General Debate 23 September 2018

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fr8traindigital

I’m no prude but today’s advert is getting a bit below the belt.
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September 23, 2018 8:06am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Swimming Pools?
  
  What dodgy shit do you google when your home alone? ??????
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    All I’m getting is real estate ads
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:12am
  - Duxton
    
    I’m getting gay sex with transgenders dressed as French maids.
    
    The ads, that is.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:39am
    - Harkman
      
      I’m getting Target furniture, I wonder what your browser history might be revealing ?
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:37am
      - Duxton
        
        Being IT-illiterate as I am, I’m not really sure what a browser history is.
        
        But after carefully watching the video 38 times, I have come to the conclusion that the Latino TS is better looking than the others.
        
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        September 23, 2018 3:34pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Thai brides, viagra and will kits me
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:51am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  What ads?
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:05am
- Nukuleka
  
  Has anyone reacted with some astonishment as I have to the ‘Living Green’ ad that plays regularly on Sky in which a young boy is portrayed with a rainbow pillow and an affected and camp David Hartnell manner of speaking? Isn’t the portrayal of a child in such an overtly camp manner something akin to child abuse? Or is it just jolly good humour?
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:36am
- calendar girl
  
  Is that the advt captioned “All hail Dear Leader”?
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:36am
- Lance
  
  Ford Ranger ads here……………… with a big back seat nod nod wink wink
  
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  September 23, 2018 11:01am
Chuck Bird

This makes interesting reading. Trump should learn to take advise. He was doing okay until he attacked the alleged victim. He now has a GOP female Senator a bit annoyed.

Patti Davis: Why I don’t recall all the details of my sexual assault

Daughter of Ronald and Nancy Reagan, Patti Davis, has spoken about the night a music executive sexually assaulted her.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12129916
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September 23, 2018 8:10am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Ffs haven’t we all been sexually assaulted? Or is it just me? Sad if one lets it define ones life. Saying ‘is that it’, usually does the trick :).
  
  If only it was because one was so irresistible. Get over it, or you just let the bastards win.
  
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  September 23, 2018 11:29am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Thanks Rachael. Good to see a reply and not just downticks. It is interesting. It is similar to here. Key tugged on a waitress’s ponytail and the left made it sound like he was a rapist. We have an alleged sexual offender at the Labour Youth Camp and the left possibly including Cindy try to cover it up.
  
  In regards the professor and Kavanaugh I think there was maybe something there. I am not saying that means sexual assault of some sort. It could be that she flirted with him and as a young man, he responded inappropriately. They may have had a date and he stood her up.
  
  As Tucker Carlson says she is probably sincere in her belief but that does not mean her belief is correct after 36 years.
  
  In any case, she has a right to be heard but not on her terms. Kavanaugh also has a right of reply.
  
  I cannot see this stopping Kavanaugh’s being voted to the Supreme Court nor should it.
  
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  September 23, 2018 1:58pm
- waikatosinger
  
  The words “alleged victim” in this situation could equally well be applied to Kavanaugh. If the allegations are false he is the victim of a false accusation.
  
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  September 23, 2018 5:17pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Agreed. I think it is more likely that he is the victim.
    
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    September 23, 2018 6:08pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I didn’t notice your earlier gem until now Chuck:
      
      It could be that she flirted with him and as a young man, he responded inappropriately. They may have had a date and he stood her up.
      
      I think you left out a whole lot of other possibilities after your ‘could be’ and ‘may have had’. It’s quite possible, after all, that Kavanaugh was responsible for a whole series of sexual assault in the Georgetown area in the early 1980s.
      I think we could win prizes with you, Chuck, in a piece of shit competition.
      
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      September 23, 2018 6:18pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Of course the fact that Christine Ford named four people as “witnesses” or at least as being present, and all four have denied any knowledge of the party or occasion and have never heard of any such behaviour by Brett Kavanaugh.
        
        So the only questions we need to answer are who paid Ford for her dirty lies, and how much was it. When you think the Democrats can’t get any lower than the sewer and then they start submerging and swallowing the contents.
        
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        September 23, 2018 7:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Ed Snack, are you into more Deep State and Qnon? You have form for that kind of weirdness.
        
        Right?
        
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        September 23, 2018 7:53pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        OK Stephieboy, so you think an accusation where the “victim” nominates 4 witnesses, and ALL refute her story, or at the very least don’t back it up, is still credible ?
        
        Direct question, are the accusations of domestic violence against Keith Ellison credible .
        ? Are Juanita Broadrick’s allegations against Bill Clinton credible ?
        
        If not, why are they different ?
        
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        September 23, 2018 9:20pm
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

A salaam aliekum kaffir scum.
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September 23, 2018 8:13am
- JibberJabber
  
  May the fleas of 10 thousand camels infest your nether regions my unwashed goat shagging friend.
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:21am
- Duxton
  
  Mohammed long meme na pikpik puspusim.
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:44am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  May a boat load of ‘refugees’ wash up on your back lawn after the next thunderstorm
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:53am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
    
    Don’t blame Muslims seeking higher standards of living. Blame your own people – National and Labour and the Greens – who betray your country by letting them in!
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:57am
    - DigNap15
      
      I blame the muslims who seek to invade the western world and spread their evil religion.
      And I also blame all of our gutless politicians for not having the balls to say “Sorry No muslim refugees or immigrants to NZ.”
      And I blame our sickly white liberal, leftie politicians who want to bring muslims here.
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:02am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Je suis Hungarian
        
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        September 23, 2018 9:18am
    - backster
      
      But it is Winston who has either caved in or traded off one of his principles and allowed his Labour led Greens coalition Government to open the floodgates further.
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:08am
- James Stephenson
  
  I’ve been to Mecca. Loads of times.
  
  House!
  
  https://www.meccabingo.com/bingo-clubs/doncaster
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:57am
DigNap15

Note to myself.
Do not watch tv for the next few days.
Or I might see Ardern trying to look like a movie star (or Jesus) in the USA.
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September 23, 2018 8:18am
- Flash
  
  And wait for the celebrity shoot, complete with dowdy kiwi fashion. I watched a bit of tv news last week (had a house guest) – but in the interests of my mental wellbeing, I turned it off again. Silence is infinitely preferable.
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:27am
- Harkman
  
  They won’t even notice her. Though One News will try and spin it that she was a big hit speaking to a nearly empty General Assembly about “my baby” and “climate change” and “refugees”
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:41am
BlueGriffon

So, Kiwibuild is a lottery eh! Who’d have thought?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107231582/kiwibuild-will-benefit-the-few-not-the-many-economist

The apartments in Onehunga on the free market are $685,000 so Kiwibuild winners have an $85,000 head start.

So much for Labour and their equality and fairness talking points. They are going to spread the wealth around to those who earn up to $180K.
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September 23, 2018 8:18am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Apparently you can win one on the pokie machines
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:50am
- artemisia
  
  Mr Twyford’s KiwiBuild team apparently says KiwiBuilds are being sold at cost, that being lower than other market prices because ‘they will sidestep a lot of the planning costs and red-tape that make building expensive but only for KiwiBuild’.
  
  There’s a very obvious next question …..
  
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  September 23, 2018 10:33am
  - Paulus
    
    You have to confirm that to win you will vote Labour at the next election before you are put into the rigged ballot.
    
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    September 23, 2018 1:33pm
Simon

The Prog Princess has made to the safe space UN.

Wikipeadia describes safe space as:

“The term safe space refers to an autonomous space created for individuals who feel marginalized to come together to communicate regarding their experiences with marginalization, most commonly located on university campuses in the western world[2], but also at workplaces, as in the case of Nokia.[3]”
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September 23, 2018 8:19am
- JibberJabber
  
  How much will it cost us to get them to keep her there?
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:23am
  - igm
    
    Should be no cost as Gnashers will be feted by scum such as CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, and many mosques.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:32am
    - stephieboy
      
      igm,
      
      “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.”
      
      George Orwell
      
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      September 23, 2018 8:42am
      - holysheet
        
        Charles Manson is at heavens gates trying his luck, when God asks, aren’t you that murderous bastard who is responsible for the killings of people with no regard for life or spirit?…
        yes I’m afraid that’s me Oh lord..
        “Brilliant” says God, enter my boy!!..
        Mansons amazed and says to God, “your forgiveness has amazed me”..
        God says “fuck the forgiveness, I need a heartless bastard like you to kill all these Muslims who keep coming here annoying everyone asking where the virgins are!!
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:46am
      - stephieboy
        
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        holyturd, go and visit your Doctor!
        
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        September 23, 2018 9:12am
      - lilman
        
        “Toilet paper is optional.Burkas are liberating.Goats are family.”
        
        Donald Trump
        
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        September 23, 2018 9:33am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        “This phrase has been used by George Orwell in the first chapter of his novel. “1984.” In the novel, this phrase is one of the slogans of the Party. These slogans are, “War is peace / freedom is slavery [and] ignorance is strength.”
        Funny isn’t it add one word to the above description and you have New Zealand at present.
        The word is L A B O U R
        “This phrase has been used by George Orwell in the first chapter of his novel. “1984.” In the novel, this phrase is one of the slogans of the LABOUR Party. These slogans are, “War is peace / freedom is slavery [and] ignorance is strength.”
        Orwell, the Nostradamus of our age.
        
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        September 23, 2018 12:36pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Good quote, not sure why you’re advertising your beliefs like that though…
        
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        September 23, 2018 9:33pm
- VicParking
  
  She spent the day checking out her new office and working out how soon after 2020 she can start empolying staff
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I thought those jobs had already gone and she had not opened the email . . . .
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:56am
- Harkman
  
  How much is this costing us? What is she going to promise and give away to make headlines?
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:48am
  - waikatosinger
    
    She’s going to criticise Trump’s wall of course. Virtue signalling about refugees and illegal immigrants is what she does. Facepalm.
    
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    September 23, 2018 4:31pm
Sofia

Consumer confidence at six year low
The fact it is at a six year low just after the increase in welfare payments is a concern.

Perhaps it is because some people have nutted out that welfare figures just don’t add up.

HANSARD – Hon Andrew Little (Minister of Justice): It’s a great pleasure to speak. On average, 384,000 families are now better off by $65 a week, 64,000 children have been lifted out of poverty, and 26,000 more families now benefit from Working for Families. – https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20180704_20180704_16

384,000 families x $65 x 52 weeks = $1,297,920,000
Elsewhere it is stated the Package is budgeted for five years, which totals $6,489,600,000 or $6.4896 billion
And the amount Budgeted has often been quoted as $5.53 billion
So the amount calculated above is $0.9596 billion (close to $ 1 billion) over budget.

Has anyone in the media actually worked out these figures?
384,000 families x $65 x 52 weeks x 5 years. Then take away $5.53 billion budgeted.
Try it. Grant or Winston, who should have already. Or Simon. Or anyone?

And it’s also shit like this spin on 500 refugees …

As countries around the world look to close their borders to refugees and other migrants, New Zealand is working on its plan to lift its refugee intake to 1500 a year.

It’s a move that is being watched around the world, with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern having taken a strong stance on the issue, and New Zealand having adopted a community sponsorship model for refugees that has been specifically mentioned by the United Nations as it drafts its latest refugee strategy.
– https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104837520/nz-works-to-double-refugee-quota-as-others-close-their-borders

As the same item points out, The previous National government had increased the number from 750, where it had sat for 30 years.

And … Against a background of 22.5 million refugees worldwide”
So the truth is, New Zealand will take 1 / 45000th of them, that’s one forty five thousandth of them.

That is what Jacinda is going to wave in front of the United Nations. Just hope no one uses a calculator on their phone.

And further … The Government would also fund extra public housing for around 150 extra refugee families at an estimated cost of $32.5 million over three years, he said. – https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/09/19/243523/refugee-quota-to-rise-to-1500-in-2020

That’s $ 216,666 per family compared to …
Another tranche of KiwiBuild homes is coming on to this market, this time in the Auckland suburb of Onehunga. They will include six studio apartments priced from $380,000. [with hasty floor plan changes to come in just on 40 square meters] – https://www.interest.co.nz/property/95817/construction-starts-today-kiwibuilds-first-buying-plans-project-25-apartments

So what will a refugee family get for only 57% of the value of an Onehunga 40 sqm studio apartment?

Consumer confidence at six year low?
Perhaps it is because some people have nutted out the figures and they don’t add up.
And that’s apart from Winston saying Simon has spent 22 days looking for his mentally ill leaker (rather than telling him who it is) but taking 392 days so far seeking his own super leaker, and ministers being dismissed, and other shit like that.
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September 23, 2018 8:21am
- stephieboy
  
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  NZ keeps triple-A credit rating
  
  9:11 pm on 22 September 2018
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  “The credit agency Moody’s has today maintained the government’s credit rating and expressed confidence about the future of the economy.
  
  The rating remains at triple A, with the outlook described as stable.
  
  Moody’s analyst Matthew Circosta said the international ratings agency expects the coalition government will remain committed to fiscal discipline, with the Budget staying in surplus.
  
  But it says the government has the flexibility to increase spending in areas such as education and housing.
  Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the rating was very pleasing….”
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/367071/nz-keeps-triple-a-credit-rating
  
  Enough said.
  
  Move on!
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:22am
  - Simon
    
    Soyboy is happy the oversea creditors have given Labo the big tick in the neolib box. Labo have undertaken to continue with neoliberalism.
    
    But the locals can see the Labo clownshow incompetence up close.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:30am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Simon, a much desirable move to Trade barriers Trumpanomics ?
      
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      September 23, 2018 8:33am
      - Simon
        
        Fair & reciprocal.
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:37am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Simon, what’s so unfair about our trade arrangements that you would like to see changed?
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:43am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        WTF does that even mean?
        And what does Trump have to do with the subject?
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:53am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Be fair there though Simon, at least our clowncars are 7 series bmw’s, none of the cheap japaneese bongo van imports that the unwashed masses have to settle for for our politburo
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:02am
  - KevOB
    
    fiscal discipline, with the Budget staying in surplus.
    
    Has Moody’s had the charm school turned on them?
    Where’s the fiscal responsibility with the off-budget borrowing for govt housing? In commerce that called “window dressing the accounts” and auditors watch out for it.
    
    It’s the totality of the govt’s operations that has to be considered. Off-budget items still have to be paid for and affect other choices. Why do we have appropriations and votes items if public money can be spent outside Parliamentary direct authority?
    
    Who is accountable if the off-budget expenditure impacts the public finances?
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:34am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Maybe the Moody’s executives got an audience with the First Family, and a cuddle with Neve.
      
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      September 23, 2018 8:51am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Maybe the attraction is the exact opposite
        
        Cardigans not seen since Bain did not kill his family!
        
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        September 23, 2018 9:04am
    - igm
      
      It is not if, it will, impact on public finance figures unless Fat Fairy has had his father show him how to hydraulic audits.
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:00am
    - Piniwi
      
      But KevOB we are hastened to ask what happens when that source of “supplementary” borrowing also reaches the limit? Or do they see this as their money tree? As Sofia has pointed out that much of what is being presented is mere window dressing that look good if you are standing up close but the longer view shows the cracks. No surprises that the big figures don’t add up when the cost of the Justice talk fest could double so easily only overshadowed by the millions spent on Education talk feasts. Still we might expect Moody’s seeing so many banana republics think NZ has/had some healthy commodity resources while being blind to the direction being taken. Lets see how things look after the September quarter which should be out by Christmas while the house is in recess?
      
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      September 23, 2018 5:55pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Thanks to Nationals good stewardship after the GFC.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:38am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The Christchurch earthquakes (plural) the Kaikoura and Wellington earthquakes, the first rise in benefit levels in x years . . . . .
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:06am
  - Swifty
    
    Stiffy thinks we’re in capable economic hands…
    
    snigger.
    
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    September 23, 2018 9:08am
    - waikatosinger
      
      … incapable economic hands.
      
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      September 23, 2018 4:33pm
  - lilman
    
    Robertson may be very pleased.
    He also thinks having sex with guys is pleasing.
    Forgive me if I dont hold his views in great regard.
    
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    September 23, 2018 9:37am
  - Harkman
    
    Actually Standard & Poors is AA while Fitch is also AA.
    
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    September 23, 2018 9:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    Check the credit ratings from Standard and Poor’s plus Moody’s on the sub prime mortgage bonds in the months prior to the GFC.
    
    Your comment shows that like the ratings agencies, you know nothing.
    
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    September 23, 2018 3:36pm
- Paulus
  
  Are not the Onehunga flats leasehold of freehold ?
  And assume a body corporate for the upkeep, and rates.
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:42am
  - GazzaW
    
    I drove past the building site yesterday. 42 flats and studios on 3/4 acre of land. Go figure. I’m not sure that there’s any provision for carparking in which case 40+ cars parked outside on a main thoroughfare and bus route will prove very interesting. 80+ wheelie bins on rubbish day could also be a challenge.
    
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    September 23, 2018 10:09am
    - artemisia
      
      Rather than wheelie bins more likely to have skips in the basement presumably funded from body corp levies. Certainly not much room for wheelie bins in a 40 sq m apartment.
      
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      September 23, 2018 10:44am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        But weren’t some of them less than 40sqm?
        Maybe they forgot to include the letter box in the floor plan?
        Or is the letter box the floor plan?
        
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        September 23, 2018 12:06pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  On top of this, these idiots want the Living Wage as wide as possible.
  
  This WFF is essentially a taxpayer subsidy of the wage economy, removing the obligation of companies to actually pay a decent wage.
  
  This Government want companies to pay a decent wage.
  
  Step 1 should be to remove WFF.
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  The $1b is what’s left over for distribution to NZers after the $6b taken from taxpayers is sluiced through layer after layer of government troughing, inefficiencies and dodgy dealings.
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:21am
burt

So when is Twyford moving his family into a 40sqm appartment to prove that he’s right and it is enough space for a family ?
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September 23, 2018 8:32am
- igm
  
  Maybe he and his family could also do a stint in a recently “P”-cleared state house to show the muktitudes how safe they are.
  Gnashers, taxpayer-funded gigolo and their illegitimate sprog would not take up the challenge.
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:34am
  - DigNap15
    
    Or take in a refuge family!
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:39am
  - burt
    
    To be fair Ardern needs a place with enough space to park the mega CO2 producing boat.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:39am
  - VicParking
    
    If he waits six months after one of the 40sqm’er has been occupied he will be able to do both.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:56am
- holysheet
  
  Wood someone about to see their son removed from the family wood, due to the liabour sex camp thingy, move into one of them?
  She wood if she could just to be closer to Mt Eden.
  It wood be karma if the piece of wood was put into the serco run one. He could chop his own wood instead of what he did in the camp in the woods.
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:52am
  - igm
    
    Hopefully it Wood be better to see them move close to Paremoremo as they Wood not waste so much energy for visits.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:55am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      She does not pay for the gas going into the crown limo and if she has to have a Curran cab ride, so be it; someone else is paying, with socialists, any anything is alright as long as someone else is paying.
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:11am
  - VicParking
    
    Holy Normally this type of talk wood get you into trouble.
    I think we should not comment anymore on this subject as it also wood potentionaly get the blog chopped off at the knees and throwen into the wood pile.
    
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    September 23, 2018 9:04am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      You know you are spelling would rong don’t you, oh . . . . .
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:13am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Have you tried, how much wood can a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
    
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    September 23, 2018 11:38am
    - Paulus
      
      As much wood if the woodchuck could chuck if the woodchuck could chuck wood.
      
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      September 23, 2018 1:39pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Where is the ministerial BMW going to park?
  
  The parking space would be almost the same size as the des res
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:08am
  - cmm
    
    It is chauffeur driven. No need to park. Just keep driving around the block.
    
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    September 23, 2018 9:40am
- GazzaW
  
  ’40 sqm (including the balcony) is about the same size as an average lounge/dining area – “snug” is the operative word.
  
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  September 23, 2018 10:16am
- lifesgood
  
  All joking aside these so called “apartments”, more like compartments, will be slums in a few years time and just as the UK found their high rise cheap housing was a social disaster so too will these be.
  
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  September 23, 2018 11:21am
Humble Capitalist

Had enough? 1500 per year haven’t.
Must be a surplus of houses around for those living in cars for us to increase our intake.
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September 23, 2018 8:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Just wait, 2500 net migration loss to Australia, this year.
  Put them in their houses.
  
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  September 23, 2018 12:09pm
DigNap15

I see we now have another 100 or so nice kiwis coming back from Australia last week.
All of them only committed minor crimes, or so they say.
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September 23, 2018 8:58am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Australia is putting out the garbage.
  To our embarrassment, it’s our garbage.
  
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  September 23, 2018 12:10pm
MCos

Today the PM heads off to NYC to speak at the UN, meet other leaders and generally wave the flag for a week or so as part of her job description and as our other PMs have done before her.

Next month we have to fork out a million dollars so that the sixth in line to become our Head of State can have a jaunt around the country with his wife.
Why do we put up with this outrageous waste of public money which could be better spent on something meaningful?
Just give them a campervan and a list of camping grounds. That was good enough for Meghan last time.
They might even have some fun with people their own age.
Deny visas for the paparazzi. We have plenty of lightweight columnists who could do the job.
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September 23, 2018 8:59am
- VicParking
  
  But she went to number one shoes and brought a new pair of boots, had her teeth whitened and I hear Clarke will be visiting 47th street.
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:09am
- Dave Mann
  
  I wouldn’t class myself as a raging royalist fanboy – but honestly that was a mean spirited comment.
  
  Considering that this couple have a worldwide presence and a million dollars is a drop in the ocean of our government expenses, I think the international exposure for New Zealand will be well worth it.
  
  I say welcome and enjoy your stay.
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:34am
  - Viking2
    
    Just another cup of coffee then.
    How many coffee’s should we spend?
    
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    September 23, 2018 10:09am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    There will be cameras beaming pictures all over the world, as they follow the royals.
    This advertising is cheap at $1mill.
    Amount of international interest in Ardern???…N I L
    Less after she opens that stupid mouth of hers.
    
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    September 23, 2018 12:13pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I think all of the international press showcasing our beautiful country while it still exists is great and might provide a boost.
  
  Meghan would probably love the Wearable Arts extravaganza, is it on while they are here? I haven’t checked my diary.
  
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  September 23, 2018 11:42am
Woz

Just when I thought the child bride might have started to sober up, calling out corrupt and inept Pacific regimes for what they are, she’s been back to surreptitiously sly-slugging from Barely’s bottle of single malt, and turned in a fawning, drunken, tear-stained love letter to our toothsome Titan of international liberal politics.
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September 23, 2018 9:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

Chinese Language Week, folks

你好

And my favourite Chairman Mao Quote:
女人撑起半边天
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September 23, 2018 9:06am
- calendar girl
  
  Google gives me a translation: “Women hold up half the sky”. Is that correct?
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    
    The full quote:
    敢于斗争，敢于胜利，妇女能顶半边天。
    Dare to struggle, dare to win; women hold up half the sky.
    Mao Zedong, 1968.
    
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    September 23, 2018 9:38am
    - Viking2
      
      They certainly hold up the trafic and the queue at the loo’s.
      
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      September 23, 2018 10:10am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh heck, Viking2
        
        You’ve not been using Ladies’ Loos, have you?
        
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        September 23, 2018 11:08am
      - Jack5
        
        I wonder what Mao meant by this?
        
        像我这样的人听起来像很多大
        炮。
        
        “People like me sound like a lot of big cannons.”
        
        What could the ordinary Chinese bloke or woman hoeing the rice fields say to that?
        
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        September 23, 2018 11:14am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Jack 5…
        
        That was Chairman Mao reflecting on some poetry of his that Richard Nixon had just quoted back to him.
        “The Memoirs of Richard Nixon”
        
        An old man looking back on his life’s utterances.
        
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        September 23, 2018 11:58am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Not “power comes out of the barrel of a gun”? 😉
  
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  September 23, 2018 11:09am
- Manolo
  
  E quando la settimana della lingua italiana, cara Maggy?
  
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  September 23, 2018 11:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh dear, that one seems to have slipped under the Language Week Czars’ radar…. along with Bhasa Indonesia Week, Hindi Week and Tok Pisin Week.
    
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    September 23, 2018 11:53am
RF

Cindy had a problem. Spare seat in her dream liner to the US of A.

Barely Sober standing at the Koru lounge has been continually humping her leg as well as First Fishes pleading pick me, pick me.

It was getting tiresome so Cindy calls in H2 as H1 is still trying to remember the combination to her old building at the UN. Some intelligent rat saw her coming and changed the code.

H2 calls Sober into a toilet after kicking out Aaron Smith and a stewardess and after a severe talking to he promises to instruct HDPA that she should write a nice soft puff piece about stardust, not mentioning the hobbit or Labour led Govt.

Several hours later Cindy greets Sober at the rear of the aircraft and sits him next to the toilet. His duty is to look after First fish and immediately report to her if there is any eye contact with stewardesses.

Everyone is happy except Trump who is not looking forward to meeting Mrs Trudeau from NZ again.
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September 23, 2018 9:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I wonder if President Trump will be less orange when she meets him this time?
  
  She will be more stupid, something that I am sure will not escape Trump
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:16am
  - lifesgood
    
    Um, actually, she is not meeting him or anyone else of importance actually. She has a few appointments on talk shows, though.
    
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    September 23, 2018 11:24am
- Flash
  
  The last line is the best – well done!
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:39am
Morrissey

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Heroes
No. 5: MEDEA BENJAMIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peJGmeg6ZE8

“Heroes” is a series devoted to those courageous and brilliant people who show us that, in a world seemingly run by flag-fetishists, cowards, conformists, crooks, abusers, gropers, hair-pullers, scoundrels, embedded churnalists, mass murderers and liars, there are still reasons for optimism.

No. 1 Edward Snowden, No. 2 Gideon Levy, No. 3 Colin Kaepernick, No. 4 Allan Nairn

Produced by Daisycutter Sports Inc.
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September 23, 2018 9:13am
- Morrissey
  
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  One scumbag supporter of louts and bullies has registered his reptilian presence. Begone, f**kwit! Crawl back under your rock.
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:18am
  - starboard
    
    no, 7 morris breen..your crappy post will be toast sooon, heh.
    
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    September 23, 2018 9:40am
- Harkman
  
  Colin Kaepernick is crap at least people like Dennis Rodman could make a team.
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:56am
  - Morrissey
    
    “Crap”? Unless you know nothing about sports, you’ll realize that he was, and is, one of the best athletes in the NFL. When it comes to brains and courage, he’s even more impressive.
    
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    September 23, 2018 12:40pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      No he’s not.
      
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      September 23, 2018 1:48pm
backster

Perhaps this item gives some understanding as to why Business and Consumer confidence is so low and falling https://www.chrislee.co.nz/taking-stock
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September 23, 2018 9:21am
- DigNap15
  
  To much to read!
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  Chris has made a lot of money out of the Kapiti Coast retired set. A lot of well heeled ex civil servants reside in that area.
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:54am
Morrissey

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The billionaires who give you your talking points are beyond contempt. You need to read thoughtfully, and with a degree of skepticism. Can you do that, I wonder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzd1AMvL7JQ
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September 23, 2018 9:23am
- Swifty
  
  Hey Morrissey, may I ask, where were you born?
  
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  September 23, 2018 10:01am
  - Morrissey
    
    I was born of woman, Swifty, that is all you need to know…..
    
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    September 23, 2018 12:48pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and she admitted that?
      
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      September 23, 2018 12:49pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Good one, my friend!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blpe_sGnnP4
        
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        September 23, 2018 12:54pm
Southern Raider

HDPA does a big puff piece in the Herald about how the world is falling over themselves to meet our virtue signalling princess and that only the biggest media outlets have been granted an audience

FFS we don’t want or need a celebrity. We need a leader for a country who cares about NZ and not her own personal fame
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September 23, 2018 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  Cindy goes to Hollywood.
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:55am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Cindy does Dallas?
    
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    September 23, 2018 10:57am
    - RF
      
      Deep…… nah I wont go down that road although I have heard it been well travelled…..
      
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      September 23, 2018 11:16am
lastmanstanding

I suggest KBers tell everyone you know that if CGT is introduced the family home will be included sooner rather than later.

Reasons

1. The family home is included in many other juristictions that have a CGT.

2. The family home is sold on average every 5 to 7 years.

3. Therefore imagine the CGT a Government would be reaping at present.

4. In other juristictions the CGT on the family home is a significant amount of the total collected in some case the largest slice.

5. Owners of other assets subject to CGT will have tax accountants and tax lawyers who are able to use any loop hole to avoid ( not evade) or delay the CGT.

6. Once introduced CGT will never be appealed. The other lot will shrug their shoulders and say wasnt us and carry on collecting and wasting the tax.
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September 23, 2018 9:28am
- RW Capitalist
  
  One of the most dangerous suggestions
  CGT on Business’ calculated annually against gain in value.
  ie UNREALIZED gain, so companies won’t be charged CGT on their sale. They will be charged annually against the value of the company as I F they may sell.
  So it is way of:
  1. Increasing company tax.
  2. Effectively government becomes a partner in their business. ie Instead of being called a stake holder, shareholder, director etc they will mandate what % of YOUR business they will take each year.
  
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  September 23, 2018 12:27pm
  - Paulus
    
    But imagine CGT includes all houses.
    Then bring in an Unrealised CGT annually base on the CV of the property times a notional annual Capital gain %.
    Added to your rates bill and passed to the IRD.
    
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    September 23, 2018 1:46pm
- calendar girl
  
  Secretary of the NZ Treasury, Gabriel Makhlouf https://treasury.govt.nz/contacts/gabriel-makhlouf didn’t impress me on TV today with his obvious enthusiasm – passion, even – for introducing a Capital Gains Tax. His background in UK Treasury roles and his upbringing when his parents had careers in the cloistered environment of the UN leave me concerned that Makhlouf is the principal financial advisor to our naive Labour-led Government.
  
  Where are our own home-based advisers in such roles? (Hopefully with more impressive academic credentials than his.) People who understand intuitively what makes NZ and its people tick? Why does this country always believe that immigrants (preaching ‘diversity’, of course) are required to fashion the future of our country and its people’s way of life?
  
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  September 23, 2018 7:22pm
RF

I feel sorry for the secret service detail who have been tasked to look after our royal family.

One poor agent has to carry a bucket of ice water in case someone we cannot mention gets a sudden urge to become friendly with one of the locals.

When I was a farmers son I quickly learnt the meaning of “dog knotted”.
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September 23, 2018 9:35am
- cmm
  
  These days there’s a more convenient option than a bucket of ice water. Just carry a can of CRC freeze spray.
  
  https://www.crc.co.nz/Freeze-Spray/6895-27124481-a11a-40d6-8ff1-aff2d4275723/
  
  “Multi-Purpose Coolant for Trouble-Shooting”
  
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  September 23, 2018 9:44am
kevn

@SR…. She could become Minister of Tourism? Seems more fitting.
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September 23, 2018 9:38am
krazykiwi

London’s Khan tying himself in knots:

London has seen not only its murder rate surge but has also recorded huge rises in other ‘high harm’ crimes including acid attacks, shootings, rape, and knife crime under its Labour mayor, who insists the worrying trend is down to “police cuts” mandated by the government.

Against the backdrop of his sinking poll numbers, as London residents grow increasingly concerned over the capital’s crime figures, Khan this week announced the city would take a “public health” approach to the violence, treating knife violence like a “disease”

If knife violence is a, ah, disease, then why does he call out ‘police cuts’ as the problem?

Clutching. At. Straws.
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September 23, 2018 9:48am
- Inandout
  
  London is safe, honest, especially when you are required to spin a story.
  
  https://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-information/essential-information/staying-safe-in-london
  
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  September 23, 2018 10:00am
jcuk

I hear that some Rotorua[?] famers are thinking of reducing their stock to help with polution and instead gain income from tourists.
I wonder if they have calculated the increase from the tourists travelling to their farms for a farm-stay
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September 23, 2018 10:10am
secondcumming

Following the aftermath of *Hurricane Florence* which left 9 dead and thousands homeless, my mate in the US retweets…….

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnUYJq8WwAASPke.jpg
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September 23, 2018 10:18am
Swifty

“If you take immigrants from Calcutta, you don’t help Calcutta, you become Calcutta….”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/107229367/fradulent-electrician-risked-lives-but-got-stellar-online-reviews-for-electrical-work

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107073322/the-big-scam-im-always-scared
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September 23, 2018 10:28am
greybeard

Headline on Stuff’s home page:
“Matilda Rice can’t afford a house”.
Jesus wept…………….
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September 23, 2018 10:42am
Manolo

What is next in the Brexit saga?
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu/may-challenges-eu-as-brexit-talks-hit-impasse-sterling-tumbles-idUSKCN1M10OJ
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September 23, 2018 10:43am
- Inandout
  
  Soros will do everything in his power to stall Brexit.
  
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  September 23, 2018 10:57am
UpandComer

Lol i was just thinking last night and now this morning that everything could only be as it is. The world is so very different in it’s nature and properties then one has assumed. The advantage of oblique solitude, metaphysical and social alienation, and ceaseless enquiry. And what can you say? The dividing line is immense. In all dimensions. You either are made privy, in which case you were at risk of subsumption . Or, you have to undergo a process of incremental discernment and percipience-development – until knowledge and perception are sufficient. Then, its bittersweet. Because if you’d known many years ago the nature and materiality of the order, you may have made different choices, been free of various fetters, and accomplished much. On the other hand, all choices and sufferances and afflictions are excused in that they led to the understanding and were preconditional for it. I can see now. Unless you receive disclosure, the elements required for both the mind-state of sufficient scepticism but also openness combined with sufficient interface with events are very rare. Particularly in the sub optimal impaired state we are all in, in my generation in particular riven with foreign substances disorienting ideations and programming and physical bars, due to what was done. Now I think perhaps I understand some people and the world better. Why wouldn’t you be smiling, if you knew. So many clues from various levels of understanding. And here we are. So humble after all. And the great thing is, if you observe, you will see signs.

Puts everything in perspective. Suffice to say. It will be a very eventful next 5-6 years. I hope we are all ready.

Lol. Bizarre as this may all seem Trump isn’t going to lose the mid terms. In fact I will now say he will increase his congressional majority and I’d bet every dollar i have on it. How bizarre. I also would suggest brushing up on astronomy and astrology and keeping an eye in the international news re space. And be kind and generous to those around you.

What a time to be alive. I just hope it doesn’t all somehow go wrong. To think all that time one thought was wasted was actually formational. Ah well. Good morning and happy Sunday Kiwiblog. Haha hung over yes. But not stoned etc. Juat a fruitful period of learning. And no i can’t say. No one will believe unless and until it is revealed.
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September 23, 2018 10:47am
Manolo

European lefties are fearful:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/22/un-general-assembly-trump-diplomats-summit

World leaders were braced for surprises when Trump made his UN debut last year, but he still managed to shock, using his speech to threaten to “totally destroy” North Korea. This time, his counterparts arrive in New York having had a year to work out how to manage their relations with him.

But that does not mean they can predict what he will do or say.
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September 23, 2018 10:57am
- Inandout
  
  And that is the way it should be, as we now know the International Swamp is filled with anti Trump professional public servants. Trump is a mystery to them.
  
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  September 23, 2018 11:00am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Trump is a mystery to Hillary as well. The state sector employees will never understand why Trump won and they lost
    
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    September 23, 2018 3:34pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Just can’t wait for Nikki Haley to say “That’s it – finished, US will give no more money to the UN. You have had more than one chance and you keep ignoring the US”
  
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  September 23, 2018 3:36pm
Jack5

Well done to Stuff and reporters Dileepa Fonseka and Steve Kilgallon for their good work on the Indian immigration racket.

Human trafficking, workplace slavery, and our MPs don’t seem to give a toss.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107073322/the-big-scam-im-always-scared
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September 23, 2018 11:00am
- Swifty
  
  Our representatives are like many others all over the world who haven’t and won’t face the fact that where you import people from corrupt countries you also import their corruption.
  
  You also import their cultural practices and beliefs – and nowhere have I seen any mention of this in the recent announcements that we’re upping our refugee intake.
  
  It is a proven fact (Gallop and Pew polling internationally) that these immigrants retain in large numbers their anti-women, anti-gay, anti-free speech, anti-democracy, intolerant and corrupt views and behaviours and for generations.
  
  And for the slowest commentator here – I don’t say all but I do say many if not most. I’ve seen the research, particularly out of Europe and in the UK.
  
  And just to double the harm, when problems do inevitably arise – our representatives then take even more of our money in a vain attempt to fix the very problems they have heaped on us in the first instance!
  
  I have said and I’ll say again we are being very poorly served by our so-called representatives these days. Where is the analysis that we are doing more good, for more people by bringing some people here rather than providing assistance (presumably to many, many more) in their countries of origin, for example?
  
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  September 23, 2018 12:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Swifty, you can, of course, give numerous examples where the practice of different cultural customs and beliefs( including anti-gay, free speech, anti-democracy etc ) are the source of huge problems in our fair nation and society?
    
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    September 23, 2018 1:26pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Yup
      It costs a fortune.
      
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      September 23, 2018 1:46pm
    - Swifty
      
      You’ve tried this line many times before – that because you are blind to the problems therefore they don’t exist.
      
      By doing so you demonstrate repeatedly that you are unfit for any position of responsibility because you have no sense of risk management and how better it is to prevent risks from occurring than try to enact damage control once they have manifested.
      
      I know you are not very clever, so let me describe things in terms you might finally understand.
      
      Every year and fortnightly over the last 6 weeks I’ve copper sprayed my spuds. This is to prevent, or at least forestall, the onset of blight which kills the plants.
      
      I do so to prevent a problem occurring. I don’t wait for blight symptoms to appear because spraying then would do no good – the plants are doomed and I’m better to rip them out at that stage and harvest what spuds there are.
      
      This in addition, of course, to only using certified disease free seed spuds – to dramatically reduce the possibility of bringing pests on to my place.
      
      Needless to say also that just because I don’t see blight symptoms on my plants doesn’t mean that blight spores are not present and waiting to pounce. They are – and the years where my spray programme has been deficient, BAM, I get crop collapse from 2-3 weeks from first symptoms appearing.
      
      What happens when we use crap seed spuds and do not perform good crop management practices?:
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107212250/the-big-scam-how-our-immigration-system-is-being-rorted
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11999043
      
      And international polling results:
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
      
      I won’t link to the mass UK rape gang news pages because that would be crass – but the issue is worthy of mention.
      
      Oh, and by the way Stiffy – you’d make a poor farmer.
      
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      September 23, 2018 3:03pm
Paulus

I see that Septic Sepulona is going to London to be at an Art Exhibition opening.
First Class of course I would expect.
She should take her Mother along as a Nanny too for free !
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September 23, 2018 11:27am
- starboard
  
  Parasite, she wouldn’t know art if it crept up and bit her on her fat troughing arse. Why the fuck do we to pay these pricks to go to an art exhibition on the other side of the world !!?? I hope she is on leave and paying for it herself? Her mother is a convicted criminal if my memory serves correctly?
  
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  September 23, 2018 11:34am
  - Swifty
    
    She was certainly troughing up large in the AKL Koru Lounge Friday week ago at 6.30am.
    
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    September 23, 2018 12:20pm
    - starboard
      
      AirNZ must hate the likes of her and fat fairy, woods,
      and lately coffee and hipkins who seemed to be enjoying the knife and fork.
      
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      September 23, 2018 12:35pm
  - Longknives
    
    From what I’ve read Labour are flying her over there to have a crack at Captain Cook…(Who is seemingly cannon fodder for the Left these days)
    
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    September 23, 2018 3:50pm
big bruv

” Her mother is a convicted criminal if my memory serves correctly?”

Yes indeed she is. Although Septic didn’t know her mum was breaking the law for all those years………..really she didn’t.
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September 23, 2018 11:58am
- RF
  
  That might be a problem for Septic’s mum as she is a crook. She might be classed as an undesirable person and entry denied.
  
  That would be a laugh.
  
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  September 23, 2018 12:28pm
- Longknives
  
  It absolutely astounds me that this Sepuloni character is allowed to be Minister for Welfare with her History.
  Surely this is a massive Conflict of Interest at the very least??
  
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  September 23, 2018 3:48pm
starboard

We need to change our whole political system.
12 good leaders, businessmen and women.
Run the country in the best interests of the country.
A good salary and a couple of perks as per the NZ worker.
Close the beehive, better still burn it down.
Govt quangos, all gone.
Maori gravy train, gone.
Start using all the money saved for the health of the people who are ALL , New Zealanders, regardless of colour. Hone, you and your ilk can fuck off.
Take a lesson from the rest of the world..ban muslim imports.
Start drilling for oil, big time. Gold and minerals, big time.
Lets do this.
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September 23, 2018 11:59am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Drain the swamp? Where did I hear that?
  Fundraiser – MNZGA hats!
  
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  September 23, 2018 4:56pm
burt

Take the 2 minutes required to listen to this but as you do replace the word ‘pacifica’ with ‘white’.

Imagine the outrage if white woman were saying they needed more white midwives and that non white people didn’t understand their culture.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/shortage-pasifika-midwives-means-some-expectant-mothers-having-travel-away-auckland
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September 23, 2018 12:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Muslim women invariably have female Muslim doctors/midwives to deliver their offspring. A male Christian deliverer would be the highest insult.
  
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  September 23, 2018 12:30pm
wiseowl

My take on the hysteria coming out of Carterton.

A kid says he saw something white coming out of a plane. No proof.
Smell like sulphur.
Organic growers use lime sulphur that smells like Rotorua.
I doubt a plane is going to spray lime sulphur .
Is there an organic grower around there using lime sulphur?
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September 23, 2018 12:24pm
Morrissey

Triple A credit rating—National’s numbskull, nutty, nattering nabobs of negativity will be gnarlier than EVER now….

https://thestandard.org.nz/national-will-be-gutted-moodys-gives-new-zealand-an-aaa-credit-rating/
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September 23, 2018 12:51pm
- starboard
  
  Why? National will be responsible for that.
  Surely, you’re not so thick as to think liarbor have anything to do with the rating..are you ?!
  Nah, nobodies that fucking stupid.
  
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  September 23, 2018 1:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    starboard, very deep.
    
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    September 23, 2018 1:20pm
    - starboard
      
      like you shariaboy..in your goat.
      
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      September 23, 2018 1:51pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Morrissey’s source is far worse than CNN.
    The Strandard? get outa here
    
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    September 23, 2018 5:01pm
- Morrissey
  
  Two resentful right wing numpties have registered their disapproval of the great credit rating this government has garnered.
  
  https://shop.spreadshirt.com/Famousmerch/fuck+em-A9184771
  
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  September 23, 2018 1:10pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Fourteen respectable centre-right New Zealanders have registered the fact that Morris Dancer is a lefty ignoramus.
    
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    September 23, 2018 5:23pm
    - Morrissey
      
      “Centre”-right? You’re delusional, Cap’n.
      
      Actually, THIS is what you are….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
      
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      September 23, 2018 7:53pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Oh, it’s up to twenty now, and still zero supporting the lefty ignoramus’s position.
        Give up while you’re behind, fuckwit.
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:19pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Only in your febrile mind are those twenty right wingers anywhere near the “centre”, Cap’n.
        
        What Judge Judy said.
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:26pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  So we will borrow to the maximum then?
  
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  September 23, 2018 1:38pm
  - Morrissey
    
    We certainly should. Interest rates are at a record low, and our government has the highest international reputation. We need money to fund hospitals, schools, public transport, and many other vital parts of our infrastructure that have been neglected for almost a decade.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:25pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      What a sad place you inhabit Morrissey Breen, long may you rot there.
      
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      September 23, 2018 9:44pm
    - Jack5
      
      But Morrissey, what about interest payments?
      
      These are in US dollars, and the NZ dollar exchange rate with the US dollar would probably plunge in a crisis.
      
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      September 23, 2018 10:02pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I don’t go to “The stranded” for my news.
  I actually look it up
  https://www.moodys.com/credit-ratings/New-Zealand-Government-of-credit-rating-553700
  So Labour and the stranded Numpties are cheering because, So far, they haven’t wrecked our economy enough for Moody’s to notice.
  Aaa has been our credit rating at least since 2008/9
  and has been unchanged.
  Not exactly a win is it.
  
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  September 23, 2018 1:43pm
- notrotsky
  
  Moz ! I thought you and Longhair were still recovering from jet lag after returning from the cottaging conference in Little Fisting.
  
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  September 23, 2018 1:52pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Ouch! That was hurtful, Trotters.
    
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    September 23, 2018 2:01pm
Jack5

The unelected members of the Immigration and Protection Tribunal are undermining national immigration policy.

If NZ’s ultra-liberal justice system sees itself as above control by the plebs, then the Immigration and Protection Tribunal is an obvious example.

The tribunal has let stand a Ministerial decision to deport an international people smuggler, already deported from North America, but has lifted a ban on him applying for a new visa to visit NZ.

Obviously the tribunal thinks the crook is entitled ultimately to join, or at least visit, the woman and her children in NZ with whom he was linked by an arranged marriage. She already had her children when the marriage was arranged.

This isn’t quite up there with the Judge who sentenced a young Muslim refugee to a soft non-custodial sentence, including golf lessons, after the youth planned to mass murder Christchurch people. But it’s still weird that a small group of liberals can be unelected arbiters of which Third World gatecrashers can live in NZ. Huge power to people selected by politicians rather than by the voting public.

Of course having a tribunal does create business for the thriving immigration law industry.

Winston Peters’ NZ First has proved to be pretty much of a wimp in fronting up to Third World gatecrashers. There is a market gap for some political party.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/36709
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September 23, 2018 2:42pm
- marcw
  
  Your link is broken jaksie.
  
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  September 23, 2018 3:30pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Deleted, the truth is toxic
    
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    September 23, 2018 5:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    Thanks, Marcw.
    
    Try this one. If the wrong link is my fault, I apologise.
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/367091/nz-resident-involved-in-people-smuggling-to-be-deported
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:48pm
- wiseowl
  
  NZ First better front up on the immigration question otherwise there will be desertion by whoever is left supporting them.
  Huge gap for this issue and someone to tackle race privileges.
  
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  September 23, 2018 5:53pm
Fletch

Latest news on the Kavanaugh incident – now all four people who the accuser says were at this “party” where she got attacked are saying they know nothing about it; the latest being her lifelong friend Leland Keyser.

Christine Blasey Ford has named several people who would be witnesses to, or have knowledge of, what she says happened to her. Patrick Smyth denies it. Mark Judge denies it. Brett Kavanaugh denies it. People have claimed these are all men who went to school together, so they must be protecting themselves. What about any female witnesses?

Christine Blasey Ford said there was one. Her name is Leland Keyser. She was Ford’s classmate. She was not an eye witness, but Ford said she had knowledge of the party and assault. I have obtained Keyser’s attorney’s letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Ms. Keyser denies any knowledge of the events Christine Blasey Ford describes. So, to recap, every single person referenced by Ford denies knowing anything except Ford and she can’t tell us when or where the event happened. Even Ford’s own classmate denies having knowledge of the event.

Here is the letter:

Dear Ms. Mehler:

Ms. Leland Keyser has engaged me in the limited capacity to address your request for information in the email below. Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.

Ms. Keyser hopes this information is helpful to your investigation. I am avaiable for any further questions you may have.

Sincerely,

—

Howard J. Walsh III, Esq.

https://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/erick-erickson/breaking-christine-blasey-ford-s-female-eye-witness-doesn-t-remember-anything-vHwXAKtCgUWdX_jSGdb7mA/

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/09/22/report-lawyer-says-christine-blasey-fords-classmate-has-no-recollection-of-ever-being-at-a-party-with-kavanaugh-or-ford/

Yet Republicans have caved to her demand to be heard on Thursday. This is likely to delay Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing by at least another week, if not permanently.
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September 23, 2018 3:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why would a short delay in the confirmation be a bad thing? Is there any particular reason to rush a confirmation process for a life-time appointment to the supreme court?
  
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  September 23, 2018 3:40pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    They are hoping to run the clock down to the mid terms.
    They believe they can win the mid terms
    Then they will have the votes to get their person.
    
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    September 23, 2018 4:09pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, they (if by ‘they’ you mean the Democrats) won’t. At best, the Democrats could block this nomination, forcing Trump to choose again. Perhaps you mean that a Democratic majority in the Senate (which seems unlikely) could refuse to proceed altogether on any Trump nomination, citing his lack of a ‘mandate’ with a presidential election only two years away.
      
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      September 23, 2018 4:29pm
      - Inandout
        
        Very few US politicians or judges could withstand the scrutiny that Kavanaugh has been exposed to and come out clean. Going back to high school days FFS would net hundreds, if they were indeed red blooded males.
        
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        September 23, 2018 6:00pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True, Inandout. Which male among us did not commit at least a few sexual assaults while at high school?
        
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        September 23, 2018 6:21pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mike:
        
        Which male among us did not commit at least a few sexual assaults while at high school?
        
        Starboard will be along shortly to ask what you got up to behind the bike shed back in the day!
        
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        September 23, 2018 6:37pm
      - starboard
        
        Those perfectly formed round holes in the bike sheds were not for sticking your head in..apparently, eh mm.
        
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        September 23, 2018 7:07pm
      - UpandComer
        
        The catalyst date is 1 October. It demarcates court sessions. He will be appointed before then. These silly easily dismissed false claims are futile. Then ill be data mining names and extraditions for a range of people in Australia and internationally. They made the wrong decision. It will be interesting to see who got cut a deal and who didn’t. Many people won’t get or haven’t got deals. Keep an eye on the news.
        
        We should all be genuinely happy and filled with a sense of promise. We have been gifted life at a seminal turning point in human history. The degree to which every person perceives and benefits from the transition will differ. But everyone is going to benefit in fundamental ways, and already are. It transcends politics. I don’t know how much will be disclosed. But everyone is going to benefit. Regardless of how much has been lost, it is nothing to the unfathomable losses planned and averted.
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:00pm
Fletch

To add to above, Ricki Seidman, the Democratic operative who is advising Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser, predicted in July that there would be a “strategy” to defeat Kavanaugh’s nomination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=zRttpJxj59A

Well, I guess they found it.
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September 23, 2018 3:55pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think the ‘strategy’ might have been to take as long as required to examine the nominee’s record as a lawyer and a judge. Perhaps the hearing would have been confined to that had the nominee been more forthcoming and more documents released for the committee’s review.
  But I’m sure that now an allegation of this nature has been made, by an unsurprisingly reluctant complainant, the least the committee could do would be to undertake a more thorough review.
  
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  September 23, 2018 4:44pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiKmIjqndDdAhUGUd4KHVylDm4QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriotpost.us%2Fmemes%2F52936-unicorn&psig=AOvVaw2UjS29fuwMjU6XqVa3rNuV&ust=1537761294710801
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September 23, 2018 4:06pm
Nostradamus

Pete George has published an interesting blog post today: Defamation trial – Craig versus McGregor. Colin Craig’s defamation case against ex-party secretary Rachel McGregor starts tomorrow. And there’s other litigation:

– Jordan Williams v Colin Craig (appeal to be heard by the Supreme Court)
– Colin Craig v Cameron Slater (the trial was held in May-June 2017, but no judgment yet)
– Matthew Blomfield v Cameron Slater (defamation trial next month)
– And, of course, previously Colin Craig v John Stringer.

A judgment related to the last proceeding (Colin Craig v John Stringer) states:

Mr Stringer received a copy of the file note [given to Ms McGregor and put on her employment file] by way of inspection. It is a 14-line, typed note. Under a heading “Things I am Doing”, Mr Craig introduces six brief points with the following paragraph:

Following on from the above here are the things that I am doing to ensure our relationship is constructive and appropriate. My own little action plan if you like (pretty much all as already discussed with you).

The six points that followed were:
1. Texting only for work.
2. Limitation of time when we are alone i.e. not nights or weekends.
3. When I think of you I pray for you.
4. Giving you a massage/hug when you want one. In your words it’s “comforting”.
5. Encouraging you to seek God and be close to him. Making our relationship focus on good and holy things. Praying together.
6. Encouraging you to be a support and helper of my wife Helen. This is actually a lot to ask – I realize that. But again love is not self-seeking and if you help strengthen and build my marriage then you are doing good not evil. If/when you are married and if things don’t change (i.e. you haven’t moved away) I would likewise be a supporter and encourager of your marriage.

The more I read about Colin Craig, the more I wonder how he ever thought he’d make it in politics, with such poor situational-awareness and personal judgment.
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September 23, 2018 5:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  ooooooooooooooooh.
  
  How could you read all that?
  
  The scary thing is, that these types of creeps move amongst us.
  
  ps. edit..
  How did this character get to be a “succesful” businessman?
  Did he inherit money… or just suck in suckas?
  
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  September 23, 2018 5:50pm
- nasska
  
  Don’t be so cruel Nostra. Thousands upon thousands of God’s sheep supported him because he promised to enable the meddlesome knowalls in their quest to control our lives.
  
  Conservatives claim to value limited government but are willing to expand government without limit in order to impose their personal morality on all others.
  
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  September 23, 2018 6:04pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  1 and 2 are common sense for most people.
  
  After that things are very, very creepy.
  
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  September 23, 2018 7:46pm
Steve (North Shore)

I will not testify in a car.
I will not testify near or far.
I will not testify in a train.
I will not fly in a plane.
I will not testify, here or there.
I will not testify anywhere.
I will not testify first. Or last.
I will not testify slow or fast.
There’s nothing more for me to say.
I can’t remember, anyway.

Arther unknown
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September 23, 2018 6:24pm
Nostradamus

Claire Trevett: PM Jacinda Ardern’s Trump tactics

About 140 leaders are in New York for the annual leaders’ week, and the New Zealand PM usually tries to catch up with those who will not be at other summits. This year Trump is one of those – he will not attend Apec or the East Asia Summit later in the year. But when Ardern turns up to the formal dinner Trump is hosting for all the leaders Tuesday morning (NZ time), while she will not try to avoid Trump nor will she try to engineer a fulsome chat.
…
All might not be lost, however. Ardern’s partner, Clarke Gayford, has been invited to a reception hosted by Melania Trump which might prove more productive in finding that common ground.

Clarke will be surrounded by women at the function for political leaders’ spouses – hopefully he’ll remember to eat dinner with his mouth closed, not to have a LAX-type incident, and to be on his best behaviour in all other respects!
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September 23, 2018 6:48pm
- nasska
  
  NZ’s best interests might be served if he can remember to keep his pants on!
  
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  September 23, 2018 6:54pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Perhaps Jacinda will give Clarke a six-point list like the one that Colin Craig dreamed up? Point 1 could definitely be “keep your pants on”. My worry is that Clarke will feel so nervous that he’ll forget one of the six points – and hopefully not that one!
    
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    September 23, 2018 6:58pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Nostradamus were you by chance one of 3.85 % or so who voted for Colin and his Conservative party back in the glory days before things began to unravel?
      
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      September 23, 2018 7:19pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        There were some Colin Craig fans (such as Deadrightkev) here at Kiwiblog. But I wasn’t – “by chance” or otherwise – a Colin Craig voter. Mind you, given the current state of NZ politics, it’s not as if we’re spoilt for choice!
        
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        September 23, 2018 7:25pm
      - nasska
        
        I actually feared for Colin Craig’s well being in the lead up to the 2011 & 2014 elections. At the rate things were going, he would have been a candidate for rectal reconstruction surgery before either of the elections.
        
        The analingus endurance record attempts by the Godfreaks & Conservonutters who haunt this blog could have been his undoing.
        
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        September 23, 2018 7:36pm
nasska

…..”Encouraging you to seek God and be close to him. Making our relationship focus on good and holy things. Praying together.”…..

That might prove a challenge. Maybe though, once Colin has got all these court cases done & dusted, he might be able to give the First Nappy Changer a few pointers. 🙂
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September 23, 2018 7:14pm
- Nostradamus
  
  And this one Nasska:
  
  Encouraging you to be a support and helper of my wife Helen. This is actually a lot to ask – I realize that.
  
  One interpretation (if you’re Helen Craig) is that she’s a high-maintenance wife. Which brings up another thought: does Colin Craig issue six-point “action plans” to his wife?
  
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  September 23, 2018 7:18pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12975/killing-free-speech

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is trying to curb your freedom of speech .

“The OIC’s media strategy encourages “accurate and factual portrayal of Islam. Emphasis should be directed at avoidance of any link or association of Islam with terrorism or the use of Islamophobic rhetoric… such as labeling criminal terrorists as ‘Islamic’ fascists, ‘Islamic’ extremists.”

That part of the strategy has already had much success across the Western world, where authorities and media do not want to label Muslim terrorists as Islamic, but routinely describe them as “mentally ill.”

The OICs highly ambitious plans to do away with freedom of speech go severely underreported in the West. Mainstream journalists do not appear to find it dangerous that their freedom of speech should be supervised by the OIC, while Western governments, far from offering any resistance, appear, perhaps for votes, to be cozily going along with everything.”

“The OIC was concrete in its demands to the West. In a statement delivered at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, the OIC Secretary General called for Europe to “Prosecute and punish for racial discrimination… through the framework of appropriate legislation” and also to “Strengthen existing legislation on discrimination and discriminatory and ‘unequal treatment’ adopted by EU council directives” – 1st OIC observatory report on Islamophobia (May 2007 to May 2008) p 30. (sections 4.5.7 and 4.5.8)

“The OICs highly ambitious plans to do away with freedom of speech go severely underreported in the West. Mainstream Western journalists do not appear to find it dangerous that their freedom of speech should be supervised by the OIC, while Western governments, far from offering any resistance, appear, perhaps for votes, to be cozily going along with everything.”

Many similarities in above article with the NZHRC’s ‘submission’ / review to the UNHRC seeking another look at our Section 61 and the possibility of some additional ‘augmentations’ i.e. disharmonious speech (blasphemy laws) offeing protection to ‘minority’ religions.(religions that pose as a cringing minority, deserving of our protection) Islam is specified in the NZHRC ‘submission’.
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September 23, 2018 7:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randell,
  
  “.. do not want to label Muslim terrorists as Islamic. ” ?
  
  “Mulsim “or “Islamic” ??
  
  DUH!
  
  How Anti-Muslim Propaganda Travels From Europe To North America To Trump’s Twitter Account
  Websites that translate sensationalized European news reports into English are helping spread anti-Muslim attitudes in the US.
  
  https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ishmaeldaro/anti-muslim-anti-immigrant-news-europe-to-america
  
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  September 23, 2018 7:56pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Websites that translate sensationalized European news reports into English are helping spread anti-Muslim attitudes in the US.”….
    
    The websites are superfluous stephieboy. The arrogant, workshy, rapey, misogynist Islamists ensure anti-Muslim attitudes by their own actions.
    
    They don’t need any help.
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:08pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      I just googled “sexual emergency” as an experiment. The first 5 results:
      
      – Man who raped child in swimming pool because it was ‘a sexual emergency’ has jail sentence increased on appeal [Iraqi taxi driver in Austria]
      
      – Urban Dictionary: sexual emergency
      
      – Man Who Raped 10-Year-Old Due To “Sexual Emergency” Has Conviction Overturned
      
      – Migrant who admitted raping a 10-year-old boy at an Austrian swimming pool because of a ‘sexual emergency’ has his sentence cut and will soon be free
      
      – Iraqi refugee who raped a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool in a ‘sexual emergency’ has his conviction overturned because the Austrian court ‘didn’t prove he realised the boy was saying no’
      
      The fact that “sexual emergency” has made it into the Urban Dictionary (which Stephieboy has quoted from here at Kiwiblog) sums up the situation.
      
      When a Muslim refugee has to have sex with children in Europe or US because they haven’t had sex in 4 months, but doesn’t realize it’s wrong because of the language barrier they don’t know what “No” and “Stop” means. Has been used In Austria and other Western countries where Muslims refugees have raped 10 year old boys at public pools and girls in German streets. These Muslims were acquitted from rape charges because they were having a “sexual emergency”
      
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      September 23, 2018 8:18pm
      - Morrissey
        
        When you were “experimentally” googling that titillating phrase, did the names “John Key” or “Brent Kavanaugh” or “Bill O’Reilly” or “Prince Harry” come up perchance?
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:29pm
      - nasska
        
        The Islamists are sick units.
        
        What, however, is equally sick is our Western “justice” system with its touchy-feely understanding.
        
        Children are a nation’s future & treasure yet our fucked up system accords them collateral damage status in order to appease scum.
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:31pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Morrissey:
        
        When you were “experimentally” googling that titillating phrase, did the names “John Key” or “Brent Kavanaugh” or “Bill O’Reilly” or “Prince Harry” come up perchance?
        
        No, but when I searched for “gropers” and “morrissey”, I came across Morrissey Says He Was Groped at San Francisco International Airport. That wasn’t you?
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        Morrissey, what triggered your obsession with world gropers? How did you get hooked?
        
        It’s all a bit fishy. The relative scale seems to have overwhelmed you, Morrissey.
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:39pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Nostradamus, that was just mean.
        
        Jack: thanks for the psychological insights. I need to get a grip.
        
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        September 23, 2018 8:50pm
UpandComer

Go and read the touching final chapters of the last battle in the Narnia. I wish Clive Lewis were alive to see what is to come. We are the luckiest generation. The changes we are going to see in our explicate order defy description and even fantasy.
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September 23, 2018 8:25pm
Jack5

Interesting book out on Vietnam by Max Hastings: Vietnam: An Epic Tragedy 1945-1975, published by William Collins

This is an extract from the Guardian review:

“The thread that runs through the book is Hastings’s effort to exonerate the US military, arguing that they had a better war than most other authors admit, and certainly than the western media reported at the time. While he produces plenty of evidence that their South Vietnamese allies often dropped their guns and ran, the Americans fought doggedly and at great personal cost, and made more advances than retreats, he claims. As further proof of relative success he cites the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese army’s huge casualty figures, which were concealed at the time. Until the final victory in 1975 every offensive was thwarted and in almost every case the North’s losses dwarfed those on the US and South Vietnamese side.”

The full review:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/22/vietnam-epic-tragedy-max-hastings-review
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September 23, 2018 8:34pm
- Morrissey
  
  Back when he edited that pisspoor rag the Torygraph, that prick Max Hastings bore the nickname “Hitler”.
  
  So no surprise to see him endorsing the genocidal war on Indochina.
  
  There are far more interesting and better informed people on the rape of Vietnam. Ngo Vinh Long for instance…
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guPlS0___ww
  
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  September 23, 2018 8:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    Morrissey, what a totalitarian Lefty you are. No sympathy at all for the scores of thousands of South Vietnamese who risked drowning, murder, rape, slavery as they fled in tiny boats from the communists.
    
    Get a ~~grope~~ grip, Morrissey.
    
    Jeez, I notice the person you link to appears on Youtube with that hypocrite and con., Noam Chomsky. You know Chomsky was financed in his linguistic work by the United States military establilshment?
    
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    September 23, 2018 8:51pm
Jack5

In line with Morrissey’s Leftism, we note that the “shame the whities” mob have got their hooks into Scotland.

They are demanding reparations for alleged profits from industries abroad, owned by Scots and which used slave labour.

No wonder that extremist parties like Alternative for Germany (Afd) are springing up in Western countries. Pacifists and placard wavers will be no obstacle to these new extremists. So who’s gonna keep them in check?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6198111/Scotlands-black-professor-calls-amends-report-University-benefited-slavery.html
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September 23, 2018 9:50pm
DigNap15

Just saw that evil Green MP on Q&A
Saying that most NZers want to help more refugees.
Saying that because Europe has let millions in and they are integrating that we should do more!

The only refuges I would help are Syrian Christians and white South Africans!
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September 23, 2018 11:26pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND: Will Australian property repeat the Irish crash? … Digital Finance Analytics / Macrobusiness Australia

Will Australian property repeat the Irish crash? … Digital Finance Analytics / Macrobusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/will-australian-property-repeat-irish-crash/

… Pavletich comment on thread …
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/will-australian-property-repeat-irish-crash/#comment-3190179

… CONSIDERING THE 2007 IRISH EXPERIENCE …THE MASSIVE RISKS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH … CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND RESEARCH …

The unweighted average median multiples of its metros in 2007 was 4.7, which crashed to 2.8 in subsequent years … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro … about $NZ109 billion.

Currently the average Median Multiples for the Australian and New Zealand metros overall are about 5.9 and 5.8 respectively … refer …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm

Research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high lending multipoles was the greatest problem (more so than loan to value ratios) … and subsequently imposed a general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household income. A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times annual household income …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
… access extensive background research via link …

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures

A helpful television discussion about the 2007 Irish experience …

Prof. Bill Black & Vincent Brown – Ireland’s Bank Guarantee … Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
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September 24, 2018 4:16am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  UPDATE … AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND: Will Australian property repeat the Irish crash? … Digital Finance Analytics / Macrobusiness Australia
  
  Why are the Aussies clueless about the structural differences of, for example, the normal Texas housing markets and the abnormal California one ?
  
  Exposing Australia’s housing crisis | 60 Minutes Australia … h/t GF …
  
  Part 1
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smPR0s2W-Ck&feature=youtu.be
  
  Part 2
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFvwYVfwq0
  
  Back early 2010, I wrote about the critically important differences of the strangled California housing market and the open and normal Texas one.
  
  For housing bubbles to form, scarcity or perceived scarcity is essential … finance (in all its forms … equity … bubble equity … debt) is just the fuel.
  
  Remarkably … the Australian 60 Minutes team appears to be unaware of these ‘basics’ … read on …
  
  Housing Bubbles: Jumbo Mortgages = Jumbo Problems … Hugh Pavletich … Scoop New Zealand News
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1003/S00019.htm
  
  Why is the Australian 60 Minutes team ignorant of normal Texas housing markets … such as Texas (check out the Annual Demographia Surveys) ?
  
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  September 24, 2018 11:41am
Hugh Pavletich

Andrew Bydder: Housing crisis is all about land and how councils regulate it | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/106901970/is-it-a-housing-or-a-land-crisis

OPINION: Which is worth more: a million-dollar section with a $100,000 house or just a million-dollar section?

The answer is the million-dollar section and the reason is capitalisation.

Anyone buying the section wants to put a big flash house on it, not a small, simple one. A $100,000 house isn’t going to cut it, so the buyer will have to spend $10,000 demolishing it before building their dream home. The section was undercapitalised…. Read more via hyperlink above …
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September 24, 2018 1:28pm
Rachael Membery

NZ Serial killer dead in prison.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12130751
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