General Debate 30 September 2018

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duggledog

Hannah McQueen – a financial adviser – says a Capital Gains tax shouldn’t be so bad:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107391934/capital-gains-tax-would-not-hold-back-property-investment

My god. People pay this woman for advice?

It’s not just the CGT, it’s all the other disincentives Cullen and Cindy are going to install.

Their end game is simply to make owning more than one house not worth it, by piling on extra costs and regulations to the point landlords give up and invest in the stock market. (Which will crash sooner rather than later).

All so that people PIs with ten kids and one average income can afford a house. That’s all there is to it.
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September 30, 2018 8:02am
- artemisia
  
  …. landlords give up and invest in the stock market….
  
  One of our clients sold 4 city fringe rentals this month. Our business has worked on them for more than a decade and they had already been owned well before that. Another rental, different client, also city fringe, goes on the market this week and we have a work plan for a fourth in time to go on the market early 2020. The latter also a different client, also city fringe. All 6 are high end properties.
  
  Our business is very small so indicative if not definitive in the wider market.
  
  Most landlords (over 80%) own one or two rentals. They are more likely to get spooked than larger investors, so some will sell up. It is probable that they are somewhat risk averse so might not move sale proceeds into equities. They may however decide to spend up their hard earned capital gain and stop being cobbler’s children by doing up their own house.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:32am
  - Chris R
    
    Artemesia: There is certainly gloom in the market. I have a client who had three investment properties as recently June. He has sold all of them to first home buyers, taken the proceeds and moved to Oz. I suspect he won’t be the last…not that Oz even resembles a tax haven, but at least it is away from this lot posing as a responsible government. I detest these pricks in the CoL.
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:36am
    - peterwn
      
      Ah! but this is the intended outcome of the regime – more houses (at a slightly softer price) will become available to renters who are prospective first home buyers. Never mind that fewer people would then occupy the dwellings in question, or that new builds will be marginally discouraged.
      
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      September 30, 2018 10:15am
- Chris R
  
  Dog; This woman is an idiot. All a CGT does is tax inflationary gains. Anyone with half a brain knows that inflation reduces the value of static money yet now we are to be taxed for owning it. I predict that should these pricks wangle a second term then we’ll get a deep and nasty CGT with no appreciable reduction in other taxes. For Cullen/Robertson to say they are looking for a tax neutral regime is a staggering lie even by their lack of honesty. If it was to deliver a tax neutral outcome then why do it other than to flounce about using the word “fair” which is intended to attract the votes of morons. I detest these pricks in the CoL. Simon Bridges ought be screaming loudly that any changes to NZ’s tax regime brought about by the CoL will be extinguished…before lunchtime, in fact before breakfast.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:46am
  - VicParking
    
    He has
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:56am
  - KevOB
    
    There is rightfully gloom however I have a client who is actively buying. He is a joiner so is well able to fix up an uninhabitable place. Secures long term tenants and believes his rents will sustain interest rate hikes. If he has to sell one he reckons the value he has added will cover his risk.
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:16am
    - burt
      
      So people with a bit of capital will do well under these Labour policies.
      
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      September 30, 2018 11:10am
      - KevOB
        
        NO. He had bought very well previously and his skill had transformed one place. Leveraging off unrealised gains is risky and having a bank put up the whole of the price on a fixed term mortgage is super risky. Working capital NIL is not for the faint hearted.
        
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        September 30, 2018 2:25pm
  - marcw
    
    Cullen/Robertson will keep all other taxes at the same level as it will take at least 3 or more years before any significant returns are made via a CGT. Their excuse will be they need the income from current taxes until then, and by the time (if) any CGT income is realised, they hope the losers* will have forgotten.
    
    * Labour, Green and NZF voters.
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:16am
    - Chris R
      
      marew: Yes I recall Goff having difficulty predicting when money would flow through a CGT in the 2011 election campaign. His bumbling b/s led to the glorious “Show me the money!” moment which may have cost the fool the election. Speaking of Goff, as long as he is mayor of Auckland the CoL will not lighten the load of taxes for Aucklanders despite Robertson hinting at an income tax reduction in the next election year. There is no reason why NZ ought be in a state of economic garbage currently other than the nonsense being generated by the CoL and its cronies. I detest these pricks!
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:25am
      - Ruahine
        
        Goff certainly knows where to find the money now.
        However there is also little to show for it.
        
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        September 30, 2018 9:39am
  - peterwn
    
    The key point that Robbo needs to be hammered on is the CGT is a pseudo wealth tax unless the inflation aspect of the capital gain is excluded. Also the ‘rich’ includes investment funds including Kiwisaver funds so a large number of Kiwis will be exposed to a CGT and pseudo wealth tax, not just rich fat cats.
    Hopefully in 2020 someone will hammer this point at each and every Wellington Central election meeting.
    
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    September 30, 2018 10:20am
    - KevOB
      
      Having had to do valuations on unquoted business interests for revenue purposes CGT should be avoided like the plague. I am sure Departmental advisors would have told the COL why we don’t have such if asked.
      
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      September 30, 2018 2:31pm
- Harkman
  
  Prior to this nobody knew who Hannah McQueen was but now she will forever be know as a moron.
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:50am
  - KevOB
    
    She’s no moron: she’s in the business of setting up the low deposit leveraged schemes she advocates. She gets the fees the clients take the risks.
    
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    September 30, 2018 2:35pm
- Dave Mann
  
  ….. and now, a statement from the New Zealand National Party…. oh wait….
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:18am
stephieboy

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This caught my eye at Unity books yesterday ,

The Beautiful Poetry of Donald Trump

Comment,

He gets verse: the poetry of Donald Trump

The US president’s almost primal language is a source of widespread amusement and horror. But some have begun exploring its aesthetic power

I know words … I have the best words,” Donald Trump once declared with his usual, braggadocious aplomb. For once, he may be right. Dreaded by transcribers and translators worldwide, Trump wields his lively, if limited, vocabulary like a rubber hammer; this is a man who uses “schlong” as a verb and whose babbling is too frequently leapt upon by pundits and despairing lexicographers: bigly, covfefe, the aforementioned braggadocious.
But like his fellow wordsmith Shakespeare, Trump has produced a remarkable burst of something like poetry. There is Hart Seely’s Bard of the Deal, a 2015 book of poetry compiled from interviews, speeches, and tweets; at least two different collections called Make Poetry Great Again (one in Norwegian); and the forthcoming Bigly: Donald Trump in Verse by Cheers writer Rob Long. He has also inspired others to verse: A Hundred Limericks for a Hundred Days of Trump, Trumpetry, and the self-published Shit My President Says Poetry.

The latest collection of Trumpian verse is The Beautiful Poetry of Donald Trump, by McSweeney’s writer Rob Sears. Consider:

I am the best1
I predicted Apple’s stock would fall2
I will build a great, great wall3
I build buildings that are 94 stories tall4
My hands – are they small?5

Deep metaphysical stuff open to various interpretations and meanings. A must to put under the Christmas trees as a booby gift, or Birthday present,

https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2017/sep/01/he-gets-verse-the-poetry-of-donald-trump
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September 30, 2018 8:05am
- pentwig
  
  stupidboy
  goodgrief, what a poor sad idiot you are
  my sympathies
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:35am
- Harkman
  
  What is concerning is how four people have given you the thumbs up tick.
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:48am
  - holysheet
    
    All part of the stoooooopidboy enclave.
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:52am
- softail 1450
  
  septicboy,KBs biggest fuckwit.
  
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  September 30, 2018 1:27pm
DigNap15

Daylight saving today.
Don’t forget to put your clocks forward (if you still have any!)
Good to see the GD up and on time at 8am!
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September 30, 2018 8:09am
- holysheet
  
  Unless you’re a Muslim. In that case you would have needed to wind yours forward 700 years.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:38am
  - burt
    
    You’d tell your 9 year old bride to wind it back .
    
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    September 30, 2018 11:11am
  - lilman
    
    Holysheet ,very funny,great comment and so true.
    
    Muslims are the shit of the religious world.
    
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    September 30, 2018 11:12am
- VicParking
  
  And on the right day
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:58am
DigNap15

Does anyone know when the next political party opinion poll will be out.
I wonder if the COL shenagins will have made any difference (I doubt it)
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September 30, 2018 8:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The COL shenanigans will be cancelled out by Queen Cindy’s happy holiday in New York.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:13am
  - Paulus
    
    I see that she hired a top US Publicity Company to take photos of her and the babeee.
    Taxpayer pays of course.
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:21am
    - krazykiwi
      
      She says the work, paid for by taxpayers, will also be used for campaigning. Incredible.
      
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      September 30, 2018 8:31am
    - igm
      
      Was the gigolo out hawking his dork as you failed to mention him in the photo shoot?
      
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      September 30, 2018 8:46am
    - KevOB
      
      That sounds like a matter for the Auditor General.
      Her lifestyle and electioneering is solely her personal expense.
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:19am
duggledog

Stephie, Trump will get 2 terms. Unlike our shambles of a Government.

The unprecedented price of gasoline is damaging the Joke Government more than a dozen Currans, ten Haumahas and a brace of Whaitiris ever could.

I shouldn’t, but I am taking great delight in pointing out the rapidly accelerating costs of staples – plus the new taxes moving inexorably closer – to my friends and colleagues who I know support Jacinda and co.

National’s campaign going into the next G.E. should include full-page adverts comparing costs of everyday purchases before Cindy took over, to what they are at the ballot.

One item at a time, iwi / kiwi style.

Butter – $4.40 in 2017… Butter – $10.00 in 2020.

One thing you can always count on. Labour Governments are always – always – very inflationary. But those who can hang on also always find green pastures at the end of the cycle and in this way, dynasties become ever richer, while the poorest become ever poorer.
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September 30, 2018 8:11am
- stephieboy
  
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  duggledog, I suppose we will have to be using wheelbarrow loads of money to by the said butter (including marge ) as in it is said in Weimer Germany.
  
  Petrol price rises mean hard times for Petrolheads and their V8s/V12s?
  
  Very sad!
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:23am
  - stigie
    
    Incoherent !!
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:48am
  - igm
    
    Stephiewimp: I have a few toys and can afford to run them, unlike the scum you represent, who drive-off without paying, siphon out of neighbours’ cars, and generally whinge about the cost. Suppose you drive a Prius or some other type of socialist inspired shitheap!
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:48am
    - stephieboy
      
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      igm , Prius a shitheap???
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:04am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Yes !!!!
        
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        September 30, 2018 9:12am
      - Harkman
        
        Tell us Ralph, how much is our average standard of living down since the election last year in USD?
        
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        September 30, 2018 9:56am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Question marks????
        
        Apple strudel????
        
        Coalition of losers???
        
        Death of socialism????
        
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        September 30, 2018 12:44pm
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy, i seriously hope you don’t drive ,I’d hate to meet a mad fucker like you coming down the road towards me,especially if there are any underage girls on the footpath.
        
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        September 30, 2018 1:31pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Remember the “good” days when the NZ /US Dollar was below 40cents? That was in the middle of a Labour term. Imagine the price of petrol if that happens again? Yes it’s #wetoo – pissing our money against the wall for fuck all.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:55am
  - DigNap15
    
    Our dollar is heading downwards.
    As our wages and therefore our exports become higher, then our dollar has to become lower to compensate.
    And a lower dollar means higher petrol prices right away, and online shopping right away.
    Whiteware and TVs a bit later.
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:06am
    - Paulus
      
      Whiteware TVs etc are currently continuing to go down with Specials – that is because the Cash Flow of the biggies is still falling and staff are getting worried for their jobs.
      Once the existing stocks are gone – soon, then the new prices will come into play under some disguise.
      But people buying now will not go again on higher prices irrespective of the gloss on the new?? products.
      
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      September 30, 2018 11:37am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Do you mean the weak dollar that was happening at the same time as the housing crisis started under the Helen Clark government? My first house was purchased 2000 and sold in 2004 for 50% gain. The housing crisis didn’t start in 2008 and finish in 2017 like many low IQ people conveniently believe. It started under the reign of Helen ‘7 rentals’ Clark.
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:23am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Although we had fully renovated, we sold in 2005 for a very nice increase. There had been talk for some years house prices would fall and that finally hit in 2008.
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:38am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Filled my Landcruiser with petrol yesterday – $193.
  Superannuation for me is $477 per fortnight. Guess I better start walking
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:14am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Or stop eating!
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:29am
  - Colville
    
    Steve. I have a big Toyota too…i fill it twice as week usually. It hurts.
    
    I am in Italy at the mo’…. low octane benzine is 1.65 euro a liter….. so nearly $3 a l !
    
    Glad I rented a lil opel 1.4 shit box 🙂
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:31am
  - holysheet
    
    Oh you poor bugger.
    For your super to be THAT low, your other income must be around 150-200,000K
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:34am
    - stigie
      
      That’s “rich prick” territory..?
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:45am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      My partner and I still work. Point is, if we both retire we cant afford to live the current lifestyle. No Landcruiser, no caravan, no boats, no overseas holidays. The Govt will slowly milk out nest egg. Fuck them.
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:50am
- Viking2
  
  Yep and that’s why you don’t sell your rentals. Wait till Simon removes the CGT and sell them then.
  
  There is a huge surge in for sale listings with the time to sell moving out about 10 days in Auckland.
  With all the builds going on, especially towers there will be glut before long.
  Entirely predictable.
  Here some builders starting to look for the next job and builders now selling their own new homes here in Tauranga.
  
  There’s a good reason twatfordphilly isn’t building houses. He has realised that there is a change in the demand now that they are letting bad tenants back into state houses. And frankly I would rather they did than private landlords carried the scum.
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:54am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Most builders are still very busy though, Viking.
    My son is booked up well into 2020 – has has turned down a couple of jobs, and passed them on to builder mates.
    
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    September 30, 2018 3:36pm
artemisia

Goodness me, a long interview on National Radio this morning that includes the terms ‘productivity’, ‘costs’ and ‘benefits’ (and not just the welfare kind).

From National Radio’s website (audio is shown as posted on the site but returns an error message, I will post link once it works) –

”A new report has looked into whether taxpayers are getting value for the tax dollars spent. The New Zealand Initiative has looked at productivity compared to how much money the government spends on core sectors such as education and health. The author of Fit for Purpose? Are Kiwis Getting the Government They Pay For is senior research fellow Dr Bryce Wilkinson.”
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September 30, 2018 8:14am
- artemisia
  
  Bryce Wilkinson interview audio now working – 16 minutes long – a good listen.
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018664726/bryce-wilkinson-are-our-tax-dollars-being-well-spent
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:40am
  - flipper
    
    Bryce is very, very good.
    Robertson, Cullen, Peters, Ardern et al are shit.
    
    The fact is that Fraser House now runs the economy. NOT #1 The Terrace. Until that changes back we will continue our downward spiral.
    
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    September 30, 2018 10:09am
Happychappy

So now the Taxpayer is paying out to keep Jacinda relevant when overseas and giving Labour the chance to use her Photos and world fame in future elections, so virtually what is happening is we are about to see the money spent to portray her image on her trips used to get a election win in 2020.
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September 30, 2018 8:16am
- waikatogirl
  
  Good luck with that. ?
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:23am
- Evadne
  
  Narcissism, thy name is Jacinda.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:34am
Lee C

The Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern has hired a firm in New York to shoot campaign footage, and to use material to which the Herald has been denied access.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12134068

So those injunctions against filming the child, are essentially for copyright protection, not for the protection of the child’s privacy.
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September 30, 2018 8:17am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  But it comes out of the Leaders budget, so that’s money already spent and that makes everything a-ok.
  No idea how much it cost – how very Labour.
  If someone else is paying there is no need to bother looking at the price tag.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:30am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    That’s how the bastards run the Country
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:17am
- Evadne
  
  That photo in the Herald is weird. It’s not very good (especially given its supposed to come from a ‘top agency’). Yet it looks completely staged.
  
  Who would put a 3-month old facing OUT in a stroller, completely shielded from parent’s view? Especially when walking through a busy foreign city!
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:55am
  - VicParking
    
    All’s ok when you have four bodyguards walking out of shot
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:06am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And she’s in her slippers again.
    
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    September 30, 2018 10:16am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Mallard is on his way over, first class, to give them a right royal ticking off!
  
  They must be trembling in their boots . . . . .
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:09am
- KevOB
  
  Campaign expenditure is purely personal and may have to be proven to be. Is she getting in early before deadlines over limits?
  
  I think Ardern has a generally dishonest personality.
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:24am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  If Labour crash in the polls in the lead up to the next election, is anyone out there willing to bet that a hastily prepared wedding will be used to send the country in to gushing mess about Jacinda again?
  
  Didn’t think so!
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:59am
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The annals of White crime in New Zealand will resume tomorrow!
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September 30, 2018 8:18am
- Swifty
  
  Who in the real world actually cares?
  
  DUH!
  
  LOL!
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:33am
  - stephieboy
    
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    You may not realise it but White people do commit horrendous crimes!
    
    Agreed!
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:45am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Are you a complete ejit, or is it just a trick of the light?
      Who ever said that white people don’t commit crime?
      Do you have a point, or is this just a continuation of your losing struggle for relevance?
      
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      September 30, 2018 8:52am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        He has a slit that goes from the back of his neck, to the top of his legs because:
        He is a complete 100% ass hole.
        
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        September 30, 2018 2:06pm
    - KevOB
      
      But do they have someone executed with a machete over a mana offence when they only got 60c for the $US instead of 65c at the local store?
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:28am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Is there a point to that?
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:34am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Shaun the Sheep, is there a point to” Murri” crime watch?
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:51am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Not in my opinion, but why are you trying to battle pointlessness with pointlessness?
      
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      September 30, 2018 8:54am
      - stephieboy
        
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        All in the interests of fairness and balance.
        
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        September 30, 2018 8:59am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Fool
        
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        September 30, 2018 8:59am
    - KevOB
      
      If you count your sheep in the paddock there will be one missing in the morning. Trickery is culturally endemic among some nations.
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:31am
  - KevOB
    
    Murder over 5c because a chief was offended.
    
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    September 30, 2018 2:36pm
- DigNap15
  
  Are you struggling to find some?
  My Maori vocab lesson will resume today
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    DiNap15 , there are aplenty as you must know.
    
    Be patient!
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:46am
- igm
  
  What about the filthy crimes being committed by your Islam brothers in NZ?
  If we look at numbers convicted and charged, then work out percentages, they are as bad, if not worse than Murri.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    igm. as I mentioned a White crime watch will resume tomorrow.
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:03am
    - VicParking
      
      Morning Stephie. How are the goats, the wife and life in general. Remember “Allah is pleased with a shepherd of goats who calls to prayer at the peak of a mountain, and offers prayer,” away you go ??
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:07am
      - igm
        
        Bet this wanker’s wife is a male goat.
        
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        September 30, 2018 9:21am
- softail 1450
  
  septicboy, i seriously hope you don’t drive ,I’d hate to meet a mad fucker like you coming down the road towards me,especially if there are any underage girls on the footpath.
  
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  September 30, 2018 1:43pm
duggledog

Artemisia

Everyone knows about a third of the tax haul is wasted by Government. Problem for Socialist New Zealand is that if you reduce the size of the bureaucracy, unemployment would be off the charts.

As I like to ask my contemporaries ‘how many people do you know that produce anything for sale offshore?’ Generally silence.
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  duggledog, nationalisation and collectivisation of Agriculture and key industries on the cards?
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:25am
  - freethinker
    
    Venezuela here we come.
    
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    September 30, 2018 8:57am
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      freethinker, delusion watch today?
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:00am
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        I think you’ve been watching Rachel Maddow again.
        
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        September 30, 2018 9:59am
secondcumming

Two parrots sitting on a perch.
One says to the other, “Can you smell fish?”
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September 30, 2018 8:20am
Happychappy

Where are Peters, Jones and the other cronies from NZ First going to aquire the Funds from to buy back Kiwibank and other policies that they pushing at their conference.
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September 30, 2018 8:27am
- VicParking
  
  By using the new ‘Winston Dollar’
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:14am
- rangitoto
  
  WTF. Kiwibank is 100% owned by the Government or it’s agencies.
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:19am
  - burt
    
    And while all the other banks have record profits pretty much every year the state owned bank continues to need tax payers money to keep it’s dwindling branch network open.
    
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    September 30, 2018 11:18am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    That doesn’t matter. They will still use our money to buy it back. Andrew Little is organising the event as we speak. $26,000 for an MC, ….
    
    Oh? we don’t need none? Doesn’t matter….. it’s #wetoo – pissing away other peoples money – Silly Little Cindy said so to the cleaners at the UN…
    
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    September 30, 2018 1:13pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    There, see how successful they’ve been!
    All in a weekend’s work for Winston & Co.
    
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    September 30, 2018 5:38pm
- Niz
  
  They’ll use the money they get from the sale of Kiwibank.
  
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  September 30, 2018 3:01pm
Fletch

Posted this on GD late last night, but here it is again –

Check it out – Christine Blasey Ford, and Peter Sztrok – notice any similarities?

https://www.facebook.com/DroppingTruthBombs/posts/2283292008565726

Looks like the both possessed by the same spirit.
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September 30, 2018 8:32am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Definitely click that link, If you think Ford was flakey, that will confirm it.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:57am
- Chuck Bird
  
  FYI
  
  https://usareally.com/1497-shocking-truth-on-kavanaugh-s-accuser-christine-blasey-ford-s-high-school-yearbooks
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:12am
  - gump
    
    “USAReally is based in Moscow and has received funding from the Federal News Agency, a Russian media conglomerate with ties to the Internet Research Agency, the “troll farm” whose employees were indicted by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, for interfering in the 2016 presidential election.”
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/technology/usareally-russian-news-site-propaganda.html
    
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    September 30, 2018 1:54pm
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      Those snowflakes really lap up the Russkie propaganda.
      
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      September 30, 2018 2:01pm
- Doubledimp
  
  I am all for holding sexual predators to account, but these women want to burn the magna carta and avoid due process in the interests of their own version of justice.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:59pm
krazykiwi

Crime in multi-story car parks.
It’s wrong on so many different levels.
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September 30, 2018 8:33am
Fletch

Students upset about waiting list times for mental health care.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/367462/students-around-nz-echo-mental-health-care-concerns

Um, I have to say, what business is it of a university to supply mental health care for students? I thought students were there to learn? If they have problems, let them see their local GP or health provider.
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September 30, 2018 8:37am
- VicParking
  
  Stop smoking pot for a start
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:19am
- Psycho Milt
  
  If it bothers you that much, start with the beam in your own eye and rail against universities providing chaplaincy services.
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:56am
- GoVege
  
  “What business is it….”?
  Perhaps because students are young people at a vitally important stage of their lives…and we have very high suicide rates here?
  Where’s your Christian compassion??
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:44am
- SGA
  
  If they have problems, let them see their local GP or health provider.
  
  The current system is probably practical. The local GPs in Dunedin, Palmerston North, and Central Wellington, say, would be swamped if the thousands of students involved suddenly turned to them. And, of course, it would just be for the times that classes were running and the students were in town – if the local GPs expanded to meet that demand, there would be a lot of idle hands over significant chunks of the year. Current system seem to make sense?
  
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  September 30, 2018 12:30pm
DigNap15

Todays Maori Vocab lesson, inspired by a post on the GD last night.
Its Enlightened.
You guessed it – not in either of my dictionaries!
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  māramatanga
  1. (noun) enlightenment, insight, understanding, light, meaning, significance, brainwave.
  
  etc, etc
  
  http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=enlighten
  
  Next?
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:55am
  - DigNap15
    
    Another loan word I see!
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:08am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      If loan words are an indication of inferiority, English must be a contender for most inferior language currently in use.
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:52am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Japanese would give English a run for its money when it comes to transliteration of English technical terms and use of loan words (99% of English origin).
        
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        September 30, 2018 10:08am
  - VicParking
    
    I’m sure that when Cook meet the first maori, he or she (as they were gender neutral) said:
    ko to koutou taenga mai hei whakamarama ki to tatou iwi.
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:24am
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      “your coming will be an enlightenment to our people”
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:24am
- Nookin
  
  Talking of enlightenment, DigNap, is there any particular point to your series of English concepts not found in the Maori dictionary?
  Perhaps we should explore the number of words in the English dictionary with which the average person is conversant and which satisfies their communication needs on a daily basis? Probably around 10 %.
  As Psycho says, English has filched more words probably than any other language.
  
  What’s your point? Seems to me to be as daft as Stephie’s annals of white crime.
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:24am
krazykiwi

HDPA wrote :

Also, she couldn’t help that all the international media wanted to talk about was her being a mum.

But it meant Ardern had little room to do what she needed to for her own profile back home.

Bluntly, I don’t give a shit about her profile back home.

I care deeply about our country having good governance, about open and transparent decision making, about wise leadership and about the future of New Zealand.

Ardern’s profile has no bearing on any of these things.
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September 30, 2018 8:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  NZ prime ministers have been travelling overseas to benefit their political fortunes at homes since, forever.
  
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  September 30, 2018 2:05pm
holysheet

Reports of a Beluga whale in Wellington harbour have been proved false, when it was revealed that it was just Megan Wood having a morning dip.
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September 30, 2018 8:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  When she got into trouble swimming, Gerry Brownlee jumped in to assist, prompting a tsunami warning.
  
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  September 30, 2018 2:06pm
duggledog

Stephie boy

How typical of you to laugh at poor people. The increase in gas prices and associated prices of everything that relies on fossil fuels to make or transport is already dealing a blow to the average kiwi household budget.

But wait till interest rates rise, as foreign lenders realise NZ is being run like Greece was back in the day.
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September 30, 2018 8:40am
- Harkman
  
  Ha, so true the year after an oil spike NZ always has a slowdown. Funny thing, I have a windows tablet (just in case my laptop dies as a backup) and I opened it up two days ago and on the MSN news page had a link to a Yahoo News article with a pic of Cindy titled “The Kiwi Dollar on a tear” or something. The NZD is now only 66c. It was obviously a leftwing propaganda piece. I couldn’t believe how in accurate it was.
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:11am
- KevOB
  
  Excise taxes on tobacco & cigs are also striking at the poor with addictions. Only one packet/day is over $200/week.
  
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  September 30, 2018 12:05pm
Komata

KK

Aaah, but it does with the UN…

We are but stepping stones…
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September 30, 2018 8:46am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yeah, what is it with Labour PM’s?
  
  A successful election (or in Jacinda’s case unexpected appointment) appears not to be the start of leadership, but rather the start of campaigning for an altogether larger trough.
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:21am
Shaun the Sheep

Sanction free welfare for all.
Claiming double and triple benefits?
No problems, here to help, please call again.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/367581/greens-campaign-for-sanction-free-welfare-system

FFS
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September 30, 2018 8:46am
- DigNap15
  
  FFS x2
  Lets all stop working and get a free benefit!
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:09am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Quick, fire up the printing presses, Marama needs more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. She is such a financial Einstein. Marama has now definitely claimed back the c*** word!
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  This Wizard of Id cartoon sums it up well.
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:18am
  - Harkman
    
    Remember those free Obama phones? ?
    
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    September 30, 2018 10:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Talofa

http://www.mpp.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/LanguageWeeks/TuvaluLanguageWeek2018/Tuvalu-2018-Poster.jpg

Manuia te aso
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September 30, 2018 8:56am
duggledog

Lee C – google is your friend.

A quick search reveals Augusto (who did the NY photos of Cindy) also did the NZ Tourism advert that had Jacinda in it.

They will be great mates with Jacinda, very astute to get close to her and keep it all Grey Lynn in-house.

The NY ‘office’ will most likely be someone already living there with a day job and the latest i phone that can execute whatever needs doing. In this case a few photos – total cost, one day ~ $1,500 USD maximum.

Would be interesting to know a cost breakdown. It could be many times that amount.

Augusto looks flash. I’m always suspect of a guy who mows lawns for a living turning up in a brand new $50,000 Hilux.
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September 30, 2018 9:20am
- Colville
  
  What kind of hilux can you get for 50K? a boring 2wd model? a flash one $65k!
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:40am
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    basic 4wd hilux under 50 k ,flat deck ,wind up windows etc.
    
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    September 30, 2018 2:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh, dear me.

Andrea Vance hasn’t heard the “Be Kind” message:
But there was plenty of chaos going on back home – most of it right in the heart of Ardern’s own Government.

Revelations about Meka Whaitiri’s bruising set-to with her press secretary were by far the most serious. Allegations that enraged by a missed photo call she injured the woman are serious enough for a party whose founding values are standing up for the worker.

But, add to that the unconditional and blind support of employment minister Willie Jackson – without even a cursory examination of the facts.

The overwhelming impression was that the Maori caucus holds too much sway. That, and after just a year in power, the party is happy to abandon its principles for convenience.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107455388/andrea-vance-a-week-of-grubby-politics-in-contrast-to-new-york-performance
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September 30, 2018 9:23am
- Jack5
  
  Did Andrea miss out on an invitation for the PR circus trip to New York?
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:23pm
duggledog

Also very astute to get some of that sweet, sweet video of Cindy and Clarke and Neve, to be used when Augusto inevitably gets to make a feature length documentary called ‘My Year With Jacinda’

With that sweet, sweet NZonAir money. Or Film Commission money. Mmmm

Blurgh
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September 30, 2018 9:26am
MrTips

Augusto seem to be VERY proactive, almost like they KNOW whats going to happen?: http://stoppress.co.nz/news/augusto-pulls-together-new-labour-campaign-ad-two-weeks

And they’ve had their feet under the table for a while it would seem. https://twitter.com/AugustoMedia

Ah well, no money like Govt money. But it is odd that most of their clients are are entertainment industry – Cindy’s always been an actress thought hasn’t she?
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September 30, 2018 9:44am
slightlyrighty

https://www.augusto.co.nz/

I see these guys have Jacinda Front and Center on their website.

Are these guys the Ministry of Truth now?
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September 30, 2018 10:08am
Gravelroad

Has anyone else been watching the Ryder Cup golf coverage coming from Paris?
All the screaming and booing in the crowd and the over the top fist pumping and extravagant jumping around by some of the players is getting a bit boring imo.
Let them play golf.
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September 30, 2018 10:10am
- Nookin
  
  The Ryder Cup is the golfing equivalent to vaudeville. It’s showtime!!!! Underneath it all, the rivalry is fierce and parochial. Some of the players seem to thrive —McIlroy especially.
  One thing is emerging. The European tour has some very talented players and the tour is very much under-rated.
  I agree with youmabout booing, though. Why would you boo Finau because he was lucky enough to get a miraculous bounce and end up close to the pin rather than in the lake? .
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:36am
stigie

This has me outraged, the $27000 given to Alison Mau for 2 days work being MC for the Labour Justice Summit.
How the hell can Labour justify that amount of taxpayer money being handed over to one person for very little..?
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September 30, 2018 10:34am
- waikatogirl
  
  It’s ok, only taxpayers money. Plenty more where that comes from. //
  
  I have to say, Alison Mau is mercenary with her charging but she obviously pegged she would get paid out by this lot without question. Good socialist that she is.
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:45am
- rangitoto
  
  Just fill your car’s petrol tank a few times. That will help pay for it.
  
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  September 30, 2018 1:50pm
Nookin

Stigie, it was probably closer to five days work when you take into account the preparation. Maybe there was travel and accommodation. Still, $27,000 seems excessive. And why a media personality?
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September 30, 2018 10:41am
- Komata
  
  Nookin
  
  Why a ‘Media Personality’?
  
  Because she’s one of theirs, and the sistas have to be ‘rewarded’…
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:53am
  - secondcumming
    
    At least Simon saw it coming.
    
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    September 30, 2018 11:18am
  - softail 1450
    
    Komata, Mau was a sitter for the job, a born again lesbian ,man hating feminist dyke.
    
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    September 30, 2018 2:03pm
- Dave Mann
  
  seems excessive
  
  That’s a little bit of an understatement 😀
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:30am
  - Nookin
    
    Just a bit.
    
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    September 30, 2018 3:44pm
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      “Just a bit.”
      
      No way i would call her that !~
      
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      September 30, 2018 5:08pm
Hugh Pavletich

… With rising U.S. mortgage rates and the Australian Banking Royal Commission report … will we start seeing “Irish style’ responsible lending ? …

… With United States mortgage rates lifting …

Housing Market Rolls Over As Mortgage Rates Hit Seven Year High … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-27/us-home-mortgage-rates-hit-seven-year-high

… and following the damning Australian Royal Commission Banking Interim Report released Friday … and contrite and grossly irresponsible infantile Bankers … access extensive reporting …

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=uXmvW6OvAoai-Qa9ga7wDw&q=australian+banking+royal+commission+&oq=australian+banking+royal+commission+&gs_l=psy-ab.12..

… can we now expect to see responsible ‘Irish style’ general mortgage lending capped at 3.5 times annual household incomes ?

Following the 2007 events … subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland (accessible via hyperlink below) found irresponsible high multiple lending was the major reason its Banks went under … requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euros …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures

… At their peak in 2007 average Median Multiples for their major metros was 4.7 (collapsing to 2.8) … today Australia and New Zealand are 5.9 and 5.8 respectively …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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September 30, 2018 10:44am
- Dave Mann
  
  I’ve reported this prick 3 times…. will someone else please help out? It’s the only way to shut him up. Thanks.
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:47am
Hugh Pavletich

… latest IPSOS New Zealand poll … lifting 50% Kiwis major concern excessive housing costs … 24% of Aussies … read on …

New Zealand Issues Monitor – Concerns about housing grow

https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/new-zealand-issues-monitor-concerns-about-housing-grow

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2018-09/2nd_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_september_2018.pdf
New Zealanders’ concerns about housing issues grow, while New Zealanders are also feeling more positive about the Labour-led government compared to last year when National was in power.

New Zealanders have nominated housing (50%) as the most important issue facing the nation in the latest Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor, released today ( 13 September ) . Poverty (32%), healthcare (31%), cost of living (26%) and crime (24%) rounded out the other top concerns.

The Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor regularly asks over 600 New Zealanders to select from a list of 20 issues the ones that they feel are the three most important issues facing the country.

While the top three issues in July 2018 are the same as those seen in February 2018, results have increased for all three, indicating increasing levels of concern. These were: housing (50%, up from 41%), poverty (32%, up from 29%) and healthcare (31%, up from 27%). … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 30, 2018 10:58am
Longknives

$199 to fuel up my Family Truck from empty this morning.
Thank Jacinda!
What’s that? Oh no don’t worry about the Professional Photographer we paid for to pad your CV…
To borrow a quote- ‘It’s On Us!!’

Jacinda Ardern is a fraud of the Highest level- I think she is the most despicable, immoral and corrupt Politician NZ has ever seen…
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September 30, 2018 11:13am
- secondcumming
  
  I don’t think you can hold Jacinda responsible for arranging the Advertising Agency……..that’s got Clarke Gayford written all over it.
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:22am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Is Clarke Gayford lined up to be the star turn for the new Labour RNZTV station?
    
    Proposed title: Man of his own small world takes you fishing
    
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    September 30, 2018 11:51am
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      I’ll take you fishing, waikatogirl. The S.S. Breen is ready to sail whenever you are.
      
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      September 30, 2018 3:15pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Higher price of oil will impact household budgets – can you cope ? … OPINION Economist Shamubeel Eaqub … Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107417968/higher-price-of-oil-will-impact-household-budgets–can-you-cope?cid=app-iPad
  
  OPINION: The price of crude oil has risen sharply. It will increase the cost of living, joining a range of other unavoidable purchases.
  
  For households on lower incomes, the weekly budget just got much harder. It is a good time to look closely at household budgets and seek help if the budget doesn’t balance.
  
  International crude oil prices have risen sharply. Global demand is still rising. Supply is increasing, but not fast. Sanctions on Iran could disrupt supply. It is a mixed bag to say the least.
  
  Rising oil prices, a falling exchange rate and rising taxes have increase the cost of fuelling up. This will affect households and businesses. Transport is deeply embedded in our economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:29am
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    Thanks Hugh for telling it like it is. This govt don’t know what they’re in for.
    
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    September 30, 2018 12:16pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      With rising U.S. mortgage rates and the Australian Banking Royal Commission report … will we start seeing “Irish style’ responsible lending ? …
      
      … With United States mortgage rates lifting …
      
      Housing Market Rolls Over As Mortgage Rates Hit Seven Year High … Zerohedge
      
      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-27/us-home-mortgage-rates-hit-seven-year-high
      
      … and following the damning Australian Royal Commission Banking Interim Report released Friday … and contrite and grossly irresponsible infantile Bankers … access extensive reporting …
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=uXmvW6OvAoai-Qa9ga7wDw&q=australian+banking+royal+commission+&oq=australian+banking+royal+commission+&gs_l=psy-ab.12..
      
      … can we now expect to see responsible ‘Irish style’ general mortgage lending capped at 3.5 times annual household incomes ?
      
      Following the 2007 events … subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland (accessible via hyperlink below) found irresponsible high multiple lending was the major reason its Banks went under … requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euros …
      
      Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
      
      https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
      
      … At their peak in 2007 average Median Multiples for their major metros was 4.7 (collapsing to 2.8) … today Australia and New Zealand are 5.9 and 5.8 respectively …
      
      Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions
      
      http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
      
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      September 30, 2018 12:22pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        A brilliant article … a must read …
        
        I never imagined Russia is making this progress on the agriculture front …
        
        Struggling U.S. Farmers Worry About a Resurgent Russia – WSJ
        … google search title if blocked …
        
        https://www.wsj.com/articles/grain-is-our-oil-russia-is-besting-the-u-s-as-a-wheat-powerhouse-1537719747
        
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        September 30, 2018 2:37pm
- softail 1450
  
  Lonknives ,$100.00 of that was tax ,it’s obscene ……
  
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  September 30, 2018 2:06pm
rangitoto

Musk fined $20 million by SEC and must resign as Tesla Chairman.
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September 30, 2018 11:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I imagine his company will be pleased to see the back end of him…
  https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45696150
  
  (except they won’t….He steps down as Tesla Chairman, but remains CEO)
  
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  September 30, 2018 12:19pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Absolutely not. Having Musk attached to just about any company adds huge amount to value due to his proven ability to incitefully execute new technologies.
    
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    September 30, 2018 1:07pm
    - softail 1450
      
      U N, invariably with other peoples money….
      
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      September 30, 2018 2:09pm
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Ignorant and/or dishonest American sports commentators are an insult to the intelligence

This morning I was watching a bit of college football: Baylor University at Oklahoma. Towards the end of the third quarter, during one of the interminable breaks in the game, the commentators drew attention to a picture of a gleaming locker room, after the Army football team had used it the week before. The picture was captioned: “Leave it how you found it.”

This nifty little P.R. exercise by the Army football team had just the effect they no doubt calculated it would have. Any citizen of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philippines, Cuba, Central America, Iraq, Afghanistan would have reflected bitterly that the U.S. Army does anything but leave things how they found them. And any U.S. citizen with an I.Q. above room temperature who was watching that Baylor-Oklahoma game would have thought something similar.

Such scruples didn’t seem to afflict the fellows commentating the game, however. One of them burbled:

“Makes you feel great about the people serving our country, protecting our interests abroad.”

If only the U.S. Army treated everywhere like a stadium locker-room. If only….

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Fallujah,_the_information_war_and_U.S._propaganda
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September 30, 2018 11:28am
- Morrissey
  
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  Someone with an I.Q. below room temperature has managed to register his presence with us. Well done, moron.
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:38am
  - stigie
    
    Y0u’re doing well again this morning Morris Dancer..?//
    
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    September 30, 2018 12:39pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Morronissey “with us” are you referring to your other personality ? there is a name for that condition..possibly he’s the cretin that gives you an uptick.
    
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    September 30, 2018 2:12pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I tried to uptick myself a few years ago, when I first started posting on this estimable site. Sadly, it’s just not possible.
      
      Still, a half-century of downticks is just as good as an equivalent number of upticks. This is a highly partisan arena, and I don’t expect kid glove treatment. (Although Maggy, waikatogirl, and that crazy Catholic woman who posts here occasionally are all welcome to come round to Chez Breen and administer the kid glove treatment at any time…)
      
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      September 30, 2018 3:10pm
      - Swifty
        
        Sleaze.
        
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        September 30, 2018 3:18pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Those women need you standing up for them like a fish needs a bicycle. Now fuck off.
        
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        September 30, 2018 3:28pm
      - Swifty
        
        Dirty little sleazebag.
        
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        September 30, 2018 3:32pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Which of the three are you referring to, you misogynist fool?
        
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        September 30, 2018 3:37pm
      - Nookin
        
        What is an estimable site? One capable of estimation? What facets of the site are estimable?
        
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        September 30, 2018 3:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I suspect the only gloves coming anywhere near you are likely to be of sterile latex.
        https://products.halyardhealth.co.uk/infection-prevention/medical-exam-gloves/nitrile/purple-nitrile-exam-glove-466.html
        
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        September 30, 2018 4:14pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Eeew! ?
        That’s for you Morrissey, if you were in any doubt
        
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        September 30, 2018 4:39pm
      - Swifty
        
        Desperate and dirty little man.
        
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        September 30, 2018 5:12pm
      - starboard
        
        Heh all they would need is a kids glove size for your little noodle, morris.
        
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        September 30, 2018 6:43pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Crazy!?
        
        I’ll show you crazy!
        
        Where’s my lash …
        
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        September 30, 2018 6:49pm
      - stigie
        
        Talk like that Lucia and Johnboy wont be far away..?
        
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        September 30, 2018 8:08pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Lucia, that’s a little too Opus Dei for a Sunday evening, surely?
        
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        September 30, 2018 8:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

One of the bits of advice I’d offer to any student who is finding University life too stressful is to stop your studies and leave University.

Stress becoming ‘unsustainable’ for many students, says Green MP
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/367587/stress-becoming-unsustainable-for-many-students-says-green-mp

University isn’t the be-all and end-all of life.
There is pressure on a lot of teenagers/young adults to pursue university studies straight out of school.
For some kids, this isn’t the best choice… especially if they have had a fairly sheltered, safe route through their education.
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September 30, 2018 11:33am
- MrTips
  
  Swarbrook can fuck off. She’s younger than most students and not as intelligent.
  
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  September 30, 2018 12:19pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    At least she can describe herself as youth adjacent.
    
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    September 30, 2018 1:45pm
    - sooty
      
      Unlike Cindy!
      
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      September 30, 2018 8:49pm
Odakyu-sen

Here’s a question about “personal space.”

Sometimes you come across cars with “boom, boom, boom” super-loud rap / reggae music, playing in busy streets where I am sure most people don’t like the disturbance of the peace.

Why do the “boom-boom” boys do that?

– Are they lovers of such sound that want to “spread the love”?
– Are they imposing their “mana” onto the surrounding hapless community?
– Is it an anti-conformity thing? (Funny how the music is so conformist. Like Harley riders.)
– Is it a class thing?
– Are they deaf and need to turn the volume up?

What are your thoughts about this phenomenon. From a Japanese perspective it is very selfish and shows a complete lack of empathy for the surrounding community.
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September 30, 2018 11:37am
- holysheet
  
  They are just fuck wits who are giving us the finger.
  
  “Don’t look at me motherfucker or I’ll give youse the bash”
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:46am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Ironic how the underclass of today are like the aristocrats of old. Both classes have money given to them; they don’t have to earn it.
    
    “Don’t look at me motherfucker or I’ll give you the bash” is exactly what a feudal lord would have said to one of his tenant farmers in Europe in the Middle Ages or in Japan in the Edo Period.
    
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    September 30, 2018 12:05pm
    - SGA
      
      Odakyu-sen
      
      Ironic how the underclass of today are like the aristocrats of old. Both classes have money given to them; they don’t have to earn it.
      
      I wouldn’t be surprised if a reasonable number of the car owners with over-the-top sound systems are respectably employed – in retail, labouring, training to be a butcher, plumber, electrician, builder, etc. A cool set of wheels was a high priority to plenty of such young men when I was young, I doubt that has changed much. It’s the sort of thing that they spend their money on.
      
      (Thinking about it – some of the more flash boy racer cars that I see have Asian drivers?)
      
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      September 30, 2018 12:49pm
- The Heat
  
  Part of it is, I suspect, a teenage cry for attention. “Look at me!” Some people do this beyond their teenage years not realising how sad and desperate this makes them look.
  
  I suspect our leader also suffers from this…..
  
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  September 30, 2018 11:48am
  - Jack5
    
    I think The Heat is right. It’s “look at me!” , “listen to me!”
    
    Not so much music they blare as jungle drum signals – pounded out by sub-woofers. This low-frequency noise is hard on the hearing systems of those in the cars.
    
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    September 30, 2018 12:01pm
    - SGA
      
      hmmm… young males making displays to draw attention to themselves. Where’s David Attenborough when you need him 🙂
      “Here, on the darkened streets, the calm night is disturbed by the sounds of the young males of the species … “
      
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      September 30, 2018 6:50pm
  - Swifty
    
    Morrissey, Hugh and Stiffyboy are classic sufferers of this malaise.
    
    Their lives are so shallow they come here looking for attention every day.
    
    Sad little fuckers.
    
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    September 30, 2018 5:16pm
secondcumming

Just finished listening to the *National Anthems* being played 🙁

Argentina are fucked before kick-off!
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September 30, 2018 11:43am
- Morrissey
  
  Ditch the national anthems.
  
  Get on with the football.
  
  https://www.gq.com/story/colin-kaepernick-will-not-be-silenced
  
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  September 30, 2018 12:04pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Ditching the haka would be even better!
    
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    September 30, 2018 1:33pm
    - Morrissey
      
      No. The haka is popular. Anthems are tedious.
      
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      September 30, 2018 2:42pm
Morrissey

Laughing stock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVo72ggeC7o
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September 30, 2018 12:05pm
SaltyCroc

I keep getting ads with recommendations for books I might like to read – one is the book of the first family putting baby to bed. I did a double take when I saw it – She looks just like Jack Nicholson’s wife in The Shining and he looks a lot like Jack….God I hope that’s the only resemblance to that film that the first family has otherwise we’re toast – not good at posting links but Google image the scene where Jack is chopping down the door….scary!
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September 30, 2018 12:48pm
- Morrissey
  
  I get the feeling you’re a bit jealous of Clark Gayford. I don’t blame you—he really does seem to have everything.
  
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  September 30, 2018 3:12pm
  - SaltyCroc
    
    No thanks Stephen Patrick – I’ll have my own life any day – you do remember that some girls are bigger than others don’t you??
    
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    September 30, 2018 4:27pm
  - starboard
    
    almost everything morris, he’s missing an E…
    
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    September 30, 2018 6:38pm
    - SaltyCroc
      
      Missing something I agree
      
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      September 30, 2018 6:50pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Morrissey, you are sick.
    
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    September 30, 2018 9:07pm
DigNap15

So more tax of petrol “kicks in” today, according the Herald.
Kicks in is a great term!
Thanks Winston!
Thanks Ardern
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September 30, 2018 1:36pm
- secondcumming
  
  Just do what my missus does……she went and filled up just before midnight.
  
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  September 30, 2018 2:41pm
- Niz
  
  I read some Aussie article about how their high petrol price is driving them to drastic measures (like public transport). They’re paying something horrifying like $1.50/l.
  They don’t know how lucky they are.
  
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  September 30, 2018 2:48pm
- SaltyCroc
  
  2.46 at our local BP – WTF!!!! I worked out with all of the increases in cost of living since this mob got in I now pay $50 extra a week on living expenses!!! Good thing I can cope – what about the poor buggers who earn a lot less?? – and they probably voted for these muppets!!!
  
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  September 30, 2018 4:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What are NZ’s core values?

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/367595/nz-first-members-want-migrants-and-refugees-to-sign-to-core-values

. respect for gender equality,
. legal sexual preferences,
. freedom of religion
. alcohol consumption.
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September 30, 2018 2:07pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I have no doubt that alcohol consumption is a ‘core value’ for the NZ First leader.
  
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  September 30, 2018 2:35pm
- MCos
  
  The Catholic Church most certainly doesn’t have gender equality.
  
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  September 30, 2018 5:13pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Do Polynesian and Asian cultures, either?
    
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    September 30, 2018 7:04pm
Niz

Big sigh. It seems that the Greens are keen on “removing all financial penalties and sanctions in place for failing drug tests, not showing up for appointments, or not applying for jobs, are also key focusses.”
They say that this would put the heart back into the social welfare system.
Others might say that there’s more heart in a system that encourages people to earn their own living, and _not_ get wasted.
Why should people who have the drive to go and support their own families, also have to support others without an expectation that they’ll do their best to support their own?
This is one of the problems I have with letting fringe groups anywhere near the reins of power. They’re not sensible.
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September 30, 2018 2:42pm
- Swifty
  
  Agree with everything you’ve said.
  
  I could add that this is straight out bribery too, of hundreds of thousands of NZers – and with tax-payers hard earned cash.
  
  Vote Green – and we’ll give you the lifestyle the others wont.
  
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  September 30, 2018 3:14pm
Viking2

Winstons speech.

https://www.facebook.com/Stuff.co.nz/videos/1555775117857648/?notif_id=1538269001512366&notif_t=live_video
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September 30, 2018 3:18pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 44: Corey Lewandowski (yet another Trump crony)

Singer Joy Villa has filed a police report against former Donald Trump presidential campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, saying he sexually assaulted her at the Trump International Hotel in Washington DC on November 28. While talking with CNN, Villa, a Trump supporter, says Lewandowski slapped her behind twice while posing for a picture. She added that Lewandowski “was drinking” and “appeared to be in bad spirits.”

Villa went on to explain that after she told Lewandowski she could report him for sexual harassment, he told her, “I work in the private sector” and slapped her again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOMQ6V2cLlE

https://www.gq.com/story/lewandowski-losing-work-womp-womp

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”); 24 David Lloyd George; 25 James Franco; 26 Joel Kramer; 27 Rene Naufahu; 28 Steve Wynn; 29 Vince McMahon; 30 Rob Porter; 31 The old buffers at Russell McVeagh; 32 Otago law students; 33 Tom Brokaw; 34 David Scott; 35 Justin Trudeau; 36 Morgan Freeman; 37 Hugh Hefner’s guests; 38 Brock Turner; 39 Les Moonves; 40 Asia Argento; 41 [name withheld]; 42 NY subway groper; 43 His Dishonor Brett Kavanaugh
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September 30, 2018 3:34pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nz.general/IibP8D06NB4
  
  Very disturbing some of the allegations….
  
  Radio Transcripts Ltd” wrote in message
  news:48c6d5c9-6a42-40d9-82c5-a55b6df25300@w7g2000yqo.googlegroups.com…
  I note that MORRISSEY BREEN has recently posted several messages from
  the computers of this organisation. That is unacceptable, as he was
  banned from these premises in December 2005. It seems he inveigled one
  of our younger and more na�ve secretaries to let him have access to
  her computer; this was soon detected and Breen was escorted from the
  premises, but not before he had sent a few messages this afternoon.
  
  While we agree with the tenor of his reply to our good friend Allistar
  in the “Drunk on Duty” thread, we reiterate emphatically that Breen is
  NOT any longer with Daisycutter Sports Inc. and his views do not
  necessarily reflect the views of our members. Although they do in that
  particular case.
  
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  CEO, Daisycutter Sports Inc.
  
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  September 30, 2018 5:20pm
Morrissey

The antics of this sad old man might be funny—in a movie.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-has-defended-these-men-accused-abusing-women-himself-included-1133953
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September 30, 2018 3:39pm
Rachael Membery

Sad for these Pike River and CTV families, who want to let it go.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107282771/let-it-rest-the-pike-river-and-ctv-families-who-want-to-move-on
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September 30, 2018 3:45pm
- Niz
  
  I wonder how many people think that we’re spending $30m to go into the mine to get the bodies. From what I’ve read, they’ll only bring bodies handy to the drift out (which may mean no bodies), and the others may _never_ come out.
  
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  September 30, 2018 4:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Sad for the NZ photo shooters.
  
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  September 30, 2018 5:29pm
Komata

Rachael: In respect of Pike River, I would suggest that, sadly, there is little chance of that happening, due largely to the activities of a certain media-whore named Monk.

Bernie REALLY loves his self-appointed role and as long as a TV crew are around he will continue to ‘Perform’. The ‘grieving families’ don’t matter, the ‘attention’ does.

No idea what he will do when everything has finally closed, but it’s his moment and he’s working it for all it’s worth

. He’ll never get another chance like this one…
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September 30, 2018 4:02pm
gorse

Pleased to see Stuff’s Adern “I am strong” article never made it to the most read column. Hope yet.
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September 30, 2018 4:13pm
- Niz
  
  I wonder how the media would portray a male PM who said “I am strong”.
  
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  September 30, 2018 4:19pm
  - MCos
    
    Trump, of course, says stuff like that all the time.
    
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    September 30, 2018 5:18pm
    - Inandout
      
      And it’s bloody true as well, McCoss.
      
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      September 30, 2018 5:30pm
    - nasska
      
      Trump is American & as such follows Yank practises of self endorsement & exaltation.
      
      We have the misfortune of having the Mother of the Nation’s Baby as OUR political leader. It would be nice if she could act like a Kiwi & wait for her sycophants to do the praise thing.
      
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      September 30, 2018 5:32pm
      - MCos
        
        Plenty of politicians have claimed they are the only ones who can save their country from calamity, but I don’t recall any American President engaging in the self aggrandizement that Trump has, to the point that the other world’s leaders sniggered at him the other day.
        
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        September 30, 2018 6:52pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Poor MCos has probably got a photo of the show pony on his phone that he uses to tug himself daily.
        
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        September 30, 2018 7:06pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        MCos, I agree. Trump is to the political gallery today what Muhammad Ali was to the sporting gallery back in 1974. Both fighters, but Trump for all his bluster and unpredictability is improving the lot of the average American.
        
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        September 30, 2018 7:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Happychappy’s projections always amuse me. I suspect he is not a happy chappy, at all.
        
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        September 30, 2018 7:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It all sounds so 1970s..
  
  I am strong
  (Strong)
  I am invincible
  (Invincible)
  I am woman
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6fHTyVmYp4
  
  J.A.’s speeches are so reminiscent of my schoolgirl debates.
  
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  September 30, 2018 7:21pm
Happychappy

Winston and his broken down Cronnies want a bill making our immigrants and refugees to sign a declaration to adhere to our values if they want to live in NZ. Winston obviously reads kiwiblog and realizes that many on here will vote for his policy even after being burn’t several time by his policy bribes.
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September 30, 2018 5:34pm
- nasska
  
  It’s a pity that some other party (let’s say National) adopted such a policy before our cities look like Karachi South or Little Mogadishu.
  
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  September 30, 2018 5:39pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    David Seymour says the policy has merit. He says he will be interested to see if NZF implement the policy and what it includes.
    
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    September 30, 2018 6:34pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Winston only decides to make policy like this when his eternal polls are not giving him the news he wants.
      
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      September 30, 2018 6:54pm
  - DigNap15
    
    My local New World and Countdown already do!
    
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    September 30, 2018 11:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  A silly idea. The oath of the declaration on attaining NZ citizenship is enough. Most observe it but it is an oath, not a commercial contract therefore legally unenforceable.
  
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  September 30, 2018 6:24pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    That was a passably sensible comment. I shocked 😉
    
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    September 30, 2018 6:29pm
    - starboard
      
      stooopid boy no.7 has taken over shift. This one seems semi intelligent.
      
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      September 30, 2018 8:31pm
  - nasska
    
    If it’s not legally enforceable it ain’t worth shit.
    
    What is needed is an unbreakable agreement from intending bludgers that they learn English, get a job & obey our laws. eg, no pruning of little girls’ sensitive bits.
    
    Don’t agree or don’t obey then get on the big aluminium bird & fuck off back to the shithole you came from!
    
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    September 30, 2018 6:34pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Why would someone need to sign a contract to obey our laws, nasska? I was under the impression that obeying the law was mandatory.
      
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      September 30, 2018 7:27pm
      - nasska
        
        But there’s no consequence to an immigrant breaking laws. They don’t work so can’t pay fines, treat jail as a holiday camp & to top it off their pig ignorance is treated as a mitigating factor at sentencing.
        
        If they knew they were definitely heading back to their homelands if they committed a crime then they wouldn’t offend.
        
        It’s not as if we’re exactly short of violent arseholes to fill the jails we’ve got now.
        
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        September 30, 2018 7:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Wow. Where would you cow cockies be if you didn’t have those cheap foreigners to do the dirty, hard work?
        
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        September 30, 2018 8:34pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Why not learn English while languishing in refugee camps, wouldn’t that make sense?
      
      Why wouldn’t that make sense for immigrants also?
      
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      September 30, 2018 9:58pm
Viking2

Winston Peters attacks Simon Bridges and National in conference speech.

NZ First leader Winston Peters delivered a blistering attack on free market economics and National with a major speech on Sunday afternoon, defending his decision to go with Labour.

Peters was speaking to about 500 people at his party’s 25th annual conference in Tauranga, its first since coming to Government in a coalition with Labour late last year.

The speech lacked any major policy announcements, instead acting as a clear statement of his party’s history and values and why those values saw him pick Labour.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107491740/winston-peters-attacks-simon-bridges-and-national-in-conference-speech
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September 30, 2018 6:22pm
- krazykiwi
  
  In 2008 Bridges took 58% of the electorate votes to Winston’s 25%, and Bridges has held Tauranga ever since.
  
  In contrast, Winston couldn’t even win his own seat in the last Election.
  
  He should quit lecturing and get on with serving. Perhaps if he did a bit more of that he’d have less time to lie.
  
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  September 30, 2018 6:35pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Deja Fucking Vu ( M0stly from 2008 archives)
    
    As Cameron Slater eloquently put it a while ago : “This short-arsed, mendacious, thieving, lying, philandering, prick” and ”
    
    “He is so crooked that when he stands up to his full 4’11” height and stretches his crooked little neck he is still crooked and lies like a flatfish.”
    
    “I hope and pray that Labour conrtinues to defend WRP, 63, MOPONFA to the hilt then this election election will be fought totally upon honesty, integrity in politics and the corruption of WRP, 63, MOPONFA and the corruption of Helen Clark in tacitly approving that corruption through the continued service of WRP, 63, MOPONFA in her ministry.”
    
    “She’s stood him down but she hasn’t cut off his baubles, so Winston’s got all the perks and title of a minister he just hasn’t got any of the work which will probably suit Winston perfectly – no work, all baubles”
    
    If I was a Labour or Progressive or Green Voter looking at the corruption and graft allegations swirling around Winston Raymond Peters, 63, List MP of no fixed abode and Helen Clark these would be my thoughts;
    
    “Labour are horribly compromised with their association witht he corrupt NZ First party
    Being associated with Labour is like having cancer right now
    The only left wing party that can hold its head up high clear of graft and corruption is the Greens
    The only party that deserves my vote is the Green party”
    
    etc etc etc
    
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    September 30, 2018 7:05pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That was then. Isn’t that slater creature all for Peters now?
      
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      September 30, 2018 7:28pm
- lifesgood
  
  Sounds like the words of a man who knows what a clusterf**k of a government he’s backing. A cornered man. A terrified man. A man who knows he has made one gigantic balls up of his life.
  
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  September 30, 2018 7:24pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Peters feels entitled to Tauranga it would seem.
  
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  September 30, 2018 9:49pm
rightoverlabour

I get e mails from team@ratepayers.com

Read this:

Yesterday, Auckland Council released its 2017/18 Annual Report – the financials up to 30 June.

… key takeaways from the Financial Statements are:

Council debt has increased to $12.66 billion — an increase of 9.3 percent in just 12 months. This is significantly greater than the budgeted increase in debt of 5.5 percent. It means that debt now equates to $23,118 per ratepayer (including commercial ratepayers).

As a result, Auckland Council spent $472 million in interest last year — $7 million more than it budgeted.

Auckland Council’s day-to-day operating expenses of $3.88 billion exceeded its annual budget by $77 million.

The total number of staff has increased from 10,063 to 10,259.
Staff paid salaries of more than $100,000 have increased by 223 to 2,473.
But these trends are conspicuously absent from the Council’s own summaries. The Council don’t want you to know them.

Apologies if this seems a bit Hugheske, but I think its worth putting this out there….
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September 30, 2018 6:34pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I can’t seem to work out how to bold stuff but in my above post the staff paid salaries:
  
  Staff paid salaries of more than $100,000 have increased by 223 to 2,473.
  
  WTF? and how are our lives as Aucklanders better now that an additional 2,250 people earn more than $100,000
  
  I am a teacher, I don’t earn $100,000, but I can guarantee I work a lot harder, and more productively than the leeches employed by Goff’s Get Rich Club.
  
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  September 30, 2018 6:52pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Based on your comments here rightoverlabour, I’d say your students are bloody lucky to have you at the front. It’s a tough profession for all, and an unwelcoming one for anyone to the right of Chairman Mao. I know… Mrs kk is in the same industry.
    
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    September 30, 2018 6:58pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    How can anyone with a family survive in Auckland on less than $100k is beyond me.
    
    Teachers are actually underpaid, IMO.
    
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    September 30, 2018 6:59pm
  - Niz
    
    Umm, the increase was 223, not 2250.
    Your question is still valid though. I’d kill for a council whose focus was on core tasks, not spending on things like statues on Bastion point.
    
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    September 30, 2018 7:05pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yup, my error, Thanks.
      
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      September 30, 2018 7:07pm
  - Niz
    
    We seem to be paying a lot of money to a bunch of people who aren’t clever enough to stick to a budget.
    
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    September 30, 2018 7:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You Aucklanders should get out and vote. Your super city thing was supposed to save money.
  
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  September 30, 2018 7:31pm
fernglas

I see the intention of the NZ First proposed bill to promote NZ values amongst new migrants is to tell people who are” bigots, racists or xenophobic in any way then they can go back to where they’ve come from.”
Do I hear Winston packing his bags and heading north?
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September 30, 2018 8:38pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  NZ First is an irony-free zone.
  
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  September 30, 2018 8:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Maybe he watched this video of the New England.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFqV_sp0z9Y
  
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  September 30, 2018 10:59pm
Odakyu-sen

If you like marquetry, then you’ll love this…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxvOMHoLRBY

(Brings back fond memories of the Hakone district.)
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