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September 20, 2018 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 20 September 2018

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radvad

According to Winston just a few short weeks ago the needs of 50000 homeless New Zealanders took priority over refugees. Now Winnie is welcoming more refugees.
Obviously there are no homeless people left in Aotearoa. This government are miracle workers.
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September 20, 2018 8:00am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  What did he get for bribing Labour?
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:05am
  - G152
    
    And where were the greens representatives at the ‘disclosure’ ?
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:08am
    - Tricati
      
      Still out looking for homeless to count & I thought before the election they new exactly how many there where.
      
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      September 20, 2018 8:15am
  - dave_c_
    
    The bigger question is ‘What have Labour agreed to give him, in order to have him change his mind, and allow a further 50k refugees into NZ?’
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:17am
  - kevn
    
    @Steve NS… whinney doesn’t come cheap.
    Just in time for the UN summit meeting.
    Fancy that.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:29am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right kevn there is going to be a price paid again by the taxpayer for old Winston First to get back on board. The silly little girl is an a high in anticipation of her big event at the UN and as always lets things slip in all the excitement. Today numerating not just the latest person promotional move of lifting refugee numbers (in 2 years..shhh) for kudos in that area of UN concern. She also blurted out how the earlier O&G Captains call would help her addressing fans of global warming at the UN. The whole path she is following is an orchestrated promotional pitch for her benefit propped up with support from the old drunk. Many will also note that the baby picture restrictions from the Speaker do not extend beyond our shores. It reverts to the baby being an essential accessory required for this trip needing also some self propelled baggage. Then we get this gem from her: “For me, it’s about making sure I’m the best representative for New Zealand I can be while abroad.” Could it be a lucky break for NZ that as the the COL cracks right apart before she is exposed by figuring prominently in the Hardley fiasco the UN throw her a lifeline?
      
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      September 20, 2018 5:48pm
  - Philview
    
    I read comments elsewhere that the bargaining chip may be electoral reform. This could entail lowering the current 5% threshold or letting 16 & 17 years olds vote. This is speculation but Labour have hinted this year that they want 16 year olds voting.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:44am
    - sooty
      
      Why are the teachers indoctrinating the kids?
      
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      September 20, 2018 8:47am
    - gorse
      
      16 year olds are more likely to vote for Labour, do this and we will have a permanent Labour Government.
      
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      September 20, 2018 12:35pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        … and the path to Venezuela-like ‘reforms’ will be in place.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:46pm
    - Paulus
      
      No – it is for a reduction in the MMP threshold from 5% to 3% -so if Peters loses half his voters (7.5%) then he still gets across the line and keeps Ardern in as PM with him running the place still.
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:49pm
- Paulus
  
  What have the Labour Party got on Peters enough to royally screw him on this. He looked very uncomfortable beside Ardern on the announcement of this. Must be serious.
  Fishing or Horses perhaps.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:05am
  - sooty
    
    Must be all of them kiwibuild homes takeing the pressure off the housing.
    What are the fakeugees going to live in their old cars!
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:08am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Or those 39m2 apartments the banks won’t lend on.
      
      Mike Hosking this morning was irate about the stupidity: everyone knows that banks won’t lend on anything smaller than 40m2!
      
      Twitford really is just that!
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:29am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Paulus- he will have negotiated a deal for either himself or Jones to be gifted a guaranteed electorate seat at the election in 2020 – or prior if needs be – in return for supporting the refugee influx.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:23am
    - Piniwi
      
      Suspect Gravelroad much more than that since the old drunk already has that the the secret 38 page a agreement signed sealed and locked in unlike the deal Labour assumed they had.
      
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      September 20, 2018 5:53pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Of more concern is signing up to the UN over their making decisions on our immigration policy.
    NZ First better not cave in to that one although I wouldn’t trust Martin.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:28am
    - Jack5
      
      NZ First could partly redeem itself over caving in on refugee numbers by tackling the choice of refugees.
      
      Why are the persecuted Christians of the Middle East largely excluded from the UN’s refugee stream?
      
      Why are refugees to NZ overwhelmingly Muslim rather than the persecuted Christians of the Middle East and Myanmar-Burma?
      
      https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination-3748
      
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      September 20, 2018 11:57am
      - GoVege
        
        Yes…a country based on Christian principles should surely take Christians.
        There are plenty of wealthy Arab countries that need to be pressured to take Muslims.
        
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        September 20, 2018 12:41pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Funny thing Jack5 was the pictures floating around heralded this announcement that had very conspicuous head-wear adored “refugees”. Not forgetting the current make up of the UN being dominated by robe clad representatives who don’t have any “”quota”.
        
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        September 20, 2018 6:00pm
  - igm
    
    Maybe more money for Jones to squander on his Northland cuzzies, so as to try and buy the seat to keep NZ First afloat after next election.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  This gubmint ( and their media party) campaigned on there being a housing crisis , now they plan to make the alleged problem worse by bringing in more people who will need social housing , not to mention all the problems they bring with them.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:08am
  - hullkiwi
    
    You have to overlook the need to import people and supplies to build the houses/accommodation to house the builders, the immigrants and the fakugees. Great, not! We need more government like this not!
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:19am
- Scott
  
  Okay I did defend Winston Peters the other day when I said at least he was stopping 1000 men named Mohammed from knocking on our front door.
  
  Unfortunately they are going to be here after all. Can I just make a request that the government find social housing for them in Auckland near where Jacinda lives? Then she can personally go over and see them and bring them cups of tea and ham sandwiches. What can possibly go wrong?
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:17am
  - kevn
    
    @Scott…. How many Christian and SA Farmers will come I wonder?
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:32am
    - dubya
      
      Or Parisian Jews!
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:22am
  - igm
    
    Wait till one of them takes a shine to Te Atatu and want her to move in and wear a bunka.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:42am
  - Harkman
    
    Oh Phil and Cindy don’t want the carpet kissers in their electorate. They’ll be sent to places where they’re less likely to fit in, Hamilton, Palmy and Invercargill.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:45am
    - backster
      
      You mean Shane’s regions.
      
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      September 20, 2018 10:49am
      - Woz
        
        Shane’s nether regions. Plenty of room.
        
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        September 20, 2018 5:40pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    If they bring in South African farmers then they will most probably settle outside of Auckland in our rural areas. Better for everyone. Hard working, rural folk who will intergrate. Perfect!
    Trouble is SA farmers are not top-tier virtue signalling fodder for Cindy’s UN trip.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:56am
    - igm
      
      WK: Knock it off, SA farmers are white, straight, and self-supporting with brains. Gnashers wants leeches, losers, liars, and layabouts . . . they fit the Labour mould.
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:11am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Oops! I’ll await my pickup to the gulag educational retraining. ? ?
        
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        September 20, 2018 12:46pm
    - Tarquin North
      
      I thought they all lived in Browns Bay.
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:49am
      - waikatogirl
        
        TN, I was talking actual farmers. I guess if they have had their farms stolen it will mean a change of employment, so you could be right.
        
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        September 20, 2018 12:49pm
    - riffer
      
      Biggest problem with SA farmers getting in that way is that they are not yet declared as refugees. If a few more of them get murdered, that could well change. Then they absolutely would qualify.
      
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      September 20, 2018 2:34pm
    - Piniwi
      
      But waikatogirl while some fit your image of them unfortunately not all do. Ahead that though is the biggest hurdle of all since those that make up the refugees we receive are only UN approved. Don’t think white SA displaced people have been recognized or supported by the UN. It is however great virtue signalling for the silly little girl who is leaning heavily on this to have petals spread across her path in the UN as they all sing Kumbaya.
      
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      September 20, 2018 6:14pm
  - tf78
    
    Scott – Ham sandwiches must be compulsory and eaten in front of her.
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:16am
- Harkman
  
  No everyone is missing the obvious on this one, Winston just your typical lying politician that promises one thing in opposition and does another in government. Keep it simple, he’s a f_ckhead.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:38am
  - GazzaW
    
    Unless I’m misreading the public response NZF voters feel totally betrayed by Peters. The next poll is going to be very interesting.
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:18am
  - dave_c_
    
    Yer – we need to lower the ‘top end age’ of eligibility to enter parliament to say n years. That oughta clear the swamp somewhat !
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:03am
    - Harkman
      
      Dave, I want to give you 1,000 thumbs up ?for that one. 100%
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:47pm
- Lance
  
  The CoL can publicly pick out the 500 NZ residents who won’t get a home as result. I am sure they will understand.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:39am
- Felt
  
  Can Phil Twyford actually make more than 1500 houses int he next 3 years just to house these refugees?
  Actual new houses and not just those that are just bought off developers!
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:41am
  - GazzaW
    
    It’s all dependent on how many 39 sq metre studios Phil can incorporate into the total.
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:57am
    - mark15
      
      That’s fine,our newest wave of doctors,engineers and brain surgeons from the Horn of Africa won’t need to get mortgages.
      
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      September 20, 2018 12:05pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I believe that the gubbermint will buy the Kate Sheppard house; Twyford will claim it as a Kiwibuild.
    
    I wonder which Muhammad will get that little gem; don’t fancy the chickens that are being left behind chances and how will they cope with the swimming pool that has more water than they have ever seen in one place in their lifetimes?
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:25am
    - Paulus
      
      The price is $3.75 million and I did not know that Kate Shepherd still lived there !
      Could help a lot of young Teachers or Nurses with that amount.
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:54pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Cowerlition
  
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  September 20, 2018 11:39am
holysheet

Two doctors who studied geriatrics were watching Winston hobbling down the pavement outside the Green Parrot and noticed he was going very slow with his legs spread apart, and he was hardly bending his knees.
The first doctor said, “Looks like a serious orthopedic gait disorder. He’s probably exhibiting early stages of Parkinsonism.”
The other doctor didn’t agree. “No, I suspect it’s just arthritis. But he may be suffering from the adverse effects of medications due to polypharmacy including perhaps sedatives.”
“I still believe it’s probably Parkinsonism. He is walking too slow, and his legs are jiggling a bit and too far apart,” said the first doctor.
“But, it may be due to adverse effects from too many medications,” said the other doc.
“Perhaps, but I’ll bet you a lunch on my analysis. Let’s go politely ask him to see whose analysis is the closest to his condition.”
They approached Winston and said, “Please excuse us. We are geriatric doctors and do research and noticed your slow tedious and careful walk. We couldn’t agree on possible causes of your condition. Would you mind sharing with us what condition you have?”
Winston replied, “I’ll tell you what is wrong with me, but I would like to hear your thoughts first. Then, I’ll tell you if you are correct or not.”
The first doctor said, “I believe you may be suffering from the early stages of Parkinson’s disease. Or, a problem with your central nervous system?”
“Sorry, but you have guessed wrong,” said Winston.
The second doctor said, “I believe it’s probably just arthritis you suffer from? Or, perhaps adverse effects from over indulging in the drink?”
“Sorry, but you have guessed wrong also.”
“Well, please tell what condition you have?”
Winston smiled, “I suspected I was going to fart…but I guessed wrong too.”
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September 20, 2018 8:00am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and how the CoL was born.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:21am
Steve (North Shore)

Jacinda, stop and think. The next word you say is probably a lie
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September 20, 2018 8:01am
- cmm
  
  “No it’s not. I never lie.”
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:04am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Wonder if the SLG ever reads this blog?
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:06am
    - sooty
      
      No, but I bet her staff do ten times a day!
      
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      September 20, 2018 8:11am
      - dave_c_
        
        I don’t think so – they are so up themselves, and believe they don’t have to consider others’ views.
        
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        September 20, 2018 8:19am
      - howitis
        
        If they did they would still transpose it wrong.
        Then when caught out in a lie they would say they were answering another question.
        For example:-
        When the answer is ‘yes of course it will rise’
        We thought you were asking about rapefugee numbers;
        when in fact the question was about GDP numbers.
        
        Confused?
        Reply from PMO: Of course, that’s what we intended.
        The Prime Minister is skilled and has a degree in obfuscation from The University of Waikato.
        …and would you Kiwibloggers stop referring to her as a Silly Little Girl.
        Clarke with an E did this and has had to grow a beard to cover up the scars.
        
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        September 20, 2018 8:45am
      - RF
        
        Yep.. At least 5 out of her staff of 30 will be reading this and marking cards for future punishment.
        
        The refugee camps might just have another purpose so watch for rolls of barb wire and guard towers being positioned.
        
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        September 20, 2018 8:54am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I know her staff read this. There’s a fairly active program to try and put names to handles if my sources are correct.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:52pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Have not seen Mike this morning – in damage control again?
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:09am
      - GazzaW
        
        ….along with steffieboy who has been AWOL all week.
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:32am
      - sooty
        
        They have been called into Fraser house for retraining by ztev.
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:48am
    - lilman
      
      I can tell you they definitely do . they actually have people reading and commenting on blogs every day.
      Niece has done so and has to pass comments on to spin doctors before it is released. She works four a Labour Minster in his office.
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:32pm
  - VicParking
    
    Open and transparent
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:38am
  - skyblue
    
    Learnt from Clarke. ‘I won’t come in your mouth.’
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:55am
    - RF
      
      Talking of mouths, the vivid red lipstick and pale makeup worn by Cindy emphasis the size of her mouth.
      
      It gets bigger when she scowls at the opposition benches.
      
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      September 20, 2018 10:58am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      That is not how babies are made either!!!! ;).
      
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      September 20, 2018 11:59am
- oldpark
  
  @Steve(North Shore)
  Even half her lies are not true.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:25am
  - GazzaW
    
    It’s Friday tomorrow. What disaster will be revealed by Labour? It’s a golden opportunity with Ardern heading offshore on Sunday.
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:35am
Sofia

3.5 million Syrian refugees are in Turkey. Ninety percent of Syrian refugees in Turkey live outside of camps and have limited access to basic services.
– https://www.worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/syrian-refugee-crisis-facts

I do hope Ardern is very selective in whom she virtual signals New Zealand’s new quota to at the United Nations, since 500 extra is just one seven thousandth of those refugees in Turkey.
1 / 7000th
Then … taking effect from July 2020.

Truely “virtual signalling”
virtual adjective
1 almost or nearly as described, but not completely
2 not physically existing as such but made to appear to do so
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September 20, 2018 8:02am
- Paulus
  
  Surely we are not able to choose our UN Immigrants – they are selected for us by the UN experts.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:08am
  - secondcumming
    
    Yep, think *Sainey Marong*……the butcher from Gambia.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:16am
- Rachael Membery
  
  So who is going to live at Mangere in the mean time, it can be ‘our’ Auckland homeless.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:11am
- freethinker
  
  An opportunity for National here – house all the homeless in the new facility and when COLL have housed all the NZ Homless re open the refugee quota.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:56am
holysheet

With Cindy away is the drunken dwarf with her?
Does this mean Kelvin coming out of witless protection will have the top job?
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September 20, 2018 8:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Does not matter which Muppet gets to wear the crown, the court jester will continue to run interference and defence; even Special K looks good with Mallard playing.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:08am
- RF
  
  Noticed a news video of Peters walking in amongst normal sized people.
  
  Now I know where the expression – ” All mouth and trousers” comes from.
  
  I presume he wears shoes as the trouser legs were very wide at the bottom.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:03am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Notice how his suit jacket hangs on him these days. His shoulders no longer fill the suit. He’s shrinking with loss of muscle or losing weight as he gets older.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:54pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      He is deflating. All the bullshit he spouts is finally making a dent on his form.
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:01pm
cmm

Interviewer: Prime Minister you have probably heard the rumours that there is a GFC coming. Any comments on that?

Cindy: Thanks Mike, yes they are a great band, one of my favourites, and I’m sure most kiwis are grateful this government’s strong policies attract acts like these to Aotearoa. National had nine years and it didn’t happen.
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September 20, 2018 8:04am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  My answer is correct, but the question could be wrong
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Clark said on MH this morning that Sage ‘may have misheard the question’ after the stoush on Parliaments steps yesterday.
  
  Sort of like Spec Savers ads; ‘should have gone to Bay Audiology’
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:11am
  - harrygee
    
    These days it is impossible to really know which Clark(e) is which when it comes to political defenses.
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:21am
- Philview
  
  “There is a GFC Coming” She replied ” I am a vegetarian and don’t eat chicken.”
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:47am
Paulus

I wonder how the Isle of Man and the Cook Islands feel after learning that they were not the first countries to give women the vote !
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September 20, 2018 8:04am
- G152
  
  None of the feminazis have mentioned the men who passed the law that gave women the vote.
  Now, I don’t wonder why that is?
  
  And what of their sisters in the Middle East who still cannot vote???
  Not a whisper
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:11am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    I always understood that NZ women where given the right to vote, they did not WIN the right.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:18am
    - waikatogirl
      
      There was a petition delivered to parliament in a wheelbarrow with 30,000 signatures. A big deal for the small population of the time. The Suffragettes did have to campaign hard to ‘win’ the right to vote.
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:02am
      - VicParking
        
        Just like you can win a kiwibuild house, 18 winners in the first raffle
        
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        September 20, 2018 11:43am
  - MCos
    
    From what I can find out the only democratic country that doesn’t allow women the vote is the Vatican.
    The most recent to follow in the Pitcairn’s footsteps was Saudi Arabia.
    Any further information would be welcome.
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:59am
- MCos
  
  Obviously they both couldn’t have been the first.
  Pitcairn Islands beat both of the them followed by Isle of Man, NZ and Cook Islands a few days later.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:28am
- RF
  
  Paulus
  
  That’s ok. Ole mule will just sprinkle fairy dust and re-write history.
  
  Isle of Mans women’s right to vote in 1881 will be changed to 1894, a year after NZ.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:52am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Another lie?
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:12am
Inandout

A spokesperson for the Mangere Refugee Centre admits to Garner that it may take two years for a refugee to get a job, and not all get one. So we treat these pricks to a luxury that a poor pensioner can only dream about. This woman is looking at getting even more millions from the taxpayer for new buildings. Fuck you Winston.
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September 20, 2018 8:04am
- igm
  
  Sonny Bill thinks that HDPA is out of order in her reference to leeching PIs. Being a Muslim, he would disagree with anything truthful, especially the adjective “Leech”, which is depictive of the vile religious mongrels to which he belongs. In fact, he would not be missed if he returned to league — but he is possibly surplus to needs there also.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:05am
  - sooty
    
    Would’n it be great. Over the hill and over there!
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:14am
  - Inandout
    
    The imams will even tolerate massive tattoos if their Sonny Bill spreads the word and converts any Polynesian to the cult. He is Islam’s extremely important fanboy.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    igm,
    
    “.. he would disagree with anything truthful,..” ??
    
    That is what is known as a rich irony alert!
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:54am
  - RF
    
    Poor old SBW. It appears he has taken too many punches to his head.
    
    His ramblings confirm this as HDPA was talking about the corrupt Island Govt and not the citizens.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:14pm
- Harkman
  
  Someone did a study of refugees a couple years back. An unemployment rate of like 28% and a participation rate under 30%. Great!
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:49am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Harkman, who exactly was that ” someone” ??
    
    Whale blubber or you?
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:58am
  - igm
    
    We once organised work for a couple, also referred them to accommodation for their families . . . we were screwed good and proper . . . never again.
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:03am
  - RF
    
    Spare a thought for the elderly Kiwis who will look with envy at the refugees moving into brand new purpose built homes with modern appliances and decent heating etc….
    
    Something is not quite right here… unable to put my finger on it….. sarc !!!
    
    If you want to know what we are in for just look at what’s happening in the UK and Aussie.
    
    You will be sorry….
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Someone did a study of refugees a couple years back.
    
    It’s probably from Guerin et al 2004:
    Who are the most unemployed people in New Zealand and what can we do about it?
    https://ojs.victoria.ac.nz/LEW/article/download/1299/1159
    
    For recent refugees (<6 Month in NZ) –
    In work -26%; Unemployed – 38%
    
    For refugees (5 years or more in NZ)
    In work -38%; Unemployed – 23%
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:53am
    - Niz
      
      And yet, I’ve just been reading comments by economists telling us that refugees are a net economic benefit to the country. Those articles always seem absent of any actual figures to back up their claims though. Those unemployment figures lead me to think they’re talking cobblers.
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:13pm
      - Harkman
        
        Yep not sure it was that study but it sounds similar. Anything under 60% participation is a welfare catastrophe.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:56pm
Paulus Gnome

The man on the Clapham omnibus congratulates DPF on his OIA regarding the shameful freedom of speech censoring by Massey University.

https://youtu.be/o6ZePI7JqqE

Vice-chancellor Jan Thomas has to go!
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September 20, 2018 8:05am
- gorse
  
  Excellent, we need to hear more from people like this.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:20am
- igm
  
  Best she take Sonny Bill with her . . . seems they are on similar pages.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:05am
- calendar girl
  
  Why is that Aussie woman Thomas still Vice-Chancellor at Massey University? Her actions in question were an appalling assault on freedom of speech and association in our country, but Massey fails to face reality and to act on principle.
  
  When will other members of Massey’s University Council (four of those appointments able to be made by the Vice-Chancellor herself) do their duty to this taxpayer-funded institution and start the process of restoring its seriously-damaged reputation? Formal notice* of Ms Thomas’s termination of employment is long overdue.
  
  p.s. *With the minimum notice required under her contract, no additional ‘golden handshake’.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:36am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Gallivan usually has more to say for himself.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:03pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Jan the Ban is being censured by Massey uni, but will not be going anywhere.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:59pm
Chuck Bird

Quick chat by Elliot Ikilea about David Farrar’s report on Massey University suppressing Free Speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZePI7JqqE
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September 20, 2018 8:05am
sooty

Off to see the kindergardens and school kids today Cindy. Just as well they do not ask hard questions or that would stump you!
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September 20, 2018 8:05am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  All good, she has name tags sewn into her clothes . . . . .
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:13am
  - RF
    
    And a nice red apple for the teacher…..
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:26am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The teacher would prefer a pay rise . . . .
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:05pm
Souvlaki

So, convicted embezzler Donna Awatere Huata has commandeered another carriage on the Maori Gravy Train as “Maori Climate Commissioner” ! A few random questions : was this a ‘shoulder tap’ appointment, or advertised and open to other applicants? What is the salary and accompanying perks? What are the goals ? How are they being measured? What is the budget and in view of previous criminal embezzlement , who is auditing the show? Who created this meaningless ‘jobs for the whanau’ type role in the first instance ?
Let’s put Nick Smith or Melissa Lee onto the case !
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September 20, 2018 8:06am
- sooty
  
  Who hired her!!!
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:15am
  - dave_c_
    
    Me thinks nepotism is (and perhaps always has been) alive and well in NEW ZEALAND.
    Perhaps it’s normal for those who would rather call NEW ZEALAND, aotearoa.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:28am
    - Jazzby
      
      Quite right. consider this:
      Maori culture = tribalism
      Tribalism = nepotism
      Nepotism = corruption
      So….Maori culture = corruption.
      
      A sweeping generalisation, I know, but not too far from the truth, perhaps.
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:20am
      - KevOB
        
        By non-Maori standards you’re close.
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:30am
    - howitis
      
      To get these roles you need to have the correct gmail address to send the application.
      Make sure you have the correct account and Ministers can have any number of Gmail accounts.
      
      eg if you are applying for the Role of ‘Commissioner of Approved Free Speech’ send it to Clare_ComFrSpch@gmail.com
      not
      the role for Commissioner for Counting the Homeless which is Carmel_Cnt_H_less@gmail.com
      nor
      the Commissioner for Collecting Plastic bags from Waterways which is Kelvin_witles_plastic bog@gmail.com
      
      and definitely not
      the new role of Commissioner for Kindergarten Visits which is Cindy_Kindy@gmail.com
      
      Speak to a Labour MP near you and for the appropriate fee, ah, donation to Labour fundraising, the gmail address can be supplied.
      
      Public Service Announcement (PSA)
      All roles are advertised and acknowledged except where they are not.
      You may ask questions and we can give the answer to any or all questions we feelz like answering at that time.
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:44am
      - RF
        
        It also helps if one of your parents is a convicted criminal. Ask Sweet cheeks and Sepuloni.
        
        I’m sure there are others but those two will do in the interim.
        
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        September 20, 2018 10:06am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Cindy_Kindy@gmail.com
        Bwaahahahaha
        
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        September 20, 2018 10:33am
      - howitis
        
        RF
        Awatere’s father died in jail in 1976. He was there for murder. A very savage killing with a knife that left blood of the victim on the ceiling.
        
        This murder was in 1969 and it was pretty difficult to get a murder conviction as NZ preferred to keep the ‘murder ‘ count down. Eg David Tamihere got a manslaughter conviction for the killing of a prostitute in 1972.
        
        Wikipedia is precise
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arapeta_Awatere
        Teara does a typical brownwash
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/5a27/awatere-arapeta-marukitepua-pitapitanuiarangi
        He was a great guy and it was all a misunderstanding even though he went to the guys house with a knife.
        Now let’s all play Dance to my ten guitars and talk about the good old days before the white fella came.
        
        If you read Donna Awatere’s 1996 book, half of it was about what a great guy her murderer father was.
        The apple and the tree….
        1996 ‘My Journey’
        For a giggle here is the intro:
        ‘An inspirational story of a war hero’s daughter- and how through radical education, education, motherhood and business drive she helped transform a nation’s view of itself. This is a founding document for a modern New Zealand.’
        
        Sadly under the current crim promotion scheme run by crim hugger extraordinaire Andrew Little, Donna Awatere, being Maori, would not do jail time for non violent fraud even though the judge in 2005 saw fit to send her straight to jail with no pissing around.
        Even violent crime in NZ now leaves you on the streets to continue your ‘career’ .
        
        Sorry, I hit Report instead of reply. Error.
        
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        September 20, 2018 11:32am
      - howitis
        
        RF
        more
        
        By way of note, chubby old Robertson benefited from crime.
        He was in living Dunedin and went to Otago Uni.
        He would not have qualified for full bursary as he was local but because his father was convicted and went to jail the family lost the income stream (plus bonuses from the ‘theft as a servant’ his father engaged in)
        As a consequence Robertson received the full bursary even though he was still ‘living at home’.
        This was on one of his profiles last year. Can’t find it now. Mmm.
        
        Grant Robertson benefited from criminal activity.
        It is interesting to note that his first role when he finally left university was doling out taxpayer money to Samoa from a multimillion dollar fund.
        The more things change the more they stay the same.
        
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        September 20, 2018 11:43am
  - wiseowl
    
    Things get worser and worser.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:38am
- Tricati
  
  Please let it be Melissa Lee – She’s intelligent, articulate, well researched and smartly dressed. All that Cindy wants to be!!
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:39am
  - DigNap15
    
    You mean all that Ardern should be!
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:13am
- VicParking
  
  Its not a government appointment but one by the “Sir Mark Solomon-led Māori Carbon Foundation, a private carbon trading business which plants forests on communal Māori land.“
  Even this stupid government would not dip so low as to appoint her to a place at the COL trough.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:47am
  - KevOB
    
    Is Ngai Tahu trying to extract carbon credits from the govt too presumably having tax free status elsewhere?
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:36am
  - backster
    
    It will be a trough though. It will soak up a bit of Shane’s slush fund.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:09am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Apparently the fraud convictions are not an issue as not public money, buy I am not sure how it is not public money, even if it has been washed a few times.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:18am
- calendar girl
  
  Some good questions for an OIA request as well, Souvlaki.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This is a private organisation.. Not Government funded (at the moment)… A Maori led company
  https://www.maoricarbonfoundation.com/about-us/about-us/
  
  These are clever folk who will milk NZ’s Carbon Credit scheme for all that it is worth.
  Check out the Governance board
  https://www.maoricarbonfoundation.com/about-us/governance/
  
  And the Team
  https://www.maoricarbonfoundation.com/about-us/the-team/
  Some interesting names there
  
  I’m hoping we might get a few more trees planted on Private Land.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:53am
  - harrygee
    
    Decades in the trough already and they’re all back for more. A “private” organisation that is inevitably going to benefit from public money as this thing progresses. Making good use of land and Treaty settlements to benefit the few and not the many Maori of Northland and elsewhere.
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  Maori. Climate. Commissioner. WTF?
  
  Virtue signalling was once the domain of a few throw away sound bites.
  
  It’s now the domain of legions of trotters & snouts, fully engaged and slurping.
  
  Disgusting.
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:16pm
JibberJabber

Not just Jacinduh that`s dodging the media,
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12127814

Little knows he`s on a loser, he can`t confess why he wants more criminals on the street, but we all know, like Clark before him he understands it`s cheaper to pay compo to victims than lock the scum away.
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September 20, 2018 8:06am
- sooty
  
  Be a different story if the victims family were allowed to shoot him!
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:17am
srylands

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/107210179/victoria-university-of-wellington-continues-support-for-name-change
Idiots. It is the same mentality that gives us the Island Bay cycleway. Double down in the face of evidence that this is a very stupid idea. Because unlike businesses, there are no consequences of making bad decisions.
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September 20, 2018 8:06am
- wiseowl
  
  It would be interesting to see some emails about this issue .
  No intention of listening to peoples views at all.
  Leftist bastards.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:46am
  - srylands
    
    The VC on radio this morning acknowledged that the submissions were against the change.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:58am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Vice chancellors seem to be de rigeur, something about the name?
      
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      September 20, 2018 12:10pm
Colville

I am in Venice currently.
Talking with a young tour guide today, massive concerns about Venice being trashed by tourists that don’t pay anything
I thought NZ has this problem too.
Just not as bad.
Venice gets 30 million tourists a year in 3 km2
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September 20, 2018 8:08am
- MCos
  
  Don’t they have a GST or similar over there in Italy?
  Not only that you are paying that tour guide’s wages and he presumably pays his taxes etc etc
  
  Same when tourists come here.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  I bet they don’t let freedom campers park up on the Piazza San Marco and crap in the canals. You only get to do that at the Castlecliff reserve in Whanganui.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:51am
  - MCos
    
    Whanganui ain’t no Venice of the South.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:03am
    - VicParking
      
      Not what our council’s failed publicity team ‘Whanganui and Partners” has got to say. We are the next big tourist destination for New Zealand.
      Remember when the river floods we ARE the Venice of the South.
      
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      September 20, 2018 11:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I thought the Whanganui was “The Rhine of Maoriland”
        
        http://thenewzealandjournal.blogspot.com/2010/02/whanganui-river-rhine-of-maoriland.html
        
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        September 20, 2018 12:43pm
  - Wangas Feral
    
    My old man and some mates drove a jeep into Piazza San Marco after they had liberated Venezia during the war. He said they nearly started a riot. His company was assigned special duty by Freyberg to capture the Hotel Danielli to use as the NZ Forces club.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:24am
DigNap15

Its really time that we (National or Act) started cutting back on these separate Maori positions.
If Climate Change is a worry, then its a worry for us all!
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September 20, 2018 8:09am
- tf78
  
  I thought the legend was that Maui fished up NZ – so maybe there is a chance it could sink and disappear again if his line were to break.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:34am
- freethinker
  
  Also time to remove the charitable status of Nasty Tahu which is really a property developer and hospitality operator, although they probably paid a few $ to some very special as opposed to just special Mawrrii for a facial Tatto to justify being a “Charity”.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:10am
DigNap15

Here’s Two Maori Commission Position that I would like to see created, and for them to actually do something.
The Maori English language speech and diction commissioner.
The Maori Have Some Pride and Get A Job Commissioner.
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September 20, 2018 8:11am
- Gravelroad
  
  I predict the new Commission will include sections to legislate for Māori control of the airwaves and the sea waves – as demanded previously but not actioned.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:30am
  - VicParking
    
    A return of the ‘nga kai tuku iho’ practices to maori control starting with the return of McD’s, KFC and Lion Breweries to IWI.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:57am
- freethinker
  
  Probably hundreds more to list but here’s a few –
  Commissioner to stop Maori Family violence
  Commissioner to stop Maori Gangs
  Commissioner to stop Maori drug use
  Commissioner to improve Maori Literacy & numeracy.
  Sure Glitter Tits can find a few squillions for such worthy causes.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:13am
secondcumming

I’ve been following with some interest the travails of *Brett Kavanaugh’s* bid for his appointment to the US Supreme Court.

Given all the shit that’s come out of the woodwork, it’s made me realize that with everything that went down here in the late 80’s early 90’s, the best thing I ever did was maintain an extremely low profile over recent years 😎
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September 20, 2018 8:11am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh. Plus, I don’t see what liberals hope to accomplish by this. Do they think Trump will next nominate someone in favour of abortion, LGBT, abolishing the 2nd amendment, and in favour of open borders? Of course not. His next pick will be conservative as well. And his next. Or are they hoping to knock off one person at a time until no conservatives are left to choose from?
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:50am
- Harkman
  
  Why didn’t the woman report this crime years back?
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:53am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Saw a picture the other day
    A “Hooters” waitress holding a 2YO, he had leaned over and had hold of her tit (for balance I suppose)
    Caption:
    “He better not get nominated to the supreme court in 40 yrs.”
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:24am
  - howitis
    
    Why did Monica hold on to a cum stained dress for years without dry-cleaning it?
    Why indeed.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:53am
- VicParking
  
  Just don’t apply to become a member of the surpreme court.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:58am
- RF
  
  It’s bloody scary when you think of what we as hot blooded males got up to in our youth.
  
  All consensual at the time with occasional assistance from the demon drink.
  
  In theory now you could get a door knock concerning a former partner suffering from repressed memory.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:19am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Plenty of females and transsexuals could also get that knock on the door. For instance touching, kissing men or other women without clear consent, etc. Touching people who perhaps were reluctant but put up with it at the time or just afterwards regretted allowing it. There are many shades of ‘consent’, tacit at the time or wrongly interpreted.
    
    A transsexual ‘woman’ not that long ago became way too close and touchy with me. I had to make things a lot clearer than she at first understood or accepted. If I wanted to make a fuss about that, I could. But once I really put my foot down she left me alone.
    
    I’d been too nice for too long (trying to maintain a friendship), and too ‘huggy’ in what I thought was a friendly way but was wrongly interpreted by her.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:18am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      No good deed…….
      
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      September 20, 2018 12:13pm
Left Right and Centre

Forty Kiwis have taken out Lotto First Division – the most winners in the games’ 30-year-history – but they will only walk away with $25,000 each.

Have Labour even got their grubby socialist hands on the lotto draw ?
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September 20, 2018 8:12am
- stephieboy
  
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  That’s what happens when you get forty 1st division winners.
  
  Quite simple Ms Simplteon.
  
  DUH!
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:15am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy,,,it’s gotten so bad that it’s normally only myself now that answers your dribble,you moronic cretin, you are aware that ztev has been banging your livestock while your back is turned…..
    
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    September 20, 2018 1:11pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I have heard rumours about Labour taxing Lotto winnings – they see it as income
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:51am
  - igm
    
    That, along with heavier taxes on investments, and increased GST, will be high on their agenda.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:59am
- VicParking
  
  No if it was a plot by Robbo one million people would have got $1 less capital gains tax, GST and ACC levies.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:00am
- alwyn
  
  Just look at the numbers.
  3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13.
  People pick their numbers and are then surprised that a lot of other people have done the same thing.
  If the winning numbers had been 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 and 11 I suspect you would have been down to about $2,500 and I have heard that 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 would return about $700.
  If you are going to bet just take a random dip. The odds are exactly the same but you are much less likely to get a lot of people with the same set who you will have to share the money with.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:18am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    25k better than nothing.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:18pm
gorse

A good article on Whaleoil about the Massey University VC
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September 20, 2018 8:14am
- tas
  
  Link?
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:43am
  - igm
    
    Try this
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/brash-calls-fo-massey-vcs-head-to-roll-but-the-dopey-woman-doubles-down/
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:00am
  - gorse
    
    Got to be careful about saying “link”. I did a couple of weeks ago and got abuse from a “contributor”, he called me a knob if I remember correctly. You seem OK, maybe he has grown up in the interim.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:43pm
Poppa

Dear Cindy

I hear you got a text & an email from Mr Handley who you apparently hardly know?

So how did he get your phone number? And how did he get your personal email address?

Apparently you did not answer him? Why not? That seems rather rude don’t you think?

I await your response

Cheers
Poppa
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September 20, 2018 8:14am
- sooty
  
  I see first fish was at a dinner with him.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:20am
- waikatogirl
  
  She has proven herself as a liar, so you can’t believe anything she says Poppa. Consequently all I hear now when she opens her mouth is ‘blah de blah…’
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh come on, Jacinda… he’s your old mate:
  
  Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Mr Speaker, as I acknowledged the very moment I was asked this question, I have known Mr Handley for a number of years and have had correspondence with him for a number of years.
  https://yournz.org/2018/09/20/release-of-curran-emails-in-bungled-handley-appointment-deferred-to-oia/
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:43am
  - artemisia
    
    I don’t get the many references to release of Ms Curran’s correspondence under the OIA. It looks like an attempt to weasel out of an early release by staying within the OIA timing requirement. Hoping that the issue will have died a death by then.
    
    In fact the clock starting ticking at least last week, maybe earlier when the first release requests were made.
    
    It is not necessary to quote the OIA in a request. The clock starts when requests are made.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:56am
    - KevOB
      
      The OIA requests allow a delayed response.
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:40am
      - KevOB
        
        In the House yesterday several Ministers referred to it as the way they would respond. Is this a new policy? It seems to have sufficient fish hooks that Sir Humphrey would be pleased.
        
        http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources-and-publications/guides/official-information-legislation-guides
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:50am
- VicParking
  
  “I did not respond to him directly” which means my staff read the email, told me about it and I told them what to reply.
  ‘Hi Derek still coming around for the Barbe on the weekend. Will give you the job description and ask you what salary you want then. Have a think about being Neves godfather we would love that. See you about 5’
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:06am
oldpark

Another flip flop by NZs snake oil flipp flopper Peters. It was bad enough when he voted for tax cuts for pensioners on fixed incomes before last election ,once he got their votes he reneged and voted against the tax cuts.
A few days ago he, cap in hand spoke about the many thousands of NZs who were either homeless or desperate for a home. Seems NZS saviour for himself once more reneged on what he said was paramount for NZs.
With Commie Chic Comrade Ardern soon to be off to big note in the UN and the far left Lunatic Green party he flip flopped and decided it was better to allow at least 1500 strangers to come to NZ and be housed over above NZs born citizens.
Seems snake oil Peters when it comes to self preservation knows no boundaries. Even to the point fugh NZs born homeless or home seekers.
It is little wonder with Peters in charge of NZs well being and economic future that business and consumer confidence is the lowest in 6 years. What a bloody indictment and a disgrace of what an out of control self appointed meglamaniac can do to a country like NZ.
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September 20, 2018 8:15am
- gorse
  
  Ah, but Adern said it was tax cuts for the rich.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:22am
Sofia

“The Government will fund the expansion of public housing supply for around 150 extra refugee families at an estimated total cost of $32.5 million over three years,” Iain Lees-Galloway said. – https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/refugee-quota-increases-1500-2020

However, the six $380,000 KiwiBuild [Onehunga] studio apartments were just 39.2 sqm in size [until, apparently, someone remembered to count the balcony as floor space, to push it over 40 sqm to qualify for a bank loan ]

So what do around 150 extra refugee families get for budgets that work out 57% the cost of the barely 40 sqm Onehunga studio apartments?

Or, if this question is not valid, are Ardern and Less-Galloway issuing media releases with figures no more useful than those Twyford vomits ad nauseam?

And, of course, this press release does not detail what must have been conceded to Winston for him to agree to the change in refugee stance, so Cindy Show Pony can go virtual signal to virtually everyone at the United Nations end of this week – if she has the temerity to admit New Zealand will take an extra 500 refugees, being 1/7000th of what Turkey has taken.
Winston must realise how stupid that looks, so what other motivation changed his stance?
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September 20, 2018 8:20am
- waikatogirl
  
  The closer the UN trip the harder the thumb screws could be tightened by Winston to get greater baubles out of Cindy. Winston will have scored better by initially denying her to be able to virtue signal the increased refugee number at the UN. Timing people.
  When will we find out how much the taxpayer is in the hole for Winston’s latest political chess move?
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:41am
  - Inandout
    
    Winston won’t we all know, but what if he was to demand that the refugee increase comprise Christians only, instead of Muslims. That is also a question Garner should have asked the refugee apologist on TV this morning.
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:01am
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      Inandout, you and other rabid righters on KB have not done one thing like lobby the former Minister or Immigration or present one to do just that.
      
      Pathetic!
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:09am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        And how do you know that Inandout has not done that?
        How do you know that other people – KB contributors in particular – have not done that?
        
        Sources please.
        
        Rabid?
        Pathetic?
        
        See your doctor
        Sigh
        
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        September 20, 2018 11:19am
      - gorse
        
        I upticked you by mistake. Don’t go getting hopeful that someone likes you.
        
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        September 20, 2018 12:46pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Banks exclude balconies. They only use internal space.
  They probably got the Valuer to redo the measurement and do it from the middle of the wall.
  It’s an old trick.
  Still, the developer not knowing what a Bank will or will not do on an apartment is a rookie mistake
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:50am
  - KevOB
    
    My garage is 45 m2. Should I separate out the title for KiwiBuild?
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:57am
    - softail 1450
      
      KevOB,mine is 16m x 6m, 96 m2 , I can take every one of those 1500 new refugees if the price is right.
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:18pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  $10000/m². Fuck. me.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:45am
cmm

It is interesting watching Zuma being thrown under the bus in South Africa.

He is being labelled as the worst thing that ever happened to South Africa’s economy etc etc. I think that’s way over playing it.

Sure, Zuma was a seriously bad. But the worst? No way!

During the 9 years under Zuma (2009-2018), the Rand dropped in value from about USD11c to USD6c. That’s a loss of less than 50% of its value in 9 years. About 5% per year.

During the Mandela years (1994-1999) it dropped from USD30c to USD16c. That’s also a loss of 50%, but in 5 years – about 10% per year.

But nope, nobody can say anything bad about Mandela!

The crazy thing when people start getting so desperate is that they pin false hopes on any change. Zuma was terrible, anything will be better… except Ramaphosa is really no better.

Zuma was corrupt, but was obvious. He just put his hands in the till and took what he wanted. Ramaphosa is ten times as corrupt, but he does it “legally” by being a “businessman”.

https://businesstech.co.za/news/finance/116372/rand-vs-the-dollar-1978-2016/
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September 20, 2018 8:22am
Keeping Stock

The whole Handley situation gets more murky by the day, and the PM is now front and centre of that murkiness. Mike Hosking ripped into her and her Ministers this morning, and the story isn’t going to go away any time soon, even with her trip to the UN.

Hopefully one of National’s senior Ministers will make a formal complaint to the Speaker about Labour’s failure to comply with his direction that they produce the gmails yesterday.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/366831/ministers-defy-request-to-bring-details-of-clare-curran-s-emails
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September 20, 2018 8:22am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Apparently Handley applied 4 days late for the CTO job via Ardern’s private email….
  https://twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1042366094260895745
  
  She’s gonna have a rough few days.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:39am
  - lifesgood
    
    Ah but there will be a special announcement at 4pm tomorrow…free candy floss for all. Mike Hosking gave her a blast yesterday about announcing things at 4pm Friday…told her it was so transparent. Good on Mike, keep sticking it to her.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:51am
  - howitis
    
    I’m thinking of offering a $1000 prize for the next time Ardern tells the truth.
    I could make it $100,000 or, in Austin Powers talk, one trillion dollars.
    It would not have to be paid so the monetary amount does not matter.
    
    A curious by-product of all this is that Clarke with a E must be quaking in his jandals over being tied to such a spinner and wonder if she has ever told the him the truth.
    Fly Emirates!
    
    [Note to Mike Bush, the former drunk driver: this is sarcasm and is operating at the same level of seriousness that the ‘coalition’ Govt is operating. ]
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:08am
- KevOB
  
  They have replaced questions with OIA requests.
  
  Responsible govt?
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:59am
waikatogirl

The Tax Working Group releases its interim report later this morning.
National want to see voters taxed less and encouraged to save more.
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September 20, 2018 8:32am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes but what will National do when they get back in.
  Will they reverse all of Labours new laws.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:40am
  - kowtow
    
    “Will they reverse all of Labours new laws.”
    
    Bwa ha ha ha ha ha.
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:39am
  - MCos
    
    You mean like they repealed anti nuclear, anti smacking and if you go back far enough the Social Security Act 1938, which they vehemently opposed?
    No, of course they won’t.
    National is philosophically opposed to progressive legislation, but once it’s in place they’re generally happy not to roll back the clock, especially if there’s votes to be lost in the middle ground.
    Labour tends to be more strident, but hardly the rabid communists some portray them, especially if there’s votes to be lost in the middle ground.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:24am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Sorry, any party led by an enthusiastic President of the International Union of Socialist Youth and singer of the ‘Internationale’ clearly is aiming for worldwide, internationally-controlled Communism.
      
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      September 20, 2018 11:58am
      - MCos
        
        Yeah right.
        Just as soon as the time is right she’s going to hand over the reins to some obscure Communist from Ngaio, Brendan Tuohy and the Socialist Party of Aotearoa and the tanks will roll down Lambton Quay.
        Him and Jaing Yang are just waiting for the signal!
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:18pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Ever hear how the frog boiled, MCos? Degree by degree: it didn’t notice until it was too late.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:20pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Classical Liberal, gormless lunatic fringe stuff!
        
        “Degree by degree:..” descent into hysterical paranoia.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:20pm
- alex Masterley
  
  But its not Friday afternoon yet.
  The gummint must have something they really want to bury if that is being released today.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:44am
DigNap15

So here is todays English word that is not in either of my two Maori dictionaries
Its
Paucity
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September 20, 2018 8:34am
- MCos
  
  ‘Its’ is not in any dictionary
  
  Maybe you were thinking about tits
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:42am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    It’s in the dictionary if you just look under its ‘I’ section.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:00pm
- dave_c_
  
  Surely that’s a deliberate maori language concatenation technique referring to ‘Pau City’ ?
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:42am
- KevOB
  
  whakatakinida
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:01am
flipper

Keeping …
You make a very good point. The look of horror on Hipkins’ face when the duck issued his injunction was a sight to behold. Of course he immediately took leave from the House and left it to Alf”s mate to “OIA/Archive” it.
But surely you (like me I hasten to add) do not expect the duck, having been instructed by Simpson , would do anything but cave ???

Those pigs would have turned into Iowa hogs and grown butterfly wings ….
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September 20, 2018 8:39am
- skyblue
  
  Alf’s mate. Thought it is Alf’s wife.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:57am
  - flipper
    
    Of course it is Sky. But one must not tell things like they really. To do so makes one rainbowphobic or whatever. But other than screwed up SJW’s who really cares???? 🙂
    
    Seriously….
    Imagine just how seriously other nations’ finance/treasury ministers take Alf’s wife …. and the rubbish spouted by “Grantie” via his ridiculous “economic” theories.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:56am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Chippie – another chicken arsed prick. Oma rapiti, oma rapiti
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:01am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Convenient parental leave?
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:05am
- KevOB
  
  The application of the OIA to Ministerial questions is an affront to constitutional government.
  
  No wonder Curran had to go–she may have been too transparent compared to the obfuscation the OIA allows.
  
  ~~Transparency~~ Corruption?
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:05am
lastmanstanding

Ive been thinking.

The Left are all about identity and quotas.

So lets apply that to Universities and the Media.

So they would have to demonstrate the following;

That they employed the same ratio of the general population as regards,

Gender
Race
Political Persuasion.

So if X per cent of the population were

Straight Male
NZ European
Right of Centre

Then Universities and the Media would have to demonstrate they employed the required numbers to meet the correct quota.

Afterall this is only applying their own rules.

Isnt it?
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September 20, 2018 8:45am
- freethinker
  
  Quite right Swords have two sides and those who think the pen is mightier than the Sword should beware when they take the pen cap off to fight the sword out of its scabbard.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:27am
cmm

In the old days, and maybe still, anyone wanting a senior government job in China had to pass a pretty rigorous exam. Perhaps we need something like that in NZ.

You need a hairdressing diploma to do a haircut, but you can be an MP deciding all sorts of stuff with basically no qualification at all.

Many of our MPs (including our PM) lack fundamental understanding of many issues (basic statistics, economic indicators, basic law, etc), yet they command billions of dollars, policies determining the lives of millions and writing laws.

That cannot be a good thing.

I propose we:
1) Have an examination which everyone must sit before getting a nomination as either a list or an electoral MP. First prize apply it to all senior bureaucrats (commissioners, heads of race relations etc).
2) their score be made public and be printed alongside their name in all party lists, election forms etc.
3) any person can take the exam to be able to get a sense of how bright the MPs are relative to themselves, but they keep these scores private.

Minimum stuff that is required:
1) understanding basic statistics: what is percentage, what is statistical significance, what’s the difference between them.
2) basic logic: cause and effect, solve basic logic puzzles.
3) basic economics: what do GDP and GNP mean and how do they differ? What is deficit and debt and how do they differ? Compound interest. Price elasticity, margins, what a balance sheet means.
4) some basic chemistry/physics like what CO2 is, how it reacts with things etc.
5) Understanding how a law is constructed, how to read one and how to write a good one.
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September 20, 2018 8:50am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  If one has a degree in communications, where does that get you?
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:03am
  - The Heat
    
    The front cover of the women’s magazines.
    
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    September 20, 2018 9:08am
    - sooty
      
      What’s the requirement for a List MP.
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:56am
      - KevOB
        
        Nil.
        
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        September 20, 2018 10:08am
      - freethinker
        
        A Brown nose
        
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        September 20, 2018 10:29am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Ability to lie through your teeth
        
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        September 20, 2018 10:45am
- srylands
  
  Yeah the exam thing isn’t happening.
  
  However I am sure that the Treasury at the direction of the Minister of Finance, would arrange helpful tutorials for any Minister on public finance and the National Accounts. I mean if you are a new senior Minister, why wouldn’t you ask for such a thing?
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:21am
  - KevOB
    
    Their beliefs are sufficient and they may conflict with Treasury.
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:09am
  - rangitoto
    
    If you suffer from a massive Dunning-Kruger effect as most CoL ministers then it wouldn’t be necessary (in their own opinion).
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hell, I’d just settle for them having had a couple of years of work in the real world where they had to produce something or achieve a couple of targets.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:02am
Simon

Latest Moon Kim summit looks to be going well.

Helps peace that Trump is there in the background.

Peace on Korean peninsula would be impossible with that raging psychopath Hillary as prez.
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September 20, 2018 8:52am
- stephieboy
  
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  Simon, I think your prez has bigger problems at home when he stated with respect to Jeff Sessions,
  
  “I don’t have an Attorney General.”
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45577781
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:02am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Hardly news.
    Sessions made an ass of himself in March 2017 and has done not one thing to redeem himself.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:34am
Harkman

Annie Krummer, WTF? Singing her multiculturalism crap.
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September 20, 2018 9:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Her name’s actually Annie Crummer, and she is of mixed race descent, so it’s hardly surprising that her music reflects that.
  
  I’ve seen her perform live a few times, and she has a brilliant voice.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:28am
- MCos
  
  I wasn’t there.
  What songs was she singing?
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:30am
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*
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September 20, 2018 9:05am
- secondcumming
  
  Given the quarterly 1% GDP figure, will Adrian need to change his stance on interest rates…..Orr not?
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:10pm
Manolo

He spoke too soon:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/19/jack-ma-alibaba-is-no-longer-planning-to-create-1-million-us-jobs.html

Jack Ma, founder and chairman of Chinese retail giant Alibaba, says the company no longer plans to create 1 million jobs in the United States in the wake of the ongoing trade conflict between the U.S. and China.
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September 20, 2018 9:11am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Good. More scope for other online traders.
  
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  September 20, 2018 12:10pm
Hugh Pavletich

Speeding up the housing market: A pre-fabulous idea … Pattrick Smellie OPINION … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/107199133/speeding-up-the-housing-market-a-prefabulous-idea?cid=app-iPad

OPINION: If 100,000 KiwiBuild homes are going to be built, two things will be necessary.

Firstly, New Zealand’s high-cost, low productivity, large-scale and highly individualised style of housing needs to change.

And secondly, there will need to be enough affordable land on which to build the affordable houses.

The relative absence of affordable land in expensive cities like Auckland has driven the recent trend to large, high-cost homes since only the relatively wealthy can afford to build them.

Regulatory measures and direct interventions, such as axing artificial urban boundaries, creating an Urban Development Authority with national interest development powers, and redeveloping council and government-owned property, can help with affordable land supply. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 20, 2018 9:12am
- Philview
  
  Phil Twyford said a few months ago that they plan to build state houses in wealthy suburbs and told people to leave the city if they don’t like it.
  
  Corbyn in the UK has talked about seizing the properties of wealthy Londoners so maybe the Coalition here have similar plans with Auckland.
  
  Here is an example of Twyford ideology
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/05/auckland-nimbys-who-don-t-like-state-housing-can-leave-phil-twyford.html
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:43am
kevn

Random indeed…. We now have a maori climate commissioner. Donna Awatere Huata.
Expensive folly. Why?
What about NZer’s climate? Chinese in NZ climate?
You will remember her chequered (in a bad way) background.
Waste.
Of your money.
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September 20, 2018 9:13am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, we really need a LGBTQIA Climate Commissioner.
  
  It is an OUTRAGE they’re being overlooked like this.
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:43pm
- Paulus
  
  Remember Maori Climate is different from non Maori.
  
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  September 20, 2018 2:13pm
srylands

When I started working 30 plus years ago, I rarely saw poorly dressed women in professional circles. Quite a few men.

At least in Wellington, I come across professional women who look like they buy their business wardrobe at the warehouse. And yes I have tested this observation with my female colleagues, and they agree it is a thing. But none of us could figure the drivers.
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September 20, 2018 9:13am
- Muttonbird
  
  Your female colleagues are nodding because they want you to go away.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:32am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Why does garb matter? I couldn’t care less how my colleagues dress. If your appearance matters then your profession is superficial.
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:41am
  - DigNap15
    
    No, a real professional dresses like a professional.
    
    Also compare the female Nation Mps in parliament to the Labour ones.
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:09am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      The one dress rule:
      Dress to show respect for the person you are meeting, associating with, taking up the valuable time of.
      They notice, they may not say anything but they appreciate it and remember it.
      Leaves as good an impression as your attitude.
      In fact it may even help your attitude in these meetings.
      
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      September 20, 2018 10:31am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I really don’t care. As long as people are clean and tidy, I actually prefer that they are reasonably comfortable. Makes for a better workplace atmosphere. Stiff, hot business suits are just horrible in summer!
  
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  September 20, 2018 12:14pm
JIV

It shows what a socialist outfit the unelected UN really is. Every time Arden goes overseas she feels she needs to signal to them how virtuous she is and bans something evil (oil/gas/bags) or accepts the great unwashed.
These decisions were not in favour of the country she governs but an edict from the global socialist movement run by the UN.
She needs to look internal to the NZ borders and start fixing problems at home rather than hopeless causes on the international stage
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September 20, 2018 9:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  Jordan Peterson says lefties don’t like boarders. This includes open boarders for humanity to enter and move freely meaning free-flowing information and creativity. Conservatives on the otherhand, see boarders as necessary for organisation and regulation of resources.
  
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  September 20, 2018 2:10pm
  - itstricky
    
    Jordan Peterson says lefties don’t like boarders
    
    Jordan Peterson also says he gets feelings of “overwhelming doom” if he eats anything other than beef or salt:
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/19/my-beef-with-jordan-petersons-all-cow-diet
    
    Just in case anyone needed an indication that he’s generally full of it, he’ll soon be endorsing Gwyneth’s Goop.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:35pm
Manolo

A phenomenon also known to affluent areas of Auckland and Wellington:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-the-matter-with-westchester-1537310877?mod=e2tw
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September 20, 2018 9:34am
Keeping Stock

Top marks to National MP Andrew Bayly for this supplementary question to Phil Twyford yesterday:

Andrew Bayly: Will he be putting himself forward as the keynote speaker to talk about his KiwiBuild apartments at the New Zealand tiny house conference, in Carterton?
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September 20, 2018 9:37am
dime

Mark Dice is great.

Heres a video on the Miss America competition lol no one remembered its on cause you dont get points for looks, but your stance on social justice issues. of course a black chick won.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEkCHfrLRkc

This one is on the emmys – the opening song about is “diversity” and how amazing it is.

then a dude, who i guess is a comedian??, turns up in the middle singing – im a straight white male, can i join in? and the white blonde chick tells him he has to leave.

full retard. its amazing to watch
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September 20, 2018 9:37am
- stephieboy
  
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  dime,
  
  Mike Dice talks rubbish!
  
  “Mark Shouldice, known professionally as Mark Dice, is an American YouTube personality, conspiracy theorist, and author known for his conspiracy theories about secret societies such as The Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove events, Satanists and the Illuminati control of the world. ”
  
  Wikipedia
  
  Your attraction comes as no surprise
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:46am
  - Swifty
    
    You’ll only read or watch people who wikipedia tells you are safe to go near?
    
    I’ve got it now! That explains why you are so stupid.
    
    You need to get out more son.
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:51am
    - Garbageman
      
      Cmon Swifty you spoilt the fine run GD was having with everyone ignoring his nonsense you know piss weak lefties hate being ignored when they finally finish their autistic screeching
      
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      September 20, 2018 11:55am
      - Swifty
        
        My apologies Garbageman – I will try to do better next time. 🙂
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:35pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    “Mike Dice talks rubbish!”
    
    And he isn’t the only one –
    Is he the same person as Mark Dice?
    
    Sigh
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:38am
    - Swifty
      
      He shoots himself in the foot every damn time doesn’t he?
      
      What an egg.
      
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      September 20, 2018 11:51am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy ,you have the wrong person you fucking moron,go catch your smelly goat and save the young girls in your neighborhood from your perverted habits.
    
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    September 20, 2018 1:33pm
- softail 1450
  
  Dime ,Dice is brilliant i subscribed to his show when he had less than 50k subscribers ,i think he’s well over a million now….
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:30pm
Surely Knott

Just in case anyone missed NZ’s supermodel “our Rach” interviewing the “goddess” Prime Minister about her divine feminine grace. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/11-11-podcast/id1423938438?mt=2
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September 20, 2018 9:49am
- RF
  
  Bimbo meet Bimbo.
  
  I listened for a minute and had the sudden urge to vomit just after the blonde started gushing about the commie.
  
  We have some sick puppies in NZ.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:40am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I’ve heard that Rachel has made some pretty wise investments during hear high-income years, as a sensible model should. A capitalist one.
    
    But certainly a ‘bimbo’ attitude when supporting Taxinda just because of her genitals.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:18pm
Inandout

Given Jacinda’s appalling loss of memory on embarrassing issues, is it feasible she may have early onset forgetfulness? Winston because of his age can be forgiven for the odd mistake. Holding a PM job at the same time as holding a baby and partner must be stressful.
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September 20, 2018 9:53am
- sooty
  
  At least one of them is going to crap on you!
  
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  September 20, 2018 9:59am
- KevOB
  
  Momnesia.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:12am
- cmm
  
  “Given Jacinda’s appalling loss of memory on embarrassing issues, is it feasible she may have early onset forgetfulness?”
  
  Any evidence she ever had a good memory?
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:37am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  All of her problems stem from two things – failing to grow into an adult, and telling continuous lies
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:53am
Jack5

Muslims trying to nail free speech in Britain!

Britain’s Muslims are campaigning to have the son of the American evangelist, Billy Graham, banned from Britain.

Franklin Graham, the president of Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, is scheduled to lead a series of religious gatherings this month.

The Muslims are accusing Franklin Graham of hate speech.

The Muslim Council of Britain said in a statemen to the Guardian:“In the past the government has banned individuals whom they claim are ‘not conducive to the public good’. Mr Graham’s remarks are on record and clearly demonstrate a hatred for Muslims and other minorities.”

The American Conservative commentator Todd Starnes reports Franklin Graham as saying:

““I’m not coming to speak against anyone; I’m not there to speak against Islam or against gays,” he told the publication. “I want to invite the Muslims to come, I want Christians to come, I want gays to come and to listen to what God has to say. It’s an open invitation.”
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September 20, 2018 9:56am
- KevOB
  
  Franklin Graham preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ would be offensive to Muslims world wide. However Muslins aggressively promote the Koran and it’s Prophet.
  Where’s freedom of speech or religion to deny either?
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:17am
- kowtow
  
  ‘The Muslim Council of Britain said in a statemen to the Guardian:“In the past the government has banned individuals whom they claim are ‘not conducive to the public good’’
  
  Islamic immigration is not conducive to the public good. It should be banned.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:47am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5 .
  “Britain’s Muslims are campaigning…”
  
  All of them or a certain number of them?
  
  https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Muslim-Council-accuses-US-evangelist-Franklin-Graham-of-hatred-before-UK-visit
  
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  September 20, 2018 11:00am
  - RalphT
    
    Are those that aren’t campaigning revolting?
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:17am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    SB:
    The Muslim Council of Britain said in a statemen to the Guardian:“In the past the government has banned individuals whom they claim are ‘not conducive to the public good’. Mr Graham’s remarks are on record and clearly demonstrate a hatred for Muslims and other minorities.” ”
    
    Did you bother to read all J5s comment before you rushed to print with nitpicking?
    
    LOL
    See your doctor
    Sigh
    
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    September 20, 2018 1:00pm
Poppa

I wonder what that GDP figure will be today?

My money is around .6 which means the annual rate will be somewhere in the early to mid 2’s.

I smell trouble Robbo, that hole you denied having is about to get a whole lot deeper. You based your budget on high 3’s as I recall
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September 20, 2018 10:12am
- Brigitte
  
  I’m picking no CGT and a temporary blip in CPI due to the oil price.
  
  Sorry, what? No no, the answer is correct, you must have asked the wrong question.
  
  (for the actual case, I’m going for 0.9 plus or minus 0.1 for this quarter which should reduce the chance of an OCR cut in the near term)
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:22am
- Jack5
  
  I’m more interested in the GDP per capita. It’s been flat, if it falls today it means New Zealand is going backwards.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:53am
  - Jack5
    
    Figures are out: June quarter GDP growth 1 per cent
    June quarter GDP per capita growth 0.5 per cent.
    
    https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/gross-domestic-product-june-2018-quarter
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:23am
    - Jack5
      
      GDP per capita growth for the year to June 30 was just 0.7 per cent.
      
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      September 20, 2018 11:28am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Hmm. All those new immigrants not pulling their weight. Kick them out the lazy pricks.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:01pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  1%. Above expectations. So did PM S.L.G. stuff up when asked about GDP figures on Hosking’s show? Did she know? (she shouldn’t have)
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:55am
Stars And Stripes

Some media training and public sympathy gathering advice for Jan Thomas.
If you feel backed into a corner or even worst exposed as a fraud and a liar never fear because all is not lost as you still have an ace in your deck to play.
That ace comes in the form of you being a women as this allows you to claim that Don Brash and Simon Bridges call for you to resign is driven by the fact they can’t stand a strong women in a position of responsibility so are therefore sexist and misogynistic.
What you have actually done will then become a side issue and the main focus will be turned to the other party as the feminists and other man haters jump on board and attempt to rip the accuser to shreds.
Simple really, just look at Andrea Vance’s column yesterday for a good example of this and the success of Serena Williams using this diversion to good effect in the tennis.
Also Jan if you were black this could be used to claim a racist motive so my other advice would be to get that family tree out and “find” some Aboriginal blood.
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September 20, 2018 10:22am
- Jack5
  
  You mean like America’s Senator Elizabeth Warren, branded by President Trump as Pocahontas, and Australia’s Senator Jacqui Lambie, who claimed to be of Tasmanian Aboriginal descent?
  
  Some blame for the trendiness of finding ancestral indigenous roots is coming from the popular genealogy site DNA tests. “Wow! We’re 6 per cent American Indian.” Or, “Wow, we’re 2 per cent Jewish”. Try five brands and you may get five different results.
  
  Senator Lambie:
  
  http://morningmail.org/senator-lambies-heritage-dispute/
  
  Genealogy sites’ DNA tests – their limitation:
  
  https://slate.com/technology/2006/03/what-genealogical-testing-can-t-tell-you.html
  
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  September 20, 2018 11:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Hm, being jewish won’t get you far these days. Hated, rather. Openly by islamists and the likes of EAD-shit who posts here. With slimy anti-Israel excuses by leftists.
    
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    September 20, 2018 12:23pm
RF

She could go “walk about” and just disappear into the Northern Territory.
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September 20, 2018 10:31am
wreck1080

GDP figures were healthy, I think it is likely Jacinda did know todays figure earlier this week.
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September 20, 2018 10:58am
- Prince
  
  Healthy ? 0.4% for the quarter ?
  0.6% Jan to June ?
  
  On life support more likely.
  
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  September 20, 2018 11:07am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    1% for quarter. 2.7% for year to June
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:13am
    - Paulus
      
      2.7% is a long way from where it should be around 3.5% as it was before Peters.
      It sadly will drop to about 2% within 6 months as retail spending drops on the pro size over the Christmas period.
      Retailers are already hurting – look at their advertising – some of the biggies are going to have to reduce staff sooner rather than later.
      
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      September 20, 2018 2:20pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        lagging inflationary effects of more expensive imports (falling NZD) and higher fuel prices and removal of temporary boost from high agricultural receipts will likely see next figure a long way down. But with this result will hold up the annual GDP figure for at least another 3 quarters.
        
        Be happy, growth is good, regardless of who is in power.
        
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        September 20, 2018 3:52pm
  - Prince
    
    Sorry I got that wrong. Not sure what website I was looking at at 11:00 am.
    Apologies, and all power to the economic genius Robbo.
    
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    September 20, 2018 11:43am
    - waikatogirl
      
      The 1% jump in GDP is due to agriculture. The Greens will have to pull their heads in on getting rid of nasty, dirty, belching cows. That’s white gold in them there hills, white gold thanks to dairying. ?
      
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      September 20, 2018 12:20pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        To forestry actually. This is due to Labour’s Kiwibuild program and the focus by NZF to energise forestry in the regions.
        
        This industry is going to go from strength to strength. And trees are nice – much nicer than cows.
        
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        September 20, 2018 12:57pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      He’s walking rings around Key and English right now.
      
      LMAO.
      
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      September 20, 2018 12:58pm
      - Swifty
        
        Key and English – weathered CHC and GFC and delivered an economy admired over the world and for nine years.
        
        Robbo – in for but a year, done fuck all, economy inherited from National.
        
        But he’s running rings around the former administration.
        
        Yep, this is another magnificent example of Muttonbird’s analysis skills for the world to see.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:17pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Just try to be happy, Swifty.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:23pm
      - Swifty
        
        Don’t you worry about me titi – I’m as happy as a happy thing.
        
        It’s NZ I do worry about from time to time under this current administration.
        
        Tell me, why are they making so many mistakes? Why can’t they get even the basics right? Why, after nine years getting ready for their big day, are they proving so inept?
        
        Genuine questions.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:31pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        As David says, those things are inconsequential – it’s the economy which people vote on and that is now doing better than at any time under Bill English.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        And if that is the case then you say the credit for that situation is Robb0 100% and Key/English 0%?
        
        Do I have that right?
        
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        September 20, 2018 2:14pm
      - riffer
        
        I’d wager that the economy has bugger all to do with the crap that emanates from the Beehive. That’s all just a distraction anyway. It’s not like the pollies run the country.
        
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        September 20, 2018 3:14pm
      - cmm
        
        Most people don’t care a shit about the GDP as such.
        
        What they care about is what hits them in the pocket.
        
        Petrol price: Ouch!
        
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        September 20, 2018 4:31pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right wreck1080 again we see the rush to create confusion over a very embarrassing blunder made by the silly little girl. The true situation was revealed as soon as Stats NZ used the term “embargo” indicating that the Government had the figures in advance of the official release. Unfortunately sweet cheeks could not contain his excitement and rushed to the SLG to get a stamp on the hand. Big mistake with her confused state of mind let it slip in a phone interview which for her as dangerous as a face to face.
  We do need to join the dots from her earlier disappointment expressed in the delay of the Family Package showing up in the figures which was indications of it being a hot topic in their circle. Like being confused about what GDP is she did not understand much about that relationship apart of the clever things sweet cheeks would say. In her state under pressure was desperate to say something that got sweet cheeks so excited must be good so blurted it out missing the more important aspect of timing and not understanding why they are embargoed.
  It is however a classic case of dumb and dumber since any lift in GDP that might been influenced from the Family package it is nothing more than another form of funny money.
  
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  September 21, 2018 12:55am
Surely Knott

Jacinda Ardern features in Homes to Love talking about her favourite building in NZ – the Freemans Bay Apartments. “t I also like what it represents. These were built as social housing and for the first time we had apartments that were designed for whole families to live in. You can see it in the design: they had separate laundries and pretty decent-sized kitchens and even though they were roughly 70 square metres, you can tell by the land around them that these were places where families were meant to be brought up. I love them for that.” Question is why didn’t Jacinda and Clarke buy a house that represented their values. Why didn’t they buy a house in a four story mediums density blocks shared with a mixed community of Housing NZ and real families. Instead they’ve bought a standalone home in an affluent neighbourhood with a fenced backyard.
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September 20, 2018 10:58am
Manolo

Will she have to courage to do it?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6186339/Theresa-warns-willing-force-No-Deal-Brexit-unless-EU-leaders-compromise-eight-weeks.html

Theresa May warned EU leaders tonight that Britain is ready to walk away without a deal unless they reach a ‘workable’ agreement on Brexit in the next two months.

In a blunt ultimatum, the Prime Minister ruled out any delay to Britain’s departure from the EU in March next year – and said there were no circumstances in which she would consider a second referendum.
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September 20, 2018 10:58am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  She should have let Boris take on Brexit, the impossible task, and then stepped in when he failed.
  
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  September 20, 2018 11:28am
- waikatogirl
  
  I’ve been reading ‘Not for Turning’ the autobiography of Margaret Thatcher. During the negotiations for Britain to join the Common Market Maggy stayed the course for a much better deal for Britain than others thought they would get. Let’s hope Theresa has similar staying ability.
  
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  September 20, 2018 12:25pm
Manolo

1%, splendid figure:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1809/S00230/hifx-data-update-nz-q2-gdp-release.htm
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September 20, 2018 11:26am
- Muttonbird
  
  Indeed. I fully expect a glowing post from our host about how well this government is doing…
  
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  September 20, 2018 12:55pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    David, of course will take his cue from that other doom merchant, Amy Adams, who is having a cry about per capita growth.
    
    Why can’t these people be happy?
    
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    September 20, 2018 1:03pm
    - Swifty
      
      They care for their country and it’s people that’s why.
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:32pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Funniest thing I’ve heard all day.
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:39pm
      - Swifty
        
        Muttonbird, would you care to offer your thoughts why National is the party with the greatest numbers of NZers supporting them?
        
        And that between them Labour and the Greens get less votes than National at the last election?
        
        What reasons would you offer for that curious turn of events?
        
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        September 20, 2018 2:18pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Swifty, the same as Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 2million in term of the popular vote!
        
        So there!
        
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        September 20, 2018 2:50pm
      - Jack5
        
        Amy Adams is correct about NZ’s near-stagnation in GDP per capita.
        
        However, our politicians mostly have ignored that GDP per capita is the most relevant measure of economic growth.
        
        Who would be like India – 4th in the world by GDP, 147th in the world by GDP per capita?
        
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        September 20, 2018 4:28pm
- rangitoto
  
  Now compute it in US dollar terms.
  
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  September 20, 2018 12:56pm
- UpandComer
  
  Yeah, that’s why if BE was PM we could have hit 4%-5%.
  
  There’s a lot of dying in this strong economy – but labour will kill it. It might take two terms.
  
  The growth is in line with forecasts – 3.0%.
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:35pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I do hope labour thanks all the dirty horrible farmers they hate so much for the 4% boost they gave them.
  
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  September 20, 2018 3:48pm
Jack5

More fruit from National’s ties with Ngai Tahu, exemplified by the sweetheart deals negotiated for the tribe by National’s Chris Finlayson before he entered Parliament as a list MP.

The National Government took over Environment Canterbury, dismissing the locally elected commissioners.

Today, on Radio NZ’s web site, we read how Environment Canterbury has appointed a the world’s “first council-appointed indigenous land management advisor”.

Mananui Ramsden was working in a mine in Western Australia when he heard about the job he’s been appointed to.

This is to “educate” the 350 farmers in the Selwyn Waihora Water Zone about “mahinga kai” values – including guarding water quality and Maori archaeological sites.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018662586/the-ex-miner-bringing-ngai-tahu-sustainability-knowledge-to-canterbury-farmers
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September 20, 2018 11:48am
- starboard
  
  Does bro also take care of, and monitor the taniwha?
  
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  September 20, 2018 4:59pm
- DigNap15
  
  Maori archaeological sites.
  You mean two piles of hangi stones.
  The Maori never built anything to last, unlike the Romans, Egyptians, Vikings, and the Kingdom of Zimbabwe.
  
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  September 20, 2018 5:28pm
  - sooty
    
    They ate all the stone masons.
    
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    September 20, 2018 5:45pm
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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/high-profile-personality-to-face-jury-trial-over-assault-charges/ar-BBNzrxG?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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September 20, 2018 11:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,
Another question about our PM’s dealings on the CTO appointment.

Hon Dr NICK SMITH to the Minister of State Services: What are the dates and contents of all work-related electronic communications between former Minister Hon Clare Curran and the Prime Minister since the decision in Cabinet last year “that the CTO be appointed by, and accountable to, the Prime Minister and the Ministers of Government Digital Services and Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media”?

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-20-september-2018/
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September 20, 2018 12:56pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  A dog barking at passing cars.
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:16pm
  - cmm
    
    Are you the office junior that Cindy blames everything on?
    
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    September 20, 2018 4:28pm
cas

Michael Cullen was on Nine to Noon this am re the tax working group and he said that family homes would be exempt and the land underneath them but gave a figure of up to x sq m and I didn’t catch it. It seemed to suggest that lifestyle blocks will not be covered. Did anyone else hear it?
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September 20, 2018 1:08pm
- Pateke
  
  4,500 spare metres.
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:09pm
  - cas
    
    Thanks. So anything with land over a half a hectare will not be exempt!!
    
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    September 20, 2018 3:40pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Wow! So this will be interesting. So surely on a lifestyle block only the extra land will be taxed and how will they determine that value. If you can’t subdivide your section then most of the value is in the land around your house anyways. The difference in price between 2 and 3 acres is small if the unitary plan says you can’t subdivide. Don’t know why we’ve been busy restoring the land and busting a gut building a business – should have got a job at a sweet job at a multinational and spent my money on holidays and fine dining.
      
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      September 20, 2018 4:54pm
- rangitoto
  
  Anything said about capital gains tax on kiwisaver?
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:14pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Definition
  Since most farmers live on their farms
  Are they “Family Homes”
  or are they “Business'”
  Is a % the family home and % the business
  How do you determine that? WHO determines that?
  No I am not a farmer.
  
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  September 20, 2018 4:14pm
Poppa

I hope the COL idiots go for Capital Gains Tax

That should sink them without trace
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September 20, 2018 1:20pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I hope so. Every investor, every Mum and Dad landlord, everyone hoping to build a little flat on their property to help pay for retirement, everyone hoping to inherit some property from their parents one day, should be against this.
  
  And, if cas is right, everyone with a lifestyle block.
  
  But will that be enough voters against CGT?
  
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  September 20, 2018 1:25pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    And what of the other half? Are there enough of them?
    
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    September 20, 2018 1:38pm
    - Poppa
      
      Well home ownership is 66%, so they will know that it is a very small step to have it apply to their home.
      
      A Capital Gains Tax will sink them & it can’t happen quick enough
      
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      September 20, 2018 1:58pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      OK, reading the interim report now. https://taxworkinggroup.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2018-09/twg-interim-report-sep18_1.pdf
      
      They seem very keen on CGT because of ‘fairness’ issues, and because they believe that rich pricks are the main investors: “17. Evidence from overseas and data on wealth in
      New Zealand suggests that capital gains are
      concentrated amongst those with high incomes
      and wealth. Including more capital gains in
      the tax system is likely to be the most feasible
      way to make the tax system more progressive
      without increasing tax rates.”
      
      Doesn’t sound like Mum and Dad landlords with a little rental to me!
      
      But then they also write:
      
      “27. The Group is of the view that the housing
      market impacts are unlikely to be large, but it
      may be expected that rents will rise over time,
      and house prices will be lower, relative to the
      status quo. However, the Group’s view is that
      tax has not played a large role in the current
      state of New Zealand’s housing market, and will
      be unlikely to play a large role in fixing it. The
      potential effects on housing affordability are
      commented on more fully in Chapter 8”
      
      And get this: if rents increase, the CGT can help pay for that – what a roundabout:
      
      “28. If the Government ultimately does seek
      to increase the taxation of the residential
      property sector in whatever form, rents should
      be monitored. The Group’s view is that the
      Government could consider using some of
      the revenue to mitigate the impact on renters
      (increased accommodation supplements for low
      income earners for example).”
      
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      September 20, 2018 2:06pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Sounds like they will need a whole new govt. dept. to monitor and administer this.
        
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        September 20, 2018 2:45pm
Classic Liberal

“What to tax
53. Broadly, taxation would extend to include income
from realisation of any of the following assets
(generally those that give rise to gains that are
not already subject to tax under existing taxing
provisions):
• interests in land (other than the family home).
This includes all other residential property,
commercial, agricultural, industrial and
leasehold interests not currently taxed;
• intangible property, including goodwill. The
Group is still considering how widely this
should be defined;
• all other assets held by a business or for
income producing purposes that are not
already taxed on sale (such as plant and
equipment);
• shares in companies and other equity
interests.”

A few more pissed off people, I predict…
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September 20, 2018 2:27pm
- krazykiwi
  
  So a private company’s capital gain will be targeted? I co-invested in a startup with an initial capitalisation of $50k, and it now worth $4m.
  
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  September 20, 2018 2:30pm
  - Philview
    
    Bad luck, mate. Just think of all the good you will be doing like multi million dollar compensation to P addicts kicked out of their state houses. They will be able to buy some decent shit with that money.
    
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    September 20, 2018 2:38pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Yup
      So long as you smoke ‘P’ or cook it in a state house, you are not only immune to prosecution under the phillis twitford method of law enforcement, state houses are now a sanctuary for meth offenders, and past meth offenders will be compensated because they couldn’t take advantage of this sanctuary.
      
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      September 20, 2018 2:42pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Unfu..ing believable!
        They were only evicted after HNZ found out that they were either smoking , dealing or manufacturing P.
        
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        September 20, 2018 5:31pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Hey Big Nappy, here’s your P cook.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107241075/i-felt-victimised-pensioner-evicted-over-meth-test-happy-with-hnz-apology
        
        Seems like you and Judith are all ‘guilty until proven innocent’.
        
        Wanker.
        
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        September 20, 2018 6:36pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    If a CGT introduced today.
    The value of your business is $4m
    any further increase in value subject to CGT
    Immediate cost will be the valuation of your business, wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for IRD to do it.
    
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    September 20, 2018 2:39pm
    - Philview
      
      We are expecting the Government to behave in a reasonable manner but they may well blindside us with legislation that takes the gain back to the original cost.
      
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      September 20, 2018 3:26pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Or worse
        Tax you against unrealized gain, year on year, back to the initial purchase.
        With interest
        with non payment fees
        Interest on non payment fees
        Shit, it’d be cheaper just to sign the business over to the IRD.
        
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        September 20, 2018 4:10pm
  - Manolo
    
    Bail out while you have time, realise your gains and take the money overseas. That is what many productive people will do.
    
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    September 20, 2018 6:52pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  CAPITAL GAINS TAX:
  ANALYSIS OF REFORM OPTIONS
  FOR AUSTRALIA
  Alan Reynolds
  Senior Fellow and Director of
  Economic Research, Hudson Institute
  (Washington D.C., United States)
  
  Source of capital gain… Taxable capital gain ($m) …..% of total
  Shares ………………………….1,106………….……… 38
  Trust distributions………………. 577…………………. 20
  More than one category………… 502…………………. 17
  Real estate………………………. 377…………………. 13
  Nonlisted personal use assets…….144………………….. 5
  Goodwill on the sale of a business…74…………………. 3
  Plant and equipment………………. 42 ………………….1
  Other………………………………. 78…………………. 3
  Total…………………………….. 2899………………. 100
  
  Note that, the big thing Labour have been pushing “Real Estate is only 4th on the list.
  The big one is shares, which is the way Kiwisaver and National super, largely make their money.
  Special note: Trusts will no longer be safe from the tax man,ie they can now tax your whole family via this. “more than one category” will include shares.
  
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  September 20, 2018 2:36pm
- Manolo
  
  Nothing less could be expected from Cullen, the ultimate parasite!
  
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  September 20, 2018 6:54pm
Classic Liberal

Slight relief, they don’t want to whack you each year for supposed gains:

“61. The practical challenges to the implementation
of an accrual-based tax are substantial.
Consequently, there has been little use of accrualbased
taxes in practise by other countries and
we do not support adopting one.”
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September 20, 2018 2:34pm
Classic Liberal

But their ‘risk-free return method’, another idea, does whack you each year:

“78. The Group’s view is that, in the current
low-inflationary environment, and as inflationary
gains are taxed on other forms of income it might
be more appropriate to use a risk-free nominal
rate for estimating a comparable return. [1.8% suggested].
79. The risk-free return method would replace
the existing taxation of income for the assets
subject to the risk-free return method. In other
words, the income that is actually earned from
the asset, and the expenses associated with
earning that income, will both be ignored for tax
purposes. Thus, in relation to residential property
investments, for example, rental revenue would
not be taxable income – but interest, repairs, and
maintenance would not be tax deductible either.
The risk-free return rate would be multiplied
against a market value of the net equity in the property each income year and that amount
would be included in the taxpayer’s taxable
income for that year (and would be taxed at the
taxpayer’s marginal rate).”
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September 20, 2018 2:49pm
Classic Liberal

At least they see that a ‘land tax’ is what we already pay through rates:

“103. The Group acknowledges that a land tax is
a conceptually efficient tax. Nevertheless,
the Group is concerned about the social
acceptability of a land tax in a New Zealand
context – particularly since any land tax
will apply in addition to local government
rates which are substantially a tax on land.
The Group has decided not to recommend a
land tax.”

They also found that Maori don’t like the idea of a land tax.
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September 20, 2018 3:00pm
waikatogirl

If the inept COL weren’t wasting our taxes like drunken sailors there would be no need for increasing taxes.
Bloodsucking bastards. ?
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September 20, 2018 3:21pm
Classic Liberal

Summary from Appendix B: “Capital gains from these
assets would be included in the tax base and
would be subject to the rules proposed below.
Such assets would be:
• interests in land (other than the family
home); this includes all other residential
land, commercial, agricultural, industrial and
leasehold interests not currently taxed;
• intangible property, including goodwill; the
Group is still considering how widely this
should be defined;
• all other assets held by a business or
for income producing purposes that are
not already taxed on sale (for example,
depreciable assets);
• shares in companies and other equity
interests; and
• certain choses [sic] in action (for example trade tie
agreements).
We refer to the assets whose gains would be
brought into the tax base as “included assets”.”

Be very afraid.
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September 20, 2018 3:22pm
Nostradamus

Jacinda Ardern to announce decision on future of suspended minister Meka Whaitiri

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will announce her decision on the future of suspended minister Meka Whaitiri this afternoon. Ardern will hold a press conference for 3.40pm in her Beehive office.

That’s 3.40pm on the dot, folks. Don’t be late!
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September 20, 2018 3:28pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Meka Whaitiri removed as Minister
  
  Labour MP and Minister Meka Whaitiri has been removed as a Minister after an investigation into a staffing matter in her office. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she no longer has confidence in Ms Whaitiri. She said Ms Whaitiri contests aspects of the report by Ministerial Services. Ms Whaitiri will stay on as MP for Ikaroa-Rāwhiti and the chair of Labour’s Maori caucus.
  
  Ms Whaitiri = Ms Mortal Kombat!
  
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  September 20, 2018 3:43pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Can’t be right, it’s only Thursday afternoon. At least Cindy gave her another 4 weeks of ministerial pay before shit-canning her. That’s a nice extra $10k or so for doing nothing.
    
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    September 20, 2018 3:44pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Who’s next?
      
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      September 20, 2018 5:24pm
      - sooty
        
        So Meka the Muss was trotted out front and centre the other day for sufferage day and today made to suffer as she got the sack! Ain’t it great when Cindy loves you!
        
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        September 20, 2018 5:53pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Who is covering her portfolios, Kris?
    
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    September 20, 2018 7:48pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Rachael:
      
      Here’s the media statement:
      
      Kris Faafoi will retain the role of Minister of Customs and Meka Whaitiri’s Associate Minister responsibilities will sit with the lead portfolio ministers. There are no plans to undertake a Cabinet reshuffle.
      
      So:
      
      – Kris keeps Meka’s ministerial role
      – Meka’s associate ministerial roles are scrapped (no one gets them)
      – No cabinet reshuffle.
      
      One could cynically say that reshuffling a deck of cards, where you’ve got no ace of spades, and only a few unexceptional cards like the three of clubs, needs a bit of magic to produce anything special!
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:25pm
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Incredibly complicated definitions of ‘family home’, which will basically involve government snooping into your and your partner’s private life to determine your ‘main use’ business uses of a home, e.g. homestay. Have a good read of the very long definition they come up with.
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September 20, 2018 3:31pm
- Muttonbird
  
  What’s the problem? They do that for beneficiaries and pensioners now.
  
  Also, you’ll have plenty of ways to avoid paying your fair share of tax, as I’m sure you’ve done to date!
  
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  September 20, 2018 6:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    Your Ngai Tahu mates know a thing or two about tax avoidance, Mutton. Like registering their companies as a group charity.
    
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    September 20, 2018 7:52pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    No MB, I don’t avoid paying tax at all. I don’t, however, want to pay tax on what is just housing inflation.
    
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    September 21, 2018 9:19am
Classic Liberal

Don’t dare split up with your partner and move into the rental yourself:

if “the owner of a rental property or second home
moves into the property so that it becomes an
excluded home. In these cases, there would be
a deemed sale for market value, as follows:
• Where the residence becomes an excluded
home, this will trigger a deemed sale for market
value, giving rise to a taxable gain or loss.”
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September 20, 2018 3:33pm
- All_on_Red
  
  It’s looking good- as an Election winner for National.
  
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  September 20, 2018 3:52pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    If National shows a firm backbone against all this crap. The crazy thing is this: a 5 year brightline test would be so much easier to administer and would catch anyone in for quick turnover profit rather than trying to be a long-term decent landlord.
    
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    September 20, 2018 4:32pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You’re right about five years for a Brightline test.
      Let’s see if Bridges states he will reverse it
      
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      September 20, 2018 6:02pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        No brightline if there is a capital gains tax apparently.
        
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        September 20, 2018 7:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Violence by a Labour Minister against a worker.

Who would believe such a thing?
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September 20, 2018 3:48pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  Who would believe such a thing?
  
  I would. Remember the Thai tiler scandal where the Labour Party condoned modern-day slavery, until Taito Phillip Field betrayed the Labour Party cause by becoming an independent MP, at which point they expelled him?
  
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  September 20, 2018 3:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

To lose one Minister, Ms Ardern, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.

(apologies to O.W.)
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September 20, 2018 3:53pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Who’s in charge, while the cat is away?
  
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  September 20, 2018 7:56pm
Stars And Stripes

“Whaitiri, who is the MP for the Māori electorate of Ikaroa-Rāwhiti, remains co-chairwoman of Labour’s Māori caucus, whose members have backed her”.

“Ardern holding a press conference said the Maōri caucus supported her decision to sack Whaitiri as a minister”.

Oh really, sounds like bullshit to me Jacinda.
How about you strong armed them to accept it whether they liked it or not?.
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September 20, 2018 3:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  About Labour’s Māori caucus…
  
  Whaitiri, who is the MP for the Māori electorate of Ikaroa-Rāwhiti, remains co-chairwoman of Labour’s Māori caucus, whose members have backed her.
  
  So Labour’s Māori caucus support bullying and physical violence by one of their own. Fascinating.
  
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  September 20, 2018 4:04pm
  - stigie
    
    Meta the Muss sounds about right to me !~
    
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    September 20, 2018 4:08pm
    - starboard
      
      Its ok when the brown do it..
      
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      September 20, 2018 4:51pm
  - cmm
    
    Non-assault is a white colonial construct.
    
    ““Ardern holding a press conference said the Maōri caucus supported her decision to sack Whaitiri as a minister”.”
    
    What bullshit. We first have to cower in front of the Maori to ask them if it is Ok to eject someone for assault?
    
    I hope she also asked all the other people that she could identify with:
    * the non-binary gender caucus
    * the over 40 caucus
    * the my-trough-isn’t full enough caucus.
    
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    September 20, 2018 4:24pm
  - Swifty
    
    I wonder what the ethnicity of the staffer is?
    
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    September 20, 2018 5:07pm
    - stigie
      
      Probably a white NZer who is still paying through the nose for their problems..?
      
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      September 20, 2018 5:31pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Or any of the staff, a Pakeha would have no understanding of Tikanga, it is my belief that even if a Pakeha is fluent in Te Reo that they would still not be accepted as ‘knowing’ Tikanga as there is an inherency in that, that can not be taught, but that you have to be born to.
      
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      September 20, 2018 7:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Meka Whaitiri is a member of the Labour Party… not the Maori Party.
        
        She should know all about exploitative bosses who disrespect workers.
        
        In fact everyone in the NZ Labour Party… white/brown/black/yellow/male/female/whatever …should be wondering how this person has ever got into a position where she bullies employees.
        
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        September 20, 2018 7:27pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Maori’s always back each other, even if they have done wrong!
    I have known this for many years!
    
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    September 20, 2018 5:33pm
    - starboard
      
      Kahui anyone..?
      
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      September 20, 2018 8:19pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  But that would show leadership.
  
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  September 20, 2018 7:16pm
Jack5

Despite opposition in submission numbers, Victoria University of Wellington has recommended to the university council that it proceed with dropping “Victoria” from its name.

Gwynn Thompson, who organised a petition against the change, says 75 per cent of submissions opposed the name change, but the university counted submissions in a way to underplay opposition.

Thompson says that if the university had counted the 6128 signatures on the petition as submissions, allowing for duplication with those who made individual submissions, opposition to the name change would be 92 per cent.

For those who are interested, the university council, which on Monday will again look at the name change issue comprises: Neil Paviour-Smith (chairman), managing director of share broker Forsyth Barr; Dame Therese Walsh, chariman of TVNZ; Professor Grant Guilford, the university’s vice-chancellor; John Allen, chief executive of the NZ Racing Board; Robyn Bargh, former managing director of Huia Publishing; Alan Judge, former chair of the accounting firm EY New Zealand; Isabella Lenihan-Ikin, of the Students’ Association; Traci Houpapa, described as “specialising in strategic and development advice to Maori, iwi, public and private sector clients”; Kate Hunter, history lecturer; Carwyn Jones, law lecturer; Alexandria Mark, a recent law graduate from the university; and Farib Sos, a former lecturer at the Open Polytechnic and the Whitireia Community Polytechnic and a former chairman of Volunteer Service Abroad.

If the university council again decides in favour of dropping “Victoria” from the university’s name, the Minister of Education, Chris Hipkins will make the final decision.
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September 20, 2018 4:20pm
- howitis
  
  It was not Capitalism that failed last September/October.
  
  It was Democracy in NZ.
  
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  September 20, 2018 6:14pm
howitis

Announcement:-
With more time on her hands Meka Whaitiri will take on Sonny Bill Williams in a celebrity boxing match on Saturday 8 December.
The odds are $1.20 for Meka Whaitiri
an $2.60 for Williams.
/sarc

Clare Curran was asked that because she had more time on her hands, would she like to be in a bout.
She said um ah er eeee aaah um ah am
We told her to get back to us with an answer.

We tried to track down Kelvin Davis to see if he would go in a bout.
He was big on talk a year ago wanting to give people the bash on live television.
We have been unable to locate him.
We asked Parliamentary Service if Mr Davis is still on payroll.
They gave us a straighter answer than Curran or Ardern ever would.
They said he is still being paid but , come to think of it, there has been no proof of life in the last two months .
They will look into it but have so many in witless protection that it is neither clear nor transparent who is still around to make decisions.
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September 20, 2018 4:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Meanwhile, Bellamy’s has reported a missing delivery of pies and sausage rolls. The Parliamentary security team is investigating, but it’s understood that the team has tracked the missing delivery from the drop-off depot to a minister’s office.
  
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  September 20, 2018 5:13pm
  - RF
    
    I wood never guess who was responsible.
    
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    September 20, 2018 7:12pm
    - itstricky
      
      Paula plays golf?
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:04pm
      - sam green
        
        Eating’s cheating with Paula these days. Easy when you pay to get your gut strangled.
        
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        September 20, 2018 10:20pm
Nostradamus

Kelvin Davis in parliamentary question time today:

This week, I was proud to announce the new scope and name of the Crown/Māori relations portfolio. We changed the name to “Māori/Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti”. The name reflects feedback from the hui that Māori should appear first in the relationship. Te Arawhiti refers to the transition phase we are in—that is the bridge between Māori and the Crown.

Surely the name that should appear first in the relationship is the one that’s paying for it?
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September 20, 2018 5:48pm
- nasska
  
  ….”that is the bridge between Māori and the Crown. “….
  
  As a net taxpayer I feel more like an ATM on the bridge.
  
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  September 20, 2018 5:54pm
- Muttonbird
  
  They did pay for it. With their land.
  
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  September 20, 2018 6:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    Mutton, you say of Maori:”They did pay for it. With their land.”
    
    Maori didn’t have a concept equivalent to modern ownership. No titles, no cadastral system , no financial system, no monetary system.
    
    When people then mysteriously offered to “buy” their land, they soon cottoned on, and sometimes sold the same land two or three times.
    
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    September 20, 2018 7:50pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Maori custom was that land was acquired by conquest. The British Empire won.
      
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      September 20, 2018 8:06pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Their land”?
    
    You mean the land that they acquired by eating the occupants? Being the last uneaten one doesn’t really equate to ownership does it?
    
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    September 21, 2018 3:03am
- wiseowl
  
  It is plain disgusting.There should not be a portfolio for a start .
  Culture should be kept out of politics.
  Government is for all and not for separating into cultures.
  What is so disturbing is the politicians can not think this through and understand the monster they are creating.
  They all shake themselves and feel so important puffed up in the house ,while they make decisions that are going to wreck this country.In fact we are well on the way already.
  Perpetuating the treaty myth is going to kill the country and unfortunately National are caught up in this fraud as well.
  
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  September 20, 2018 7:43pm
- starboard
  
  Glad special K is concentrating on the big issues..
  What a twat.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:16pm
Manolo

The rapacity of this Labour-Green government must be stopped at the ballot box. Out with the socialists!
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September 20, 2018 5:56pm
RF

I am really shitty and almost had to buy a new TV.

Watching the news where refugees were sitting at a table tucking into a hearty meal courtesy of NZ tax payers.

Jesus H Christ it looked like Xmas dinner.

Meanwhile elderly Kiwis who have retired and their taxes have paid for this are struggling to survive on the basics.

What in the hell is wrong with this country.

We must look after our own people first.

FFS.
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September 20, 2018 6:24pm
- Manolo
  
  Tell that to stephieboy, our Muslim apologist.
  
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  September 20, 2018 6:48pm
Muttonbird

It’s very unlike David to stop posting so early in the afternoon.

Is he so depressed at the good economic news today that he couldn’t go on?

Or is he upset that JA made a liar of him by sacking Meka on a Thursday?

I should start a poll.
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September 20, 2018 6:39pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Muttonbird:
  
  I should start a poll.
  
  No need to start a poll. We already have one at Kiwiblog. It’s called an uptick/downtick voting system where Kiwiblog readers can provide direct feedback on your trolling!
  
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  September 20, 2018 7:00pm
  - nasska
    
    All true & the indications are that it’s not considered to be very good trolling.
    
    We deserve better! 🙂
    
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    September 20, 2018 7:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps he has a life beyond Kiwiblog.
  
  Why don’t you fill in the lull in posts by providing us with some meaty investigative journalism?
  
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  September 20, 2018 7:05pm
  - sam green
    
    Why don’t you Maggy?
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:21pm
    - starboard
      
      Stooooopid boy gween Sam!
      
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      September 21, 2018 1:00am
nasska

I reckon that we may have seen the end of Friday afternoon (bad)news dumps.

Even the MSM are getting pissed over not being given the choice of what they’re going to hide from the electorate.
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September 20, 2018 6:59pm
RF

Its thanks to Mike Hosking that the commie did not dare to release the sacking of the thug on Friday afternoon.

He gave her a serve on Tuesday about her cunning stunt of releasing bad news on a Friday afternoon.

Meanwhile it is obvious why the commie was pushing for increased refugees and many other touchie feely things prior to her visit to NY.

It was nothing about doing the right thing for the down trodden, it was purely look at me me me I am the greatest bitch.

It’s difficult to think of a more self centered despicable person.
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September 20, 2018 7:27pm
- Nostradamus
  
  RF:
  
  it is obvious why the commie was pushing for increased refugees and many other touchie feely things prior to her visit to NY
  
  Haven’t we seen this before?
  
  5 April 2018: Prime Minister to attend CHOGM, meet leaders of France and Germany
  
  12 April 2018: Planning for the future – no new offshore oil and gas exploration permits
  
  16 April 2018 – 23 April 2018: Jacinda travels to Paris, Berlin and London
  
  And from a NZ Herald article at the time:
  
  Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has told students at a prestigious university in Paris that New Zealand had a proud record of leadership on major reforms and she was determined to ensure climate change was among them.
  
  The timing of the oil and gas announcement was… convenient.
  
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  September 20, 2018 7:43pm
- Muttonbird
  
  You can’t seriously mean that. There’s Cankles Collins for one.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:34pm
  - starboard
    
    Don’t forget make believe doctor pieface- more- chins- than- a- chinese -phone- book..WOODS
    
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    September 20, 2018 10:12pm
rangitoto

So Taxinda is paying crims for committing crime. It wont end well.
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September 20, 2018 8:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda would have had exactly the same information about the Whaitiri incident some weeks ago that she now has. Whaitiri still “disputes” something.. but Ardern now recognises that there was an incident.

But Ardern has delayed the sacking until she can scuttle out of the country safe in the knowledge that over the next week our MSM will fill up the airwaves and newspapers with
fluff about her fabulous impact on the NY & UN stages.
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September 20, 2018 8:16pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  fluff about her fabulous impact on the NY & UN stages
  
  It’s a safe bet that we won’t be discussing the long-term plan that she announced last weekend (and which no one can remember after the news cycle rinsing process) while she’s away!
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:28pm
- starboard
  
  ….but, she has to return. We will be waiting.
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:28pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Starboard:
    
    Is it possible that someone from Jacinda’s travel entourage will get up to some mischief in the Emirates Club Lounge facilities?
    
    Airport trysts have been known to happen:
    
    Hundreds of exasperated fans have taken to social media including Smith’s personal accounts after he was sent home South Africa for a sexual liaison with a woman in a Christchurch Airport toilet cubicle.
    
    As Peter would say, airports can be reLAXing places…
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:31pm
    - itstricky
      
      You asked the right person; starboard knows lots about public facilities.
      
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      September 20, 2018 8:52pm
      - starboard
        
        Police are looking for you bro..
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107252270/cctv-footage-released-in-hunt-for-man-who-attempted-to-grab-woman
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:08pm
      - itstricky
        
        …says the guy who wrote above:
        
        ….but, she has to return. We will be waiting.
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:11pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        starboard’s on a first strike, better go easy on him.
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:50pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Muttonbird is on strike 1 too:
        
        I understand why a Jew-centric person like Farrar wants the holocaust taught in schools because it adds to the Jew guilt thing and it gives modern Jews like the Netanyahu government a free ride to commit whatever atrocities they like.
        
        Like all Jews Farrar is a Jew first and a New Zealander second.
        
        But surely NZ history needs to be taught in schools no matter what. After all we live in New Zealand and children need to know what made us.
        
        [DPF: And that is Strike 1. Saying Jews put their religion ahead of their country is classic anti-semitism used to denigrate Jews for centuries. Also I am not Jewish as my mother wasn’t Jewish]
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:56pm
      - starboard
        
        Hey Front B, hows things over at the strandard…bawhahahaha!
        Full of loons!
        
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        September 20, 2018 9:59pm
      - starboard
        
        Oh dear…poor old muttonflaps. Actually, I don’t believe I got a strike? Got a warning that a strike was imminent if I called muttonflaps a **** again.
        
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        September 20, 2018 10:04pm
      - starboard
        
        “Fairmont Wairama robbing the Angus Inn bottle store in Hastings.”
        
        I wonder is his bro is called Holden ?
        
        “On August 26 the store was robbed by Fairmont Wairama. He had just turned 18 and two days earlier had appeared before Judge Bridget Mackintosh in Hastings District Court, where he was sentenced to 12 months home detention for his part in an aggravated robbery of a Havelock North petrol station. “
        
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        September 20, 2018 10:07pm
    - starboard
      
      A certain person may need to keep his smelly cod piece in his pants for once don’t ya think, Nosty..?
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:11pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Your previous comment regarding Fords and Holdens reminds me of the Commer door joke (Commodore), tragic if you have to explain jokes.
        
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        September 21, 2018 7:55am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  And the baayybbeee is going, and so is first fish.
  Wait for a snapper pick in front of Lady Liberty
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:40pm
- KevOB
  
  Ardern knows nothing about utu. Mika feels wronged. The price for that will be high. Mika seems to be a high status, high achiever. She will rightly have high expectations. Trampling on her mana is not smart.
  
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  September 20, 2018 10:18pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Being right shouldn’t have to be smart, that is how bullies thrive.
    
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    September 21, 2018 7:53am
starboard

This entire cluster fuck of a pretend government reminds me of the bad old days… Alamein Kopu, the tight 5 etc. What/who was the common denominator then?
That’s right..WP.
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September 20, 2018 8:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,
More sexual hanky-Panky at the UN.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/sep/18/senior-un-gender-and-youth-official-sacked-over-sexual-misconduct

Keep your gropey hands off our 1st family, you folks at the UN.
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September 20, 2018 8:34pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  sexual hanky-Panky … gropey hands
  
  Where’s Morrissey when he’s needed?
  
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  September 20, 2018 8:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t know… he seems to be dumping all the hard work on me these days.
    Bloody men…
    I s’pose he’ll take all the credit, and keep me on minimum wage.
    
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    September 20, 2018 8:45pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy:
      
      I s’pose he’ll take all the credit, and keep me on minimum wage
      
      I hope not. The least that Morrissey could do is to pay you enough to cover the cost of hiring a security team to protect yourself from the resident pervert. I’m sure Morrissey (with his ongoing interest in gropers) would agree!
      
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      September 20, 2018 9:33pm
Captain Mainwaring

I fear that Mark Richardson might not be invited back on ‘The Project’.
After the lefty lead man went on and on about how ‘fair’ it would be it we had a Capital Gains Tax, Mark responded by saying it would be a wonderful idea because if they pushed for it the current Government would be consigned to oblivion.
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September 20, 2018 9:01pm
Jack5

I disagree with much that’s in the Guardian, but this is an interesting article, and right in parts …

The push of ever-more young people into British university education is a huge con, writes Aditya Chakrabortty in the Guardian.

He describes the British universities, with an annual income of about $NZ66 billion, as a large lobby group and “perhaps the only industry whose growth has been explicitly mandated by prime ministers of all stripes.”

However, male graduates of 23 universities still earn less on average than non-graduates a whole decade after going into the work force, Chakrabortty writes.

Something similar is happening in NZ. Vocational training has been neglected, leading to a huge shortage of tradies and many other skills. We no longer train farm workers the way we used to, and have eroded the traditional path to farm ownership of cadet, worker, contractor.

We are pushing too many people into universities and saddling them with student debt, and meanwhile bring in tens of thousands of young foreigners to work. First it’s the petrol pumpers and pizza parlour staff. Next it will be the tradies.

It’s not because they are brighter that the new citizens will end up richer than young New Zealanders. It’s because they aren’t saddled with the same debt and false expectations, and because they haven’t been conned.

The reason it got this way is, first, that some people are making money out of it: university administrators, the immigration industry, private colleges, the hodge-podge of small businesses around universities, student-flat landlords …

The second reason is that successive governments have promoted this path for our young people. The worst instance is the current coalition’s free first-year at tertiary institutions. The money should have gone into subsidising apprenticeships.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/20/university-factory-failed-tony-blair-social-mobility-jobs
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September 20, 2018 9:53pm
Jack5

Has there been enough PC crap to spoil your day.

Here’s something on teaching history in NZ schools.

The stance of the reporter in the video interview is interesting.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/107206925/new-zealands-schooltaught-colonial-history-is-racist-and-needs-changing–say-teachers
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September 20, 2018 10:35pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  What was it that Labour said to National in the house? Something like we won you lost? Take that?
  
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  September 21, 2018 7:46am
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    We all know that is not true
    National won
    Labour were well second
    But the voters gave Winston the balance of power.
    
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    September 21, 2018 8:04am
Hugh Pavletich

CANADA: Torontonians overwhelmingly support new affordable housing, IPSOS poll finds …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-21-september-2018/#comment-3188903

CNW | The Majority of GTA Residents Agree that More Construction of New Homes will Help Housing Affordability, just not in their Backyards, a Home Building Industry and REALTORS® Joint Ipsos Poll Finds

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/the-majority-of-gta-residents-agree-that-more-construction-of-new-homes-will-help-housing-affordability-just-not-in-their-backyards-a-home-building-industry-and-realtors-joint-ipsos-poll-finds-693567121.html

GREATER TORONTO, Sept. 18, 2018 /CNW/ – The Building Industry and Land Development Association (BILD) and the Toronto Real Estate Board (TREB) have come together to shed light on voters’ priorities and issues for the upcoming municipal elections. Together, BILD and TREB represent all facets of the real estate industry. This is the second joint release of municipal election related poll results by the organizations.

“Last week’s poll data clearly showed that housing affordability and supply are key issues for GTA residents. Residents expect municipal politicians to tackle these issues in the upcoming election,” said Garry Bhaura, TREB President.… read more via hyperlink above ….
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Torontonians overwhelmingly support affordable housing, poll finds — just not in their backyard | Financial Post

https://business.financialpost.com/real-estate/torontonians-overwhelmingly-support-affordable-housing-poll-finds-just-not-in-their-backyard
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2018 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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