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krazykiwi

Hey Jacinda, a bit of friendly advice for ya.

You know that GCSB-approved phone your team have ready for your trip to New York?

This is a wee reminder to pop Derek’s number to Contacts so you can get in touch with him while you’re in town, for that “Soz about that CTO thing” conversation over a coffee. Give Derek my regards (we’re old mates!), and please do let me know how that conversation goes.

Thanks, and you’re welcome 🙂
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September 21, 2018 8:00am
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  Comrade Kiwibloggers,
  
  Dear leader in forms me that as a result of her ~~job interview~~ visit to the UN, media services and “news” shall be suspended until dear leaders glorious return.
  That is all plebs, back to work.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:01am
  - sooty
    
    If only she would shutup. The media will be closely following and fawning over her. Aunty Helen has been in NY for the last fortnight laying out the ground work. But when she went to her old workplace for some reason her door pass would not let her in and everybody was ignoring frantic waving from the curb, so she retired to her multi million dollar apartment overlooking times sq.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:10am
  - kowtow
    
    Sorry comrade , not true.
    
    Front and centre at stuff.
    
    ‘Clarke Gayford on Melania Trump, media stress – and Obama’s nose’
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:23am
    - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
      
      Comrade kowtow,
      There is obviously a mistake in the diary, or the commissar at Stuff did not open the correct email.
      Rest assured comrade, that we here at the Politburo will absoludly, posidivly deal with this situation with the haste, competence and efficiency you have come to expect from Dear Leaders glorious administration.
      
      Now, back to work Pleb.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:43am
      - kowtow
        
        Talking of Commissars in the media , yesterday at Comradely RNZ , the 4 o’clock propaganda broadcast had a brief mention that the rediscovery of imperialist colonialist HM Bark Endeavour might cause trauma for Pacific Islanders , I shit you not !
        
        Reactionary Comrade Kowtow has desperately tried to find a link to that 4 o’clock broadcast as he could not believe what had been said. Sorry can’t get it, today they have a sane item on it.
        
        But the identity politics credentials of which ever comrade saw fit to put such purile shit out there are beyond question.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:00am
      - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
        
        Bait & switch working as intended, a Re-Education team will be with you shortly Comrade 🙂
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:05am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I am pleased that maori will be offended by the discovery of the Endevour and all things Cook. I am pleased that they will insist that their stone age culture trumps the colonisers who bestowed benefits upon them including taking their life expectancy from 23 to 83.
        
        This means that the Moriori, who were equally offended by the arrival of the cannibalistic colonisers in their waka circa 1400, are provided the perfect excuse for asking for the removal all those maroi displays up and done the country, shedding of te triti, reparations from the cuzzies and an excuse to raze te Papa so to appease and rectify an injustice for the populous maori slaughterd and oppressed.
        
        Gonna happen? Probably not.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:42am
      - GoVege
        
        But that’s not as bad as the judge who gave a discount for trauma suffered as a result of colonization.
        If it weren’t for that thar trauma, the poor victim would have been thrown straight in the hangi and that would have been the end of it. 🙂
        
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        September 21, 2018 10:03am
    - The Heat
      
      I thought that was a joke. But no, it’s a real headline.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107252588/clarke-gayford-on-melania-trump-media-stress–and-obamas-nose
      
      There are no depths low enough for our entertaimedia.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:57am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Can we pass this cringeworthy creep off as an Australian?
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:59am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Isn’t he here? I doubt that the job was the only reason that he came back to NZ.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:02am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Who is in charge while the PM-Select is off impressing the weak-chinned UN? Winston, or has he gone fishing? Has DeputyPM Kelvin taken his foot out of his mouth in anticipation of saying something while left in charge, or is he still in witless protection after his last try.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:09am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The Auckland chip wrapper featuring anything but news and job share editors tells us:
  
  ‘John Key’s programmes in the US focused on meetings with investment banks and fund managers, but it makes no sense for Ardern to replicate that. ‘
  
  Why? Because the woman has not got a farking clue, that’s why!
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12128703
  
  Written by Hooten; I lost the will to live after a couple of paragraphs, please let me know if I made the wrong decision to go to the cryptic.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:08am
  - Liberty
    
    Right decision.
    I didn’t get past “United Nations will be a triumph”
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:17am
  - Evadne
    
    Concludes with: “For a Prime Minister who desperately needs some basic introductory economics tutorials, getting the BAC up and running should be her most urgent priority.”
    
    It’s outrageous that anyone’s got into the position Adern has without even basic economic knowledge. Even more outrageous that so many people aren’t bothered by it.
    
    She could have used some of her 9 years in opposition to pick up a bit.
    
    She could probably make time in her calendar even now for “some basic introductory economics tutorials” if she dropped a few kindy visits, photoshoots and media puff pieces.
    
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    September 21, 2018 11:03am
igm

So Fairfax filth are now farmer bashing with Opinion pieces by someone using the byline Mohammed?
Fairfax once again graces us with yet another photo promotion of Gnashers, taxpayer-funded gigolo, and illegitimate sprog — how bloody insulting.
Why don’t they tell us what is happening to Jimmy Two Mummies’ obese ex co-leader and her thieving off taxpayers. Has this been swept under the carpet at the behest of a deal with Greens?
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September 21, 2018 8:02am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yeah, it must have been really upsetting for the farmer hating Labour Party to have to accept that the GDP rise was due to…..wait for it……..dairy farming (and other primary production)!
  The CoL has been unrelenting it’s persecution of farmers as evil and polluting mongrels. Shame.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:21am
  - VicParking
    
    Because of all the cows that were culled because of bovis therfore a oneoff.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:32am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Was actually due to NZD fall from April on. Get initial rise in GDP from higher farm earnings, but a bigger GDP drop 3 months later as high inflation from expensive imports filters in. GDP for next quarter will suck.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:32am
    - Harkman
      
      Also there is a mass overstock piling of inventories the quarter before a recession arrives.
      
      The other thing is if National was in the economy would have been growing +4% because mining wouldn’t be in a depression. So much for Cindy’s claims that they aren’t harming the mining sector in the present.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:13am
      - Paulus
        
        In addition this years production of such as Kiwi Fruit and Avocado in the Bay of Plenty has been a boomer with right climate being of great help and everything falling into place at the right time.
        Season’s over until next year.
        
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        September 21, 2018 1:52pm
  - rockape
    
    Surely not, it was labours decision to cull all those cows and put the burger meat on the market that got them 1%. Next couple of reports will be interesting as cow numbers are down and the problem is still there1
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:33am
  - JIV
    
    How does that work? If Fonterra make a massive loss how does that help GDP, or is there a delay in its effect?
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:47am
    - cmm
      
      The GDP numbers were for Q2 (end of June).
      
      The Fonterra loss only came through this quarter.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:58am
      - rangitoto
        
        Also Fonterra doesn’t get any income from beef sales.
        
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        September 21, 2018 12:04pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Low dollar is helping push sale prices up. Good for now, bad for later.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:28am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Particularly as we import far more than we export. We have to borrow about $7billion a year overseas at the moment to pay for the imbalance.
      
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      September 21, 2018 11:21am
      - BananaLlama
        
        Yeah it will hit service sector hard and that is where our government gets most of their revenue from.
        I’m really proud of NZ sheep industry who have managed to keep increasing yearly export revenue despite a decline in overall stock numbers. We don’t get the best to work with but what we do have available we make the most of.
        That and the Left wing loons seem to leave us alone and go after beef and dairy farmers 🙂
        
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        September 21, 2018 12:25pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Has this been swept under the carpet at the behest of a deal with Greens?’
  
  Don’t you worry the Greens don’t need to ask, the low quality of what passes for journos as well as their political leanings ensures self censorship as well as left wing stories will be selectively placed.
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:13am
  - Paulus
    
    What have the Greens go to do with anything – they are only irrelevant fodder for Labour, but are not intelligent enough to see it.
    
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    September 21, 2018 1:54pm
- igm
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/107131294/thanks-to-new-zealand-i-have-spent-all-my-life-in-a-refugee-tent
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:53am
Manolo

Obama’s triumph:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-jobless-claims-fall-to-49-year-low-for-third-straight-week-1537446974
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September 21, 2018 8:02am
- cmm
  
  Please give credit to the right people.
  
  I think you will find this was actually a joint effort between Obama and Bill Clinton.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:07am
  - holysheet
    
    Nah it all stated with Reagan and Bush senior….
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:09am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I keep telling ya.
      Sarcasm WILL be taxed.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:24am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Then it will cost me shitloads
        
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        September 21, 2018 12:59pm
- holysheet
  
  http://viralgossiptalk.info/funny-memes-of-moments-were-ladies-butts-were-starred-at/
  Even the messiah is a creep
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:08am
- Scott
  
  Yes you would think with the economy going gangbusters that the press would give just a little bit of credit to President Trump? But no, they are still full time every day trying to bring him down.
  
  Their latest shenanigans is to stop President Trump’s latest Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanagh. The media and the Democrats have been looking for anything to smear the character of Justice Kavanagh. And they found something! That someone back in high school reckons that he groped her at a party when she was 15 and he was 17.
  
  Oh my goodness – stop everything – this man obviously cannot serve on the Supreme Court!!
  
  I would be interested to know what other people think? Even if he did do this, and it is by no means certain that he did, should this disqualify him? In other words if you do a bad thing when you are 17 and then live an impeccable moral life, should that forever bar you from higher office? It’s an interesting moral question?
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:37am
  - JIV
    
    The MeToo movement has been successful for the virtuous left to rid the world of some middle aged white men. They obviously think this is the answer to anyone they dont like, so they find a patsy to come up with a sordid scenario many years ago. It doesnt matter if its true or not, just assassinate the character.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:52am
    - DigNap15
      
      Some young girl got drunk and groped at a party, thirty years ago.
      Now she is complaing!
      
      This has got to stop!
      Complain the next day or for ever hold your tongue!
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:58am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘It doesnt matter if its true or not, just assassinate the character.’
      
      Make no mistake , this is the “resistance” , war , and the means justify the ends.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:03am
  - SGA
    
    In other words if you do a bad thing when you are 17 and then live an impeccable moral life, should that forever bar you from higher office? It’s an interesting moral question?
    
    That’s so general, Scott, it is hard to give a yes or no answer. In part, it depends on what you mean by a “bad thing”. If, say, an ex-friend came forward and said Kavanagh had been driving the car in a previous unsolved “hit and run”, I’d expect he would be toast – as a much as anything because he’d hidden it all these years. Allegations of sexual assault, such as this one, are notoriously difficult to judge – I would hate to be on a jury deciding a sexual assault or rape case (unless it was very clear cut).
    
    That said, I wouldn’t want to be judged now for some of the stupid things that I said and did as a 17-year-old.
    
    There is, of course, another thing, isn’t there? Kavanagh has denied any sort of incident at all (is that right?). If that denial doesn’t stack up, and if it appears he has been economical with the truth, then he will be judged for that as well.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:53am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The two witnesses Ford alleged were there have come forward and said they have never seen Kavanaugh involved in any such incident.
      One wasn’t accused by Ford as being involved so is independent.
      Bearing in mind Ford can’t remember when and where it happened.
      Her School Year Books have also been scrubbed from the Internet- which is hardly the act of an innocent party.
      However someone kept a copy.
      http://cultofthe1st.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-christine-blasey-fords-high-school_19.html?m=1
      It shows a culture of binge drinking and partying.
      The Dems are clearly using her and the game playing to delay is just blatant.
      Is it true? Doesn’t look like it. I’m inclined to be charitable to her and suggest an incident did happen to her but she’s identified the wrong person.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:16am
      - All_on_Red
        
        “”I understand that I have been identified by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford as the person she remembers as ‘P.J.’ who supposedly was present at the party she described in her statements to the Washington Post,” Patrick J. Smyth said in a letter sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.
        
        “I am issuing this statement today to make it clear to all involved that I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh,” Smyth declared.
        
        “Personally speaking, I have known Brett Kavanaugh since high school and I know him to be a person of great integrity, a great friend, and I have never witnessed any improper conduct by Brett Kavanaugh towards women,” Smyth added. “To safeguard my own privacy and anonymity, I respectfully request that the Committee accept this statement in response to any inquiry the Committee may have.”
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:22am
    - Harkman
      
      But really it is just a political hit job.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:16am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I suppose though he could have driven a car off a bridge and then left his companion to die some hours later because he wanted his blood alcohol level to drop before reporting the crash. That would be pretty damning – for a Republican anyway – wouldn’t it ?
      
      What if two women came forward with very credible allegations of domestic violence complete with precise times, dates, and places, backed up by contemporary medical and 911 call reports – that would be career ending – for a Republican.
      
      Then we look at the veracity of the complainant in the Kavanaugh case. The allegations are vague, the only real detail is the name of the supposed assailant and of one other person said to be present. No time or place is provided. There are no contemporaneous records of any sort, no medical evidence (just a psychological counselling event some 30 odd years after the alleged incident), and no police records of any sort. There’s also the persistent rumour that the same allegation was made by the same person against Judge Gorsuch. It is also interesting that the complainant scrubbed all her social media, and also attempted to scrub the yearbooks from her time at college when the incident is said to have occurred. Unfortunately for her the yearbook data has been preserved and and it does show that the culture at the school was a wild, sex and alcohol dominated party time with frequent references to memory gaps due to passing out at parties. The game “Pass Out” is mentioned several times, just for info.
      
      To summarize, this is not a credible allegation and is, just IMHO, a paid for smear being used to block Kavanaugh “by any means possible”.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:24am
      - SGA
        
        I suppose though he could have driven a car off a bridge and then left his companion to die some hours later because he wanted his blood alcohol level to drop before reporting the crash.
        
        Exactly, we wouldn’t want anyone like that on the Supreme Court for life. That voters seemed to tolerate it in an elected representative is extraordinary.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:47am
    - Scott
      
      SGA – fair comment. To go from the general to the specific, the specific charge is that at the age of 17 Brett Kavanagh groped the 15-year-old girl through her clothing at a party. There is no allegation of rape.
      
      Given those facts I actually don’t care if he did it or not? That’s my point. If everyone who has ever groped a girl when they were a teenager, that is held against them forever, how many people could stand that level of scrutiny?
      
      Because I am a Christian I believe in forgiveness and 2nd chances.
      
      Unfortunately the leftist Revolutionary doesn’t believe in any of those things. The me too movement is really a backlash against the whole sexual revolution and the culture of sexual license. Now those that were involved in sexual license are being prosecuted by a movement that is harsher than anything we have seen before.
      
      So I think we need to get back to Christian morals. We understand that people can do stupid things but if you do a stupid thing then repent, tell God you are sorry and receive forgiveness.
      
      What shouldn’t happen is that a teenaged indiscretion is for ever held against a person. That is just morally wrong in my opinion.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:26am
      - SGA
        
        Well, Scott, you asked a general question, I gave you a general answer (which basically said that the specifics are probably important) 🙂
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:45am
      - GoVege
        
        If I had a dollar for every time I was groped when I was a teenager….I’d be a rich woman! 🙂
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:58am
  - Fletch
    
    It looks like it is all going to come unraveled for the Dems if this rumour has any truth to it.
    
    Activists, reporters, and White House officials are consumed with a barrage of rumors, hearsay and tantalizing tips about a Supreme Court nominee and his accuser.
    
    It is the tweet that launched a thousand rumors.
    
    On Tuesday evening, Ed Whelan, a conservative activist and legal commentator, posted a remarkable claim about the charge of sexual assault against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.
    
    “By one week from today, I expect that Judge Kavanaugh will have been clearly vindicated on this matter,” Whelan wrote. “Specifically, I expect that compelling evidence will show his categorical denial to be truthful. There will be no cloud over him.”
    
    In a follow up tweet, he added for good measure: “Senator [Dianne] Feinstein will soon be apologizing to Judge Kavanaugh.” Feinstein is the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee and the first senator to learn about the accusation against Kavanaugh.
    
    Whelan, who is president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, has since remained cryptically tight-lipped. But his tweet, along with the perception that he is a sober-minded straight shooter, triggered intense speculation among conservatives and even White House aides about whether he had information that could acquit Kavanaugh.
    
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/20/kavanaugh-confirmation-allegations-rumors-830725
    
    Whelan is supposed to be a ‘straight-shooter’ and not given to hyperbole so everyone is waiting to see what will happen. Speculation abounds though… Was Kavanaugh out of the country at the time of the incident? Does another witness remember something? The GOP have been interviewing people from that time period right, left, and center while Dems have refused any and all offers to take part.
    
    Within hours of learning Dr. Ford’s identity from press reports on Sunday Chairman Grassley took swift action making contact w the alleged witnesses. Dems haven’t joined background investigation of Dr. Ford’s allegations. It’s our constitutional duty to do investigations. Join us
    
    Democrats sat on Dr. Ford’s allegations for MONTHS & did nothing. They STILL haven’t turned over the original letter they received from Dr. Ford. Why would Dems sit on allegations for months and then not even participate in the Committee’s investigation?
    
    On Monday, staff interviewed Judge Kavanaugh under penalty of felony. Democratic staff was invited and could have asked any question of Judge Kavanaugh. They declined to participate.
    
    Staff contacted Mark Judge and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted third person allegedly at party described by Dr. Ford and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted fourth person allegedly at party.
    
    Staff have contacted a schoolmate who claimed on social media this week to have info related to Dr. Ford’s allegations. Committee has not yet heard back.
    
    The committee invited Dr. Ford for bipartisan interview by Republican and Democratic staff to obtain her testimony and any evidence she considers relevant. First reached out on Monday, but her lawyers haven’t agreed to an interview.
    
    Her attorneys say there needs to be an investigation, which is exactly what the committee has been doing all week. And we would love to hear from Dr. Ford. Democratic staff is invited to participate fully every step of the way.
    
    — Senate Judiciary (@senjudiciary) September 20, 2018
    
    https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/20/senate-judiciary-whitehouse-kavanaugh/
    
    Funny that. Democrats put the accusation out there, are critical that “there is no investigative plan”, but refuse to take part when asked to join in. Methinks this whole thing has backfired on them. There can’t be any other reason.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:27am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Holy Shit!
      Read this thread!
      https://twitter.com/edwhelaneppc/status/1042893987747713024?s=21
      
      Looks like Whelan has identified who did it.
      A friend of Kavanaugh who looks very much like him
      
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      September 21, 2018 12:18pm
      - Fletch
        
        Woah, so the plot thickens. On the face of it, he could be said to be drawing a long bow, but then again – the case was so long ago and the accuser remembers so little of the facts that much of what happened is probably open to speculation.
        
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        September 21, 2018 2:58pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Not sure that alternative ID is the gotcha that Whelan thinks it is, places too much emphasis on the belief that some incident actually happened.
        
        Here’s an excellent example of the rank hypocrisy going on amongst the Democrats:
        
        Senator Chuck Schumer Tweet:
        
        “If you are a survivor of sexual assault, you are not alone. We stand with you. We believe you. And if you need to talk, you can call….etc”
        
        And one of the first responses is: “Should I call ??” by Juanita Broaddrick.
        
        I think she’s been blocked by Schumer and possibly shadow-banned by Twitter for hate speech…
        
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        September 21, 2018 4:41pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Maybe I should run for public office. It would be great to piece my twenties together
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:34am
mister nui

I was thinking…

Considering the princess wants to get rid of single use plastic bags, one would have to assume this includes condoms, as they’re most certainly single use.

That would mean those who delight in the pleasures of trolley dollys would now need to be extra careful….
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September 21, 2018 8:03am
- Woz
  
  Don’t be so wasteful. You can turn them inside out and use them again.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:06am
- holysheet
  
  Especially the ones that fly for the Arabs.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:07am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Plastic is made from oil don’t you know, must be bad. My daughter in law gets her groceries delivered from Countdown in hugely thick cumbersome paper bags. Plastic bags were much better, I am sure that she is paying per bag.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:10am
  - cmm
    
    Does she know those paper bags require many times more fossil fuel to make than plastic bags?
    
    The only pro with paper bags is that they don’t choke turtles if she throws them in the sea. Since she probably doesn’t throw her bags in the sea – no worries.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:16am
  - mister nui
    
    Just do what we do. Get one of those 30 or so packs of bin liners with your shopping, when at the counter and the snowflake on the checkout asks for your recyclable bag, pass her those and tell her to use them. Watch her faint.
    
    Best part of doing this a couple of times, is now my wife doesn’t want me to come to the supermarket with her…
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:16am
- Wangas Feral
  
  You can buy those supermarket plastic bags from China for half the price that Pak N Slave sells them to you. And delivered to your door.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:44am
  - DigNap15
    
    I bought some from TradeMe
    500 in a pack.
    You can buy in bulk from Ali Babas etc
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:00am
Steve (North Shore)

Buckle up for the usual shit about 4pm today.
When does she leave anyway? Some say today, some say Sunday. One will be a lie for sure
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September 21, 2018 8:04am
- rockape
  
  Maybe she hasnt checked her dairy yet!
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:08am
  - sooty
    
    Is she going commercial or in the horsefloat?
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:14am
    - Grant
      
      Horsefloat One………….snigger.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:26am
    - dave_c_
      
      Definitely a horsefloat – One with the familiar trough in the corner.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:49am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Emirates? or is Clark with an E not going? (and in that case, will he be coming?)
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Is Peters going too ?
    Helen Clark is there already having become Ardern’s Publicity Agent, setting up PR pictures and TV Interviews, paid for of course by the New Zealand Taxpayers.
    
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    September 21, 2018 2:02pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  If she uses the same bull shit excuse, as she did for her private Uber jet flight to Ngauru.
  The baby….therefore had to leave later and NZAF plane was the only option.
  Or
  Is she taking the baby with her and in that case why couldn’t the baby have gone to Ngauru?
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:28am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Nauru is a disease ridden hellhole.
    The child was/is too young for the required vaccinations.
    New York has its problems, but being rife with third world diseases isn’t one of them.
    
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    September 21, 2018 10:06am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      she’s visiting the UN, of which to quote Alec Guinness: “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy”
      
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      September 21, 2018 12:16pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I didn’t know the UN had an office in Tatooine.
        
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        September 21, 2018 3:06pm
slightlyrighty

It is now 4 days since the end of Maori Language Week, and still nobody has had the courage to tell Jack Tame……..

One Job. You had ONE JOB!
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September 21, 2018 8:05am
- dave_c_
  
  All part of the neverending agenda, all part of the agenda! I notice that the traditional greeting of those being interviewed is replaced on just about every occasion, using gibberish from some indecipherable language. It looks like those being interviewed have been instructed to use the same in response.
  What ever happened to simple words like ‘Hi there Fred’
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:13am
  - KevOB
    
    Ignorantly the use varies as does their wildly different sounds as they struggle through their mispronunciations.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:36am
  - VicParking
    
    Or just a simple “morning” would do.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:40am
- DigNap15
  
  The funny thing was that at work not one of my Maori friends or co-workers spoke Maori to me!
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:01am
  - Harkman
    
    Funny that. It does appear quite common for Maori not to be able (or interested) in speaking Maori. I have also noticed that writing a Maori name next to the English name on a sign or giving something new a fancy Maori name has done absolutely nothing for Maori standards of living.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:23am
    - Fletch
      
      It’s only woke white people in the mold of Jack Tame who actually like to learn and speak Maori. It makes them feel virtuous.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:35am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I gave up feeling virtuous yeas ago, and I do not have one ounce of white guilt either, will I be going to hell?
        Unless feeling virtuous is akin to feelings of superiority that is ;).
        
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        September 21, 2018 10:25am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    They probably know how easy it is to rigger a snowflake like you.
    
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    September 21, 2018 3:07pm
  - stephieboy
    
    DigNap15, now where would that be?
    
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    September 21, 2018 3:13pm
holysheet

Cindy was supposed to have an operation to cure her maths issues, but they could never put her under.
The problems started when the anaesthetist asked her to count backwards from one hundred.
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September 21, 2018 8:05am
- sooty
  
  Should have got her to count to ten.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:16am
  - holysheet
    
    Even that might be a struggle.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:20am
marcmywords

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107217016/court-finds-jail-term-discount-for-deprivation-mori-background-was-fair

A 30% jail term discount for being Maori… went to court of appeal and got thrown out. The judge? Also a Maori. I’m not racist, I just think selective justice is.
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September 21, 2018 8:08am
- holysheet
  
  If this shit keeps up, I might have to bury my pride and admit to having darkies in my distant past.
  Surely if that wanker judge can claim his bros are special just because they look dark, then I can claim it as well.
  Nothing a good suntanning cannot fix.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:13am
  - VicParking
    
    Few tats will help.
    Hands: Hate & Love
    Face: FK COPS on forehead and squiggle on chin
    Calves: Knives and Guns
    But: “Hide drugs here”
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:44am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The link does not mention the CoA.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:18am
  - Happychappy
    
    Chuck as I don’t watch the News could you please enlighten us on the three plans to go into Pike River Mine and the dangers that each hold. I am asking as I happen to see what was going to be on the six o’clock One News highlights and it sounded like they were already making excuses as each plan had dangers. So I would be interested on your opinion and do you still think they will take a risk with peoples lives.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:44am
    - holysheet
      
      Now now Happy, Chucky is still pissed that he and the drunken dwarf are not going to be first into the mine.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:54am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Happy, I am a bit sensitive because of the fake news put out by you, holy and other about the reason for my position being Peters. That is a blatant lie.
        
        I formed my view before Peters at least before he went public. I formed my view on the basis of someone I knew who was in mine rescue.
        
        I am not closely following the current re-entry. I would say any risk would be low risk.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:36am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Happy, will you tell me what risk level is acceptable for any activity be it Pike River, painting a roof or climbing a mountain? Should the risk be zero or reasonable? I do not believe in a nanny state.
      
      Do you think skydivers should be required to have two reserves?
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:03am
      - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
        
        Comrade Chuck,
        In accordance with Dear Leader’s relentlessly glorious inspirational posidiv target of reducing the road toll and suicide statistics to |0|, skydiving and non commercial aviation activities will be banned forthwith.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:12am
      - Happychappy
        
        Have you a attitude problem Chuck I asked a logical question as I never watched the news and knowing your interest in the recovery I though you might be able to enlighten me on the three plans.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:15am
    - Paulus
      
      Surely Health and Safety Laws were changed after the Pike River tragedy.
      They will have to be lawfully amended by Parliament before any body goes near entering any part of the Mine.
      
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      September 21, 2018 2:06pm
- calendar girl
  
  A criminal sentence being ‘modified’ on the basis of race alone is an appalling precedent in our legal system, and now we can expect that it will be used regularly as a precedent.
  
  In Ardern’s absence, Minister of Justice Little needs to undergo a public grilling on this latest example of institutionalised racism. And the Opposition should develop a co-ordinated strategy for dealing with it in the House – perhaps including a Private Member’s Bill aimed at preventing repetition of this injustice (and probably exposing at the same time the Coalition Government’s comfort with this kind of racism.)
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:42am
  - VicParking
    
    My family was persecuted in england during the Reformation. I should therefore get off my speeding tickets as being chased brings back all my inter-generational fears.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:51am
- Niz
  
  “discount an offender’s jail sentence by a third because of her Māori cultural background”
  Doesn’t say much for a culture if it’s somehow responsible for her offending.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:48am
- DigNap15
  
  We need to keep that decision as ammunition when idiots like Andrew Little say the justice system is baised against Maori as they are more likely to be imprisoned.
  Rubbish
  Do the crime and do the time!
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:03am
- Jazzby
  
  The trouble with this decision is that it is – apart from being blatantly racist – a good example of just how thick some of the legal profession can be. The judge has effectively said that Maori, as an ethno-racial group, suffered because of colonisation (a claim that’s by no means beyond dispute); so he then extrapolated from the general to the particular – the case before him – and said that a discounted sentence must apply, for no reason other than that the offender was Maori. This decision is morally repugnant.
  What it does is to set a precedent, because the judiciary are obliged to take into account previous sentencing practice when pronouncing judgement. It’s a slippery slope of the worst sort.
  Can we please have a colour-blind country? Is that too much to ask?
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:15am
  - Niz
    
    “Can we please have a colour-blind country?”
    Jan Thomas would never let you speak at _her_ university.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:52am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    The decision should be appealed if it is outside of accepted parameters.
    
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    September 21, 2018 10:29am
  - GoVege
    
    Maori do not suffer from colonisation.
    They suffer from lousy parenting and violence in the home.
    The second one is a direct result of the chauvinism in their culture that makes many Maori males think they have the right to bash and terrorize their wives and kids.
    They have Pakeha culture and the rule of law it introduced to thank for protecting them from the worst excesses of this.
    As Donna Awatere-Huata once said: the great thing about moving to the city for their family was, for the first time they had a telephone and could call the police when her father became violent.
    
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    September 21, 2018 4:30pm
- backster
  
  What an incredible farce. Justice it certainly isn\t. Racism it s a prime example of.
  
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  September 21, 2018 11:44am
Sofia

“There are limits where there is non-evidence based targeting of groups of people based on a particular characteristic that they have, rather than any idea they have or anything. For example with ethnicities, gender fluidity, those sorts of things

“If that voice leads to damage, psychological damage, or silencing, or suppression of those particular groups of people, I personally have some challenges with that,” Dr Thomas said. – https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/366920/massey-uni-vice-chancellor-has-no-intention-of-resigning

Her examples are a bit selective and narrow, but the rest of what Jan Thomas says here is fairly representative of what she did to Dr Don Brash.
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September 21, 2018 8:09am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Thank goodness her resigning is not the only option, Massey needs to take leadership here just like we demand/expect of Jacinda, sack her.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:17am
- Gravelroad
  
  This woman’s personal challenges are irrelevant.
  She should put her personal views aside and consider the bigger picture for the benefit of all under her mandate.
  She comes across as autocratic and, dare I say it, bigoted.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:28am
  - KevOB
    
    Also deceitful.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:38am
secondcumming

Went to a friends place last night – they were throwing a private fund-raising dinner for Starship.

One of the women there, a rather attractive young blonde who I hadn’t met before, was saying “Jacinda and her motley crew couldn’t give a fuck about any of us”……. everyone there was in total agreement.
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September 21, 2018 8:09am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Is Jacinda going to head a band now? 😉 Go all Rockn Roll?
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:13am
  - tom1980
    
    Couldn’t blame her, the deputy PM, DJ, and newspaper editor gigs haven’t gone too well. Fourth time lucky Chompers!
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:55am
- holysheet
  
  The wheel has turned when even a blonde understands that.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:14am
Lee C

According to Jacinda, there are 10 types of politician in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.
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September 21, 2018 8:13am
- dave_c_
  
  I think her head is full of zeros and ones, in random order, and a total disjoint between head and mouth.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:17am
  - holysheet
    
    I note you said head and not brain. Good call.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:40am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Zeros? She is probably learning from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the difference between a billion dollars and a trillion dollars. It is only zeros, and zeros have no value so there is no extra cost.
    No shit!
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:43am
  - freethinker
    
    Glitter Tits has no head mouth connection as she has a more useful connection of mouth to large intestines allowing shit to exit from both orofices.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:11am
- Ed Snack
  
  That would imply a level of understanding not in evidence so far…
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:40am
flipper

New York will be endangered by the teeth. But given NYers’ politics, and the idiotic bubble that is the UN, Ardern will be at home. Can we persuade her to remain there?
BTW ….. how many pax on the RNZAF 757 to New York?
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September 21, 2018 8:14am
- cas
  
  Presumably a Nanny or her mother as well as Clarke will need some time out to chill.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:48am
  - starboard
    
    Clarky is flying Emirates..
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    And I am sure her many friendly women from the Media as the Cheer group will be on the flight.
    This old ex Air Canada aircraft is not the most reliable as Key can testify having been stalled n Darwin once and elsewhere – hope it make it and does not do its well know engine breakdown.
    Clarke can fix it I expect.
    Reports of her visit have already been already written.
    
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    September 21, 2018 2:13pm
- waikatogirl
  
  While in NY Cindy is going to be interviewed by Stephen Colbert on the Late Show. She will be made to feel warm and fuzzy from all the compliments Stephen the lefty will lay at her feet. ?
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:57am
  - Inandout
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPQ1XAHBgFI
    Is this the Stephen wanker, the one who feeds on yelps and whoops from the selected audience? A hopelessly dedicated Democrat and an Obamaphile to boot.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:14am
  - Komata
    
    Wiakato, it will probably go well UNTIL the host sees what she actually HAS on her feet!
    
    Based in her previous satorial efforts it will probably be Ugg boots or some other ‘culturally aporopriate’ footwear..
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:53am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Bare feet? Did Maori make flax footwear?
      
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      September 21, 2018 10:32am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        They did.. Paraerae
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/object/41006/paraerae-flax-sandals
        
        But usually only for when they were heading into the mountains….
        so more commonly used in the South Island.
        
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        September 21, 2018 3:13pm
Steve (North Shore)

And now for something different.
Currently spending a few days at Sky City Hotel (birthday) Great hospitality, great meals, great views. Went down to the Casino and watched the revenue gathering (I don’t gamble) Well, the roulette tables were going flat stick – but the pokies even more so. There are clearly people who should not be there, you can tell by their dress sense. Obviously spending benefit money. Sad really, and we wonder why there are social problems
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September 21, 2018 8:17am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Having a dress code should address that.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:19am
  - sooty
    
    But dollar bills all look the same!
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:24am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Yeah they do, but those dollar bills come from you and I.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:45am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Not a NZ dollar bill, how many years has it been?
      I have been on the hunt for old 50c coins for my old pub pool table, that is difficult enough.
      
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      September 21, 2018 10:33am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Improvise, get some washers and take the magnet out of the mechanism
        
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        September 21, 2018 1:18pm
secondcumming

And in Breaking News:

A nine-year-old girl from Remuera has disappeared, after using a moisturizer that makes you look ten years younger…..
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September 21, 2018 8:18am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Careful….telling jokes like that
  Half the Labour caucus will be out looking for her.
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:31am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Forming a working group as we speak
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:39am
sooty

Cindy rolls out Meka the Muss on womans sufferage day. The she makes her suffer on a day of her own by sacking her!
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September 21, 2018 8:23am
- dave_c_
  
  Hypocracy knows no bounds.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:27am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sooty, Chompers pushed Whaitiri under the wheels of a passing bus, because:
  Chompers has got problems & yesterday showed that;
  Chompers needed a diversion; and
  Chompers is going to NY, so had to look a strong PM type for her fan base- the foreign media.
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:31am
oldpark

Just one of the so called Peters installed “Tax Working Group” interim report goes like this.
“Capital Gains Taxation”.
Seems should Peters led selected gang of free loaders in the Lie-bour/Far left Lunatic Green Parties win the next election in just under two years time Capital Gains Tax on hard working NZs will become a reality.
Also under the present Peters led regime ,being a Residential Landlord is bad enough,guess what the tax grab recommendations also wants.
They want to tax the arse of small business owners ,should they make a “Capital Gain” when selling their business.
Who the fugh would be a “small business owner “under the Peters led Coalition of Corruption and Chaos,should they make it back to terrorise NZs taxpayers in 2020.
There are many more tax grab recommendations by the Peters Led installed so called Tax Working Group. Thanks to Peters the fears of many many small business owners planning for their retirement,or even “rich prick” mum and dad Landlords selling their only rental property will also not be exempt. The wrath of the Peters led CGT tax grab merchants will be a reality,if he installs “Commie Chic Comrade” Arderns gang of free loaders as well as the far left Lunatic Green Party in 2020.
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September 21, 2018 8:25am
- KevOB
  
  “Capital income” was also referred to. A novel concept in tax case law. Income is what you live off: capital is the substance generating income. Inflation and values may change the amounts of capital but the substance itself remains unchanged. Hence the old rule to tax the fruit not the tree.
  
  The expectation increases daily that the COL will not live to see out their attack on the “bosses”.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:49am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    The 99 page report by Alan Reynolds, for the Australian Stock Exchange, makes difficult but interesting reading.
    A couple of conclusions
    It is disproportionately against the elderly:
    Who are on a fixed income and only have capital assets to rely on.
    It restricts entrepreneurship:
    By taxing capital, it discourages investment in business.
    Because of complicated legislation required, it restricts growth in business by increasing compliance cost (and in my opinion confidence to expand)
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:38am
    - KevOB
      
      Taxing capital prevents savings for expansion. The fruit from a tree when sold produces income. Some of that has to be saved to buy/plant a second tree which will produce more income.
      
      Do we have to teach Economics 00.1 to our governors?
      
      (What would be the use? They only listen to others with similarly limited minds.)
      
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      September 21, 2018 10:38am
Rachael Membery

Note the difference in treatment between Christchurch and the Pike River mine.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/107240956/controversial-thinkers-let-it-go-comment-branded-hurtful-and-insensitive
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September 21, 2018 8:26am
Niz

What is this I hear that it is offensive for people to display their tattoos in Japan? After a quick google, it appears that it’s offensive to _some_ Japanese people, but I also read that tattooing has a _long_ history in Japan. It appears that many people get tattooed in Japan, and not always because they’re Yakuza – sometimes just because they think it’s cool.
Is it _really_ that offensive to Japanese people if tattoos are on show? Or is it a bit like people wearing burkhas in NZ – offensive to some, but meh to the rest of us?
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September 21, 2018 8:31am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Spectators too, not just the team. Are we still the most tattooed Nation?
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:36am
- srylands
  
  Well I never saw a tattooed person in Japan. My impression is that a sizeable minority freak out but they are generally older people. I doubt most young people give a shit.
  
  This is largely the reason Air New Zealand absolutely prohibits air crew from being tattooed. You may recall a couple of rejected dimwits going to the press about it.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:37am
- cmm
  
  In many places only gang members etc get tats.
  
  Would you want to get on a plane crewed by gang members?
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:55am
  - Niz
    
    In many places, people who _aren’t_ gang members get tattoos. Do you think that everybody who has a tattoo is a gang member? I don’t. I suppose that if the only time Japanese people see tattoos is on a Yakuza member (because everybody else hides theirs), they could make the logical leap that you must be Yakuza if you have a tattoo (I really don’t think they’re that dumb though).
    Lucky for us the Japanese only have a problem with blue skin, not brown, eh?
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:06am
    - cmm
      
      I don’t think everyone who has a tatoo is a gang member, but that is what many people do see from their cultural perspective.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:13am
- SGA
  
  What is this I hear that it is offensive for people to display their tattoos in Japan?
  
  I got the impression it might be reasonably widespread. In a conversation with someone who was going to some sort of public spa (or similar), I commented that I might try that sometime. She asked me whether I had any tattoos because there were often restrictions for people who had them (i.e., more private areas).
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:19am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The All Blacks are gaijin.
  They can show their tattoos in Japan and it won’t matter.
  Whoever is giving the ABs “cultural advice” about Japan needs to get out a little more often.
  
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  September 21, 2018 6:22pm
G152

Sacking Meka the Muss was probably the Friday 4 pm release but as usual they stuffed up.
Using calendars is a highly technical skill
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September 21, 2018 8:31am
Sofia

Ms Ardern has seen the final report – on which she’s based her decision to strip Ms Whaitiri of her portfolios – but the public will have to wait until the Department of Internal Affairs (DIA) has been through it before they get to see it.
She will not say what happened, only that Ms Whaitiri still disputes the allegation against her.
But Ms Ardern has promised some of that detail will be released in due course.
“I’ve asked DIA to prepare a version of the report that can be released in order to address some of those outstanding questions.”
– https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/366940/labour-mps-stand-behind-ardern-s-action-on-whaitiri

Why does Labour seem so disinclined to refer matters of alleged assault to the Police?
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September 21, 2018 8:32am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And redacting and editing everything. In an open and transparent fashion of course.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  Why? Because there’s a limit on how many matters for which the CoL can be delicately applying pressure. The Labour Youth camp sexual predator case is probably still at the front of that queue.
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:01am
  - Paulus
    
    Why Wood you say that!
    
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    September 21, 2018 2:16pm
- hullkiwi
  
  This is what I posted on page about Whaitiri in response to cmm earlier.
  
  Whaitiri was thrown under a bus by Ardern as a squirrel diversion. If, you look at yesterday’s questions in the House and responses from Ardern, she is deep in it and was hiding behind exact words. The OIAs (could prove revealing).
  
  I believe I have seen this before , and I don’t think it will end happily for the CoL. We are seeing a definite parallel here with 30 years ago. What we are seeing now has many parallels with that period when Lange called time of Rogernomics and said “it was time to call for a cup of tea”.
  As with 1988 we have seen two ministers sacked (then it was Douglas & Preeble) who challenged Lange’s authority & made him look weak. After weeks of Lange’s authority being furthered eroded in the press, he called it quits and we ended up with Palmer. In the current context we’ve seen Ardern’s status eroded by events, in a similar manner to Lange’s. Curran & Whaitiri were unfortunate, but Ardern is involved in Handley & if it is to the extent of being involved in his recruitment, she is a goner. If Ardern goes, there is only one replacement and that is Robertson. Which will be history repeating Palmer’s leadership.
  
  Further, as with 1988 the govt & the PM is now in a weakened position, so we are going to see more leaking and grandstanding by CoL MPs in the media. In 1988, you had Douglas/Preeble & associates and on the other side you had Anderton. Today, we have the Greens and NZF. The Greens will not want to go down with Labour, so I’m expecting them to stand their ground – my bet is the waka jumping bill may take on water and sink now. As for NZF, they are determined to be in govt & prove they are a good govt partner, hence why Winston gave way on the refugees. However, he will not want the Greens furthering their causes at the expense of the CoL . So, expect some further in fighting.
  
  However, as we know with 1988-90, it ended in years for the then government, so I’m expecting it to do so again. Finally, if the pressure on Ardern is ratcheted up further and is sustained I expect her to throw in the towel by Christmas.
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:37am
  - cmm
    
    Interesting parallel, though clearly Cindy and her two ministers are not a patch on Lange, Douglas and Prebble.
    
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    September 21, 2018 12:00pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      I agree with you cmm. Given how bad Cindy & co have been since March, events will get her. I just can’t see her surviving. With the only possible replacement being Robbo.
      
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      September 21, 2018 12:11pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I heard those words: “prepare a version of the report that can be released ”
  
  I thought that sounded completely corrupt. ‘Version of’? It’s none of her business how a report, that should be neutral and factual, is prepared.
  
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  September 21, 2018 11:21am
secondcumming

So, Michael Cullen’s ‘Tax Working Group’ has recommended this gummint implement a *Capital Gains Tax* at the earners top tax rate……..well what the fuck would you expect?

As the old saying goes, “If we do not learn from the mistakes of a History Teacher we are doomed to repeat them”
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September 21, 2018 8:35am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I read the report on CGT by Alan Reynolds
  It recommends that a LOW rate is best.
  Since Australia have had CGT since the mid 80’s.
  We could extrapolate that if the lower the tax rate the better……then Zero would be best, if you already have a CGT.
  So why would we bring one in?
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:49am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    The Interim Report went on and on and on about ‘fairness’ and ‘social capital’.
    
    So steal capital from businesses and rental owners (ie a wadge of what is really just inflation), but this somehow helps ‘social capital’.
    
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    September 21, 2018 11:24am
MCos

Some poor sod in Myanmar has been sent to prison for seven years for criticizing defacto leader Aung San Suu Kyi on Facebook. He was also fined $US64
The Lady has fallen a long way since she won the Nobel Peace Prize.
https://asiancorrespondent.com/2018/09/burma-jails-ex-columnist-who-criticised-aung-san-suu-kyi-on-facebook/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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September 21, 2018 8:39am
- cmm
  
  USD64 doesn’t sound like much until you realise that is about a week’s earnings on the average wage and every penny counts.
  
  But they also gave it to Mandela (head of a terrorist organisation that killed tens of thousands) and bomber-in-chief Obama who killed many, so a Nobel Prize doesn’t quite have the shine it used to.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:51am
  - holysheet
    
    Nelson Mandela was in his study when the doorbell rang. he opened the door and a little Japanese bloke wearing bottle bottom glasses and holding a clipboard was standing there. “You sign here for derivery please”
    Mandela looked up and could see a large transporter carrying a dozen Micra cars, he said to the little Japanese guy “I’m very sorry but you have come to the wrong address”
    The little Jap looks at him and says ” You mean you tell me you not Nissan Main Dealer”?
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      holycrap, the subtlety is devouring. Link, please.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:13am
      - double d
        
        Stupid boy.
        
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        September 21, 2018 2:49pm
    - cmm
      
      Obviously a joke.
      
      Like all good comrades, Mandela wouldn’t go anywhere in anything less than a Merc.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:56am
      - kowtow
        
        Like all good comrades they splash out on themselves while the Plebs go without.
        
        ‘Unimpressed Zimbabwean have taken to social media to raise their concerns over the chartering of a plane for the Mugabes amid the cholera outbreak.’
        
        http://zimbabwestar.co.zw/social-media-anger-ed-hires-private-jet-ill-mugabe-grace/
        
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        September 21, 2018 2:10pm
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm,
    
    “Mandela (head of a terrorist organisation that killed tens of thousands) and bomber-in-chief Obama who killed many,…”
    
    ???
    
    The U.S. Government Had Nelson Mandela on Terrorist Watch Lists Until 2008. Here’s Why
    
    http://time.com/5338569/nelson-mandela-terror-list/
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:51am
    - cmm
      
      Not much point in reminding you again because you just keep forgetting like the last many times I have provided this info.
      
      Sorry stephie I won’t play Google for you this time.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:55am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm, dare you!
        
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        September 21, 2018 10:56am
- DigNap15
  
  She is just doing a good job for her people!
  A muslim free Myanmar would be a good thing
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    Alt-right insanity in fine form!
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:14am
  - MCos
    
    Who exactly are ‘her people’?
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:28am
    - MCos
      
      You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about, DigNap.
      
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      September 21, 2018 11:25am
- GoVege
  
  Jeez..What power does to people?
  And I remember well her speech about “kindness”.
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:16am
Poppa

Cindy is off to the UN to do some puff interviews on TV. Didn’t look like any meaningful meetings were on the agenda.

Other than feathering her nest for her next assignment what the hell is she going for actually?
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September 21, 2018 8:46am
- MCos
  
  PM Key spoke at the UN in 2009, 2013, 2015, 2016 in recent times. Maybe more.
  I doubt if anyone remembers what he said.
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:07am
  - Biscuit
    
    Exactly, MCos.
    
    The UN is really a waste of space, time and money.
    
    Everyone – little ol’ New Zealand included – thinks their voice is soooooo important but, at the end of the day, the Permanent Members of the Security Council get to decide what happens.
    
    Or, more and more, one of those Permanent Members gets to veto some decision that has been made that they disagree with.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:53am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Sounds like home.
      
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      September 21, 2018 10:41am
Thought Criminal

Because we had the sacking late in a Thursday, does that mean we don’t get a Freaky Friday bombshell this week?
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September 21, 2018 8:47am
MCos

‘We got dud advice’ Simon Bridges apologies to Housing NZ tenants.’
June-5, 2018

‘What cynical timing by this weak Govt; today we’ve seen a troika of unpopular plans to tax Kiwi families more, compensation for meth crooks & and more on the Meka Whaitiri saga’
Simon Bridges, yesterday

‘Crusher’ Collins must be breathing down his neck.
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September 21, 2018 8:47am
- Fletch
  
  To be honest, I think we’re all better off with P houses having been discovered and decontaminated. I think it was a good thing. Who wants to live in a house where P has been cooked up? I don’t buy that there is no danger to health.
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:39am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Contamination from cooking P is a real health issue
    Not so much from where people were just smoking it
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:42am
    - MCos
      
      That’s the whole point.
      People were evicted from state houses and in some cases lost their possessions because some self serving contractors detected what transpired to be harmless amounts of residue.
      Furthermore.
      Private landlords were, in some cases, put to unnecessary expense to ‘decontaminate’ their property.
      
      As usual, this being NZ, nobody’s head will roll.
      
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      September 21, 2018 10:04am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah, I get the point mcos – which is why I made the comment
        My Real Estate friends also say they lost sales because of the low level of contamination and that vendors got less for the house than they might of.
        
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        September 21, 2018 10:21am
    - Fletch
      
      Well maybe being tossed out of their rental will give them impetus to stop…
      
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      September 21, 2018 10:05am
      - MCos
        
        If everyone got tossed out of their rental for illegal activity there would be an awful lot of people milling around in the streets; not just in the lower end of the market either.
        Back in my flatting days me & my mates would have been looking for a new place every Monday!
        
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        September 21, 2018 10:41am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Only after a weekend MCos ? Piker !
        
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        September 21, 2018 4:44pm
- rangitoto
  
  He’s wrong. The advice was good.
  
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  September 21, 2018 2:52pm
lastmanstanding

If the Nats want to win in 2020 they need to do the following;
1. Give a John Key (retirement age) guarantee there will be no change to CGT ( we have had a CGT since the 1956 Income Tax Act,
2. Repeal the increase in refugees back to 750 per year.
3. Index personal tax thresholds to inflation.
4. Reinstate the Nats tax cuts dropped by the COL.

IMHO this would see them close to or over the 50 points and able to govern alone.

Bring back Stable Government.
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September 21, 2018 8:53am
- Richard
  
  You’ve got my vote. Let’s do this!
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:57am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Let’s fix this!
    
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    September 21, 2018 1:16pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’m a two ticks blueman, but
  They had those policies in 2017 and they did not get over 50%.
  They will need to promise a lot more than that
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:09am
  - starboard
    
    5) Change the law so that incompetent Judges can be sacked.
    
    6) Drop the browning down of NZ asap
    
    7) Consign the tow to the shithouse..with a triple flush.
    
    8) Reign in councils and their spending.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:48am
    - MCos
      
      There are local body elections next year.
      If the electors aren’t happy with their council that’s when they should be doing something about it, not expecting central government to interfere.
      
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      September 21, 2018 10:47am
      - hullkiwi
        
        MCos, we all know Kiwis whinge and then don’t do a flying fig about changing things. Local Government is the best example.
        
        We no longer have a proper media, asking the hard questions. For example look at Simon Wilson’s opinion piece in the Herald. As someone who has known about the Devonport scheme for over 12 months, I know the article is inaccurate and misleading, but are people going to be banging on Darby’s or Goff’s doors telling them to stop the waste of funds? NO they will not, instead these fools will be re-elected next year and matters will continue as in the past.
        
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        September 21, 2018 12:32pm
  - srylands
    
    Yes I agree. That is a pathetic list. My forlorn hope would be a National majority government, or with ACT, would embark on a lightening reform programme over 3 years, even if that makes them a one term government.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Encourage Private:
  Education
  Health
  Housing
  Welfare for ONLY the worst cases (intellectual and SERIOUS physical disability)
  Dole is temporary, on a sliding scale
  Maybe, 120% of what it is now for first 3 months
  100% of what it is now for the next 3 months
  80% of what it is now for anyone unemployed for more than 6 months (unless you come into the category or “worst case”.
  With a combination of Tax incentives and sale of state houses.
  Get the govt. OUT of the competitive market.
  This will massively reduce spending
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:57am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Plus eliminating working for families and using tax rates to encourage emlloyer/employee improvements in productivity, so that the employed can earn sustainable wages. The current situation is leading NZ to stagnation.
    
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    September 21, 2018 12:36pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Stagflation …inflation with no growth.
      
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      September 21, 2018 4:17pm
  - GoVege
    
    If we made recipients of the DPB get the contraceptive injection, the savings on bennies, state housing and corrections would take care of the national debt…
    
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    September 21, 2018 4:36pm
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION* 😎

Would you want a c**t like this for a neighbor?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12129076
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September 21, 2018 8:56am
Richard

”For a Prime Minister who desperately needs some basic introductory economics tutorials, getting the BAC up and running should be her most urgent priority.”

A bit of Biz window dressing will not help her. She really does need to complete at least Year 11 High School economics. Although I could say that about anyone who voted Labour/Greens or NZFirst in the last election.
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September 21, 2018 8:56am
- DigNap15
  
  Why would I want her to improve her performance.
  The more they stuff things up the better chance National has next election!
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    DigNap, National is a credible centre-right party, not looney extreme right or alt-right!
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:19am
    - DigNap15
      
      Ok, so are you going to vote National?
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:30am
      - stephieboy
        
        Of course and so long it does not associate itself with your looniness.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:41am
KevOB

Cindy week?
Working on the family history last night I googled a gt. grandfather name and up came a large collection of relevant pics. Among them Jacinda!
The pics seemed correct based on familial tests except for another outlier: Don Brash.
Puketifinau. Should I call Jan Thomas?
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September 21, 2018 9:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Go far enough back and you might find we are all your relatives.
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:09am
  - GoVege
    
    And all the other amammals too…. 🙂
    
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    September 21, 2018 4:39pm
Chuck Bird

This should be another reason why family should not be off limits in the case of Gayford.

Clarke Gayford talks about Barack Obama’s ‘lovely soft nose’ and Melania Trump invite

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12129137
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September 21, 2018 9:24am
- Inandout
  
  Lovely nose on Barry? Oh shit he is turning.
  
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  September 21, 2018 11:01am
lastmanstanding

BTW. The media the pollies and those outside business cant/dont understand why business confidence dropped and keeps on dropping.

It started at the time the COL cancelled the oil and gas industry literally over night without consultation.

Business people need to plan ahead in order to have a successful business.

I have worked in businesses that had a 3 year 5 year 10 year…………out to a 30 year business plan.

Now the further out the more general they get but you need to have some indication from the current Government of what their policies are going to be and most of all as in the oil and gas debacle No Surprises.

In fact Cabinet has a No Surprises Rule as regards the CEOs of Government departments and organisations.

So when a Government is making policy on the fly changing policy on the hoof and generally gives the impression it doesnt whats its doing little wonder that business confidence goes thru the floor.

And now we have consumer confidence at its lowest level since 2012 on the back of business confidence.

At this point in a new Governments life if it is governing competently then even if business doesnt like that Government confidence should be at worst stable or slightly lower.
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September 21, 2018 9:25am
DigNap15

Here a Maori vocab lesson for Jack Tame
The word is
Advocate
You guessed it, its not in either of my Maori dictionaries.

But I do advocate that Jack Tame gives u on his Maori language crusade. Its one reason why I never watch Breakfast!
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September 21, 2018 9:32am
- stephieboy
  
  Bigot, it’s here,
  
  ,http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=advocate
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:45am
- KevOB
  
  That would be covered under customary chiefly rank titles and function. The Orator is throughout Polynesia. They may recite genealogies depending on local custom. In an oral tradition society an Orator can be the repository of the land and title rights.
  
  This knowledge is all hidden from te reo teaching–it belongs on the marae and the rules can vary between them.
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:49am
starboard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107262339/papamoa-residents-assaulted-in-early-morning-home-invasion.

We know the offenders are ‘specials’ because Police have now stopped giving out the ethnicity of the perps. Why?
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September 21, 2018 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  starboard, possibly for the reasons it attracts your obsessive attention and bigotry.
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:43am
  - DigNap15
    
    So is bigot your word of the day?
    
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    September 21, 2018 10:02am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I see SB is leading with his chin again this morning.
      If you respond to his petty nitpicking, he’ll be in tears by lunchtime because MW hasn’t stepped up to defend him from the mean people.
      
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      September 21, 2018 10:22am
  - starboard
    
    No no shariaboy. I just report on violent thuggery, can I help it if the offenders are always maori or pacific islanders? You see shariaboy, I will not be silenced on maori and PI crime issues and I will continue to highlite their dreadful stats..unless DPF knocks me on the head.
    How about you start up a white persons crime check..you wont be very busy, I can assure you. And don’t call me a bigot, FB.
    
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    September 21, 2018 10:22am
    - stephieboy
      
      starboard, you just continue with your ” Bigots Watch”
      
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      September 21, 2018 1:24pm
    - GoVege
      
      P I crime rates are similar to the average.
      That’s because most P I women are devoted mothers and do their best to raise their kids well.
      Many of them put up with considerable abuse from their kids’ father in order to give their kids a secure upbringing.
      Plus they value education and have a strong work ethic.
      Thuggish Maori youngsters (and others) are just replaying what they have learned in their homes.
      It’s very sad for all concerned.
      And could be prevented if we stopped patronising Maori and applied the tough many of them need.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:02pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    So if 9 out of 10 offenders come from the same ethnic background, it’s bigotry and not statistics that helps predict the likelihood of the ethnicity of future offenders?
    
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    September 21, 2018 10:49am
- Nermal
  
  Ethnicity only brought up when asking for sentence reduction due to colonial oppression
  
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  September 21, 2018 12:54pm
Hugh Pavletich

CANADA: Torontonians overwhelmingly support new affordable housing, IPSOS poll finds …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-21-september-2018/#comment-3188903

CNW | The Majority of GTA Residents Agree that More Construction of New Homes will Help Housing Affordability, just not in their Backyards, a Home Building Industry and REALTORS® Joint Ipsos Poll Finds

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/the-majority-of-gta-residents-agree-that-more-construction-of-new-homes-will-help-housing-affordability-just-not-in-their-backyards-a-home-building-industry-and-realtors-joint-ipsos-poll-finds-693567121.html

GREATER TORONTO, Sept. 18, 2018 /CNW/ – The Building Industry and Land Development Association (BILD) and the Toronto Real Estate Board (TREB) have come together to shed light on voters’ priorities and issues for the upcoming municipal elections. Together, BILD and TREB represent all facets of the real estate industry. This is the second joint release of municipal election related poll results by the organizations.

“Last week’s poll data clearly showed that housing affordability and supply are key issues for GTA residents. Residents expect municipal politicians to tackle these issues in the upcoming election,” said Garry Bhaura, TREB President.… read more via hyperlink above ….
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Torontonians overwhelmingly support affordable housing, poll finds — just not in their backyard | Financial Post

https://business.financialpost.com/real-estate/torontonians-overwhelmingly-support-affordable-housing-poll-finds-just-not-in-their-backyard
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2018 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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September 21, 2018 9:53am
DJ Ward

I have had some recent experience with our Education system.

A nephew of mine has recently turned 15 and is in the process of getting level 1. He has however decided to leave school without that qualification.

His experience is like this.
He had a maths teacher who by all accounts was doing his best to be a good teacher. He however was Indian with a strong accent. My nephew and the rest of the class struggled to understand what he was saying. The system failed to pick up that my nephew and other students were struggling. The system just moves on and they get left behind.
He has a new math teacher now. She effectively turns up and doesn’t bother teaching. The class involves a cellphone use period.

He has given up on school. He is enrolling in more of a specialist course with 1:8 ratios that actually prepare him for life. Drivers licence, tractor and digger use, health and safety, 4 wheeler use, maths and literacy, etc. He will get level one in the course, over less time.
He will then do another specialist course that trains for police, military, security careers that will give him level 2.

I also had an experience from the same school when a friend arrived with her upset daughter. She had a dream of becoming a Nurse and science is a must pass. They were doing physics and the daughter just didn’t get it. She expressed this to the teacher. The teacher said “too bad, if you weren’t listening or cant figure it out, it’s your problem.” 2 hours later with some tutoring she could understand what the teacher was saying. Irony is her maths let her down badly so I taught the concepts instead. But she could have just as easily slipped though the cracks. Or the chasm.

And high school teachers want more?
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September 21, 2018 10:03am
- cmm
  
  You don’t need school qualifications to be educated or to go to university etc. Neither of my kids ever went to school. Both now have degrees (Computer Science and Mech Eng).
  
  As for quality of schools teaching science and maths etc, yup I’ve seen that too. I gave two kids who were failing maths badly a one-day tutoring session that got them B passes.
  
  Somehow 12 years of school teachers costing hundreds of thousands couldn’t achieve what I did in one day – for free!
  
  I’m not saying all teachers are crap. Just the majority.
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:15am
- stephieboy
  
  DJ Ward, seems to be a bit of school old boys beer swill goss laced with heaps of letting off steam gross exaggerations.
  
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  September 21, 2018 1:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Judging by how you can’t string a sentence together I’d say you missed a lot of school aye Stephie.
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    September 21, 2018 1:45pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    So it’s my nephew who’s mother I get to see most days. Doesn’t sound like gossip. In fact his looking at other options, talked about for a year or two was my idea rather than him just leaving school and getting some low wage job.
    
    Also I don’t drink so got that wrong as well.
    I left out other issues with teachers that he has had. One is so appalling he was removed from the school. First hand experiences are slightly different from gossip.
    
    I’ve noticed you often attack the credibility of the person but have little credible input into the conversation. That’s not the best way to prove something I’ve said is false, or an exaggeration.
    
    Obviously since we have world best, high literacy and numeracy, low dropout rates, gender equal tertiary education etc that we have no issues then.
    
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    September 21, 2018 3:41pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12129199

Woman found guilty of prostituting a 14 year old and attempting to defeat justice.

“Justice Mathew Downs told Kelly: “There is every prospect I will send you to prison, I have not made my mind up.””

Why the problem thinking about sending a sex trafficker to prison? Single mum!
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September 21, 2018 10:07am
- jcuk
  
  News story says she is 19yo which is wonderful she has a 14yo daughter ????
  
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  September 21, 2018 11:05am
  - jcuk
    
    I guess I got that wrong there LOL 🙁
    
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    September 21, 2018 11:11am
    - VicParking
      
      She is a single mother, the 14 yr old is not her daughter
      
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      September 21, 2018 12:44pm
      - GoVege
        
        Imagine having a pimp for a mum, even if she’s not actually pimping you (yet).
        But where do these people learn such appalling behaviours?
        It’s not like they have no income as in poor countries.
        It must be that this is acceptable to some sections of our society.
        
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        September 21, 2018 2:05pm
Gravelroad

Has anyone been reading the fertiliser beat-up stories on Stuff?
Today’s mockumentary could have been written by Golriz and probably was.
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September 21, 2018 10:12am
DigNap15

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12129202

That woman should be made NZer of the year and made head of the ministry of education department with a salary of 1 million dollars.
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September 21, 2018 10:20am
- Poppa
  
  I am with you DN.
  
  The problem with some people today is, they don’t like being told the truth. They prefer to live in their snowflake world blaming everyone else for their problems.
  
  It is teachers like this that can turn things around but it will take time unfortunately
  
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  September 21, 2018 10:47am
  - holysheet
    
    With the lying bitch Cindy as their role model, what else are we to expect.
    
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    September 21, 2018 11:03am
- MCos
  
  I doubt it’s the act of truancy that makes the kid what he is, but rather the other way round.
  
  My son was a little shit in his first year at secondary. Poor grades, low-life mates, skipping school. Right wing.
  Next year we changed his school and he was the total opposite. Diligent student. Capt of 1st XI & XV Went on to Vic. Left wing.
  Mows my lawns while I was away.
  What more could a Dad want?
  
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  September 21, 2018 11:15am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “What more could a Dad want?”
    
    That he wasn’t left wing.
    
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    September 21, 2018 11:22am
    - starboard
      
      Agree CM..we dont need anymore left wing loons (LWL’s)
      
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      September 21, 2018 12:30pm
  - Longknives
    
    I’m just struggling to believe that anyone who was Captain of the First XI and XV could possibly be a Leftie!
    Most Left-Wing males are weedy little weirdos who never played sports..
    
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    September 21, 2018 2:06pm
- The Heat
  
  Geez, she has done something that hasn’t happened in years.
  
  Increased my respect for teachers.
  
  She spoke the truth. She told them what WILL happen if *they* act like idiots and throw their chance of an education away. For the love of all that is good and true – make her head of the MOE. Today.
  
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  September 21, 2018 11:54am
- DigNap15
  
  One parent say he will pull his child from the school unless she apologises!
  I say let him do it!
  We need more people to stand up and tell the truth!
  
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  September 21, 2018 1:04pm
  - The Heat
    
    And others are planning a “group wag”. I say that is a great screening mechanism – tell all those who do it not to come back.
    
    Then you’re left with students worth teaching.
    
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    September 21, 2018 1:13pm
Longknives

I don’t know why I did it.
I read the ‘Isn’t Clarke Gayford just amazeballs?’ piece on Stuff- About all the Megastars he meets and how it’s ‘not such a big deal’ etc (because he is a TV star you know?)
I feel sick.
I wouldn’t advise reading it during lunch..
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September 21, 2018 10:57am
- sooty
  
  If only he could breastfeed!!!
  He would be the perfect man!
  
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  September 21, 2018 12:11pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    You never know what goes on behind closed doors.
    
    It’s a fetish apparently.
    
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    September 21, 2018 3:46pm
MrTips

Someone at The Listener has the rose-coloured glasses off and is telling it like it is: https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/is-the-government-all-talk-no-action/

NB: Dear WordPress and America. Colour is spelt colour. The U actually means something. If I wanted a color I would have asked for one.
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September 21, 2018 10:58am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes that American idiot changed a few words to a simpler spelling, but he did not change them all, so its a big mess.
  
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  September 21, 2018 11:40am
RF

What’s going on. The Police per the head honcho Mike Bush threatened to arrest anyone that invaded First Fishes privacy.

Christ, in spite of this threat now gods gift to women is having chats to selected audiences disclosing tit bits of information concerning the trip to the UN with Squirrel and the commie.

In addition we have been reminded just how great his girl friend is and how world leaders and media are fighting to have an audience with her.

We are thrilled to hear that Obama has a soft nose…..

FFS pass me a bucket… no wait … something bigger please.
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September 21, 2018 12:08pm
- sooty
  
  I want to know what was first fish doing to be touching his nose?
  
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  September 21, 2018 5:46pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It’s called the hongi.
    PC racist cultural cringe in other words.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:17pm
krazykiwi

1. Mandated adoption of solar/wind power + ETS-type levies lead to increased energy prices.

2. Increased energy prices lead to the US Department of energy reporting:

About one in five households had to reduce or forego food, medicine and other necessities to pay an energy bill, according to the report. “Of the 25 million households that reported forgoing food and medicine to pay energy bills, 7 million faced that decision nearly every month,” the report stated.

3. Energy poverty leads to more demands for ‘government energy supplements’ – effectively calls for more socialism

4. So, mandated solar/win + ETS-type levies leave to more hardship, more poverty, more socialism … and of course more government which was the source of all this pain to start with.
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September 21, 2018 12:43pm
- DJ Ward
  
  WOW
  You went way of into the talking rubbish pit today.
  
  Since power spend was at its lowest it’s hard to make a high price argument or falsely atribute blame on renewables. The research makes it clear the issue is with low income, mostly solo mums etc.
  
  The suppliments were for those low income groups. Trump cut it and the article is a Trump hit job. Supplementing those people subsidises all producers of power. Not just renewables. Like we do with our subsidy. Rent subsidies go to corporate parasitic landlords as well as the one rental retired landlord.
  
  Then you mention mandated levies. Why is it the solar and wind companies are creating wind, hydrothermal, and solar projects without subsidies, creating contracts at lower rates than current prices?
  
  You must be stuck in Y2K or haven’t read anything on the subject for a long time.
  
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  September 21, 2018 4:08pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Because they’re not.
    
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    September 21, 2018 4:58pm
VicParking

Trump Stories:
As Trump passed out supplies, one boy approached the president. “Can I have a hug?” he asked.
“Yes!” Trump said enthusiastically, embracing the boy to the delight of the crowd.
Democrats:
Trump molests 10 year old boy before he would give him emergency supplies.
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September 21, 2018 1:05pm
- stephieboy
  
  Vick PArking, the joke is?
  
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  September 21, 2018 1:20pm
  - Swifty
    
    You.
    
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    September 21, 2018 1:24pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Fuck I was about to say the same thing myself and you said it for me.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:19pm
All_on_Red

PERVWATCH
A division of Groperwatch
Today we look at one of Kiwiblogs Biggest Creeps.
Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY
This sleezy creep has had Strikes for linking to porn sites on KB.
Who has such a lack of judgement.
Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY.
An admitted PERV who said this:

‘19,565 COMMENTS
stephieboy
Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
Thumb up 7 Thumb down 36REPLY REPORTAUGUST 21, 2016 8:51AM’

‘Honeypots’!!!
And this;
Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
Thumb up 1 Thumb down 16REPLY REPORTDECEMBER 3, 2015 2:26

Wow, just wow.
PERVWATCH is brought to you as a public service to out the creeps amongst us.
Stephieboy is PERV #1
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September 21, 2018 1:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Wed.con,
  
  Toddler tamer tants getting to you again?
  
  https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/toddler/toddler-behaviour/toddler-tantrums-taming-the-terrible-twos/news-story/0b65459cf2747acaa751a2e34ba03242
  
  LOL!
  
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  September 21, 2018 1:32pm
  - All_on_Red
    
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    Seen your Doctor yet?
    https://m.wikihow.com/Be-Less-Perverted
    So funny
    
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    September 21, 2018 1:34pm
  - Longknives
    
    You have to admit Stephieboy-
    That ‘drooling over young honeypots’ phase you went through was more than a little creepy….
    
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    September 21, 2018 1:59pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Longknives, only to your twisted and unhinged mind!
      
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      September 21, 2018 3:17pm
  - Poppa
    
    You are becoming quite a Google expert Stephie
    
    Did you have this saved to favourites?
    
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    September 21, 2018 2:51pm
Swifty

Again I ask, what are we going to do with immigrants who once here begin systematically rorting our institutions?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107212250/the-big-scam-how-our-immigration-system-is-being-rorted
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September 21, 2018 1:29pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t know why they bother rorting the paperwork when Cindy will just open the door for them.
  
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  September 21, 2018 1:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m shocked. Not so much at the content (which is alarming enough), but at Stuff. The story bears a passing resemblance to investigative journalism.
  
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  September 21, 2018 1:39pm
- simpleton1
  
  So are these immigrants using these scams, much value to New Zealand?
  
  The ones feeding on the work visa, resident systems, and although the ones being scammed are totally prepared to rort the system, to gain a future citizenship.
  
  Just what ethics are being allowed to be practiced in New Zealand and will they become ingrained into our systems?
  
  Doubt that those corruptible practices will change, except to other forms scamming, once the so called victims are legally in New Zealand, as ways and means to slip past GST., ‘cashies’ income tax, etc..
  
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  September 21, 2018 4:01pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, this has been going on for years.
    Why do we let them in?
    The IRD and the Labour department should catch them and then fine the “immigration consultants” who let them in.
    
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    September 21, 2018 4:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The 10 Commandments of Logic

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12128625

An interesting opinion Piece on civil discourse from Chris Gallavin – the only one in the Massey Hierarchy to dissociate himself from the Vice Chancellor’s stance on Don Brash.
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September 21, 2018 2:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, coo! Just learn to further hone your critical thinking skills by keeping away from Anthony Watts ,Ross McKitrick and related bizarre climate cahnge deniers .
  
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  September 21, 2018 3:23pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    Cool. Just learn to further hone your self-restraint skills by keeping away from young girls at St Lukes and related shopping malls.
    
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    September 21, 2018 7:16pm
srylands

I am not a Piers fan but I agree with him on this.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12129198
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September 21, 2018 2:22pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes all obese people should be fat shamed. Its nothing but gluttony and visual pollution.
  
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  September 21, 2018 4:55pm
  - srylands
    
    I just think there is a limit. Someone who is 155 cm tall and weighs 130 kilos should not be glamourised and celebrated.
    
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    September 21, 2018 6:07pm
- The Heat
  
  It’s so all the fem-porkers can justify their mass consumption of food resources.
  
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  September 21, 2018 6:10pm
UpandComer

Im calling it. There will be no blue wave. Im going to be specific. I think the Republicans will lose maximally 11 seats. 42 to 32 majority. Its easy to forget that the Lugenpresse are the Lugenpresse.
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September 21, 2018 3:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Love the Nazi slogan.
  
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  September 21, 2018 3:21pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Hopefully with what a group of Dems have done in the SCOTUS debacle, that the US wakes up.
  
  Every man, every mother of a son should be terrified at what has occured. This the evil of feminism and there hatred of men.
  
  No male is safe. No male teachers, now no male judges, then politicians, then CEOs, then, then…..
  
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  September 21, 2018 4:21pm
krazykiwi

Emirates potentially taking over its unprofitable cousin Etihad

Dubai’s flagship airline Emirates is looking at taking over unprofitable neighbour Etihad, according to four people familiar with the matter, in a move that would create the world’s biggest carrier by passenger traffic.

The talks, which are at a preliminary stage, would see Emirates acquire the main airline business of Abu Dhabi’s Etihad, which would keep its maintenance arm, according to the people, who asked not to be named because the matter is confidential. The negotiations could yet fall through, they said.

Both airlines initially declined to comment, before later denying that any talks were underway. Were a transaction to go ahead the enlarged airline operation would be bigger than that of American Airlines, which has a market value of $US19.2 billion ($26.3 billion).

I do a bit of flying. This could be interesting in terms of traffic to/from NZ.

As for the negotiations ‘falling over’, there’s no love lost between the respective ruling houses – Al Falasi (Dubai) and Al Falahi (Abu Dhabi) – so its certainly not a done deal.

Al Falahi bailed out Al Falasi as the GFC took a hold. Dubai had all the debt, and Abu Dhabi had all the oil. Rumour at the time was the House of Al Falahi wanted Emirates as part of the security.
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September 21, 2018 3:44pm
howitis

You have done some truly good work this week DPF with detailed analysis in several areas including Jan the Ban at Massey and Ardern’s economy of truth over Handley.

Well done.
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September 21, 2018 4:15pm
Steve (North Shore)

Something for a Friday afternoon. I hope this song stays in your head all weekend.
(Hope the link works)
https://www.facebook.com/thomas.moseley.773/videos/10213870243124698/?fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDJRGvjMpRmrDX3VoE1HASX_14ycD-XYn3P_n9hneI0_lfF-UwLPlJJrKK1eLtT79GF8IgV0-w7EzJsDEgtLdL16Cr7j9IiNLyrsGeYacK2yJICHKtl3rG5bbLU5IMQp-IeaPg3LXbras9IZhqazKK1qU5zSGhdoRUT3Z1c_26vtZ1AW2m-IhUC2L-ZXTRs4ZItxEHvZ4PUR-wsAqFhC1KRVupC11hjB3dO1Qk&__tn__=K-R
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September 21, 2018 4:43pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Brilliant.
  The dog looks a bit fat and lazy as well.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:27pm
GoVege

Apparently 100,000 newborn lambs have frozen to death in recent weeks in NZ.
Can’t farmers be expected to provide adequate shelter for their animals?
Surely even planting a few trees might help protect them from the worst of the weather???
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September 21, 2018 4:43pm
- DigNap15
  
  This happens every year.
  Surely there is a way to avoid it!
  
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  September 21, 2018 4:54pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Not a farmer, but I understand it’s a calculated risk: bring the lambs on earlier for fatter lambs & profits -vs- later for more safety from lingering winter weather
    
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    September 21, 2018 6:22pm
    - nasska
      
      When Britain took most of our lamb kill the race was on to produce a lamb that could be killed early enough to reach their Xmas market.
      
      I was under contract to supply X no. of lambs of a certain weight during a specified time frame (ie fat lambing) & therefore bought in weaned lambs to grow on. Nevertheless my breeding stock still lambed mid August.
      
      Without writing a book about the subject there are two factors at play. One….ewes don’t cycle until the days start to shorten then once they’re in lamb they won’t drop for approx 147 days. Two….for the first four weeks they’re largely dependent on the ewe’s milk. Ideally the lamb should start to graze just when the grass hits its early spring growth (when the protein level is the highest).
      
      The cocky can play around a bit with dates but overall nature dictates.
      
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      September 21, 2018 6:42pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nasska: can’t you keep those rams locked up until later?
        
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        September 21, 2018 8:06pm
      - nasska
        
        Not really. A ewe’s cycle is 17 days & estrus only last for a day. The length of the day (or in my opinion the colour of the light passing through the atmosphere) dictates when estrus occurs & its not an off/on switch.
        
        Put the rams out too early & they’ll nail a few early cyclers…..too late & there’s a chance that you’ll miss some who have finished cycling. In any case ongoing management dictates that you want lambing over & done with in the shortest timeframe.
        
        There’s also the matter of optimum quality of feed & that dictates the month of lambing.
        
        Some factors are out of a cocky’s control ie a mild vs a harsh winter. In harsh winters the ewes are in poor condition when they lamb. If they can’t keep up to the demand on their milk the lamb is less viable when the weather turns to crap.
        
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        September 21, 2018 8:20pm
- nasska
  
  ….”planting a few trees”…..
  
  I wish it were so simple GoVege. Trees shelter out to about 2.5 x their height but if the animals congregate under them & turn the ground into unhealthy mud the effects can be worse. In the summer those same trees provide shade but also harbour blowflies which leads to flystrike.
  
  I’d love to show a few bleeding heart “provide animals with shade” nuts the effects of flystrike. Even more I’d love to hand them a knife & get them to remove the maggots & cut away the rotting flesh.
  
  Anyway, unless you’re right in the middle of lambing losses aren’t usually too high. Young animals can handle wet & they can handle cold but wet & cold kills. If the mother gets time to clean up the lamb & get a feed into it things are generally okay.
  
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  September 21, 2018 4:55pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Yep, it was the week long cold and wet snap on the East Coast that is the major culprit. The South Island got a fair dumping of snow, but didn’t have the same problems as it cleared up relatively quickly.
    
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    September 21, 2018 5:01pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

How the fuck did that marxist shithead R.Norman escape without conviction for his pretty clear breaking of the law (jumping in sea in front of a seismic surveying vessel, when getting close is pretty clearly illegal)

“…unlawful for any person or group to interfere with or damage any ship, structure or equipment used in offshore petroleum and minerals operations. It also relates to interference with any activities being carried out. For example, it can take kilometres for a seismic survey vessel to alter course when its streamers are deployed. Intentionally getting in its path – even if several kilometres away – could fall under this provision”
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September 21, 2018 4:53pm
- Viking2
  
  Soft cock judge one would say.
  
  Mansfield said prosecution claims of risk to safety were an overstatement, the protest was “low-level civil disobedience” to bring about change, for the benefit of the community and future generations, and convictions would discourage freedom to protest.
  
  Mansfield said the pair were prepared to donate $3000 each to Coastguard New Zealand as part of the outcome if there were no conviction.
  
  Bribe to the coast Guard.
  The slimy bastard will never stop crowing.
  
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  September 21, 2018 7:13pm
DigNap15

Who or what is Te Whetu Tawera?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12103233

This piece of sh.. has committed crimes all over the world. How does he get away with it?
Australia, Canada and NZ.

PS My Maori dictionary says that Whetu means Star.
There is no entry for Tawera
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September 21, 2018 5:17pm
- nasska
  
  Te Whetu Tawera is the Auckland District Health Board’s Acute Mental Health Unit for adults. It has 58 beds, which includes 12 Intensive Care Unit beds.
  
  https://www.healthpoint.co.nz/public/mental-health-specialty/auckland-dhb-adult-acute-mental-health-unit/
  
  Blame will be heaped on the psychiatrist who discharged Yad-Elohim but cursory research suggests that these 58 beds are considered sufficient for the high end mental health needs that 510,000 people likely need.
  
  Blame instead should be heaped on the wretched harridans, Shipley & Clark, who oversaw the closure of residential mental health facilities. It was they who, in the pursuit of the almighty dollar saving, allowed this to happen.
  
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  September 21, 2018 5:39pm
  - starboard
    
    Yes I remember that well. Templeton Hospital in chc was shut down in the 90’s and all those poor bastards basically turfed out into the street.
    I chuckle now when I see Shipley in court for being an incompetent director of Mainzeal.
    Aint karma a bitch.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Te Whetu Tawera.. in Maori refers to the Morning Star….
  (in reality … The planet Venus)
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/diagram/5182/the-solar-system
  
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  September 21, 2018 6:10pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    ‘in reality’
    Yes, if ‘reality’ is defined only to include cultures that refer to that particular planet as ‘Venus’.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:04pm
Jack5

The student visa rort looks worse than expected.

If these allegations are true, NZ permanent residence is being offered for $35,000.

What a soft-sucker country NZ has become.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107212250/the-big-scam-how-our-immigration-system-is-being-rorted
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September 21, 2018 6:06pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But according to National and Labour and a chorus of commentators, immigration is vital to boost our economy, because we need more restaurant managers and other highly skilled professionals.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:02pm
nasska

A 90-year-old man goes for a physical. All of his tests come back with normal results.

The doctor says “George, everything looks great. How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with God?”

George replies “God and I are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so He’s fixed it so when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, poof! The light goes on. When I’m done, poof! The light goes off”.

“Wow, that’s incredible” the doctor says.

A little later in the day, the doctor calls George’s wife. “Ethel” he says, “George is doing fine! But I had to call you because I’m in awe of his relationship with God. Is it true that he gets up during the night, and poof, the light goes on in the bathroom, and when he’s done, poof, the light goes off?”

“Oh shit!” exclaims Ethel. “He’s pissing in the refrigerator again!”
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September 21, 2018 7:46pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  This might be a good time to take a trip down the faith healing memory lane:
  
  Last night, Mr Subritzky said he did not see himself as a healer, but instead introduced people to the “healing power of the Holy Spirit”. “I have been doing this for 40 years. If it was not genuine, the Catholic Church wouldn’t allow me on to the premises.
  
  Lots of people popped up on the thread to tell us about miracles!
  
  Fletch:
  
  I actually knew personally an elderly priest who was prayed for and became taller. … He is dead now unfortunately.
  
  Don the Kiwi:
  
  I know of two people who have had miraculous cures. I know a priest who also has this gift. A woman in our parish whom I know was diagnosed with terminal cancer – 6 months to live. Fr. Alex prayed over her, and a day or so later she felt much better. The following week, went in for x-rays, the cancer completely gone. This was about 5 years ago, and she’s still happily going around.
  
  Another priests, Fr. John Ray, also has this gift. There is a documented case in Hamilton of a young man who was a talented violinist. He has a car accident which badly crushed his hand which was unable to be surgically repaired. Fr. John prayed over him, and with days he could use his hand again.
  
  An occasion about 30 years ago when I was living in Australia, I had my two young boys in the car to go to an important event. The car had been getting hard to start, and this morning wouldn’t start – battery dead flat. Briefly, the boys and I prayed the “Our Father” At the end of the prayer i turned the key and the engine roared into life.
  
  KevOB:
  
  Healing requires faith but the Holy Spirit is the agent and provider. We cannot command that God acquiesce to our desires but God may meet our needs. I know personally of many healings and can testify to divine intervention in saving my own life, in a near miss car accident, when the car was invisibly pushed back about 6m to allow us all to proceed safely.
  
  And you popped up on the thread, Nasska, with one of the all-time Kiwiblog comments by “Lee01“:
  
  I saw a girl with nothing more than a stump at her wrist because her hand had been severed in an accident healed. She got a new hand after prayer at a healing meeting. Thats just one. I have seen many more, and many other things of the spiritual realms besides healing. Wake up Jack, the Matrix has you….
  
  Oh what fun we had back then!
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:10pm
  - nasska
    
    Perhaps only the faithful get to witness miracles Nostra.
    
    Or more likely their insight is due to overactive imaginations & half a bottle of gin. 🙂
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:28pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s a bit more sophisticated than that, nasska. Watch British illusionist Derren Brown show how the scams operate:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuP5uOI7Xwc
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:48pm
    - KevOB
      
      It would take faith to recognise a miracle.
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:26pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Perfect Godnutter circular logic.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:42pm
Rachael Membery

Now this is a Principal that I can respect.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/education/fraser-high-school-principal-virginia-crawford-under-fire-for-controversial-speech/
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September 21, 2018 7:56pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You never skipped classes, Rachael?
  
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  September 21, 2018 7:59pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Actually quite a few, I was more the solitary one, child of working parents, school teachers ironically and I was tasked with getting myself to school, when it came to college I didn’t go often. I was in the second highest stream at school, those that took music were technically highest.
    So I took geography, history, german, etc as prescribed for students like me.
    
    I passed SC English accredited, (it was the first year that they did that) I was allowed to sit S.C . because my parents interceded for me, I was the first to walk out of four of my exams and I was the second to leave German, all at the first opportunity, I nearly passed all of them, I was accepted into 6th form but never went.
    
    I had my first child when I was 17 years and 9 months old, I was married to his father, we got engaged when I was 16, we got married when I was three months pregnant, we separated when my son was three months old.
    
    Does that qualify me to have an opinion?
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:19pm
    - wiseowl
      
      Go Rachel.
      That principal is right.
      People don’t like the truth.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:39pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        That was 1978, that son is 40 this year, how rude lol. I was lucky that I had a good basis prior to my waywardness, I attended many courses while he grew up and I was on the DPB, but there really wasn’t any requirement to finish any of them, the regime is supposedly different now.
        
        My advice to anyone is to stay in an exam for the whole time and fill in every space. I did real estate papers to Licensee level early 2000’s and I even opened my own real estate company, but in 2005 when I was trying to encourage my second son to pull his head in, I took a Writing for University purposes course after talking to someone at a College vocational day, I got accepted for Law for 2006 and I did that and a B.Soc. Sci conjoint, at Waikato.
        
        I passed Law in 2010 but could not justify the time to finish the B.Soc. Sci and did additional papers as no longer a conjoint and completed the B. Soc Sci from 2015-2016 majoring in Philosophy.
        
        My three children, two from a second marriage are all employed, one as a truck driver, one just doing his apprenticeship for a job that he has been doing the work for for a number of years, but his pay might as well be commensurate, so he is doing the paper work as he already does the practical and the third is a qualified chef.
        
        I have mainly been self employed, neither of my husbands have contributed financially to their children and I have raised them on my own, I was lucky to have some family money if you count having to have court cases as lucky.
        
        I feel qualified to have opinions on a large range of topics lol.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:07pm
      - RF
        
        Rachel.
        
        Go you good girl … I salute you.
        
        Seriously.. heaps of respect…..
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:46pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What you needed was a principal to tell you that you were “another student who will end up as a statistic, that’s another loser, that’s another wannabe”. Very motivating words, I’m sure. Kids today get too much encouragement – they need a principal who’s not afraid to call children losers.
      
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      September 21, 2018 8:52pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        That they will be losers if they do not make the most of the opportunities afforded them.
        I was difficult then and apparently I am still difficult now, I absolutely believe that someone needs to tell it like it is, PC has gone well and truly mad.
        Life is not fair, you have to make your own luck, but reading and writing as basics, every person should have.
        
        Good on the Principal and as a woman who is not the hated white, she can say things that would get others including me shot, someone needs to say it, and no it will not resonate with all the youth, but some, any, is a win.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:20pm
Viking2

So last year’s $300m package has become $339.2m and last year’s 10,500 houses have become 7000.

Instead of the Housing Infrastructure Fund, Twyford and Goff talked today about the new Urban Development Authority.

Labour revives housing project in Whenuapai and Redhills, reveals $339.2m plan for 7000 homes

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12129225

Housing Minister Phil Twyford is progressing a housing initiative in Auckland which began under the National government last year, funding services to bring thousands of new homes to Whenuapai and Redhills.

After last July’s $300 million plan for 10,500 new houses in the two areas, Twyford and mayor Phil Goff have just announced a startlingly similar scheme.

Another National Plan gone to Labour with a less for more program.

We couldn’t make this shit up.
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September 21, 2018 7:58pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  There goes that leftie variable arithmetic, with a roving decimal point again.
  Math is a huge problem with socialists
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:48pm
- wiseowl
  
  Trouble is CB , it doesn’t matter what plan is implemented if National and Labour continue to allow 70,000 immigrants to arrive every year.
  Until someone sees sense and restricts immigration to enable things to balance out we will get nowhere.
  Insanity .
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    I doubt there will be any change until there is some really drastic party that scares shit out of people but promises to secure our borders and clean up immigration corruption.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:17pm
Jack5

If a ruthless political promoter with deep pockets wanted to wipe out the NZ Green Party, a Disney style feature film would be a devastating way.

I’m thinking of animation making heroes of NZ’s gutsy little tahr mountain goats. Eugenie Sage of the Greens has announced a mass slaughter of these little critters, which graze near the tops of the Southern Alps. The aim is to kill at least 17,500 of them. Don’t be fooled by the word “cull” – the Greens would prefer to have the whole tahr population slaughtered.

The Greens are like other fanatics. A little brainwashing and you could have them switch targets, but remain just as ruthless.

Doubtless much of the tahr slaughter will be done with military style rifles fitted with latest scope sights – firearms hated by the Left. They will be fired from helicopters – gun ships. I hope Richie McCaw, now a pilot, has the nous to stay away from this slaughter.

https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/rural-life-other/plans-huge-tahr-cull-upset-otago-hunters
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September 21, 2018 8:32pm
- RF
  
  Sage was / is living with the boss of DOC.
  
  Could be a conflict of interest if true.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    I see that Sage is also a former press secretary for Helen Clark.
    
    Is Sage’s partner, Richard Suggate, head of DOC? The article I link to here describes him as “partnership development manager”:
    
    https://livenews.co.nz/2016/10/07/jobs-at-doc-richard-suggate-partnership-development-manager/
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:59pm
    - RF
      
      Join the dots. That’s him. Presume he is still the current squeeze.
      
      Pillow talk concerning culling Thar would be interesting. I know a few hunting sportsmen who are very pissed about Sage….,
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:42pm
RF

I see First Fish has been invited for tea and cupcakes with the boss’s wife.

The poor bugger has been on a tight leash so I hope he does not disgrace himself and start humping her leg..
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September 21, 2018 8:38pm
- Jack5
  
  Melania’s gorgeous. When he gets back to the hotel and sees Jacinderella, Gayford will mutter into the mirror, “What the fuck have I done? Bloody PR.”
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:47pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    She’s no Michelle Obama, that’s for sure.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:54pm
    - Jack5
      
      Are you being a bit hard on Jacinderella, Milky?
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:02pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  First fish will be reprimanded sternly in one or more of many languages if he trys to be smart and cute with FLOTUS.
  
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  September 21, 2018 8:54pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    She would be used to dealing with crass manoeuvres from pussy grabbers.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:56pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Like Bill (I did not …)
      Must be who you refer to Mike
      
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      September 21, 2018 9:04pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Btw Mike, that uptick you got was from me, you prick!
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:06pm
      - Jack5
        
        Steve, are you saying: Like President Bill?
        
        The politician who led to this distortion of Rudyard’s famous cigar quip:
        
        A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a poke.
        
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        September 21, 2018 9:12pm
starboard

We know, dont we..again, Police wont tell us the hue of the offenders..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/northland/107284869/man-82-assaulted-by-two-hitchhikers-in-northland-before-they-stole-his-car

and another..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/107264404/Youth-inmate-bashes-female-staff-member-at-Christchurch-youth-prison
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September 21, 2018 9:09pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Obviously white illegal aliens from Antarctica, who else could it possibly be?
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:24pm
- DigNap15
  
  So how do they tell to look out for suspects.
  Height, weight, Tattoos, Hair colour.
  
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  September 21, 2018 9:55pm
DigNap15

That will allow Andrew Little to reduce Maori offending, as all criminals will be New Zealanders!
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September 21, 2018 9:56pm
Jack5

A diversity dividend across the ditch.

An Australian of the Year finalist proves to be corrupt, a con woman:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/tower-of-lies-comes-tumbling-down-around-australian-of-the-year-finalist-20180919-p504rj.html
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September 21, 2018 10:30pm
- simpleton1
  
  Just goes to prove, you do not need to go to university to gain a couple of great degrees, like 2 PhD’s
  Nor do you have to repay any student loans.
  Over a decade of an easy life, with many honours, government recognition, and further top jobs.
  
  Then after gaining the well paid positions plus recognition, just became a tad too greedy with an audit picking up a misappropriation of $100,000
  
  But then when we see how universities are run here, why not?
  Just what value is a degree?
  
  Just do not be slow cashing your assets and transferring to another country. 🙂
  It seems to be new system of ethics in globalization.
  
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