General Debate 23 October 2018

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igm

Donald becomes better by the day:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/108024697/transgender-definition-may-be-erased-in-the-united-states
Wonderful idea!
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October 23, 2018 8:01am
- Longknives
  
  Meanwhile in New Zealand-
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/15/277680/gender-reassignment-surgery-cap-lifted
  
  This will potentially cost the Taxpayer hundreds of millions of dollars- Astoundingly some ‘Rainbow’ activist said on the radio the other day that the new development will also fund Transitioning back to your normal Sex..’No questions asked’!
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:04am
  - igm
    
    If they want to deny their born genders and chop bits off, then let them pay for it themselves . . . not waste my taxes on their perverted preferences.
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:11am
  - Chris2
    
    Maybe just smoke and mirrors as I recall the only surgeon capable of this surgery in NZ, retired last year.
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:12am
    - igm
      
      I have an applicator and bag of rubber rings . . . good enough for ram lambs, maybe too good for perverts!
      
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      October 23, 2018 8:16am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        A decent hot-iron is better than rings – unless you want to push the testes inside the body before removing the scrotum.
        
        bit tough on lambs though – 😉
        
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        October 23, 2018 8:20am
    - sooty
      
      Send them all to asia for reassignment.
      Who knows what they will come out as?
      All labour voters!
      
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      October 23, 2018 8:18am
    - jp_1983
      
      Just think they will fund their travel to go overseas to get the surgery
      
      If its funded and not available in NZ they will fly you to get it overseas.
      
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      October 23, 2018 8:19am
      - igm
        
        How about sending them to Iran?
        
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        October 23, 2018 8:22am
      - Longknives
        
        So the Taxpayer will get the bill for flights/insurance etc as well as the surgery?
        Freaking Marvellous..
        
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        October 23, 2018 8:27am
    - Inandout
      
      The doctor from Christchurch (I presume) you mention actually started the operation, I am sure originally working on genuine cases. It has now become almost like a facelift.
      
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      October 23, 2018 8:55am
    - mark15
      
      It’s ok,I’m going to declare myself to be a gender-reassignment surgeon born in the wrong body.
      Next!
      
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      October 23, 2018 12:07pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Or
    Less hip and knee replacements etc
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:52am
    - igm
      
      Cannot worry about hip and knee replacements, these being required by middle-aged white taxpayers, not unemployable perverted Labour leeches.
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:27am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Might be for Muslims to get down on their prayer mats,
        
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        October 23, 2018 5:29pm
  - Harkman
    
    How do they go back to their original sex? Do they keep the sausage cryogenically frozen or something? Boy will that cost us.
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:02am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      Pretty easy considering they never actually left. But if you cut your ear off, you’ll never grow another.
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:29am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I have a question.
    
    Gender Dysphoria is the condition where the patients gender identity does not match their physical gender.
    
    So why do we default to surgical intervention to change their gender appearance as opposed to therapy to address their identity issues?
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:27am
  - skyblue
    
    Who in their right mind wants to come in some blokes scrotum sack after turning it into a ‘vagina’? Chromosomes are still the same, hence you are just shagging a dickless bloke.
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:41am
    - sooty
      
      That’s the way of second rate sportsmen are going. Becoming leading sportswomen!
      
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      October 23, 2018 11:07am
  - Fletch
    
    This was one of the promises Labour made to ‘Rainbow Labour’ before the election when they announced Jacinda’s run at the gay bar in K road. At the time Grant Robertson walked out and said that one of their new policies is to make sure that sex changes are part of elective surgeries because the wait time is too long.
    
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    October 23, 2018 11:11am
    - starboard
      
      Big Norm will be spinning at maximum RPM in his grave.
      
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      October 23, 2018 11:24am
      - Tall Man
        
        May have wanted to be Big Norma……
        
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        October 23, 2018 2:09pm
      - sooty
        
        Grant Robertson may want the op, himself. What’s the female name version of Grant
        
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        October 23, 2018 4:37pm
    - fluffykiwi
      
      So is it Grant or Alf who is waiting?
      
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      October 23, 2018 5:30pm
      - igm
        
        Maybe they are going to compete with “Jimmy’s Two Mummies”!
        
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        October 23, 2018 5:43pm
- Scott
  
  I just love what’s happening in the USA. They are becoming great, one tax cut, one less regulation and one less piece of political correctness at a time.
  
  Meanwhile our government is pursuing the exact opposite course. Make New Zealand Venezuela! That appears to be their aim?
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:42am
  - sooty
    
    Lying Cindy!
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:58am
    - starboard
      
      ..pants on fire
      
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      October 23, 2018 10:48am
  - freethinker
    
    And thats about the only thing the COLL is successful at!!!
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:37pm
redeye

Apparently we can’t afford Cochlear implants but, thanks to our progressive government, we can afford cock implants.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/15/277680/gender-reassignment-surgery-cap-lifted
The Government plans to dramatically increase the number of gender affirmation surgeries for transgender patients, Newsroom can reveal.
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October 23, 2018 8:01am
- dime
  
  disgusting aye
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:53am
- MrTips
  
  I am reliably informed that it is known in the trade as the Edmunds procedure – sure to rise.
  
  Grant Robertson signaled this policy straight after the election. It’s one of their more crazy ones that for sure.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:34am
- fluffykiwi
  
  And of course they will all want “large” ones . One size fits all maybe, factory created all the same.
  
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  October 23, 2018 5:31pm
Captain Mainwaring

So the increasing numbers of homeless people in South Auckland are moving from park to park looking for somewhere to park their sad arses.
Wasn’t Princess Tooth Fairy going to fix this problem? She’s already had a year to do something.
Is Ardern a liar?
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October 23, 2018 8:01am
- Inandout
  
  Captain, there must be a park somewhere around Sandringham for the homeless to infest. They could then take a stroll past Cindy’s cottage.
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:59am
- Harkman
  
  “Wasn’t Princess Tooth Fairy going to fix this problem?” She did the old Labour party trick, stop counting them (then start worrying again when they’re in opposition).
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:05am
  - sooty
    
    No. She moved to Wellington!
    
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    October 23, 2018 11:08am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      They could all housesit her home.
      
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      October 23, 2018 5:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  Is Ardern a liar?
  
  Yes she is and what’s worse is the MSM cover for her.
  
  Let’s see if any of the labour interns in here ever answer that question.
  
  Is Ardern a liar?
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:14am
  - starboard
    
    “No new taxes on my watch”
    
    That’s one of the better ones.
    
    Liar liar.
    
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    October 23, 2018 10:50am
    - Paulus
      
      No Strikes on my watch too !
      
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      October 23, 2018 1:25pm
- KiWombat
  
  Haven’t you heard the latest?
  
  With rising fuel and RUC charges going through the roof, many are now finding it cheaper to pay rent rather than living in their cars – Problem Solved !
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:48am
- DigNap15
  
  Here in Tauranga they say homleessness has gone way down.
  They are all being put up in hotels, social housing, private houses etc.
  But who pays for it and why?
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:17am
sooty

Now that Jethro is going back to work,
Who pays for the nanny?
How many of them are there?
Does Jethro get unlimited travel to meet the girlfriend in Wellington.
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October 23, 2018 8:03am
- sooty
  
  What is the rules for free travel?
  Is it for legal wife/husband?
  Where do partners fit in?
  They have after all made Wellington their primary house!
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:09am
  - KiWombat
    
    I heard that free travel for nanny is also being explored – maybe partners can be re-assigned to nanny duties ?
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:51am
- artemisia
  
  That stay-at-home-dad stint wasn’t very fun for long.
  
  Given that was such a big deal at the outset, what will the spin be now?
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:09am
  - sooty
    
    He’s a TV star!
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:19am
    - Harkman
      
      A really massive TV star, I can’t get enough of him ?
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:07am
- RF
  
  Hey mission accomplished. He got his first class all expenses paid trip to the US. Think of the exposure for his TV series.
  
  Now squirrel gets farmed out to family.
  
  But wait there is more – There will be a compulsory selfie with Prince Harry paying homage to Ardern and baby.
  
  We are just stupid suckers to accept this.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:11am
  - Paulus
    
    He has got two more trips before Christmas – not to Santa but the APEC Conference in PNG in November and the Climate Change one in Poland.
    Probably will take the Private 757 to the PNG – day there and back, and a much longer one to Poland (not 757 as would never make it).
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:30pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Can Squirrel go to PNG?
      
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      October 23, 2018 1:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  You mean this guy?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQduC6N5OY
  
  “literally hundreds and hundreds of successful relationships…….”
  
  What a guy. Would love to know his measurement of “successful”.
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:53am
  - Longknives
    
    What a repugnant sleazebucket.
    Ali Mau? Where are you Ali Mau??
    
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    October 23, 2018 11:23am
    - Tall Man
      
      Perfect fit for the bludger PM.
      
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      October 23, 2018 2:13pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    I suppose that’s what you call a serial monogamist?
    (aka a cheap shag)
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:44pm
Simon

One Chinaman worth two Indians. Thats political insight you can take to the bank.

Gee lets hope that Chinese resident in NZ that have extensive business back in China are paying 33% income tax on their worldwide income.
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October 23, 2018 8:05am
- secondcumming
  
  Or as they say in *Sky City’s* high -rollers room….
  
  “I’ll see your Indian and raise you two Chinamen” 😛
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:22am
JIV

This new Onzo bike sharing scheme in Wellington seems to be taking off. Especially on sunny days like we had in the weekend. They appear to be mainly used by young tourists who are happy to glide slowly round looking at the sights. The trouble is they all ride of the footpaths and about 3/4 dont wear the helmet that comes with the bike. The helmet will always be the problem with a bike sharing scheme as everyone doesnt have the same size head and who knows who was using it before you.
So, if the police are happy to look the other way for this scheme then why do I have to wear a helmet and obey the road rules when I’m on a bike.
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October 23, 2018 8:12am
- Simon
  
  “if the police are happy to look the other way for this scheme ”
  
  Its NZ values. Anything for the tourist dollars.
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:17am
  - sooty
    
    It all costs the same to ACC. Tourist are covered just the same.
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:20am
  - JIV
    
    Dont get me wrong, I think the scheme is a good idea and its fun to see where the bikes end up.
    Its just that its been such a firm law that is non-negotiable. If the helmet regulations are relaxed a bit Im happy with that too.
    Just make sure its consistent.
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:24am
    - sooty
      
      No ACC for tourist!
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:00am
      - suzieq
        
        Bill English’s reply to a questioner during the 2017 election campaign abut this was that ACC was cheaper than allowing tourists to sue.
        
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        October 23, 2018 4:33pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The health cost of people not cycling due to the helmet requirement, far outweighs the health benefit of having a helmet on:
  
  https://warriorfactor.wordpress.com/2018/10/13/debunking-the-biggest-myths-of-mandatory-bicycle-helmet-law-advocates
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:34am
  - Simon
    
    Here is what will happen. At least in Auckland. Bikes aint cars so the planning mongs at first love them.
    
    In Auckland people who work or study in the city drive as close as possbile to city to park all day free. They catch the bus or train for the last stage. With these bikes and the bike ways people will instead bike the last bit and not catch the Marxist transport options. Free market at its best.
    
    The Council in reasponce will kill inner city bikes. They want everyone on the trains.
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:55am
- Simon
  
  Onzo bike sharing scheme, just looked that up. Rotten with Wellington Council involvement. No wonder helmet laws over looked.
  
  More NZ values.
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:49am
- Harkman
  
  Down here in Chch the council must have brought zillions of electric scooters, they’re everywhere. Again no helmets, flat out on the footpath. Like every dopey Marxist idea, the feral underclass has flogged them as their free round the town vehicles, way out in the suburbs, I saw a guy walking the dog on one with groceries in the other hand.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:15am
  - Woz
    
    It’s a private operation, Harkman. No ratepayer dollars that I’m aware of, but it’s still a dopey Marxist idea. Dreamed up by millennial wankers, for millennial wankers, so far the only type I’ve seen using them. I’ve already seen the wretched things dumped in suburban streets, and after just a few days operation they’re already looking banged around.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107809198/lime-scooters-to-hit-the-streets-of-christchurch-and-auckland?rm=m
    
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    October 23, 2018 10:17am
    - DigNap15
      
      They are giving up on it in China where it all started, and Chinese people probably have more honesty than we do.
      Its a stupid idea
      
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      October 23, 2018 10:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Last year yellow obikes were all over the place in Melbourne (up trees, in the Yarra, dumped on front-yards, stuck on fences).
      The Singapore company running the scheme abandoned it this June.
      
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-12/obike-dockless-bicycle-scheme-to-leave-melbourne/9860314
      
      So only the blue Melbourne-Share bikes are operating in Melbourne now. I didn’t see one of those bikes in use at all as I was prowling Melbourne City and its inner suburbs earlier this month.
      
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      October 23, 2018 10:49am
  - Paulus
    
    Watch Trade Me shortly !
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:32pm
secondcumming

OZZIE MEDICAL BREAKTHROUGH ?

*Gay conversion Therapy*

Mary (not her real name), was only 17 when she was sent away to a psychiatric hospital in the late 1980’s, because she told her parents “…she’d fallen in love with another woman”

Mary says she was forced to sit in an Ice-Bath while Bible verses were read to her.
She was interrogated about her ‘sinful attraction’ and warned it would separate her from God’s love.

Then she had electrodes attached to her genitals……

https://twitter.com/FarrahTomazin/status/1051569311716790273
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October 23, 2018 8:13am
- krazykiwi
  
  You believe this account?
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:19am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s a lot of crazy shit goin’ on when there’s compo to be had.
    
    ‘A young girl who sustained a severe brain injury after she fell off the side of a Luas tram when she was “tram surfing” has settled her High Court action for €550,000’
    
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/girl-who-sustained-severe-brain-injury-while-tramsurfing-on-luas-settles-550k-high-court-action-37437810.html
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:45am
  - mark15
    
    Feelings trump facts nowadays buddy
    
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    October 23, 2018 12:12pm
- Inandout
  
  Wow sc, in Arabia this Farrah would have had explosives tied to her genitals and then been thrown off the highest building. An electrode bath by comparison sounds a good alternative. In any case, she should have a chat with Alison Mau.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:14am
  - Harkman
    
    You sure the Arabs aren’t semi gay? A guy I worked with was a cook in Afghanistan he said a local told him , “The women are for breading, the men are for companionship and the camels are for loving.” Sounds like our Ralphboy to me.
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:19am
    - Inandout
      
      Harkman, reading between the lines, even Lawrence of Arabia had his two boy ‘companions’ for other than home help. Going by what is happening in Germany, Muslims will root anything that moves, except of course another unmarried Muslim.
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:25am
    - mark15
      
      But for the ultimate pleasure,drill a hole in a melon.
      
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      October 23, 2018 12:14pm
holysheet

Went to a club with Mrs Holy.
There was a guy on the dance floor going
mental twerking break dancing, spinning moon walking, back flips, the lot .
She turned to me and said, “See that guy? 37 years ago he proposed to me and I turned him down.”
I said, “By the looks of it he’s still celebrating!”
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October 23, 2018 8:14am
- pdm
  
  What hospital are you in Holy?
  
  GD regulars might want to send flowers.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:29am
Captain Mainwaring

Precisely zero comments to yesterday’s crossword answers, following two cynical comments on the crossword itself.
Time for Mr. Stringer to save himself the trouble.
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October 23, 2018 8:18am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh God, now he’s got a quiz about ‘famous’ NZ women.
  Is this guy an attention-seeker or something?
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:15am
oldpark

Latest Global Warming scam revealed. Yes the far left lunatics in the UN have 31 scales on so called Global Warming or temperature change. All out to con World Governments to cough up plenty of money. Even NZ has been conned to pay circa $1,300,000,000.Dollars and even have had their Oil and Gas Exploration closed down. Virtually on a whim by a little town jerk called Ardern,who has bought into the scam.
Now it been revealed that the only accurate so called World temperature change over the last almost 100 years has showed up on the Russia Scale. Yes back to the early 1920s and up until 2009. Just over .5 of a degree.Bet the fughwits in NZ from Peters installed Coalition of Corruption and Chaos dont want this time of accurate information to get into the Psyche of NZs voters.
Check out Dr Patrick J Michaels up dated book called “Lukewarm”.You wont be sorry to see the myth and scam of so called “Global Warming” exposed.
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October 23, 2018 8:20am
- flipper
  
  Michaels is very, very good.
  Yesterday he was interviewed at length (see Google and/or the interview for his CV) on “Life, Liberty and Levin”. The following is the link:
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/environment
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:37am
  - oldpark
    
    @Flipper.
    Brilliant link. Thought i was the only one who watched it. Thank you.
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:04am
    - flipper
      
      Yep OP…
      Life, Liberty and Levin is good value. Levin actually allows his guests to talk to him as opposed to him talking at them.
      🙂
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:34am
  - Inandout
    
    flipper, Levin is required viewing. As an aside, I am concerned though that Google suppresses anything that mentions ‘climate hoax’. I have discovered that Duck Duck doesn’t, so will use them in future.
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:30am
kowtow

Any “learnings” for us here .

‘Vancouver was the first place to experience the tidal wave of Chinese cash. Now the city is leading efforts to stop it.’

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-20/vancouver-is-drowning-in-chinese-money
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October 23, 2018 8:20am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Been there a few times in the last couple of years. Taking photos of the exotic cars for my and the eldest sons benefit is nearly a full time job, and nearly every single one has a Chinese driver. House prices are through the roof.
  
  Just. Like. Auckland.
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:53am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If you’re passing laws to try to stop people investing in your city or country, you are either a socialist, a racist, or just deeply confused. Take your pick.
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:56am
  - kowtow
    
    “Investing” or laundering ?
    
    Integrating or colonising ?
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      You appear to be a narrow minded bigot in this case.
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:25am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Re laundering, if there is evidence the money is stolen then don’t accept it. But a person’s race or nationality is not, by itself, evidence of any such thing.
      
      The ‘colonising ‘ point is about immigration not investment. Yet somehow people get even more hysterical when the investor does not live here.
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:54am
  - Liberty
    
    Nigel
    You are correct
    The ignorant claim
    All chinese are money laundering is just crap.
    It is as appalling as
    All Muslims are terrorist.
    
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    October 23, 2018 11:04am
    - kowtow
      
      It is neither ignorant nor bigotted to point out that there’s a huge amount of Chinese money , seeking illegal outlets from the Mainland and that money is skewing the targetted property markets.
      
      “The biggest problem for these upper-middle-class citizens is that the government severely restricts capital flows out of the country. Beijing wants money earned in China to stay in China to help fund further development, regardless of the financial consequences this might have for individuals.”
      
      https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2167731/desperate-chinese-middle-class-take-big-risks-move-money-and-themselves
      
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      October 23, 2018 4:27pm
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Kia ora mate.

Muddling up languages causes problems.

https://www.rt.com/business/441849-cola-greeting-new-zealand/
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October 23, 2018 8:29am
kowtow

Damn good thing we’re surrounded by water , otherwise there’d be “migrant caravans” heading this way constantly .

As it is plenty enough just buy a plane ticket.

‘More asylum seekers claimed refuge once they were in New Zealand last year than in any year on record.’

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/368572/record-number-of-asylum-seekers-in-nz-last-year
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October 23, 2018 8:29am
- JibberJabber
  
  Only a matter of time that a bunch will get enough cash together to charter a one way flight.
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:52am
waikatogirl

Paddy Gower on TV3 AM gives Cindy a gold star for her leadership and says Cindy’s greatest achievement is the baby.

Just threw up a little. ?
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October 23, 2018 8:32am
- holysheet
  
  What else has the silly little girl done?
  It’s all about the baaaybeeee, don’t you know…
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:40am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Here’s a list
    Industrial strikes
    inflation
    Lower growth
    Increased taxes (less money in everyone’s pocket)
    Increased unemployment
    Didn’t say it was a list of GOOD achievements.
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:01am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Inflation, growth and unemployment have a time delay so I don’t think anything Labour has done will have affected those yet. But I certainly wouldn’t expect them to improve.
      
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      October 23, 2018 9:56am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Growth forecasts are already down to 2% from 3%
        Unemployment, after dropping to 4.6% is up to 4.7%
        Inflation, while official figures aren’t out yet.
        Petrol is up 35%
        Dollar down 12%
        Housing is up about 20%
        Where do you think inflation will go?
        That’s what happens when the govt. artificially inflates the price of things by adding superfluous taxes, falsifying the real (market)rise in goods price.
        
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        October 23, 2018 10:50am
      - All_on_Red
        
        For Robertsons Budget to work, growth needs to be 3%
        
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        October 23, 2018 10:57am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Be honest, Grants budget and Alf’s float are never going to work as intended.
        
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        October 23, 2018 12:32pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Paulus: “Be honest, Grants budget and Alf’s float are never going to work as intended.”
        
        Be honest, Grants budget and Alf’s float are almost the same size now.
        There, fixed it.
        
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        October 23, 2018 12:48pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Closed down a whole industry
      Put businesses off in vesting in NZ
      
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      October 23, 2018 10:22am
    - Tricati
      
      Stuffed the Oil & Gas industry
      
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      October 23, 2018 11:26am
- Jules99
  
  Funny thing is, Cindy will be annoyed that he said her greatest achievement is the baby – of course it is true.
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:58am
  - freethinker
    
    Jules99
    Funny thing is, Cindy will be annoyed that he said her ONLY achievement is the baby – of course it is true.
    
    Fixed you inadvertent error, no apology required.
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:56pm
- Harkman
  
  That just confirms that not only is Paddy a moron and an ar_ehole, he is also completely dillusional.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:23am
- Woz
  
  Paddy was never the brightest star in the cluster, but he appears to have had a full-on attack of retard in recent months.
  
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  October 23, 2018 11:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Thought I read that Paddy was not well (really) – don’t know with what but to watch him it is clear he may have a problem.
    He behaves like a demented pig on the tele recently.
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It was reported earlier this year that he has had treatment for glaucoma.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/105107732/patrick-gower-reveals-shock-glaucoma-diagnosis
      
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      October 23, 2018 5:53pm
  - freethinker
    
    Paddy just received his honorary degree in “Thickology” from Massey personally presented by Jan Thomas.
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:59pm
Shaun the Sheep

Did I just hear SLG on the news talking about our lack of corraption?
Is corraption different from corruption?
We seem well stocked with both.
Is that because of our posidividdy?
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October 23, 2018 8:33am
- cmm
  
  Is it like how poverdee is different to poverty?
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:39am
  - RF
    
    Easy… there is nuthink to wurry about.
    
    God- she is common as pigs in muck…..
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:41am
    - starboard
      
      absoludely a liar
      
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      October 23, 2018 11:02am
    - freethinker
      
      With or without the lipstick? Just asking
      
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      October 23, 2018 2:01pm
- Tall Man
  
  Corraption is the way you feel after a labour intern has put his hand down your pants at camp I think.
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:49am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Like Winston appointed police commissioners, and Winston appointed inquiry heads.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:32am
- DigNap15
  
  As I have asked before does she mis pronounce words because she is thick or is she trying to change the way we all speak?
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:23am
  - PhilP
    
    Yes and isn’t it strange that the media criticize Simon Bridges’ speech and not Cindy’s pronunciation of words? Well….not really.
    
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    October 23, 2018 10:52am
Ruahine

This piece by Fran OSullivan pretty well sums up the stupidity of this government. When one recalls all the silly antics and virtual acts of sabotage carried out by Labour and there bludging fellow travellers.
We are being governed by a lot of stupid people who just got lucky thanks to MMP.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12145536
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October 23, 2018 8:42am
- artemisia
  
  Yes, Labour free trade posturing has cost New Zealand bigly, and the fat lady hasn’t sung yet.
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:15am
EAD_TWO

The French Patriot and thought criminal Robert Faurisson has passed away age 89.

RIP

Whatever your thoughts, his thoughts were free.

Nice words from Le Pen:

https://mobile.twitter.com/lepenjm/status/1054319650924834818

“I did not know Robert Faurisson, but the considerable means employed over several decades to reduce him to silence seem to me emblematic of the retreat of freedom of speech and of opinion in our country.

The so-called memorial laws used to criminalise political adversaries of all persuasions are the mark of an anti-democratic turn which various powers use and abuse against the patriotic spirit and the identitairan rebellion of the nations.”
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October 23, 2018 8:43am
- stephieboy
  
  I suppose one less holocaust denier could be seen as a considerable achievement beloved and cherished by the Iranian regime ( holocaust denial conference Teheran and 2006 )Neo-Nazis worldwide.
  
  In honour of Faurrison’s memory, you could once and for all, begin by explaining the disappearance of Nazi-occupied Poland’s and Russia’s Jews . Beginning with this town of Zamosc,
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    https://www.holocausthistoricalsociety.org.uk/contents/ghettoss-z/zamosc.html
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:12am
  - sooty
    
    Can we have him sectioned aswell!
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:13am
Manolo

Another proud Labour “achievement”:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/rising-fuel-prices-lead-to-meth-black-market/ar-BBOHWH1

Skyrocketing fuel prices across New Zealand have created a black market in which petrol is exchanged for methamphetamine.

Petrol prices hit a 30-year high in September and there’s no sign they’ll be slowing down any time soon. New Zealand has the highest pre-tax fuel cost in the OECD, with prices rising by a massive 39 cents between October 2017 and September 2018.
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October 23, 2018 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  That I can completely understand Manolo, given that getting rid of drug cash must be bloody difficult in the Eftpos age. South American drug lords used to stash money in lofts, cupboards or in the garden.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:37am
Happychappy

How long will the taxpayers money last if they continue to spend millions on hardship grants. With the continual eorge to keep giving more to Welfare participants, what will happen if we have another financial crisis in the near future and the economic outlook for NZ takes a downward slide, these people have come to expect that this bunch of losers in our Government will continue to house, clothe and feed them.
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October 23, 2018 8:48am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes here in Tga the government has built more social houses, hosued people in motels and paid for private housing.
  Why?
  Cant these peopl get a job?
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:25am
Kiwi_in_Paris

I see Hayley Holt still struggles to get a big word or long sentence out, mainstream media scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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October 23, 2018 8:55am
- Harkman
  
  The Breakfast show is really the Neo-Marxist’s ultimate fantasy.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:26am
- Inandout
  
  Hayley struggling with big things?
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “… mainstream media scraping the bottom of the barrel.”
  
  mainstream media scraped through the bottom of the barrel.
  Fixed it
  
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  October 23, 2018 1:08pm
secondcumming

Assoc. Minister for the Environment *Eugiene Sage* has announced,
“….that in an effort not to offend, the ‘Great White Shark’ will be officially renamed the ‘Average Caucasian Shark’
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October 23, 2018 8:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

Are the Nauru “migrant” children heading our way?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-23/labor-backs-moving-refugee-children-on-nauru-to-new-zealand/10416720

Where will we put them up?
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October 23, 2018 9:07am
- sooty
  
  In all the houses, that labour built, using all the trees that Shane planted!
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:11am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Burp!
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, Gisborne naturally!
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And why not?
    We have good schools, good beaches, nice folks in Gizzy.
    
    But, as usual, you miss the key point… these are children…. unaccompanied minors… What provision will there be for their care and healthy upbringing?
    
    We don’t have a great record for keeping kids safe in State Care.
    http://www.abuseinstatecare.royalcommission.govt.nz/
    Neither does Oz
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/world/australia/sexual-abuse-apology-scott-morrison.html
    
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    October 23, 2018 11:03am
    - holysheet
      
      Don’t fret Maggy. They will all be sent to a liabour sex camp for indoctrination into the Liabour way.
      
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      October 23, 2018 12:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      And it costs nothing to bring them up. Our taxpayers are subsidising thousands of ethnic kids in south Auckland. What difference would a few hundred more from Nauru make?
      
      Red Jacinda and Labour may want to open the borders, but they will pay at the elections if this prompts Australia to close the back door from New Zealand.
      
      Most of the southern Somalis I know of have headed on to Melbourne. NZ is the hole in Australia’s fence.
      
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      October 23, 2018 1:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        If the kids are brought in, won’t parents, aunts, uncles and cousins eventually follow under our loose immigration rules?
        
        Then the whole mobs of them can go to Australia – if the back door is still open.
        
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        October 23, 2018 1:52pm
- secondcumming
  
  Well, as *President Trump* just announced from the White House lawn, “We certainly wont be letting them in….”
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqIrFHYVYAAbYZc.jpg
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:16am
- Inandout
  
  Some of those Nauruites are so insane they will be sectioned immediately on landing in NZ.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:40am
- Manolo
  
  Mt Roskill, home of stephieboy? 😀
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:24am
- PhilP
  
  Will they be separated from their Parents to come here? Surely they wouldn’t do a Trump? (sarc).
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:59am
- Longknives
  
  By ‘children’ do they mean 30 year old Islamic men who have shaved off their beards?
  
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  October 23, 2018 3:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I would hope that our Government can tell the difference between a 3 year-old and some-one purporting to be 17 years.
    https://www.thelocal.se/20170530/first-results-of-swedens-asylum-age-assessment-tests
    
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    October 23, 2018 3:55pm
Urban Redneck

Publically funded Chopadicoffamy and Addadictomy surgery. This government is totally nuts.

What’s next free gastric stapling operations for anorexics?
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October 23, 2018 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Totally nuts? Rich irony alert award of the day!
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:14am
lastmanstanding

Time for Simon and the Nats to get back to business.

Agenda should read as follows.

1. Question COL on why they are signing up to Paris Agreement at conference in Poland 8th 9th Dec.
2. How many Billions of dollars will it cost the long suffering taxpayers and exactly who will the Billions go to.
3. Is the COL signing up to the UN Refugee Agreement that will see the UN decide how many we take and where they come from.
4. How many Billions of tax payer funds will this cost so Cindy can get her next job at the UN.
5. When will the 185 plus Working Groups et al report back or will they report back.
6. Will their report find their way into File 13 as usual.
7. How many homeless are living on the streets and are the numbers less than pre election 2017.
8. What is the COL doing about housing the homeless and how much will this cost the hard working tax payer.

That should be enough for Simon and the rest of them to get going.

Back to work my employees.
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October 23, 2018 9:15am
Harkman

Anyone see Fox and Friends last night? They were discussing the mob behaviour in the US over the weekend, apparently Mitchell McConnell was harassed again by some looney in a restaurant and Candace Owens was the their guest and she said Democrats had just about reached “peak lunacy,” classic LMAO. Just imagine a scientific measurement known as “peak lunacy?” ?
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October 23, 2018 9:32am
- Inandout
  
  This type of lunacy scares the pants off thinking Democrats, and the election is close.
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  But “peak lunacy” suggests they can’t get worse, or go higher.
  JUST WAIT.
  I thought “peak lunacy” was when thet guy took a gun to a baseball game and started shooting GOP politicians…..BUT…….
  
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  October 23, 2018 11:02am
- holysheet
  
  Is that like “Peak Oil”?
  Look how that ended.
  
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  October 23, 2018 12:46pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Yeah….it hasn’t.
    We keep finding more. or at least look at using the ones that we found but didn’t use.
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:06pm
Huevon

Guyon Espiner had tough questions for the PM this morning about donations to the Labour Party by the fronts for the People’s Republic of China. JA was very evasive and could not give straight answers. She of course gave absolute and utter assurances that there was no untoward Chinese influence, but we all know what to believe when Jacinda does that. We need a public inquiry now!
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October 23, 2018 9:34am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  US-China Economic and Security Review Commission has already expressed concern that we has done nothing to identify and check Chinese influence in our government in NZ. This could have direct effect on our security arrangements with US.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12058818
  
  “The hearing heard testimony from former CIA analyst Peter Mattis who said the Chinese Communist Party had worked “very close to or inside the political core” of Australia and New Zealand and “one of the major fundraisers for Jacinda Ardern’s party has United Front links”.”
  
  Now there’s a surprise … not!
  
  “As a result, he said New Zealand’s Five Eyes’ partners (Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom and the US) “need to have a discussion about whether or not New Zealand can remain given this problem with the political core”.”
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:29am
- KevOB
  
  Can Jacinda tell a fried fish from a dim sim? With the UN on her shoulders does she have to rely on her five eyes to see a chink in NZ’s armour?
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh yes, Jacinda was very coy about where Labour gets its funds.. and how many times she has met with prominent folk in the Chinese Community
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/369215/jacinda-ardern-defends-political-donation-system
  
  Pete George has put up a post on this
  https://yournz.org/2018/10/23/ardern-on-political-donations/
  
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  October 23, 2018 11:11am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yes, Guyon was a bit tougher on her for once. Re “She of course gave absolute and utter assurances that there was no untoward Chinese influence”, while in the same breath admitting that she had *no idea* where many of the donations came from. She went on about cute raffle tickets and sausage sizzles, trying to sound like most Labour donations were just a couple of dollars, but she had absolutely no proof of that.
  
  It particularly irks me when she tries to take the cutesie Kiwi line (with accent), because that’s the exact opposite of being the International Socialist Youth president and pushing for global socialism.
  
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  October 23, 2018 2:43pm
secondcumming

Remember *Stormy Daniels* creepy porn lawyer 😛

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1054441850667483136
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October 23, 2018 9:40am
- dime
  
  lol what a loser.
  
  Poor Stormy is gonna be sucking dick for the next 4 years to pay the Dons legal bills too
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:58am
  - Nermal
    
    The Donald must be the only person to get a refund from a hooker
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:36pm
All_on_Red

Not a very complimentary article in The Guardian on Ardern.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/21/jacinda-ardern-first-year-new-zealand-grapples-with-jacindamania-hangover
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October 23, 2018 9:50am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Oh dear, the glitter is washing off the turd.
  Who ever saw that coming?
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:33am
- cmm
  
  .. and thats the Guardian who are bending over backwards to show her as much feelz as they can.
  
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  October 23, 2018 11:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Why has the Guardian only talked to New Zealand University based women ?
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:45pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Yes, why? And they are all, as are most academics, very pro Jacinda. How about a little bit of honesty.
      
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      October 23, 2018 3:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm , where do you get your” feelz ” from?
    
    Channel 4, IInfowars etc Or more sutabilty Katie or Lauren ?
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:59pm
- stephieboy
  
  One from the usual staple like Fox, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, Infowars etc?
  
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  October 23, 2018 1:58pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Pfft, the Guardian just sounds like they want Taxinda to move us much faster into Venezuala-type socialism. That’s not real criticism.
  
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  October 23, 2018 2:49pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Deloitte Access Economic has urged Australians to save more as house prices have further to fall | Herald Sun

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/economists-fear-lack-of-savings-as-housing-markets-key-crunch-still-to-come/news-story/bc1aca662b43a48435347d0544904cf6

AUSTRALIA is having the house price slump it had to have but the big crush is yet to come, one of the nation’s ¬leading economic forecasters has warned.

Deloitte Access Economics has also urged the nation to ¬exercise more thrift, noting households are only saving 1 per cent of their income.

That is down from 7.5 per cent as recently as 2015 and comes at a time when house prices have further to fall and major lenders are turning off the flow of credit. … read more via hyperlink above …
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NSW stamp duty receipts collapse – MacroBusiness (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/nsw-stamp-duty-receipts-collapse/

By Leith van Onselen
The NSW Office of State Revenue has updated its stamp duty data for September 2018, which reveals that residential stamp duty receipts are crashing following a monumental five-year boom: … read more via hyperlink above …
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Property is plummeting in Sydney, bringing particular pain for owners of recent purchases.
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/links-23-october-2018/#comment-3209553
  
  TheRedEconomistMEMBER
  October 23, 2018 at 8:02 am
  
  Nine news in Sydney last night
  
  Property is plummeting in Sydney, bringing particular pain for owners of recent purchases.
  
  https://twitter.com/i/status/1054279336340017153
  
  Even Dr Wilson gets involved.
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:15am
  - starboard
    
    NURSE !!
    
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    October 23, 2018 11:07am
- stigie
  
  Fuck Hugh !!
  
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  October 23, 2018 12:40pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    What’s wrong with what Hugh posts? I like them
    I find some don’t like the length due to someone who used to post links with a lot of text which left a “sour taste”, but he’s not annoying like Stephie, gump and so on.
    
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    October 23, 2018 6:38pm
Chris2

I see convicted thief Ngatata Love has died. Of course only passing mention of his million dollar fraud, it’s all about what a great leader he was.

He should be remembered for his thieving from his people, not for any good he might have done.
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October 23, 2018 10:16am
- Manolo
  
  Spot on!
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Lest we forget –Ngatata Love Jailed for Fraud.
  
  So no, not a Great Leader™ at all. A common thief.
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:37am
  - big bruv
    
    That’s waccist!
    
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    October 23, 2018 12:48pm
- MCos
  
  ‘Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
  I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
  The evil that men do lives after them;
  The good is oft interred with their bones;
  So let it be with Caesar.’
  William Shakespeare
  
  And so it will be to the general public with Mr Love, if they remember him at all.
  
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  October 23, 2018 10:49am
- lifesgood
  
  I heard a vomitous report about his death on Nat Radio. His theft, deceit and untrustworthiness were all glossed over but lots of people talking about how wonderful he was. Bloody crook!
  
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  October 23, 2018 3:30pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He was Dean of Massey’s Business Studies Faculty and a Professor of Business Development at Victoria Uni…(as well as being C.E. of Te Puni Kokiri).
    
    https://tamiro.massey.ac.nz/nodes/view/2441
    
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    October 23, 2018 4:02pm
- harrygee
  
  Love’s partner in crime, the late Lorraine Skiffington, was a protege of Margaret Wilson. She died in September last year yet Wilson’s current Waikato Law School bio still lists Skiffington’s supervised PhD research as a work “in progress”
  
  https://www.waikato.ac.nz/staff-profiles/people/mwilson
  
  So it’s entirely possible Lorraine faked her own death to avoid jail time and is living in a Council flat in Hillcrest under an assumed name with millions of Maori dollars stuffed under her mattress.
  
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  October 23, 2018 7:14pm
RW Capitalist

Last night
A story about aged care facilities not being able to keep staff, due to the over inflated pay rise for nurses at DHB’s.
Unintended consequences from an incompetent govt.
Does no one in this CoL actually ask the question.
What if?
Suppose we do this?
What will happen?…good and bad.
Or are they like children …
wish for something…pick up a dry stick in the garden, close their eyes, flick it in the air, open their eyes and expect to see it?
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October 23, 2018 10:56am
Manolo

Will the invaders stop?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-22/president-trump-declares-national-emergency-mexico-loses-control-migrant-army

So, for the second time this year, it appears President Trump is ready to send more US troops to the border, as he said in a tweet Monday morning that he’d notified the border patrol and military that this is a “national emergency” while reiterating that the blame lay with Democrats for refusing to change our “pathetic” immigration laws.

And since Honduras and Guatemala did nothing to stop the migrants despite Trump’s requests for assistance, the president added that we would be cutting off aid: “We will now begin cutting off, or substantially reducing, the massive foreign aid routinely given to them.”
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October 23, 2018 11:06am
- cmm
  
  If all the sanctuary cities etc were shut down, there would be far less attraction for people to walk hundreds of miles looking for welfare etc.
  
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  October 23, 2018 11:43am
  - Komata
    
    cmm
    
    WALK???
    
    Surely Sir you jest. Many of these are being trucked and fed as they make their way north towrds the USA. It has also ben pointed out that the majority of these ‘migrants’ (cos that’s what they are) are young and MALE! Such women and children as are in the groups are ‘token’ and for effect on newscasts.
    
    This has been well organised in advance, and is intended to create disruption in the mid-terms. as before, and predicatably, most of the media will of course, emphasise the ‘Think of the children’ narrative etc. etc.
    
    While we have no way to know what has actually been said, it seems to be a case of ‘Hispanics triumphing against the evil Gringo’s’ and to have been carefully presented as a form of ‘crusade’ against the evil Americanos.
    
    With the US Army in place this will be interesting to watch.
    
    (Cue the usual hysterical responses from the usual suspects…)
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:18pm
    - Nermal
      
      Just like NZ hikois
      
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      October 23, 2018 1:38pm
      - Komata
        
        Nermal
        
        SSSShhh, You’re not supposed to have noticed…
        
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        October 23, 2018 3:34pm
    - Ruahine
      
      US paid for California in 1848. A lot of other Southwest land as well.
      I think Mexico is trying to get it back. This time for free.
      
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      October 23, 2018 5:02pm
- Jules99
  
  I hear there’s a hurricane on the way just about the time they will be passing through – maybe those prayers are working.
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:44pm
DigNap15

Cut them off and the UN
Build the wall!
Keep the locusts out!
Let them fix their own drug sellers and murderers and corrupt politicians!
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October 23, 2018 11:10am
mandk

Congratulations to Pak’n’Save at Kilbirnie for knowing the difference between ‘less’ and ‘fewer’.

The self-checkout signs say: “12 items or fewer”.
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October 23, 2018 11:13am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The person responsible, must be over 50, back when they actually TAUGHT English at school.
  
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  October 23, 2018 12:42pm
  - mandk
    
    You are probably correct.
    
    Another bugbear of mine is people who don’t know the difference between ‘alternate’ and ‘alternative’.
    
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    October 23, 2018 12:58pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      My wife keeps shouting at the telly.
      NOUNS not Adjectives
      It is a medal….you win a MEDAL
      You do not “MEDAL” in something.
      You can only meddle in something.
      Completely different connotation.
      
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      October 23, 2018 1:03pm
Prince

Another unnamed hit job on National on Stuff.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108027905/jamilee-ross-saga-national-mps-fall-in-behind-simon-bridges
Obviously the ‘friends’ trying to blame National are Slater and his mates. The author of this rubbish refuses to put their name to it. What a despicable article.
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October 23, 2018 11:39am
- big bruv
  
  I suspect that piece has been written by Horse face’s number one fan girl Tracey Watkin.
  
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  October 23, 2018 12:51pm
- KevOB
  
  Depending on his condition JLR may just drop out of sight in care.
  
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  October 23, 2018 2:59pm
Fletch

Another victim of Bill Clinton speaks out –

For decades, Leslie Millwee has been haunted by a series of traumatic memories. As she alleges, on three occasions between March and August 1980, when she was just 20, the governor of her state sexually assaulted her at work. The three attacks, spaced roughly two months apart, were all similar. On his visits to the small town where she held a job as a newscaster, the governor, whom she had previously interviewed at various local events, would head over to her TV station. He would then dash into the small room where she edited her stories. Standing behind her, he would grab her breasts. The first attack, Millwee says, lasted two or three minutes. The next two both lasted five to seven minutes and ended with him ejaculating. A couple of years ago Millwee, who now works in community relations for a hospice in Palm Springs, Calif., finally summoned up the courage to go public with her story. These days she often tweets about these painful incidents. Surprisingly, even in the era of the #MeToo movement, which marked its first anniversary a few weeks ago, the mainstream media continue to ignore her.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/joshua-kendall/him-too
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October 23, 2018 11:44am
MCos

An interesting and contradictory item from Newshub about a review the National Party will undertake into their ‘culture’
It seems a good number of of the MPs think it is unnecessary
Apparently “Newshub understands the findings probably won’t be made public.”
That is until they are leaked.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/national-mps-deny-need-for-investigation-into-party-culture.html
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October 23, 2018 11:45am
- Prince
  
  Tova O’Brien says ‘trust me…’
  No thanks.
  
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  October 23, 2018 12:42pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    OOHH come on, you can trust her.
    Just like you can TRUST that a rattle snake will bite you.
    
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    October 23, 2018 12:58pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I gather there is at least one (unnamed?) member of the press who will shag anything for leaked reports.
  
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  October 23, 2018 2:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

These are the folks trying to run the country:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107964829/a-breed-apart-mps-are-now-birds-of-a-different-feather

So few of them with any experience of running their own business or having responsibility for other folks’ welfare.
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October 23, 2018 11:48am
- Jack5
  
  A good point. You might say something similar applies to the media.
  
  Once reporters trained more or less apprentice style – through cadetships. Many took up the job after other work. Farmers, seamen, insurance salesmen, soldiers, lawyers, teachers, policemen, airmen, nurses, general adventurers, “home economics” lecturer and bulldozer driver, are a few examples an old friend listed for me.
  
  Today, they come from university, typically after a communications course shared with people who go straight into public relations or on their way to being Prime Minister.
  
  Media workers are thus likely to be less similar to the broad public than they were in the past.
  
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  October 23, 2018 1:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    The trend to university training has been apparent in other fields, too.
    
    For example, accountants once were able to train by night school while they learned their trade by day.
    
    Unions and workers have tended to support the move to university training because it raised the prestige – and likely the pay – of their occupation. Employers supported it because it moved the training cost on to the worker (student loans) and the taxpayer (university subsidies).
    
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    October 23, 2018 2:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And they all desperately trying to be part of the “in” crowd which today means to be seen backing the “right” policies and the “right” people.
    
    Appearance is now vastly more important than substance. Shame really.
    
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    October 23, 2018 2:04pm
Surely Knott

Why did National call an enquiry into their women culture?! Seriously.. Did we really need that headline. Stop using the word enquiry. Enquiries and working groups are labours domain. Put some workplace policies in place about professionalism and sex with coworkers and journalists, and privacy. And then let’s get talking about National issues like NZ importing coal on the Greens watch because we’ve shut down oil and gas, or bringing in refugees on Peters watch.
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October 23, 2018 12:07pm
rangitoto

I heard someone on the radio saying they couldn’t understand why the US wont move on lifting the steel tariffs on NZ steel as they did for Australia. Perhaps if our glorious leader hadn’t called the US president an arsehole, then things might be different. Just a thought.
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October 23, 2018 12:13pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Probably, more like.
  Australia requested the tarrifs be withdrawn BEFORE the dead line.
  and stupid cindy…didn’t.
  Then smiled that inane smile of hers, assuming that would be enough, and begged (as she did over the Manus Island refugees) them to consider us along with Australia.
  This is not Uni, the President of the USA is NOT your professor, for you to BEG for an extension on your assignment.
  
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  October 23, 2018 12:40pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Also Australia has always been a good friend of the USA.
    We banned their nukes
    Destroyed their satellite station
    And yes Ardern and the Greens are always mouthing off!
    Who you gonna call?
    
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    October 23, 2018 12:56pm
    - MCos
      
      The New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act was passed in 1987. Most of the time since then NZ has been governed by National led administrations who have had ample opportunity to repeal the act ‘by lunchtims’, but never have.
      In the meantime NZ has backed the US on many occasions when asked in its never ending wars in the ME & Asia expecting payback at times like this, I would have thought.
      
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      October 23, 2018 3:23pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        But then again….NEVER regained full ALLY status.
        
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        October 23, 2018 4:38pm
- softail 1450
  
  rangitoto, this cabal of COL’s are about as diplomacy savvy as an incoming cruise missile .
  
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  October 23, 2018 5:44pm
RF

I regret that NZ will suffer as a result of Arderns Anti Trump / Americas comments.

Such an immature little child….
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October 23, 2018 12:41pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  ALL successful relations with the USA and the rest of the world for that matter, came from Bulger, Shipley, Key and English.
  Because they understood
  1. We are so small that the world could happily ignore us.
  2. We had to be USEFUL to them.
  3. Participate in world affairs.
  4. Support our friends.
  5. Make sure we were always noticed, in a positive way.
  6. Show the bigger players, that we could be trusted. Usually via our relations with other Nations (such as Australia).
  All of which, Bulger, Shipley, Key and English did.
  and
  Lange. Clark and Ardern didn’t.
  
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  October 23, 2018 4:44pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Outstanding comment, RW Capitalist. How true at every level.
    
    The COL, especially via Ardern as PM, is putting at serious risk our hard-won reputation as a reliable allay. Over time there will be an enormous diplomatic and trade price to pay for our having the SAG* of the Pacific Region.
    
    [*Smart-arsed Government]
    
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    October 23, 2018 8:35pm
krazykiwi

A reason to move to Venezuela – it is the cheapest country in the world to mine bitcoin.

So cheapest place to mine bitcoin, and world’s second largest oil reserves.

You’d have to try really, really hard to wreck this economy, and devastate millions of lives. Or just implement socialism properly.
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October 23, 2018 12:49pm
- Jack5
  
  I couldn’t get that link about Venezuela to work, Krazykiwi.
  
  But how could that be? The costs of mining bitcoin are first, the capital equipment – mainly computer video cards that are made in Asia or the United States.
  
  And second, electricity. Is that cheap in Venezuela?
  
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  October 23, 2018 1:21pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Hmm, works for me. Yes, the analysis must assume existing sunk cost in terms of equipment (usually banks of GPU’s). The Venezuela figure is $US531 per bitcoin mined. NZs figure is $US7593. I guess electricity is ‘cheap’ because it’s approaching 100% state subsidised.
    
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    October 23, 2018 1:55pm
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      As in “cheap if you can get it” perhaps.
      
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      October 23, 2018 10:48pm
- LTA1955
  
  From the Liarbour Party website:
  ‘Labour’s backed Kiwis for 100 years. When Kiwis need work, we create jobs’- Fail on the above measure
  ‘The natural resources of New Zealand belong to all the people and these resources, and in particular non-renewable resources, should be managed for the benefit of all, including future generations.” – A complete fail again on the above measure.
  New Zenezuela….corruption and economic failure which is 100% avoidable looks like its headed this way in the long term.
  
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  October 23, 2018 3:02pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Won’t you damage your computer mining bit coin?
  After all you can’t buy toilet paper there.
  
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  October 23, 2018 4:46pm
big bruv

“A reason to move to Venezuela ”

No need to move there silly, Venezuela is coming here.
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October 23, 2018 12:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  big bruv , in what ways?
  
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  October 23, 2018 2:20pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You don’t get out much do you?
    
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    October 23, 2018 3:54pm
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy ,,,,F F S.
    
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    October 23, 2018 5:47pm
stigie

“Venezuela is coming here.”

With very good reason !~ //
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October 23, 2018 1:01pm
Hugh Pavletich

Note the scathing comments on the thread …

National Party to review employment practices | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108034318/national-party-to-review-employment-practices
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October 23, 2018 1:04pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I do wish those who do not pronounce “women”, the plural of “woman”, would learn to do so! ?
  
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  October 23, 2018 1:29pm
- Surely Knott
  
  This was the one I saw with more scandal mongering and National bashing from Tova O. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/national-mps-deny-need-for-investigation-into-party-culture.html
  
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  October 23, 2018 2:37pm
Happychappy

I see MSM are pushing blubbers poll on National dropping 12% since the last poll run by the blubber, this is the result of Natonals hit job on JLR with 2800 voters taking part.
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October 23, 2018 1:09pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Fake news?
  
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  October 23, 2018 1:26pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Seems I was right re: Colmar Brunton, a semi respectable polling company.
    
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    October 23, 2018 7:10pm
- Tricati
  
  I suggest WO polls are about as credible as Greenpeace’s petition that lead to the canning of the Oil & Gas industry in Taranaki.
  
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  October 23, 2018 1:59pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I gather WO readers were polled.
  Since he blocks anyone who isn’t a fawning sychophant, it is not unexpected that his poll results fall the way he thinks.
  The surprising bit is only a 12% drop – maybe some of his readers are thinking for themselves.
  Time for another cull.
  
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  October 23, 2018 2:18pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Surely he hasn’t got 2800 readers! That’s unbelievable! Fake news.
    
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    October 23, 2018 3:36pm
- MrTips
  
  Lol. Cool, a guy who built his entire blog on mocking journalists “skilled and trained” and all that, now calls himself…..a journalist.
  
  I agree with Hamish Price’s opinion. WO is a toxic liar.
  
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  October 23, 2018 3:10pm
Manolo

Hear, hear. Will our own DPF? 🙂
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/us-ambassador-implores-kiwis-to-acknowledge-trumps-success/ar-BBOKNMt

The US Ambassador to New Zealand has urged Kiwis to acknowledge Donald Trump’s achievements in office.
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October 23, 2018 1:24pm
- MCos
  
  “”I’ll go into a group and say, ‘Who here doesn’t like the President?’ And everyone raises their hand,” said Mr Brown.”
  
  Chap just doesn’t get the message.
  
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  October 23, 2018 3:31pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and later he said
    How many here like
    lower unemployment
    higher wages
    higher growth
    etcetc
    ie all Trumps achievements.
    
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    October 23, 2018 4:49pm
Shaun the Sheep

That would be as non-story.
What would you expect National MPs to do – fall in behind JLR?
Slater is just trying to polish his fingerprints off the weapon.
JLRs narcissistic behaviour will have burnt off any genuine friends and over the weekend Slater claimed that since the National party were derelict in their duty (by Slater’s standards) it was “left to” Slater and Lusk to find JLR and inform his distraught wife of his whereabouts.
If Slater and Lusk are JLRs closest friends, a timely recovery is extremely unlikely.
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October 23, 2018 1:58pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Oh, I messed that up properly!
  Supposed to be in reply to Prince 11:39
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108027905/jamilee-ross-saga-national-mps-fall-in-behind-simon-bridges
  
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  October 23, 2018 2:12pm
Poppa

Dear Phil

I have just looked at the counter on houses built, it looks a little bit like you have failed Phil.

By the way, how is your good friend Shane getting on with his tree planting?

Another spectacular failure brought to you by the worst government in history
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October 23, 2018 2:18pm
DigNap15

The Herald is getting to be very evil

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12147203

The Headline says the Joke is on National!

Can’t Soaper let go?
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October 23, 2018 4:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  Soper is a joke.
  
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  October 23, 2018 4:34pm
  - Inandout
    
    Heaver doesn’t think so
    
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    October 23, 2018 5:53pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Joke is really the wrong word, are most people laughing at him or listening to him and being influenced by him?
    
    Its also the Herald’s headline writers, they must be paid up members of the Labour pardy.
    
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    October 23, 2018 6:31pm
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIA …

House prices ‘falling by over $1,000 a week’ in Sydney and Melbourne, Deloitte says – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-23/house-prices-falling-as-interest-rates-wage-growth-move/10418278

The boom time is over and we’re now officially experiencing the “house price fall we had to have”, according to Deloitte Access Economics’s latest business outlook.

It has found what many had been predicting: prices are dipping as interest rates are rising, with our biggest cities feeling the winds of change most keenly.

“Our house prices here in Australia had streaked past anything sensible by way of valuation,” said Deloitte partner Chris Richardson. … read more via hyperlink above …

… via …

Deloitte: House prices “falling by over $1,000 a week” in Sydney and Melbourne – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/deloitte-house-prices-falling-1000-week-sydney-melbourne/

… To rate as ‘affordable’ housing should not exceed 3.0 times gross annual household income ( median multiple ). Calculate the adjustments going forward for specific Australian metros (noting the adjustments Ireland experienced following the 2007 event ) …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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October 23, 2018 4:41pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Follow up response post on MacroBusiness Australia article thread … …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/deloitte-house-prices-falling-1000-week-sydney-melbourne/#comment-3209960
  
  Note what I had to say in the SMH and The Age early 2011 guys …
  
  Housing affordability out of sync with incomes … SMH & The Age
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/business/housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110201-1aciy.html
  
  Residential development today is a very formulaic business.
  
  Standard detached housing should not exceed 3.0 times gross annual household incomes; fringe starter housing 2.5 times; apartments / condos 2.0 times (about 70% of detached) and fringe manufactured house and land packages about 1.5 times.
  
  Note Dominic there is a world of difference between housing affordability (house price to income) and mortgage affordability (just the fuel with equity and bubble equity).
  
  I wrote about the above early 2010 following a study tour of Houston a year or so earlier …
  
  Leaky Homes And An Architect’s Musing’s | Scoop News
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1003/S00799/leaky-homes-and-an-architects-musings.htm
  
  There is screeds of other stuff on my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … including a simple STRUCTURAL DEFINITION of an affordable housing market.
  
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  October 23, 2018 5:39pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Why are New Zealand homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados
    
    Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
    
    New Zealand’s Bubble Economy Is Vulnerable | Hugh Pavletich | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1404/S00166/new-zealands-bubble-economy-is-vulnerable-hugh-pavletich.htm
    
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    October 23, 2018 11:44pm
Happychappy

So Andrew Little is going to look at Political donations and Jacinda says she up for a conversation if it is wanted too. So let’s face it you have to say it is warrantied and if everyone is honest they have to look into all parties and who donates. Now this means Union donations to Labour to fight elections, Money from racing personalities and the Fishing Industry to NZ First and also Greenpeace and Charities donations to the Ģreen Party, but knowing all these Partìes views you can guarantee this is about cutting out the National Fundraising Machine that no other Party has been able to equal so some interesting times ahead.
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October 23, 2018 5:04pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  All the silly parties getting funded. I am of the view that if your ideas are good enough people will vote for you and they will also be keen to fund the success of your party. Not so much for fringe parties, those parties that only a minority vote for who can’t get electorate seats.
  
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  October 23, 2018 5:35pm
Happychappy

Taxpayer funded elections only favour one Party and that is Labour and they will do what has happened in the past like how they twisted the rules with the interns called slavegate at the last election, Labour has history in this with Helen Clark twisting the rules in her time as Prime Minister.
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October 23, 2018 5:23pm
softail 1450

FFS,Soimon Bridges has set up an inquiry to make sure all the National female MPs are safe in their workplaces,
this fricking guy has got to go ,hes a joke.
I’m reasonably confident that little girls like crusher Collins and Paula benefit can look after themselves ,either of them could beat the shitter out of soimon.
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October 23, 2018 5:38pm
Inandout

Will tonight’s poll favour Jacinda so much that she overflows with excitement and allows 150 Nauru nutters to settle here? Politicians do funny things when they are buoyed.
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October 23, 2018 5:40pm
- The Virgin
  
  The 150 that John Key advocated to come to NZ?
  
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  October 23, 2018 5:53pm
  - Inandout
    
    virgin, a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then.
    
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    October 23, 2018 6:01pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    No, that was before they moved all the good ones and now they are 150 of the worst
    
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    October 23, 2018 6:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  Well she is up, and so are Labour.
  
  As I have been saying, people are not really concerned with parliamentary infighting eg Claire Curran.
  
  Its more the economic feeling and the effect the government has on them and their family.
  
  National need to wait till the COL’s inflation kicks in and jobs and rentals dispappear
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:29pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “National need to wait till the COL’s inflation kicks in and jobs and rentals disappear”
    Already happening
    This is as high as labour go.
    They and their policies have no substance, they will bite before Xmas.
    
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    October 23, 2018 6:35pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Wait for Aus. to change the law again.
  Less “rights” for kiwi’s in Aus. or wanting to go there.
  And cindy will whine and sigh, complain it’s not fare and all Australia’s fault.
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:49pm
Inandout

Labour up to 45%. Here come the Naurus.
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October 23, 2018 6:07pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  And just for sport: is someone going to run a book on how long it will take for one of them to kill one of us?
  
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  October 23, 2018 7:47pm
RW Capitalist

Finally a poll to get our teeth into.
Labour 45% up 3%
Nats 43% down 2%
Taken last week
After all this crap
and the total movement is within the margin of error
as the yanks would say….a statistical tie.
Labours big chance to get ahead….and….NOTHING.
The problem for Labour now, after all this help from JLR and the MSM this is it.
They will only go down from here, when peoples Xmas holidays are screwed by petrol prices, inflation etc.
Inflation will bite before Xmas.
Not only will prices rise, Xmas is the time people will NOTICE.
less presents
less entertainment
less fun
because…they will have less money and it will buy less.
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October 23, 2018 6:29pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  They will only go down from here, when peoples Xmas holidays are screwed by petrol prices, inflation etc.
  
  Bus strikes, train strikes, ferry strikes???
  Ya, some history there – but not on my watch, regards JA
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:38pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Bus strikes, train strikes, ferry strikes???
    and they haven’t introduced compulsory unionism yet.
    
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    October 23, 2018 6:42pm
- Happychappy
  
  I would say Winston will be or should be worried that after this week from hell National never lost enough to be in panic mode. Winston will be pissed as he has made statements that the polls haven’t really reacted too.
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:54pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2017/
  Since the election, Nats have held their support fairly well, down 1.4%
  Labour up about 8%
  NZF down about 2%
  Greens up slightly
  Now wait for the economy to factor in over Xmas
  Prediction
  Labour down again to about 38%
  NZF below 5%
  Greens around 5%
  Nats up again, possibly 5%
  
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  October 23, 2018 9:28pm
DigNap15

“RW Capitalist@

I hope you are right.
The worrying thing for National is that Ardern has gone up in the polls, even with her lies, and her lack of financial knowledge.

She won the last election for them. “Isn’t she so nice” and now she has a baby.
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October 23, 2018 6:34pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Agreed but people will start to focus on THEIR own babies…no matter how old they are.
  They will notice that JA’s “I’m alright jack” attitude.
  Will show past the “smile” and the armour clad baby, human shield.
  As their babies pay more rent
  Can’t buy a house, regardless
  More likely to be unemployed
  Not afford the things they want
  etc etc
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:40pm
- nasska
  
  There’s a proportion of the electorate, mostly young & female, to whom White Fang is their hero…..they are beyond salvation.
  
  For everyone else there’s the cost of living. This will be the CoL’s Achilles heel.
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:41pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    These young ladies, just have.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A
    and when they can’t, so go their votes.
    
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    October 23, 2018 6:44pm
- starboard
  
  Bridges must step down. I thought he had gone up a notch recently then I read about his inquiry into Nationals female MP’s and their safety in the workplace! What a fuckin joke. Fiddling while Rome burns. He is not up to it, he is getting no traction, for the sake of the party, and the country, move aside Soimon.
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:55pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    There has NEVER been such a concerted ATTACK on leader of a political party.
    He has survived and when you look at facts, he has been vindicated.
    He has NOT lied (unlike JA)
    National/ him have broken NO rules (unlike labour MP’s)
    He has walked the tight rope between concern for colleague and false accusations against him and his organization.
    
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    October 23, 2018 7:00pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      To quote Churchill
      Advice to Simon
      “When you are going through hell, keep going”
      
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      October 23, 2018 7:04pm
  - DigNap15
    
    I thought that was a good move to make sure there is no more of that sort of thing.
    But it happens in lots of work places, that is where a lot of people meet their husband or wife.
    Just not someone elses!
    
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    October 23, 2018 7:21pm
EAD_TWO

In the light of the revelations as to who is behind the so called “migrant caravan”, my money is this is a conveniently timed hoax to create sympathy for that destroyer of nations:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/nyregion/george-soros-explosive-device.html
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October 23, 2018 6:37pm
Happychappy

Tova show just what a past your useby date Journalist she is with the first time in my recollection that the One News Colmar Bruton Political Poll beìng News on Three Live.
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October 23, 2018 6:46pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  What was it ?
  “No matter what we do, we can’t seem to change anything”
  Rough quote from a has been “journalist”.
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:55pm
nasska

And especially for DigNap15 who monitors evening General Debate to check for deviation from social conservatism & mention of goats: 🙂

A bloke goes to the doctor’s and the doctor asks, “What seems to be the problem?”

“I think I’m a goat.”

“Really? And how long have you felt like that?”

“Since I was a kid…..”
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October 23, 2018 6:58pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Up tick because I have a soft spot for lame jokes.
  
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  October 23, 2018 7:06pm
- DigNap15
  
  @Naska
  Thanks I actually liked that one!
  
  A lot of jokes are long and weak and contrived, that was very good.
  My daughter has a few goats, so does Stephie
  
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  October 23, 2018 7:19pm
waikatogirl

Jami-Lee Ross has been discharged from Middlemore Hospital after he was sectioned over his mental health.
Staying with a “support person”

– NewsHub
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October 23, 2018 8:26pm
- DigNap15
  
  So he cannot have been sectioned.
  The news media is very poor here.
  It takes 5 days for a couple of psychiatrists to make their decision, not 24 hours!
  
  If he says one bad thing about National or Simon, he they should use the Waka bill!
  
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  October 23, 2018 8:48pm
  - MCos
    
    If the Nats want to toss Ross out of parliament using the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment legislation it’s not that simple.
    
    The details for expelling an MP:
    
    A party leader would need two thirds of their caucus (all the MPs from their same party) to agree,
    They have to be able to give reasons how the MP has acted in a way that distorts the proportionality of Parliament and is likely to keep doing it. (If the MP appeals the decision they may need to convince a court of those things).
    The offending MP has to be told that their leader and party think they’ve been acting out and given 21 days to respond. After that, the party leader can notify the Speaker of the vacancy.
    They also have to follow their own party’s rules (which may be more restrictive about how to expel a member).
    
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    October 23, 2018 9:29pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Yep. There is a big smell here. Where are the signed documents demonstrating he was ever sectioned.
    
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    October 23, 2018 10:32pm
    - cha
      
      His health matters are confidential.
      
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      October 23, 2018 11:15pm
      - rangitoto
        
        It’s been all over the MSM.
        
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        October 23, 2018 11:52pm
      - cha
        
        Only as a matter of public interest that he’s been admitted and discharged, but details of his actual diagnosis, condition and/or treatment are no one else’s business but his.
        
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        October 23, 2018 11:58pm
DigNap15

Mental illness is not like a broken arm.
You just do not get it fixed over night or over a weekend!
It can take years and you may need to be on medication for ever.
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October 23, 2018 8:51pm
Jack5

Oh Dear!

?Mr Morrisminor Breensie, Kearealityczech, and Co. will be disappointed to learn this about Palestinians:

… the rival Palestinian governments (the Palestine Authority on the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza) routinely use torture and arbitrary arrests, among other tactics, to quash dissent by peaceful activists and political rivals, Human Rights Watch said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12147456
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October 23, 2018 9:36pm
cha

Norwegian Joachim Rønneberg trained and led the Operation Gunnerside squad who sabotaged Hitler’s heavy water plant. After the successful mission he and his comrades escaped to into neighbouring Sweden by skiing more than 320 kilometres across southern Norway with 3,000 German soldiers in pursuit. He later described the escape as the best skiing weekend I ever had.

Joachim Rønneberg passed away on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45938874

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October 23, 2018 11:12pm
- Jack5
  
  Joachim Rønneberg and the Norwegian saboteurs did a remarkable mission in blocking Germany’s access to heavy water.
  
  However, media have been overstating it, some claiming this stopped Germany from developing nuclear weapons.
  
  America’s Manhattan Project, which developed the bombs used against Japan, was probably the biggest industrial project in history. It employed 125,000 people and cost about $US30 billion.
  
  Nazi Germany didn’t have the resources for this scale of development, let alone access to the international talent available to the Manhattan Project.
  
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  October 23, 2018 11:32pm
  - cha
    
    With the benefit of hindsight, sure. But at the time, destroying their capacity to produce any heavy water militarily useful or not, was considered a win and as you know, a win is a win.
    
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    October 23, 2018 11:53pm
Jack5

??

I hope some of you read Michael Reddell’s post on his Croaking Cassandra blog yesterday about Communist China’s influence in NZ.

Reddell, besides Jian Yang and Yikun Zhang, looks at Labour’s Raymond Huo.

Reddell’s reference to the National “old tuskers” Wayne Mapp and Michelle Bogue and Labour’s Mike Williams is interesting.

Chinese meddling in NZ’s political parties, largely unchallenged, shows what a great opening there is in this country for a populist politician in the Trump mould.

Reddell’s post on Chinese influence is at present the second item when you follow this link:

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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