General Debate 11 October 2018

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Andrei

Let us begin today with a mind twister from BBC land.

Enjoy
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October 11, 2018 8:00am
- dave_c_
  
  We need to (somehow) ‘quantum physics’ these creatures and their ilk, out of this world.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:08am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    I never thought I’d see the marriage of cultural Marxist critique and the bastardisation of an entire scientific field to shill for a relativistic idea of racial or gender identity, this is top tier propaganda.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:44am
    - Jack5
      
      Cultural Marxism, EADolf?
      
      This transexual guy might be able to become a British neo-Nazi, after the model of the Hitler’s pioneer-days chum Ernst Röhm,
      
      By the way, EADolf, did you see that the new German far-Rightists in Saxony now have a group for Jewish members?
      ❗? Kea is rocking on his/her perch in Kiwiblog’s isolation wing.
      
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-backers-establish-group-supporting-germanys-far-right-afd-party/
      
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      October 11, 2018 10:53am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        That’s because the AfD isn’t ‘far right’ at all. They are the new sensible, centre-right party, since CDU has become far-left and Merkel allowed open borders to let in so-called ‘refugees’ who particularly hate jewish people.
        
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        October 11, 2018 12:47pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Yes I did see that Jacksie – I commented on it down thread……
        
        In your febrile worship of all things Semitic, did you notice what actually happened?
        
        Within only a few hours of Jewish wing of the AfD forming, the AfD changed its policy from one of stopping all Muslim immigration to one of stopping immigration of Muslim men only when they hold “anti-Semitic” views. I.e. keep letting the Muzzles in en masse as long as they don’t say bad things about the Juice
        
        This is a classical Jewish SOP which I term “Infiltrate And Subvert” – If you can’t beat ’em join ’em. And then subvert them to the point where Jews (having mysteriously gained control of key positions) gradually “convert” the party into one which opposes “racism” and ‘anti-Semitism’ while strongly supporting Israel. In other words emasculate and neutralise it
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-far-right-afd-officially-launches-jewish-wing-drawing-outcry/
        
        Germany’s far-right party AfD on Sunday launched a “Jewish” group within its ranks, which it says will battle against mass immigration of Muslim men with anti-Semitic views
        
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        October 11, 2018 4:23pm
- Niz
  
  I didn’t waste my time watching the whole thing, but I love that he (she?) tells me that I might like to categorise him (her?) as intersectional.
  I actually might _not_ like to categorise him (her?) that way.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:10am
- Harkman
  
  This is why Britain is stuffed.
  
  BTW is that Morrissey?
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:20am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    This is why Britain is stuffed.
    
    You know – if I was an outside group that wanted to parasite off my host society I’d destroy their cultural norms, break down their family structure, make sure they are bereft of pride of their historical accomplishments, then acquire positions in their academic and media apparatus.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:48am
krazykiwi

I have a close family member (Max, not his real name) who has suffered from a mental illness for years. Max is incredibly brave, never complaining and has worked hard to self-manage with support from our wider family. There’s nothing in the world that would have me trade places with him. Life is very tough.

He lives on a fixed benefit income, and rent-free in a family home.

Max is unable to hold down a regular job, but has learned that having a purpose and getting out of the house is an important part of keeping him well. So he volunteers 2-3 days each week at a charity organisation about 40kms from his home. He uses his car to lug some equipment to/from his work each day, and in any case there’s no public transport available to him.

Last night Max told us that the increase in fuel costs mean he is having to reduce his volunteer work by one day a week. He simply can’t make his budget stretch any further.

The impact of fuel prices is inconsequential for me, but for Max it’s forcing difficult, no-win choices.

The thing I realised from Max’s situation is that far from increased fuel costs leading to higher priced bread, in this instance the net impact is poorer mental health for Max, and one less volunteer day for the charity he’s been supporting.

Blame? Yes, on Labour’s poor economic leadership, and on a lust for tax to fuel their socialist ambitions.
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October 11, 2018 8:00am
- big bruv
  
  Higher fuel prices are all part of the plan. The SLG and her scum Green mates do not give a shit about Max.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:14am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    The biggest consistency with true socialists is that they invariably end up hurting most those they purport to represent.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:19am
    - Colinxy
      
      The Left have no incentive to make the poor richer, as the poor stereotypically vote left.
      
      In fact, getting the poor into the middle class is detrimental to their power.
      
      However, the Left are awesome at using platitudes, which the poor keep falling for.
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Yep, these go together: the surge of petrol tax, the introduction of regional petrol taxes, and the ban on new oil and gas exploration.
        
        The Greens and their Far Left mates hate cars.
        
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        October 11, 2018 10:59am
  - LTA1955
    
    If the COL legislate a change to the MMP 5% threshold and change it to 3%, we are doomed, if they dont, we still stand a chance of booting this bunch of pricks out of office in 2020. There will be massive collusion and support for the COL by MSM which maybe difficult to get any cut through.
    However, 1.1 million pissed off and motivated voters may have to take to the streets (don’t waste your time on social media) and cause some disruption to this screwed up electoral process
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:48am
    - marcw
      
      If that had happened earlier, we would have Crim .Com and Colin Craig sucking off our dollars and telling us how to live from their Parliamentary troughs. Oppose this with all our resources or this is the retards we will get.
      
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      October 11, 2018 12:06pm
    - Paulus
      
      I fully expect as to why the Secret Agreement being Peters’s work that included the MMP level reduction.
      A main reason why it is “still” a secret.
      I heard this at the time of the original agreement from a pretty good source in Wellington at the time.
      Winston’s agreement is to 3% but now the Greens now want 2%.
      Ardern does not care and will support it as no COLL member can disagree – they changed the law for this reason.
      
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      October 11, 2018 1:28pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  So – it was 2-3 days per week before petrol price increase or afterwards ?
  An 80km round trip – yes, that is a long way to travel to volunteer when you’re on a benefit. Before or after this current Govt.
  
  Just to run road legal vehicle on a benefit takes some doing.
  Did this person get the winter energy payment ?
  
  Wouldn’t the increase fuel price for 240kms come out at a few dollars ? Wouldn’t that equate to dropping one day out of every 2-4 weeks, not every week?
  
  There’d be a lot of jealous beneficiaries in terms of weekly income when you’ve got someone receiving a benefit with free accomodation (yes – others receive supplements to afford to live) – on the face of it without knowing outgoings like rates etc Starts to add up to most of a full time working wage. Tell me where I’m wrong.
  
  While it’s a good deed to volunteer – is it prudent to stretch your budget to the limit in the first place in order to meet the cost of travelling 240kms per week to volunteer ? Is there nowhere closer to home ?
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:23am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I’ve just had an idea – ‘family house’ with unused bedrooms ? If so – can they be rented ?
    
    Even before petrol rise – things were tight, yeah ?
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:08am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Max has been doing this for the last 5 or so years. The organisation is one which benefits from his experience when previously in the workforce, and there’s nothing closer to home for him.
    
    A number of family members relinquished their share of an estate home, gifting it to Max. So while he’s rent free, he has the usual home owners costs – rates, insurance, maintenance. Not many beneficiaries would be jealous of those costs.
    
    It is indeed good to volunteer, however I think Max’s primary motivation is the personal benefit to his health. He’s definitely less likely to have episodes while he’s working, and our family is looking for ways to support this, now that Ardern’s socialists are getting stuck into fuel.
    
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    October 11, 2018 1:19pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      He is very lucky, to have been born into a supportive
      family and it sounds like he appreciates it.
      
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      October 11, 2018 4:54pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Aha. I mean – it *looks* to me like an anti Labour sob story beat up, but ok.
      
      You didn’t answer the winter payment thing – or why its got to be one day per week given up when price increase works out nowhere near one day per week.
      
      Are you seriously farking trying to get me to swallow that where before it might’ve been two days in a particular week travelling that now it’s down to one ? The price of petrol aint farkin doubled eh mate ? Fact.
      
      I think a lot of beneficiaries out there are a lot worse off financially than your family member – that’s just a joke I reckon to even say that.
      
      Fuel has risen 19c per litre in 2018. Worst case three days per week 240kms uses how many litres ? At 10kms per litre it’s 24 litres times 19c increase. $4.56c. Am I wrong ? So everything was stretched to the last cent before that – I mean come on mate give me a break. I’d love to see the truth and facts and detail behind your post – and fark I don’t care about admitting if I’m way off – *prove it*.
      
      Effective income of how much ? Benefit plus free house, hello ?
      Oooo rates. Ok – go on then, how much ? Let’s see it. Yep – costs – sure. You’re not going to beat some of the people out there doing it really hard – you’re just really not.
      
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      October 12, 2018 5:07am
- dime
  
  That sux.
  
  The left don’t love the poor, they hate the rich.
  
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  October 11, 2018 10:53am
- madamezucchininz
  
  ….In my line of work I meet people from all walks of life….Liarbor and Nats….business owners and the working poor…..I know of many people struggling and the gas situation is making things intolerable….my best example is a woman on minimum dollar….working up to sixty hours a week to make rent etc…..they live out of the city (Chch)…for cheaper rent…..the huge worry now… is how one gets to and from work as the budget does not stretch that far….catch a bus I hear people say….now that would be fine to get to work ….but how to get home…..buses do not run for people doing a late shift…..this government does not give a shit…..my hope…..that my disgruntled liarbor voting clients are leaving the left in droves….
  
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  October 11, 2018 11:36am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    The other possibility is ride sharing? Not always practical, possible or desirable but preferable than having to rent rooms out.
    
    I occupy 6 bedrooms all by myself. That sounds awfully selfish put like that, but once I occupied 9.
    
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    October 11, 2018 4:59pm
dave_c_

Holy crap – Looked at ‘stuff’ this morning. Percentage of photos including only women about 85 percent.
The MSM not exactly being careful about showing their preferred gender agenda bias !
Don’t get me started on the preponderance of women fronting the TV screen these days !
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October 11, 2018 8:02am
- DigNap15
  
  That photo of Ardern with her “engagement ring” is a shocker.
  What was Clark Gayford thinking.
  She looks like death warmed up
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:05am
  - Maxx
    
    Have you not noticed the distraction wave coming through. I’m sure Gayford was told that he will propose this week as it fits their media narrative.
    Next week look for Neve’s first words in Womans Day.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:10am
    - Colinxy
      
      They must be getting desperate.
      
      I was expecting the “whirlwind romance” drama from Labour/MSM in late 2019/early 2020 culminating in a wedding just prior to the general election. The forthcoming poll numbers must be pretty bad if they’re having to start now.
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:20am
      - krazykiwi
        
        If the poll results are bad for Labour they will no doubt dismiss them, as they have business confidence surveys. Everyone is soooo nasty to them. We just need to experience more socialism, hear more stirring speeches, and see more heartstring-tugging clips of the First Family .. and then we’ll believe.
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:01am
    - Longknives
      
      What are the odds on the Messiah baby’s first word being ‘Comrade’?
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:31am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah, it will be “Mummy where’s daddy?
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:06am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        More like ” Fucking Emirates”
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:10am
      - lcmortensen
        
        How about “Order! Order!”?
        
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        October 11, 2018 6:08pm
    - MrLovebucket
      
      Her first word will be “Tax!”
      
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      October 11, 2018 10:01am
    - cas
      
      Well the New yorker which i received today has a wonderful story about J multitasking in New York which has all sorts of stuff we don’t need to know about like buying wireless breast pumps purchased in the USA and ” I can pump and walk” she said gamely. Clarke and Neve are featured as well. So the brand stuff just keeps rolling. We heard her twice on the noon news on RNZ today – wonder why other ministers can’t make the announcements.
      
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      October 11, 2018 12:23pm
  - Woz
    
    Skeletor, the most evil being and most dangerous threat on Aoteaternia.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:45am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    If it was there would have been an announcement, Jacinda suffers from eczma I believe and shifts rings around, especially her favourite onyx one.
    
    An announcement during the royal visit would get lots of world media attention for such an announcement. Then Harry and Meghan would have to say how happy they were for the happy couple etc just to be polite.
    
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    October 11, 2018 5:04pm
- KevOB
  
  Stuff looks like a cheap womens mag.
  TV? Not for the faint hearted. TV1 in now the Official Propaganda Dept Commie Govt Owintearoha.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:12am
  - dave_c_
    
    Indeed – totally agree KevOB – Just look at the exponential increase of the use of ‘ay oh tea a rower’, being the only reference for New Zealand these days.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:24am
    - G152
      
      We who speak English anglicize the names of countries, cities, towns and so on.
      The French do the same thing in French, the Germans in German, the Dutch in Dutch and so on.
      As do, shock, horror, Maori.
      But to demand that one language should rule all others is ridiculous and frankly, to me, racist
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:36am
      - Jack5
        
        You’re right, G152. Two official languages – two versions of names.
        
        But Maori want to take over the English versions of the names. They want to “pidginize” the version of English spoken in NZ to parallel Maori language. State-owned electronic media and the country’s two print media companies are complying by using NZ Pidgin in place names rather than conventional English.
        
        Something similar is happening in tertiary education. Special Maori tertiary institutions, wananga, have been set up, where “Maori knowledge” can be used. But Maori are also taking over our traditional Western universities, with special Maori advisers, boards, and subjects such as kapa haka and oral history. Canterbury even has a tribal (Ngai Tahu) research centre to focus on the tribe’s issues. At least some of our universities are also being committed, without full public consultation, to support of international indigenous issues.
        
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        October 11, 2018 11:07am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Maybe they’ve worked out with the algorithms that it’s mostly women who are able to take time out from their computer work and ‘increase their productivity’ with morale-boosting online browsing.
    
    And since women still do most of the child-rearing, the world’s toughest and most valuable work, they need 2-3 hours per day on trademe to cope with it all.
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:11am
- Fletch
  
  Did you see the story that Amazon have had to nix their hiring AI because it is biased against women lol
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/amazon-built-ai-to-hire-people-discriminated-against-women-2018-10?r=US&IR=T
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:46am
  - igm
    
    Many NZ companies now only hire women (especially breeding age) as a last resort.
    Can one blame them?
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:49am
    - Cunningham
      
      They should be locked in the kitchen eh? Women actually contribute a lot to workplaces around the country. I think forcing women to be appointed is an absolutely ridiculous concept (which is what parties like the Greens would like) as it should be the best person for the job but your statement is equally as ridiculous.
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:40am
- Harkman
  
  Ha! I was just going to post about how every other column in yesterday’s Press was about Climate change and Global Warming. They are shockingly left wing. Go broke you bastards.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:25am
DigNap15

And another Maori guilt opinion piece on Stuff!
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October 11, 2018 8:04am
- Woz
  
  Written by a woman too. She appears to have discovered her inner brown person, and is intent on proselytizing like a reformed smoker, but at least she isn’t as downright nasty and bigoted as the Maxwell POS.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:11am
peterwn

So Jacinda is now going after food prices. Norm Kirk had a go at that in 1972-1975. Every item had to have a ‘shield’ symbol showing the ‘maximum retail price’ set by the Government. The shields were printed on labels but remained blank – seemed officials could not get their heads round what the MRP’s should be.
So one part of a supermarket will be subject to externally imposed maximum prices, and another part externally imposed minimum prices.
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October 11, 2018 8:07am
- krazykiwi
  
  She should call Maduro. He’s an expert at this stuff, and I’m sure Ardern has his number
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:11am
- Harkman
  
  It’s amazing how obvious it is that we are turning into a basket case but those true patriots in the media aren’t covering it.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:29am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    They are covering it.
    Covering it up.
    
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    October 11, 2018 11:10am
Maxx

Genesis Energy states “By introducing significant uncertainty over gas supplies, particularly in the 2030s, it becomes much harder to remove coal from the electricity system.”
Nice work Labour – coal is far cleaner than gas. Oh, you want gas too? We’ll just import that on ships that use nice oil burning engines.
This Government does the best work. Great work. Huge foresight.
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October 11, 2018 8:08am
- peterwn
  
  And if you cannot burn coal, it means burning imported diesel or bunker oil.
  If she had an ounce of brain – she would allow exploration in and around the South Island at least. If gas is found then Fonterra’s Clandeboye plant could be converted to gas, a big win-win all round. But hey! Clandeboye will probably be redundant when dairying is phased out and NZ is worse off than Venezuela.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:23am
- Dave Mann
  
  The real threat isn’t that we’ll have to import gas, use coal or increase our imports of other fuels.
  
  The real threat is that the cryptocommunists who have siezed control of our country will simply ban certain methods of electricity production altogether without warning, or put severe restrictions on them on a whim without any consultation.
  
  I’m not joking. This pack of arseholes won’t allow the importation of gas if it doesn’t fit their agenda. We’ll just have to start rationing or freeze to death.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    This is what Tom McGuigan as Minister of Electricity did in the Kirk Labour Government. Norm Kirk had told his Ministers that they were not to allow Departments to boss them around. When some Greenie or other complained about the operation of some hydro station, Tom would impose a restriction on its operation. The Assistant General Manager (who could be a real B) would then phone the Superintendent in question (bypassing the food chain) and impose the restriction. After several months the oil bill for Marsden went through the roof (when prices were already high) and Tom was sidelined.
    This was relatively minor – but Jacinda in due course will cop the similar sort of thing big time.
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:22am
holysheet

If a transsexual who used to identify as a woman accuses another transsexual who previously identified as a man of having “raped” him when he was a she…

Whom will the liberal fucktards believe?
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October 11, 2018 8:09am
- Colinxy
  
  Who has the greater melanin count? Was one of them (and only) Muslim?
  
  To win the Oppression Olympics requires intersectionality.
  
  Woman > Man
  Black Man > White Woman
  Black Woman > Black Man
  Black Lesbian Woman > Black Heterosexual Woman
  White Transgender > Black Lesbian Woman
  Black Transgender > White Transgender
  Muslim > Black Lesbian Woman
  
  Who is greater than who between Transgender and Muslim has yet to be resolved. We may know the answer to that whenever this case is resolved: https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/human-rights-application-launched-against-windsor-body-waxing-business-by-transgender-woman-1.3925911#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=2lV42Ii
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:28am
  - Rich Prick
    
    What is it with gender issue attention seekers? Who in their right mind would want to carve a landing strip on that bloke?
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:20am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Must introduce political affiliation in there somewhere.
    
    If you are a Republican Black in the USA, you lose all points for your colour and incur penalties as well. So if you are then disparaged like being called a “house negro” and have your sanity and intelligence mocked on national TV, you are unable to claim racism as by daring to stray off the reservation you go outside the bounds of “acceptable” behaviour and open yourself up to abuse – and you deserve it !
    
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    October 11, 2018 4:21pm
- kowtow
  
  The one with the shortest cock?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:54am
VicParking

Another decision by the Labour Lead (by the nose) government that will not take effect till 2020. Why?
Because know they will all turn to crap so if you implement them close enough to the election the fan will not have spun up fast enough to start throwing the crap around before people vote.
Looking forward to the ‘Loan shark’ borrowing law.
Limiting my Mortgage payments to plus 100% of my loan will save me ten’s of thousands in interest.
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October 11, 2018 8:10am
- Maxx
  
  The negative effects (or lack of any actual benefit) will not be known by the voting public, but they can point to what they have done as the law will be in effect by the time of the elections.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:12am
- Prince
  
  Notice the two differing approaches the ‘mainstream’ media took to the Government media release. TV1 lead their bulletin with it, heralding the end of ‘loan sharks’ and hailing our COL’s wisdom.
  Morning Report interviewed Faafoi and tore him to shreds – why a cap of 100% ? Why 2020 ? etc.
  
  Morning Report has many faults but at least they try to hold all pollies to account.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:42am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes, but Red Radio’s point was that there should be a cap on loan size altogether and that 100% was still much too high. Faafoi sounded pretty sane: ‘100% is a lot better than the 800% some people’s debt currently grows to.’ ‘Capping loans is a step too far’.
    
    ‘Loan sharks’ sure sound nasty, but I expect they deal with many untraceable defaulters and that’s why they need high interest?
    
    I’d like Guyon to start a low-interest loan service using his and his buddies’ money, always happy to write off debt if people just can’t or won’t pay, and never letting debt grow above 20%.
    
    Yeah, right.
    
    We know what happens when people desperate for money have to borrow from people who aren’t ‘loan sharks’ but downright criminals!
    
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    October 11, 2018 1:12pm
- kowtow
  
  There are all sorts of tests on immigrants coming into the country.
  
  Surely if you’re too thick to work out interest loan rates and have problems managing money you’re not really the calibre of immigrant the country should be admitting…….
  …….and likewise to the rip off merchants running those truck shops and loan scams , hardly the cream of the crop.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:17am
Keeping Stock

So why did Trevor Mallard, having cancelled his investigation into Simon Bridges’ expenses leak, then decide to launch his own SECRET inquiry?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/exclusive-speaker-quietly-ordered-inquiry-into-simon-bridges-expenses-leak.html

This smacks of Mallard playing partisan political games, something which he, as Speaker, is supposed to be above. I somehow doubt the already-fragile relationship between National MP’s and Mallard will be improved by this revelation. And once again, it seems that Mallard himself has run off to the media with the story, just as he did with his “stupid little girl” allegation, when he was the only person in Parliament who heard said remark.

It certainly sets the scene for a boisterous time when Parliament resumes next week.
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October 11, 2018 8:10am
- Niz
  
  Yes, was he concerned about the perp’s mental health or not? And if his own enquiry didn’t require the services of a QC, why did the original enquiry need one?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:14am
- Prince
  
  Fascinating. I think Mallard knows either his office or the PM’s were responsible, and is preparing his defences.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:46am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Ah but Whale Oil KNOWS who it is…. ( Somebody said so here yesterday, I don’t frequent that site)
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:14am
    - Paulus
      
      WO is, as usual, all piss and wind.
      
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      October 11, 2018 1:34pm
  - Paulus
    
    But surely Tova O’Brien of the Labour Party knows exactly who leaked it as it was sent/given to her remember.
    
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    October 11, 2018 1:34pm
- Sofia
  
  Due to [Bridges] concerns for the person’s wellbeing, he contacted police on Friday and asked them to look into the issue. Police confirmed to Bridges on Sunday they had identified the source of the message, but would not share the person’s identity due to privacy issues.
  
  So Police took, at the very most, three days to work out who the leaker (and mentally-ill person) is and contacted the person, ensuring their well-being – apparently without the authorised forensic investigation of emails and relevant databases that Mallard’s inquiry involved. So what part, or credibility, can Mallard’s inquiry have?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:50am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Or what credibility can Mallard himself have? Is he actually complying with the true role of the Speaker?
    
    The position of Speaker is high-ranking — the Speaker commands the respect of other members. This is because the Speaker is the member that the House chooses to communicate with the Sovereign on its behalf.
    
    It is important that the elected Speaker is not biased towards any political party. This ensures that every member of Parliament has an equal chance to contribute to debates and take part in other business in the House.
    
    Despite this, the Speaker of New Zealand’s House of Representatives is allowed to maintain links with their political party, but must not show political bias when chairing business in the House. The Speaker must not show either preference or disrespect for any political party, for the Government, or the Opposition. All members of the House must be treated equally.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/visit-and-learn/how-parliament-works/office-of-the-speaker/role-history-of-the-speaker/role-election-of-the-speaker/
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:11am
    - Gravelroad
      
      “Is he (Mallard) actually complying with the true role of the Speaker?”
      No.
      
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      October 11, 2018 12:50pm
holysheet

Preparing for a trip overseas soon. I would like your thoughts on the loading of a credit card so it is in credit. This money is to be for spending on entertainment, food, petrol etc
Is this the best way to spend money and avoid high interest charges?
What to you do?
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October 11, 2018 8:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  I use AirNZ’s OneCard and Qantas pre-paid cash cards when holidaying. It does pay to check ATM fees when using them. Some charge a percentage commission, and others charge a flat fee – which can work out to a large percentage commission if you’re withdrawing smaller amounts.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:16am
  - peterwn
    
    Did that but sill came unstuck. Did not realise the AirNZ card was phased out and unusable and lost my credit card (it was found by a honest person). Being in USA without a credit card was rather like being like Sampson with a crew-cut – the shuttle company at Kahului, Hawaii would not take cash! and Hawaiian Airlines were very suspicious of my $US50 note when paying for bags (you normally stick a credit card into their check-in machines). Fortunately in-laws covered most costs and I reimbursed them when I got back.
    So I now also use a travel card where they give you a spare card with a different number.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:41am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Presuming you have the money (as you state that you would preload the card) why would you then incur interest charges? Surely you would pay off the bill in one go anyway?
  If you want to have a bit of safety why not get a debit card preloaded with the currencies you intend to use? With the dollar sliding this might work out better for you plus give you a back up if anything happened to your credit card.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:17am
  - Jules99
    
    Last time I looked most credit cards charge interest on cash withdrawals from the date you took the money, unlike on purchases where, as you say, the interest only kicks in if you don’t pay the bill off in full. I think your suggestion of a pre-pay international card is a good one.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:23am
- fernglas
  
  Use your credit card but top it up before any interest charges are incurred.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:19am
- Maxx
  
  I did some calculations while ago and came to the conclusion that the amount of money I would save was not worth my time trying to work out what was going to be the best options. I’m not an exchange trader so anything I did to offset this was best guess, and I’ve right as many times as I have been wrong on this.
  This may be different for you and you might like the exercise of working it out. But I figured if I was saving $100 while spending $5k on the holiday, I was best to just enjoy myself.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:19am
- cmm
  
  I normally keep my credit car in credit (just a few bucks) just because I don’t like the idea of getting a millstone around my neck.
  
  You won’t get pinged huge interest by going into debt so long as you pay it back within the first month.
  
  I would be reluctant to put a whole lot of credit in the card because if you somehow get scammed, you might lose that money whereas the debit is normally covered by the bank etc.
  
  Remember you can always log in on web banking and top up your credit card if need be.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:21am
- MCos
  
  I got a card from the ANZ which could be preloaded with a variety of mainstream foreign currencies eg US, UK & some others. Then once overseas it could be used to withdraw cash from ATM machines. The exchange rate didn’t vary once you put the money on the card. More could be added using internet banking.
  Quite handy.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:25am
- dave_c_
  
  Not to forget the ‘conversion rate fees’ charged by most banks and applied to your statement these days.
  I prefer a split between cash and credit card. It is always good to have more than one form of resource in case for example, you lose the card.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:29am
  - BeaB
    
    I agree. And never have the credit card amount converted into NZ dollars when you are paying.
    Take a wad of US dollars and euros, keep in different places so you don’t lose the lot if you are robbed and don’t worry about exchange rates unless you are shifting millions.
    Relax and enjoy the holiday and try to have enough in reserve to payoff the credit card as soon as you get home.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:40am
- VicParking
  
  Get a travel card with a small credit limit. Top up with internet banking. Get a debit card with the a small amount of local currency ($US Yen Pound etc). Top up with internet banking.
  Use travel card to pay for things, used debit card to withdraw local currency.
  This way if you are scammed or lose your cards you wont get fleeced,
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:12am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Nick your Mother in laws…
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:16am
- dime
  
  Never get debit cards. You lose all protections against scams.
  
  Just use normal credit.
  
  Say you take a grand out at an atm just use Internet banking that day to pay it off. The interest will be fuck all anyway.
  
  Just let the bank know what countries you’ll be in on what day. Makes life easier as you won’t trigger any fraud warnings. I’ve had my card not work in Hawaii before cause the bank didn’t know I was there.
  
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  October 11, 2018 11:01am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I have two cards. Cash Passport which is a pain in the arse because reloading take 1 or 2 business days. The other is Loaded for Travel, which works perfectly. Load up to 11 currencies and it is immediate, and at the exchange rate right at that time. These cards are treated as a credit card – sometimes sign, sometime PIN. I prefer to sign, there are too many cameras and shysters ready to harvest your card number and PIN. Been to Alaska twice – stopping at Hawaii there and back. I have never been let down. Cash withdrawals no problem (for tip money) Reload NZ$ into US$ way up in Fairbanks, no problem
  
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  October 11, 2018 5:48pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    https://www.loadedfortravel.co.nz/
    
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    October 11, 2018 5:56pm
redeye

Anyone else catch Winston claiming the Greens weren’t part of the government yesterday.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/the-country/audio/winston-peters-implies-greens-arent-part-of-the-government/
What a bunch of muppets.
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October 11, 2018 8:12am
- Maxx
  
  Well, he’s not wrong. The real question is would the greens pass Winstons values test?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:21am
  - DigNap15
    
    Would any Maori pass his test?
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:25am
    - Maxx
      
      Did he give a speech at their marae? Did they donate to NZF? Then yes.
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:31am
    - VicParking
      
      What for being actual Maori’s
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  So the Greens swallow an enormous rotting dead rat by voting for the Waka-Jumping atrocity, and this is how Peters treats them. Why did they think this time would be any different to the past?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:37am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fucking love to watch the Greens get it up the arse (Minus Prep) everyday by the POS Winston. They deserve each other.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:17am
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The Lundy judgement shows the New Zealand judiciary descending into a depravity not seen since Arthur Thomas was sacrificed to a crooked constabulary.
This is a pyrrhic victory that brings New Zealand into international disrepute.
You heard it here.
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October 11, 2018 8:18am
- fernglas
  
  I know you think the Lundy judgment stinks, but can you identify for us the one particular error that would mean he should be freed?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:21am
  - Notsofast
    
    Yes,
    The judgement relies on lies about petrol use. Everyone understands the maths of petrol use. If Mark Cooper had the guts to say he carried jerry cans as Andrew Tipping did verbally in the 2002 appeal I would give him a leave pass on that, but he took the word of DC Johansen instead.
    
    There was a gore covered jewelry box that disappeared. Morgan said in appeal court that a bangle emerged from this onto the floor of Mark’s car without forensic attachment to the crime scene. The list of lies is endless.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:30am
    - fernglas
      
      That’s two. What is your point about the first? What are the lies?
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:36am
      - Notsofast
        
        The lies were devised for the first trial, by misusing notebooks describing the research.
        They were repeated in the second trial by misusing notebooks describing the research.
        
        The maths show that Lundy used 58 liters of petrol since he last filled.
        This would require him to do 520 kilometers on that amount, including a racetrack style drive averaging 104 km/hour for the last 150 kilometers.
        It is completely impossible, on a racetrack fuel consumption is, across all petrol powered vehicles, 3 times that which the most careful driving consumes.
        He was 30 liters short for this, but judges are lawyers, not mathematicians or scientists.
        Ironically Ellis j from trial one had a BA majoring in maths, but could not intervene with the fools in the jury.
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:07am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Gee, I just did 104 kmph on the Motorway and there wasn’t any ‘racetrack style driving’ required.
        About three months ago I had to go to Napier to see a sick friend
        I left at 1am. With little traffic it was real easy cruising at that speed and higher.
        I certainly wasn’t burning three times my normal fuel rate.
        Your supposition is wrong.
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:17am
      - stephieboy
        
        Notsofast , the CA went into some considerable depth on the fuel consumption issue ( as they did with the complex issue of the brain tissue pathology and other matters ) ,
        
        Here are their conclusions,
        
        “285] First, and obviously, he reports the result of tests carried out on a closed circuit. The circumstances of the tests were therefore very different from those faced by Mr Lundy when he drove back to Palmerston North at speed from Johnsonville on the morning of 30 August. They were achieved by driving hard on a race track, a very different context from driving on the open road. The consumption is approximately three times higher than normal consumption. Second, the results of Mr Robertson’s tests insofar as the reported figure of 36 litres per 100 km is concerned do not fit with the figures achieved by Detective Johanson in the road trips which he recorded in evidence and on which he achieved, hard driving on each occasion, figures of 16.44 litres per 100 km and 13.6 litres per 100 km. These figures were unchallenged in the defence closing. Unlike a race track, these conditions were no doubt similar to those faced by Mr Lundy. The distance between those figures, achieved while driving
        178
        R v Lundy [2015] NZHC 542.
        hard in real on-road conditions, and the closed track result achieved by Mr Robertson are too great.
        [286] We note finally that the figure of 16.1 litres per 100 km, to which Mr Robertson said his hard driving figure would need to be reduced to fit the fuel available for the Johnsonville to Palmerston North journey, is in the vicinity of the figure achieved by Detective Johanson in 17 October 2000.
        [287] For these reasons, we are of the view that the application to adduce the further evidence of Mr Robertson should be declined and we will order accordingly. Otherwise, our conclusion is that there was evidence before the jury on which it was entitled to conclude that Mr Lundy could have made the late night trip between Petone and Palmerston North for the purposes of the murders and return as contended by the Crown. They could also have concluded he would have had sufficient fuel for thetravel that he made the following day, including the fast trip back to Palmerston North from Johnsonville, although as the Crown conceded all along, it would have been tight. That is consistent with the fact that as Mr Lundy said to the police, by the time he had reached Palmerston North the petrol warning device on his car was sounding….”
        
        NZCA 410 BETWEEN MARK EDWARD LUNDY Appellant
        https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/lundy-v-r/at_download/fileDecision
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:17am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Notsofast, surely 104 km/h is not particularly fast, and the fuel usage at a little over 11 litres per 100 km is not that remarkable for even a Falcon at cruising speed.
        
        Why do you say he had to race to average 104 km/h ? Late at night on uncrowded roads outside an urban area, that would seem reasonably easy.
        
        Or is there an error in those numbers ?
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:18am
      - Notsofast
        
        There is a harmonic mean that precludes using 104 as a steady speed. In 2000 there were 5 sets of traffic lights on the route used to average 104, this meant doing speeds of 180 km/hr whenever possible. Mark would say after this was the first time he discovered the leased vehicle had a speed governer. It was shaking to bits. He used the auto transmission as a manual, not relying on torque to change gears.
        The super 8 vehicles are exactly the same. When driven carefully from a to b on civvy street they consume exactly one third the juice they do on the race track.
        Part of Lundy’s plan would require him to have purchased jerry cans of petrol prior on a camera laden forecourt undiscovered by plods. Then to disappear them without trace.
        It would also require him to have concocted the exact calculation later proven by Jonathan Eaton’s research.
        Nah….
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:29am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I see from Stephieboy’s quotes that the Police managed to achieve between 13 and 16 litres per 100 km, but that is rather short of the required 11.1 for Lundy to go the distance he did, is it not ?
        
        58 litres at 13 litres per 100 km is only a little over 440 km travelled; and 16 is even worse, 362 km. I don’t think that a standard Falcon is capable of doing much under 10 even when driven very carefully.
        
        I agree that the racetrack comparisons are useless, but the police open road tests are equally unhelpful if Notsofast’s claim about the distance and fuel usage are correct – even 13L/100 km is not good enough.
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:32am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Further, “harmonic mean !?!” The presence of traffic lights would affect the speed, but it is likely that at least 2 of those were green and possibly all 5 were. Though of course they could also have been all red, we don’t know.
        
        The 3 x calculation is bunk, as is the assertion of having to reach 180 km/h, a steady 120 or so for some distance would bring the average up.
        
        And do rentals have speed governors ? Using the auto as a manual, I guess you can but almost no one ever does unless the car is DSG equipped with steering wheel paddles.
        
        Something doesn’t add up somewhere, not sure if it is the evidence or the assertions.
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:39am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Ironically Ellis j from trial one had a BA majoring in maths, but could not intervene with the fools in the jury.
        
        So it’s ad hominems against the jury now Notsofast, as well as all the lawyers involved, the Police and the judiciary.
        
        Has it actually occurred to you that the jury got it right, and you admirable defence of Lundy has been a waste of time?
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:47am
      - Notsofast
        
        Keeping Stock:
        Ad hominem is a term that does not apply when a man is caged by his peers, he must be released immediately. I have patiently worked through the evidence on this message board, and ignored the ad hominem work against the victim, Mark Lundy. I understand that people in Palmerston North are more comfortable believing he is guilty, but this leaves a thug to possibly offend again. My personal belief from viewing his facebook material is that he has reformed. Lundy never needed to, he was a typical loving family man.
        
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        October 11, 2018 10:05am
      - Swifty
        
        Typical loving family men don’t cavort with dirty girls.
        
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        October 11, 2018 11:10am
    - Chris2
      
      Notsofast – if it was not Lundy, then who did it? Can you point to any other ferocious double-murder of a mother and child, ever committed in NZ for the sake of a simple house burglary gone wrong?
      
      Burglars, when cornered, just want to escape, they don’t put an axe through the head of an eight year-old girl.
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:33am
      - Notsofast
        
        The murders were an accident.
        There was a commission to persuade Lundy to pay money for rootstock, 500k. This was money that a witness with permanant name suppression owed down the chain.
        No one knew Lundy had driven to Petone that day, not even that middleman who was also a good friend. When the person arrived with the persuader machete, it appeared to be a home invasion to Christine Lundy, so she screamed, woke the child. They fought from in front and behind, both getting cloth fibers and unidentified male dna beneath their fingernails. They had to be silenced quickly before the neighbours called the police.
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:49am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        The Falcons/Fairmonts of that era were governed to 180 because their driveshafts couldn’t handle going any faster.
        
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        October 11, 2018 10:47am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Captain, really ? How was that achieved ? I never owned one and I don’t think I ever drove one from that era, and the online references are to the long wheelbase versions (Fairmont/Fairlane) and the Ute where the limit was ECU imposed to prevent harmonic vibrations in the tailshaft breaking it free from the gearbox. The shorter wheelbase Falcon’s possibly diudn’t have it. The XR models did but it was set to 250 kmph.
        
        Interesting, the things you find out.
        
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        October 11, 2018 4:28pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        And unlikely to be able to give a description or pick out of a line up.
        
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        October 11, 2018 8:37pm
  - G152
    
    Well, the time it takes to drive from Petone to Palmerston North should be a starter for 10.
    The digestion rate should be another police claim to be suspected
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:41am
    - Notsofast
      
      Philip Morgan stated in appeal court that Amber Lundy must have eaten at midnight.
      Helen Winklemann said to him
      “You are arguing backwards”.
      She has been rolled by two lawyers who floated to the top.
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:59am
    - VicParking
      
      “Darling are you off to Wellington, let me smear some brains on your shirt to remember me by”
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:17am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Nah he was found guilty over and over and over again by jurisprudence of the vast body of evidence against the murdering, philandering, fraudulent POS.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:22am
  - Notsofast
    
    Bullshit on that diatribe. There is a vast parade of exonerated men who somehow prevailed after a first instance appeal signed off on a pack of filthy lies.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:32am
- holysheet
  
  But you said we should wait for this decision. You had inside info on this and we would be surprised.
  The only surprise is that this decision took so long.
  Now will you let it go and STFU
  
  Yawn…….
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:23am
  - Notsofast
    
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    No. DF can ban me if you can persuade him.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:33am
    - Chris R
      
      If you doubt Lundy’s guilt…do you have any thoughts as to who may be the culprit? Just wondering.
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:49am
      - Notsofast
        
        Chris R, I just posted above or below somewhere.
        Yes, there is a prime suspect, and the police have his dna profile. But they will never respond if you ask.
        
        I would not go there, there is obviously a murderer out there, the plods could not care less.
        
        I believe this case should find another gear now we know the judiciary are involved.
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  You heard it here
  
  Nope. You said it here, and no one is listening.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:23am
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    Don’t vote, it encourages me.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:34am
- Philview
  
  Per the report Lundy had fragments of brain on his jacket. His over the top grieving act and sleeping with hookers doesn’t rouse a lot of sympathy from me for his plight.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:33am
  - Notsofast
    
    You perfect and thoroughly ethical person.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:34am
- GJM
  
  You shouldn’t have you wife’s brains splattered over your shirt…
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:37am
  - Notsofast
    
    Which is the whole point.
    The substance on the shirt was preserved sufficiently that glial cells were allegedly observed. Brain without formalin is degraded in 24 hours, yet the bullshit claims that Lundy fluked air drying, which even that ratbag du Plessis would declare in court is actually the worst method to get an identifiable forensic sample for pathology.
    Mark Cooper agreed that this gunk was not shown to be of human origin. Raynor Asher stated in court this was a missing link. So the substance, if of cellular origin, was PRESERVED.
    
    Remember how long a sausage survives as a viable food.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:56am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Isn’t it a question how that sample got onto the shirt and no where else at all on his clothing ? I think it was alleged that he must have worn a protective suit that presumably was disposed of and never found. So why the little spot getting through, contamination when removing the protective layer, was that the theory ?
    
    The preservation state is another question, but DNA can certainly be extracted from much older samples.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:22am
    - Notsofast
      
      Valid stuff
      In appeal court it was stated and unchallenged by prosecutor Morgan that cow sheep and pig dna were extracted from the sample, but no human dna. Christine’s dna was in the vicinity.
      She did the ironing, and the family used cold water surf. The greasy spot survived the wash, and she rubbed it to disguise, conferring the dna and the smeared in result.
      You heard it here.
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:33am
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

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Salaam Kiwibloggers.

May Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, bless you with goodness.
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October 11, 2018 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  And may your camel’s arse remain as tight as the Prophets’ goats’.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:12am
- VicParking
  
  The woman and the man guilty of unlawful sex (adultery or fornication), flog each of them with a hundred stripes; let not compassion move you in their case in a matter prescribed by Allah if ye believe in Allah and the Last day; and let a party of the believers witness their punishment”. (An-Nur 24: 2).
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:21am
  - kowtow
    
    And let a party of the believers witness their punishment, while spanking each other off.
    
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    October 11, 2018 11:00am
- Rich Prick
  
  “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.”
  
  Always a favourite with our feminist friends.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:32am
cmm

PriNZess wants to stamp out high interest loans by setting a maximum interest level.

Beware unintended consequences: this will just drive the high interest loan industry underground and make the gangs richer.

The reason people get charged high interest rates is to compensate for the risk of never getting paid back. When everything is legal, the risk to everyone can be minimized.

But when it goes underground, the gangs will use criminal enforcement tactics to make sure they don’t lose out. Bad, bad, bad!

Don’t do it PriNZess!
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October 11, 2018 8:27am
- MCos
  
  A long time ago I worked in an office with a guy who moonlighted helping his mate collect unpaid debts.
  They went round to the first unfortunate sod’s house, when he answered the door his mate broke his leg with a baseball bat and then, before arranging medical assistance, made him ring ahead to assure the next people had their money ready.
  
  True story.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:39am
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GROPERS
No. 47: Dominique Strauss-Kahn

A hotel maid who claims she was brutally sexually assaulted by Dominique Strauss-Kahn has settled her civil action against the former IMF chief for an undisclosed sum, in a move that allows her to “move on with her life”, lawyers said. [….]

The lawsuit settled in New York on Monday relates to claims by Nafissatou Diallo, a 33-year-old former housekeeper at the upmarket Sofitel hotel in Manhattan.

She says Strauss-Kahn attacked her on 14 May 2011 as she attempted to clean his room.

Diallo alleges that Strauss-Kahn ran at her naked, molested her and forced her to perform oral sex on him. The claims led to a criminal investigation against the IMF boss last year, and to his house arrest in Manhattan.

But charges of attempted rape, sex abuse, forcible touching and unlawful imprisonment were eventually dropped, with prosecutors citing “substantial credibility issues” with Diallo.

Despite the collapse of a criminal investigation, Diallo continued to pursue Strauss-Kahn through the civil courts, leading to a counter defamation suit by the former IMF head. ….

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/10/dominique-strauss-kahn-case-settled

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11424241/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-accuser-builds-new-life-in-the-Bronx.html

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”); 24 David Lloyd George; 25 James Franco; 26 Joel Kramer; 27 Rene Naufahu; 28 Steve Wynn; 29 Vince McMahon; 30 Rob Porter; 31 The old buffers at Russell McVeagh; 32 Otago law students; 33 Tom Brokaw; 34 David Scott; 35 Justin Trudeau; 36 Morgan Freeman; 37 Hugh Hefner’s guests; 38 Brock Turner; 39 Les Moonves; 40 Asia Argento; 41 [name withheld]; 42 NY subway groper; 43 His Dishonor Brett Kavanaugh; 44 Corey Lewandowski; 45 Brooke Howard-Smith; 46 Dr. Filth McGraw
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October 11, 2018 8:30am
- Tarquin North
  
  You should get out more.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:38am
- sooty
  
  Wanker
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:39am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Did somebody say “wanker”?
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/dam/form-uploaded-images/Max-Key-John-Key-dab-1120.jpg
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      Still living in the past aren’t you?
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:00am
      - sooty
        
        Still flogging his knob as well.
        
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        October 11, 2018 1:01pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  47 Hapukas
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:42am
- Tall Man
  
  You have no right to publish people’s names where there is no proof or court action and even then you should not do this.
  
  Methinks you have a guilt complex, I wonder why.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:49am
  - Morrissey
    
    How much money did Strauss-Kahn pay his victim again? “No proof”? What on earth are you smoking? And, no, I do NOT want any of it.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:53am
    - Tall Man
      
      As the man said…”wanker”.
      
      Sometimes the cost of defending your name exceeds the “bribe” needed to make the lying complainant go away.
      
      Listing people’s names and labeling them “gropers” is an offense and is libelous in my opinion.
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:59am
      - Morrissey
        
        I welcome a lawsuit by Dominique Strauss-Kahn. Perhaps you’d like to be his character witness?
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:20am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  “43 His Dishonor Brett Kavanaugh”
  
  So, in your land, its guilty until proven innocent?
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:21am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck off you defaming cunt. Prince Harry is not a sexual deviant. And nor is 41 Name withheld. And as for Kavanaugh, I hope he sues your arse.
  
  Guys report this fuckwit into oblivion.
  
  Morrisey Breen, who invites female posters to chez breen, unauthorised user of computers, Not of Daisy Cutters. etc etc etc.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:22am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Morris will certainly be on the watch list of those who will not be allowed within cooey of Prince Harry during his upcoming visit this month. ?
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:26am
    - Morrissey
      
      Correct, waikatogirl. I’m neither a prostitute nor a cocaine dealer.
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:34am
  - Morrissey
    
    Someone get a doctor. A psychiatrist, I mean. QUICKLY!
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:32am
- Ed Snack
  
  The Kavanaugh listing is an error. You should not believe trumped up politically inspired smears so easily. Blasey-Ford is a lying perjurer who has benefited financially from her little show and yet has produced zero corroborative evidence.
  
  How about a hall of shame for false accusers next ? You could add Ford to that list for a start, along with Emma Sulzberger and a few others.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:26am
  - Morrissey
    
    A hall of shame for false accusers. Great idea. No. 1 has to be this prick:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErlDSJHRVMA&t=1s
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:37am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Don’t know how much Powell really knew or if he believed what he was told. There was a fair bit of belief in the intelligence agencies that WMD existed in Iraq, and even some interesting suggestions that Saddam himself may have believed that he had some.
      
      I’d certainly add John Brennan to the list, plus Obama and Clinton (and Rice) over the Benghazi attribution to a video when they knew all along it was Al Qaeda.
      
      But maybe that list would get too long too quickly ?
      
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      October 11, 2018 4:38pm
secondcumming

*TROPICAL TRUMP* ?

It looks like Brazil’s extreme right-wing presidential candidate, *Jair Bolsonaro* will easily win in the second round of voting on 28 October. He snapped up a whopping 46% consensus in the first round, just 4% short of an outright victory.

One thing’s for sure, he wont have been visiting the local primary schools in order to drum up support.

Not only is *Bolsonaro* an advocate of the death penalty, he’s also in favor of arming law-abiding Brazilian citizens for their own protection against the burgeoning criminal element infesting the streets.

Here’s just a few of his reported quotes that have really upset some of Brazil’s lefty flakes……

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do9y69HX4AAuYA2.jpg
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October 11, 2018 8:30am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sadly, because this is Brazil, he probably won’t survive very long.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:00am
Salacious Crumb

Alaikem salaam believer.
If Allah is truly merciful and purveyor of peace was he a bit disappointed in his prophet when he committed the slaughter of the Banu Qurayza?
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October 11, 2018 8:31am
- I've been to Mecca and you have not!
  
  I understand the Jewish tribes had signed a peace treaty with the Prophet (Peace be upon him) which they later reneged on at the time that the Meccan army attacked Medina.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
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  Much the same when the Crusaders conquered and occupied Jerusalem ( 1099)massacring its non-Christian inhabitants ( Jews and Muslims) and Saladin reconquering the same ( 1187) and sparing them.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:42am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
    
    Thank you stephieboy for backing me on this blog which hurls the vilest abuse at me!
    
    I’m abused even for wishing bloggers a nice day!
    
    These people are insane! Or Evil! Or Both!!!
    
    Mr Farrar does absolutely nothing to mitigate this. It is obviously his Jewish ancestry at play.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:45am
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      Mr Farrar is a classical liberal who believes in radical free speech including, it seems, the right to abuse and lie.
      
      Courage friend the vile abusers tell us more about themselves and paucity and poverty of their arguments.
      
      I would give a liberal estimate as to their numbers in terms of the voting public at 0.00001%
      
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      October 11, 2018 8:50am
      - pentwig
        
        that is probably why DPF allows you to comment on kiwiblog stupidboy
        ” Mr Farrar is a classical liberal who believes in radical free speech including, it seems, the right to abuse and lie’
        LOL
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:29am
  - kowtow
    
    They weren’t “spared” , they were ransomed .
    Saladin made a lot of money out of the deal.
    Those who couldn’t pay became slaves , and the women sex slaves.
    So much for merciful.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:22am
    - stephieboy
      
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      kowtow, would you prefer to be ransomed or put to the sword?
      
      BTW I understand Saladin allowed Christan pilgrims to enter the city after 1187.
      
      Certainly not the case for Jews and Muslims after 1099
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:25am
      - holysheet
        
        I dunno stooopidboy.
        If I asked your goat if it preferred death to what you do to it on a daily basis, I think it would choose death any day.
        
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        October 11, 2018 11:47am
niggly

“”Greenwashing” is a term used to describe misguided environmental initiatives”.

Hmmm, the term”Greenwashing” seems like an apt nickname for Greenpeace or the Green Party!

(Above quote taken from this article:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/107728375/claim-tesla-batteries-gathered-dust-in-vector-store-room )
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October 11, 2018 8:34am
Paulus

I am interested in the Horald’s front page photo of an experienced Teacher who after 43 years only earns $59,000 and her qualified son earns more than she does because he has a paper from some irrelevant university.
After he many years experience you would have thought that Teachers such as herself would have insisted along with many others that they become a real Profession.
But no, they have been totally controlled by the Unions who are only interested in themselves.
She and many others have been under the thumb of the Unions and now wonders why she only has such a salary after many years of service.
Sadly she and the others in a similar position do not have anybody to blame but themselves.
I try to sound empathetic but really and sadly am not.
No wonder the education of our children is so bad as it is Union promulgated for so many years and is going to get no better.
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October 11, 2018 8:41am
- Biscuit
  
  Paulus, this woman is – presumably – intelligent.
  
  But she is (seemingly voluntarily: I mean she’s been there 43 years!) employed in a profession that is ruled by Unions.
  
  And Unions are only interested in the average worker.
  
  Heaven forbid that a system is put into place whereby those teachers who are provably competent and who meet negotiated KPI targets get pay rises/bonuses commensurate with their skills
  
  And those teachers who are demonstrably duds either get nothing or even negative pay adjustments.
  
  That system retains good teachers – who can see a way ahead – and disadvantages the incompetent ones – who will then be incentivised to find employment elsewhere.
  
  But no, the all-powerful Unions are demanding a pay rise of, what was it? 18%?, for all of the great, the average and the mediocre.
  
  Ludicrous…
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:19am
  - BeaB
    
    She left the union. But for the sake of an extra years study she could have earned about $250,000 more over 20 years (going on her figures) instead of whinging about better qualified teachers earning more than she was.
    I know many women and men teachers who put in the hours to improve their qualifications to get the extra salary. Why didn’t she?
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:44am
    - MCos
      
      Who knows why?
      Does the extra year require the student to physically attend the university or can it be done by correspondence?
      My sister is in a similar situation, but she has never lied anywhere near a main city since she left Dunedin in the early seventies.
      
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      October 11, 2018 10:23am
      - Local Miller
        
        When she was interviewed she said the course she did was reconfigured as a degree course a few years after she graduated, with minimal change in content. Later if you wanted to upgrade to a degree you had to do an extra year of study.
        To me the BS is that, thanks to unionisation, her salary is restricted.
        
        I don’t have a degree, but because I can negotiate my salary based on my 20+ years experience in IT and my ability, I can command a better than average salary.
        
        If schools and teachers were to break with the unions and pay there staff what they were worth, some teachers would earn less, and some more. I bet this lady would command a much better salary, even more than the ~$72,000 she says her son gets. At least she would if she is worth it.
        Go charter schools! Oh, I forget, this unelected screw up of a gubernment scraped charter schools without a mandate and against all evidence that they were successful!
        
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        October 11, 2018 11:37am
      - MCos
        
        That would be ‘lived’ not ‘lied’.
        She lies constantly, but that’s another matter.
        
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        October 11, 2018 11:39am
      - MCos
        
        Doesn’t necessarily work out that way, Local Millar.
        I once worked in an office whereby the owner attracted people to work for him by offering as much as it took to entice them away from their current employment. So there was a number of employees of similar ability with widely differing salaries.
        I would suggest that if there was no salary restrictions for teachers the high decile schools would raise money from their community to make sure they had a full compliment of teachers as they do now with, for example, 1st XV coaches.
        
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        October 11, 2018 12:04pm
- KevOB
  
  She was probably paid as much as she was worth.
  
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  October 11, 2018 5:55pm
igm

So the harridan and its sycophants are going to stop companies buying land where they desire.
Wake up you SLG, your filthy CoL have driven investors away from NZ already, you are fast heading this country into financial oblivion.
There is no confidence in the retail market in any shape or form and before long there will be mass unemployment . . . how will you pay their benefits?
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October 11, 2018 8:43am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Ah, that I can answer: by taxing your wealth, such as property and shares. Cullen detailed it in his recent tax report.
  
  CGT will work nicely if we have vast inflation: a modest house will increase in dollar value (though not in real value) and the government will tax a slice.
  
  Robin Hood mentality.
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:31pm
secondcumming

This from a friend of my missus last night……

“A dick must lead a really sad life.
His hairs a mess, his family is nuts, his neighbors an arsehole, his best friends a pussy, and his owner beats him”

Funny, but true 🙂
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October 11, 2018 8:43am
- Morrissey
  
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  Was she talking about Jordan Williams?
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:44am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Is that you, Jordan? Whaleoil called: have you made his bed and cleaned his office yet?
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:19am
EAD_TWO

Nothing to add here:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2018/10/an-open-message-to-chris-rock.html?m=1

Dear Chris Rock,

Its true. We’ve built the most prosperous, civilized, and free societies the planet has ever known. We’ve also improved the quality of life for the entire planet with our inventions and work ethic. The countries we build are so great, in fact, that nearly all of the planets 6 billion so called “minorites” want to come here and mooch off our generous welfare systems. The allure of our clean, safe, and wealthy countries apparently overpowers any notions of hatred these minorities feel for us.

We are even so kind (or stupid, but that’s a separate topic) that we allow you to stay in our country and use our infrastructure, schools, and media platforms to complain about how terrible we are. Most of the things that make modern life possible were invented and built by white people, including your ability to complain about us. Your right to do so without fear of government recrimination? Also invented by white people. Try going down to Mexico, to a Mexican college, and getting your anti Mexican screed published in their university newspaper.

We are also pretty good at warfare. The best, actually. When you minorities get pissed off, you destroy some cars, maybe burn down a city block or two. But, you always make sure to do it FAR away from white people, especially white people of a certain type, because you know we won’t tolerate it. Whites, on the other hand, will burn an entire country, or even continent to the ground if pushed. Personally, I wish we did less of that kind of thing, but we ARE really good at it, and that’s also a separate issue.

If you are so concerned about whatever culture you come from getting erased by white people, why do you insist on living among us? If we are so terrible, and such a threat to your culture, shouldn’t you go back to wherever it is your people come from? You should. But, you don’t, and won’t. You won’t admit this, but these problems you bitch about are far outweighed by your desire to live in one of our countries. In white societies, third worlders are provided with a far higher standard of living than your countries and people are capable of providing for themselves, and you all know it. But, like a growing number of white people, I’m tired of listening to you complain about us while squatting in our country.
[Courtesy comment on Zero Hedge]
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October 11, 2018 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
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  EAD TWO, non-whites ( including Pacifica peoples) come to live here for a host of complex reasons. One of the main ones is to make a better life for themselves and children etc. Recalling also that whites are not the original inhabitants of Aotearoa New Zealand.
  
  Again it is pertinent to ask Chris Rock ( and of course yourself ) how do White Jews fit into this conundrum you both have stirred up?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:59am
Fletch

Repeated in the news this morning is the idea that NZ has a low business rating because of political bias. It’s only because Labour are in power that it’s bad….lol

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-colmar-brunton-research-finds-business-confidence-politically-biased
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October 11, 2018 8:51am
- The Heat
  
  “Clearly, there is a historical alignment between business pessimism and the presence of a Government with Labour at its core.”
  
  Well duh.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:53am
- DigNap15
  
  Business tend to be pro National and Unions are pro Labour.
  These are basic facts that will never change.
  
  The thing is that at the moment business confidence is falling steadily and that will be bad for us all.
  
  The other “fact” is that Labour is bad for all of NZ, and always will be.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:57am
- VicParking
  
  Just look at the graphs here from 2015, they sum up what labour does to the enconomy.
  Look at the last few years of the last govt and the first years of nationals
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/68757194/budget-2015-an-idiots-guide
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:35am
- Harkman
  
  Firstly while business hates Labour, if Labour score a neutral score the economy will grow alright. But a negative score like this will impact on growth. This is what was left out. Colmar-Brunton and Ganesh “rent an economist” Nana just lied their arses off last night. There is all the evidence you’ll ever need of One’s bias.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:39am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The left believe it is all political bias, not distrust of Labour has everything to do with their crap industrial relation policies. Scare business and then wonder why they don’t respond. The COL are running the crazy train on ideology not business acumen.
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:12am
    - igm
      
      Business acumen is something none of the leeching left understand. They are a typical line-up of bludging worthless envious losers whose sole aim is to totally stuff NZ economy.
      
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      October 11, 2018 10:17am
    - Niz
      
      I wonder if they’ve considered that it might be bitter experience rather than bias.
      
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      October 11, 2018 10:34am
    - Jazzby
      
      I’m not sure that they’re running on even ideology now: more like headless chooks who don’t know what to do next. But what else could one expect from a pack of low-wattage brains, led by a student agitator?
      
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      October 11, 2018 6:16pm
  - KevOB
    
    How could business confidence not be affected by a govt which cancels Taranaki? They have shown their lack of capability and sense. Expectations accordingly.
    
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    October 11, 2018 5:58pm
DigNap15

Our leader

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12140341
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October 11, 2018 8:53am
- Tall Man
  
  Not mine.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:06am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Yes, she is, you democracy-hating thug.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:26am
    - Tall Man
      
      Oooh, “thug”……
      
      I’m mortified.
      
      She is not and never will be our leader. She is the front person for Winston and doesn’t have a single idea of her own that is worth a bean.
      
      If I actually gave a shit about pathetic sycophants like yourself I’d try to educate you but as I don’t…I won’t.
      
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      October 11, 2018 10:08am
      - Morrissey
        
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        I’m not a sycophant for her or Labour. But she and her government, for all its faults, are so superior to the nine years of neglect and incompetence that preceded it, that you and your fellow radical rightists will be suffering for many years to come.
        
        She’s popular everywhere. Noise on Kiwiblog and Whale Oil doesn’t constitute anything other than a few dozen noisy malcontents.
        
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        October 11, 2018 10:17am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well morris minor, “popular everywhere”.
        
        P is more popular and probably better for your health than a Winston first economy, but then, as a dickhead, you wouldn’t even start to comprehend that would you?
        
        Social media is not the world, it is a small group of dickheads like yourself all telling each other how cute and smart they were because the tooth fairy is real and soooo nice.
        
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        October 11, 2018 11:05am
      - kowtow
        
        “She’s popular everywhere”
        
        Bwa hahahahaa.
        
        Kowtow has recently taken to checking the comment section of stuff stories (yeah I know) on the swingeing petrol taxes and by golly if they’re anything to go by this gubmint will be in shitsville come the next general election.
        
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        October 11, 2018 11:10am
      - Local Miller
        
        Morris: “you and your fellow radical rightists will be suffering for many years to come”
        
        You are partly right here, we will be suffering for years to come, but from what this Liebour Gubernment is doing, not from what the Nats did.
        
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        October 11, 2018 11:49am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Popular everywhere just shows how having so much dedicated propaganda can still work. She’s “popular” because people don’t know how vapid she really is.
        
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        October 11, 2018 4:41pm
- lifesgood
  
  Of course she’s not engaged. Helen would have warned her of the misery of a fake marriage. The baby was just for publicity and deflection purposes.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:11am
  - Colinxy
    
    An engagement, “whirlwind romance” and a “royal” wedding will be timed for the 2020 general election.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:43am
    - sooty
      
      Another baby as well?
      
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      October 11, 2018 1:07pm
Hugh Pavletich

Why you have (probably) already bought your last car … Justin Rowlett … BBC News

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45786690

I’m guessing you are scoffing in disbelief at the very suggestion of this article, but bear with me.

A growing number of tech analysts are predicting that in less than 20 years we’ll all have stopped owning cars, and, what’s more, the internal combustion engine will have been consigned to the dustbin of history.

Yes, it’s a big claim and you are right to be sceptical, but the argument that a unique convergence of new technology is poised to revolutionise personal transportation is more persuasive than you might think.

The central idea is pretty simple: Self-driving electric vehicles organised into an Uber-style network will be able to offer such cheap transport that you’ll very quickly – we’re talking perhaps a decade – decide you don’t need a car any more. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 11, 2018 8:56am
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe for you but certainly not for me and most of the rest of the world. A trip to the supermarket to grab a few essentials, “sorry, no car available for you at the moment as all local vehicles are on loan to your neighbours at the hairdressers”.
  
  How about a quick trip to Taupo for a weekend, “sorry, all vehicles in your vicinity have low battery levels and cannot make the journey, please check next month”.
  
  Not going to happen.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:05am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Travelling with kids (car seats!!!, blankets, spare clothes, nappy bags, foods and drinks etc)
  Travelling with a big dog?
  Taking your gym gear or sports gear or wet weather gear with you to work?
  Going for a kayak or a bike ride or a paddle board etc…
  Day at the beach or a picnic with cooking equipment or other play stuff?
  Carting along the supermarket reusable bags in case you need to stop at supermarket?
  
  It’s just not going to work for anyone with pets, kids or sports or other outdoors interests.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:27am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Most of NZ.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:06pm
- graham
  
  Half the tradesmen who come to my place (rural Auckland) ring up lost because their GPS can’t find us … love to see the driverless car get around that.
  
  Not to mention watching it cope with gravel roads …
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:28am
- cmm
  
  “A growing number of tech analysts are predicting that in less than 20 years we’ll all have stopped owning cars”
  
  Those same tech analysts assured us in the 1960s that we’d all have flying cars and moon holidays before 2000. Still not happening.
  
  Back in the 70s and 80s those same tech analysts were talking about all the stuff artificial intelligence & robotics would be doing within 20 years. Still not happening.
  
  And peak oil. And electric everything. And super conductors…
  
  Look at any street scene in NZ. It looks identical to 25 years ago, except for people carrying around cell phones. Come back in another 25 and it will still look the same.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:45am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I have a wonderful old book, Whites Aviation aerial photos of all NZ towns, published in 1960.
    On the last page there is a map showing a non-stop air route between Auckland and London taking only 12 hours, which they say would be happening ‘within a decade’.
    They missed that target by about as much as these autonomous car geeks are going to miss theirs.
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:38am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Haha, and they didn’t even consider the additional hours we now have to spend for security checks because of bloody terrorists!
      
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      October 11, 2018 1:41pm
    - cmm
      
      Well the Concorde can do the distance in less than 9 hours in the air but would need two refuelling stops.
      
      But your point is well taken, people who think we’re going to have ubiquitous self-driving cars are naive. They just don’t understand how challenging it is.
      
      I did some artificial intelligence post-grad work in the mid 1980s and we have hardly moved from there (except for some small incremental improvements due to having faster computers etc).
      
      I also worked on automated steering in the early 2000s. It is easy in a very well constrained environment (which is why we have things like autopilots for planes), but controlling vehicles through chaotic cities is a nightmare. Humans do way, way, better.
      
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      October 11, 2018 2:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Captain Mainwaring, manifesting Petrol Heads anixety and paranoia?
      
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      October 11, 2018 2:37pm
  - KevOB
    
    I will make my prediction that in 10 years cars will nuclear powered. Electricity will also be supplied by home power plants too.
    
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    October 11, 2018 6:02pm
- Colinxy
  
  It might take more than twenty years, but the implications of the dominance of the self-driving car will definitely change driving attitudes.
  
  I suspect car-ownership will drop. Maybe not to zero but a significant proportion of the population will forego the expense. There’s even a attitude change to car ownership with the millennial generation. Compared to previous generations they appear to be slower to get their driver’s license…if at all.
  
  See: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/19/drivers-licenses-uber-lyft/78994526/
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:49am
  - cmm
    
    “There’s even a attitude change to car ownership with the millennial generation.”
    
    I suspect that has far more to do with the internet/social media than self driving cars.
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:39am
    - Colinxy
      
      My point is that cars are less important to the newer generations.
      
      Add that into self driving cars (whenever they actually become available) and I suspect personal automobile ownership will drop substantially.
      
      Personally, I’d rather own a self driving car than hire one.
      
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      October 11, 2018 12:01pm
      - cmm
        
        Yup and the reason they are less important is that they can socialise without even leaving their bedrooms.
        
        Also these days helicoptering parents will take teens (and older) anywhere they want any time. When I was that age we were expected to fend for ourselves and mum/dad were too busy.
        
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        October 11, 2018 2:29pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Who would want to use a car that had been travelled in by the plebeian classes. Even worse than going on a bus or train.
    
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    October 11, 2018 11:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      rangitoto, what on earth makes you think that you’re a Patrician?
      
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      October 11, 2018 2:39pm
- cmm
  
  The problem with the shared car model is that it is based on the broken assumption that cars are only used a few hours a day and thus, by sharing them, we can make more use of the same car.
  
  Great, except we all want the car at the same time.
  
  We all want to go to work/take the kids to school/go home/whatever at the same time.
  
  If Pete has already taken the car to go home, then Mike is going to have to wait until Pete has been dropped off and the car gets back. Tonight Pete only gets home at 7.30.
  
  We all want to go to the beach/on holiday/whatever at the same time.
  
  Secondly we want our private cars because, frankly, shared cars are going to get messed up. Fred takes his huge messy dog to the beach and Steve has to put up with a sandy/slobbered car. Hugh goes on a hunting trip – oops, blood on the carpet!
  
  As for self driving cars…. still way further off than people think.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:59am
- Local Miller
  
  And I need one to tow my boat, and sometimes the caravan, and the trailer when I have garden or building stuff I need to collect or dump, etc…
  
  Anyone who seriously believes we won’t own cars in 20 years has really not thought this through.
  
  I may buy into the idea that my kids generation is the last one that will be required to get a drivers licence]. I estimate that by the time my grand kids are old enough to drive, self driving cars may be good enough that you can opt to get a full licence or only ever be driven. But they will generally still want their own cars.
  
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  October 11, 2018 11:56am
DigNap15

Not only that but electric vehicles are very expensive.
Whereas they should be far cheaper.
A lot less parts.
They are having us on!
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October 11, 2018 9:09am
- cmm
  
  We’re really good at making car parts after a hundred years of doing it. That’s why cars are cheaper and more reliable than any time in history.
  
  EVs are expensive to make because the batteries are expensive. They’re relatively heavy and need more beefy suspension etc.
  
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  October 11, 2018 10:01am
  - DigNap15
    
    Ok, thanks for that!
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:15am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And wait until they have to pay their share of road user charges.
      
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      October 11, 2018 10:41am
  - Ed Snack
    
    however with development and engineering advances, electric cars may one day be the mainstream.
    
    There are still significant developments needed – battery technology especially, but it is possible that in 20-30 years they may become as cheap as and as long-ranged as the internal combustion competitors. they may even have an environmental impact as low as an IC car rather than one nearly twice as large.
    
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    October 11, 2018 5:27pm
Manolo

Jeepers!
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/10/us-markets-bond-yields-and-data-in-focus.html

Stocks sank on Wednesday as a steep decline in tech shares and worries of rapidly rising rates sent Wall Street on pace for its worst day in months.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed 820 points lower as Intel and Microsoft fell more than 3.5% each. The Nasdaq Composite plummeted 4%.
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October 11, 2018 9:10am
- Jules99
  
  Interesting to see the media for some time has been talking down the market, but it stays stubbornly high in Trump’s America.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:29am
  - stigie
    
    Twice in the last 3 months iv’e heard Sweet Cheeks tell parliament with a gushing arrogant smile that the NZX has never been higher..?
    Does the prick think we are suckers, the NZX was at it’s highest last year when National were governing but you didn’t hear them crowing about it as to tell the public…aren’t we good !~
    Sweet Cheeks needs to get a grip if it’s all possible..?
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:17am
    - rangitoto
      
      Even if the NZ dollar value was the same. It has tanked in US$ terms.
      
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      October 11, 2018 11:54am
    - marcw
      
      At the moment, over the last calendar year the NZX is down 10.92%, over this year down 5.36%, and over the last month down 4.50%.
      
      More Ardern lies.
      
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      October 11, 2018 12:41pm
DigNap15

Time to cut all government funding to universities until they are more right leaning than left.
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October 11, 2018 9:14am
EAD_TWO

LOL❗❗❗

To combat the hysteria from those who control the MSM that they are not “Nazis”, the AFD have launched a “Jewish Wing”.

It’s been only a few hours since the Jewish wing of the AfD was formed, and already the AfD has changed its policy from stopping Muslim immigration to stopping immigration of Muslim men when they hold “anti-Semitic views”

Doesn’t matter if ancient Germany is turned into a South African type country with a persecuted white minority – ruled over as long as the Africans didn’t hold the wrong views about the Jews.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-far-right-afd-officially-launches-jewish-wing-drawing-outcry/

Germany’s far-right party AfD on Sunday launched a “Jewish” group within its ranks, which it says will battle against mass immigration of Muslim men with anti-Semitic views
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October 11, 2018 9:17am
- EAD_TWO
  
  I bet you the downtickers are just itching to label the Times of Israel as “Nazi Propaganda” ??
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Wrong, EADolf. Nice try to confuse people but you don’t understand the AfD.
    
    1. The Times of Israel is just ordinary left-wing badly informed MSM, misinforming the world about the AfD. This isn’t because the ToI is Jewish but because it is using the same crappy MSM misinformation about the AfD that we have spread before us in NZ.
    
    The AfD is neither ‘far-right’ nor antisemitic.
    
    Just one example: ‘Another leading AfD politician, Bjoern Hoecke, has criticized the sprawling Holocaust memorial in Berlin, branding it a “monument of shame.”’
    
    He didn’t say a ‘monument of shame’ but ‘a monument of *our* shame’. But worldwide the MSM lied about what he had said.
    
    Hoecke and Gauland clearly feel as bad as all Germans about the holocaust, but their point is that there is more to German history and culture that *also* should get some attention.
    
    2. The Jewish wing of the AfD sees the threat of islamism against western culture, German culture and Jewish Germans, who are a centuries-old part of German culture.
    
    The AfD remains strongly opposed to islamist extremism, porous borders and the loss of German culture. Read https://www.afd.de/zuwanderung-asyl/
    
    ‘The AfD fully recognizes freedom of belief, conscience and faith. However, it demands that the exercise of religion be restricted by law.
    
    A defamation of rational critique of religion as “Islamophobia” or “racism” is opposed by the AfD. We want to prevent Muslims from radicalizing themselves to violent Salafism and terror.’
    
    And https://www.afd.de/alexander-gauland-die-eigentliche-bedrohung-juedischen-lebens-in-deutschland-ist-die-masseneinwanderung-radikaler-muslime/
    
    ‘Alexander Gauland: The real threat to Jewish life in Germany is the mass immigration of radical Muslims’
    
    You’re not going to create antisemitism here because the ToI is copying the general MSM incorrect view of the AfD.
    
    Nor because the AfD and its Jewish wing point out the antisemitism of islamists!
    
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    October 11, 2018 2:32pm
Fletch

The Washington Examiner’s Beckett Adams on how partisan and unprofessional the media were during the Kavanaugh confirmation process.

Taken separately, a fair-minded person could say the authors of these and still more unfairly anti-Kavanaugh reports were merely ignorant or sloppy. But taken all together – and mind you, this doesn’t even include the commentaries – it paints a far more damaging picture for some of the nation’s most prestigious and vaunted newsrooms.

From the smaller errors to the more egregious ones (like NBC’s decision to air the Swetnick interview), there’s only one thing that ties all the awful reporting together. Every single story worked against Kavanaugh, as if with a unity of purpose intended to ensure that he would never be given a fair chance to clear his good name and reach the Supreme Court.

Kavanaugh has a lifetime appointment now, which may or may not be worth what he had to put up with to get it. But the clear victim here is the credibility of the news media itself, which has suffered far more damage than any number of attacks by President Trump could inflict upon it.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/when-it-comes-to-fighting-fake-news-the-brett-kavanaugh-battle-showed-major-newsrooms-are-all-talk
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October 11, 2018 9:18am
- Paulus
  
  Imagine who would have been appointed if Hillary had won ?
  Some left handed lesbian who had diverted towards he husband and who who had f…ed with Bill.
  
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  October 11, 2018 2:00pm
- Ed Snack
  
  They were so uniform because they were merely writing what they were being directed and paid to write and publish. They are quite simply a relatively radical arm of the Democrat party these days, the old idea of an objective reporting stance is simply lost on them.
  
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  October 11, 2018 5:29pm
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Howler of the Day
No. 7: RF

“I am struggling to express my outrage at the whoring of the baby by Ardern.
Ardern is a self centered stupid fuking idiot that is becoming worse every time she open her wide yap.
…ad absurdum”

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/general_debate_10_october_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2329984

Howler of the Day is a series designed to highlight the most deranged, crazed, bizarre, paranoid, stupid, mindless, ignorant posts on the Internet. It is compiled by Hector Stoop, for Daisycutter Sports, Inc.

1: Chris R (“Brash is NOT a bigot”);  2: Lucia Maria (“No need to read”); 3: DigNap15 (“Trump comes across as a very caring guy”); 4: UpandComer (“Clintons…murder…sex crimes…ritually satanically sacrificed…); 5 realityczech (“Brash, Hosking, …. see Maori as equals”); 6 Gosman (“The US has invaded relatively few countries since 1945.”)
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-10-10-2018/#comment-1533884
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October 11, 2018 9:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Seems that Morris Minor’s earlier post about the Gropers has vanished already. It didn’t even last half an hour,
  Why does the idiot bother?
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:37am
  - Morrissey
    
    “Vanished”, Cap’n? I think not.
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/10/gropers-no-47-dominique-strauss-kahn.html
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:40am
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      And long may it’s confinement be!
      
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      October 11, 2018 2:11pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    That explains why my reply to Morris didn’t even make it to the screen when I posted it. ?
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:44am
    - Morrissey
      
      It’s been well and truly internalised by moi, waikatogirl. Don’t you worry about that!
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:48am
    - Morrissey
      
      That censored exchange went thus:
      
      the lovelywaikatogirl: Morris will certainly be on the watch list of those who will not be allowed within cooey of Prince Harry during his upcoming visit this month. ?
      Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0REPLY REPORTOCTOBER 11, 2018 9:26AM
      
      BREEN: Correct, waikatogirl. I’m neither a prostitute nor a cocaine dealer.
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:54am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    But now all his shit has come back!
    Obviously the dumping only lasts a few hours and then we have to put up with his shit again.
    I think I’ll take the dog for a walk.
    
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    October 11, 2018 12:56pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Ha ha ha ha ha! Love ya, Cap’n! You may be a cantankerous ol’ cuss, but you can write very well indeed.
      
      Would you be interested in coming over to Chez Breen to discuss a possible role at Daisycutter Sports Inc?
      
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      October 11, 2018 5:41pm
- graham
  
  Howler of the YEAR: The Breen Report, DEAKER-WATCH
  
  I am not going to quote it, or link to it, but will simply say that deliberately encouraging people to drive someone to suicide is just plain sick.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:40am
  - Morrissey
    
    But you’ve just piqued everyone’s interest in it. I’m not going to quote it, or link to it, but will simply say that photos of my naked wife are on the internet and can be found with a few clicks.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:42am
    - graham
      
      I’ll say it as many times as it needs to get through to you:
      
      Deliberately encouraging people to drive someone to suicide is just plain sick.
      
      If you truly think it’s appropriate in any way, you need help.
      
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      October 11, 2018 3:20pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        As far as I know encouraging someone to commit suicide is actually illegal. Any lawyers here prepared to assist? If so please report this fuck to the cops so we can be rid of his insane ramblings….
        
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        October 11, 2018 5:47pm
      - Morrissey
        
        rightoverlabour, keep your eyes peeled. You’re the star act in tomorrow morning’s edition of Howler of the Day.
        
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        October 11, 2018 5:56pm
- Harkman
  
  Found the Labour groper and put them at the top of your list yet?
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:42am
  - Morrissey
    
    It’s on the way, my friend, it’s on the way.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:43am
  - Paulus
    
    Surely we Wood if we could chop in the Woods.
    But carefully as the Defence if it comes to Court would say that the media have exploited the Sub Judice rules so no trial in March.
    
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    October 11, 2018 2:03pm
- Ed Snack
  
  And number 8, Morrisey hisself !
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:44am
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/10/smacking-kids-is-not-acceptable-it-s-barbaric.html

The linking of a smack to two violent and abusive assaults is crap.

With this dickhead’s logic we should ban maori from alcohol as most assaults by maori are while under the influence of alcohol.

We need to remove cars from our roads as most road deaths are linked to a car.

We should remove all fire starting equipment from society as most arsons are started with fire starting equipment.

We should stop people from knowing each other as most sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone known to the victim.

Finally, we should remove all people from the planet as all crimes are committed by people.

There, job done.
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October 11, 2018 9:26am
- Morrissey
  
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  Yes, why should we listen to doctors, nurses, teachers, child experts?
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:39am
  - DigNap15
    
    We shouldn’t but we get them rammed down our throats!
    Doctors excepted!
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:54am
    - Morrissey
      
      “Rammed down our throats”.
      
      Could someone fetch Dr. Freud, please?
      
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      October 11, 2018 9:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      DigNap5, so next time you get admitted to the Emergency Department you will insist that a cleaner or a porter treats you?
      
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      October 11, 2018 2:43pm
      - Morrissey
        
        ACT doctrine would have unqualified “doctors” and “nurses” in our hospitals, in the same way they would have destroyed our schools with unqualified, low-paid “teachers” if they could have.
        
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        October 11, 2018 6:01pm
SaltyCroc

I got an insight into the blind love for Jacinda yesterday. I was talking to a lovely old lady and happened to mention the government. She then told me how much she loved Jacinda. After overcoming my shock I explained a few things about the state of the country as many others currently saw it, and that Jacinda didn’t seem to have much of a clue as to what she was doing. The reply I got – “But she is loved in America.” I asked how this conclusion was reached – the reply I got was “Didn’t you see it on the news? They love her.” Oh God I thought – the propaganda of our MSM news is working well, and these people get to vote with this blind logic! I walked away convinced that we are screwed for all time!
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October 11, 2018 9:28am
- Morrissey
  
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  She’s popular. Eat your heart out.
  
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  October 11, 2018 10:14am
  - SaltyCroc
    
    She certainly needs to be given credit for controlling the group think in this country – you must be a very proud disciple.
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:24am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    So was Key but he did a lot of shit that left me cold. Is there anything you would openly criticise about Ardern and her ship’o’fools Morrissey or are you just like ztev & Snarquess?
    
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    October 11, 2018 12:47pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I am on record criticizing Ardern and most of her ministers at various times. However, I criticize her actions, or lack of actions—I don’t criticize her for being beautiful and young, as 99 per cent of the crazies who abuse her here and on Whale Oil do. And I’m not insanely envious of Clarke Gayford either.
      
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      October 11, 2018 6:00pm
      - SaltyCroc
        
        Good for you Morrissey – her actions are highly questionable but her personal appearance is irrelevant. We’ll hold you to account and we know you will do likewise to us.
        
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        October 11, 2018 7:19pm
      - Morrissey
        
        It’s been a while, Crocodile. Keep in touch, my friend.
        
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        October 11, 2018 7:23pm
  - KevOB
    
    Probably get top dollar in Prudhoe Bay.
    
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    October 11, 2018 6:06pm
- Inandout
  
  I was talking to a guy this week who said those things about Jacinda almost word for word. He said he was liking Jacinda more and more, and I do know he has no fibre so watches TVOne almost exclusively for the ‘news’. He said ‘she took the US by storm and got ‘everyone to like us’. I didn’t bother arguing the point if he has no other news source.
  
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  October 11, 2018 12:35pm
krazykiwi

I’m travelling so can’t format my comment, but this article is well worth further comment. http://nzh.tw/12140112. Left bias in our universities.
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October 11, 2018 9:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  n 1969 the hugely influential American sociologist Seymour Lipset surveyed over 60,000 academics in multiple fields about their political views and found almost half identified as liberal while only a quarter identified as conservative.
  
  Follow up studies in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s showed an intensifying swing to the left. This trend took a sharp turn further left in the 2000’s. Research from this period found that barely 12 per cent of American university professors identified as Republican.
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  The clear evidence of significant and sustained left wing academic bias is deeply troubling. First, universities are the training ground for tomorrow’s leaders. Universities constantly remind us of the importance of “higher” education to open minds and critical thinking. How can you possibly get a “complete education” when almost all your teachers think one way?
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  The evidence (note: empirical data over six decades) clearly demonstrates universities are anything but intellectually diverse or rigorous or encouraging of critical enquiry. They are overwhelmingly dominated by faculty who share a depressingly homogeneous and unremittingly left-wing view of the world.
  
  Well said Alex Davis.
  
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  October 11, 2018 12:17pm
  - marcw
    
    I think Obama was the first of these “tomorrow’s leaders”. Academic, no real business experience, lived his life in a bubble of entitlement, surrounded by like minded sycophants. Trump is now repairing the result.
    
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    October 11, 2018 12:49pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You don’t think Trump has lived his life in a ‘bubble of entitlement’?
      
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      October 11, 2018 5:49pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Idiot you are.
      
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      October 11, 2018 6:02pm
Hugh Pavletich

… How prepared are you for ‘normal’ interest rates ? …

Fed on path to ‘normalisation’; US Federal deficit jumps by a third; US home loan rates breach 5%; China expands TBTF resilience; equity markets tumble; UST 10yr at 3.23%; oil down, gold holds; NZ$1 = 64.7 USc; TWI-5 = 68.8 | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/96282/fed-path-normalisation-us-federal-deficit-jumps-third-us-home-loan-rates-breach-5-china

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… While the Fed may not be artificially stimulating the American economy, Congress certainly is and at a faster rate. US Federal deficit for the full year to September has come in at an enormous -US$900 bln, 35% higher than the -$665.8 bln in the previous budget year. The political will to control these exploding deficits has evaporated. For perspective, the US federal deficit has risen from -3.4% of GDP in the year to September 2017, to -4.3% in the year to September 2018. This debt binge is unprecedented, accentuated by large corporate tax cuts. At the current rate of deficit spending it will be -5.5% of GDP in twelve months, and rising. Almost certainly it is past a sustainable rate with interest payments now taking a bigger slice of their spending than even what is spent on Defence. And of course, rising interest rates just exposes the issue to a bigger, earlier shock. Confidence could leak away quickly when markets take fright. … read more via hyperlink above …

… via above …

Mortgage Applications Decline in Latest MBA Weekly Survey | Mortgage Bankers Association

https://www.mba.org/2018-press-releases/october/mortgage-applications-decline-in-latest-mba-weekly-survey

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… The average contract interest rate for 30-year fixed-rate mortgages with conforming loan balances ($453,100 or less) increased to its highest level since February 2011, 5.05 percent, from 4.96 percent, with points increasing to 0.51 from 0.49 (including the origination fee) for 80 percent loan-to-value ratio (LTV) loans. The effective rate increased from last week. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 11, 2018 9:37am
- Harkman
  
  If America catches a cold, we will die.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:43am
DigNap15

If National get back in they need to start a reprogramming of our society.
Make universities more right leaning
Make schools and teachers right leaning.
Make TVNZ more right leaning tomorrow or sell it.
So that we start breeding more right leaning people.
Just cut their funding till they tow the line.
It has to be done.
Along with stopping the dpb feral breeding program
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October 11, 2018 9:40am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  They won’t. They know they only have to be less shit than Labour which is generally where they sit at present.
  
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  October 11, 2018 12:48pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I don’t think a government should ‘make’ anyone more right/left leaning. Just stop funding the media, which isn’t the government’s job, and keep political hands off anything that isn’t a basic, limited government function, including protecting freedom of speech.
  
  Limited government will give lower taxes and people can use donations and clubs to fund what they want from media, using freedom of speech.
  
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  October 11, 2018 2:46pm
logan0312

Just to start a fight with all the atheists here 🙂

All belief systems (‘religious’ in the traditional sense, and secular belief systems) appeal to the intrinsic religious nature of man. We all operate within ‘value hierarchies’ as Jordan Peterson would have it. We act because we believe in something, not because we fully understand that thing. I act because I believe, not because I know. We all place some form of trust (faith) in something outside of ourselves and our personal experience and act in accord with that trust/belief system. We are therefore all religious in some sense.

After that the only question that remains is whether the particular belief system is adequate for purpose; does it provide a proper basis for structuring our lives, and how does it stack up against other competitive belief systems? That in essence is the only question that matters.
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October 11, 2018 9:40am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “appeal to the intrinsic religion nature” bollocks. We all have articles of faith. Most atheists just have an article of faith that life and existence are good and worth doing for the enjoyment they bring – the alternative is suicide which ends that line of thinking pretty quickly. Being good and decent in your treatment of other people brings all sorts of benefits from a game theory analysis (as they are likewise good to you). And societies that generally practice the golden rule (treat others as you would like to be treated) strongly outperform the ones that don’t. Religions just codify rules of interaction (and economics) that derive from evolution and game theory developed over thousands of years of competition with societies having different rules of interaction.
  
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  October 11, 2018 10:35am
  - logan0312
    
    But your own comments support my viewpoint.
    As you say ‘atheists … have an article of faith…’. It is an appeal to our intrinsic religious nature, just one that disavows (without proof) the existence of an external and eternal Diety.
    Your reference to the Golden Rule is interesting – it is a direct reference to the teachings of Christ and does not arise from evolution or game theory; it is a religious teaching (that it can be argued we all derive some benefit from, at least where it is actual practice). But it is not in the least a ‘rational’ response to the uncertainties of life. In fact it could be argued that the rational response could equally be the ruthless exploitation of others for one’s own profit or benefit. What would be irrational about that approach? That would accord more closely with Darwinist evolutionary principles wouldn’t it?
    
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    October 11, 2018 10:52am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Article of faith is a philosophical term for something that you cannot provide a rational argument for believing. It does not imply any belief in sky fairies. Athiests need at least one article of faith to provide a reason to get up in the morning. Theists typically have hundreds or thousands of contradictory, mean, obsolete, or outright stupid articles of faith.
      
      The golden rule is nothing to do with Christianity, it evolves in essentially all martially technological societies and amongst some social animals as a means to optimise cooperative efforts to build the martial strength of a group (of whatever size) and allow it to compete more effectively with other groups that will otherwise subsume or wipe you out through superior cooperative efforts. Game theory presents good explanations of how and why it works.
      
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      October 11, 2018 12:00pm
      - logan0312
        
        Again, your argument does not support, in any way, a contention that atheism is not religious. As you say it has articles of faith ie: it appeals intrinsically to the underlying religious nature of mankind.
        Forget all the ‘sky fairies’ nonsense you use to disparage the traditionally religious: you are operating from the same basic human impulses in the nature of your own belief system. You can come up with whatever justifications you want for your own religious beliefs, but that is all it is – a religion.
        Whether it is in fact morally more compelling than others is a dispute that can honesty be engaged in, but any assertion that it is intrinsically a higher expression of the human psyche is nonsense.
        
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        October 11, 2018 12:57pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Again you fail to understand. “Article of faith” is not about religion, it is philosophy jargon. Call it a base assumption if you are confused by the use of the word faith. Religion or Theism is belief in sky fairies. Atheism is non-belief in sky fairies. It’s right there in the word. It is a religion in the same way that not playing tennis is a sport.
        
        Religion does seem to have some use in a martial sense – as a way of convincing young men to risk their lives fighting in non-defensive wars for the benefit of the group, which has generally terrible risk/reward metrics for the young men unless you factor in the raping etc that tended to go with conquest. EG US military is highly religious.
        
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        October 11, 2018 1:46pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Oh yawn. Logan, nobody can force themselves to believe. One either does or doesn’t. Why don’t religious nutters get that?
    
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    October 11, 2018 2:48pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Unless you clarify your phrase, ‘the intrinsic religious nature of man’, much more than you have done and, in particular, justify your use of the word ‘religious’, it’s very difficult to respond in any detailed fashion to what looks like sophistical concept creep.
  
  We can find a morality of sorts in other social and eusocial animals without invoking religion, and its use here looks like special pleading.
  
  The golden rule and its predecessor, ‘an eye for an eye’, do not require gods, expressions of devotion, notions of cosmic justice, an afterlife, rituals, sacred texts and symbols; both precepts merely recognise reciprocity as a useful tool for influencing other people’s behaviour in support of your own aspirations.
  
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  October 11, 2018 5:30pm
Left Right and Centre

Customer complaints force Velvet Burger to remove a ‘vile’ toilet sign

Free speech, right ? I have to admit – I don’t like the sign.
And I’ve never heard of Velvet burger – so that sign is paying off for them.
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October 11, 2018 9:51am
skyblue

Anyone had to go thru road rage here and go to court? I am possibly going to be as the victim? Bastard thru solid object at my car but I had his reg number. Police still deciding to prosecute, but his vehicle did not have WOF.
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October 11, 2018 10:08am
EAD_TWO

The Irish are being pozzed:

https://mobile.twitter.com/welfare_ie/status/1049642158578393089
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October 11, 2018 10:14am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND : The number of homes sold last month was the lowest in September since 2011 but prices remained flat | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/96291/number-homes-sold-last-month-was-lowest-september-2011-prices-remained-flat

September was a terrible month for the residential real estate industry with just 5506 homes sold throughout the country, the lowest number in any month since January when the market is traditionally on holiday, and the lowest for the month of September since 2011. … read more via hyperlink above …
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https://reinz.co.nz/residential-property-data-gallery
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October 11, 2018 10:28am
Lucia Maria

Morrisey,

So, you changed your mind over adding a no 7 to your “Howler of the Day” series? Too much of a smear even for you?

If it wasn’t for it’s brief appearance today here and on the Standard (both now deleted), I would not have noticed that you’ve added me to your ridiculous list with a cut-down quote that takes what I said totally out of context.

No. 1: Chris R (“Brash is NOT a bigot”);  No. 2: Lucia Maria (“No need to read”); No. 3: DigNap15 (“Trump comes across as a very caring guy”); No. 4: UpandComer (“Clintons…murder…sex crimes…ritually satanically sacrificed…); No. 5 realityczech (“Brash, Hosking, …. see Maori as equals”)

link to The Standard

Such a lazy way of claiming moral & intellectual superiority without even having to argue the point. Very passive aggressive as well.

For those reading, my comment that you couldn’t even debate was the following:

It’s perfectly reasonable to take pot shots at Chomsky without reading him. For me, reading him has just confirmed what I think about the man and his writings, despite my sister trying to convert me.

link

As can be seen, the cut down “no need to read” summary does not do my comment justice and therefore lies about the supposed howler.

In restitution, I would be perfectly happy if you apologise, amend my summary to “no need to read Chomsky” and put in a link to the original comment.
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October 11, 2018 10:48am
- Rich Prick
  
  Does anyone else find his unsolicited attention a little, well, creepy?
  
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  October 11, 2018 11:08am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Oh, yes. But then I’m used to creeps following me around online.
    
    It’s not so bad now that I’m hardly posting.
    
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    October 11, 2018 11:15am
- Morrissey
  
  As can be seen, the cut down “no need to read” summary does not do my comment justice and therefore lies about the supposed howler.
  
  ??????
  
  You wrote: “It’s perfectly reasonable to take pot shots at Chomsky without reading him.” That translates, perfectly fairly, as “No need to read Chomsky.”
  
  Then you went on to claim you had actually read Chomsky. I do not believe you.
  
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  October 11, 2018 5:30pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    You wrote: “It’s perfectly reasonable to take pot shots at Chomsky without reading him.” That translates, perfectly fairly, as “No need to read Chomsky.”
    
    Ok, so in carefully constructed sentences to help you follow along….
    
    I am not disagreeing with a summary of “No need to read Chomsky.”
    
    Feel free to amend your Howler of the Day to include “Chomsky” to my supposed howler.
    
    However, a summary of “no need to read” implies something completely different.
    
    Kapesh?
    
    Furthermore, whether or not you believe me is not an argument. It’s an opinion.
    
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    October 11, 2018 6:15pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    (((Chomsky)))
    
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    October 11, 2018 6:34pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Pointing out Chomsky is supposedly part of some international Jewish Conspiracy as indicated by the triple brackets is not helpful.
      
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      October 11, 2018 7:02pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Morrissey,
    
    I think you were a bit quick there, blogging my comment & your response without my riposte at 6:15pm.
    
    You might want to actually have the argument before crowing about it.
    
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    October 11, 2018 7:08pm
Captain Mainwaring

Challenge for the day:
Try and post a response to one of Morris Dancer’s diatribes before the whole thread disappears into the ether.
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October 11, 2018 10:53am
- rightoverlabour
  
  The only response Morrisey deserves is “Fuck Off”, and hit the report button. Reload Kiwiblog and report again. Continue until his post disappears….
  
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  October 11, 2018 5:57pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Is that how his Howler of the Day comment disappeared before?
    
    Because it’s back again.
    
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    October 11, 2018 6:27pm
Manolo

Gone too much the other way:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/10/trump-says-the-federal-reserve-has-gone-crazy.html
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October 11, 2018 11:01am
Notsofast

That Australian crook running A2 milk was very canny dumping her stock at the peak.
Don’t you love them, I know a host of people who have done their chips trying to trust these lovable rogues.
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October 11, 2018 11:12am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Why are NZ homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados | Charlie Gates | Stuff.co.nz

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/links-11-october-2018/#comment-3201207 … and …

Why are NZ homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados | Charlie Gates | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados

… extract …

… But why? To find out I asked economist Shamubeel Eaqub and housing expert Hugh Pavletich about the main problems keeping house prices so high. Here are the three main problems they raised.

1. Land supply

Eaqub said that “by far the biggest culprit behind higher house prices … is the cost of land.”

Since 1995 land costs have risen 73 per cent faster than incomes, he wrote in his book.

Land is expensive because there is not enough that can be used for housing. A lot of land is tied up in complex and restrictive planning rules.

Restrictions on land use constrict the supply of homes, Eaqub said.

Pavletich and Eaqub agreed that we should expand the city limits and build high density housing in the city centre.

2. Infrastructure funding

Land without infrastructure is just a paddock.

The roads, sewerage and powerlines needed for new homes are expensive.

Councils have under funded infrastructure for decades and are reluctant to borrow money to pay for it because that is politically unpopular.

Changes since the late 1980s, like privatising public assets, also mean councils are less able to fund infrastructure, Eaqub said.

“Councils were stripped of their assets,” he said.

“Councils went from having lots of sources of income to just rates for infrastructure funding.”

Pavletich said councils lost control of their costs.

“They could not keep up with growth and meet their infrastructure requirements.”

“Costs have blown out and they haven’t got the money to do it.”

This means land that could be used for housing often remains a paddock.

Eaqub said that liberal economic reform in the late 1980s, known as Rogernomics, also changed the housing market because people could more easily borrow money.

“The pre-1980s banking system was very differently regulated and you couldn’t get any money. That was gradually lessening from the 1960s onwards.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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… IPSOS plling … the major issue for Kiwis is excessively priced housing …

New Zealand Issues Monitor – Concerns about housing grow

https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/new-zealand-issues-monitor-concerns-about-housing-grow
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… When do the politicians intend to ALLOW (yes … that’s all …) affordable new housing to be built ? …

How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
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October 11, 2018 11:16am
- wiseowl
  
  Economics expert wiseowl was asked why are house prices so high.
  The trans expert said that it is all about supply and demand.
  Prices rise when there is high demand for a widget and a lack of supply.
  What is the answer ?
  The answer is to aim for a better equilibrium.
  Demand needs to be reduced therefore for example, moving forward, with the current scenario mass immigration, which is distorting the demand side, needs to be substantially curbed so that the equation is more balanced.
  The demand extortion is causing major problems with lack of ability to fund infrastucture, lack of hospitals and stress on existing healthcare, stress in the education sector and major downward pressure on wages.
  Immigration, (that is the demand side) should be cut to around 10,000 pa .to allow normal kiwis to breathe again and enjoy life instead of chasing their tales.
  It is recommended the country does not need to import any more economists.
  More outstanding details on hyperlink ……
  
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  October 11, 2018 12:46pm
Captain Mainwaring

When will this nonsense end? These bloody cycleways must be costing about a million $ for each cyclist that uses them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/107758672/wellington-city-council-seeks-24m-from-government-for-southern-suburb-cycleways
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October 11, 2018 11:39am
- The Heat
  
  It won’t because the aim isn’t to be efficient, nor to provide value. The aim is to have the biggest virtue-signalling masturbation session one possibly can.
  
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  October 11, 2018 12:01pm
- DigNap15
  
  I am all for rural cycleways as they are good for tourism
  But I hate the city ones.
  I’d rip every one up
  Its costing us a fortune and no one uses them
  Or the subsidized buses!
  
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  October 11, 2018 12:37pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Totally agree.
    
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    October 11, 2018 12:59pm
  - cmm
    
    The city cycleways are making transport worse by reducing the road surface available for the real transport: cars.
    
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    October 11, 2018 2:38pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    As long as the cyclists keep off the footpaths. They sneak up behind people so quietly and one step to the side could see you run over.
    
    Oh the virtue of cyclists – running over pedestrians and breaking children’s legs is OK by them…
    
    P.S. I’m all for cycle paths in flat towns with wide roads where they make sense. In Auckland they simply don’t.
    
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    October 11, 2018 2:52pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Oh the virtue of cyclists – running over pedestrians and breaking children’s legs is OK by them
      
      In 30 years of cycling I not once have seen a pedestrian being run over, nor children’s legs being broken. I must be unobservant.
      
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      October 11, 2018 3:41pm
      - sooty
        
        Ring the bell aswell. But they changed the law! Don’t need a bell now, or a rego plate! Need to ride in single file, everywhere!
        
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        October 11, 2018 6:14pm
- Durden
  
  Effectively they are admitting that they screwed up on the original Island Bay Cycle Way and then hugely underestimated the cost of proposed design to fix it.
  
  Now they are hoping to get bailed out by NZTA and the cycling friendly CoL by trying to present a business case for all the southern cycleways with IBCW included in it.
  
  See Item 3.1 Page 15
  https://wellington.govt.nz/~/media/your-council/meetings/committees/city-strategy-committee/2018/10/18/20181018-csc-agenda.pdf
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:18pm
Lucia Maria

Cool website on sunlight hours with this page set to Wellington, NZ.

Today in Wellington, solar noon is at 1:07pm.

Before the clocks went forward on 30 Sep, solar noon 29 Sep was at 12:11pm.

Explains why I’m still so out of whack – noon is now at the wrong time throwing my whole time sense out. Wouldn’t have been a big deal if the change had been gradual.
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October 11, 2018 11:58am
- rangitoto
  
  Actual solar noon occurs at a different clock time (solar mean time) each day irrespective of DST.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_time
  
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  October 11, 2018 12:02pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Yeah, noticed that. My link shows the gradual change over time.
    
    For instance, it’s at 1:23pm on 31 December.
    
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    October 11, 2018 12:17pm
    - rangitoto
      
      This guy has used multiple exposures on old style colour film to show the equation of time for every hour of the day from 8:00am to 4:00pm, superimposed with a Greek monument. Looks like he may have given up on 5:00pm as the page hasn’t been updated for several years.
      
      http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Analemma.htm
      
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      October 11, 2018 1:13pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Wow, cool! Thanks for that!!
        
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        October 11, 2018 1:33pm
Mr Lo

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-10/china-has-already-lost-war

The bugmen are losing the tradewar badly. Aw so sad. Screw those thieving autistic liars and dog eaters. Screw the people who sold out to these lying theives. China is a garbage country full of garbage people who lie and steal
Worse even then jews. Screw the people in the National party who are milquetoast dilletantes who believe the Bullshit noodles. These intransigent grabbers aren’t anyone’s friends. No one wants to live in a bug warren. Better then a musloid mud patch. Only by degrees. The Chinese like all mendacious lying thieving foreign scum should be encouraged to self deport. We know you steal and lie and thieve. The ‘han’ doesn’t exist. Get out of NZ. Westerners like freedom and honesty. Little pricks. That whole country is a Potemkin village. All very impressive on the outside. Primitive and rotten at the core. Let them crumble. Bullying little bugmen getting what they dish out. If they can’t steal and they can’t accuse westerners of racism they fall to pieces like the piece of shit liars they are.
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October 11, 2018 12:24pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Wow, that’s telling them.
  
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  October 11, 2018 12:30pm
  - Mr Lo
    
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
    
    Own anything hardware related from China? They have all your material. You’re a walking talking botnet.
    
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.wcpo.com/2901838636/affidavit-chinese-spies-targeted-ge-aviation-employee-may-have-stolen-sensitive-documents.html
    
    Employ a bugman in anything with IP? He or she is stealing it.
    
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-07-10/ex-apple-employee-charged-with-stealing-secrets-for-chinese-firm
    
    The bugmen steal. That’s what they do. And then screech about racism like the Israelis when they get caught. There are thousands of these.
    
    Well, Trump is going to collapse tjeir fake economy. A fake economy for fake people. In China if a school stops kids cheating thousands of parents riot. Everyone there lies and cheats. If you stop one kid cheating, thats unfair. There is no ‘han’. There are the remnants of dozens of barbarian nations lying and thieving in NZ and Australia. They think the west is soft and flabby. The west made the bugmen. Forced renditions of economic materials since Nixon. The first President in decades who isn’t an outright traitor, and China starts to crumble. Arrogant nasty deluded rude hubristic liars – no wonder Israel and China are subverting everything together. Israeli hardware and individuals are just as bad. Just better at lying and pretending to be your friend.
    
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    October 11, 2018 1:48pm
- kowtow
  
  Is your first name One Hung ?
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:22pm
Mr Lo

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/10/09/human-resources-study-shows-a-stunning-unintended-backlash-to-the-me-too-movement/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The worst thing you can do for women is give them what they think they want.

They got what they wanted in the workplace.
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October 11, 2018 12:36pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Amazing the number of trolls Kiwiblog attracts.
  
  Tho, kind of squawks like a kea!
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:34pm
  - Mr Lo
    
    True things I don’t like is trolling.
    
    Read Ann Barnhardt Lucia.
    
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    October 11, 2018 5:15pm
Mr Lo

https://mobile.twitter.com/tom_winter/status/1050127491715817474

Oh look. A Paul Rosenfeld was caught red handed preparing a 200 pound bomb to set off in New York. Israel could blame it on muslims or le ebil conservative whitemales.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna918771

What a hilarious lie about the reason. Israel got caught in more US domestic terrorism. I wonder what he will say after a few months of water boarding? Maybe he can get the Israeli treatment and be packed off to an affiliate like Yemen. He’ll be okay Im sure. All just a misunderstanding. He was just sad about muh Holocaust. They want to spark a civil war.

Every instance of ‘hate crime’ against these people that isn’t by muslims is done by themselves. Rosenfeld got caught in a biggie. I don’t think he’s going to be able to snake his way out of this one. After he tells what he knows, he should hang.

Mossad’s hilariously stupid cover stories need a lot of work. Rosenfeld the terrorist. How many other events of this nature were by a Rosenfeld. Who could say.
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October 11, 2018 12:54pm
- Mr Lo
  
  Radical Jewish terrorism and Supremacy. So good to know these radical Jewish terrorists are being cleaned off the streets. I have relatives in New York. I wouldn’t want them to he murdered by Radical Jewish Terrorists and radical Jewish supremacists.
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:12pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Mr Lo, are you by chance related to Kea ( alias realityczech ) ?
    
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    October 11, 2018 2:09pm
- Mr Lo
  
  Lol downvotes.
  
  Right.
  
  So because this radical Jewish Terrorist Mossad Intelligence operative Rosenfeld is Jewish, it’s okay for him to explode a 200pound bomb in New York, kill a few dozen Goyim, maim a few hundred more, destroy a few memorials to honourable goyim like Lincoln, and risk catalysing a civil war by espionage? Seriously, every down ticker is effluent. Talmudic ‘morality’ and ‘values’ in full exhibition. Absolutely disgusting. Just like circumcision as child abuse. Pure filth values.
  
  Lots of New Zealanders have relatives in New York. I do. They regularly frequent the National Mall.
  
  Would you upvote this? The non-jewish minority of a western intelligence service sets off a 200 pound bomb in Tel Aviv. It kills a few dozen jewish women and children. Maims a few hundred more. Destroys a priceless artefact. Then they frame Saudia Arabia. Israel and Saudi Arabia go to war in earnest. And tens of thousands die.
  
  But it’s okay, because it was a jew who did it? Maybe that is what needs to happen. It never will because westerners have ‘ethics’ but maybe that would make the downtickers change their erroneous world view. What a joke. What a disgusting display of immoral non-ethics by the downtickers. The Talmud surely is a beautiful tome. Just pure filth. Rosenfeld got caught. Rosenfeld will be punished. I’m sure the Israeli connection won’t be publicised. Not yet.
  
  You people are hilarious. You are fake. You have no principles. Every down voter is a joke. Go home.
  
  Here is what will happen, now the US deep state, slowly, painfully, is having the corruption removed. Rosenfeld will be waterboarded until he’s 99% water according to the laws Wolfowitz and co wanted to use use on the Goyim. He will be drugged until he tells the truth. Then, the patriots in the United States find every last Mossad rat in the country. Then they are mass arrested and thrown into Guantanamo, then executed by firing squad one by one, for 9/11, and for this, and for Vegas, and school shootings and all the rest. If Israel plays the Samson option call their bluff, let the ICBM’s fly, and see where these Babylonian fake Hebrews end up in the after life. Israel thinks it owns Trump via Kushner et al. It thinks it owns the west. Lol everybody knows. Everybody will continue to know at an ever increasing rate. It has Britain, yes. It’s getting it’s tentacles very firmly into Australia. But the United States is the Emperor card. Pull that out, and the anglosphere will follow.
  
  Really? That was the Mossad cover story? He’s just a crazy anarchist? Why didn’t they just get one of their guys who looks muslim to do it? What a joke. Israel betray every single entity with which or whom they come into contact. They betray their own people. They betray nations that subsidise their existence. They betray their muslim friends. They betray their Christian friends. They betray everyone. The final boss is on a clock.
  
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  October 11, 2018 3:23pm
  - Mr Lo
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnXaZsBjv8
    
    I am absolutely disgusted by the downticks. This is just more and more radicalising.
    
    It’s never going to go away guys. Jewish crimes will continue to be revealed. The pressure will continue to build.
    
    A country with an average IQ of 95 can’t keep committing horrendous crimes and stabbing in the back every fucking nation and individual that shows and seeks friendship and get away with it.
    
    The Left hate you.
    
    The real Right hate you.
    
    The Muslims hate you.
    
    The Christians will increasingly hate you. All the non-boomer Christians absolutely fucking hate you.
    
    Your own people will hate you when they find out which sect handed over their relatives during the Holocaust – voluntarily.
    
    Because you’re the kind of people who would set off a 200 pound bomb among goyim civilians to start a civil war, then start kvetching and threatening to sue when the crime is revealed. Instead of saying ‘gee that’s terrible, we’re sorry’. Fucking ridiculous.
    
    The pressure will keep building.
    
    We know what you’ve done. To the girls of Rotherham et al. Now to Ireland. To Russia. 9/11 etc.,
    
    The Boomers might be the last buttress of European majorities. But the next generation don’t have their stupid notions of civic nationalism. Generation Zyklon understands how it really works.
    
    Israel is on a clock. And it won’t stop ticking until we get to the end of the bell. Until you start apologising for shit like this, instead of being unfathomable merchants and down-ticking the prevention of mass fucking murder of innocent people, and starting yet another war. The shit I read here about Ireland is unbelievable. Still no apology. Just grins and big laughs and ‘the goyim deserve it’ – most of the myths told about progroms etc is horseshit. Any time a dissident Jew actually looks at the evidence, it either never happened or it’s massively exaggerated.
    
    We want it. We want the war. Educated, well appointed young European western men fucked over and over want the war. But we will win without it, and we’ll do it ethically. Because we know, guys. You can’t shut this one down. Kiwis have relative who go to the national mall, and the downtickers get upset they don’t get murdered by this Jewish bastard. He will hang, after he tells what he knows. If Israel pull their cards to get him out, they’ll pay a price.
    
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    October 11, 2018 4:02pm
    - Mr Lo
      
      Lol unbelievable.
      
      Jewish operative tries to murder a whole bunch of innocents, many of whom could be Kiwis, in New York and Washington. Get’s prevented from doing so by an FBI that now works for it’s country instead of Israel. This is noted. Kiwibloggers downtick.
      
      Kiwibloggers are upset that Goyim didn’t get murdered by a Jewish rat-terrorist bastard, and that they get called out for engaging in terrorism against the people who pay that shitfuck country billions and billions without even mentioning the stolen trillions and have bled in the gallons for them.
      
      What a joke. Is every kiwiblogger a member of B’nai ‘B’rith? Fuck this terrorist Jewish scum and fuck all of you who downticked.
      
      He should be publicly drawn and quartered by Oxen, or burned at the stake by blowtorch. Every dual Israeli citizen in the US Congress and Senate should be told to disavow, apologise for 9/11, and be given 24 hours to renounce Israeli citizenship, return their embezzled stolen monies, or be removed from the United States of America. God willing, may this happen in my life-time.
      
      What a fucking joke.
      
      Kiwiblog endorses Jews murdering New Zealanders who might happen to be walking through fucking New York or paying homage to Jefferson in the National Mall. That’s what the downtickers are doing. All boomers. ‘Muh jet ski’ fucking boomers.
      
      Go to hell. See that pictorial? That’s Christian hell. It exists. That’s where you’ll be going. I’ll probably be going too. What can you do.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRkA1xYBZBQ
      
      I don’t endorse jewish terrorist rat bastards murdering New Zealanders wandering innocently through New York or Washington. Or any other human being.
      
      Have any of you stupid fucks considered that a bomb like that might kill Jews? In fact given the massive population of Jews in New York and Washington it’s more likely then not. This is what I mean. Jews murder their own people. Then blame it on the Goyim or muslims. Does a jewish fucking life mean you’ll uptick? Go fuck yourselves.
      
      Clearly, prosperity doesn’t mean a damn thing. I know there are lots of jet ski boomers on Kiwiblog who love their wares. And they downtick this. So their riches mean nothing. Vacuous imbeciles.
      
      So Kiwiblog endorses Jews murdering arbitrarily New Zealanders walking around in America, and murdering other Jews.
      
      What does this prove?
      
      It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt:
      
      “…the inability of so many Jews to understand that using government power (or terrorism) to try to limit the unalienable rights of westerners (or murder them) makes them the enemy of every self-respecting westerner, regardless of his politics or ideology, only underscores the observable fact that Jews are a separate nation, a distinct nation with their own culture, religion, language, traditions and values, and makes it clear that their ideals are intrinsically incompatible with the ideals of the western nations.”
      
      A big Kiwiblog readership endorses Jews murdering New Zealanders in the United States. Good to know.
      
      Keep doubling down. Let the inevitable happen. Before he hopefully gets executed after betraying the rest of his rat terrorist Mossad network in the United States and hopefully Australia too. who knows, it could be real doozy, I hope he is given a chance to convert from the Synagogue of Satan, and repent.
      
      Lol Kiwibloggers endorse terrorist murder of innocents by Jews. What do you know.
      
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      October 11, 2018 5:41pm
      - starboard
        
        nurse…NURSE !!
        
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        October 11, 2018 6:00pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Are we heading for full meltdown, yet?
        
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        October 11, 2018 6:05pm
      - Mr Lo
        
        Lol what a retarded non-response. Nurse.
        
        Lol Starboard. I’m almost certainly much wealthier and more functional then you are. And definitely much more intelligent.
        
        It is what it is.
        
        Kiwiblog General Debate endorses Jewish terrorist murder of innocents, including New Zealanders, in the United States. I never would have imagined. Then says ‘Nurse’ and chortles.
        
        I’m sure no one will remind the esteemed readership of that fact.
        
        Ah well. I’m going to have a lemonade and muse on this. Lol ‘Nurse’. Absolutely top notch response there moron.
        
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        October 11, 2018 6:08pm
      - starboard
        
        Are you on meth ?
        
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        October 11, 2018 6:22pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        And delusions of grandeur!
        
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        October 11, 2018 6:51pm
- DJ Ward
  
  I wonder how many Rosenfeld NZ passports get created every year?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:56pm
Mr Lo

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/10/first-audit-of-global-temperature-data-finds-freezing-tropical-islands-boiling-towns-boats-on-land/

A reminder climate data models are as real as adult neurogenesis and are a money laundering bogus scheme for cultists who lack religion.
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October 11, 2018 1:05pm
- stephieboy
  
  Mr Lo, is this the same Joanne Nova or a look alike?
  
  https://www.desmogblog.com/joanne-nova
  
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  October 11, 2018 2:14pm
  - KevOB
    
    At least she has a brain not jellyfish leftovers.
    
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    October 11, 2018 6:12pm
Mr Lo

Lol

http://uk.businessinsider.com/amazon-built-ai-to-hire-people-discriminated-against-women-2018-10

The biggest protection against AI is SJW purple hairs. AI ‘discriminates’ against women. One can he sure that if AI favoured women that would also be considered a disaster.
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October 11, 2018 1:09pm
Scott Chris

Just read the first 50 comments of general debate for the first time in a while. Little has changed. Nearly every comment was a whinge of one sort or another.

You lot really should learn how lucky you are and stop moaning.
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October 11, 2018 1:30pm
- starboard
  
  Oh, scott chris the car groomer is back, Praise be.
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:37pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Hi Scott!
  
  But where else would we find the outlet!
  
  Anyway, how have you been?
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  QED. Can I have that mirror back please.
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:39pm
- Mr Lo
  
  Lol you’re right.
  
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  October 11, 2018 1:51pm
- calendar girl
  
  “You lot really should learn how lucky you are and stop moaning.”
  
  So why are you ‘moaning’ about other people’s comments?
  
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  October 11, 2018 2:15pm
  - starboard
    
    grottchris likes to waltz onto the GD, take a dump, then run away, giggling like a little bitch. He cant help himself.
    
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    October 11, 2018 3:11pm
starboard

This will get ya blood simmering.
Id rather be an alledged coloniser than a thief and a fraudster. Donna Awatere Poo-ata..and whats with the nervous eye twitch !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24dW1kphQu4
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October 11, 2018 1:39pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I think it is morse code – but in Moari. SOS?????
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:11pm
Mr Lo

And since I’m on a roll upsetting everyone lets end with Jordan Peterson

https://jordanbpeterson.com/political-correctness/notes-on-my-kavanaugh-tweet/

Look at the state of him. He’s also a liar. He’s a hard left loon. He dreams about incest and cannabalism with multiple family members. He says he didn’t sleep for 30 days. He says apple cider vinegar left him bedridden for months on an ‘all meat only meat’ diet. And he said Kavanaugh should resign. Now like all charlatans he’s babbling about how he didn’t really mean it. He’s a fellow conservative. Just like Israel is a fellow western country full of fellow judeo christians.

He’s a hard left loon. Like the rest of the ludicrous ”Intellectual Dark Web” with it’s shaprios and Hoffs and Weinsteins. He is a con man who did one courageous thing. He is no different in the end to Amy Schumer when it matters. Who cares what the left think? They’re mentally ill. Conservatives need to stop seeking validation and pretending its persuasion.
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October 11, 2018 2:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  “They’re mentally ill.” ??
  
  Why do you exclude yourself?
  
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  October 11, 2018 2:16pm
  - skyblue
    
    Mentally ill, just like your goats after emptying your nut sack contents in them.
    
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    October 11, 2018 3:04pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think your fantasies might be starting to become a little too specific.
      
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      October 11, 2018 5:55pm
      - skyblue
        
        Saw it on a Muslim Porn site.
        
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        October 12, 2018 1:10pm
Longknives

So plunging a knife into someone’s heart after they catch you trying to steal their car is ‘Manslaughter’??
I guarantee this kid will be laughing when she is sentenced…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12140782
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October 11, 2018 3:43pm
- Niz
  
  Apparently it was just instinct that made her pull out her super sharp knife and stick him in the heart.
  Isn’t that everybody’s instinct when defending yourself from the guy whose car your nicking?
  
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  October 11, 2018 3:57pm
- DigNap15
  
  And her accomplice is guilty of nothing!
  What is wrong with the jury!
  Only 3 hours!
  
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  October 11, 2018 4:04pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Aarrgh! Participating in a crime where one of your accomplices stabbed someone to death is not nothing.
    
    Note to all would be thieves: Judiciary says it’s basically OK to kill people when they catch you in the act.
    
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    October 11, 2018 4:15pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      The victim, the perpetrators and I’m guessing half the jury, were all residents of Aotearoa.
      The rules are different there.
      
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      October 11, 2018 4:59pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  It is manslaughter when you don’t set out to kill someone, I would have thought.
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:01pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Lucia, that is not the law.
    
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    October 11, 2018 6:11pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Ok, so what is the law?
      
      I have to admit I have more awareness of American law around this due to watching various cop shows than do around the particulars of NZ law.
      
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      October 11, 2018 6:30pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        If your a male you are guilty. If you are a woman you don’t understand why you were carrying a big knife, or why you pulled it out, or why you plunged it into an innocent person. Only men understand that knifes kill people.
        
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        October 11, 2018 7:04pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        DJ Ward,
        I doubt that.
        
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        October 11, 2018 7:24pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        Explain how “I stabbed him in the chest when he fell asleep because I wanted the relationship to be better” can be a defence for murder. Because that has worked. If a man said that they would get extra for showing contempt and no remorse.
        
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        October 11, 2018 7:53pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Lucia, I just got in and have few things to do before bed so I will not look up the law but I will try to explain it in a few words. Intention to kill is obviously murder. However, if you do something like this girl did or say someone who gets someone in the head repeatedly while they are down that can be still murder as they did something that was likely to kill them.
        
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        October 11, 2018 9:25pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I see a couple of shitbag lawyers here. Guilty as sin, but let’s do it the Hillary Clinton way.
  The future of these shitbag kids will cost NZ a LOT of money.
  Don’t forget Longknives, these are the ‘special’ people
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:19pm
Niz

Ooh, exciting. One of my comments needs moderating. What might I have written to warrant that? It’s not happened to me before.
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October 11, 2018 3:59pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  It’s a bug. Happens to all of us, occasionally. Most of the time they get posted after a while. Sometimes, they stay in moderation forever.
  
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  October 11, 2018 5:17pm
VicParking

Being Banned from WO I can not answer the “View from the Window” question but if I could I would say Stephie’s front room.
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/view-from-your-window-286/
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October 11, 2018 4:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sometimes being banned ca be viewed as a badge of honour.
  
  Stuff, that other labour party media outlet, certainly qualifies.
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:44pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Nah that’s Stephieboy visiting Adern. Can’t you tell its Gayfords deck. Like kiwi build they cut costs with cheap timber. The decks rotting already.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:00pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Vic, that is from my back deck. They are neutered billies so the ragheads would not be interested.
  
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  October 11, 2018 9:29pm
burt

This is a headline we’ll never see from Labour after protecting a sexual predator at their youth camp.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107779656/russell-mcveagh-partner-resigns-following-investigation-into-drunken-behaviour
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October 11, 2018 4:29pm
Chuck Bird

If someone carries a knife and commits a crime self defense should not be allowed. This was murder and the law should be changed to reflect this.

Hamilton stabbing: 16-year-old guilty of manslaughter, 14-year-old acquitted

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12140782
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October 11, 2018 5:10pm
- Morrissey
  
  If someone carries a knife and commits a crime self defense should not be allowed.
  
  Indeed. Does the S.S. Trust still support knife killers?
  
  https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/noelle-mccarthy-swallowed-vomit-for-15.html
  
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  October 11, 2018 7:42pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    That’s a person is committing a crime against you or your property and you get a knife or happen to have a knife. Very different from committing a crime while in possession of a knife with the intention of using it to fight off arrest.
    
    The self defence comment is incorrect in this case as the defence was “I didn’t intend to kill”
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:43pm
Happychappy

burt you can guarantee that you will never get to hear the full report of what actually happened at the Labour Summer Camp as someone should be charged with neglect in failing to look after those in their charge, sexual assault is no laughing matter.
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October 11, 2018 5:17pm
- DJ Ward
  
  You should see what happens when a man makes a compliant to the cops about the actions of a woman.
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:45pm
  - GoVege
    
    Oh bull.
    I know a very respectable woman who used to call the cops on her drunken hubby.
    She said that whenever they came, they took one look at the scratches on his face and locked HER up.
    
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    October 11, 2018 8:59pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      It was a comment on sex crimes not DV. But if you like some info. The police identify the woman as the DV offender 35% of the time but make up only 10% of arrests. Male arrest is arbitrary. As for sex crimes by women against men the arrest rate is about 0.0%
      
      Maybe she shouldn’t have assaulted him just because he was drunk. Or left him for being useless. Got a protection order if she was needing to protect herself, then his arrest no matter what she does is arbitrary. Respectable woman? In public but behind closed doors slightly less?
      
      Have your Women Refuge PI friends been ripping off the accounts lately or don’t you happen to know them?
      
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      October 11, 2018 10:28pm
Chuck Bird

Happy, who do you think wood be negligent?
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October 11, 2018 5:21pm
- Happychappy
  
  The Labour Party they were the ones trying to hide the fact and giving poor advice to those that were assaulted. When you try to get the victims to change their minds about charging the perpetrator you are playing with fire and tampering with justice, you could bet your bottom dollar if the victim was their daughter they wouldn’t have given the same advice.
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:18pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    ” if the victim was their daughter they wouldn’t have given the same advice.”
    
    Or son. The pervert molested both. Bi-sexual pervert is typical of Labour.
    
    Some people in National think the public do not like muck raking and even if the offender was family one should no pick on family. That is right to a point. If a MP’s child rapes and/or murders that may not be the MP’s fault. However, if the MP and others in the party try to cover things up the public have a right to know. I will be attending the court case.
    
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    October 11, 2018 9:37pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  He knows, but he could, and wood not possibly comment
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:24pm
DJ Ward

Women can’t murder men.

That’s why the term manslaughter was created.

I can’t be bothered with the list of stabbed in their sleep, axed from behind, strangled while tied up, promised sex to kill for them, blah blah…. It would make those male killing partners, regurgitated DV stats look good if I did that.

The pussy pass industry for murder even wants killing male partners an entry in the crimes act as a defence. No proof required.
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October 11, 2018 5:33pm
- DJ Ward
  
  After 17 domestic violence convictions and protection orders the male waited in hiding for his former partner to return home. While confronting her trying to enter her house he violently pushed her down the stairs killing her. The man lied about the event until years later the police gained a confession. The man was given a non custodial sentence as his violence towards her was minimal and he meant no harm by pushing her. Men lie all the time and are always violent, hence the 17 events, and protection orders are only bits of paper, so no time was added to the “manslaughter” conviction.
  
  If something smells fishy it was the pussy pass. The “violent killer” is obviously female. No male can get to 17 DV convictions or protection order breaches without long prison time. Let alone the 10 years plus they would get for manslaughter.
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:10pm
Prince

TV One is promoting their news with an item about the Government’s ‘ambitious’ plan to involve more women in sport. Pictures of Ardern surrounded by aadoring young women etc etc.

Here’s the thing – $10 Mil of our money will be spent. Given the plan is ‘ambitious’, I’d expect some actual stats and targets – eg 40% of girls between 5 and 18 take part in some organised sport, we will increase that to 60% etc etc.

What’s the bet that there will be no measurable targets apart from the $10Mil spend. After 3 years we will have no idea whether the money was well spent. This will be nothing more than a typical Labour/Ardern promo shoot leading our news.
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October 11, 2018 5:58pm
- Prince
  
  Sure enough, $10M of our money to promote Ardern on the News, and two more adulatory mentions during the Sports section.
  No stats or targets to measure though.
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:58pm
DigNap15

She stabbed him in the heart and did not think that that would kill him, even though she was aiming for his chest!
Not only that, but she went back to get a knife and a screw driver to rescue her friend who the victim and his partner were holding for the police to come.
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October 11, 2018 6:15pm
- DJ Ward
  
  But it’s a horrible man that’s way stronger.
  
  The worst part is some poor sucker has to get her pregnant prior to sentencing.
  
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  October 11, 2018 6:58pm
krazykiwi

So, the now routinely-ignored IPCC says that limiting global temperature increases to 1.5 degrees Celsius by 2050 will
1. Cost $US900 billion, requiring a restructuring of global finance and wealth
2. See industrial emissions at 75–90% lower than 2010, aka de-industrialization
3. Implement a fundamental re-designation of land which is almost certainly be societally and/or environmentally unacceptable.

Ardern didn’t get the memo. She’s stuck in a teenage climate catastrophe mindset, far, far away from the facts.
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October 11, 2018 7:22pm
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  It’s her generations nuclear free moment and she has the world stage…..
  
  Are your assets liquid and your passport up to date?
  
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  October 11, 2018 8:00pm
DigNap15

And some demented female reporter on the BBC repeated this report as if it were fact.
She sounds as if the world was going to end if we did not act right now.

As I have said if they are really serious they will tell India and twenty other countries to reduce their useless populations now.

We here in NZ are OK as any emissions we make are in the interest of feeding many people in the world.
Just as much Chinese population is created making the products we buy all over the world.
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October 11, 2018 7:58pm
nasska

It seems to me that voting day

is when the old come out to play

for when I went to vote down there

the smell of cabbage filled the air.
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October 11, 2018 8:28pm
Philview

I heard tonight that the NZ stock market had one of its biggest one day drops in history today. Anyone hear what that is all about?
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October 11, 2018 8:58pm
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  October 11, 2018 10:34pm
DigNap15

Wall Street dropped, so the rest of the world always follows.
Lets hope it does not keep dropping tomorrow!
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October 11, 2018 9:38pm
starboard

Yup. Down 330 points. Blood on the floor. Just following US stocks, down 800+ points.
Market correction, long overdue. More to come.
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October 11, 2018 9:39pm
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  Reaction to the big storm. Parts of the US are becoming uninsurable if not unlivable without significant building, infastructure improvement.
  
  Some companies reported profit downgrade warnings.
  
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