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September 22, 2018 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 22 September 2018

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duggledog

Enjoy your time in the spotlight overseas Jacinda, and bask in the glory of a fawning media.

While it’s going to be lovely for her and the Labour Led Coalition, I am afraid it is going to translate into nothing more than warm fuzzies for selected deranged Kiwis.

Behind closed doors, the global political elite (especially in the UN) will already be intimately acquainted with her appallingly low calibre – even as they shake her hand, smile warmly and engage in polite conversation. They will have seen the edited highlights.

I believe that where it actually counts, Jacinda will be the Hayley Holt of international politics. Nothing more.
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September 22, 2018 8:00am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  yes, why listen seriously to the accidental leader of a country with the population of Alabama.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:04am
  - BlueGriffon
    
    And that is what grates with me. This women has made no effort whatsoever, lost twice to Nicki Kaye, handed Mt Albert, then picked by Winston.
    Some of us ladies have to put in huge effort and make sacrifices to get where we are. She has had to do none of it, seems to just be handed to her on a plate. She couldn’t even give up some time to learn Maori. As one female to another, she is a vacuous air head and doesn’t deserve to be our prime minister.
    
    Yes, I’m getting bitter over this!! I think the column by Tracy Watkins on Stuffed has sent me over the edge. NOT linking it!
    
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    September 22, 2018 8:10am
    - Muttonbird
      
      It’s great to see you in such distress. Means the country is going in the right direction!
      
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      September 22, 2018 11:17am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Absolutely in the “Right” direction. Twat
        
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        September 22, 2018 1:41pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I’m with you BG.
      She’s on half a mil with accommodation and expenses thrown in, carts her partner and child to work with her and is touted as a trailblazer for women all over the world. Is she heck.
      She’s the poster girl for virtue signalling – all hui, no doo-ey.
      Has she a shred of understanding for women who are expected to bust down boardroom doors while juggling childcare at their own expense?
      This shower of numpties will consider granting ‘new fur-baby leave’ to someone who chooses to get a new dog, but expects a woman’s five days sick leave to cover herself and three kids.
      When Ardern announced her pregnancy we were assured that the partner would be the primary caregiver for the baby, while she returned to work – business as usual. But Ardern hasn’t done that, has she?
      Few employers, and I suspect few women themselves, would tolerate having a non-employee in the ‘engine room’ of a company raising all manner of confidentiality issues, as well as having a baby on the premises creating a distraction for the woman and other employees.
      It’s also outrageously sexist. Will Chris Hipkins domicile his partner and new baby in his office so he can bond with and feed his child?
      Where will this end?
      And when?
      
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      September 22, 2018 4:08pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  As good as Hayley Holt! You really rate our Cindy!
  
  I had her intectually more at the Anika Moa level of stupid with less visible tats and more teeth
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:13am
AgainstTheFlow

Terrible decision yesterday in the Napier District Court when Russell Norman and his accomplice got a discharge without conviction for interfering with a ship.

The judge considered a $150,000 cost to the company was of low gravity and a conviction might affect the accomplice’s work visa.

I think NZ judges hold the opinion that because a company is not a human, it cannot be harmed and is therefore fair game for protesters and interference. Any harm done to a company is not serious.
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September 22, 2018 8:00am
- peterwn
  
  I wonder whether the lawyer exerted pressure to keep no nonsense Judge Tony Adeane off the case.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:09am
- G152
  
  Next time the Master should just proceed on his course.
  And Norman can sort it out with the props as he goes under !
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:09am
- NewInoffensiveName
  
  The company should pursue Norman in civil court.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:29am
- KevOB
  
  The Crown should appeal the sentence.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:06am
- septic skeptic
  
  I think it is totally wrong for a judge to take into consideration potential effects of a conviction. For example:
  
  Might ruin a promising rugby career? The NZRFU is entitled to know that Mr X who wants a contract was convicted of whatever. It is then their prerogative to determine whether that should preclude him playing professional rugby. Likewise with overseas travel and work visas.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:12am
- hullkiwi
  
  That assumption by the judge is wrong. There are always groups that bare the cost in the end. Usually taxpayers and consumers, i.e. us!
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:13am
- Jazzby
  
  Every time a judge such as this lets off an offender without a conviction, the rest of us are, in effect, being sent a signal that we’re mugs to obey the law.
  This increasingly common, and misplaced, leniency is gradually eroding not only the public’s trust in the legal system, but also the unwritten rules which govern responsible social behaviour.
  And then we wonder why there’s so much petty crime about: if people think that they can cut corners and get away with it, they will.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:43am
- Viking2
  
  Unless of course you offend Mobie or the IRD and then its take you to the cleaners time.
  
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  September 22, 2018 6:41pm
Keeping Stock

Duncan Garner has given the Labour Party a journalistic uppercut for trading away their name in the coalition. Once again, thanks to MMP, the tail is wagging the dog.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/107282676/the-sorry-day-the-labour-party-gave-itself-an-uppercut?cid=app-android
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September 22, 2018 8:03am
- gorse
  
  Yes, but whaleoil is getting stuck into National.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yawn, same old same old then.
    
    If it wasn’t for the kitten videos, I would not bother.
    
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    September 22, 2018 8:25am
  - oldpark
    
    @gorse
    Yes it really is a pity that the clown WO is such a dick. Of course he is the guy who once put the boot into Winston Peters and called him the unemployed pensioner from St Mary’s Bay Auckland. Rumour has it he got a wake up call to desist or else,on calling Peters an unemployed Pensioner. Now WO has turned into a Peters arse licker. Go figure.
    
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    September 22, 2018 8:29am
    - tas
      
      Whenever you’re tempted to take WhaleOil seriously, repeat:
      
      Cam Slater endorsed NZ First and said Winston would pick National.
      
      Cam Slater endorsed NZ First and said Winston would pick National.
      
      Cam Slater endorsed NZ First and said Winston would pick National.
      
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      September 22, 2018 9:30am
      - Wangas Feral
        
        So did everyone else including most of those who voted for him.
        
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        September 22, 2018 9:45am
    - holysheet
      
      Koha has that effect, didn’t you know…
      
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      September 22, 2018 9:31am
    - artemisia
      
      VicParking
      
      He has to sell meat and tee shirts to get by.
      
      I have no idea how his side gigs are going. But he has a ready made audience plenty of entrepreneurs would kill for.
      
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      September 22, 2018 11:18am
  - brett68
    
    Apart from a handful of people no one reads whale oil.
    
    The guy is a nobody.
    
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    September 22, 2018 8:33am
    - Nukuleka
      
      I disagree. Although he most certainly has a few personality issues and he obviously is cantankerous Slater has interesting and though-provoking posts, his wife often makes thoughtful and considered contributions and there are plenty of stimulating videos. We all know his opinions often miss the mark and he is currently in an anti National black dog mood. But to suggest that only a ‘handful’ of people read the WO blog is clearly ridiculous. I doubt very much that traffic numbers would substantiate this claim!
      
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      September 22, 2018 8:51am
      - brett68
        
        No he doesn’t, he takes MSM articles and adds a sentence or two.
        I can’t even remember the last time he put up some original work.
        
        As for traffic numbers, he’s a yesterdays man, they’d be a fraction of what they were 5 years ago, the markets changed, you’ve got twitter, facebook, the spin off, news room, he’s also been ghosted by the MSM.
        
        He’s never mentioned anywhere, except on blogs like this and never in a very positive way.
        
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        September 22, 2018 9:10am
      - artemisia
        
        Several good and regular WO post contributors now. Like Christie for example on financial issues. And on plastic bags – this subject gets a lot of comments.
        
        WO is diversifying into audio and now meat sales, certified non halal. There is a market for non halal meat I am sure.
        
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        September 22, 2018 9:24am
      - VicParking
        
        He has to sell meat and tee shirts to get by.
        
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        September 22, 2018 10:48am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        There was a time when that was correct.
        There was a time when WO was a much read must read but I think Jessie Ryder must have thumped him a bit hard because Slater has lost it since.
        The petulant ‘National picked on my daddy so I hate Bill English’ bullshit is well ott. Couple that with his sources drying up after his emails were hacked and the blog lacks just about every reason to log in. Exception being SBS writings about education which are first rate.
        
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        September 22, 2018 2:14pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    No one with a brain takes WO seriously any longer. I used to be an ardent fan, but his anti – Bill, anti-catholic rhetoric became tiresome. The last straw was doing a 180Degrees and supporting Winston. Remember the good old days of “Winston Raymond Peters, Unemployed of St Mary’s Bay”?.
    
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/tag/winston-raymond-peters/
    
    A salient quote to remind our readers
    
    Well colour me annoyed. This short-arsed, mendacious, thieving, lying, philandering, prick still hasn’t paid us back the last $158,000 he nicked from the taxpayers of New Zealand.
    
    He should be black-listed by the media until he starts fronting with our cash.
    
    Every time he gets on a podium the first question asked of Winston Raymond Peters, 65, pensioner of Helensville is “Where’s our Cash?”
    
    Cameron, if you read this, remember archives are, well , forever….
    
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    September 22, 2018 8:44am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I too was a fan….WAS.
      He lost it for me, just after the “dirty politics” thingy.
      Where his EMails were hacked and Hagar the horrible, didn’t get jail for receiving stolen property.
      His inside info seemed to dry up, lost his sources, this seemed to make him bitter. He turned from fairly balanced (slightly righty National leaning) to anti anything National did, but couldn’t support Labour’s stupidity so leaned toward NZF.
      He also took everything personally, I was banned for suggesting that teaching had become the best part time job in the country, isn’t/wasn’t his Mrs a teacher?
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:10am
      - Paulus
        
        I got knocked off WO by one of his one time boys a few years ago – I have no idea why !
        Very occasionally go back and see it is his wife who has the brains, when I get bored elsewhere.
        
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        September 22, 2018 1:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    Who reads WO these days? He’s centre of his own molasses filled whirpool.
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:12am
  - lifesgood
    
    WO is bitter Judith Collins didn’t get leader and he encouraged everyone to vote for Winston to teach National a lesson. That was absolute stupidity and everyone who voted for Winston deserves everything we are getting and more. WO must take some responsibility for the clusterf**k of a government we have been left with.
    
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    September 22, 2018 12:29pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But gorse WO has lucked an attack the old drunk made on Simon Bridges from a debate where the rule are different. Others see it and say What? Why such an attack? It would seem ahead of all his problems in the COL it is a threat gathering momentum from Simon Bridges that gets most of his attention. Perhaps he is struggling to maintain his remaining credibility after rolling over on demand for the refugee issue? Obviously that is what prompted the silly little girl to waste $100,000 plus to rush to Nauru where she failed to get the photo op with then but instead got a song. It left her in panic mode for some “good” news to take to the UN having to pay big to get the old drunk onside. The cost of that is yet to be revealed. Watch this space.
    
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    September 22, 2018 6:29pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup just read it. Ouch.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:38am
- KevOB
  
  More significantly Garner’s very negative view has been given headline space.
  The MSM must be expecting to make copy by exploiting the split between Labour and NZF.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:10am
- rightoverlabour
  
  The best part of this are the comments below. I do believe the country is waking up to the “cuntery” on display by the Winston Led Government and Silly Little Cindy…
  
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  September 22, 2018 11:39am
calendar girl

Here’s someone whom Ardern must meet during her visit to the United Nations – a fellow-leftie who also thinks nothing of exorbitant travel costs for himself personally: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45604408 .

This one is special, though – he’s heads up UN Environment, the UN body that
“leads on sustainability and green issues”, protecting us all from the evil of global warming. He’s also a former Environment Minister of Norway.
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September 22, 2018 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  From the article:
  
  A draft internal audit, obtained by the Guardian and seen by the BBC, says that Erik Solheim’s actions risked the reputation of UN Environment.
  
  The report says he incurred costs of $488,518 (£373,557) while travelling for 529 out of 668 days.
  :::
  Mr Solheim says he has paid back the money where “instances of oversight” occurred.
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  Across UN Environment, around $58m was spent on travel in the two years up to 2018. OIOS points out that the amount of money UN Environment spends on travel essentially doubled over the three years between 2014 and 2017.
  
  “actions risked the reputation”???
  
  I’d say his actions confirm the reputation of the division in particular, and of the UN in general: power-hungry, corrupt, devout authoritarians, and lavish spenders of my money
  
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  September 22, 2018 2:01pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

Millionaire Craig Heatley rates Jacinda Ardern at book launch shared with John Key

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107284044/millionaire-heatley-rates-ardern-at-book-launch-shared-with-key
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September 22, 2018 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  Oh the lefties are crowing their hate of ‘rich bastards’ in comments. Sad losers.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    That could be the the 2019 slogan: ‘They dont like you either, they hate us more’
    
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    September 22, 2018 8:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    Stuff, through it’s control by the moderators, shows a disturbingly strong tilt to the left in an attempt to distort public opinion. Most non left thinking commentators are either blocked or banned.
    
    Since the election the left, although they won with Winston’s help, have shown a level of hatred and intolerance that would offend their founding politicians.
    
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    September 22, 2018 5:19pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Headline sounds like it is high.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:28am
- Harkman
  
  Ha, he doesn’t rate her at all. Wow what a put down. Burned.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:38am
artemisia

Is it likely that National and New Conservatives are talking turkey about a future coalition partnership? Even an electorate arrangement? Concessions on each side no doubt but provided the NCs are not wacky it would work for both parties.
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September 22, 2018 8:05am
- Nukuleka
  
  Each time I read what Elliot Ikilei of the New Conservatives writes and watch him online I am more and more impressed by the candour, good humour and sincerity of this man who is unafraid to say what he thinks. Simon Bridges could learn from someone like this man who doesn’t try to to be all things to all people.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:59am
AgainstTheFlow

So much for the Labour-led Government’s claims that the new Crown/Māori Relations Roopῡ would just be a re-deployment of the public servants currently working in various departments.

Multiple job opportunities are available here: https://nz.jora.com/job/Analyst-eb68fc3f3437506df75f45e969005d66?alert_id=73e09dcf-448d-4257-a27e-4da7941f3a54&qd=eyJxIjoiUGFybGlhbWVudGFyeSBTZXJ2aWNlIiwibCI6IldlbGxpbmd0b24sIE5vcnRoIElzbGFuZCIsImxpZCI6Imdlb25hbWVpZDoyMTc5NTM3In0&sp=alert&sponsored=false&sr=3&alid=wMzydM9Rrp84p9i9sqxY&hu=1&recommended_only=false&utm_campaign=job_alerts&utm_medium=email&utm_source=jobseeker_emails
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September 22, 2018 8:07am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The jobs have already gone. On current form, these advertisments are just window dressing
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:19am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Ha.
    Wasn’t suggesting any KiwiBlog reader apply!
    
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    September 22, 2018 8:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t think Kelvin has my gmail address.
      
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      September 22, 2018 9:07am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Trying to keep unemployment numbers from falling, due to private sector lay offs? Because of poor economy?
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:16am
- backster
  
  Do you need to be able to read and write?
  
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  September 22, 2018 2:46pm
Sofia

Winston displays an utter lack of self-awareness
The “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own?” thing –

Hansard, Wednesday, 19 September 2018
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (NZ First): … Twenty-two days later, we still are no wiser … 22 days to try and find out what other people know: namely, who leaked on Mr Bridges. Now, there are members over there that should be very nervous. I won’t look at them, because if I do, or look where they should be, then the suspicion will be cast on them without us getting the reward of disclosure. We are famous for disclosure, especially when it comes to the National Party’s sins.

Winston Peters admits being overpaid superannuation – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912184
27 August, 2017

Today is 391 days since Winston announced his own personal superannuation details, after someone suggested there may be some sort of problem.

And in regard to that, isn’t Winston still suing someone $1.8 million for damages?

Winston’s immediate Wellington to Auckland trip to correct an overpayment with 24 hours of being notified, had the department acknowledge, in a letter, their gratitude for his prompt and proper response, and the incident was done and dusted history before the media were ever made aware of it.

In comparison to Metiria’s amoral self-confessed welfare fraud mess, Winston was the epitome of an excellently responsible welfare recipient, where an overpayment had occurred and was not the recipient’s mistake.

So, in the Election run-up how was knowledge of Winston’s “personal details” – no more detailed than in his own comments to media – in any way not an advantage, let alone damaging?

Obviously, it was totally against National’s interests that voters know of Winston’s exemplary behaviour, and especially to break an item of such inherent interest on the weekend of their National Conference, would have been totally non-productive for them.

To sue for damages, do you not need to be damaged?

The sourness attached to this mistake is surely Winston’s own scattered accusations and witch-hunt for a leaker, his own obsessive distraction during the Election campaign, playing the victim card ad nauseam, and now a pursuit for legal utu launched with papers lodged on the Eve of the last Election.
Any damage in this matter would seem self-inflicted.
And, 391 days later, still is.
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September 22, 2018 8:08am
- igm
  
  When are taxpayers young to see some progress in the case of Turei?
  I have heard there has been a trade-off . . . maybe Little thinks she is one of the types that should not be penalised.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:38am
  - GazzaW
    
    You can bet your bottom dollar that Turei’s case was an unwritten part of the Confidence & Supply agreement. Ardern would have signed a deal with the devil to get the Greens’ support and anyway such a minor concession was nothing compared to her arrangements with Peters. Turei will never see the inside of a courtroom and I wonder what the deal is on repaying our money.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:41am
  - backster
    
    30% discount for having some Maori blood. (isnt she lucky?)
    
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    September 22, 2018 2:51pm
- KevOB
  
  Filing a law suit can have the effect of sneakily preventing inquiries and halting inquisitive action. It doesn’t need to proceed much past filing to be useful. Is this one of Winston weapons?
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:20am
duggledog

Chuck

I rate my lawyer.

But he’s still a lawyer
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September 22, 2018 8:10am
- Paulus
  
  He may technically be a Lawyer having been to University with a Degree – but so does Ardern, but does not have a Practicing Certificate.
  Turei was/is a Lawyer with the same proviso.
  She would never get a Certificate as she is an unconvicted thief.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:38am
  - peterwn
    
    Things are more complex than that. I think Turei (assuming she meets qualifications for a practicing certificate) would be issued one, especially if she paid back any benefit overpayments. Same goes for Winston. Even if a lawyer or potential lawyer has transgressed, time will heal the transgression and a practicing certificate may be issued, possibly via a High Court application.
    There is one case where a qualified person has consistently been unable to get a practicing certificate. Trouble is he consistently opens his mouth too wide and cannot keep his hands to himself.
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:22am
    - alwyn
      
      It might be possible for Peters or Turei to get a practising certificate but they certainly don’t have them now.
      Wouldn’t it be a criminal offence for either of them to actually claim they are lawyers?
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Difference between rats and lawyers?
  There are some things, even rats won’t do.
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:18am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Q: What would happen if laid every lawyer head to toe, across the Pacific ocean?
  A: They’d hopefully drown.
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:20am
  - alwyn
    
    Ah, Happy days.
    You remind me of Tom Paxton’s great song.
    “One million lawyers and other disasters”.
    http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Tom_Paxton:One_Million_Lawyers
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:39am
oldpark

Surely not a good look .A NZ unmarried mother selected as a PM of NZ and her boyfriend both transporting a three month old infant thousands of kilometres in an Aircraft half way around the World.
Anyone else attempting such a debacle could be suspects for child cruelty.
Its all about her and her boyfriend big noting at the UN. Surely the trip could have waited until the child at least was a bit older. To reiterate ,certainly not a good look for most caring NZ parents.
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September 22, 2018 8:10am
- pdm
  
  Taxpayers have to pay for a nanny at the other end. Why???
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:18am
  - Paulus
    
    No – Helen is there waiting for her as her advisor having been in New York for a couple of weeks.
    She tried to go to her old Department but understand got turned away as they have no authority to let her into the building.
    Must have pissed her off to think that she is a nobody – watch out New Zealand.
    
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    September 22, 2018 8:41am
    - softail 1450
      
      Paulus, you can just imagine her old colleagues seeing her approaching the building and screaming
      ” Fuuuuck close and lock all the doors that old witch from NZ is trying to enter the building”.
      When she was running for the top job at the U N she was asked by the panel “what is the most important thing you have to do to get the U N’s top job”
      to which she answered “you have to learn to love yourself ” the snickering and open laughing at that answer was heard all over the interview room, she is the most overrated female in world politics…
      Sadly she failed in her quest for the top job because she under performed in the previous job, and now we are stuck with the P O S lecturing us all again.
      
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      September 22, 2018 9:13am
  - itstricky
    
    Taxpayers have to pay for a nanny at the other end. Why???
    
    Clarke is paying for himself. The question is more like Why??? do we care? Unless you’ve an irrational fear of nannies?
    
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    September 22, 2018 11:58am
    - krazykiwi
      
      What is the cost of a seat on a private charter jet half way around the world?
      
      Will Clarke let us know, and furnish the taxpayer with evidence of his settlement of that amount, together with his share of New York expenses expenses?
      
      If not, why not?
      
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      September 22, 2018 2:07pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I do enjoy good concern trolling.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:20am
  - GazzaW
    
    Might I suggest MnM that it’s a bit rich for you to call out others as trolls on this site.
    
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    September 22, 2018 12:00pm
- Paulus
  
  She may not have much longer to do this when the polls change.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:39am
- Cunningham
  
  Child cruelty? I think Ardern is a terrible PM but that’s a pretty ridiculous statement
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:54am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    As mentioned above, it’s concern trolling. oldpark doesn’t care about the baby, of course, she is just another vehicle for him to express bitter hatred and contempt.
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:30am
    - srylands
      
      Whatever concern trolling means.
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:06am
  - srylands
    
    Yes I agree. If you have money and help and can fly business class, it is perfectly fine on the baby. Although some business class passengers may not be so in love with a crying baby.
    
    When I was a baby I was chucked in the back of the Holden while my father filled it with cigarette smoke.
    
    I would advise some perspective. Accusing the Prime Minister of neglect by taking her baby on a plane is absurd.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:05am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      It is terribly hard on a very young baby’s ears to have to deal with pressure changes in the cabin. They don’t know to swallow to try to unblock them and it is very painful. Hence screaming babies on planes.
      
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      September 22, 2018 9:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  oldpark , lay a complaint at your local police station with constable Plod. Nobody outside the rabid right KB bubble chamber cares!
  
  Neither would our constabulary!
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:05am
  - oldpark
    
    @stephieboy.
    yes i will lay a complaint about you’re pedophile mate Mohammed getting involved with six year old wee girl .Then having the gall to marry her at Nine years of age. Wonder how the police would investigate a crime like that.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:24am
    - G152
      
      He married the girl when she was 6 and had his way with her when she was 9…
      
      Nice religion that one
      
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      September 22, 2018 12:42pm
- itstricky
  
  Infants travel on long haul flights every other day.
  
  You might want to try to hide your teeth barring contempt next time by surpressing your urge to write ‘unmarried mother’, which is also quite normal in this day and age. Just a tip.
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:58am
  - lifesgood
    
    Unmarried mother “normal” really?
    
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    September 22, 2018 12:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, pretty much so in many countries
      
      https://www.oecd.org/els/family/SF_2_4_Share_births_outside_marriage.pdf
      
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      September 22, 2018 5:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s also normal for that status to feature heavily in the crime stats.
    
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    September 22, 2018 5:30pm
Inandout

Like all horses have August 1st birthdays, these 200,000 migrants to Germany have January 1st as their birthday. With horses though it has nothing to do with lack of identity.

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/09/21/over-200000-undocumented-migrants-germany-share-same-birthday/
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September 22, 2018 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  AfD got that information out of the gubmint. Doing what an opposition should do.
  
  As someone commented , they crossed into Europe without documents , but they all had their iphones.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:14am
softail 1450

Please someone tell me that the massively entitled Arderne clan aren’t taking the airforce jet to New York at the cost of 100’s of thousands of dollars so bubba won’t have to miss out on it’s tit sessions.
That would be disgraceful when our own world class airline flies there every day FFS.
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September 22, 2018 8:18am
- Inandout
  
  But Cindy, Neve and Clarke are amazeballs!
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:20am
Steve (North Shore)

Can some explain how many planes are going to New York and when they leave? Or have they left?
Conflicting info. Some say yesterday, some say today, some say Sunday
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September 22, 2018 8:18am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Im just pleased she has gone.
  
  Who is the head seat warmer while she is away?
  
  Not that it matters, the level of inepitude and incompetence does not vary that much.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:24am
  - kevn
    
    @Paulus… I’m guessing the NZF jester will continue to amuse himself.
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:02am
    - sooty
      
      Now there’s a wicked thought!
      How do you think he amuses himself?
      
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      September 22, 2018 12:49pm
kevn

@oldpark…. JA is having her main course (PM role) and dessert (baby) all on the same plate, at once.
Can be done but not ideal.
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September 22, 2018 8:18am
BeaB

The Herald is still taking potshots at John Key. Someone tell Braunias and the cartoonists the government has changed.
Much more humour to be found in our woman PM celebrating 125 years of women’s suffrage by sacking two Labour women cabinet ministers – leaving her with only 4!
She has lost a third of them!
Kate Sheppard – thou shouldst be living at this hour.
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September 22, 2018 8:37am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Kate Sheppard could be rolling in her grave. She fought for the rights of women, and this country has been the beneficiary of 2 women PMs who were great operators in their own style.
  
  Clark, regardless of what you might think of her politics, was a great operator.
  
  Shipley, while never elected, proved to be a shrewd operator, being able to sideline Winston, and retain the ability to govern. Her reputation as “The Perfumed Steamroller” was deserved.
  
  Ardern is a lightweight compared to these 2.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:55am
  - Jack5
    
    Overrated Shipley is now a pawn of Beijing, sitting on the NZ board of one of its banks.
    
    Meanwhile she’s being pursued by liquidators over the collapse of Mainzeal, of which she was a director.
    
    Perfumed Steamroller? C’mon, she’s the one being steamrolled.
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:11am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      If we were to take all of this as fact, she would still be more capable than Ardern.
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:08am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Shipley undermined Bolger on the pretence that
    National needed to ‘get tough’ with Peters. When she found that didn’t work, she schemed to split his party and bribed NZ First MPs to jump the waka. Not surprisingly, her manoeuvres collapsed when put before the electorate. Bolger and Peters would easily have won the 1999 election but for Shipley’s ambition.
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:34am
holysheet

My best mate just died in front of us. He lost a lot of blood, paramedics working on him asked us his blood type, but we didn’t know it. He just kept telling us all to ‘be positive’ but its so hard now he’s gone, we just miss him so much.
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September 22, 2018 8:37am
- calendar girl
  
  Commiserations, holy. You’ll have other friends, but true ‘best mates’ are never replaced as part of you.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    Oh , negative.
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:10am
  - holysheet
    
    Thanks, but it’s so hard trying to “B Positive”
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:15am
  - lifesgood
    
    Joke…missed CG.
    
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    September 22, 2018 12:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s proof positive that B positive leads to a negative terminal.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:19am
VicParking

The failing newspaper has started crawling towards pay for view. The online version has added “Create an account to gain access to more features” link on the bottom of its articles. On clicking you are prompted to “Create my account” and provide them with name and email address. Step one in their Pay for View process which will make their online rendering go the same way as their Kitty Litter version.
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September 22, 2018 8:46am
- srylands
  
  Stuff and the New Zealand Herald would toast if they go that route.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:25am
- Viking2
  
  Kinda like going to Mega 10 and buying a dozen items, going to the checkout and being left to carry them to the car. Insulting but stupid as well.
  Its just easier to order stuff on line and one ain’t stuck with one store.
  Wait till a good NZ comparison site hits them.
  Fools and disrespectful to their customers.
  
  But then the Greenies run their business today. Fucking idiots.
  
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  September 22, 2018 7:04pm
greybeard

Good one.
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September 22, 2018 8:47am
slightlyrighty

The media fawning over Ardern is starting to wear thin.

By way of comparison, we should be looking at Justin Trudeau. When he was elected, there was mass media fawning in Canada and abroad. Now the polls are neck and neck, although his international profile is still high.

It is worth noting that he was elected with a majority and a 17% lead.

There is a huge backlash in Canada as the full effect of these so called liberal policies are taking effect.

Now in Arderns case, we still have the media fawning, both at home and abroad, aided by the birth of her first child. However, the Backlash has started in earnest as we start to discover that she does not have the ability to do the job.

It is worth noting that she is in Government having polled 7.5% LESS than the highest polling party, and has less goodwill than she might think. She has started on the back foot, and she’s going backwards.

At least Trudeau had a lead to play with.

We look at Canada, and apply this to NZ. What we are seeing is what many of us predicted when Winston anointed his chosen one.

A government that is ill prepared, lurching from one cockup to another, and pissing people off.
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September 22, 2018 8:48am
- JIV
  
  That may be the case, but it seems like 45% of voters will always vote left and 45% of voters will vote right. The 10% is where the fight is, and we need new blood to excite the voters.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:55am
  - DigNap15
    
    Now i’d say its more like 45% right and 40% Left and the rest swing.
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:14am
- Paulus
  
  Macron’s polls are also in a very steep dive from when he was elected.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:03am
  - holysheet
    
    Around the world the tide is turning. When your back is to the wall and you have no where else to go, you start to fight back.
    All this leftie shit has finally been revealed as the disaster it always was.
    
    You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
    Abraham Lincoln
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:10am
    - Jack5
      
      A good quotation, but is it a fake one?
      
      https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/12/11/cannot-fool/
      
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      September 22, 2018 9:14am
      - holysheet
        
        Who cares who said it. At least we can all agree the sentiment is correct.
        
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        September 22, 2018 9:18am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Abraham Lincoln also said that 85% of the quotes one reads on the internet are invented.
        
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        September 22, 2018 9:35am
      - stephieboy
        
        Holysheet, fooling some of the people…?? You would be a master of that.
        
        Correct?
        
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        September 22, 2018 10:09am
      - VicParking
        
        Moses didn’t hate the internet, he was a fan of tablets
        
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        September 22, 2018 10:59am
Inandout

How the horrible Hulun was made up for a photo shoot.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12124550
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September 22, 2018 8:51am
- holysheet
  
  Is she frankensteins sister?
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:05am
  - lifesgood
    
    Gross! Imagine having to get that close to the she devil.
    
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    September 22, 2018 12:46pm
    - sooty
      
      Imagine what it looks like first thing in the morning!
      
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      September 22, 2018 12:55pm
- RF
  
  Hellelujah Cindy has new boots……. there they are in the photo shoot.
  
  First fish must have sold some of his catch……
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:46am
  - sooty
    
    New Red Bands for the trip?
    
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    September 22, 2018 12:56pm
Niz

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/09/fraser-high-school-principal-s-truancy-rape-comments-spark-protest.html
Just what is so wrong about what she said?
I’ve read on this blog that on any given day, something like 50% of Maori students are truant. Whaddaya know, they also make up the largest group in our prisons, and by a long shot.
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September 22, 2018 9:13am
- DigNap15
  
  As I said yesterday that lady is a hero and she should be made head of the education department.
  She would kick Hipkins arse!
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just what is so wrong about what she said?
  
  She is basically saying that these kids from a low decile school have a chance of escaping from a life of limited prospects by turning up at school each day and grabbing the opportunities provided therein.
  
  Why is this a dangerous thing to say?
  a. it challenges the practices of some of the parents who have stuffed their own prospects and use their kids to provide some of the labour/baby-sitting/company in their daily lives
  
  b. It weakens the potential pool of clients for the State-sponsered ‘do-gooder brigades’.
  
  c. It threatens the ease with which kids from higher decile schools (middle-upper class families) have getting into Tertiary establishments or Jobs.
  (More competition from kids that know that a good education counts).
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:36am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Description of life re education in parable form.
    Your life is like a painting
    The bigger the painting the grander the life
    Qualifications are like the nail used to hang the painting.
    The bigger the nail
    The bigger the painting you can hang on the wall
    The education system is just the HAMMER we supply for you to drive the nail into the wall
    The bigger the hammer (the more you use the education system) and the harder you swing the bigger the nail and therefore the painting.
    The key word here…..Y O U….
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:36am
- KevOB
  
  For someone in the Principals position she is speaking nonsense. She speaks that rape and violence etc will happen as though it is an immediate expectation on exiting the school gate. I think she was trying to convey the message that people who have truanted may be contained within the class embraced by the violence statistics. She seems to have muddled cause and effect with vigour.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She is speaking in broad generalities.. I don’t think you have to delve down and consider whether her statement holds true in every possible case..
    
    Look, I’m working with kids who have been away from school for nearly 7 weeks this term… and that’s been a pattern in some kids lives… It doesn’t necessarily mean that a particular kid is going to a violence victim or end up in jail, but the odds are starting to be stacked against them from getting out of shit street.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:08am
    - KevOB
      
      Exactly. The silly principal seems to have said that bad things will happen if you go out the gate.
      
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      September 22, 2018 12:16pm
  - DigNap15
    
    All she needed to do was add the word “may” or “more likely”.
    
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    September 22, 2018 11:05am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Kids don’t understand that.
      ‘May and might’ happen to other people.
      The principal is sheeting home that any one or a number of these things will happen to them – their choices have outcomes.
      Kids are insulated from cold hard consequences far too much these days and anyone who wants more of that is part of the problem.
      Virginia Crawford is part of a solution.
      All power to her.
      
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      September 22, 2018 2:41pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not just Maori are truant, I was once truant.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:47am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I regularly stayed home in Winter in the 4th form on days when there was double Latin….
    I believe it was then that I fell into my Tea addiction.
    My step-ma and I would drink about 16 cups of Tea a day.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:14am
    - Jack5
      
      I remember wagging school to go to an afternoon session of “Rock Around the Clock”. When the music started in the movie the cinema erupted with kids jiving in the aisles and around seats.
      
      The management turned on the lights and a quarter of my school class was there, and heaps of guys and gals from other schools.
      
      When we quietened down the film resumed. But for us, the new age had begun.
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:47am
      - Jack5
        
        The beat’s still not bad:
        
        https://youtu.be/ZgdufzXvjqw
        
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        September 22, 2018 11:00am
    - VicParking
      
      I would go to school. Straight up to the Libary, pull up a comfy chair against the heater, the libarian would bring me a cup of tea and the paper. I would be logged in as attending school. The head science teacher came up during his spare periods and we played chess. The teachers did not mind as I disrupted the classes so much. The only down side was I had to sit UE as they would not credit me.
      
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      September 22, 2018 11:14am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Which school?
        
        (I had a similar arrangement for avoiding my numerous school detentions in the 6th form…
        I was too “busy” in the library or Chemistry lab to attend)
        
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        September 22, 2018 11:35am
      - VicParking
        
        Rotorua boys HS 63-67
        
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        September 22, 2018 1:59pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Double Latin?
      
      Yikes.
      
      My bugbear at School was Music.
      
      I called it ‘Glorified Noise.’
      
      Often…
      
      This pleased the Music Masters/Mistresses no end, ha, and I’d regularly be sent off to the Headmaster.
      
      He was a wise old soul – and also the coach of the First XV team I captained, ha – and eventually he just quietly arranged for me to have extra PE lessons whilst the noise-merchants did their noise-merchanting.
      
      I still hate Music…
      
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      September 22, 2018 1:49pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Me Too
    
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    September 22, 2018 11:05am
srylands

Question. If you received a phone call from someone asking you if you were free to travel to Tāmaki Makaurau to attend a business meeting, would you immediately say “I will check my diary” or would you say “pardon?”.

I went the second route, and when it was explained, was told that my response was “disappointing but not surprising”.

This is where we are heading.
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September 22, 2018 9:23am
- Woz
  
  Fuck ’em. Tell them their response is insulting and disrespectful.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:27am
- kowtow
  
  “Where’s that?”
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:40am
  - VicParking
    
    Somewhere just south of 1840
    
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    September 22, 2018 11:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It is very important that we continue to honour the important achievements of George Eden as First Lord of the Admiralty.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    indeed
    http://www.vipfaq.com/George%20Eden%201st%20Earl%20of%20Auckland.html
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:20am
  - stephieboy
    
    And his star sign is Virgo.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:26am
  - GazzaW
    
    You won’t be too concerned if we call you Mikaere from now on then MnM. Far more appropriate for you as a citizen of Aotearoa than the Hebrew name of Michael.
    
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    September 22, 2018 12:27pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Many subject…..Now it’s not substance (the meeting) that matters, but appearance (the way you were asked and replied).
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:39am
Jack5

Conservation Minister Eugenie Sage’s plan for a DOC-led slaughter of 17,000 tahr in the high Southern Alps may be blocked, at least temporarily.

Doubtless, this would be a bloody, helicopter borne massacre by cullers.

Hunters are upset. The Otago Daily Times reports that Gordon George, of the Tahr Foundation, said Ms Sage’s plan was not workable, DOC had not consulted on it, and it was clear Sage had a “different understanding of democracy to the rest of the country”.

We looked at the planned slaughter late last night in Kiwiblog general debate.

It may or may not be relevant that Sage’s domestic partner, Richard Suggate, is DOC’s “partnership development manager”:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/injunction-threat-over-tahr-cull

What are tahr? NZ’s were introduced from the Himalayas. They are attractive, small animals related to goat and sheep. In NZ they live high up in the Southern Alps and fit recreational hunters stalk them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himalayan_tahr
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September 22, 2018 9:31am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Are they as cute as possums? What other pest species do you want to preserve?
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:42am
  - Jack5
    
    Mmm, Milky, I could tell you pest species that deserve to be wiped out.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The tahr population got out of control last century – resulting in much vegetation damage to tussock lands and herbfields in upper catchments of the Southern Alps.
  
  There was a heavy cull of these animals in the 1980s.
  They’ve been breeding up since then.
  https://www.doc.govt.nz/globalassets/documents/conservation/threats-and-impacts/animal-pests/tahr/impact-of-himalayan-tahr-on-snow-tussocks-southern-alps-2014.pdf
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:55am
  - Jack5
    
    Maggy, sometimes I think conservationist types would be happiest with a full cull of all the two-legged animals that moved in over the last 1200 or so years.
    
    I like tahr. If I were dictator and NZ was wealthy, I would have the alps topdressed with tussock seed and fertiliser, and then I’d have ~~territorials~~ reservists train by stalking tahr in the high, high country.
    
    It’s one thing for recreational hunters to keep numbers down, another for a taxpayer-funded airborne slaughter.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The recreational hunters aren’t keeping the numbers down… that’s why a cull has been called for.
      
      DOC isn’t calling for the complete elimination of Tahr (which I would prefer… our mountain ecosystems haven’t evolved to cope with tahr, deer, chamois and hare).
      Skilled hunters will still have their sport with Tahr population kept around 10,000 animals.
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:44am
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy, what you surely mean is:” …our mountain ecosystems haven’t evolved to cope with ~~tahr, deer, chamois and hare~~ human beings.”
        
        If that is the case, don’t either: 1. the human beings have to go; or 2. the mountain ecosystems have to change?
        
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        September 22, 2018 10:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There’s not 60,000 humans grazing on tussocks, buttercups, mountain daisies and subalpine shrubs.
        
        The mountain ecosystems will change alright if Tahr numbers erupt … from tall tussocklands to short grasslands to open gravel fields… all within a couple of decades…
        
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        September 22, 2018 11:13am
      - Jack5
        
        Okay, Maggy, but I prefer getting recreational hunters up there.
        
        DOC have done fine work with kakapo and other indigenous birds, but I find them a bit over-zealous at times in other fields.
        
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        September 22, 2018 12:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        DOC have done fine work with kakapo and other indigenous birds,
        
        You reckon?
        
        I reckon any Chook breeder could have done 10 times better.
        
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        September 22, 2018 1:48pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    I once had a very tasty dinner of tahr in Queenstown. I think these extraneous tahrs should be processed and put out in the supermarket.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:04pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Short research:
  “The Himalayan tahr is a large even-toed ungulate native to the Himalayas in southern Tibet, northern Pakistan, northern India and Nepal. It is listed as Near Threatened on the IUCN Red List, as the population is declining due to hunting and habitat loss.”
  How about, instead of culling them.
  You actually do some work and approach the Tibetan, Pakistani, Indian and Nepalese govt.s, via our supposedly well qualified (in his own mind) Foreign minister and arrange a joint capture and relocation program with costs split 5 ways?
  Maybe you could get the UN to help.
  That would certainly count as an achievement.
  Because they are not achieving anything on any other level.
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:45am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Good idea
    We are pretty good at live capture using helicopters
    
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    September 22, 2018 11:06am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Similar solution to the so call “wilding pine” problem.
      Why not, instead of paying for people to cut them down or poison them. At our expense.
      How about you tender out the removal to loggers, firewood sellers or Christmas tree sellers.
      They pay us (pepper corn) for the right to remove them for commercial gain.
      We set a time line and regulate how it’s to be done.
      No cost to the tax/rate payer and private business hires the staff to do it.
      
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      September 22, 2018 11:20am
    - RF
      
      Major problem for live capture as their habitat is amongst bluffs and very steep rocky areas. I know this as I have hunted Thar & Chamois and have been bloody scared of falling off a cliff.
      
      Attempts to capture them by chopper up in the bluffs would be a one way ticket to heaven.
      
      I have seen deer darted, netted and run down by choppers in areas that were low lying and not usually steep. This was good fun to watch and was not really dangerous owing to the terrain.
      
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      September 22, 2018 1:56pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, they like vertical country
        
        (Warning GoVege…don’t watch)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53qslAcG7N8
        
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        September 22, 2018 2:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        They sure are amazing the way they get around steep bluffs
        I’ve seen footage of Helicopters (illegally) herding them to easy ground for tourist hunters to shoot.
        I don’t they would get them all but they sure would make a dent.
        As for venison capture it wasn’t all on easy ground…
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FHcb7WZf85I
        
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        September 22, 2018 2:13pm
Harkman

Did Rod Rosenstein discuss secretly taping Trump? Wow!
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September 22, 2018 9:42am
- stephieboy
  
  Harkman, source Washinton Examiner, Breitbart, Alex Jones or the indefatigable Fox?
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:55am
  - rangitoto
    
    New York Times.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      which Rosenstein denies according to Fox News,
      
      ,,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocmd7A3SchI
      
      LOL!
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:23am
      - rangitoto
        
        Is Fox your go to news source SB?
        
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        September 22, 2018 10:25am
      - stephieboy
        
        rangitoto, on very rare occasions, yes!
        
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        September 22, 2018 10:29am
- Inandout
  
  Maybe the old lawyer’s maxim about confidentiality is just plain bull shit.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:57am
secondcumming

A mate of mine at the gun club was telling us that his Paki neighbor called at his door the other day really upset, saying he’s been getting threatening letters.

…….turns out it was just 50c off soap coupons.
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September 22, 2018 10:01am
- stephieboy
  
  secondcumming , a” bold” attempt at canned and weak insipid humour.
  
  Holysheet tutoring you?
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:19am
  - secondcumming
    
    Well everyone at the club pissed themselves laughing.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      Weird!
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:27am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Yes, you are.
        
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        September 22, 2018 10:54am
      - stigie
        
        Nah, you couldn’t say servicing 2 goats is weird !~
        
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        September 22, 2018 12:03pm
Tauhei Notts

At the pub last night I glanced up at the Trackside Tv. It was the Wanganui greyhounds. The race was sponsored by the Whanganui Chronicle.
Our news media just cannot help themselves with this spelling idiocy.
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September 22, 2018 10:04am
- Jack5
  
  Yep, Tauhei, folk aren’t happy with having “Whanganui” (or is it “Whāngānūī?) in Maori language, and “Wanganui” in English. They want to control the English language.
  
  Don’t hear anyone demanding we use “Roma” for Rome, or “Muskva” for Moscow. No consistency.
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:42am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    By Christ, that Athinai was hot when I was there several weeks ago.
    
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    September 22, 2018 10:52am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      She sure is.
      Tell me are the poms going to give Elgin his marbles back?
      and yes
      I understand Athens is hot this time of year.
      
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      September 22, 2018 10:59am
  - itstricky
    
    or is it “Whāngānūī?
    
    Depends on whether you have a irrational fear of macrons or not, I guess.
    
    Don’t hear anyone demanding we use “Roma” for Rome, or “Muskva” for Moscow. No consistency.
    
    Because we don’t live in Italy. Or Russia.
    
    It’s not really that hard to grasp.
    
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    September 22, 2018 11:52am
    - Jack5
      
      Why don’t you post in the Maori language then, Itstricky.
      
      Two official languages: that’s not hard to grasp. Maori and English.
      
      If you tried to impose English grammar on Maori there would be an outcry. No difference from imposing Maori spelling on the English language.
      
      “Whāngānūī in Maori language: Wanganui in English language.
      
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      September 22, 2018 12:33pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , Muska in Russian, Moscow in English
        
        Roma in Italian, Rome in English
        
        Simple!
        
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        September 22, 2018 3:07pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        As far as my history tells me, feel free to correct me.
        Wanganui was/is a place that was originally settled by Europeans, they created a town.
        Maori’s NEVER lived there, or named that place, they lived up river.
        The river was named Whanganui, by Maori.
        
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        September 22, 2018 4:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Muska in Russian, Moscow in English
        
        ерунда!
        
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        September 22, 2018 4:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        I think Maggy’s right.
        
        It’s Москва, pronounced Muskva. Russian language is inflected (as Latin is) and Москва is the nominative case, which is the case you find in dictionaries. That is, as in “Москва is the capital of Russia.”
        
        If a Russian talks of going to the city it’s going to Москву (pronounced Muskvoo), and so on.
        
        For us English speakers, the Slavic languages ain’t simple.
        
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        September 22, 2018 10:17pm
    - starboard
      
      Police are still looking for you bro sticky…
      
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      September 22, 2018 3:57pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Interestingly enough if you happen to see any old documentaries about the Whanganui area the locals ( native and colonial oppressor)pronounce it Wanganui, I`ve heard that angry little scotsman Ken Mair pronounce it Wanganui.
    Caught a doco about JK Baxter a while back it didn`t mention Whanganui once.
    
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    September 22, 2018 6:59pm
Lance

I was browsing “things to do in Tel Aviv”

I happened across an annual event, even though I would never go to such a parade I thought it rather telling.

It was the annual Israel Gay Pride Parade.

So the lefties HATE Israel and yet which country allows such people to ‘not be thrown off roof tops’, indeed allows them space to express themselves?

The lefties are a self parody
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September 22, 2018 10:58am
- krazykiwi
  
  But… but… but… it’s different when Israel does it
  
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  September 22, 2018 7:05pm
Hugh Pavletich

UNITED STATES: It Can Cost $750,000 to Build an Affordable Housing Unit in California. Here’s Why. – Real Time Economics – WSJ

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/weekend-reading-22-23-september-2018/#comment-3189661

It Can Cost $750,000 to Build an Affordable Housing Unit in California. Here’s Why. – Real Time Economics – WSJ
… behind paywall …

https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018/09/21/it-can-cost-750000-to-build-an-affordable-housing-unit-in-california-heres-why/

A new government report highlights cost disparities among cities and states.

A single unit of housing for a low-income family can cost nearly $750,000 to build in California, according to a government report that provides new details on the cost to taxpayers of building affordable housing in states with high land prices and heavy land-use regulations. A new report from the Government Accountability Office … read more via hyperlink above …
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Cost and Abuse Problems in Low-Income Housing | Cato @ Liberty

https://www.cato.org/blog/cost-abuse-problems-low-income-housing
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Low Income Housing Tax Credit … U.S. Government Accounting Office

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-637
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September 22, 2018 10:58am
RW Capitalist

Have heard, that so far this year, 2500 net loss in migration of Kiwis (I assume they don’t mean the bird) to Australia, so far this year.
Is this how phillis twitford will solve the housing crisis….export kiwi’s?…AGAIN
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September 22, 2018 11:04am
- softail 1450
  
  R W C. starting to see full pages in the newspapers with Mortgagee sales appearing again ,a bit concerning…
  
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  September 22, 2018 1:52pm
igm

Was totally disgusted to hear effeminate wimp Tame on Newstalk stating this illegitimate government should use our good credit rating to borrow billions to house and patronize stinking lazy scum that support Labour/Greens.
That little POS is typical of these dirty fiscally dyslexic leeches, and time APN took a good look at the line-up of left-wing filth they employ.
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September 22, 2018 11:18am
- Inandout
  
  Tame lives with a blond TV guy, correct?
  
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  September 22, 2018 12:07pm
- softail 1450
  
  IGM,,,hack lame is a perfect example of a liberal cucked beta soyboy,,the way he cuddles his coffee cup on the breakfast program is barf inducing.
  
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  September 22, 2018 2:02pm
Fletch

A student editor is fired for tweeting that women don’t have penises.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6192453/Student-editor-tweeted-women-dont-penises-fired-university.html
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September 22, 2018 12:06pm
DigNap15

Yeah come to NZ and get free money and a free house!
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September 22, 2018 12:52pm
lifesgood

I went to a meeting held by a National MP recently who said “Don’t ever believe Jacinda Ardern is running the show. She most certainly isn’t.” He also said that National use the term “Labour-led Government” as often as possible to annoy Winnie. Parliament is a blood sport! Poor Jacinda what a mess she’s got herself in publicly and personally. But she’s the architect of her own misfortune.
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September 22, 2018 12:58pm
- MCos
  
  I’d be inclined to take more notice if that came from a Labour MP.
  Did anyone ask this guy who was running the National caucus? Simon or Judith?
  Those people have their own leadership problems right now.
  
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  September 22, 2018 1:20pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Keep saying it…don’t make it so.
    Jacinda and Winnie however is on show for all to see, and has been noticed by even some of the hardest leftie commentators.
    
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    September 22, 2018 1:46pm
  - Ross12
    
    Who said it was a guy lifesgood spoke to?
    
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    September 22, 2018 2:06pm
    - MCos
      
      He did. Reread his comment . . . .
      
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      September 22, 2018 2:55pm
      - Ross12
        
        OK point taken. You are correct.
        
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        September 22, 2018 6:19pm
Chuck Bird

This online poll has had almost 2000 responses in a short time. This is promising.

Should New Zealand take in 1500 refugees? Is it enough?

16.9% Yes, we should take more
18.9% No, 1500 is enough
58.8% No – we shouldn’t be taking so many
3.9% Don’t mind either way
1.5% No opinion

https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/message/view/51013514?utm_content=tocTopPosts&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional&utm_campaign=user-email-digest
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September 22, 2018 1:01pm
- MCos
  
  Online polls aren’t worth the paper they’re written on.
  
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  September 22, 2018 1:13pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Witty.
    
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    September 22, 2018 1:27pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      It is witty but not true. Opt in polls are not are reliable as random polls but when they show such a strong opinion they do count.
      
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      September 22, 2018 1:36pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        It was witty because online polls do not use paper.
        
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        September 22, 2018 1:42pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Make sure you report on all those polls then, Chuck, not just the one where you personally agree with the results.
        Anyway, hasn’t your pal Peters now flip-flopped and agreed to the increased refugee quota?
        
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        September 22, 2018 6:38pm
- Viking2
  
  The Prime Minister says the current coalition government is working well – but won’t commit to running with New Zealand First or the Green party in the next election.
  
  Jacinda Ardern unveils the coalition’s top 12 priorities they’ve agreed on
  Labour MP Kris Faafoi refuses to say ‘Labour-led Government’
  
  “As Labour leader, by job’s always to elevate the Labour vote. For now, I’m making this coalition work,” Jacinda Ardern told Newshub Nation.
  
  “The fact that we’ve made this coalition work so well, I think demonstrates my ability to lead a coalition government.”
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/09/pm-non-committal-on-coalition-continuing-post-2020.html
  
  hahahaha.
  
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  September 22, 2018 7:36pm
JeffW

My single use plastic bag failed today, after about 100 trips to the gym with my exercise shoes.
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September 22, 2018 1:46pm
- VicParking
  
  Eat it then roll over on your back and Green Peace will give you another. Two if you stick a straw up your nose
  
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  September 22, 2018 1:54pm
Fletch

Democrats want to delay the testimony of the woman who claims she was abused by Kavanuagh until next Thursday. If it is Thursday until she is heard, that means the confirmation of Kavanaugh will likely never happen. Trump won’t be able to nominate someone that close to the midterm elections and probably not this presidential term. This is what Democrats want.

It’s all dirty politics.

https://youtu.be/adyfbtar22U?t=10m14s
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September 22, 2018 4:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  If this hearing were delayed at all, why would Trump be unable to proceed with this nomination, or an alternative one should Kavanaugh be rejected?
  
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  September 22, 2018 6:34pm
krazykiwi

For six years in a row, more boys in the UK have been given the name of a murdering, rapist, pedophile ahead of any other boys name.

What could possibly go wrong?
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September 22, 2018 5:12pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  It’s not their real name, just a name that can be used when they want to label you as racist.
  I stop here, otherwise I might have a thermonuclear meltdown about that name
  
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  September 22, 2018 6:35pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    A man’s name is nowhere near as important as the content of his character, to con a phrase.
    
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    September 22, 2018 6:43pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      ‘con’
      Fuck off Mike, you went AWOL and now start shit just before 7pm Sat?
      Go tell your Mum she wants you.
      NY City
      
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      September 22, 2018 6:47pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Coin a phrase.
        Sorry for the typo.
        What did I start?
        
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        September 22, 2018 6:52pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      True milky. But it’s common to give children a name belonging to someone who has been an inspiration to the parents. That alone is a huge worry.
      
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      September 22, 2018 7:08pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You might be unaware that it is a very common tradition for Muslims, or ‘cultural Muslims’, to name the first born son Mohammed.
        
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        September 22, 2018 7:22pm
      - nasska
        
        It’s also a very common tradition for first born named “Mohammed” to be work-shy, rapey, misogynist arseholes…..which is probably why they get all the bad rep despite the best efforts of refugee cuddlers & the MSM.
        
        Of course if they stopped being work-shy, rapey, misogynist arseholes then we would probably treat them & welcome them like we do Dutch & Chinese immigrants.
        
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        September 22, 2018 7:51pm
- MCos
  
  The most common boy’s name for new newborns in the UK was Oliver last year.
  
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  September 22, 2018 9:48pm
JibberJabber

New Zealands Dumbest Motherfucker(if not the Planets`) is back before the courts, well tattoo me surprised!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12128702
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September 22, 2018 6:49pm
- Nostradamus
  
  The man who rose to infamy after going public about his struggle to get a job – because he has the word Devast8 tattooed across his face – is back before the courts.
  
  That’s Devast8ing news!
  
  The Herald on Sunday can now reveal that Cropp, who turned 21 in August, will stand trial in November on charges of male assaults female and threatening to kill.
  
  A Devast8ing scumbag.
  
  He accepted an offer from Sacred Laser in Kingsland to have [the tattoo] removed for free and attended one appointment but did not return for further work.
  
  How unsurprising. No chance of him getting off the unemployment benefit, getting a job and putting food on the table for his family (which he told us he wanted to do) then.
  
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  September 22, 2018 8:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh Nostradamus…you are a “hater”
    
    Mr Cropp turned his life around and made his mum proud of him.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/01/devast8-tattoo-man-mark-cropp-has-a-new-job.html
    
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    September 22, 2018 9:03pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I have three questions arising from the article:
  
  He said his brother tattooed the nickname “Devast8” on his face during a heavy night of drinking in jail.
  
  How does anyone have a night of heavy drinking in jail?
  How do inmates get access to needles and ink?
  How does supervision work in jail that you get enough time to produce such disfiguration without anyone noticing?
  
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  September 22, 2018 10:37pm
stigie

Maria went home happy, telling her mother about how she earned $20 by climbing a tree. Her mom responded, “Maria, they just wanted to see your panties!” Maria replied, “See Mom, I was smart, I took them off!”
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September 22, 2018 8:51pm
MrTips

Winston won’t like this. Simon was right. https://www.otago.ac.nz/news/events/otago689737.html
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September 22, 2018 9:19pm
Hugh Pavletich

THE CHRISTCHURCH EARTHQUAKE EVENTS … FOLLOWED BY CONSTANT POLITICAL & BUREAUCRATIC DISASTERS …

… When is real and workable community control to be restored (like functional adjoining Waimakariri and Selwyn Councils) … as then new Mayor Lianne Dalziel and Chief Executive Karleen Edwards promised to progress around the 2013 local government elections … following the 1 February 2012 4,500 strong Peoples Protest ? …

… NOW … MEET THE REAL COMMUNITY LEADERS …

Three lines left out of Christchurch’s district plan has left a community in despair … Dominic Harris … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/107144890/three-lines-left-out-of-christchurchs-district-plan-has-left-a-community-in-despair?cid=app-iPad

… extract …

… They say they have repeatedly raised the issue with the council and MPs over recent months but it was largely ignored.

In a decision perhaps borne of frustration, earlier this month the four elected members put their political careers on the line when they publicly suggested council staff may have “tampered” with the district plan.

Brave or brash, the explosive move had the desired effect, bringing the issue to public awareness and the desks of Mayor Lianne Dalziel and chief executive Karleen Edwards.

It has come at a cost. The quartet now face disciplinary measures in the form of code of conduct complaints, though Edwards says efforts are being made to resolve the issue “informally”.

They have a swell of support from the community on their side.

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GEORGE HEARD/STUFF

Pushed to the edge by frustration, coastal community leaders Kim Money, David East, Darrell Latham and Tim Sintes put their necks on the block, suggestion the district plan had been “tampered” with.

Signs have gone up thanking East, the group were roundly applauded at a public meeting in New Brighton last week and prominent figures have backed their actions.

Sintes said it was not a decision they took lightly. “We knew there would be repercussions but it has got the council and government talking.

“If people had listened we could have sorted this out a long time ago.”

HEALING THE RIFT? … read more via hyperlink above …
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Better communication can shine a light in the darkness | Brendan Burns OPINION | Stuff.co.nz
… February 2012 … now offline …

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/6380541/Better-communication-can-shine-a-light-in-the-darkness

… extract …

‘ … For this city to best recover from its seismic nightmare, the process of decision- making needs to be inverted to truly empower communities. Such a radical change is very difficult to accept for anyone – of any political persuasion – who happens to be in power.

To date, the required response is tokenistic. A top-down command and control system may be appropriate in the days after a disaster but not in a recovery which will take years. Among the ultimate victims will be those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to true community engagement. Just look at the Christchurch City Council….’
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Woman ‘flabbergasted’ at cost of consenting granny flat for her deaf brother | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/107155685/woman-flabbergasted-at-cost-of-consenting-granny-flat-for-her-deaf-brother

… and watch the clueless Council officer, who is ‘blindingly unaware’ that infrastructure should be appropriately debt financed for ‘blindingly obvious’ reasons of economic efficiency and intergenerational equity … Remarkably within the interview profoundly deaf David ‘nailed it’ …

Christchurch woman who built home for disabled brother ‘astounded’ at $23k consent bill | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/christchurch-woman-built-home-disabled-brother-astounded-23k-consent-bill

… The above is just a sample …

… There are two types of local government in this world … the small and the bad …

… If you take the ‘local’ out of local government you bugger it …
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This will not end well
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