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duggledog

Who said good comedy doesn’t exist in New Zealand?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/107818513/jono-and-ben-over-up-to-25-people-including-guy-williams-alice-snedden-could-lose-jobs

Alice Snedden, Guy Williams and most of this cabal are devoted Jacinda fans. (Williams is especially devoted to a certain Green MP) Indeed another one of their number is the woman who said she would like to have Simon Bridges’ baby so she could abort it.

Snedden says ‘it would be a huge mistake if there wasn’t a place like this for young comedians, a place that trains them up so they know how to work for TV’

Now that is funny.

‘How to work for TV’ You mean, ‘write lame gags for a show that consistently fails, yet costs a fortune in state sponsored funding, paid for mostly by productive people who they castigate at every opportunity?’

Even funnier, Snedden and Williams both say they will move offshore for comedy work. LOL. Best of luck.
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October 14, 2018 8:01am
- DigNap15
  
  No, it is sad that we cannot afford to fund local comedy shows, or any drama.
  This is due to our small population, and another reason we need many more good people here.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:05am
  - Prince
    
    Also, we need some local comedy shows – not the drivel DD describes so well above.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:09am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      We have the CoL Isn’t that just one big comedy?
      
      McPhail and Gadsby would have a ball.
      
      A finance minister who can’t count. A spineless PM who thinks like a 13yr old. A deputy PM who is all out for himself. An open and transparent government anyone?
      
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      October 14, 2018 8:51am
  - G152
    
    We have the COL. We do not require any more comedy acts.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:17am
  - Happychappy
    
    Billy T was funny these clowns are novices compared to him.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:32am
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh, we need more homegrown comedy in the mold of Billy T, Gliding On, Letter to Blanchy, McPhail and Gatsby, etc.
      
      What passes for comedy these days would make a billy goat puke.
      
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      October 14, 2018 10:58am
  - kevn
    
    @Dig… We have plenty of clowns involved with the coalition of losers and liars.
    Entertaining us in a bad way though.
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Well, we don’t need any shows funded by the taxpayer. People with great ideas can cheaply make videos for youtube and develop a following there. If advertisers want to help fund them, fine.
    
    Actually, do we still need TV in NZ at all?
    
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    October 14, 2018 4:22pm
- stephieboy
  
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  We get lame, limp rabid right gags and humour on KB posts every day. With” comedy gold” Holyturd leading the charge most days
  
  What are you missing?
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:18am
  - holysheet
    
    It is well known that those with inferior intelligence are intimidated and resentful of those with superior intelligence.
    Hence the Muslim hatred of pigs.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:22am
    - G152
      
      And dogs !
      
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      October 14, 2018 9:04am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Don’t forget the gayboys and bikinis!
        
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        October 14, 2018 9:33am
  - Swifty
    
    Nothing, especially when we also get to laugh at you everyday.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:23am
  - sooty
    
    We are certainly not missing the loon.
    We have you, stephie.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:26am
  - pentwig
    
    so early stupidboy
    kicked out of church?
    no service at the local cafe?
    steffienomates
    LOL
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:11am
    - igm
      
      Pent: No, he hit his head on the floor praying to his paedo deity and Imam told him he must not make a mess.
      
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      October 14, 2018 9:15am
  - Harkman
    
    See when your nasty posts disappear, I tick the thumbs down before I’ve read the actual post. How discriminatory of me ?oh well.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:21am
  - Nukuleka
    
    If you dislike kb so much then don’t waste your time visiting the site, steffie. Simple.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:45am
- Justitia
  
  Most contemporary New Zealand self-styled “comedians” are boring leftist twats.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:30am
- Longknives
  
  Have Alice Snedden and Guy Williams ever considered that maybe if their material was, you know, actually FUNNY then people might consider watching the show??
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:44am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  God does exist.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:11am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Never watched it, the shorts certainly didn’t tempt me either. I doubt they were funny.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:14am
- Woz
  
  Please move, Guy! Please! And take your Golly with you.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:19am
- kevn
  
  @Dugg… Golly, williams (who isn’t funny) who wooda thort. Overseas bound then and take your lady friend. Please.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:24am
  - Viking2
    
    Unlikely. He will be just like all the yankee actors that were going to emigrate. when trump was voted in. Did any?
    I see tailor Swift has now joined them in bagging trump. leaned on by the actors guild or Some studio no doubt.
    Sad when people can’t think for them selves.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:39am
- Harkman
  
  “Snedden and Williams both say they will move offshore for comedy work” Ha finally they produce a joke that is funny.
  
  As we all know Guy Williams is the incumbent “Moron of the year.” However he is facing stiff competition to retain his title this year. There is a real dark horse emerging in the form of Kelvin Davis, who is truly moronic. Then there is Phil Twyford, the master of being a twat and a real life buffoon. As is always the case Williams, will face a stern challenge from John Minto, who to morons is known as the “GOAT” and is desperate to win back the title.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:30am
- secondcumming
  
  Knock, Knock
  
  Who’s there?
  
  Grandad
  
  QUICK, OPEN THE COFFIN!!
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:25am
- skyblue
  
  Re William’s, SNL are always looking for halfwit comedians..
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:36am
- The Heat
  
  “Snedden and Williams both say they will move offshore for comedy work. LOL. Best of luck.”
  
  Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahha. Now *that* is genuinely funny.
  
  Given the level of competition, might I suggest learning how to say “would you like fries with that” using various accents.
  
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  October 14, 2018 11:20am
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe a givealittle page to help them out as in right out?
  
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  October 14, 2018 12:17pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Everyone on the telly thinks they are a comedian these days.
  I just saw Commie Dan describe SLGs statements about petrol prices as – smart political savvy.
  NFOCL, then hit the red switch.
  If Dan had a shred of credibility left he just p*d it away with that piece of stupid.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:43pm
AgainstTheFlow

Just how bad is the Ardern ban on oil and gas exploration?

Very bad, according to the Genesis Energy CEO.

I was at the shareholder’s meeting last week and the CEO made these comments. The speech is on the Genesis website.
“..our view is that by introducing significant uncertainty over gas supplies in the 2030’s it becomes much harder to remove coal from the electricity system.

“Removing the supply of local gas will make it harder to replace Coal in the electricity system. “

The CEO also talked about how using coal and eventually gas enables the use of so much hydroelectricity by ensuring a continuous electricity supply. And importing gas will mean more expensive prices for consumers.

What a loser of a policy.
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October 14, 2018 8:02am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  But it wasn’t policy. It was a captains call by Miss Thicky.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:11am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes how can we have rule by prime ministerial decree in New Zealand.
    Surely these things must go before Parliament!
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:20am
    - marleybob
      
      In other parts of the world she would be called a dictator.
      
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      October 14, 2018 8:46am
      - Tall Man
        
        Here she’s just a Dick…..
        
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        October 14, 2018 12:19pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Jahcinduh binks
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:07am
    - dubya
      
      Bints*
      
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      October 14, 2018 11:35am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Well, what did the drunken dwarf do to stop that? why blame Tooth Fairy alone?
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:18am
  - kevn
    
    @Crumb… Was just a JA UN timed captains call.
    Sorry NZ?
    Nah
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:26am
  - freethinker
    
    Taxinda has now morphed into “The Gob”
    
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    October 14, 2018 10:29am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Worse than that. How are all the BEVs going to be powered. Cant use coal. Cant use gas. Cant use oil. Wind and solar only work within tight defined parameters.
  
  If you dont have a reliable source of power in sufficient quantities your BEV wont be going anywhere.
  
  DUH!!!!!!!
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:29am
- Fletch
  
  A friend of mine was at work and saw some guys from a gas company replacing cylinders and asked them how long the current gas supply would last. They told my friend around 12 years.
  
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  October 14, 2018 11:01am
Chuck Bird

This moron is ignoring the human cost to the victims of adopting Little’s catch and release policy.

Paul Little: Criminal Justice Summit budget dwarfed by $1.3 billion cost of running prisons

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12140906
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October 14, 2018 8:05am
- Longknives
  
  Idiot.
  There will be a fucking bloodbath in New Zealand if Labour are allowed to close all prisons…
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:45am
  - kevn
    
    @Long.. Outwork to China… ideal solution for the tough guy inmates.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:27am
  - Viking2
    
    New one started in Otorohanga.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/107623271/otorohanga-may-get-a-300person-workers-camp-for-prison-builders
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:44am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Suppose it happens.
  $1.3 billion on prisons
  Assume he’s not talking about closing them all.
  (Q: How many unemployed prison guards and prisoners will we be paying the dole to?)
  How much saving is he talking?
  If we let out 30% (as is angry andy’s policy) will we reduce the number of prisons?
  Reduce the No. of officers? (what does the union say about that?)
  Reduce maintenance cost?
  Where will the “saving” come from?
  Will crime increase? Requiring more police officers?
  So many questions, not asked or answered.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:57am
Notsofast

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It is remarkable that people so happily accept the New Zealand way of doing murder trials. Let us consider that Arthur Thomas, Teina Pora and Mark Lundy have had two trials and two failed appeals each. We are powerless to do much while juries are fed false facts, but the appeal courts are usually furnished with corrections to these facts with close reasoning, yet 3 or 5 appeal court judges see their function so closely aligned with affirming the jury verdicts, the results stand, and a few decades in jail follow.

Add in David Tamihere, George Gwaze and Rex Haig, with their failed appeals, and it starts looking like serial carelessness.

Just 3 cases that did get to the privy council were determined to be miscarriages of justice, Pora, Bain and Lundy, and should have stopped right there, but undeterred, people that should know better badgered away with Bain and Lundy, with the extraordinary mess that follows.

No one cares, yet the collateral damage is huge, most people don’t notice, and relatives are rewarded financially, particularly in Thomas Bain and Lundy.

Internationally this is true in the cases of Jeremy Bamber and Russ Faria. The killer of the latter’s wife got the insurance money and went on to kill her own mother and one more man. This became a step too far for authority and she faces the death penalty. Jeremy Bamber languishes in jail on a full life tariff, in a miscarriage resembling those in NZ I have listed above, and a cousin living in White House Farm

Lawyers are unfit to handle murder cases, scientists. mathematicians and logicians must be called to the task.

All the alleged villains I have named above are innocent beyond any doubt at all, and other facts cited are unassailable. There are others that need a little more research. How about recognising this is a general debate, and responding accordingly on a day of gentle rest.
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October 14, 2018 8:06am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  My lawyer said it is hard to get an appeal to over-turn a conviction because of NZ’s small size.
  
  All the Judges know each other, and overturning a decision is seen as implicit criticism of the trial judge.
  
  And no one likes a critic. The playground gets lonely.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:14am
  - Notsofast
    
    Yes, and of course London has the neutral motiuve, and in deed a fatherly approach to these New Zealand lawyers who have floated to the “top”.
    Thanks Helen.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:26am
    - peterwn
      
      The UK Government itself wanted to do away with appeals from ex colonies to the Privy Council. So even if the NZ Government had not forced the issue, the UK Government probably would have.
      In the David Bain case –
      1. The Government specifically asked the Court of Appeal to review the evidence together with evidence etc not considered at the original trial. This is usually not the Appeal Court’s function. This would be the nearest thing to an evidence review group now being proposed. The Court affirmed the evidence as considered was sufficient to support a conviction. Even though there were issues with evidence in the original trial, the Court did not consider a retrial was appropriate as some years had elapsed since the original trial.
      2. The Privy Council judges took a much more philosophical approach and ruled there should be a retrial even though there would be difficulties.
      
      So which approach was correct? Did the Appeal judges get it wrong, or did they make a pragmatic decision. Were the Law Lords on the Privy Council Judicial Committee ‘correct’ as such or did they take an excessively philosophical approach in considering a retrial was necessary. There are pro’s and con’s for either approach – neither IMO was ‘wrong’. So the judges cannot be criticised on this score.
      
      Indeed the proposed evidence review group would basically carry out the same sort of exercise as the Appeal judges did in the David Bain case. OK, such a group would have people drawn from outside the judiciary (and presumably legal profession). Would such a group have decided differently from the Appeal judges. Probably not.
      
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      October 14, 2018 9:17am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        The problem is the definition of new evidence. I believe common sense should trump procedure. Let us for forget about Bain and Lundy. Is there anyone here on Kiwiblog who think Peter Ellis is guilty of the crimes he was convicted of?
        
        Why has not one political leader got justice for Ellis? Is Little going to be the one? I asked Simon Bridge’s in person and he could not give me a straight answer.
        
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        October 14, 2018 10:05am
      - Notsofast
        
        Chuck, Don Brash is the person to talk to. He said he formed his opinion from reading Lynley Hood’s book. The petition he subsequently promoted was signed by Judith Collins before she became justice minister, but of course that juvenile trash heap would fall into line with John Key, who no doubt wanted no distraction from his front running enterprise.
        
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        October 14, 2018 10:16am
      - starboard
        
        Agree 100% regarding Peter Ellis. None of the filth in Wellington have the knads to do anything about it.
        
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        October 14, 2018 12:51pm
      - peterwn
        
        Chuck – in the David Bain case the appeal judges looked at all evidence including evidence ruled as inadmissible. The Crown invited the judges to rule some new evidence as inadmissible, but the judges declined, indicating they were capable of deciding the relevance etc of evidence, unlike a jury situation where care is taken not to place inadmissible evidence in front of a jury.
        Presumably any future evidence review panel will be able to consider all evidence, admissible or late or not since they would be better placed to downplay problematical evidence if need be.
        
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        October 14, 2018 2:00pm
  - Nookin
    
    I have yet to see any reluctance in a superior court to overturn another jusdge’s decision because they are mates or know each other. I suggest you go to Judicial Decisions Online and read the CA and SC decisions and make your own assessment as to the percentage of cases over turned.
    
    Notsofast: your extravagent and unremitting pronouncements do any case that you may have a complete diservice. You base your theses on the fundamental premise that you are absolutely correct and everyone else is a moron, dishonest, apathetic or part of a conspiracy. You need to learn that such an approach doesn’t work with thinking people. Nothing is ever as cut and dried as you make out.
    
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    October 14, 2018 10:15am
    - Notsofast
      
      These cases are cut and dried Nookin. This message board is an echo chamber tragically misused. The gentle touch is not working, you know that, I have not a scrap of skin in the game, so how well or badly I communicate is of no account.
      But I appreciate your advice is probably good in parts. Thank you.
      The published work of Cooper j is regurgitation of the old evidence, I can’t believe you might be comfortable with caging a fellow honest non violent citizen.
      The good news if any is that this verdict has no chance of standing, and a bunch of judges will have cause to reflect.
      
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      October 14, 2018 10:23am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      ” Nothing is ever as cut and dried as you make out”
      
      One case that is cut and dried is Peter Ellis.
      
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      October 14, 2018 11:06am
    - peterwn
      
      There has even been cases where a District judge’s decision overturned on appeal by the High Court, then appealed to the Appeal Court who reinstated the District judge’s decision for the reasons originally given by a District judge.
      Similarly ‘general purpose’ High Court judges have overturned Family Court decisions when the Family judges would have a better understanding of family law than their High Court counterparts (IMO the Court of Appeal should consider such appeals).
      
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      October 14, 2018 2:09pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Just can’t take you seriously when you have Bain and Lundy in your list.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:15am
  - Notsofast
    
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    You must. I have researched those case ljke the others to the finest detail and can answer the questions.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:20am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      I trust your opinion over the experts as much as I trust Megan Woods.
      
      How would a mathematician and logician reach a different result? Based on facts not guesstimates? Remembering this isn’t climate science.
      
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      October 14, 2018 8:28am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Actually, I trust Megan Woods’ opinion slightly more. Notsofast has invested so much of his emotional energy in trying to prove Lundy is not a callous double-murderer that he has lost any semblance of objectivity.
        
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        October 14, 2018 10:14am
    - stephieboy
      
      Notsofast, like David’s bloody socks and his Dad’s clean ones ( no blood whatsoever ), proof that Dad typed the computer message, none of Dad’s fingerprints on his son’s rifle, None of the family’s DNA on Robin’s clothes or person etc, etc???
      
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      October 14, 2018 8:49am
      - Harkman
        
        This is the only logical thing I have ever seen you post. If only it wasn’t a one off.
        
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        October 14, 2018 9:35am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Not to mention Robin’s full bladder. There is no way I could, at my age, kill my family first thing in the morning before I had been for a pee.
        
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        October 14, 2018 10:15am
  - stephieboy
    
    Agreed and you can add Bamber. A good dose of common sense demonstrates Lundy and Bamber are guilty as charged!
    
    Logic and common sense also suggest’s Robin Bain is definitely not!
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:40am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Have to agree about the Privy Council though. But it is a misnomer that the words ‘miscarriage of justice’ equals innocent, there are no degrees of ‘miscarriage’, and the smallest thing, that would have no bearing on outcome, can be described as such.
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:03am
    - Notsofast
      
      It is coincident that the three cases referred there are actual miscarriages of justice because the 3 accused are innocent. 3 different outcomes followed, and it is indeed possible that the miscarriage can occur with a guilty party being convicted for the wrong reasons.
      
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      October 14, 2018 11:33am
- Swifty
  
  Bain killed his family.
  
  Lundy too. With an axe.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:19am
  - Notsofast
    
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    Totally false Swifty, look hard at the evidence. Both cases involved alleged careful planning. The plans are daft if you consider them from the perpetrator point of view, there would have been better ways, and that is just one facet to consider.
    
    Robin Bain might get up early and call the police, someone might spot Lundy returning to a motel unit at 5 30 to 6 am. You do not expose yourself to these risks.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:24am
    - Swifty
      
      Rubbish. There is always risk in murder.
      
      Every murderer I’ve known (except one) has made mistake after mistake in their crimes – and which are most apparent after the event i.e in the cold light of day.
      
      You say ‘look hard at the evidence’. This is why you’re not taken seriously on here. Much cold hard evidence pointing to David, none pointing to Robin, just speculation as you’ve repeated here today.
      
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      October 14, 2018 8:33am
      - Notsofast
        
        The point remains, David Bain could never expect to get away with it if he did it, he would have made a mistake that stuck. He didn’t do it.
        The same is true of Lundy. He was in Petone, David was on a paper round.
        These used to be called alibis in the good old days.
        All the forecourt cameras were checked for Mark’s car between Petone and Palmerston North. These point on to the road for driveaway petrol theft, and see every passing car, but Mark’s car was not seen because it never left Petone.
        Cast iron alibi, but the police fooled the jury. They were hoaxed.
        
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        October 14, 2018 11:38am
      - Swifty
        
        You’re right, Bain made mistakes that stuck.
        
        But you say because he never could have gotten away with it – therefore he must be innocent?
        
        Don’t you realise how ridiculous that sounds?
        
        Overwhelmingly the physical evidence points to David. None points to Robin.
        
        As for Lundy, bit of a bummer having your wife’s brain matter on your shirt. Rather unlucky for a such a wonderful man just innocently killing time with hookers.
        
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        October 14, 2018 1:37pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Hmmmm alleged careful planning by someone who is so fucked in the head they are killing their own family… might not be so careful, logical or smart when considered retrospectively
      
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      October 14, 2018 8:38am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Or not as clever as they thought they were.
        
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        October 14, 2018 11:10am
    - Longknives
      
      Bain, Lundy and Watson.
      
      All Guiltier than a Puppy sitting next to a pile of poo….
      
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      October 14, 2018 8:55am
  - Viking2
    
    I don’t believe so and nor did his father.
    The third person was never fingered.
    Too many connections.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:47am
- VicParking
  
  You wont need to go No2’s for a week after that
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:27am
lifesgood

You seem to have a very serious problem, get help.
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October 14, 2018 8:08am
- Notsofast
  
  I stand by everything I write on this board. I need help to correct the public record in these cases.
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:02am
duggledog

I have yet to see three more obvious cases of guilt than Bain, Tamihere and Lundy
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October 14, 2018 8:11am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I have an open mind in regard Tamihere. I also am not happy the way jailhouse witnesses are used.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:32am
  - Harriet
    
    Tamihere had form. He was also a hunter. His family and/or connections had items belonging to the victims from memory. All just like that other jail house inmate – Ivan Milat.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:15am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Harriet, Having form does not make guilty. I believe you are referring to the watch that was later found on the body of the man who was murdered. I am not saying Tamihere is innocent but that he may be innocent.
      
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      October 14, 2018 9:21am
      - Harriet
        
        Fair enough, but sitting in native bush for a couple of months and probably resenting people of one kind or another and other matters like future opportunity, and all while out hunting and living at sustenance level far away from civil society – and then she wonders on in, and with a young white boy?
        
        {she was very very attractive, as they both sat at an opposite table from me for probably an hour in a restaurant in the south island – that’s of course after she wondered in, and with a white boy.
        I’m a law abiding white male btw and I was very jealous, and like them I was on holiday too, but unlike Tamihere with his harsh realities.}
        
        I wouldn’t know if he did it or not, but I would’ve worked hard and looked after her – if I’d been given the opportunity. Tamihere may have thought the same. I’ve often thought about them over the years, and their parents. God Bless them.
        
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        October 14, 2018 10:22am
    - Notsofast
      
      Unlikely as it may be, there were two bad men living rough on the rugged Coromandel at the time, and one killed and tried to decapitate Hoglin, the other was unlucky enough to steal the car George Huia Foley abandoned after driving it from the murder scene 73 kms away. Few tears are shed for David Tamihere, but he is not that type of psychopath.
      Foley was, and fortunately is dead, though there is one more corpse that may have resulted because the police got the wrong guy.
      
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      October 14, 2018 10:00am
  - Notsofast
    
    The denial of appeal for Tamihere was the worst exercise in jurisprudence New Zealand had seen after the body had been discovered. The Lundy litany just published is now the worst.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:56am
    - DJ Ward
      
      Correct.
      
      The police presented evidence in regard to the watch. They had evidence that he had contact with the car but had no evidence he came in contact with the people. The watch was evidence of him having physical contact with them. This is the most important piece of evidence leading to his conviction.
      
      Trouble is it was a lie. A complete fabrication. The effect on the jury is too great to allow the conviction to stand. We cannot permit a proven lie to be the basis of a conviction.
      
      The crown has no evidence, none, that he ever physically met the victims. Now with the body’s discovery his involvement is less viable or provable.
      
      It is an unsafe conviction. Beyond reasonable doubt is not possible.
      
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      October 14, 2018 5:27pm
Sofia

It would seem that Ardern’s accusations that petrol companies are “fleecing” us, were her own effort to “pull the wool over our eyes”.
Although, as pointed out by National, she didn’t use accurate figures, her exercise was to establish how we are already paying more for petrol than we should, but she still went ahead and banged 15.5 cents – almost exactly twice the tax she’d mentioned – on top of the price that her whole exercise had just condemned.

She should publicly acknowledge her exclusion of her own tax in her conclusion we are being “fleeced” – although I suppose not having complete information on the pricing of petrol, when you make the decision on what to tax the product, is not as bad as having no figures nor any consultation whatsoever when you ban certain exploration in relation to the same product.
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October 14, 2018 8:14am
- Southern Raider
  
  But Tracey Watkins has claimed that Cindy’s attack on petrol companies is the start of a new and more forceful and competent Govt.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:11am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Tracey Watkin is Labour list candidate.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:21am
  - Sofia
    
    As others have said –
    This is so seriously incompetent that you cannot help wondering if it was deliberate.
    Whichever way you look at it, she had either lied deliberately or has no clue what she is talking about.
    
    For months Ardern said ad nauseam, as has Twyford repeated, that the Auckland tax is 10 cents and the national petrol tax is 3.5 cents, and that neither is, or add up to, the 6.8 cents that MBIE gave her.
    
    Curran should call for Ardern’s resignation.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:46am
- Harkman
  
  Why is nobody saying that international money markets have no faith in this government and are dumping the NZD dollar and if National were still in what is $2.50 would be $2.19?
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:42am
Pateke

There you go again Sofia. Using logic to solve a problem from a millenial”s viewpoint. Left millennials do feels not logic.
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October 14, 2018 8:17am
Southern Raider

This women would fit in well with Cindy. Her proposed employment laws aren’t even liked by Australian Labor but do fit well with where NZ is going.

Nothing like a time warp back to the 70s. And her mentor is a 90 year old lesbian feminist anarchist.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/is-sally-mcmanus-the-woman-the-coalition-fears-most-20181011-p508zx.html
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October 14, 2018 8:18am
cas

Just thinking of petrol prices and climate change, how many cars does the PM have in addition to the Crown car available at any time. I think they have an electric car but I did hear Clarke had a ute or truck or something similar. If so they are setting a good example.
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October 14, 2018 8:19am
- sooty
  
  He would have to have something better than an EV to tow the boat and get it up the ramp. Unless of course he sold the boat, to help pay for the EV.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t the EV ours – paid for by the Taxpayer ?
    The fact that he and Ardern drive it it is not relevant.
    He uses it to crawl the Ponsonby coffee bars.
    
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    October 14, 2018 10:59am
    - sooty
      
      With the baby in the back. Oh wait, don’t they have nanny’s!
      
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      October 14, 2018 1:23pm
- Longknives
  
  I mentioned this blatant hypocrisy (Gayford’s cars and boats/Ardern zooming round the World on Air Force planes) to a Leftist acquaintance of mine recently.
  Their response?
  
  “Jacinda isn’t the problem- She is the solution!”
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:51am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Wow, your friend should patent that.
    They have definitely found a new level of stupid.
    Old gag.
    If Jacinda is the answer, it must have been a bloody stupid question.
    
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    October 14, 2018 10:10am
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    October 14, 2018 11:46am
  - stigie
    
    “Ardern zooming round the World on Air Force planes)”
    
    Remember her trip to Nauru, 108 tons of CO2.
    Fucking hypocrite of the highest order !~
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:48am
- igm
  
  Gayboy should sell his fossil fuelled boat replacing it with a waka and 12 Murri oarsmen!
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:39am
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British doctor says: “In Britain, medicine is so advanced that we cut off a man’s liver, put it in another man, and in 6 weeks, he is looking for a job.”
The German doctor says: “That’s nothing,
in Germany we took part of a brain, put it in another man, and in 4 weeks he is looking for a job.”
The Russian doctor says: “Gentlemen, we took half a heart from a man, put it in another’s chest, and in 2 weeks he is looking for a job.”
The American doctor laughs: “You are all behind us. A few months ago, we took a man with no brain, no heart, and no liver and made him President.
Now, the whole country is looking for a job!”
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October 14, 2018 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  Sorry holy the Democrat in you is coming out stuff the hole with more Snowflakes.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:31am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Problem is dipshit, they all have jobs now!
  
  Clueless fuck.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:31am
  - Lance
    
    Yes… let your hate arise. Demand death to HS, death to lefties.
    Your journey to the dark side is complete
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:33am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I thought Hillary came second . . . .
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:31am
  - sooty
    
    She don’t need a job. She has us paying the foundation.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:38am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Haiti want to build a few more hovels.
      Just waiting for all that promised foundation money.
      Chelsea got a nice wedding dress though.
      
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      October 14, 2018 10:13am
- lilman
  
  Trump is a legend.
  Even over the Saudi arms deal he said he wouldn’t cancel, he told the truth, now the left are screaming that he is even more unfit.
  Thing is Obama would have talked shit and done nothing and kept the deal.
  Some people can’t handle the truth.
  
  God bless America and god bless President Trump.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:50am
- kloyd0306
  
  The American doctor was referring to 2009.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:30am
- Viking2
  
  Another lefty pushing shit uphill with a tooth pick. When are you going to stop peddling lies.
  
  Even Detroit is now down to under 5%.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:50am
- waikatogirl
  
  Should have changed it to:
  
  The NZ doctor laughs: “You are all behind us. A few months ago, we took a woman with no brain, no heart, and no liver and made her PM.
  Now, the whole country is looking for a job!”
  
  Yep, that’s it! ?
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:18am
- skyblue
  
  That joke is old, from 2009.
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:42am
- holysheet
  
  United States: Unemployment rate falls to near 50-year low in September despite softening payroll growth.
  
  HENCE my comment, everyone is looking for a job.
  
  There are at least 40 dumb fuckers who downticked me above.
  
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  October 14, 2018 2:57pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I normally enjoy your daily contribution to humour Holy, and I thank you for them, but that one clanged – big time.
  Tomorrow’s is going to have to be special!
  I’m looking forward to it.
  
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  October 14, 2018 4:26pm
VicParking

Stop the presses from the failing Newspaper
Business or pleasure? Sam Hayes spotted having dinner with Ryan Kamins. Maybe a story if he was having breakfast.
Yes Sam and Ryan Who?
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October 14, 2018 8:35am
- double d
  
  Sorry who are they? Do they matter?
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:36am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Wondered the same thing but don’t have time to go to the failing newspaper to find out. I’m washing my hair.
    
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    October 14, 2018 10:47am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Wool?
      
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      October 14, 2018 12:02pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Cool hand wash
        
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        October 14, 2018 1:51pm
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We know cosmopolitan elites love miscegenation – because they keep showing it to us in their movies and television series. Sarkozy even said racial interbreeding is the greatest challenge of the 21st century.

But a story coming out of Israel this weekend shows its apparently it’s not as popular at their home base in Israel…

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/she-seduced-a-jew-mk-bemoans-wedding-of-fauda-star-to-israeli-arab-tv–1.6550010

Lawmaker Oren Hazan (Likud) attacked Israeli Arab news anchor Lucy Aharish over her wedding on Wednesday night to Jewish actor Tzachi Halevy, known for his role in the TV series Fauda.

The two have been together for four years, but have kept their relationship a secret from the media.

Hazan called to stop Jewish assimilation, saying: “I don’t blame Lucy Aharish for seducing a Jewish soul with the goal of harming our country and for preventing more Jewish progeny from continuing the Jewish dynasty, on the contrary she is welcome to convert,” Hazan wrote on his Twitter account.

“I do blame Tzachi ‘the Islamicizing’ Halevy, who took Fauda a step too far – Bro stop being delusional. Lucy, it’s not personal, but you should know Tzachi is my brother and the Jewish people are my people, stop the assimilation!” he tweeted.

Whats real interesting and somewhat hypocrtical is that whilst Jews push diversity propaganda on our screens in the West non-stop, a single Arab woman “seducing a Jew” in Israel produces political controversy at the highest level.

Apologies in advance for all the NPC’s out there I’ve “offended” by noticing this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1051030363831582723
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October 14, 2018 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  Sorry did not catch that Item on TV1 news, looked at TV3 but also not there. WO did not even cover it.
  Your brain must be very low this morning have you had diarrhea.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:41am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ Vicparking,
    
    Kiwiblog never fails to surprises me in that despite the numerous such articles I share that contradict the view you’ve been indoctrinated in with since birth, there is not an inner voice from the likes of yourself asking why all these articles are a direct contradiction from the recieved “wisdom” on which you base your world view.
    
    It’s so bad that you defer to the same MSM you always lambast as the purveyor of fake news❗
    
    It’s only seeing these Pavlovian hostile responses that made me realise that so many people have no “inner monologue / dialogue” and never think critically about the world beyond them. Mine on the contrary never shuts up❗
    
    The fact that you’re on Kiwiblog shows you have many thoughts and ideas on the here and now, for example that the GNats should do this but not that.
    
    But then if I’m discussing WWII or hell, even Game of Thrones, most of you NPCs won’t be able to discuss a narrative beyond simply what happened and not what it means that it happened.
    
    Or as Huxley so eloquently put it:
    
    among those who appear to be most normal. “Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does.” They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.
    
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NPC
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      Really? I don’t mean to be rude but who gives a shit?
      
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      October 14, 2018 12:01pm
- Swifty
  
  Islam deserves to be abused, mocked and ridiculed.
  
  (Muslims, no.)
  
  Suck it up cupcake.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:22am
  - igm
    
    Islam is a vile and decadent blight on society . . . no if and buts!
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:30am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Islam is the literal “bull in the China Shop” destroying everything it touches.
    
    What you need to be asking though is who let the Bull into the China Shop and why the door continues to be held open despite the obvious damage the Bull is doing.?
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:32am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
    
    Swifty, you are correct.
    
    My complaint is that it is direct *personally* toward me.
    
    Despite several complaints, Mr Farrar has failed to moderate the insane and inaccurate Kiwibloggers.
    
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    October 14, 2018 12:02pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Insult the host, get red tick, reply and report; you may have been to Mecca, I would prefer you just fucked off
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:30am
  - double d
    
    I thought the Mecca thingy was a satire account? Sort of like Sir Cullens sidekick??
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Planning on staying here long Mecca-man?
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:37am
- Harriet
  
  “….No wonder the Jews are not popular anywhere except Israel. LOL……”
  
  They’ve perfected socialism and Nationalism, education and economic growth also, well at least into a model that can now consistently defend a 4 millennial Total Warfare attack – against their very existence.
  
  They regained their homeland and they revived Hebrew too. Meanwhile in NZ the Heybro language is being installed by teachers, public servants both civilian and non civilian, and ‘personalities’. And they keep talking about those who ‘have claim’ to more and more ‘land and matters’.
  
  And you are worried about the Jews and muslims! 😎
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:48am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  If you don’t like New Zealand, then don’t come here, or go home. It is only the crazy deluded left wing minority who want you here, as with Europe.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:50am
Justitia

Memo to NZ Ambassador Riyadh: Can we please have Murray’s sheep-farm back?
Are we still pouring money into that crock? Are Saudi visas available on line or do you have to apply in person?
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October 14, 2018 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  You need to Visit the Saudi embassy. Remember to put you phone on record to iCloud.
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:44am
  - Felt
    
    There was a funny cartoon in the Herald yesterday by Emerson on this very thing.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:22am
    - Paulus
      
      Yes, I noted that it was the same cartoon as he did 15 years ago and wondered why.
      Like the media so called cartoonists he is pathetic and out of date obviously.
      
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      October 14, 2018 11:03am
  - Viking2
    
    Ha, bet that little idea gets sorted quick. cunning though. Pity it was publicized.
    
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    October 14, 2018 9:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You could pop in to the Saudi embassy in Willis Street, or to their consulate in Queen Street and ask if there are any journalists being butchered there at the moment.
      
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      October 14, 2018 12:32pm
sooty

I heard the other day that Labour have had 198 talkfeast and blown 1.5 billion on them! Does anyone have the true figures?
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October 14, 2018 8:45am
- Longknives
  
  Shut up and pay your taxes sooty!
  Ain’t Socialism grand?
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:53am
VicParking

Well KB’s, not a cloud in the sky here in Whanganui. I’m off to empty my brain into the crapper, take the dog for a walk and fill it up again with Latte’s
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October 14, 2018 8:46am
- Inandout
  
  Is Wanganui cloudless as well?
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:04am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Not quite as cloudless as Whanganui was at 8.46am, but a lovely dhay nonethelhess.
    
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    October 14, 2018 10:18am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Same here in the heart of the Waikato. Bit nippy in the early hours. ?
      
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      October 14, 2018 10:24am
- starboard
  
  Your dog drinks Latte ?
  
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  October 14, 2018 1:14pm
lilman

Who picked the player of the day for the Kiwis?
How the hooker never got it is beyond me.
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October 14, 2018 9:14am
noskire

How many Germans does it take to change a lightbulb?
One – because they are efficient and don’t have a sense of humour.
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October 14, 2018 9:49am
- Harkman
  
  Maybe none? Perhaps they’ve developed a machine to change it when it blows or they’ve developed a bulb that never blows.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:51am
- Jules99
  
  None, because immigrants have all the low skilled jobs now.
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:06am
- slightlyrighty
  
  How many labour led committees does it take to change a light bulb…
  
  Don’t be silly, their job is to keep us in the dark.
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:26am
Harkman

So the investiture ceremony was the other day and it occurred to me that Labour/Greens know they can’t straight up get rid of them. So they are going to give the awards to the most ridiculous people imaginable in order for the public to call for them to end. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ali Mau and Metiria Turei received gongs on new year’s day.
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October 14, 2018 9:49am
Manolo

Is Mrs May closer to losing the battle?
https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/brexit-deal-hangs-in-balance-as-monday-deadline-said-in-doubt

Brexit talks hang in the balance as negotiators work through the weekend, with neither side confident they will clinch a deal in time to meet a self-imposed deadline of Monday.
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October 14, 2018 9:52am
Hugh Pavletich

UPDATE … CHINA: : Public anger in China spreading as property prices drop | South China Morning Post

… Access all posts via … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/macro-afternoon-507/#comment-3202913 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/chinese-trade-slows/#comment-3202916

… China … The Mother Of All Bubbles …

Investing in Chinese Stocks—投资大中华地区股市: Failed Land Auctions Proliferate, Exceed 2012 and 2015 Highs

http://investinginchinesestocks.blogspot.com/2018/10/failed-land-auctions-proliferate-exceed.html
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CHINA: World’s Largest Car Market Faces Historic Drop – Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-12/largest-car-market-faces-historic-drop-as-chinese-shoppers-waver

• Sales to Chinese dealerships fall for third month in September

• Trade war, economic woes hurting sales at GM, VW, Honda
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United States National Economic Advisor Larry Kudlow spells it out … view and read more via hyperlink below …

Larry Kudlow: Some CEOs may be using China tariffs as an excuse … CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/12/larry-kudlow-some-ceos-may-be-using-china-tariffs-as-an-excuse.html
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October 14, 2018 10:05am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Didn’t I see the same post yesterday?
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:09am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … from early Saturday morning …
    
    Public anger in China spreading as property prices drop | South China Morning Post
    
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2168025/public-anger-china-spreading-property-prices-drop
    
    Sales are usually brisk at this time of year, but so far the figures are grim – and people who’ve already bought are protesting against price cuts … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    … above via …
    
    Investing in Chinese Stocks—投资大中华地区股市: SCMP Covers Real Estate Rage
    
    http://investinginchinesestocks.blogspot.com/2018/10/scmp-covers-real-estate-rage.html
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    The sudden tinge of fear among sellers in Hong Kong’s property market | South China Morning Post
    
    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/2168190/suddenly-theres-tinge-fear-among-sellers-hong-kongs-property-market
    
    A recent wave of price discounting for both residential and commercial properties indicates a softening in sentiment … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    October 14, 2018 10:43am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Great read here guys from Gordon Chang …
      
      Gordon Chang: China’s Rise (and America’s Fall) Just Won’t Happen. Here’s Why. | The National Interest
      
      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/gordon-chang-chinas-rise-and-americas-fall-just-wont-happen-heres-why-33251
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      Don’t forget what Ron Brierley said this time last year …
      
      30 years on, Lessons of the 1987 share market crash with former PM Paul Keating (and others) … ABC The Business 18 October 2017
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhiE_zXAxx8
      
      Ron Brierley – Wikipedia
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Brierley
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      The $80 Trillion World Economy in One Chart … Visual Capitalism
      
      http://www.visualcapitalist.com/80-trillion-world-economy-one-chart/
      
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      October 14, 2018 11:23am
- skyblue
  
  Trump effect.
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    A good thing perhaps.
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:43am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Trump pleased China’s economy is cooling |(New Zealand) Newshub
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/10/trump-pleased-china-s-economy-is-cooling.html
      
      … concluding …
      
      … Asked about a Trump-Xi meeting at the G20 summit, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang told a regular news briefing in Beijing on Friday that, “China and the United States maintain communication at all levels of dialogue and exchanges.”
      
      Mr Trump imposed tariffs on nearly US$200 billion of Chinese imports last month and then threatened more levies if China retaliated. China then hit back with tariffs on about US$60 billion of US imports.
      
      “It’s had a big impact,” Mr Trump said in a Fox News interview. “Their economy has gone down very substantially and I have a lot more to do if I want to do it.
      
      “I don’t want to do it, but they have to come to the table.”
      
      Mr Trump said the Chinese want to negotiate but he does not believe they are ready and he told them so. He blamed previous US Presidents for allowing China to pursue unfair trade practices and said he had to tell Beijing, “It’s over.”
      
      “They lived too well for too long and, frankly, I guess they think the Americans are stupid people. Americans are not stupid people. We were led badly when it came to trade,” Mr Trump said.
      
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      October 14, 2018 12:38pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Panic in NZ ? …
        
        Despite recent market volatility most KiwiSavers should be happy with their investment. Now is not the time to be cutting and running or you will miss the benefits of long term investing. Even default funds are doing better | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/kiwisaver/96268/despite-recent-market-volatility-most-kiwisavers-should-be-happy-their-investment
        
        By David Chaston
        
        In the past few days equity markets have tumbled worldwide. A major correction is underway in both the bond and stock markets. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        No mention of the inevitable major wipe – out in the property market going forward.
        
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        October 14, 2018 5:28pm
DifferentPerspective

American style Judicial Interference is here

Far left judicial activists telling us why they know best – would you like to know more?
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October 14, 2018 10:09am
- Tall Man
  
  A treaty loving multi millionaire married to a Fletcher and shows total disregard to the RMA at every opportunity.
  
  She espouses typical “old lady interference”. ” I’ll tel you what’s good for you but remember, it doesn’t apply to me.”
  
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  October 14, 2018 11:42am
Captain Mainwaring

Wow, I’ve been to Mecca and you have not and all the connected threads have been expunged.
Can’t say I’m surprised, he was really pushing the envelope there.
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October 14, 2018 10:10am
- skyblue
  
  I went to Mecca also and shared Stephieboys goat. At least my experience was cooked, SB marinated in it.
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:46am
- mandk
  
  Do you think ‘I’ve been to Mecca …’ might have been another of Kea’s / Reality Czech’s identities?
  
  It would fit Kea’s / Reality Czech’s rabid anti-Jewish outbursts.
  
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  October 14, 2018 11:14am
  - Fletch
    
    I keep on thinking of a song, “I’ve Been to Mecca, but I’ve Never Been To Me” (apologies to Charlene D’Angelo…)
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:52am
waikatogirl

Did anyone else see the video on NewsHub yesterday of Cindy saying the COL will change the law to force open the fuel companies books to prove whether they are price gouging? Fuel companies are privately owned. Does this proposed change in the law to inspect the fuel companies books set a precedent for other industries to have their private company’s books inspected by the government at will?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/10/fuel-companies-won-t-reduce-price-if-tax-cancelled-energy-minister-megan-woods.html
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October 14, 2018 10:38am
- Jazzby
  
  The road to ruin is paved with good intentions, as they say: the motive might be laudable enough, but the method is potentially dangerous. Fuel companies today; power companies tomorrow; supermarket chains next week: it’s a worrying precedent. But, then again, the political left has always held the belief that the state is, and should be, more powerful than private enterprise. Here we go…..
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:46am
  - Prince
    
    Unions where the top dog rakes off $1.5M on the top ?
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:20am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Fuel companies, then supermarkets.
  I’m hoping audiologists, optometrists, dentists and medical imaging are next up.
  
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  October 14, 2018 10:51am
  - dave_c_
    
    Perhaps also lawyers and real estate companies !
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:04am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      What about local body rates-gougers?
      
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      October 14, 2018 11:10am
    - The Heat
      
      ..and politicians. And state servants.
      
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      October 14, 2018 11:11am
      - Tall Man
        
        Steady on there old chaps, that’s just not cricket……
        
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        October 14, 2018 11:31am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Then the local sheet metal companies, farm contractors, tractor dealers, then dairies, bookstores and hairdressers… Slippery slope people. ?
        
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        October 14, 2018 12:07pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Employment boom anticipated in the consultant industry. If you’re a socialist tree-hugging innumerate get your cv polished up and send it to SLGs private email.
        
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        October 14, 2018 1:58pm
- noskire
  
  Yet a two-day talkfest that cost taxpayers 1.5 million dollars (and the MC was paid $27 000) is perfectly acceptable.
  
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  October 14, 2018 11:03am
  - sooty
    
    Other peoples money, get’s spent like water! No problems.
    
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    October 14, 2018 1:32pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Not to mention a plane trip to Nauru when a tin of baby formula could have saved the planet.
    
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    October 14, 2018 6:20pm
- Paulus
  
  BP said they will send a copy of their books to Ardern any time she wants.
  SLG with big gob.
  
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  October 14, 2018 11:05am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Yeah, call her bluff, like her or Robbo could read a set of ledgers.
    
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    October 14, 2018 11:34am
    - Tall Man
      
      Clever riposte.
      
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      October 14, 2018 11:52am
    - Colville
      
      Robo will just outsource it to PwC at around $2mil of our cash to read them and translate them into 2 syllable words, so problem solved.
      
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      October 14, 2018 12:09pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Yes, $2 mil for ‘all good’, even Mau can’t fleece us that fast!
        
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        October 14, 2018 1:12pm
  - starboard
    
    I’m sure BP will..but it will be the ‘adjusted’ ones that get sent.
    
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    October 14, 2018 1:21pm
    - Paulus
      
      As a Limited Liability Company in this country they are available to anybody who wants them via the Company’s Office.
      And they are Audited and signed off by the Directors.
      
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      October 14, 2018 1:31pm
- Harkman
  
  A really good way of improving business confidence.
  
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  October 14, 2018 11:13am
- Harriet
  
  “………..Cindy saying the COL will change the law to force open the fuel companies books to prove whether they are price gouging?…..”
  
  “I don’t think I used excess, but if I did God will forgive me.” – General Pinochet.
  
  “I don’t think I’ve taxed to excess, but if I did the wage and salary earners, business people, those with money in banks, superannuation and property, along with home owners, exporters and tourism operators in NZ, will all forgive me.”- Baby Shambles.
  
  They won’t, and International markets like the NZ$ will be unforgiving also. And futures markets like milk products, meat, wood….
  
  Key will make even more money out of this Labour, Greens NZF government as things may start to become volatile.
  
  If tradings too much work for you then just buy the Poverdy Gap. 😎
  
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  October 14, 2018 12:16pm
- VicParking
  
  Its worked when Nicolás Maduro did it
  
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  October 14, 2018 2:52pm
MrTips

Oh dear, the global warming “we’re all going to die unless you give us $800B dollars” idiots have a problem. Antarctica didn’t get the memo about summer and is the reason why is been such a f%$!ing cold spring so far. Antarctica NZ can’t get its bods down there because the place is a winter storm-fest , for the longest time in decades and every night on TV the smiling Dan has cold southerly lines hitting us.

Gonna be the year without a summer almost.
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October 14, 2018 11:48am
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/10/president-donald-trump-s-son-in-law-jared-kushner-paid-almost-no-income-tax-for-years.html

The anti Trump MSM is still at it.

Let’s open Helen Clark’s multi million dollar asset base and take a peak.

The same depreciation method was used here and is perfectly legal but watch out when you sell. All that depreciation gets paid right back to the IRD. The argument was/is that you defer today’s tax and pay it back in tomorrow’s dollars but it still hurts.
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October 14, 2018 11:51am
- Inandout
  
  Didn’t our Bob Jones comment he paid no income tax?
  
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  October 14, 2018 12:21pm
- KevOB
  
  Rental, including commercial, properties haven’t been depreciable for some years. A sod for cash flow as tax has to be paid on the net rents which have increased substantially without the depn. deduction. Landlords may have recouped depreciation on sale formerly but IRD took its bite then out of liquid funds.
  
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  October 14, 2018 12:55pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/chris-hipkins-unveils-plan-to-lure-offshore-teachers-home.html

It’s a shame that the media doesn’t seek out an publish real stories from real teachers.

Imagine being a 55 year old woman primary school teacher and being told to “fuck off” by a ten year old boy who then threatens you with a visit from his father to “rape and smash you”. Then your principal refuses to take action due to “cultural sensitivities”.

There is much more at play here than salary alone.

I know many teachers who have taken their skills offshore because they could. They wanted to travel and see the big world so off they went. Some came back after their allotted time, some didn’t. Maybe met a local and decided to remain and raise a family away from the bi culture we foist upon teachers here.

We have all the indicators showing that our education system is in crisis, low literacy rates, massive truancy among the “disadvantaged” plus violence at high levels in schools against both teachers and students yet the dipstick thinks a “pay rise” plus benefits will solve the issue.

Saw a recently returned from America Asian student at a school assembly back in her home country. She started to perform student disruption learned from her American times and the DP of the school just got up from the stage went into the row, picked up the girl who started screaming and removed her from the assembly. While not ostracised by her fellows, her actions were viewed with horror.

Imagine the furore here if a teacher used that method to restore equilibrium to a classroom.
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October 14, 2018 12:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes, please bring back the ability of teachers to assault children.
  
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  October 14, 2018 12:44pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Seems only fare….we have given (effectively) children the right to assault unprotected teachers.
    
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    October 14, 2018 12:58pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Please pretty please. Especially thd kids of lefty fuckwits like you. You talk to teachers in right wing rural communities and guess what. They don’t get told you fuck off. They don’t get assaulted. The kids behave and the parents support the teachers. In fucked up lefty communities it’s like a war zone. Funny that.
    
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    October 14, 2018 1:27pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Let me guess: multiple beatings by schoolmasters made you the empathetic charmer you are today.
      
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      October 14, 2018 1:55pm
      - Longknives
        
        When I was young and went to School there were certain Teachers who would hurt the children anyway they could…
        
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        October 14, 2018 5:36pm
  - srylands
    
    So what do you do with a 10 year old who tells the teacher to fuck off? They don’t need to be assaulted but they need to be removed using force if necessary.
    
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    October 14, 2018 1:57pm
    - Viking2
      
      and we wonder why no on wants to be a teacher.
      
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      October 14, 2018 5:12pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So grabbing your child or another child and removing them from harm is assault?
    
    Every day you remind us why you’re an idiot.
    
    No child has the right to disrupt another’s chance to learn, but I suppose you’d rather they stayed stupid so they can become good little labour acolytes like you.
    
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    October 14, 2018 4:03pm
    - sooty
      
      Yep. By the ear!
      
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      October 14, 2018 4:59pm
    - Viking2
      
      Here is how it should go.
      
      https://www.facebook.com/MeanwhileInAustralia/photos/a.388527251219887/2408228345916424/?type=3&theater
      
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      October 14, 2018 5:23pm
  - Viking2
    
    Yep equal rights are all the go these days MM. You support them.
    So why shouldn’t the teachers give back what is dished out to them.
    The only way to fix a bully is to return the behavoir. Most of them cry at that point.
    
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    October 14, 2018 5:14pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    If only Mike. Then you would not be such a whiney fuckwit.
    Assuming you are under 42. If older then you are just the normal KB troll 🙂
    
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    October 14, 2018 5:26pm
freemark

Red ink in the Sharemarkets.
I’ve had good results last few years in my Kiwisaver from mainly growth (shares) fund. Time to transfer it all to cash & bonds for a while?
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October 14, 2018 12:48pm
- stigie
  
  Short term pain freemark, leave it where it is, have seen it all before many times !~
  
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  October 14, 2018 2:20pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Google the graph which shows you where the Dow was yesterday, last week, a year ago and 25 years ago.
    On the 25 year one the dip of the last couple of days doesn’t even register.
    
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    October 14, 2018 2:54pm
VicParking

“Confidence in Economic Policy Rises to Highest Level in 15 Years”….Woops thats the USA not NZ.
Unemployment fall to record 3,7%…. Woops thats the USA not NZ
People on Food Stamps lowest since 2010…..Woops thats the USA not NZ
Leader of the Country has big Balls…..Woops thats the USA not NZ
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October 14, 2018 1:04pm
srylands

I heard a woman on the radio yesterday demanding fossil free banking. I thought I had misheard but no.

https://350.org.nz/our-work/gofossilfree/

Why does radio new Zealand give air time to lunatics?
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October 14, 2018 1:53pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is a fossil-free bank one which does not accept you as a customer?
  
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  October 14, 2018 1:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Well I guess they didn’t say “deadshit free” so you’re still in.
    
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    October 14, 2018 4:00pm
MCos

I see America is going to throw the book at the Saudis if it’s proved they murdered the Washington Post journalist.
I wonder what they’ll do, because it’s obvious to just about everybody they’ll do nothing to upset their mates.
It’s like the overweight guy who says he’ll do anything to drop a few kgs except diet or exercise.
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October 14, 2018 3:04pm
- Komata
  
  McCos
  
  The US now produces oil in quantities that surpass that of the Saudi’s, so they are no longer especially ‘dependent’ on them for that liquid.
  
  On that basis, they can now take whatever action they care to, knowing that the Saudi’s will be somewhat dis-inclined to take serious retalatory action…
  
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  October 14, 2018 3:58pm
  - MCos
    
    There’s more going on between the two countries than oil.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , S Arabia is seen as a counter weight to Iran in the region
      
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      October 15, 2018 3:04pm
- DigNap15
  
  Why bother, he is not a US citizen.
  Let the Turks ask their muslim mates!
  
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  October 14, 2018 5:23pm
- kowtow
  
  Interesting contrasts in “International Missing Man Stakes”
  
  World’s media going on and on and on about this Khassoggi guy ( ok he’s a journalist) but in the great scheme of things the relative silence about the missing head of interpol in China should rate as more important……
  
  I suppose too the media would like to stir shit for Trump re Saudi Arabia, which appears to be part of the hype.
  
  But surely a missing cop is more mysterious.
  
  Shhhh , don’t upset the Chicoms , bad for trade donncha know?
  
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  October 15, 2018 3:08pm
starboard

Doesn’t pass the sniff test if you ask me

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107758278/scammed-kiwi-says-nz-trade-rep-bought-back-his-passport
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October 14, 2018 3:38pm
Manolo

The AGW con-man keeps dishing out tripe:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/gore-jet-stream-getting-loopier-and-wavier-so-we-have-a-global-emergency/

Former Vice President Al Gore declared that scientists predicted hurricane “consequences” of climate change and warned “they’re going to get a lot worse still until we stop using the Earth’s atmosphere as an open sewer.”

Gore was reacting to this week’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report in which 91 authors and editors from 40 countries concluded there’s currently a 12-year window to make “far-reaching and unprecedented changes” to avert dramatic effects of global warming.
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October 14, 2018 4:38pm
Steve (North Shore)

And now for something entirely different.
Countdown checkout. I like the checkout people, hard and fast job. You get to know which Girls/Guys are the slow ones and avoid them even in a longer queue. So today I asked one of my favourites ‘Has no plastic bags made your job easier?’ She rolls eyes – no allowed to comment.
So I told her to push the supervisors and management and get your mates to do the same. She just winked – no comment.
The fucking plastic pollution comes from China and India not here.
Also the other 15c bags are big and far too heavy for poor old grandma.
I see Countdown reneging as clients get fucked off. Please do not take it out on the checkout people – they are doing a low paid job.
End of rant – fuck you Countdown
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October 14, 2018 5:38pm
- nasska
  
  …..”fuck you Countdown”…..
  
  Beautifully put. As we normally shop at New World stores we haven’t been exposed to the puerile bag ban yet but I’m prepared.
  
  Last week I bought half a dozen jute sugar bags. They were the height of fashion on the East Coast sixty years ago & they must be due to make a comeback.
  
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  October 14, 2018 5:54pm
- Komata
  
  Steve
  
  FWIW, and while appreciating your sentiments. those of us in the rural towns frequently have only a limited choice.
  
  Where I live (Central Waikato) the local ‘foodmarkets are New World, Fresh Choice, Four Square, the dairies or Countdown.
  
  Of these Countdown is the cheapest, followed by Freshchoice, and New World. Four Square and the dairies are on a par.
  
  There is really little ECONOMIC choice in respect of where one shops in such a situation, a fact reinforced by the fact that Countdown and Fresh choice can be $2-3 CHEAPER than New World and even more than that for the others.
  
  The nearest city is at least 45 minutes away, and while Pak’n’Save may be cheaper, the fuel prices tend to negate the savings. I’ve certainly tried that route, but the savings didn’t justify the effort.
  
  It’s a ‘heads you lose, tails you lose’ situation, so Countdown gets the bulk of my trade; to NOT get what savings I can, seems somewhat pointless. I don’t like it, and have made my views known, but the choices are, as already noted, somewhat limited.
  
  As I said, FWIW.
  
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  October 14, 2018 6:32pm
- Longknives
  
  Cute wee checkout chick at my local had a great sense of humour about it- Despite getting a torrent of abuse thrown her way (she told me)
  She told me “We heard Countdown were going to put Jacinda’s face on the new reusable bags”
  I assume she was joking!
  Dear God I hope she was joking?
  
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  October 14, 2018 6:33pm
  - nasska
    
    The company that prints Jacinda’s visage on each segment of toilet paper rolls will get all my business! 🙂
    
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    October 14, 2018 6:39pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    If they do print her mug on the bag I will be drawing a large ❌ right across her mug with a thick vivid pen. ?
    
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    October 14, 2018 6:58pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’ll teach her. Then go back in with a Great Professor bag, just so they know they’re not dealing with anyone deranged.
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/melabelle/works/25676538-dr-jordan-peterson-good-luck-with-that?cat_context=u-bags&grid_pos=2&p=tote-bag&rbs=1b8b4af2-fe3d-4c56-a33f-523316fcab57&ref=shop_grid&searchTerm=jordan%20b%20peterson&iaCode=u-bags
      
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      October 14, 2018 7:09pm
- The Heat
  
  I switched from Countdown to New World after the ban.
  
  It’s further away, so costs me more in gas (good for the environment, huh), but it’s the principle of the thing. The plastic bag ban is singularly stupid and doesn’t solve the problem it claims to. By all means, take you own bag, if you want – but don’t force your choice on everyone else.
  
  New World get my money as Countdown clearly doesn’t want it.
  
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  October 14, 2018 6:49pm
  - Longknives
    
    Yep.
    Take a look inside your new ‘Eco Friendly’ shopping bag and there is 10x the plastic wrapping on the bloody goods inside!
    We are all suffering just so Jacinda can Virtue Signal and pad her CV (For that UN job she covets..)
    
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    October 14, 2018 6:52pm
  - mandk
    
    Like a lot of virtue-signalling gestures, banning single-use plastic bags (which are generally multiple use anyway) is environmentally harmful.
    
    Just like banning new oil and gas exploration licences.
    
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    October 14, 2018 7:01pm
Viking2

Electric this and thats.
pfff.
Nothing new under the sun.
https://external-preview.redd.it/ZZPKXEk2ob10ag2-wOtSN1XJj8jHpnMJayvYjuJcOlM.jpg?auto=webp&s=2867c5b2b530dd580259dc334aba48e2994b882a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoped
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October 14, 2018 5:53pm
Morrissey

If this horrifying creature is a “moderate”, then I’m a banana.

And “Sir” Robert Jones is Jonathan Swift.

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/11/nikki-haley-resigns-un-ambassador/

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/10/10/heres-the-demented-bovine-praised-to-high-heaven-yesterday-by-the-ny-times-editorial-board-can-it-be-doubted-that-the-moderate-pro-israel-wing-of-the-democratic-party-is-a-stinking-corpse-or-that/
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October 14, 2018 5:58pm
- mandk
  
  Anyone who stands up to the pro-terrorist caucus in the UN is a hero in my book.
  
  Nikki Haley was Donald Trump’s finest appointment.
  
  I hope she will succeed him as POTUS.
  
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  October 14, 2018 6:57pm
- igm
  
  Sir Robert is a man . . . something you will never be. Even at his age I would lay odds you would not confront him and repeat any of your vile rhetoric!
  
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  October 14, 2018 7:53pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Jones is really only at home threatening people with legal action. As for actual physical confrontation, I can’t imagine him taking on anyone who could actually fight back.
    
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    October 14, 2018 8:00pm
    - nasska
      
      Give the poor bugger a break. He’s pushing 80……he’d be doing okay to find someone in his age/weight class who was still alive & continent never mind up to a spot of cage fighting! 🙂
      
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      October 14, 2018 8:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Even in his heyday, he was a noted coward and bully.
        
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        October 14, 2018 8:58pm
      - nasska
        
        Never met the man to form an opinion on that Mike.
        
        He’s always had my admiration for standing up to a certain arsehole who wore a Traffic Officer’s uniform in Lower Hutt in the 70s. At the time I was driving a stock truck over the hill to Ngauranga a couple of times a week & putting up with Traffic Dept harassment on a regular basis.
        
        The enemy of my enemy will always be my friend.
        
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        October 14, 2018 9:11pm
Keeping Stock

Well done Silver Ferns; an eleven goal victory over Australia was a great result, as was the Kiwis’ win over Australia last night.
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October 14, 2018 6:14pm
- stigie
  
  Just can’t understand the fucking downticks KS, i guess they hate any sport but would rather be sitting down because of their frail bodies being keyboard warriors..?
  
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  October 14, 2018 8:35pm
starboard

We know, dont we…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107829631/highspeed-crash-leads-to-car-theft-another-crash-and-death-in-bush
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October 14, 2018 6:57pm
mikenmildagain

According to Al Jazeera, US and Taliban negotiators have been meeting in Qatar to discuss conditions for a US withdrawal from Afghanistan.
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October 14, 2018 7:36pm
starboard

More racism in good old Aotearoa, formerly NZ.

Auckland DHB fast-tracks Maori, Pacific job applicants

“All eligible Maori and Pacific job candidates are being automatically fast-tracked to the interview stage for openings at Auckland DHB, according to the New Zealand Herald.

Under the policy that began at the end of June and builds on a similar approach to recruit graduate nurses, if Maori and Pacific job-seekers aren’t hired, managers must give specific feedback to HR, so the unsuccessful candidate can be coached to improve their chances in future interviews.

Hobson’s Pledge is clear that race-based recruitment is institutionalised racism.

Moreover, the Auckland DHB gives the appearance of valuing a Maori-Pacific workforce over a best-qualified workforce.

The policy looks like it is illegal considering that ethnicity is a prohibited ground of discrimination under Section 21 of the Human Rights Act 1993, with no mention in that section of positive or negative discrimination.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/maori-pacific-job-candidates-fast-tracked-to-interview-stage-at-adhb/.W8Fpb2vtEPQ.facebook
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October 14, 2018 8:38pm
starboard

I like what Ward Kamo has to say…courtesy of Hobsons Pledge.

Maori victims of crime
“A person of Maori ancestry, who sits on the board of an agency focused on supporting the children of prisoners, wrote on Maori victims of crime in light of the recent Criminal Justice Symposium, held in Porirua, which he described as “another yawn-fest focused on the fact we have too many Maori prisoners”.

Ward Kamo wrote that for those of you who want to blame colonisation as the cause of the high rates of incarceration of Maori, “tell that to the victims’ whanau – they’ll spit in your face and tell you it was a drug-addled alcohol-addicted useless Maori father that murdered their child”.

“These men should be grateful for prison, in comparison with the justice meted out in our old Maori ways,” he wrote.

See the full article at https://ngaitahu.iwi.nz/our_stories/maori-victims-of-crime-tk79/
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October 14, 2018 8:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  He certainly won’t be on Adern’s guest list.
  
  He’s on the money though.
  
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  October 14, 2018 9:00pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/10/wake-up-new-zealand-sandwich-bread-may-be-on-the-verge-of-extinction.html

Asparagus rolls.

I have noticed the decline in skinny soft bread.
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October 14, 2018 9:22pm
krazykiwi

far.right / fɑːʌɪt / n 1 An attempted smear directed to someone who isn’t obviously a gender fluid supportive, white loathing, misogynist, soy sipping, hate speech aroused, wealth envious snowflake. Usually proffered by the mainstream media as a routine denigration of any person with political, social or economic views that considered as being to the right of Chairman Mao.
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