General Debate 24 September 2018

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RF

While some are charging off on the 26th I will remain loyal and stay with the 24th.

We all thought Squirrel was a girl… well it turns out she is a he according to Cindys adoring fans.

I guess we will have a full media week of our mother of the nation, boy friend and squirrel.

I hope Trump is girding his loins in anticipation
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September 24, 2018 8:13am
- cmm
  
  Apparently she’s spreading anti-Trump hope.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/107313802/what-lies-behind-jacinda-arderns-appeal-in-the-us-to-her-followers-its-hope
  
  Clearly a hit in her little destructive commie bubble who think business downturns are better than the economic upswing seen under Trump.
  
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  September 24, 2018 8:21am
  - Inandout
    
    Notice the Facebook sponsor?
    
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    September 24, 2018 8:49am
- flipper
  
  Arden will appear a cable shows that attract, collectively, bugger all viewers. Can you, or anyone, see her appearing with Steve Hilton or Judge Jeannine Pirro et al, on Fox ?? They dominate the airwaves. They would nail her to her poster boards. They would NOT drink the anorexic, toothy, Kool-Aid. A pity that this US city council sized country takes itself so seriously.
  
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  September 24, 2018 8:49am
  - Inandout
    
    I would like to see her dissected by Mark Levin, but I don’t think he would consider her newsworthy enough.
    
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    September 24, 2018 8:52am
    - Flash
      
      Or how about a ‘conversation’ with Jordan Peterson.
      Or Douglas Murray. Or . . . .
      
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      September 24, 2018 11:11am
  - igm
    
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    September 24, 2018 10:27am
    - igm
      
      She deserves to be dissected by someone . . . look at this bullshit:
      https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/ardern-steps-up/
      
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      September 24, 2018 10:32am
      - softail 1450
        
        igm, it’s unfair what about the other world leaders from Nauru,tonga samoa,great barrier island FFS.
        what a pathetic joke and our media hacks are complicit in the lie.
        
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        September 24, 2018 12:41pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I don’t mind us punching above our weight, but I am not impressed by the ‘celebrity’ aspect, she should be talking to heads of state not talking heads.
    
    Key managed both, and yes I am aware that our Jacinda was invited, where as poor old John Key was not such a star as she. (Sticks finger down throat).
    
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    September 24, 2018 12:06pm
  - Manolo
    
    The PM lacks the intestinal fortitude to face up to a tough interviewer. Instead, she loves the patsy questions from her coterie of NZ hacks and minions.
    
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    September 24, 2018 7:56pm
waikatogirl

National are supporting NZ First’s policy to increase the ability of police and courts to deal with shoplifters more harshly. The $billion theft from retailers needs stronger laws to clip the claws of the ‘5 finger discounters’. Simon says National believe this is a worthwhile policy to support and will do again if they deem any other policy worthwhile.
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September 24, 2018 8:19am
- cmm
  
  So actually smack them with a wet bus ticket instead of just wave it at them?
  
  Christchurch just had another petrol station robbery. This is going to continue until the proprietors are allowed to push back.
  
  It is bizarre that they are not allowed even pepper spray.
  
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  September 24, 2018 8:23am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Extreme shoplifting indeed?
    
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    September 24, 2018 8:27am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I don’t know if this is every business but staff in one of the largest retail outfits are no longer even able to follow the shoplifter once they have left the shop. The chances of getting caught in this country are ridiculously low or, as you say, if caught it’s a wet bus ticket for the thief. ?
    
    NZ First propose the thief will be charged an instant fine of one-and-a-half times the amount of the goods stolen.
    
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    September 24, 2018 8:32am
    - cmm
      
      “NZ First propose the thief will be charged an instant fine of one-and-a-half times the amount of the goods stolen.”
      
      That’s just one of the useless soundbite driven ideas that NZF are good at.
      
      They won’t have the money on them for an instant fine. They will complain about lack of process. They will most likely just get a warning because court is such a hassle. If they do go to court they will get community service which they won’t do.
      
      If anything it will increase offending. Might as well try the 5 finger discount on this $20 set of headphones because the worst that will happen is that you end up paying $30. Chances are you get away.
      
      The only way to reduce crime is to increase skin in the game.
      
      That is why 3S works. Every time they get a strike, the punishment increases – that increases the skin in the game.
      
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      September 24, 2018 8:45am
      - stuarts-burgers
        
        So after collecting a few Shop Lifting Infringement Notices and a few Car/Driving Infringement Notices it will be off to court to change the amount outstanding into a Community Service.
        Recently one young man managed to convert $9500 into 160 hours of Community Service that right at just a tad less than $60 an hour.
        My view is if you get to convert Fines/Infringement Notes to Community Service it should be at your going pay rate. On $25 an hour and $9500 due to the court, you get 380 hour of Comunity Service to pay it back. If you are unemployed then your pay rate is taken as the minimum wage. I wonder how the courts and their clients would react.
        
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        September 24, 2018 7:51pm
    - tf78
      
      Fines won’t work – sandwich boards worn outside the store saying ‘I am a thief” would be a better punishment.
      
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      September 24, 2018 9:01am
      - igm
        
        tf78: Can’t do that: “Think of the Children”!
        The pro-criminal Toxic Gnome, Gnashers, and Gutless Little Andy would be on to the UN or some other deadbeat losers if that were to instituted.
        
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        September 24, 2018 11:30am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I for one wouldn’t want a pork roast rescued from down someones pants to be returned to stock.
      
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      September 24, 2018 12:07pm
      - igm
        
        One thing for sure, if pork it wouldn’t be current goat shagger or any of his rug pilot mates.
        
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        September 24, 2018 4:51pm
- Inandout
  
  A shot dead robber would send a message.
  
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  September 24, 2018 8:54am
  - starboard
    
    It gets worse. Discounted sentences now for Murri.
    
    “The High Court has upheld a judge’s decision to discount an offender’s jail sentence by a third because of her Maori cultural background and deprivation, despite opposition from the Solicitor-General.
    
    The discount was given to Rachael Heta by Judge Soana Moala after she pleaded guilty to two charges of causing grievous bodily harm and one of common assault earlier this year.
    
    Heta had stabbed her partner four times in his chest and armpit as he lay in bed. His lung was punctured. He spent a fortnight in hospital.
    
    Hobson’s Pledge holds that a race-based anything is by definition racist. A discounted jail term based on race and deprivation combines racism with injustice.”
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107217016/court-finds-jail-term-discount-for-deprivation-mori-background-was-fair
    
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    September 24, 2018 10:41am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      So is that based on name? What about Maori who have a non Maori name, do they have to look Maori, provide Whakapapa? A note from their marae? A JP?
      
      Very subjective reasoning. Are Maori names off limits to non Maori to deed poll their names to get privileges.
      
      Yes some Maori get privileges before the outrage begins.
      
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      September 24, 2018 12:15pm
Chris R

When is a spokesperson (anyone) from National going to publicly deplore Cullen’s proposed tax on tax on tax grab? This to me is more pressing than punishing small time thieves who shoplift as opposed to big time leftie thieves like Cullen who do so in the name of “fairness!” Isn’t Cullen the ultimate amongst smug hate-ridden pricks!
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September 24, 2018 8:42am
- Piniwi
  
  But Chris R perhaps you missed the fact this is an interim report from the TWG where even Cullen is expressing doubts about the “benefits” of CGT. Nobody believes his claim about not targeted at more tax as they do not have the ability or latitude to consider any new tax being in any way neutral. More importantly National have resisted following the MO of Labour in opposition where they barked at every thing while doing nothing to prepare for the treasury benches.
  They know old Winston First is the weakest link in the chain while also being the best spoiler within the COL as he struggles to seem relevant. Most know he and perhaps more so his party who facilitated this mess which will not easily be overlooked at the polls next election. Also at present he is simply falling back on the argument that this is a coalition Government and every move requires collective sanction. Excusing all their promises and his bottom lines.
  While pausing to reflect it is important to remember that National clearly stated that no new taxes would be needed as they moved to restore some realistic levels with tax cuts to acknowledge bracket creep. Something that many gaining bigger wage settlements are also starting understand. Likewise the great Families Package is stretched out over 3 years as a sort of thank you gift until another vote is required while already being complained about by some advocacy as not being enough.
  No National are picking their targets that abound and leaving issues where old Winston First will run interference and not interrupting him making a fool of himself as a thorn in the COL’s butt.
  
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  September 24, 2018 2:29pm
- Manolo
  
  I detest him deeply!
  
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  September 24, 2018 7:57pm
krazykiwi

~~“Let’s do this!”~~

“Let’s set up a committee to talk about doing this.”
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September 24, 2018 8:47am
flipper

I would never buy a car, used or new, from Rich Prick Cullen. The smarmy bastard has zero credibility.
As for all the dreamers who believe any CGT (or whatever they want to call it) would be offset by tax reductions in other areas. Stupid!
The same applies to the pommie idiot now running Treasury. Comparing apples with apples is not in his skillset.

As for Alfie’s wife: plain bloody stupid!
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September 24, 2018 9:04am
- stephieboy
  
  flipper, but Mudoonnomics does?
  
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  September 24, 2018 9:31am
  - flipper
    
    My, my ….. stupidboy confirms, yet again, that he lives in a time warp.
    
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    September 24, 2018 9:48am
- starboard
  
  I thought we sacked the old history teacher?
  Same with H1, we gave her the arse card.
  But we know they are really pulling the strings behind the curtain because Cinders is so far out of her depth. CGT coming 2020, we must give liarbor the big fuck you at the election.
  
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  September 24, 2018 11:00am
- igm
  
  Flipper: Is that Pom running Treasury any relation or friend of Cunliffe?
  Seems to be on similar wave length.
  
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  September 24, 2018 11:33am
waikatogirl

Turners and Growers tomato workers are going on strike nationwide today.
Yet another nationwide strike on Cindy’s watch. Dear, oh dear! ?
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September 24, 2018 9:05am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’d think twice about breaching a tomato worker’s picket line 🙂
  
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  September 24, 2018 9:11am
  - VicParking
    
    You would not want to needle a tomato picker
    
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    September 24, 2018 10:32am
waikatogirl

Just a wee question regarding the 2 GD’s. How is DPF supposed to keep his KB archive in good order when there will be 2 GD’s with the same date for 26 September? ?
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September 24, 2018 9:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  I know. My date-accuracy OCD is going crazy today. Our resident archivist Nostradamus will come to our rescue when we arrive in the real future.
  
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  September 24, 2018 10:06am
VicParking

Stephie, Hugh… A tip: post on last months GD’s. That way you wont get any down ticks.
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September 24, 2018 10:36am
softail 1450

VP, i wonder if septicboy would continue if he knew that nobody reads his lies ,it’s just downtick the prick and move on ….
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September 24, 2018 12:51pm
krazykiwi

The populist Sweden Democrats won so many votes in the country’s recent elections that they won more seats in local governments than they had candidates to fill them.

While it is not uncommon to see empty seats in municipal governments in Sweden at the end of an election cycle, it is rare to see empty seats after an election. The Sweden Democrats (SD) now find themselves in the position of having 22 empty seats across the country in 17 municipalities due to winning such a large share of votes, SVT reports.

Those popularists are, um, popular.
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September 24, 2018 2:37pm
Woz

Can anybody tell me why, if she is the world’s Great White Hope, spreading stardust all over the globe, can I not find a single reference to Jacinda Ardern on any of the world’s major news websites? I’ve gone to CNN, the BBC, the Independent, the Guardian, the WP, the LA Times, the NY times, Fox News… and as many others I could think of, each time doing a page search for “Ardern”, and I’ve found nothing. Zilch. Zippo. Nada. Of course it can change from minute to minute, and if you were to search right this second you might turn up a reference I didn’t a short time ago, but the general point is that while the local media breathlessly reports the peripatetic princess as sprinkling stardust all over the world, nobody else seems to give a single shit.
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September 24, 2018 4:28pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Woz, you’re right. This link details all “Ardern” news from US, UK, FR, DE, IT, CA in the last 24 hours. Not much is there?
  
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  September 24, 2018 4:45pm
  - Woz
    
    Yeah, woop dee doo. But I don’t understand, because she’s in hot demand. John Key had to send in his people bearing bribes, but everybody’s knocking at Jacinda’s door as she takes the world by storm. Or so Tracy Watkins tells me.
    
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    September 24, 2018 5:23pm
sooty

Here though, it’s wall to wall!
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