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RalphT

4 September? What happened to the 3rd?
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September 3, 2018 8:02am
- Longknives
  
  DPF has a Tardis…
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:03am
  - Longknives
    
    Or a Delorean..
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:03am
    - Longknives
      
      Or maybe a Hot Tub Time Machine?…
      
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      September 3, 2018 8:04am
      - pdm
        
        DPF in a Hot Tub is thought/step too far for this 72 year old white middle class male. lol.
        
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        September 3, 2018 10:44am
    - Harkman
      
      Ha! He just returned from 1955. ?
      
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      September 3, 2018 9:15am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Good year 1955; tremendous personal achievement for me, with some assistance from mother!
        
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        September 3, 2018 9:41am
      - Longknives
        
        I think Elvis broke in 1955 with Heartbreak Hotel and Blue Suede Shoes didn’t he?
        That’s got to be a good year…
        
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        September 3, 2018 10:19am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        You and me both Paulus.
        
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        September 3, 2018 2:10pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Jacinda said we didn’t need it. Move on!
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:03am
  - softail 1450
    
    Nostradamus,,Winston stole it…
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:37am
  - Woz
    
    It’s called “being in Government”, stupid.
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:00am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  The 3rd was the day the CoL finally did something right. AKA the day that never happened…
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:07am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The 3rd is the day that Labour covered everything up – you will never fear about it
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:20am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      *hear, not fear. Geeze, read what you type
      
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      September 3, 2018 5:13pm
cmm

Did Mandela and the ANC actually prolong apartheid?

Having recently gone through some of the timelines and history, I must conclude that yes, Mandela actually chose to keep apartheid going for approximately two years longer than it should have.

“Peak apartheid” was reached somewhere in the early 1970s, depending on region etc. By the late 1970s the erosion of apartheid had begun. The Bantutans (separate “countries” carved off for different tribes) had been formed and were nominally independent. That was a last ditch effort to make apartheid work.

In the early1980s apartheid was getting very porous. Non-whites were living in whites-only ares in many cities. Non-whites were working in many professional positions where you would previously only have seen whites. The deconstruction of apartheid had begun and the problem had changed from preserving apartheid to how to bring about an orderly transition. In 1983 the tri-cameral parliament was created as a stepping stone, giving Coloured and Indian people the vote (but not Blacks).

Meanwhile, Mandela was getting older. Mandela was clearly a symbolic figure and was important to the transition process. His health was in question and it was clear there would be problems if he was to die in prison. In 1982 he was moved off Robben Island to Pollsmoor prison where negotiations were started with him. In 1988 he was moved to a low security prison in the winelands where he had his own house and completed his law degree etc.

For many years he was given the option to disavow violence and be released But no, he wanted to keep violence on the table. He was also given opportunities to “escape” but chose not to take them.

So why keep it all going like a scrum-half keeping the ball in the scrum?

As apartheid was being dismantled, the ANC was cranking up their operations to bring more arms and ammunition into South Africa. There was clearly no military need for these, since the apartheid they were supposedly fighting was already winding down. Operation Vula, the biggest of these, brought in almost as much equipment as the 20 previous years.

Indeed, if they had put down their weapons and gone for peaceful negotiations apartheid would have likely been done and dusted with the first fully democratic elections held in 1990 rather than 1994. However, ANC would not have been in as strong a position since there were other powerful groups too.

IMHO, the purpose for Mandela’s stalling tactics was to give the ANC more time bring in more weapons for their real power struggle – not with the whites, but with other black people. They wanted to be the dominant force before the end of apartheid. Those weapons were very seldom used to fight the government, but were often used to fight other blacks.

There is no other rational reason for poaring weapons into a situation which is on the path to peace.

This had many terrible outcomes, including:
1) The massive violence, necklacing, etc that killed tens of thousands of black people.
2) An extension of apartheid by a few years.
3) Leaving a terrible legacy which is still haunting South Africa today.
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September 3, 2018 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  ‘In 1988 he was moved to a low security prison in the winelands where he had his own house and completed his law degree etc.’
  
  But ,but ,but the media only ever show his cell at Robben Island , and the high profile visitors on their sacred pilgrimages there such as Obummer .
  
  Can’t show that whitey ever put blackey up in anything other than an evil little cell.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:14am
- Komata
  
  Cmm. Thank you, for at last confirming what has been for me a long-held hypothesis, that things were delayed for the purposes of ‘utu’ (Revenge’) by the ANC against those who would not acknowledge its ‘superiority’. Contrary to what some in the West would like to believe, the Mandala legacy has not been all sweetness and light!
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:24am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  cmm, appears like a playbook straight out of a White Afrikaan PR playbook.
  
  I query e.g “massive “violence “tens of thousands? ” Citation, please?
  
  It would take some considerable time to dismantle the machinery of Apartheid as it did denazification of Germany and the machinery of Communism post-1991 Russia.
  
  The so-called “terrible legacy”did not lead to the genocidal bloodbath prophesied by the apologist of apartheid-like you.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:28am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy,nobody’s going to do research for you,do it yourself you lazy prick. have you lost your keyboard pointer?
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:41am
  - pentwig
    
    good grief stupidthing
    you are such a loser
    
    sigh, sigh and another, sigh
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    Calling someone an “apologist of apartheid” is fighting talk.
    
    As I have said repeatedly, I in no way think that apartheid was a good thing.
    
    We have been through this before. Perhaps you need your memory tested?
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:47am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      No don’t bother. Wrestling with a pig and all that….
      
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      September 3, 2018 1:33pm
- SGA
  
  Indeed, if they had put down their weapons and gone for peaceful negotiations apartheid would have likely been done and dusted with the first fully democratic elections held in 1990 rather than 1994.
  
  We have no way of knowing that really. Or, it might have taken until 1996 or 2000.
  For those struggling against apartheid at the time, cracks in the system would, I imagine, seem a sign of success for what they were doing – a signal to keep up or increase their efforts rather than they should stop. That would, I think, be the normal response unless you were getting very specific government messages about a major impending change.
  With hindsight, you may be right (I genuinely don’t know), but I’m not sure that it would seem that clear at the time.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:12am
  - cmm
    
    Sure we never fully know how things could have played out and there were certainly many people involved in Operation Vula who thought they were fighting apartheid rather than help establish ANC’s power base.
    
    I would agree with you if the ANC attacks were predominantly directed at the white regime, but the people who were feeling the brunt of the ANC attacks (and the pointy end of the weaponry being brought in by the ANC) were primarily other blacks.
    
    That does not really support the idea that the weapons were being brought in to fight apartheid.
    
    This black-on-black unrest also fanned “swart gevaar” (the fear of blacks by whites) which reduced the willingness of many whites to make concessions. That also delayed negotiations.
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:40am
  - cmm
    
    Just to add one more point to that…
    
    In almost every transition to democracy in Africa there has been a huge black-on-black power war (or in many cases even more than one): Kenya (Mau mau vs the others), Uganda (Idi Amin etc), Congo, Angola (three-way: one Nationalist and two different commie teams), Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Sudan, …
    
    Of course the ANC would have looked at history and wanted to be sufficiently tooled up for the post-apartheid conflict. IMHO: that was the real purpose of Operation Vula – not actually fighting the white regime.
    
    That South Africa did not have the post-transition civil war of the extent that was experienced elsewhere perhaps has some good reasons, but that’s not for today.
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:09pm
- Ross12
  
  You might be interested in this cmm.
  https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/09/02/bank-south-african-farmers-pay-debts-property-seized-state/
  What do the banks expect they can do if the farmers land is confiscated –conduct a mortgagee sale ?
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:08am
  - cmm
    
    It won’t be any different to other commie nationalisation efforts, except that modern agriculture is far more dependent on banks than it was in the old days.
    
    While banks can’t really fix what is damaged, they can tighten up their lending to prevent losing even more.
    
    Even if land appropriation does not go ahead, the uncertainty is going to kill investment. Who would buy a farm? Invest in a new central pivot/machinery? What bank would lend anyway?
    
    Maintenance will slide. Productivity will go down. People will starve.
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:15pm
    - Komata
      
      Cmm, and guess who will be to blame for the starvation? Clue: their ancestors came from Europe… In their quest for short term gain, their own self-interest and to keep their own wolves from turning against them, I don’t think that those now in power in Pret’ have really thought this one through and also don’t really understand who they are up against. It could become somewhat messy and no prizes for guessing whom the media will be barracking for…
      
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      September 3, 2018 1:54pm
- realityczech
  
  Mandela should have hung for his crimes. Not too late for Obama to hang for his.
  
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  September 3, 2018 5:46pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Agree, but one must also consider the larger Geopolitical landscape. The ANC were communist aligned. SA had Nukes. The Cape Shipping route for oil was still considered strategically vital to western interests. The USA relied on South African satellite tracking stations. Although officially denied, there was co-operation between NATO and the South African government. And then the Cold War sort of ended… and a staunchly prowest regime was not as vital anylonger to western interests. As for the Nukes, 6 were sent to the USA, and 3 were sent to England. Those three “Got Lost” and probably landed up in Pakistan or North Korea. (Google “Khan and the South African nuclear connection”..)
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:13pm
gorse

I had millions of litres of water fall on my place last night, and it’s still falling. Right in the middle of lambing. I would willingly give it all the the Chinese.
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September 3, 2018 8:04am
- cmm
  
  So long as they pay Cindy the 63 cents in tax to make it all fair.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:07am
- Komata
  
  Gorse: But, but, that would make you a ‘Philanthropist’ which means that you must have money because you have a surplus to give away, which would therefore make you a ‘Capitalist’ and therefore a ‘Class Enemy’ in Cindy’s brave new world. No doubt she will send along her ‘friends’ to have a conversation with you about your laxness and non-conformity. She will have order…
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:30am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Prefer you gave it to our Australian neighbours, maybe they could drown some of those returning ferels before putting it on their parched farmlands
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:31am
- VicParking
  
  Why dont you bottle it…… sorry the man with two mothers would prefer you let it run into the sea and be used to save the whales.
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:01am
- Flash
  
  I feel for you. Cold wet lambs are no fun.
  There was 3 inches of water in the feed bucket that I left out over night.
  What I need is an elevated mesh ‘carpet’ that would let the water drain down, and the grass grow up. I’ve only got 5acres . . . . .
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:52am
Southern Raider

We are all saved

Twyford has completed his first KiwiBuild home and there will be another dozen by Christmas

Homelessness and child poverty is solved
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September 3, 2018 8:04am
- Nostradamus
  
  Southern Raider:
  
  Does that mean car sales will drop as the homeless now have garages to sleep in?
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Nope, these places will be needed to accomodate more Muslim “refugees”.
    
    If we have a housing crisis why are we importing more demand?
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:16am
- KiWombat
  
  Anybody got any idea where it is?
  
  Has he sold it?
  
  This is a good news story – there should be a party and MSM from wall to wall – after all a single home constructed by a single individual should be lauded as a massive accomplishment in 11 months !
  
  Yeh – right !
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:09am
  - calendar girl
    
    Liberation Drive, Papakura, on former Defence Dept. land. In the group of “houses to be built” (i.e. bought “off the plans” from a private developer) that Twyford stood outside last April to announce the start of his KiwiBuild programme: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103458716/first-18-kiwibuild-houses-under-construction-in-south-auckland?rm=m
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:45am
    - secondcumming
      
      I wonder if the CCC’s have been issued yet?
      Not from what I’m hearing……..
      
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      September 3, 2018 10:31am
- Paulus
  
  Understand that this Builder was getting plans etc through Council underway before the COLL was formed.
  He latched on to a good sales pitch.
  Good luck to him.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:11am
  - sooty
    
    The builder found a willing idiot to buy them as well. Though there is some thought as wether they are legal. The roof is ment to be 1m from boundry. Maybe twitfords houses do not need a building permit, seen as they are a goverment build?
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:32am
    - 7kiwi11
      
      Fake news. An eave can be 760mm away from a boundary and not be fire rated. If a fire rated eave – which is easy to achieve – then it can be 0mm.
      
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      September 3, 2018 11:03am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s a long way from central Auckland. It’s not that cheap. You can stand inside it and touch the house next door. It’s small. And you have to win a lottery in order to get it.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:14am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    And it’s in a subdivision, McLennan, that was started by National. So they aren’t even really Phil’s houses.
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:18am
    - RRM
      
      a subdivision, McLennan, that was started by National.
      
      A subdivision that was started BY National???
      
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      September 3, 2018 8:25am
      - Komata
        
        KS: Shhhhhhhh. You’re not supposed to have noticed.
        
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        September 3, 2018 8:32am
      - sooty
        
        There goes the neigbhourhood!
        
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        September 3, 2018 8:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Go to the auckland chip wrapper and look at the vista of next doors brick walls as seen from two of the three bedrooms.
    
    No amount of flashy dressing in the room can make next doors wall look, and be, anything but a brick wall.
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:36am
  - GoVege
    
    I had an attack of claustrophobia just looking at those houses on tv last night.
    Do they have any land??
    
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    September 3, 2018 5:49pm
- flipper
  
  Selling for about $640,000 from memory. Most banks are required by the LVRs to look for 20% equity by any purchaser. That means approx. $128000 to get a loan of about $512,000 …… may be interest only for max of 4 years at about 4.99% …. and then a wait for inflation to increase the value and lift then off the floor. But the loan will still be a massive anchor even for a two income family. Of course there will be various ways of putting the deposit together. But inevitably the anchor will remain. And whart if the dire economic predictions made by Peters and Ardern turn out to be true? What will the floating or fixed term interest rates be ??? Now that is “top of my head stuff,” not even an envelope. But it seems symptomatic of the absurd Auckland house market and the media Ardern-Twyford hyped “solution”. Oh dear..
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:31am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    How will New Zealanders pay off a $640,000 house AND find the time to raise the 2.1 children that the nation requires to avoid a demographic implosion?
    
    (And let’s ignore what would happen if mortgage interest rates increased by 50% from 4.99% to 7.48%. Could such a thing ever be allowed to happen?)
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:54am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      For each 1% rise in interest rates
      The repayments rise by at least 10%
      5.79% (ANZ calculator) current……$3001 per month
      6.79% (ANZ Calculator)………………$3334 per month
      on $512000 with 20% deposit on $640000.
      Bet their wages won’t rise 10%, or perhaps they are only intended for teachers and nurses.
      
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      September 3, 2018 1:07pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        That’s true. A one percentage point rise in interest rates from 5.79% to 6.79% is equivalent to a 17.3% increase (6.79 / 5.79 = 1.173).
        
        If interest rates grow from 2% to 4%, then that is a doubling of rates.
        
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        September 3, 2018 5:17pm
  - Liberty
    
    The really exciting thing about buying this house
    Every three years your house will be on the Telly.
    With TV1/Labour election propaganda about the
    house Typhoid claimed to have built.
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:40am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    On the loan of $512000.
    Thats $3000 per month repayments over 30years
    Currently. ie $36000 per year.
    Getting on for the average, in the hand wage for one person.
    Don’t start a family, you can’t afford the time off.
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:58pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      You’ll end up paying over a million.
      
      $3k x 12 x 30 years = $1,080,000.
      
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      September 3, 2018 5:19pm
- Chris R
  
  Southern: You have it in one! You can now expect the CoL to ask us to believe this. “Loaves and Fishes” Labour Party style?
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:31am
- radvad
  
  And the builder is still not sure if he will break even on the deal. I suspect that is a nice way of saying he will make a loss.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:40am
  - softail 1450
    
    radvad, can’t happen,its govt guaranteed,wish my business was like that ….
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Any loss will be subsidised by the Taxpayer remember.
    
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    September 3, 2018 2:05pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Can anyone explain what is different here from the normal market?
  
  The subdivision existed, the builder was already building the houses and they don’t seem like a special purchase price
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:57am
  - Piniwi
    
    Plus Southern Raider the mix includes several 4 bedroom houses? Somebody will have noted the details but it would seem to just be a speedy bit of PR to counter all he problems the COL have and especially Labour.
    
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    September 4, 2018 1:25am
- VicParking
  
  Do all these houses come fully furnished including linen etc.
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:33am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Apparently not, one of the bedrooms is ‘dressed’ in a jungle theme. A ‘show’ home, and yes I noticed the brick wall, close by, also.
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:04pm
- JIV
  
  Only a small article on page 9 of the Dominion. Surely this was supposed to be a front page celebration for Twyford.
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:45am
- Piniwi
  
  Well Southern Raider not according to the old drunk as he has decide to champion for some 50,000 odd desperate people who need urgent help before any more refugees. Where you ask and thank you for that great question. Why up north bro where the bros are bro. His poll numbers must be crashing again.
  
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  September 4, 2018 1:17am
Inandout

Simon would have brought the sick lady back home, he said in his convoluted pronunciation, IF he had been in government. He also said he would have had a quiet word with his staff rather then assault them like the Labour Minister. What does Simon eat for breakfast?
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September 3, 2018 8:05am
- srylands
  
  So embarrassing.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:20am
- Chris R
  
  I have sympathy for the woman and her family. I think the better solution is for the government to loan the costs needed to her family rather than either making a gift to them of the costs or declining any assistance. The family could readily begin repayment of the costs on their successful return to NZ.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:35am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Simon was on TV3 this morning. He had 4 NZ’ers contact him who have paid to underwrite the medical evacuation of the sick woman in Bali. Simon contacted the authorities and all has been organised for her return to NZ. Done and dusted.
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:39am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Well played Mr Bridges. Yes, we can all say that Ms Hartley should have had more comprehensive travel insurance, but how many of us actually read the fine print of the policies we buy online.
      
      Issues of insurance apart, Bridges has facilitated the woman’s return to New Zealand thanks to some anonymous benefactors. It was a hoot to read the Newshub Twitter feed earlier this morning at all the bitter, twisted lefties lambasting him for politicising this woman’s plight.
      
      What tosh! Politicising the situation would have been putting on his concern face, saying the right things, but doing nothing. Instead Bridges has been the conduit between willing donors and a distressed family, and all we can hope now is that Ms Hartley makes a full recovery in a New Zealand hospital.
      
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      September 3, 2018 12:40pm
      - waldonz
        
        KS – good post. I had a good laugh to myself when you mentioned the the bitter, twisted lefties jumping on Newshub’s twitter feed having a go at Simon Bridges for politicising this family’s unfortunate situation.
        
        What about Jacinda Ardern politicising her child at every chance she gets? Cue crickets and cue tumbleweeds blowing down the street.
        
        Cue Simon & Garfunkel’s ‘The Sound of Silence’
        
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        September 3, 2018 2:24pm
    - Piniwi
      
      But waikatogirl it seems there is a Give a Little fund that has reached $200,000 but will take too long to access quickly. What a way to kick off what is already looking like the worst yet for the silly little girl.
      
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      September 4, 2018 1:31am
- peterwn
  
  She had travel insurance, but the insurer declined to pay out. I am extremely concerned with the way the product is sold. Flight Centre agent for example will ask you a series of health questions from her screen and enter the answers. You could accidentally give wrong or incomplete answers and hence end up with a useless policy. They get away with it since the insurance industry successfully resisted being covered by usual consumer law provisions.
  I wonder what the full circumstances surrounding this woman’s travel insurance were.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:46am
  - Paulus
    
    If you buy insurance then you should read the policy first and if unsure with any clause contact the Insurer with your query.
    We do not know the pre exisitng circumstances in this case, so we cannot form any judgement.
    But if you are Uninsured in Christchurch don’t worry we the Taxpayers will bail you out cos we are lovely, so you don’t actually need to pay out your money to buy insurance.
    
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    September 3, 2018 2:11pm
Chuck Bird

Goat porn

The is for any goat shaggers lurking on Kiwiblog

https://youtu.be/1vm0M0qyFYA
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September 3, 2018 8:05am
- pentwig
  
  Don’t look stephiething!!!
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:27am
  - skyblue
    
    He will. Just locating the KY.
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s never too late to change your life.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-45367841/i-had-gender-reassignment-surgery-at-81
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September 3, 2018 8:06am
- cmm
  
  To think they once ran an empire!
  
  What the hell happened to the poms in the last 70 years?
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:09am
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    cmm, no question of the map of the world returning to 25% red and hope and glory BS
    
    BTW take heart therte is hope for you!
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:32am
    - softail 1450
      
      Septicboy “therte” WTF? is your braillewriter in need of reprogramming?
      
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      September 3, 2018 8:56am
  - Komata
    
    Cmm: Socialism and the British Labour Party.
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:34am
    - kowtow
      
      While youngsters with real problems can’t get a wheelchair , oldies can get their cocks chopped off. Crazy “priorities”. That’s what’s wrong with the UK.
      
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/02/thousands-children-forced-wait-months-wheelchairs/
      
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      September 3, 2018 9:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  Is that the twat who was in the armed forces their entire career, has a family. Then at 79 decided to become female, and wanted the NHS to pay for it?
  
  This case was was about 2012 to 2013.
  
  The NHS were prepared to do This, but couples over 39 are made to go private for IVF. Question which medical intervention is more about helping people to fulfill their natural lives?
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:26am
- softail 1450
  
  M W, At 81 the surgeon would have to refer to his notes to see which way he was changing it to, things could be hanging down that far it could be confusing.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:54am
Dave Stringer

Does anyone think Fil Tryford has a batch of people, trained and experienced in the housing and building consent processes waiting for his new Auckland HUD ministry to open its doors? If you do, I have a large bus available to take you back to reality land.
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September 3, 2018 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  No more so than he has no experienced people to build and run a tram network in Auckland. What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:28am
  - BlueGriffon
    
    Oh but the Canadian Pension Fund want to build it https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118206
    
    Are these the same people who bought the Yellow Pages…..what happened with that investment hahahahaha!!
    
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    September 3, 2018 8:33am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I actually think it might be valuable for central government to have to follow the rules and jump through the hoops they have allowed councils to impose on other people.
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:28am
- Tricati
  
  Phil Twford is like the Wiamak River – Small at the head but wide at the mouth
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:48am
  - skyblue
    
    Just the way Clarke likes it with Jacinda.
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:03am
    - Longknives
      
      Boom Tish!…
      
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      September 3, 2018 10:24am
Jade Warrior

It’s scary to think that we share this world with people like Joel Maxwell. Just when you think he has hit rock bottom he finds a way of digging even deeper. His latest effort illustrates he may know a bit about Māori but nothing at all about the business community or the challenges faced by small businesses. Read and be appalled:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/106726583/joel-maxwell-the-business-world-doesnt-really-know-any-better-than-the-rest-of-us
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September 3, 2018 8:09am
- igm
  
  This Maxwell POS is dangerous, but the type that fits the Fairfax Filth agenda. Sooner “Big Rupe” gets his hands on this company the better . . . he detests and does not employ the scum that have infested these publications.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  The idiot Maxwell is seeking a position with the Labour Party hence the weekly hogwash against anything capitalism. He knows the MSM is dying.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:16am
- DigNap15
  
  In the words of Sir Humphrey
  I’m appalled
  
  I am even more appalled at Stuff for their continued pro Maori crusade.
  Maori Language
  Maori biased justice system
  Maori treaty injustices.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:18am
- Woz
  
  I don’t know why I read Maxwell’s ghastly columns – some kind of morbid fascination I guess. He’s such a bigoted, vile individual. Full of hate and bile. Of course Stuff keeps on publishing his rants because they generate clicks from duffers like me, and thus contribute to their online advertising take.
  
  For the same reason I must make an effort to stop reading Verity Johnson’s little juvenile comedy pieces.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:08am
- Nermal
  
  When I saw that almost every comment was against his message I wondered why they keep publishing his garbage. Then it came to me
  
  Clickbait
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:18pm
secondcumming

Ex-pat kiwi *Eric Watson* and his partner look to be having a good time holidaying in the Costa Del Sol…….despite losing a long running court case in the UK to businessman Sir Owen Glen – and currently fighting a legal battle here in this country with the IRD.

My missus used to knock around with Eric’s ex-wife Nicky in the good ol’ days, and was just saying “….by the look of Eric in this instagram pic, things appear to be taking their toll” 🙁

https://spy.nzherald.co.nz/media/80013/300818splwatson.jpg
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September 3, 2018 8:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s that fashionable half-starved vegan look.
  
  Nothing a good feed of greasy mutton and spuds couldn’t fix.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:21am
- softail 1450
  
  S C, His grandaughter looks hot though…
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:02am
  - secondcumming
    
    😎
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmFq-VoW4AEU53_.jpg
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:37am
- hullkiwi
  
  Costa del Sol. He must be doing it tough, if they can only afford to go there for a holiday. They are doing it tough.
  
  Going to the Costa del Sol, is akin to going on holiday with the Warriors fan base the most naff beach resort you can think of, instead of holidaying with the money jetsetter at the exclusive lodges at Huka Falls or in the Bay of Islands.
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:46am
DigNap15

Maori Vocab Lesson – Monday

I looked up Appalled in my Maori dictionary and it was not there.
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September 3, 2018 8:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  whakaihi
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:24am
  - DigNap15
    
    Which dictionary are you using?
    I could not find it.
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      H.M. Ngata’s English_Maori Dictionary
      
      It’s been t pretty good on some of the words you have been posting..
      
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      September 3, 2018 9:35am
      - rangitoto
        
        Did Maori have such a concept as a week? They appear to have observed a lunar calendar of some sort but did they divide that up into groups of days.
        
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        September 3, 2018 10:03am
      - SGA
        
        Did Maori have such a concept as a week?
        
        I’d guess not. Didn’t have to bother going to church on Sundays until the missionaires turned up 🙂 🙂 🙂
        
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        September 3, 2018 11:47am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Did Maori have such a concept as a week?
        
        Appears not.
        http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BesTime-t1-body-d1-d11.html
        
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        September 3, 2018 4:12pm
    - SGA
      
      DigNap15
      
      Which dictionary are you using?
      I could not find it.
      
      From Maggy’s ease of finding words that you can’t, perhaps you haven’t a very good dictionary?
      There are also online dictionaries if you are interested.
      http://maoridictionary.co.nz/
      
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      September 3, 2018 2:22pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Even a good dictionary won’t help a moron.
        
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        September 3, 2018 2:30pm
  - VicParking
    
    Kua tohua
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:04am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  twõdaysbefõrepāyday
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:43am
- skyblue
  
  I bet foreplay is absent from the savage dictionary also.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:06am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And a few men’s. 😉 Anyway sisters are doing it for themselves and each other by most accounts lol.
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:15pm
    - SGA
      
      lol – I’m told many think it’s a golfing term.
      
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      September 3, 2018 3:05pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Hope there’s no putting then.
        
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        September 3, 2018 5:05pm
  - Nermal
    
    “Hey, woman, you awake?”
    
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    September 3, 2018 4:21pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      As if that matters. Or so I have been told. 😉
      
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      September 3, 2018 5:04pm
EAD_TWO

3rd top story on the Hooorald website?

“My husband’s a paedophile – but I still love him”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12118197

Sick sick sick.

Mark my words – the normalisation of Paedophilia is the next item on the great nation-wrecking agenda. Just read the Hearlds “softly softly” sympathetic article and it is following the exact same incremental methodology used so successfully by the homosexual lobby…..

They started by appealing just for homosexual acts that were voluntary, in private and between consenting adults to be decriminalised – I mean who could object to that? Look at the Heralds tone on paedos:

” Some seem to consider themselves perpetrators of ‘victimless’ crimes”

After that came the homos demanded an end to ban employment discrimination based on sexual-orientation, followed by protection for homos under the hate law rubric which called for heavier sentences should an offence be motivated by the victim’s sexual orientation. And so on to the legalising of gay “marriage” and allowing sodomites to “adopt” innocent children.

This is how those sons of Satan will push the final taboo….

‘Scientific papers’ and domain ‘experts’ will tentatively emerge suggesting paedophilia might be ‘more complex’ than had heretofore been believed.

We’ll learn of ‘research’ indicating that some amorous adult/child relationships can be ‘nurturing’ for both parties. Appeals for ‘understanding’ will follow, reinforced with a new lexicon of euphemisms such as inter-generational love and minor-attracted persons etc. New (and mysteriously well-funded) organisations such as Parents And Friends of Minor-Attracted Persons will emerge.

They’ll reassure us that their friend or son is perfectly normal in all other ways, wouldn’t hurt a fly but is leading a lonely and marginalised life because of, yes, paedophobia. Society hates him just because he wants to express his love in his own way. You’ll hear the word ‘love’ deployed endlessly, just as it was with the homos.

Openness to discussing paedophilia will be promoted as sophisticated, progressive. And tolerant. Love should never be illegal, especially for the lonely isolated and vulnerable…..those seeking a loving partnership.

You heard it here first.
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- stephieboy
  
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  EAD TWO , unfortunately, this Alt righter and Trump fan can be said to set the ball rolling,
  
  “Milo Yiannopoulos: Video of right-wing journalist ‘defending paedophilia’ surfaces online
  Brietbart senior editor will be a keynote speaker at the American Conservative Union conference
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/milo-yiannopoulos-latest-news-paedophilia-breitbart-video-child-abuse-right-wing-sexual-relationship-a7589656.html
  
  Time to renounce him and his sexual preferences!
  
  Aye ?
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:40am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, you’ve forgotten your barnyard appointment again havnt you septicboy?you Trump hating obsessive perv……
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:06am
  - Inandout
    
    I don’t envisage that Milo thinks like a Muslim looking for a wife, but hell he can have all his speeches dissected word for word; much like Trump’s are.
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:06am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Well Milo was sexually abused when he was younger.
    But what’s your excuse Stephie?
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:16am
    - Harkman
      
      Glue sniffer
      
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      September 3, 2018 9:27am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed, I detect some structural faults in your Brian architecture.
      
      Consult urgently e.g,
      
      http://designport.co.nz
      
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      September 3, 2018 11:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Brian’
        You’re so dumb you’re the gift which keeps on giving.
        Sooo funny.
        
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        September 3, 2018 11:46am
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy, for the life of “Brian” ha,ha,ha,…
        
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        September 3, 2018 4:04pm
- Longknives
  
  I agree EAD.
  
  Things are going pretty weird when ‘Little Miss’ Beauty Pageants are vilified as the root of all evil but a male child can be cross-dressed and sexualised (make up etc) by his activist parents and that is somehow ‘Fabulous’!
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:30am
- Scott
  
  I find myself in agreement with EAD on this issue. I do think that the normalisation of paedophilia is the next goal of the left along with the normalisation of, believe it or not, beastiality.
  
  The trouble is once you dispense with the Christian morals that underpinned our Western civilisation you are left with very little moral guidance as to what is right or wrong? So if homosexuality is now okay, what else is now okay?
  
  But I am hoping that the pendulum will swing again and we will get back to common sense understanding of the importance of normal marriage, importance of restraint, the importance of sound morals regarding sensitive matters like sexuality.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:47am
  - Flash
    
    What’s next?
    Islam.
    Wait for it –
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:03am
  - SGA
    
    Scott
    
    The trouble is once you dispense with the Christian morals that underpinned our Western civilisation you are left with very little moral guidance as to what is right or wrong?
    
    Because, of course, we never see Christians in trouble for such sexual activities… cough, cough.
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:50am
- KevOB
  
  Paedophilia recruitment for homosexuals at puberty.
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:44am
holysheet

A young accountant, straight out of uni, applies for a job advertised in the Herald. He is interviewed by the owner of a small business who has built it up from scratch. “I need someone with an accounting degree,” says the man, “but mainly I’m looking for someone to do my worrying for me.” “How do you mean?” says the accountant. “I have lots of things to worry about, but I want someone else to worry about money matters.” “OK,” says the accountant. “How much are you offering?” “You can start on seventy-five thousand,” says the owner. “Seventy-five thousand dollars. How can a business like this afford to pay so much?” “That,” says the man, “is your first worry.”

Business 101 from Cindy
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September 3, 2018 8:26am
Huevon

A conversation between two women, sometime in the past 24 hours, somewhere in Aotearoa New Zealand…

“I gotta job at [ ], full time eh”
“Aw yeah…what’s that gonna do to your benefit?”
“Aw yeah…”

We are so fucked.
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September 3, 2018 8:34am
- sooty
  
  She’ll be right. I just won’t tell them. They will never find out.!
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:41am
- DigNap15
  
  You must have heard that last year.
  Under Labour you don’t need to get a job.
  Just get pregnant and Jacinda and Carmela will give you free money for life!
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:12am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Runs out when you are too old to breed unless you whangai or bring up grandchildren.
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:20pm
EAD_TWO

Just for a change?, the lead story on World News is “Labour Party UK = Anti semitism”

“Former chief rabbi warns of ‘existential threat’ to UK Jews” (hyperbole or what?)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12118142

I absolutely detest Labour whatever country you find them but this tiny group (270,000) of poor, powerless, persecuted people, are virtually ORDERING Corbyn to accept their new definition of “ANTI-SEMITISM”, and the foot-stamping is becoming increasingly tantrum-like.

Note also that Corbyn is not being given the right to reply and speak for himself.

“To find out who rules over you …”
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September 3, 2018 8:37am
- EAD_TWO
  
  The good thing about this while farce is that it must be red-pilling A LOT of English people:
  
  Wall to wall global coverage + faux outrage about the definition of a word dreamed up a multi-billion dollar lobbyists vs. the complete indifference of the MSM to the industrial scale sexual abuse of their daughters at the hands of the Islamic Invaders.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:45am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO, so Milo and other (((( White ))))pedos don’t engage in similar?
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:24am
  - realityczech
    
    “industrial scale sexual abuse of their daughters ”
    
    Just girls Eddy?
    Well at least they have some limits… unlike this lot:
    
    The Child-Rape Assembly Line
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:27pm
secondcumming

People who can fuck-off today…
Politicians
Cyclists

More as it happens…..
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September 3, 2018 8:40am
- DigNap15
  
  Canvas Bag users
  P cooks
  Maori language zealots
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:10am
  - sooty
    
    When’s the JAG riding her bike home from giving birth?
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:18am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Miraculously, the bike got home before mother and baby. Now how did that happen? Car and bike rack perhaps?
      
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      September 3, 2018 9:50am
      - VicParking
        
        What flavour was the baby.
        
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        September 3, 2018 10:09am
      - Komata
        
        HK: Some pushbikes are special, especially those owned by Green Party of NZ female MP’s. These special vehicles are very mysterious things that can find their way home along crowded streets in busy cities without any assistance from their absent owners, and will even have put themselves back on whatever racks they might inhabit before their owner arrives back home. They are also evidently possessed of magical self-healing prperties, as these wonderous vehicles NEVER show signs of use but appear, all pristine, as if by magic, whenever their owner notices a camera or TV crew going past. They are truly wonderous, although inexplicably, they do seem to favour the company of a very select group and will never, ever, undertake such amazing feats for the benefit of mere mortals such as you and me. Perhaps the Greens are indeed more special than we know. (I thought you should know).
        
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        September 3, 2018 10:46am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Never.
      
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      September 3, 2018 9:50am
    - Longknives
      
      Oh Dear! Turns out the Bicycle was invented by one of JAG’s hated ‘ Old White Men’-
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Drais
      
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      September 3, 2018 10:45am
      - Komata
        
        LK : Not only that, but it is also made from steel and rubber, products which were, last I heard, produced from mined materials and obtained from doing severe damage to trees respectively. Evidently a photo op trumps political principles in such situations…
        
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        September 3, 2018 10:51am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Spelling nazis :). I say that as one. 🙂
    
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    September 3, 2018 5:08pm
oldgolfer

If I heard Pike River Recovery boss Dave Gawn right this morning, the massive effort to get back into the mine is only into the drift, the long incline up to the mine proper. This, apparently, is to recover ant forensic evidence.
Gawn says is it ”more likely” bodies are beyond a rockfall further up the drift. Getting into that area – the area where the bodies are likely to be – has not really been planned, at least at this stage.
The public perception, I think, is that this is a body recovery exercise.
It appears not, unless I misheard.
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September 3, 2018 8:45am
- Poppa
  
  I don’t believe it was ever a recovery process. It is politics pure & simple
  
  Friend Bernie Monk has agitated it along with 5 or 6 families & it became an anti National beat up.
  
  There will be no remains found & nor will there be any evidence with which to beat National with
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:56am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    But there will be $25,000,000.00, and mounting, wasted.
    
    No probs, tell the teachers to bugger off, we can afford this. ‘This mine is on me”
    
    FFS
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:52am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      It would surely cost less than that to rip the top off and make it an opencast, Then of course one would be accused of desecrating a grave.
      
      I think that it should be considered their grave and for them to be left in peace.
      
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      September 3, 2018 5:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re Rachael’s:” …It would surely cost less than that to rip the top off.”
        
        The mine is under a mountain.
        
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        September 3, 2018 8:34pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Poppa but it is going to be not one but several “teams” who take turns at entering the drift. It reads like most Labour plans with too many doing too little to end up with nothing than some more “feelz”.
    
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    September 4, 2018 1:47am
- Komata
  
  OG: Cue Bernie Monk for his authoritative and expert comment on the matter, since after all he kniws EVERYTHING there is to know about what went on etc. etc.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:56am
- hullkiwi
  
  No you didn’t mishear.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:57am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Gawn says is it ‘more likely’ carbonized ashes are beyond a rockfall further up the drift.”
  
  There, fixed it for him…
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Adjacent to the taped over sensor under the lighter and half packet of Rothmans . . . .
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:54am
- Gravelroad
  
  The way I read an article about it last week was that there is little (no) intention to recover human remains.
  They are spinning the huge expenditure which will be way past the $23m, as an exercise in mine disaster management from which they will learn lots of helpful technical engineering stuff for future reference.
  Sorry, can’t add link but Mr Gawn quoted.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:09am
  - VicParking
    
    Its going to be worth it to see Little and Winston decked out in hard hats and fluro vests enter the mine. Shut the door seal the drift and drop a match down the shaft they drilled from the top.
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:14am
Hugh Pavletich

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AUCKLAND … GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT RAISING NEW HOUSING PRODUCTION …

Comprehensive post at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-3-september-2018/#comment-3178222 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-3-september-2018/#comment-3178223

… Auckland … getting serious about substantially lifting new housing production …

… Australian production house builders needed ! …

(Auckland Mayor) Phil Goff cautiously welcomes authority set up to fast-track housing projects | RNZ News

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/365412/phil-goff-cautiously-welcomes-authority-set-up-to-fast-track-housing-projects

The Mayor of Auckland has cautiously welcomed government plans to set up an Urban Development Authority in the city to fast-track housing projects. …

… The Urban Development Authority is likely to have control over up to 15 housing developments.

It will become the planning and consenting authority, replacing the Auckland Council.

Urban Development and Housing Minister Phil Twyford said the current set-up was not working.

Auckland is 45,000 houses short, he said.

“We need to build houses and more than that we need to build whole new communities,” he said. …

… Local Government New Zealand supports the concept of urban development authorities because it recognises there are regulatory barriers outside the control of councils. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Urban Development Authority a long overdue initiative … Auckland Business Chamber of Commerce | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1808/S00741/urban-development-authority-a-long-overdue-initiative.htm

Setting up an Urban Development Authority with powers to get houses built faster in Auckland “is a long overdue initiative,” says Auckland Business Chamber head Michael Barnett. …

… concluding …

… With Government needing legislation to establish the UDA, Barnett said this should be put through Parliament under urgency to ensure the Authority is up and running by the end of the year. “Time is ticking.” … read more via hyperlink above
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How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
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September 3, 2018 8:46am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NEW ZEALAND: Mike Hosking (Popular Conservative Commentator): Housing Minister Phil Twyford right to bulldoze his way through councils – NZ Herald
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-3-september-2018/#comment-3178671
  
  Mike Hosking (Popular Conservative Commentator): Housing Minister Phil Twyford right to bulldoze his way through councils – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118208
  
  COMMENT:
  
  Given the way the week ended for the Labour Party perhaps we can begin this one with some good news.
  
  The Unitary Plan for Auckland is being overridden, at least in part, and that is a move to be acknowledged.
  
  It should have been done several years ago. …
  
  … National should have owned it, they threatened Auckland but they lacked the gonads to act.
  
  Twyford to his credit clearly doesn’t hold the same fear.
  
  And in that is another twist, the reason he’s so gung ho is his 100,000 house promise is a myth, but he’s not going to die wondering so he’s need every bit of land he can get his hands on. … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above …
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  … NOTE HOW GUTLESS THE NATIONAL LED GOVERNMENT WAS IN 2016 …
  
  Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
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  … WHAT THE POLLS ARE TELLING THE POLITICANS … AND HAVE BEEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME …
  
  UPDATE – New (IPSOS) survey reveals housing, poverty and healthcare most concern New Zealanders – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12047092
  
  A recent survey on key issues concerning New Zealanders has shown that housing accessibility and affordability are at the forefront of people’s minds.
  
  The first of the quarterly New Zealand Issues Monitor reports, run by global market research company Ipsos, interviewed 610 respondents over the age of 16.
  
  It sought to track what New Zealanders were concerned about, who is worried about what and which political parties are seen to be best able to improve matters. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  … further information …
  June Update; Ardern / Twyford and Gone Gone Going sections …
  Performance Urban Planning
  http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
  
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  September 3, 2018 3:58pm
  - Nermal
    
    I see what you did there Hugh. A morning post for the early birds, and when that’s hidden due to low comment rating you post another rant for the afternoon crowd
    
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    September 3, 2018 4:28pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Mike’s Minute: Good on Twyford for getting councils out of the way
      
      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/mikes-minute-good-on-phil-twyford-for-getting-councils-out-of-the-way/
      
      Given the way the week ended for the Labour Party perhaps we can begin this one with some good news. … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above …
      
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      September 3, 2018 5:45pm
s.russell

The Herald is running a story from Australia in which it is alleged that Morrison plotted the coup himself, manipulating (and later shafting) both sides to enable him to ride to the rescue as the compromise candidate. I take the story with a grain of salt, it may or may not be true: but it is always entertaining to read about Aussie politicians behaving badly!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12118104
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September 3, 2018 8:56am
sooty

When is Commie Chick going to demote David Clarke for corruption. Another one to the list.
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September 3, 2018 9:15am
Odakyu-sen

A ban on plastic bags from NZ supermarkets?

My, my! What an authoritarian government we have. Next they’ll be forcing the use of more restrictive shower heads.

(And it’s all for your own good, you know…)
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September 3, 2018 9:18am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and some twit from Countdown said that the single use plastic bags are obsolete!
  
  They don’t know English. Obsolete means old fashioned and out of date and replaced by something more modern.
  
  Its is the paper and canvas bags that are obsolete.
  Single use plastic bags are going to be banned by the COL.
  
  But I bought a whole lot from Tradme. They are called T-Shirt bags
  And I’ll be taking them into my supermarket.
  Or a wheel barrow
  Or some plastic boxes
  I’m going to piss them off as much as I can!
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:26am
  - lifesgood
    
    It never had anything to do with being environmentally aware. The super market found a cunning way to save themselves shit loads of money and dressed it up in virtue signalling for the gullible. I grab as many as I can every time I visit and am stock piling them. I have hundreds now. DigNap, I like your idea of taking them to the supermarket. I’ll do that too.
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:43am
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes so you piss off the people that have jobs to do. And being fuckwit like you are they are the ones that have no input in the decision-making. There are good people working in these jobs because they don’t want to be unemployed and you want to harass them for the Goverment and employers decisions. Countdown started plastic bag free this morning.
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:57am
    - Ed Snack
      
      So what do we put our selection of vegetables into, currently small plastic bags are used. Are they going or is this only the “big” bags used at checkout ?
      
      And has anyone actually taken heed of the real environmental impact of the different types of bags ? The “single use” bags are more environmentally friendly by quite some margin, as well as more hygienic.
      
      What is it with all this fuck-witted virtue signalling that actually leads to worse environmental outcomes but is somehow dressed up as virtue ? Is it some sort of exercise in how far you can warp a societies sense of propriety and common sense so in the future bigger and more damaging changes can be accepted ? That is, used in the same way that propaganda in communist societies is not so much to get people to believe in preposterous claims, but to make them complicit in so may little lies so they lose their sense of honesty and thus make it easier to implement the corrupt and exploitative society that is the end aim of those who control the country ?
      
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      September 3, 2018 11:15am
      - Happychappy
        
        Yes but it doesn’t mean that the staff should suffer, boycott the supermarket or protest at head office many of the staff NZ wiďe need their jobs and are already suffering abuse from some that don’t like this decision.
        
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        September 3, 2018 11:24am
    - lifesgood
      
      Who said anything about making the job harder for the staff? They don’t care what bag they put stuff in.
      
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      September 3, 2018 12:32pm
      - Happychappy
        
        The comment I was referring to was ” I’m going to piss them off as much as I can ” do you think the boss’s that made this decision are going to be the pissed òff operator. The Manager is probably in his office doing his paperwork.
        
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        September 3, 2018 1:19pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Sorry, Happy, but through the check-out operator is the only realistic way to get the bald message back to “Management”.
      
      Generally operators will be on your side too – it’s much easier for them to pack goods in uniform size / shape bags than in a variety of old bags hauled out of the customer’s cupboard.
      
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      September 3, 2018 8:20pm
- DigNap15
  
  And Compact Fluorescent light bulbs (the worst things ever invented)
  And miserly shower heads?
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:28am
- Rich Prick
  
  Lordy, whatever will they ban next? That monumental environmental travesty: the drink straw?
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:35am
  - secondcumming
    
    @RP
    
    Maybe the Greens could set this to music……
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlHRBpEW4AAsFN8.jpg
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:55am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The government should be wary.
    It could be the final straw for the voters…!
    
    (Boom! Ting!)
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:58am
- hullkiwi
  
  The most successful con job ever.
  
  Let’s get the chronology of this thing right.
  
  Earlier this year the supermarket chains hear people talk about single use plastic bags – something about the environment at al.
  
  So, both chains announce come the new year “no more single use plastic bags.”
  
  Cinders comes back from maternity leave, and during yet another PR relaunch of the CoL during one her post cabinet news conferences she announces
  
  “The government will begin a conversation looking at the total banning of single use plastic bags.”
  
  Within a week, both major supermarket groups announce that they will stop supplying shoppers with single use plastic bags on 29/08/18.
  
  Instead, shoppers will buy slightly heavier duty plastic bags at $0.15 a bag.
  
  Call me cynical, but this was a move by the supermarkets (encouraged by the witless Cindy) to enhance their bottom lines.
  
  Nothing to do with the environment.
  
  As Mrs HK has found, now when you go into the supermarket, you HAVE TO HAVE a bag with you, else the supermarket will helpfully extract $0.15 per bag from your picket.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:06am
  - secondcumming
    
    Laugh of the weekend was at Quay St Countdown yesterday afternoon…….a woman carrying out a few items in her hands dropped a bottle of cream at the self-checkout. Wot a f-ing mess!!
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:17am
    - hullkiwi
      
      It would have been better had it been the Countdown by Victoria Park, in front of all those virtue signallers who live in the area around Franklin Road and the like.
      
      Besides, if you live North of the Bridge, the biggest bunch of hypocrites have to be Auckland Council. If you do not have a rubbish wheelie bin, through the said supermarkets and DIY stores, you are obliged to buy a rubbish sack. These rubbish sacks have a one week life for the household rubbish, ate then left at the kerbside, are collected by the rubbish contractors, to end up in – landfill. These sacks that cost between $2.25 and $2.50 are the ultimate single use plastic bags.
      
      No body does hipocracy better than the government sector.
      
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      September 3, 2018 11:47am
    - Piniwi
      
      That’s not as bad secondcumming as the old drunk who reassured a lady who dropped a bottle of tomato sauce and two eggs from her arms full. On inspection he comforted her by saying “don’t worry love it wouldn’t have lived. It’s eyes are too far apart.”
      
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      September 4, 2018 1:57am
  - Longknives
    
    Has anyone noticed that you are starting to get evil looks and sneers from Self Righteous Lefties if you take heaps of Plastic Bags at the Self Serve?
    I take as many as I can- I need them to bag the toxic waste nappies from my kid..
    The woman at the next counter with her hemp bags and bone carving (probably) was watching me and giving disapproving looks..
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:36am
    - lifesgood
      
      Look at her hemp bags with contempt, get in first.
      
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      September 3, 2018 12:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Yep, they never got that light bulb moment .
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:13am
- rockape
  
  My local baker(the best in NZ) based in Wakefield always used paper bags. This last week they are packing all produce in plastic. They must be National supporters!
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:06am
UpandComer

No third rails today. Just a quick look at the latest Garner. Sometimes he’s a mix of dopey duncan and dynamic duncan. He still needs to apoligise to Steven Joyce.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/106739975/from-charm-offensive-to-utterly-useless-in-72-hours

Today Duncan is being somewhat disingenuous Duncan. He writes a pretty sparse piece ostensibly highly critical of the government. But his real attitude is expressed early. First that business concerns are ‘whines and endless wish lists’ and second Labour just needs to “remind everyone in business of the real economic stats that show things are largely tracking OK”. In other words business confidence is disingenuous, and delinked from fundamentals.

No. That’s wrong. The confidence tracks fundamentals. The fundamentals are bad. Things are not largely tracking okay because tracking includes forward projections. Businesses can’t live day by day. Expressing concerns about entire industries being arbitrarily excised and chaotic secret working groups all building like a wave to eventually crash down isn’t ‘whining and wish lists’.

The problem isn’t Curran and Whatiri. It’s the Prime Minister and the other Prime Ministers, Winston and Helen. Who knows what is going to happen next?

Duncan needs to apologise to Steven Joyce for getting it wrong on the hole, and not dismiss business as ‘whines ans wish lists’. But he can blame the economists for misleading him on the hole.
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September 3, 2018 9:20am
- Harkman
  
  Ha the irony, Robo was downplaying growth stats of 3.3% saying “population is growing 2%.” But now gdp growth is 2% and the population growth is still 2%. So Garner is wrong with his “the real economic stats that show things are largely tracking OK.” Seriously Garner thinks he can be an insider on all sides, but he is increasingly being caught on one side, Labour’s side.
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:36am
big bruv

So it turn out that former NZ footballer Michael Utting is a bit of a bludger and all round cad. It’s great that our media can expose people like Utting, it was a reasonable piece of journalism.
The question I have is this, would they have run that story if Utting had been an famous NZ Rugby player?
We all know that the answer to that question is a resounding no.
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September 3, 2018 9:28am
big bruv

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September 3, 2018 9:28am
Sofia

Maori in prison
… figures presented at last week’s Justice Summit showed that 51 per cent of all prisoners were kicked out of their schools as children, and 50 per cent of prisoners were Māori. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118082

Government moves to destroy the partnership model of school that appear to successfully cater for students expelled from the state school system.

All 7 Maori Special Seat Members of Parliament (all Labour) are missing in action.
All 29 Maori descent Members of Parliament bulldozed or just dozed.

If the prison population (10,645 at March 31,.2018 – Ministry of Justice) reflected Maori at 15% as they are of the general population, instead of 51% prisoners being of Maori descent as they are, there would be 3832 less people in prison, a cut of 36 % – 6% more than Little thinks he can reduce it by.

But ‘no’, Labour will still close partnership schools.
Laboured logic.
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September 3, 2018 9:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  oh No.
  
  You don’t think our prison problem begins with lousy schools, do you?
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:38am
  - Sofia
    
    It would seem schools are really one place where the statistics start to become apparent.
    The rest is very simple Labour priorities –
    Maori children and their future versus union financial support and political reciprocation.
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:01am
    - Ross12
      
      Thanks Sofia.
      I hope every Government MP reads those stats and starts to hammer Hipkin’s door down —oh sorry I’m in dreamland typing this.
      
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      September 3, 2018 10:17am
      - Paulus
        
        Isn’t Hipkins on Maternity leave for six weeks ?
        
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        September 3, 2018 2:37pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    It definitely begins with lousy education.
    Some of that can be attributed to lazy schools (- the kids is hard to teach, so why bother).
    Most of it lousy parents who have had a lousy education …
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:18pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      So did most of the immigrants that came from the UK, it is something that you can do something about
      
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      September 3, 2018 12:59pm
    - GoVege
      
      Most of it is lousy parents in the baby farming business who recruit their school-age children to care for the babies, thereby ruining their chance for an education.
      I know kids like these who had to be in the same classes as immigrant kids, their basic skills were so bad.
      
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      September 3, 2018 7:07pm
- DigNap15
  
  We should all email these stats to Willie Jackson and Kelvin Davis and Andrew Little.
  
  And three strikes does work as its only just started to kick in.
  
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  September 3, 2018 9:38am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    They would get the email and either:
    a) ignore it,
    b) read it and ignore it,
    c) read it and fail to understand the position,
    d) do nothing and keep cashing the cheques,
    e) push the staff around in the office aside from AA as he will just bore them to submission
    
    I’m going with D
    
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    September 3, 2018 10:00am
DigNap15

I went to see the Spitfire Documentary at the cinema yesterday.
Gee it was really good.
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September 3, 2018 9:37am
- skyblue
  
  That’s what the ME109 pilot said too.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:11am
  - stephieboy
    
    Adolf Galland gave Field Marshall the famous retort when the Battle of Britain was not going well for the Luftwaffe,
    
    “Give me a Squadron of Spitfires “
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:26am
- kowtow
  
  You might enjoy the David Niven movie , The First of the Few.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:18am
- waikatogirl
  
  Recently had the pleasure of visiting Peter Jackson’s WWI Centennial display in the old Wellington museum before it is due to close in December, as Massey university want their building back. Hubby and I recommend a paid tour of this treasure before it is demolished.
  
  The WWI memorabilia and some of the amazing lifelike accompanying Weta Workshop displays will disappear into dusty storage. Sadly much of the fabulous and realistic infrastructure, the French cobbled streets and villages, etc will disappear during the demolition, so as to return the building in readiness for its handover to Massey.
  
  The old museum is situated above the Wellington Cenotaph and ‘the grave of the unknown soldier’. The historic, and majestic building should be owned by the people of NZ or unfortunately, we will lose this wonderful and historical display. It will be so very unfortunate for NZ to lose this fabulous display of history.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:24am
  - RalphT
    
    Waikatogirl, I think you mean the National War Memorial; the Wellington Cenotaph has the Beehive above it and no self-respecting person would want to go there now, given the current inhabitants.
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:04am
    - waikatogirl
      
      You are right RalphT. Even more fitting the stately old building and surrounding Cenotaph not be overrun with hoards of students. ?
      
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      September 3, 2018 1:22pm
      - RalphT
        
        Except, of course, the Cenotaph faces the VUW law school and its commerce faculty. Perhaps a better class of student than you get at Massey, says the VUW old boy.
        
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        September 3, 2018 1:43pm
  - Jack5
    
    Bugger Massey University, they’ve got enough facilities already for their flaky social science courses.
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:47am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Some of you might recall that the old museum was closed, passed to the Tenths as part of a treaty settlement, and then leased to Massey. The First World War display was only ever propsed as a fice year centennial project. Massey has proposed extending the lease, but wants a massive lump of cash to reonvate the building. The Ministry for Culture and Heritage has said no; so Peter Jackson will need to find another storage site, as the taxpayers and ratepayers can’t fund all of his projects. Great as the museum show has been, the price to keep it there was extoirtionate – probably on the basis that Massey thought the government would roll over.
    
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    September 3, 2018 1:57pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      That’s a real shame MMM. The number of visitors to the PJ display has risen considerably since its closing was announced. We flew into Wellington especially to see it. Enjoyable few days in Wellington an added bonus.
      
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      September 3, 2018 4:32pm
- Longknives
  
  I saw the ad for the Spitfire thing on FB- It looks awesome!
  
  *Though some twat made the comment that he wishes we would “Stop celebrating Colonialism”
  (Lefty trolls are everywhere on Facebook- I assume because most are unemployed)
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:41am
- Komata
  
  DigNap15: What is the title please; our local cinemas don’t seem to know? Thanks.
  
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  September 3, 2018 2:09pm
Fletch

So, the country needs another 300 junior doctors to fill the gap after the last strike gave them less hours because of some sort of safety concern. And it’s only going to cost us $35 million.

It follows a warning from a new rebel junior doctors’ union last week that the rosters, introduced from February 2017 under a new employment deal between district health boards and doctors’ union the Resident Doctors’ Association, are wrecking surgical training and potentially unsafe for patients.

The new rosters, followed bitter pay talks, including two strikes, in 2016 and 2017 between the Resident Doctors’ Association and DHBs. The deal reached as a result, in Schedule 10 of the multi-employer collective agreement (MECA), ended the ability for junior doctors to be rostered on for 12 consecutive days or up to seven consecutive nights, replacing it with a maximum of 10 consecutive days and four consecutive nights.

The new union, Specialty Trainees of New Zealand, or SToNZ, told RNZ last week the change has seriously limited their ability to train, because surgical training opportunities occur during the week, when they are not permitted to work if they have worked a weekend shift.

SToNZ chair Heath Lash also estimated the rosters had led to vacancies of between 200 and 300 junior doctors, also known as Resident Medical Officers, or RMOs.

There’s been a report done on the issue, and guess what it says on the very last page in the summary?

These changes are arising as an unintended consequence of an industrial relations negotiation rather than as a planned, professionally led process aimed at determining the best future roles of clinicians in our hospital services.

This leads to a broader point: the real and pressing issue of making the RMO experience safer, both for RMOs and for their patients, appears to have been considered in isolation without exploring the ripple effects upon training and service delivery.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4814982/RMO-MECA-Impact-Final-Report.pdf

That’s libs all over for you. Making hurried changes because of ideological beliefs without regard for any possible consequences (see, Jacinda and the oil and gas exploration).
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September 3, 2018 9:48am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  About the same cost with a better outcome as the Pike River posturing.
  
  What would you spend $25m+ on that would be a greater benefit to ALL New Zealanders other than Pike River?
  
  Me? Almost anything.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:03am
dime

Anyone here using lastpass?

Dime started about 2 months ago and I gotta say – its freaking amazing.

Its a password manager.

I have one long ass password (a sentence no one would ever guess), once logged in, it stores all your passwords and creates new ones for you as needed.

eg say i needed a new password for kiwiblog. I pick 21 characters long. it spits out something like this – Hr13@uN!w9o1GD6C$Wx3x

Try guessing that fucker!

the beauty is you never have to remember. It auto fills everything, including apps on your phone.

Thats the Dime PSA for the day. Def worth a look
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September 3, 2018 9:57am
- wiseowl
  
  uN always in there somewhere!
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:06am
- Fletch
  
  Yup, I have been using a password manager for a few years now and it is great. The one I use will also enter your name/address/email etc if needed on a page. Saves lots of typing.
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:35am
  - Jack5
    
    What does this “.”, a mere fullstop, signify, Milky?
    
    Does it mean that you agree with Fletch? Or, Milky, does it mean one of these:
    
    1. You have nodded off at the keyboard.
    2. You are simultaneously practising Morse code and got confused.
    3. You Are suffering momentary lapses of, concentration or consciousness.
    4. The “> and .” key on your keyboard is jammed.
    
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    September 3, 2018 12:22pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Just meant that I had a problem with my comment and it didn’t want to delete.
      
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      September 3, 2018 1:57pm
Manolo

Is the incompetent Mr Obama a modern version of a poisoned apple?
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/404703-obama-readies-fall-campaign-push-but-some-dems-say-no-thanks

Former President Obama is set to dive into the midterm elections next week with a speech in Illinois where he is expected to urge Democrats across the country to vote — addressing a problem that plagued the party in 2016.
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September 3, 2018 9:57am
- Fletch
  
  Obama is about to be given an “ethics in government” award by the University of Illinois. This tells you how completely blind they are and how much of their reality is based on unthinking ideology.
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/30/university-of-illinois-to-honor-obama-with-ethics-in-government-award/
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , of course, in contrast with the beleaguered role model of the present incumbent.
    
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/trump-cabinet-officials-in-ethics-scandals.html
    
    LOL
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:29am
    - Fletch
      
      Um, overspending on travel is hardly the same as your IRS targeting conservative groups, the Benghazi cover up, NSA spying on reporters, etc. I could go on, but Obama’s presidency is almost one big scandal.
      
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      September 3, 2018 12:04pm
- Paulus
  
  It is from the one time Senator for Illinois along with the Clinton President that the Global Financial Crises started by by law insisting that Mortgages must be given to anybody who wanted one irrespective of any income.
  Wonder which Senator that was !
  
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  September 3, 2018 2:42pm
dime

Had to laugh at McCain funeral.

Talk about low class.

His trashy Daughter was the worst. Trying to launch either a poltical career (as a dem) or relaunch her media career.

Imagine using your own fathers funeral like that?

unfreakingbelievable
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September 3, 2018 10:48am
- Longknives
  
  They all do it Dime- A certain Political leader here used her own Grandmother’s Death AND her Kitty Cat getting squashed during last year’s Election campaign….
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:03am
  - dime
    
    yeah the Grandmother thing was gross too
    
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    September 3, 2018 11:07am
    - Longknives
      
      The Grandmother thing was classless but Jesus what her and Gayford are doing to that poor kid must borderline on Child Abuse…(Dragging it round as nothing more than a fucking publicity stunt)
      
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      September 3, 2018 12:18pm
- Komata
  
  Dime: And what is NOT being widely reported is that prior to the funeral, McCain, family et al, were flown from Pheonix to DC on Air Force 2, a move authorised by the President!, To then be trashed and bashed by those whom he helped says more about the McCains and their hangers-on than it does about the President.
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:13am
- stephieboy
  
  dime , you seem to think highly of draft dodgers and deserters?
  
  Why?
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:32am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Do you have a point?
    
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    September 3, 2018 6:53pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Just as some on Kiwiblog has to use McCain’s death to trash his military record, so too was his funeral used to remind people of the occasions when he stood up to Trump, although they also seemed to forget to mention that McCain couldn’t quite bring himself to vote agasint the key Obamacare dismantlement . In that, he seems to typify the most pusilanimous of the republicans – calling Trump out on (some of) his egregious and offensive nonsense, but not quite prepared to do anything about it. Enough to provoke president hold-a-grudge, but no impact overall.
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:37am
- Huevon
  
  I saw Stuff fondly reporting that GWBush gave a candy to Michelle Obama. I remember when the media hated that guy’s guts, mocked his way of talking, called him a war criminal and imperialist. They hate Trump so much they have embraced Bush. What a world we live in.
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:35pm
- howitis
  
  It is pretty useful for the US public to look at the three most recent Prez’s smelling up the funeral and go :-
  “Holy Hell”
  “Look at what we had for the last 24 years: Rapey; Dopey Druggie; and a half white Moozlem who promoted cop killing and maintained Dopey’s wars/bombing as well as starting new ones and destroying yet more countries.”
  Jeepers!
  “Now, get on with Making America Great Again.”
  
  Having spent time in the US the news there lingers on one topic at length so they will be immersed in this funeral crapola right now.
  It is a long weekend so this will really drag on with a news vacuum.
  Opportunity for scum media to hit at the elected Prez for days on end with no distraction.
  
  The media are in fact reinforcing the view of the Majority who voted for Prez D. J. Trump under the electoral system in 2016. Bury the swamp dwellers.
  
  McCain, he’s done it again…and again. 5 days of funerals HE planned.
  Just bury the RINO, already!
  
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  September 3, 2018 1:10pm
secondcumming

My brother in-law emails:
Headline from Queensland newspaper ‘The Daily Boomerang’

*Survey shows NZ Prime Minister commands huge respect
from Primary School children and Manus Island detainees*
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September 3, 2018 11:16am
- howitis
  
  Perhaps Ardern really wanted to be a primary school teacher but her minders told her that instead of fucking up only 40 kids a year she can fuck up the whole country by being PM.
  
  Let’s DO This!
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    She wold not have had the Intelligence to be a Primary School Teacher.
    That takes Brains.
    
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    September 3, 2018 2:45pm
timmydevo

Another one of these articles:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106767408/female-lawyers-make-up-only-about-a-quarter-of-lead-counsel-before-highest-courts

These studies that hark on about gender equality simply raise more questions, such as:

1. Do female lawyers want to actually peruse this line of law?
2. Is there an even representation of female to male lawyers in areas such as family law?
3. Why people expect that “a matter of time” means that if it’s not worked out in six years, that nothing is happening?
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September 3, 2018 11:33am
- DigNap15
  
  Imho we need less female laywers, and less female teachers, and less female mps.
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:41am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Fewer. Less is for money iirc.
    
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    September 3, 2018 5:36pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Fewer is for plurals.
      Less is for singular items.
      Fewer dollars, Less money.
      Fewer cars, Less traffic.
      
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      September 3, 2018 7:08pm
- Fletch
  
  Yup, as has been pointed out before – it is equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome. So many liberals want equality of outcome because it somehow isn’t fair if there aren’t the same amount of people (of differing sexes, or colors, etc) employed in jobs they think are the most desirable. They don’t stop to think that, hey, maybe men and women don’t like to do the same sorts of jobs.
  
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  September 3, 2018 11:43am
Fletch

In case you missed it, there is a new film about Neil Armstrong landing on the Moon about to be released. The film makers, however, have decided not to include a scene of the American flag being planted on the Moon – that would be too pro-American or something.

Canadian Ryan Gosling who plays Armstrong in the film said, “So I don’t think that Neil viewed himself as an American hero. From my interviews with his family and people that knew him, it was quite the opposite. And we wanted the film to reflect Neil.” Reaction on twitter was swift –

This is total lunacy. And a disservice at a time when our people need reminders of what we can achieve when we work together. The American people paid for that mission,on rockets built by Americans,with American technology & carrying American astronauts. It wasn’t a UN mission.

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio

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Neil is the man who took the giant leap for mankind, but he was put there by thousands upon thousands of American scientists, engineers, mathmeticians, factory workers, and tax payers. The flag represents more than the men on the ship. It represents America doing the impossible.
— Jenna (@jennaep7)

Even the famous pilot Chuck Yeager chimed in –

That’s not the Neil Armstrong I knew
— Chuck Yeager

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More Hollywood make-believe
— Chuck Yeager

But yeh, Hollywood can’t stand to praise America or her achievements.
Here’s what Buzz Aldrin tweeted about the flag back in 2016 –

Happy #FlagDay! My salute to the American flag on the moon was my proudest moment. #Apollo11 pic.twitter.com/wIim2nsh6B

— Buzz Aldrin (@TheRealBuzz)
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September 3, 2018 11:39am
- Jack5
  
  Ah, Chuck Yeager. Anyone-else remember John Campbell interviewing Yeager?
  
  And Campbell’s question about the “real stuff” (from the name and subject of a popular movie at the time, about astronauts)?
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:01pm
- Longknives
  
  Fuck you Hollywood and Fuck you Gosling!
  How ignorant, arrogant and disrespectful….
  
  I hope the film tanks.
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:17pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Why do the young believe they can project their present-day beliefs on the past? It was different back then, hence why it is called history. ?
    
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    September 3, 2018 1:37pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Reminds me of that movie about Churchill.
    I really hated it, as they did not give him the credit and respect that he deserved.
    
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    September 3, 2018 4:51pm
- Huevon
  
  The Soviets might as well have won. Fucking Hollywood commies.
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:43pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Chuck Yeager had Armstrong pegged as a bit of a twat as a young aviator. From memory Armstrong unnecessarily landed a big plane on a damp playa and got it bogged/stuck until it dried sufficiently to be dug out and recovered.
  
  Yeager’s autobiography is a great read.
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:57pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Loved the story about the Air Force commander who checked inventory of aircraft by having them paraded past him and checked the serial numbers. Yeager had the serial numbers of Aircraft that had been shot down painted on. Must have messed things up for years afterwards.
    
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    September 3, 2018 1:51pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sorry, you’re upset that Neil Armstrong didn’t view himself as an American hero? Your main concern about this film is that it doesn’t show a flag?
  What else will you pretend to be offended about today, snowflake?
  
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  September 3, 2018 1:33pm
  - Fletch
    
    How would you feel if they made a movie about New Zealand winning the America’s cup or some such but didn’t show the flag ceremony because, gee, that would make us look too vain.
    
    To be honest, Gosling’s statement is disingenuous and misleading anyway. It isn’t about Armstrong seeing himself as a hero. It is about Armstrong and company’s pride in America; their love of country and patriotism. If you think that didn’t play a significant part in how they thought of the space race then you’re blind. The tweets by Yeager and Aldrin prove it.
    
    The Left don’t like the idea of America being great. Witness the statement by Democrat New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo two weeks ago that “America was never that great”. But America has been successful. And their thinking is that if one country has been more successful than another then there must have been some unfairness or inequality involved. Well, tough bikkies. Some countries are better and more successful than others and there’s no need to apologize for winning.
    
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    September 3, 2018 3:23pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      If you really think people will come away from that movie unaware that the US of A sent men to the moon, then you are even stupider than I thought.
      
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      September 3, 2018 3:38pm
      - Fletch
        
        Then what is wrong with being proud of it?
        
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        September 3, 2018 3:59pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Ryan Gosling is Canadian.
      
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      September 3, 2018 4:38pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Isn’t everyone from Tinseltown Canadian now?
        I’m sure I remember them all saying they were leaving the USA if Trump was elected.
        Hard to know why the Oscars aren’t being held in Manitoba or somewhere, because they’re all conscious of their air miles too, eh?
        
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        September 3, 2018 7:12pm
Jack5

We’ve got to keep Chinese, Indian and other foreign honey shut out of New Zealand. Bugger the FTA.

International criminals, often in China, are making artificial “honey” and it’s showing up in Australia. A test there of 28 sample imported honeys has shown 12 were not pure honey.

Asian honey, banned from Europe, has long been causing problems in the United States. The EU banned honey from India after finding samples had been contaminated by lead and banned animal medicines. The authorities found some of the honey was entirely artificial.

America has encountered big problems with “honey laundering”. This is honey shipped from China to trusted traditional suppliers to the US, such as Mexico, and sent to America as being from that country.

Crooks typically bulk up natural honey with cheap ingredients such as rice syrup and beet syrup and other substances that aren’t detected by official honey tests.

Meanwhile, in NZ’s pure-honey industry, two Chinese companies are trying to buy New Zealand maker Manuka Health for about $300 million. With adulteration problems in their home industry, Chinese consumers are keen for NZ and other foreign honeys.

If the Chinese get into the NZ industry, this adds to competition for NZ exporters. They already face competition from the “daigou” trade: NZ resident Chinese buying our honey in supermarkets and sending it to China.

Fake honey storm in Australia:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/capilano-supermarkets-accused-of-selling-fake-honey-20180827-p5000u.html

Chinese bid for NZ honey firm:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-manuka-health-m-a/two-chinese-firms-bid-for-nz-honey-maker-manuka-health-source-idUSKBN1KK088
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September 3, 2018 11:44am
Jack5

Steve Bannon is predicting a “working class revolt” in Australia because of the Australian Government’s weakness in relation to China.

I wonder what Bannon would think of NZ, where our politicians, sadly led by National, have had their head up Beijing’s arse for a decade or more.

Former National politicians – including Don Brash and a once-Prime Minister – are proud to be on the NZ boards of Chinese banks, as though they were there for their brains, rather than for their real value to China, their political contacts.

Is anyone bringing Bannon to New Zealand?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-03/steve-bannon-says-china-is-at-economic-war-with-west/10174604
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September 3, 2018 11:56am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You could step up and promote a visit by whomever you think would attract a paying crowd. Perhaps try crowd funding. Or get some advice from Ray Avery.
  
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  September 3, 2018 1:34pm
rangitoto

Missing information.

https://www.9news.com.au/2018/09/03/02/09/riverwood-sydney-nsw-drug-overdose-paramedic-assault-police
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September 3, 2018 12:01pm
- Inandout
  
  This one happened earlier.
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/riot-squad-called-to-sydney-bar-after-cowardly-attack-on-ambos-20180826-p4zztn.html
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:22pm
  - Komata
    
    Inandout / rangitoto: Sadly, paramedic abuse has been known to happen in NZ, but not necessarily from the expecte,d quarters. Let ne explain. Many years ago I was assisting a paramedic to revive an ederly local metho who had fallen over and was bleedng profusely from a head wound sustained after hitting the ashphalt. This at 0200 on an Auckland summer morning. I had found him and from what little he said, gathered he had been beaten up. (He hadn’t). I called both St Johns and the local Police. St. Johns arrived first although only with one staff member ( they were short staffed), and soon a very capable young PI paramedic was going about his tasks. The patient was semi-conscious and in a metythlated-spirits induced state. Blood everywhere. So far, so good. Enter Plod! A red, unmarked HQ Holden drove up and six men in light grey suits got out. The first one in the front passenger seat, comes bounding out and walks over to us, and starts demanding, ‘Ok, we’re the Poice, What’s going on here, who are you etc etc’. Really cocky, over the top, boorush almost, but hey, he was THE MAN!, HOWEVER while doing all this he also takes out a REVOLVER from inside his hacket and, bold as brass, and fully of authority, walks up to the paramedic down on his knees alongside his patient, and points it close to the head of the Paramedic, then does the same to me!!!!! What the hell?…. He carried on waving the pistol around and evidently thought he was being soooooo cool. His mates just stood nearby and also seemed to think that what he was doing was a great joke. The paramedic just looked up, and got on with his job, I was ticked off, and very, very scared, since this was the sort of nightmare that happened in the US , not in little old NZ, and although I did give fleeting thought to shoving him away, he had mates and, cops being cops, it would be all thieves together, so no chance. One against six seemed unreasonable odds. I was also on duty, so it woukd probably not have looked too good for my record to be accused of fighting the Police on Company time. The cop and his mates eventually got bored, decided an unconscious vagrant wasn’t much fun and after taking the necessay details, they all went back to the car, and drove off in a cloud of dust, stones and loud noises from the vehicle’s overstressed suspension. No doubt they had had a great time. The paramedic also finished, the victim (by this time conscious again), was persuaded to climb into the ambulance, and after it drove off, silence returned to my workplace. It had been an interesting 45 or so minutes. And my point? That although the ‘Usual suspects’ are the cause of incidents such as you have detailed, sometimes they can equally be caused by those whom society like to believe are their guardians , in this instance our supposedly ‘upright’ police force. And if anyone wonders, there was at the time no such thing as the Police Complaints Authority, so the cop I’ve mentioned was free to do as he pleased with no consequences. I never saw the paramedic or police again, but did see the victim a few days later. He had absolutely no recollection of the incident; such is the effect of methylated spirits on the brain.
    
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    September 3, 2018 3:09pm
    - Longknives
      
      So a Cop pointed a revolver at the Paramedics head?
      I’m certainly no fanboy of NZ Police but that seems a little far fetched mate!
      *Oh and Cops in the States don’t generally point a gun at you unless you give them a reason…
      
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      September 3, 2018 4:12pm
- kowtow
  
  Missing info.
  
  The Media Party left out the ethnicity of the “party” goers where there was a huge brawl and someone drove into the crowd in Melbourne the other day.
  
  Lurgenpresse.
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:39pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Nice use of a Nazi slogan. Was the report on Jewish media?
    
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    September 3, 2018 1:37pm
    - kowtow
      
      Nice use of a Nazi funded technology.
      
      ‘He now joined the Third Reich’s Aerodynamics Research Institute which funded the building of a full-scale computer, the Z3. The Z3 became operational in December 1941, and was by two years the world’s first practical automatic computer. A second machine, the Z4, was quickly commissioned.’
      
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-konrad-zuse-1526795.html
      
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      September 3, 2018 3:35pm
- Nermal
  
  Give that man a Darwin Award ?
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:43pm
Jack5

What is going on with the Pike River mine shenanigans?

The head of the “agency” set up to run it is quoted on Radio NZ today as saying there is no plan to re-enter the mine. The plan is only to explore the 2.3 km entry tunnel. So far, people have been only 300 metres into it.

The agency chief warns that no bodies may be found in the entry tunnel, and says the exploration is for “forensic examinations”.

The report ends with: ” … it is possible the re-entry could cost more than the $23 million originally budgeted.”

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/365537/drift-re-entry-a-forensics-examination
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September 3, 2018 12:13pm
David George

‘Michael Moore Praises Venezuela for “Giving oil to the people and ending poverty in Venezuela”.

1. Moore now feels a bit stupid
2. Moore now feels very stupid
3. Moore is too stupid to feel stupid
5:30 AM – Sep 1, 2018
1%Bit Stupid
5%Very Stupid
94%Too Stupid to Feel Stupid
https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/michael-moore-flashback-in-praise-of-venezuela-1uQbfKEzi0qpmfItuE76Sg/
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September 3, 2018 12:21pm
igm

What has happened to Andrew Saville from TVNZ sport? Seems to have taken a slide into oblivion.
On a more serious note, where is Sir Peter Leach? Have not heard a word from him, even though Warriors are having a half decent season.
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September 3, 2018 12:21pm
- Swifty
  
  Saw him struggling across the Auckland Airport Countdown carpark Friday week ago; limping along but still had a bit of a spring to his step.
  
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  September 3, 2018 12:25pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Peter Leach was on TV3 this morning talking to Duncan. The Warriors don’t interest me so didn’t hear him speak but he looked bright enough. ?
  
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  September 3, 2018 1:45pm
lifesgood

A woman was sexually assaulted overnight somewhere in NZ and the police are looking for the suspect. His description was given on Red Radio – 6ft tall, broad shouldered, wearing a beanie…that was all, no ethnicity mentioned. Bloody unhelpful if you ask me, and anyway you can draw your own conclusions. This PC nonsense has to stop.
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September 3, 2018 12:28pm
secondcumming

If life gives you MELONS……..you may be dyslexic.
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September 3, 2018 12:37pm
Swifty

Oh dear, oh dear – Marama Fox, the smarmy arrogant woman who I watched airily dismiss some NZers with legitimate concerns as ‘male, pale and stale…’ leaves unpaid bills and wrecked lives….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106777942/business-of-former-mp-marama-fox-owes-over-70k

Travel, food, drinks, IT infrastructure….and not a cent paid according to her creditors – as well as ceasing to communicate once bills were begun to be chased.

Tragic for those who she has had dealings with – but ‘devastating’ to Marama apparently. Yeah, right.
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September 3, 2018 1:34pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Don’t worry Swifty, it’s the way the left do business. Remember David Parker’s advice for business, “if your business can’t afford to pay the increased costs you are best to leave the industry”. Marama is just following his advice!
  
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  September 3, 2018 1:51pm
  - Swifty
    
    True! 🙂
    
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    September 3, 2018 1:59pm
  - Paulus
    
    And David Parker’s commercial history in Dunedin would not give you any trust – ask those involved who went bankrupt.
    
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    September 3, 2018 2:49pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Must have thought that she was still on a Ministerial salary.
  
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  September 3, 2018 6:10pm
Longknives

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123483/Man-dies-mob-attacks-paramedics-union.html

Angry mob of 80 men attack Ambulance Staff.
It’s bound to be ‘Old White Men’again – They are responsible for everything bad that happens right?..
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September 3, 2018 1:51pm
- Swifty
  
  It’ll be the folk from the local bowls club – they’re always looking for trouble.
  
  Or granny gangs:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0kRPXTBRqE
  
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  September 3, 2018 2:02pm
mikenmildagain

This one is quite upsetting. Mike Hosking and Kate Hawkesby are having difficulty finding a home to rent in Auckland.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/106769212/kate-hawkesby-bemoans-state-of-rental-market
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September 3, 2018 1:59pm
Swifty

For those interested – an important note from Tom Hunter re Kimbo received early this morning:

“No worries on Kimbo. Met up with him for a beer or three a few weeks ago and he’s in good shape. Still many tests to conduct but it looks good and he looked healthy.

Sorry about the time, but I’m in Aussie, and he asked me to drop a line to KB to say that he’s okay. But commentating is taking a backseat to his work for a while.”

Great news and thanks very much again Tom.
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September 3, 2018 2:05pm
- Longknives
  
  That is very good news.
  I hope he returns to the Kiwiblog fray soon! (It’s not much fun talking sports with Mikenmild…)
  
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  September 3, 2018 2:08pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s because you have a myopic obsession with bashing everything about New Zealand rugby. We could talk about the Mitre 10 Cup – but that’s rigged to let Canterbury win. Do you know any other games?
    
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    September 3, 2018 2:18pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mike:
      
      Do you know any other games?
      
      The rumour is that Longknjves is our resident expert on women’s jelly-wrestling. Is that something you’d be interested in discussing with him?
      
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      September 3, 2018 2:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think that’s probably something he and big bruv could watch together instead of the next All Blacks match.
        
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        September 3, 2018 2:47pm
      - Longknives
        
        Oh and I went to the Jelly Wrestling once- But left because I think some creepy guy behind me in a Trenchcoat was fondling himself.
        He kept muttering something about ‘Young Honeypots’…
        
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        September 3, 2018 4:06pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”some creepy guy behind me in a Trenchcoat was fondling himself”…..
        
        You poor bastard…..that would take the edge off your enjoyment of the show.
        
        But as a survivor from a Catholic school doubtlessly your reflexes are keenly honed. 🙂
        
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        September 3, 2018 4:16pm
    - Longknives
      
      I enjoy Boxing,Cricket and Tennis Mikey!
      (And I loved Rugby Union prior to the Graham Henry era..)
      So any of those..
      
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      September 3, 2018 4:02pm
    - Harkman
      
      Ha
      
      Or maybe Canterbury win because they are better (though they are struggling at the moment).
      
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      September 3, 2018 4:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just a troll of longknives and big bruv’s constant assertions that world rugby is rigged so that the All Black always win.
        I don’t begrudge Canterbury their rugby success; they have nothing else going for them down in that wasteland.
        
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        September 3, 2018 4:52pm
Chuck Bird

Has anyone heard that Comrade Audern is going to Nauru for 36 hours on the NZ Air Force plane at the cost or 100 to $200k so she can get back to her baby?

This is an extra trip just for her. This being talked about on NewstalkZB but the MSM has ignored this, unlike Simon’s car expenses.
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September 3, 2018 2:30pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Extra costs for taxpayers so PM can spend more time with baby
  
  The cost of having a baby when you are the Prime Minister will weigh heavily on the taxpayer this week – around about $100,000.
  
  Newstalk ZB Political editor Barry Soper told Andrew Dickens the RNZAF VIP jet will fly back from Nauru to pick up Jacinda Ardern on Wednesday to take her to the Pacific Islands Forum. Ardern’s cut short her time at the forum because to take her baby would have required giving her a number of vaccinations.
  
  FFS – just send someone else.
  
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  September 3, 2018 2:39pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks for that. I have passed in on. It should be in the Herald, Stuff and on the TV tonight.
    
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    September 3, 2018 3:19pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Will she be present in Parliament tomorrow at General Debate question time?
    Nope – baayyybeeee
    
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    September 3, 2018 5:35pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Well Nostradamus she has as the old drunk is already there but it seems imperative for the silly little girl to get the ASAP. He has poured cold water on the Lab/Green (Mud Mob) big plans to double the refugee quota. Seems he has just discovered 50,000 bros up north who are desperately in greater need than more refugees. Who’d have ever imagined that?
    Seems the Nauru Government had enough time to build a new building in preference to helping their needy yet the silly little girl could not get her baby inoculated for all those nasty bugs up there in time? No sweat the tax payer can lay on a special trip to keep her visit long enough to ask the old drunk WTF he is up to?
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Why can’t she fly commercially, or refrigerate some milk, or use formula and save us all $100-200k? She’s an employee of NZ taxpayers, not fucking royalty.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:30pm
Manolo

An all out attack on Clinton:
https://townhall.com/columnists/cliffnichols/2018/09/02/memo-to-president-trump-prosecute-hillary-clinton-or-perish-n2515001
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September 3, 2018 2:31pm
RF

Did I just dream this. Airforce one has left for Nauru with Peters and media.

You ask where is her Highness.. well you see the squirrel has not had her shots owing to her parents having this thing about vaccines. That prevents her going to the island.

Secondly as the Bub is on the breast Ardern is unable to leave her for more than 36 hours. For some reason not enough milk is being expressed.

But wait.. there’s more… we have an expensive aircraft just sitting up on Nauru so why don’t we just make a special flight back to NZ pick up Ardern and fly her back to the island. She can do her thing and then a few hours later be flown back here in style. The jet can then return to the island to later bring the others back.

Not a problem. Let’s do this.

Who cares that the Deputy PM is up there and Aussie PM is not going.

Hat tip to Chuck & Nosty..
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September 3, 2018 2:45pm
- Nostradamus
  
  RF:
  
  why don’t we just make a special flight back to NZ pick up Ardern and fly her back to the island
  
  I’m trying to find a positive angle on this. Let’s see. Nauru is closer than LAX was? 🙂
  
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  September 3, 2018 2:47pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Nostradamus.
    There is no positive angle. EOS.
    
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    September 3, 2018 5:26pm
- KevOB
  
  We don’t have to like the PM personally but she does have a young child and I think we should extend tolerance so she can do her basic duties. Her being at the Forum is reasonable. Other heads of state may feel offended if she wasn’t present. Nauru is central, family are there too.
  
  MMP is giving us some peculiar situations to deal with. If mothers are acceptable in Parliament we have to accept some other compromises.
  
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  September 3, 2018 3:11pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    KevO, the PM needs to make up her mind whether she’s a PM or a mother.
    I am monumentally pissed off that SLG thinks she can bill NZ taxpayers for her personal choices.
    Someone could explain why SLG is needed on Nauru in the first place, then why she needs her own personal team of fly-boys to accommodate her child’s needs.
    This bloody woman is taking the piss at New Zealand’s expense.
    
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    September 3, 2018 3:55pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Even for a socialist politician, this SLG has very high running costs.
      
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      September 3, 2018 9:16pm
  - lifesgood
    
    We do not have to accept compromises. Either she is PM or she’s not, either she’s a mother or she’s not. Enough of this nonsense.
    
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    September 3, 2018 6:01pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Perfect excuse not to go.
    
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    September 3, 2018 6:23pm
  - Viking2
    
    Most of those will be men who regard women as not someone to be heard around the campfire.
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:14pm
- rangitoto
  
  What will the Gweens have to say about all that extra evil CO2 getting released.
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:02pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Wait
  What?
  Ardern’s an anti vaxxer science Denier?
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think so…
    Babies In NZ have their first set of vaccinations at 6 weeks.
    https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/immunisation/new-zealand-immunisation-schedule
    
    It looks like PM doesn’t want her child to get the extra vaccinations that would be needed for Nauru.
    (Hep A, Typhoid Fever,)
    https://redplanet.travel/mdtravelhealth/destinations/nauru
    
    Makes sense not to subject a little baby to vaccinations if they aren’t really needed.
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:29pm
RF

Nostradamus.

True….

Do they think we are fucking stupid……

I just cannot believe the SLG can be so self opinionated.
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September 3, 2018 2:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Here’s the government’s press release.
  
  “The Forum is an important opportunity for Pacific Leaders to collectively engage with the significant issues facing the region” Jacinda Ardern said. “The theme of this year’s Forum – ‘Building a Strong Pacific: Our People, Our Islands, Our Will’ – is very apt, as we will be talking about a range of important issues including regional security, sustainable development, and responses to climate change.
  
  Winston is quite capable of “talking about” these “important issues”.
  
  And Australia is on notice:
  
  “I also intend to raise refugee-related issues during the Forum” Jacinda Ardern said.
  
  Jacinda should read this summary of Scott Morrison when he was in charge of immigration and citizenship:
  
  When [Tony] Abbott became prime minister he doubled down on offshore detention. Morrison was unflinching in the plan to “stop the boats”. … In June 2014, he took his message directly to the refugees on Manus and Nauru in a controversial video. “If you choose not to go home then you will spend a very, very long time here,” he said. … He appeared to revel in the role of defender of Australia’s borders.
  
  Jacinda has as much chance of persuading Scott Morrison to cuddle refugees as she has of travelling to the moon.
  
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  September 3, 2018 3:16pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Morrison’s not even going to be there.
    So why can’t Cindy trust Winston to do the job for us? He might be a corrupt, self-serving, wizened-up little prick but he’s had a shitload more experience at this sort of stuff than she has.
    
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    September 3, 2018 5:20pm
Manolo

A very interesting article: when history and economics don’t see eye to eye:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/03/china-japan-trade-booms-despite-irreconcilable-differences–commentary.html
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September 3, 2018 3:13pm
Manolo

NZ royalty does not deserve any less!
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/andrew-dickens-afternoons/audio/barry-soper-taxpayers-to-cover-costs-for-prime-ministers-baby-on-nauru-trip/
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September 3, 2018 3:29pm
- Longknives
  
  The Colossal-Toothed Communist sure enjoys hoovering up the old Taxpayer $$$!
  
  ‘Back to work Proletariat!’
  
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  September 3, 2018 3:59pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  This morning LifeLine were begging for $$$ because one in four calls goes unanswered due to lack of funding.
  Remember this PM targeting a zero suicide rate?
  This afternoon she would rather spend $55,000 on a completely unnecessary trip to nutcase central on Nauru than buy a tin of baby formula.
  Remember how we were all told that SLG would be PM while Jethro would be the caregiver for the kid?
  More bloody lies from this shower of entitled wankers.
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:05pm
Keeping Stock

I simply can’t wait to watch Newshub’s news tonight, and watch Tova O’Brien go ballistic about the $100k that it’s going to cost the Air Force to get Jacinda Ardern to the Pacific Islands Forum for just 36 hours of the four day event.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/andrew-dickens-afternoons/audio/barry-soper-taxpayers-to-cover-costs-for-prime-ministers-baby-on-nauru-trip/

Whaddya mean, she won’t say anything? Surely, that would be hypocrisy, wouldn’t it?
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September 3, 2018 4:03pm
- sooty
  
  Part time mother, part time PM. Not much good at either! Better put the squrriel on bottle.
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:55pm
- alex Masterley
  
  KS, that silence is deafening.
  
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  September 3, 2018 5:27pm
- ex-golfer
  
  As much as I can’t stand the peoples princess I have to disagree with you on this one KS.
  As a major force in the Pacific it is important that our PM attend this Forum. If we had a PM in a wheelchair there would be extra cost, but would we complain and kick up a fuss about it?
  We have a PM who is a new mother – this is going to incur extra costs – there is nothing we can do about that now.
  
  What I disagree with is that she is not going for the whole Forum. As PM she should be there the whole time. The baby can either go with her (vaccine argument is a re herring – its not like they would be staying in a grass hut) or stay home with soy-boy.
  
  I reckon the real reason she is not going for the whole Forum is that she (or her handlers) know that she will be completely out of her depth.
  
  She is only comfortable talking to primary school-kids.
  
  Who cares what the Aussies are doing – their political system is a shambles anyway.
  
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  September 3, 2018 5:52pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    I get your point but in the real world where the rest of us live and work what company could afford to splash out on special private flights for new Mum’s just so the baby can come to a conference or whatever.
    The answer is none and the only reason Ardern can get away with this largesse is because she is sucking it from the big black hole called the tax payer.
    Just another working Mum my arse, she is one of the most pampered silver spooned parents in NZ.
    
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    September 3, 2018 6:10pm
- godruelf
  
  Not a peep on TVNZ “News”
  
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  September 3, 2018 6:13pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  And there was lovely Tova on the telly tonight telling us it wasn’t a waste of money because it comes off flying hours. Is it different for planes, Tova? Or have you forgotten that PS cars have to be paid for whether they’re used or not?
  
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  September 3, 2018 6:29pm
  - godruelf
    
    However no mention of the consumables. Larry Williams was talking a fuel cost of $55K. Way more than a couple of tankfulls in the Limo
    
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    September 3, 2018 7:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Otago Daily Times reckons the Av Fuel alone will be $80,000.
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/pm-defends-80000-nauru-flight
      
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      September 3, 2018 7:44pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      It is not just the cost but saving the planet. Why does she not ask Julia Anne Genter to be a wet nurse for a few days? I would bet Genter would have enough milk for two.
      
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      September 3, 2018 8:50pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      about 50-60000L of fuel which is probably ~50% of cost of operating a near – empty jet.
      
      SLG cares so damned much about the environment it hurts.
      
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      September 3, 2018 9:43pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Not to mention the Minister for Chulled Poviddy has given no thought to how many pairs of shoes or school lunches could be bought for the extra she’s billing the taxpayer for.
        Will no one think of the children?
        
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        September 3, 2018 11:59pm
Nostradamus

Strong start for Māori Language Strategy submissions

Māori Development Minister Hon Nanaia Mahuta is heartened by the level of public response to the Crown’s draft Māori language strategy, just one month after its launch. The goal to have one million New Zealanders speaking basic te reo Māori by 2040 has captured the nation’s interest.

Kiwiblog’s Māori language specialist, DigNap15, will be delighted to know that he’s helping Nanaia with her 20-year Māori language strategy!
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September 3, 2018 4:06pm
- Jack5
  
  Nostra, with all the learn-Maori bullshit being pushed down our throats by Fairfax’s Stuff newspapers, you surely don’t think it possible that someone is paying the chain to promote Maori language?
  
  Our newspapers have nearly always been open about the demarcation between editorial and advertising.
  
  But the propaganda push is so blatant in the Stuff newspapers that I’ve begun to wonder.
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:29pm
  - itstricky
    
    learn-Maori bullshit being pushed down our throats by Fairfax’s Stuff newspapers
    
    Oh you poor thing. Being forced to read those terrible terrible news sources that apparently, no one in their right minds would go anywhere near anyway.
    
    Is it the police who are doing it, or do they send Stuff employees round to your house?
    
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    September 3, 2018 4:50pm
    - Jack5
      
      You’re right, Itstricky, we don’t have to buy the newspapers.
      
      Still, the sudden editorial interest in pushing readers into Maori language is interesting. It’s paralleled with a lot of “old white men” bashing.
      
      Suggests Stuff, or perhaps a frustrated Fairfax, has brought in a marketing genius who is realigning the newspapers’ target markets. If so, it hasn’t yet led to any lift in advertising, or halted the decline in paid subscriptions.
      
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      September 3, 2018 5:11pm
      - itstricky
        
        we don’t have to buy the newspapers
        
        Glad you agree that being pushed down our throats was hyperbole.
        
        It’s paralleled with a lot of “old white men” bashing
        
        Is it? Give me an example.
        
        If so, it hasn’t yet led to any lift in advertising, or halted the decline in paid subscriptions
        
        Why do you care? As I wrote above, I thought everyone who was anyone hated the MSM anyway?
        
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        September 3, 2018 5:47pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes I’m hoping that Nanaia can help me fill in some of the Maori words I cant find.
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:38pm
  - Longknives
    
    Is there a Maori word for shagging your Cousin?
    
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    September 3, 2018 4:42pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Something to do with “whanau” (family) and “aroha” (love)?
      
      Actually the Maori Dictionary helps us:
      
      1. (noun) incest.
      E pai ana te moe i tō tuahine, engari kaua tō tuahine ake – he ngau whiore kē tērā (PK 2008:521). / It’s alright to marry your cousin, but not your sister – that’s incest.
      
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      September 3, 2018 4:47pm
  - itstricky
    
    Yes I’m hoping that Nanaia can help me fill in some of the Maori words I cant find.
    
    As I’ve pointed out before – no need to ask Nanaia, Google will help you. You just need to spend a little time getting to know it just a smidgen better.
    
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    September 3, 2018 4:51pm
Jack5

Better keep an eye on this one for a potential future entry in your Gropers’ collection, Morrissey …

Liu Qiangdong, the Chinese internet billionaire also known as Richard Liu, has been involved in an incident in Minnesota at which sexual assault is alleged to have occurred. The police haven’t yet decided whether to bring charges.

Liu was named recently as the host of a party in Sydney at which a sexual assault allegedly occurred. Liu wasn’t accused of any wrongdoing or charged with an offence from this incident, but he unsuccessfully tried to have his name suppressed from reports about the party.

Liu founded JD.com, one of China’s leading e-commerce sites. He graduated with a sociology degree from the People’s University of China, which has links with China’s political elite.

JD.com in a statement has said Liu was “falsely accused” in the Minnesota incident.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/liu-qiangdong-ceo-of-chinese-tech-giant-jd-com-in-sex-assault-probe-20180903-p501c9.html
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September 3, 2018 4:25pm
- rangitoto
  
  Morrissey can add Bishop Charles H. Ellis III feeling up Ariana Grande at Aretha Franklin’s funeral.
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:31pm
- sooty
  
  Someone had better introduce him to the NZ Labour party. Fit right in he will.
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:32pm
  - Longknives
    
    Ariana Grande is a Girl Sooty!
    So I don’t think Labour is his scene…
    
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    September 3, 2018 5:32pm
nasska

I’m pleased to see that DPF’s advertisers now include stelly.com.au . The bodysuits are joy to behold, the free freight is a drawcard & the model is hard to fault.

But I doubt that they have anything that would fit me. 🙂
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September 3, 2018 4:39pm
- Longknives
  
  Dammit I’m still getting asked if I want to go on a Gay cruise or date a Moustachioed ‘Heavy Metal’ man?..
  
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  September 3, 2018 4:44pm
  - itstricky
    
    You do know the ads are personally targeted, don’t you?
    
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    September 3, 2018 4:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Must have had a ‘friend’ using his computer…
      
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      September 3, 2018 4:49pm
    - Longknives
      
      Well I do enjoy Heavy Metal itstricky- Sabbath,Maiden and Priest!
      
      Hang on- Judas Priest? Hmmm..
      
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      September 3, 2018 4:50pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  What ads?
  
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  September 3, 2018 5:42pm
nasska

“WE’RE APPEALING” …..well, not really Bob & that’s your problem!

The High Court has delivered a judgement which upholds the Charities Board’s decision to de-register Family First as a charity & McCoskrie the Mad has his tits in a tangle.

How dare the Court hinder the work of the organisation which knows so well how everyone else should live their lives.

http://bobmccoskrie.com/?p=22546#sthash.xjlX8Qv0.dpbs
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September 3, 2018 5:25pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  It’s interesting to analyse Bob McCoskrie’s press release:
  
  The High Court has stated at paragraph [74] of its judgment that Family First’s “…core purpose of promoting the traditional family unit cannot be shown to be in the public benefit in the charitable sense under the Act.”
  …
  Family First does not accept the High Court’s analysis or its conclusions. [Bob’s emphasis]
  
  Furthermore:
  1. Family First’s core purposes are different and wider than that described by the High Court.
  …
  
  So Bob apparently thinks that Family First is a charity because its members (given the opportunity) would interfere in many aspects of our lives – not just in relation to “the traditional family unit”. In other words, the more you want to interfere in someone else’s life, the more charitable you are.
  
  The Court of Appeal judges have something to look forward to!
  
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  September 3, 2018 5:48pm
  - nasska
    
    “The traditional family unit” is used for window dressing Nostra……much along the line of “will no one think of the children” favoured by insane dogooders everywhere. Their real purpose is to return NZ to the religion saturated 50s.
    
    But I too sympathise with the Appeal Court judges who will have to listen to the shit. If I was rostered on for the trial I reckon I’d pull a sickie! 🙂
    
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    September 3, 2018 5:55pm
    - realityczech
      
      To give some balance, is the anti family activist hate group – Woman’s Refuge – considered a charity?
      
      Yes.
      
      “Women’s Refuge is a not-for-profit charitable organisation. Between 50 to 60 percent of our work is funded by government. ”
      
      https://womensrefuge.org.nz/about-us/how-we-are-funded/
      
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      September 3, 2018 6:03pm
      - nasska
        
        According to their website between 50 & 60% of their work is government funded. I guess that they would have charitable status to bludge the balance.
        
        Like many of these organisations (eg the Salvation Army, Greenpeace, the Drug Foundation) few begrudge them a few bob to help carry out the work they do.
        
        What boils my piss is when they use tax free money & even money extorted via taxes to lobby Government.
        
        Lobbying is no more charitable than churches using their charitable status to ram their fairytale shit down everyone’s throats.
        
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        September 3, 2018 6:13pm
      - realityczech
        
        nasska, the work they do?
        
        Sounds like you drank the kool aid on that one. The stuff about protecting women and kids from the hated man-pigs is just the cover story to win sympathy and get the dollars in.
        
        The whole outfit is full of predatory bull dykes preying on vulnerable women. They want the traditional family destroyed as they see it being at the heart of the hated patriarchy.
        
        Anyway you are just an abuser. See for yourself man-pig: http://a1test.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/TypesOfAbuse.pdf
        
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        September 3, 2018 6:21pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”Sounds like you drank the kool aid on that one”….
        
        Perhaps yet in the beginning, at least, they did provide a way out for women & kids trapped in some really dis-functional relationships. Still it didn’t take long for the bull dykes & man haters to take over.
        
        Nearly thirty years ago Mrs Nasska ended up having to sort out one of our daughter’s friends after the loser she was living with started laying into her. The Women’s refuge helped but according to the cook, the anti-male attitude shown was palpable.
        
        I imagine that it would be even worse now.
        
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        September 3, 2018 6:30pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes there are some genuine people there. I have done volunteer work for them. A mixture of angry predatory dykes and good hearted women out to help those in need.
        
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        September 3, 2018 6:54pm
      - GoVege
        
        What I used to find at Women’s Refuge is there were some wonderful lovely women there, but they never seemed to last long…
        I once spoke with a nice but very assertive (even aggressive at times) coordinator who wanted to help families stay together.
        She had just come back from a conference and remarked on how downright scary some of the women there were.
        It would be interesting to see what they are really like these days, but how would you find out?
        
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        September 3, 2018 7:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yep Vege you seem to have a grasp of it.
        
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        September 3, 2018 7:29pm
      - GoVege
        
        RC: that doc you posted about WR is quite accurate.
        Whether you want to believe it or not, a lot of people (not just males) are bullies by nature, and become virtual little Hitlers behind closed doors when their power is not challenged.
        What really gets me though is when you used to find women like this running women’s refuges or research projects into family violence! 🙂
        
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        September 3, 2018 7:31pm
      - GoVege
        
        Says on the news that some Maori want the right to kill and native pigeons.
        This is typical of cultures that live in the past and won’t look at the reality of life now.
        The planet is bursting at the seams….too bad, we can still have 12 kids per family, paid for by others of course.
        Every moa species was killed off…too bad, we wanna eat our traditional delicacies regardless..
        So selfish….
        
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        September 3, 2018 7:42pm
      - realityczech
        
        Vege, that doc is from the WR site. Applying that to either gender you are bound to find they are “abusers”. Even the most gentle of souls. It just depends on how you feelz.
        
        I call bullshit on that.
        
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        September 3, 2018 8:09pm
      - GoVege
        
        RC: Apart from a bit of pinching, pushing and swearing, the rest sounds like abuse.
        But look at the story at the bottom!!
        It says WR helped a couple stay together and improve their relationship…maybe things have changed.
        
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        September 3, 2018 8:55pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      From the Family First About Us page:
      
      Family First NZ has quickly become a household name, advocating for families, and speaking common sense and values on a broad range of family issues in New Zealand. It seeks to promote strong families, marriage, and the value of life, based on principles that have benefited New Zealand for generations.
      
      Damn. I thought we managed to get rid of spurious “common sense” platitudes when Peter Dunne left the building!
      
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      September 3, 2018 6:05pm
MrTips

One less P-lab it would seem:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/106649209/emergency-services-respond-to-fire-in-west-auckland
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September 3, 2018 6:16pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Correct, and the cook seems to have gone up with it.
  Another positive result for the gene pool.
  West Auckland – where else?
  
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  September 3, 2018 7:04pm
  - GoVege
    
    What if this happened in a block of flats?
    
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    September 3, 2018 7:18pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      You mean in a Twitford ‘affordable’ house?
      
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      September 3, 2018 8:07pm
      - GoVege
        
        Exactly!
        
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        September 3, 2018 8:45pm
      - sooty
        
        Darwin, stikes again?
        
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        September 3, 2018 9:25pm
EAD_TWO

I just noticed that at some point recently, Kasparov’s “who’s behind the race mixing agenda” video must have gone viral. It only had around 6-7k views last time I checked, now it’s around 120k❗

https://youtu.be/r2_K5koFGRY

But in the ol classic “do as I say, not what I do”, it is illegal for Jews to marry & race mix with Goyimnin Israel.

They don’t see the hypocrisy as this BBC article shows:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4364633.stm

“Intermarriage and assimilation are the biggest threat to British Jewry right now,” says Rabbi Yitchak Schochet, adviser on family issues to the Chief Rabbi.

Rootless derancination for the Goyim, strong ethnic solidarity for us.

Is it surprising Chutzpah is a Yiddish word?
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September 3, 2018 7:03pm
- realityczech
  
  It seems the age old Jewish- hatred, violence, murder and persecution of the goy is becoming even more extreme in recent times.
  
  They are now openly rounding up those they consider of inferior race and placing them in camps for disposal. Openly gunning down unarmed kids, burning churches and only recently were forced to abandon the Christian Tax.
  
  The Jews have always undermined the goy, but something has changed to allow them to show their contempt for humanity more openly. Measures need to be taken. There needs to be a ban on Jewish immigration until we can figure out what’s going on. We need to build a wall around Israel – nothing in or out.
  
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  September 3, 2018 7:14pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    There needs to be a ban on Jewish immigration until we can figure out what’s going on.
    
    Thats brilliant RC
    
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    September 3, 2018 7:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So Meka Whaitiri won’t be at Parliament tomorrow or for perhaps a couple of weeks..
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/365591/meka-whaitiri-will-not-return-to-parliament-when-it-resumes
I wonder if her Press Secretary will be.
What work will the press secretary be doing?

Geez, are we, the tax-payer getting value for money from this Labour lot?
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September 3, 2018 7:06pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I see the picture in that story erroneously identified Ginny Anderson as the MP for Hutt South.
  
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  September 3, 2018 7:09pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Andersen.
    
    Yep, RNZ journalists wouldn’t know a National MP if they tripped over one.
    
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    September 3, 2018 7:28pm
- waikatogirl
  
  It was reported Meka will be working from her electorate office.
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:51pm
  - sooty
    
    How many are on the islands junket?
    
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    September 3, 2018 9:24pm
starboard

Yes Marama..you actually have to pay for shit, you’re not on the public tit now.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106777942/business-of-former-mp-marama-fox-owes-over-70k
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September 3, 2018 7:23pm
nasska

A study conducted by Otago’s Department of Psychiatry has revealed that the kind of face a woman finds attractive on a man can differ depending on where she is in her menstrual cycle.

For example: if she is ovulating, she is attracted to men with rugged and masculine features. However, if she is menstruating or menopausal, she tends to be more attracted to a man with duct tape over his mouth & a spear lodged in his chest while he is on fire.

No further studies are expected.
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September 3, 2018 7:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Have I related my misadventure with the author of this Ph.D. study?
  Sexual Selection and the Evolution of Human Physique
  http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/xmlui/handle/10063/1297
  
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  September 3, 2018 7:52pm
nasska

….”Female body fat and body weight are critical as energy reserves for gestation, pregnancy and lactation”…..

Maybe so but I’ll stick with my tried & true selection criteria.

No fat chicks! ?
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September 3, 2018 8:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh relax folks…
No confrontation in Parliament, after all
… Just an unwitnessed event in Gizzy…

Alleged incident between suspended minister Meka Whaitiri and staffer did not take place at Parliament
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118596
whew…
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September 3, 2018 8:34pm
- realityczech
  
  Are we allowed to ask what happened, or has there been another police enforced gag order?
  
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  September 3, 2018 8:42pm
sooty

Has Mike been busy spitting out press releases.
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September 3, 2018 9:21pm
starboard

We know, don’t we…we know who is responsible for this latest violent robbery. I see the media don’t let on anymore the race of the filth.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118608
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September 3, 2018 9:47pm
- fernglas
  
  I didn’t realise there were three Muslims in Hastings
  
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  September 3, 2018 10:03pm
starboard

Explaining means losing chompers…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=197773
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September 3, 2018 9:55pm
RF

What a bloody liar.

I’m so tired of the stupid idiot girl we have for a PM trying to justify her junket flight.

Those wankers on the left are just an embarrisment and nothing but scum….
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September 3, 2018 10:05pm
simpleton1

The money sent for Iranian nuclear peace is re surfacing.

Iran has given ballistic missiles to Shi’ite proxies in Iraq and is developing the capacity to build more. ….
…. embarrass France, Germany and the United Kingdom, the three European signatories to the nuclear deal, as they have been trying to salvage the agreement despite new U.S. sanctions against Tehran. …..
……. putting Saudi Arabia’s capital Riyadh or the Israeli city of Tel Aviv within striking distance. ….
…….. Iranian sources and one Iraqi intelligence source said a decision was made some 18 months ago to use militias to produce missiles in Iraq, but activity had ramped up in the last few months, including with the arrival of missile launchers. …..
…..difficult for the Iraqi government to stop or persuade the groups to go against Tehran.
“We can’t restrain militias from firing Iranian rockets because simply the firing button is not in our hands, it’s with Iranians who control the push button,” …..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-iraq-missiles-exclusive/exclusive-iran-moves-missiles-to-iraq-in-warning-to-enemies-idUSKCN1LG0WB
Plane load of money for the “Iranian people” and pieces of paper from Obama’s nuclear deal for “peace in our time”.
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September 4, 2018 1:35am
slightlyrighty

MSM: “Look at the money that Simon Bridges has spent tripping around the country! Have you ever seen anything like this?”

Jacinda: “Hold my Beer……..”
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