General Debate 22 October 2018

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DigNap15

yeah I’m first!
But I don’t know what to say.
Its Labour day a nice day for a holiday.
JLR is out of action
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October 22, 2018 8:02am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I was kinda hoping to draw a line under the whole sorry saga and let my life become JLR-free again.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:04am
- Scott
  
  Yes my post yesterday was very unpopular when I said Jami Lee Ross was responsible for his actions. But he still is responsible.
  That’s the trouble. We signal our virtue by saying its not his fault. But it is his fault.
  We need to take responsibility for our actions. And we need to understand human nature better. We are moral creatures. We know what’s right and what’s wrong. But we refuse to do it. We need help.
  That’s why we turn to God. We need help to do the right thing.
  I think my arguments are beautiful but unfortunately many will be triggered by them ?
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:13am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Give it a rest man.
    Yesterday’s news.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:22am
    - Jack5
      
      The Hooerald has Kyle McDonald, from Newstalk ZB’s show The Nutters club, saying a person could be sectioned if they did not have the insight to understand that they needed help.
      
      Five days were taken to assess and make decisions about treatment, McDonald said, the newspaper reports.
      
      McDonald is a psychotherapist, rather than a psychiatrist or traditional medical professional. On his web site, he describes himself also as “NZ Herald Mental Health Columnist”.
      
      When someone is “sectioned” they must have assigned to them a responsible clinician. That is, a psychiatrist or “some other registered health professional who, in the opinion of the Director of Area Mental Health Services, has undergone training in, and is competent in, the assessment, treatment, and care, of persons with mental disorder.”
      
      If McDonald fits the latter qualification, he may be speaking from practical experience.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12146615
      
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      October 22, 2018 3:53pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Your arguments were indeed beautiful. Until you brought this fictitious ‘God’ thing into the picture 😀
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:24am
    - timmydevo
      
      Fictitious? Yet with no proof that he doesn’t exist, people continue to believe.
      
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      October 22, 2018 4:42pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Don’t be silly. No ‘proof’ is needed that something ‘doesn’t exist’. All you need is a modicum of common sense and a perception of morality to realise that a god who is prepared to consign souls to an eternity of pain and torment, had his own son tortured to death and demands total obedience although he gave everybody ‘free will’ is nothing more than a perversion created in the dark depths of sick minds.
        
        There’s more of course. Virgin birth, vengeful father etc blah blah. It goes on.
        
        Proof? Just use your brain and ask yourself “what are the chances that such a disgusting psychopath exists?”
        
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        October 22, 2018 6:27pm
  - tas
    
    I’m disgusted by the attempts being made to cast Ross as an innocent victim and Bridges as the uncaring villain. Mental health is not an excuse for what we witnessed last week.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:27am
    - VicParking
      
      But it was the evil Racist european colonisers that forced my to rob that dairy at knive point and stab the shopkeeper.
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:45am
    - Longknives
      
      I’m amused by the Herald bleating that this is the end for National as they have a ‘toxic culture of Bullying ‘ etc etc
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12146400
      
      Strangely no mention of Meka Whatiri.
      Or Labour’s horrendous attempts to cover up the Labour Party sex camp assaults….
      Or Ardern’s constant, almost compulsive lies…
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:46am
      - oldpark
        
        @Longknives.
        Or the woman with a pre- school mind . Ardern lie-ing daily and masquerading as a genuine elected PM of NZ. What a disaster. Peters has a lot to answer for.
        
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        October 22, 2018 9:17am
      - sooty
        
        $158,000 reasons to the taxpayer!
        
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        October 22, 2018 9:24am
      - Harkman
        
        Don’t forget Willie Jackson appears to condone the sexual assault of underage girls.
        
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        October 22, 2018 9:38am
      - Albert Thrasher
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        MMP is a wonderful thing.
        National didn’t get 50%, had no friends left and had no mandate to govern.
        Get over it. You lost, Winston got his utu. Did you expect him to go with English after the way he treated him?
        
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        October 22, 2018 9:40am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Heh, Labours attack pug Mike”Jabba”Williams on the Dann show on the weekend spinning furiously that Bridges is corrupt, covering/splitting up donations, determined to ignore Ross` own tapes that showed 180◦ the opposite.
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:17am
      - Morrissey
        
        Jackson once announced live on air that if his “missus” ever fooled around on him, he’d “put a knife through her heart”. Even his co-hosts, John “JT” Tamahere and Dean Lonergan, a gruesome twosome if ever there was a gruesome twosome, were appalled by that one. 
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:18am
      - Surely Knott
        
        That article/ dirty politics hit piece from the owner of a political pr company is a disgrace. Capitalising on a man’s mental health breakdown while claiming that National is the one playing dirty politics. And dragging up Nicky Hager’s book. Please. It read like something off the standard. But it wasn’t cricket and it wasn’t journalism.
        
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        October 22, 2018 11:21am
      - GoVege
        
        Harkman:
        And murdering your wife.
        It’s a stone age culture thing. 🙂
        
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        October 22, 2018 1:01pm
      - Philview
        
        Labour’s PR consultant writing an anti National piece for the Herald. It would be interesting to know who picked up the bill for this article.
        
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        October 22, 2018 2:06pm
    - david in Aus
      
      If you can’t stand the heat, you should get out. Ross should give it away.
      
      In politics from the age of 18, there is seriously something wrong there. Get some perspective doing some good honest work.
      
      There should be a rule in the National party, do something else first. Become outstanding in another field. We want the great and the good and not the try-hards.
      
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      October 22, 2018 4:54pm
  - howitis
    
    “That’s why we turn to God.”
    
    Yes and while turning out to worship your god remember about the devil.
    He, or she, is responsible for the catholic priests going AWOL and fecking it up with little boys and little girls.
    The pope in Rome said so and HE is never wrong.
    
    http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2018/satan-is-attacking-bishops-they-must-fight-with-prayer-pope-says.cfm
    …Satan is attacking bishops; they must fight with prayer, pope says…
    
    Also from that article
    …Jesus’ praying for his apostles means Jesus is always praying for his bishops, which is a “great consolation for a bishop during terrible moments,” he said.
    Instead, a bishop opens a humble dialogue with the Lord saying, “You chose me, and I am not much, I am a sinner.” Knowing that God did the choosing and watches over his elect, gives a person strength, he said….
    
    So did Chris Bishop get outside help from above to win Hutt South?
    I think there should be an inquiry into this 🙂
    
    or our own saintly New shub; home of Tantalizing Tova and Intellectual Giant Garner:
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/10/pope-blames-devil-for-church-scandals.html
    …The devil is the cause of the Catholic Church’s sex abuse scandals, Pope Francis says.
    In fact, the pope is so convinced that Satan is to blame for the deep divisions in the Church that he has asked Catholics around the world to recite a special prayer every day in October to try to beat him back….
    
    I played poor Golf on Saturday. I blamed the Devil for that and felt bedda.
    Psalm 666: Never take responsibility for your own actions when you can blame it on someone else or, failing that, an ethereal invention.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:51am
    - sooty
      
      What about stephie? He says he goes and reads to the congregation on a sunday. It does not absolve himself for the other 6&3/4 days.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:32am
      - Jack5
        
        The pseudonym, “Stephieboy,” is used by a group of posters.One purports to be Christian, but most of the others take a strong pro-Islam position.
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:58am
    - GazzaW
      
      @howitis.
      
      I’m not a practising Christian and obviously not a Catholic but wonder why you and other atheists/non-believers on this blog continually show your intolerance to others beliefs. Live and let live mate and respect other peoples’ values instead of denigrating them.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:36am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Well said GazzaW. I AM a practising Christian (I have to practice, because I still can’t get it right!), but I don’t shove my views down people’s throats. One thing I do find amusing though is how many atheists have a favourite Bible verse that they use to denigrate Christians, or justify their lack of a personal faith 😀
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:27am
    - Scott
      
      Howitis – excellent example of triggering. Thank you so much for that.
      The Catholic priests – reporting I have seen is that it’s not so much a paedophile problem as it is a homosexual problem.
      The victims are all boys, young teenage males. So the problem could be lots of homosexuals coming into the priesthood?
      
      Having said that we can agree it’s appalling and the Catholic Church needs to do whatever it takes to stamp it out.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:48am
      - waikatosinger
        
        If you are a young man and your own sexuality scares you possibly for very good reason, then becoming a priest is attractive. Trouble is you can’t escape from yourself and you end up with a bunch of pervert priests with sexual hangups. If the Catholic church got rid of celibacy for priests this problem would go away.
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:17am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        t’s not so much a paedophile problem as it is a homosexual problem.
        The victims are all boys, young teenage males.
        
        Sadly, that is not always the case.
        
        There are multiple instances of abuse of young children, male and female, teenage girls and vulnerable women by the Catholic Clergy.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
        
        What you have is abuse of power for sexual gratification and a systemic cover up by the Catholic Church.
        
        As we now know, many other institutions have travelled along a similar route…. Schools, Religious institutions, Sporting Organisations.
        
        Some folks abuse others.
        Best to face facts and not blame the devil.
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:47am
      - Fletch
        
        If the Catholic church got rid of celibacy for priests this problem would go away.
        
        Hmmm, would it, though? There are plenty of other offenders such as married pastors, teachers, scout masters, sports coaches etc where being married or having a partner does not seem to make a difference. And according to stats, Catholic priests do not offend at higher rates than any of the other professions.
        
        I reckon if someone has a tendency to this than they’ll probably end up offending, married or not…
        
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        October 22, 2018 11:43am
      - gump
        
        @Fletch
        
        Seven percent of the Catholic priests in Australia between 1950 and 2010 have been accused of sexual assault. The average age of the victims was 10.5 for girls and 11.5 for boys.
        
        And you have the effrontery to claim that Catholic priests do not offend at higher rates than any of the other professions?
        
        You are a Pharisee. There is no God in your heart – only perjury and hypocrisy.
        
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/06/seven-percent-australian-catholic-priests-accused-abuse/
        
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        October 22, 2018 2:14pm
      - Fletch
        
        It’s not me saying it, it’s a fact.
        
        Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it’s closer to one in 5. But in either case, the rate of abuse by Catholic priests is not higher than these national estimates. The public also doesn’t realize how “profoundly prevalent” child sexual abuse is, adds Smith. Even those numbers may be low; research suggests that only a third of abuse cases are ever reported (making it the most underreported crime). “However you slice it, it’s a very common experience,” Smith says.
        
        https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625
        
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        October 22, 2018 3:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Fletch, did you read the date line on that quotation you posted from Newsweek?
        
        It reads: By Pat Wingert on 4/7/10 AT 8:00 PM.
        
        It’s more than eight years old. The Catholic paedophilia scandal was just about to build up steam.
        
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        October 22, 2018 3:59pm
      - Fletch
        
        I am aware of the date. The stats are still correct. The only reason that the Catholic church is singled out is because it is the Catholic church. You may find it hard to believe but its true. There are just as many offenders in any other area of life, secular or religious.
        
        According to the reporting of Carol Shakeshaft, “… the physical sexual abuse of students in [public] schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by [Catholic] priests.”[4]
        
        But you don’t hear much about that, ey? Although we’re starting to hear more and more about teachers (mostly female) taking advantage of students.
        
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        October 22, 2018 4:43pm
      - Fletch
        
        ps –
        
        It’s more than eight years old. The Catholic paedophilia scandal was just about to build up steam.
        
        The scandal was about to build up steam – yes. But the offending was mostly carried out between the 1970s and the 1990s. The charges are, to a large extent, historical. Even the latest news stories are about historical charges, not anything recent. The Catholic Church put measures in place after the scandal erupted in the late 1990s – early 2000s. Measures which are working well today.
        
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        October 22, 2018 4:58pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”There are just as many offenders in any other area of life, secular or religious.”…..
        
        That would be the most piss poor excuse ever trotted out. The “secular” offenders may seek careers which give them contact with their intended victims but religious leaders enjoy the trust of the children’s gullible parents.
        
        A child may have a way out if they are leant on by a teacher or social worker but the sheep are taught to revere the clergy. All pederasts & paedophiles are beyond contempt but Catholic priests rely on the idiot parents believing them over the children.
        
        There is no lower form of life on this earth.
        
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        October 22, 2018 6:10pm
      - Swifty
        
        You, better than us, nasska know what shepherds do to their flock.
        
        Fleeced, fucked and eaten.
        
        That about sums up the Catholic clergy.
        
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        October 22, 2018 6:15pm
      - howitis
        
        Scott.
        Yes indeed I was triggering.
        It was the Devil in me.
        
        What I am getting at is these churchy people can’t take responsibility for their actions or those of their peer group and create a mythical ‘devil’ to lay the blame on while doing nothing about fixing the pedo problem among them.
        That is gutless and I have no respect for such chicken shits.
        They don’t address the past and they won’t fix things at this juncture so clearly are happy for the paedophilia to continue.
        
        Where there is evil (convenient side shuffle to devil, just add ‘D’) face it, front foot it, and channel resources to smash it.
        How difficult is that concept.
        For the doolans its is within their own premises.
        They can address it but don’t.
        They just shuttle the offenders around often between countries. Totally gutless.
        It is not like they are facing the Russian Army or the Wehrmacht.
        It is generally a couple of nancy boys among their own ranks.
        
        In addition, the Catholic church recruits young fellas who have to take a solemn vow at about 20-23 years old to never ever sleep with a woman. Poverty chastity and obedience.
        So, straight away you have skewed the pitch by getting males in their 20s that take an oath to not chase women. It seems perversions are OK however.
        You kind of have to expect problems from there on in.
        
        There was a doco on TV in NZ in 2004 where the guy interviewed was ex Catholic priest and had worked in a role where in one US State he had a $7 million budget to pay out silence money. Just one US State. In one year.
        There goes your collection plate $$$.
        
        Yes I despise what this Catholic church does. Or any institution that draws a blind eye to perversion and abuse of other, generally innocent, human beings.
        Should we add in The Magdalene Sisters as well.
        Or Oranges and Sunshine.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oranges_and_Sunshine
        From the fine work of Margaret Humphreys.
        Extract
        ‘Many were given to the Congregation of Christian Brothers, where they were repeatedly raped.’
        It is only sickos who condone it.
        
        It is not right when nothing is done to fix it. I’ll continue to speak up against this evil.
        It sounds like a bunch of people here are saying – Don’t pick on Catholics because the other lot do it too!
        Hey, just downtick me to condone sanctioned Catholic child molesting.
        Go ahead. Make my night.
        
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        October 22, 2018 9:25pm
  - Urban Redneck
    
    Anything involving Slater and that rather odd, camp, fly fisherman from the Hawke’s Bay was always bound to end in disaster, shame and ignominy for all and sundry involved with it.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:58am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Where the hell is ‘the Hawkes Bay?’
      Is it on the same planet as ‘the Canterbury’, ‘the Otago’, ‘the Marlborough’, ‘the Southland’. ‘the Taranaki’, and ‘the Cook Strait?’
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:41am
      - GazzaW
        
        I’m guessing that it has sprung from the locals’ habit of referring to their place of residence as ‘the Bay’.
        
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        October 22, 2018 9:45am
      - Huevon
        
        “The” Hawkes Bay seems to have appeared in the last few years. It does make it sound a bit more exotic. Maybe something to do with the wine industry and confusing high-spending Auckland tourists that it isn’t the same place they hear on the news with all the gang violence….
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:04am
      - waikatosinger
        
        The Bay of Hawkes …
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:19am
      - Jack5
        
        Helped by the ‘Net, specifically WikiTree …
        
        Captain Cook named Hawke’s Bay/ Hawkes Bay (Cook spelled it both ways) after the First Lord of the Admiralty (the Royal Navy’s political head), who had been a full-on fighting seafarer.
        
        Admiral of the Fleet Edward Hawke (1705 – 1781) as captain of HMS Berwick took part in the Battle of Toulon in 1744 during the War of the Austrian Succession.
        
        He captured six ships of a French squadron in the Bay of Biscay in the second Battle of Cape Finisterre in 1747.
        
        Hawke the beat a French fleet at the Battle of Quiberon Bay in 1759 during the Seven Years War, preventing French invasion of Britain. He created the first Western Squadron, blockading the French coast throughout the war.
        
        Hawke was First Lord of the Admiralty between 1766 and 1771. In this post, says WikiTree, he brought the Royal Navy’s spending under control and oversaw its mobilisation during the Falklands Crisis of 1770. (This was a stand-off between Britain and Spain over the islands.)
        
        That’s one of the things I like about the British. They’re always up for a fight.
        
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        October 22, 2018 11:10am
      - Peter S
        
        @Jack5, the reason for the spelling difference is that the sea bay is Hawke or Hawke’s Bay, the region is Hawkes Bay.
        @Captain Mainwarinh, I guess the reason for using the is because the name is linked with a geographic feature, as with The Bay of Plenty.
        Probably needs the apostrophe in Hawke’s though.
        
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        October 22, 2018 11:37am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        I thought it was more of a regional thing
        
        No to the Napier/Hastings but yes the Hawkes Bay
        
        No to the Hamilton, but yes the Waikato
        
        No to the Tauranga, but yes to the Bay of Plenty.
        
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        October 22, 2018 1:33pm
    - artemisia
      
      It is quite astonishing how so many posters here are slagging off people actively helping Mr Ross.
      
      Maybe you posters think it is better to walk away, ignore a person in need of help and support.
      
      There but for the grace of ….
      
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      October 22, 2018 1:14pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right Urban Redneck but his effort today has many wondering about his own “mental” state as he outs himself and a “friend” being the ones that supported him to the mental institution. Not only that but strongly wedged undies because it was them who had to inform Ross’s wife? Having helped as a two handed ventriloquist duo leading this guy to this extreme his guilt is only trumped by his hatred of National as he aims the blame on Bridges and Bennett. And as we might expect he knows stuff. Silly us thinking going retard was a momentary thing.
      
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      October 22, 2018 2:20pm
krazykiwi

Happy Labour day! No strikes allowed until tomorrow 🙂
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October 22, 2018 8:03am
- jp_1983
  
  Bus strikes in Auckland Wellington and Waikato tomorrow
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:07am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That’s just not fare 🙂
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:08am
    - sooty
      
      No strikes on Cindys watch! Don’t you know.
      Liar!
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:11am
      - Harkman
        
        A few weeks ago the teachers announced another strike for November, this was during the school holidays. I said to everyone at my residence, “Why don’t they strike tomorrow?” They weren’t working at that time.
        
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        October 22, 2018 9:43am
  - peterwn
    
    The Wellington strike seems illegal, but the union has probably dressed up some grievances to make it ‘legal’. The fundamental issue is Paul Snelgrove’s Tranzurban bus operation refuses to negotiate with the union (the Masterton based Tranzit is non-union).
    So the union is calling on the NZ Bus (the company that lost routes to Tranzurban) drivers to go on strike to try and force the Regional Council’s and Tranzurban’s hands. That is not a lawful reason to strike.
    So NZ Bus and the passengers on its routes are being required to suffer for issues not of NZ Bus’s making.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:27am
    - artemisia
      
      Wellington bus strikes. According to Metlink, it is only Tranzurban drivers going on strike tomorrow, and then only those who are members of the Tramways Union. Looks like NZBus routes are not included.
      
      Metlink lists the routes affected and although it is a long list a lot of routes are local or school bus.
      
      NZBus will get a decent bump in revenue.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:37am
      - peterwn
        
        Oops! So it seems to be how effectively they can picket Tranzurban depots. Will be interesting – Paul Snelgrove and his HR manager daughter would not be easily intimidated.
        
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        October 22, 2018 4:27pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    My teacher partner is striking today, she will not be doing any school work today and I will take her to lunch in spite of the 15% surcharge that will be imposed by statute to help ‘the workers’
    
    I suspect she will become a scab at about 5.00 and prepare some classroom work hfor Tueday and later in the week, I will have got over the surcharge by then as long as they didn’t ask for a tip when paying the lunch invoice.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:34am
    - rockape
      
      My wifes at work in the ED department today $120 an hour as its double time. Yippee!
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:38am
  - GazzaW
    
    The drivers wouldn’t want to strike on a public holiday as there are no commuters to disrupt and those working will no doubt be on penalty rates.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:39am
- Simon
  
  Happy Bash a Scab Day to all as well.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:29am
  - VicParking
    
    Its CAPS LOCK DAY and how ironic its also Nut Day!!!
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:49am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I CaN’t sEEm to geT thiS BLoody capsLOCK to WORK! aarrgghH
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:35am
cmm

Fight for the right to pretend to work!
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October 22, 2018 8:07am
Steve (North Shore)

Labour Day.
No strikes under my watch.
Another lie
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October 22, 2018 8:10am
Paulus

Hallelujah
It is National’s fault that Ross has been put into care.
Barely Sober this morning blames Paula Bennett for this Victims demise into doom.
Thank goodness we finally now know that Ross is the real VICTIM.
As far as I am concerned the sooner National get rid of this aberration the better.
Now that will not be easy as with all victims they do not really understand, which is why we are all sympathetic, but I do not believe this to be Ross.
He is a con man of the highest degree.
By being put into care he does not lose his job and he can still continue his vendetta from behind the walls.
The media will love this, it is almost as thought up by his friends WO, Hagar and Peters.
I feel seriously sad for those with a real mental affliction, but do not consider that Ross falls in to this category.
He is a conniving and disgusting (clever) Con Man. He has let so many people down in this process and now expects sympathy (especially from the media who will give it continual air).
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October 22, 2018 8:12am
- G152
  
  The dog tucker thinking that its the dog.
  maybe WO will give him a job because hes virtually made himself unemployable
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:17am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    They have a lot in common
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:20am
  - igm
    
    WO and Simon Lusk are his new mentors. Maybe they will underwrite his salary as it should not be taxpayers’ responsibility now that he is in mental care.
    Take exception to Soper, Lusk and Slater . . . all with agendas that in the end feather their own nests.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:22am
    - peterwn
      
      I thought Simon Lusk was supposed to be an expert in political mentoring. if he was that hot on it he would have been advising Jami who to retain his sanity. Seems to me the only mentoring Cam and Simon has given him is handing him a can of high octane fuel.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:12am
    - MrTips
      
      Twitter has been a den of theories and vitriol. @hamishpricenz commented that Slater (and by inference Lusk) are liars.
      https://twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1054092555237748736
      He makes a fair call about whether Slater or Lusk are the NZHerald source as well:
      https://twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1053945179952996352
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:17am
- Inandout
  
  Paulus, a rather interesting comment on WO regarding JLR was shot down by Slater. He says ‘watch what happens this week’. Does Cam’s hatred of Bridges and Bennett show no let up?
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:25am
  - peterwn
    
    Would be another damp squib. Cam (and Pete Belt) in 2014 kept claiming they had the ultimate dirt on Kim Dotcom but nothing eventuated.
    And Cam made a comment about recording conversations which would appear to be possible contempt of court if a nexus could be shown. He had already already been asked by the Court to take down comments he made on Whaleoil relating to his current trial.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:55am
- cmm
  
  National need to use this whole episode as a learning opportunity.
  
  How did they let a person like Ross: no experience, no skills, no nothing and trouble written all over him get into the position he did?
  
  When National pins a blue rosette on someone, they are using their brand to endorse the person, like Toyota putting their badge on a car. National have given him the thumbs up and said he’s good value for money at over $200k per year.
  
  Toyota does quality control because they know it taints the whole brand if they release a dodgy car.
  
  If National want trust in their brand, then where’s their quality control?
  
  Ditto “fucking useless” Maureen Pugh.
  
  Bridges should not be apologising to her. He should be apologizing to the taxpayer who are now stuck paying $200k for someone even the Nats think is fucking useless. Nats have sold us a lemon by putting her on the list.
  
  Our only way to get rid of her is to vote less Nat. How is that going to help Team National?
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:27am
  - calendar girl
    
    I suggest that you leave Maureen Pugh out of this. She’s not a cause of any of this; she’s an unwitting victim of Simon Bridges’ loose tongue and headline-worthy, unseemly language.
    
    You appear to be making a judgement on the basis of a single news item, one person’s claim and (I expect) zero actual knowledge of Ms Pugh’s ability or work in her community. That’s unfair in my book.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:51am
    - rockape
      
      There are two types of MPs, those who want to work hard for their electorate, they stay as back bench MPs and those who want to work for their careers and personal advancement.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:42am
      - GazzaW
        
        I’ll buy that rockape. Our ex-MP, Sam Lotu-Iiga was an outstanding electorate MP. His door was always open, he got his hands dirty at the footy clubs and kindy working bees and he sorted peoples’ problems regardless of their politics. He’s a very decent human being yet he failed as a Cabinet Minister.
        
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        October 22, 2018 9:56am
      - artemisia
        
        People need to manage upwards as well as sideways and down. Head down, bum up is not enough if the boss is not in the loop or not convinced.
        
        More common to only manage upwards, I grant, especially if seriously ego driven, but as we have recently seen that does not always end well.
        
        Women in my experience are not as good at blowing their own trumpets. Not all, obviously. And yet, that is usually what is needed to catch the attention of the boss.
        
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        October 22, 2018 12:18pm
      - Morrissey
        
        he got his hands dirty at the footy clubs…
        
        ?????
        
        Football clubs.
        
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        October 22, 2018 8:17pm
    - artemisia
      
      Ms Pugh has had a rather public performance review. Comments like Mr Bridges do not come out of thin air. She now has an opportunity to lift her game and meet the boss’s expectations.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:43am
      - rockape
        
        Maybe look at her facebook page and see the support she has in her electorate. If National had done as well as Pugh in the last election we would still have a National Government!
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:18am
      - Liberty
        
        Rockape
        
        “If National had done as well as Pugh”
        Westcoast-tasman was traditional heartland labour.
        Yet Maureen has repeatedly won the list vote.
        Maybe that’s because she got a new bridge at Hokitika
        And advanced planning on the Ahaura bridge.(Col now to use the finance
        To build trams in Auckland)
        The Milling of windfall timber opposed by labour/Greens
        The current Westcoast-tasman labour MP crossed the floor to save his arse.
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:46am
      - Fletch
        
        Otherwise, that is one Pugh that should be flushed….
        
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        October 22, 2018 11:55am
    - Nookin
      
      “Loose tongue”? In a one to one exchange with a confidante where candour and frankness are encouraged?
      The people who owe the apology here are JLR and the media who published it. The media regard their communications as sacrosanct but are happy to splash others’ all over. The only decency shown to date has been the reluctance to disclose the names of the other women.
      
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      October 22, 2018 10:07am
      - flipper
        
        The problem MSM et al has in 2018 is that they believe – they really do – that the principles of truth and decency apply only to others. Craig v McGregor is still being litigated but the jury’s findings confirmed that crap is crap, no mater the source.
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:45am
    - cmm
      
      I am trying to look at this as a voter would and as a branding issue.
      
      If the guy in charge of Toyota was saying a Corolla is fucking useless, but hey we will still keep selling them, then that makes you worry about both how good a Corolla is and whether Toyota thinks much of their brand and their customers.
      
      I have absolutely no knowledge of Pugh’s competence, but nor has the average voter (beyond seeing she does not believe in pharmaceuticals which raises an eyebrow on her decision making abilities). Very few voters know anything about the various MPs. That’s why they join parties. The Party is a brand that endorses them. Trust Pugh because you trust the National brand.
      
      If National want to make themselves stand out as “The competent Party”, then one way they could do so is ensure that every one of their MPs has the tools needed to be good decision makers: critical thinking, an understanding of statistics and logic, an understanding of the law, etc. That could be done by giving them a test etc.
      
      You don’t pass the National “exam” you don’t get on the list and you don’t get endorsed. No Ifs, no Buts. You want to be a National MP then you better be top shelf and competent to make decisions directing the country. And you better be worth $200k a year.
      
      That would immediately boost confidence
      
      And bugger “being fair”. When someone is getting paid $200k+ a year and being put in a position of steering The Good Ship New Zealand, then the onus is on them to prove their worth and competence we don’t just give them the benefit of the doubt because of feelz.
      
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      October 22, 2018 11:27am
    - Piniwi
      
      Strangely calendar girl if anything this has lifted Ms Pugh’s standing as a result of her reaction to what Simon Bridges said. Especially the sort of tongue in cheek comment of them “both learning from this situation.” All too often we have seen new MP’s so convinced they know it all before they really understand much at all about the new world they have entered. It also lifted her profile in the House as well as illustrating she handles the Media party much better than many when singled out. Liked her challenging the old drunk in OQT in trying to “use” her as another stick to whack SB. Level minded voters in her electorate will have seen another side of her that might lift their hopes of some solid representation for the region. It is Labour heartland where they have historically shown very little heart. It is an interesting analogy seeing hardwood trees whose hearts are the hardest still standing all along the West Coast still standing dead and leafless. Their heartwood is the first to go leaving the hollow trunk to eventually rot and fall over.
      
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      October 22, 2018 2:54pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    cmm I have been saying this from day one. This reflects badly on the Board and senior management of the Nats.
    
    It shows their selection processes to be flawed. Mind you apart from JLR you only have to look at the low quality of some members of the House ( Maureen Pugh by the Leaders own admission) to see the flaws.
    
    Voters have the right to expect Parties to select quality candidates and Parties have the responsibility to do so.
    
    For too long the hard working tax paying citizens have out up with utter crap.
    
    Tribalism such as ‘Such and such a party could stand a monkey in that seat and get elected”
    
    I say no more. I say citizens with a brain ( the ones left) should challenge their party of choice and demand that stand high quality candidates instead of the usual dross.
    
    Here endth the lesson.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:42am
  - Liberty
    
    CMM you are right out of order with comments on Maureen Pugh.
    For someone who is so concerned about Maureen performance
    I don’t recall you ever complain about her.
    Why is that?
    Maybe it is because you are nothing but a keyboard warrior posting out of your arse.
    Yes there are MPs of all shades that were elected to make
    a difference who haven’t made peep since the election.
    They should be brought to account.
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:13am
    - cmm
      
      ” I don’t recall you ever complain about her.”
      
      I don’t keep tabs on every MP. I have better things to do.
      
      However I do take notice when the party leader says one of the people they are charging us $200k a year for says they are “fucking useless”.
      
      If I heard Jim’s Mowing guy say Sam is a fucking useless employee, I would know I don’t want Sam cutting my grass even if I had never met Sam.
      
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      October 22, 2018 11:32am
      - Liberty
        
        “I don’t keep tabs on every MP. I have better things to do.”
        Are you seriously saying you are condemning a MP purely on a insidious
        recording of a private conversation.
        By all means have a go at MPs who aren’t pulling their weight.
        And there is plenty to have a go at. But check your facts first.
        Because this time you got it horribly wrong.
        
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        October 22, 2018 12:56pm
      - cmm
        
        “Are you seriously saying you are condemning a MP”
        
        I am condemning nobody. I am just looking at this as a branding exercise. For all I know she might be extremely competent.
        
        What I am saying is that her leader has shown lack of confidence. I am supposed to trust him, as the face of National, to be portraying what the party stands for.
        
        Therefore her ability is in question until proven otherwise.
        
        Further, since National have previously said they endorse her, I must now question what that endorsement is worth. How many of the other low-listers are worth what we pay for them?
        
        If National want to be seen as the competent party, then they need to set some standards and only endorse people that meet those standards.
        
        Hence I think they should have a test. Wouldn’t it be great National guaranteed that every one of their MPs knew the difference between debt and deficit or between crown accounts and GDP or GDP and GNP.
        
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        October 22, 2018 1:39pm
- KevOB
  
  JLR will have been examined by a psychiatrist appointed by the Director of Area Mental Health Services and an immediate diagnosis made or released.
  The psychiatrist can order confinement and treatment. JLR is effectively now compulsorily closely held. During the first 3 months it’s almost impossible to get release without the doctors discharge. Further on Court orders for renewal of treatment orders can be sought.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:41am
  - flipper
    
    Bullshit…
    It is part (a consequence) of a democratic process that, while flawed in some ways, is better than the crap of Labour and Peters political process.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:56am
    - KevOB
      
      The process has nothing to do with politics or who is involved. It’s solely a call by the medicos and particularly helpful with an uncooperative patient.
      
      They can be ordered to be assessed by a local Director and they will released immediately if the Director’s concerns are not met. A bit blunt but the provision has been used for yonks and Courts have review rights over longer term compulsory treatment.
      
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      October 22, 2018 3:42pm
- GoVege
  
  How nasty, Paulus.
  Even Simon has said that JLR is suffering from mental illness.
  
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  October 22, 2018 1:05pm
- hullkiwi
  
  @Paulus, Ross is a grade one psychopath/sociopath and no more. Sadly for the constituents of Botany and for the members of the Botany National Party, he is not fit to be a member of parliament. As he is not about representing the people of Botany. Ross is all about power and control. The traits of a sociopath, include an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
  
  Note, the National Party did not create the monster Ross is, it was always in him and he could have just as easily been a member of any other political party or organisation.
  
  Sectioning himself to a mental health facility is as you say, a con job to take the heat off himself and make him look the victim (typical actions of a sociopath). Every action by this man has been about controlling a series of events for his perceived benefit. Psychopaths/sociopaths cannot “be cured” or get better, their “condition” is hardwired within their genetic makeup. I know because my wife and I have had personal experience of a person with the same characteristics in our family.
  
  There is only one solution to this sorry mess, and further, Ross will continue to be a loose cannon and a danger for all those who come in contact with him.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:58pm
secondcumming

People that can *F – OFF* this week……

Communist Chinese who attempt to buy political influence

Cyclists that sit more than 2 abreast in outdoor cafes

Obese female nudists

Politicians who fornicate in taxpayer time

Kids in Halloween masks

People who know Jiu Jitsu

Rodeo cowboys

Nicky Hagar

Not necessarily in that order. More to follow…..
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October 22, 2018 8:14am
- krazykiwi
  
  #proudtobearoutinelydenigratedcyclist 🙂
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:21am
  - VicParking
    
    But I would enjoy a couple of Obese female nudists riding two abreast on Nicky Hagar.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:52am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Slater, Lusk and Soper.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:38am
- Chris R
  
  Second: Nicky Hagar is a child in a Halloween mask, isn’t he?
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:54am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Rodeo cowboys’
  
  I reckon they’re ok , seeing as how they are a target of the far left loon control our lives brigade.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:47am
- Harkman
  
  That Air NZ “Tomorrow” ad, man that is irritating.
  
  People who receive NZ Welfare who drive around waving Tongan flags, but never NZ flags.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:47am
  - kowtow
    
    The Tongan mayhem was buried deep in the tv 1 “news ” broadcast . Well down the “progressive” pecking order.
    
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    October 22, 2018 11:48am
oldpark

Heard two of NZs saviours and mentors for us all .
“Foxy” Peters on National Party and things they would do about JLR. Barely Sober NZs slippy tit and dirt bird has become an authority on National and JLR.
Would help if both has beens or never wases would mind their own business and do something useful,like sorting out their own personal problems. Nuff said.
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October 22, 2018 8:15am
cmm

As Uncle cmm predicted a while ago, they’re coming for your Round Up. Of course they will, just for ideological reasons.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/107950579/peter-griffin-glyphosate-foes-driven-by-hatred-for-monsanto-giant

Sage wants the EPA to classify Round Up as a hazardous chemical.

Why should determinations of hazard be based on what she “wants”. It should be based on what the actual research says and the balance of risk vs benefit.
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October 22, 2018 8:17am
- G152
  
  With a name like Sage its no wonder she doesn’t like weed sprays
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:19am
  - dubya
    
    The colour Sage is described as a ‘dull, grey green’. How apt.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:49am
- DigNap15
  
  So one guy in the USA dies and we have to ban the most useful chemical in the world.
  F off Sage!
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Mr Johnson is not dead.. he is suffering from Non _Hodgkins Lymphoma… a complex type of cancer/group of cancers – with no known cause.
    
    It seems the Monsanto v. Johnson case is going back to Trial.
    
    https://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2018/10/13/glyphosate-is-to-go-back-to-trial/
    
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    October 22, 2018 12:49pm
    - peterwn
      
      Electricity meters used to be sealed with a lead tab. A steel crimp is now used as it is harder to defeat. An electrical inspector tried to claim he got lead poisoning handling the seals. There was no connection between his ‘ailment’ and the effects of lead poisoning.
      
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      October 22, 2018 2:36pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    More people in the US die from licking 9 volt batteries every year than from that chemical so when are we going to ban those batteries that fit into the smoke alarms?
    
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    October 22, 2018 3:27pm
kevn

It is interesting that Bridges bull-shit-sensor wasn’t triggered by JLR antics over the last few months.
I would have expected him to have a heightened sense of person assessment, given his legal background as a crown prosecutor.
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October 22, 2018 8:19am
- Prince
  
  I’m not sure of the timing of the recorded call, but suspect it was prior to his knowledge of the snake in their midst.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:57am
  - kevn
    
    @Prince… It appears there were/are lots of recorded conversations going back months.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:02am
    - Paulus
      
      And the unholy quartet Tova O’Brien, Lusk, Slater and Peters have copies of it all and will not hesitate to use all or any of it indiscriminately.
      
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      October 22, 2018 10:45am
  - Piniwi
    
    But Prince the guy was working his ring out all the while thinking Ross was close beside him as a friend and confidant. Why would he ever suspect someone so close to be harboring he was working to separate agenda of his own? Even loyal members of his team who all know how hard he was working are disgusted that Ross prompted him so much in that phone conversation. It was very obvious that Simon Bridges wanted to end the call quick and get his head down. IMO it was highlighted by Ms Pugh’s comment about both learning a lesson and implying the “loose lips” saying.
    
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    October 22, 2018 3:13pm
- howitis
  
  I agree. Bridges has been close to Ross for years and surely must know of his philandering and bullying.
  If he does not know then he is unfit for leadership roles.
  This really hangs heavy on Bridges in whom I have never had any confidence.
  Perhaps being a fellow Maori this gets a free pass in his circle.
  We hear from $pecial Interest Group$ that we must have more Maori leaders. This trio of Ross, Bennett, and Bridges does not validate that emotive claim.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:02am
- peterwn
  
  He was claimed to be highly manipulative and that makes problems difficult to detect. One could blame John Key, Bill English and most of Caucus since none picked up issues. Apart from a weakness in work experience (ie never having a *real* job), his background was OK, and having a Commercial Pilot’s licence which requires sustained effort and expenditure would appear a ‘plus’. He would have campaigned diligently and effectively (perhaps he might not have campaigned too hard for the Party Vote) and he would have been an effective member of the team. Then like Noddy it seemed his head swelled and lost sense of proportion until things became intolerable in his own mind. The process would have been gradual and no one saw it coming and even if someone had suspicions he would be given the benefit of the doubt. Worse still, he seemed to have been egged on by a group of ‘supporters’ who had other fish to fry and regarded him as a useful expendable idiot. So the manipulator ended up being manipulated.
  He seems to be in a similar situation to this woman in South Auckland who was told by a ‘mentor’ that she did not need to pay her rates and kept believing this until the hammer dropped and she lost her home (she did get sufficient residue that could buy a small flat in Papakura). Seems Jami was sold a similar ‘bum steer’ and the cost to him (financially and emotionally) will be far higher and more devastating than with the woman who did not pay her rates.
  
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  October 22, 2018 2:57pm
Nukuleka

I hope that Simon Bridges has got the message to all National MPs. No interviews with media re JLR, no comments whatsoever on or off the record, express only sympathy for his emotional/ mental situation and that of his family, focus only on the issues that matter and move forward to present a united front to tackle the destructive policies of the COL.

Don’t give the JLR circus any further air even if the poor fellow does continue to lob further grenades into the public arena.

Let’s do it, Simon.
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October 22, 2018 8:19am
- Longknives
  
  Sadly Simon is probably stupid enough to discuss it ‘lightheartedly’ with Matt Heath and Jeremy Wells on live radio..
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:48am
KevOB

New Coke promo slogan:
“Kia ora mate”.

Pidgin Maori. It means :
Live! Death.

Throwing Maori around out of context to gain cultural brownie points demeans the language. Grammar and context are important. This is a way of permanently demolishing Te Reo. It’s passed the point of useful adoption so the cycles of promotion come and go. Now they are getting wilder as fewer speakers an teachers are available. Death throes are always unpredictable.
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October 22, 2018 8:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought the new WINZ initiative
  mana in mahi was another poor example of mixing English into Te Reo.
  https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/about-work-and-income/news/2018/mana-in-mahi-strength-in-work-launched.html
  
  Doesn’t Te Reo have prepositions, or prepositional markers?
  
  Still, if it’s good enough for a Govt Dept to employ this strategy…me mahi!
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:34am
  - DigNap15
    
    We need the Maori words for
    Get off your ass and get a job
    And
    Stop selling drugs and thinking you a Mexican style drug lord.
    And
    Stop robbing and bashing good kiwis
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:13am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      They call it ‘culture’ and ‘colonisation’
      
      Sigh
      
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      October 22, 2018 3:32pm
  - Inandout
    
    ‘Strength Through Joy’ Maggy, much like the Nazi slogan, or even worse ‘work sets you free’ sign at the entrance to death camps. Maori is the diversion used by all organisations on the taxpayer tit.
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:17am
  - KevOB
    
    Te Reo in common with other Polynesian languages has a complex grammar to give meaning in context.
    
    Mana in Mahi is neither English or Maori nor are most NZedders such a blend. Mana has an important use in describing qualitative chiefly power including the ascription of it’s acquisition. A very significant word not a wordsmith’s plaything.
    
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    October 22, 2018 3:50pm
fluffykiwi

WO hints at other “goings on” I thought that sort of hounding was the problem for JLR and why he has ended up in care. Given the mental issues that WO tells everyone he has, shouldn’t he be one to back off and consider what he is doing to innocent people – the families of those he is accusing.
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October 22, 2018 8:23am
- Inandout
  
  fluffy, they had a ‘Nutter’s Club’ guy on radio this morning. This will not end well if every person with mental issues ‘comes out’, even meth users and dare I say it, CoL voters.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:32am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    The ‘Nutters’ Club’ chap was a sensible psychologist and Tim responded sensibly too, deciding to let the JLR topic rest after that interview instead of reading out emails and texts.
    
    The psychologist’s main point was: most people and families needing mental healthcare get *privacy* and even a politician should get some right now.
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:27am
Notsofast

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
It would be a grave error for New Zealanders to consider the Lundy affair over. The 128 page court of appeal report is riddled with factual errors that are employed to sustain a jury verdict.
These will be revealed, and another court of appeal decision held to account.

This follows 2 in Arthur Thomas, one in Tamihere, 2 in Pora, and 1 in Bain, 1 in Rex Haig. There are more.
An enterprising student of law or criminology would expand on this to demonstrate lawyers are unfit to resolve criminal trials.
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October 22, 2018 8:31am
- Longknives
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh fuck off with your Lundy love affair.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:58am
  - Notsofast
    
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    This response is what makes me continue on this board, you could put me on ignore.
    I will reveal the factual errors in due course, they do matter, and the puss is going to explode.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:21am
    - Inandout
      
      Notso, one lawyer who years ago was involved with the Lundy affair defence is now in a mental unit.
      
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      October 22, 2018 10:19am
      - flipper
        
        Geez H Christ on a bike….. let it go. It has become a Mason Clinic like issue for you.
        BTW …
        Is Ross in the Mason Clinic ???????
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:52am
      - Notsofast
        
        Are you suggesting silence is the solution to the police letting killers off the hook?
        
        This is where the state of play rests.
        
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        October 22, 2018 11:33am
- VicParking
  
  ‘Darling before I go to Wellington please put a bit of your brain tissue on my shirt so I have something to remember you by’
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:01am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right VP something they are short of there it seems. We are also all enjoying a day off that the “was” called Lanour Day not Lundy Monday.
    
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    October 22, 2018 3:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Notsiofast,
  
  “An enterprising student of law or criminology would expand on this to demonstrate lawyers are unfit to resolve criminal trials”
  
  Bain’s and Lundy’s Lawyers too?
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:10am
  - Notsofast
    
    Most criminal lawyers are hired guns whether prosecuting or defending. Jonathan Eaton has acted for George Gwaze and Rex Haig before taking on the Lundy case, so in some measure resembles Kathleen Zellner in USA, who will only represent innocent people.
    New Zealand is way behind the curve in understanding that crime is a matter for science to resolve, and letting these lawyers who float serenely to the top meddle in these matters is a judicial disaster.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:18am
    - KevOB
      
      Should be able to do it by AI by now.
      
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      October 22, 2018 3:52pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Yes Mark would not be in jail if AI had been on hand.
        Ever heard of Aunt Minnie? Cynric Temple Camp?
        Read his book to see how the case went off piste.
        
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        October 22, 2018 6:48pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Slept in stephie? No school today?
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:03am
    - Inandout
      
      Gazza, the goat is in quarantine.
      
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      October 22, 2018 10:21am
- Nookin
  
  You might do well to remember that two juries found him guilty and they were not lawyers.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:10am
  - Notsofast
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    I have forgotten nothing, that is why the case is very live.
    The appeal court have shown their workings, the juries do not.
    The appeal court have relied on key factual errors to uphold the jury black box process, I am sure you understand this.
    
    The statement for media:
    
    STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF MARK LUNDY
    I have spoken briefly with Mr Lundy and outlined the 395 paragraph Court of Appeal
    decision dismissing his appeal against conviction. He now has a copy of the decision.
    He is, of course, very disappointed at the outcome of the appeal. Mr Lundy has long
    argued that for whatever reason his case has become the testing grounds for novel
    science. It was the novel use of the IHC that lead to a successful appeal against
    conviction before the Privy Council back in 2013 and it was novel use of the mRNA
    evidence that was the primary focus of the 2017 appeal. The Court of Appeal has
    found that the mRNA evidence was wrongly admitted at his 2016 retrial.
    The Court of Appeal have applied the proviso. It was only after the appeal was heard
    that the Crown confirmed that it would seek to rely on the proviso if its primary
    argument as to admissibility of the mRNA evidence was rejected. In a lengthy
    decision the Court of Appeal have concluded that notwithstanding the wrongful
    admission of evidence that was so strenuously contested both before trial and at
    trial, that allowing that evidence to be considered and accepted by the jury, has not
    given rise to a substantial miscarriage of justice and did not make the trial unfair.
    That decision raises important issues and is inevitably one that Mr Lundy will ask the
    Supreme Court to review.
    In those circumstances any further comment on behalf of Mr Lundy is not
    appropriate.
    JHM Eaton QC
    Counsel for Mr Lundy
    9 October 2018
    
    My statements are not on behalf of Mark Lundy, but on behalf of the people of New Zealand who deserve the truth in this case.
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:23am
    - sooty
      
      Ya, dreaming mate!
      
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      October 22, 2018 1:42pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I am not dreaming, the court of appeal have wrongly stated several things that are simply false.
        There is nowhere for them to hide, it is despicable what they have done.
        
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        October 22, 2018 2:11pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Yet you were so adamant that the lengthy delay in the CoA releasing its decision would result in Lundy’s vindication. Instead, the three learned Judges found against him, and now you seem to be claiming they have erred, and your legal knowledge is superior. Somehow, I doubt that.
        
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        October 22, 2018 6:15pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Keeping Stock:
        Here are the words of an American who is 100% sure Mark Lundy is innocent. He has access to all documentation and submissions.
        
        “They will uphold the conviction. They are trying to figure out how to word their ruling.”
        
        July 29 2018
        
        Jim Lovering.
        He was a key activist in Amanda Knox, and her exoneration. He knows more cases than we have had hot dinners.
        Rest assured we will demonstrate that Mark Lundy is innocent beyond any doubt, and your people will own what they have done to a fellow citizen with some regret.
        
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        October 22, 2018 6:35pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Notsofast:
      
      My statements are not on behalf of Mark Lundy, but on behalf of the people of New Zealand who deserve the truth in this case.
      
      Well, judging by your uptick/downtick ratio, you don’t speak on behalf of Kiwibloggers!
      
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      October 22, 2018 3:32pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I speak on behalf of scientists mathematicians and logicians that roam this country, hopelessly outnumbered by knuckledraggers.
        
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        October 22, 2018 5:49pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Ah yes, when all else fails, bring out the ad-homs.
        
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        October 22, 2018 6:16pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I am not doing ad hominem, I am playing the ball, no one else is here by down ticking every post. That is ad hominem.
        
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        October 22, 2018 6:41pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        I am playing the ball
        
        If you call criticising two sets of jury members, and defaming the crown prosecutor, and defaming a crown expert witness, and criticising the trial judge, and first complimenting the Court of Appeal judges then criticising them when they delivered their judgment, and criticising the majority of Kiwibloggers who downtick you playing the ball, then your definition is nothing like mine!
        
        Here’s a soapbox. Why not stand on it, and tell the world what smoking-gun evidence you have that no one else has understood. No promises to provide it later. No suggestion that everyone else has been hoodwinked. Put your best foot forward. We’re all ears!
        
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        October 22, 2018 7:07pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Nostradamus:
        I will explain on wednesday morning at 8 am.
        Thank you for showing an interest, no one else has.
        
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        October 22, 2018 7:13pm
    - KevOB
      
      The SC is not going to consider facts. Like the CA it deals with issues of law such as nature and quality of admissibility.
      
      The Jury trial gives an exhaustive process for facts to be tested and for a jury to use its nous.
      
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      October 22, 2018 3:58pm
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        The jury were fools to a woman.
        
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        October 22, 2018 5:50pm
Happychappy

A quote from blubber to all his follows on his blog last night about Simon Bridges, “he’s done and I will make sure he never leads anything again ever again, Paula Bennettis toast too”. It looks like his mental health is still a problem too.
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October 22, 2018 8:35am
- dime
  
  Delusions of granduer
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Two words too many in your short post, otherwise, on the money.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:48am
- waikatogirl
  
  WO believes he has the influence to “make sure he never leads anything ever again”.
  Baawahaaaaaa. LOL!
  
  Nobody is listening to Cam. In the meantime, it appears he has helped an unstable individual to ruin his life and that of his family.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:51am
  - DigNap15
    
    Sadly, when I last checked WO does get a lot of page views
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:15am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      That’s because all his posts are in preview mode only. If you want to see the whole post, you have to click through. That was a trick he taught me when I was blogging.
      
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      October 22, 2018 10:50am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Interesting. WO looks to be relying on what’s known as a vanity metric. 15+ years ago it was popular to boast of page hits when promoting the value of a website to potential investors. That very quickly evolved to managing engagement trends, and other usage trends which were proven to increase future profitability. Looks like WO’s narcissism has him stuck in an online time-warp.
        
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        October 22, 2018 4:18pm
  - Tricati
    
    So true, and I think Slater is as narcissistic as Ross and their high opinion of themselves is their undoing.
    Slater is now just trying to deflect from his involvement in this sordid affair, as its not going to their plan; as is Soper & HDPA.
    I was not a great fan of SB selection as National Party leader, but is has shown quiet resolve under significant pressure over this, and I suspect many of his detractors will be pissed off.
    SB now needs to rearrange his front bench for a full out attack on the COL, and that would include replacing Bennet, as I see her as a bad apple.
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:30am
- VicParking
  
  WO and JLR would make great room mates. They have simular symptoms.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:03am
  - G152
    
    If a current court case has any bearing on the matter that scenario may well play out
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:26am
- secondcumming
  
  To be fair to Cam, I reckon he just makes up a lot of shit like this to get up Pete George’s nose 😛
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:09am
sooty

Not another taxpayers dollar to be spent, except on maintaining his life behind bars.
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October 22, 2018 8:42am
dime

A few days ago I suggested a suicide attempt was on its way. Probably attempt by 6 panadol and a lengthy pr campaign painting jlr as a victim

My comment was deleted but I’ll say it again

I’m not buying this bullshit

Whale oil is full of crap. His blog today about just wanting his friend to be ok.
I could have written it last week.

Lies and manipulation.
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October 22, 2018 8:45am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  A friend would be there voluntarily.
  
  Slater betrays his claims of friendship with JLR by his own writing:
  “Yesterday was a rather stressful day for me. I and a good friend have been working constantly over the last few days to help Jami-Lee Ross, who was to us clearly in distress.”
  
  Slater and Lusk as support crew – what could possibly go wrong? Note the first person singular, a common feature of Slater’s writing and insight into his attitude. JLR is a vehicle for me me me.
  
  “The National party are a piece of work. That statement is appalling. If they cared so much why was it left to me and my mate to inform JLR’s wife of his whereabouts and condition?”
  
  See folks, Slater is the victim here. JLR is no friend of Slater’s, he is an asset to be managed. In the absence of National ‘caring’ in a manner that satisfies Slater, the poor soul is forced into action.
  
  JLR is collateral damage in Slater’s National Party vendetta. When he writes of enablers being responsible for this mess, he needs to look closer to home than NZNP.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:20am
  - MrTips
    
    Yup. He is really a piece all right.
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:31am
  - KevOB
    
    The order for compulsory assessment is required to be given to JLR and his family. He’s not simply secreted away.
    
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    October 22, 2018 4:04pm
JibberJabber

JLR has learnt the hard way that if you lie down with dogs you get fleas.
The toxic feral WO has gloated for years that this is how he like politics, the dirtier the better, now his mates have failed once again he`s having a sook and reverting to his usual modus operandi, “but wait there`s more”.
Any politician that has ever communicated with him is forever tainted, that`s why Judith has reached as far as she`s ever going to go in the National party.
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October 22, 2018 8:47am
- kevn
  
  @JibJab… It seems the vendetta on the National Party has gone wonky with many unintended consequences. The JLR outcome to date, seems to be collateral damage.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:07am
- Doubledimp
  
  Slater likes to comment with unrestrained glee about “politics being a dirty game played by dirty people” whenever it happens to someone else, but when his Dad smart-mouthed Bill English and got cut off of any rewards for his years of service, he blubbers like a baby. (I don’t know much about politics, but I know not to tell an up-and-coming member of the party that he “dresses like a hayseed”. Duh!)
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:13am
  - rockape
    
    Remember his dad was responsible for the dipterous 1999 campaign and was there for the lead up to the even worse 2002 one before he got the boot. Slater carries on with his hate which is eating him alive.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      dipterous 1999 campaign
      
      Would you mind expanding on that?
      I’ve only come across the adjective dipterous – in relation to things like blowflies or maple fruits.
      
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      October 22, 2018 10:12am
      - rockape
        
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        Grow up maggie!
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @rockape
        I’m 65.. I don’t grow up, I grow out.
        
        It was a genuine question..
        I only know of diptera.. meaning 2 wings.
        δι- di- “two”, and πτερόν pteron “wings”.
        
        What did you mean?
        
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        October 22, 2018 12:41pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right JJ we can also get some insight to all his BS about National sources if Ross has been his biggest last one. But the biggest laugh was how “he and a friend” were in support when Ross got to the rubber room.
  
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  October 22, 2018 3:31pm
Urban Redneck

Slater is being mentioned in the media again. That’s all that matters to him.
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October 22, 2018 9:00am
DigNap15

As I said TV1 never even mentioned JLR on the day he went into a mental unit.
There bias is incredible
And as for all these “reporters” saying National or so and so are toast!
Where do they get off?

Wait till the polls give an answer
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October 22, 2018 9:01am
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15,
  
  Reported by Red radio 14 hours ago,
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/369122/ross-reported-as-being-taken-into-mental-health-care
  
  Sigh!
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:05am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Red radio is not TV1.
    Did you read DigNap’s post?
    
    Sqwark
    
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    October 22, 2018 1:28pm
- DJ Ward
  
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  No, the rules changed. You are not legally allowed to report on a patient giving out details, especially in these circumstances. The media has probably just taken a step back while they get advice. Plus they might be a little concerned about saying things that might cause Jami to suicide, unlike last week when they went MeToo on him.
  
  National is tainted by proof of many versions of back door dealings taking place. Fixer men, bag men, and coverups with the Leader involved.
  
  The swing voters won’t like the hypocrisy, or the dirty politics.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:33am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    So a bit like the Labour Party coverup of their young labour camp and the activities, drinking, sex etc.,
    Note I sue the word YOUNG in connection with Labour. Unlike the JLR matter which involved adults.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:38am
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      Whataboutism at it’s finest .
      Just own it. National’s leadership look weak and they’re being exposed for the charlatans they are.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:51am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “The swing voters won’t like the hypocrisy, or the dirty politics.”
    
    One can just hope that they like new taxes and a ruined economy even less.
    
    Let’s get back to the real issues!
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:38am
- artemisia
  
  TVOne news at 6pm Sunday led with a very brief factual statement.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:59am
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dime,

“Lies and manipulation.”?

Something that you seem well versed in?
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October 22, 2018 9:01am
- RightNow
  
  Wow, what a dick thing to say.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:03am
- VicParking
  
  Morning Stephie, takes one to know one.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:05am
- Swifty
  
  Get help you cock.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:02am
peterwn

What Cam Slater and Herald journos are effectively saying ‘It is all the National Party’s fault that Jami is in his current predicament because National MP’s refused to topple Simon Bridges as leader’.
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October 22, 2018 9:03am
- stephieboy
  
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  peterwn, expand on and substantiate that wild claim?
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:07am
  - flipper
    
    Nothing wild about it dumbass !
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:05am
- VicParking
  
  Like it was all Cindy’s fault because she appointed Clare Curran.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:07am
- peterwn
  
  Furthermore Cam seems to be using the Herald as his useful idiot.
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:55am
fluffykiwi

Winston Peters has gone very quiet on the “saga”, given his connection with WO and Mr Lusk. Surely Winnie never short of an opinion would have one.
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October 22, 2018 9:09am
- DJ Ward
  
  So has Collins.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:18am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Mrs Collins would be extremely wise to “ditch” any association with Slater and come out and say so. Because he has sung her virtues loudly and clearly and claims a huge friendship with her can only be detrimental to her aspirations for leadership. We would all wonder if she were leader what is she telling him. Anything he blogged about we would think Judith Collins has been talking to him.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:22am
    - Paulus
      
      I think you will find out if you wanted to that Judith Collins has had nothing to do with Slater for a long time.
      It is only the grandstanding of Slater that he wants to make us believe, which we don’t, that he has an association with Judith, who would avoid him like the medical and mental condition which he has.
      
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      October 22, 2018 10:55am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        I hope you are right on this. WO could now be looked on as “death” to any budding political career. There is dirt and there is dirt.
        
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        October 22, 2018 1:25pm
      - cmm
        
        Perhaps, but if she doesn’t make a statement people will just assume they’re BFFs.
        
        Remember it is perception that counts. Not reality.
        
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        October 22, 2018 1:50pm
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So Simon and JLR have some kind of disagreement resulting in the 5 vs 15 conversation. Majicaly out of nowhere the media can put all the women together in a hit job “sexual harrasment” MeToo story when JLR presses the self destruct button.

I don’t understand how WO or Lusk was involved in that. Only Simon and the inner circle could have done that. Only Simon, had all the information. The media can only been fed information for things to happen so fast.

The most important thing here is one of JLR’s comments. “Including people making the accusations”. WO and Lusk will make sure the next move by JLR is not mania driven behavour.

There’s a hit job coming on a senior National MP. My guess is that will be fatal.
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October 22, 2018 9:15am
- fluffykiwi
  
  JLR admitted the accusations he named women. So people making accusations were actually just stating fact.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:24am
  - DJ Ward
    
    No. The media presented the stories first. JLR responded by naming them.
    
    If someone was making an anonymous accusation agianst me, I would name them publicly as well.
    
    He named them publicly. The media in now knowing their identity, interviewed them. Jami then responded to the the anonymous interviews by naming them. Err that doesn’t make sense.
    
    Get your facts strait.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:45am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      The accusations were made. JLR then responded and named the women. So by JLR responding in this way it would prove that the accusations were correct, not just accusations. Had JLR not responded they would have remained just “accusations”.
      
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      October 22, 2018 9:57am
      - DJ Ward
        
        He never denied the relationships. He denies the accusations of conduct within those relationships.
        
        Get your facts right.
        
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        October 22, 2018 10:34am
- RightNow
  
  More likely Slater releases a recording that he thinks will bring down Bridges and Bennett but in reality only proves he’s balls deep in manipulating JLR.
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:27am
- flipper
  
  What a load of garbage !
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:07am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Melanie Reid had been working on a story involving four women for about a year. No “magically out of nowhere” about it.
  
  Next conspiracy theory …
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:09am
MCos

Here’s an interesting article about Simon Lusk from a long time ago; last Friday.
https://www.thespinoff.co.nz/politics/19-10-2018/i-am-just-motivated-to-cut-throats-meet-jami-lee-rosss-political-mastermind/

It’s ironic, if this article is to be believed, that tactics used by the the Republicans in America are perfectly acceptable to the right wing there, but not here when adapted by Lusk for use by Ross.
What part Lusk had in the final train wreck is beyond me.
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October 22, 2018 9:24am
kevn

@Mcos… It would seem so.
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October 22, 2018 9:32am
Biscuit

[I’d have posted this on Whale Oil’s own site but WO is a precious wee soul, ain’t he – well, NOT so ‘wee’, ha – and he brooks no dissent from his own sainted opinions…]

Have just chortled over Whale Oil’s ‘National’s hit job puts JLR into care’ article.
Over 850 words of ‘Lookity, I izz an importint playa’ twaddle…
Let’s dissect a few of his more laughable comments.

‘I and a good friend have been working constantly over the last few days to help Jami-Lee Ross, who was to us clearly in distress. On Saturday night things took a turn for the worse and we received a text message at 0400 that indicated he was in care and not by choice. It took until 1 pm on Sunday for us to verify that he was okay and being looked after.’
Surely someone ‘working constantly’ with Jami-Lee would have better lines of communication with him than THAT?
[And why the curious switch between time formats, WO? 0400 and 1 pm? ]

‘The National party are a piece of work. If they cared so much why was it left to me and my mate to inform JLR’s wife of his whereabouts and condition?’
It seems that JLR’s wife was the least of JLR’s concerns if his reported extra-curricular activities are anything to go by. Were they even still together?

‘I am also privy to information that indicates that on the day Ross was given leave both Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett were given permission to contact Ross’s medical advisors and were told in no uncertain circumstances where this would likely end up if they continued down this path.’
Medical advisors are like political commentators, WO. A dime a dozen. Why, I bet if I looked about, I could find a supposed National Party sympathiser who advised ‘his’ flock to vote New Zealand First at the last election ‘to keep the National Government straight and true.’

‘If you believe that then I have a bridge I can sell you.’
WO, you can’t even sell your cow meat and/or your branded memorabilia to me.

[This] ‘doesn’t pass the sniff test. What we have witnessed here is a continuation of the nasty way in which National rinses someone that is a risk to the leadership. It goes back years.’
Ooh, let me guess, back to when you and a certain family member were overlooked in favour of someone else?
How dare they, eh?
An’ yu bein importint playas, two!
A tad bitter, aren’t we?

‘Right now I am more concerned about my friend who is hurting.’
Bovine excreta, WO.
This has Agenda written all over it.
YOUR Agenda, that is.
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October 22, 2018 9:47am
- MrTips
  
  Agree 100% Biscuit. IMO, Slater and Lusk are shitting themselves that this whole JLR saga could be the end of them. Its not a good advert is it? Let us groom you in politics so you can become an MP and end up burned up and in the mental ward!!!
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:22am
- fernglas
  
  While the interests of an unwell person are important, they do not necessarily trump the public interest in government running properly. One needs only look at the political advantage being taken by the parties in power to understand that. Peters with his smarmy “burning Bridges” thing. That twat at the Standard who sullies the name of a great politician and leader by writing a pseudonymous article about how reliable and honest Mr Ross seemed compared to Mr Bridges when he was in fact suffering from a mental illness bad enough that he needs to be assessed, in the opinion of at least one medical professional, under the Mental Health Act. Who knows what the full background is. But sometimes, things have to be done which in hindsight turn out to be in error. As long as they are done for the right reasons, that is all that can be asked. And when it is my Government/Parliament that is being disrupted, I am delighted if they remember who they are there for. Not for each other. It’s not a workplace. They are there for us. We come first.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:24am
dime

Before I head out for the day.. I’ll leave you with this.

Jamie Lee veitch
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October 22, 2018 9:50am
- Morrissey
  
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  Veitch severely attacked and injured a woman. AND he was loudly supported for months by his colleagues at NewstalkZzzzzB. They also heaped filth on his victim Kristin Dunne-Powell.
  
  Has Jami-Lee Ross, for all his faults, beaten up and kicked anyone? Has he put anyone in a wheelchair?
  
  The comparison is invalid.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:36am
  - peterwn
    
    Whaleoil’s Rule 7
    “Never wrestle with pigs, two things are for certain if you do. You will get dirty and the pig will enjoy it.”
    Jami broke this rule – and he and his supporters wonder why he is bruised. But in this case the pigs did not enjoy it.
    Seems one set of rules for some people and another set for everyone else.
    
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    October 22, 2018 12:05pm
  - dime
    
    Lol @ the far left guy defending Jamie Lee
    
    My point is veitch used depression and weak suicide attempts as a pr move to get his job back.
    
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    October 22, 2018 12:50pm
    - Tall Man
      
      However, don’t you think it was unfair to hound him out of the job after years of good behaviour.
      
      How long should he be punished for something that he did?
      
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      October 22, 2018 3:33pm
      - peterwn
        
        He could have ‘fessed up to leaking with probably the only penalty being a demotion of 30 or so ‘places’. He would have then had a year to redeem himself before 2020 candidates were chosen and list rankings done. Instead he chose to tough it out until something gave. Simon Bridges gave him three months leave of absence to sort himself out, but his ‘mentors’ seemed to have sorted him out their way.
        So far from being ‘hounded out’ he blew it three or more times until his fellow MP’s got sick of him.
        Like that school teacher who refused to resign when caught doing something unacceptableand was hounded out of the school into a mental hospital by a smart principal. He taught maths and science so could have easily taken the hint, found another teaching job and left quietly (both the teacher and principal are long deceased).
        
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        October 22, 2018 4:25pm
    - Morrissey
      
      “Far left”? You don’t have a clue, fool.
      
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      October 22, 2018 6:50pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Your dime wasn’t worth the two cents.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:38am
Richard

The hostile MSM are outraged that Simon has not only survived this so far but is now starting to look like he has some balls (at last) and has fronted up to media on the issue and continued to put himself out there at public events (which can always run off script when involving the public) from field days to Diwali celebrations. He’s also now looks justified in his actions on the issue and Jamie Lee Ross has failed to back up any of his claims while the real truth about Jamie has been exposed and JLR now clearly a complete liar. I expect to see many more MSM attacks on Bridges and National as they attempt to try to take him down. Their next lines of attack will be the release of new poll results (as if poll results matter 2 years away from an election) and/or claims Bridges-National have bullied JLR over his mental illness. Sigh. They are so bloody predictable and will continue to fail.
As for Jamie Lee Ross: faking madness is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Just ask Whaleoil’s former insurer.
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October 22, 2018 9:59am
- DJ Ward
  
  The police have yet to make a statement on the allegations and evidence provided in the 2 hour interview.
  
  If it was lunacy we would know by now.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:57am
  - KevOB
    
    JLR has been reported as having been “sectioned” and detained. That means an appointed doctor has found he has mental health problems needing compulsory treatment.
    
    JLR’s diagnosis has patient confidentiality.
    
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    October 22, 2018 4:13pm
- doggone7
  
  “Their next lines of attack will be the release of new poll results.”
  
  Are you suggesting the usual periodic poll results shouldn’t be published because if they are it would be an attack on Bridges?
  
  If shit and whatever negative stuff had been happening for the other side and someone’d said poll results being put out was an attack and so they should be withheld you’d being going mad about media cover-up and bias of all sorts.
  
  “They are bloody predictable” ? Looks like they haven’t got that on their own.
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:33am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    No, but you do have to rely on the honesty of the person asking the questions. How do I know that during my recent polling that what I answered was what was recorded?
    
    Jan from Colmar Brunton’s offshoot (name escapes me) did have the odd drawing in of breath at some of my responses, (they were polite, so it wasn’t that), very easy to skew the polls, if you are of a different political persuasion..
    
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    October 22, 2018 4:00pm
    - doggone7
      
      You think the polls are crap because the people asking the questions ignore responses and instead tick which columns they want?
      
      Let’s get that out to everyone. The prominence polls are given will be diminished because everyone will think they’re made up and totally meaningless.
      
      I was polled once with comments to agree with or not or options to choose from. The options were restricted, there were other possible answers. It was a distortion.
      Some outfit called Curia.
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:21pm
Morrissey

Possible Replacements for Bumbling Bridges
No. 2: PAULA “SNITCH” BENNETT

Positives:
(1) She’s rough.
(2) She’s tough.

Negatives:
(1) She’s a notorious snitch, a leaker, a sneaky backstabber. New Zealanders don’t like that.

(2) She was in the car with another shrunken heavyweight, Chester Borrows, when he drove it into a crowd of protestors.

(3) Nobody trusts her. Nobody.

This series is compiled by the team at Daisycutter Sports, Inc.

Candidate No. 1: Simon O’Connor

Coming up: Gerry Brownlee
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October 22, 2018 10:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Correction.
  She was in a car with Chester Borrows driving at snail’s pace when an idiot protester put her foot under the tyre.
  There, fixed.
  But there’s no fix for the bitter and deluded Morris Marina.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:12am
  - Morrissey
    
    That’s right, he drove into a woman.
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:24am
- flipper
  
  Yeah….
  So Labour will resurrect Alamein Kopu….. and Peters? The Devil ?
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:13am
Swifty

Bye bye Morrissey.
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October 22, 2018 10:05am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Bye bye Bridges, you mean.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:06am
  - Swifty
    
    Told ya.
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:22am
  - Richard
    
    You would have to be crazy to want to replace Simon….
    
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    October 22, 2018 10:50am
Captain Mainwaring

Morris Dancer lasted all of ten minutes.
We’re getting good at this, team.
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October 22, 2018 10:19am
- Morrissey
  
  https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/10/possible-replacements-for-bumbling_21.html
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:29am
- DJ Ward
  
  Was that sexual?
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:40am
Tom Barker

You must admit, Jamie-Lee Ross makes a stunningly effective advertisement for the political insight and black-ops skills of Simon Lusk and the Bloated Blowhard. They must be turning away prospective new clients by the dozen.
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October 22, 2018 10:19am
- MrTips
  
  For once, you’re right. Now just do the same with Matt and Annette eh?
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:28am
rockape

Whaleoil Headline”National’s hit job puts JLR into care” Reality is Slater trying to destroy National through manipulating his mate JLR has ruined Ross’s family , career and probably his mental health. Well done Slater, ever wonder why the majority think your toxic!
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October 22, 2018 10:29am
- Inandout
  
  Slater is not in a good place today, and is getting a little incoherent in his writings. Start here Cam, Mike King is quite a sensible chap:
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/nutters-club/
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:36am
- DJ Ward
  
  Slater originally represented one of his accusers, and didn’t try to destroy national with that dirt.
  
  That’s not a mate.
  
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  October 22, 2018 10:45am
Richard

Lusk & Slater. When you need to blow up your life think Lusk & Slater. Ruin of your career, marrige and reputation guarenteed!
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October 22, 2018 10:42am
MrTips

For you linguals out there:

I before E except after C?
Disproved by science.
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October 22, 2018 10:42am
DJ Ward

Their.
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October 22, 2018 10:48am
- cha
  
  Muphry strikes!
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:08am
- gander
  
  I before E except after C
  Or when sounded like A as in neighbour and weigh
  A bit premature, @DJ Ward?
  
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  October 22, 2018 1:24pm
calendar girl

Listened for 30 minutes to Radio ZB last evening, 6:30 – 7:00pm, during a discussion on sport by two hosts, a man and a woman. I was a little shocked by some of the comments of the male that included:
1. He used the high-brow term “quintessential” (or “quintessentially”) 5 times. What a nob to have on a so-called sports programme!
2. He referred to Colin Meads as “Mead”.
3. He acknowledged that he didn’t know of Yvette Williams, one of NZ’s greatest sports achievers.

Where do they find such people to entertain and enlighten us? (Admittedly, I was entertained.)
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October 22, 2018 10:53am
- DJ Ward
  
  Can you name the first male to get a gold medal for NZ?
  Can you name all the men who have broken a world record for NZ?
  Can you name all the famous sportsmen from prior to your birth, let alone schooling.
  
  Yes she was a great all round Athelete. She was even named Athelete of the century. Ahead of Snell.
  
  Finally it was a discussion on sport, not athletics. Like rugby, football, netball, but not chess.
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:57am
harrygee

Meanwhile in Mexico, an additional 2000 “migrants” have miraculously materialised from somewhere that is “not immediately clear” to swell the caravan to a 5000-strong army that has overwhelmed Mexican officials and is marching to the U.S. border.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12146536
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October 22, 2018 10:58am
- EAD_TWO
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/Black_Pilled/status/1053338063466827778
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1054052031944646657
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:05am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO, tell us more?
    
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    October 22, 2018 11:36am
    - Tall Man
      
      Can’t read for yourself Steffy girl?
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 22, 2018 11:41am
      - stephieboy
        
        Tall Man. politicians and you never lie?
        
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        October 22, 2018 11:44am
      - All_on_Red
        
        People certainly make mistakes Stephie
        Your parents for example
        
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        October 22, 2018 12:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Gosh steffy girl was that another question?
        
        Still struggling to come up with an answer to a very simple question.
        
        You must have a real complex to try so hard to be an idiot.
        
        Is Ardern a liar?
        
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        October 22, 2018 3:17pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Trump has said he will close the border.
  
  Popcorn anybody.
  
  Vast majority are young male economic migrants so they automatically get rejected. Only mothers with kids get to pull the refugee con.
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:23am
- Manolo
  
  Let us hope the US Army is used against the invaders.
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:54am
- skyblue
  
  They need to hurry up so they can register to vote in the mid terms.
  
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  October 22, 2018 6:32pm
DJ Ward

Oh no. We didn’t manipulate her for political purposes.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-files-bar-complaint-against-christine-blasey-fords-lawyers/
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October 22, 2018 11:06am
- stephieboy
  
  DJ Ward, Judicial Watch hopelessly biased and poor fact-checking,
  
  Examples ,
  
  DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing ‘Vanloads’ of ‘Illegal Aliens’ Away from Border – FALSE
  
  Has Nancy Pelosi spent $100,000 on food, booze and “partying” during her air travel? – FALSE
  
  Judicial Watch says ISIS operating a camp in Mexico–near El Paso – FALSE
  ‘Islamic Refugee’ with Gas Pipeline Plans Arrested in New Mexico Border County – FALSE
  Did the IRS ‘Fast Track’ Tax-Exempt Status for ‘After School Satan’ Clubs? – FALSE
  
  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/judicial-watch/
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:40am
  - RightNow
    
    So that means her lawyers did explain it clearly to her and she’s lying?
    
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    October 22, 2018 11:55am
    - DJ Ward
      
      LOL
      
      Stephyboy didn’t read the transcript.
      
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      October 22, 2018 12:01pm
      - stephieboy
        
        DJ Ward ,
        One word explains it all about Judicial Watch ( and you ),
        
        “Credibility!”
        
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        October 22, 2018 12:09pm
    - RightNow
      
      And he keeps playing the man not the ball lol. Total lack of self awareness
      
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      October 22, 2018 12:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Pretty sure steffy is a girl.
        
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        October 22, 2018 12:41pm
Manolo

November approaches:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/412445-trumps-approval-rating-jumps-higher-than-obamas-ahead-of-midterms
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October 22, 2018 11:32am
- kowtow
  
  A desperate media doing its best to influence the elections by trying to tie Trump in with the death of an Arab in Turkey.
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:51am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, the MSM is trying very hard.
    
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    October 22, 2018 11:52am
  - GoVege
    
    JUST “the death of an Arab in Turkey”?
    Don’t you mean the kidnapping, torture and murder of a prominent Saudi born US RESIDENT journalist and contributor to the Washington Post and The Guardian after being lured back into the Saudi embassy in Turkey?
    With Trump covering for the perps when he should be defending human rights especially with America’s own ALLIES?
    
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    October 22, 2018 4:36pm
MrTips

Twitter is for the narcissistic insane:
First, death threat liar and owner of the C-bomb, Marama Davidson tells Martin Martyn to delete his account:
https://twitter.com/MaramaDavidson/status/1054129680125591553
Next up, the fat Kraut reckons Cameron Slater put JLR into the hospital !!! Has as much believeability as Slater’s version I guess.
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1054128967525982209

Insanity.
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October 22, 2018 11:41am
- Tall Man
  
  The annoying thing for me is that we’re paying the wages of some of these dickwits.
  
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  October 22, 2018 11:47am
DigNap15

A good headline for StuffedNZ

Cameron Slater taken to mental unit by Gestapo. I mean police
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October 22, 2018 11:50am
Fletch

Why do I get the feeling that JLR is basically pulling a Harvey Weinstein, going into rehab to hide then coming out in two weeks ‘cured’.
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October 22, 2018 11:53am
- DJ Ward
  
  Harvey Weinstein wasn’t escorted by the police into what in reality is a prison. That will likely occur in 6 months time however.
  
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  October 22, 2018 12:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

UPDATE … NEW ZEALAND: When are the long – term ‘culture issues’ of the National ( Conservative ) Party going to be addressed ? …

… Essential viewing …

NZ politicians need to learn the ABCs of Chinese politics for a ‘constructive relationship’, foreign policy expert says … Q&A with Prof Anne – Marie Brady … 1 News Now

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-politicians-need-learn-abcs-chinese-politics-constructive-relationship-foreign-policy-expert-says

A key issue to come out of last week’s events was the issue of political donations and concern over foreign influence on New Zealand politics, says Anne-Marie Brady, an expert on Chinese politics from Canterbury University.

Professor Brady said it was “great for the Chinese community to be involved in politics in New Zealand, that’s what we want and it’s fine for wealthy people to be contributing to political parties”.

“But it’s not ok for people who are connected to the politics of a foreign Government that has a deliberate policy to interfere in the policies of other nations.” … view & read more via hyperlink above …

Google Search ‘Anne Marie Brady’

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=nvvMW_jfG5So9QOQkqj4Dg&q=anne+marie+brady&oq=anne+marie+brady&gs_l=psy-ab.12..
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Access earlier posts …

Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/watkins_on_the_saga.html/comment-page-1#comment-2338035 … and …
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/weekend-reading-20-21-october-2018/#comment-3208408

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_27_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2003563
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October 22, 2018 11:59am
- Tall Man
  
  Any chance you could pop off to a barby or something?
  
  Sorry, my mistake, you have no friends.
  
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  October 22, 2018 12:43pm
  - gorse
    
    Ardern is a liar. No question mark, this is a statement, not a auestion.
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:10pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … ( ADDED LATER ) … Note too … Prof Brady’s’ concluding comments on the Q&A programme about the provisions of the Education Act 1989 No 80 (as at 13 February 2015), Public Act – New Zealand Legislation … specifically S162 Establishment of Institutions (4) (a) …
  
  (v) they accept a role as critic and conscience of society …
  
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  October 22, 2018 1:12pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    http://www.100days.co.nz/ … Amy Brooke writes …
    
    Whom would you believe, Dr Anne-Marie Brady on Communist China’s influence – or our pathetically performing politicians?
    
    The marvel is that any New Zealanders at all still bother to listen to politicians. They, and the mainstream media, now make a pretty hopeless pair. And as, like most, I make a point of not wasting time by watching politicians perform for a TV audience, it was strictly by accident that I came across the Q&A programme this last Sunday evening. I stayed because of the promise of the appearance of the brave and well-informed to Dr Anne-Marie Brady, held in well-deserved respect world-wide because of her deep knowledge of the way that China’s Communist Party – the CCP – interferes in the internal affairs of other countries. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    October 22, 2018 5:28pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      CCTV put in office of China expert Anne-Marie Brady after burglary | Stuff.co.nz
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/107732870/cctv-put-in-office-of-china-expert-annemarie-brady-after-burglary
      
      … extract …
      
      … After the February burglary of Brady’s home, Australia’s Charles Sturt University installed CCTV in Hamilton’s Canberra office. Hamilton says Brady is viewed as a heroic figure within China circles around the world, not only for her highly regarded work, but for the intimidation she’s endured. “I’ve found that she’s stoical, professional and enormously courageous.”
      
      He adds: “Anne-Marie Brady is a scholar working in a Western university and she shouldn’t have to take extreme security measures to protect her personal safety. It’s appalling. And yet the long arm of the Communist Party can reach as far as Christchurch in order to intimidate its critics.”
      
      New Zealand intelligence security expert Paul Buchanan, of 36th Parallel Assessments, tells Newsroom our Government’s response to Chinese influence – Brady has called for a series of investigations and new laws – has been tepid, so far. “I think that the cumulative pressure from allied Governments in the wake of the Brady expose may force some changes in the Government’s approach.” … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:14pm
Philview

I learnt a new word this week “heteronormative”. I saw it used in a comments sections so attach an article that popped up when I googled the word.
This related to the BBC in the UK which is apparently taking to steps to remove it heteronormative culture by measures such as getting straight staff to wear badges saying they support LGBT rights.
The Coalition Government will be all ears on this and will fit in well with the Government’s “Kindness” guidelines.

https://www.rt.com/uk/441317-bbc-combat-heteronormative-culture/
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October 22, 2018 12:18pm
- kowtow
  
  With or without Brexit , Britain is buggered. By its own useless PC elites. This is a great example.
  
  ‘Yet when the drive to promote gender issues and the celebration of diverse sexuality comes at the expense of military effectiveness – and this is now the case – something has to change and urgently.’
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6299067/COLONEL-TIM-COLLINS-chubby-drug-addled-right-Army-protect-enemies.html
  
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  October 22, 2018 3:43pm
Longknives

Read the comments before Stuff deletes them

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/108012465/stayathome-dad-clarke-gayford-going-back-to-work

This character (and his dreadful horse-faced partner) are nowhere near as ‘popular and loved’ as the NZ Media will have you believe…
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October 22, 2018 12:25pm
- kevn
  
  @Longk… He lasted 4 months on the porch helping a full-time nanny look after their daughter.
  Wow. Nah, not really. More yawn.
  
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  October 22, 2018 12:40pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Got to go to the UN though.
    
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    October 22, 2018 3:48pm
    - sooty
      
      Him and her on their own areoplane to the islands! Met Killary and lived! Scones with the boy/girl. Obama. You would be lucky to get a hat to fit.
      
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      October 22, 2018 4:41pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  comments now closed on stuff, that was quick
  
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  October 22, 2018 1:16pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Probably a bit stunned by the uncomplimentary feedback.
    
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    October 22, 2018 1:44pm
    - kowtow
      
      There was an article on stuff yesterday attacking the NZF “kiwi values” thingey.
      
      Top rated comment was contrary to the thrust of the article…..
      
      “Are you saying that new migrants should give us the bird when it comes to a cultural “code of conduct” that endorses traditional Kiwi values like sexual equality, freedom of religion and all legal sexual preferences and forcing their ideologies on the the rest of us,are you serious?”
      
      Comments closed .
      
      I don’t follow stuff , can anyone enlighten me if this is their MO. When comments run against their agenda they just close it off?
      
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      October 22, 2018 2:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        They certainly do and if the commenter persists in posting what the moderator doesn’t like they get banned.
        
        It’s the lefts way of altering the narrative and public perception.
        
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        October 22, 2018 3:05pm
- Colville
  
  Knives.
  37 comments and ONE is complementary to Gayford.
  
  The rest are split between this is news? / I wish I could do that/ I thought he was meant to be a stay at home dad?
  
  So yeah the public know they have been had.
  
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  October 22, 2018 2:38pm
  - Longknives
    
    Yep
    And just think how many comments were ‘abusive’ and didn’t even make it past the moderator?
    Clarke Gayford really isn’t very well liked by the General Populace..
    
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    October 22, 2018 3:30pm
    - stoptheboats
      
      I see he got rid of his Saudi beard after his defacto partner objected
      
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      October 22, 2018 5:24pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny Longknives there could be a range of headlines for that one coming at the same time as Ross enters mental care. Or “PM admits failure at second job and passes infant care to her mother”.
  
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  October 22, 2018 3:51pm
lazza

As I said yesterday …

Slater/Lusk are the excrement behind and are therefore responsible for JLR’s trubbles.

Today’s General Debate tends to agree … No?

Slater/Lusk are toast. Any budding MP contemplating using their combined scumbag-dirty lowlife services now … just “won’t”.
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October 22, 2018 12:30pm
- KevinH
  
  I’m sure most commentators on this blog saw Cam’s threatening Tweet to take down the Nats.
  Perhaps him and his crony mate are sitting on a pile of txt’s and emails and will continue on where JLR left off.
  Cam loves controversy, it is his stock in trade and he thrives on it. Scandal is his middle name. We shall all have to wait and see what he publishes.
  
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  October 22, 2018 2:48pm
  - rockape
    
    Do you not think Slater was part of this one? He was involved with Ross since Ross first got involved in politics. Ross is now paying the price for tyhat involvement!
    
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    October 22, 2018 3:24pm
    - KevinH
      
      Firstly I sincerely hope JLR gets help and is able to restore his life to a semblance of normality, he is still a young man with his life ahead of him.
      JLR pursued his parliamentary career to it’s zenith, perhaps he went to far and found himself compromised, his career at a tipping point and no doubt he talked to people who essentially gave him bad advice that has backfired on him spectacularly.
      Those advisers will come from that murky world of political conspirators, men who live on the edge, men with huge ego’s and no conscience.
      Those men have exploited JLR mercisely and for that there will be a price to be paid.
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:57pm
Chuck Bird

I heard Peters being interviewed recently and he said that National needed 75% of MP support to trigger the waka jumping law. I thought it was 66%. Does anyone know the true figure?
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October 22, 2018 12:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  Pretty sure that all you need is winston’s permission then you can do what ever you want.
  
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  October 22, 2018 12:44pm
- KevinH
  
  Peters did not do himself any favours in ridiculing the Nats over the JLR affair.
  I would expect it to cost him 1%, the swing voters won’t give him their party vote if he continues on that track. As for Messr Jones , a billion dollars is a lot of largese to pave the way in the provinces, there is the odd bridge up North that needs doing up, Waitangi for instance. The old saying that a week in politics is a long time certainly rings true this week, out in the provinces 2 years is an eternity, locals forget names let alone who paid for the grog.
  
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  October 22, 2018 3:29pm
- MCos
  
  “A party leader would need two thirds of their caucus (all the MPs from their same party) to agree,
  They have to be able to give reasons how the MP has acted in a way that distorts the proportionality of Parliament and is likely to keep doing it. (If the MP appeals the decision they may need to convince a court of those things).”
  That second condition might not be too difficult for a renegade MP to comply with and thus make it damnably awkward to be sacked.
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:46pm
- peterwn
  
  Does not matter. The vote would be 90 something % even if Jami was there and voted against, otherwise it would be 100%. The urgency has gone off removing him as a MP, he will not be back in the House for now.
  
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  October 22, 2018 6:13pm
  - MCos
    
    Except that Botany doesn’t have an official MP.
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:55pm
Chuck Bird

I do not think that someone who has a mental breakdown should be treated like a leper. However, if someone cannot pass a good character test to get a firearm licence they should not be a police officer, an Officer of the Court or an MP.
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October 22, 2018 1:10pm
- Happychappy
  
  Chuck JLR doesn’t know how lucky he is because in the 1950’s / 70’s a nervous / mental breakdown people got shock treatment which made them more conscious of what they had and belittled them even more. My Dad had one through working seven days a week to keep Mum and six children in school playing sport and having good healthy food on our table. In them days their was a stigma over mental health and that gave my father a inferiority complex that he never really recovered from.
  
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  October 22, 2018 1:47pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Happy, I worked at Oakley – now Carrington in 1967. I had some involvement in shock treatment as a trainee psychiatric nurse.
    
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    October 22, 2018 1:52pm
    - fluffykiwi
      
      The Harawiras had a particular kind of treatment as well.
      
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      October 22, 2018 3:49pm
      - sooty
        
        The bash!
        
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        October 22, 2018 4:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    In them days their was a stigma over mental health
    
    There is still a stigma over someone having mental health problems.
    
    Look how quick some anonymous commenters on this blog were to persistently label me as mad, deranged, nutty, etc when they learnt my mother had suicided.
    
    She killed herself in 1963 after her W(h)anganui GP advised her to go to Porirua for treatment as there was nothing further they could do to help with her depression at Whanganui Hospital.
    
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    October 22, 2018 2:05pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Sorry to hear about your mother Maggy. There are certainly some low life cowardly commenters here. Sad.
      
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      October 22, 2018 2:18pm
    - Happychappy
      
      I’m also sorry to hear that Maggy and it doesn’t help when people like that make fun of it to suit their agenda, having seen my father try to recover from his was heart breaking because he always had the thought people were talking about him and in the end he became a hermit in his own home not wanting to go anywhere.
      
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      October 22, 2018 2:40pm
      - Happychappy
        
        We obviously have someone with a mental illness amongst us as we all got a down tick for expressing that a family member had this problem many years ago and their was a stigma attached to it in them days. Just remember who ever you are it can happen to anyone.
        
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        October 22, 2018 4:01pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s very sad, Happy.
        Your father sounds like a very nice man.
        Btw, that’s another reason women are reluctant to report domestic violence.
        They know every other woman in the neighbourhood will be gossiping about them.
        Instead of offering support or at least friendship.
        
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        October 22, 2018 4:25pm
- DJ Ward
  
  The mental health conditions pertaining to firearms licence is not a good character test. Offending is the good character test.
  
  Most people who loose firearms licences due to mental health have not committed offences. They are good people with a medical condition.
  
  If having affairs is a good character test for a firearms licence we should just return our firearms now based on the balance of probabilities.
  
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  October 22, 2018 3:33pm
- peterwn
  
  He is not being treated like a leper because of a mental breakdown, but because he was causing his party much grief and suffering. He would have been given ample opportunity to sort himself out such as three months leave and was no doubt advised to seek professional help.
  He was probably warned that if he was the leaker he needed to ‘fess up or he would be blown out of the water.
  Instead he seemed to be egged on by his ‘mentors’ until he snapped and now they are blaming the National Party.
  
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  October 22, 2018 6:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Australia sexual abuse: National apology delivered to victims

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-45935843

Australian PM currently apologising to child sex abuse victims of that Country’s institutions

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-22/pm-apologises-to-victims-of-child-sexual-abuse/10403130
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October 22, 2018 1:59pm
DigNap15

I’d really like to see the people that cause police pursuits and damage police cars pay for the full replacement costs of each car they wreck.

Even if its $10 a week out of the benefit for life or better still hard labour in a prison camp pay it back! And no top ups or loans till its paid back!

We have to buy new cars and fix them etc.
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October 22, 2018 2:13pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Yes they should. There should be a weekend work scheme so you get 8 hours of minimum wage taken off the debt per day you work.
  
  Planting trees, rubbish collecting, creating walkways, weed etc eradication, or hand digging an underground rail network.
  
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  October 22, 2018 3:40pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Great ideas, what about hand digging a Cook Strait tunnel. (Some thing really productive with their lives)
    We provide the concrete.
    No life insurance
    No Health and Safety
    When the tunnel is finished you get out.
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:04pm
- Longknives
  
  There are very strong rumours in Police/Justice circles that Labour are about to ban Police Pursuits.
  
  So expect much more carnage on the roads (and soaring Crime rate) as these Ferals will have been given a free pass to create havoc by their hero Jacinda…
  
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  October 22, 2018 6:32pm
- MCos
  
  If we’re going to go down that path their are people who are responsible for far more damage than one or two damaged cars.
  
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  October 22, 2018 7:33pm
mic

With everything that has happened this week with JLR, has anyone spared a thought for how the Bridges are coping with this, after all, Simon has hardly done anything like that which JLR has done.
With the media et all baying for his blood they should be very careful with his mental health too.
Seems like the media would have us all believe that all of the other parties are so squeeky clean! Shame on them!
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October 22, 2018 3:34pm
- peterwn
  
  He has full support of his caucus AFAIK. He is no doubt consulting with others and that would be of enormous assistance. It is a valid point whether he is taking special care of mental health. This is something his fellow MP’s should definitely keep an eye on.
  
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  October 22, 2018 6:29pm
  - mic
    
    Thank you. I believe that they are there for him, it’s the continual bashing by the media that has me concerned. Trying times. How quickly they forget how none of them picked up Greg’s depression yet Simon should have known about JLR. Hypocrites all.
    
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    October 22, 2018 7:09pm
    - fluffykiwi
      
      And of course WO being such a good and close friend he would have known, didn’t stop him.
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:50pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right mic just catching up with the latest from NewShub that others may have seen much earlier as the have news : “Mr Ross was picked up early on Sunday and ‘sectioned’ under the Mental Health Act, which means he did not go into care voluntarily.”
      Then what looks like fake news: “Members of the National Party caucus are questioning why the inquiry into the leaking of Mr Bridges’ expenses to Newshub had to be held publicly. Many believe it would have been better handled internally.”
      The public actions of Speaker killing the original inquiry left no option than the internal inquiry they undertook. Lets not overlook his own inquiry that went way beyond the limitations he set on Nationals one to cover his own butt. Sorry but it was Ross who went public with a very long stand up in front of the Media party where he outlined his coming actions. His moral claims were also what upset his victims so much they wanted their story out there since his moral compass was getting so much polar influence it was useless. We are also sensing that the sectioning is seen as a soft option for him as a delaying tactic to linger longer. Fishy too that the Mental Health people have decided to chime in yet the Speaker has had no official notification of an MP being sectioned. It get even worse than that as it seems he can leave to other parts if he has continuous care for support. Perhaps good that things have moved at pace ahead of a crucial caucus meeting tomorrow but with an even tougher nut to crack.
      
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      October 22, 2018 10:44pm
MrTips

A Day in the Life of a Wannabe Political Strategist

Woke up as me. Fuck – the psychic promised I would be Saul Alinsky by now. Get out of my crypt and stamp hard on the floor covered in pictures of opponents faces.

– Breakfast Shoot something. Anything.
Phone rings. “What….yes….no……burn them. No use anymore anyway”. Hang up. Bloody telemarketers.

– Morning. Play Fortnite in God-mode after paying hacker for cheat codes. Fuck, I love the power. Rudely interrupted by family asking to keep noise down.

– Lunch: Power shake made from the entrails of the morning shoot and seasoned with the tears of opponents on Twitter.

– Afternoon: Intense meeting with close collaborators focused on the current political tensions, how best to exploit them for our benefactors and the possible use of AI to advance company income. Child rudely interrupts by asking how long I’m going to be on the toilet.

– Dinner: Humble pie. Fuck. Tastes bitter as usual and not good. Sick of this.

–Evening: Continue work on my next tome. Only the best, most monumental and greatest contribution to the literary world since The Bible. Jesus was nothing – I’ve resurrected multiple times and I bet I’ve got more followers – on reddit anyway.

–Sleep: Dream of delicious 3 on 1 interview with Katie Bradford, Andrea Vance and Jessica Mutch. Oh shit…no!!….not bloody Jame Tame and Paddy Gower as well!!!!!
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October 22, 2018 4:13pm
kevn

When the MSM are using images of JLR that are unflattering, ie mouth open, tongue poking out etc you know there is a theme/agenda in the ‘reporting’.
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October 22, 2018 4:15pm
- itstricky
  
  By “theme/agenda”, do you mean “biggest political bust up in this tiny country for years”? If so, well, yes, that is to be expected.
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:59pm
Jack5

A challenge remains for feminists …

The base were the training course of Royal Marine commandos takes place has been altered with women’s facilities, and entry has been opened to female recruits.

The problem is that women have so far failed to qualify for the notoriously tough training course. Female inquiries about signing up number about 1,350.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6298911/Royal-Marines-living-quarters-reduced-female-facilities.html
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October 22, 2018 4:40pm
duggledog

I see Jacinta’s boyfriend has had a second series of his Fishing Show (that nobody I know has ever seen) recommissioned by Choice TV (a channel nobody I know ever watches).

How lovely for him, thank goodness for all those taxpayer funded staff for the New Mum.

Um, but who’s paying for the fishing show? Because it won’t be him, he said he spent all his money on the first series.

Imagine if Max Key got a TV show where he went round the world watching his favourite DJs.
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October 22, 2018 4:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Choice TV. …majority shareholder is a Canadian (/Brazilian) Co – Blue Ant Media.
  https://www.choicetv.co.nz/#!/page/100/about-us
  A couple of the Directors have interests in Fairfax Financial Holdings
  
  The old Natural History NZ in Dunedin is part of the network.
  https://blueantmedia.com/content/production-houses/
  
  I watch some Docos on Choice occasionally
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:12pm
- itstricky
  
  Imagine if Max Key got a TV show
  
  Imagine if every day someone on here whined about Max’s TV show…
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:56pm
  - Longknives
    
    I live in Central Auckland (Grey Lynn if you must know)
    Max Key is known round these parts as a yappy young fella who rubs people the wrong way at times..
    Clarke Gayford is commonly known as a…
    *Shit the phone rang- It was Police HQ threatening me to shut up!
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:25pm
- igm
  
  What will MSM say if assumed sire of the local by town supply sprog finds a nice fresh filly!
  Tell me he has a tendency to jump a few fences.
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:59pm
  - itstricky
    
    What will MSM say if assumed sire of the local by town supply sprog finds a nice fresh filly!
    
    Although I can vaguely guess what you’re trying to say, that sentence makes absolutely no sense.
    
    Tell me he has a tendency to jump a few fences.
    
    Tell me the moon is made of blue cheese.
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:01pm
    - Longknives
      
      You are aware that your Left-Wing Hero Clarke Gayford was all over Your Tube bragging of his ‘hundreds’ of sexual conquests?
      And that he did a revolting interview with a Student Magazine once bragging about how much #%#% he got??
      
      I guess the ‘#MeToo’ outrage only applies to Right Wing males?
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:01pm
      - itstricky
        
        Who said he was my hero?
        
        I couldn’t care less who he said he’d bagged. Naturally, before I got all outraged and overheated at such sillyness I would put on my “in all seriousness” spectacles and my “student magazine recognition” filters to see if was simply a piss take, a comedy piece or just a product of ill-thought youth.
        
        I guess the ‘#MeToo’ outrage only applies to Right Wing males
        
        Of course not. I think you have a bit of victim mentality going on if you seriously believe that.
        
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        October 22, 2018 7:13pm
      - Inandout
        
        It was possible a pan Party agreement to silence JLR was introduced, lest he reveal things that are normally kept ‘in the club’. The fisherman would have a history a mile long.
        
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        October 22, 2018 7:53pm
dog_eat_dog

So now that JLR is where he needs to be, let’s talk media:

1) Can the people who have had a lot to say about Bridges’ leadership come clean about how closely they have worked with JLR?
2) Can they outline what steps they took to protect their sources over the leak, or is that duty of care only owed by the National Party leader?
3) Can they reconcile being happy to ride the scandal-train while it was heading towards the station without a driver at the controls, yet are now blaming National for being a dirty, bullying party?
4) Can they still remember how to spell MEKA and why friend-of-the-workers Labour bullying of staff is so much less noteworthy than scandal involving National, real or otherwise?
5) Can our major networks explain what steps they are taking to ensure the claims that were made during the lead-up to the recordings being released were being adaquetely checked for accuracy?

This is a period for reflection for all, so maybe rather than punditary, we should be hearing about what part pundits have played in this.
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October 22, 2018 4:57pm
- macdee
  
  Brilliant, a lot of KBers will miss this, can you post on GD tomorrow morning
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:29pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes in my experienve KBers are active from 8 till 12.
    Then they go awol, and a few nutters come back about 6 or 8 oclock and dis each other, talk about goats and Jews.
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:05pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”KBers are active from 8 till 12″…..
      
      If by “active” you mean bashing away at the keyboard espousing ancient conservative social norms & moaning piteously about the young people born after 1950 then you might be on to something. Pro religion, anti drug (but not alcohol) & above all, determined to decide who can fuck who.
      
      I can’t fathom the anti Jew thing but other than that a bit of light banter & comparing goats is welcome relief! 🙂
      
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      October 22, 2018 6:49pm
      - itstricky
        
        the anti Jew thing
        
        EADolf.
        
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        October 22, 2018 7:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I think ‘checked for accuracy’ is more rightly ‘milked for calamity’.
  
  Accuracy buys respect, with leads to long term value, which leads to durable income.
  
  But the MSM don’t have long enough left to follow this strategy, meaning milking anything for its calamity-value is very de rigueur for them.
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:37pm
DJ Ward

Theme in the narrative matches the picture as the two help memory creation. The propaganda is more effective than just the words.

When do you see a respectable picture of Trump on MSM when they are mocking him. A tool in character assasination is to manipulate emotion by applying ideology to a moral. The facts are fixed but truth is limited by knowledge. Knowledge can be manipulated by propaganda.
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October 22, 2018 5:02pm
- DJ Ward
  
  That was for Kevn above sorry.
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:04pm
  - kevn
    
    @DJ…. MSM generally must think NZer’s are stupid.
    So transparent.
    
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    October 22, 2018 5:50pm
    - Tall Man
      
      43% of the voters were plus the few in Winston’s party that thought he would make a reasonable decision not just add up the baubles.
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:30pm
- itstricky
  
  Knowledge can be manipulated by propaganda.
  
  You mean like screaming “FAKE NEWS” every time someone calls you out?
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:53pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    fuckwit A+
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:14pm
    - itstricky
      
      Intelligent comment A++
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:04pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    Yes I do get called out often. But I would rather come to a conclusion and express it and be proved wrong. Learn why I was wrong as in the comment.
    We all become subject the the information we are given. If you don’t learn something new every day you might as well be a NPC like Stephyboy.
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:48pm
    - itstricky
      
      I was referring to Trump. That was one of the examples you gave. Sorry if I did not make that 110% obvious.
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:04pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Never see Taxinda with the ‘resting bitch face’ Just not cricket old boy
  
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  October 22, 2018 6:17pm
stoptheboats

Just a thought, are the Russians involved in trolling to forment unhappy mischief at parliament?? Oh silly me ,Cindy said there are no Ruskie spies in NZ and with her vast experience in business and foreign affairs she would know. .
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October 22, 2018 5:36pm
- itstricky
  
  Cindy said there are no Ruskie spies
  
  She said that she was advised by the appropriate department that there was no one in New Zealand that matched the international criteria that other countries were using to expel diplomats.
  
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  October 22, 2018 5:54pm
  - kevn
    
    @it’s…. Really? You are a believer? What a joke from the liar. whinney just said no.
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:06pm
  - stoptheboats
    
    Thanks Heather, Helen will be proud
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:09pm
    - itstricky
      
      I love it when people think I’m someone important!
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:05pm
      - nasska
        
        Sorry itstricky. As a teacher you’ve missed the bus on the importance racket. But don’t give up…..
        
        ……there’s always reincarnation! 🙂
        
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        October 22, 2018 7:12pm
      - itstricky
        
        I’m a teacher? I’d love to come back as a Elephas maximus or perhaps a Platycercus eximius.
        
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        October 22, 2018 7:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Only a stupid person (polite eh?) wold think heather was important.
        
        She is an unelected blight, as is her husband helen, on our country.
        
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        October 22, 2018 7:27pm
DigNap15

According to Wikileaks, Assange, Hager etc western spies are bad.
And there are no Russian, Chinese or North Korean spies, or internet hack attempts

Ardern thinks that foreign policy is showing off babies and appearing on left wing US talk shows.
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October 22, 2018 6:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  As itstricky posted above,
  
  ” She said that she was advised by the appropriate department that there was no one in New Zealand that matched the international criteria that other countries were using to expel diplomats.”
  
  Or cold war style”reds under the bed “ paranoia rules?
  
  Sigh!
  
  https://manspropaganda.wordpress.com/the-cold-war/
  
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  October 22, 2018 6:43pm
  - rangitoto
    
    You will have to do better than quoting another troll.
    
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    October 22, 2018 6:48pm
    - itstricky
      
      Stating a published position is trolling? Well I never.
      
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      October 22, 2018 7:06pm
      - starboard
        
        Cops are still lookin for ya cuz..
        
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        October 22, 2018 8:07pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Off you go steffy girl.
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 22, 2018 9:40pm
- Morrissey
  
  What a stupid, ignorant comment. Nothing less than one would expect from you, of course, but really and truly, you are a dullard.
  
  You’ve clearly not read a paragraph of any of those sources you allege think “there are no Russian, Chinese or North Korean spies, or internet hack attempts”.
  
  Ignorance is bliss, they say, but you don’t seem particularly happy. Which is a bit sad.
  
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  October 22, 2018 7:56pm
lazza

How many implausible “explanations” have the Saudi’s insulted our collective intelligence with now?

About the only one we are unlikely to get from them … is The Truth.
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October 22, 2018 7:22pm
lazza

Make that “unlikely” … “likely” …. but it will! be … “unlikely”.

Know what I mean? .
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October 22, 2018 7:34pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 49: Louis C.K.

In 2002, a Chicago comedy duo, Dana Min Goodman and Julia Wolov, landed their big break: a chance to perform at the U.S. Comedy Arts Festival in Aspen, Colo. When Louis C.K. invited them to hang out in his hotel room for a nightcap after their late-night show, they did not think twice. The bars were closed and they wanted to celebrate. He was a comedian they admired. The women would be together. His intentions seemed collegial.

As soon as they sat down in his room, still wrapped in their winter jackets and hats, Louis C.K. asked if he could take out his penis, the women said.

They thought it was a joke and laughed it off. “And then he really did it,” Ms. Goodman said in an interview with The New York Times. “He proceeded to take all of his clothes off, and get completely naked, and started masturbating.”

In 2003, Abby Schachner called Louis C.K. to invite him to one of her shows, and during the phone conversation, she said, she could hear him masturbating as they spoke. Another comedian, Rebecca Corry, said that while she was appearing with Louis C.K. on a television pilot in 2005, he asked if he could masturbate in front of her. She declined.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a23562679/louis-ck-second-stand-up-show-comedy-cellar-policy/

https://www.thetoptens.com/most-overrated-comedians/

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”); 24 David Lloyd George; 25 James Franco; 26 Joel Kramer; 27 Rene Naufahu; 28 Steve Wynn; 29 Vince McMahon; 30 Rob Porter; 31 The old buffers at Russell McVeagh; 32 Otago law students; 33 Tom Brokaw; 34 David Scott; 35 Justin Trudeau; 36 Morgan Freeman; 37 Hugh Hefner’s guests; 38 Brock Turner; 39 Les Moonves; 40 Asia Argento; 41 [name withheld]; 42 NY subway groper; 43 His Dishonor Brett Kavanaugh; 44 Corey Lewandowski; 45 Brooke Howard-Smith; 46 Dr. Filth McGraw; 47 Dominique Strauss-Kahn; 48 Roger Ailes
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October 22, 2018 7:40pm
- Morrissey
  
  Three fans of unfunny comedy have signed in. Have a nice evening, dullards.
  
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  October 22, 2018 7:46pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Make that five fuckwitted fans of unfunny fat Louis have registered their presence.
    
    Go and put on a Bill Cosby record, fellas. You no doubt find him funny too.
    
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    October 22, 2018 7:59pm
    - nasska
      
      Never mind…..if God had intended for you not to wank he would’ve made your arms shorter. 🙂
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:00pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Message for you, nasska, from a few people who read your excellent comment….
        
        DEAR NASSKA,
        Nice one, mate! We agree entirely.
        
        Sincerely,
        
        Shane Jones M.P.
        Max Key
        Cameron Slater
        Duncan Garner
        Captain Mainwaring
        The guys at Russell McVeagh
        
        MORE POWER TO YOUR ARM!
        
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        October 22, 2018 8:10pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    At least nine perfectly normal people have registered the fact that Morris 1100 is a totally unhinged fuckwit.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:04pm
    - starboard
      
      morris 1100 needs a re-bore and a new ring.
      Far too much fisting and felching.
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:10pm
- stigie
  
  Should number 49 be Darren Hughes or is he being relieved..?
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:06pm
  - nasska
    
    #50 must be reserved for the Karangahake pervert stigie!
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:08pm
    - stigie
      
      Only the right have reservations on that list Nasska, you know, the pale stale white fellas that haven’t got feelz !~
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:15pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Mr Hughes is on the list.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:13pm
    - nasska
      
      What about the Karangahake predator Morrissey?
      
      Stupefying underage kids with alcohol & molesting them at leisure may be a Labour Party tradition but surely it should be brought into the open.
      
      Unless of course you are ever so slightly biased.
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:19pm
    - stigie
      
      Number 41( name withheld )
      
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      October 22, 2018 8:19pm
- Rich Prick
  
  You’re mental.
  
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  October 22, 2018 8:14pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You’re no. 41.
    
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    October 22, 2018 8:20pm
stigie

Have we been talking shite again fellas..?
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October 22, 2018 8:23pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  DigNap15 commented above:
  
  Yes in my experienve KBers are active from 8 till 12. Then they go awol, and a few nutters come back about 6 or 8 oclock and dis each other, talk about goats and Jews.
  
  I think we’re meant to behave like nutters and talk about goats and Jews. But, just to spice things up, a Dad v Big Bruv stoush could keep DigNap15 suitably entertained!
  
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  October 22, 2018 9:56pm
Captain Mainwaring

Bugger, Morris Dancer and all his links have been cast into the ether again.
Just when I said something very appropriate about him.
Why doesn’t the demented prick just give up polluting this place?
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October 22, 2018 8:32pm
Jack5

Yet another diversity dividend …

Tongans and Indians brawl in Auckland.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12146709
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October 22, 2018 11:44pm
Hugh Pavletich

New Zealand ban on foreign home buyers begins amid doubts it will ease crisis | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/22/new-zealand-ban-on-foreign-home-buyers-begins-amid-doubts-it-will-ease-crisis

A ban on foreigners buying homes in New Zealand has come into force, as the Labour-led government fulfils an election promise that critics say could be a popular but won’t solve the lack of affordable housing.

Housing became a major campaign issue for an election last year that ended the National Party government’s near decade in power and landed Jacinda Ardern the premiership in a surprise result one year ago.

Ardern had blamed overseas speculators for driving up prices, making it unaffordable for many young Kiwis looking to buy their first home. Nationwide prices have gone up 60% in the last decade, and in Auckland, the largest city, prices have almost doubled. … read more via hyperlink above …
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NZ politicians need to learn the ABCs of Chinese politics for a ‘constructive relationship’, foreign policy expert says … Q&A with Prof Anne – Marie Brady … 1 News Now

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-politicians-need-learn-abcs-chinese-politics-constructive-relationship-foreign-policy-expert-says

A key issue to come out of last week’s events was the issue of political donations and concern over foreign influence on New Zealand politics, says Anne-Marie Brady, an expert on Chinese politics from Canterbury University.

Professor Brady said it was “great for the Chinese community to be involved in politics in New Zealand, that’s what we want and it’s fine for wealthy people to be contributing to political parties”.

“But it’s not ok for people who are connected to the politics of a foreign Government that has a deliberate policy to interfere in the policies of other nations.” … view & read more via hyperlink above …
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Alleged National donor Yikun Zhang bringing 1000 well-connected compatriots to NZ … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/107915296/alleged-national-donor-yikun-zhang-bringing-1000-wellconnected-compatriots-to-nz?cid=app-iPad
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October 23, 2018 1:58am
Lee C

Just to paraphrase latest media;
Honours should be apolitical = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Don’t weaponise mental Health = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Bridges does Divali = Let’s destroy Bridges.
No proof of wrongdoing = Let’s destroy Bridges.
JLR in care = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Bridges responds to JLR = Let’s destroy Bridges.
No evidence of wrong doing by Bridges = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Who is the ‘real’ Simon Bridges? = Let’s destroy Bridges.
National are ‘uncaring’ = Let’s destroy Bridges.
JLR has loads more to say = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Not a good look for Bridges = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Chinese rich people = Let’s destroy Bridges.
donations to political parties= Let’s destroy Bridges.
Leader of the Opposition = Let’s destroy Bridges.
There is an Opposition = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Anything vaguely anti-Jacinda = Let’s destroy Bridges.
The National Party exists = Let’s destroy Bridges.
We are objective = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Exploit JLR’s instability = Let’s destroy Bridges.
claim National exploits JLR = Let’s destroy Bridges.
The mentally ill in general = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Any one who has stubbed his toe lately = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Women = Let’s destroy Bridges.
children = Let’s destroy Bridges.
kittens = Let’s destroy Bridges.
The disabled = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Ethnic minorities = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Pick a subject = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Lord of the Rings = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Concerted leftist bias which ignore elephant in room of current Government = Let’s destroy Bridges.
puppy-dogs = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Can’t be bothered to think of anything = Let’s destroy Bridges.
Love sucking up to my pals = Let’s destroy Bridges.

etc. blah blah = Let’s destroy Bridges.
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October 23, 2018 6:46am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I hope that Simon has good mental health and fortitude. I don’t blame Simon or Paula or Bill or John, there is one person that should claim ownership of all, and he might find it difficult to comment, but that will not stop others putting words into his mouth.
  
  Does having a mental health issue make one more or less reliable in the court of public opinion?
  
  I know which way I swing.
  
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  October 23, 2018 12:44pm
RW Capitalist

Finally a poll to get our teeth into.
Labour 45% up 3%
Nats 43% down 2%
Taken last week
After all this crap
and the total movement is within the margin of error
as the yanks would say….a statistical tie.
Labours big chance to get ahead….and….NOTHING.
The problem for Labour now, after all this help from JLR and the MSM this is it.
They will only go down from here, when peoples Xmas holidays are screwed by petrol prices, inflation etc.
Inflation will bite before Xmas.
Not only will prices rise, Xmas is the time people will NOTICE.
less presents
less entertainment
less fun
because…they will have less money and it will buy less.
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October 23, 2018 6:27pm
- tas
  
  link please?
  
  EDIT: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2018/10/23/bridges-at-7-for-preferred-pm-ardern-rises-to-her-highest-rati.html
  
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  October 23, 2018 6:28pm
  - tas
    
    Interviewing took place from October 15 to October 19, with 1,006 eligible voters contacted either by landline or mobile phone. The maximum sampling error was ±3.1 per cent.
    
    I think that is “during” rather than “after” the Ross saga. This is good, very good, much better than I feared, but I’d rather wait for some more dust to settle before reaching conclusions
    
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