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Nostradamus

Jacinda Ardern on 4 September 2017 (the following transcript starts at 2:40):

Patrick Gower: So my first question tonight is to you, Bill English. A key part of leadership is trust and whether voters can trust you. So is it possible to survive politics without lying?

[Bill English answers the question and 2 follow-up questions. Then it’s Jacinda Ardern’s turn. She’s had plenty of time to prepare her answer to the same question]

Patrick Gower: Ok, Jacinda Ardern, you haven’t been tested on these sorts of trust issues that Bill English has been confronted with. But if you are caught in a lie, or caught intentionally misleading the New Zealand public, how would you expect to be held to account?

Jacinda Ardern: Well, I actually believe that it is possible to exist in politics without lying, and by telling the truth. I do believe that. I have been in politics for 9 years. Yes, politicians make mistakes, but the true mark of leadership is whether you front those mistakes, be as transparent as possible with the public when you make them. That’s the sign of good leadership.

Patrick Gower: You’ve never told a lie in politics?

Jacinda Ardern: No. No. And if I have made a mistake, I fronted it. I’m going to make them in the future, too, Paddy, let’s be clear. But it’s all about fronting them when you do.

Jacinda said she makes mistakes, but doesn’t tell lies. She also said that “the sign of good leadership” when you make mistakes.is to be “as transparent as possible with the public”.

Question for Kiwiblog readers: did Jacinda show “the sign of good leadership” yesterday?
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September 8, 2018 9:01am
- RF
  
  The brat is a bare faced liar.
  
  Unfortunately the media are quick to forget so it is up to us to keep reminding good citizens that we have a two faced dangerous POS for a PM.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:11am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘did Jacinda show “the sign of good leadership” yesterday?’
  
  No
  
  Are there any other questions I can help you with?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:13am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Paulus Gnome:
    
    Are there any other questions I can help you with?
    
    Yes please.
    
    Who will be the next COL minister to resign or be sacked, and which backbench MP will be called up to higher duty to replace the outgoing minister?
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:19am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The next to go should be Mallard.
      
      Biased incompetence personified although he does have good knowledge of the rules of the house that are sometimes misapplied to provide the red team an unfair advantage.
      
      Woods or martin next week would be good although the whole incompetent clusterfuck in an early general election would be my most optimistic hope.
      
      The bird bath is shallow, there are no other rising stars that could spell portfolio let alone be the minister of one.
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why hasn’t Kris Faafoi gone into Cabinet?
      He’s picked up the dud Minister’s portfolios.
      Is it because he is a Male?
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:32am
      - GazzaW
        
        Yes.
        
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        September 8, 2018 9:40am
      - KevOB
        
        Kris Fa’afoi may not be the correct flavour. Kris is of Tokelau parentage–a bit north of Samoa.
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:29am
      - waikatogirl
        
        And Kris Faafoi appears to be somewhat competent, not a prerequisite for a Cabinet Minister under the COL!
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:41am
    - Swifty
      
      Mega Fightery.
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:43am
      - stephen2d
        
        Haha, brilliant! Can someone do a meme with her in that old Nintendo video game Strret Fight? 😀
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:08am
      - Swifty
        
        Fight!
        
        Finish him……..
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:16am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Flawless Victory!
        Mortal Combat.
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:51am
      - Piniwi
        
        But Swifty it is interesting how little snipets of detail are added such situations when we read in one recent piece. It has been sidelined by the unusual but normal MO for Labour to be the subject of an inquiry long enough to be not only made confusing but less significant. While most might have assumed it was a male member of her staff that got pushed it seems it was in fact a female or more pointedly a female by birth. The writer referred to it as becoming a “she said, she said” situation after enough concealment. It adds a new element to the issue again raising the question if Mega Fittery is fit to hold any warrant unless it is an arrest warrant. Likewise the plot thickens a lot more as we read the victim is not pushing any charges of assault? We further wonder if the subsequent “conversation” had with the victim was about career path being short or her passion path?
        
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        September 8, 2018 12:09pm
  - sooty
    
    Come on Paddy put your big boy pants on and ask the hard questions, or are you tits. Like we think you are!
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:20am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Almost; the interview with Lauren Southern & Stefan Molyneux proved he is tits.
      
      Not the king of the interview platform that he could over-speak his subject as he is accustomed to doing.
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:31am
      - Swifty
        
        Think of the great interviewers of the world or the great interviews you’ve seen and then watch Paddy with the Canadians.
        
        It was one of the most inept performances I’ve ever seen from a NZ journalist or broadcaster.
        
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        September 8, 2018 9:46am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Once again, almost; it was THE most ‘inept performances I’ve ever seen from a NZ journalist or broadcaster.’
        
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        September 8, 2018 9:50am
      - Piniwi
        
        Sorry Swifty hit report in eagerness of responding to your astute comment. It is not without note that old Paddy has moved “up” to higher things. Perhaps the roving aspect of his new role might leave less chance of further embarrassment for him and the platform that presents him the exposure.
        
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        September 8, 2018 12:15pm
- Harkman
  
  What you left out was Gower’s total partisan ambush on English. Todd Barclay had zero relevance to the real world. As for Cindy, anyone who couldn’t foresee she would turn into a perennial liar if in power was truly vacant.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:21am
- LTA1955
  
  One more stuff up by any member of the COL and it’s a vote of no confidence in this government. Let the dogs out!
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:22am
  - Komata
    
    LTA
    
    Vote of no confidence??
    
    If only; Simon simply CAN’T bring himself to do so!!
    
    He’s being gifted massive opportunities but he apparently just doesn’t have the nous to do anything!!
    
    Wasted chances again and again and again…!!!
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:41am
    - KevOB
      
      I believe the rules of he House don’t enable confidence votes at will.
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:34am
    - peterwn
      
      Now what would you do and would you have thought through the consequences.
      Also no point in moving a vote of no confidence unless you have the numbers first. Simon would need to pick off 4 or so COL MP’s before a no confidence vote is viable.
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:39am
      - Piniwi
        
        Right peterwn much more is being gained by standing slightly aside as they individually and collectively show their true worth while being ready to give the swing a little push as it slows. Even the Curran sage that took so long to finally end her short flight has born unexpected bonuses. With her inept handling of the ending the silly little girl jumped right into the spotlight by of all things wanting to look like Miss Goody Two Shoes only to find they are on the wrong feet. Now when the next step is left her baby brain condition can only see her left shoe as being right and her right as being left with indecision again making progress a challenge.
        On top of this there is a power play being carried out that surfaced this week as expected it would eventually so no let the attack dogs do their job and move on to the next scalp. In order to spread it around fairly Martin is next on the list as we have already seen how she so quickly appeals to the Speaker to rescue her too. Guessing the silly little girl will use Fightery to show she is a “strong” leader. Tui anybody?
        
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        September 8, 2018 1:23pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Thanks LTA1955 for raising the real elephant in the caucus room ad what seems to be at the heart of their “stuff ups”. From what they seem to think are their best “best” person in so many key roles we only see a sad line up of wannabe failures as they struggle to achieve gender equality. Unfortunately it starts right from the top both alphabetical as well as by level of responsibility that their chosen ones are all turkeys trying to fly. Perhaps it is their skirts creating too much drag or their uncomfortable shoes that make even running downhill into a stiff southerly keeping them from reaching levitation speed. Or for some it is apparent that too much excess baggage is already on-board with a stout belt around it.
    Whatever the drawback that leaves them flightless it is often the number of “stuff ups” that sees them failing to sore in flight even called back off the runway. It is most notable how quick the Media party are to defend their incompetence as they rush to say “everybody has a bad day or make mistakes.” That won’t fly either as it is too many making altogether making too many as their leader sets the standard so low with her distinct leadership style. Especially calling up a massive aircraft to get back in the clouds then the following by a sickie the next day to get under the radar. Seems readership is more important than leadership following on from all those photo ops grabbed on such a short trip. But they all still “believe they can fly”?
    
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    September 8, 2018 12:53pm
- Sofia
  
  Jacinda Ardern is being cute with the truth. Her truthiness is now forever suspect and the media know it, which is why her stupidity is now the focus after Curran fell on her sword.
  
  There have been a few comments that Ardern knew, in advance, of Curran’s intention to contact Hirchsfeld, and may have even suggested it, as being perhaps one way around the obvious intransigency of Griffin and others to the Labour policy of RNZ+, the new television channel Labour proposes.
  
  Was Ardern aware of a possible communication or meeting between Curran and Hirchsfeld before it actually occurred?
  
  Is omitting the fact Curran had already resigned, when asked about firing her, the first omission Ardern has made in the whole issue?
  Has Melissa Lee actually got as far as she could have in the questions she could have asked?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:22am
  - Duxton
    
    I don’t think that she had gone as far as she could have, but could continue with whoever replaced Curran in any of her portfolios. For example:
    
    “Would it be acceptable for a Minister of broadcasting to use her private email account to offer increased funding to State television and radio, in return for favourable news and editorial coverage of the government?”
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:13am
- nasska
  
  It’s 2018 & the question gets asked again.
  
  Interviewer: Is it possible to survive in politics without lying?
  
  The Mother of the Nation’s Baby: Um. Er, To be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective & without being condemning of one’s views & by trying to make it objectified & by considering each & everyone’s valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:27am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You left out ‘committee’
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:32am
  - Woz
    
    And ‘absolutely’.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:47am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Let’s be perfectly clear, as I have been from the beginning ….
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:04am
- oldpark
  
  @Nostradamus 9.01 am.
  
  Perhaps the answer could be shown here,of course food for thought.Also an adage, for Peters selected NZs PM Ardern.
  “The Bitterness of Poor Quality Remains Long After the Sweetness of Something Special is Forgotten”.We live in interesting times.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:35am
  - G152
    
    Peters loves ‘pretty horses’ and the PMs bite may have influenced him ?
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:42am
- Woz
  
  Is it even necessary to ask?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:44am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Woz:
    
    Is it even necessary to ask?
    
    Apparently it is.
    
    MickySavage at The Standard thinks that this is a “right wing beat up” and that Jacinda Ardern is a “compassionate leader”:
    
    The latest right wing beat up is that Jacinda told a porkie this morning to Chris Lynch on Newstalk ZB.
    
    In the interests of balance, as well as reality and fact checking here is the transcript
    …
    Clearly every answer that Jacinda gave was correct. She was not considering firing Curran and Curran jumped rather than was pushed. In both tone and context her answers were correct.
    
    Perhaps she could have volunteered the information that Curran had tendered her resignation but allowing Curran the ability to announce it herself is the sort of thing a compassionate leader would do.
    
    Mickysavage must get spin-dizzy from all that rhetorical spinning!
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:52am
    - RF
      
      Huh….. Savage is still hanging around. I heard he had fallen out with some of the party hacks after he packed a sad about Deborah Russell taking his coveted job. He was a big sook about that throwing his toys out of the cot.
      
      I was briefly in his company several weeks ago and he still looks unhappy. If only he knew……
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:18am
      - Paulus
        
        Debs Russel is the next Cabinet Minister shortly – she will understudy Grant Robertson as she is an economic genius from Auckland University I believe.
        Which is why Chris Faafoy has nor been raised as he is male.
        
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        September 8, 2018 2:20pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And the media should ask direct questions, Jacinda in this instance volunteered no information.
      
      This works both ways for the questioner and the questioned.
      
      If Chris Lynch knew that Curran had resigned, would he have asked the question?
      
      I know this instance hasn’t worked in Jacinda’s favour, but it goes on all of the time.
      
      The media just don’t ask Jacinda the hard questions, they either already know the answer and it doesn’t suit their narrative, so they don’t ask the question.
      
      I think Jacinda should have owned it, I am sure that I read that Curran confirmed her resignation on the Thursday night, so that suggests that there had been prior discussion.
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:54am
- oldgolfer
  
  No..
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:51am
Captain Mainwaring

The past three days have seen a momentous shift in the nation’s political situation. I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the coalition of incompetents.
The installed PM, the totally inept Jacinda Ardern, has been rudely exposed as someone without the slightest clue as to how to deal with employment issues, never mind inept Ministers who have been promoted way beyond their level of competence.
How the Hell do you accept a resignation one evening, then the next morning tell the world that the person’s job is safe? This is amateurism beyond belief.
Meanwhile the wily old wrinkled prune sits back and says nothing, knowing that when Jacinda finally cracks (and she will) he will be in the box seat to take the reins. And he knew all the time that this would be the result of his post-election decision.
We are in for interesting times.
The best thing we can hope for is that the Nats are ready for an early election.
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September 8, 2018 9:01am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️ I’m in pre-election mode.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I never got out of it.
    
    Limit early voting to those who can demonstrably prove that they will be out of the country on polling day and stop all overseas voting – no taxation, no representation.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:18am
    - Harkman
      
      Agreed, pre election voting makes it so much easier to be rigged, as does online voting.
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:37am
  - Komata
    
    KevOB
    
    YOU might be, but I’ve seen nothing to indicate that Simon is….!!
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:43am
    - Paulus
      
      Simon is not the Prime Donna but I am not voting for one –
      – my two Blue ticks remain for the future of our Country.
      
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      September 8, 2018 2:23pm
- calendar girl
  
  Agreed, Captain. Ardern’s disastrous week of leadership failures, indecisiveness and even misleading of the public is now behind her. She has had the weekend to absorb some decent political and PR advice (if she has any able advisors still available to her) and to attempt to present the Coalition that she leads as capable of governing NZ.
  
  What will this week bring for a Government that is reeling from its largely self-inflicted wounds? Will it be more ego-driven divisiveness internally, or can the Coalition develop a clear strategy for reassembling its forces to present a cohesive and purposeful front? Does it even understand the political imperative for doing so?
  
  Nothing should be impossible to rectify, of course. But on the evidence so far the chances are that this Government will fall into further disarray, struggling on in a vacuum of sound leadership until voters can have their own decisive say. None of this is in the interests of our country – which will pay the ultimate price of the Coalition’s incompetence and fractious personalities.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:10am
  - Ross12
    
    While the PM has shown many faults the two that have stood out for me over the past few days are : lack of leadership experience and ability, but also the lack of an ability to think on her feet –something with her years in politics she should have mastered by now.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:46am
    - VicParking
      
      All that time behind the fish and chip counter should have taught her to think on her feet
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:55am
      - RF
        
        Just how did she cope with the sudden rush of orders of feesh & chups on a Friday night.
        
        That requires you to think on your feet. No wonder she stuffed up so many orders.
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:23am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Taking fish and chip orders gave Cindy the option of saying, ‘your order will be ready in 20 minutes.’ No such luxury when you are under National Party scrutiny at QT in the House. How would she manage without Robbo, Winnie and Trev to shield her.
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:52am
    - KevOB
      
      She doesn’t think: that’s not in her gifting. She speaks and acts to script as do those around her.
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:40am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right Ross12 but we must wonder are the Media party avoiding a frontal challenge with direct hard questions knowing how quick the silly little girl will let something slip with all those word showers? It has been like that but has increased since the baby arrives as her mind is not always where it should be. This in such an empty cavity has room for the things she has been told to “not” mention override what she should endeavor to actually say. Meanwhile they hope against hope that the foot and mouth stay well apart as only her PR team have the will to cut the slips, wides and no balls.
      
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      September 8, 2018 1:38pm
- KevOB
  
  Another 6 months and Ardern by association will completely destroy the Labour Party too.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:17am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    How long before she destroys the Country?
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:11am
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps KevOB that is becoming as big a concern as did their flagging polls before they opted for the silly little girl? It failed only to ring the change they worked so hard to tell us was taking place with a new “direction”. Now they are finding that it is in fact shit creek they are being led up though not new they still have the map they used to get around it last time. But even in this modern times they still do not understand their map is just a circular track to paraphrase that old song “On the Road To Gonna Die”. Failing to fly means they still miss the big picture or even bother to Google a sky view. The glitter is all gone and Oh my god it is a turd!
    
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    September 8, 2018 1:50pm
- Dave Mann
  
  I’d love to believe that you are right, Captain…. but I’ve hardly met anybody outside the hallowed halls of KiwiBlog who has any idea about what the ‘government’ is up to – or if they do, they don’t seem to give a fuck.
  
  As I don’t watch the TV ‘news’ or the laughable ‘current affairs’ programmes on mainstream TV, I don’t really have a good perception of the general public’s feeling about these traitorous corrupt assholes who have been handed power by that cunt Peters.
  
  As I say…. I hope the tide is turning. But is it, really? Lets hope.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:41am
  - VicParking
    
    There is still a large amount of the electorate who would still vote Labour even if Cindy knocked a blind man over and stole his begging bowl.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:57am
    - Lance
      
      The MSM would write an attack piece on the blind man, pointing out he evicted children before going broke and even voted national.
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:52am
  - KevOB
    
    I am biased but I try to keep my ears open for dissent. I am sensing women whom I know fell for Jacinda have turned from the Ardern. She is failing their gold test of showing she is a capable manager.
    They have begun speaking the unspeakable that this will a one term government.
    
    The opposition may need nothing better than to keep fielding the Melissas and prepare policy in the backgound. Simon is very adequate when he needs to debate. The media won’t give him a platform but Ardern is losing hers to scorn.
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:51am
  - oldgolfer
    
    It is. I heard 2 people moaning about petrol prices, and blaming govt. Labour voters.
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:56am
    - Piniwi
      
      That number oldgolfer might grow faster than we think as the poor old NZ$ has now sunk below the lowest level that is sunk to after they were anointed. While at the same time oil prices have started to edge up again meaning not just a double fault and changing ends for service but new balls as well. But never fear as sweet cheeks has it covered as we will surely hear in 500 words or more. Lol
      
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      September 8, 2018 1:58pm
      - RF
        
        I hear sweet cheeks is taking lessons from the Gweens on how to print money as sure as hell he is going to need a shit load to pay for his bribes and criminal policies.
        
        It’s going to take National many years to get the country out of debt…. again….
        
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        September 8, 2018 7:32pm
    - Paulus
      
      Under this COLL it is the people who can least afford it who will get the worse hurt – but that is Socio/Communism.
      
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      September 8, 2018 2:27pm
holysheet

I went down to the Patent Office trying to register some of my inventions earlier today. I walked up to the main desk to sign in and the lady pulled out a form to fill out. She asked for my personal info, wrote it down and then asked me what I had invented. I said, ‘A folding bottle.’ She said, ‘Okay. What do you call it?’ ‘A fottle.’ ‘What else do you have there?’ ‘A folding carton.’ ‘OK, what do you call it?’ ‘A farton.’ She chuckled and said, ‘Those are silly names for products and one of them sounds a bit crude.’ I was so upset by her comment I grabbed the form and left the office without even telling her about my folding bucket…
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September 8, 2018 9:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Good thing you kept the folding punt under wraps as well then!
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Thank-goodness it wasn’t a collapsing punt.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:39am
    - holysheet
      
      Was that a green one named Marama?
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:54am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Now that is funny!
        
        I hope Marama the Punt reads this site!
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:36am
Paulus Gnome

Pull a ponytail? Record a phone conversation? Park on a double yellow line?

Scream the house down, call for resignations, wall to wall msm wankery.

Deliberately lie to the NZ electorate? Improper use of gmail account by communications minister? Bias from the Speaker in the House to deflect proper presented questions in the official period designated for such questions?

Msm crickets aside from a Trevit ‘they did it as well’ piece and one of the more memorable Auckland chip wrapper editorials for the weakest mamby pamby excuse for an editorial only because the one they had planned for The Block would have finally outed them as politically biased whores.

Worst most Devious Government Ever.
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September 8, 2018 9:08am
Chuck Bird

The honeymoon is over.

Audrey Young: Clare Curran may be gone but more headaches loom

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12121307

Editorial: PM not impressive when dealing with Clare Curran

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12121176
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September 8, 2018 9:09am
- Harkman
  
  Seriously though, could any person not look at Curran and see this sort of thing coming? Just look at her, she radiated mental frailty, she was a real space cadet.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:25am
  - calendar girl
    
    Curran and Ardern flatted together in a former life; there must be many personal secrets that they share.
    
    Was this the reason that Ardern couldn’t bring herself to sack Curran despite the latter’s repeat failures?
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:38am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And why she got the job in the first place, I hope somewhere Todd Barclay and a few others are smiling.
      
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      September 8, 2018 12:02pm
      - Paulus
        
        Benson Pope will also be smiling (a Dunedin Councillor) – she shafted him mercilessly to get his job despite his own minor failings.
        
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        September 8, 2018 2:32pm
  - Woz
    
    She’s always seemed a hapless woman to me. Permanent possum-in-the-headlights expression.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:52am
  - freethinker
    
    A poor replacement for Benson grope, must be something in Dunedins water to produce so many dumb twits including Police.
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:51am
    - Paulus
      
      Sorry, I appeared to copy your comment about Benson Pope.
      I was unable to delete my comment above
      
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      September 8, 2018 2:36pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Garner puts the boot in big time…
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/106733383/time-for-weak-ardern-to-show-them-whos-boss
  
  And you would think you were reading Kiwiblog with the comments……
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:27am
  - MrTips
    
    What comments? Stuff just killed them all!! Thankfully screenshots exist Stuff, what blatant manipulation!
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:51am
    - MrTips
      
      Hmm…now they’re back. weird.
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:03am
Than

In this week’s Below the beltway, I’d have to disagree with two of Tracy Watkins assessments.

Putting Phil Twyford in the UP column is being very generous. Sure, the first few KiwiBuild houses are about to be sold, but its only 18. The promise was 10,000 over three years. You can argue construction takes time to ramp up, and to a large extent that’s fair. But still, we’re a third of the way in and only 18 out of 10,000 houses built. There is a serious risk of Twyford being percieved as over-promising and under-delivering.

The other one I disagree with is putting Winston Peters in the DOWN column. Why? Sure, the disagreement with Labour over refugees didn’t look great for Jacinda Ardern or the coalition as a whole. But it will have gone down brilliantly with NZ First voters, both by pandering to their xenophobia (keeping those nasty foreigners and brown people out) and by making Winston look strong and in charge. I’m sure Peters has absolutely no regrets about his actions and would gladly do the same thing again.
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September 8, 2018 9:09am
- KevOB
  
  The houses were being built so the govt is now underwriter to the cottage building industry.
  Housing Corp had to refresh old retiring stock so chose to sell much of it off.
  
  It’s going to take a genius to organise and fund the masssive dream program. There will be balance of payments implications and a likely GFC to dodge. Grant R. may be facing nightmares.
  If the funding is to be overseas private investment who will own NZ’s housing stock?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘It’s going to take a genius to organise and fund the masssive dream program.’
    
    And Phil, is not that genius.
    
    I believe Phil to be very close to the antithesis of genius judging by his performance and delivery to date..
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:58am
- sooty
  
  Don’t forget most of NZ voters don’t want the fakeugees either.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:24am
- Gravelroad
  
  Than- it will take a bit more than that for people around here to restart worshipping Winston 1st. Prime Minister in Waiting he may be, but who would trust him to do what he says he will do, or not do?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:35am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    There’s one thing we all know about Peters. He will do what’s best for Winston Peters ahead of what’s best for New Zealand.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:42am
- Scott
  
  I agree with those who don’t want NZ to take in more very dubious “refugees”.
  
  As an aside I watched Lauren Southern on YouTube visit the refugee camp at Calais, France. She noted that all of the refugees were men. There were about 6 women in the whole camp and about 3 children.
  
  A mainstream media reporter duly interviewed the children, he rounded up the only 3 children in the camp, as if they were representative of the people at the camp?!
  
  The other anomaly was that these people are supposed to be fleeing war in Syria. Lauren Southern said she took a while to actually find a Syrian. Most of them were from Africa or Afghanistan.
  
  So there’s a lot of bulldust surrounding “refugees” and for once I agree with Winston Peters. We should be very wary of taking more of them in.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:50am
- waikatogirl
  
  Nothing surer than Winston is planning on leading NZFirst back into battle at the next election as he is already campaigning by asserting his will over Cindy and the Greens. His sycophantic voting support base will once again forget his treachery since taking power last year and fall for voting for him once again. SUCKERS, all of them!!
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:54am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    The morons will do their ‘Winston calls it like it is’ nonsense that they do every 3 years. Winston playing to this perfectly by getting plenty of exposure to ‘stopping the extra refugees’ rather than having this already agreed as part of the coalition.
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:14am
    - ex-golfer
      
      We just have to remind them of the Maori seats entrenchment.
      
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      September 8, 2018 1:07pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not just NZ First voters approve.
  Gives with one promise takes with the other, ie entrenching the Maori seats.
  
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  September 8, 2018 12:55pm
- Piniwi
  
  Sorry Than but the houses can not come off the 10,000 new additional dwellings as they are the result of work done by the previous Government which locks him in the down column. Beside the old drunk who we know of old is just protecting his own patch by flexing his diminished muscle. His move this week was no better than his weak attempts of humor in question time. The only difference is that little turn to his audience around him as the signal to laugh. Serious voters are still well aware he is the creator of this mess and only the easily ed would follow him.
  
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  September 8, 2018 2:13pm
- Paulus
  
  The site of the 18 houses was developed and approved over a year ago well before the COLL.
  
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  September 8, 2018 2:37pm
lastmanstanding

A couple of weeks ago I posted asking somewhat tongue in cheek if anyone wanted to open a book on the COL not lasting the distance and if so which month would it fold.

After the past week I ask again only this time more seriously.

I dont know the answer but I cant think of a Government in the past 50 years I have been following politics that has looked so shaky after such a short time.

Any takers?
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September 8, 2018 9:09am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I had originally said we’d be back at the polls by the end of next year. It may even be sooner, if things keep turning to shite at the rate they have been.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:43am
  - Ross12
    
    But what has to occur for us to go back to polls early? The Greens will not “walk away” and frankly I cannot see NZF moving either once Winston has his waka jumping through.
    Will it take a number of the Government MPs crossing the floor on an important –cannot see any of them risking their salary.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:52am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yup, Greens, NZF and Labour won’t walk away from the lollies, no matter how bad things get, because most of them know they will never get another turn.
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:59am
  - ex-golfer
    
    I still believe this Government will go full term for the following reasons:
    – Labour/Green MPs are so desperate to keep themselves out of opposition they will do anything and give up anything – we are already seeing this in their bowing down to Winston’s wants.
    – Winston does not want to bow out of politics in a losing way – so he will continue to manipulate JA to his desires.
    – JA is so weak that she will let her MPs get away with anything – we are seeing this with the arrogance from Twyford and Clark in particular. Even Curran was still hanging on and moving to the backbenches is no great loss to the COL.
    – The Greens won’t do anything to jeopardise their position in the COL – because they know deep down that it will not come to them again in a long, long time.
    
    I also repeat my belief that unless National finds a respected support party, they will struggle to win in 2020. Labour and NZF will manipulate an electoral result in their favour – ie: do an Epsom – to ensure that even if NZF falls below 5%, they will retain a place via a seat.
    
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    September 8, 2018 1:15pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The past fifty years? I think you have to go back 60 years. In November 1957 Nash’s government got elected. In about June 1958 Nordmeyer’s Black Budget put the kybosh on Nash’s government.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Arnold Nordmeyer was my neighbour in Island Bay in 1957.
    
    He never said anything or let anything go regarding that infamous budget. He was tight and focused.
    
    I was two at the time but with the proper psycobabble bullshit probing, I am sure I would be able to ‘recall’ a conversation over the fence, five doors down . .
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Parliament has only 9 more sitting weeks… then we go into the long summer hiatus…when the media will be doing nothing but regurgitating fluff from o/s sources.
  
  I reckon the NZ media can play deflect for the rest of the year, but next year the stats will be showing higher unemployment, higher petrol and food prices and the great unwashed will be over the New Mum and baby romance.
  
  So, I’ll put up $50 – gone by September 2019.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:50am
  - KevOB
    
    Expect higher interest rates sooner. The Aussie banks are moving. What will the NZ$ be at after the recess?
    Are the jaws of death closing around our Finance Ministry while it prepares for the Christmas season?
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:02am
  - howitis
    
    Opportunities for baybee (2018) fade, so….
    Engaaaaaagement !!! (2019)
    With plan for Weeddding Bells 2020 – 2 months before election leading into Campaign.
    The country-wreckers will cynically do that and wombats get a vote. Ain’t democracy great.
    
    A Mike Williams patented wedding plan with Jim Anderton overtones.
    Parliament stops for election T minus 7 weeks.
    Cindy gets married Saturday 7 weeks before election.
    NZs own Royal wedding with Lorde singing Royals and Dizzy Marvelous in fine form singing a karakia.
    Then honeymoon so no-one can write anything nasty. Comes back from honeymoon and launches election campaign.
    
    The big African American in the woodpile here is that Clarke with an E will have grown pretty wary with being played and strung out for several years as beta boy so will have to be a big Teev show for him or host of something like dancing with starz.
    If the COL make it that far.
    Another card they will play, if they get that far, is Ardern’s 40th birthday will be 26 July 2020 so months from a cyclical election date.
    
    I think you are correct MW.
    Third quarter of 2019.
    The second winter of discontent.
    One year from an election the stats will show.
    375 houses built and 2300 trees planted.
    Another round of strikes.
    Winter holidays more expensive with low NZD.
    98 petrol above $3.00 a litre.
    Recessionary pressure will keep interest rates low but, as with late 1980s, when interest rates rise Govts are in trouble.
    
    Whatever the timeline, with this lot it will be pain for decent people and joy for dirtbags.
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:31am
    - calendar girl
      
      You beat me to it, howitis!
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:35am
    - Longknives
      
      Howitis-
      There are also rumours circulating of a possible (Taxpayer funded of course) ‘Reality TV Show’ in the works..
      Following a young Stay-at-Home Dad and his daily ‘hilarity’ with the baby..
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:43am
  - calendar girl
    
    Normally, I would go along with your pick, Maggy – you are always very perceptive when reading the tea-leaves.
    
    In the present scenario, however, Ardern still has one major card that she can play: a joyous Gayford – Ardern wedding in Spring next year.
    
    Announcement of the ‘engagement’ early in 2019 would fill the political vacuum, and deflect from further Government challenges. But do couples who have been living together for years, and have a baby, still ‘do’ formal engagements???
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:33am
DigNap15

I’m going to follow Newstalk ZB and call her Ardern.
No more Jacinda, Cindy, Stardust etc etc.
Just Ardern.
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September 8, 2018 9:11am
- Chuck Bird
  
  When I ring NewstalkZB I refer to her as Comrade Ardern.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:16am
  - wiseowl
    
    Chuck.
    Wonder what OJ calls her?
    Did you catch him last night?
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:12am
- kevn
  
  @DigNap… Has been JA from me for months.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:17am
- rightoverlabour
  
  SLG. Actually, Very SLG
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:29am
- Woz
  
  Toothy. I offer her no more respect than that.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:53am
  - tf78
    
    I call her “the Gobby Mare”
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:27am
    - dubya
      
      I go for ‘The Stupid Peoples’ Princess’
      
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      September 8, 2018 1:01pm
- Duxton
  
  Depends on whether I am phoning, texting or (very occasionally) emailing ZB.
  
  Phone: Jacinda Ardern.
  
  Text/email: The Morrinsville Rootbag.
  
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  September 8, 2018 11:43am
DigNap15

I don’t want the COL to fold just yet, as they would probably win another election.
We need to wait till the polls show a major rise for National to 54% or similar.
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September 8, 2018 9:13am
MT_Tinman

125 years ago on Sept. 19 we gave women the vote.

What a bloody great mess they’ve made of it!
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September 8, 2018 9:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and can I mention a few names:
  Geoffrey Palmer
  Geoffrey Palmer
  Geoffrey Palmer?
  
  Perhaps there are some other males that could be added to the list.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Undoubtedly, but that is enough. Palmer was pinnacle of male ineptitude and continues to bore us with his crap thoughts like we really want to know them, there are others . . . .
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:09am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Maggy females have had the majority for most of that 125 years.
    
    Palmer (and Bolger for that matter) is down to you lot.
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:20am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yes Tinman, there are a lot of awful women out there who ruin it for the rest of us females. The same can be said about some men, not all men.
      Maggy is correct about Geoffrey Palmer, what a clusterf**k goofball leader. ?
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:01am
sooty

I see in that former leading newspaper they are calling Clare Curren a former MP.
Do they know something we don’t?
Is there a byelection in Dunners?
No name as to the writer!
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September 8, 2018 9:17am
Fletch

I see Obama is back and started spewing his anti-Trump bullshit, saying democracy is in danger and all sorts of other rubbish. The media have picked it up of course. No class at all. Whether you like or hate Bush, he was silent the whole of Obama’s two terms.
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September 8, 2018 9:18am
- Harkman
  
  Obama was a door mat, everyone walked all over him. And to think his own Administration spied on the rival party, Banana Republic stuff.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman,
    
    “And to think his own Administration spied on the rival party,…”
    
    By “The Kenyan”
    
    ????
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:35am
- KevOB
  
  Obama not having kept below the parapet can now expect to have his head shot off.
  If Trump declassifies more documents Obama may well be on trial.
  
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  September 8, 2018 11:06am
artemisia

Question. Can information created or in play while a Minister be the subject of a Question or OIA request to a subsequent Minister in the same portfolio?

I expect Ms Lee already knows the answer.
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September 8, 2018 9:19am
- Dave Mann
  
  Another question. Wouldn’t the Opposition be better led by Ms Lee than that soppy wet blob whatsisname who is(nt) leading it now?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:26am
  - artemisia
    
    I expect there is a plan in place. Why would there not be?
    
    Mr Bridges said the other day year 1 is for info gathering and listening, year 2 for policy development and 2020 for the obvious. No point in being previous.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:45am
    - Komata
      
      artemisa
      
      So therefore, if there was an election tomorrow, Simon would loose it!!!!!
      
      For crying out loud, Simon, pull finger and actually act as if you are in election mode.
      
      Year 3??? YOU HAVEN’T GOT THE LUXURY!!
      
      (Please, can someone, anyone, tell him that!!)
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:58am
      - KevOB
        
        My view is that COL is doing just that–loosing the next election.
        I have never seen the MSM turn so rapidly previously.
        
        Women voters have been very sensitive to a govts ability to manage–it probably impacts their perception about security needed for themselves and their families. Maybe Ardern believes she is sufficient and that having a women at the top of govt is a substitute for necessary management. Maybe the sisterhood can contract out management demand like running a call centre? Ardern’s delusion may not be fragile but many voters are if their security is felt to be threatened.
        
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        September 8, 2018 11:25am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Wow. Downticks for my comment are running at 2-1 so far. You guys really do think that dribble whatsisname is ‘leading the opposition’ to this clusterfuck government, don’t you??
    
    Amazing. I hope there’s not an early election while this man is our only hope of getting a competent government. If so, National will plummet out of existence. 🙁
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:13am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Leader – Judith
      Deputy – Chris Bishop
      
      2 ticks Blue ☑️☑️
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:14am
      - Jazzby
        
        Not so long ago, I’d have agreed with you; however, I went to a meeting the other day, hosted by these two. What an embarrassment: Bishop was looking like an early David Lange in his ‘slob’ days, whilst Collins appeared to be doing a stand-up comedienne act, something like a poor man’s Jo Brand. Sure, it was a get-together for “Superblues” (God, that’s patronising!), but nothing of substance was aired; what’s more, Collins was disingenuously trying to get a laugh about Winston Peters’ apparent volte face over the Maori seats (when she must have known full well what his strategy was – get the Bill to Select Committee, and there insert a clause to mandate a binding referendum.). Those of us who are elderly, but not yet in our dotage, don’t appreciate being treated as simpletons. If Collins has any aspirations to lead National, she’s going to have to work on restoring her gravitas, and treat potential voters with a bit more respect.
        
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        September 8, 2018 6:08pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Dave; we are seeing right now what happens when an opposition isn’t prepared to govern. National can’t make any assumptions about the coalition not lasting the distance, so have to plan on the basis of an election being held around two years from now.
      
      I’m involved with my local branch in the policy area, and I can assure you that there is plenty of work going on behind the scenes from grassroots members through to the caucus and leadership. National will have a suite of strong and robust policies, but it is way too early in the cycle to announce anything.
      
      And if the PM has to go to the country early because Peters has once again brought down his own government, National will be ready, I assure you. Accept the reality that any opposition finds it hard to get media time, but especially so when there’s a new government, a popular leader, and in this case, a baby.
      
      National is not a one-man band. You can’t say that about either Labour or Winston First.
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:23am
      - KevOB
        
        ☑️☑️*
        
        *Get these here:
        
        https://getemoji.com/
        
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        September 8, 2018 11:27am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Good comment, KS. Nice to hear from somebody who has skin in the game (or whatever the correct saying is). So there’s hope then?
        
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        September 8, 2018 12:09pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Great to hear KS. I hope National are preparing eye-catching, ‘dancing Cossack’ type ads to have ready before the election. Straight to the point to remind the voters of this COL’s treachery, petrol ‘levy’ rises, Ardern Air, Curran, etc, etc.
        
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        September 8, 2018 1:06pm
- marcw
  
  Yes, the incoming Minister inherits all responsibility for the portfolio. The only difference is they did not make the earlier decisions, just have to wear them or make adjustments/changes to them.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:56am
Gravelroad

Plastic Alert! Plastic Alert! Plastic Alert!

Front page headline in our local free paper yesterday:
“A ‘Shocking’ Find”
Kids at local pre-school discover birds nest in garden.
Forensic investigation of nest reveals several pieces of – wait for it – PLASTIC – used in its construction.
Staff shocked to see impact of plastic on bird life.
Someone should tell these birds about evil plastic and scold them for endangering their young by using it to insulate nests.
Such is life in the provinces. No Curran, Farage or Golriz.
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September 8, 2018 9:19am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Nest building birds are great recyclers. We often chop up left over knitting wool and leave it out for the birds, and the hair from de-clogging the hairbrushes is put out in the garden too.
  I hadn’t thought of shredding the plastic bags.
  If it’s helpful, why not?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:32am
- VicParking
  
  Birds develop. By using plastic to build their nests birds can use them for five years rather than building a new one each year
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:11am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    I’m not sure it works quite like that.
    Many build a new nest each year, regardless of the condition of the old one.
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:12am
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps VP but as other point out it is part of the bird life to build a new nest each year in most species. However they are quite clever if one takes the time to enjoy their skill, energy, industriousness, wisdom and adaptability. They need anybody to tell them plastic is weatherproof just like they don’t need to be told it is bad. To them and even many cleaver people they know it is recyclable in so many ways it might be a wonder product.
    
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    September 8, 2018 2:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://cpiekarski.com/2011/05/24/the-era-of-synthetic-bird-nests/
  
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  September 8, 2018 2:58pm
krazykiwi

I’m interested in the impact (if any) Ardern leadership trainwreck is having on opinion polls.

Anyone know the timetable for the next polls?
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September 8, 2018 9:25am
- MCos
  
  There’s an election in a couple of years. As all the politicians will tell you, that’s the only one that counts.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:36am
- mandk
  
  No need to wait, kk.
  
  I am reliably informed that UMR has Labour on 48%, New Zealand First on 12%, and the Greens on 8%.
  
  In other news, a squadron of pigs was spotted this morning, flying over the Beehive.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:36am
- rockape
  
  Reid should be out soon I think. Maybe in the next 2 weeks.
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:09am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Thing Labour will be down and NZF will be up. Be rather amusing if this encouraged NZF to continue undermining Labour’s bumblefuck polices.
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:56am
sooty

The plastic straws would be handy for the babyee birds to breathe when the nest fills up with water in the rain.
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September 8, 2018 9:28am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
A parallel trainwreck is happening exactly in Trump’s White House ,

“ We’re in Crazytown’: a week of dysfunction in the Trump White House.”

Woodward’s book Fear about the White House dropped like a bomb and an anonymous op-ed attacked Donald Trump

Monday was a bank holiday in America. Donald Trump almost went golfing for the third day in a row, after attending his golf course the day before and on Saturday when he was not invited to John McCain’s funeral. Then – motorcade waiting on Monday morning – he appeared to change his mind abruptly and retreated to the White House. Maybe he could see storm clouds gathering. But it was the storm inside his own White House he needed to worry about – and on Tuesday it broke. Here’s what we learned this week.

• Tuesday kicked off badly……”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/07/trump-week-of-dysfunction-inside-the-white-house

Anyone know the timetable for the next Presidents approval rating?
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September 8, 2018 9:30am
- Harkman
  
  All wrong Ralph, “Crazytown” was made up and debunked. Monday wasn’t a bank holiday, it was Labor day you idiot. Sarah Palin wasn’t invited to his funeral either.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:34am
  - holysheet
    
    Since when is a person “Invited” to a funeral.
    When the drunken dwarf eventually dies, I can see 100’s of people going to his tangi just to make sure the prick is actually dead.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:47am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Some with stakes . . . .
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:12am
    - Paulus
      
      And pour a bottle of whisky over his grave after it has been through my kidneys.
      
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      September 8, 2018 2:45pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman, Labour day also known as a Bank holiday in the US,
    
    http://www.theholidayschedule.com/banks/us-bank-holidays.php
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:48am
- All_on_Red
  
  Friday September 7
  The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.
  
  African American unemployment down to 6.3%- a new low
  201,000 new jobs created in August
  
  Still higher than Obamas at the same time…
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    All on Red, wrong!
    
    Donald Trump’s Presidential Job Approval Ratings
    
    Approval rating Dates
    %
    Most recent weekly average 41 Aug 27-Sep 2, 2018
    Term average to date 39 Jan 20, 2017-present
    High point, weekly average 45 Jan 20-29, 2017, and Jun 11-17, 2018
    Low point, weekly average 35 four times, last on Dec 11-17, 2017
    
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:41am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Tell that to Rasmussen who were the most accurate Polling company in the US Election and who are the only ones who does daily Polling on Presidential Approval.
      Fact!
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:45am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        All on Red,
        
        Fact? Says whom?
        
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        September 8, 2018 9:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        Daily Presidential tracking poll
        
        Friday, September 07, 2018
        
        The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.
        
        The latest figures include 32% who Strongly Approve of the president is performing and 43% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. (see
        
        trends).
        
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_sep07
        
        LOL All on Red KB’s dumbest poster!
        
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        September 8, 2018 9:54am
      - All_on_Red
        
        To start with;
        Wiki on the 2008
        ‘According to Politico, “Rasmussen’s final poll of the 2008 general election—showing Obama defeating Arizona Sen. John McCain 52 percent to 46 percent—closely mirrored the election’s outcome.”[42] In reference to the 2008 presidential election, a Talking Points Memo article said, “Rasmussen’s final polls had Obama ahead 52%-46%, which was nearly identical to Obama’s final margin of 53%–46%, and made him one of the most accurate pollsters out there.”[4
        
        Wiki On 2016
        Rasmussen Reports’ final White House Watch survey showed Democrat Hillary Clinton with a 2.0% Popular Vote lead over Republican Donald Trump.[56] After all 136+ million U.S. votes were counted, Hillary Clinton lead the Popular Vote by 2.1%.[
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:02am
      - Swifty
        
        “LOL All on Red KB’s dumbest poster!”
        
        Er, no. That accolade has your rat claws firmly clenched on it for eternity.
        
        Proof? The number of green ticks this post will gain.
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:06am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Err Stephie, you’ve just pointed out 48% approval…
        
        I see you’ve quoted Gallup. Yet in the same Rasmussen link you copy from is this comment.
        ‘Now that Gallup has quit the field, Rasmussen Reports is the only nationally recognized public opinion firm that still tracks President Trump’s job approval ratings on a daily basis.’
        
        ‘Now that Gallup has left the field’…
        Sooo funny eh dumbass
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:07am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Woodward has zero credibility.
  The people he quotes in his book have denied making the statements he attributes to them.
  
  As a general rule: if sources are anonymous they are probably worthless.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:38am
  - stephieboy
    
    Shaun the Sheep.
    
    “Woodward has zero credibility.”
    
    Why precisely?
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:43am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Did you get as far as sentence two?
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    Like ” Deep Throat?
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:55am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Sigh
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:05am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I sort of miss the SB’s LOL’s when they don’t get added in, they are so persuasive to all your points and arguments said no-one ever . . . .
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:14am
- GazzaW
  
  You haven’t commented at all on the Labour clusterfucks this week steffie. Has the cat got your tongue? Milky, muttonhead where are you?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    Gazza W, I wouldn’t use that kind of abusive language but, yes I think quite obviously Jacinda has to get her act together!
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:58am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      … I think …
      
      Evidence and sources?
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:00am
      - Swifty
        
        Google….. 0 results returned…..
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:07am
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus , you Charlatan.
        
        Evidence,
        
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/books-obituaries/8195118/Jean-Charles-de-Fontbrune.html
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:10am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Good grief. Stephieboy cites “evidence” that I’m the 16th-century French astrologer Nostradamus. Yes I am, Stephieboy, and I have a time machine.
        
        Now we’ve got that out of the way, why don’t you tell us more about the “BRIAN” architecture that you were wittering on about the other day?
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:20am
    - GazzaW
      
      LOL………
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:05am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Tsk tsk
        
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        September 8, 2018 12:49pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    It will be interesting to watch Mike et all today. The attacks, diversions – all over the place, with long periods of silence
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:03am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The pointy heads advisers in Fraser House are having a lie down, yesterday was quite busy and Monday may not be any better . . . .
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:17am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  A diversion from one of the usual suspects.
  Don’t feed the troll
  
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  September 8, 2018 11:13am
Harkman

Is this (socialist) Labour MP Duncan Webb trying to sell a treadmill on Trademe? Wow, $505 for a second hand one. He lives in St Albans too.

https://preview.trademe.co.nz/search?member_listing=674486
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September 8, 2018 9:31am
- stephieboy
  
  Harkman ,d.webb gives the game away?
  
  Are you Ok?
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:00am
Fisiani

This government is rebranding the Education Council as the Teaching Council. That is costing $700,000 . That would pay for 37,000 teacher aides. This incompetent government is all sizzle and no sausage.
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September 8, 2018 9:32am
- Keeping Stock
  
  There’s something wrong with your maths Fisiani. $700k divided by 37,000 = $18.92, which would only be one hour per 37,000 teacher aides. It’s a valid argument about the overspend though.
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:47am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Variable arithmetic with the roving decimal point
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:35am
MrTips

Good Lord, Curran just demonstrates total stupidity and her unsuitability to even be in Parliament:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12121531

Who, or more precisely, what voted for her? Is Dunedin South that dumb or parochial?
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September 8, 2018 9:32am
- Nostradamus
  
  Clare Curran hits back at RNZ journalist on Twitter, then deletes account
  
  Jane Patterson (@janepatterson)
  
  Wow – former Labour Party Minister Marian “boo-boo” Hobbs makes comeback at the Curran presser as the muscle, keeping the media at bay
  
  That’s hilarious – especially for those of us who remember Marion Hobbs in parliament question time. She was known as Boo Boo the Fifth teletubby for a reason!
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:36am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Hey Clare and Jacinda: bet you are looking back with fondness on those fun days in the flat-
    No worries, staff to do any work required.
    All those simple years in opposition getting well paid.
    Long lunches on the taxpayer, drinks at 4.30, party after dinner and time to develop “relationships”.
    No effort to be made with policy development or leadership training.
    No accountability or pressure to perform.
    No one being mean.
    Sigh…………
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:46am
    - holysheet
      
      You left out the “no baaaaybeeee” part.
      
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      September 8, 2018 9:49am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Maybe that is the hold-over secret; was there ever a baby and nec minit . . . . .
        
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        September 8, 2018 10:19am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Clare and Jacinda are probably eyeing the opposition benches with nostalgia.
      Sure, the pay isn’t as good and you don’t get on telly so much, but you only have to turn up to eat your lunch, sit in a meeting or two and go home again.
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:19am
  - GazzaW
    
    Clarehas cancelled her Twitter account? That’s a tad premature. What on earth will she do with her time perched up on the remotest back bench? Labour won’t even entrust her with asking patsy questions.
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:53am
  - simpleton1
    
    And the offended replies, then deletes
    https://twitter.com/GeoffsViewsofNZ
    
    Clare Curran-
    That’s an incredibly nasty comment Jane. Just show a damm example to other journalists will you
    
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    September 8, 2018 9:53am
  - Swifty
    
    A pity Curran never had this as an objective for herself:
    
    “Just show a damn example to other MPs will you.”
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:10am
  - RF
    
    Hobbs was like a Jap Sumo wrestler blocking the footpath so media could not follow Curran after her presser.
    
    I was surprised to see that she is still around. She will still have her snout in the trough and moonlight as a minder for Labour Party dropouts…..
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:40am
DigNap15

It will take time for people to wake up about the coalition.
At present they have had
A wage rise
Benefit rises
Free tertiary education
Power subsidies
I don’t think most people care much about shennagins in parliament.
We need to wait till inflation and the petrol price rises kick in.
And for business confidence and the dollar to keep falling
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September 8, 2018 9:48am
- GazzaW
  
  The petrol price increases have already started to kick in and Twyford’s blatant lie about the average cost increase to families being $5 per week has been exposed as total bullshit. The media has spotted a good story and this is going to be another source of continuing embarassment for the COL.
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:01am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Twyford told the nation its only a cup of coffee a week. I don’t no about the smug one but I’m kind of missing my 20 litre cup of coffee I have each week
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:19am
- rangitoto
  
  Local chippie have put their prices up. First change for a long time. Petrol already at record and more tax about to go on.
  
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  September 8, 2018 11:27am
  - Manolo
    
    Aren’t Mrs Ardern and her Labour government wonderful?
    
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    September 8, 2018 4:21pm
All_on_Red

Interesting take on the NYT op ed
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/7-points-on-the-anonymous-new-york-times-resistance-op-ed?platform=hootsuite

‘1) It concedes Trump’s accomplishments are big. Early in the piece, the author admits that the Trump administration has had significant success on the issues most important to American voters. “Many of [the administration’s] policies have already made America safer and more prosperous,” he writes.

2) Its complaints are small. Why does the author object to Trump? The president is not a true philosophical conservative, he says:

Etc
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September 8, 2018 9:48am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red, how to does this explain the President’s Rassumen poll disapproval ratings?
  
  He must be doing something wrong?
  
  http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/nobodys-neutral-about-trumps-job-performance.html
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:17am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Voters are polarised. Just like under Obama.
    Tell you what though. The vast majority on here think you’re an idiot.
    You having to ask that question proves it.
    
    Seen your Doctor yet?
    https://m.wikihow.com/Be-Less-Perverted
    
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    September 8, 2018 4:18pm
DigNap15

Todays Maori Vocab Lesson
This is great timing as its Maori Language week.
Yet Stuff is going to give us a fortnightly lesson on Maori by some expert.
Fortuitous
Once again the printed Maori dictionary does not have that word, which was used today in an article on Stuff.
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September 8, 2018 9:52am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I can help you with that translation.
  
  Fortuitous – tētrēätysēttlēmēnt
  
  You are welcome
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:23am
DigNap15

One or two of you think I should use an online dictionary.
I am more interested in older printed dictionaries, so I am going to try to buy another one.
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September 8, 2018 9:53am
- Nostradamus
  
  DigNap15:
  
  The Stuff Nation team want to hear from you: What does te reo Māori mean to you?
  
  The theme of Maori Language Week in 2018 is Kia Kaha te Reo Māori: Let’s Make the Māori language strong.
  
  Have you learned te reo? Why did you choose to study it? What benefits has it brought you and how do others respond when you use it?
  
  Maybe you’ve had the language passed on to you through whānau or you’re trying to pass it on to your children. What does it mean to you?
  
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  September 8, 2018 9:57am
  - KevOB
    
    Trouble. I hate to hear all the mispronounciation and bad grammar from thr PC aspirants. They don’t know the accent patterns either.
    
    It should all be over in 2o years: not enough teachers for too few words. Owhateeharrower is best left to elderly activists.
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    We are not entering Bigots territory!
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:21am
    - KevOB
      
      I’m no bigot. I worked 7 years in the Pacific and could speak and check a translation from a current national language for law drafting. My loyalties lay with the locals not the outsider’s clique.
      
      Maori (te reo) bothers me because the language has not developed. I enjoy hearing the formal language spoken but that is reserved to a select few and holds the genealogies.
      
      It is not possible to develop te reo to where it would be useful relative to English for communication. Effectively we would end up with 90% transliterated borrowings and a hybrid Maori-English grammar. This issue has cropped up in education and resolved by teaching both languages with English becoming the common language for these technical times.
      In NZ the elders foresaw this in the 1930. They encouraged the use of English as the preferred way ahead. With the limited words and teachers I am sensing the language falling into disuse except on the marae.
      
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      September 8, 2018 12:08pm
      - SGA
        
        a hybrid Maori-English grammar
        
        I’m genuinely curious (I find linguistic stuff interesting – but not enough to study it formally). Why would the grammar need hybridising? There is lots of variation in grammatical structures across most language groups?
        
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        September 8, 2018 1:29pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Why would the grammar need hybridising?
        
        It wouldn’t – Maori was a fully-functional language for a long time before English-speakers turned up. Its grammar will certainly and probably already has been affected by English, just through the sheer dominance of English and the relative shortage of native Maori speakers, much like English grammar has been affected by other languages over the centuries. It doesn’t need to borrow from English to have fully-functional grammar though, any more than English needed to have its grammar changed by other languages that influenced it.
        
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        September 8, 2018 1:57pm
      - KevOB
        
        @SGA
        
        Samoa and Tonga each have 3 spoken languages, Maori too. There is a formal language used in Church or by people of special rank on appropriate occasions; another for general use and a further one, a “street” language in common use.
        This third variant was having “k” substituted for “t” and the simpler English grammar form was also in use. e.g. O te wahine tenei became o te tenei wahine. (The woman this –>this woman). These grammatical changes have been heard frequently on Maori media segments here.
        Polynesian also has complex set of pronouns implicitly setting relationships, the numbers of people involved and whether the message is being received or sent.
        
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        September 9, 2018 7:34am
      - SGA
        
        Three spoken “languages”, KevOB, or three variants of one? Even in English, we are taught that there is a formal way of writing that has stricter rules than conversational English.
        From what you are saying, contact with English has, not surprisingly, produced some modification in Maori, but that’s how languages develop. English itself has become all the richer from such contact (especially in terms of vocabulary). Maori had already changed from the language spoken by its original settlers, and, I imagine was developing regional variants as we still see throughout the UK.
        From what I can see, William Hobson would find modern English odd, especially in terms of vocabulary and idiom.
        
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        September 9, 2018 7:50am
  - DigNap15
    
    Thanks – all done!
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:42am
- KevOB
  
  A printed dictionary for te reo–spoken?
  Anything post 1840 is modern.
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:19am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, I am really only interested in the Maori language uptil then.
    All the rest is just modern invention
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:43am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      So, you’ll only be interested in English as it was up until 1066, then? Because everything since is just modern invention. Good luck with that…
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:01am
    - SGA
      
      DigNap15
      
      All the rest is just modern invention
      
      Yep – languages change with time – probably a little slower nowadays with more established conventions for spelling and suchlike – but change they do. American English and UK English (itself a delightful mishmash of regional variations) grew apart, but perhaps have come together again a bit more with global media (the spellchecker here seems to think I am in the USA). I wonder if William Hobson would have recognised the word “cookie” as a biscuit (which is more like a scone in the US, I think) and obviously not as a component of communication software. Would he have had a “fly” on his pants (or would he have called them trousers – I doubt he wore “jeans” – he’d probably have thought you were accusing him of cross dressing)?
      So, good luck 🙂
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:39am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        This recent paper will be of interest to those of us reflecting on the changing use of Maori Language:
        
        Human Perceptions of Megafaunal Extinction Events Revealed by Linguistic Analysis of Indigenous Oral Traditions
        https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10745-018-0004-0
        
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        September 8, 2018 3:18pm
Fletch

Good God, Elon Musk has totally lost it – smoking dope during an interview while shares in his company dropped 10%…

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/07/elon-musk-smokes-weed-on-joe-rogan-show/
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September 8, 2018 9:55am
- MrTips
  
  LOL. Just marketing for the new BlazeIt-420-Tesla? What a stupid thing to do.
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:00am
Steve (North Shore)

I have something to say:
Melissa Ji-Yun Lee, if you are reading this, congratulations. If you are not reading this, congratulations!
If you have a slight hangover this morning, congratulations – you earned it.
Maybe now the National Party hierarchy will give you the credit that you so well deserve. Btw, don’t stop – full steam ahead
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September 8, 2018 9:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  축하드립니다.
  파이팅!
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:08am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    My translater works!
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:17am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      How does it translate 파이팅!?
      
      (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paiting)
      
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      September 8, 2018 10:44am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        ‘fighting’
        
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        September 8, 2018 11:15am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @steve (North shore)
        
        That’s the trouble with direct translation…
        파이팅 doesn’t mean fighting in Korean
        
        싸움 = fighting.
        
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        September 8, 2018 11:27am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    내 호버크라프트는 장어로 가득 차 있어요
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:49am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      That’s a beauty.
      ‘My hovercraft is filled with eel’
      I give up
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:17am
      - KevOB
        
        Eels spin so that powers the fan.
        
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        September 8, 2018 12:12pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Kī tōnu taku waka topaki i te tuna
        
        Mi aerodeslizador está lleno de anguilas
        
        Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale
        
        http://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/hovercraft.htm
        
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        September 8, 2018 1:59pm
- Paulus
  
  I have always understood that Chinese do not drink, my friends do not neither do their large families.
  
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  September 8, 2018 2:49pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Melissa is Korean. Koreans have ‘soju’ a white spirit.
    Now Chinese have liquor as well, ‘Moutai Prince’ and ‘Shen Zhou Tiu’ also white spirits. I have some – it boots your head off.
    
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    September 8, 2018 3:35pm
- GoVege
  
  And Melissa, if you’re reading this, please ask your fellow Koreans NOT to allow the torture and killing of dogs and cats to…eat.
  It makes your country look really bad, as well as being incredibly cruel.
  Thanks.
  
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  September 8, 2018 5:06pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    What a sour vegetable – a radish or turnip you are.
    Direct racist attack. Now there are people that breed and eat guinea pigs, horses, and even marsupials.
    By eating vegetables you are stealing the animals food.
    How about have sex and travel?
    Edit veg man, If you think Sth Korea is cruel, maybe you should visit Pyongyang
    
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    September 8, 2018 6:08pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Never, to the best of my knowledge have I eaten cat meat. But the dog boshintang (+ beer) was delicious.
    
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    September 8, 2018 6:16pm
dime

fuck me the dollar has fallen below .65

this government isnt even a year in and they are killing the economy.

luckily for them they said – capitalism has failed!!

followed by winnies “the economy is about to shit itself in the next year or so and its nationals fault”
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September 8, 2018 10:02am
- VicParking
  
  Robbo will say that’s a good thing as it will increase our export returns
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:18am
  - KevOB
    
    It also increases my raw material import costs which translates into serious magnified retail prices.
    These have to allow for manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers and GST all to have their shares. Costs don’t disappear because our dollar drops.
    
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    September 8, 2018 12:13pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  My Alaskan friends are following this, they may come here next year. US$1 = NZ$1.53 – they like that
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:22am
  - dime
    
    good for them. i liked going to the US when it was 80 cents.
    
    its all about balance.
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:47am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Needs to be up there, Hawaii was so expensive – Alaska not so much
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:19am
    - Colville
      
      yeah fuck it all I am off to Europe for a month on Monday!
      
      but I suppose..I am sending 20,000 tonnes of pine logs off shore this summer…
      
      woop woop 🙂
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:20am
- BananaLlama
  
  Cheer up Dime, sell your rentals and buy a farm.
  https://www.interest.co.nz/rural/sheep/lamb-y
  https://beeflambnz.com/sites/default/files/data/files/All%20grades%20lamb%20%24%20per%20head.pdf
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:41am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  The dropping dollar shows that capitalism is a blatant failure and it’s all the fault of Hone Ki
  
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  September 8, 2018 11:27am
Nukuleka

I note that some Waikato University ‘academics’ are calling for broadcasters to be fined during Maori language Week if they mispronounce Maori words! About time broadcasters, parliamentarians, advertisers were fined every time they mispronounced English words. Wow, there’s real money to be made there! Oops, silly me- the English language is an ‘evolving one’, whereas Maori is ….?
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September 8, 2018 10:03am
- Brigitte
  
  They could set up a Loyal Society for those who mispronounce – here’s details of one the Brits set up:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ0nFQgRApY
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:18am
- DigNap15
  
  Why do we pay such idiots?
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:44am
- cmm
  
  The Maori language is a Western contrivance.
  
  Real Maori was highly regional – like UK. Fining someone for mispronouncing Maori is like fining a cockney for not speaking brummy.
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:51am
- KevOB
  
  With 7 tribes who says who is speaking correctly?
  
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  September 8, 2018 12:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ngati Porou won this battle decades ago.
    That’s why you hear Fonganewee and Fongiwhoo. on National Radio now and in our Schools.
    
    Pronunciations I never heard when growing up on the west coast of the N.I.
    
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    September 8, 2018 1:36pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Broadcasters OVER pronounce Moari words, it makes my head hurt
  
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  September 8, 2018 3:38pm
cmm

Curran still providing ammo and pissing off the MSM…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12121531

Sweetie, it doesn’t matter if it is nasty or not. More importantly is it TRUE!
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September 8, 2018 10:06am
slightlyrighty

I have seen press reports about the crisis now facing Ardern with regards to her statements about Curren, and laying this scandal squarely at her feet…..from French based Media.

Kiwi based media on the other hand, are avoiding this narrative, or reducing it to a By-Line in the Curran story.
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September 8, 2018 10:06am
mandk

I had never heard of this bloke before, but it seems he didn’t even live long enough to qualify for the stupid club.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/106931381/rapper-mac-miller-dead-at-26–reports

When is Winston’s girlie going to pay tribute, to show that she is youth adjacent?
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September 8, 2018 10:20am
- sooty
  
  She left that behind as soon as she dropped the bundle. She’s an old solo mum now!
  
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  September 8, 2018 1:34pm
VicParking

I see that the sea is rising in NZ 4mm higher on average than the rest of the world. I have always wondered why my bath is deeper at one end than the other.
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September 8, 2018 10:22am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  We need to get our 4L plasic bottle down to the beach and fill them up real quick. Put them in the kitchen cupboard – take the water out of the cycle.
  Stop sea levels taking our land!
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:28am
  - Fletch
    
    LOL, didn’t someone suggest doing this for real? I think I remember reading it at some stage.
    
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    September 8, 2018 10:47am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Yeah, that was me //
      
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      September 8, 2018 11:22am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  You are a climate alarmist!
  
  I suggest you check the house piles (piles in there as a single word was never going to work; the washing is finished so I have to go and hang it out)
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:33am
  - VicParking
    
    Thats why I take a bath to relive my piles
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:00am
- DJ Ward
  
  What side of NZ are you on? One side is sinking, one side is rising. Also high glacially covered land experiences rebound during interglacial periods. Has thier been a shift in mantel density below us as this can pull in the earths crust by quite significant distances. Is 4mm within the margin of error?
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:52am
  - VicParking
    
    Tell that to the nut cases at the climate change forum in Wellington. They presented the paper.
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:01am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    It is Guam that has the real problem:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hank-johnson-worries-guam-could-capsize-after-marine-buildup/
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:26am
  - Kabull
    
    And no doubt the eroding east coast of England, particularly Norfolk, is a result of global warming/sea level rise/man-made whatever – notwithstanding that it has been going on for hundreds of years …
    
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    September 8, 2018 1:50pm
- KevOB
  
  More scare from the champs. The Uni of Auckland has disproved this for the Pacific.
  I believe NIWA was not claiming a further +4mm but the number was greater than an annual 3mm/yr (300mm/century–1 foot) attributed globally.
  
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  September 8, 2018 12:33pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

This is a shocker. US Academics conspire to prevent publication and then later get un-published a mathematical study on possible explanation for greater male variablity (a common multi-species scientific observation since the times of Darwin).

Academia even outside the humanities is now demonstrating hopeless bias.
https://quillette.com/2018/09/07/academic-activists-send-a-published-paper-down-the-memory-hole/
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September 8, 2018 10:44am
- cmm
  
  Science is screwed if it is left to academia. Peer revue is no longer scientific revue, but rather activist revue.
  
  It needs to go back to its roots: amateurs. They drove scientific progress through the 1800s and 1900s.
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:48am
DigNap15

I’m waiting for global warming.
Another 2 or 3 degrees in winter here would be great!
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September 8, 2018 10:46am
- DJ Ward
  
  The 2 or 3 degrees with no rain in summer, killing all farm life doesn’t sound like a bonus.
  
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  September 8, 2018 10:55am
  - Colville
    
    We have plenty of rain and plenty of hill country for dams….
    
    currently a the river near me is doing 814 M3/sec of water straight out to sea…
    
    (50,000,000 liters a min)
    
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    September 8, 2018 11:23am
    - krazykiwi
      
      50m litres per minute reads like an export opportunity to me
      
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      September 8, 2018 2:17pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  1995 UAH global temp anomaly for August: 0.23°C
  2018 UAH global temp anomaly for August 0.19°C
  
  Temps have gone up a little, but only by fractions of a degree. Warming rate is about 1.2°C/ century. You won’t live long enough for any useful warming.
  
  The 2°C “Catastrophic warming” line being pushed by IPCC is a crock of shit – they have pulled the number out of their arse with no solid justification. Most countries, NZ included, will benefit greatly from that much warming, and the 2mm/year sea level rise (consistent for last 100+ years) is only an issue for a few low-lying river delta countries like netherlands and bangladesh.
  
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  September 8, 2018 2:49pm
slightlyrighty

There is one thing that I am struggling to get my head around.

Our Prime Minister deliberately misled the media, but the media seems to be going out of it’s way not to report this.
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September 8, 2018 10:56am
- VicParking
  
  As I said in an earlier post she could kick over a blind man and steal his begging bowl and the MSM would ignore it.
  
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  September 8, 2018 11:03am
  - MCos
    
    Don’t seem to see blind people begging anymore since the change of government!!
    
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    September 8, 2018 3:39pm
Psycho Milt

Our Prime Minister deliberately misled the media, but the media seems to be going out of it’s way not to report this.

If you think “doesn’t volunteer information they don’t have to” = “deliberately misled the media,” every Prime Minister we’ve ever had deliberately misled the media at just about every press conference. Which is why nobody in the media is picking up on DPF’s propaganda on the subject.
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September 8, 2018 11:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Reuters and the Guardian have.
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/07/jacinda-ardern-under-pressure-after-minister-resigns-amid-email-scandal
  
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  September 8, 2018 11:16am
  - Longknives
    
    Game.Set.Match Maggy Wassilieff!
    
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    Any comment after having your arse absolutely handed to you Psycho Milt??
    
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    September 8, 2018 4:59pm
    - nasska
      
      From Maggy’s link:
      
      …..”She is the first minister to resign since the Ardern’s coalition took office in late 2017.”…
      
      Ten green bottles hanging on the wall
      Ten green bottles hanging on the wall
      And if one green bottle should accidentally fall,
      There’ll be nine green bottles hanging on the wall.
      
      🙂
      
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      September 8, 2018 7:33pm
VicParking

Now I know why they need more teachers in schools.
They want to teacher kid to become Labour voters.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12121581
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September 8, 2018 11:11am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Real estate lobby boss tells struggling renters to “get two jobs” … The New Daily

https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2018/09/07/gunning-get-two-jobs/

The head of Australia’s peak real estate lobby group has come under fire for telling renters struggling to find affordable housing to get a second job.

Real Estate Institute of Australia president Malcolm Gunning made the comments in an interview with ABC’s 7.30 broadcast on Thursday night.
The program tackled the question of whether Australia is in the midst of a rental affordability crisis, with rents in major cities outpacing wage growth and the cost of living. … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above …
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… To rate as affordable, housing prices should not exceed 3.0 times gross annual household incomes …

2018 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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Australia’s property boom ends as credit squeeze begins | Financial Times
… google search title if blocked …

https://www.ft.com/content/cf5bcbf8-b0b1-11e8-8d14-6f049d06439c

Maggie Lu is one of thousands of borrowers experiencing a credit squeeze, which has abruptly ended Australia’s housing boom and could pose a risk to one of the world’s most successful economies. “

I got pre-approval for a mortgage last year but couldn’t find a house we could afford before it lapsed,” said the mother of two, who wanted to move from her Sydney apartment into a house. “

Prices are falling but now my bank will only agree a mortgage worth A$170,000 [US$120,000] less than the level agreed last year. So we are stuck.” …

… concluding …

… Some analysts said the housing correction should reduce financial risks over the long term, tackle a deterioration in housing affordability and inequality. Sydney is ranked the second least affordable city in the world, with house prices almost 13 times median income according to Demographia, a group that measures housing affordability. “

“The rise in house prices has arguably been the biggest source of increased inequality in the distribution of wealth, not only between rich and poor, but also between young and old, and urban and rural areas,” said Saul Eslake, a fellow of University of Tasmania. “As long as the decline doesn’t get out of hand, a gradual deflation of property prices, though painful for some, will do more social good than harm.”
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September 8, 2018 11:12am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Local councils put affordable housing supply in the too hard basket … The Conversation (Australia)
  
  https://theconversation.com/local-councils-put-affordable-housing-supply-in-the-too-hard-basket-97461
  
  Public concern about housing affordability in Australia is well documented. It would be reasonable to assume our local governments are giving the supply of affordable housing the attention it deserves. However, our national survey reveals that while it’s a growing concern for many local governments across the country, especially in metropolitan areas, most councils do not view the provision of affordable housing as a priority for them.
  
  The survey results strongly suggest that local governments do not feel they have the capacity to intervene in a meaningful way. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … It has only got worse in New Zealand since 2014 (the forced amalgamations of 1989 did the big damage) … when this local government satisfaction survey was finally reported mid 2015 …
  
  Poll shows local government has a reputation problem | The National Business Review
  
  https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/poll-shows-local-government-has-reputation-problem-b-172979
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  Brownlee did a superb job …
  
  Democracy questioned at Christchurch City Council … Christchurch NewstalkZB
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/christchurch/canterbury-mornings/audio/democracy-questioned-at-christchurch-city-council/
  
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  September 8, 2018 11:27am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    NEW ZEALAND: Properties give their owners a tax-free windfall – is that fair? … Susan Edmunds … Stuff NZ
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106811474/properties-give-their-owners-a-taxfree-windfall–is-that-fair
    
    When Kate Hawkesby and Mike Hosking sold their Remuera home recently, they banked about $4.1 million in capital gains.
    
    The Arney Rd property was bought in 2015 for $5.5m and sold this year for $9.6m.
    
    That means the property made $1.3m a year, on average, for each year they owned it, or $3561 a day.
    
    Nice work if you can get it – and under current tax laws, they did not have to pay any tax on the capital gain. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    September 8, 2018 12:18pm
    - stigie
      
      Oh fuck Hugh !~
      
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      September 8, 2018 3:16pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        AUSTRALIA: Buyers wait for bargains as Australia’s housing market hits long slide | Australia news | The Guardian
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/08/buyers-wait-for-bargains-as-australias-housing-market-hits-long-slide
        
        Five years ago banks were “falling over each other” to give out loans says the Sydney-based IT executive Karl Sice, who bought his first investment property 15 years ago. He currently has six properties in his portfolio across Sydney, Melbourne, and northern Queensland. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        Banking royal commission: Fees for the dead and cash bribes — the greatest shocks (so far) – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-08/banking-royal-commission-biggest-scandals/10214238
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        Insurance the next financial sector hoping to weather the banking royal commission storm – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-08/insurance-sector-to-face-banking-royal-commission/10215582
        
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        September 8, 2018 5:08pm
      - starboard
        
        NURSE!
        
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        September 8, 2018 6:44pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … for the political losers deservedly on the Opposition benches.
        
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        September 8, 2018 6:53pm
VicParking

Now I know why they need more teachers in schools.
They want everone to leave school as a Wankers not just the unemployable few.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12121581
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September 8, 2018 11:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Yet another example of alt-right sleep of reason!
  
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  September 8, 2018 12:27pm
- Longknives
  
  Aussie Schools are bizarre- I’ve got mates over there sending their kids to expensive Private Schools just to avoid the weird Sexual Indoctrination’ they are forced to sit through.
  Cross Dressing Days where boys are forced to wear dresses and make-up, Lessons about Gay Sex being ‘Natural and Beautiful’ (To disturbingly young kids), Endless ‘Rainbow’ celebrations (while ignoring traditional Sex Education)…
  
  It will happen here soon- Go Private!!
  
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  September 8, 2018 3:56pm
  - nasska
    
    Any feedback on how the goatbotherers react to this smorgasbord of sexuality?
    
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    September 8, 2018 4:07pm
Ross12

I do not pretend to be a stock market expert but reading recent figures around Amazon it would appear to be over hyped.

“A company worth $1 trillion has only made $8 billion in total net profit over 22 years.”

Jeff Bezos is now worth US$167 bill ( next on the list is Bill Gates at US$98 bill.)
Bezos’s wealth has increased US $ 67 bill this year.
—from Bloomberg.
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September 8, 2018 12:41pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes that guy is the biggest con man there has veer been.
  For years Amazon lost money while they were building up their sales.
  And now they are well established, they still don’t make any money.
  Their profit margins are very low, and they keep investing in new projects.
  Meanwhile, as you say he is making heaps!
  The shareholders not much or nada
  And they are killing other businesses!
  
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  September 8, 2018 1:20pm
  - Ross12
    
    BTW DigNap15 –that 22 years is from when they went public, not since they started. It would be interesting to know how many years it has been since they started making money.
    But the shareholders must be doing OK –esp those who got in early because his wealth must be largely due to share price increases.
    
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    September 8, 2018 1:38pm
stephieboy

Jeff Bezos must be doing a great many things right including this ,

Trump once praised The Washington Post and its owner Jeff Bezos

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/08/10/trump-once-praised-washington-post-its-owner-jeff-bezos/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.18935826c4d8
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September 8, 2018 2:43pm
krazykiwi

Swedish general election tomorrow. Sweden’s long-time ruling Social Democrats party are polled to produce their worst election result in history. They have presided over an era of mass migration and increasing crime. It will be interesting to watch this play out.
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September 8, 2018 3:34pm
- GoVege
  
  Go Swedes….kick those Neanderthal ingrates out…before the next generation born there REALLY destroy your country.
  
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  September 8, 2018 5:22pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “Should the Swedish Democrats find a way to enter government, it would be the latest — although perhaps the most surprising country — to be hit by the populist wave sweeping through Europe.”
  
  I detest this ‘populist’ label. All western democratic elections results in the popular candidates being elected. If those candidates propose ways to stop citizens being raped and stabbed in what was once a benign society, then more power to them.
  
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  September 8, 2018 8:08pm
DigNap15

Lets hope this bill gets passed

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12121066

Less thugs on the street and locked up for a long time!
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September 8, 2018 4:00pm
- Longknives
  
  Great bill but sadly NO CHANCE mate!
  
  Labour and the Greens would probably give the offender a compensation payout (‘Waah the effects of Colonialism!’) before they passed this..
  
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  September 8, 2018 4:57pm
nasska

An Auckland yuppie moved to the country and bought a lifestyle block. He went to the local feed and livestock store and talked to the bloke behind the counter about how he was going to take up chicken farming. He then asked to buy 1000 chicks.

“That’s a lot of chicks,” commented the assistant.

“I mean business,” the city slicker replied.

A week later the yuppie was back again.

“I need another 1000 chicks,” he said.

“Boy, you sure are serious about this chicken
farming,”

“Yeah,” the yuppie replied. “If I can iron out a few
problems.”

“Problems?” asked the assistant.

“Yeah,” replied our hero, “I think I planted that last batch too close together.”
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September 8, 2018 6:18pm
krazykiwi

Crime in multi-story car parks.
It’s wrong, on so many different levels.

(It’s Saturday night, and the Bruichladdich Octomore has been deployed)
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September 8, 2018 6:45pm
- nasska
  
  Bruichladdich Octomore…..that sent this poor, teetotal, retired cockie to Google:
  
  “Golden syrup, smoke and red berry fruits to begin. The gentle smoke weaves through poached pear and apple pie from the distillation with the ripe fruits”
  
  A snip at $309 NZ for a 700ml bottle.
  
  Wanker! 🙂
  
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  September 8, 2018 7:02pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Ha. I didn’t pay that for it. I have generous friends 😉
    
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    September 8, 2018 7:55pm
Longknives

A bit quiet round here tonight….
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September 8, 2018 7:50pm
Longknives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ
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