somewhere?
      
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      October 27, 2018 5:17pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        At Blueskin’s Bay…. bit north of the City
        Metiria opens the doors to her castle
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11195535
        
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        October 27, 2018 5:57pm
- MCos
  
  I went to Dunedin for the day a few years back. I was suprised at how good the place looked.
  It helped that it was a lovely warm day.
  Certainly not a bland lookalike, forgettable town like Tauranga or Palmerston North.
  
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  October 27, 2018 2:41pm
DJ Ward

PS people are calling me a lefty.
I’m not.

Stephyboy labeled me alt right.
I’m not.

I just don’t like what’s happening. If being the Devils advocate helps. I’ll do it.

Otherwise KB will just be a kissing each other arse site. Rather than debate and search for truth. Clearly I’ll get things wrong in the process.

But I am not a Labour anything. That would be crazy.
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October 27, 2018 12:06pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Devil’s advocacy is trolling. Just say what you really think.
  
  I don’t get much traction for representing a socially liberal, financially conservative Centre-right PoV, but I’m definitely prepared to debate on some issues I really believe in, not ‘arse kiss’.
  
  Arse kissers just go to WO.
  
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  October 27, 2018 1:12pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”I don’t get much traction for representing a socially liberal, financially conservative Centre-right PoV”…..
    
    Well there’s you, me & DPF but that’s about it. The blog was hijacked by conservative nuts who love social control & Baby Jesus yonks ago! 🙂
    
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    October 27, 2018 3:24pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Nah, I’ve been here about a year and it’s not that bad. People kick the tyres of socially liberal ideas and they don’t want to foot the bill for people’s stupid choices.
      
      But where else are we going to go? Just look at the latest KB article, the Austrian/EU conviction of a speaker for ‘disparaging religious doctrines’. That’s what some so called ‘progressives’ want for NZ, e.g. ‘hate speech’ laws.
      
      I’ve always been socially liberal, but that is no longer represented by ‘the left’ in Europe or here. They are now in pro-religious and racist lock-step, supporting identity politics, with violent support from ‘Antifa’!
      
      I’ve kept a close look on England and Europe over the last 10 years. If I lived in the Netherlands for Geert Wilders, in England for UKIP.
      
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      October 27, 2018 4:14pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”I’ve always been socially liberal, but that is no longer represented by ‘the left’ in Europe or here”…..
        
        The Left are totalitarians & the NZ Labour Party are not an exception to the rule.
        
        If the National Party hierarchy used their collective intelligence to realise that the religious conservatives are captive voters with nowhere else to go we might be okay. For a start they could have a quick read of their founding principles which include:
        
        ……”individual freedom and choice; personal responsibility; competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement”……
        
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        October 27, 2018 4:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Stephyboy labeled me alt right.
  
  Yes, I noted that.
  
  He labels a lot of us who comment on KB as belonging to the alt-right,
  
  but he can’t even provide a decent definition for what the alt-right is.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/general_debate_26_october_2018.html#comment-2342759
  
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  October 27, 2018 1:47pm
  - Swifty
    
    He hasn’t advanced past calling everyone names.
    
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    October 27, 2018 1:57pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, for once get over yourself and being so super sensitive,
    
    https://me.me/i/the-alt-right-the-alt-universe-occupy-movement-responsibility-ssenase-5517377
    
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    October 27, 2018 3:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m not supersensitive..
      
      But a couple of companies in Gizzy and some Maori Literacy students here might be in the lurch if your claims that I am an alt-righter (ie a white supremacist, neo-nazi, holocaust denier) are believed.
      
      I post under my own name… your statements here on KB are defamatory.
      
      Financially, I don’t give a stuff….
      
      but have a wee think of how many people here in Gizzy might be dependent upon my professional advice.
      
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      October 27, 2018 3:34pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Let me know if you want his address for your Lawyers
        
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        October 27, 2018 3:42pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Hey Stuffyboy, here’s another not ‘alt-right’ member: pro choice, pro gay rights, pro women’s rights.
        
        And also pro small business, low taxes and small government.
        
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        October 27, 2018 4:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Maybe we need to protect teenage boys from your daughters actions.”
  
  “Maybe we should ask Journalists what male MP’s have bent cocks”
  
  You say you are wanting to be a devil’s advocate. I don’t see either of the above meeting that criteria.
  
  You also over labour a point. We are not stupid here and continually reliving family court issues via this blog is neither helpful nor informative, especially when your view is pretty warped.
  
  If you’re not on meds maybe you should seek advice but in the interim, have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.
  
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  October 27, 2018 3:14pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    The teenage boy comment is a devils advocate comment. Society portrays their precious do no wrong daughters needing protection from evil boys. It however is not teenage girls suiciding in large numbers. There is also no 15 year old girls paying child support but there is boys that age paying.
    
    I generally don’t mention my family court issues but the topics. Paternity fraud, contraception, stealthing, suicides, health, police, court, and political discrimination, sex crimes. Etc. I have no Personel involvement in many of those subjects.
    
    It is however the case that I have advocated for men for many long years. Well recognised within NZs men’s rights and that will never change.
    
    I’m obviously aware that there is very few people who talk about men’s issues. I have even had people like you tell me it’s wrong to do so. I’ve even been told its political suicide. There is quite simply no questions in parliament about men’s issues as a result.
    
    I’m sorry I don’t meet your standards of warped, but I believe in a society that is not corrupt, and one that does not hate men.
    
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    October 27, 2018 4:36pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Good on you, DJW, those are true issues that need to be discussed. I think many men get a raw deal in custody battles.
      
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      October 27, 2018 4:54pm
- RightNow
  
  I’ve noticed I agree with some of your comments and disagree on others.
  No problem with that.
  
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  October 27, 2018 3:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@DJ Ward

I assume you are commenting here under your own surname and initials.

Kiwiblog is not a safe space.

There are some folks who comment here who are willing to post up lies/smears/defamatory statements about other commenters with absolutely no evidence to support their claims/innuendo.

If you are dependent on your name/reputation for your livelihood, then exercise caution with the personal information you post here.

But, if like me, you have no reputation to safeguard/or are stinking rich, then suck up Stephieboy’s & co smears. They don’t seem to be too effective, as far as I can make out.
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October 27, 2018 2:50pm
DigNap15

I am right wing and proud of it.
Not extreme right as in the nazis (but close to it)
I don’t know what alt right is.

What is the term for rabid left wingers that hate Trump and protest violently in the streets?
(Its not communist)
So maybe Alt- Left
or Ctrl-Left
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October 27, 2018 4:41pm
- kowtow
  
  Don’t fall into that trap .
  
  The Nazis weren’t right wing at all. National socialists they called themselves.
  
  They were big state types , and definitely left wingers.
  
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  October 27, 2018 5:26pm
  - Jules99
    
    Yes, before the war champagne socialists enthused about fascism because it was a less extreme form of communism – i.e they didn’t have to give up private ownership.
    
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    October 27, 2018 8:42pm
Komata

DigNap

Re: ‘The name for…’ etc:

Currently in the USA it’s ‘Democrats’/ ‘Democratic Socialists’, or ‘Bernie Sanders’ (aka old-school Soviet-era Communism). Elsewhere it’s anything with the word ‘Demoratic’ in its name, or carrying any refetence to ‘Labour’ in its title.

Observation over many years indicates that the more ‘Democratic’ is emphasised, the less actual ‘Democracy’ there is…
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October 27, 2018 5:27pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes its sort of like Labour in NZ
  The more they act the less jobs (labour) there are!
  
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  October 27, 2018 6:18pm
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIA … THE BURSTING HOUSING BUBBLE …

Property developers brace for hard landing – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/property-developers-brace-hard-landing/

By Leith van Onselen

Mirvac has joined Stockland in selling-off land sites in a bid to de-risk. From The Australian:

Stockland is offering The Grove Estate in the western Melbourne suburb of Tarneit to select developers and Mirvac is selling a prime site at Ingleside on Sydney’s northern beaches…

Stockland’s contracts on hand remain high at 5741 and it is guiding to more than 6000 settlements this year, but it had only 1030 settlements in the first quarter…

Meanwhile, a new report from Ernst and Young (EY) has warned Australia’s property developers to brace for a downturn not seen in 30 years. From Business Insider: … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Hitting the brick wall … hard …

Australian property developers should prepare for a downturn not seen in 30 years | Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-housing-market-downturn-ey-property-developers-2018-10
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The latest HIA-CoreLogic land report, released this week, recorded a sharp 22% decline in land sales in the year to June, with the price of vacant land hitting an obscene $1100 per square metre in Sydney and $885 per square metre in Melbourne.

Capital city lot prices surge to another record high – MacroBusiness
… behind paywall …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/surging-capital-city-lot-prices-hit-another-record-high/

… concluding …

… Sadly, Australia is becoming a nation where housing choice is limited to an expensive shoebox apartment, or an expensive tiny lot on the fringe.

A country with such an immense land mass having a land shortage is the hallmark of idiotic housing policy. The system is broken.

Access … MacroBusiness Australia …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
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October 27, 2018 5:30pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  WHAT HAS BEEN LEARNED FROM THE IRISH ’07 EVENT ?
  
  Going forward, there is some $NZ600+ billion to wipe out of New Zealand’s grossly over – inflated $NZ1.2 trillion housing market … some $3.5+ trillion out of Australia’s grossly over – inflated $A7 + trillion one.
  
  The unweighted average metros median multiples of the Aussie housing market is currently about 5.9 … NZ about 5.8 …
  
  Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions
  
  http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
  
  Back in 2007, Ireland’s unweighted median multiples for its major metros was about 4.7 … that in subsequent years readjusted to 2.8 … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro.
  
  Subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high multiple lending a far greater problem than high loan to value lending … and generally capped mortgage lending at 3.5 times household incomes …
  
  Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
  
  https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
  
  In due course the Courts here in Australia and New Zealand will be asking the Banks what they learned from the Irish experience .. and likely will be doing a wholesale readjustment of mortgages to 3.5 times annual household incomes … leaving the Banks to wear it … as best they can.
  
  The Banks will be asked by the Courts whether or not they adequately explained the risks of high multiple lending to their clients.
  
  No doubt international legal firms such as Slater & Gordon ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slater_and_Gordon_Lawyers ) will see enormous scope to lead class actions against the Banks …
  
  More than 350,000 households at risk of negative equity | afr.com
  
  https://www.afr.com/personal-finance/more-than-350000-households-at-risk-of-negative-equity-20181025-h1732r
  
  I don’t know what the capital base of the Irish Banks was in 2007.
  
  Around this time last year, Sir Ron Brierley, on an Australian Broadcasting Corporation programme, was very clear when the bubble party is over. He knows a thing or 20 about re-adjusting asset prices …
  
  30 years on, Lessons of the 1987 share market crash with former PM Paul Keating (and others) … ABC The Business 18 October 2017
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhiE_zXAxx8
  
  Ron Brierley – Wikipedia
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Brierley
  
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  October 27, 2018 5:33pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Above posted at …
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/general_debate_27_october_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2343761 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/general_debate_26_october_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2343632 (with extensive further posts) … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/property-developers-brace-hard-landing/#comment-3213052 … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/property-developers-brace-hard-landing/#comment-3213055 (behind paywall)
    
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    October 27, 2018 6:10pm
    - Swifty
      
      You’re masturbating very hard today Hugh.
      
      Its a wonder your maggot can handle it. Practice I suppose.
      
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      October 27, 2018 6:15pm
      - nasska
        
        The difference between pink & purple is all in the grip! 🙂
        
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        October 27, 2018 6:18pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Did someone say “maggot”?
        
        http://i.imgur.com/wT4XtDj.gif
        
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        October 27, 2018 6:20pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Here Comes The Housing Bust “Reverse Wealth Effect” – Australia Edition | Zero Hedge
        
        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-25/here-comes-housing-bust-reverse-wealth-effect-australia-edition
        
        Authored by John Rubino via DollarCollapse.com,
        
        For the past few years, homeowners just about everywhere have been able to finesse life’s problems by thinking “at least my house is going up.” This home equity accretion allowed them to buy stuff on credit, safe in the knowledge that even as they maxed out yet another credit card their net worth continued to rise. They felt smart and confident, in other words, and so continued to behave in ways that the modern world defines as normal and natural.
        
        But now that’s ending. Home prices have stopped rising in many places and in a few canaries in the financial coal mine have begun to plunge. Here’s what “plunge” means for Australians:
        
        House prices ‘falling by over $1,000 a week’ in Sydney and Melbourne, Deloitte says … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        October 27, 2018 7:53pm
      - Swifty
        
        And he whips it out again!
        
        What a Great Masturbator you are. You’re right up there with Dali!
        
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        October 27, 2018 8:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        A great shame John Key failed out of the ’08 election …
        
        PM John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        … meeting his political Waterloo in 2016 … as predicted by Pavletich …
        
        Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/Housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-Keys-Waterloo
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
        
        … and deservedly thrown on the Opposition benches less than 12 months later … because of housing failure.
        
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        October 27, 2018 11:42pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        House prices ‘falling $1,000 a week’ in Australian cities | RNZ News
        
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/369623/house-prices-falling-1-000-a-week-in-australian-cities
        
        Housing price crash: NSW, VIC governments too reliant on stamp duty … News com au
        
        https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/selling/the-hidden-cost-of-the-house-price-crash/news-story/4421ceb825db90d60bce2cea4a067536
        
        Why Sydney and Melbourne real estate downturn will be far worse than the 1980s with 15% drop tipped | Daily Mail Online
        
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6318517/Why-Sydney-Melbourne-real-estate-downturn-far-worse-1980s-15-drop-tipped.html
        
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        October 28, 2018 12:22am
      - Swifty
        
        I must play with my willie! Oh, oh, oooooh!
        
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        October 28, 2018 12:58am
    - Happychappy
      
      I notice you haven’t commented on the Three News Column on housing to get worse under Labour and the Coalition and their inability to even keep up to the housing shortage. But I guess when you make out everyone else is wrong and you are blessed with all the answers to fix it then you get blinded by your own arrogance.
      
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      October 28, 2018 6:22pm
starboard

“hic.. Hic”…
Cut back on the misery pills Hughie
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October 27, 2018 5:37pm
Morrissey

Next ACT spokesman on Law and Order?

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/kiwi-assaults-five-uk-bar-staff-over-toilet-refusal
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October 27, 2018 5:39pm
- kowtow
  
  We love to say how much we “punch above our weight on the international stage”
  
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  October 27, 2018 9:57pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 51: Michael Douglas

Author and journalist Susan Braudy has gone public with accusations of sexual harassment against Michael Douglas, following the actor’s preemptive interview earlier this month about the forthcoming allegations.

Speaking to the Hollywood Reporter, Braudy discussed how, in the late ’80s, she was hired to run the New York office of Stonebridge Productions, Douglas’ production company. During her time working with him, she claims he subjected her to sexually charged comments about her appearance and his mistresses, and masturbated in front of her during a private script meeting in his apartment.

During that incident in 1989, Braudy describes how Douglas “unzipped his chinos and I registered something amiss. Still complimenting my additions to our (script), his voice lowered at least half an octave. I peered at him and saw he’d inserted both hands into his unzipped pants. I realized to my horror that he was rubbing his private parts. Within seconds his voice cracked and it appeared to me he’d had an orgasm. Michael ran barefoot after me to the elevator, zipping his fly and buckling his belt,” Braudy said. “I vowed I’d never be alone with him again.”…..

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/01/19/michael-douglas-accused-sexual-misconduct-writer-susan-braudy-appalled/1047226001/

http://time.com/5109402/michael-douglas-sexual-harassment/

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”); 24 David Lloyd George; 25 James Franco; 26 Joel Kramer; 27 Rene Naufahu; 28 Steve Wynn; 29 Vince McMahon; 30 Rob Porter; 31 The old buffers at Russell McVeagh; 32 Otago law students; 33 Tom Brokaw; 34 David Scott; 35 Justin Trudeau; 36 Morgan Freeman; 37 Hugh Hefner’s guests; 38 Brock Turner; 39 Les Moonves; 40 Asia Argento; 41 [name withheld]; 42 NY subway groper; 43 His Dishonor Brett Kavanaugh; 44 Corey Lewandowski; 45 Brooke Howard-Smith; 46 Dr. Filth McGraw; 47 Dominique Strauss-Kahn; 48 Roger Ailes; 49 Louis C.K.; 50 Geoffrey Rush
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October 27, 2018 5:57pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  No Doctors to take care of this mental disorder?
  Need a new working group to study this Morris – something.
  
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  October 27, 2018 6:38pm
nasska

And in breaking news:

Food labelling scandal hits the church.

Communion wafers found to contain 0% Christ.
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October 27, 2018 6:42pm
Prince

I see Ardern hosted a street party for some ‘Kiwibuild’ families today.
Did she pay ?
Did Labour pay for the free advertising ?
Did the taxpayer pay ?
If the latter, how about allocating some of the surplus for hard working taxpayers who buy their own homes, pay their own mortgages, maintain their properties, plan their families etc.
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October 27, 2018 6:48pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The ‘surplus’ is no longer yours. It was stolen some time ago, by none other than Taxinda
  
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  October 27, 2018 6:53pm
- nasska
  
  If we have enough of a surplus for Labour to host street parties then there should be ample to reinstate National’s tax cuts.
  
  But that wouldn’t buy Ardern & her queer mates another three years of profligacy.
  
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  October 27, 2018 6:55pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Was Dave Dobbyn paid by us taxpayers?
  
  I suspect so
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:41pm
MrTips

Snigger. This’ll really rev someone up.
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October 27, 2018 7:26pm
dcrown

The Dems are now openingly campaigning on the platform that will transform the US into Venezuela …

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/26/socialist-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-caravan-migrants-are-refugees-with-legal-right-to-asylum-in-u-s/
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October 27, 2018 7:53pm
Southern Raider

I see the Herald has gone full Labour

Huge positive right up about first 14 homes, even though they aren’t ready yet. Also no mention that they were already underway by a private developer who Labour just paid off. Herald also claimed it was a “NZ first”

I notice the couple interviewed seemed to be quite young, no kids and now have a four bedroom house. Pity about the poor families who can’t find anywhere modern and large enough.

Also is $649K for a first home really “affordable”?
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October 27, 2018 8:44pm
- waikatogirl
  
  It is when it is presumably subsidised by the taxpayer? I doubt you could build it for that, let alone the cost of the land. They were the lucky couple who won the ballot for the first Kiwibuild house – a knockdown price for the marketing promotion of Twitford’s amazeballs Kiwibuild scheme.
  
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  October 27, 2018 8:50pm
- DigNap15
  
  And Ardern was there.
  Where was baby Neve?
  
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  October 28, 2018 7:32am
Jack5

Michael Reddell in his Croaking Cassandra blog today talks of Jacinderella’s blind spot on China interference.

Riddell’s view supplements comments by a former senior Australian defence and security expert that New Zealand politicians have no appetite to tell New Zealanders about China’s interference.

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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October 27, 2018 9:24pm
Rodney Randall

What is this y242 (phonetic spelling) legislation Maori Activist Sacha McMeeking refers to? Possibly it is in its infancy at this stage? but it could be the legislation that Maori hope will help them realise their ultimate goal of restoring NZ land ownership to a model of Maori guardianship?

I was unaware of the deep seated hatred some Iwi leaders and Maori academics possess.

Their hatred for whitey knows no bounds.

These divisive self loathing poisoness snakes are infecting the next generation.
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October 27, 2018 9:45pm
- Jack5
  
  From the Ministry for Women, on Sacha McMeeking:
  
  … head of the Maori Department at the University of Canterbury, the social entrepreneur, strategist and solution builder also runs boutique consultancy Catalytic, which has established a reputation for specialising in government relations and iwi engagement.
  
  Watch what happens at Canterbury University under the coming new vice-chancellor, being imported from South Africa. Cheryl de La Rey was the first woman and the first non-white person to head South Africa’s University of Pretoria.
  
  While she has been in charge, that university has reduced the role of Afrikaans, making English the the primary medium of instruction.
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:16pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    The Tukkies speaking English?
    Very weird.
    
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    October 28, 2018 9:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do you mean the Wai-262 Claim?… the Flora & Fauna Claim
  
  https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/news/ko-aotearoa-tenei-report-on-the-wai-262-claim-released/
  
  https://lianza.org.nz/sites/default/files/aroha_te_pareake_mead_-_the_wai-262_taonga_claim.pdf
  
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  October 27, 2018 10:31pm
  - Jack5
    
    A sample of the report on the Wai-262 claim that Maggy links to:
    
    The Tribunal’s recommendations can be found in each chapter of Ko Aotearoa Tenei. But they include:
    
    The establishment of new partnership bodies in education, conservation, and culture and heritage; a new commission to protect Maori cultural works against derogatory or offensive uses and unauthorised commercial uses; a new funding agent for matauranga Maori in science; and expanded roles for some existing bodies including Te Taura Whiri (the Maori Language Commission), the newly established national rongoa body Te Paepae Matua mo te Rongoa, and Maori advisory bodies relating to patents and environmental protection.
    
    Improved support for rongoa Maori (Maori traditional healing), te reo Maori, and other aspects of Maori culture and Maori traditional knowledge.
    
    Amendments to laws covering Maori language, resource management, wildlife, conservation, cultural artifacts, environmental protection, patents and plant varieties, and more.
    
    An explanation of the term used above, Matauranga Maori. This is from the Landcare Research site:
    
    Matauranga Maori can be defined as ‘the knowledge, comprehension, or understanding of everything visible and invisible existing in the universe’, and is often used synonymously with wisdom. In the contemporary world, the definition is usually extended to include present–day, historic, local, and traditional knowledge; systems of knowledge transfer and storage; and the goals, aspirations and issues from an indigenous perspective.
    
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    October 28, 2018 8:04am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    “We must move away from the Western model of dominion over the land and animals” Sacha Mcmeeking
    
    “I want to see a world where noone owns any land and WE become the guardians” Sacha McMeeking
    
    “We still haven’t got OUR mountaib back yet” (Mt Cook Aoraki) Sir Mark Solomon
    
    Dress it up anyway they want (Wai242.)
    
    The activists/separatists driving this will never be happy.
    The industry carved up around grievance is too entrenched in their psyches
    
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    October 28, 2018 8:21am
Kabull

Listen to Mark Levin interviewing Patrick Michaels, a senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute. Michaels is a well respected climate change skeptic and gives a fascinating insight into the ‘fake’ models used by governments for climate modelling. He notes that there are 32 models used around the world – only one (the Russian one) bears any relationship to reality. All the others are ‘parameterised’ – which he translates as ‘fudged’. He also discusses the capture of science by governments and the need for publicly funded science bodies to produce work that is acceptable to the government or does not conflict with government policies.
A somewhat lengthy interview at 40 minutes, but well worth a listen if you find the climate hysteria an anathema.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmqqRF9lkfw&feature=youtu.be
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