General Debate 26 September 2018

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krazykiwi

Simon Bridges, will you commit to discontinuing the Maori caucus, a patently racist and un-democratic construct which has appeared at the highest level of our country’s governance?

Further, will you commit to rolling back legislated race-based privilege in New Zealand, acknowledging as most NZ’ers do, that we are one people, one nation, irrespective of our individual ethnicities?
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September 26, 2018 8:00am
- Dave Mann
  
  Of course not. What do you think he and the National party are? Racists??? Don’t you realise that it’s racist to claim that every citizen should be treated equally in New Zealand? Rinse your mouth out and don’t ever bring up this dangerous idea again.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:08am
- Sofia
  
  Adams said there had been no proper statement from the Prime Minister on what occurred, none from Whaitiri and no apology to the staff member.
  
  “The public of New Zealand deserve to know if we have a minister of the Crown laying hands on a staff member to the extent that they end up with bruising.”
  
  Deputy Labour leader and Māori caucus member Kelvin Davis told Parliament the Māori caucus was sticking to its tikanga in its support of Whaitiri and did not have to answer to Adams for its actions.
  
  “One of our tikanga is to stand up and support our people when they need our support,” Davis said.
  
  That did not mean they passed judgment or agreed or disagreed with what was done, he said.
  
  “In Māoridom it’s important to stand beside your people, it’s important to be there, just to hold them up, just to help.”
  
  Jackson said Whaitiri “100 per cent” had the confidence of the Māori caucus.
  – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12131492
  
  Is this a tikanga that by another name would be “gang culture”, loyalty or staunchness, and as such may not actually be healthy, nor appropriate to advance wellbeing?
  
  As this tikanga did not invigorate the Maori Caucus “to stand up and support our people when they need our support”, as with partnership schools – to preserve an educational taonga that successfully served the needs of Maori students who were failed (and in many cases expelled) by the state system, that they now return to – why is it trotted out now as a cultural shield?
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:08am
  - kevn
    
    ‘They’ are so full of sh*t.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:10am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    If the allegation of bruising is true this will be a lot more serious.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:14am
    - lifesgood
      
      I hope she took photos of the bruises. Amy Adams mentioned bruising several times in Parliament yesterday. The bruising was not denied.
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:18am
      - Liberty
        
        Col was totally roasted roasted by Amy and Judith.
        The response from Col was worse than pathetic.
        Meanwhile labour current leader is away on yet another junket.
        
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        September 26, 2018 9:43am
      - Piniwi
        
        While lifesgood old Winston First simply challenged them about how they seemed to know so much detail ahead of the “massaged” inquiry report? No denial but the usual question in response to a question tells more than he intended we might think. The next question should be will he seek refuge in the witless protection system on Thursday in his role of acting PM to visit an urgent event? Races somewhere maybe?
        
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        September 26, 2018 3:09pm
  - kowtow
    
    As always you can rely on the media party to hold to account./
    
    Can you imagine the shit storm they would create if the assailant had been a white male Tory ?
    
    The media are nothing but hypocritical , left wing , anti white , activists.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:21am
    - kowtow
      
      power to account
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:25am
    - Nick R
      
      *Cough* Gerry Brownlee *Cough cough*.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1191987
      
      But then he had to resign from Parliament, didn’t he? Yeah, I’m sure that’s what happened
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:43am
      - Tall Man
        
        Cough cough yourself. That was part of a confrontation, I though basher Whaiteri’s victim was on the same team.
        
        Civil prosecution bar is infinitely lower and at the time there was an inference that the assault went both ways but Brownlee being the bigger man, in all ways, did not press charges.
        
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        September 27, 2018 12:16am
    - Piniwi
      
      Funny kowtow as the silly little girl was quick to talk up NZ not being sexist when interviewed by Amoan-poor. That like racism is another one way term it seems pinned on the cloak of sanctimony or the shield of hypocrisy.
      
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      September 26, 2018 3:14pm
  - Paulus
    
    If any of her Maori Caucus objected she would give them a stiff one for tikanga sake.
    She is a physically powerful “woman”.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:25am
    - dubya
      
      I don’t question her womanhood, but she is most certainly not a lady.
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:47am
  - niggly
    
    Willie Jackson is the gift that keeps giving!
    
    I mean who else would be so stupid as to want to eagerly show NZ’ers just how stupid they really are?
    
    The other stupid thing is it makes Labour & their Maori Caucus look rotten to the core.
    
    First it was sexual assault (Labour Summer Camp), now it is alleged physical assault and in both cases the Labour Party are handling them abysmally.
    
    It’s almost like … Labour just don’t learn from their mistakes.
    
    Worse Government Ever? Yes!
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:47am
    - Viking2
      
      Willie of course has parentage in her neck of the woods.
      Oh dam see what I just did.
      I meant to indicate the East cape Gisbourne not Christchurch.
      
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      September 26, 2018 2:29pm
  - mstewart
    
    Wacko is another gutless tangangsta whenua bully
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:13am
  - Jazzby
    
    This is yet another example of why tribalism is incompatible with democracy: kin relationship evidently overrides obedience to the law.
    Unless and until one of our political leaders unequivocally declares that we are all equally subject to civil law, regardless of gender, religion, or -most particularly – race, then this country will continue on its downward slide into social schism and strife.
    The nation desperately needs a reboot.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:57am
    - KevOB
      
      How can anyone outside the culture “partner” with these people? It’s regarded by them as proper to look after themselves and family. To take advantage of an outsider is good behaviour. In commerce: let the buyer be really aware. The trickyness of Maui is still alive. Is the Waitangi Tribunal a setup? Land was acquired by physical conquest–takers keepers (until retaken.)
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:55am
  - radvad
    
    Is it also their “tikanga” to uphold and support Bridges and Bennett? Just wondering.
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:34am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Well that is a bloody good question.
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:00am
  - Random Punter
    
    “We as Maori shouldn’t have to justify the way we operate.” (Kelvin Davis in the debate yesterday on Meka Whaitiri.)
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:49am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      It’s unbelievable. Every NZ citizen should have to justify the way they operate if a crime is involved!
      
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      September 26, 2018 4:13pm
  - sightpicture
    
    Kelvin Davis is a bigoted racist but a Maori one, so he will prosper.
    
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    September 26, 2018 2:31pm
- wiseowl
  
  Hear ,hear krazy.
  New Zealanders should be up in arms about what is happening and the worst part is our so-called representatives are allowing this apartheid system to develop and grow before our eyes.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:10am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Sadly, I have only one tick to give you for this excellent observation. The whole country seems to have bought into the idea that since this corrupt violent tribalist stoneage ‘culture’ was here before the country became civilised, then it’s somehow a ‘national treasure’ which should be encouraged and pandered to at every opportunity. Stupid.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:17am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I think it’s appropriate to respect Maori culture as part of our nation’s heritage. But what pisses me off to the max is the use of this culture as a political weapon, promoting class warfare and societal division. Divide and conquer stuff. We need to be united as one nation, not divided by deliberately engineered identity politics.
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:30am
      - DigNap15
        
        The thing is that if you ask a Maori person what they are they will say Maori or their tribe.
        They never say New Zealander! or Kiwi
        
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        September 26, 2018 8:43am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I don’t think it’s appropriate to respect Maori ‘culture’ at all, sorry.
        
        They achieved nothing of value in the hundreds of years they were here, they ran their society along lines of tribalism, slavery, constant warfare and cannibalism, They had no written language and no concept of mathematics, philosophy or anything else which helps to lead humans towards a better life.
        
        I honestly reckon that the common Maori realised what a great opportunity had been presented to them when the Europeans arrived and, to their credit, they embraced it and ran with it and good on them. They got away from the chiefs and tribal power structure and became New Zealanders.
        
        Then came the fucking Raglan Golf Course fiasco and it all went downhill from then on.
        
        Obviously if government gives preferred status to these people, they are going to jump on the gravy train. The only solution is to stop bowing to the radical elements. But will this happen? Fat chance, sadly.
        
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        September 26, 2018 8:56am
      - Piniwi
        
        But krazykiwi while it is fair to expect people to “respect” native culture is only their culture which we encourage them to contain within the bounds of their own tribal structure. The majority accepted the steady diversity that came with peoples of many countries making NZ their new home. Each arrived with their own cultural and religious beliefs which we also respected their right to practice in most cases without prejudice. By and large they too accepted the rule of law being there for the mutual benefit of all. That a minority chooses to seek favor and special treatment while trying to force feed the nation on a stone age culture is sure to find resistance. While they might seek to further their interests with a native caucus their very tribal nature makes that an oxymoron.
        
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        September 26, 2018 3:35pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Dave Mann,
        
        good points, especially about slavery and cannibalism. But at least those things have ended. There is one thing that survives to this day: deeply ingrained sexism.
        
        When I worked at a government department and we did a marae protocol course, women were told in no uncertain terms that they had no right to speak. The old guy giving the course informed us with glee that in the past any woman standing up to speak on the marae would have been immediately struck down – dead. And that the reason older women do the initial greeting was – get this – in case the visitors turned nasty and started an attack. The older women were ‘disposable’.
        
        He really said these things! To people learning about Maori customs in a government department.
        
        Even today on most maraes women can’t be speakers: https://teara.govt.nz/en/marae-protocol-te-kawa-o-te-marae/page-1
        
        Maori protocol isn’t just a kind of hobby harking back to old times where one takes on old gender roles for the evening (like classical European dancing for instance); it’s much more than that.
        
        If Maori women are happy with all that, it’s up to them, but please don’t ask me to ‘respect’ such a culture.
        
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        September 26, 2018 3:56pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The fatal flaw of tribalism is that it is a form of identity politics.
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:20am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Very true and Maori tribes were definitely not equal, they almost had a caste system, so are those with Maori heritage in the National Party of higher ‘caste’ than those in Labour?
        
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        September 26, 2018 11:04am
  - artemisia
    
    DigNap15
    
    The thing is that if you ask a Maori person what they are they will say Maori or their tribe. They never say New Zealander! or Kiwi
    
    Nonsense. Never ever heard anybody in my extended family say that. Of course there is little benefit in doing so as with no exceptions they are not in prison, not on benefit except some on super, self reliant without hands out for free money ….
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:17am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Or attending university? Maori at Waikato were definitely encouraged to identify as such, there were advantages, from being invited to meet dignitaries, hosting Maori judicial fellows, special functions, special vocational evenings etc.
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:12am
      - Paulus
        
        Surely the Waitangi University called Massey – assume its name will be Maorified shortly.
        
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        September 26, 2018 1:23pm
- cmm
  
  “which has appeared at the highest level of our country’s governance? ”
  
  Correction: which has appeared as the highest level of our country’s governance.
  
  Also do away with the Maori commissioner for climate change etc.
  
  That appointment is no doubt also the doing of the Maori caucus.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:16am
- Keeping Stock
  
  To be fair to Bridges krazykiwi, there’s not much he can do about internal groupings within Labour. Because essentially, that’s all the “Maori caucus” is. It has no official standing, and I suspect it is nothing more than a powerplay by Labour’s Maori MP’s to try and make themselves feel important.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:22am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Quite correct. Simon Bridges, Paula Bennett and David Seymour are all Maori but I don’t think we will see any of this trio racing off to join something as divisive and racist as a ‘Maori caucus’. Be good to see them calling it out for what it is, though.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:50am
    - Dave Mann
      
      No they’re not Maoris. They are mixed race with a little bit of Maori in them. Being of mixed race of course shouldn’t have any relevance …. but since Maoris have become the chosen race it’s suddenly very important.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:05am
      - Komata
        
        Dave M
        
        A small but important detail often ‘Deliberately’ overlooked, is that there are now no ‘Pure-blood’ Maori’s left alive; – only ‘degrees’, due to the extent of introduced ‘Contamination’.
        
        Close encounters with ‘Outsiders’ since the late 1700’s does tend to have that eventual effect…
        
        On that basis, it follows that the less ‘Dilute’ you are, that the greater your ‘status’ within the ethnicity, yet noticeably, there are some with mininal amount of suntan who make the loudest noise…
        
        (Just saying)
        
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        September 26, 2018 12:03pm
      - Viking2
        
        Dave m
        
        FWIW
        
        DNA tests are becoming more accurate, but do have their flaws, says an expert, following a TV show test that showed a woman was “100 per cent Maori”.
        
        Maori Television journalist Oriini Kaipara took the test on Native Affairs on Tuesday night. She said she expected it to be about 80 per cent and would have been surprised if it had been less.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/91480531/native-affairs-reveal-dna-test-of-fullblooded-maori-woman
        
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        September 26, 2018 2:35pm
      - ross411
        
        It sounds like a vampire movie. There are the privileged full blooded vampires, lesser half blooded vampires, and the normal people going about their lives expected to be cattle farmed for resources.
        
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        September 27, 2018 4:05pm
  - niggly
    
    Well Labour’s Maori Caucus have painted a big fat target on themselves for the likes of the Maori Party to get Utu with Labour via the voters.
    
    In nine years of the National Government, the Maori Party didn’t do anything remotely as stupid as what some of the Labour Maori MP’s have done (assault and then an unquestioning show of solidarity with the perpetrator).
    
    Just goes to show yet again how the Labour Party trample over everyday Maori (i.e. as Kiwi individual’s) and pay lip service to them, whilst their MP’s live it up at the trough congratulating themselves how great and untouchable they are!
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:00am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Why? they are doing enough damage to their credibility all by themselves.
  “Never interrupt an enemy, while they are making a mistake”
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:33am
Steve (North Shore)

Laugh at President Donald Trump? You will be sorry
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September 26, 2018 8:02am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  You can’t drain a swamp with harsh words. The US should withdraw from the UN and start an alternative consisting only of democratic countries that respect human rights.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:07am
  - krazykiwi
    
    This. +100
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:08am
  - ross411
    
    The most important human right these days is using the right gender pronoun. If Trump gets removed and more toxic left wing leaders like Obama get in and push identity politics, then that new UN could easily be polluted with more of the same. ?‍♂️
    
    That’s a facepalming emoji, but the emoji set used here is so horrendous that who knows what half these emojis are.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:43am
  - SGA
    
    an alternative consisting only of democratic countries that respect human rights.
    
    It would entertaining seeing what agreement was reached on what counted as “respect human rights” or “democracy”, I suspect. I imagine you’d need more that “I know it when I see it approach”. Probably easy to identify countries at either end of the spectrum, but with uncomfortable grays in between – and then other factors such as whether they are “friendly” or not would start to creep in.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:57am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Totally agree. UN is a corrupt socialist shithole – think they are world govt. On your bike UN
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:14am
  - KevOB
    
    That respect for human rights might be applied to the USA too. What is it but an act of war to threaten Germany for buying gas from Russia? Copious other external threats against sovereign states.
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:01am
  - softail 1450
    
    Nigel ,,,excellent…..
    
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    September 26, 2018 2:11pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Never mind Steve, the first baby is photographed sitting up at an official table in the UN and frowning at Trump. World news on twitter.
  How come the first baby and the Prince Regent are even in there? Is Clarke now one of NZ’s officials at the UN?
  And where is the taxpayer funded nanny?
  Why is she/he in the US if the Prince is actually going to use the baby as a personal advancement tool.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:10am
  - lifesgood
    
    Just imagine if all delegates took their kids. What a bloody shambles. How utterly arrogant of our embarrassing PM.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:19am
    - lifesgood
      
      And, just imagine if JK had taken Max along. The lefties would be outraged.
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:21am
    - dave_c_
      
      Why the need to let them all take their kids. The kids are the ones attending in the first instance.
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:47am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Let the kids run UN. Same IQ
      
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      September 26, 2018 12:18pm
  - cmm
    
    The kid is a fashion accessory.
    
    If she went in without the kid she’d be a nobody. People would ask her to fetch coffee.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:21am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I don’t think she is that trusted and the smell of chips in the auditorium would becomes stale really quickly.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:01am
  - G152
    
    So far the only media interested in the B, B +B (Bitch, Bastard + Baby) is the fake news.
    And they’re onto the next Trump hating story already
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:22am
  - Paulus
    
    I assume that Clarke and the baby both have Diplomatic Passports, and Diplomatic Protection staff.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:27am
  - tas
    
    Partners are not entitled to taxpayer-funded travel, but nannies are. I hear Jacinda’s nanny is a chap named Gay Clarkford.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:30am
    - dave_c_
      
      I believe that’s not all he is to her !
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:48am
    - Kabull
      
      I thought it was Jacinda’s mum who traveled as nanny?
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:02am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Just shit. Cindy and first fish want privacy in NZ, but at UN it is different. Narcisists
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:16am
  - BlairM
    
    I think you mean “Prince Consort”. A Prince Regent would be the man actually running the country instead of the incapacitated Queen, and that’s quite clearly Winston Peters, not Gayford, who like his defacto, couldn’t run a bath.
    
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    September 26, 2018 1:06pm
  - RF
    
    Actually it’s rather creepy seeing First fish taking First baby into the UN. Sleeze with a capital S.
    
    I figure Cindy is going need deflection when she comes home to the mess she left behind so expect to see First baby sitting on the Ducks knee.
    
    Talk about hillbillies running a hick Govt.
    
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    September 26, 2018 3:51pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Pre-organised to laugh at Trump. Such mature behaviour from the UN members who rate themselves above everyone else.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:21am
  - geoff3012
    
    I think Trump should put a bloody big spanner in the UN’s works…..they’re a toothless waste of space anyway.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:30am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And happy to take American money.
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:15am
  - softail 1450
    
    W G,absolutely,it was an orchestrated laugh ,what did he say that wasn’t true?
    
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    September 26, 2018 2:15pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The US have complained for decades that
  1. they are the most abused country at the UN
  2. They pay for the dam thing
  3.They house it on their soil
  Many would rather it was gone.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:35am
  - igm
    
    It would be more appropriate in Teheran.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  From breitbart
  
  ‘But they did not laugh after Trump delivered a strong speech vowing to stand up for American interests around the world.
  
  He repeated his vow to fight for America’s interests first, signaling his willingness to fight for fair and reciprocal trade and building up America’s military defense.’
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:51am
  - tas
    
    This is what Trump said that the UN general assembly laughed at.
    
    In less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country. America’s… So true.
    
    What has he accomplished? The deficit is ballooning, he pulled out of some international agreements, and introduced some tariffs. Beyond that it seems very little has changed. How’s the wall coming along? Has North Korea taken any action on denuclearisation, or are they still just talking? How’s Obamacare repeal going? When will the budget be balanced? He can’t even blame congress, since that’s controlled by his party.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:01am
    - kowtow
      
      Yeah , great isn’t it , the media taking so much pleasure out of mocking a democratically elected white guy trying to make a difference , and no doubt a large proportion of the laughers will be from shithole third world dictatorship , kleptocracies. Strange company these media types and other “progressives” keep.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:12am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      A few points
      He is only one branch of govt.
      Achievements
      Lower unemployment
      higher growth Talks with N. Korea (nuclear agreements took YEARS with the USSR.
      Changing trade agreements to be more evenly balance, already signed one with Mexico.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:25am
      - tas
        
        He is one branch of government, but his party controls the other branches, so it’s a weak excuse to blame congress.
        
        Economic growth and employment figures have continued the strong Obama-era trend. He deserves a pat on the back for not fucking things up, but he can hardly crow about it as great achievement, given that he inherited good numbers.
        
        Talks with North Korea are still just that — talks.
        
        The only trade agreement he has signed is with South Korea. Mexico supposedly agreed to something, but it hasn’t been signed yet.
        
        There is progress, but not much. So I’d say “In less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country.” deserves to be laughed at
        
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        September 26, 2018 9:33am
      - Cobolt24
        
        Id like to expand on the NK part. Yes he has got NK talking, they’re planning for a second meeting very soon, in them include plans for a complete denuclearisation if I recall correctly.
        
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        September 26, 2018 9:42am
      - tas
        
        You believe North Korea’s promises?
        
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        September 26, 2018 10:42am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Wrong about the “Obama era trend” in employment. What you are doing is following the sheep like trend to believe fake numbers. The US measures unemployment a little differently to most countries in that those unemployed for over a year are omitted, so they can have a steady wastage of jobs and reducing employment while reporting nominally good unemployment data. To remove the worst of this you need to also look at the participation rate. That isn’t a perfect correction, but helps. So if you have a low unemployment and a decreasing participation rate as they had under Obama, you have unacknowledged job losses and an overall reduction in employment – that is increasing real unemployment.
        
        What we see under Trump is a smallish reduction in the unemployment rate AND an increase in the participation rate – that signals a growth in real employment.
        
        So the real figures show increasing real unemployment under Obama and decreasing real unemployment under Trump.
        
        On NK, everyone “just talks” to NK and have done over many years – Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama etc. However Trump has at least made apparent progress – it certainly remains to be said if this is as ephemeral as all the other attempts to engage with that regime and I wouldn’t hand out any medals or peace prizes yet, but I do think Trump can be praised for what appears to be a genuine attempt to make some real progress. Remember how “everyone” claimed that he was leading the world to WW3 and nuclear conflict with NK ? Not so much talk of that now, so perhaps “everyone” simply did not understand the strategy and how a different approach might play out.
        
        Trade is interesting, I’d certainly disagree with the idea of a real return to high tariffs and restrictions on trade, but at the same time again maybe we’re just seeing a different approach to negotiating. The Mexico agreement is pretty much a done deal though Canada refuses to negotiate further (for it seems largely internal political considerations), SK is signed up. Rightly or wrongly Trump sees, I believe, trade agreements as good things provided that they represent free and fair trade – from an American perspective of what free and fair constitutes. And he’s hardballing his way to that scenario. So he isn’t a tariff and restriction believer as such, but is more than willing to use those as levers in achieving what he sees as appropriate terms. As long as he isn’t too chauvinistic about what is fair, that can be perhaps a way toi remove at least some of the numerous existing restrictions on free trade that currently exist.
        
        I’d say that he has made real progress but because the national and international media is so opposed to him it isn’t reported except in negative terms. That is in a complete contrast to Obama as an example, who made no progress at all (and went backwards in many ways like real employment) and yet the sycophantic news media reported him as if he was actually succeeding.
        
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        September 26, 2018 10:48am
      - tas
        
        Ed: If I gave you a plot of the unemployment rate leading up to Trump’s inauguration and asked you to continue the trend, then you’d get exactly what has happened. Seriously, look at the graph before you say Trump has done wonders.
        
        https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:US&ifdim=country&tstart=1259136000000&tend=1529910000000&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false
        
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        September 26, 2018 11:18am
      - tas
        
        Regarding North Korea, I’ll believe it when I see it. I do not believe that Kim Jong-un is serious about wanting to give up the nuclear deterrent he has fought so hard for. I think he is playing games.
        
        I think Trump’s summit with Kim and cooling of Korean tensions is an achievement comparable with Obama’s thaw with and visit to Cuba. It’s a historic moment, a great photo op, and fills the air with warm fuzzy feelings. But the reality is that the other party was just waiting for this to happen and the US only needed to ask. Kim Jong-un (and his precedessors) loves meeting with US dignitaries. If Obama had wanted a photo op with Kim, the North Koreans would happily oblige. It’s not really an achievement to give the other side something they want.
        
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        September 26, 2018 11:29am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Tas, you still need to include the participation rate data, the unemployment figures on their own don’t represent what is actually happening. As I say, participation isn’t a complete corrective but it is a very important one.
        
        I invite you to look at that statistic as well. Under Obama’s last years the participation rate dropped to lows not seen since the 1950’s or 60’s; but it has improved since then.
        
        Governments tend to overemphasize their impact on every trend seen as positive – and that applies to governments of all stripes. I don’t think that except on a very broad approach neither Obama nor Trump have/had as much influence on employment rates as they would like to claim. Of course if the unemployment rates went up it would have nothing to do with them, but I digress.
        
        I suggest that taken in the aggregate looking at unemployment and participation, Trump has generally had a positive influence on employment, and Obama had a negative one.
        
        And I’d disagree about the Cuba/NK comparison though time will tell.
        
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        September 26, 2018 1:16pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      You forgot more jobs, more business, less tax.
      Rome was not built in a day
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:19am
      - KevOB
        
        When the big Corporates offshored their business, capital and profits the USA lost control of them.
        
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        September 26, 2018 11:08am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Didn’t Jacinda say something along similar lines, when she was crowing about being on ‘that’ side of the house?
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:18am
    - softail 1450
      
      Tas i,m surprised you have Internet connection from whichever nuthouse you have been confined to for your raging T D S.
      Do you dislike him because he is a billionaire or because he has a beautiful wife? something a bitter jealous old tosser like you has never experienced.
      
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      September 26, 2018 2:19pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      What has Trump achieved?
      The Japanese are quite pleased Kim isn’t lobbing rockets over their heads.
      Quite a few American folk are pleased to have found work recently.
      Work has started on the wall.
      NATO are stepping up to pay their own bills.
      The Iranians have been told to take their hands out of the US taxpayers pocket.
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:56pm
holysheet

A woman walks into her accountant’s office and tells him that she needs to file her taxes. The accountant says, “Before we begin, I’ll need to ask a few questions.” He gets her name, address, social security number, etc. and then asks, “What is your occupation?” The woman replies, “I’m a whore.” The accountant balks and says, “No, no, no. That will never work. That is much too crass. Let’s try to rephrase that.” The woman, “Ok, I’m a prostitute.” “No, that is still too crude. Try again.” They both think for a minute, then the woman states, “I’m a chicken farmer.” The accountant asks, “What does chicken farming have to do with being a whore or a prostitute?” “Well, I raised over 5,000 cocks last year.”
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September 26, 2018 8:05am
Hollyfield

For a long time the media have referred to “New Zealand’s First Baby”. That has been sickening enough, but not unexpected from a media which focuses almost entirely on trivia and “celebrity”, but now we hear there is an official UN security pass for “Baby Neve” which lists her occupation as “New Zealand First Baby”.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12131663
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September 26, 2018 8:06am
- igm
  
  So is NZ First employing bastards?
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:20am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Makes a change from absolute inept tossers and maori, such not being mutually exclusive, so we must welcome this diversification!
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:05am
  - Viking2
    
    Or was the fisherman a NZ first plant?
    What do they call those ladies that get planted to seduce the men?
    
    Might be Peter’s godson or something/
    yeh
    
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    September 26, 2018 2:40pm
- dubya
  
  Apparently the First Baby’ UN pass was compensation after Ardern asked for hers to say ‘First DJ’, only to find Max Key got it years ago.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:27am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Winston really is into everything!
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:56am
- niggly
  
  Here’s the question. WHO told the UN staff to put the words “NZ First Baby” on the ID?
  
  Unlikely to have been UN staff themselves. It’s such an American term no doubt the UN staff themselves are a diverse (international) bunch and wouldn’t use it.
  
  Can NZ Police HQ put out a statement denying it was, cough cough, Clarkie? 😉
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:06am
- Harkman
  
  I read a soppy CNN piece on Cindy yesterday and the writer said ‘It was a shock when Jacinda beat Bill English” Yes that was a shock to me to, considering it never happened, 44.5% beats 36.9% in every language.
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:12am
  - igm
    
    Bet the lying hag never attempted to put the record straight . . . she is not only a disgrace, she is totally dislikeable.
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:10am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Beat him to sign a deal with Winston though !
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:49am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Bill had one Ace, two Kings and two fives. Cindy had one Ace, two Kings and two fives. The other prick had some nothing except a pair of Aces.
    Guess what?
    
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    September 26, 2018 6:02pm
Harriet

History has shown us that Muslims thrive under military rule, while recent history has shown us that Christians in the west under current civilian governments don’t. 😎
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September 26, 2018 8:13am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes every day some organsiation calls itself Aoeteroa this or that.
  The news on the radio is full of Maori jumbo jumbo.
  It really has to stop.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:19am
  - DigNap15
    
    They have their own tv station and many radio stations which we all subsidise and yet TV1 and TV3 are full of Maori programs on Sunday.
    How much more do they need/want/deserve?
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:24am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      They want it all and deserve nothing.
      
      ‘We are now one people’ Not so fast there whitey.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:09am
      - riffer
        
        The translation to English was more like “we are now two people together as one.” Maori are approx 17% of the population. I don’t see them getting that large a slice of the pie. It’s more like 5%. So how much more do they want?/need/deserve? I guess, if we are being fair, at least three times what they have now.
        
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        September 26, 2018 12:33pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Funny DigNap15 it is only when Labour is in charge that native TV has to restructure with 18 odd redundancies. Expect their numbers are falling as fast as the percentage of native gibberish speaking putty people.
      
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      September 26, 2018 3:52pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  A consequence of polygamy is a lot of frustrated aggressive and marginalised younger men with little to lose. Repressive governance is the only way to deal with it.
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:26am
wiseowl

It appears National have had behind the scenes meetings with Cindy over climate change policy.
before you go any further National, get some alternative advice.Talk to Joanne Nova or Sir Ian Plimer and get another opinion.
Don’t sign up to a scam.
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September 26, 2018 8:15am
- cmm
  
  transparently behind the scenes no doubt.
  
  Look, this climate change lark will continue for a long time because it is such a neat way to do handouts for your mates.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  Blue team , red team . Matters not . There is a professional political class working hard for each other , all the while pretending they “represent ” us.
  
  Work harder comrade , we demand your taxes . The only difference is the blue team kindly allows you to keep a little more for yourself than the red team.
  
  Don’t believe me , just look at Ann Marie Brady’s work on how donkey deep the Nats are with Red China.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:34am
- KevOB
  
  See this–forget a 2 degree rise. MIT new paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/09/24/mit-climate-tipping-point-busted-globe-needs-to-reach-152f-before-runaway-greenhouse-effect-kicks-in/
  
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  September 26, 2018 11:13am
VicParking

Cindy “Donald, how are the discussions going about the Aluminium and steel Tariffs”
Donald “Didn’t I greet you earlier with your Husband Justin”
Cindy “No I’m the PM of New Zealand”
Donald “Yes I remember the un-married mother who cant tell Bronze from Orange – text me your gmail address”
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September 26, 2018 8:17am
secondcumming

My missus has always been a keen observer of what is known as ‘the human condition’.

She was saying that on 1Ewes last nite, they showed Colon Craig and his wife entering the Auckland Court House, closely followed by Rachel McGregor and her team of supporters.

The thing that really caught her attention, was Colon’s obvious predilection for (…..how do I put this without sounding rude like she did?), shall we just say, ‘fuller-figured women’ 😎
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September 26, 2018 8:17am
- VicParking
  
  I think its a ‘predilection’ for any women who will even look at him without being sick.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:23am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Cheap shot secondcoming. Rachel McGregor was quite petite when she was working for Craig, but has admitted to gaining weight over the time this litigation is going on. I can identify with that only too easily; comfort food becomes a refuge when one is stressed, and Craig has certainly caused no end of stress to McGregor.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:27am
  - secondcumming
    
    Well it’s never affected my missus KS…..and she’s the first to tell people I’m the biggest a-hole she’s ever met. Go figure.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:36am
    - stephen2d
      
      Your wife is right.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:44am
- BlueGriffon
  
  Rachel wasn’t “fuller figured” when she was working with him. The depression/stress he has caused her over the years has caused that.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:33am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Whatever.
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:23am
flipper

So the bastion if “democracy” (aka the so called UN) laughed at Trump.
But there are the dreams of the “Globalista” laughing to cover up the fact that they, including many who should (do?) know better, are scared shitless …. and then there is reality.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/25/trump-at-un-elites-may-laugh-but-americans-can-see-through-globaloney.html
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September 26, 2018 8:19am
- tas
  
  Didn’t Donald promise that the world would stop laughing at the US when he’s in charge. How’s that going?
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:33am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes was baby Neve the first bastard child to appear at the UN?
    Poor we thing?
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:41am
  - Harkman
    
    Well he cut their gravy train, so guess who’s laughing?
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:15am
DigNap15

Time for the UN to go.
Because of sheer numbers it is dominated by tin pot African shit holes and muslim countries that don’t care for human rights at all.
Not only that but for the last 50 years it has never stopped a war, or intervenes far too late in civil wars etc.
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September 26, 2018 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  But where would Labour politicians go for sinecures after they get voted out ( and that’s not just from NZ)
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They go to Regional Councils and Mayoralties.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:58am
    - sooty
      
      The public trough is were lefties gather!
      One law for me, one law for thee!
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:17am
    - sightpicture
      
      Yep…. Auckland, Wellington, Wanganui, Christchurch, Dunedin…
      
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      September 26, 2018 2:36pm
- Paulus
  
  I understand that among free land and many other facilities in New York the USA funds almost 25% of the income to the UN – and more people there will do anything to destroy the USA.
  Easy Trump = Cut the funding to say 10% and charge rent on the properties.
  Why should we expect that the US should continue to be caught up in nefarious world troubles ?
  Let others sort out their own wars and religions.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:34am
  - Biscuit
    
    Paulus, the BBC website has an interesting graphic up:
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-45632672/reality-check-does-america-pay-too-much-to-the-un
    
    Me, I’d disband the thing completely, split it up (in different global cities) into its various useful components. There ARE some, I believe!
    
    This week – with umpteen leaders in New York for a talkfest – achieves two-thirds of sweet-stuff-all that couldn’t be achieved by a ginormous televideo conference. Everyone was there, you’ll have noticed, for Trump’s speech. Very few will be there for any other leaders’ speeches, New Zealand’s own included.
    
    (That ain’t a dig at Jacinda, by the way. A TV camera panned about the General Assembly when John Key gave a ‘keynote’ speech there once and I swear there have been times when my TOILET had had more people in it…)
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:07am
    - Paulus
      
      Ardern’s speech has been put back to Friday now.
      Most people leave on Thursday but not the NZ media who are instructed to stay.
      
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      September 26, 2018 1:32pm
  - tas
    
    The UN provides a forum for countries to talk shit, rather than go to war.
    
    There is a lot of shit that happens there, but ultimately everyone (including the US) is better off having it.
    
    The amount the US pays to the UN is partly cancelled out by the contribution UN headquarters makes to the New York City economy.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:54am
    - Biscuit
      
      Tas, New York would benefit hugely if the self-important bigwigs at the UN were obliged to pay the hundreds of millions of dollars they’ve run up in parking fines over the years and which ‘diplomatic immunity’ excuses them for.
      
      You ever been in New York traffic, too, on a day (and this week would be a great example) when all of the sods are in town? I read that Jacinda is finding it easier just to WALK to the UN Building…
      
      I am neutral on your claim that ‘ultimately everyone is better off having (the UN’.
      
      What conflict has it actually prevented/resolved?
      
      What rulings has it made (any re Israel, any re Iraq, any re Styria, to name just three) that haven’t simply been ignored by one of the countries with a veto?
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:08am
      - Biscuit
        
        Oops.
        
        Last time I looked, Syria had no T in its spelling!
        
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        September 26, 2018 10:10am
    - kowtow
      
      Nope , even when they know bad shit is happening ,they ignore it. Even when two “Africans” headed the organisation. And Dallaire also puts Saint Bill Clinton in the gun for not helping.
      
      Rwanda genocide.
      
      ‘ And it showed UN officials – Annan and then-Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali among them – unable or unwilling to act on information from the field that a massive slaughter was occurring and that they needed to do something to stop it.’
      
      Doesn’t matter though , black lives only seem
      to matter when its a white cop shooting a ‘gangsta” in the US.
      
      https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/201-rwanda/39240.html
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:20am
holysheet

“I lie to you?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gZ6-6RbSEg

Rumour has it Jeff copied Cindy when he came up with of Achmed. The teeth tell it all.
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September 26, 2018 8:22am
krazykiwi

Sweden’s embattled Prime Minister, who led his left-wing coalition to a historically poor result in this month’s national elections, has lost a confidence vote, meaning he will have to step down as the national leader.
Social Democrats party leader Stefan Löfven has been Sweden’s Prime Minister since 2014 and will continue in the post as the nation’s interim Prime Minister until a new governing coalition can be formed.

Löfven oversaw the biggest arrival of migrants in Sweden’s history. He is also only the second PM to have his government fail on a no confidence vote, significant as the Social Democrats party has been in power continuously since 1914.
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September 26, 2018 8:25am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “…as the Social Democrats party has been in power continuously since 1914.”
  
  Mark Twain said that political parties should be changed frequently, like diapers — and for the same reason.
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:23am
oldpark

Just something to remember for angry conned Peters/NZF voters. When snake oil got you’re votes at the last election he did just a couple of sneaky decisions.
Like the tax cuts he voted for fixed income old age elderly pensioners. Yes he reneged on them and voted against them .Yet around the same time he and his Coalition of Far Left Lunatics,Greens/Liebour voted to increase petrol prices . The decision of Peters gang of no hopers and their petrol price increases will be a reality in a few days time .A litre of 91 will cost circa $2.50.
Who knows how long will it be with the policies of Peters supported Far Left Lunatics,the price of Petrol will be circa $3.00 Per Litre. Especially since the same ratbag losers are about to legislate the end of Oil and Gas exploration in NZ.
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September 26, 2018 8:25am
- Paulus
  
  Peters is talking to his rest home geriatric faithful on Sunday afternoon in Tauranga – at the racecourse of course: he probably gets it for free.
  A few of us might bother to go along to fill the empty seats, but not really we kicked him out at the time he was sadly MP for Tauranga – why give succour to the Hippocrite ?
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:37am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Go, and report back. ?
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:50am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Phone in a gun threat, nothing will happen.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:49am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      No don’t go otherwise he can say that people turned up. Or go and stage a protest, don’t expect tv coverage though.
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:33am
    - Paulus
      
      My wife says do that and await Divorce papers.
      
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      September 26, 2018 1:34pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Peters’ personal hatred of National is compromising any governance credibility he may have once had.
  His rages are contemptable..
  He is an embarrassment.
  He is yesterday’s man.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:39am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    He wasn’t anyone’s (besides his own) man yesterday either.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Forget his name, leftie, loser, economist was on TV3 blaming
  Oil prices
  Falling dollar
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  taxes
  For the rising prices.
  So, the dollar has fallen from 74c USD to 66c USD in the year since these clowns got in and started it’s slide the second winnie selected JA.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:52am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Crude prices
    Average crude oil prices in 2012 were at historically high levels for the second year in a row. Brent crude oil averaged $111.67 per barrel, slightly above the 2011 average of $111.26. West Texas Intermediate oil averaged $94.05 per barrel in 2012, down slightly from $94.88 in 2011.Jan 10, 2013
    2017 around $60/ barrel
    Now just under $80/ barrel
    So crude is bellow the level of 2012, meaning it’s the govt’s (taxes) fault that prices are so high.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:00am
    - MCos
      
      There are other factors besides oil prices & excise tax. Mr capitalist
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:53am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Bernard Hickie…just remembered.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:18am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I can understand why you would forget him, among other ‘economic’ mouth-pieces . . . . .
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:50am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        He tried to forget but the name is embedded – like a song in your head that just stays
        
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        September 26, 2018 6:21pm
  - DigNap15
    
    It is starting to effect the prices of some things.
    I bought a monitor stand last year for $70 now its $90 for the same thing.
    Retailers tend to keep prices the same regardless of the NZ dollar going up and down.
    But if it stays down, they will have to raise their prices.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:38am
  - KevOB
    
    There may be external driving factors but the COL fronted as being able to manage. They have to take the responsibility.
    
    This is just preliminary. The COL will wish they had never got the job. Meanwhile bread & circuses in NY.
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:17am
artemisia

TradeMe September rental market insights report saying rental vacancy listings down 3% year on year. Based on 11,000 average new listings a month.

3% might not sound like much, but do the maths over a year. General opinion in the industry is to expect more of the same.

And for those who think it is a zero sum game if rentals are bought by owner occupiers – who is going to buy all the new apartments and other new builds if investors don’t? Already being reported that some Auckland suburbs are currently oversupplied with new builds, specifically Albany Heights and Pinehill.
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September 26, 2018 8:26am
- BlueGriffon
  
  And Flat Bush with 624 houses, Hobsonville has 241 listings and Pukekohe 429. Albeit not all will be new but most are.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:39am
  - artemisia
    
    No worries eh? Lots of first home buyers ready and waiting clutching deposit and with bank pre approval.
    
    Though maybe they are waiting for a cheap KiwiBuild place. Not that they are subsidised of course, haha, but a lot cheaper because there is less red tape. How does that work? And why can’t all developers get less red tape?
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:40am
    - sooty
      
      Anyone with the reddies would not be wanting to wait for kiwibiuld. Who in their right mind would want to have them nearby!
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:12am
- Jules99
  
  Huge residential development planned south of Auckland too.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:58am
Kiwi_in_Paris

Bill Cosby goes down for 3-10, though he is appealing (well, he used to be. Remember that little dance he used to do?)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/bill-cosby-sentence-sexual-assault-judge
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September 26, 2018 8:27am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Good show. I have no sympathy for him.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:28am
  - Longknives
    
    A lot of fist pumping and pouting for the cameras by his alleged (and soon to be extremely wealthy) ‘Victims’.
    And now the Left-Wing Media-Who have hated Cosby for years for ‘telling it like it is’ on issues of Race and Crime- finally have their scalp.
    Cosby is clearly no Angel but something bugs me about all this…
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:38am
Tauhei Notts

Okay, this is lengthy but let me vent my spleen.
I have become rather perturbed by the recent 125 years celebration of women’s suffrage and the deification of Kate Sheppard. She appears on the $10 note and, if you believed newspapers that feature intellectual giants like Lizzy Marvelly or Deborah Hill-Cone, she was a colossus of her time.
So I checked up a few books, NZ history being a hobby of mine. State Experiments in Australia & NZ by W. Pember Reeves; New Zealand by W.P. Morrell (1935), a reader in history at the University of London; NZ Promoters & British Investors 1860-1895 by H.J. Hanham; Sir Robert Stout and the Labour Question 1870-1893
by D.A. Hamer of New College, Oxford; The Fall of Reeves 1893-1896 by R.T. Shannon of the University of East Anglia; The Influence of Political Theories in the Liberal Period 1890-1912 by B.D. Graham; The Ideal Society and its Enemies 1850-1900 by Miles Fairburn; Nearly Out of Heart & Hope 1878-1923 by Miles Fairburn.
None of them mention Kate Sheppard in any way whatsoever.
Indeed, her death on 13th July 1934 did not rate any mention in the N.Z. Herald at the time of her death or in the following 14 years. Her death notice records her name at the time of death as being Katherine Wilson Lovell-Smith.
I believe that the elevation of Kate Sheppard to sainthood is a figment of the imagination of history revisionists. Okay, she damned near got prohibition into our country, but a deity; no, never.
And don’t get me started on the revisionists of Maori history.
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September 26, 2018 8:29am
- Paulus
  
  Why not as we were the third (or fourth) country in the world to give women the vote.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:41am
- holysheet
  
  You do sound like an “crusty old white man”.
  When will you learn, that history is changeable as the weather nowadays. If snowflakes don’t like someone or something, then quicker than a lie from Cindy, it’s changed.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:46am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I recall an American and a Soviet citizen talking about history.
    The American: “In the USA, we know the past, but not the future.
    The Soviet: “In USSR, we know the future, but not the past.”
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:05am
    - MCos
      
      I wonder if the Soviet bloke knew that the USSR didn’t have a future.
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:20am
- burt
  
  http://www.celticnz.co.nz/embargo_saga.html
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    burt, what makes you believe in this kind of weird conspiracy stuff?
    
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    September 26, 2018 4:20pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I had a look last night at Tony Simpson’s “Shame & Disgrace” where he writes at length about the women’s suffrage movement, amongst other things about NZ history 1850-1899.
  Yeah, you’re right.
  St Kate Sheppard does not rate a mention.
  
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  September 27, 2018 9:58am
secondcumming

A bloke at the gun club was saying he can tighten nuts and bolts just by sitting on them.

I told him he was torqueing out his arse.
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September 26, 2018 8:30am
Odakyu-sen

There’s talk of reducing the road speed limit in central Auckland (BD?) to 30 km/h. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12131565
I don’t think I have ever driven much faster than 30 km/h on Queen Street (due to the congestion). Many times, when in the second lane, I know that 50 km/h is way too fast (should a pedestrian suddenly walk out from between the line of traffic stationary in the other lane.
The point is that as a driver, I know when to drive way slower than 50 km/h, because I can tell that with restricted visibility, it would be foolish to go that fast for the conditions.
The driver should be able to decide for themselves what is a safe speed, and should bear the consequences of their actions.
I fear that this well-meaning “safety” policy will result in speed cameras being placed at the bottom of hills in the CBD when there are no pedestrians and wide, clear views, and used to ping motorists.

The authorities should agree that if there is no statistically significant improvement in public safety following the introduction of the 30 km/h limits, then they should be repealed.

It may be that the accident rate even increases because drivers are over-focused on watching their speedometers instead of the road. (In a modern quiet car, how can you accurately tell if you are doing 26 km/h or 36 km/h? Does the noise and sense of speed change so much?)
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September 26, 2018 8:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  When living in London (many moons ago)
  Was listening to a woman on the radio.
  Complaining about the M25 (ring road around London) specifically the changeable speed limit signs.
  “How do the expect me to go 80Km/hr in this fog, I can hardly see the bonnet?”
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:47am
  - MCos
    
    The other day we were driving between Lyttleton & Governors Bay. We saw a 100 sign. It was more of a challenge than a speed limit. I doubt if we exceeded 70.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:19am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Borrow Louis Hamilton’s car.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:38am
      - Longknives
        
        I don’t think he needs it anymore!
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Keppel_Hamilton
        
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        September 26, 2018 9:40am
      - sooty
        
        Another reason to spend my money at Westfield Botany and drive on thru after filling up down country.
        
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        September 26, 2018 10:07am
  - Komata
    
    RW
    
    And then, of course, there were the annual fog-caused pile-ups (and inevitably, fires) on the M1.
    
    Curiously, they don’t seem to be happening now; perhaps the fog has been banned…
    
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    September 26, 2018 12:28pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I drove up Queen Street last night after a meeting.
  getting to 30kph was a challenge.
  
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  September 26, 2018 2:13pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Trendsetter joggers go faster
    
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    September 26, 2018 6:28pm
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I believe that Simon Bridges and the National Party leadership ( including Judith Collins ) as progressive and forward thinking people must be utterly aghast at the consistently poor quality of posts on KB by the rabid alt right. A motley, shabby, whingeing and whimpering lot who bare no resemblance to responsible and mainstream consensus centre-right thinking.

Also a world away from what the ordinary members of public thinking and who at times must make poor DPF cringe and recoil in embarrassment.

Yet I guess that is the price one has to take for a genuine commitment to the principles of free speech. Alas not shared by a great many of them.
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September 26, 2018 8:39am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Self deprivation and loathing is never helpful stephie…didn’t your shrink tell you that.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:43am
- holysheet
  
  Stooopidboy got an internet advert asking if he wanted to improve his sex life.
  He answered all the questions and waited for the advice.
  It was a short answer.
  Change hands.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:47am
  - Biscuit
    
    holysheet, that reminds me of a joke I heard many moons ago:
    
    Teacher: What excuse do you have for not turning in your homework THIS time, Johnny?
    Johnny: Sexual exhaustion, sir.
    Teacher: Change hands once in a while, Johnny…
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:12am
- ross411
  
  ?? ??
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:49am
- Swifty
  
  I believe that Jacinda Ardern and the Labour Party leadership ( including Grant Robertson ) as progressive and forward thinking people must be utterly aghast at the consistently poor quality of posts on KB by the Stiffyboys. A motley, shabby, whingeing and whimpering lot who bare no resemblance to responsible and mainstream consensus lefty thinking.
  
  Also a world away from what the ordinary members of public thinking and who at times must make poor DPF cringe and recoil in embarrassment.
  
  Yet I guess that is the price one has to take for a genuine commitment to the principles of free speech. Alas not shared by a great many of the left.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:54am
  - VicParking
    
    What more can you expect if you repeatedly bang your head on the ground five times a day
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:48am
- Philview
  
  Are you clickbait rather than real? I read many positive comments on here about Jacinda “the person” but we know her Government’s policies are going to be a disaster for this country.
  When we have a mainstream media that gushes over her every word, coupled with the same media attacking John Key for 9 years and so has led to a spiteful political atmosphere.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:54am
  - holysheet
    
    You left out the baaayyybe. The bayyybeee will save us all.
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:59am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Did I miss the star in the east and three wise men?
      
      You know, the last time there was a baby of some significance, born to humble working class parents, in poverddy, did not even have a car to sleep in . . .
      
      Well known story, looses little in the translation over two millennia, oral history is reliable and credible right?
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:03am
      - RalphT
        
        Sorry PG, that only holds true if there is a virgin involved.
        
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        September 26, 2018 10:20am
      - softail 1450
        
        P G. “did i miss the star and the three wise men”?
        No a confused three pies Woods ate them.
        
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        September 26, 2018 2:57pm
    - VicParking
      
      The name Neve is a girl’s name of Irish, Latin origin meaning “snow”. Born of father “Flake”. The girl has no chance
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:52am
      - lifesgood
        
        And the correct spelling is Niamh, but when you can’t speak properly how can you spell properly.
        
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        September 26, 2018 1:03pm
- secondcumming
  
  When life gives you lemons stephieboy……be glad it wasn’t herpes.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:57am
- waikatogirl
  
  Did you lie awake last night plotting this, your latest lame stinging barb at KB? ?
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:59am
  - Swifty
    
    He thinks he’s being clever.
    
    I however will go as far as to say he is obsessed with Kiwiblog and those who post here. We have clearly gotten under his skin.
    
    I think he should take a break. He needs to get out more.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:04am
    - holysheet
      
      Get out more, Stooopidboy?
      Nah you will be inciting more perving down at St Lukes by saying that. It’s best for the young girls out there, that Stoooopidboy stay home and do what he does best, all by himself.
      
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      September 26, 2018 12:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    waikatogirl, nope! Besides its stating the rather obvious
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:05am
    - waikatogirl
      
      What is obvious to you is ridiculous to everyone else.
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:08am
      - stephieboy
        
        33 down tickers who outside their bubble chamber on KB have no relevance at all!
        
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        September 26, 2018 10:23am
- pentwig
  
  who did you copy that from stupidboy?
  it certainly isn’t your own work!!
  
  snigger snigger
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:09am
- burt
  
  Yet I guess that is the price one has to take for a genuine commitment to the principles of free speech.
  
  Have you married a 9 year old yet so you can conform to Mohammed’s perfect behaviour ?
  
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  September 26, 2018 11:43am
  - softail 1450
    
    Burt, I wasn’t aware goats were that long lived.
    
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    September 26, 2018 3:00pm
RW Capitalist

Our tv news is saying “she had a big meeting with Trump.
She appeared on CNN and this is great for NZ
First, he politely shook her hand, talked about babies, and she proceeded to talk about NZ appalling child abuse?
She went to CNN ,talked about babies, herself and about NZ appalling child abuse?
How did she promote NZ?
She barely mentioned us, except in the most negative context.
Of course….she promoted HERSELF, her goal all along.
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September 26, 2018 8:41am
- stephieboy
  
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  “she had a big meeting with Trump.”
  
  Where exactly?
  
  I often do you shaft or deprecate yourself?
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:09am
  - Swifty
    
    WTF?
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      “How often do you shaft or deprecate yourself?”
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:17am
      - secondcumming
        
        How often to you shaft or defecate your self, stephieboy?
        
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        September 26, 2018 9:31am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I was wondering that myself “where exactly”
    But the news pumped it up.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      Did they just?
      
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      September 26, 2018 9:16am
  - igm
    
    Gaot Shagger: You display the usual filth and degradation of a socialist POS. Why don’t you fuck off to the Standard . . . those gutless wimps are your forte’!
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:29am
    - VicParking
      
      But Stephie 1,2,3 and 4 are paid to troll here
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:55am
  - Komata
    
    SB
    
    I dinna ken wa’ y’re seein. Would y’ min’ repeatin’ it, in English.
    
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    September 26, 2018 12:34pm
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, a big meeting for Jacinda, Trump would have been thinking “what the fuck are the cleaners doing here at this time of day”
    
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    September 26, 2018 3:03pm
- Philview
  
  Per the Otago Daily Times editorial this morning.
  
  “Jacinda Ardern is doing New Zealand proud on the international stage this week.
  She is a natural orator, a hard worker, a kind, clever and effective politician, and a glittering ambassador for much of what New Zealanders pride themselves on. She extols empathy, equality and change for the better.
  
  She has become a popular champion for liberal politics across the Western world by proving that in a modern, progressive, educated and tolerant society, voters are quite content to see their prime minister give birth while in office.
  
  There is clearly a great deal of hope in the crowds watching Ms Ardern as she graces the international stage; hope that her concurrent rise to prime minister and as new mum proves the messages she speaks and the examples she sets are achievable and worth believing in.”
  
  I must be missing something!!
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:17am
  - Jack5
    
    What a grovel by the ODT.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:28am
  - dave_c_
    
    Yes – You forgot to highlight the ‘deliberate lies’, or at best the ‘misleading language’.
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:40am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Wow, that even beats the sycophantic little piece Muttonbird wrote on here about a week ago.
    The toadies are really reaching for the stars lately.
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:16am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I missed the bit where we had a choice!!!
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:44am
  - lifesgood
    
    That is straight out repulsive and a total fabrication. Is the editor looking for a job ala Handley? Same sort of grovelling going on.
    
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    September 26, 2018 1:06pm
  - softail 1450
    
    philview, no fucker knew she was in foal when they voted for winston and the greens….
    
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    September 26, 2018 3:07pm
- Harkman
  
  Yes I’m not watching 7 Sharp again, I’d been fair to Wells but last night he ran decoys for her. She went on the Today show and rambled on about herself and Wells claimed when she mentioned her own welfare policies that was promotion for NZ. Bullshit.
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:21am
DigNap15

I think today is Business Lack of Confidence Survey day!
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September 26, 2018 8:45am
kowtow

If you’re going to be the poster boy for diversidy you bedder be squeaky clean.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6203761/Sikh-Coldstream-soldier-facing-boot-testing-positive-cocaine.html
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September 26, 2018 8:47am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow, I wonder if you could do a search to see how many palefaces in the UK armed services have done the same?
  
  Fat chance!
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:12am
- kowtow
  
  Equal opportunity “diversity” news.
  
  ‘A disgraced female Royal Navy captain, removed from her ship amid claims of a sexual relationship with a male officer, has been granted early retirement and a pay-off estimated to be worth tens of thousands of pounds.’
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2863252/First-female-commander-Navy-warship-quits-service-removed-post-alleged-affair-junior-officer.html
  
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  September 26, 2018 11:28am
DigNap15

And todays Maori vocab word not in my dictionaries is
Efficient
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September 26, 2018 8:48am
- dave_c_
  
  Ah ! – That explains everything. ‘The efficient use of the right language when lying through ones teeth’
  Seems it’s caught on very well here in NZ
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:01am
- burt
  
  I also can’t find Employed or self responsibility.
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:03am
- Longknives
  
  Efficient won the 2007 Melbourne Cup with the greatest ‘last to first’ performance since the mighty Kiwi!
  I had backed him months earlier….got him at about 24-1.
  Also nailed half the Trifecta!
  
  *Is there a Maori word for ‘Trifecta’?
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:45am
  - sooty
    
    Yep! It’s TOW!
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:01am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Their 3rd claim ? ? ?
      
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      September 26, 2018 10:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives, floating in your Flemington fantasy world?
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:26am
    - Longknives
      
      “Longknives, floating in your Flemington fantasy world?”
      
      Yeah- Because I’m totally going to make up a story about winning a few dollars on a horse race that happened ten years ago!
      You are one strange little man Stephieboy…
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:03am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I think it is tierce.
    
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    September 26, 2018 6:04pm
- VicParking
  
  He pai
  Or
  he iti noa te hapa
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:58am
holysheet

When I finally retire from working, I am thinking of joining the local branch of Grey Power. It would be interesting to go along and stir the shit about their constant support for the drunken dwarf.

It could be the shortest membership in their history.
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September 26, 2018 8:54am
- burt
  
  You’ll be able to go to meeting after meeting saying the sane thing and it will be a fresh surprise to them every single time.
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:04am
  - VicParking
    
    You can go to the same meeting and ask the same question three times and get three different answers
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:00am
- stephieboy
  
  holyturd , the mad and unstable are disqualified from joining so that counts you out!
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Just mention the name of Allah and all is forgiven
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:01am
  - Komata
    
    SB
    
    You’re giving more away than you realise old chap; don’t make it worse for yourself…
    
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    September 26, 2018 12:38pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Grey Power here is a branch of the Labour Party.
  True story.
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:31am
  - lifesgood
    
    I know someone who is “big” in Grey Power…she’s a total nut case.
    
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    September 26, 2018 1:08pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

A girl goes to the bakery with her father, and then they go to the local barber, so the father can get a haircut.

As her father is getting his hair cut the girl stands close to him and watches.

“Careful love,” says the barber, “You’ll get hair on your muffin.”

“I know,” she replies. “And I’ll get a great pair of tits too!”
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- stephieboy
  
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  Kiwi in Paris, learn your smutty jokes behind the school bike sheds?
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:19am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t tell Stephie X, Kiwi-in-Paris.
    
    He’s been warned off the mall, and we don’t want him hanging around the schools. ?
    
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    September 26, 2018 9:30am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy,he can’t have ,he didn’t see you out there giving out free BJ’s septicboy.
    
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    September 26, 2018 3:57pm
- kowtow
  
  Then she went to the doctor for a check up , he said “Big breaths” , and she replied ” Yeth, they are”
  
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  September 26, 2018 11:30am
artemisia

Wellington bus fiasco. Auditor General not doing anything right now but keeping a close eye …

http://www.oag.govt.nz/media/2018/wellington-buses
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September 26, 2018 9:08am
Happychappy

Isn’t funny how evidence concerning Emails has a different meaning when your in opposition to when you are the Government and it really shows what a bigot Winston Peters is. Can you remember his blatant lies about the Emails he tried to hang over Bill English concerning the Todd Barclay affair and their was supposed to be many, that in the end he never had well they were fake but the ones that have surfaced in the Handley affair show that it is a fact that the PM and Mr Handley exchanged conversations about the role of the job for the CTO. So Mr Peters yelling abuse and saying that the Prime Minster is correct in her answers is a fallacy when the Email have been released to prove the fact and shows that he uses Emails true or false to suit his agenda to go with the lies of the past.
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September 26, 2018 9:11am
secondcumming

A mate of mine in the UK retweets……and I found this revelation quite shocking!

https://twitter.com/GerryGreek/status/1044660465790529536
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September 26, 2018 9:25am
- Biscuit
  
  secondcumming, if you are ‘of an age’ you might remember another Man Yoo alumni, Bobby Charlton.
  
  A far better footballer than Becks ever was, by the way!
  
  Bobby ‘stopped troubling a barber’ at quite a young age, ha, and to prevent crowds being inflicted with Floodlight Glare from his balding pate he took to adopting one of the most horrendous comb-over jobs you ever saw, heh heh:
  https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Izn9l7fp0Bc/hqdefault.jpg
  
  I was at Anfield, on The Kop, for a Pool-United game one windy day.
  Wags were begging Bobby to stay up near halfway lest the front 20 rows behind our goal cop serious windlash during any of the (blessedly-few) attacks the Mancs launched at us!
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:41am
  - Longknives
    
    Was that the ‘Busby Babes’ era Biscuit?
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:25am
    - Biscuit
      
      Oi, Longknives, I ain’t THAT old!
      
      :: Deletes Longknives’ name from his 2018 Christmas Card list ::
      
      That would have been in 1968 (well, the start of 1968/69) because I remember United were the freshly-crowned European Champions.
      
      Pool won 2-0, Ian St John got one goal and a bright new boy, Alun Evans, got the other.
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:58am
      - kiwitoffee
        
        Alun Evans was, I think, the first UK pounds 100,000 signing. And as he was a Welshman, he was not only expensive but exotic too.
        In passing (pardon the pun), I see recent Man Utd signing, the Chilean ‘star’ Sanchez, earns around 400,000 a week, according to the BBC.
        Yes, a week.
        
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        September 26, 2018 10:36pm
Hugh Pavletich

Kiwis get whacked with more fuel tax … (plus the oil and gas exploration ban circus … note link at bottom) … from Interest Co NZ 90@9 this morning …(A One Term Government ?) …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-26-september-2018/#comment-3191958

Fed hike awaited; US confidence, house prices up; Argentine central bank boss quits, Philippines ready to raise rates; NZ braces for new tax; UST 10yr at 3.10%; oil holds, gold up; NZ$1 = 66.5 USc; TWI-5 = 70.1 | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/96019/fed-hike-awaited-us-confidence-house-prices-argentine-central-bank-boss-quits-philippines

… extract …

… Locally, we are about to be hit with a new +3c/L national fuel tax, right at the time international crude oil prices are rising and driving pump prices higher. We currently pay more than 40% of the discounted pump price as tax and the new levies will push that up to over 42% nationally, over 45% in Auckland. The Government wins with its GST collections when the crude oil price pushed pump costs up. All this movement puts upward pressure in inflation. Petrol prices are now at record highs. And that will be restraining discretionary spending. …

Just look at this horror graph ! …

https://www.interest.co.nz/charts/commodities/oil-and-petrol

… and this nonsense …

Energy & Resources Minister disregards MBIE advice putting cost of oil & gas exploration ban at between $1.2 bln & $23.5 bln; Pledges to give existing permit holders breathing space | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/96011/energy-and-resources-minister-disregards-mbie-advice-puts-cost-oil-and-gas-exploration
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September 26, 2018 9:29am
- Harkman
  
  Within two years the country will collapse. There will be a pile of empty houses nobody wants.
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:37am
  - VicParking
    
    Half built houses
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:05am
Poppa

If anyone has time on their hands would they mind going to New York & bringing the poor excuse for our PM, and her live in, home

I have run out of buckets and fear for my health if this goes on any longer

Best not forget the nanny either, whoever that faceless person may be, Mum perhaps?
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September 26, 2018 9:31am
- Fletch
  
  Do we really want her back though?
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:51am
DigNap15

I am embarrassed to be a kiwi because of her.
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September 26, 2018 9:33am
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15 , who outside in the real world actually cares!
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:29am
  - softail 1450
    
    goatboy,perhaps you could inform us what someone not living in the real world thinks.
    
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    September 26, 2018 4:02pm
Keeping Stock

Why is the Labour Party using extended sittings of the House to ram through the insidious Waka-jumping Bill, whilst the Prime Minister is out of the country.

So much for being the most open and transparent government in New Zealand’s history…
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September 26, 2018 9:38am
- Paulus
  
  So Winston can get the MMP 5% reduced to 3% as per the secret agreement and no Labour led coalition member can object as they will be dumped.
  Get it through on pre Christmas legislation wrap up.
  
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  September 26, 2018 1:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chinese language week:

Today’s proverb..
树倒猢狲散, 猴子散开

http://chineseaesop.blogspot.com/2012/03/when-tree-falls-monkeys-scatter.html

https://susanday.net/once-the-tree-falls-the-monkeys-will-scatter/
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September 26, 2018 9:43am
- Jack5
  
  Logger, he say, before axeing tree: “Let the chimps fall where they may.” ?
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:33am
Fletch

Trump’s America doing well. Consumer confidence at an 18 year high. The Dow also setting a 100th record close since Trump was elected.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average hit an all-time high Thursday, the 100th such time since Trump was elected in November 2016.

The Dow closed at 26,656.98 after jumping 251.22 points, a .95 percent increase, before closing. The S&P 500 also hit a record-breaking mark, gaining 22.8 points throughout the day to close at 2,930.75, Fox Business reports.

The Dow’s Thursday record is the first all-time high the stock index hit since January.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/20/dow-jones-record-donald-trump/

Of course as reported before, unemployment numbers are at their lowest since 1969 and Trump’s foreign policy is showing fruit re: the relationship with North Korea.

That didn’t stop the UN members from laughing at him though when he said he’d done more in his first two years than any other president. Maybe it’s not a good idea to boast, but he is correct.
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September 26, 2018 9:46am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, total distortion of the facts! The President is not a magic fairy godmother that your fantasies are telling you,
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:33am
  - Harkman
    
    Admit it Ralph Obama was a colossal failure.
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:39am
  - burt
    
    stephieboy, total distortion of the facts! The Show Prime Minister is not a magic fairy godmother that your fantasies are telling you.
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:47am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy,I’m not sure how you’ve done it septicboy ,but perhaps you can let us in on the secret,
    which one of your livestock have you trained to uptick your posts, L O L.
    
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    September 26, 2018 4:09pm
MCos

Yesterday I noticed the petrol station around the corner from me in Mangere was selling 91 at $2.299. I read in the news that down south it’s now over $2.40.
Considering we pay a not inconsiderable surcharge in Auckland that is difficult to understand.
Trump has been grizzling about the oil producing countries jacking up their prices. I thought the US produced most of their own oil.
Is he just playing the victim again?
(Back in the good old days the NZ government set a standard price price for the entire country.)
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September 26, 2018 9:48am
- igm
  
  Labout stopped regulating petrol because they reckoned it should be competitive and the prices would plummet.
  At the same time that allowed petrol companies to remove our CNG which was quite Ok, so long as it was used in something with a reasonably large and powerful motor . . . I had it in Falcon utes and it was bloody cheap to run.
  CNG compromised their petrol monopoly and we are now paying the price (literally).
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:00am
  - MCos
    
    As I recall that involved having a tank take up a lot of the boot space.
    The Bangkok taxis all run on LPG (I think) which means if you’re taking a lot of luggage to the airport the overflow goes inside the car because there ain’t much room in the boot.
    The long haul trucks use gas. You see them crawl up hills at about 20kph. Great fun to get stuck behind. The have to keep their brakes on to stop from going backwards!
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:11am
  - Ed Snack
    
    CNG did have serious drawbacks. As MCos points out, you had to put a large tank in the boot space, and the power output from the engine was seriously reduced. Plus a tank didn’t last that long, it had to store compressed gas as Methane can’t be liquified easily by pressure alone so that limited the actual amount able to be stored.
    
    It was cheap at least in part because it wasn’t taxed to anything like the same degree.
    
    Had a mate who had an old Holden Premier V8 – the 253 small V8 and he fitted CNG but kept the petrol tank. On CNG he couldn’t beat my old Escort 1600 but on petrol could easily get past. So even with a reasonably large engine the output on CNG was barely adequate.
    
    LPG is different, stored as a liquid so you can cram a lot more into a reasonably sized tank, and burns more less like petrol so insignificant power losses – and it burns a bit cleaner too. So with LPG as long as you live where there’s a reasonable network of filling stations, you can get rid of the petrol tank and just use LPG.
    
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    September 26, 2018 12:59pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The Auckland fuel tax is a joke. As I predicted before it took effect, it’s being used by the fuel companies as a slush fund to prop up prices all over the country wherever they can get away with it.
  Where are you Megan three-pies? You were going to sort out this rort. Go visit a few gas stations (some of them have great pies so there’s an incentive).
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:04am
  - MCos
    
    I thought people like you would be against the dead hand of big government interfering with the people who best how to run their business.
    
    Not only that, but sneering at people’s physical appearance. Do you think the government should bring in rationing?
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:35am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Do you think the government should bring in rationing?’
      
      Definitely. Some fuckers are eating more pies than the health system can cope with.
      
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      September 26, 2018 11:34am
      - MCos
        
        Whoa ho
        
        A communist in our midst
        
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        September 26, 2018 12:05pm
      - Garbageman
        
        She is a deceitful chunky monkey that for sure at least she isn’t minister of health like this shining example
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_De_Block
        
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        September 26, 2018 3:00pm
      - kowtow
        
        Communist ?
        
        Soviet era joke .
        
        ‘This is Armenian Radio; our listeners asked us: “What is communism?”
        
        We’re answering: “It’s when everything will be available in stores. In other words, like it was under the Tsar Nicholas the Second.”
        
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        September 26, 2018 4:16pm
    - softail 1450
      
      I sense that because of MCos being sensitive about mentioning people’s physical appearance he is in fact a “Billy Bunter” himself,FFS its just a few words on a blog MCos ,get over yourself.
      
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      September 26, 2018 4:20pm
      - MCos
        
        No I’m not, as it happens, softail.
        I don’t like to read these continual nasty comments about people’s physical characteristics whoever they are.
        
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        September 26, 2018 5:33pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes Auckland now has a fuel tax, yet its petrol is cheaper!
  Annother f..p by the COL
  You cannot beat the seven sisters!
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:31am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Maybe they could use GST as it was intended.
  Retail price plus GST.
  ie
  Cost plus profit = ex GST price
  then add 15%
  As happens with ALL other products for sale
  Petrol would be around $1:40 per litre inc GST
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Still 2.34 in Mt Eden!
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:35am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, Mt Eden prison ,did they finally nab you at the mall?
    
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    September 26, 2018 4:24pm
- Harkman
  
  Yes America produces it’s own oil hence the West Texas Intermediate price is about $10 cheaper then Brent.
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:41am
- Rachael Membery
  
  $210.9 in Otorohanga with 10 c off with AA today.
  
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  September 26, 2018 11:55am
Sofia

Did a conveyor belt cause the deadly Pike River blast?
At issue is whether the mine’s conveyor belt was turned on during the police-led rescue operation, and whether it could have triggered the second blast.

Dean Dunbar’s son Joseph was one of the 29 men killed, and he’s spent the last two years investigating the conveyor belt.

He was leaked a risk assessment which showed police and Pike River management were discussing it as an option, deeming it a “moderate risk” [authorities considered turning it on to check if the mine was obstructed – or to give survivors a chance to ride it out]

So Dean Dunbar has quietly investigated this idea for two years. Presumably after he was leaked the information mentioned.

A video accompanies the online newshub article https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/09/exclusive-did-a-conveyor-belt-cause-the-deadly-pike-river-blast.html

In the clip that shows the drift entrance, and a red pointer identifies the conveyor belt at the top of the screen.
Halfway down the right side of the frame is a square box with a cable extending up the wall it is attached to. Below the box and and slightly towards the entry is a what appears to be a rag or some fabric marker, hanging vertically, also attached at its top end to that wall.

When the action occurs there is a flick in the brightness / contrast of the green foliage in the bush beyond the entrance, and a lesser exposure shift in the drift floor, bottom right of the frame.

Then the hanging rag or fabric marker moves one or two steps (frames?), swinging toward the entry, BEFORE the conveyor belt moves.

The belt can be seen starting to move before the mine explodes – says the article.

But the piece of rag or whatever it is on the wall, right of frame just below the power box, is moved by the blast before the conveyor belt sags, one or two images (frames or whatever stepping the video was recorded at) after the rag moves.

Can anyone knowledgable in physics explain why the rag, obviously moved by the explosion blast, would do so before movement of the conveyor belt, if starting the belt caused the explosion?
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September 26, 2018 9:52am
- cmm
  
  There will be a delay between when the conveyor is actually started and when the belt actually starts to move. These are long belts and it takes some time for the tension, which turns the rollers to transfer through the belt.
  
  Remember, what you’re seeing in the video is the return part of the belt (the underside) going back into the mine. This is the last part of the belt to be tensioned. It will only start moving once the whole belt has tensioned.
  
  Belts can be buggers in that they can act as van der Graaf generators and make static electricity, but most belts in explosive environments like mines, flour mills, etc are properly earthed to prevent that. It also takes some time for the static to build up in a wet environment like a mine so I would very much doubt that triggered the explosion.
  
  More likely than static, IMHO, is that there was some debris (metal etc) on the belt or caught up in the belt that was moved and caused sparks when the belt moved it.
  
  Was it the right decision to turn it on? Well it’s one of those damned if you do/damned if you don’t decisions. Sometimes you have to determine the risk vs rewards and sometimes that does not pay off. It might have been 99% the right decision to make, but sometimes that 1% shows up instead.
  
  I did not see the rag or whatever. That could be moved by, say, the starting of a cooling fan for the conveyor motor. I would not start some conspiracy theory on that without a full inspection of the layout of the machinery and understanding how it all works.
  
  Disclaimer: In no way is this a professional opinion. One would be stupid to give that on such limited info.
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:19am
  - sooty
    
    Why would you start the conveyor anyway?
    What’s it going to be used for?
    Did they think the miners are going to hop on it?
    
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    September 26, 2018 12:20pm
    - ross411
      
      Debris
      
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      September 26, 2018 1:25pm
    - Sofia
      
      Sooty –
      Official documents show authorities considered turning it on to check if the mine was obstructed – or to give survivors a chance to ride it out.
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/09/exclusive-did-a-conveyor-belt-cause-the-deadly-pike-river-blast.html
      
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      September 26, 2018 2:18pm
plc

But …….Baby Neve!!!!!!
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September 26, 2018 9:53am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Will go through life being called Never.
  
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  September 26, 2018 11:58am
  - Paulus
    
    No surely Naieve !
    
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    September 26, 2018 1:49pm
Fletch

I’m sick of all the bloody Jacinda coverage the media is giving us, blow-by-blow. I don’t care what she does there really, or who her baby is meeting. Just summarize it all for us when she gets back.
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September 26, 2018 9:56am
- igm
  
  They are trying to cover up all the upheavals with this distraction . . . it stinks.
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, it stinks.
    
    But a cover-up of a Labour Minister or a Labour MP striking a worker will never be successfully covered up.
    
    Some-one in the Labour Party hierarchy needs to go back and look at the origins of their party and figure out who and what their party represents.
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:33am
    - sooty
      
      The sex camp pervert must be hidding overseas! Wooden we like to know who?
      
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      September 26, 2018 12:16pm
- cmm
  
  I can summarize it for you:
  * This trip is for Jacinda’s job interview.
  * It is to win hearts and minds for Jacinda – nothing to do with NZ.
  * The new fashion accessory is working great. It gives people something to talk about that doesn’t involve all that boring policy stuff.
  * Thanx plebs for paying all the travel costs.
  
  Maybe Cindy will lose her passport and not come home. Looks like a perfect shitstorm to fly home to. Might need to extends the trip a bit and go visit BFF Justin.
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:25am
  - Longknives
    
    “Maybe Cindy will lose her passport and not come home”
    
    God please let it happen!
    I detest Ardern.
    To the extent I’d take freaking Helen Clark back in a heartbeat if it meant we never had to endure Ardern’s ridiculous Jesus Christ posturing, her constant lies, or that poor kid being thrust toward the cameras by a smirking Clark Gayford ever again…
    
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    September 26, 2018 11:33am
    - lifesgood
      
      Oi, Helen Clark back is going a bit far but I get your drift.
      
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      September 26, 2018 1:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, but not similar to Donnie?
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:37am
  - Fletch
    
    Except Trump is the opposite – the media purposely report only bad stuff about him.
    
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    September 26, 2018 10:51am
- DigNap15
  
  Luckily I have been able to avoid it.
  
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  September 26, 2018 12:45pm
RF

Remember when Mallard threatened to ban anyone caught taking photographs of squirrel. This was a serious heavy handed ban that a breach would have resulted in serious consequences for the person offending.

This was put in place to give privacy for the family and allow the baby to grow up normally.

So what do we see in the world wide media… photographs of squirrel, Cindy and Jethro. There’s been no attempt to cover squirrels face.

To make matters worse Squirrel has been pimped by being taken into the UN Assembly for the photo shoot.

It’s not longer about what’s good for NZ, it’s now me me me look at me and my Bay bee.

Jeez talk about publicity whores……

At least our media are now realising that our PM and family are no better than white trailer trash.
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September 26, 2018 10:35am
- Poppa
  
  Well said RF
  
  My wife who is not political has had a guts full of all this stuff, using the baby as a prop.
  
  I think a lot of women are sick of all the “wow look at me & my baby” junk. And that is before you get to Jethro and his thirst for a camera
  
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  September 26, 2018 10:55am
  - Komata
    
    Poppa
    
    Out of interest (and as I can’t seem to find its origins), why has ‘First Boyfriend’ acquired the nickname ‘Jethro’?
    
    Thanks.
    
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    September 26, 2018 1:01pm
    - Poppa
      
      I think it came about as he was seen as a hillbilly
      
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      September 26, 2018 1:18pm
- Komata
  
  Gravel
  
  Grey Power WERE, but the gloss would seem to have worn off the gingerbread as they were effectively ‘stood up’ by the labour party with NONE of the eight ministers with whom they requested meetings giving them the time of day.
  
  GP’s reaction: ‘This is shabby treatment indeed and we would hope that this situation is rectified in the very near future’.
  
  Winston Peters did however meet us and was generous with his time on what was the first day of his time as ‘acting Prime Minister’… etc. etc.’
  
  The sycophantry is strong , and the ‘misdemeanours’ (lies) easily overlooked…
  
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  September 26, 2018 12:58pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep, RF, our media, by and large, respected the edict from on high about not photographing the first baby, respecting their family space and all that.
  They must be absolutely spewing now as baby pics are coming out thick and fast from foreign media and leaving the locals in the dust of the Gaydashian family.
  PS Jethro was the simple young man in the Beverley Hiibillies who was always trying to find a girl friend.
  
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  September 26, 2018 5:09pm
marquess

An interesting piece from Dara Ó Briain about mainstream comedy

While there’s no shortage of aspiring stand-ups, one thing which is regularly commented on in the industry is how the overwhelming majority of comedians are left-wing.

Lee Hurst and Geoff Norcott are among the few notable exceptions in a landscape where most comedians poke fun at Brexit or the Conservative government.

“It’s a weird one,” Ó Briain says. “Right-wing comedy tends not to work so well just because there’s an element of what’s punching up and what’s punching down… it’s easier to make jokes when you’re attacking something that’s in power rather than attacking down.

“Any time somebody [on the right] complains about this, the answer is, go and write some jokes. For a start, you’re the one who believes in a free market, there’s a market there, so go and write some.

“People go, ‘Oh you don’t make jokes about the Muslims,’ – go for it. Listen, no-one is stopping you from doing all the Muslim jokes you want. You just can’t order me to do the jokes on the topics you want.”
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September 26, 2018 10:50am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah , a real “left winger” he is . Lives in a big house in West London , big earner with state broadcaster and charges 50 ooo quid to give talks.
  
  Some fucken lefty.
  
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  September 26, 2018 7:28pm
brett68

If Gayford the “Nanny”?
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September 26, 2018 11:09am
- Inandout
  
  Gayford has discovered that perhaps fellatio doesn’t always create babies.
  
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  September 26, 2018 11:21am
  - Paulus
    
    He must be getting frustrated as he cannot do the clubs for now as I doubt he is getting his oats yet from the Queen.
    Being a nappy carrier must be getting to him.
    Can’t wait to get back to his normal prowl.
    
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    September 26, 2018 1:53pm
    - Inandout
      
      Mrs Palmer perhaps?
      
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      September 26, 2018 2:36pm
Rich Prick

I fear Gayford is some way from reaching peak fuckwittery.
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September 26, 2018 11:24am
kowtow

Re historically high petrol prices.

Stuff running a story thereon.

Highly rated comment to the effect that ” I voted for Labour for a change , not for high petrol prices”

Bwa fucken hah hah hah.

Suck it up you dumb c#nts.
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September 26, 2018 11:38am
- Inandout
  
  More debt collecting it seems. Jeez Labourites are dumb pricks.
  
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  September 26, 2018 12:30pm
Fletch

I have been following the Kavanaugh case in the U.S, and it is looking like creepy porn lawyer Michael Avenatti maybe got pranked by 4chan. He was claiming he has this bulletproof witness against Kavanaugh that he was shortly to reveal, and now this –

https://twitter.com/JayTrollsteinII/status/1044611670612594688/photo/1

On can only hope it is true. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. His twitter account has now gone dark – he has locked it.
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September 26, 2018 11:56am
- secondcumming
  
  I can see Michael Avenatti having his arse sued off him. He deserves to be disbarred for this sort of crap.
  
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  September 26, 2018 1:01pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  4-chan do some great work. Loved their very impressive sleuthing effort on Shia LaBeouf’s anti-Trump grandstanding (pretty funny):
  
  https://youtu.be/vw9zyxm860Q
  
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  September 26, 2018 2:11pm
Rachael Membery

Really, what is it with reporting? If it had been Key or English, the headline would have been what a klutz, guess Clarke was bedazzled by Mrs Trump.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107375673/us-president-donald-trumps-greeting-to-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern
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September 26, 2018 12:39pm
- ex-golfer
  
  What an absolute embarrassment these fools are.
  Has the unemployed gold-digger managed to find a tie? Or is it cool and hip to attend UN meetings with an open-neck shirt?
  Was the Chip-Chick wearing her slippers for the occasion?
  
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  September 26, 2018 5:41pm
  - Longknives
    
    I’m fairly sure she wore those God-Awful ‘Cankle boots’ she has been waddling around in since the Election….
    
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    September 26, 2018 6:35pm
Inandout

Oh boy, look who the Dems have to face if they get rid of Kavanaugh. And this one is a woman so is ‘untouchable’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVF_bH0YbvI
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September 26, 2018 12:41pm
DigNap15

I see our balance of payments released today on the Herald, is at a very high deficit.
Led by very high oil imports (Megan Woods take note!)
This is very bad because our invisibles are always in deficit.
So we need to export more and import less!
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September 26, 2018 12:44pm
- Inandout
  
  And Cindy is over there when she should be here sorting our problems. The tourist people are crowing that she is ‘putting NZ on the map’, yet the Greens want to stop visitors. Instead of using CNN to degrade Trump she should be getting onside with him and maybe get US trade openings. Shit socialists can be thick people.
  
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  September 26, 2018 1:19pm
- Poppa
  
  I was going to mention that too. With our dollar where it is I can see this trend continuing.
  
  Fuel cost will result in inflation as well so we are starting to see the wheels falling off Robbo’s band wagon
  
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  September 26, 2018 1:21pm
- Viking2
  
  One billion each month for the last 5 years. fuck we are going broke, but never mind Grant will borrow some more.
  
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  September 26, 2018 7:38pm
Komata

DigNap

Re: ‘So we need to export more and import less!’

Kiwi’s to Oz and refugees from any third world country perhaps?

It might help – at least Australia…
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September 26, 2018 1:04pm
lifesgood

That idiot Gayford knocked over a flag at the UN. His stupid live in lover said “He has big elbows” WTF! What was he doing there, anyway.
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September 26, 2018 1:17pm
- Longknives
  
  You think that really happened?
  Or is it another of those supposedly ‘hilarious’ Clarke and Jacinda stories that their adoring NZ media lap up and bombard us with….
  
  ‘OMG they are just sooo funny’
  
  Remember- EVERYTHING Ardern and Gayford do is a PR Stunt for her Political career.
  Sadly this even includes having a baby..
  
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  September 26, 2018 1:20pm
  - Harriet
    
    “…..Sadly this even includes having a baby..”
    
    And what Gayford didn’t realise is that she was doing it for herself – and Winston! 😎
    
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    September 26, 2018 1:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Clarkey was there to mind Neve Aroha, and change her disposable nappies.
  
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  September 26, 2018 1:21pm
  - Poppa
    
    Does the nanny exist?
    
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    September 26, 2018 1:22pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Jacinda’s mother I believe but you know the media will offer to baby sit.
      
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      September 26, 2018 1:46pm
      - igm
        
        Talk about nepotism and rorts . . . what a bloody disgrace and kick in the guts to taxpayers, of which Gnashers has a detestation of.
        
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        September 26, 2018 1:55pm
      - sooty
        
        That’s a nice little earn, for the mother!
        
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        September 26, 2018 5:01pm
gump

Does anybody want to explain this brain fart from the team running the National Party twitter account?

https://mobile.twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1044721086284259328
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September 26, 2018 1:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  The Nats are backing the wrong player here.
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1809/S00347/national-prioritise-invasive-species-above-alpine-ecosystems.htm
  
  The Nats really need a decent consistent approach to environmental matters.
  
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  September 26, 2018 2:33pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Like the Greens have?
    
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    September 26, 2018 5:48pm
  - Viking2
    
    We need the money from the tourists. 100 million a year industry.
    
    Pays your pension Maggie.
    
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    September 26, 2018 7:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The tourists aren’t keeping the Tahr numbers down…the little buggas have been outbreeding the hunters.
      
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      September 26, 2018 7:45pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Pays your pension Maggie.
      
      I think my taxes pay my pension.
      
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      September 26, 2018 7:46pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Next they’ll be anti 1080.
  
  Is Simon Bridges so stupid and weak and not in control that he let’s this cray cray theory through to the public?
  
  I note there are some RWNJ trolls on The Standard who imagine this good policy so you had better get the consensus memo out pronto.
  
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  September 26, 2018 2:41pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Sage as good as confirmed this afternoon that guns and helicopters are exactly what’s happening. Oddly though, it was Winston Peters who asked her a supplementary, but he forgot the old maxim that you don’t ask a question you already know the answer to.
  
  So what’s going to happen is that DOC rangers will go shooting this weekend (if they can buy ammunition) to cull thousands of Tahrs, and possibly nobble the species for ever.
  
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  September 26, 2018 3:11pm
  - gump
    
    They’re literally just feral goats – and they’re both invasive and destructive.
    
    What is the purpose for opposing the cull? So they can be shot by hunters instead?
    
    There’s no logic behind National opposing the cull. It’s an example of opposition for the sake of opposition.
    
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    September 26, 2018 3:32pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      I assume they oppose it so that after the country goes broke at some stage in future burdened down by the disease of dependency there is still something left too scavenge for in the resulting hunter gatherer society?
      
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      September 26, 2018 4:17pm
      - kowtow
        
        Nah , if all the goats get shot what ‘s youknowwho going to take his “sexual emergencies” out on?
        
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        September 26, 2018 4:29pm
      - sooty
        
        Blowup doll?
        
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        September 26, 2018 4:59pm
    - Viking2
      
      100 million a year in tourist dollars.
      
      August trade deficit driven to record high by rising costs of crude oil and diesel imports
      
      Posted in Business September 26, 2018 – 01:02pm, Gareth Vaughan
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      The increased cost of oil and diesel imports pushed New Zealand’s trade deficit to a record monthly high in August.
      
      Statistics NZ says the August trade deficit was $1.5 billion, equivalent to 37% of exports. The average monthly deficit in August over the last five years was $1 billion. The annual trade deficit widened to $4.8 billion in August, the highest in nine years.
      
      Imports rose $675 million, or 14%, in August versus August 2017 reaching $5.5 billion, the third-highest total on record. Exports increased $366 million to $4.1 billion.
      
      The biggest contributor to the rise in imports was petroleum and products, Statistics NZ says, which climbed $186 million, or 50%, year-on-year. This increase was led by $98 million increase in crude oil, and a $73 million rise in diesel import costs.
      
      Wonder if we need them dollars then?
      
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      September 26, 2018 7:35pm
      - gump
        
        We make $100 million a year from tourists hunting Tahr?
        
        What orifice did you pull that number from?
        
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        September 26, 2018 9:45pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Well, looks as though the ‘brain fart’ was effective. Eugenie Sage has had a major back-down…
        
        https://www.national.org.nz/minister_sage_forced_to_postpone_her_tahr_hunt
        
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        September 26, 2018 10:49pm
DigNap15

Bugger
I see Business Confidence has gone up a but in today’s survey.
I was hoping to see more neon lights and fireworks in Ardern’s office when she got back.
Businesses had the chance to send her a real message.
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September 26, 2018 2:03pm
- Muttonbird
  
  “Up a but”, Big Nappy? Your private predilections are not good reading.
  
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  September 26, 2018 2:37pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Predilections, that’s a good word for my Maori vocab course.
    I’ll try and do it tomorrow for you.
    
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    September 26, 2018 4:32pm
Muttonbird

People power. You can’t stop it, RWNJs, no matter how hard you try.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/09/us-senator-ted-cruz-and-wife-chased-out-of-restaurant-over-kavanaugh-allegations.html
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September 26, 2018 2:35pm
- Inandout
  
  Soros power more like it, pay them x amount of dollars and they will appear as protestors anywhere.
  
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  September 26, 2018 2:41pm
  - MCos
    
    The attack on Cruz was reprehensible no matter how dislikable the chap may be.
    To suggest old man Soros is behind it is ridiculous.
    If everything he is alleged to have financed was true he would have run through his vast wealth years ago.
    
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    September 26, 2018 5:55pm
    - Inandout
      
      Over time he has funded the EU to the tune of billions, he fully funds the so called Southern Poverty Group, ANTIFA and whatever else he can bribe.
      
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      September 26, 2018 6:25pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout , message boy for Ripley’s Beleive or not?
        
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        September 26, 2018 6:29pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Lefties like bullying as a form of intimidation
  Just ask Meka Whaitiris staff
  You like women being beaten up eh Meathead
  
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  September 26, 2018 3:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Bullying? You should talk. Of course, Donald Trump is such a fine role model?
    
    Aye!
    
    https://whyy.org/articles/early-evidence-of-a-trump-effect-on-bullying-in-schools/
    
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    September 26, 2018 4:28pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh look at the hypocrite mysoginist stalker
      Grilled any more women about their underwear lately Creepyboy?
      
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      September 26, 2018 5:07pm
- graham
  
  So you support the concept of presuming people to be guilty without fair trial, and of thugs harassing innocent people who are minding their own business, Muttonbird.
  
  Right-o.
  
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  September 26, 2018 3:00pm
- kowtow
  
  People power? Like the Red Guards in the so called Cultural Revolution . Judge , jury and executioners. The only thing to come from this thuggish behaviour is chaos.
  
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  September 26, 2018 3:15pm
- Rich Prick
  
  People power? Herd instinct more like.
  
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  September 26, 2018 3:19pm
rangitoto

Did Kea V2 get banned?
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September 26, 2018 3:05pm
- mandk
  
  Yes. Copped 2 months for a 6th strike (actually 15th, if you add Kea and Reality Czech).
  
  Another vile comment about Jews.
  
  What else would it be?
  
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  September 26, 2018 4:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chinese Language Week

Why it is important to 1. understand Mandarin,
or
2. Have a damn good translator available.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/107382282/how-fonterra-sold-beingmate-to-shareholders–and-got-it-wrong
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September 26, 2018 3:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Fuckity boo

Maori Language
Why it is important to have a damn good translator available:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132153
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September 26, 2018 3:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  So you can read what that big red thing with ladders on it is.
  
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  September 26, 2018 4:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    Great! We now have a pure NZ Pidgin word for mistake – a “fuckity boo-boo”.
    
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    September 26, 2018 5:08pm
- MCos
  
  Didn’t do Kevin Rudd much good!
  
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  September 26, 2018 5:57pm
dime

Sitting on my balcony watching the sun set over Waikiki.

This morning I swam with turtles, now I’m smashed. Great place.

Haven’t seen a fucking thing about chompers and her piss weak gold digger in the paper here.
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September 26, 2018 4:30pm
- Longknives
  
  Nah that can’t be right Dime!
  I heard a Bimbo on TV this morning gushing that ‘Jacinda Ardern and baby Neve have won hearts all over the World’ and ‘She has been huge news throughout the World’ etc etc
  
  Surely our Media aren’t lying to us? Surely?…
  
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  September 26, 2018 5:02pm
  - Longknives
    
    Oh and when I was there the cocktails at ‘Dukes Waikiki’ were pretty damn awesome!
    
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    September 26, 2018 5:04pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Fuck you Dime, that hurts. Aston Waikiki for me and Lucys for breakfast.
  Now let’s see you get to the top of Diamond Head Crater and take some photos. I did it last year at 65 then.
  Enjoy Oahu and Hawaii Mr dime – love the place
  
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  September 26, 2018 6:55pm
  - Longknives
    
    Jesus Steve you are just about as old as Biscuit!
    
    (See 11:58am today)
    
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    September 26, 2018 7:19pm
    - Biscuit
      
      :: Cries ::
      
      :: And confesses to being the one who (as at 8.33pm) has downticked Longknives’ comment! ::
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:33pm
ex-golfer

Today is a sad day for democracy in New Zealand as the outrageously and incorrectly named Electoral Integrity Amendment Bill proceeds through reading #2 without agreement to simple amendments put up by National that would have made it slightly more palatable.

Why bother having electorate and democratically elected representatives of voting constituents if representation can now be determined at a whim by party leaders, some of whom have no electoral representation at all.

Disgraceful that NZ Greens have supported this legislation without even bothering to take a call in the debate.
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September 26, 2018 5:00pm
Woz

Does all this slavish feting of The Baby, swinging it around at the UN, the first class flights, the nanny, the security passes, celebrating it as the “First Baby”, and all the rest of the shit the liitle squawler has been subjected to, qualify as inherited privilege? Where does this sit with Comrade Mummy?
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September 26, 2018 6:02pm
sooty

Did you see the photos of Cindy at the UN, when she saw Jethro and Squrriel were in the chamber. Talk about Mrs Ed! Was not flattering.
Whats with the dressing down, or are they slumming it on our dime?
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September 26, 2018 6:51pm
- Longknives
  
  Sadly that’s her best wardrobe..
  And on a $500k salary!
  
  The Left have no sense of style or class whatsoever.
  
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  September 26, 2018 6:57pm
  - itstricky
    
    The Left have no sense of
    
    Let us all pause at this point, and remember to take stock of the proverbs of Radvad 15:2:
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/alison_mau_on_rachel_mcgregor.html#comment-2317000
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:20pm
- Woz
  
  She is a most graceless woman. Communist finishing schools don’t have the same reputation as Swiss ones.
  
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  September 26, 2018 8:07pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW SOUTH WALES AUSTRALIA: Light rail farce to derail Berejiklian (Conservative) Government? -Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/light-rail-farce-derail-berejiklian-government/

By Leith van Onselen

Following the massive cost blow-outs and delays hitting the Eastern Suburbs Light Rail Project, as well as multiple reports of incompetence, Miranda Divine believes Light Rail will derail the Berejiklian Government’s bid for re-election. From The Daily Telegraph (Light rail will derail Premier Pollyanna):

If you’re looking for reasons the Berejiklian government is neck and neck with Labor in the polls six months out from the state election, and why Luke Foley is preferred premier, look no further than George Street.

The light rail catastrophe is emblematic of the Premier’s Pollyanna approach.

No one wanted trams back in Sydney except Gladys, then the transport minister, and Lord Mayor Clover Moore. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 26, 2018 6:51pm
DigNap15

Its not a baby, its a bastard!
Its disgraceful that NZ elected an unmarried woman to be our PM!
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September 26, 2018 6:51pm
- itstricky
  
  Its not a baby, its a bastard
  
  Apparently the media and the commies were hard on Max Key.
  
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  September 26, 2018 7:50pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Whatever the circumstances, and varying opinions, it is not the babies fault.
  
  On that rationale so are my grandchildren, and I can assure you that I would smite down anyone that made that remark about them.
  
  If Jacinda was doing a good job, I think it would be less of an issue for some people. And if it is a reason for some not to vote for her because of her marital status good.
  
  But babies are born innocent and I am annoyed that I have to feel aggrieved about a woman’s happy event, that should be empowering, because with or without a baby, that she is not up to the job.
  
  Neve is a lucky baby, no baby can ever have too much love or people to love it.
  
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  September 26, 2018 9:59pm
Viking2

That’s more like it.

https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/videos/167497867463101/
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September 26, 2018 7:22pm
rangitoto

Have Gayford and Cindy been visiting the NY subways?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12132156
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September 26, 2018 7:24pm
nasska

Anyone else sense the launch of another children’s book in the next month or two?

“Squirrel Visits the UN”.
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September 26, 2018 7:34pm
- itstricky
  
  Probably a more interesting and informative narrative than that well known tale “Max holds a plank” and its sequel “Max sings a diss song”
  
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  September 26, 2018 7:54pm
  - nasska
    
    Whatever Max’s song & plank act was like at least his father didn’t get him to do a tap dancing routine to distract the audience while he ummed, arred & lied his way through a UN self promotion gig!
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:03pm
    - itstricky
      
      his father didn’t get him to do a tap dancing routine
      
      Yes, thanks for reminding me – I forgot the third part of the trilogy -:
      
      Stephie Does Burlesque.
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:16pm
  - itstricky
    
    Boy, some people have no sense of humor, aye?
    
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    September 26, 2018 8:17pm
    - nasska
      
      Humour is subjective Itstricky but in this instance go to the top of the class! 🙂
      
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      September 26, 2018 8:23pm
      - itstricky
        
        subjective
        
        6 upticks for you; 4 downticks for me. I must have invoked The Kiwiblog Paradox.
        
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        September 26, 2018 8:57pm
rangitoto

Hitler and Lennin to contest Mayoralty of Yungar in Peru.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6201903/Hitler-running-against-Lennin-election-small-town-Peru.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
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September 26, 2018 7:54pm
starboard

Aint karma a bitch, bro

Do not pass go…go straight to hell.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/107390783/convicted-killer-released-from-prison-on-compassionate-grounds
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September 26, 2018 11:36pm
Hugh Pavletich

HOUSING BUBBLES: ARE THE AUSSIES AND KIWIS ‘DOING AN IRISH’ ? …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-27-september-2018/#comment-3192555 … and …

… Note the massive interest in the Digital Finance Analytics and Macrobusiness Australia items … accessible below …

Do the Aussies have the capacity to withstand about a $A3.5 trillion hit to its $A7 trillion bubble housing market ?

Do the Kiwis have the capacity to withstand about a $NZ600 billion hit to its $NZ1.1trillion bubble housing market ?

Will Australian property repeat the Irish crash? … Digital Finance Analytics / Macrobusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/will-australian-property-repeat-irish-crash/

… Pavletich comment on thread …
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/will-australian-property-repeat-irish-crash/#comment-3190179

… CONSIDERING THE 2007 IRISH EXPERIENCE …THE MASSIVE RISKS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH … CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND RESEARCH …

The unweighted average median multiples of its metros in 2007 was 4.7, which crashed to 2.8 in subsequent years … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro … about $NZ109 billion.

Currently the average Median Multiples for the Australian and New Zealand metros overall are about 5.9 and 5.8 respectively … refer …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm

Research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high lending multipoles was the greatest problem (more so than loan to value ratios) … and subsequently imposed a general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household income. A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times annual household income … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlinks above …
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September 27, 2018 2:24am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Foreign Real-Estate Buyers Get Told to Go Home – WSJ … behind paywall …
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-27-september-2018/#comment-3192568 … and …
  
  Foreign Real-Estate Buyers Get Told to Go Home – WSJ … behind paywall …
  
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/foreign-real-estate-buyers-get-told-to-go-home-1537972621
  
  In a bid to make homes more affordable for the locals, some countries are imposing taxes and other barriers to stifle overseas purchases …
  
  If you dream of buying a home in New Zealand, you better be a kiwi. This summer, the country introduced new rules to limit foreign ownership in hopes of making homes more affordable for the locals.
  
  Starting later this year, nonresidents (other than those from Australia and Singapore) will be restricted to buying newly built homes. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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So…Business confidence improves
From being around the ‘S’ bend, to just floating in the water.
BUT still in the toilet.
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