General Debate 18 October 2017

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flipper

New Zealand has much to be concerned over matters arising from the Ross saga.
And it is not fund raising or donations from folk with “chinky sounding” names.
The allegations by that demented , self-aggrandizing fool Ross, are reminiscent of what happened in Washington to Brent Kavanaugh because of the manipulated, but totally unsupported allegations by Forbes and heft wing lawyers. Quite apart from what Forbes could not say, because she could not remember, or did not know, there were the quasi political trolls making specious allegations to media and manipulating matters to the point where they, and the MSM, were demanding that Kavanaugh prove his innocence even before Forbes made a statement – a statement that was to be totally devoid of key facts.,
And that is what we have had here , nay still have, from our idiotic and manipulated media, in relation to Ross’s claims against Bridges.
Thanks to trolling by certain folks in conjunction with Ross, urged on by political operatives and MPs (sotto voce), there has been a virtual carbon copy of the Kavanaugh situation in New Zealand. Without corroboration, the MSM, acting as surrogates (or co-conspirators) for Ross and his-co-conspirators, threw allegations around and demanded a response from Bridges. All the while Ross claimed he had taped evidence. Some tape; some evidence. Utter bullshit!
But the MSM ? No, they had invested so much in their narrative that they felt they could not re-direct aim and allow a situation where their allegations (“reported” allegations) the co-conspirators in the MSM and elsewhere shifted aim and emphasis. It has now become an issue over what a Party Leader said in a frank, one on one, conversation about a useless List MP.
This is nothing less than a disgusting attempt to take down a Party leader because a manipulated child-like, would be career politician did not get the spoils he sought. Oh, and propel a female Mark Anthony-like politician into Leadership.
Following the use of Hager and the attempt to take down J Key I had sympathy for one blogger that suffered. But no more.
Unless, nay until, the MSM puts matters right and discloses the true conspirators, we are in for a very worrying time. Clearly the US media are devoid of morality, with so called reporters and / or “anchors” expressing outlandish views on most issues.
In NZ Peters has cowed them (the MSM) into submission. That will continue until someone with very deep pockets (like Banksie when he took on and beat, McCredie, Dotcom and Wylie/Heron) takes them on. That does not appear imminent. But sooner rather than later it will happen. Tough!
But in the meantime, we need to cast a cynical eye on the motives of the various conspirators seeking Bridges’ demise and make it clear that their antics are an attempt at self-serving bullshit.
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October 18, 2018 8:00am
- brett68
  
  Christ, what a silly old tosser, a female Mark Anthony 🙄
  
  You don’t honestly think Judith Collins is involved in this?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:06am
- igm
  
  What has Bridges ever done to Slater? He has been running a campaign against him from the time he was picked to lead National — is he smarting like Peters, over Tauranga, or is it his penchant for Collins, who carries too much baggage to lead National!
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:08am
  - brett68
    
    He’s sided with Peters who shares his hate for the National party.
    
    Since the election there hasn’t been one negative post about Peters, it’s all been about what a great job he’s doing, much to the annoyance of the few readers he has.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:20am
  - Colinxy
    
    I think Slater wants utu for John Key throwing him under the bus during the “Dirty Politics” saga. It appears the only thing that will sate him is if Collins is in charge. Anyone else is hated.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:49am
    - brett68
      
      Very true.
      
      He blames National for the current predicament he finds himself in, like his egotistical man child mate JLR he’s determined to destroy the people who he’s convinced have destroyed him.
      
      I don’t believe Collins has anything to do with Slater, she probably wishes he’d just go away, he’s been nothing but an albatross around her neck for a very long time.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:01am
      - Muttonbird
        
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        You can’t seriously believe that, BM. Collins used Slater to threaten public servants.
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:34am
    - catwoman
      
      Suggest it goes back further than that. Possibly about the way he perceives National treated his father.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:04am
      - Colinxy
        
        He seemed reasonably positive of National prior to Hager getting hold of his emails and publishing them.
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:31am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Slater is a weapons-grade grudge-carrier.
        I’m amazed he has the time and energy to remember them all.
        
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        October 18, 2018 2:36pm
    - Oskar
      
      This is a comment by Cameron Slater this morning. The word utu does come to mind at least as far as Slater is concerned.
      
      “This is very damaging for the National party and after what they put me through under John Key and Bill English, not to mention the constant attacks my family have had at the hands of Bill English is is rather delicious watching some of these ratbags get their beans.”
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:01am
      - tas
        
        I used to consider Slater trustworthy and read his blog regularly. I even seriously considered donating towards his legal costs. However, he has shown himself to be utterly obsessed with utu. I’ve stopped reading WhaleOil (except to peek when there are big issues like now). He is so full of shit. Anyone he associates with is marked down in my estimation,
        
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        October 18, 2018 1:08pm
  - cmm
    
    “What has Bridges ever done to Slater?”
    
    Easy. He isn’t Collins.
    
    Serve up anyone but Collins and WO will keep going off like a banshee.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:29am
    - yossarian
      
      And he’s too stupid to realise, that all this hugging of Collins is costing her any chance of the job, that I believe she would do well.
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:08am
      - cmm
        
        Quite
        
        She needs to have a wee talk with SB and explain that WOs”help” isn’t really helping.
        
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        October 18, 2018 11:29am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    Up until just a few years ago Slater considered Bridges a friend- his crime was to stand in the way of Colins…..
    
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    October 18, 2018 3:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Yes, it is all about money from people with Chinky names.
  
  So many questions ,especially in light of China’s known United Front activities.
  
  How many ex members of the Chinese Communist Party get to become MPs in our parliament off the back of these deliberately hidden donations?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:29am
  - Simon
    
    Yep National opened to NZ to bent Chinese capital flows.
    
    At very least Chinese capital doesnt pay income tax and there is no environmental or employment law.
    
    Tax free Chinese capital competes against heavily regulated and taxed NZ capital that is a huge imbalance.
    
    National knows ofcourse they dont give a fuck because it gives the economy a short term boost and got them reelected twice.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s it…keep pushing the labour HQ soundbites. The concerted effort by the commentators from the left just looks dumb, like most of you lefties.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:40am
    - kowtow
      
      Bullshit . I’m not a Labour voter. I’m a small govt conservative. This is not about left or right.
      I’m amazed at you tribal Nationalistas who seem to think it’s OK for Red China to have a disproportionate level of influence in our country.
      
      There’s a word for that , treachery.
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:52am
      - The Virgin
        
        I agree with you KT, I am a perennial Nat voter from Bill English country. This pisses me off and the spin from both sides of the political spectrum is diabolical. Clearly there is Chinese influence, via cash, in our political system and those tribal Nat voters who put there head in the sand and deflect are no better than those politicians taking the cash.
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:04am
      - Tall Man
        
        I think you’d better look under your bed tonight in case the Chinese boogeyman is hiding there.
        
        Please identify exactly where the Red Chinese have influence in our country over any one of our major trading partners.
        
        It’s easy to jump on a bandwagon “hating” a bunch of invisible people but when the facts are sought they are just not there.
        
        You talk about National “selling” our country to the Chinese. Examples please?
        
        If anyone, currently, has a disproportionate influence on our country it is clearly the labour unions and the UN. Look at our subservience to UN reports on education, child welfare, racial imbalance and so on.
        
        That “imbalance” is sought and propounded by the coalition losers some of whom seek higher stations at the UN in their future.
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:33am
      - kowtow
        
        Evidence?
        
        The tape , the discussion.
        
        Have you listened to it , Tall Man?
        
        “There’s no catch to it ( Yeah right) , you may recall at the dinner they discussed candidacy and another candidate………”
        
        “Two Chinese would be nice…..”
        
        Chinese money appears to be buying seats in parliament.
        
        And that’s not a big deal to tribal Nationalistas here?
        
        Tui should run a new series of ads; ” There’s no catch to it”
        
        Bwahahahahaa
        
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        October 18, 2018 10:32am
      - Tall Man
        
        And there we have it folks…kowtow has a problem with a National leader trying to include Chinese in our political system.
        
        Simon Bridges would like there to be two Chinese in Parliament when Asians make up 11% of our population. Kowtow finds that offensive but I’ll beat is always happy about the Greens and labour trying to get a gender balance.
        
        Maori represent 14% of our population yet are granted 7 exclusive seats plus whatever maori stand in the general electorate. But hey, 2 Chinese is a takeover of democracy.
        
        What a tosser you are. Face it, labour and most of their supporters are racist as is NZ First and most of the maori seat politicians. They all hate the Chinese despite them being a very large percentage of our population.
        
        Maori deserve extra seats but the Chinese kiwis are not permitted a voice.
        
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        October 18, 2018 10:51am
      - kowtow
        
        Tall Man , you’re full of shit.
        
        I don’t care what colour any MP is as long as they’re competent (and don’t want to steal my money)
        
        You are deliberately twisting what I’m saying into racism. The issue is donations from dubious Chinese sources for seats in parliament .
        
        If you’re happy with that then you’re the idiot.
        
        You’re not prepared to engage in free and open debate ,you’re making up shit and you’re simply a troll .
        
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        October 18, 2018 11:00am
      - Tall Man
        
        So kowtow you don’t care what colour they…really. You have been constantly ranting about the “Chinese” taking over our country but apart from a leader of a political party wanting greater representation for them you have no evidence.
        
        What about the unions demanding greater representation in Parliament all the way through to selecting the leader of the labour party? That’s ok is it. Where does their money come from or don’t you care?
        
        Dig a little deeper sunshine and you will find that labour has also received money from the Chinese so I guess we’re well fucked then aren’t.
        
        Finally, how does 2 MP’s represent a take over?
        
        You love the hyperbole but basically you are just another labour hack trying to stir up issues that don’t exist. If there is treachery, bring it out into the open or just fuck off with your hysterical innuendo.
        
        By the way, cat got your tongue?
        
        Is Adern a liar?
        
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        October 18, 2018 1:25pm
    - Simon
      
      Aw bless Tall Man thinks National are right wing.
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        Please post where I said that.
        
        Oh that’s right, you’re from the left so don’t need facts, just an opinion is fine isn’t it? Pop back to mummy Adern and get a few more pointers, this one isn’t going to fly.
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:35am
    - Justitia
      
      Tall Man, you are obviously a National Party troll. The National Party these days is a party of the Left.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:56am
      - Tall Man
        
        Is Adern a liar?
        
        I have asked this question repeatedly of you socialist posters. So far, not one has had the courage to answer.
        
        Why is that?
        
        I am not concerned by your measure of left or right. National is a party of those that seek to better themselves and their country. If you see that is left so be it.
        
        Labour, the greens and NZ First seem to be the party of those that seek to benefit themselves alone and fund the dregs that desire to gain what others have without making the effort.
        
        I see that as leftist but if not, perhaps we can agree to rephrase it as the politics of the lazy, greedy and stupid.
        
        Does that work for you?
        
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        October 18, 2018 10:12am
- niggly
  
  Even the MSM is claiming that JLR is not operating alone and that he is linked to shady operators like Simon Lusk. Which suggests that JLR had gone “rogue” for some time and had been building up a stockpile of dodgy recordings.
  
  So looks like Lusk (supported by WO), still bitter after all these years after being frozen out by the National Party, are applying some sort of “scorched earth policy” to the National Party in order to “punish” and wreck them, this time by using a willing JLR.
  
  And it’s simply not a case of them attacking Simon Bridges to have him removed as leader, they clearly have the National Party in their sights too (just by looking at the collateral damage that JLR has been scripted to cause).
  
  Trouble is, like all stupid stunts when bruised egos are involved, this is not doing JLR, Lusk or even WO much good in terms of their credibility (can’t these self-centred numpties see they are making it worse for themselves). It’s just a reminder to the MSM that there are some unscrupulous operators out there which then provides a new angle for the media to look into, which they are doing, and far from Simon Bridges and the National Party being “dodgy” even many in the media are starting to realise this.
  
  Well of course apart from the likes of Barry Soper and HDPA of course – they have stuck to their narrative for so long now but will they admit they were wrong?!!!
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:54am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    All I can say (not really ;)) is that I bet Simon is glad that he stuck to his guns regarding the leak inquiry, well done!!! Ross is a silly little boy.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:00am
    - niggly
      
      Agree – looks like it flushed JLR out alot sooner (which perhaps JLR and co weren’t expecting that).
      
      Imagine how many more secret recordings JLR would have made (with all sorts of people within National targeted and blackmailed) had Simon “listened” to the MSM, or Winston etc and decided NOT to hold an investigation (allowing JLR to carry on business as usual).
      
      Well done Simon Bridges and the National Caucus for both sticking to their guns and co-operating, all working together as a TEAM!
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:07am
    - trout
      
      Hear hear. By playing a straight bat, and acting with deliberation (and not giving in to the strident bystanders), Bridges smoked JLR out (leading to Ross’s self immolation). Net result is JLR gone surrounded by MSM vultures. Perhaps JLR is a pawn of Slater and Lusk who both have delusions of granduer and their place in the political world. The motive for taking secret recordings over time certainly suggests some wider destructive agenda.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:14am
      - Piniwi
        
        Right trout it is also interesting that the old drunk has finally arisen like the proverbial sleeping bear being pocked with a stick. His best efforts though fall way short of his earlier attack on Simon Bridges where he hinted at so much that has “revealed” now falling so short of the target. He has shifted now to the taped conversation being racist after he can only find the race card tucked down the back of the couch. Perhaps he should have asked Ross to play him the tape when he got the “tip”? Even his limited legal experience would have seen it for what it was apart from his vast experience of how to “deal” with funding.
        
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        October 18, 2018 5:16pm
  - catwoman
    
    There was always bias on WO, but now it is almost desperate and feral.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:09am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    There’s something pretty ironic about Ardern talking about open and transparent government (and not delivering) and the petulant Ross trying to ensure that National has all its smalls publicly laundered.
    
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    October 18, 2018 2:50pm
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks flipper as we watch the increasing number of dots/dashes being exposed with every utterance revealing even more relativity of the actions of so many who have dabbled already. Unwittingly so much is falling into place as more people are piecing it together as they see through so many events where the stated reason/intention were anything but what they stated.
  
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  October 18, 2018 4:53pm
holysheet

A nervous old white taxpayer was unhappily conversing with the IRD auditor who had come to review his records. At one point the auditor exclaimed, “Mr. Carr, we feel it is a great privilege to be allowed to live and work in NZ. As a citizen you have an obligation to pay taxes, and we expect you to eagerly pay them with a smile.”
“Thank God,” returned Mr. Carr, “I thought you were going to want cash!”
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October 18, 2018 8:01am
igm

The CoL filth love this . . . another envy tax on those who worked hard and succeeded.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107854674/tax-working-group-plan-for-baches-a-wealth-tax-that-will-rob-kiwis-of-their-dream
Seems grandchildren will have property bequeathed to them earlier than anticipated.
This bunch of unelected scum must be arsed out soon!
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October 18, 2018 8:02am
- dave_c_
  
  And – I forsee a time (in the not too distant future), when everyone who owns a home, the ‘unused’ portion of land will be ‘wealth taxed’. Perhaps in an attempt to enforce sale for new ‘in-fill’ housing. Pack of envious arseholes these leftie/communists are.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:20am
- lastmanstanding
  
  It will make it into legislation. As I have said many times the TWG is tasked with designing a tax regime that will redistribute wealth.
  
  Again as the rich employ tax lawyers and accountants the new taxes like this one will fall on the middle class.
  
  The COL seek to bed in their supporter base by equalising income and capital assets.
  
  To do this they have to devise ways of taxing the middle classes on their capital assets and transfering those taxes to the poor and lower classes by way of increased benefits directly and indirectly.
  
  So those on low incomes who rent will get to rent a better house all paid for by the middle class.
  
  When the TWG Final Report in released in Feb 2019 be prepared to be shocked.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    The problem as I see it is that labour actually think everyone who works is rich and need to be bought under the welfare blanket.
    
    Adern may think she is having many “nuclear free moments” but she will find that eventually even the stupidest labour intern posting here and on all social media forums will see through and blow her arse of the Treasury benches.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:39am
    - dave_c_
      
      Indeed – Their main goal is to reduce everyone (including the rich and dwindling middle class masses) to the lowest common denominator, making them ALL totally dependent on the state. Only when this happens, will they be able to effectively control every aspect of everyones lives.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:43am
      - Colinxy
        
        Except the correct rich people like highly partisan left wing actors.
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:53am
Keeping Stock

If it wasn’t all over for Jami-Leak Ross before, it certainly is now:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/17/281200/jami-lee-ross-four-women-speak-out

I guess that’s what Bridges’ “embarrassing” comment referred to, although I think Ross is so narcissistic that nothing would embarrass him.
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October 18, 2018 8:05am
- G152
  
  Who would have guessed.
  A career politician lying
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:10am
- R
  
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  Unproven allegations and I would’ve thought MPs’ private lives might be off limits. Oh well that seems to have been cast aside for media space.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:18am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The allegations would rate as Kavanagh-like drive-bys if the events were 30 years past, and managed into the public arena by Labour. Neither is true in this instance. Let the allegations remain just that – allegations until proven.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:26am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Yes, absolute proof for these allegations (think Kavanaugh and how the press condemned him ). Hearsay not good enough. JLR maybe a lying scheming so and so, but these women need to come out and state dates, times places witnesses to where they were etc., ME TO isn’t good enough. JLR maybe destroying his public and working life, but his wife and children need more than hearsay to condemn a father and husband in their private world.
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:53am
  - Cunningham
    
    You play with fire you get burned. I have very little sympathy for JLR, he released a private conversation into the media. Yes private lives should be off limits but this whole thing is tied into the issue.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:52am
    - igm
      
      Media are actually lower than Ross, and time one or two of them suffered a bit of their own medicine.
      
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      October 18, 2018 5:18pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I wonder when Melanie Reid was going to break the story that she has apparently been working on for a year, regarding Ross?
    If I was her I would be pissed off that the timing wasn’t hers anymore and Tova is left looking stupid too.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:04am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/17/281200/jami-lee-ross-four-women-speak-out
      
      This came out four hours ago.
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:17am
      - secondcumming
        
        Who will be the first to break cover….. and seek a substantial *financial settlement*?
        
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        October 18, 2018 10:40am
    - Piniwi
      
      @ Rachael Membery perhaps not as it is unlikely it would be any bigger than it has proven being released now. It has been a big shock for other Media party scribblers who missed the main game as the concentrated on their own game. It has certainly exposed most as being party to an orchestrated attack on National through it’s leader as well as some interesting contributions from key players in the COL. It also trashed so much of their thrust based on some dodgy information they were being fed that only served to rope them in as bit players in the orchestra of just wind instruments. They have been left with only a very poor race card to play for some or the REDS under the bed for others who have yet to understand the irony of that last straw.
      It has already been revealed that the Chinese Chequebook Diplomacy has been offered to the COL that might see then COL do another 180 degree turn on PPP funding. The domestic Reds have obviously been sending the trolls out with this diversion of an internal political penetration after their original ammunition has failed to fire. It seems it was dampened by too much ejaculation to let it explode but are desperate now to avoid getting covered in too much blow back from the primer cap being so close.
      Perhaps the COL need to ask Fiji via Slater who has strong links how the smiling front door Chinese Chequebook Diplomacy system works? Seriously are the sheeple really so racist they could ever imagine how one or even two NZ citizens of Chinese heritage could ever influence a majority Government? Or would ever be inclined to try? Sorry snowflakes you really need to get to grips with the true meaning of one people. Unlike the old drunk we know two Wongs can be right and they at least understand what is good for NZ is good for all New Zealanders among who they number. Right is might.
      
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      October 18, 2018 6:00pm
  - tas
    
    R: Ross opened that subject up himself. No one mentioned anything sexual about him until he said Bridges and Bennett had threatened him with sexual harassment allegations. Of course the media are going to dig into it if he brings it up.
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:16am
- BlueGriffon
  
  This puts the leftie “MeToo” crowd in a bind doesn’t it KS!
  I see they are already sticking up for JLR on Stuff comments. Shitting on National must trump sexual harassment.
  
  That’s good to know.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    The problem is the “lefties” can’t think for themselves and get a few tips from labour HQ and just continue to harp on the same track without realising they are actually having the opposite effect.
    
    Their stupidity only strengthens the resolve of National supporters and drives the swinging voters away from them.
    
    While embarrassing, I’ll bet Simon Bridges’ personal support will have gone up when this saga being pushed by the MSM and labour HQ has ended.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:44am
    - Flash
      
      I think that this might just be the making of Bridges. He will have to weather the shots fired from both Ross and the media and there’s that old saying that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger –
      His life experience so far has been fairly secure and unchallenged, so this will ‘season’ him and give him sure knowledge of his ability to cope. He has never had to bare his teeth, and we may all be surprised when we look back at the present situation – with hind sight.
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:24am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Good of Ross to become the headline.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:05am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Lizzie Marvelly was dishing the dirt on National yesterday, especially about the “f#cking useless” comment. Clearly she has NEVER made a disparaging remark about someone in private about which she would be embarrassed if it was ever made public.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      I’m quite sure she does that every morning when she’s doing her makeup while talking to herself.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:25am
    - mark15
      
      The difference is I think no one would care…
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:27am
    - Woz
      
      Who the fuck is Lizzy Marvelly anyway?
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:34am
      - sooty
        
        I think she paints pitcures or something!
        
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        October 18, 2018 8:47pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Lots of people have used the “f**n useless” comment with regard to wee Lizzie Marvelly, but still she witters away.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:42pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    They really are in a bind.
    No comments on the Labour Party youth camp sexual abuse, or the Whaitiri bullying.
    And yet when a story breaks about a (ex) Nat MP embroiled in sexual trysts all over Wellington they decide to support the male as the victim (all as an opportunity to double-down on National, some even dragging up John Key!).
    
    What confusing souls they are.
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:36am
    - Tall Man
      
      Camp molestation where the real labour party is made….
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:36pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    Sometimes the NPCs get confused.
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:48am
- oldgolfer
  
  He’s gone.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:34am
- Harkman
  
  Eww yuck! I got to the “brutal sex” part and nearly vomited, how disgusting? Why do some women humiliate themselves? When JLR mouthed his arse off the day, I thought the guy reminds me of a background goon from the old TV shows and movies like The A-Team or Beverly Hills Cop. You know the ones in suits that Mr T would punch out.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:23am
  - secondcumming
    
    They say there’s something like 20,000 battered women out there, yet I’ve only ever eaten them plain.
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      Not really a fun subject, even for crappy lefty.
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:36pm
- niggly
  
  This also puts a new (damaging) perspective on JLR.
  
  At his press stand-up on Tuesday he was implying (to the effect) that Simon Bridges/National could have not 4, but instead 15 women speak out against him for inappropriate behavior.
  
  The way it came across from JLR, was that SB/National were “stitching” JLR up by “making up” increasing numbers of complaints by women etc.
  
  Now that I’ve read the Newsroom article and the 4 women’s horror and manipulation they were subjected to ….. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there were more than 4 women (15??) that also were manipulated by JLR, and that far from Simon Bridges threatening JLR by making up numbers (the women), that Bridges is simply stating the truth (in terms of allegations made to the National Party about JLR’s behavior).
  
  I would also say JLR certainly needs help, before things really spiral out of control for him. It’s already starting to, but the outcome is totally in his hands. But hint, his present course of action is not the correct one …
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:38am
  - harrygee
    
    The thing is: I don’t think JLR cares. People can attack him all they like because he’s going to fire off anyway with his stockpile of carefully collected dirt. I really don’t think any of what has been written everywhere so far will cause him to pause, reflect or even care too much. We’re not dealing with usual norms and the old rules of engagement anymore, and I really don’t think anyone including the media fully understands this yet.
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:55am
    - Paulus
      
      It is becoming apparent that Peters is fully supporting him and the so called media – anything to damage his hated National Party.
      But don’t worry Ardern your time is still coming.
      
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      October 18, 2018 1:56pm
      - MrsAnnie
        
        Expect to see JLR on the NZFirst 2020 List???
        
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        October 18, 2018 3:43pm
Sofia

Tapegate
The portion of the taped conversation that mentions more than one donation seems to be –

Bridges: I think that’s right. I’ll raise it with him but we should probably just think it through. I mean, it can be in the Party but I do just want to make sure we’ve got that money to do those things. Don’t you think?

Ross: Donations can only be raised two ways: Party donation or candidate donation.
Party donation has a different disclosure which is fine, and the way they’ve done it meets the disclosure requirements … it meets the requirements where it’s under the particular disclosure level because they’re a big association and there’s multiple people and multiple people make donations, so that’s all fine. But if it was a candidate donation that’d be different. So making them party donations is the way to do it. Legally though if they’re party donations they’re kind of under Greg’s name as the party secretary.

It is Ross who is the one who indicates “they’re a big association and there’s multiple people and multiple people make donations”.
If this recording is evidence of any wrong doing, isn’t it Ross who suggests the option?
What does it perhaps say of mental health, releasing a recording that actually reveals oneself as a possible culprit of what is alleged of another, or making the recording (and others, Ross says) in the first place?

But –
Jami-Lee Ross: Four women speak out
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/17/281200/jami-lee-ross-four-women-speak-out
Utter toast

Meanwhile, as ism points out, don’t miss that in the other circus ring –
Tax Working Group plan for baches a wealth tax that will rob Kiwis of their dream
Buried in the Tax Working Group (TWG) report to the Government is a concerning and ill-considered idea: deemed income.
It can only be described as a wealth tax on families who own a bach or a second home.
The proposal would introduce an annual tax, paid regardless of whether the owner has earned any income from the property or whether it increased in value.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107854674/tax-working-group-plan-for-baches-a-wealth-tax-that-will-rob-kiwis-of-their-dream
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October 18, 2018 8:05am
- KevOB
  
  Taxes on deemed income are not paid readily or easily. Land tax fell because of that.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:41am
  - Toko
    
    Yep, but I believe the lefty COL think they will get away with it now. Regular predictable tax from rich pricks, that can be increased at any time, is manna from heaven for grasping Socialists. Much better than a lumpy CGT, which relies on asset markets always going up in value, and which well off people can avoid by not selling anything. Unelected dotard Cullen can’t wait to stick it to anyone who has managed to build up a few assets for their retirement. National need to get over their internal crap and focus on the real issues.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:22am
    - sooty
      
      No balls Sullen Cullen, could not/would not bring such taexes when he was in goverment. Now that he has no accountablity he wants to tax everything he cane have a wet dream over. The question will be Taxinda, will she wont she follow thru!
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:15am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Will an Internationale-singing hard left former Socialist Youth President follow through with ‘wealth’ taxes? She can’t wait!
        
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        October 18, 2018 11:32am
- RW Capitalist
  
  If great auntie Mabel gives you a Monet on her death.
  Because you didn’t own it yesterday, but you own it today……….CGT (death duties).
  Next year it has gone up in value this will mean a GAIN therefore, even though you never sold it ie Realized that gain, you will be taxed.
  and you have no money to pay the unrealized gain, you will be forced to sell it to pay the tax.
  Country homes (stately homes) in the UK in the 60’s, they are now all either rotting away or being sold to rich Saudi’s or Russians, much to the complaint of many who voted Labour in the 60’s (in the UK) that caused this problem.
  “Those who don’t learn from the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them”
  or
  “He who learns form his own mistakes is clever, but he who learns from another’s mistakes, is a genius”.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:11am
  - Paulus
    
    The real worry is called “Unrealised Capital Gain” which is an annual hypothetical applied % gain on whatever.
    Collected with the rates bill.
    
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    October 18, 2018 1:59pm
    - KevOB
      
      Just try collecting it. Objection, consideration, appeal… Two tax years later still unresolved.
      Oh dear never mind the revenue can wait.
      
      Bring it on: a bonanza for accountants and lawyers most of whom are poorly or not trained in valuation at all.
      
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      October 18, 2018 3:56pm
- Harkman
  
  This is why Labour can never be trusted and sensible people must fight them with every ounce of energy they can muster. They will never be satisfied, they will always want more. They will always want a larger state and less individual freedom which is a function of disposable income.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:33am
  - Piniwi
    
    Unfortunately Harkman much of their wants have very quickly become needs because the unintended consequence of the limited unrealistic political moves so far. They are back to having to troll back to 2008 for anything to argue with as if the GFC coupled with their hidden debts did not have any effect. Also forgetting the massive drain from natural disasters as they hop onto to their other crutch of “9 years of neglect”. It is also funny to hear what the causes are for such wild fluctuations in Wellington’s real estate/rental markets. Public service jobs ramping up and then leveling off to finally bring some softening in the market. Perhaps. Tui moment?
    
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    October 18, 2018 6:19pm
- cmm
  
  Deemed income. Ah yes, all those little perks we get in life:
  
  Say buddy you’ve got a million dollar view from your window overlooking the bay: $300k please.
  
  And you had sex with the missus 43 times last year? Well if you got those services from a pro it would be $200 a pop. Actually, your missus is a bit of a hottie so we’ll make that $300 a pop: $4300 please.
  
  Hmmm you mowed your own lawn? That made your garden look better. We reckon you got $1000 a month worth of pleasure from doing that. $4000 please.
  
  So you like walks on the beach and went 120 times last year? That must worth $15000 to you. $5k please.
  
  Now before we add that all up, we’ve been having some cracker weather lately, how much d’ya think that’s worth?
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:27am
Huevon

The Ross saga has taken a sordid turn. Good for headlines, but let’s not ignore the fact that the Chinese Communist Party is subverting our democracy. I don’t care about it being National, eventually Labour will be outed for this too.

MPs represent New Zealand, not Beijing.(Ironically, I’m sure if Chinese political figures were outed for accepting money indirectly on behalf of a foreign power they would both be shot – this is who we are dealing with).
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- krazykiwi
  
  Agreed. I notice of all the vulnerabilities that National have on account of Ross, the one Labour are least active on appears to be the PRC influence. Their time is coming, and I wouldn’t mind betting Labour’s dirty little trotters, body and snouts are lengthwise in the trough.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:15am
  - Huevon
    
    Of course, I have no doubt Labour would sell us out for 30 pieces of silver from Peking. Only after they’ve misappropriated what they can from public funds here!
    
    NZ public are very naive about Chinese subversion. Time to wake up people.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:22am
    - Justitia
      
      I completely agree. The tape shows how easy it would be for the Chinese Communist Party’s front organisations in New Zealand to buy places in the New Zealand Parliament with the aim of influencing New Zealand policy and gathering first hand information. Was it only the other day that Bridges had his knickers in a twist over a New Zealand frigate demonstrating the right of freedom of navigation in the South China Sea because of Chinese sensitivities? No doubt just a coincidence….
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:30am
    - Inandout
      
      The Chinese make a good smokescreen against the real subverters in our society I suppose. My day to day life hasn’t been affected one iota by Chinese, hasn’t changed how my food is prepared, hasn’t demanded segregated swimming pools, hasn’t reacted to the Nativity Scene. Labour are not stupid by being anti Chinese, they use them very effectively.
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:48am
    - projectman
      
      “NZ pubic are very naive about Chinese subversion”
      
      In that regard, read this:
      
      https://www.hudson.org/events/1610-vice-president-mike-pence-s-remarks-on-the-administration-s-policy-towards-china102018
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:06am
    - projectman
      
      “NZ public are very naive about Chinese subversion”.
      
      In that context, read this or listen at You Tube link:
      
      https://www.hudson.org/events/1610-vice-president-mike-pence-s-remarks-on-the-administration-s-policy-towards-china102018
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYAHPPXmcts
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:11am
- Tall Man
  
  Good lord, give it a rest.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:22am
  - Huevon
    
    1 million people in concentration camps in China. Thousands of political dissidents executed every year. Talk to Falun Gong exiles here in NZ and open your eyes.
    
    The People’s Republic of China is morally equivalent to Nazi Germany but our politicians happily sell us out for their money.
    
    The National Party has been totally compromised, only a matter of time until Labour is exposed too.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:25am
    - Tall Man
      
      1 million people is 0.1% of the population.
      
      Our prisons hols approx 10,000 pricks at the moment which is……..0.22% so maybe we have a worse “concentration camp” record than China.
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:50am
      - timmydevo
        
        What a ridiculous statement. That 0.1% you speak of is not the Chinese prison population. To say we have a worse record of prison captivity. Dumb.
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        Timmy….the 1,000,000 figure in “concentration” camps is merely a subjective opinion. According to Andrew Little many of our prisoners should not be incacerated so therefore I am sure some dipshit organisation somewhere will regard them as “political” prisoners
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:45am
      - timmydevo
        
        Tall Man.
        
        I was wrong. I am sorry!
        
        But as for you, catching me out being wrong means you’re going down with me. I have video tape of you, and it shows you are only 5’2″. You’ve been misleading us. That isn’t tall. You’re going down.
        
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        October 18, 2018 12:45pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Yeah sorry about that timmy, I was standing in a fiscal hole when they measured me unlike many of the socialist big shots on here that measure themselves when they are standing on a pile of horse shit.
        
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        October 18, 2018 1:30pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Good lord, give it a rest’
    
    So much for open,honest debate.
    
    This Nat troll wants people to shut up about Red Chinese money.
    
    What is he afraid of , the truth?
    
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    October 18, 2018 2:20pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Ranting is not and never will be debate. Lying repeatedly is not presenting facts. Not sure why you are so full of shit and China hate but hey…Is Adern a liar?
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:40pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Perhaps you haven’t noticed how the union movement is buying seats in Labour?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:35am
  - KevOB
    
    It’s already captured leadership rights–very constitutional.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:43am
  - Inandout
    
    Or how Russia bought the post war Labour party, right up when that NZ envoy was caught meeting a KGB agent in Wellington. The Left of course screamed Sutch and Sutch was innocent.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:52am
    - G152
      
      Sadly I have but one uptick to give
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:03am
  - Tall Man
    
    Notice there is not a single labour intern reply to your comment. How can that be…no notes from labour HQ?
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:42pm
- Liberty
  
  “Chinese Communist Party is subverting our democracy.”
  What a load of twaddle and very xenophobic.
  In the 1950s you might have had a point.
  The world has moved on
  And yes China is technically communist. But the people are traders and very successful traders many have made a lot of money. An good on them.
  If they want to spend some lazy loot on in investing in houses, universities and donating to political parties. Then good on them.
  Simply no different to some rich prick in england in the 1870s investing in the colonies.
  If you are so concerned about democracy.
  Look closer at home.
  Our Current leader Comrade Ardern. Leader of the labour party which is financially
  backed by the Unions.
  What a coincidence Labour MPs is infested with union lickspittles.
  Comrade Ardern appointed by a xenophobic charlatan with a piddling 7% of the vote.
  Col have too many friends in the media for this to be shown on state news.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaESzRNMVeI
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:18am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  US-China Economic and Security Review Commission has concerns about China donating money to political parties in the Pacific, NZLP amongst them. They have reportedly discussed whether it is appropriate for NZ to remain in Five Eyes.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:27am
Paulus

Its Thursday
I am now over the scumbag called Ross.
He sounds like an excellent member of Peter’s Party as a good Maori boy who revels in his own importance just like Peters.
Had enough media machinations orchestrated by the Irish Newshub “lady’ – obviously has been one of his conquests.
Lets get back to the worse Government the country has ever seen, who are relishing the Ross saga. And their complicit media have nothing better to do to try and sell papers.
Enough of the silly Botany boy !
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October 18, 2018 8:07am
- Richard
  
  Hear! Hear!
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:43am
- VicParking
  
  Wait till friday at 4pm for the COL annoncement!!
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:50am
- Inandout
  
  The Botany Boy with the punch and grow hairline, to keep the women screaming his name.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:54am
- dubya
  
  With his pinstripes and hair grease, Ross certainly dresses and looks like a NZ First MP. Perhaps he’s a plant who’s finally blown his deep cover?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:16am
  - Piniwi
    
    But dubya he still has a control problem about which head is in charge. The little head stands to attention and says charge as the big head says which way. The confusion is perhaps is what lead him to think he had it all on tape but there might be a lot of other tapes he is not keen to hear?
    
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    October 18, 2018 6:29pm
waikatogirl

Four women have gone to the journalist Melanie Reid, with accusations against JLR, accusing him of narcissistic behaviour, targeting them for relationships of control, rages, and rough sex.

This is seriously damaging and a shame for National as it will drag out the JLR saga.
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October 18, 2018 8:09am
- DigNap15
  
  I bet those four women are now ashamed of themselves for goring with such a sleezebag
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:21am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, they say they knew what he was doing – that he was controlling, manipulative, married etc – they all knew this and yet the lure of power and perhaps status, ensured they still went with him, bought into his bullshit and subjugated themselves to him.
    This is the type of mindless behaviour that impacts on the ordinary, sincere, hard working women out there.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:31am
    - niggly
      
      Oh come on! They didn’t know he was manipulating when things started off. As some of the women said, they wanted to leave (when they worked that out) but JLR would threaten them (or simply go psycho on them). These women are in a better place now.
      
      And from what I’ve read the 4 women were loyal to National, they didn’t go running off to the media (and exaggerate things), unlike some weaselly manipulating cretin called JLR!
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:49am
      - Piniwi
        
        Thanks niggly it is very poor form to add to any problems these women have from any encounter with Ross as they battle with their emotional turmoil. Whatever their reason or motive that lead them to this situation is not up for debate as they have all been delivered a most unsavory lesson at the hands of Ross. They all surely got a lot more of what they didn’t expect for the little they got from it they might been attracted to or looking for. They are among his victims at this stage and will be better served by letting them seek out any help they need to move on.
        
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        October 18, 2018 7:04pm
    - Batman
      
      Gravel you slimeball.
      
      These are real people who’ve been abused by a nasty PoS.
      
      Shows us a lot about your attitudes when you focus on the victim and not the arsehole responsible.
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:36am
      - Random T Person
        
        Yeh well hard to become a victim if you don’t sleep with people who are married to other people, right?
        
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        October 18, 2018 11:08am
      - Pharmachick
        
        RTP – two of those women did NOT sleep with him. They claim he harassed them in the workplace pretty severely.
        
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        October 18, 2018 11:41am
  - VicParking
    
    I hear “goring” causes you to loose all forehead hair from banging it on a headboard.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  a shame for National as it will drag out the JLR saga
  
  I’m not so sure that the MSM will allow this to drag on.
  
  The JLRoss goings-on are not reflecting poorly on Simon Bridges… He is emerging as a squeaky clean operator.
  
  That’s not the way the MSM and their hench-folk were planning things, I reckon.
  
  Time for the journos to go off and dig for some other dirt.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:27am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Maggy, I believe you are right.
    
    Despite the ravings of the I-hate-Bridges crowd and the Sinophobic lot I suspect most thinking people have already moved on, Simon and Garfunkel sounds quietly in the background and the harridan is already looking for another deflection to hide it’s complete incompetence and dishonesty.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:42am
  - calendar girl
    
    Maggy, you’re probably right about the MSM’s future direction on this issue. But Simon Bridges being a ‘squeaky clean operator’ is now – for me at least – something of a stretch.
    
    In my view, his highly critical comment about one of his own MPs was one that no Leader should voice about any member of his (or her) own team. Other than in private, and directly to that person’s face. There are always better ways to deal with any perceived under-performance.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:50am
    - VicParking
      
      Spoken from under a bridge
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:55am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        another troll….surely not.
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:17am
    - dave_c_
      
      “Better ways”, like violence ?
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:20am
    - mic
      
      He did say it in private. Don’t you think that most of us have done the same thing at one time or another and if you haven’t then you’re a better person than me.
      
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      October 18, 2018 12:35pm
  - Komata
    
    Maggy
    
    Welcome back; we missed you.
    
    Hope things are OK?
    
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    October 18, 2018 12:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Goodness,
      I was only away for 10 days..
      Things are fine… I was just indulging in Melbourne’s yummy food and sunshine.
      
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      October 18, 2018 2:31pm
- wiseowl
  
  When Reid was interviewed earlier she said all these alleged affairs were consensual.
  Is it not a concern now that any woman can make accusations of this type and take down good men?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:01am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “….take down good men?”
    Not sure JLR falls into this catagory.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:46am
    - Piniwi
      
      Thanks niggly it is very poor form to add to any problems these women have from any encounter with Ross as they battle with their emotional turmoil. Whatever their reason or motive that lead them to this situation is not up for debate as they have all been delivered a most unsavory lesson at the hands of Ross. They all surely got a lot more of what they didn’t expect for the little they got from it they might been attracted to or looking for. They are among his victims at this stage and will be better served by letting them seek out any help they need to move on.
      
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      October 18, 2018 7:11pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    There is a big difference between criminal and ‘legal but revolting’.
    
    Reid was carefully not accusing JLR of committing crimes, but of being a complete arsehole once he had his slimy paws on the women for his own purposes (sexual and political).
    
    Think of any people you’ve met in life who were rude or stupid. They probably didn’t commit a crime against you, but you certainly wouldn’t want them to be in a position of power over you.
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:44am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Yes and apparently being pimped out to gather secrets.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I don’t think it will damage National too much waikatogirl. It’s pretty obvious now that Ross was a liability to the party, and now he has gone.
  
  Bridges has looked pretty strong in stand-ups over the last 48 hours. This could just be the opportunity he has been needing to affirm his leadership.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:16am
  - Muttonbird
    
    So delusional.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      Self descriptive?
      
      Is Adern a liar?
      
      Is it that hard for you to answer the question?
      
      Is Adern a liar?
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:47am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Absolutely
    MSM/Labour/NZF have failed.
    of the CoL only the greens come out even…because they largely kept their mouth shut.
    The longer this goes on, the further away from Bridges and the Party this gets.
    Makes Bridges look more and more like that painting of George Washington crossing the Delaware River, with the National party in the boat, JLR floating in the current and the soon to be defeated CoL on the other bank.
    
    NOW there’s an image for the ages.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:50am
  - Disillusioned_Voter
    
    Could be…
    
    This I’d like to see, but what happens if it’s not?
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:14am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I agree KS. Simon has handled this well as it has unfolded. He appears to have flushed out the NP’s own Benedict Arnold! I am guessing his ultimate goal was to gain that No.4 spot he believed was his, or if he really fell for WO/Lusk, the deputy or leadership position in time for the next election.
    
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    October 18, 2018 1:39pm
  - Piniwi
    
    True KS apart from attacking him he has been ignored by the Media party which also helped make him being accused of not being recognized by many voters. This is not how it would be intended to change that level of recognition but might be yet another of those unintended consequences for the COL that are more self inflicting cuts. In the absence of any negative reaction from the Media party of their sheer incompetence. It might yet prove to be the greatest own goal they ever score as they are donkey deep in this the only true show of unity they have displayed so far. On past performance all we know is the quieter the key players are the deeper they are involved.
    
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    October 18, 2018 7:23pm
- Piniwi
  
  @ waikatogirl seems they were reluctant to go to anybody such was the control level he had over them but all credit to a better quality investigative journalist who worked so hard at helping them. A mature woman with empathy as well as a special skill set that is sadly lacking in all the silly little wannabes scribbling down dictation. Not only that but any other woman who might have or more pointedly need a sympathetic ear to help them with their own struggle can still find one.
  
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  October 18, 2018 6:45pm
Left Right and Centre

Denmark, France, Germany, Austria and Belgium have all banned Muslim veils.

And so should NZ.
I can’t wait for NZ to invite more lovely ladies like Sahar Al-Faifi. Women like her will really blend in well here.
No more headscarves.
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October 18, 2018 8:10am
- DigNap15
  
  No more muslims.
  And send them all back, before they or their offspring cause problems here.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:22am
  - Inandout
    
    DN15, Jacinda is getting warm in the thighs thinking about bringing the Nauru rubbish to NZ. All fucking Muslims.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:57am
  - s.russell
    
    Yes, we really need to give the Government the power to dictate what religion people choose. Not.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:00am
    - sooty
      
      Is Australia going to require visas for all kiwis?
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:22am
- VicParking
  
  She can wear nail varnish, pluck her eye brows and did I see a bit of makeup, but offcourse that is only to please Allah.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:00am
- Jinky
  
  I would be happy to have her in this country. Articulate and intelligent woman.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:42am
BananaLlama

Mixed feelings over political correctness that surrounds frank discussion biting our ruling class in the ass. A good opportunity for National to highlight how you can’t even be candid over someones failings anymore. Bet they won’t though.
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October 18, 2018 8:11am
Tom Barker

If Ms Pugh is fucking useless, how many of her colleagues in Opposition are just plain useless?
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October 18, 2018 8:15am
- Tall Man
  
  The whole coalition for a start.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:29am
- Swifty
  
  Some, I’m sure – but not as useless as CoL members.
  
  They have been displaying their uselessness for all to see these last 12 months.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:31am
  - Harkman
    
    Phil Twyford instantly comes to mind, then Curran, Kelvin, the list would take up too much space.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:38am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Jones, well the whole NZF caucus really.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:52am
      - sooty
        
        The question should be, who would you keep!
        
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        October 18, 2018 10:24am
- KevOB
  
  Most Labour MP’s now don’t get speaking rights. I have been mightily unimpressed by their incapability. An embarrassing collection of empty headed shrieking parroting wannabes.
  
  Labour seem to be having daily coaching sessions before the attendance in the House. Member after member all use the same put down expressions on any given day; only the topic changes.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:54am
  - sooty
    
    Shame on you. You have given away their secert!
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:25am
    - KevOB
      
      Fight dirt with oil they do.
      
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      October 18, 2018 4:03pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Witless protection program?
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:13am
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

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Salaam Kiwibloggers

May Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, bless you with goodness.
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October 18, 2018 8:15am
- Justitia
  
  And Salaam to you too. Pray tell us, did you have any issues applying for your Saudi visa for Mecca? Are there some dos and don’ts one should be aware of to avoid unfortunate accidents during an over-enthusiastic interrogation perhaps?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:51am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
    
    I found the Saudi’s I had contact with on the Hajj to be just fine 🙂
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:52am
  - Inandout
    
    When Muslims bend over to pray, they just hope the one in front hasn’t been eating baked beans.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      Or the one behind you has a jar of Vicks…..
      
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      October 18, 2018 8:50pm
- KevOB
  
  How in hell can such an impossible deity bless anything? Is throwing gays of tall buildings a blessing?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:56am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Indeed. Or beating wives, as instructed in sura 4:34.
    
    And having sex with 4 wives and ‘those the right hand possesses’ – i.e. sex slaves.
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:50am
- Rachael Membery
  
  How’s that working out for Muslims in Muslim countries?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:17am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That’s why Muslims are desperate to emigrate to the west, they’re desperate to get away from all the Muslims and Islamic culture fucking up their own countries.
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:06am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Except for the fanatics who want to spread it. That’s the problem: impossible to tell which want to immigrate.
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:52am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
    
    You are as racist as Farrar!
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:07am
    - Boris Piscina
      
      I believe a ‘racist’ is what an idealistic fuckwit calls a realist.
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:08am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Islam is not a race, it’s a psychological affliction leading to mass psychosis and anti-social + misogynistic behaviour
      
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      October 18, 2018 3:13pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      How about a religiousist? I am sure you think that your religion is superior, I am entitled to believe that mine is, if that was directed at me.
      
      Is that a new word? Is it apt?
      
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      October 18, 2018 4:53pm
- Woz
  
  “May Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, bless you with goodness,” said the Saudi ambassador to Mr Khashoggi.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:37am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Before they ripped his fingers off one by one. Ouch!!!!! ?
    
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    October 18, 2018 1:48pm
artemisia

Troy Bowker’s op-ed in Stuff today points out that a proposal for an annual tax on baches is buried in the Tax Working Group’s report.

Voters will be able to see new tax proposals before the 2020 election, not counting the new levies and extensions to existing taxes which are apparently and fortuitously not new taxes.

The pool of bach owners is small in the scheme of things and many are not going to vote Labour anyway. So quite a safe new tax for Labour.

I expect new tax proposals will be sliced and diced so many voters will not recognise a specific impact, other than a reduction in tax to pay. Working out overall impact will be complex. Would it be too cynical to suggest that’s the plan?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107854674/tax-working-group-plan-for-baches-a-wealth-tax-that-will-rob-kiwis-of-their-dream
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October 18, 2018 8:16am
- dave_c_
  
  Remember – “There will be NO new taxes….”
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:22am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    George Bush senior?
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:06am
    - sooty
      
      So is the union going to buy a lot of baches for the members to enjoy? ( selected members of course)
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:29am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    … in our first term
    Said SLG optimistically.
    
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    October 18, 2018 3:04pm
secondcumming

😛 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSA 😛

SPEAKER: Question Number One……in the name of Moreen Phew.

MOREEN PHEW: “Thank you Mr Speaker. My question is the Leader of the Opposition and asks, does he stand by all his statements?”

HON. SIMON Xi : “Yes, in the context they were made.”

MOREEN PHEW: “Then does he stand by his statement, where he referred to me as ‘fucking useless’?”

SPEAKER: “Order! ORDER!! I’m on my feet.
The member will stand, withdraw, and apologise”.

MOREEN PHEW: “I withdraw and apologise”

SPEAKER: “Not YOU, ya’ useless fuckwit….SIMON!

[NB: names have been changed]
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October 18, 2018 8:16am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Is she? If she is, I guess she will lift her game.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:20am
  - sooty
    
    Or leave!
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:30am
stephieboy

After the Bridgers-Ross political meltdown and hysteria, it is time to resume normal business namely,

The Annals of White crime in New Zealand!

Revealed: Man found guilty of historical rapes is the ‘Beast of Blenheim’

“Stewart Murray Wilson, the serial rapist infamously known as the ‘Beast of Blenheim’, has been found guilty of more rapes….”

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/368794/revealed-man-found-guilty-of-historical-rapes-is-the-beast-of-blenheim
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October 18, 2018 8:16am
- Simon
  
  How do you know he isnt 1/1024 American Indian?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:25am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Why the ‘white’
  
  Wilson deserves to be shot.
  
  Dirty little pervs who use the victims of crime for point scoring and white guilt deserve a good slap upside the head.
  
  You are an embarrassment to your faith, culture and well… humanity. However I’m glad you post here regularly, it reminds me how stupid people actually are.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:40am
- Jinky
  
  Wilson should never have been released from the mental hospital he was sent to as a child. Very damaged person who has caused serious harm to a very large number of people.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Jinky
    Like Ross !
    
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    October 18, 2018 2:06pm
- Tall Man
  
  Is Adern a liar?
  
  Simple question yet to be answered by any obviously disturbed labour poster.
  
  Is Adern a liar?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:51am
oldpark

Heard the two faced hypocrite Peters on the Hoskins show talking about the $100,000 that was given to National. and more to come . Also same station Barely Sober on expected favours for donations given to a Party or its Leader.
Maybe Bridges should talk to Peters who is an authority on how to beat the system.
Peters some time ago got a Donation of $100,000 from a guy called Owen Glenn perhaps wanting a favour or two for his donation. Peters when asked about the $100,000 Donation from Glenn vehemently denied it. In fact he went on the TVNZs News channel with a massive sign that read “NO”. Subsequently it was revealed he did get the money. In fact at the time he washed the money through one of his trusts called the Spencer Trust.What a bloody indictment for a two faced Hypocrite who has the gall to even comment on National’s so called $100,000 Donation.
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October 18, 2018 8:16am
- lifesgood
  
  Peters is a narcissist just like JLR but more sly, cunning and devious. God knows how he has got away with so much over so many years.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:36am
  - Inandout
    
    He got away with it because our MSM consider MPs private lives a no go area. In the US, JLR’s sex life would have been outed years ago. It is common knowledge that Muldoon, Lange etc had ‘other’ lives, but hardly a whisper from journalists.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:05am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Because he was the first?
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:21am
  - Paulus
    
    Ross would make a good replacement for Peters shortly.
    He needs very little training.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:26am
- KevOB
  
  Whatever happened to the $158,000 that Peters got fortuitously in a previous Labour rorting season? Parliament had to ratify the payment afterwards. Where has Peters accounted for it and proof?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:05am
  - Paulus
    
    He said the $158,000 was paid to Starship Hospital.
    It was – but Starship returned it saying they would not accept it.
    So where is it ?
    The end.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:28am
- G152
  
  Or when the same erstwhile put on the pension application that he was ‘living alone’ in spite of being accompanied to the interview by his partner
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:09am
- RW Capitalist
  
  ” Owen Glenn perhaps wanting a favour or two for his donation.”
  Ambassador to some where or other, wasn’t it?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:55am
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I can’t help but feel like Jacinda Ardern is somehow responsible for the nat implosion. The bitch.
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October 18, 2018 8:22am
- Simon
  
  Who is Kiwi Blog biggest NPC?
  
  Marguess the parrot? Soyboy is probably too old and senile.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gosh, do you have some insider information about Ms Ardern’s role in this affair?
  
  Or do you often get peculiar feelings?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:32am
  - Richard
    
    If the tin foil hat comes off then Jacinda can beam her thought -wave ray into marguess. The Bitch.
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:40am
  - Paulus
    
    Nah – Ross did not compromise Ardern – she is not his type.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:29am
- Tall Man
  
  At least you got the epithet correct…..finally.
  
  Is Adern a liar?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  Ardern is very capable of wrecking stuff, but her hands are awfully full with captains calls cancelling whole industries, new taxes to increase poverty/welfare dependency, and virtue signalling in advance of her UN job application. She simply has no time to go after the nats. Sorry.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:39am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Was she fucking JLR as well? You’d know.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:41am
  - Longknives
    
    Dear God- The man may have had Mental Health issues but he isn’t that sick!…(or blind)
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:16am
- tf78
  
  marquess – I don’t think she’s that clever.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:54am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Really, is she that clever?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:22am
oldpark

Also heard Peters on Paula Bennet on her verbally attacking familes and their actitivies. It didnt stop Peters accusing one of his MPs Ex- weatherman Horan of nefarious gleaning of his mothers bank account. A massive inquiry took place by Police. Horan was completely exonerated. Sadly his good name was compromised by an allegation by Peters which turned out to be false. Peters has never heard of the glass house adage, or if he has ,seems it dosen’t apply to him. What a bloody joke.
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October 18, 2018 8:25am
kowtow

The white caucus in National will be having some interesting bbq’s this summer……..
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October 18, 2018 8:31am
- Tall Man
  
  A typical idiot’s statement.
  
  Totally irrelevant and stupid. I guess labour HQ has been a bit slow getting the “soundbite list” out to you today.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:37am
  - kowtow
    
    What instructions have you had from the United Front , comrade?
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:53am
    - itstricky
      
      S/he’s a newbie who has one line and seems to think anyone who says anything remotely anti-National is a Labour HQ plant. Obviously shoots from the hip quite a lot in real life.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:22am
      - Tall Man
        
        Shoot from the hip…..lip dipstick and seldom miss.
        
        Is Adern a liar?
        
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        October 18, 2018 9:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      You seem to have difficulty with comprehension. “Tomorrow’s school” graduate are you?
      
      Is Adern a liar.
      
      “A united front is an alliance of groups against their common enemies, figuratively evoking unification of previously separate geographic fronts and/or unification of previously separate armies into a front—the name often refers to a political and/or military struggle carried out by revolutionaries, especially in revolutionary socialism, communism or anarchism”
      
      Seems to categorise the looney lefties in my mind but there you go.
      
      Is Adern a liar?
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:57am
- Richard
  
  The only party with a large ‘white’ leadership line up is Labour. Funny that.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    As such a race expert can you explain for us outsiders how two Chinese are better than two Indians?
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:55am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Has the makings of a joke?
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:57am
    - Tall Man
      
      Whereas labour openly despise any Asian.
      
      That is why all the lefties posting today keep referring to “chinkies” and “Chinese influence”.
      
      Makes you all look so predicatable.
      
      Is Adern a liar?
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:59am
    - DigNap15
      
      I’d rather have ten Chinese than 1 Indian
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:46am
      - Woz
        
        I’ll meet your ten Chinese and raise you another ten. Indians are among the worst people to let into the country.
        
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        October 18, 2018 12:06pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Yes I prefer sweet and sour pork to a curry.
        
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        October 18, 2018 5:05pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      KT, it totally depends on the context. If they were trying to appeal to a largely Chinese constituency, then yes, Chinese MPs would probably fare better.
      
      The CoL and MSM can’t have it both ways: either we leave ethnicity totally out of it when looking for suitable candidates or yes, ethnicity is *one* factor.
      
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      October 18, 2018 12:05pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I believe you are correct
  Much laughter and frivolity
  AT LABOURS EXPENSE.
  Taxes
  Assault
  Sexual assault…camps
  circumventing “chain of command”..curran
  No promises kept (trees, houses etc)
  Unemployment up…my prediction
  Recession looming…my prediction
  Dollar falling (further)…my prediction
  Fuel prices up Diesel at $2 petrol at $3…my prediction
  Labour scrambling to find something else to attack Simon Bridges on…yes he’ll still be there
  Labour scrambling to blame someone else for their screw ups
  Labour still saying “Business owners just hate us for who WE are”…No….we hate you for what you are DOING>
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:24am
Poppa

If the allegations of women against Ross are true, whilst we may not like it, by God you have to admire the man’s stamina.

I expect more tapes to emerge over the coming days, this was just the warning shots across Bridges bows
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October 18, 2018 8:33am
- Richard
  
  I doubt it. That was the best he had. A fizzer much like the man himself.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:36am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Unless you are completely stupid.
    You fire your BIG guns first, or you just give your opponent time to put up a defense.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:28am
    - Colinxy
      
      Yes, precisely right RW.
      
      If this wasn’t JLR’s best shot, he’s about to find out his “bigger gun” won’t have the impact he desired; people will assume he’s just mouthing off and ignore him.
      
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      October 18, 2018 9:40am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Looks like a ‘fizzer’, narcissists are notoriously bad in bed, as they only think about themselves and think that everybody else should too ;.
    
    Yes I am a narcissist.
    
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    October 18, 2018 5:09pm
Richard

So Jamie Lee Ross has a ruined marriage, a ruined career and a ruined reputation. And the only person he can blame is that guy looking back at him in the mirror. Ah, sweet justice. I almost, but can’t feel sorry for him. I suggest he skip the further embarrassment and financial cost of a by-election defeat and seek new opportunities to lie, backstab, betray, manipulate and deceive overseas. I hear the Saudi’s are looking for someone like that to act as their spokesman on a few issues that have cropped up recently…..
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October 18, 2018 8:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  He’d make a great union leader, or a ‘charismatic’/happy clappy church preacher. What other roles do narcissistic sociopaths do well in?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:57am
  - Colinxy
    
    NZ First leader? Unfortunately for JLR, the seat is not vacant…
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:41am
    - Tall Man
      
      But there are times when the occupant of that seat is pretty vacant….
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:01am
      - Colinxy
        
        I doubt JLR has the mental capacity to dislodge the bottle of whiskey left behind during those absences.
        
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        October 18, 2018 10:55am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Maybe Winnie needs to “Beware the ides of March”
      or maybe even November.
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:02am
- Paulus
  
  He has a choice – join Feral Labour or NZ First but Jones would shaft him first as he doesn’t like competition.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:32am
- kowtow
  
  McCully might fit the bill.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    Irrelevant…Is Adern a liar?
    
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    October 18, 2018 8:55pm
VicParking

Red Radio can be summed up with on article in the Sports news. The article was on Ronnie O’Sullivan scoring his 15th 147 (Snooker) during his win in the second round of the English Championship. They just had to spoil it all by saying that Ronnie in a news conference (three days ago) mentioned that the venue smelt of urine. They just took the item straight from the Daily Mail without fact checking it. If they had done so they would have found he was talking about the changing rooms, only because of a leak that it now has been fixed. This scum of a Radio station needs the axe taken to it.
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October 18, 2018 8:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Unfortunately it is the way of the left as promulgated by the great “communicator” Adern..Ummm Adern.
  
  They ignore the facts and just cherry pick a statement and push it for all it’s worth.
  
  Pulitzer wouldn’t recognise the current MSM.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:03am
Felt

Slater has come out on his own blog stating that this JLR stuff is all a setup by the toxic elements of NAT and that is why he has left. Dear Slater this type of stuff happens in all organisations, people lie, cheat, manipulate. And frankly sometime you have to execute these type of people with force to get rid of them before their actions spread throughout the organisation or before those people become too influential. Slater claiming he was right to leave the Nats. Sometimes people don’t recognise that the problem is invariably themselves.
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October 18, 2018 8:50am
- Debbie
  
  So JLR completely on his own now. His so-called friends have abandoned him.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:21am
  - Paulus
    
    Not Ross’s pal WO !
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:33am
- alex Masterley
  
  Personally, I think this JLR fiasco is down to Slater and his friend Mr Lusk running around behind the scenes using JLR as the useful (and expendable) idiot for their own ends.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:24am
  - tas
    
    I don’t think Slater has that much influence. He’s just an observer like the rest of us.
    
    But he is gleeful to see Bridges under fire. Slater, like Ross, puts personal vendettas above country and party.
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:05am
    - lifesgood
      
      You would think Slater’s father would tell him to stfu. Just shows what a spineless wimp Slater senior is.
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:35am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Yes, it seemed to me that what he was allegedly doing to those women was what was being done to him in turn, there is always a bigger narcissist.
    
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    October 18, 2018 5:12pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Oh dear.
  I sense another grudge coming on for Slater.
  Surely his cupboard is sufficiently stocked by now.
  
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  October 18, 2018 3:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

HONG KONG: Now is the time to make tough decisions on future land supply | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2168518/now-time-make-tough-decisions-future-land-supply

Chief Executive Carrie Lam has offered her ideas – including large-scale reclamation; rather than dismiss these out of hand, the measures deserve careful consideration … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 18, 2018 9:09am
DJ Ward

If JLR did have sexual relations with some women, will those women be sacked for having inappropriate sexual relations with a man.
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October 18, 2018 9:16am
- Tall Man
  
  Better than being flogged like the “refugees” Adern loves would want to happen.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:05am
Manolo

Keep the invaders out.
https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Record-number-of-families-crossing-US-border-as-13314869.php
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October 18, 2018 9:31am
- MCos
  
  Out of NZ?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:41am
- stephieboy
  
  BUILD A WALL!
  
  ( PARADOY ) Donnie Trump
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVN17U3Vg34
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:44am
- Jack5
  
  Has Right-wing firebrand Ann Coulter, once called the human submachine-gun, gone rogue, turning on Trump?
  
  In the Guardian, J. Oliver Conroy takes a look at Coulter, and includes this:
  
  Coulter’s sometimes-affinity with Trump is unsurprising; in addition to a shared enthusiasm for hand sanitizer, both owe their success to a willingness to say out loud the things other people think in their heads. Those who read Coulter’s books – all have been bestsellers – and devotedly follow her media appearances love her because she articulates suspicions many Americans hold: that the media has a leftwing bias; that progressives shut down disagreement by crying racism or sexism; that neither party cares about the working class.
  
  Her audience is “a narrow band of people”, Carr [David Carr, New York Times] once observed, “who nonetheless number in the millions”.
  
  “Immigrants are great if you’re rich,” Coulter tells me. “You live in New York or LA, you get your pool cleaned. Rosa the maid cleans everything, serves, picks up the kids, makes the beds. Life is grand. But I go out to America. And I knew that immigration was an enormous effing issue that our political class – Republicans for the donor money, Democrats for the votes – was ignoring.”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/17/ann-coulter-believes-the-left-has-lost-its-mind-should-we-listen
  
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  October 18, 2018 1:17pm
  - Jack5
    
    Are there similarities in in NZ to those of America as seen by Coulter? Are the political class and the elite, focusing on GDP rather than GDP per capita, conning us that immigration can make NZ rich?
    
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    October 18, 2018 1:22pm
MCos

Tweet of the day not related to the current meltdown in NZ politics

“A handout to the rich is called an “incentive” but an incentive to the poor is called a “handout”.”
James Melville
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October 18, 2018 9:39am
- DJ Ward
  
  A handout to the rich is an investment. They will be using it to improve business and the money will eventually be returned in taxed activity. Well targeted it improves society.
  A handout to the poor is spending. Not only will the money disappear but the requirement of the incentive like having another child remains. The incentive remains, along with the reward and becomes the new normal, and spirals out of control.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:49am
- cmm
  
  “A handout to the rich is called an “incentive”
  
  Naah, it is still a handout, and all hand outs are destructive whether they be single mum welfare or $37k-per-vehicle hand outs to Tesla.
  
  There are plenty free market incentives for the rich and the poor that don’t require handouts.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:14am
waikatogirl

Melanie Reid says she has been working on JLR’s “toxic affairs” with the women for approx a year. Question, how long would Ms Reid have worked (sat) on this story? Would it have been released as soon as it had if JLR had not launched his attack on Simon, or would Melanie’s allegations have appeared just in time for the 2020 electoral cycle?
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October 18, 2018 9:44am
- stephieboy
  
  waikatogirl, a tantalizing thought!
  
  An intro to the cycle of political cynicism expediency and opportunism?
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:50am
- cha
  
  Hence the gardening leave. And when he realised just how truly fucked he was, Ross came out swinging.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:54am
- Woz
  
  I wonder if she had to go deep undercover?
  
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  October 18, 2018 12:18pm
nice option

I was chatting with some political insiders and they said that Cam Slater is fast losing credibility with his support of JLR. The guy is unhinged
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October 18, 2018 9:46am
- stephieboy
  
  “The guy is unhinged”?
  
  Reached the conclusion long, long time ago
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:51am
  - Inandout
    
    You would know plenty stephie.
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:54am
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout, never a sane moment with you!
      
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      October 18, 2018 10:51am
- alex Masterley
  
  The correct words are “…has lost all credibility…”
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:58am
- tas
  
  Does Slater have any credibility left to lose?
  
  His support for Ross just shows how bitter he is and emphasizes that he cares more for personal vendettas than about the interests of NZ and the National party.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:10am
- lifesgood
  
  Only now!!!! I would have thought that happened long ago.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:36am
- Liberty
  
  Cam lost credibility when he restricted comments to a select few.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:07am
  - Inandout
    
    Some have crept back in and behaved.
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:12am
- Batman
  
  They can’t be insiders if they’re saying Slater “is fast losing credibility.”
  
  He lost all of his credibility a long time ago. He is persona non grata to anyone sensible within National.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:39am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Not sure his support is helping Judith Collins.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:56am
- Paulus
  
  Which one is unhinged ?
  Or both together.
  
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  October 18, 2018 2:25pm
niggly

So it’s pretty clear now that JLR was one of WO’s inside sources over the years.

(Note I don’t begrudge WO having an inside source – after all all journos have their secret sources etc).

When National were in Govt JLR was their Whip and would have been privy to all sorts of goings on with MP’s and the party hierarchy.

So let’s just look at one recent example. What’s the bet that JLR knew alot about the Todd Barclay situation (including the text messages between Bill English etc)?

So then could it be possible that some of this info was fed to WO (who in turn fed it to the WinstonFirst Party (who in turn fed it to Soper) to make political mischief against National)?

Could JLR actions have been a contributing factor in the media firestorm that engulfed Bill English and National over the Barclay issue? In which WO and Winston seemed to know an outline of the details?

As the Newsroom article (about the 4 women) shows, JLR was always looking for dirt on National – it’s not something that just happened lately.

Could JLR’s (and thus WO) leaks against National, be the “background” to a lot of change within National (senior MP’s leaving way too early and National then finding themselves in Opposition due to Winston’s good fortune to be privy to so much inside knowledge? Gee I hope not but frankly who wouldn’t be surprised if it were?!
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October 18, 2018 10:12am
- cmm
  
  So Dirty Politics is real, but Hager got the wrong end of the stick?
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:31am
- Dave Mann
  
  I’ve got no time for Ross (in fact I called him a cunt on a previous thread)…. but I have to wonder about the ethics of publishing a string of smears about a man supposedly made by four anonymous and nameless women.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@news/2018/10/17/281200/jami-lee-ross-four-women-speak-out
  
  These shadowy ~~worms~~ women are all happy to describe the most minute details but they won’t identify themselves and furthermore this Melanie Reid character claims to have been ‘working on this’ for a year? How do we know that any of these accounts are not just either the figments of Melanie Reid’s or these people’s imaginations?
  
  Sure, JLR deserves to lose his career for his disloyal actions… but I think this descent into salacious and anonymous innuendo shows the degraded depths to which our society has descended.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:55am
  - cmm
    
    JLR is a sleeze, but please women, don’t play the snowflake victim line.
    
    ” Then before I knew it, I was entrapped….The woman made several attempts to leave, but was brought back each time Ross threatened to destroy her career or promised to be better.”
    
    What poor little naive petal is this? She’s shagging a cheater and she expects not to be cheated on? She’s shagging an MP trying to get some pillow talk and ends up getting used?
    
    She wanted the power as much as he did. He just out maneuvered her.
    
    She’s no more a victim than he is.
    
    If there really is anything to answer here, she should have taken it to the cops a long time ago.
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:12am
    - Inandout
      
      I will never understand the female species, nor the ‘yes’ ‘no’ Metoo movement. If you don’t want to turn it up, then don’t.
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:15am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s a funny old world , one minute the feminsists tell us wimmin’s powerful , can do anything , nek minit they’re wee petals who all need help……
        
        Who knows?
        
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        October 18, 2018 2:58pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      You’ve obviously never been in an abusive relationship cmm. My wife was in her first marriage, and it’s amazing how predatory men can rob even strong women of everything, including their self esteem.
      
      The only mistake these women made was to get involved with Ross in the first place.
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:31am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Sorry but it works both ways. Men are not the only abusers in relationships at all. Women can be manipulating, game playing, unfaithful and their behaviours can end up ruining their husbands financially and destroying their families.
        
        I’m not playing the ‘men’s rights’ card here. I’m just pointing out that there are arseholes around and it’s not just amongst the men.
        
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        October 18, 2018 11:44am
      - cmm
        
        None of them were married to him, so trying to draw a parallel with someone in a marriage is somewhat broken.
        
        “The only mistake these women made was to get involved with Ross in the first place.”. Well they did keep compounding the mistake by keeping going with it.
        
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        October 18, 2018 1:25pm
  - Jules99
    
    Could be a work of fiction for all we know. One reason the media run with unsubstantiated gossip is that they hope someone else will come forward who is prepared to put a name to their claims.
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:30am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I don’t believe that there is no substance to the claims. Duncan Garner, I felt, was very reluctant to not pummel Simon this morning, his bias would have been even more obvious to have continued on with it, when there was so much more salacious stuff with Ross.
      
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      October 18, 2018 5:28pm
- Flash
  
  I think that Ross’s demise has probably been obvious to the National party for some time, and that if he was given enough rope and he’d eventually destroy himself (politically speaking). The picture is emerging of a rather ugly character. All this nonsense has followed his suspected role as ‘the Leaker’. My theory is that that was his first lob at Bridges, probably as retaliation for not getting some preferred position, and that Bridges recognised this, and decided that he was not going to tolerate this sort of behaviour, hence the inquiry. At the time of the leak, the Police said that the Leaker was being given wrap-around help, and that the situation was under control. I think that Bridges gave him time to co-operate with treatment, but Ross’s feelings of resentment overtook him. This week a comment that interested me was that ‘Ross had been given the opportunity to get treatment BUT HAD WALKED AWAY.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:07am
  - cmm
    
    “a comment that interested me was that ‘Ross had been given the opportunity to get treatment BUT HAD WALKED AWAY.”
    
    To be expected. People with these narcissistic disorders lack self awareness/ self insight and are unable to comprehend they have a problem. Instead they think they’re fine and everyone else has a problem.
    
    I unfortunately know this stuff because my mother has this too.
    
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    October 18, 2018 1:30pm
Fletch

This whole JLR thing stinks. I don’t know how people are going to communicate candidly if they can’t talk to each other without fear of being recorded. Just imagine if Claire Curran or Meka Whaitiri had secretly recorded their conversations with Jacinda and released them. I bet you’d have had more shocking revelations that this National brouhaha.
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October 18, 2018 10:17am
- RW Capitalist
  
  In any other industry
  Curran would be fired
  Whaitiri would be arrested
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:07am
Hugh Pavletich

Now is the time to make tough decisions on future land supply | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2168518/now-time-make-tough-decisions-future-land-supply

Chief Executive Carrie Lam has offered her ideas – including large-scale reclamation; rather than dismiss these out of hand, the measures deserve careful consideration … read more via hyperlink above …
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Google search ‘Carrie Lam Housing’

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=E0HHW-OiBYi-9QPltJ7oBA&q=carrie+lam+housing&oq=carroe+lam+housing&gs_l=psy-ab.13..
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Carrie Lam – Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Lam
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http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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October 18, 2018 10:41am
Urban Redneck

Time for a major cleanout of the bloated, complacent National Party organizational wing, starting with Goodfellow. These arrogant fools still don’t believe that they lost the 2016 election.

As for the parliamentary wing: Smith, Bennett, Woodhouse, Carter, Barry, Bishop to name a few. All of them are no longer fit for purpose and need to be sent packing.

As for Bridges, seems amiable enough, but not up to it, he’s been staggering around from start to finish.
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October 18, 2018 10:46am
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe if the media actually did their job and looked at the coalition we may see that National aren’t as bad as you seem to think.
  
  Stop fawning over baby photos and toothy grins and do you job.
  
  As a dedicated labour intern you are just rehashing old soundbites as per labour HQ instructions.
  
  It makes you look dopey.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:55am
- stephieboy
  
  UR, time to start a Freedom Party of Austria. (German: Freiheitliche Partei Österreichs, FPÖ) right-wing populist and national-conservative political party?
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:55am
- DigNap15
  
  As a two ticks blue man, I’m still waiting for a refund of my small donation to National last year.
  They wasted my money on a useless ad campaign.
  Labours campaign ran rings round National. Ardern was on tv at all the right times.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:58am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They did not lose the 2016 election because there was no election in 2016.
  And the whole Jami-Lee thing is John Key’s fault because he came into National when Key was in charge.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:58am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Bishop’s been there too long?
  
  He was only elected in 2014, off the list FFS. After that he set about being the de facto MP for Hutt South so effectively that he forced the incumbent actual MP to stand aside, and then won what was considered a safe Labour seat.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:28am
- Rachael Membery
  
  2017 election?
  
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  October 18, 2018 5:31pm
DigNap15

The 4 women are not incredibly brave.
Assuming they are of legal age, and were not raped, they must have wanted to go with JLR for whatever reasons.

Its just the same wit the celebs who Rolf Harris fondled, and the women at that NZ law firm. They are all old enough and sensible enough to tell the guy to f off.

I think the women are just disgusted that they realise now that they slept with a sleezeball
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October 18, 2018 10:55am
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap, no doubt the same sentiments the women groped and others like Stormy Daniels etc!
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:58am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Except, hasn’t DJT just won a court case with Ms Daniels, and Daniels was ORDERED to pay his costs too.
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:06am
    - Inandout
      
      CNN stephie has his eyes closed to the truth.
      
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      October 18, 2018 11:23am
  - DigNap15
    
    Sorry Stephie I don’t understand your post.
    Stormy Daniels was a “professional” and took a lot of money to keep quiet!
    She would be used to men groping her!
    
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    October 18, 2018 4:59pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Oh dear.
    Stormy Daniels likes to take her clothes off for money. I know this because the next US President Michael Avenatti said so.
    She also likes shagging rich listers so she can get paid extra to shut up about it.
    Stop choking your chicken over her big tits and recognise her for being as false as they are.
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:06pm
- Fletch
  
  It’s funny how the asshole-ness of assholes seems to spill over into use and abuse of women.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:53am
tas

1. Jami-Lee Ross told the media that Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett accused him of sexual harassment.

2. When asked about this, Bennett clarified that Ross had been accused of inappropriate behaviour for a married MP.

3. Now the media have revealed that these accusations are real and provided some detailed information from the women concerned.

Of course, step 3 is not nice. We don’t like having private lives opened up and accusations are accusations. However, ultimately, Ross started it all with step 1 and the other steps are inevitable follow-ups.

Ross has only himself to blame.
I have no sympathy for him.
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October 18, 2018 11:01am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Nor me tas. Having made his bed, he now has to lie in it, figuratively and metaphorically speaking.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:25am
Hugh Pavletich

… New Zealand’s slowest learners …

QUEENSTOWN NEW ZEALAND: Average rent more than wage | Otago Daily Times Online News

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/average-rent-more-wage

Queenstown’s average weekly rent has hit a record, and is now higher than the entire take-home pay for someone earning the minimum wage.

New figures show the resort is the most expensive place to rent a house in New Zealand.

It comes as the waitlist for housing help in the resort skyrockets, prompting the head of the area’s housing trust to warn the situation may get worse. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 18, 2018 11:02am
- Flash
  
  And where are the 800 teachers going to live? Eh?
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:11am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Flash … the big question is … how do we get politicians to do what needs to be done ?
    
    Note my Monday post …
    
    NEW ZEALAND LABOUR – LED GOVERNMENT ON HOUSING: THE WASTED FIRST YEAR
    
    Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/general_debate_15_october_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2332825 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/links-15-october-2018/#comment-3203580 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/links-15-october-2018/#comment-3203583
    
    … NEW ZEALAND LABOUR – LED GOVERNMENT ON HOUSING: THE WASTED FIRST YEAR …
    
    … When will (long overdue) performance begin ? …
    
    … When is the National Opposition holding the Government to account ?…
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    Phil Twyford knows exactly what needs to be done … as he told the enviros recently …
    
    … August 2018 …
    
    Reality check for Ministers (really some … just some … asleep enviros) at environment conference | Politik
    
    http://politik.co.nz/en/content/Environment/1400/Reality-check-for-Ministers-at-environment-conference-Environmental-Defence-Society-Gary-Taylor-Phil-Twyford-David-Parker-RMA.htm
    
    … extract …
    
    … Attendees probably left last night with more questions than when they arrived as Ministers, who in Opposition had seemed sympathetic to environmental issues were left qualifying and modifying their stance on major issues.
    
    This was starkly evident in an exchange between Urban Development Minister, Phil Twyford, and the EDS CEO, Gary Taylor over urban sprawl.
    
    Twyford had set out an impassioned description of the impact of high house prices in Auckland and advocated the linking together of transport and other infrastructure and new housing developments.
    
    But he also advocated the scrapping or urban-rural limits.
    
    “We believe that we have to manage growth on the fringes of the city,” he said.
    
    “If we do not allow new land to come into the supply we will never ever fix the problem of absurdly expensive urban land.
    
    “With good investment in infrastructure and transport, with more planning, not less to create the future urban environment that we want, setting aside areas of special value and open spaces, acquiring land for transport and other infrastructure, if we then allow the city to grow we will bring down urban land prices and it is absolutely critical that we do,” he said.
    
    Twyford had proposed this when he was in Opposition but, even so, any suggestion that more rural land was going to be absorbed for housing was going to be controversial at an environmental conference.
    
    And Taylor was quick to respond.
    
    “Everything makes sense except I worry about why you need to do away with rural-urban boundaries altogether,” said Taylor.
    
    He said that giving free reign to developers seemed inconsistent with Twyford’s overall objective of having a compact city.
    
    Twyford replied that it was a question of values.
    
    “This is for us, for Labour, for our coalition government, this is fundamentally a social justice issue.
    
    “Our objective is not to build a Copenhagen of the South Pacific.
    
    “We could build a beautiful city with a whole lot of the policies we have talked about.
    
    “We could build a Vancouver of the South Pacific; beautiful but utterly unaffordable.
    
    “I’m interested in us fixing this totally dysfunctional urban land economy.
    
    “If we don’t deal with affordability we will have completely wasted the opportunity that has been given to our generation.”
    
    Twyford said the only way to deal with the affordability issue was to deal with the land price issue and that meant dealing with the artificial scarcity of land caused by the planning system and the availability of finance for infrastructure.
    
    However he didn’t dispute that the Auckland region was going to become more heavily built up.
    
    “You know what,” he said. “In two or three generations this is going to become a tri-city conurbation between Hamilton, Tauranga and Auckland whether we like it or not.” … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:47am
    - sooty
      
      Just about wore out your keyboard there hughie!
      
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      October 18, 2018 1:11pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Why would they come here for $7,000?
    Unless they come from Mumbai or Lagos.
    
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    October 18, 2018 4:56pm
MT_Tinman

I note the CoL are attempting to bail JLR out by announcing a new tax.
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October 18, 2018 11:07am
Herodotus

What JLR has done is inexcusable & indefensible, yet how do I signal to the Nat party in the by election other than voting for JLR that I have no confidence in the leader and deputy along with the current direction and poor performances of the Nats in opposition ?
If there is another way I would be open to suggestions.
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October 18, 2018 11:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Just vote labour like you always do.
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:23am
- Poppa
  
  Vote for the ACT candidate if they have one
  
  I would do just that
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:26am
  - Herodotus
    
    Act had a woman who stood for quite a few elections Lyn Murphy who spoke well. Last year the Act person got almost no support 330 votes out of 34k.
    I await the next leadership change and then everyone coming out saying the Simon wasn’t the right fit, but they keep quiet when a change is needed now !!
    https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/NZ-election-home/
    
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    October 18, 2018 12:05pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Ah so now your referencing Stuff, the dedicated neutral woman’s magazine.
      
      You must be past the bottom of the barrel to be trying that on.
      
      Apologies to any women offended by the magazine reference, I’m sure there are good ones somewhere.
      
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      October 18, 2018 1:35pm
      - Herodotus
        
        At least I supply a link ( i note the first that came up thanks to Google), to show the level of support and the level of exposure Act has in the area.
        Would it have more weight to have used these ?
        https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/2011_botany_byelection/
        https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2017/electorate-details-03.html
        By election 2011
        Electorate Number: 3 Final: Yes
        Polling Places Counted: 24 of 24 (100.0%) Votes Counted: 15,421
        Winning Candidate: ROSS, Jami-Lee (NAT) Majority: 3,972
        
        Candidates
        AL-SAADY, Hussain PIR 32
        BIGGS, Leo ALCP 61
        BRIGHT, Penny IND 128
        CAITHNESS, Robin JAMP 45
        GOH, Robert IND 31
        MURPHY, Lyn ACT 687
        ROSS, Jami-Lee NAT 8,352
        WOOD, Michael LAB 4,380
        YOUNG, Paul NCP 1,626
        YOUNG, Wayne IND 54
        
        Candidate Informals 25
        TOTAL 15,421
        
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        October 18, 2018 3:15pm
      - sooty
        
        Won’t have Penny to split the vote anymore.
        
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        October 18, 2018 8:56pm
- wiseowl
  
  Hero
  Maybe New Conservatives will put up a candidate?
  
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  October 18, 2018 12:08pm
Keeping Stock

Speaking of Maureen Pugh, she tweeted this late yesterday, but it seems to have got lost in all the other white noise:

Maureen Pugh
‏@MaureenPughNat

Govt members on the Environment Select Committee just voted down a resolution to travel to New Plymouth to hear submissions on the Crown Minerals (Petroleum) Amendment Bill. #openandtransparent/not Good try though @JonathanYoungMP

So the government members of the select committee hearing submissions into the Bill to ban new oil exploration have voted down an attempt by National to schedule hearings in Taranaki, where much of the industry is based.

This is scandalou. Not only was the timeframe for making submissions very short, but the select committee process will be truncated as well. And it seems that government MP’s are too gutless to go to the area likely to be most severely affected, and meet people face to face.

This, New Zealand, is our “most open and transparent government ever”. What an absolute affront they are to decency and democracy.
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October 18, 2018 11:22am
- Poppa
  
  Gutless is a very good description KS.
  
  I do note Cindy is very quiet about this now, rather than it being her generation’s nuclear free moment.
  
  Stupid bint
  
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  October 18, 2018 11:30am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’m bloody angry about this Poppa. As I have said before, I have two friends in Taranaki who run engineering businesses with significant contracts to the oil and gas industry. I have seen for myself the dilemma they face, with the likelihood of lost contracts, meaning lost income, meaning layoffs and possibly even closure.
    
    That the government MP’s hearing submissions into Megan Woods’ Crown Minerals (Petroleum) Amendment Bill will not even come to their area and meet with them is disgusting. Instead, after a ridiculously short select committee process, Labour, NZF and the Greens will ram this legislation through, without hearing from the very people most likely to suffer as a result.
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:39am
  - Nookin
    
    Why would she comment? JLR has just provided, free of charge, the most effective distraction that Labour could have ever dreamed.
    The media are lapping it up. In doing so, they are saying that they do not believe in confidential communications and all is fair if the story will make a name for themselves.
    Ross is and will remain a pariah. No one will ever trust him again. Even his mental break down now seems to be a fairy tale. He appears intent on stopping at nothing to wreak revenge on Bridge’s failure to deify him (JLR) within caucus. In doing so, he is showing that every principle and policy he espoused counted for nothing.
    He is a bottomfeeder of the highest order.
    
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    October 18, 2018 11:42am
DJ Ward

Next week it will be announced that all men will be required to have permission slips to have non work related conversations with women. Women will be rewarded with MSM articles if they can get a male to break the rules, published under #harrasMeToo. Prosecutions for breaches will occur in non court courts with the right to financially punish and ban from employment. Perjury by women will follow Family Court principles. Beyond reasonable doubt will be ignored completely and on the balance of probabilities will be replaced by proven to be innocent. All laws will follow rape law principles with it becoming impossible for females to offend or be responsible for there actions.

Note: The HRC ruled that issues of paternity fraud cannot be addressed as it interferes in women’s “right” to have affairs. So genuine criminal offending can’t be addressed due to the need to protect JLR like women.
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October 18, 2018 11:32am
453mm

I think Bridges made a mistake to apologise about what he said about Pugh. Maybe he might apologise about the choice of words, but not the message.
He presumably has good reasons to think she is fucking useless. He should have stated those reasons publicly. By apologising he has sent the message that he doesn’t mean everything he says. That doesn’t inspire confidence.
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October 18, 2018 11:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I am just delighted that the word fuck is in his vocabulary. Makes him seem far less prim.
  
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  October 18, 2018 2:44pm
dime

Maureen Pugh – she does look fucking uesless.

According to the small amount of info on her wiki page, she doesn’t believe in pharmaceutical drugs.

It attitudes like that that lead to wrong sounding muppets and no innovation at apple!
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October 18, 2018 11:38am
- DigNap15
  
  The worst thing is that Simon apologised.
  Was he apologizing for swearing
  Or calling her useless!
  
  We all know people around us that are useless!
  
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  October 18, 2018 4:54pm
Steve (North Shore)

With the MSM all over National, Bridges and Ross, creating a smokescreen, there is one thing the MSM are not doing. Keeping Tabs on Taxinda. What is she up to? what dodgy shit is she preparing?
Guess we will find out at 4pm tomorrow. Long weekend, people away – it will be buried
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October 18, 2018 12:20pm
- itstricky
  
  Funny how you’ve ignored the Friday afternoon news for nine years and then for the past nine month’s everyone’s into it.
  
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  October 18, 2018 2:24pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    What makes you think I’ve ignored it?. The past 9 months the lies come out Friday afternoons, I know it and you know it. H1 and H2 knew Friday afternoons was the perfect time to dump shit.
    Try not to be so cute, it’s most unbecoming of you
    
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    October 18, 2018 3:07pm
    - itstricky
      
      H1 and H2 knew Friday afternoons was the perfect time to dump shit.
      
      Every politician & party use Friday afternoons (or equivalent). That’s my point. Ignore them for 9 years, then suddenly become interested in them? That’s “cute”.
      
      Or do you think John Key’s shit don’t stink?
      
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      October 18, 2018 7:20pm
      - starboard
        
        Still have a fascination with JK eh ..
        do keep up, Key has left the building.
        
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        October 18, 2018 8:57pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  They always know but choose not to print it, unless they have absolutely nothing else, they have copy with the Ross saga, so they do not even have to pretend not to publish the myriad of negatives about Labour.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:04pm
m@tt

The party is bigger than Simon and Paula. They should both bow out cleanly and quickly so others can draw a line under this sorry episode.
It might not be fair to Simon and Paula, but who said politics was fair.
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October 18, 2018 1:50pm
Fletch

Mike Hosking: Jami-Lee Ross a ‘duplicitous, dishonest, conniving, feral little scumbag’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12144416
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October 18, 2018 2:24pm
- itstricky
  
  He’s not holding back on who’s side he’s on then. Called him a ‘jihadist’ the other day. Steady on, Mike! You’ll do yourself an hernia!
  
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  October 18, 2018 2:25pm
  - starboard
    
    “You’ll do yourself an hernia!”
    
    Grammar, bro..
    
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    October 18, 2018 9:52pm
- DigNap15
  
  Some great words there!
  I’ll add them to my dictionary
  
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  October 18, 2018 4:52pm
ex-golfer

If we needed any more proof that Winston Peters is a complete wanker it was on full display in question time today.

Maureen Pugh had some supplementary questions.

When she was finished Peters moved a Point of Order that Pugh be allowed more questions to enable her to prove how useful she is.

Mallard refused a Point of Order from Pugh for Peters to withdraw and apologise, despite her stating she took offense.

Will Marvelly, Mau and crew be calling out Peter’s actions?
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October 18, 2018 3:04pm
- gorse
  
  He is an arrogant prat. He will be a has been after the 2020 election. His political career has been a failure, he just hadn’t realised that yet.
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:24pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I watched him making irrelevant smart arse comments in the house this week that serve no purpose other than to disrupt and decided he’s Stephieboy’s alter ego.
  
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  October 18, 2018 10:18pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12058818

Every major NZ party in bed with CCP.
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October 18, 2018 3:11pm
- Tall Man
  
  That can’t be right, the interns have been claiming all day that only National take money from China.
  
  We all know that Adern wouldn’t lie, she’ll tell you.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It cost $1.8M to install the Island Bay cycleway..

It’s going to cost $10M to fix this balls-up.
https://www.thewellingtonapp.co.nz/news/suburbs/southern-suburbs/island-bay-cycleway-repair-may-cost-10m/
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October 18, 2018 3:22pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Another typical Wellington City Council vanity project balls up.
  
  And another one last week will go the same way………the new sport among boy-racers in Wellington is to see who can lay the biggest black tire-skid along the rainbow crossing at Cuba Mall.
  How much is the regular maintenance of the vanity crossing going to cost ratepayers?
  
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  October 18, 2018 3:34pm
ex-golfer

Here’s the burn of the day from Chris Finlayson on Facebook:

“I am humbled by Winston Peters assessment of me as the “greatest legal mind the Commonwealth has ever seen” on nzherald.co.nz. That is high praise indeed from someone who never got any further in the law than being a staff solicitor in a Howick Law Firm.

If ever he needs me to act for him in, for example, a hearing in the Privileges Committee, he has only to ask.”
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October 18, 2018 4:22pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Brilliant!
  
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  October 18, 2018 4:48pm
- waikatogirl
  
  ? ? ? ? ??
  
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  October 18, 2018 6:32pm
MrTips

Lol. JLR just went even worse. He’s just released texts that implicate him as being the person required to get the names of the donors.

Make it stop …..
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October 18, 2018 4:46pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Bob Dylan being prophetic:
  
  My my, hey hey
  Rock and roll is here to stay
  It’s better to burn out
  Than to fade away
  My my, hey hey.
  
  Out of the blue
  and into the black
  They give you this,
  but you pay for that
  And once you’re gone,
  you can never come back
  When you’re out of the blue
  and into the black.
  
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  October 18, 2018 4:52pm
  - Longknives
    
    Sure that’s Bob Dylan?
    
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    October 18, 2018 4:56pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      No, it’s Neil Young … but my edit function screwed up!
      
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      October 18, 2018 4:59pm
      - Longknives
        
        Hey Hey My My is much better than My My Hey Hey (which I find a bit depressing)
        It has electric guitars, cool feedback and serious balls…
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331kyZ9OXMc
        
        “The King is gone but he’s not forgotten..”
        
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        October 18, 2018 6:22pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      I had to do a double take but it ain’t Kenny Wayne Shepherds all time classic blue on black. Neil Young perhaps?
      
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      October 18, 2018 5:00pm
Inandout

So the filthy Democratic state of California has a typhus outbreak among the tent cities that litter Los Angeles. The home of Google etc is turning into a cesspit, residents are fleeing and taxes are on the increase. Illegal immigrants are heading to California because they don’t believe in ICE or migrant laws. This couldn’t have happened at a better time with elections coming up and California NIMBYs voting soon. No wonder Republican representatives are being targeted by Soros, he is desperate.
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October 18, 2018 5:22pm
- Komata
  
  Inandout
  
  Fear not, Aunty Maxine is so concerned for the health of her constituents that she will divert some of her milions to the eradication process and open her home as a hospital.
  
  Well, actually she won’t will she? Instead she’ll blame President Trump and add that to her reasons to impeach him.
  
  Concern for the Lower Orders? Only when they don’t ask awkward questions or expect her to keep her promises
  
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  October 18, 2018 9:43pm
The Heat

One of these things is not like the other:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/rachel-mckinnon-becomes-first-transgender-woman-win-track-world-title-397473

Could this be the beginning of the end of womens sport?
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October 18, 2018 5:29pm
- Inandout
  
  And the beginning of the end for the Olympics.
  
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  October 18, 2018 5:44pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  We can have the special special Olympics?
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:09pm
nasska

Henry Kissinger is quoted as having said in 1973 that “power is the ultimate aphrodisiac”. To paraphrase, “being an MP attracts gash”.

We learnt that today that it is no less true when JLR was outed as a BDSM daddy.
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October 18, 2018 8:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I seem to have missed the gene that finds Politicos attractive.
  
  These MP chaps seem to haunt corridors and committee rooms and are imbued with a sallow hue.
  
  I can’t imagine that they are much fun.
  
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  October 18, 2018 8:19pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    I can’t imagine that they [MP chaps] are much fun.
    
    Apparently they know how to play. Just ask David Benson-Pope and Darren Hughes! Oh yes, speaking of players, Dover Samuels also deserves a (dis)honourable mention for services to water sports in hotel corridors!
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:18pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    They are also so self-absorbed I can’t imagine any of them being much ‘fun’.
    I think most of them would shout out their own names!
    
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    October 18, 2018 10:22pm
KevinH

This is a tragedy unfolding before our eyes, a young man who has had a rapid career rise and now a spectacular fall from grace.
It is excruciating to witness, almost unbearable, and most certainly not amusing in any sense.
Thankfully the government has had the wisdom not to make capital from what is obviously an incoherent narrative, a distorted compilation of deception from a young man who when confronted with his actions has broken down in a very public way.
For the young man in question I hope very much that he takes stock of his situation, there is no benefit in his actions, it is time to stop and time to take leave and rebuild in a positive way.
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October 18, 2018 10:42pm
Jack5

Anyone come across on the web Don Brash’s speech at Massey University, finally delivered yesterday?

After all the fuss, hearing a recorded version of it would be interesting.

You would think after all the controversy, someone would have recorded it and posted it somewhere on the internet.

Radio NZ merely has this mention and extract:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018667285/don-brash-denies-he-s-racist-as-speech-goes-ahead
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October 18, 2018 10:48pm
mikenmildagain

No 7.00 am update from DPF on the latest spin on the Jami-Lee Ross et al show?
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- tas
  
  I suspect DPF is quite busy with media appearances and running polling/focus groups to gauge the public reaction to this disaster, plus being a parent.
  
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