General Debate 19 September 2018

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krazykiwi

Welcome to McGovernment. Can I take your order please?
I’d like a Bill Burger.

I’m sorry sir, we stopped selling these a year ago. You might like to try our new COL Burger?
Oh. What’s in a COL Burger?

Horse fillet, eco-wilted greens, shredded economy, socialist sauce, and all served on a stardust-encrusted bun
Horse? Um, no thanks. Have any fish burgers?

Yes sir, we do. We have a Big Groper which is very popular with our younger guests, and a McFlounder.
I’ll have the McFlounder thanks.

Would you like any lies with that?
Yes please. Large lies.

So that’s one McFlounder with large lies. That comes to .. everything that’s in your wallet
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September 19, 2018 8:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Brilliant.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:05am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Thanks, that was a good laugh to start the day with!
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:05am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  As I clicked general debate today I wondered how many comments before a horse features reference.
  
  Lo, it was the very first comment and I must say I am not surprised. RWNJs up and down the country are so triggered by Jacinda Ardern it’s well past derangement syndrome – it’s a full blown degenerative disease.
  
  Get help, people!
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:28am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Why do we need to get help? We have you to tell us what is wrong with us!
    
    Simple really; you already know the flavour of this blog, why come here if it is not to your taste or is it just to be a nuisance, oh . . . . . .
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:29am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      OOOHH we need help alright, just look at what these clowns (CoL) are forcing on us.
      Never have the words of our National anthem been so relevant.
      Except I thought it was to protect us from foreign attack, not our own govt.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:02am
  - softail 1450
    
    Muttonturd, has got his outrage fix for the day,now he/she can F O…..
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:44am
    - Harkman
      
      Muttonturd ha! You crack me up ?
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:13am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    So you agree she looks like a horse?
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:49am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Bugger, I’ve been so slow on the uptake.
      That’s why winnie wanted tax breaks for pretty horse.
      It was actually a concession to Labour.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:00am
      - igm
        
        Peters’ tax break is for good looking horses so Ardern does not qualify.
        
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        September 19, 2018 9:02am
      - sooty
        
        You two win the comment of the day. So far!!
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:00am
  - srylands
    
    What the hell is a RWNJ?
    
    All I see here is a blog dominated by thoughtful people debating public policy. Sure there will be the odd derogatory comments directed at politicians. That’s inevitable. But those comments are exceptional.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:52am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Anyone who, politically speaking, is to the right of Bernie Sanders , Jeremy Corbyn or Chairman Mao is a Right Wing Nut Job. Apparently.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:16am
    - riffer
      
      It’s most likely a reference to some on here who attack anyone with a more liberal message than theirs. There’s a fair bit of personal abuse and downvoting of anyone who doesn’t fit with the predominant tribe’s worldview. There’s some thoughtful people on here, but a fair majority just like to have a go without thinking the issues through (or allowing for a healthy debate).
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:43am
      - srylands
        
        I don’t mind being down voted. People can disagree with me. But I have rarely been abused. The only sinister behaviour I saw here was from ztev, who made it clear to me that he knew my identity, my workplace, and my address.
        
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        September 19, 2018 9:56am
      - riffer
        
        Yeah, that’s off. If I were DPF, I’d have banned him for that. Downvotes don’t worry me either. I just like to have a good discussion. I can go without the personal insults and the name calling though. It’s a bit puerile. Happy to have someone rip my argument to pieces with facts though. Never too old to learn something.
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:07am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Social liberals like me don’t get a hard time here. I’ve often said I’m all for equal rights and opportunities for men and women, pro gay rights, pro choice.
        
        But I don’t want to live under a communist regime that takes even more of my money to waste on their pet projects and to pay out even more ‘welfare’ when people could work.
        
        And I sure as heck don’t want to let large numbers of ‘refugees’ into NZ who actually *don’t* share my liberal values re women and gays and want to oppress them, in the way Europe has.
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:33am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Healthy debate”. You mean like the left’s response to Don Brash or anyone else who has a differing opinion to you?
        
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        September 19, 2018 3:34pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Krazykiwi wins the internet today
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:13am
Paulus Gnome

Happy woman’s suffrage day! See how it is working out with a chip mister at the helm . . . . .

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September 19, 2018 8:00am
- dave_c_
  
  Was that ‘Chipmeister’ ?
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    A chip mister is a dyslexic chip miester (master of all things deep fried potato) or someone will poor spell check skills; take your pick
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:28am
    - hullkiwi
      
      PG, sorry, but the German word Meister (master) is spelt “ei” (pronounced as a hard I), not “ie”. You can blame me working in Germany for two years & Mrs HK having German as her first language.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:35am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Meistervoll!
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:34am
Scott

Why is the Supreme Court nomination of Brett Kavanaugh such a bun fight? Because liberals realise what’s at stake. They have used the power of the Supreme Court to bring in the secular, civilisation overturning measures that they could not bring in by the ballot box.
In 1962 the Supreme Court ruled against prayer in schools. They brought in a right to abortion in Roe vs Wade, thereby overturning the will of the people in all 50 states. Since then the Supreme Court has been filled with more activist judges who make the law rather than interpret the law.

The liberal neo Marxist revolution in the USA could not have happened without the Supreme Court.

Now there is a counter revolution and Trump is the spear and the remaking of the Supreme Court will be the shield. Justice Kavanaugh will for decades swing the court in a conservative direction. Laws will be interpreted from the judicial bench, as they should be. Not made by a group of unelected judges who think they know better than everybody else.

Now liberal progressives will have to actually win elections to implement their agenda. This they are unlikely to do. Hence liberals acting like sneaky children to smear a man of character for something he allegedly did in high school. Who could survive such a test?
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September 19, 2018 8:04am
- G152
  
  How can the democrats believe that their muck racking isn’t going to come back to bite them ?
  The ‘victim’ had 30 plus years to come forward..
  Why now unless there is an agenda (shock horror) ?????
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    If she had “come forward” in 1983 my guess is nothing would have happened – would likely have been put down to teens being teens and I would bet that the circumstances are a lot more equivocal than presented – if it was actually Kavanaugh involved. It is being bought out now as a political hit (planned and prepped since 2012 as Kavanaugh looked to be a likely conservative Supreme candidate) because of political motivations and enabled by changing standards for behaviour.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:54am
  - srylands
    
    I can’t remember much about 35 years ago. Unless there were multiple witnesses, how could such testimony be relied upon?
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:54am
    - Paulus
      
      But she is a strong left wing Psychiatric Professor Women so Kavanaugh hasn’t a chance.
      I understand that she is a leader in the Pro Abortion movement and he is against it personally hence this fiasco, to which no body else has any recollection.
      But he will not win against the woman’s movement.
      Delay is all they want in the hope that the November Elections will fall to the Democrats and they can appoint a left wing Judge.
      
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      September 19, 2018 1:45pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    #Metoo? How bloody ridiculous, hurry up and get him appointed.
    
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    September 19, 2018 11:59am
  - kloyd0306
    
    …because the sick and depraved Dems succeeded in tar and feathering Judge Bork – headed by Ted Kennedy. Kennedy while drunk, crashed his car into a river and walked away leaving his girlfriend to drown. Nice guy was Teddy.
    
    Meanwhile, Slick Willie, Bill Clinton gets a blow job under the Oval Office desk and gets a pass from his adoring leftist sickos.
    
    Never, ever trust a Democrat.
    
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    September 19, 2018 2:49pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Probably not the sitting judiciary.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:26am
- tas
  
  The timing seems to be a deliberate effort to delay Kavanaugh’s confirmation. It seems the democrats want the supreme court issue looming over the midterms.
  
  I think that’s a terrible strategy for them. If the supreme court hangs in the balance, republican voters will turn out. Democrat voters are not as strongly motivated by the supreme court.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:28am
  - Harkman
    
    The only thing is it might backfire, the Republican base isn’t enthused but this could bring older folks out to vote and a number one election issue if it lingers till November. Republicans may pick up seats I battleground states.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:17am
- Scott
  
  The good thing is that the Democrats are losing their minds over this! For example Senator Cory Booker “I am Spartacus” 🙂
  https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/progressive-madness-cory-booker-maxine-waters-john-kerry/
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:40am
- SGA
  
  In 1962 the Supreme Court ruled against prayer in schools. They brought in a right to abortion in Roe vs Wade, thereby overturning the will of the people in all 50 states. Since then the Supreme Court has been filled with more activist judges who make the law rather than interpret the law.
  
  The Supreme Court is a strange beast, Scott. The Roe vs Wade decision was largely a Republican appointed SC, the vote wasn’t close (7-2), and one of the dissenters, White, was a Democrat appointment (JFK).
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:48am
  - Scott
    
    Good comments SGA. One of the issues which you bring up is the judges that have been nominated by Republican presidents. For some years they have proved to be a disappointment and gone liberal once they attained the Supreme Court benches.
    
    However the essence of Roe versus Wade is that the Supreme Court mysteriously found that the Constitution demanded a right to abortion. This was an outlandish claim and the textbook definition of judicial overreach. In one fell swoop they overturned the laws regarding abortion of 50 states, substituting their own judgement for that of the elected representatives of the people of those states.
    
    In a democracy the people choose their representatives to go to Parliament or Congress and make laws. Here the Supreme Court has overturned that and substituted their own collective wisdom in a profoundly undemocratic way.
    
    Whatever you think about abortion if conservative judges one day decide that Roe versus Wade should be overturned then that is actually a good thing. It means that the states can decide their laws regarding abortion. It means the people can elect their representatives to decide those laws.
    
    It may be that some states have very liberal abortion laws and some states have very restrictive ones. However it will be a democratic process and outcome rather than one decided by judicial fiat.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:08am
    - SGA
      
      Supreme Court mysteriously found that the Constitution demanded a right to abortion
      
      Yes and no. As I understand it, the Supreme Court doesn’t make laws, per se. Instead, it tests laws against the Constitution. In Roe vs Wade, it decided that the sweeping laws against abortion in some states were at odds with aspects of the Constitution.
      
      However it will be a democratic process and outcome rather than one decided by judicial fiat.
      
      I had thought that one of the reasons for the Constitution and the SC was to protect citizens’ rights from exactly that process? Not so?
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:19am
      - Scott
        
        Well seeing that abortion was not mentioned in the Constitution it does seem a little bit of a stretch? One cannot imagine that the original framers of the Constitution were wanting to promote abortion? Generally Christians are against abortion and many of the framers of the Constitution, though not all, were Christians.
        
        But my salient point is that the abortion laws, or any other laws, are decided in Parliament or Congress by the elected representatives of the people. In this particular case the peoples will was frustrated by the judges who took upon themselves to decide what the abortion laws should be.
        
        This is not democracy. This is lawmaking by a group of judges who have a lifetime appointment and are therefore not subject to being voted out of office.
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:42am
      - SGA
        
        Well seeing that abortion was not mentioned in the Constitution it does seem a little bit of a stretch?
        
        The Supreme Court must deal with issues not imagined by the framers of the Constitution on a regular basis as time marches on. It is the nature of the beast.
        
        many of the framers of the Constitution, though not all, were Christians.
        
        But they also framed the Constitution in a way with a fairly clear separation of church and state.
        
        But my salient point is that the abortion laws, or any other laws, are decided in Parliament or Congress by the elected representatives of the people.
        
        Here I think you misunderstand an important part of why those men created a Constitution and a Supreme Court. In part, it serves to protect citizens’ basic rights from those elected officials (call it a tyranny of the majority, if you like). It protects me from any excesses of democratically elected YEC officials, say, and protects them from any excesses of democratically elected people like me.
        
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        September 19, 2018 11:05am
- SPC
  
  The reality is that Republicans in the Senate blocked by delay the appointment of an Obama nominee for Supreme Court in 2016.
  
  So some time in the future a Democrat majority Senate will block the appointee of a Republican in office.
  
  As to the issue at hand here, it is not now whether he did what was alleged, but whether he has lied about it since this became public. Not that it is likely whether this will come out, but it is now the real issue.
  
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  September 19, 2018 12:36pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    The Republican refusal to vote on Merrick Garland wasn’t without precedent, and in fact used an informal “rule” labelled the Biden rule as Joe Biden had proposed back in the 1990’s that a sitting president in their last year shouldn’t nominate a member of SCOTUS. But it was unusual.
    
    However the issue isn’t about whether Kavanaugh lied about it as you say, it is really whether this anything but an utterly disgraceful political stunt. There is the possibility that the same complainant attempted to use the same smear on Gorsuch.
    
    But Kavanaugh cannot readily defend against a claim of something that occurred at an uncertain date in an uncertain place. He flatly denies anything of this nature took place, and the other person named also issued a flat denial. Other than that, what else could he say ? He can’t deny being somewhere that isn’t identified at an undefined time – which is why the complainants lack of specificity is troubling.
    
    I reckon that the real question is on just how dishonest and despicable can the Democrats go in their attempts to hold up the confirmation process. Is every single prospective SCOTUS member to be held hostage to these tactics ?
    
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    September 19, 2018 2:32pm
Simon

Jacindamania was the magic to implement socialism properly this time but Winston Ono broke it all up.
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September 19, 2018 8:05am
sooty

You lot are been mean. Girls can do anything. Except ours is shit for brains and her party is no better.
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September 19, 2018 8:06am
BananaLlama

Did Australian Vice-Chancellor Jan Thomas become the colonial oppressor she hates? Why is she dictating to New Zealanders what freedoms they are allowed from a government funded University?
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September 19, 2018 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah , wtf is a ti tiriti led university?
  
  When did that happen and who decided ?
  
  I love it though , can’t imagine what today’s progs would make of Massey’s world view.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:20am
- Viking2
  
  Haven’t they dismissed her yet?
  Disgrace to the women race.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:39am
Inandout

Steel workers walk off the job on Suffragette Day, and i heard Court workers are also striking. How can they steal the news off SD, where every council in NZ is having celebrations to praise 125 years? Why 125 years and not 150? Anyway a large lady on Garner, who seemed ashamed of being white, is today pushing for diversity for every sex bender and race.
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September 19, 2018 8:08am
- VicParking
  
  Because Cindy will be forgotten in five years time.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:11am
  - cmm
    
    “Cindy will be forgotten in five years time.”
    
    I hope not. I hope she and her ineptitude is remembered for a whole generation!
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:52am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    There is no way SLG will be forgotten in 5 years, we’ll still be paying the bills.
    
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    September 19, 2018 6:09pm
- Paulus
  
  Court staff in Tauranga and Rotorua on strike to day as well.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:32am
oldpark

Then there was the woman known as Ardern who was selected by a maverick called Peters to be NZs PM.
Yesterday on a morning radio show she was asked by Mike Hosking about GDP.
Seems Ardern backed off that question, thinking it meant ” General Dental Practitioner”, for obvious reasons, and maybe not a good look.Go figure.
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September 19, 2018 8:08am
- Inandout
  
  It appears the annointed woman is announcing CGT this week, and unintended consequences will kill the real estate market. If I was silly enough to have a domestic (as opposed to commercial) rental I would sell immediately.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:12am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Given that even the Tax Smeller General Cullen admits that a CGT is a non-starter, I guess it`s full steam ahead for it from this pack of economic know all know-nothings.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:30am
    - igm
      
      It is only supported leeches who have not got off their arses, done a bit of, work, saved a little, been frugal, and now live in rental accommodation (most of it under threat of sale).
      And oh, if one has more than one property, that person must be really screwed, they are really wealthy . . . that being the mentality of these useless bastards.
      
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      September 19, 2018 8:49am
  - riffer
    
    If it happens, it will be tough for those who’ve invested in this particular bubble. But it’s a bubble that needs to be burst. The smart ones will find a better place to invest. It’s not as if they haven’t seen this coming. It was never sustainable and better to try and bring it down now, rather than have it burst on its own accord. That would be disastrous.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:46am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes but what to invest in? With poor GDP results the cash rate may be further cut, so bonds and savings will go backwards. Business and consumer confidence are softening local equities. Global equities are apparently about to go through another hit similar to 08, China’s slowing down, Brexit, immigration etc.
      
      Back to gold, I suppose – oh no, that’s dropped 12% in the last 6 months!
      
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      September 19, 2018 11:59am
  - freethinker
    
    We are building shortly and our house which we previously considered as a rental will now be either sold or B&B.
    
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    September 19, 2018 11:22am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “General Dental Practitioner”
  or
  God Dammed Pathetic”
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:09am
secondcumming

iPredict……

*Countdown Supermarkets* will rue the day they stopped providing plastic bags to their customers.

I now treat our local Countdown like a corner dairy…..only buying what I can carry out in one hand.

To me, it’s like going to an Asian brothel and being expected to bring your own condoms 🙁

*See recently released CCTV security footage from Countdown*……..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmyvARnUYAEhiU4.jpg
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September 19, 2018 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  I will take out a green plastic basket in the trolley every time I shop, but yes I won’t be buying unnecessary items. Much of the stuff I buy at the supermarket is on impulse, or because they are on special. I witness trolleys packed to brimming with items I am sure will never be opened or used.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:16am
- GazzaW
  
  I very ostentatiously hang up and pack my two multi-reused bright yellow PaknSave plastic bags at the Countdown self-service checkout as a protest. The gesture is not appreciated
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:32am
- riffer
  
  All very well protesting against Countdown by not shopping there. That’s absolutely your right as a consumer. But when they are all doing it (and it will happen) then you’re gonna get hungry fast.
  When I was in Australia recently I came across the no single-use bag policy. It wasn’t so bad really. If I was dumb enough to forget my multi-use bags that were in the car boot, I just bought some more for $1 each. No dramas. I’ve got much bigger problems to worry about.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:49am
  - sooty
    
    Yes you do have bigger problems to worry about. For starts, how about Jacinda’s piss poor performance.
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:05am
    - riffer
      
      Doesn’t affect me much. I’m one of those people who aren’t too poor; aren’t too rich. Neither government really works for me, so I can look at things on a policy by policy basis or what I think is best for the country. There’s some stuff I like about this government, much like there was some stuff I liked about the last, and there’s some stuff I don’t like. So far I dislike the new ones less than I disliked the old ones, but give them time. Eventually I’ll no doubt hate them just as much.
      
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      September 19, 2018 10:09am
- Piniwi
  
  @ With secondcumming with Countdowns baskets increasing in popularity it an opening for an enterprising Kiwi to produce a low temp shrink wrap to make them suitable to shop anywhere with. Returns could be boosted for the covers by selling the blank space for local advertising while Countdown feel the full impact of unintended consequences. Since the baskets are not bar coded they will only have the receipts from additional baskets being replaced to even know it is costing them big time. Lets do this.
  
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  September 19, 2018 2:57pm
wiseowl

Following on from the Thomas expose.

What is a “Treaty led University” ?

Is this how all our universities are being termed.
If so it is wrong.
There were no universities here in 1840 and Maori would not have had a clue about education.There was no rule of law FFS.
Maori should be grateful for the education system and it shows again how upside down things are and how this Treaty business is totally out of hand.
What are National going to do about this infiltration of our institutions?
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September 19, 2018 8:10am
- softail 1450
  
  wiseowl the Nats are as bad as labour when it comes to the Maori gravy train…
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:17am
  - Viking2
    
    Worse actually.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:41am
- Inandout
  
  Get educated somewhere overseas where there is no Treaty.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:18am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yup, with NZ universities sliding academic standards, and ridiculous PC course requirements, I will endeavour to get my kids into proper foreign unis.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:00am
- KevOB
  
  When are we going to charge Maori for improvements in opportunities?
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:43am
  - riffer
    
    When you give them back three-quarters of the land that was theirs, I guess.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:51am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Including the land they SOLD?
      or Given away?
      What a great scam that is.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:11am
    - Stephen James
      
      Yeah, let’s start with YOUR house and property.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:12am
      - riffer
        
        My quarter acre isn’t going to even be a drop in the bucket is it? You miss my point.
        
        Go have a read:
        https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/publications-and-resources/school-resources/te-roroa/how-the-land-was-lost/
        
        You’re welcome.
        
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        September 19, 2018 9:51am
      - starboard
        
        You dont own a 1/4 acre MM, you live with your Mum in her over 60’s council unit.
        
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        September 19, 2018 7:34pm
    - KevOB
      
      Following Maori custom the land we acquired remains ours.
      
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      September 19, 2018 1:58pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      …the land belonged to the Mori Oris before them. The Maoris ate them.
      
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      September 19, 2018 3:01pm
      - Nermal
        
        At a TOW hearing in the Chatham Islands:
        By what right do you claim this land?
        By right of conquest
        
        So we should use the same argument
        
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        September 19, 2018 4:56pm
- Chris R
  
  Owl: I suspect that a “treaty led university” is one that is led by fools, is stuck in 1840 thinking and fosters steamy garbage of the type only Taxinda and her dribbly supporters would come close to understanding? Massey needs to rid itself of its lying V.C. and then dispense with being “treaty led!”
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:04am
  - Paulus
    
    It appears that she has lied to her employers – this is now shown by the release of many mails showing she lied.
    Goodbye – you will get a good reference when you have gone back to Australia.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:35am
- MrLovebucket
  
  A Treaty led uni should be one that is fully funded by iwi and not receive another cent from the tax payer.
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:38am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Perhaps, but guess where iwi get 95% of their money from?
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:02pm
  - Komata
    
    Wasn’t Hopu Hopu going to be exatly that; but ONLY for Tainui?
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:34pm
- Piniwi
  
  But wiseowl have you by chance seen a picture of the special fat-culty who this policy revolves around. They are enormous bone or green-stone wearing darlings.
  
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  September 19, 2018 3:02pm
GazzaW

Will Hipkins adhere to the Speaker’s edict and front with the Curran gmails at QT today or will Labour have found a loophole overnight?
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September 19, 2018 8:11am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Mallard was pretty insistent, so it will be interesting to see if Hipkins complies with the Speaker’s direction.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How will we know that it reveals all the gmails?
    
    I notice that the PMs texts aren’t being requested.
    Did she really not respond to Handley’s text?
    
    Hon Simon Bridges: Has she had any conversations, emails, or texts with Derek Handley since she’s been Prime Minister?
    
    Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, to answer with some accuracy, I would want to go back. [Interruption]
    
    SPEAKER: Order!
    
    Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: My best recollection is that I received, some months ago, a text from Mr Handley mentioning the Chief Technology Officer role, which I do not recall directly engaging with, as that would not have been appropriate.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:20am
    - rangitoto
      
      How did Handley have Ardern’s cell phone number?
      
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      September 19, 2018 8:23am
      - sooty
        
        Aunty Helen gave it to him?
        
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        September 19, 2018 8:34am
      - niggly
        
        Why would Handley even be asking the Prime Minister in the first place?
        
        It’s not something that one would normally do … well not unless they were “mates” perhaps and therefore “causal” contact was considered normal?
        
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        September 19, 2018 8:39am
      - riffer
        
        PM has already admitted that they were acquaintances before she became PM. That’s probably why he texted her. Quite rightly, she did not text back. That would have been inappropriate. If she has any sense, she’d do what Key and English did, and delete texts on a regular basis. Despite it being established that texts are subject to OIA requests, it’s been hard to get them so far.
        
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        September 19, 2018 8:54am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Ardern knew him socially – had dinner with him at least once.
        
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        September 19, 2018 9:03am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Niggly: Sorry….stupidly clicked “report”
        My “reply” would be:
        Maybe, when we apply for a job at Fonerra, we should all call the managing director to advise him and make our pitch over the phone.
        
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        September 19, 2018 9:15am
      - backster
        
        I read a report of a historic excerpt from People Magazine of a gathering hosted by Handley when Ardern was a opposition Labour MP she spoke on Labour policies at the meeting.
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:57am
    - lifesgood
      
      And she actually expects us to believe that…another lie! Of course she responded, he’s an old friend of hers.
      
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      September 19, 2018 1:50pm
  - G152
    
    Mallard going to insist the coalition do something ??
    Riiiight.
    Temperature in Hell saying
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:25am
- RF
  
  That bloody dog ate the emails……
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:41am
  - riffer
    
    I didn’t know Clare Curran had Bill English’s dog.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:54am
    - waldonz
      
      Good morning Ztev. I’ve missed you around the place.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:26am
      - riffer
        
        Wrong. I’m a whole new type of pain in your arse.
        
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        September 19, 2018 9:52am
- ex-golfer
  
  This will be completely dependent on Nick Smith phrasing his primary question to the standards that Mallard expects.
  Mallard made it perfectly clear yesterday that if the question is appropriately worded, then Hipkins will have no choice but to table or reveal the contents of the gmail.
  
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  September 19, 2018 11:54am
Happychappy

I’m looking forward to the seeing some of the comments making fun of Andrew Little now that he has decided that Paula Bennett, john Key and others are open slather to his weird sense of humor and relevant enough for MSM to publish.
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September 19, 2018 8:12am
- igm
  
  That slimey Little is possibly the most distasteful of Labour’s current line-up of scum. He was a weasel to deal with as a unionist, and is a bigger weasel in politics . . . no wonder his home town (New Plymouth) showed him the arse card (twice).
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:29am
  - sooty
    
    Hay, Angry do you remember getting beaten up behind the bike shed.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:33am
    - igm
      
      Bet he ran to the teachers and told tales . . . he looks like a narking wimp.
      
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      September 19, 2018 8:51am
Longknives

That Jackie Blue is a piece of work isn’t she?
Was part watching Breakfast TV while getting kids ready for School and I heard her being interviewed about Woman’s Suffrage.
There was the usual sneering attacks on ‘Old White Men’ (which you kind of expect from TVNZ these days) but then I heard her say we need ‘Quotas’ of Women on Boards and in Government- a ludicrous idea that when you think about it is actually insulting to Women!
The whole segment then kind of jumped the shark when someone started bleating about Maori rates of imprisonment…
What that has to do with Woman’s Suffrage is utterly beyond me- Especially as a massive amount of these Maori in Prison are there for Domestic Violence…AGAINST WOMEN!
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September 19, 2018 8:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  Kate Shepherd may find some women of today are taking her opinion as guaranteed. Values and morals were very much more reserved 125 years ago. I doubt Kate Shepherd would approve of much of today’s expectations by some women.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:27am
  - igm
    
    WK: Bet she would not like to see her hard work and goodwill now hijacked by left-wing vile dykes.
    
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    September 19, 2018 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    “I doubt Kate Shepherd would approve of much of today’s expectations by some women.”??
    
    Like Birth control?
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:11am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Like despite having birth control options unimaginable in Sheppard’s day, so many women are electing to breed indiscriminately and demand support from the state.
      
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      September 19, 2018 10:27am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “Especially as a massive amount of these Maori in Prison are there for Domestic Violence…AGAINST WOMEN!”
  
  And there we have it: the vast and dangerous hypocrisy of wanting equal right for women while pretending that all cultures are equal and wonderful.
  
  It just isn’t true and the sooner people who really care about equal rights for women, the better!
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:45am
softail 1450

longknives and FFS wasn’t it a bunch of old white men that actually gave the bints the right to vote 125 years ago ?
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September 19, 2018 8:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Only done to give white interests a boost in voting power.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:07am
- MCos
  
  Wrong.
  They weren’t ‘old white men’
  Four were Maori
  Some of the MPs were in their thirties
  
  ‘Bint’ is a derogatory word for girl or woman
  Why do you use it?
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:02am
- Paulus
  
  Only after the Isle of Man and the Cook Islands gave the vote to women.
  NZ was third country despite the lies being perpetrated.
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:51pm
  - MCos
    
    The Cook Islands gave women the vote after NZ by a few days, but their next election occurred before the one here.
    http://www.cookislandsnews.com/item/41567-it-rsquo-s-been-120-years-women-and-the-vote/41567-it-rsquo-s-been-120-years-women-and-the-vote
    Pitcairn Island beat everyone
    
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    September 19, 2018 6:07pm
VicParking

Who’s going to bet that the COL will turn up with all the emails today for question time.
1. We did not have the time to redact all the incriminating bits.
2. A number of them are covered by Cabinet stupidity
3. We used some to rap up fish and chips
4. Some were stolen by Nicky Hagar or maybe Julian Assange we are not sure
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September 19, 2018 8:22am
JibberJabber

Heh, men have been suffering since forever, since the creation of Eve it`s been all downhill ? for us.
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September 19, 2018 8:22am
- igm
  
  Sure a line-up of dykes on MSM today — as yet have not heard one who has made any actual contribution to commerce, all being taxpayer-, ratepayer-, or union-funded.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:25am
AgainstTheFlow

The amount of Estrogen flowing out of Morning Report today is very notable.
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September 19, 2018 8:23am
- VicParking
  
  More like post Menopause diarrhea.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:33am
DigNap15

Now we need a Maori Climate change Person!

It really is time we started to role back all of this Apartheid!
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September 19, 2018 8:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If you want someone to promote a fraud like catastrophic climate change who better to hire than a convicted fraudster (Donna Awatere Huata?)
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:09am
  - GoVege
    
    Donna A-H has more than paid her debt to society.
    She and her supporters repaid the entire amount she took and yet she still had to do two years time.
    This is exactly the kind of pointless,vengeful punishment that alienates Maori and other races.
    And the reason why the only two politicians jailed in recent times have both been Polynesian.
    Jail should be for violent offenders who pose an actual danger to society.
    Yet judges let violent ones off and give long sentences to non violent ones.
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:20pm
    - Nermal
      
      Don’t you mean “Donna Stealer from children”?
      
      Surprised it’s taken her so long to get back into a trough
      
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      September 19, 2018 5:04pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Huata is looking quite trim since the stomach-stapling operation we paid for, via the use of funds stolen from the children’s literacy trust.
    
    I wonder how her fat pig of a husband, wi-wee-wee Huata is doing?
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:26pm
    - GoVege
      
      It’s all been paid back long ago, Loddenthinks.
      How do you feel about that other Maori lady who got paid multimillions through a Maori educational institution while the director was….her dad?
      
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      September 19, 2018 12:44pm
      - Nermal
        
        And the other Maori lady MP who defrauded the government while a beneficiary, but apparently hasn’t been charged yet
        
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        September 19, 2018 5:07pm
- Woz
  
  How can the same NZ Herald article refer to that ghastly conceited criminal’s alleged lifelong efforts to end division and racism; and then quote her referring to European NZers as “colonists”?
  
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  September 19, 2018 6:28pm
VicParking

Kim Hill is currently on Red Radio interviewing women about…..? Don’t actually know because she does not let them speak. All we hear is Kim going on and on and on and on and not allowing them to get a word in at all.
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September 19, 2018 8:28am
- softail 1450
  
  vicparking , Hill is a fricking joke ,id like to know what she is doing to have not been booted to touch years ago, you’d be hard pressed to find someone that has got ten words out before her butting in and ruining whatever answer was being given, a horrid little leftie shit she is ,,,,,
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:53am
  - lifesgood
    
    I agree with all you say, softail, but she sure stuck one to Ardern the other day so ups for that
    
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    September 19, 2018 1:54pm
secondcumming

Sounds like Jacinda really got up Hosking’s nose with her comment during Question Time yesterday…..he’s replayed the GDP tape about 10 times this morning 🙂
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September 19, 2018 8:31am
- waikatogirl
  
  I wonder if Cindy got any sleep last night or was she replaying over and over where she went wrong in her reply to Mike’s question on her knowledge of the GDP figures? Then Simon made her look like a SLG by asking awkward questions during QT. Deary, deary me. Bet she’d love to erase the whole embarrassing episode. ?
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:45am
  - RF
    
    We all know Ardern is thick but after yesterday’s Clusterfk she has more than proven that and left no doubt.
    
    I have heard that she has to be coached daily prior to interviews etc… so what happened.
    
    Is it true she is just a blow up doll full of hot air…..
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:02am
  - VicParking
    
    If John Key had made a mistake and the Dollar moved because of it, it would have been headlines and he would be accused of manipulation to help his currency mates.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:29am
    - riffer
      
      A-hem.
      
      29 years ago, he worked closely with a famed currency trader who mounted a brutal speculative attack on the Kiwi dollar. The attack, which has entered forex (foreign exchange) trading legend for its scale, audacity and profitability, prompted Reserve Bank alarm that the currency would collapse.
      
      If that wasn’t a mistake, is it true that he attempted to manipulate the currency to help his mates?
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:56am
      - starboard
        
        errr..JK left the building some time ago.
        
        Do keep up, friend.
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:11am
      - plc
        
        Andy Krieger’s position was closed out in 1987 – before John Key joined Bankers Trust
        
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        September 19, 2018 3:28pm
EAD_TWO

The MSM really is going all out against Viktor Orban these days. The level of smearing and abuse really has gone beyond the pale.

He was so correct when he said:

“We are fighting an enemy that is different from us. Not open, but hiding; not straightforward but crafty; not national but international; does not believe in working but speculates with money; does not have its own homeland but feels it owns the whole world.”
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September 19, 2018 8:34am
- softail 1450
  
  EAD TWO, Orban is the sort of leader needed to stop the liberal slime from infecting the entire planet ,unfortunately there are not enough leaders like him ,YET.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:57am
  - MCos
    
    So
    Kiwi women are ‘bints’
    Liberals are ‘slime’
    
    Pretty soon you will have insulted everyone
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:10am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Oh well, I suppose having a soft tail is a continuous disappointment ;).
      
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      September 19, 2018 10:49am
    - Garbageman
      
      Settle down MCos this blog doesn’t need a hall monitor all sorts of bizarre fun & nasty comments get made here if you are that thin skinned a, political blog probably isn’t the best place for you
      
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      September 19, 2018 1:42pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, like the” Soros Law” and other trends towards authoritarian rule?
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:13am
kevn

JA’s cheesy face is all over newpapers this morning. Even in our local Rotorua rag.
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September 19, 2018 8:35am
- greybeard
  
  Yep, they are in full damage control / deflection mode.
  
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  September 19, 2018 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

You could always divorce your wife if she votes:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/08/scores-of-women-divorced-or-abandoned-for-voting-in-tanzanian-elections

Only place in the World where women are forbidden from voting:
Vatican City
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Vatican_City
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September 19, 2018 8:35am
- riffer
  
  Hardly surprising that the Catholic church is the last bastion of stupid old white men. I’d hardly hold those kiddie fiddler enablers up as exemplars of righteousness.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:56am
  - GazzaW
    
    Senior Vatican staffers might still be universally male but not stupid, not all old and definitely not all white.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:08am
    - riffer
      
      Good point. I retract the “white” portion of my statement. I maintain the stupidity part, which I reserve for anyone with imaginary friends. As for the old, I’ve not seen any young ones in charge.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:15am
      - starboard
        
        I believe riffer is infact, MM.
        
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        September 19, 2018 4:35pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘What’s with all the stupid old white men hate here today? Has KB been taken over by pantywaists or something?’
    
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    September 19, 2018 1:43pm
rightoverlabour

I watched a bit of Simon ripping into the SLG yesterday. She quipped something to the effect of “that’s why you are on that side”. She must remember that the only reason she is on “her” side is that the drunken dwarf dictator next to her ALLOWS her to stay there… I have not really attacked Jacinda, as a person, but after watching her yesterday, I thought what a petulant little Bitch. Fuck, Clark (with an “E” for Emirates) must have rocks in his head to date her.
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September 19, 2018 8:39am
- All_on_Red
  
  She won’t get away with using that line everyday
  It’ll get old and he’ll think of a comeback
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:46am
  - alloytoo
    
    The come back is obvious,
    
    “National chose not to be part of a NZ-First Led Coalition”
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Pete George put up transcripts and video clips of the relevant exchanges.
  https://yournz.org/2018/09/18/bridges-versus-ardern-in-question-time/
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:52am
  - GazzaW
    
    There’s no doubt that Bridges will continue the attack today hopefully with the added ammunition of the Curran gmails. He very nearly pushed her over the edge yesterday – she was fuming when delivering her “Next question!!” response and an overhead shot a few minutes later showed that she had left the Chamber.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:03am
    - VicParking
      
      Neve was crying or was it Robbo.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:31am
- cmm
  
  “Clark (with an “E” for Emirates) must have rocks in his head ”
  
  At first it must have looked like a good way to score a new boat and matching Land cruiser and score free flights etc.
  
  After all the koha Cindy has generously poured into the islands I’m sure he gets treated like royalty when he goes on island safaris.
  
  Perhaps it’s a good deal if you think long term.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:59am
- Richard
  
  From his fishing background he’s used to being around angry stubborn, mindless things that smell like fish. Make of that what you will….
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:58am
- Komata
  
  RoL
  
  And noticeably she was actually ready for ‘THE NEXT QUESTION’…!!
  
  Which, of course, only served to prove the point you have made…
  
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  September 19, 2018 12:46pm
secondcumming

“Quick hun……I need a distraction from all this shit going down”

https://twitter.com/MSNNZ/status/1041900222387900417
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September 19, 2018 8:48am
- waikatogirl
  
  Re secondcummings attachment
  Congratulations to Cindy and Clarke on getting married? You kept that very quiet or is it yet another lie?
  I don’t care if they are only living together, but ‘husband’ is such a specific word for those who are actually married!
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:57am
- cmm
  
  More and more “Kardashins do Beehive” every day.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:01am
- Garbageman
  
  If you scroll down that page the pic in the hospital bed is pure gold
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:50pm
- Nermal
  
  I thought there was a Speaker ordered moratorium on photographing the royal sprog
  
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  September 19, 2018 5:13pm
GazzaW

The Herald had broken the story of the Massey freedom of speech outrage and acknowledged DPF.

Let the storm begin.
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September 19, 2018 8:54am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Good on the Herald. (And thanks to DPF for all the hard work.)
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:20am
- Nermal
  
  Don’t worry, it will disappear by tomorrow
  
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  September 19, 2018 5:13pm
riffer

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
What’s with all the women hate here today? Has KB been taken over by Incel or something?
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September 19, 2018 8:57am
- igm
  
  It is not women hate, it is the fact that a good cause has been hijacked by some of the most unsavoury members of society, now being used as a political football to undermine anything that has male connotations, or is not of a left-wing persuasion.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s not hate for women. It’s more like hate for authoritarianism.
  Hate for “I know what’s best for young minds. They must be shielded from incorrect ideas.”
  Hate for “We have a narrative to support. Nothing is permitted to challenge it.”
  Hate for “If you do not agree with us, you must be cast out.”
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:18am
- sam green
  
  riffer – they’re mostly 4Chan elders on here.
  
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  September 19, 2018 3:34pm
  - starboard
    
    stoooooopid boy gween sam
    
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    September 19, 2018 4:32pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ?
    
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    September 19, 2018 5:26pm
DigNap15

We do have too many women in positions of power and influence.
They tend to be left wing SKWs
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September 19, 2018 9:03am
- riffer
  
  Not sure what an SKW is. What percentage of women in power and influence would you deem appropriate? And why?
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:17am
  - cmm
    
    “What percentage of women in power and influence would you deem appropriate?”
    
    Trick question eh.
    
    The correct answer is it does not matter. Choose people by looking at their actual capability and not in their knickers.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:21am
    - riffer
      
      Well, I guess therein lies the heart of the problem doesn’t it. Because who defines the capabilities of the organisation? And what particular biases do they bring to the table? That’s what led us originally to have such a male dominated society.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:29am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Oh bull! I’ve worked in previously mainly male fields where within the last decades some bosses were female and did fine.
        
        If they have good leadership qualities, are prepared to put in the time to train up and the punishing hours, women can be leaders.
        
        But nobody, including women, should be a leader just because of their genitals!
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm, knickers ?like Maggy Thatcher?
      
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      September 19, 2018 10:00am
      - cmm
        
        Maggie had more strength than any British PM since her: male or female.
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:42am
      - All_on_Red
        
        The word ‘knickers’ obviously gets creepy underwear boys attention!
        
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        September 19, 2018 11:07am
      - rangitoto
        
        Maggie was the greatest PM of UK history.
        
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        September 19, 2018 12:42pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        All on Red:
        
        The word ‘knickers’ obviously gets creepy underwear boys attention!
        
        Especially when he writes “knickers” and “Maggy” in the same sentence!
        
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        September 19, 2018 7:54pm
      - nasska
        
        I reckon that he may need help with his vision after that lesson in mental masturbation Nostra: 🙂
        
        https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/af-screen-clene-wipes-tub-of-100/6919800?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIl5-cmszG3QIVjwYqCh0kIwFCEAQYAyABEgKBePD_BwE
        
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        September 19, 2018 8:00pm
    - calendar girl
      
      The over-reaching imbalance of women in education could leave pupils – both boys and girls – with too little exposure to males. Noting wrong with a 55:45 imbalance, or similar, but if the gender balance becomes seriously lopsided then it could have an unhealthy effect on impressionable young minds during their early, vital years of development; especially at primary level up to 12 / 13 years of age.
      
      The best data that I can find on the matter was from 2004: https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/publications/schooling/teacher_census : summary figures below. And I anticipate that the female dominance may have increased over that last 14 years:
      
      School Type Female Male
      Primary 82% 18%
      Composite* 69% 31%
      Secondary 58% 42%
      Special 83% 17%
      Total 73% 27%
      
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      September 19, 2018 10:21am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        % Figures from 2018:
        
        Primary: 78 F : 12 M
        
        Secondary: 60 F : 40 M
        
        Entire School System: 75 F : 25 M
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/02/lack-of-male-teachers-means-boys-are-missing-out-principal.html
        
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        September 19, 2018 1:38pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Thanks for the current data, Maggy.
        
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        September 19, 2018 5:07pm
  - DigNap15
    
    20%
    Just a random thought.
    Its probably about 60% now
    And zero percent in education.
    Because I dislike womens influence in education.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:21am
    - riffer
      
      Well I dislike car drivers and they should be taken off the road so I can ride my motorcycle happily. But that’s hardly an opinion likely to be shared by the majority. Your likes and dislikes aren’t backed up with any reasons why. Now if you’d said “I dislike women in education because their influence leads to a diminishing of the importance of end of year exams, which traditionally favoured boys, and I believe it’s having a detrimental effect on men in our society,” then that would be a rational argument. Instead, I’m left wondering exactly what you meant. And it leaves your comment open to interpretation which is probably incorrect. What exactly do you dislike about women’s influence in education?
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:33am
      - MCos
        
        He doesn’t know because it’s not in his Māori dictionary
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:14am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Knowing Big Nappy, my pick is zero because they should all be in the kitchen.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:24am
    - riffer
      
      Eh? The ’50s called and they want Muttonbird back.
      
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      September 19, 2018 9:35am
    - Garbageman
      
      Isn’t that where all good kitchen appliances should be Muttonbird
      
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      September 19, 2018 1:54pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    What percentage of primary school teachers should be female?
    
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    September 19, 2018 3:16pm
DigNap15

Todays Maori Vocab Lesson
The word is (as used in Parliament yetserday)
Semantics
Sorry not in either of my printed Maori Dictionaries.
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September 19, 2018 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But here it is in Chinese (in readiness for next week)
  语义学
  (yǔ yì xué)
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:39am
waikatogirl

Phil’s Kiwibuild 39.2sqm studio apartments have had to go back to the drawing board to be increased to 40sqm, the minimum size banks will lend a mortgage on. Phil was unfazed by this unforeseen glitch. If only someone had thought to check with financial lenders during the planning stages the launch could have been celebrated instead of made him look ridiculous again. ?
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September 19, 2018 9:05am
- dave_c_
  
  No doubt there’ll be more ‘adjustments’, as the omissions and oversights are discovered. The COL are bending over backwards to maintain the lowest level of competence already being exhibited.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:13am
- kevn
  
  @WG…. but, but, phil knows it all.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:15am
- riffer
  
  Why exactly is it that the banks won’t lend on properties less than 40m²? How is the tiny house thing taking off then? Seems to me there’s a massive gap in the market that an institution could jump in on, and cash in with. With house prices going up, this could be huge.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:40am
  - Evadne
    
    If there was a “massive gap in the market that an institution could jump in on, and cash in with”, you can be sure the banks would be in there tomorrow, if not today.
    
    Which means there isn’t.
    
    Funnily enough, banks like some surety for their lending. And tomorrow’s slums don’t rate highly as safe investments.
    
    Moreover, houses that size are often in breach of building codes.
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:12am
  - waikatogirl
    
    That’s why tiny houses are built on wheels. Different regs required from a house/apartment.
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:46am
    - sooty
      
      Bit hard for the bank to forclose if it can not find the house!
      
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      September 19, 2018 11:40am
- GazzaW
  
  No doubt Judith will remind Phil of the bank loan requirements at QT today. What a joke that man is.
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:08am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Aside from the under 40sqm screw up.
    When first married, by wife and I lived in a ‘bed sit’ in Crystal Palace (London), that was bigger than 40 sqm.
    Collins’ quip about double garages is very true.
    
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    September 19, 2018 11:20am
- Happychappy
  
  But Phil is Hughs star prodigy and should have known better but like every job Phil has he knows best. Another of many fuckups that will happen with Kiwibuild.
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:32am
- GoVege
  
  Is that the site where Phil was standing in front of a beautiful old house being ripped apart by a bulldozer?
  Have these Labour ministers NO sensitivity!!!??
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:45am
  - Komata
    
    GV
    
    Re: ‘Have these Labour ministers NO sensitivity!!!??’
    
    In a word ‘No’, unless it’s in Freeman’s Bay or Remmers and belong to ‘Important People’ within the party (such as themselves), who would suddenly become very vocal if it was suggested that THEIR ‘beautiful old house’ was to be torn down.
    
    Once again’ Do as I say, not as I do…’
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:59pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  ” unforeseen glitch”
  But not preventable, this is Labour, competence is never expected.
  With Phil…competence, is unattainable.
  
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  September 19, 2018 11:17am
DigNap15

Who is going to live in all of these apartments?
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September 19, 2018 9:22am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Families of five with two dogs.
  Welcome to Dhaka of the South Pacific.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:43am
  - sooty
    
    Who’s gunna want to live next door?
    There goes the property value!
    
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    September 19, 2018 11:37am
Odakyu-sen

US 10-year treasury bills are on the move again.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=US10Y

Make of it what you will. (Trade war looming?)

Know this: An increase in interest rates from 4% to 6% is a 50% increase.
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September 19, 2018 9:23am
- Richard
  
  The US dollar going up will make it easier for US firms to buy Chinese imports despite the tariffs. I can see alot of tweets attacking the U.S Fed in the near future……
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:50am
  - BananaLlama
    
    Well deserved considering they gave the Kenyan a free ride off everyone else’s back with zero % rates for his entire 8 years.
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      “the Kenyan ” ?? a ‘free ride “??
      
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      September 19, 2018 10:16am
      - BananaLlama
        
        Do you support freedom of speech yet Stephie?
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:18am
      - stephieboy
        
        Yes, I do and the freedom to challenge your kind of falsehoods,
        
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/01/18/trumps-economic-scorecard-one-year-post-inauguration/#21948e9d6b67
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:22am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your link is 8 months old Dumbass
        Last Quarter GDP was 4.1%
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:26am
      - BananaLlama
        
        I will hold you to your word.
        Under Obama the Kenyan, Federal Reserve interest rates were kept at 0% throughout his entire presidency allowing banks to print and borrow money for zero risk at the expense of every working American.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_funds_rate
        Dec 16, 2008 — 0.0–0.25
        Dec 16, 2015 — 0.25–0.50
        Dec 14, 2016 — 0.50–0.75
        Mar 15, 2017 — 0.75–1.00
        
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        September 19, 2018 10:33am
      - kloyd0306
        
        ….his grandmother swears she saw him born in Kenya…..
        
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        September 19, 2018 3:18pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , a more recent update ,
    
    Trump is mad about US Fed rate hikes, but he only has himself to blame for them
    Read more at https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-fed-interest-rate-hikes-comments-2018-7#RBXPadFQxSe7RpiJ.99
    
    * Trump believes the Fed’s rate hikes are pushing up the dollar and will cause bigger trade deficits.
    
    * He’s right. But he shouldn’t be so upset.
    
    * The strong dollar and the Fed’s recent actions are the logical results of his own policy and personnel choices.
    
    * Fortunately, the Fed will likely ignore Trump.
    
    Read more at https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-fed-interest-rate-hikes-comments-2018-7#RBXPadFQxSe7RpiJ.99
    
    You are suffering a persistent malady known as the Do Do effect.
    
    Have another go !
    
    BL , why are high interest rates so good for the U S economy
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:18pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Actually moronboy, it’s about time the Feds raised interest rates
      They’ve been kept artificially low for too many years- which is bananalama’s point.
      Fortunately Trump has created an economic environment where they will be able to absorb the, so far, modest increases.
      GDP is rising nicely.
      Btw, the US doesn’t have ‘high interest’ rates- even after the increase.
      You’re just displaying how dumb and ignorant you are. Again!
      Lol
      
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      September 19, 2018 1:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        New York Fed President John Williams said this month (Sept) that current economic conditions are “as good as it gets,” which would allow the central bank to raise rates further.
        
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        September 19, 2018 1:39pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        Do you learn any basic economics at St Albans, Walphy?
        
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        September 19, 2018 6:32pm
MrTips

Why are Clark and Ardern being interviewed about woman’s suffrage when their Cabinets have/had less woman in them than National’s?
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September 19, 2018 9:31am
- riffer
  
  Because suffrage is defined as the right to vote, not the right to represent. That’s a totally different thing. And because they’re women. But yes, it would be nice to have representation from all sides of the political spectrum. And genders. Perhaps we should also interview men about what the right of women to also vote means to them?
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:37am
  - MrTips
    
    Aha I see. So it’s all about voting for Labour, but to hell with consistency for the sisters?!
    Nice one.
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:33am
    - riffer
      
      Herald has a photo essay (yeah I know, hardly in-depth) with Jenny Shipley, Helen Clark and Jacinda Ardern on their web page.
      
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      September 19, 2018 10:52am
      - skyblue
        
        1 communist, 1 dike and 1 going to jail. Gee, what role models.
        
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        September 19, 2018 12:46pm
  - cmm
    
    Translation:
    
    Logic is a white male construct.
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:40am
    - Nermal
      
      Women’s Logic is an oxymoron
      
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      September 19, 2018 5:20pm
- Komata
  
  MT
  
  Shhhhh, no ‘difficult’ questions; Cindy can’t handle them…
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:01pm
artemisia

Oxfam making shit up again.

IRD says Oxfam’s latest tax tirade is a load of rubbish. Their assumption that global drug companies’ profit margins apply here is fatally flawed.

Oxfam, clinging like dear life to their agenda, never mind the facts.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/107160995/inland-revenue-slams-oxfam-claim-drugs-firms-cheating-nz-out-of-21m-in-tax
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September 19, 2018 9:36am
- riffer
  
  True. False equivalence. Although they probably aren’t paying as much tax as they should.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:38am
- cmm
  
  Remember the old days when Oxfam had something to do with looking after kids and families?
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:39am
  - sooty
    
    How about Oxfam paying tax?
    
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    September 19, 2018 11:34am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Oxfam: Do as I say, not as I do
      
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      September 19, 2018 1:50pm
- Nermal
  
  I remember when Oxfam used to be a charity rather than a political movement
  
  But then I’m an old white man
  
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  September 19, 2018 5:22pm
Richard

Since Ardern seems to having a problem with GDP I have the IMF’s standard explanation of GDP for her:
“GDP measures the monetary value of final goods and services—that are bought by the final user—produced in a country in a given period of time.”
Hopefully in between photo ops for Women’s suffrage and guest editing of the herald she’ll have a few seconds to give it a quick look and educate herself about GDP.
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September 19, 2018 9:48am
starboard

Maori Climate Commisioner !!!
The dishonest maori is back…snout in the trough, again.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12126881
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September 19, 2018 10:04am
- sooty
  
  Where’s Mee Too?
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:16am
  - starboard
    
    Ali ? Probably munchin the carpet.
    
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    September 19, 2018 10:30am
- cmm
  
  Maori Climate Comissioner?
  
  So the Maori Climate is different to the Pakeha Climate?
  
  Sounds right – they’re on a different planet!
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:38am
  - Nermal
    
    Someone ticked all the boxes when applying for free money for an old trougher
    
    Maori ✅
    Climate. ✅
    Female. ✅
    
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    September 19, 2018 5:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Cindybins really needs that Hori vote, while roading all over NZ waits.
  
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  September 19, 2018 12:26pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY … NEW NATIONAL GOVERNMENT ‘ACTION’ EARLY 2009

Interest Co NZ report soon after the release of the 2009 5th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey …

Govt to tackle housing affordability by increasing land supply | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/45830/govt-tackle-housing-affordability-increasing-land-supply

Housing Minister Phil Heatley said the National Government would reform the Resource Management Act and the Building Act in an effort to make housing in New Zealand more affordable by freeing up land supply. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Bringing better balance to the housing market | Phil Heatley ( early 2009) | Beehive.govt.nz

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/bringing-better-balance-housing-market
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… Where in advocacy and political terms the housing affordability issue was at in New Zealand 2007 …

Unaffordable housing a Government failure: survey – Landlords.co.nz

https://www.landlords.co.nz/article/2810/unaffordable-housing-a-government-failure-survey

John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
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The first Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey was released early 2005 …

Demographia: International Housing Affordabilty: February 2005 Issue

http://www.demographia.com/dhi-200502.htm

With seething tolerance and patience …
Hugh Pavletich
Co-author Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
Christchurch
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September 19, 2018 10:13am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  Hi Hugh,
  Have you noticed that when you express an opinion backed up by a link or two, you get a good ratio of likes/dislikes?
  And when you make a post like the one above, you generally get a paddling?
  
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  September 19, 2018 11:57am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Disillusioned Voter …
    
    I suspect they will have much more to think about other than the popularity or otherwise of Hugh Pavletich.
    
    Note the latest Westpac Consumer Confidence Survey via Interest Co NZ posted slightly further down thread.
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:09pm
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      You miss the point Hugh.
      It’s not about your popularity, its about how effectively you communicate your message.
      
      Of course, it doesn’t help that Pete George poisoned the well for you with his persistent link-whoring, kinda left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth… you’re reaping what he has sown.
      
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      September 19, 2018 3:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Disillusioned Voter …
        
        You need to check out the GONE GONE GOING section of my archival; website Performance Urban Planning …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
        
        Remember the fun we had here on Kiwiblog mid 2016 … I mean the fun I had …
        
        Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/Housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-Keys-Waterloo
        
        … and this song …
        
        WATERLOO ~ Stonewall Jackson (1959) – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QQI6lb_Hg
        
        … then Key mutinied 5 December … less than 4 months later … with English getting the hospital pass … and the National led government thrown out of office less than 12 months later.
        
        It was housing failure that deservedly finished them off.
        
        National lost the election … Labour didn’t win it.
        
        Recent inaugural New Zealand IPSOS polling found that voters trust Labour more to fix the housing problem …
        
        New survey reveals housing, poverty and healthcare most concern New Zealanders – NZ Herald
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12047092
        
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        September 19, 2018 3:52pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      the popularity or otherwise of Hugh Pavletich
      
      I’m going with the “or otherwise” option!
      
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      September 19, 2018 3:57pm
  - Swifty
    
    DV – you’re wasting your time trying to reason with him.
    
    He treats Kiwiblog readership like dog crap on his shoe. Always has, always will.
    
    He’s got his own site don’t forget but he knows, as well as we do, nobody reads it – so he comes here daily to shit and walkaway.
    
    He has a major personality disfunction. It is well known.
    
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    September 19, 2018 1:55pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Watch what NZ First Leader Winston Peters said 18 October last year from 3.50 minutes in on his coalition announcement …
      
      Full video: NZ First leader Winston Peters announces next Government | Newshub
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/full-video-nz-first-leader-winston-peters-announces-next-government.html
      
      What is happening now has been staring us in the face for a very long time.
      
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      September 19, 2018 2:35pm
Manolo

Aussie integration African-style:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5944495/Paedophile-refugee-sex-12-year-old-girl-allowed-stay-Australia-SEVEN-YEARS.html

A paedophile refugee was allowed to stay in Australia for seven years after having his visa cancelled for having sex with a 12-year-old girl.
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September 19, 2018 10:13am
- starboard
  
  Sexual emergency buddy, its ok. Shariaboy/goat shagger will be along soon to confirm.
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:25am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    No joke. That argument was actually used by a ‘refugee’ in Germany who raped a little boy at a swimming pool!!
    
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    September 19, 2018 11:01am
- cmm
  
  The prophet said they’re up for it at 9 and he’s perfect.
  
  12 years old? That’s almost like shagging a granny!
  
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  September 19, 2018 10:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Manalo , you need to be reminded that horrible sex child abuse comes in all kinds of shapes, sizes and skin colours ( like you dark/ black and myself white)
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107173291/sex-offender-martin-lawes-truly-shocking-personality-behind-closed-doors
  
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  September 19, 2018 12:12pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    What is your point?
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:24pm
    - skyblue
      
      None really, just thieving oxygen.
      
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      September 19, 2018 12:49pm
- Nermal
  
  Obviously not a Kiwi
  
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  September 19, 2018 5:28pm
sooty

Andrew Little is wanting a youth MP aged between 16 and 18yrs from NP.
He has released a promotional video calling for applications, even has that male youth List MP Gareth Hughes,from the Greens in it.
Andrew how are you going to keep the kids safe.
We know what happens to kids on youth camps!
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September 19, 2018 11:29am
- RW Capitalist
  
  What does the ACTUAL constituent for New Plymouth say?
  
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  September 19, 2018 11:33am
Hugh Pavletich

Westpac McDermott Miller survey shows the collapsing confidence contagion is spreading, with the lowest level of consumer confidence in six years | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/95915/westpac-mcdermott-miller-survey-shows-collapsing-confidence-contagion-spreading

It’s spreading. And how.

The plunging levels of business confidence seen since the Coalition Government came into power are now well and truly making their way into the minds of consumers.

The Westpac McDermott Miller survey released on Wednesday shows the lowest level of consumer confidence as measured by that survey for six years.

Westpac economists say the drop in confidence “gives genuine cause for concern about how the economy is progressing”. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 19, 2018 11:30am
- starboard
  
  But fairy, and SLG told us the opposite..who is telling porkies? Westpac ?
  
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  September 19, 2018 12:20pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … Watch what NZ First Leader Winston Peters said 18 October last year from 3.50 minutes in on his coalition announcement …
    
    Full video: NZ First leader Winston Peters announces next Government | Newshub
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/full-video-nz-first-leader-winston-peters-announces-next-government.html
    
    What is happening now has been staring us in the face for a very long time.
    
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    September 19, 2018 2:36pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      NEW ZEALAND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY … NEW NATIONAL GOVERNMENT ‘ACTION’ EARLY 2009
      
      Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-19-september-2018/#comment-3187755 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-19-september-2018/#comment-3187759
      
      Interest Co NZ report soon after the release of the 2009 5th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey …
      
      Govt to tackle housing affordability by increasing land supply | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/news/45830/govt-tackle-housing-affordability-increasing-land-supply
      
      Housing Minister Phil Heatley said the National Government would reform the Resource Management Act and the Building Act in an effort to make housing in New Zealand more affordable by freeing up land supply. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      September 19, 2018 7:17pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        New Zealand local government … taking down the economy …
        
        Westpac McDermott Miller survey shows the collapsing confidence contagion is spreading, with the lowest level of consumer confidence in six years | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/business/95915/westpac-mcdermott-miller-survey-shows-collapsing-confidence-contagion-spreading
        
        … just two examples … they just go on and on … and on …
        
        Independent report into Auckland Council’s Building Consents Department finds major shortcomings resulting in poor customer service | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/95898/independent-report-auckland-councils-building-consents-department-finds-major
        
        Woman ‘flabbergasted’ at cost of consenting granny flat for her deaf brother | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/107155685/woman-flabbergasted-at-cost-of-consenting-granny-flat-for-her-deaf-brother
        
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        September 20, 2018 1:10am
ex-golfer

Lets see how the Chip Chick manages with questions 1 & 3 today.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-19-september-2018/
Will she lose the plot again?
Will she lie about it being Mike Hoskings fault?
Will the unemployed fisherman ride in and rescue her from the horrors of actually doing her job?
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September 19, 2018 12:00pm
- Komata
  
  ex-golfer
  
  Thank you.
  
  Unfortunately, I can never sem to be able to locate the links for Question Time. If you (or indeed anyone) are around when these are being presented, can you link them please?
  
  Thanks.
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:05pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Not very interesting to be honest:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAGHIrFEscU
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-O_EXiyIVo
    
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    September 19, 2018 2:45pm
  - Piniwi
    
    @ Komata Just search NZ Parliament TV & Radio On Demand.
    
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    September 19, 2018 5:17pm
- alex Masterley
  
  One the suplementarys should be along the lines of asking for salt on the chips!
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oral Questions – 19 Sept 2016

Q.3 Hon SIMON BRIDGES to the Prime Minister: Will she release today all communications between herself, her staff, and her Ministers in respect of Derek Handley and his proposed appointment to the role of Government Chief Technology Officer?

Q. 10 Hon Dr NICK SMITH to the Minister of State Services: What are the dates and the content of the work-related emails from former Minister Hon Clare Curran’s private Gmail account that he referred to as having been handed over to the Chief Archivist in yesterday’s Oral Question No 11?
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September 19, 2018 12:01pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I’m off to the shop for beer and popcorn.
  
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  September 19, 2018 12:26pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I’m off to find a broker
    To buy shares in a beer and popcorn company.
    
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    September 19, 2018 12:40pm
- RF
  
  Look a squirrel…..
  
  Ardern will be too gutless to front today…….
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:42pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Exhausted stayed up all night “editing” the Herald. What a joke she is.
    
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    September 19, 2018 2:02pm
    - Woz
      
      She’s on TV shortly to wax about suffrage and what it means to her. Can’t be THAT exhausted.
      
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      September 19, 2018 6:45pm
ex-golfer

Another day another strike………
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September 19, 2018 12:02pm
Muttonbird

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
More refugees, and cohesion in the government!

A double whammy.

Kiwibloggers will not be happy.
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September 19, 2018 12:49pm
- MrTips
  
  LOL. Sure, and they’ll give them jobs in the Oil and Gas industry to keep them going.
  
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  September 19, 2018 12:55pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Ardern’s adoring fans at the UN will be just about be dribbling over the refugee announcement as displaced people are so in fashion at the moment.
  BTW are you going as well to carry her bags?.
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:11pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Isn’t a doubling 2000? Not that I want that but it seems misleading. The quota is already a thousand up from 750.
    
    I vote for Christians, this time.
    
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    September 19, 2018 3:17pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      The left’s variable arithmetic with a sometimes roving decimal point – and they run the Country
      
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      September 19, 2018 6:17pm
  - starboard
    
    its just a squirrel..takes the attention off all the fuck ups the SLG keeps making.
    
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    September 19, 2018 4:18pm
- BananaLlama
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107203279/refugee-quota-lifting-to-1500-by-2020
  
  “We never made a commitment to double the refugee quota,” Peters said when questioned by reporters.
  When it was suggested Labour had, Peters said: “Labour’s not the government.”
  
  Looks like another captains call destined for the rocks. Mutton Head wont be happy.
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:15pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But BananaLlama what are all those faithfull followers of the old drunk saying now about him being prepared to run interference? The majority know he will have just been bought off by more baubles.
    Have to thank the silly little girl as the confusion over GDP while talking when was should have been listening rendered up an extra $18.7754 pension this month. That’s about 2 1/2 times the level of this years increase. What a difference a day makes.
    
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    September 19, 2018 5:37pm
- Poppa
  
  Hey sheepy, why delay this until 2020?
  
  Oh yeah because uncle Winston said so
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:43pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Because its just before an election!
    
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    September 19, 2018 1:58pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Perfect timing.
      No one wants this.
      
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      September 19, 2018 6:22pm
  - Inandout
    
    Of course, Cindy is merely the mouthpiece. This quota increase will be further delayed until after the election, and I am sorry to say but Simon will not put a stop to it if National wins.
    
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    September 19, 2018 3:09pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’m not happy
  
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  September 19, 2018 1:56pm
- igm
  
  Hope you are going to home some of them as no one I know will offer them houses, jobs, or in fact, anything.
  Even you know, they are not refugees, they are dangerous, lazy, and not to be trusted.
  
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  September 19, 2018 5:39pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If we offered each of the refugees the $60k intially budgeted to resettle them, how many would fuck off back home?
  
  Lets face it being a refugee is mostly about being dirt poor in your home country. Money can fix most problems associated with making a safe place for yourself, and $60k would make them rich in their home countries. It would also only be about 5% of what they will each cost over long term if they are settled in NZ.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:37pm
Komata

Rangitoto @ 1242

Re: ‘Maggie was the greatest PM of UK history’

Sorry, no; IMHO Churchill would take that honour; Maggie fought the unions, Churchill fought the Germans and Japanese, and did so simultaneously…

Both good at their trade, but Churchill did it longer, better and with greater and more-lasting effect…
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September 19, 2018 12:53pm
- rangitoto
  
  Don’t forget the Argies and the Soviet Union.
  
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  September 19, 2018 3:08pm
starboard

Soundbite Sindy.. I need to buy some more Thai baht, can you open your mouth again please so I get a better rate..thanks in advance.
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September 19, 2018 1:29pm
- sooty
  
  Reminds you of one of them sideshow clownheads you put the ball into the mouth.
  I think the clownhead is the more intelligent!
  
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  September 19, 2018 4:57pm
Manolo

Beware of the barbarians and primitives!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/extremism-advances-in-the-largest-muslim-country-1537225520

Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim nation, has long stood as a role model for religious pluralism. That’s changing.

Political Islam and violent extremism have been taking root in society and may soon do so in the government. President Joko Widodo’s choice of Ma’ruf Amin, a 75-year-old cleric, as his running mate in next year’s election marks an ugly turn for Indonesian politics.
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September 19, 2018 1:34pm
Manolo

The clownish Canadian feels the heat:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-nafta/canadas-trudeau-under-growing-pressure-to-get-nafta-deal-done-idUSKCN1LY2RY

Business and political leaders are increasing the pressure on Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to agree on a deal to renew NAFTA and drop his insistence that no deal is better than a bad deal.
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September 19, 2018 1:41pm
Rachael Membery

I am looking forward to there being Christians amongst the increase in refugees, that would seem only fair, they would attend churches already in existence.
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September 19, 2018 1:43pm
DigNap15

I’d like to see 1,500 Christian refugees.
And not one muslim refuge.
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September 19, 2018 1:55pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Don’t really care who they are as long as they will integrate, Admittedly Muslims tend not to. Also prefer they are skilled, smart, hard working and either know or will learn English and pay lots of tax.
  
  On that basis I vote for white farmers from South Africa. (Bonus; would piss off lefties)
  
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  September 19, 2018 2:00pm
  - DigNap15
    
    What do you mean muslims tend not to.
    They don’t.
    And I don’t want them to integrate.
    What does integrate mean?
    Speak English?
    Marry a kiwi?
    Invite kiwis to barbecues?
    Go to Barbecues
    Support the All Blacks
    Wear western clothes?
    Watch NZ tv.
    Have a beer with the boys on Friday night?
    
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    September 19, 2018 3:20pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      All of above, Except don’t care about the drinking or all blacks. Will their kids marry kiwis, (and not just of same religion), is the big one.
      
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      September 19, 2018 4:37pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Christians will mostly vote National, so we’re not going there
  
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  September 19, 2018 6:11pm
dime

The President of Poland is no dummy.

he wants to build up their armed forces and wants a big US army base there for extra protection:

““I would very much like for us to set up a permanent American bases in Poland which we would call Fort Trump,””
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September 19, 2018 2:25pm
- All_on_Red
  
  He’s already got a fully equiped Armored Brigade staying there.
  Over 3000 men complete with M1 Abrams and Bradley Fighting vehicles.
  87 M-1 Abrams tanks, 125 Bradley Fighting Vehicles, 18 Paladins, 976 wheeled vehicles and other equipment
  
  Poland is willing to pay to keep them too.
  
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  September 19, 2018 2:33pm
  - Nermal
    
    Poland has previously been invaded from the west and from the east. It doesn’t want to be invaded from the south
    
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    September 19, 2018 5:33pm
big bruv

A classic example of dishonest reporting.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/107181017/prime-ministers-economic-growth-confusion-highlights-the-risk-of-modern-politics

It was not confusion, she fucking lied! I heard that interview, the SLG understood perfectly what Hosking said.
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September 19, 2018 2:45pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  She understood what Hosking said, but she did not know what GDP meant – any more than she would know what SLG means. In her head she was going ‘GDP? wtf is that? it must be important so I have to pretend I know what it is otherwise NZ will think I am stupid’
  Guess what SLG?
  
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  September 19, 2018 6:09pm
graham

Well, here’s a surprise … not. When Simon Bridges was questioning Jacinda Ardern on the GDP fiasco, he wasn’t holding the PM to account … according to Andrea Vance, he was demonstrating misogyny and sexism.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107203746/simon-bridges-says-criticism-of-pm-jacinda-ardern-not-sexist

You actually have to watch the video, because Stuff’s article itself is useless and leaves out key parts of the transcript.

Andrea Vance says, “I wanted to talk to you about yesterday … the GDP figures and your reaction to it. When you said yesterday that the Prime Minister was distracted, and when you talk about her being weak … is there an underlying misogyny there, because it feels like what you’re trying to say, what you’re implying is, she’s got baby-brain, she’s got too much to deal with because she’s a woman.”

Sheesh.
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September 19, 2018 3:05pm
- Poppa
  
  That is the truth Andrea, she is out of her depth. That has nothing to do with being a woman other than she chose to have a baby. Men find it hard having those.
  
  I know you are on Cindy’s team but for Christ’s sake at least try & present a balanced interview
  
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  September 19, 2018 3:12pm
  - Inandout
    
    Her baby was immaculate.
    
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    September 19, 2018 4:43pm
    - sooty
      
      Conception?
      
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      September 19, 2018 4:50pm
- Piniwi
  
  Fantastic graham the silly little girl is working hard on that pre departure checklist. WP back into line. Check. Refugee Quota bloated. Check. AV back to the fold with more Kooadade.
  
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  September 19, 2018 5:45pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Winston in charge while she is away?
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:09pm
- BeaB
  
  The problem isn’t that she has baby brain. She has a baby brain.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:07pm
DigNap15

Refugee quota has been reduced.
(in the USA)
President Trump has reduced their quota for the second time!
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September 19, 2018 3:16pm
cmm

I wonder what baubles Winnie had to be offered before he would allow Cindy to make her announcement about the 1500 refugees?

I suspect it’s going to cost us!

She’ll be happy she will have something to boast about to her UN luvvs.
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September 19, 2018 3:23pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Should I be concerned that my only follower on Facebook is a Chinese cop?

I met this old Chinese guy at the bus stop today.

I swear he nearly had a heart attack (in a good way) when he realized I could speak Chinese.

It was like he knew I could look inside his world.

Which I can, of course, having lived there for ten years.

He couldn’t speak much English, but to his credit he was taking English classes, at over 80, that is quite something.
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September 19, 2018 3:32pm
Jack5

On the face of it, could this be a smack in the eye for Winston Peters, from Jacinderella? Or is it a compromise?

NZ’s intake of refugees is now set to rise to 1500 – but from July 2020?

The Radio NZ report includes a photograph of a woman from South Sudan who says she got into NZ in 2003, but that wouldn’t be possible today.

A World Vision fellow called Carsten Bockemuehl explains that under current NZ rules, refugees from certain countries could only be resettled in New Zealand if they have pre-existing family here. That rules out most from Asia and Africa.

Given the violence in Melbourne by Sudanese refugees, let’s keep the rules in place.There’s a task for you, Winston Peters.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/366801/refugee-quota-to-rise-from-1000-to-1500
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September 19, 2018 3:46pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  The greatest lies of all time:
  *Black is beautiful
  *The cheque is in the mail
  *I promise not to cum in your mouth
  And now
  *NZ First has never been involved in ‘horse trading’ political policy ?
  
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  September 19, 2018 6:42pm
BeaB

Our sloppy PM claimed in parliament today that NZ women were the first to get the vote. I guess so – after a long list including Sweden, Corsica, Pitcairn, South Australia, Wyoming etc. We may not even be able to claim we were the first country.
And I think we were actually still a colony at that time, even if self-governing.
I think women’s suffrage is an achievement we can be proud of but let’s not exaggerate, or make stuff up.
I haven’t made up my mind yet whether she is sloppy, a liar or a bit dim.
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September 19, 2018 4:34pm
- igm
  
  See she is playing the figures with fakeugees once more. I hope Toxic Gnome shoots this down as he has done with many other unpopular policies.
  It is bad enough this vile COL without bringing in more leeching lying lazy losers to bolster their poll figures.
  
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  September 19, 2018 5:36pm
- Jack5
  
  The Wyoming Territory was the first government to give women the vote – in 1869.
  
  But heh, Socialist Cindy has got bugger all going for her at the moment other than feminism and motherhood.
  
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  September 19, 2018 5:45pm
- Viking2
  
  All of the above.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:42pm
nasska

A couple of years ago the wife & I went to the cinema to see that film Suffragette. Two hours of a woman’s struggle……..full of tears, aggression, sadness, anger & frustration.

Anyway, after she finally managed to park the car in the theatre car park we rushed in and caught the credits.
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September 19, 2018 5:31pm
Keeping Stock

Welcome to New Zealand’s most open and transparent government ever…

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/366831/ministers-defy-request-to-bring-details-of-clare-curran-s-emails
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September 19, 2018 6:14pm
- nasska
  
  From KS’s link:
  
  ….”Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was also asked further questions about a text and email she received from Mr Handley about the position, which she said she did not respond to, to the best of her recollection.”…..
  
  Given that on a good day the Prime Minister demonstrates a tenuous connection with truth her “best…..recollection” shouldn’t inspire much in the way of confidence.
  
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  September 19, 2018 6:27pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    It’s hard to escape the conclusion that our Prime Minister has far more knowledge of Handley’s appointment to the CTO role than she has yet owned up to.
    
    This extract from a 2016 Metro article is interesting:
    
    The first that New Zealand Drug Foundation executive director Ross Bell knew of Handley was when an email appeared in his inbox a couple of years ago inviting him to dinner. “We get a lot of odd emails. I was going to put it in the trash basket but I Googled his name and thought, what’s this millionaire doing?” says Bell.
    
    The dinner turned out to be a fancy affair in the private dining room at Euro. It was the second of Handley’s salon dinners, where he gets a range of people together to debate a topic. The guests included lawyer Mai Chen, a sales rep from a big alcohol company, broadcasters Clarke Gayford and Brooke Howard-Smith, someone from New Plymouth-based International Volunteer HQ, young law graduates and MP Jacinda Ardern, who made a presentation on Labour policy after the entrée was served. During the mains, Handley asked Bell to talk about drug policy reform. Later, the two men went out with the law grads and discussed the topic for so long, they outlasted the young ones at the bar. “He showed a personal and genuine interest in these complex issues,” says Bell. “There aren’t a whole lot of philanthropists jumping into drug law reform.”
    
    https://www.noted.co.nz/money/business/derek-handley-would-like-to-reintroduce-himself/
    
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    September 19, 2018 7:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Something doesn’t add up here.
      
      Why would a hot-shot entrepreneur who makes a big thing of mentoring scholarship teens come back to NZ for a $400,000/yr job?
      
      Now I know $400,000/yr isn’t peanuts… but it’s also a rather ordinary salary for quite a few professional and business folk.
      
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      September 19, 2018 8:58pm
- Piniwi
  
  More notable KS was that Hipkins was in witless protection today so it was left to sweet cheeks to front for the big reveal. That as might be expected was his just another deflection to OIA them while the speaker seemed to forget yesterday and his forceful instructions to he who failed to front. So the end result was just an increase in the question count remaining without answers along with so many others. The COL really do seem to be more like a music hall act and a sad excuse for a Government.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I see our PM is going to be mingling with the very very rich next week at the Michael Bloomberg Business Forum in NY.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/50-heads-of-state-to-join-michael-r-bloomberg-for-the-second-annual-bloomberg-global-business-forum-the-leading-public-private-gathering-alongside-the-73rd-united-nations-general-assembly-300711160.html

Hope she reminds them that Capitalism has Failed.
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September 19, 2018 7:01pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Will Cindy re-wear her Kiwi feathered cloak? Surely she cannot wear the same thing twice?
  
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  September 19, 2018 7:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh dear, what do you wear when you are schmoozing multibillionaires?
    
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    September 19, 2018 7:37pm
    - nasska
      
      Two paper bags?
      
      I’m certain that in her case they’d appreciate the gesture. 🙂
      
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      September 19, 2018 8:03pm
    - Viking2
      
      Same as you do with fishermen. nothing.
      
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      September 19, 2018 8:35pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    The NYT was very impressed that she buys her clothes from Kmart.
    At least she’ll be certain that no one else will be wearing the same dress.
    
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    September 19, 2018 9:37pm
- RF
  
  Jethro will be yelping and straining at his leash over there with all the posh dogs hanging around…..
  
  He will be in doggy heaven sniffing new arseholes,
  cocking his leg on various fire hydrants and lamp posts.
  
  Hope Cindy has arranged for shots from the Vet.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:39pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  And then Meghan and Harry, or is that Harry and Meghan. the modern girl that married into the most traditional of families.
  
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  September 19, 2018 8:50pm
- Piniwi
  
  Well MW lets hope Breitbart give it a little coverage to let us comment on it. She can run but can not hide while sure to have another school to visit tomorrow to avoid question time.
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:35pm
starboard

Sir John Key..please come back. We will pay you 100K a week, plus perks…pleeeease !!
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September 19, 2018 7:22pm
Viking2

Seeing all the old frualines demonstrating about someone else’s efforts today in Aotea Square caused me to reflect and ask how Penny was getting along?
anyone know.
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September 19, 2018 8:33pm
Rachael Membery

Pretty sure that ‘in the day’, I would have been a suffragette, or at the very least not a typical docile wife, but really II do no care about all this ra ra stuff.
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September 19, 2018 8:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Are you posh enough to have been a suffragette?
  
  I’m sure I would have been gutting herrings, knitting greasy stockings and cooking porridge and taties .
  
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  September 19, 2018 9:15pm
noskire

Some sloppy journalism from The Herald with an article by David Fisher titled: Big Read: Andrew Little ducks for cover as National forecasts tragedy from justice reform.

One paragraph states:

Those law changes have led to more people in prison for what has been shown to have little actual impact on crime rates or public safety.

The very next paragraph reads:

In that time, New Zealand has moved to imprison more people than comparable nations by a considerable margin while enjoying lower rates of crime.

Read the article here
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September 19, 2018 9:18pm
- Jack5
  
  Perhaps if NZ instituted a Portugal-style reform of drug laws, our prison population would dive.
  
  Rate of drug use, as well as of imprisonment for drug use, has declined since the Portuguese reforms in 2001.
  
  The percentage of people in Portugal’s prison system for drug law violations fell from 44 per cent in 1999 to 24 per cent in 2013.
  
  https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/DPA_Fact_Sheet_Portugal_Decriminalization_Feb2015.pdf
  
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  September 19, 2018 11:36pm
sooty

Little Angry, are you going to take the blame when someone is injured or dies?
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September 19, 2018 9:25pm
Jack5

Is Maori language use surging, or are some people telling lies?

If it’s surging, there is no need to make Maori language compulsory in schools. Those who want to learn it will flock to it.

The Maori language propaganda barrage has reached the New York Times and the relevant article is being reprinted in other countries, notably today by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation web site.

The US newspaper claims Maori is undergoing a revival, and cites old folk at a Christchurch retirement village learning the language. (I thought the most relevant new language for retirement village folk would be Filipino.)

A sample from the article:

Indigenous people are increasingly embracing their language, rejecting generations of stigma and shame associated with its use. And white New Zealanders are looking to Maori language and culture to help them make sense of their own cultural identity.

“This is the new New Zealand,” said Ella Henry, a Maori studies lecturer at Auckland University of Technology. “It’s not a blip in the cultural landscape. This is what New Zealand is becoming: a truly integrated place.”

That’s strange, in a lifetime spent mostly in NZ I haven’t met anyone ashamed of being able to speak or understand Maori. Older members of my family who could speak Maori were rather proud of that.

Regardless, according to the Ministry of Social Development web site:

In the 2013 Census, 21.3 per cent of all Maori reported that they could hold a conversation in Maori about everyday things. This was a decrease from 23.7 per cent in 2006 and 25.2 percent in 2001. Of the 148,400 people (or 3.7 percent of the total New Zealand population) who could hold a conversation in Maori in 2013, 84.5 percent identified as Maori.

Someone here may point to find relevant data from the 2018 census, but the Stats Department appears to have switched the emphasis to measuring Maori “well being.” The department has moved from being a recorder of language facts, to being a promoter of Maori language.

The New York Times reports Maori language is surging in NZ (as repeated on the ABC web site):

https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/once-shunned-the-maori-language-is-experiencing-a-revival-20180919-p504oq.html#comments
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September 19, 2018 11:11pm
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  Whoops! I attributed the reprint of the New York Times article on Maori language use to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. In fact, it is in the Melbourne daily newspaper, the Age.
  
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  September 19, 2018 11:39pm
- Piniwi
  
  Well Jack5 this some sort of alt-facts since though Stats NZ under new management has adopted a sort or random percentages the numerical counts from the two previous census show a substantial reduction in Chereo gibberish speakers. As yet they have not met their obligation of publishing the recorded numbers from the latest census but instead this type of crap we see above.
  The Labour mob are still lingering in the last week jingles they had to learn which makes us suspect there is going to be a boost to the wastage providing life support for this dying language. There must come a point where it becomes just too costly to keep pandering to this lost cause which seems to be dying at the same rate as the native blood content in those who should know it but are not interested. Sadly there is some deep seated native cultural traits that see them dominating some much less desirable statistics. Here to they are not responding to mega amounts of cash, diversion, soft glove handling and pandering as those numbers are again moving in unison in the wrong direction.
  The deluded Henry person has a strange idea of some new New Zealand but based on what she thinks, being blind to reality would be the last person the majority would take cultural identity help from. Juggling the dwindling numbers with ant percentage equation all you like but it still ban change the rate of decline. But perhaps this is why the 2018 count is being withheld to be buried in a larger summary to help justify all that wasted taxpayer funding. The indisputable fact is since the native gibberish was made the official second language in 1996 it has been reducing at an increasing rate in each census as we await the latest count. However it is much easier calculate the cumulative wastage of around $4.5 billion that if used for essential needs would have provided so many of those things the native population complain about being derived of.
  
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  September 20, 2018 3:56am
starboard

Another one.. Just can’t help it can they..
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107213588/community-work-for-stealing-900-worth-of-cheese-and-bacon
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