General Debate 27 September 2018

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holysheet

This guy was driving along a country road. Along the side of the road he sees a sign: “Apples, $5.00 each.” So he pulls over to the side of the road and asks the farmer why his apples are so expensive. The farmer says, “Well, these are peanut butter and jelly apples.” So the guy buys one. He says, “These apples only taste like jelly, where’s the peanut butter?” The farmer says, “Turn the apple over and take a bit of the other side.” Sure enough the other side tasted like peanut butter.
So he continues on his way and along the side of the road he sees another sign: “Apples, $20.00 each.” So he gets out and asks the farmer why these apples are so expensive. “These are ham and cheese apples,” the farmer says. So the guy buys one. The apple only tasted like ham, so he asked the farmer why and he said, “Turn the apple over and you will taste the cheese.”
Then he is driving down the road again and he sees another sign: “Apples, $50.00 each.” So he asks the farmer, “What’s up with these apples being so expensive?” The farmer tells him they are pussy apples. So the guy buys one. He takes a bite into the apple and says “This apple tastes like shit!” And the farmer says, “Turn it over.”
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September 27, 2018 8:20am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Keep them coming.
  
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  September 27, 2018 1:02pm
waikatogirl

Morning everyone. A hearty breakfast before a big day of watching Winston dodging his actions.
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September 27, 2018 8:20am
- oldgolfer
  
  Oh yes. Oh yes.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:27am
- Im Right
  
  Watch a hit job/smear on Bishop today (from someone, probably Winston, perhaps an acolyte) about Snapchat and being a predator/pedo…Winston fights the dirty fight when he is found out…so what we will see today:
  Denial
  Threats of court action
  Smear (allegations of something absurd about Bishop that cannot be proved/backed up, but shit sticks!)
  
  At almost 75yrs old he cannot change his MO.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:42am
  - GazzaW
    
    Peters wouldn’t normally be in Parliament today as it’s a Thursday but given that the House is under urgency and that Peters’ arse is hanging out to dry with Bishop’s little surprise package he might need to cancel his planned extended lunch and turn up.
    
    Will tomorrow be yet another Black Friday for the CoL?
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:06am
    - Paulus
      
      Thought today is last day before the holidays.
      Doubt if Peters will be there anyway.
      
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      September 27, 2018 1:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Watch the troll(s) on KB come out with these slimy smears.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:06am
    - GazzaW
      
      ztev must be beside himself with frustration. All dressed up and nowhere to go.
      
      We are having a wonderful time. Wish you were here.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:23am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  You or Winston? Dead man walking to his last meal?
  
  At the taxpayers expense? I hope so, if this gets rid of the wrinkled raisin, I will be happy to pick up his breakfast tab even if it includes a single malt or two!
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:42am
- hullkiwi
  
  Such a shame. At the airport & flying out for 3 weeks holiday. So, yet again, I’m going to miss Winston holding up his NO sign.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Don’t worry, it will be in the media, . . . . . well maybe, but rest assured the unsubstantiated slur against Bishop that will undoubtedly surface today, will be!
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:23am
Right of way is Way of Right

So, the Meka Whaitiri report has been leaked.

Allegedly this all came about because the PM was having a stand up with the media at a function in Gisborne, and Whaitiri was upset that she didn’t know about it, and she blamed her press secretary for not alerting her to the fact.

Apparently Whaitiri was upset that she had missed out on her opportunity to get her face on the telly!

Well, she certainly got a lot of time on TV in the next few days, didn’t she! Just goes to show, be careful what you wish for.
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September 27, 2018 8:20am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Meka Whaitiri is being thrown under a bus today by the 9th Floor to change the news media conversation away from Jacinda’s emails and Winston’s mates.
  
  Who is more likely to have leaked the report – the PM’s office or some HR staffer in Parliamentary Services?
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:21am
  - cmm
    
    Deny, deny, deny, deny… as long as possible.
    
    When it can’t be denied any more and comes spilling out, try to wash away as many other issues in the flood.
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:25am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I agree AgainstTheFlow – this has the DNA of the H1/H2 years all over it.
    
    Whilst Whaitiri being a bully might be a short-term embarrassment for Ardern, the revelations about Peters have the potential to bring down the government, so hence the leak.
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:26am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I don’t give a fuck where this POS Whaitiri is thrown, frankly….. but out of the 9th floor window would be better than damaging a bus. Wellington needs its buses.
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:30am
    - VicParking
      
      No worry the bus will not turn up, be late or full of young Labour going to a groping camp
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:19am
      - igm
        
        Enjoying yet another day in the Woods!
        
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        September 27, 2018 12:22pm
    - Fletch
      
      Nothing like a good bit of defenestration on a Thursday morning….
      
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      September 27, 2018 10:14am
      - Dave Mann
        
        ???
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:36am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I wonder what other scandals are ready to be leaked in the squirrel-fest? Is there anyone else in the labour party who has allegedly assaulted anyone lately? Any matters before the courts?
    
    Or to put it another way…..
    
    Do they have the wood on anyone else?
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:55am
    - sooty
      
      Someone else on here was saying there was another Labour scandel ready to brake!
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:08am
      - waikatogirl
        
        We don’t want any brakes on any new Col scandals breaking. ?
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:53am
  - rockape
    
    Winston if the COL agreement has a clause in it that he takes over as PM if Jacinda goes!
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:31am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    If I was in the Maori Caucus, I’d be very angry at the PM.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:47am
  - igm
    
    Gnashers is receiving what one refers to as karma — hope plenty more in the line to pay the CoL scum back.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:36am
- wiseowl
  
  The scandal of this story is the fact that a race based so-called caucus (which shouldn’t exist) , backs the alleged actions of an MP that has acted in a way that should never happen in this country.
  This underlines why culture should be kept out of politics and also underlines the recurring theme attributed to a particular culture in New Zealand.
  That we have reached a point where the likes of Thomas at Massey and many others are sucked in to this undermining of once high principles in Parliament and institutions is very sad indeed.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:29am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Is there a word in Te Reo for ‘blind and ultimately damaging loyalty’?
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:31am
    - Sofia
      
      “One of our tikanga is to stand up and support our people when they need our support,” Davis said [of the Maori caucus, backing former Government Minister Meka Whaitiri ]
      That did not mean they passed judgment or agreed or disagreed with what was done, he said.
      
      Is that not ‘blind and ultimately damaging loyalty’? Gang brotherhood and loyalty?
      
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      September 27, 2018 8:39am
      - Flash
        
        When our little kids misbehaved badly, we used to tell them that while we still loved them for themselves, we did NOT love what they had done. Learning to consider the effect that their actions had on others put a brake on their lack of self discipline.
        Perhaps this is what Davis is trying to say.
        Unfortunately, such an approach works best on children, not middle-aged neophyte politicians with a flaring temper.
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:04am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Flash, the other point is that you’re referring to one’s own children, to whom one must have loyalty even when they make severe mistakes.
        
        Davis applying the same principle to an adult just because she is the the same race as he is – racism.
        
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        September 27, 2018 1:43pm
  - Happychappy
    
    But you will still have Winston pushing for his Maori mates to get top jobs this is the same Winston you backed against Bill English before the last Election. Get rid of the Maori Seats which is fine but another clever Maori will come along and like Peters turn it to his advantage. Winston is the scourge of NZ Politics and no matter how much he is attached to corruption in NZ like in the past with the Vella helicopter and the Owen Glenn sagas the voter can never see his wrongs.
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:55am
    - hullkiwi
      
      …and while he is propping up the Liebore led CoL, the Labour tribe over at the Standard can’t see any fault in Peters.
      In fact they think his smart arse responses in Parliament are all good stuff, because he is doing it to National.
      
      The fact he is lying about his corruption is irrelevant to the Labour tribe, because for the moment he is one of theirs. Just ask Muttonbrain, he of the double standard, well Key did it. Muttonbrain for reference a number did not support or vote for Key by not voting.
      
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      September 27, 2018 11:51am
- KevOB
  
  Ardern entered the territory of the Minister without informing her. Mika Whaitere may be even more highly regarded than the PM in her own Maori society. The PM not acknowledging that could have caused serious offence. Such can be matters for utu.
  
  Mana is cultural and personal. Now while the white liberals seek to promote all things Maori they have no understanding of tribalism which has been calmed down. Do we want two warring nations?
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:18am
Chuck Bird

Question time should be interesting today.

Audrey Young: Hard to see Meka Whaitiri return as a minister

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132382
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September 27, 2018 8:20am
- redeye
  
  But she is still an MP. So obviously recording your staff is a much greater crime than thumping them.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:52am
  - artemisia
    
    To be fair, it may not have been ‘thumping’. And some people bruise more easily than others.
    
    Still no excuse though especially as Ms Whaitiri apparently denies getting physical. Metaphysical bruising, who knew that is a thing.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:32am
    - backster
      
      I don’t know the size of the victim but Whaiteri appears to be almost as large as Val Adams.
      
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      September 27, 2018 11:46am
  - hullkiwi
    
    ….especially, when government agencies do not deal with violence in the home, but allow innocent families to be slurred by misdirected campaigns. Deal with the perpetrators of violence, not the innocent.
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:57am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107407516/jacinda-ardern-canada-and-chile-leaders-talk-trade-at-un

The PriNZess and Trudeau talk about a “post-Trump trade friendly world”.

Sorry sweetie, chances are the world is going to be post-PriNZess and post-Trudeau long before it is post-Trump!
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September 27, 2018 8:21am
- sooty
  
  Selfentitlitis!
  It runs deep with those two.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:24am
- Evadne
  
  Adern is proving herself to be a tactless, narcissistic idiot, with no clue about diplomacy or even basic manners.
  
  Any other PM representing NZ in NY would see it as an opportunity to build N Zs interests.
  
  All Adern seems to be doing is selling herself as a mother and insulting her host. Whether she likes it or not, Trump is the US president. She needs to learn to work with him. That’s what diplomacy is.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:33am
  - Harkman
    
    So her only claim to fame is the baby. Babies grow up. Over the past week NZ got nothing. In fact we’re in a worse place internationally. Trudeau has no trading clout at all.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:05am
    - double d
      
      Canada is one of the worst offenders when it comes to accessing their market- massive barriers across a wide range of industry
      Talking to Trudeau should be an opportunity to free up access for our goods ……
      
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      September 27, 2018 12:50pm
  - Felt
    
    No no no you don’t understand. Cindy knows best for everyone. And that is a socialist revolution. She has to implement it and all those others just do not understand the beauty of socialism.
    
    Has she been part of a religious cult in the past by any chance?
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:02am
    - waikatogirl
      
      She was a Mormon.
      
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      September 27, 2018 11:26am
      - starboard
        
        “Dont you know who I am”…
        
        Apparently nobody really gives a shit.
        
        Only one international reporter turned up heh.
        
        “When asked if having baby Neve with her in New York was a help or hindrance , Ardern said it was necessary.
        
        “I’m a breastfeeding mother and I have to keep her alive … I’m combining my role as a mum and as a leader, and it’s entirely possible to do both.”
        
        After the ( Whaitiri ) report was leaked, there was friction between the Prime Minister’s office and New Zealand media with her in New York when it was suggested there would only be one question each allowed at her daily press briefing because of interest from international media.
        
        Initially it was suggested there might be time after the press conference for a ‘truncated” standup with New Zealand media depending on time.
        
        But only one representative of international media turned up in the end and the limit on the number of questions from New Zealand media was removed.”
        
        Bawhahahahahaha
        
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        September 27, 2018 11:56am
      - igm
        
        WG: She is lucky not have been one of these, even if she does now support them:
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/mohammed-on-womens-equality/
        
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        September 27, 2018 2:44pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I reckon the Princess is going to soon be offered some big UN job which she won’t be able to turn down.
  It will be spun as a huge honour for NZ which will put NZ further onto the front of the world stage – both with trade and human rights.
  The Princess will save the world.
  The novelty of being a Prime Minister having to manage idiots soon wears off when you see all the funds and opportunities at the UN – with little accountability.
  Maybe Clarke could get a job helping to run Twitter.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:39am
  - Flyer
    
    How long does she have to be PM to lock in the gold-plated pension? 2 years?
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:46am
    - howitis
      
      It was five years in the 1980s which is why Lippy Fat Bastard Lange hung in until August 1989.
      He did not achieve much after that.
      
      I always admired that Mike Moore was able to parlay 8 weeks as PM into the career he attained. This despite Moore having some serious health challenges from early on.
      
      This shows up how utterly useless Lange really was and more like Ardern as Lange was put out as front man while the rest of the ‘Fish and Chip Brigade’ did the heavy lifting.
      Fish and Chips seems to be a theme in Labour politics.
      
      The Fish and Chip girl was put out front in 2017. Some might even say as lipstick on a pig.
      Two ministers down in a month and nearly half in witless protection is a bit of a pig by any count.
      
      The SLG needs to take a leaf from Moore’s journey and not from Lange hanging in too long.
      A smart person would be ‘having a conversation’ with Moore.
      Like Norm Kirk, Moore left school early but was an avid reader and later a writer.
      I’m not sure if one could call the SLG overeducated.
      More like uneducated vis a vis the real world.
      
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      September 27, 2018 10:33am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        There is a stark difference between ‘receiving an education’ and ‘being educated’.
        
        I wouldn’t call Ardern educated by any stretch, but ‘indoctrinated’ may be a more apt description!
        
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        September 27, 2018 11:30am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    No chance. Too many skilled and able (which Cindy is not) troughing bums from bigger more powerful countries looking for easy sinecures with lots of baubles. Generally female leaders are unpopular with huge swathes of shitholistanians. Helen Clark was an anomaly for NZ representation in the UN because whatever her failings she was good at getting what she wants in politics. UN is a failing organisation in any case.
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:49am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Agreed. Ardern is an intellectual lightweight, and probably cant’t spell diplomacy let alone function with any diplomatic adroitness.
      
      The only possible reason she’d be wanted at the UN would be for sport, the bloodiness of which would not reflect well on New Zealand.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:10am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Ardern gets herself a UN job, and Donald pulls the plug on the whole damned fiasco.
    Now that’s a scenario I hope I live to see.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:11am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Trudeau’s poll results almost as bad as Macron which are totally collapsing down to below 20% from 45% ?
  
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  September 27, 2018 1:54pm
Captain Mainwaring

Let’s all be hoping that Chris Bishop has the goods on the wrinkled prune.
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September 27, 2018 8:24am
- oldgolfer
  
  I have a suspicion he has.
  Strikes me as a shrewd operator.
  My god, I love days like these.
  Chris, the new ball is yours. I fancy it will swing a bit today.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:30am
- Biscuit
  
  Captain, and if he has, I hope he drip-feeds it paragraph by paragraph….
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:31am
- Poppa
  
  I doubt Bishop would have fired off the warning shot without having more ammo in his kit
  
  Bring it on!!
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:33am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Winston will never work with National after this. So this is a high stakes make or break move from National. They obviously believe they can sink him, but not super confident otherwise it would be Simon fronting the questions.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:50am
  - Prince
    
    Winston would never work with National since 2008, and probably earlier.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:08am
    - lifesgood
      
      …and why in heaven’s name would they want him to?
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:13am
    - stigie
      
      Key would never have him in a government that he leads, this screwed with Winston’s ego so bad that he has absolutely hated National ever since !~
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:49am
    - kowtow
      
      Will Winston First voters ever learn that he’s been having them on since forever ?
      
      Another damning indictment of the universal franchise.
      
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      September 27, 2018 11:25am
  - marcw
    
    Will Winston use the opportunity for a distraction and announce today that he is going ahead with his defamation case against Sir Bill, Paula Bennett and sundry MSD officials? Oh look, a squirrel …
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:34am
    - Paulus
      
      No not today = he is appearing in Tauranga at the Racecourse on Sunday afternoon to explain why he lost the Tauranga Electorate and how wrong we all were.
      Presumably he will make some announcements as how much money he is going to give to the Horse Strappers (those who actually work at looking after the Horses).
      
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      September 27, 2018 1:57pm
  - rockape
    
    If Bishop has the goods Winston may not be working in Parliament very much longer. There will be no comeback in 2020.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:42am
  - Liberty
    
    “Winston will never work with National after this.”
    That is the really good news.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:52am
  - Nermal
    
    Do you really think Winston cares what colour the trough is?
    
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    September 27, 2018 5:18pm
- artemisia
  
  Mr Bishop may have info that is not actual proof. Hence raising it under privilege.
  
  Not realistic to believe he is making it up.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:36am
  - holysheet
    
    Why not make it up.
    If the drunken dwarf can make up shit every day, then they fight fire with fire.
    Dodn’t Angry say there is nothing wrong with a little collateral damage?
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:28am
    - Liberty
      
      “If the drunken dwarf can make up shit every day,
      
      Wine box, Scampy fishing , Ferry hitting the bottom etc etc
      It is just amazing it wasn’t just the old and infirm. That repeatedly
      got sucked in by the charlatan. There is a number who post on here.
      Who are suddenly conspicuously absent.
      
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      September 27, 2018 11:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember Peters Lawyer sues everybody who has any comment on Peters.
    Has done for many years automatically – great drinking mates I expect.
    
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    September 27, 2018 1:59pm
secondcumming

Was kicking back on the couch last night, Sky remote in hand, when I came across a replay of the Amanpour interview on CNN with *Jacinda*.

Now from a ‘political standpoint’, you would need to be totally insane to ever consider voting for her. But, let me just say as a ‘red-blooded hetro male’, if it was to approach you in a Ponsonby Bar, I reckon you’d be all over it like the UN on an anti-Israel resolution.
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September 27, 2018 8:29am
- lifesgood
  
  Eeeeeeew!
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:32am
  - Harkman
    
    Agreed, she is looking terrible these days. Next election my money is on old snaps from 10 years ago featuring on Labour’s billboards.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:09am
    - Paulus
      
      No, already Photoshopped like H Clark !
      
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      September 27, 2018 2:00pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Ew is now a word in the Scrabble dictionary.
    
    I acknowledge the attempt and understand the sentiment expressed but feel your attempt to stretch the word out so to land on the triple word square is a waste of valuable vowel power given e is the most common letter still only worth one point.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:32am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Still probably worth 83 in scrabble, not to be sneezed at. (11 for the letters, triple word score = 33, plus {probably} 50 for using all ones 7 letters).
      
      Would lead to an objection from me though…
      
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      September 27, 2018 10:11am
- alex Masterley
  
  Maybe after a crate day, but not before.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:37am
- waikatogirl
  
  Until she opened her mouth and started lecturing you with her virtue signalling. ?
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:46am
  - Fletch
    
    Put her in a school uniform and she’d fit in as an annoying, whiny schoolgirl on Home And Away (held back five times).
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:19am
- Poppa
  
  You need professional help SC, I recommend you get to it without delay
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:46am
- Igotta Numbum
  
  Mate, the only reason you’d go there is that you wouldn’t get upset if she left you.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:50am
- DJ Ward
  
  1: You would need too wash it with a strong solvent. Clarke has history.
  
  2: You would need to go back for seconds. To appoligise for pretending not to be a real man just to get a bit.
  
  3: You need to cut down on drinking before TV watching as you become vulnerable to presentation rather than personality. Probably why you mentioned Ponsonby.
  
  4: If a female spider approaches you, you might get a root but you will likely regret it. Even if its only the 19 years of life sucking child support. Whatever you do in this circumstance, don’t blow your load, she might bite as a response.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:01am
- Woz
  
  Ewwwww! I don’t think so. You’re a sick man, secondcumming.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:31am
  - dubya
    
    With those teeth, one false move during fellation and you’d be a eunuch.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:46am
- Longknives
  
  “Come and keep your comrade warm!”
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:00am
- Garbageman
  
  Down here in Invers we call that sort a 4 jugger & if you really luck out the booze makes performing an impossibility
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:53pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  And of course, like any woman, she’d be grateful that you considered her worthy.
  
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  September 27, 2018 1:23pm
Lance

Wind farms in trouble;

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107389651/the-promise-of-nz-windfarms-dissipates-as-it-announces-a-major-review

The point I would make here is that renewables are the future BUT BUT BUT… as a variable energy source they MUST be matched to demand side (variable) appliances. Batteries are way too expensive and a drop in the ocean.
So until this technical challenge is taken on board, forget it, and it will have to be driven by the power co’s themselves.
Trying to survive on subsidies will end in tears, as the wind farmers are finding out.
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September 27, 2018 8:29am
- cmm
  
  Comrade citizens will be required to wait until the wind blows before making tea.
  
  Does not apply to the politburo.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:33am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWWwRtkUIyQ
    
    How long does it take to make a cup of tea with pedal power?
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:50am
    - Harkman
      
      There was like ten of them going flat out for 5 minutes to boil one cup of water. Hilarious.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:14am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Yep, hot on the heels of the new renewable energy policy and the oil and gas debacle, compulsory spin classes for the unemployed to get them fit enough to go and plant trees!
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm, neo Stalinism rampart? Off to the gulag for you.
    
    LOL
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:01am
    - cmm
      
      Be thankful you live in a place where talking of gulags and standing in bread queues is just an abstract joke.
      
      Commies fuck up everything. Badly.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:08am
- peterwn
  
  Translation – the company wants a free ride at the expense of other industry players particularly hydro station operators. The other wind farm players also own hydro stations so can operate these facilities in harmony to the company’s benefit. Wind generation is utterly dependent on the availability of other generation to be successful. This can be quick start diesel or gas generation, or even better hydro generation where available (NZ has spare hydro capability for working with wind farms but this capability is the property of the power station owners). Storage whether batteries or ‘pumped storage’ schemes is not a complete answer.
  This wind farm wants the ability to dump its random output on to the grid and market and expect to receive ‘top price’ for its output.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:45am
  - JIV
    
    And this is why our electricity is so expensive. Wind farms always have their electricity sold as they bid close to zero dollars and sell at market rates. This means they can guarantee the sale of their electricity no matter what the price.
    Other more dependable sources, such as coal or gas, bid their minimum price on the open market, but may not always be selected. However, because wind is so unreliable its imperative that these turn-key operations exist.
    Surely on a calm, dry, cloudy day when the wind isnt blowing, the dams are a little dry and solar is in the shadows, the gas turbine operators could name their price. Anyone seen the Enron doc?
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:02am
- Ed Snack
  
  I may be incorrect, but my understanding is that paired with Hydro generation that has adequate storage capacity wind power’s intermittent generation can be sufficiently buffered to be useful. Not sure on the economics, but with hydro buffering the power when generated can be effectively stored as water without the pumping losses normally present with using pumped stored water. As such, NZ is one of the places where wind power can make sense in limited quantities, along with Norway as another example.
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:15am
  - peterwn
    
    This is the general situation and underpins NZ wind farm operations.
    
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    September 27, 2018 2:40pm
    - stephieboy
      
      I wonder if we have much to learn from how Agricultural subsidies work in the US especially for Midwest farmers.? ( The rural Trump belt)
      
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      September 27, 2018 2:48pm
- DJ Ward
  
  How are they in trouble? It reports they are profitable in the current market. They report as being a company with long term moderate profits. They do say that its unlikely to improve without market structure changes, more reliable customers, or diversification. A common set of issues for any company.
  
  They have not received subsidies. Variable producers are matched with energy storage hydro, the battery that evens out supply. They mentioned this as an issue for them. Other companies with both have few issues as you implied, incorrectly.
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:29am
  - peterwn
    
    They seem to want implied subsidies, that is preferential grid access terms in particular an implied subsidy from hydro power station operators.
    
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    September 27, 2018 2:43pm
- backster
  
  During minimal solar activity, wind velocity on earth tends to drop as evidenced right now when expected equinoxial gales are not apparent. On the occasions that solar winds escape through the suns corona , and the earths weakened magnetic shield, the electro magnetic effects generate earthquakes, volcanic activity and cyclones as also is happening right now.
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:10pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    Wind speed is related to differences in air pressure. Temperature as you imply by increased or decreased sun is mostly irrelevant. Low temperature planets and moons do have high winds as differences in polar gas pressure , dark side gas pressure still result in weather. The Suns variability is so small and its temperature effect here is even smaller. The wind speed change is negligible from that cause.
    Solar winds are relatively constant and our magnetic field has no issues coping with solar winds. Coronal mass ejections are different in that they can for a short time overwhelm the magnetic field. It is however just the penetration of particles to the surface that’s an issue for our power system and radiation exposure. To imply it causes earthquakes is absurd. They are a result of the earths crust moving, getting stuck, letting go. Caused by different travel speeds based on latitude pulling the crust and the moon repeatedly lifting and droping the crust by about 30cm as Earth rotates, that in turn causes tides. Earth, a magnet does not change shape due to electromagnetic current. The field changes shape. The crust does not move to repel the radiation especially to minor forces of solar winds. The forces would need to be so great that we would be striped of an atmosphere for a solar wind to cause an earthquake.
    
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    September 27, 2018 5:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Has Jacinda been economical with the truth again?

She didn’t explain why she had lost confidence in Whaitiri and stood her down as a Minister.

How the dickens is the Labour party going to do anything about Violence in NZ when they have one of their own Ministers involved in violence against a public servant?
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September 27, 2018 8:30am
- peterwn
  
  Jacinda now wants an enquiry as to how the report leaked. Funny that Labour quite happily used leaked stuff while in opposition, there seemed to be a whole Labour ‘5th column’ in the public service especially the health sector.
  Also funny the Maori Caucus is demanding National ‘back off’ criticising this incident. Labour quite happily and mercilessly exploited the Todd Barclay business.
  Seems different rules apply to left wing and non-left wing parties.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:35am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Wouldn’t it be funny if the report was leaked by the ex-staffer, whose right to privacy was used as the excuse for not releasing the damn thing in the first place! Not a lot of love for Whaitiri in the public service methinks!
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:42am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m disgusted that the PSA hasn’t been out in force demanding that Public Servants in NZ are safe from violence and bullying at the hands of the Labour Party.
      
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      September 27, 2018 8:53am
      - Harkman
        
        Maggy isn’t the PSA the Labour?
        
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        September 27, 2018 9:16am
      - Harkman
        
        Meant the Labour Party
        
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        September 27, 2018 9:27am
      - marcw
        
        The PSA seems to be more concerned with biting the hand that feeds them at the moment – creating mayhem in the industrial relations field to get what’s ‘owed’ to them for getting their puppets into power.
        
        A poor junior press officer is just a sacrificial lamb on the way to the temple of total power.
        
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        September 27, 2018 9:40am
  - cmm
    
    “I’m hugely disappointed to see that it has been leaked. We were going through a process to make sure that that was being dealt with appropriately, that we were protecting the employee involved in the situation.”
    
    Another lie.
    
    It was nothing to do with protecting the employee involved. It was all about trying to bury the issue or just kick the can down the road and hope it goes away.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:17am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      we were protecting the employee involved in the situation.”
      
      Rubbish… the employee has been exposed to weeks of uncertainty.
      
      The media has run with the PM & Whaitiri’s side of events.
      It’s so reminiscent of how Labour was”protecting” the grope victims.
      
      Either , this employee has a believable story or she doesn’t. Sort it out, pronto.
      The draft report says that the weight of evidence is in the employee’s favour…. Then it’s time to be up-front and honest with NZ, Prime Minister.
      
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      September 27, 2018 10:32am
      - cmm
        
        Quite. It would have taken half an hour to redact any the victim’s name etc from the report and release it.
        
        Thus far the report has been in cleaning for weeks.
        
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        September 27, 2018 11:50am
- cmm
  
  It is a matter of priorities. You can’t be generous everywhere at the same time.
  
  She spends up big on jet fuel and bribes to the universities, so clearly needs to economize in other areas, truth being one of them.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:03am
The Heat

Hosking rips into the pretentious, irrelevant luvvie club.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132562

“In the areas it really matters of course they’re an abject failure and that is why – and they’re too up themselves to have worked this out – we have seen the rise of people like Trump in the first place.

It’s why Sweden lost its Prime Minister this week, it’s why Angela Merkel virtually lost her reign as Europe’s most powerful operator, it’s why Britain is in the Brexit mess it is.

What an increasing number of what people want, and what the United Nations dreams of, are two completely separate things.”
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September 27, 2018 8:30am
- I've been to Mecca and you have not!
  
  Beware the Mandarinacy!
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:34am
  - Flash
    
    Mandarin – ocracy?
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:17am
- kowtow
  
  It appears Merkel is mortally wounded.
  
  This is not getting the airtime it deserves from the lurgenpresse , no , they are obsessed with ridiculing Trump.
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-german-chancellor-angela-merkels-time-coming-to-an-end/a-45638843
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:51am
  - G152
    
    The useless nations laughing at their main financier will only have one result..
    And based in the terrible USA why don’t they move?
    North Korea would be a goer
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:07am
cmm

One wonders how kids will ever get an incentive to improve if they are never given honest feedback:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12132325

Teacher fired for not following the school rules of giving kids at least 50% – even if they don’t turn in their assignments.

How does that policy set the kids up for a useful life?
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September 27, 2018 8:31am
stephieboy

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The pressure of the Mueller investigation must be getting to the US President or is it simply megalomania or egomania.?

Or both?

Let Trump supporters decide!

World leaders laugh at Donald Trump as he brags about his achievements – video

World leaders and diplomats at the UN general assembly in New York openly laughed at Donald Trump after he claimed his administration had accomplished more than almost any other in US history

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/sep/25/world-leaders-laugh-at-donald-trump-as-he-brags-about-his-achievements-video
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September 27, 2018 8:33am
- kloyd0306
  
  It ain’t braggin’ when it’s true
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    It ain’t braggin’ when it’s true
    
    ????
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:23am
    - Chris R
      
      Steph: This is a quote from Cassius Clay. “It ain’t braggin’ if you can do it!” In his case he could! In Taxinda’s case; not a chance in hell!
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:54am
- kloyd0306
  
  Will give you 10 to 1 that Trump will smell like a rose when Meuller is finished. The stench of the swamp will soon be smelling better too.
  The DOJ, FBI plus Clapper, Brennan, the NSA and CIA will have rotten eggs all over their Democrat faces.
  Obama, Hillary and Lynch will be next.
  Dare to me take on?
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Dare to me take on?
    
    Sure. Go ahead!
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:25am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Galah, How many times have I told you not to lead with your chin.
      
      Sigh
      
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      September 27, 2018 11:14am
- Harkman
  
  Only wacky Marxists read the Guardian.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:19am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman. , only Chumpanzees listen to Alex Jones, Tuck Carlson ( Fox ) , Katie Hopkins etc, etc
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:27am
    - Harkman
      
      Considering Alex Jones is nearly impossible to hear. Tucker Carlson is a fair respected journalist compared with nutjobs like Chris Matthew’s or Rachel Maddow. Chumpanzees is a racist derogatory term, further proof of leftist hate.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:32am
    - rangitoto
      
      You told me just a few days ago that Fox was your go to source. What gives?
      
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      September 27, 2018 10:04am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, and they keep asking me to donate!
    I would if their articles were balanced!
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:27am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes of the 500 people killed how many were killed by our Maori minority?
    I’d be willing to bet about 75%.
    Time for Maori to be ashamed of themselves be modern contributing citizens of New Zealand.
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:35am
stigie

Look at this massive project off Western Australia when we are shutting ours down.
Is this the industry we will be buying from in the future at a huge cost..?

https://www.mentorimcgroup.com/2018/04/18/chevron-receives-go-ahead-for-gorgon-expansion-project/
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September 27, 2018 8:34am
- cmm
  
  No, we’re going to reduce CO2 emissions by putting gas into ships in Australia then sending them NZ for use in our industries and homes.
  
  Makes perfect sense unless you have more than a two year old’s understanding of physics.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:42am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Imported Carbon is good, NZ carbon is bad.
    That’s the thinking.
    
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    September 27, 2018 8:56am
    - Richard
      
      Don’t worry Megan Woods has this all under control. She’s sitting on it.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:05am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    We should run a book on when the nations baby’s IQ will surpass the PM’s; two seems like a logical and good starting point.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:49am
- RF
  
  There are also massive plans for mining in Queensland.
  
  Australia is the lucky country.
  
  NZ has Ardern.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:49am
  - Richard
    
    Don’t forget the baby! Where would we be without the baby!?
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:00am
    - cmm
      
      Poor kid is getting set up for a lifetime of bullying and shitty nicknames. That’s what happens when you exploit your child as a fashion accessory.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:05am
      - howitis
        
        Jacinda Kardashian
        
        Wall to wall social media with no substance; along with exploiting family members.
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:53am
      - PhilP
        
        Yes cmm, like Nerve, you get on my Neve, go away you SLG.
        
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        September 27, 2018 11:42am
      - Paulus
        
        There is a sad history of children having grown up in highly political circumstances.
        I refer sadly to where in living memory at least two top politicians had to sadly live with tragedy of their each of one of their children.
        However I do not necessarily consider that this was as a result of the prominence of the political positions one of their parents.
        
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        September 27, 2018 2:25pm
- GazzaW
  
  Taranaki oil workers are already heading to WA as their local contracts expire rather than face an uncertain future in NZ.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:18am
oldpark

Takes one to know one.Bully boy shin kicker and a wee two faced bastard called Willie Jackson supports the “HIT “woman called Whaitiri. Even though he did not read the report. After all why would he as the “Coalition of Corruption and Chaos “needs the seven Maori votes to stay in power.
Under the present Peters selected regime anything goes. Even to allow a bunch of far left Lunatics and nut bars to slowly destroy the economy and well being of law abiding NZs.
These days with liars and bullies like Peters and Jackson manipulating the system ,who knows what direction the good ship NZ is headed for.
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September 27, 2018 8:35am
secondcumming

*BREAKING*……

Tommy Robinson tells Katie Hopkins:
“I’m going to be put back in jail”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKr-eb2Yjvw&t=29s
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September 27, 2018 8:36am
- stephieboy
  
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  “I’m going to be put back in jail”
  
  For what exactly?
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:54am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Standing up and trying to stop his country being destroyed.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      Mr Lovebucket, as afar as I’m aware Robinson has not been arrested or charged with anything.
      
      Fake Martyrdom!
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:29am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    “Is there an echo today on Kiwiblog?”
    
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    September 27, 2018 1:17pm
    - softail 1450
      
      D P yes, and it comes with a lingering smell of livestock …..
      
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      September 27, 2018 2:37pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Stephieboy has DeOvine love in his heart, it gives hims such comfort on cold lonely nights.
        
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        September 27, 2018 3:56pm
lifesgood

I have just read the leaked report on that thug Whaitiri. I’m pleased that the victim’s bruises were photographed by officials and the victim herself. They can’t be insignificant. Must have been one mighty “grabbing of the arm” to cause significant bruising. Just another self righteous, sanctimonious lefty going about her work, I suppose. We need to rid of the whole corrupt lot of them.
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September 27, 2018 8:39am
Chuck Bird

If a male MP left bruising on a female staffer’s arm would the charge be male assaults female?
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September 27, 2018 8:39am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  If whaitiri leaves bruising on a woman’s arm, isn’t that still Male assaults female?
  The testosterone is strong in that one.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:45am
- Local Miller
  
  Staggers me that Whaitiri still denies any physical contact occurred.
  Investigating Lawyer: So Madam Whaitiri, how did those bruises occur on your staffers arm?
  Madam Whaitiri: Well sir, I admit I raised my voice, but I never touched her. I was standing on her right hand side at the time, so it must have been the sound waves hitting her skin.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:15am
flipper

I have read all the MSM reports on Trump at the UN published here, and sourced from the usual suspects.

Pejorative reporting is a very kind description. The emphasis was on laughter and globalism as if the latter were a virginal expression.

But by chance I came upon the full text of his speech. It is very, very different from the way it has been portrayed here. Yes, the nervous idiots did laugh when Trump spoke of the US economy, but when one reads the totality of what he actually said, the laughter was stupid …. and perhaps expected from the culprits. But I doubt that the EU, after Jean-Claud Junker’s recent grovelling after trying, but failing to call Trump’s bluff on tariffs, is genuinely laughter.

So now the text ex W O H B.
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/trumps-speech-to-the-united-nations-general-assembly/#more-411391
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September 27, 2018 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
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  flipper. I’ve already posted a comment about the US President’s bragging before the UN as at 8.33am. Putting forward a perfectly plausible explanation about his bragging rights!.
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:48am
  - pentwig
    
    stoopidboy
    do you really believe anybody would read a comment by you?
    down ticked while scrolling down is all
    do you really have such a high opinion of yourself as a low paid troll?
    good grief
    LOL
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Good speech. Nothing in it to disagree with.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:19am
  - stephieboy
    
    UN, speak about the blind donkey leading the blind donkey!
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:15am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy,I noticed you didn’t mention goats ,I suppose you dont want to risk yourself having another sexual emergency ,good thinking on your part considering what happened last time,,ha,ha,ha.
      
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      September 27, 2018 2:43pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right flipper but it is well worth listening the entire speech to see the delivery as well as detail soon stopped the laughing.
  
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  September 27, 2018 2:07pm
RF

The hapless Ardern the champion of transparency has fallen flat on her face over the Maori thug that she was covering for. Now in damage control.

Must go with the territory as Jethro fell over yesterday after tripping over a flag.

NZ must be looked at as being a joke run by Hillbillies. I hear Jethro spends hours watching traffic lights changing and trying to work out where the man flicking the switch sits.
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September 27, 2018 8:44am
- howitis
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76WkQMeTEf4
  
  Beverly Hillbillies doorbell confusion
  25 secs
  Jethro and co
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:00am
  - RF
    
    howitis……I rest my case…… pure gold…
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:23am
Sofia

Why, amongst all the mess of the Haumaha Inquiry, has neither the Government nor the Opposition mentioned a “New deputy promoted alongside Wally Haumaha as size of police executive grows”
… the police have created another deputy police commissioner role, by internally promoting Assistant Commissioner John Tims to run the 12 police districts.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12097833

Meanwhile – Police National Headquarters have confirmed Haumaha retains the same responsibilities as when he was the Assistant Commissioner in charge of Maori, Pacific and Ethnic Services. As such, no one will be promoted to the rank he vacated.

Why was Haumaha selected to be the one statutory Deputy Commissioner, appointed by Governor-General, on the recommendation of the Prime Minister?
[ Current structure: under Police Commissioner there are 4 Deputy Commissioners – one statutory Deputy Commissioner, appointed by Governor-General, and three Deputy Commissioners, appointed by Police Commissioner ]

Does new Deputy Police Commissioner Tims in fact have greater responsibilities, running the 12 police districts, than Haumaha in his duties, which are unchanged? Why was the appointment of Deputy Commissioner Tims not publicised as was the promotion of Haumaha, when Tims probably controls more of relevance to the general public?

Prompted by the questions of one person, Louise Nicholas, and now a further three women’s allegations of bullying, and consequently a question of inappropriate witness contact, this Inquiry is to ascertain how an appointment – involving the Prime Minister and then Governor General – was made regarding a man who apparently is now performing the same duties as he was before.

As a Yes, Minister series plot line, this would have been dismissed as being too silly to be plausible.
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September 27, 2018 8:45am
- Longknives
  
  Because old Wally can barely string a sentence together….
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:35am
  - RF
    
    The Police should give themselves an uppercut.
    
    Wally should have been stood down when the story first broke.
    
    There is Police Inspector that has tested positive for steroids and he is still working normal duties.
    
    Our current commissioner has a conviction for EBA.
    
    FFS
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:29am
kowtow

Any wonder “Aotearoa” universities are slipping in their world rankings……

‘A university spokesman said the university had already made boosting Maori staff numbers to reflect the population a focus in its Maori Strategic Framework 2022, which includes other goals such as Maori student success and promoting the uptake of te reo.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/university-of-otago/otago-prof-calls-more-maori-lecturers
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September 27, 2018 8:54am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow, from your link,
  
  “..However, seven of the universities had better scores for their enrolment of international students, and six had better scores for the number of times their researchers’ work was cited by other academics.
  
  University of Waikato campusUniversity of Waikato campus. Waikato and Lincoln were the only universities to improve their standings. Photo: Screengrab / University of Waikato
  University of Waikato vice-chancellor Neil Quigley said research citations were a major factor in the university’s improvement, and it was placed 92nd for that measurement alone.
  
  He said the higher overall ranking followed improvement in another ranking system, the Times Higher Education league table earlier this year, and could result in increased enrolments by foreign and domestic students.
  
  “We traditionally have found international students are interested in these rankings, but increasingly we’re finding domestic students are quite attuned to the rankings and what they’re telling them about each of the New Zealand universities as well, Professor Quigley said.
  
  “Our global rankings have been going up for the last few years and this year our enrolments at the University of Waikato are up about 3.5 percent overall. So we think the two are related and hopefully as people understand some more about this latest ranking, that will help us with enrolments for next year as well….”
  
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  September 27, 2018 8:58am
Richard

Meka Whaitiri = Thug life.
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September 27, 2018 8:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

“For some time we have had horrific rates of domestic violence, intimate partner violence, our reporting rate has been as low as nine percent,” she told Ms Amanpour on Wednesday morning (NZ time).
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/jacinda-ardern-sits-down-with-christiane-amanpour-on-cnn.html

Is Jacinda capable of putting 2 +2 together and coming up with the right answer?

If she places a convicted thug at the top table (a woman who in a position of power attacked a mentally-ill man) and “forgives” a bully in her cabinet, what message does she think she is sending to the abusers and thugs in our homes, schools, institutions?
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September 27, 2018 9:00am
- stephieboy
  
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  The PM also has this to say that provides some constext,
  
  Speaking to hard-hitting journalist Christiane Amanpour, Ms Ardern refused to sugar-coat New Zealand’s high rate of domestic violence and admitted how poor our abuse and reporting rates are…
  
  Then,
  
  “For some time we have had horrific rates of domestic violence, intimate partner violence, our reporting rate has been as low as nine percent,” she told Ms Amanpour on Wednesday morning (NZ time)
  
  Unconscious bias?
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:12am
  - Harkman
    
    “hard-hitting journalist Christiane Amanpour”
    
    Joke of the day.⬆
    
    Plenty of violence working for the Labour party.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:24am
    - skyblue
      
      And sex assaults. Whats going to come out of the Woods next?
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:57am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Unconscious bias?
    
    Where violence is concerned…NEVER.
    
    I am totally opposed to violence, abuse and folks who minimise and obfuscate about the effects of violence.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:42am
- Sofia
  
  And, Maggy, as media keep repeating:
  Whaitiri has an unswerving support base in the Māori caucus.
  
  Why were the Police not called to deal with what obviously is a case of physical assault – especially as those concerned would be aware of the Police not being called initially in the case of the Labour summer camp assault?
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why were the Police not called to deal with what obviously is a case of physical assault
    
    I think if you read the report you will discover that: 1. the press officer was shocked and possibly frightened after the assault.
    2. She was only 6 days into the job.
    3. She was in a strange city and wouldn’t have had support people with her
    (I may be wrong… but I get the impression she was on loan from DIA to serve as the Press Secretary)
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:35am
    - sooty
      
      Sofia, the Labour party have history of not calling in the Police. Think of the sex camp!
      
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      September 27, 2018 6:40pm
- kowtow
  
  I’d love to see the colour of those horrific rates.
  
  Aotearoa has a massive problem , the rest of New Zealand , not so much.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:59am
- DJ Ward
  
  That is the female victim, male offender figure.
  
  The male victim, female offender reporting rate is near 0%. No surprise when the police turn up to a DV call and go “where’s the male”.
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:43am
- Komata
  
  Maggy
  
  Re: ‘If she places a convicted thug at the top table (a woman who in a position of power attacked a mentally-ill man) and “forgives” a bully in her cabinet, what message does she think she is sending to the abusers and thugs in our homes, schools, institutions?’
  
  In her opinion the ‘message’ that is being sent is that ‘If I can do all these ‘nice’ things (defined as ‘things SHE considers to be ‘nice’), then so can YOU and if we all do them together the world will be such a wunnerful and happy place and the unicorns will be dancing with excitement. Laughter and diamonds will prevail across the land.
  
  That her perception might not actually be true, and her thoughts are a fantasy, escapes her.
  
  She really doesn’t get it…
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:39am
Local Miller

Heard the hypocrite Ardern moaning during an interview about how hard it was to “sell the free trade concept” to NZ citizens since coming into power.

Given the anti-free trade activity of the Liebour party during their time in opposition is she surprised. Bloody lairs and hypocrites, did everything the could to scupper the TPPA, then when they are in power they re-brand it and try sell it as their own. And now she’s trying to make it look like the ignorant citizenry are the problem.

Not fit for purpose, not my leader!
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September 27, 2018 9:05am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Quite so. It’s a bit like Phil Goff campaigning against asset sales in 2011 when he had been part of the Cabinet which between 1987 and 1990 sold more state assets than any government before or since.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:09am
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    KS, the mood of the public had changed by 2011 otherwise political suicide!
    
    Even PM John Keys understood that!
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:16am
    - srylands
      
      Leadership is about doing what is right. Not pandering to the view of the mob. The last government faced so much political flack from selling minority stakes in some generating companies. They would have been better off selling 100 percent of all of them. The flack would have been no worse. Plus Land Corp. Plus TVNZ.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:49am
    - lifesgood
      
      Historical fact – he was middle eastern. He was not black whatever the sjw’s wish he’d been.
      
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      September 27, 2018 10:06am
      - lifesgood
        
        Sorry this comment is in the wrong place and I can’t delete it. FWIW it was about Jesus being a black man in the Dr Who comments
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:09am
      - Longknives
        
        I had this argument with an Atheist friend..
        I’m Agnostic- But I don’t like it when people peddle absolute bullcrap like the ‘Jesus was a Black Man’ myth …(Designed purely to offend Christians)
        
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        September 27, 2018 1:27pm
    - lifesgood
      
      SB go to the back of the class and write Key a thousand times.
      
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      September 27, 2018 10:13am
- stephieboy
  
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  “Not fit for purpose, not my leader!” ?
  
  The who is?
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:14am
  - Local Miller
    
    The who is?
    
    Surely that should be “The Who is!”
    
    Yes I’d prefer The Doctor over this lot any day. Maybe he could use the TARDIS, go back in time and undo some of the crap this gubbermint (spelling intentional) has been doing.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:22am
    - Evadne
      
      But the real Doctor. Not the ‘gender equality’ one.
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:33am
    - Longknives
      
      “The Who is?”
      
      Maybe 1970s Who- When Keith Moon was still alive?
      Things would certainly be livelier around Parliament with him blowing things up, dressing as a Nazi, and crashing Ministerial Limos into swimming pools!
      Townshend is a bit of a boring weirdo though-He might be more suited to the Labour Party..
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwS1tC9Mp00
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:46am
Albert_Ross

Why are National trying to make a big thing out of opposing the proposed tahr cull in the Southern Alps?

Practically nothing could be more disastrous for that environment than the presence of tens of thousands of goats. What argument can there be against an all-out campaign to get rid of the lot of them, let alone the very modest reduction in their numbers which is all that is actually being proposed?
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September 27, 2018 9:06am
- Keeping Stock
  
  the very modest reduction in their numbers
  
  10,000 is NOT a “very moderate reduction”. And since Minister Sage has backed down since the issue was raised in Parliament yesterday, including the revelation that no one would sell ammunition to DoC, it’s clearly an issue that the government was sensitive about.
  
  The underlying issue was that there had been no consultation with the tourism and recreational hunting sectors. Kudos to MP’s Sarah Dowie and Hamish Walker for raising the issue on behalf of constituents, setting up a petition that attracted over 20,000 signatures in less than 24 hours, and ultimately forced the Minister into a backdown. That’s exactly what Opposition MP’s should be doing.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:18am
  - dave_c_
    
    Stuff the tahr cull – we need to implement a systematic cull of our elected representatives – with urgency.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:31am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    National are putting themselves on the side of this argument that is against the protection and conservation of New Zealand’s environment, and also highlighting their own failure to implement their own policy while in Government. They are handing Sage big points with the environmentalist community, including the non-lunatic ones who might otherwise be persuaded that the Greens are lunatics, and National is sensible and competent, on the environment. I hope they are quite sure that they know where the voting numbers are.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:00am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Bugger the hunters, Thar are a huge threat to our alpine environment and should be exterminated. They are a species of goat, and goats as people should know are very adaptable and also very destructive.
    
    They’ve made and continue to make a serious negative impact on the Southern Alps area.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:57am
  - Goon
    
    Yep…fuck the tryhard weekend warriors. Go play cowboys and Indians someplace else big man. I have an intense dislike for the Greens but I’m with the hairy armpits on this one.
    
    And while in rant mode, as for Fish and Game…fucking up aquatic biodiversity since forever. The fuckwits go on about the Ag sector and the damage it has done to rivers and streams but predation is a big factor in why 72% of native fish species are either threatened or at risk
    
    https://www.mfe.govt.nz/sites/default/files/media/Environmental%20reporting/our-fresh-water-2017_1.pdf
    
    Well before we get rid of cats to look after stupid birds that are too lazy to fly, we need to rid rivers of aquatic rats (trout and salmon). While F&G wha wha whine about irrigation, several species like Clutha Roundhead Galaxiis only survive because irrigation diversions in the Maniototo are so large salmonids can’t access headwaters to gobble them up.
    
    So vote for me, first thing I will do is wipe s26B of the Conservation Act (F&G statutory authority) closely followed by s199-214 of the RMA (Water Conservation Orders). That’ll fuck em…
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:38am
    - Jack5
      
      Goon says “fuck the tryhard weekend warriors.”
      
      They would probably respond: “fuck the environmentalists who would return NZ to its pre-human state.”
      
      Goon’s ” we need to rid rivers of aquatic rats (trout and salmon)” is an example of Green extremism.
      
      Try telling that to a Kiwi like Bob Jones, Goon.
      
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      September 27, 2018 8:08pm
      - Goon
        
        I normally say fuck the greens as well (yep, I say fuck a lot)…but as someone involved in natural resource management I’ve had a gutsfull of wankers wanting to restrict others so they can go play hero at the weekend and talk it up with their mates at the pub.
        
        If I’m my ability (or more specifically that of my clients) to take water from a river is limited because you want to play caveman two weekends a year, when trout/salmon are fucking up what naturally lives in the rivers (and which wouldn’t be affected by water abstraction*), you and your fishead mates can absolutely get fucked.
        
        Recreational values are a joke….literally tens of millions of $ each year are spent in nonsense consent and regional plan processes by productive folks battling hypocritical wankers.
        
        * see flow requirements for native species vs what aquatic rats are supposed to require, natives are quite happy, well adapted and very resilient to flow variability. The main thing that has near wiped then out (particularly in headwaters) is predation by trout. But then again who gives a fuck as long as you can head out the odd weeknight and bag slimy thing that tastes like arse.
        
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        September 28, 2018 11:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  DoC’s policy has been to keep the Tahr numbers to under 10,000.
  https://www.doc.govt.nz/nature/pests-and-threats/animal-pests/tahr/
  
  Why wasn’t this policy enforced?
  
  What the Heck have DoC been doing these last 10 years or so?
  Might be time to cut all the managers and start employing some field staff who don’t sit behind computers all day.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:51am
  - dog_eat_dog
    
    A few less policy analysts in Wellington and a few more rangers in parks. But if all you care about is expanding the public sector then how it happens and whether it’s effective is a secondary concern.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:55am
  - gump
    
    >What the Heck have DoC been doing these last 10 years or so?
    
    That’s an excellent question! Here is a list of the Ministers you should ask:
    
    Tim Groser
    Kate Wilkinson
    Nick Smith
    Maggie Barry
    
    From what I have read, the Ministry reached an agreement with hunting associations to keep the Tahr numbers under control and they didn’t. Which isn’t surprising given that they have a direct incentive to let the numbers grow (more Tahr = more hunting).
    
    It’s the same reason why deer culling fails. When you pay hunters to shoot deer they have an incentive not to kill all of them (since their future income is preserved by leaving a few hinds behind to produce more deer).
    
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    September 27, 2018 12:43pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Surely it is up to DOC to keep the numbers under 10,000 Tahr. It is not up to private hunters to do the work that DOC sets policy on.
      
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      September 27, 2018 1:02pm
      - gump
        
        There’s a finite amount of money in the DoC budget. If hunting associations promise to control Tahr numbers then it frees up money for other DoC projects.
        
        At least that’s the theory. Unfortunately it doesn’t work in practise. Which is why DoC are now preparing to cull the Tahr.
        
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        September 27, 2018 1:21pm
  - sam green
    
    “What the Heck have DoC been doing these last 10 years or so?”
    
    Being systematically defunded.
    
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    September 27, 2018 3:38pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      All Government Departments could theoretically do more with with more money.
      
      I was on a Conservation Board for 5 years.
      
      I was not impressed with how DoC managed its finances.
      There has been too little attention to basic stewardship of the DoC estate and its infrastructure.
      The emphasis on iconic species has been at the expense of core habitat/ ecosystem protection.
      Too many overpaid specialists/managers pursuing their own pet projects for far too long.
      I believe the original model for DoC was wrong from the start….
      The leadership of DoC has never been impressive.
      
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      September 27, 2018 6:54pm
      - sam green
        
        Systematically defunded. Ask the staff.
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:12pm
MaidenNZ

The important things are: Jacinda shook hands with a famous guy; there was a baby in the UN; and Jacinda didn’t laugh…

…(sigh) NZ media coverage of our PM abroad.
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September 27, 2018 9:07am
MrTips

As promised, and bought to you by the letter H, it’s next episode of CindyTimeLie’n!:

Pregnant? Nope!
Transparent? Nope?
Lie in politics? No way!
No strikes? Of course not!
Know wot GDP is? Sure do…2 scoops?
Talk to Handley? Who?
Using your child as political bait? Why would I do that?
Did Mekia say “fight me b***h!”? Who told you that?
Are Winston and Wally drambuie buddies? Pleease… its probably ~~Glenfiid~~…~~Geldfud~~….whiskey

Tune in next time when GMail goes on a bender!
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September 27, 2018 9:13am
lastmanstanding

I have decided the new name for the PM is Puddle Cindy (PC). It describes her on so many levels.

Take her intellect.
I have observed 14 PMs in my time following politics. The next lowest to her in the intellect stakes would be Big Norm but he more than made up for it with his bucket loads of common sense another trait PC lacks.

Then we move to the Finance Minister. Again Ive observed 10 of them, Names like Muldoon Douglas Birch Richardson English are some that come to mind.
The current one doesnt given get close to any of them as regards intellect common sense understanding the man and woman in the street or on the Clapham Omnibus.

The picture only gets worse the further into the Cabinet we get.
But never mind.

After barely 12 months they have created a political clusterf…. and they still have another 24 months to improve on it.

Happy days.
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September 27, 2018 9:18am
si_rangi

So our PM is making such a huge hit in NY she is having to fight to keep the international media out of her press conferences,

“After the report was leaked, there was friction between the Prime Minister’s office and New Zealand media with her in New York when it was suggested there would only be one question each allowed at her daily press briefing because of interest from international media.

[…]

But only one representative of international media turned up in the end and the limit on the number of questions from New Zealand media was removed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107409649/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-investigation-into-meka-whaitiri-leak
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September 27, 2018 9:20am
- rangitoto
  
  The media are going off script again. Why don’t they concentrate on the important things like Squirrel’s UN security pass. So cute!.
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:17am
Local Miller

The who is?

Surely that should be “The Who is!”

Yes I’d prefer The Doctor over this lot any day. Maybe he could use the TARDIS, go back in time and undo some of the crap this gubbermint (spelling intentional) has been doing.
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September 27, 2018 9:21am
- VicParking
  
  I’m sorry Dr Who is not a women and having a Game Show host as a side kick yuk.
  Its going to be a struggle to watch.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:31am
  - Richard
    
    Doc Who has been taken over the SJW’s. It should have been allowed to die its natural death with the 12th Doctor. Ratings have been falling in recent years. Totally going over to the hard Left SJW agenda will hit its US and overseas sales hard and ensure a messly sad end to a once great sci-fi product.
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:43am
    - Longknives
      
      I have loved Dr Who since I was a kid.
      When Capaldi (most recent Doctor and worst ever) started banging on to his Lesbian companion about ‘Jesus was a Black Man’ etc etc I turned off and have never watched an episode since.
      It’s not just me- The ratings are tanking.
      Sci Fi nerds aren’t interested in Political Correctness or Virtue Signalling- They want escapism and entertainment!
      
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      September 27, 2018 9:54am
      - Fletch
        
        Yep, I stopped watching during the Capaldi era. He was horrible in the role. Quips and jokes that would have been funny coming from Tennant or Matt Smith sounded mean spirited coming from his mouth. The writers didn’t know how to write for him.
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:29am
      - geoff3012
        
        Totally agree….just like this episode…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0n88tZQc4Q
        
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        September 27, 2018 10:33am
      - Longknives
        
        Jesus that’s ‘Edgy’ Geoff!
        Don’t let the Lefties see it- They will smash up Spike Milligan’s grave…
        
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        September 27, 2018 1:23pm
Richard

For immediate release. Statement from the Prime Minsters office:

Meka Whaitiri is clearly still suffering from post-colonisation trauma which caused her to react violently to not being included in the Prime Minsters photo op. This brought back repressed memories of her people’s victimisation and oppression by Pakeha and the inherent unspoken institutional racism of parliamentary democracy which Meka Whaitiri bravely endures on behalf of her people. It is the moral duty of all citizens of Aotearoa to recognise this and practice active awareness of her brave struggle. The staffer involved will be apologising to Meka Whaitiri and undergo a cultural awareness course at a retreat for 6 months.

Statement ends.
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September 27, 2018 9:22am
- VicParking
  
  All started when Captain Cook did not allow any maoris in the selfe he took when he landed at Kaiti Beach.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:35am
- Rich Prick
  
  I just knew it would be all my fault. She’s one mean looking bitch though.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:59am
- holysheet
  
  at a retreat for 6 months.
  With absoludly no chance of being sexually abused in the Woods, either…..
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:45am
Prince

Oh dear, Ardern not quite the media superstar perhaps ? (don’t tell anyone though).
NZ Media was told they would only be allowed one question re the Meka Whaitiri report at Ardern’s daily standup because it was expected international media hordes would want quotes from the oracle.
However…. only one representative of international media turned up in the end and the limit on the number of questions from New Zealand media was removed.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107409649/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-investigation-into-meka-whaitiri-leak

sorry si rangi, just saw your post on same thing.
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September 27, 2018 9:22am
- si_rangi
  
  great minds Prince
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:35am
- lifesgood
  
  God she must even embarrass herself.
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:02am
  - Komata
    
    lifesgood
    
    No, she won’t, because it simply doesn’t occur to her that she might actually be doing so. She really believes that what she says is true.
    
    Can’t at this point remember the name of the syndrome that seems to describe her well, but no doubt someone else can.
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:50am
    - Komata
      
      Follow-up to my 1150 post:
      
      I was thinking of ‘Dunning-Kruger Syndrome’, as described below. It seems an accurate description:
      
      ‘In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence’.
      
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      September 27, 2018 12:03pm
- The Heat
  
  Turns out the world thinks that “woman having a baby” is not a story, and “tedious publicity stunt” is even less of one.
  
  Who would have thought?
  
  The only people who appear to care about it are Kiwi repeaters who weally want to work for the Women’s Weekly before retiring from “workies” to have a sprog or two of their own.
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:12am
Shaun the Sheep

Has anyone had a problem with slime in diesel this week?
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September 27, 2018 9:49am
- ldypen
  
  How did you manage to get a Liabor politician in your fuel tank!?
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:59am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Two vehicles with major issues caused by fuel impurity.
    I doubt this will be an isolated incident.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:33am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Winston ! Is that where you’re hiding out…. ?
      
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      September 27, 2018 11:00am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Stay away from modern high pressure TDI diesels with their incredibly high pressures (similar to pressure at which normal aluminium becomes a flowing plastic metal) and microscopic gaps around pump pistons where any detritus is lethal they can’t withstand any sort of fuel contamination. Suck through some dirt and it can be up to $10k for a fix. It is a large proportion of entire income for some garages.
      
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      September 27, 2018 11:33am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        And for it to happen to two fleet vehicles the same week?
        
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        September 27, 2018 1:26pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Contaminated fuel would be a good place to start, contaminants or anything that reduces the lubricity of the fuel (like mixing in petrol) can be lethal to pumps and injectors. Never let a diesel tank get too low, make sure filters good. Though however unlikely it is possible that it is just bad luck.
        
        One suggestion would be to take a sample of the fuel from both tanks tested – if contaminated maybe you would have grounds for legal remedies against you filling station or their supplier – they might pay you off just to keep you quiet.
        
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        September 27, 2018 3:34pm
Richard

“After the report was leaked, there was friction between the Prime Minister’s office and New Zealand media with her in New York when it was suggested there would only be one question each allowed at her daily press briefing because of interest from international media.
Initially it was suggested there might be time after the press conference for a ‘truncated” standup with New Zealand media depending on time.
But only one representative of international media turned up in the end and the limit on the number of questions from New Zealand media was removed.”

LOL! Comedy Gold.
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September 27, 2018 9:51am
- Rich Prick
  
  Only one question? OK Cindy, what’s your favourite colour?
  
  The woman is a joke.
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:09am
gorse

I read the headlines only about Adern flashing herself and her child about the UN. Our media fawning over her. I know that people have short memories, she will return to the mess created here, to face a constant barrage of questions in the house about her honesty and integrity. Her answers will continue to be hollow. The local media are turning, by Christmas the chattering masses will be starting to feel uncomfortable with her as a leader.
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September 27, 2018 9:55am
- Longknives
  
  “I read the headlines only about Adern flashing herself ”
  
  Dear God… I hope not!
  The mere thought is enough to make me throw up in my mouth…
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:02am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed; pass the mind bleach please 😀
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:10am
    - sooty
      
      When was the Labour party conferance, again!
      
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      September 27, 2018 6:31pm
- Rich Prick
  
  When it comes to Cindy, the media have been running downwind with a turd and the smell is just catching with them.
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:24am
  - VicParking
    
    They have desperately trying to pick it up from the clean end.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:57am
dog_eat_dog

Remember how Tova O’Brien savaged Bridges at every step; over the spending, over the divided leadership culminating in the leak, how he should never have requested the review in the first place once someone purporting to be the leaker outed themselves…

Hasn’t had much to say about Arden demanding an inquiry into leaking a report about an alleged assault by an MP yet. I cannot fathom why that might be.
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September 27, 2018 9:57am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Yes indeed dog – you’d think she’d be breathlessly asking “What does this leak mean for Jacinda?”
  
  As for Ardern, at least she can no longer gloat about Bridges commissioning an inquiry into the leaking of his expenses. But I know which leak has the potential to do more damage, and it’s not the Bridges one.
  
  Has the white-anting of ANOTHER Labour leader commenced, and perhaps Audrey Young could confirm whether or not the documents leaked to her smelled vaguely of snapper…
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:10am
Scott Hamilton

It’s marvellous to see that Auckland libraries are joining similar institutions in other parts of the world and marking Banned Books Week. Here in Ranui library this morning I’ve looked over a nicely presented table, which features books in blank brown wrapping and helpful explanatory notes. I’ve learned, to my amazement and sadness, that Harry Potter has been booted from many US school libraries, on account of his alleged Satanism, and that Anne Frank’s diary is banned from Lebanon, on the grounds that it might create sympathy for Jews. There are several books banned in the former Soviet Union on the table too. Visitors to the library and invited to remove the brown wrappers from the books, and read them.

I am disappointed, though, that the display doesn’t feature any of the numerous books that have been banned in NZ over the years. A famous example of our own banned literature is Jean Devanny’s The Butcher Shop, a coruscating depiction of life and lust on aNZ farm which was removed from shelves in the ’20s on account of its author’s communist views, and her characters’ enjoyment of extramarital sex.

Censorship is not something new, either in NZ or elsewhere.
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September 27, 2018 10:56am
- SGA
  
  “coruscating”? I’ve not read the book. Curious, I did a google search and found a contemporary review, which, while deploring the book ban, was far less effusive in its praise. 🙂
  For your amusement
  http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-VUW1926_49Spik-t1-body-d20.html
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:15am
  - RalphT
    
    Thanks, SGA. These days they’d turn it into a mini series. With a sequel.
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:26am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention cartoons depicting a certain “prophet” who was actually a lying , thieving ,raping, murdering warlord.
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:36am
- Scott Hamilton
  
  I wasn’t aware that coruscating was a term that implied praise, SGA! I used it to describe Devanny’s withering criticism of NZ rural culture. I don’t think Devanny’s been ranked with NZ’s best writers by many literary historians; on the other hand, she sold a lot of tomes, getting onto bestseller lists at times. What’s important to remember is how easily her book was banned. Too many Kiwis think that the suppression of books belongs to distant, benighted societies, when their own governments have long practiced it.
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:18pm
  - SGA
    
    You weren’t using it to mean “brilliant and striking in content or style”? 🙂
    The review linked to is more an attack on that very censorship and the triumvariate of censors than on the book itself.
    Back in 2015, DPF posted a list of 1,200 books banned in NZ between 1963 and 1994.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/09/1200_books_banned_in_nz.html
    
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    September 27, 2018 12:40pm
    - Scott Hamilton
      
      That’s a very useful list: thanks! I have mostly been following the issue through Papers Past, which peters out, alas, in the late ’40s…
      
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      September 27, 2018 4:24pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  How ironic that Auckland Public Libraries administered by Auckland Council headed by Phil Goff is running an exhibition about banned things. Wonder if he has invited Jan Thomas to come and have a look as she might be able to find a book written by Brash to add to the display.
  
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  September 27, 2018 2:42pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Both personality and Intelligence are mostly determined by genes:
https://quillette.com/2018/09/25/forget-nature-versus-nurture-nature-has-won/

Which means much social and educational policy, and almost all of social sciences, are stupid and ill founded. The revolution will be slow, but there is no stopping reality from winning in the end.
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September 27, 2018 11:15am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Would that mean that children of the same parents will have the same personality and social outcomes?
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:25am
  - rangitoto
    
    No but they are more likely to. As the article explains.
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:28am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It means that parents and way you are raised, and education, have little influence over personality or intelligence. Social outcomes are however linked to family rather strongly – we don’t live in a purely egalitarian world. Identical twins raised apart have very similar personalities, and intelligence. You are 50% genetically similar to your siblings and each of your parents, so you tend to be similar to them (on average, there are always outliers)
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:28am
  - cmm
    
    Of course not.
    
    Everyone gets dealt their genetic cards (and their parents, environment, place of birth etc etc etc).
    
    On an average across populations that has huge effects.
    
    But that does not stop individual people from making the best of what they have. For that to happen, people need agency: the understanding that they have a large capability to determine their outcomes.
    
    A person born with shitty running genes is never going to be an Olympic level athlete no matter how hard they try, but that does not mean they have to give up completely. They could still become an average level runner.
    
    A low intelligence person is never going to be a rocket scientist, but they can still do the best with what they have.
    
    That is why blaming everything on colonialism is so destructive. It tells people they have no control over where they are in life: Sorry mate you’re in a hole. It’s all colonialism so you have no power to fix it. Here’s some koha.
    
    Everyone has some way they can add value to society, but pretending we can all bring the same is ridiculous.
    
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    September 27, 2018 11:38am
- Scott Hamilton
  
  ‘almost all of social sciences, are stupid and ill founded’
  
  No disrespect, but I think you’re the guy who told me here that both Europe and Africa were isolated for tens of thousands of years, until recent centuries. I do wonder, on the basis of that comment, whether you’re up with some of the research in the fields you’re dismissing as irrelevant.
  
  I’ve just been doing some background reading in archaeology and linguistics for an essay I’m supposed to write (procrastination). It’s amazing how much progress these fields have made in a few decades. We can now plot the histories of whole language families, and radiocarbon dating, DNA testing, of animals as well as humans, and stratigraphy are allowing archaeologists to reconstruct human movements with a new rigour and clarity. Knowledge is exploding. The word ‘stupid’ isn’t what comes to mind.
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    With respect, Scott, the Indo-European languages were identified as a family more than 200 years ago. Things have been on the move for a long time.
    
    Computational linguistics from cheap and widely available computing power is now pushing things along, and there is help from populations’ DNA patterns.
    
    Rather than knowledge “exploding” I would say it’s going through a “spurt”.
    
    In linguistics, it’s interesting that some of this began with the Cold War, resulting in military interest in machine immediate translation of language. There’s where the money came from for the push in linguistics by Chomsky.
    
    I don’t agree that social sciences are stupid, but they are poorly labelled by the description “sciences”. This makes us expect too much from them and sometimes leads us to give them to much respect.
    
    An example is the claim of some in anthropology that all cultures are of equal value. This, whether the culture is, on the one hand, that of a remote PNG tribe of brain-eating, koru suffering people, or, on the other hand, the culture of a more developed society – such as Europe’s, or India’s, or China’s, or Japan’s.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:22pm
- DigNap15
  
  That is why the upper class and the lower class have existed for thousands of years.
  
  I know my place.
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:44pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132690

Murder stats: 500 in 11 years. Not bad really. Thats around 1/100k.

But 12% of those are 5 and under! Our big brave mana filled warriors don’t like to pick on people their own size!
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September 27, 2018 11:28am
- kowtow
  
  “We know that family harm is a serious issue that affects people of all ages and across all parts of society,” Anderson said.
  
  “Disturbingly, children under the age of 5 made up 12 per cent of homicide victims.”
  
  Yes with gubmint agencies so obsessed by all things Maori I’d have expected to see a more detailed breakdown including ethnicity.
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:33am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Do we get an ethnic breakdown?
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:53pm
  - kowtow
    
    They give a breakdown by ethnicity of victim but very conveniently not by offender. Funny that .
    
    ‘The report does not include descriptions of offenders. Such information is provided in
    Recorded Crime Offenders Statistics published on policedata.nz. ‘
    
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    September 27, 2018 1:16pm
rangitoto

Ordinary tourist visiting Salisbury who accidentally walked by the house of Sergei Skripal is identified as “GRU colonel Colonel Anatoliy Vladimirovich Chepiga, who was made a Hero of the Russian Federation by decree of the President during a secret ceremony in 2014.”
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September 27, 2018 11:35am
- MCos
  
  Putin hasn’t laughed so much since he saw the pee tapes.
  
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  September 27, 2018 3:22pm
Woz

Friend of mine has just told me that Toothy stood up at the UN talking about climate change and told everybody that her government undertook lots of debate and consultation before they bit the bullet and banned offshore drilling.

WTFF? Is this true?
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September 27, 2018 11:40am
- rangitoto
  
  Yes. Cindy received a petition from Greenpeace and that was all the consultation and debate needed. Especially when the Green party threatened to pull the plug otherwise.
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:43am
- Komata
  
  Woz
  
  Such debate as occured would have consisted of five minutes over tea and biscuits at a scheduled meal break.
  
  ‘Consultation’ has a different meaning in Cindy’s mind / world…
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:56am
- stigie
  
  Yes, that is right. Garner was filthy about her on the AM show this morning saying there was no thought gone in to this closing off permits.
  Garner is somewhat saying she is lying because there was no consultation with the industry or public during the election campaign.
  The lies are mounting up for the lefts Jacinduh !~
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:59am
  - Inandout
    
    Garner is a bit of an enigma in that one day he supports Jacinda, the next is against her. But I suppose he has to keep all viewers happy. The one that annoys me though is Ruby Lips who is blindly pro Labour and continually roots (for) Jacinda. She is so sickly sweet almost to the point of vomit inducing.
    
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    September 27, 2018 12:51pm
- Woz
  
  I can’t understand how she could stand up at the UN and tell a bald-faced shameless lie, when the unilateral “captain’s call” that shut down the industry is a matter of very public record. Is she really that thick?
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:04pm
  - RalphT
    
    Of course she is. Did you even have to ask?
    
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    September 27, 2018 1:03pm
    - Woz
      
      Rhetorical question.
      
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      September 27, 2018 1:49pm
- stephieboy
  
  Woz, transcript, please ?
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:17pm
  - Woz
    
    Stupid Boy, did you not see that I heard a second hand report and came here for verification?
    
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    September 27, 2018 1:48pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Woz, then we can safely say it was untrue? Unless you can demonstrate otherwise?
      
      Right?
      
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      September 27, 2018 2:56pm
- KevOB
  
  If you can deceive yourself why not the world?
  
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  September 27, 2018 1:26pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  It does not matter what she said because the adoring sycophantic audience at the UN would lap it up regardless.
  Even if she got up and said that she had committed genocide they would still applaud her and say that it was a noble act because it was done in a way that was progressive and all the victims were reactionaries so it was justified.
  
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  September 27, 2018 3:06pm
  - MCos
    
    She could stand in the middle of Lambton Quay and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose voters.
    
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    September 27, 2018 3:20pm
rangitoto

Saw this on Twitter:

Our UN leaders: ?? Syria is now Chair of @UN_Disarmament for chemical & nuclear weapons ?? Iran’s on @UN_Women ?? Saudi Arabia’s on @UN_HRC & @UN_CSW (women’s rights) ?? Turkey’s on UN Cttee on NGOs ?? Qaddafi Prize founder Jean Ziegler on @UNHumanRights Advisory Cttee
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September 27, 2018 12:07pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Yet they finger-wag at us over child “poverty”. Go figure.
  
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  September 27, 2018 12:31pm
DigNap15

Time for all western democracies to pull thin pin and pull out of the UN.
It is a useless, expensive joke.
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September 27, 2018 12:11pm
DigNap15

Just heard Simon Bridges on the Country and he impressed me quite a lot.
He was very reasoned and calm and intelligent.
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September 27, 2018 12:42pm
- Longknives
  
  Simon is a clever bloke and an asset to the Party (I’ve forgiven him for falling into that Jeremy Wells trap- everyone is allowed one mistake I guess..)
  But I’m still not convinced he is the ‘Pitbull’ National need right now. (They should be absolutely savaging this disastrous Labour outfit)
  And I’m willing to bet he won’t be in charge come next Election..
  
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  September 27, 2018 1:20pm
  - KevOB
    
    When confronting clowns even a chihuahua can trip them up.
    
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    September 27, 2018 1:24pm
  - Kabull
    
    In QT Simon performs as a prosecuting counsel – somewhat staid and measured. In general debate, however, you see much more of the aggressor. Watch this performance from yesterday. And note the promises about COL policies:
    1. We will have a positive plan for change
    2. Reverse the employment laws
    3. Cancel the disastrous oil & gas decision
    4. Change the overseas investment changes
    5. Cancel the regional fuel tax
    6. Make sure there is no capital gains tax
    7. And we will do more besides
    
    https://youtu.be/fQhnpCE8s74
    
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    September 27, 2018 2:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15,
  
  “He was very reasoned and calm and intelligent.”
  
  Unlike you!
  
  Simon our answer to Donald Trump?
  
  Or is t Judith?
  
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  September 27, 2018 2:52pm
MrLovebucket

ACC putting their tax on petrol up 2cents soon

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/107417845/acc-to-raise-charges-with-motorists-hardest-hit

ACC cited increased costs for care and support workers “resulting from the pay equity settlement agreed by Government” as one of the reasons why its levies needed to rise.

It’s going to be cheaper to fly to Melbourne soon that fill up the Toyota.
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September 27, 2018 12:47pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Remember that 2 cents also leads in increased GST.
  
  Btw, a full tank costs me ~$230, and AirNZ and Qantas regularly offer flights at <$200
  
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  September 27, 2018 1:08pm
  - MCos
    
    Take the flame thrower off the roof.
    
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    September 27, 2018 3:14pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Good guess. It is German 🙂
      
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      September 27, 2018 3:40pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Are racist jokes allowed on here?

I wouldn’t wanna get banned….again….LOL.
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September 27, 2018 1:00pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘Racist’ used to be called ‘racialist’, but the Left considered it couldn’t be hissed with effect like racist could. Your today’s lesson endeth.
  
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  September 27, 2018 1:11pm
  - sam green
    
    No actually – you were using the wrong term.
    
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    September 27, 2018 3:43pm
Jack5

A headline on the Radio NZ (RNZ) web site says: “Rally supports Gisborne councillor who spoke out against racism”

In fact it is questionable that the incident entailed racism.

The report that follows the headline reveals that the rally protesters are “anti colonialism”.

The incident began with Councillor Meredith Akuhata-Brown alleging she heard a fellow councillor, Malcolm MacLean, say it was a pity more Maori weren’t killed when James Cook arrived in the area in the Poverty Bay area in 1769.

MacLean has stated what what he actually said was that it was lucky more Maori weren’t killed, and that it was a “mumbled, private conversation”.

Presumably, if MacLean is accurate, this could mean he was commenting on the fact that the contact between Cook’s men and Maori could have been been worse – in casualties.

The council’s code of conduct review board found that two councillors breached the council’s code of conduct, which was dealt with ‘informally’.

Akahuta-Brown’s “support person,” Tina Ngata, is now reported by Radio NZ as saying that racism is inherent in all of the council’s decisions, and: “All councils are institutionally racist because all councils are built out of the system of colonisation.”

You can’t extract racism out of colonisation, Ngata is reported as having said.
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September 27, 2018 1:11pm
- cmm
  
  “all councils are built out of the system of colonisation.”
  
  I wonder if they would prefer the good old old days before colonialism when everything was settled by violence. The people who put in the most bash took everything and the rest became food or slaves.
  
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  September 27, 2018 1:16pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But cmm it seems as the blood lines thin leading to more numbers with minimal amounts of native blood they have switched their emphasis to colonisation being the reason for their sorry situation. Linked by them for so much racism they seem to find everywhere while in the process creating a divide that did not exist before. All too much of a good thing has resulted in is a noisy group of people bitter and twisted about what they have ended up with from the result of their own making.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:04pm
- Komata
  
  Jack5
  
  Notice the surname of the ‘Supporter’.
  
  Sir Apirana must be spinning in his grave.
  
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  September 27, 2018 3:19pm
Poppa

More trouble ahead Cindy……

Oil company sueing the government, that should be fun. Good ole 3 pies needs to put this fire out real quick or it could get a bit awkward
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September 27, 2018 2:03pm
- Inandout
  
  It is bandwagon time finally and everyone is thinking of striking or in this case, suing. When there is chaos, the playing begins, rather like a classroom being taught by a teacher unable to control the students.
  
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  September 27, 2018 2:12pm
- DigNap15
  
  That is great news!
  No government should be able to do things like that just by idealogical decree!
  
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  September 27, 2018 3:26pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Oddly enough this could give Ardern an out. If the case looks strong, rescind the ‘decree’, note frustration at her ~~virtue signaling to the UN~~ noble climate goals being frustrated, but citing respect for the law etc etc.
  
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  September 27, 2018 3:45pm
MCos

I watched parliament QT to see if Bishop was going to ask Peters some curly questions about the phone call(s) he alleged yesterday he made to Wally.
Aside from some fuzzy replies to questions on a marae celebration he didn’t front up with anything new.
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September 27, 2018 3:56pm
- stigie
  
  But is there more important questions still to come from Bishop to which there will be twice as much obfuscation from Peters..?
  
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  September 27, 2018 4:06pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But stigie there is just too many escape routes for the sly old dog with the main one being the inquiry being conducted as well as so many interpretations of some of the native gibberish. There is a lot more to come on this issue but it one of so many problems the COL have created for themselves.
    
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    September 27, 2018 6:09pm
    - nasska
      
      Don’t sweat! The Mother of the Nation’s Baby will be back from sorting out the UN soon.
      
      Winston won’t know what’s hit him.// 🙂
      
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      September 27, 2018 6:18pm
      - sooty
        
        A handbag!
        That’s what will hit him.
        
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        September 27, 2018 6:21pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  If Bishop does not put up anything to support his allegation in the near future he will go down in my book as just another little muck raking snake like Peters himself.
  Time will determine the verdict on this one.
  
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  September 27, 2018 4:08pm
All_on_Red

Breaking News: Senate Judiciary Committee investigators release info that they have interviewed two men who came forward and said they were involved in the incident with Dr Blasely-Ford not Kavanaugh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoEldwiXkAYXF_6?format=jpg&name=medium
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September 27, 2018 4:26pm
- MCos
  
  Well, fancy that!
  More cases of mistaken identity.
  
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  September 27, 2018 5:53pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’ve got no time for women who come up with this sort of shit 30 years later!
  She is supposedly an educated women who should have known what to do at the time!
  
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  September 27, 2018 6:21pm
  - nasska
    
    “This sort of shit” is inevitable when Governments pass legislation which forces the religious & moral principles of a few on to all. I know not whether the wretched woman is telling truth or lies but the race is on to protect what little in the way of rights American women have over their own bodies. The Supreme Court is rightly seen as another level of government.
    
    Governments should legislate on matters of defence, tax & drainage boards. Leave moralising & meddling to Godnutters…..they’re the experts.
    
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    September 27, 2018 6:37pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Kavanaugh has said Roe v Wade is established and settled law
      He’s not changing it. The Dems are just scaremongering.
      
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      September 27, 2018 6:49pm
      - nasska
        
        I hope you’re right but it pays to keep a sceptical eye on what’s going on. The Supreme Court has in the past struck down the intention of government legislation.
        
        The right to bear arms is challenged at every level by the liberal Left. The right to oversee citizens’ bodies & bedrooms is the goal of the rabidly Conservative…..they’ll use the same tactics.
        
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        September 27, 2018 7:08pm
      - fernglas
        
        Just because it is “settled” law does not mean the Supreme Court cannot reverse its previous decisions. In law, it can. Kavanaugh’s answer is an evasion, but of the sort that putative Supreme Court justices often engage in at confirmation hearings.
        
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        September 27, 2018 7:35pm
Piniwi

The party jumping bill has been passed after 27 hours of debate and we trust the Gang Green enjoy their feast of dead rats. A sorry day for the democratic process after also seeing so much of the system being bypassed as the COL find it convenient.
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September 27, 2018 6:18pm
- stigie
  
  27 hours of debate on this bill and the Greens never took a fucking call.
  This must be the worse call in the history of the Greens !~
  
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  September 27, 2018 7:00pm
Inandout

I love it when socialism is stripped of its veneer and exposes the filth beneath:

‘If one accepts Orwell’s premise that for the common man socialism means improved living and working conditions, why is socialism unpopular? The fault lies with socialists. For one thing, socialism attracts a fair number of cranks. “One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.” Some of those categories should be dropped and new ones should be added, such as gender studies students. However, the sentiment is correct. An ideology that appeals to a large number of oddballs has little hope of being adopted by the average man.

Socialists also know little about those they wish to help. Their language is a dead giveaway of their ignorance. In the Twentieth Century, socialists laced their diatribes about industrial capitalism with jargon, such as “dialectical materialism” and “class consciousness”. Their spiritual heirs decry “systems of oppression” and exhort people to be “woke”. No average man speaks or thinks in those terms. Yet, he is the one who must be “educated”.
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September 27, 2018 6:57pm
stigie

I fucking knew it when commenting earlier this year that we have had a fantastic run with low vehicle registration cost under National, now this fucking government is set to put it up.
Sweet Cheeks has spent the lot and needs more revenue !~
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September 27, 2018 7:09pm
- Inandout
  
  Get on the buses and the Greens will be ecstatic, that is what they eventually want. I did however love the very low annual fees for my Honda, short lived though they appear to be.
  
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  September 27, 2018 7:22pm
- waikatogirl
  
  ACC need the extra tax to pay the recently increased wages being paid. With all the strikes and demands for large percentage increases, watch your tax dollar surge to cover all the increases. Sorry, levy not tax.
  Consequences of Cindy and Robbo virtue signalling that it was open slather for the unions…
  Petrol levy (tax!) going up again next week as well.
  
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  September 27, 2018 7:28pm
GoVege

Good to see Judy Dench sticking up for Kevin Spacey.
And then a MeTu spokeswoman claims that older women defending misbehaving males are just in denial of how bad their own abuse was.
She’s wrong.
Older women have lived long enough to know there are way worse things in life than the occasional grope!
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September 27, 2018 7:14pm
- nasska
  
  Many, many moons ago I worked as a “doorman” at a pub GoVege & I can attest to being groped on a few occasions.
  
  Regrettably my admirers/assailants were inevitably fat, ugly, borderline-menopausal & pissed out of their minds. 🙂
  
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  September 27, 2018 7:22pm
  - stigie
    
    Now you’ve opened up a can of worms for Morris Dancer Nasska to make out you are the groper and go on his list..?
    You know how the left make shit up ole chap !~
    
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    September 27, 2018 7:27pm
    - nasska
      
      But I’m in the clear. I was just raw meat…..used & abused stigie.
      
      I was the gropee! ?
      
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      September 27, 2018 7:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m sure you are suffering from some ghastly repressed trauma, nasska.
        
        I don’t think telling all of us about your ordeal is ideal therapy (and you might excite some of the unhinged).
        
        I could offer some 1:1 psychobabble counselling for a very substantial fee.
        
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        September 27, 2018 7:38pm
      - nasska
        
        Thanks Maggy…..I was absolutely shattered. 🙂
        
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        September 27, 2018 7:41pm
      - stigie
        
        “Regrettably my admirers/assailants were inevitably fat, ugly, borderline-menopausal & pissed out of their minds.”
        
        From all of the above, i think i would need victim support as well Maggy..?
        
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        September 27, 2018 7:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        i think i would need victim support as well Maggy..?
        
        Oh hell, I’m not offering victim support.
        You can head off to the Standard if you are that way inclined…
        
        I just want to make a fast buck out of Nasska’s misery.
        
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        September 27, 2018 8:00pm
      - stigie
        
        “I just want to make a fast buck out of Nasska’s misery.”
        
        Look Maggy, it must have been a delicate moment back then for Nasska with the pissed blue rinses thrusting themselves at him with gay abandon, i would have thought at least you would have some compassion for the poor sod..?
        
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        September 27, 2018 8:22pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If nasska had been a gentleman, he would have given those poor dears a wee cuddle.
        
        But I fear that nasska has fallen prey to capitalist patriarchial advertising and has some strange notion that fat, ugly, drunk, pre-menopausal women are not sexually desirable.
        
        Before he falls into a trap of leering after firm-breasted young things, I think I could save him with hours of expensive ear-bashing and nagging.
        
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        September 27, 2018 8:39pm
      - stigie
        
        “Before he falls into a trap of leering after firm-breasted young things”
        
        That’s ok Maggy, as long as it’s not in some crusty mall up north that another certain fella on here frequents to get his rocks off !~
        
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        September 27, 2018 8:51pm
- Inandout
  
  I miss Kevin on ‘House of Cards’, not realising at the time of course that he really was enjoying kissing those males. If he was indeed a pedo then I suppose he deserves his fate.
  
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  September 27, 2018 7:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He’s a brilliant actor.
    
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    September 27, 2018 7:40pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      S7ven!
      
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      September 27, 2018 8:38pm
starboard

Funny how whenever liarbor are in govt, they raise ACC fees.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1809/S00342/acc-announces-proposed-changes-to-levies.htm

“Increasing the average motor vehicle levy for road users from $113.94 to $127.68 (a 12.1 per cent increase), which includes a proposed increase of 1.9 cents per litre for petrol.”
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September 27, 2018 8:36pm
- riffer
  
  Oh puh-lease. As one of the 8000-odd motorcyclists who protested at Parliament when Nick Smith was going to raise our rego from $200 to about $1200 (he eventually “only” raised it to $500-odd) I have to say Labour are going to have to raise levies a shit-tonne more to get even close to how much National screwed over me and my fellow motorcyclists.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:15pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yeah actually that’s a fair objection!
    
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    September 27, 2018 9:22pm
  - starboard
    
    fap fap fap rimmer..
    
    “Labour are going to have to raise levies a shit-tonne more”
    
    Dont worry rimmer, they will.
    
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    September 27, 2018 10:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Risk based premium. As a motorcyclist I cannot deny that the ACC cost of motorcycling is massive regardless of who is the “at fault” party. I don’t like it any more than you do but offer an alternative.
    
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    September 28, 2018 12:47am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny starboard not much from the Media party on this increase also thought somebody today said there was an extra percentage ACC tax being applied to fuel that will further drive pump prices. There will not be much reaction until it really starts to hit fixed and low income earners in the pocket from higher fuel prices and the flow on effect to everything.
  
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  September 27, 2018 10:28pm
  - starboard
    
    Yes..1.9 cents extra, and I bet it will be plus GST.
    
    In Thailand we pay the equivalent 1.30 per litre of 91.
    
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    September 28, 2018 12:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      30 baht today.
      
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      September 28, 2018 12:42am
Jack5

Some overseas investment is valuable, but this one is hard to justify.

Manuka Health, NZ’s second biggest honey company, has been sold to a South-east Asian buyer, reports the Hooerald.

Good foreign investment: when it brings expertise that we don’t have; when it builds new industry, preferably export industry, perhaps when it opens new markets.

NZ’s honey, especially manuka honey, is in hot international demand. So much so that Asian consumers are snapping it up in NZ supermarkets and then self exporting it to Asia. The NZ honey industry doesn’t need overseas expertise, it doesn’t need overseas help with marketing, it doesn’t need overseas capital (this isn’t a capital intensive industry).

Sometimes you wonder whether NZ needs a dose of Trump-scale nationalism. We have good entrepreneurs, and fine agriculturists, but our investment community sometimes looks like a bunch of rogues hell bent on fast-and-easy money.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12132962
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September 27, 2018 10:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  Just politicians with courage. Not this time around.
  
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  September 28, 2018 12:40am
Piniwi

Meanwhile Jack5 Jones has been to China and bluntly “put China on notice over its involvement in the New Zealand logging industry.
The Minister of Regional Development has been on a trip to China to promote the new Overseas Investment Office rules and how they apply to forestry. Seems to think most will be in value added finished products while also saying some operations here are unable to get enough logs?
Oblivious of the fact a very large portion of those logs China take are low to mid grade that have not potential for adding value.
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September 27, 2018 10:42pm
- Jack5
  
  Am I right, Piniwi, in thinking that our Pinus radiata is not regarded as high-grade timber in Asia, and that is used there largely for things like crates for packing export goods?
  
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  September 27, 2018 11:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Pulp for toilet paper. Smooth on the Asian bum.
    
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    September 28, 2018 12:39am
- DigNap15
  
  Shane Jones and we, must also appreciate that other countries don’t import our products.
  Their companies do.
  And their companies want the cheapest and best products.
  So they probably want to make the products in their own country where their labour cost is cheaper.
  Its also much cheaper to freight raw materials than finished products.
  
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  September 28, 2018 6:48am
Hugh Pavletich

Higher interest rates threaten overvalued property markets | Financial Times

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-28-september-2018/#comment-3193345 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/westpac-warns/#comment-3193346

Higher interest rates threaten overvalued property markets | Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/content/723fd474-c21c-11e8-8d55-54197280d3f7

Rising interest rates are piling pressure on some of the world’s most over-heated property markets, with Hong Kong exposed as the least affordable housing sector globally, economists have warned.

Some of the largest global banks increased lending rates in Hong Kong on Thursday for the first time since 2006, before the global financial crisis. Analysts said the higher rates would affect borrowers and could slam the brakes on soaring residential prices.

HSBC and Standard Chartered boosted their prime lending rates, from which mortgages are priced, after Hong Kong’s de facto central bank increased the base rate, in lockstep with the US Federal Reserve. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 28, 2018 3:22am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND … HOUSING BUBBLES: ARE THE AUSSIES AND KIWIS ‘DOING AN IRISH’ ? …

… Note the massive interest in the Digital Finance Analytics and Macrobusiness Australia items … accessible below …

Do the Aussies have the capacity to withstand about a $A3.5 trillion hit to its $A7 trillion bubble housing market ?

Do the Kiwis have the capacity to withstand about a $NZ600 billion hit to its $NZ1.1trillion bubble housing market ?

Will Australian property repeat the Irish crash? … Digital Finance Analytics / Macrobusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/will-australian-property-repeat-irish-crash/

… Pavletich comment on thread …
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/will-australian-property-repeat-irish-crash/#comment-3190179

… CONSIDERING THE 2007 IRISH EXPERIENCE …THE MASSIVE RISKS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH … CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND RESEARCH …

The unweighted average median multiples of its metros in 2007 was 4.7, which crashed to 2.8 in subsequent years … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro … about $NZ109 billion.

Currently the average Median Multiples for the Australian and New Zealand metros overall are about 5.9 and 5.8 respectively … refer …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm

Research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high lending multipoles was the greatest problem (more so than loan to value ratios) … and subsequently imposed a general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household income. A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times annual household income … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlinks above …
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September 28, 2018 3:26am
sooty

Rust never sleeps. Hughie don’t either!
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September 28, 2018 7:31am
Fletch

Kavanaugh giving teary opening statement –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVGIiiZXdl4
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September 28, 2018 7:45am
DigNap15

I think Ardern had read some of my vocab lessons as she opened her speech at the UN.
Then she turned in Jesus and waived her hands and all of the African nations and the muslim nations agreed to follow our values when it comes to women.
And after 200 years of industrialisation and coal burning she is worried about rising sea levels.
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