General Debate 9 September 2018

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krazykiwi

All this talk about the Labour Youth camp sexual predator being related to a Labour MP, or high ranking Labour party member got me curious. I know very little about the families of the MPs who lead us, and family is a really important part of who we all are. Clearly the PM and her partner are very happy to have their family in the limelight which is very nice, if transparently advantageous for the Labour government.

So I thought I’d have a look at some other MPs. And what better place to start than with Dr Megan Woods, the Labour MP who undoubtedly earned thanks from the Labour Youth camp victims when she fortunate enough stumble on details of the mystery 20 year old’s alleged offences while scrolling through her Facebook feed.

Now I’m pretty good at finding people/company/news on the internet, and connecting content to get a better picture. But Dr Woods’ personal profile turned up nothing. Nada. Zinch. It’s like she has never existing online, outside her political career. Odd. Usually there are community stories, sports events etc. I spent so much time on this search, that I gave up and went for a mountain bike ride before it got dark.

I’ll look into some other MP’s on another occasion.
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September 9, 2018 8:01am
- holysheet
  
  I WOODn’t waste your time searching anymore.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:04am
  - rockape
    
    As if he wood!
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:27am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes predator un-named but not unknown.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:30am
- Colville
  
  Krazy
  I just had a quick look.
  Strange that “Megan woods son” is the second in googles list of search items… He must be a popular lad.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:06am
  - Inandout
    
    WO keeps all screen shots, and will undoubtedly use them sometime.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:48am
  - harrygee
    
    His first name is Morning.
    
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    September 9, 2018 11:36am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Well done sir
      
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      September 9, 2018 3:30pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  It’s almost like the internet has been cleansed, very strange
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:11am
  - igm
    
    When I looked some time back, there was reference to a son, then deletion. It has been cleansed for sure . . . I wonder why!
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:15am
    - Inandout
      
      You should look behind the scenes, not just Google.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:30am
- MrLovebucket
  
  She has a son!? The wonders of modern alcohol.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:15am
  - igm
    
    Was there any reference to a father? Bet he has hacked a track.
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:17am
  - softail 1450
    
    Mrlovebucket,,,,, ha,ha,ha, very good ,and quite possibly true.
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:43am
  - Psycho Milt
    
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    She has a son!? The wonders of modern alcohol.
    
    Yeah, I wonder why she doesn’t plaster her private life all over the Internet? It’s unfathomable…
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:51am
    - softail 1450
      
      psycho, she did ,but mysteriously after some problems she’s deleted it, oh dear .
      
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      September 9, 2018 8:57am
      - sooty
        
        That newspaper says she was the first to find out about the pervert? Well I wonder?
        
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        September 9, 2018 9:06am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        A mystery indeed. Why could she possibly want to keep details of her private life from such thoughtful and generous-spirited people as your good self? Unfathomable!
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:14am
- JibberJabber
  
  I dunno about yous fellas but if i was a Labour MP with a kid that age and he was innocent, I`d be telling all and sundry.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:26am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    She is not the only Labour MP with a son. The truth will come out at the trial if the predator is found guilty. The trial must take place before the 2020 election.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:15am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Nah – it’s the Labour Party. In the spirit of true comradeship, If one of our twenty year-old children has a nasty insinuation circulating about them, then ALL of of our twenty year-old children have to have a nasty insinuation circulating about them…
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:22am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      the party MUST be protected….don’t ya know?
      
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      September 9, 2018 9:52am
    - VicParking
      
      The police need to come out and say that Clarke is not under investigation for faking his birth certificate to say he was 20.
      
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      September 9, 2018 3:00pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Was it closed court, if not then of course the “gallery” would know exactly who it was, we are just not allowed to say.
    
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    September 9, 2018 3:36pm
- Psycho Milt
  
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  But Dr Woods’ personal profile turned up nothing.
  
  Odd. It’s almost as though she wouldn’t want to expose her private life so Internet trolls can mine it for material to abuse her with. I guess this inexplicable mystery will just never be solved…
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:49am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    How’s your Mum?
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:57am
  - krazykiwi
    
    PM, perhaps. But the identify of the Labour Youth camp predator won’t remain an inexplicable mystery.
    
    I’m sure you’ll join me in applauding that transparency – right?
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:04am
    - Psycho Milt
      
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      Unlike Chuck Bird and yourself, I don’t spend my days hanging out for information about pissed wankers who put their hands down someone’s pants at a party. Call it a quirk.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:09am
      - igm
        
        I would call it a filthy pervert . . . and that is a fact!
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:27am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Neither Chuck nor I do that. The ‘quirk’ appears to be your willingness brush off the sexual offending, and to not advocate for justice being done for the victims.
        
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        September 9, 2018 12:57pm
- Philview
  
  I used to have some personal dealings with a National MP and he went to great lengths to disguise his personal life. The reason being the level of threats made against his wife, children and wider family. This can come from the mentally ill, disgruntled voters or people using intimidation as a political tool.
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:57am
Yvette

Clark is indeed in the news almost every day sharing her opinion on basically everything.

Why?
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September 9, 2018 8:01am
- holysheet
  
  Keep up. It’s all about her book publicity. The more the bitch is in the media the more chances she has of another idiot buying it. If they had any brains and really wanted to read it, wait until it’s in the $2 bin at the Warehouse. It should be in there next week.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I wrote a piece on the wrong Clark, both are irrelevant equally; one is a has been and the other a wannabe
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:33am
- Viking2
  
  One is wondering WTF Clark is up to.
  apparently Peter is her Husband once more.
  Has she had a tranny transplant?
  
  https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/188351-helen-clark-honours-tauranga-suffragette.html
  
  She wants the Gov. Generals Job.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:32am
  - sooty
    
    No she wants to be the president when we go to republic! I.m hoping that she will have fallen of the perch by then. She will not go for been mayor as there will be too much bad publicty.
    
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    September 9, 2018 11:17am
  - lifesgood
    
    Any proof she was snap chatting him? Or is this just more obfuscation?
    
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    September 9, 2018 3:16pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s cos she craves baubles.
  
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  September 9, 2018 1:55pm
holysheet

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a bar.
Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says, “The media are really tearing you apart for that scandal.”
Hillary: “You mean my lying about Benghazi?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the massive voter fraud?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using my secret private server with classified material to hide my activities?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, hiring cronies, and taking bribes from foreign countries?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the drones being operated in our own country without the benefit of the law?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity deals?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The IRS targeting conservatives?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning Libya into chaos?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning our backs on Israel?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The joke Iran Nuke deal?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving Iraq in chaos? ”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance executives?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring citizens’ ?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Threats to all of Bill’s former mistresses to keep them quiet”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! When I stole the White House furniture, silverware and china when Bill left Office?”
Trump: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”.
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September 9, 2018 8:02am
- sooty
  
  Cindy’s catching up.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:46am
  - holysheet
    
    Who would she be in the bar with discussing such important matters of state?
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:07am
- softail 1450
  
  Holysheet, fantastic post,and stupid American liberals are in a frenzy about an anonymous staffer and Trump banging a couple of whores,,,
  If democrats win the midterms liberalism the slow moving cancer is in all of our futures and far worse than it has already infected our country if that’s possible.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:06am
- kevn
  
  @Holy… Well done, good work. Lest we forget.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:16am
Shaun the Sheep

Oh dear, I fear the resident galah will fall off his perch when he reads that.
Much fluttering in the cage, scattering the birdseed, and demands for evidence and references!
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September 9, 2018 8:11am
- waikatogirl
  
  LOL!
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:12am
  - sooty
    
    Love Our Loon!
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:48am
- softail 1450
  
  shaun the sheep, excellent. the farmyard animals will be expecting to be mistreated this morning…
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:48am
NZpatriot

I am worried about the Govt’s Bill to amend monetary policy in the Reserve Bank Act. It’s economically illiterate and will just lead to higher inflation (cos it won’t just focus on price stability under the Bill).

That inflation just eats into our wealth as we save and invest.

I can finally see why people like the National Party – because they’re economically responsible stewards.
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September 9, 2018 8:12am
- igm
  
  NZ: Communism by stealth . . . this is how the left work and appease their vile envious supporters.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:26am
  - Longknives
    
    “NZ: Communism by stealth . . ”
    
    Nothing ‘Stealthy’ about it mate.
    Ardern is all over You Tube spouting Marx and shrieking ‘Comrades,Comrades’ etc
    It’s the Media’s refusal to call her on it that is the most disturbing aspect..
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:56am
- JibberJabber
  
  economically responsible stewards
  
  Yep, the only reason I vote, with a sound economy everything else looks after itself.
  Labour are too thick to understand that one simple reality.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Great post but i feel you over-cooked it.
    
    Could have done without ‘understand that one simple reality’ and the thrust would have still been very obvious.
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:42am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.
  
  Vladimir Lenin
  cindy is a communist
  and we are all “The Bourgeoisie” except her of course.
  enough said?
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:42am
- KevOB
  
  The Reserve Bank has simply got to comply with this Government's beliefs superseding any other alternative reality."
  
  (Multiple attribution is allowed.)
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:03am
- Harkman
  
  Yes interest rates should already be higher than 1.75%, a complete scam.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:06am
  - igm
    
    Like Fat Fairy, RBNZ seem to be following a dangerous fiscal path.
    
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    September 9, 2018 3:53pm
duggledog

Most transparent government ever.

Most transparent PM ever.

Damn right she is, I can see right through her, so I call her

‘Jacindow’
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September 9, 2018 8:14am
- G152
  
  Agreed.
  She’s a pane
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:16am
  - igm
    
    What does she think about her Islamist mates when she sees these types of articles?
    These mongrels are dangerous:
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/facts-are-facts-more-muslim-immigrants-more-rapes/
    
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    September 9, 2018 3:54pm
JibberJabber

Another suit for Elon,
https://www.rt.com/business/437844-lawsuit-tesla-musk-short-sellers/

Tesla internal “resistance”,
http://www.thedrive.com/tech/23444/i-am-part-of-the-resistance-inside-tesla
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September 9, 2018 8:15am
Steve (North Shore)

Wonder where Mike is?
AWOL yesterday. Maybe thinking up yet another pseudonym.
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September 9, 2018 8:19am
- holysheet
  
  What, are you taking the piss? Does the prick actually think?
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:27am
- JibberJabber
  
  LoL, you know they`ve fucked up when even the apologists scuttle away from the sunlight shone on the govts indefensible diabolical incompetence .
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:34am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    He will be here soon, with his shades on – thinking we will not recognise him
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, very interesting that our lefties haven’t been running with the line that Ardern’s delay in dealing with Curren is because she is a compassionate leader…and what the World needs now is a leader who oozes Love and Understanding.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWG7LsIo6nU
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:23am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Even my wife who has been known to vote against my instructions ? has given up her weekendly ritual of watching Q&A and the Nation, fed up finally with the constant BS propagated by these clowns.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:43am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Why do you think they moved the programming to night viewing instead of Sunday am.
      No viewers perhaps?
      Had to move it so could replace it with something that may earn money?
      Al sick making content and lies moved to the “Adult” part of the programming (after 8pm)?
      
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      September 9, 2018 9:59am
- Viking2
  
  Went to Nelson to cheer on the All Blacks I suppose.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:36am
fernglas

When this tax working group files its report, it has the proscription that the family home is not to be subject to any form of tax. It seems pretty clear that there will be a capital gains tax recommended. There are a number of consequences.

First, if capital gains tax is introduced, but excluding the family home, people will invest in their homes, which can only drive housing prices up. If the family home is excluded from CGT, it will disproportionately benefit the wealthy. If my family home was worth $2 million when I bought it, and it went up 10% by the time I sold it, I would have an untaxed capital gain of $200k. If the home was worth $200k, then the untaxed sum would be $20k. With a CGT of 25%, the more expensive house would have avoided CGT of $40k, the other place would have missed paying tax of $4k; a benefit for the owner of the more expensive home of $36k. This benefits the rich.
If someone was one of the 50% who don’t own homes, then there is no benefit at all. Instead, they might put their money in Kiwisaver, which would rely in part on returns from gains in share value and would thus be subject to CGT. The poor would thus be paying proportionately more CGT than the rich.
So the outcome of this working group, subject to its terms of reference will be that:
1) The more you spend on a house, the more untaxed profit you make when its value goes up. This will drive up house prices even more.
2) If you can’t afford a house, but try to put money in Kiwisaver, you will be hit with CGT. So people will steer away from Kiwisaver.
Anyone want to add in some more consequences of a CGT?
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September 9, 2018 8:29am
- RW Capitalist
  
  CAPITAL GAINS TAX:
  ANALYSIS OF REFORM OPTIONS
  FOR AUSTRALIA
  Alan Reynolds
  Senior Fellow and Director of
  Economic Research, Hudson Institute
  (Washington D.C., United States)
  
  Source of capital gain… Taxable capital gain ($m) …..% of total
  Shares ………………………….1,106………….……… 38
  Trust distributions………………. 577…………………. 20
  More than one category………… 502…………………. 17
  Real estate………………………. 377…………………. 13
  Nonlisted personal use assets…….144………………….. 5
  Goodwill on the sale of a business…74…………………. 3
  Plant and equipment………………. 42 ………………….1
  Other………………………………. 78…………………. 3
  Total…………………………….. 2899………………. 100
  
  Note that, the big thing Labour have been pushing “Real Estate is only 4th on the list.
  The big one is shares, which is the way Kiwisaver and National super, largely make their money.
  Special note: Trusts will no longer be safe from the tax man,ie they can now tax your whole family via this. “more than one category” will include shares.
  Read the whole report by Alan Reynolds, it’s scary stuff.
  But you are absolutely correct about National super and Kiwi saver…CGT would tax the capital gain on your retirement funds.
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:48am
  - sooty
    
    When you take the cost to recover CGT, is it worth it?
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:53am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      They will just pass costs (to business) on in the form of compliance. As they do with all other taxes.
      But thought the taxes they could do away with are:
      Provisional tax: effectively tax you pay on money you haven’t earned yet.
      Fringe benefit tax: Obstructing the ability of companies and employees to get creative, for MUTUAL benefit, with employment contracts.
      
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      September 9, 2018 9:01am
      - marcw
        
        This tax was brought in to stop high earners avoiding tax – by paying them in (at the time) non-taxable allowances. Free cars, holidays, parking, mortgage “compensation” – there was no end to the largesse at the expense of the PAYE account. The poor 8 – 5 workers were the losers.
        
        In the end, they became so blatant, they shot themselves in both feet, and now we have the fairer FBT.
        
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        September 9, 2018 9:29am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        marcw…….your argument makes the assumption that TAX is actually the govt.s money.
        Instead of what it is.
        Legalized theft from the actual earners, including wage, salary and business owners. Mandated by parliament.
        You could also see it as mandated charity, when it comes to welfare etc.
        IMO tax (and we should pay some) should be limited to such functions of govt. that individuals can’t do for themselves. (Military, policing, large infrastructure etc)
        Welfare for ONLY the extreme instances of suffering (NOT “material hardship”, if you don’t have an IPAD…get a job)
        Things that could be privatized or partially privatized:
        ACC
        Education
        Health
        State housing
        Reduce taxes and encourage SELF reliance.
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:08am
- KevOB
  
  CGT has been rejected previously. Too complex to be fair and doubtful economically. An envy tax.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:07am
  - fernglas
    
    It’s going to happen. You describe it as an “envy tax”. That is what it is, and that is why it will happen, albeit under the guise of reducing inequality.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:17am
    - KevOB
      
      CGT still has to be actually implemented. I’ve been in that territory. Shares are difficult to value which makes taxpayer objections likely. Even quotable securities vary daily and is it fair to tax last years gains without recognising losses too? Do we have the army of valuers and lawyers required?
      Interests in trusts and companies are a valuation can of worms.
      
      There are very good reasons why CGT has been rejected previously. It is not a substitute for taxes on income or GST.
      
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      September 9, 2018 12:51pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Exactly the reasons why labour will push for it.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:19am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Leftie envy tax: What’s your’s is mine, and what is mine is my own. ?
      
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      September 9, 2018 9:57am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Remember this “Genius” from the occupy protests several years ago?
        http://humanevents.com/2011/11/17/occupy-wall-street-genius-says-hes-against-private-property-not-personal-property/
        
        And that’s because he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.
        
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        September 9, 2018 11:47am
  - JibberJabber
    
    An envy tax.
    Guess it`s a done deal then, too good for the Labour parasites to pass up.
    The next national Govt had better repeal this travesty, I won`t hold my breath tho`.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:20am
- redeye
  
  I wonder if QV are going to be swamped with valuation work? One in which everyone will be hoping for high valuations. Which will then increase you local council rates.
  Or will the capital gain apply from the original purchase price? That could be expensive. I have a mate that bought his million dollar home in the 70’s for around 40k.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:10am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Read item #6 Business good will.
    All business’ will be subject to CGT when sold.
    So how do you decide what the capital gain is?
    1. You must value all business’ for tax purposes immediately.
    2. declare the sale price of your business.
    So ALL business’ will have to PAY for an independent valuation, at the instigation of the law.
    Begs other questions:
    If you hand over the business to your kid, does that constitute a sale and therefore require the business to be revalued and the difference taxed?
    If any property (including a business) is willed (on your death) to someone does that have to be valued and CGT payed?…estate taxes by proxy?
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:18am
    - redeye
      
      therefore require the business to be revalued and the difference taxed?
      And if it’s a revalue is less, a refund?
      
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      September 9, 2018 9:26am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Sarcasm will hence forth be taxed.
        At a rate determined by us…..
        All together now, sing the lyrics to
        1984.
        
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        September 9, 2018 9:34am
  - KevOB
    
    Most of the valuation work for an expansive CGT would fall on IRD staff and accountants. Valuation of company shares or other entitlements can be a long and difficult process specially when objection processes are involved when contrary opinions may need to be resolved in Court.
    
    The real estate bright line test is in the easy-peasy class.
    
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    September 9, 2018 12:59pm
  - fernglas
    
    I think they will bring it in slowly, so it would apply to properties and businesses acquired after the implementation date. Tax could then be ascertained on any final sale price, which means it will take years to show any return on the investment that will be needed in the IRD. I should observe that the tax on businesses could easily be a form of double taxation, given that most of the value in any business derives from the application of taxable income to acquire plant and a future income stream
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:38pm
- artemisia
  
  Growth shares, as opposed to income shares, will become less attractive to investors. And not just retail investors. They are already at the risky end of the spectrum and will be seen as more risky. That will impact businesses.
  
  Those owners thinking about selling up assets anyway, will bring the sale forward if their sums make it advantageous. Businesses, rentals, commercial property, farms, shares. Use the dosh for the home mansion, luxury cruises, de Kooning, gold bars.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:50am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Encourages the govt to run high inflation – if there is 2% inflation for 10 years that you own a home then that is 22% rise in values with no real rise in value. EG $1000k house sells at $1220k after 10 years. Govt takes 30% of rise in CGT =$66k and you have lost about 5% of your money in real terms. Real estate agents rob you of another 3-4%
  
  Inflation effectively become a means of robbing the taxpayers – just as it is with tax on other investments.
  
  Solution is that tax should only be on increases above inflation.
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:04am
EAD_TWO

Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler in new film

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12121614

We have reached maximum, student politics hysteria.

Everyone is Hitler/Nazis, ALL the time and EVERYWHERE! Obama was at it yesterday and Corbyn’s knee-deep in it every day❗

There’s nowhere for all of this to go – it’s Manichean mud-wrestling from now on!
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September 9, 2018 8:32am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Godwyns law?
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:50am
- MCos
  
  I would have thought that was a compliment in your world.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:06am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and your comment PROVES Godwyns law!!!
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:11am
    - gump
      
      Godwin’s Law isn’t useful when you’re discussing self declared Nazi sympathisers like EADolf.
      
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      September 9, 2018 9:52am
- lilman
  
  Obama what a fucking coward.
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    Like Trump’s draft dodging and shafting contractors and workers?
    
    Not to speak of his draft dodging and groping predations?
    
    Coward indeed !
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:11am
    - Cobolt24
      
      Trump had bone spurs in his feet and doctors have him a 1-Y meaning he could be drafted but not for long term service.
      Later they brought in the lottery draft and got a 356 which meant it was never pulled out.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:29am
      - gump
        
        The bone spurs don’t seem to stop him regularly playing tennis or golf.
        
        Isn’t that strange?
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:51am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not really. Bone Spurs shouldn’t prevent that.
        ‘In many cases, a bone spur will not cause any pain or problems. Even in cases where there is pain, it may not be caused by the spur itself but the underlying condition (arthritis, disease, degeneration).’
        https://www.verywellhealth.com/bone-spurs-osteophyte-definition-2548492
        
        There’s quite a wide range of things which disqualify people from joining the Armed Services.
        Ingrown toenail!
        https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-medical-standards-for-enlistment-and-appointment-3354020
        I guess they want the best.
        
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        September 9, 2018 11:09am
      - gump
        
        @All_on_Red
        
        I agree that there are quite a wide range of things which disqualify people from joining the Armed Services: those things include Cowardice and Daddy’s money.
        
        Trump refused to serve and bashes those who actually did. It’s not hard to understand why he is regarded with contempt by the US armed services.
        
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        September 9, 2018 12:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Comprehension isn’t one of your strong suits is it.
        He wasn’t allowed to serve because of his Medical condition. And then he didn’t get drafted. If you think not getting drafted is cowardice then you’re a moron.
        If you think Daddy somehow bribed his way out then present evidence to the NYT. They’ll be happy to get it. I’m sure they’ve been looking hard for a looong time.
        If you’ve ever seen him at Military rallies I think you’ll find they like him- a lot.Especially given all the support he has been giving Vets and the increase in budgets.
        
        Heres an idea. Stop telling lies.
        
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        September 9, 2018 12:24pm
      - gump
        
        Trump: “”I consider my health, stamina and strength one of my greatest assets”
        
        All_on_Red: “He wasn’t allowed to serve because of his Medical condition.”
        
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        September 9, 2018 12:48pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘‘In many cases, a bone spur will not cause any pain or problems.’
        
        Bone spurs disqualify people from the Armed Services.
        
        Gimpy
        Your TDS is making you quite stupid.
        It’s funny to watch though.
        
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        September 9, 2018 1:00pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Take your pick of despots to quote.
      Lenin, Stalin, Goebbels…they all said
      “A lie told often enough becomes the truth”
      You promulgating a lie (over and over) as we have learned, does not make it true.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:39am
    - pentwig
      
      stupidthing
      “groping predations”
      good grief, what about your ogling little girls predations? (self confessed)
      a sick thing indeed!!
      
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      September 9, 2018 11:15am
    - kloyd0306
      
      When Trump gets a blow job under the Oval Office desk from an intern ……. oh wait, that Democrat Slick Willie
      
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      September 9, 2018 1:52pm
oldpark

Was wondering who was the joke or the comic of the week. Was it “Commie Chic Comrade” Ardern or Duncan Garner. His quip was that Claire Curran was so pissed off waiting for the Peters selected PM Ardern to fire her,without luck, and in the end she had to fire herself.What a great “Leader” who operates in kiddie kindies afraid to upset anyone. Peters sure knew what he was doing. Maybe a third joker, Peters. A’iant that the truth.
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September 9, 2018 8:33am
- waikatogirl
  
  They may well all be comics oldpark, but I fear the voters are the butt of the joke. It is us who pay the piper who are suffering their ongoing and increasingly bizarre incompetence. ?
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:42am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “…..who are suffering their ongoing and increasingly bizarre incompetence. ?”
    and corrupt dishonesty!…
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:52am
JibberJabber

The thousand vote wonder, no argument just abuse cos` “wacism”, the only rebuttal needed in the world of ideological dreamers.
Speaks volumes about the worth of the current education climate that this person got a “degree”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106867196/social-media-cna-prove-a-minefield-for-politicians
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September 9, 2018 8:39am
- iMP
  
  Jibber, wacism is ray-cyst!
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:47am
- holysheet
  
  Something simple for Golly g to complain about;
  
  I Fostered a Muslim over the weekend. A six pack, right between the eyes.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:13am
- Ross12
  
  I must be slow but how does she justify this comment about NF?
  “He was trying to make discrimination legal”
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:24am
  - marcw
    
    Nothing but a sound bite that the MSM gratefully echo. Accuracy? Source? You have to be joking.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:32am
  - waikatogirl
    
    It’s not you that is slow Ross12. Golly Gosh, with her big cow eyes, is the one lacking ‘brian’ cells. ?
    
    (‘brian’, referencing sb.)
    
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    September 9, 2018 12:47pm
secondcumming

The missus has taken the kids to Mass.

What I’m listening to this morning……..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmfI8SuWsAAXHb0.jpg
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September 9, 2018 8:41am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  You should have gone to mass and got some different ‘brownie’ points
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:46am
- softail 1450
  
  SC that could come back like a boomerang,,,,,,
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:53am
sooty

Will labour try to deflect some of the bad news by feeding lines of bullshit in the next week like.
Wooden you like to know the sex camo pervert.
Isn’t Meka Muss been charged.
Plagerism on the babyee book.
David Clarks jobs for mates.
Clares releasing nationals travel costs.
Helen Clark goes to NY to pave the way.
Where does it end?
How about another PM, what’s one more!
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September 9, 2018 8:42am
- Longknives
  
  I’m fascinated as to who is financing this book about Neve Ardern (Which is reportedly going to be disseminated around Schools and PreSchools Nationwide)
  If (As I strongly suspect) it is the long-suffering NZ Taxpayer I would assume National will raise Hell about it?
  Has there been a more blatant and tasteless Propaganda stunt in NZ Political History?
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:53am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.
    Vladimir Lenin
    She is a communist after all.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:09am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      My God, a dastardly plot to teach children not to wake sleeping babies – those damn communists!
      
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      September 9, 2018 11:16am
  - calendar girl
    
    You’re onto it, LK. Two obvious means of Government financing of the kiddies’ book:
    a) Providing or facilitating easy access to Government grants to the writer and / or illustrator to ‘assist’ their creative efforts; and
    b) ‘Encouraging’ schools (many ways available) to use part of their Govt. funding to purchase the book in quantities that will allow it to be used as a basic text for young children’s classroom study.
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:44am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    I’m fascinated as to who is financing this book about Neve Ardern…
    
    But not so fascinated you’d look it up? The book is published by Hachette, a French-owned multinational corporation. If any taxpayers’ money is involved, the taxpayers are French.
    
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    September 9, 2018 11:15am
    - calendar girl
      
      Good try, Milt. But please explain to us cynics (about the tactics of Socialists) why a French publisher can’t be paid from New Zealand sources. There’s already at least one convenient conduit in place:
      
      Ambassade de Nouvelle-Zélande
      103 rue de Grenelle
      Paris 75007
      
      Tel: +33 (0)1 45 01 43 43
      Website: http://www.mfat.govt.nz/france
      
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      September 9, 2018 5:51pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        I think your tinfoil hat’s on too tight.
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:28pm
  - oldpark
    
    Maybe they believe NZ voters have deep pockets and really are” Naive” even if the claptrap is about “Neve”.
    
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    September 9, 2018 12:19pm
- Paulus
  
  Understand Ardern is to give a Statement to the Nation at 4 pm this afternoon.
  Hope it is to call an Election but doubt it.
  
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  September 9, 2018 2:20pm
krazykiwi

Ten State Highway policing hot-spots across New Zealand revealed
:::
“This is not a list of the ‘highest-risk’ or ‘most dangerous’ sections of state highway, but rather the sections of state highway where, based on current evidence, targeted enforcement and other speed management measures will deliver the greatest overall safety benefits in terms of crash reduction and the prevention of deaths and serious injuries,” Wilson said.

Weasle words. If these aren’t the most dangerous bits of road then the greatest overall benefit is easy revenue.
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September 9, 2018 8:49am
- srylands
  
  Don’t worry. More cycleways will fix those dangerous roads.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:00am
- marcw
  
  I’m suprised the Katikati-Tauranga highway is not here. Is this a political omission? Is it to excuse Twyford downgrading the priority so that Simon Bridges’ electorate is starved of (promised) funding? Whatever the reason, I think it is wrong to have left it out.
  
  Also, the Templeton-Rolleston highway is currently in the midst a major motorway upgrade – well under way under the National administration. It will be finished by 2020.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:16am
  - Viking2
    
    Most is not Simon’s seat but Scott Simpson is the MP. Todd Muller was bought up in the Te Puna area.
    
    The problem is and has always been that this area is safe National with the only time that it wasn’t was when Winston left and formed NZ First. He had a big following here.
    Bob the builder moved Winston on and Simon pushed out Bob which suited the blue rinse lovely’s but didn’t fix anything.
    Simon pissed Winston off even more when the second Harbour Bridge was opened and remember that Winston played a big roll in getting both bridges built. The second one by twisting Clark’s arm to form that coalition.
    Simon and his fools decided that even though he was almost a new MP he would open the new bridge and Winston was told not to come.
    
    And so many of you wonder why Winston is pissed with the Nats.
    
    Unlike Hawkes Bay where they have less population, a tiny port, and the best roads in the North Island. tough competition for seats.
    
    The govt. sets the priorities not the NZTA. Unfortunately.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:53am
    - wiseowl
      
      Hey.
      Our Port is huuuge and humming.We dont need any more population in HB.
      At the moment so many road cones it’s like playing dodgems wherever you go.
      They have built a road for $14 million that was unnecessary and are funneling all the traffic on to the expressway , toward a narrow bridge that should have been the first thing to upgrade.
      Just spend money .
      Taxpayers and ratepayers have plenty.
      
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      September 9, 2018 11:07am
- holysheet
  
  And plod wonder why we have so little respect for them.
  Hamilton to Tamahere is down to 70 ks. It’s a massive construction site for the Waikato express way.
  You think the dumb arses would get that right.
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:19am
Komata

sooty

Re ‘How about another PM, what’s one more!’

The name’s ‘Simon’, same ideas, same results, just coloured ‘blue’…
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September 9, 2018 8:50am
Manolo

Would stephieboy open his home to these brazen invaders? I think he would…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6142429/African-migrants-chase-UK-bound-vans-France-easier-target-drivers.html

African ‘teenage’ migrants are targeting trucks heading for the UK in small port town in northern France because it’s easier to get on board than in Calais, a report has claimed.
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September 9, 2018 8:50am
- secondcumming
  
  TBH, even I’m actually having a bit of a ‘change of heart’ about some of those hard-done-by New Zealand residents living in Oz, who have fallen foul of Australian law……and now face deportation back to this country.
  
  One such case has particularly caught my attention, to such an extent that I have already written to the Minister of Justice offering my help, either by way of mentoring, guidance, or even accommodation, should it be required on their arrival back here.
  
  https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1037924577966522368
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Lovely idea, she might even take your kiddies to Mass each Sunday and leave you and the Missus to have a well-earned lie-in.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:30am
  - Viking2
    
    Want her drug problems as well?
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:57am
Komata

Double posted, can’t delete (‘Key’ not working) .

Apologies.
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September 9, 2018 8:51am
wiseowl

I flicked on Red Radio briefly this morning and caught this female MP going on and on about women and how hard done by they are, been to some womens meeting in europe, need more talk fests and a continual reference to our country as something beginning with A……
I was bloody wound up by the end of it thinking who is this Labour or Green MP.

Then they said that was Jo Hayes , National MP.

I will never ever , ever vote for National with MP,s that are not proud of New Zealand and are full on leftists putting the boot in to males.
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September 9, 2018 8:56am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, but that’s the National Party at the moment, isn’t it.
  They join in with every populist activist cause going to keep up with Jacinda.
  It would be so great if they could just think for themselves and have confidence that a hell of a lot of women and men out here support them and don’t feel the need to buy into feminist socialism.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:30am
  - Viking2
    
    Expect that they have all learned “kumbya’ by now.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:58am
- gump
  
  So you won’t vote for a party that publically acknowledges that there are problems in NZ?
  
  Sounds like you’d be happier living in a country where criticism of the state is a criminal offence. Have you considered moving to North Korea?
  
  Acknowledging and fixing problems in your country is the ultimate expression of patriotic respect. It demonstrates that you actually care about your country.
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:13am
- VicParking
  
  What about National female MP’s who are had a bill drawn from the ballot that will make Maori compulsory in Primary schools. Nikki Kaye’s A Ho.
  
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  September 9, 2018 3:10pm
Monique Watson

I got three Mexicans in in the backyard.
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September 9, 2018 8:57am
- JibberJabber
  
  Are they building a wall?
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:06am
  - holysheet
    
    Nah they are distilling her weekly stash of tequila.
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:15am
- sooty
  
  While they are there get them to weed the garden and mow the lawn.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:11am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Sounds like the title of a new board game.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:26am
flipper

Now, back to the battle of the viewing audiences …
Who won?
The ABs or the Otara-Mangere mob?
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September 9, 2018 9:03am
- secondcumming
  
  I had one eye on the telly and a tranny stuck in my ear.
  
  Those Aussie league commenters are fantastic…..like this little gem: “Johnston comes up with the ball. but they’re all over ‘im like Calamine Lotion!”
  
  BOL!!
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:20am
  - G152
    
    Did the trannie thank you after ???? 🙂
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:23am
  - howitis
    
    “a tranny stuck in my ear”
    
    Was that Bradley Manning?
    I hear he has come already…. to NZ 🙂
    
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    September 9, 2018 11:02am
- RW Capitalist
  
  With all the bull shit
  Warriors talking themselves up
  All Blacks trying to be the under dogs.
  I completely forgot to watch.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:28am
  - JibberJabber
    
    During the week I heard some sheila on the Sound sports news say the Panthers wouldn`t worry the Warriors, immediately thought well that`s them fucked then, shoulda put some money on it. ?
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:50am
srylands

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/106520758/reo-rua-a-mua-how-kiwis-will-talk-in-2040

The comments on this article are brutal.

My guess is the proportion of the population speaking te reo competently will decline from four percent to two percent by 2040. If I had school aged kids now I’d be encouraging them to learn Spanish or Mandarin. And I would be pissed off if they were being forced to learn te reo.

I am currently learning basic Japanese because I am motivated. I plan repeated travel to Japan. I have no motivation to use my scarce time to learn te reo.
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September 9, 2018 9:13am
- holysheet
  
  You are just a bloody wrasist. Te Rio is a part of Te Tweety.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:19am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Did i miss that? Is it just after partnership? Before cede?
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:26am
- simpleton1
  
  It seems that maori speakers do not speak with a “macron plum in the mouth”, that is te reo Māori.
  
  But Apanui said there was a big focus on taking Māori language speakers and turning them into teachers. He wanted to go the other way. “I’d rather go to a great teacher and teach them te reo Māori and then let them loose.”
  
  So maori speakers have to be taught how to speak maori, that is according to the rules.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:36am
  - KevOB
    
    Wot rulz?
    
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    September 9, 2018 1:25pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Why Spanish?
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:08pm
wreck1080

Police are cracking down on ten state highways….

In their words….
“This is not a list of the ‘highest-risk’ or ‘most dangerous’ sections of state highway, but rather the sections of state highway where, based on current evidence, targeted enforcement and other speed management measures will deliver the greatest overall safety benefits”

Surely the most dangerous or high risk roads are also the ones that enforcement will be most effective?

I can’t believe they are not targeting SH2 between waihi and tauranga…. this is one of the most dangerous stretches of roads with high traffic volumes , poor road quality, and abysmal driver behaviour. Lot of deaths result.

Or, are cops just saying some roads are just plain dangerous regardless of driver behaviour so no point targeting drivers?
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September 9, 2018 9:16am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Follow the money.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:27am
- DigNap15
  
  Which brings me to today’s Maori vocab lesson.
  Today’s missing word is Elocution
  E L O C U T I O N
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:43am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Elocution isn’t an English word, it’s Latin. One to add to your future series on how English is a crap language full of words that were made up in modern times or borrowed from other languages.
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Elocution is an English word.
      
      It is derived from the Latin _ Elocutio/Elocutionis
      
      But in no way do you decline Elocutio to get the spelling form Elocution
      
      https://www.latin-is-simple.com/en/vocabulary/noun/8955/
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:45am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        I’m aware of that, but dumb-cunt posting the anti-Maori comments on a daily basis seems to believe loan words are not part of the language, so it’s only fair to apply the same principle to his comments.
        
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        September 9, 2018 11:19am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Please be more precise PM
        It’s ‘dumb racist c**t’.
        
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        September 9, 2018 12:30pm
    - Flash
      
      One of the reasons that English is the most widely spoken language in the world is that so many of its words have been absorbed from other languages which enables great subtlety of expression. Purists like to be appalled by the mongrel English language, and often cite France, which has a committee in Paris which edits/bans words from other languages in French dictionaries –
      If you look at the derivations of English words in a reputable dictionary, you will see acknowledgement of the original language. e.g. :
      elocution: n. 1. the art of clear and expressive speech, esp of distinct pronunciation and articulation. 2. a particular style of speaking (L . elecutio L. eloqui elocut: speak out)
      
      Copied from my elderly Concise Oxford.
      
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      September 9, 2018 11:13am
      - MCos
        
        Mandarin is spoken by twice as many people as English.
        
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        September 9, 2018 1:27pm
    - KevOB
      
      If you do don’t like English don’t use it. I’m sure the deprecation of it and then to lend its words to Maori meet with your approval.
      
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      September 9, 2018 1:29pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      English is a crap language …
      
      … that underpinned the development of trade, modern medicine, education and diplomacy.
      
      So yeah, like you say, crap.
      
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      September 9, 2018 1:35pm
  - itstricky
    
    http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=elocution
    
    Today’s tip: People don’t use printed dictionaries so much these days.
    
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    September 9, 2018 11:49am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes I will be holding Genter and Twford personally responsible for every death on that road.
  Its been a death trap for years, too narrow,, not enough passing lances, downward banks on either side of the road, small or no shoulders!
  It was one of National’s Nation roads of signifiance.
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:45am
  - gump
    
    So you going to hold politicians responsible for road deaths, rather than the people that cause the accidents?
    
    Is there no concept of personal responsibility in your world view?
    
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    September 9, 2018 12:05pm
  - itstricky
    
    Yes I will be holding Genter and Twford personally responsible
    
    Today’s word: causality
    
    C-A-U-S-A-L-I-T-Y
    
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    September 9, 2018 12:24pm
  - RF
    
    Is Genter the one that promised she would reduce the road toll to zero ?
    
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    September 9, 2018 12:41pm
dime

Obama goes full retard.

We know he lacks class and can’t shut the fuck up now he’s out of office..

But now he’s claiming americas booming economy is due to him lol

The pbs clip sums up him perfectly

https://youtu.be/593fXEulwh0
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- stephieboy
  
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  dime,
  
  “But now he’s claiming americas booming economy is due to him lol”
  
  But it is true. Economic recovery does not happen with Donnie just spreading fairy dust.
  
  I think Donnie’s disapproval rating suggests the US public understand that.
  
  LOL
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:51am
  - dime
    
    keep saying it and I’m sure that will become true LOL
    
    if you weren’t a creepy old perve who still lived with his mum id show you some stats and graphs LOL
    
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    September 9, 2018 9:58am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “But it is true. Economic recovery does not happen with Donnie just spreading fairy dust.”
    Excellent observation
    Economic growth and lower unemployment came from
    Lower Taxes
    Border security (stopping the drugs and the dregs)
    Reducing regulations
    Encouraging key industries to grow.
    Signing FARE trade agreements and doing away with one’s that ripped them off.
    NOTE:
    Our govt. is doing the opposite.
    and
    The opposite results are happening.
    Go figure???
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      As I stated economic recovery does not happen almost overnight with Donnie waving his magic fairy wand!.
      
      Consider the 2007 – 8 finacial depression and where the US come from there.
      
      https://www.thebalance.com/2007-financial-crisis-overview-3306138
      
      It was the former President you had to clean up that mess of which the present one is a very fortunate beneficiary.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:36am
      - All_on_Red
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:39am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        So the words “almost overnight” are invisible in your first comment.
        Making it up as you go along huh?
        Point for you to remember:
        When you say something (and it’s not recorded) you can deny it.
        When you write it on a blog post, it’s there for all to see.
        It would appear that your blog posts are not only like a window, showing your stupidity, they are actually a magnifying glass, neon sign pointing it out.
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘The Wall Street Journal asked 68 business, financial and academic economists who was responsible for the strengthening of the economy, and most “suggested Mr. Trump’s election deserves at least some credit” for the upturn.
        A majority said the president had been “somewhat” or “strongly” positive for job creation, gross domestic product growth and the rising stock market.
        The pros cite the White House’s push for lighter regulation and the recent tax bill as critical to a pro-growth environment; more than 90 percent of the group thought the tax bill would boost GDP expansion over the next two years.’
        http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy
        
        Also
        https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/09/obamas_sore_spot_trumps_soaring_economy.html
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:49am
      - Fletch
        
        It is worth pointing out that even Obama and his economic advisers did not think the economy would be what it once was. Obama never had even a single calendar year of 3 percent GDP growth. His actual post-recession average was an anemic 2.1 percent and his final year in office was a dismal 1.5 percent.
        
        It was so bad that Obama’s administration were telling people that a declining economy was the new normal – that America had had an unreal period of economic growth and that it was somewhat artificial and America was now stabilizing.
        
        In early 2017, with the Trump administration forecasting a return to 3 percent GDP growth, Obama administration economist Lee Branstetter claimed that after 8 years of the Obama “recovery”, it was “essentially mathematically impossible to get the growth they’re talking about.” Obama administration economist Jason Furman forecast ten years of GDP growth “around 2 percent a year.” Fellow Obama economist Larry Summers likened believing in the administration’s forecast of 3 percent GDP growth to believing “in tooth fairies and ludicrous supply-side economics.”
        
        http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/04/23/andy-puzder-what-trump-haters-dont-get-about-incredible-power-american-capitalism.html
        
        So Obama is now claiming credit for something that neither he nor his economic advisers expected? As usual, he is full of it. He didn’t even think it was possible, nor did he expect Trump could pull it off. He has a lot of cheek claiming credit for it.
        
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        September 9, 2018 12:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, another irony alert at its richest and most profound,
        
        Donoald Trump and leaks ,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz2MYuttlv8
        
        And your big faux paux re Trumps approval ratings.
        
        Snigger
        
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        September 9, 2018 2:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
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        Sigh
        Trump was at 48% Approval rating on Friday so yes that means 52% disapprove.
        Obama at the same time was 5 points lower at 43% so 57% disapprove.
        You quote Gallup but they no longer do Daily Polling. And they Poll registered voters not Likely Voters like Rasmussen does- which is more accurate.
        You’re so thick. Don’t you get embarrassed?
        
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        September 9, 2018 3:06pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed, the facts are that according to Rassumen, Trump’s approval rating is a very low one.
        
        Nothing to be proud of.
        
        From yesterday,
        
        Daily Presidential tracking poll
        
        Friday, September 07, 2018
        
        The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.
        
        The latest figures include 32% who Strongly Approve of the president is performing and 43% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. (see
        
        trends).
        
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_sep07
        
        LOL All on Red KB’s dumbest poster !
        
        Go and suck eggs!
        
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        September 9, 2018 3:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re so dumb
        48% is high.
        And at the same time during his Presidency,Obamas was 5 points lower.
        You really don’t know anything aye.
        
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        September 9, 2018 3:17pm
  - Fletch
    
    Even NBC admits Trump set the economy on fire. It’s capitalism, stupid!
    
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/how-trump-has-set-economic-growth-on-fire.html
    
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    September 9, 2018 12:30pm
- Paulus
  
  Of course I understand that Obama can stand again for President.
  Two terms then a break I understand is allowed.
  Assume he has started making his pitch but Hillary will not like it.
  
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  September 9, 2018 2:27pm
DigNap15

Yes I told Stuff this morning to stop trying to ram Maori down our throats.
Who says we need 1 million speakers of Maori?

I’d like to encourage Maori to learn to speak basic English with full sentences, and proper grammar and some decent elocution.

Tourists come here and laugh at their pigeon English!
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September 9, 2018 9:40am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Chur bro
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Yobo!
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:13am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Is that a Moari word?
      No macrons
      
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      September 9, 2018 3:47pm
- stephieboy
  
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  DiNap15 , our “professional linguist” needs to understand that languages adapt and evolve due to changing history and culture borrowing words, phrases here and there. English, as you must know, is a good example of this.
  
  Try to put aside your blinkered bigoted, prejudiced assumptions and beliefs and look at the issue of te reo Maori anew
  
  PS , you might like to link an audio of you “stellar” elocution skills ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WvIwkL8oLc
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:59am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You “ stellar” elocution skills ?
    
    your stellar elocution skills?
    
    Remind me why we don’t need an English language week?
    
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    September 9, 2018 11:35am
    - Jack5
      
      The Stephiestanis speak Stani-english, a pidgin frozen in the days of the Raj.
      
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      September 9, 2018 7:18pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        I think he’s just a twat.
        
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        September 9, 2018 7:29pm
  - Inandout
    
    Yet your Koran remains fixed in the 7th century.
    
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    September 9, 2018 3:29pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Tourists come here and laugh at their pigeon English!
  
  Well, I certainly had a good laugh at your “pigeon” English. Have you considered becoming fluent in English yourself?
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A popular folk-etymology for pidgin is English pigeon, a bird sometimes used for carrying brief written messages
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin
    I forsee pidgeon will become the preferred spelling for the bird and the bastard language.
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:33am
    - SGA
      
      Surely not, Maggy – English wouldn’t change that way would it?
      
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      September 9, 2018 11:05am
  - Jack5
    
    Psycho, can you please elaborate on what you mean by your reference to the earlier poster’s “Tourists come here and laugh at their pigeon English!”?
    
    I’m guessing on your direction: sometimes correct grammar needs to be taken in context to establish to whom pronouns are referring.
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:26pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Nothing so fancy, just pointing out that someone who calls pidgin English “pigeon English” shouldn’t be deriding other races for their poor English skills.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:33pm
- SGA
  
  @DigNap15
  
  I’d like to encourage Maori to learn to speak basic English with full sentences, and proper grammar and some decent elocution.
  
  Just the Maori? Henry Higgins summed it up best –
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAYUuspQ6BY
  
  (by the way, it’s “pidgin” not “pigeon”, and it means something a bit different from the way that you are using it. Interestingly, Pidgin derives from a Chinese pronunciation of the English word business – the language that the Chinese used to conduct business with the English a couple of hundred years ago)
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:56am
kevn

yo bro
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September 9, 2018 9:49am
- stephieboy
  
  And another Yobo!
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

I tried looking for some Official site to find out just how many Language Weeks we have in NZ (and when they are celebrated)…
I could only locate a calendar on the Min of Education -Curriculum site

http://nzcurriculum.tki.org.nz/Curriculum-resources/National-events-and-the-NZC#collapsible1

Looks like we only have
NZ Sign Language week (7-13 May)
Chinese L.W. 23-29 Sept
Samoa 27May-2 June
Cook Is 29 July-4 Aug
Tongan 2-8 Sept
Maori 10-16Sept
Tuvalu 30 Sept – 6 Oct
Fiji 7-13 Oct
Niue 14-20 Oct
Tokelau Sometime in Nov
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September 9, 2018 10:15am
- RW Capitalist
  
  What ??? No English language week???
  or would that be racist?
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:20am
  - stephieboy
    
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    RW Capitalist, as English is the dominant and preferred language of most there is no necessity for it to be so.
    
    I see no harm diverse cultures celebrating their mother tounges. It is not a though it is compulsory or personally affects you.
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:27am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “I see no harm diverse cultures celebrating their mother tounges”
      I’d agree with you if:
      They did it at their OWN expense.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:31am
    - holysheet
      
      Who do you think pays for all the advertising and other shit to remind these fuckers to speak their` own language at least once a year?
      Us the taxpayer, so yes it does affect us all.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:34am
    - mandk
      
      If dominance and preference are the criteria, we should teach Mandarin and Spanish alongside English and forget the rest
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:41am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Tongue
      Mother tongue.
      
      Remind me why we don’t need English language week?
      
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      September 9, 2018 11:20am
      - Jack5
        
        Nope, Shaun, in Stephiestan, they have a mother tounge.
        
        Rosted on Kiwiblog today we have one of the more aggressive, younger Stephies, perhaps the one who perves on young girls at malls. His command of English is weak.
        
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        September 9, 2018 7:22pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        A Sheik’s tounge….(lounge inside a tent)
        https://www.tripadvisor.co.za/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g1438525-d1438409-i90880345-1000_Nights_Camp-Wahiba_Sands_Ash_Sharqiyah_Governorate.html
        
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        September 9, 2018 7:39pm
- holysheet
  
  No wonder the plebs are such shit English speakers. There is no English language week.
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:25am
  - stephieboy
    
    holycrap, provide us with an audio/video of you” undoubted elocution and Queens English skills?
    
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    September 9, 2018 10:30am
    - holysheet
      
      Why? Those that know me comment on how good my English pronunciation can be. It’s well hidden on here because the likes of you wouldn’t understand good English. We just have to look at your poorly constructed and written posts to see you would benefit from an English language decade. Even then your feeble brain would ask for citations and links with the customary LOL.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:41am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Even then your feeble brain
        
        I thought we had all agreed the spelling is now BRIAN
        
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        September 9, 2018 11:10am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      … You” undoubted elocution and Queens English skills?
      
      … your undoubted elocution and Queen’s English skills?
      
      Remind me why we don’t need an English language week?
      
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      September 9, 2018 11:24am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I’d like to have a Scottish Language Week and they speak English – sort of.
    Have stopped watching the rerun of Taggart on Sunday nights. Can understand a word they say.
    
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    September 9, 2018 11:20am
    - holysheet
      
      The best line was “There is a muddar in the hoose”
      
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      September 9, 2018 12:13pm
      - Swifty
        
        Heh.
        
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        September 9, 2018 12:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      What about our other Official Language “Sign Language” week.
      
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      September 9, 2018 2:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        As shown on my list above…
        it was in May…
        
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        September 9, 2018 3:17pm
    - Jack5
      
      Many regard Scots English as an independent language springing of Middle English, or older, rather than as an English dialect.
      
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      September 9, 2018 7:29pm
- KevOB
  
  This would be funny if the Mr Ed dept wern’t serious.
  
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  September 9, 2018 1:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Seems Hindi is the 4th most commonly spoken language in NZ…
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_New_Zealand
  
  Conspicuous by its absence in the list above.
  
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  September 9, 2018 3:28pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Editorial in the “Vodafone” TV guide
  “…..This month we will be celebrating, Maori language week”
  Really? A week becomes a month?
  
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  September 9, 2018 4:47pm
- dave_c_
  
  Maggie – also to mention ‘political psychobabble’ 1 Jan-31 Dec.
  
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  September 10, 2018 4:20pm
slightlyrighty

I went to Megan Woods Wikipedia page.

This little snippet from her speech for selection as a Labour Candidate caught my attention.

“Growing up here in the 1980s, I watched people lose their jobs. I saw workplaces like the Addington Workshops shut their doors forever. Now I am 36 years old and am watching jobs disappear from our communities again.”

Does she not realise that she has done exactly the same to the oil and gas industry? Is she that fucking stupid?
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September 9, 2018 10:45am
- RW Capitalist
  
  It’s 2018 right?
  She is 36 years old?
  So born in 1982?
  Begs a couple of questions.
  1. she missed 20% of the 80’s
  2. By the time she could possibly peer over her pram, Lange was PM & labour in Govt.
  3.By the time she was old enough to even understand the language describing politics, the 80’s were over.
  4. read it in a book somewhere?
  
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  September 9, 2018 10:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, she was born in 1973… she’s 44
    
    Slightyright’s quote was not from 2018
    
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    September 9, 2018 11:12am
    - harrygee
      
      So she had a son when she was 24 then, probably conceived on a camping trip.
      
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      September 9, 2018 11:45am
      - holysheet
        
        While in charge of handing out the piss to the underage yoof.
        
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        September 9, 2018 12:15pm
      - Paulus
        
        You mean at conceived at a Labour Party Conference
        
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        September 9, 2018 2:31pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Your math is good, and it’s not variable arithmetic with a roving decimal point (that’s what the left use)
        
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        September 9, 2018 3:55pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      So, she was 7 in 1980 WOW, only just learned to read, “the cat in the hat.”
      By 1990 she was still a minor and not left college.
      Are we taking the account of children now?
      
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      September 9, 2018 1:08pm
      - itstricky
        
        So, she was 7 in 1980 WOW, only just learned to read
        
        You were 7 and still only reading ‘The Cat in the Hat*’?
        
        WOW. Oh well, good to see you overcame that and can string a sentence together now.
        
        * Note: capitalisation
        
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        September 9, 2018 4:34pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        No “Itstrickly”
        I was reading “the cat in the hat at age 3 1/2.
        By 17 I was reading stage one “quantum theory”
        
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        September 9, 2018 4:44pm
      - itstricky
        
        By 17 I was reading stage one “quantum theory”
        
        That you didn’t finish. And your misuse of ‘bored’ suggests you weren’t reading The Cat in the Hat at 3.5 (light) years.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/what_happened_to_shanans_mba.html#comment-2192653
        
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        September 9, 2018 8:00pm
      - itstricky
        
        Five downticks now? I guess there’s a lot of humans out there who can give but can’t take.
        
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        September 9, 2018 8:01pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        itstricky:
        It’s flattering that you would trawl my posts for inconsistencies (the truth tends to help with that), even if you didn’t find any.
        The boredom with Physics, came later.
        
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        September 10, 2018 2:08am
      - itstricky
        
        It’s flattering that you would trawl
        
        It’s flattering you’d use the word ‘trawl’ when it’s a two second Google away.
        
        The boredom with Physics, came later
        
        Sure, I’m just reminding you that it’s all very jolly hassling fat, dumb, Megan about her age until one starts to look at one’s own cracks. Remember not to paste over them.
        
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        September 10, 2018 11:21am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      44, same as her neck measurement or is the same as the number of chins?
      
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      September 9, 2018 2:46pm
      - itstricky
        
        KEEPING STOCK!
        
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        September 9, 2018 4:36pm
    - Longknives
      
      “No, she was born in 1973… she’s 44”
      
      Jesus Christ! Megan Woods is only a couple of years older than me…
      Sorry but..What the hell is it with women on the Political Left? They seem to take zero pride in their appearance..
      
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      September 9, 2018 3:33pm
      - fluffykiwi
        
        They certainly make sure that they are first to the morning tea “buns” in parliament, and afternoon tea.
        
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        September 9, 2018 3:39pm
      - itstricky
        
        They certainly make sure that they are first to the morning tea “buns”
        
        Was that Paula’s problem? Lucky she’s got the staples now, huh?
        
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        September 9, 2018 4:37pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        What is it with men on the political right? They seem to take undue pride in their obnoxious personalities.
        
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        September 9, 2018 5:22pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Was that Paula’s problem? Lucky she’s got the staples now, huh?
        
        OK, now Keeping Stock is definitely going to notice that one!
        
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        September 9, 2018 5:23pm
      - itstricky
        
        Honey pot. Luring him in…
        
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        September 9, 2018 8:02pm
- stigie
  
  “Is she that fucking stupid?”
  
  Fucking big yes, when you shut down a huge industry like oil and gas and possibly others in the pipeline without any consultation and no cost benefit analysis because she said it was impossible to do one, this will down the track a bit come back and bite her hard on her big fat arse, and i can’t wait !~
  
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  September 9, 2018 12:22pm
  - itstricky
    
    Sounds like you’re more into arse biting than job retention.
    
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    September 9, 2018 12:28pm
    - stigie
      
      Don’t mind a bit of arse licking itsticky, as long its not a big fat hairy one !~
      
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      September 9, 2018 1:08pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    What industry could she close down closer to home?
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:36pm
- All_on_Red
  
  That’s probably a good basis for a ‘Do you stand by your statements?’ question.
  Email Melissa
  
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  September 9, 2018 1:12pm
howitis

Naomi Osaka wins the US Tennis Open- women’s section -by beating Serena Williams 6-2, 6-4.
This is great for Japan which has had a bad week with a deadly earthquake and deadly typhoon in the same 48 hour period.

Williams was being an Ugly American with her antics.
This is not wasist or sexist. It is a reflection of the behaviour she chose to exhibit despite 20 years as a professional tennis player.

She chose to get into a fight with the umpire. Rants included:-
…The 23-time Grand Slam winner screamed at Ramos: ‘Every time I play here, I have problems. I did not have coaching, I don’t cheat. You need to make an announcement. I have a daughter and I stand for what’s right. You owe me an apology.’….
So, baybeee.

More:
…’For you to attack my character is wrong. You owe me an apology. You will never be on a court with me as long as you live. You are the liar. You owe me an apology. Say it. Say you’re sorry.
‘How dare you insinuate that I was cheating? You stole a point from me. You’re a thief too. ‘ ….
also:
…’Because I’m a woman you’re going to take this away from me. This is not right. Ever single year that I play this is just not fair’…..

So Williams, as an Ugly American , plays the baybee card and the ‘I am woman’ card even though she was playing another woman.

Williams only has herself to blame for the fact that she has 23 Grand Slam singles wins and is not ahead of the Great Australian, Margaret Court at 24 wins or not way ahead of Steffi Graf at 22 wins.
Williams pissed around between 2004 and 2009.
She needs to own her actions and the results, not scream at others.

S. Williams came to Auckland NZ ASB Women’s tennis tournament in January 2017 and despite appearance money and other benefits did not even try. A few weeks later she won the Australian Open Women’s Single title.
I did not bother getting tickets despite going to the ASB tennis many times. The previous year’s behaviour by Ana Ivanovic was enough to see the poor form shown by many of the equally well paid women tennis players.

Roger Federer was born a month before S Williams. He has 20 Grand Slam Mens singles titles despite competing over the years with the likes of Nadal, Djokovic, and Andy Murray. He is more gracious, for sure. No Ugly behaviour.

Congratulations to Naomi Osaka on her win today.
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September 9, 2018 11:16am
- Longknives
  
  The self-professed ‘Greatest Athlete in History’ (Yeah Right!) Serena Williams behaved disgracefully in defeat as usual..
  She has been threatening/abusing umpires and behaving like a petulant child for years.
  Remember it was only a few weeks ago that she was crying ‘Waah Racism’ because the Drug Testers came calling (This is a woman who has been known to lock herself in her Panic Room to avoid the Dope Testers…)
  At least Lance Armstrong was a pleasant bloke…Serena Williams is an absolute C##t (To borrow a word from Marama Davidson)
  
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  September 9, 2018 1:02pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘as an Ugly American ‘
  
  Americans are by and large a very polite people , Canadians too .
  
  She is very un American and certainly not typical . Maybe it’s a tennis thing. That Mac character was a right wanker too.
  
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  September 9, 2018 6:13pm
  - Longknives
    
    John McEnroe was a hothead alright- But he owned his tantrums and never cried ‘Racism’ or (as Serena bizarrely claimed today) ‘Sexism’!
    That’s right- Serena has launched a bizarre ‘Sexism in Tennis’ conspiracy that apparently cost her this tournament…
    I’m guessing she has forgotten she lost to another WOMAN 6-2 6-4….
    
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    September 9, 2018 6:25pm
kevn

Check lucidmotors.com appears to be setup by disgruntled Tesla staff.
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September 9, 2018 11:31am
secondcumming

I told my psychiatrist I keep hearing voices.

He told me I don’t even have a psychiatrist.
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September 9, 2018 11:33am
Philview

This has probably been mentioned but I read that National still want to see Clare Curran’s personal emails. However, it seems that as she is no longer a Minister her personal emails are no longer subject to the Official Information Act. This really does smell of corruption, something in those emails broke her. Once again we are left thinking “What just happened there?”. A bit like the saga of the police announcement on Clarke Gayford and the rumour that 99% of the population hasn’t heard.
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September 9, 2018 1:28pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Her emails while she was a Minister still have to be provided.
  
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  September 9, 2018 1:39pm
Komata

MCos@13.27

RE: ‘Mandarin is spoken by twice as many people as English’. Actually no, the number is approximately the same, and, curiously, depends on where the sun shines. When it is night over Europe and the Western world, then Mandarin is the majority language, due, obviously, to the large numbers of Mandarin speakers within China. . When however, it is night over China, then English us the dominant language. The difference between the two is minute and varies every 12 hours as indicated. To state that ‘Mandarin is spoken by twice as many as English’ is a somewhat large over-exaggeration. (I thought you should know).
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September 9, 2018 2:08pm
- MrTips
  
  The sun NEVER sets on the British empire………because God would never trust an Englishman in the dark.
  
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  September 9, 2018 3:42pm
- Jack5
  
  Komata, the Mandarin numbers are complicated by the fact that so many southern Chinese still regard colourful, rich Cantonese as their major language. The written language is the same, but Chinese languages can be mutually unintelligible, and there are a number of languages. For example about 80 million people speak Shanghainese.
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:49pm
harrygee

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/106940799/global-hype-continues-to-paint-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-as-a-cliche

The best part of this sycophantic drivel designed to re-educate us about the PM, which is headling Stuff this afternoon, is this line:

>Where is the policy, the decision making?

Indeed. Something we’ve all been wondering.
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September 9, 2018 2:33pm
Paulus

When in China a couple of years ago we would be stopped by young Chinese and they wanted to talk to us in English as they appear to learn it at school.
Very nice and polite young people.
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September 9, 2018 2:35pm
- secondcumming
  
  It’s amazing how much things have changed in such a short time. Whenever I walk down Queen Street I do the exact opposite.
  
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  September 9, 2018 3:05pm
- Longknives
  
  “When in China a couple of years ago we would be stopped by young Chinese and they wanted to talk to us in English ”
  
  Don’t engage with them!
  That’s commonly how Tea Scammers or similar operate-
  https://www.denverpost.com/2012/03/22/gotcha-an-inside-look-at-the-beijing-teahouse-scam/
  
  I didn’t fall for that one but I ended up paying an English speaking girl to go away after asking directions to an Internet Cafe..(She led me there then wouldn’t leave until I paid her- making quite the scene etc)
  
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  September 9, 2018 3:16pm
Surely Knott

(Stuff/Rob Stock). “Mischievous data dump” from “right -leaning taxpayers union.” who “always show council in a negative light”. Since when does stuff declare ngo’s right or left leaning. Why not say the Local Government NZ is left-leaning? Why not pre-fix the many left-leaning ngo’s environment groups with that label. Why not prefix Tova Obrien with the left leaning journalist. What is a data dump and why was it mischievous. It doesn’t say. Why don’t they just report the facts which is Tax payers union , who advocate for ratepayers, analysed and reported on the breakdown of salaries in council for the year.
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September 9, 2018 3:48pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  You’re right, it is quite annoying – “right-leaning” my arse. They should have the bollocks to point out it’s a National Party front group for astroturfing purposes.
  
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  September 9, 2018 5:27pm
SGA

then wouldn’t leave until I paid her- making quite the scene etc

Don’t worry, Longknives, I’m sure you aren’t only one that’s happened to… 🙂
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September 9, 2018 3:49pm
Ross12

It looks like all the huffing and puffing about Chelsea Manning, was a waste of time. Looking at the reviews of the talk it seems people were very disappointed. Another way of saying , no value for money, perhaps.
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September 9, 2018 4:00pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right Rossa12 while we enjoy hearing them grumble and laughing that they were dumb enough to pay to hear him.
  
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  September 10, 2018 1:55am
Viking2

Here we go again.

New Zealand’s fire trucks are to be emblazoned with te reo Māori, with one of the first trucks marked ‘AHI’ rolling out of Wellington Central.

The te reo Māori word will sit alongside its English equivalent, ‘FIRE’, on about 2000 New Zealand Fire and Emergency vehicles as they’re repaired and replaced in the coming years.

A truck with the the new markings will take part in a hīkoi through Wellington on Monday to mark the start of Te Wiki o te reo Māori (Māori language week).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/maori-language-week/106888849/new-zealand-fire-service-to-overhaul-firetrucks-with-te-reo-mori?cid=facebook.post.106888849

Thomas said the aim is to upskill all of the service’s 13,000 staff with te reo Māori. Taking lessons in personal time is encouraged, and some “taster courses” have been organised to help with vowel pronouncement.

Watch them all leave and next minute we have no firemen and they want higher wages.
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September 9, 2018 4:17pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Watch them all leave…
  
  Well, if we have a lot of people in the emergency services who are the kind of racist fucks who’d quit over having to see a Maori word on their vehicle, then yes please let’s have them quit and replace them with people who aren’t racist fucks.
  
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  September 9, 2018 5:30pm
  - Longknives
    
    Milt- No offence and I’m probably what you might consider a “Racist Fuck” but…
    Why on Earth do Firefighters need to know how to speak Maori??
    Do you think the person on fire is going to be offended if the Firefighter’s don’t take their shoes off and sing a Maori song before bursting in to rescue them?..
    
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    September 9, 2018 6:31pm
    - Longknives
      
      A friend of mine recently left New Zealand Police after being told he wouldn’t be considered for Promotion to Inspector.
      His crime? He is a White male who wouldn’t do a ‘Mehi’ before his job interview.
      My friend has a Law Degree and is an exceptionally high achiever (Former top sportsman as well)
      He (quite rightfully) told them they could shove it.
      Interestingly he travelled and lived abroad for many years before joining Police- and speaks several languages…
      NZ Police has succumbed to Political Correctness. Seems Fire are going the same way?
      
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      September 9, 2018 7:24pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        His “crime” was making it clear to the people interviewing him that he was hostile to Maori – not in fact a crime, but not the kind of things that gets you promoted to Inspector either, and rightly so.
        
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        September 9, 2018 10:40pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Why on Earth do Firefighters need to know how to speak Maori??
      
      They don’t. The claim is that they’re going to quit because someone puts a Maori word on their vehicle or encourages them to learn how to pronounce Maori words correctly, which only a racist fuck would do.
      
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      September 9, 2018 10:37pm
      - dave_c_
        
        Those who advocate such lunacy, deserve a firehose stuffed up their …… with it turned on full flow.
        
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        September 10, 2018 3:53pm
  - Viking2
    
    The PLAN is milt that all those volunteers who give of their time will now have to waste more time learning the language of the dead.
    They are struggling to get recruits now and they want to do some other arses bidding by imposing this shit on them Same with nurses. Never work for Govt, Dept or govt funded outfit.
    
    No wonder our productivity barely supports us,
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:07pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hi Yup, if I was in a job that didn’t specifically require me to speak Maori, and some fuckwit like you came along and said, ” now boys we are all going to do compulsory Maori Lessons”, I would be inclined to tell you to fuck off and take my skills elsewhere. There is not a single Maori person who can’t speak English, and pouring cold water onto a burning house doesn’t require great communication skills ….
    
    However, I’m sure if your house catches fire you will be staying put until someone does the required cultural niceties before attempting to rescue you… Maori is a dying langauge and no artificial attempt at keeping it alive is going to work. Be better if they put Manderin on the Fire Engines in Auckland.
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:08pm
  - Jack5
    
    It’s a mad precedent.
    
    Auckland fire engines will next be painted in Samoan, Tongan, and Afrikaans. There will also have to be room for Chinese and Korean characters.
    
    On the front they will need these characters doubled, so that motorists can read them in their rear-view mirrors.
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:15pm
- rangitoto
  
  No extra training on putting out fires or rescuing people?
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:40pm
Viking2

run outta ya house shouting ahi ahi.
Should bring the drug squad.

how mindlessly stupid.
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September 9, 2018 4:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  ahiahi = evening
  
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  September 9, 2018 4:56pm
- KevOB
  
  Try: afiafi–fire.
  
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  September 9, 2018 5:58pm
  - kowtow
    
    A fi , a fi , a fi , a fi , a f, f, f ,f fire.
    
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    September 9, 2018 6:21pm
    - Viking2
      
      Like your stutter. Need help with that?
      
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      September 9, 2018 7:08pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Is that the correct vowel sound? Is that more important than fire fighters attempting te reo? Not great encouragement!
  
  I’d just want fire fighters to extinguish the fire. I don’t care what they say, or how they say it! ?
  
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  September 9, 2018 6:23pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    It doesn’t really matter what they paint on the side of the fire engine, there are still plenty of morons on the road who won’t move out of the way for them.
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:46pm
Viking2

😆
set the scene.
late evening and suddenly the old state house is on fire.
Out pour 27 occupants screaming ahiahi , ahiahi,
Some smarty yells call the fucking fire engine its not barbecue time.

😆
Where is Billy T when you need him.
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September 9, 2018 5:25pm
waikatogirl

I see the Justice summit blew its $.75m budget with it costing double that. National stated the catering was extravagant, equivalent to what would be served at a Hollywood movie launch. This lot know how to spend other people’s money! ?
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September 9, 2018 7:00pm
- Viking2
  
  The caterer probably made a couple of dollars so its not all bad.
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:09pm
- Philview
  
  Apparently it needs to be seen in the context of all the money that will saved by not sending people to prison. One commentator said if 15 people are saved from prison this year it will have paid for itself. You would almost think people are being locked up for no reason. If we don’t send people to prison I can only assume there will be an equally expensive alternative.
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    One commentator said if 15 people are saved from prison
    Jarrod Gilbert.
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:47pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The expense of higher insurance is not a cost born by the govt, in fact it collects GST on it, so from their perspective more crims doing property crimes (that they barely bother policing) is good.
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:59pm
- Longknives
  
  Consider Labour invited a shitload of Gang Leaders and ‘Ex’ Crims to that summit…
  
  Fucking. Disgrace.
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:35pm
Komata

Oldpark @ 1420 indicated that the SLG was to give a statement at 1600 this afternoon.

Did this occur, and if so, what did it consist of?

Thanks.
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September 9, 2018 7:11pm
- nasska
  
  Haven’t seen anything. The only political announcement of any note today was about Twyford’s plan to up the population density of Little Mogadishu.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12122051
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:37pm
  - Jack5
    
    Isn’t that where the Stephiestanis camp?
    
    Where will they graze their goats?
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:04pm
  - Komata
    
    Nasska
    
    Thank you.
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:35pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/jacinda-ardern-opens-up-about-nauru-flight-backlash-in-new-york-times-profile.html
  
  Surely this isn’t it?
  Another crock of shit from the SLG attempting to justify the unjustifiable and sell herself to NYT as a role model for working women and mothers.
  
  This narcissist is beyond annoying now.
  She’s downright insulting to other women.
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yee Gads, that is excruciating!
    
    Who is advising this ridiculous woman?
    
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    September 9, 2018 7:51pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      It gets worse Maggy.
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/opinion/sunday/jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-prime-minister.html
      
      Good grief, how embarrassing.
      Do we get a chance to write to NYT with a reprise?
      NZ reputation is at stake.
      
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      September 9, 2018 9:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She’s living in a fantasy..
        
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        September 9, 2018 9:27pm
  - artemisia
    
    From that link –
    
    “In New Zealand, we’re really careful about excess,” she said.
    
    Has she mentioned that to Mr Little in relation to doubling the cost of his 2 day Justice talkfest? If not, why not?
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:12pm
  - simpleton1
    
    “I hate the idea of anyone thinking that I don’t put a lot of thought about the cost to taxpayers. I make our ministers travel to events in vans to pool together.”
    
    yeah right. 🙂
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:31pm
    - Komata
      
      Simpleton
      
      A van, together? Really?
      
      Why hasn’t this wonderous event been reported or photographed by the adoring MSM?
      
      Or could it be ‘All in the SLG’s mind’, like so many oher things?
      
      Another lie perhaps?
      
      One has to ask.
      
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      September 9, 2018 8:43pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        She’s made a captain’s call to stop parliamentarians’ pay rises, but increased parliamentary staff by (was it) 25%(?) and farmed all the decision-making out to over-paid jobs for the boys.
        
        The author of the article appears to have the highest credentials:
        “SOPHIE BATEMAN
        Sophie is a digital producer for Newshub based in Auckland. She joined the Newshub digital team as an intern in 2017 and somehow hasn’t been fired yet.”
        
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        September 9, 2018 8:56pm
      - simpleton1
        
        It is true they do travel together, just not in a van or Cessna.
        
        It was well reported and photoed that government ministers and MPs did travel together to open the new wharf in the Chatham Islands on March 14th 🙂
        
        I think it was just the one plane, but now, one can not be sure, and just how much did it cost. 🙂
        
        https://fyi.org.nz/request/7921-waitangi-wharf-opening-on-chatham-island
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/eight_ministers_on_one_junket.html
        “Does she stand by her statement that “we have set a high bar when it comes to spending taxpayers money” and if so does the fact that eight ministers flew to the Chatham’s to open a wharf last week meet that bar?” Mr Bridges asked.
        
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        September 9, 2018 9:27pm
fylde

I heart the train wreck that is Don Brash on Radio Live today. Instead of focusing on economics where he is sound he went on about the Haka – apparently it may encourage violence. Brash seems to want t continually bash Maori and even made a economically illiterate unionist sound nearly reasonable.
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September 9, 2018 7:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Brash is right. Haka and other Maori ceremony are overdone and are counter-productive in race relations.
  
  Here are some All Blacks’ views:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12099132
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:33pm
- GoVege
  
  Don’t you know what the words of the haka mean, fylde?
  They’re not kidding either…it was composed by a cannibal.
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:52pm
DigNap15

Funnily enough the word
Firefighter is
Not in my printed Maori dictionary!

Nurse is and Doctor is.
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September 9, 2018 7:24pm
- Jack5
  
  Putting Maori language warning on fire engines is as laughable as if Scandinavians and Germanic peoples such as the Germans and the English, painted their fire engines with warnings in Viking runic letters.
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:45pm
  - Viking2
    
    Now there’s a thought. I’ll see what I can arrange for you.
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  kaipatuahi = firefighter
  
  waka tinei ahi = fire engine
  
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  September 9, 2018 7:56pm
  - Jack5
    
    That sounds like seven syllables to three in English, Maggy.
    
    By the time you got the words out the house would be well alight.
    
    Especially if they have to haka before they roll out the hoses.
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m looking forward to your upcoming comprehensive study correlating the relative impact of syllabic complexity versus fire safety results across many languages.
      
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      September 9, 2018 9:50pm
  - Viking2
    
    a red boat with a motor?
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:55pm
- itstricky
  
  Not in my printed Maori dictionary
  
  How’s the queue at the bank? Nearly at the front yet?
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:04pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He’s thinking about buying a colour TV next.
    
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    September 9, 2018 8:25pm
    - Viking2
      
      where ya been all day MM. We were wondering if you had been to see that Yankee girl?
      
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      September 9, 2018 8:57pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Who’s that?
        
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        September 9, 2018 9:36pm
RF

Jesus fucking Christ –

Cindy is having a sook to the New York Times about how mean we were concerning not agreeing with her flight to Nauru. It took an emotional toll on her as the criticism hit her unexpectedly hard.

Sweet cheeks has costed it at $100,000.00 but it had been already allocated.

FYI She hates the Nickname – Cindy.

Didums.
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September 9, 2018 8:13pm
- Komata
  
  RF
  
  Does anyone else find it slightly curious that the SLG has direct access to such papers as the NYT in preference to those in her own country?.
  
  One has to ask why ( the NZ MSM won’t of course), and who is arranging such things.
  IF you were REALLY oncerned about your own country Cindy, you’d talk to your own first.
  
  Actions ALWAYS speak louder than words…
  
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  September 9, 2018 8:52pm
- simpleton1
  
  The skids are going under Trudeau by “Vanity Fair”
  
  Trudeau makes Vanity Fair’s list of Underwhelming Heirs
  …….VF says Caitlyn Jenner is Trudeau’s “Kardashian spirit animal”….. https://torontosun.com/news/national/trudeau-makes-vanity-fairs-list-of-underwhelming-heirs
  
  So internationally Trudeau’s mistaken “wife” will also have the skids under her. Just remains for the ’tilt button’ to be played with. 🙂
  
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  September 9, 2018 9:42pm
nasska

…..”She hates the Nickname – Cindy.”…..

That’s okay. To me she’ll always be Chompers!
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September 9, 2018 8:18pm
Viking2

She can quit and we will leave her alone. Stupid woman.
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