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September 16, 2018 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Steve (North Shore)

Tax it
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September 16, 2018 8:03am
- BananaLlama
  
  Ban it
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:04am
  - tas
    
    Call it racist.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:06am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      All of the above; create another committe to ban the racist tax!
      
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      September 16, 2018 8:25am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Apoligies. A fat-fingered-iphone downtick from me. Have a +1. +2 if you’d spelled it correctly: “Waaaaaaaacist!!!” 🙂
      
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      September 16, 2018 8:31am
      - VicParking
        
        Cancel the interview about it
        
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        September 16, 2018 8:55am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Visit a kindy
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:09am
      - sooty
        
        Or a primary school. Not one of them high schools, they ask hard questions.
        
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        September 16, 2018 9:45am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        AUT do?
        
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        September 16, 2018 6:13pm
  - Simon
    
    Lie about it
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:31am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And then lie about the lie then let the f##kbuddy wade in; what could go wrong!
      
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      September 16, 2018 8:35am
- Harkman
  
  Reagan, “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:22am
Souvlaki

Random thought…..avoiding media appointments…BIG ( so billed) anouncement this arvo…is the Mega Star going to resign???
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September 16, 2018 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps she’ll cancel…
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:06am
  - Nookin
    
    Perhaps the news media will not turn up? What’s good for the gander……
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:53am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Media cant help themselves – like flies on shit
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:07am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Isn’t Jacinda the goose?
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:08am
      - sooty
        
        They all want to hold the babyeeee!
        
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        September 16, 2018 9:46am
- lifesgood
  
  If that were true, resigning (and I wish this whole govt was) why did the boyfriend need to fabricate stories about diary entries? It will probably be a sugar tax or something equally stupid.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:08am
  - tf78
    
    I did see they want to stop fast food companies sponsoring sport – really good idea to have no sport and just let the kids play computer games all day. These idiots are total morons.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:33am
    - sooty
      
      Don’t forget equal money for the ladies to do only 60% of the work.
      
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      September 16, 2018 8:38am
  - backster
    
    A statement is required by the Commissioner of Police…No such statement was made.
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If only.
  Apparently it’s all about the big meeting with the coalition partners to try and pull them into line so they don’t look like an uncoordinated rabble.
  Good luck with that.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:10am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Like herding cats
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:09am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      That can be enjoyable, but this…..
      
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      September 16, 2018 12:19pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Ardern is going to announce that NZ is going to become The Socialist Republic of Aotearoa.
  The decision has been through a process and we consulted with our coalition partners. Winston hasn’t said nyet (yet). The Greens didn’t say anything, they just smiled and handed around the cookies. The rest of cabinet didn’t oppose it because they’d forgotten to turn up.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:22am
  - sooty
    
    We’ll need a new flag for that.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:39am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      And anthem
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:12am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    ‘Socialist’ is a bit too scary for some people, so to mollify conservatives and unite as all, NZ will be renamed the much more moderate Caring Republic Aotearoan Peoples. I have seen the future and it’s woke.
    
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    September 16, 2018 1:54pm
    - KiWombat
      
      Well done Dave !
      
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      September 16, 2018 1:57pm
- igm
  
  DomPost yesterday still got a photo shot of our unelected PM, its taxpayer-funded-stud, and the illegitimate sprog . . . makes one want to puke!
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:28am
- Huevon
  
  Well, if it’s a policy announcement it will need to be something in the coalition agreement, so we could check that. Otherwise it will probably be a bunch of empty platitudes about how utterly and absolutely committed her government is and she utterly rejects nasty politics etc etc blah blah (JA could even cut and splice from previous speeches to save time).
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:31am
  - Harkman
    
    “Policy announcement” more like “Clark and I are engaged giggle giggle”
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:39am
  - Piniwi
    
    Come on Huevon you must surely have received a leaked copy to know there will be absolutely nothing in her “stand up” performance ? Could it be that all the bumper stickers have been consolidated into another of those new long Chereo gibberish words?
    
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    September 16, 2018 3:35pm
- redeye
  
  This is what I have heard about today’s announcement;
  Following on from the PR successes of name merging brands like Brangelina & Kimye, and to signal in a new level of cooperation and closeness, the coalition are asking all media to not use the term Labour-led when referring to the government, but instead the single word ‘Jacinston’.
  A Labour spokesperson said this morning this was not the first time this branding had been used in politics and pointed to the success in the USA of Billary.
  The trade mark has been registered and merchandise, including t-shirts, caps, coffee cups are being printed as we sleep. (they’re being produced in China)
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:37am
  - Huevon
    
    Wincinda has ring to it…and reflects who comes first in the government.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:42am
  - sooty
    
    Cindy’s sent the 757 over to fill up with mercandise so they will be on sale at todays big event. So roll up, roll up, every one get them before they appear at the Wharehouse bargin bins.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:45am
  - VicParking
    
    Your all wrong. The Winstoneian Government is to bring back Milk in schools. Carke has taken the 757 to Spain to sign up the Almond producers.
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:01am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And Jethro is going to build a pergola over the deck.
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:38am
- Sofia
  
  No media comment. nor Ardern’s office, has said what Ardern is actually doing at the times which supposedly clash with the two separate appointments, with two different television channels on two different days.
  Not even her better informed partner, Clarke Gayford, has told us that.
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:05am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    They are all busy with an IT team, cleaning Gmail and the Google cache.
    Also making up lies to cover the lies of the lies
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:14am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Going to church?
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:45am
  - Dyan22
    
    She will have needed the time on Saturday to prepare her thoughts for today’s announcement and will need this evening to go into hiding so that Q & A can’t ask her the hard questions.
    Contrary to the myth of Superwoman she can’t actually multi-task.
    
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    September 16, 2018 2:29pm
- Fletch
  
  She’s probably going to put a tax on sugar, the stupid woman…
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:17am
- RF
  
  Nah. Wee foot stamper is going to show us the way.
  
  It will be a kumbaya with the hobbit and Jimmy 2 mums.
  
  Give it 2 weeks and it will blow apart.
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:29am
Rachael Membery

I see Heather de Plessis Allan is in trouble for calling Pacific peoples at the Nauru talkfest leeches on her radio show.
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September 16, 2018 8:04am
- MrLovebucket
  
  I was horrified too. Leeches can sometimes be useful.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  Media stunt , her ratings must be falling.
  
  Do something , anything, to get back in the headlines.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:21am
  - rockape
    
    Reid poll due next week or the week after. Maybe just a state of the Nation speech to rally the troops.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    She doing a Don Brash, is she?
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:47am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    This afternoon with Jacinda is also a media stunt.
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:15am
- igm
  
  Good to see Heather telling the truth, unlike most of her fellow scribes, and Labour/Green Parliamentarians.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:31am
- GoVege
  
  I think she might have been referring to the massive amounts the government has promised to the islands.
  Perhaps it’s the leadership over there she really means…
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:48am
- calendar girl
  
  The same Heather du Plessis-Allan who comes here from South Africa and enlightens us on how we should be dealing with our Te Reo: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12125115
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:56am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  How rude of Nauru to charge thousands of dollars to allow reporters like Dreaver to not interview refugees
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:17am
  - sooty
    
    Yer, Dreaver missed the big one with Cindy and the fakeugees. Winny stopped that!
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:50am
- backster
  
  Truth is a sin.
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:20am
slightlyrighty

3 million for a summit here, 1.5 for a summit there, $107k payout for a job the person never started, $80000 for a plain to Nauru….

It seems that the only thing this government is economic with is the truth….
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September 16, 2018 8:04am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Comment of the morning so far.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/10-09-2018/heres-what-the-ny-times-didnt-tell-you-about-life-in-jacinda-arderns-new-zealand/
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September 16, 2018 8:07am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MW, this is the important part that NYT omitted ,
  
  “..The most sinister of these is her political rival, Simon Bridges, a Trump-like monster who most New Zealanders fearfully refer to as Scarface. Bridges probably has sharp jagged teeth, and razor-like claws, and his features are doubtless disfigured by the many battles I suppose he’s fought in the stinking, shadowy alleyways of Tauranga.
  
  But Jacinda is more than capable of facing him down. She’s not just an adorable animal with firm haunches and magnificent teeth. She’s also a mother and a tough, principled politician who’s taken uncompromising stands on both rainbows and strawberry ice cream, both of which, she warns me, will be threatened if Bridges ever seizes power. “As a mother,” Ardern explains to me carefully at our meeting, “I believe passionately about the future.”
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Good to see that you are an avid reader of Hairy MacLary.
    Lots of strange goings-on with ~~diaries~~ dairies these days.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:36am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy:
      
      If Stephieboy likes Hairy MacLary, then he’ll love this Don Brash and Helen Clark variation (I heard the audio when it was doing the rounds years ago):
      
      Out of the party
      And off for a walk
      goes Tamihere Maclary
      From Don Brash’s dairy
      
      Should be applauded
      For being recorded
      Drank lots and lots, and took some cheap shots
      Did Tamihere Maclary
      From Don Brash’s dairy
      
      Helen Clark
      Has teeth like a shark
      Helen’s assistant is butch and persistent
      Says Tamihere Maclary
      From Don Brash’s dairy
      
      Steve Maharey
      Is slippery and swarmy
      Helen Clark, teeth like a shark
      And John Tamihere calls Chris Carter a fairy
      With a scatter of claws
      and a jabber of jaws
      Caught with his pants down
      He’s the toast of the town
      With a foot in his gob
      Will he still keep his joh?
      He doesn’t like queeries
      He’s Tamihere Maclary
      From Don Brash’s dairy
      
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      September 16, 2018 8:47am
      - stigie
        
        Just can’t believe there’s been so many fairies in the Labour Party where as National has had bugger all..?
        
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        September 16, 2018 8:53am
      - sooty
        
        Why do you think they run sex camps?
        
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        September 16, 2018 3:42pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So idiotboy, you don’t like Bridges then?
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:37am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Or Tauranga.
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:23am
    - igm
      
      Shit, goat shagger does not like anyone who does not believe in incest, paedophilia, theft, terrorism, leeching, etc., etc.
      
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      September 16, 2018 11:21am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Auckland Council would like your ideas on climate action and links to “the globally recognised Club of Rome” so you can read more. Project Twin Streams has just ended it’s $38 million dollar project, and they tallked about the genesis of the Eco City and of the Twin Streams as Agenda 21 initiated after the international Rio conferences. At least we are now talking openly about where the policy is coming from.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:54am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Well that got the galah flapping his wings.
  Birdseed everywhere.
  That cut and paste from MWs article is like having someone read the newspaper to you.
  And after claiming to be the authority on manners maketh-ing the man.
  
  Sigh
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:54am
- KevOB
  
  Thanks for the intro to thespinoff site.
  
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  September 16, 2018 12:37pm
secondcumming

My wife’s 16-year-old nephew called by to see us yesterday. He was saying this will be his last year at Grammar.

My missus asked him what he was thinking of doing?

He said he’d like to be either a Pizza Delivery Driver or a Plumber.

I told him he needed to stop watching so much porn.
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September 16, 2018 8:08am
- stephieboy
  
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  secondcumming,,
  
  “I told him he needed to stop watching so much porn”
  
  Rather anti-climatic?
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:31am
  - sooty
    
    You would know!
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Rather anti-climatic?
    Climatic?
    
    Climactic?
    
    There is a difference.
    (Perhaps that’s why some folks are a bit worried about all that heavy breathing affecting the atmosphere)
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:30am
  - softail 1450
    
    septcboy,your livestock know that feeling…
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:28am
Pete George

Dermot Nottingham has not acted alone in his actions taken against many people, including harassment and defamation via laudafinem.com and in a number of legal proceedings, some of which have been described as abuses of process, vexatious and more by various judges.

In April Nottingham was found guilty at a jury trial of five charges of criminal harassment and two charges of breach of non-publication orders (suppression). He was sentenced in July to the maximum one year of home detention and ordered not to use the Internet.

But he hasn’t been acting alone. A number of others have been closely associated with him and his attacks and harassment of judges, lawyers, politicians, business and business people and many individuals.

Associates include Cameron Slater, Earle McKinney, Marc Spring, Phillip Nottingham.

https://yournz.org/2018/09/16/nottingham-has-not-been-acting-alone/
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September 16, 2018 8:12am
- Simon
  
  Ordered not to use internet. Just like Curran
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:19am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Difference is, Curran as the former minister of communications and all things internetty, did not know how to use the internet
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:30am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2FMqtC1x9Y
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:04am
Chuck Bird

I attended a debate put on by Tim Macindoe on Friday on Seymour’s End of Life Choice Bill. It appears that Seymour lost the debate as far more of the undecided changed to opposing the bill than supporting it.

It is also worth noting that 77% preferred the matter to be decided by a binding referendum while only 16% preferred it to be decided by MPs alone.

I was delighted by both the attendance (approximately 300 people) and the atmosphere at my monthly forum at Cafe Agora in Frankton this morning.

The subject was the End of Life Choice Bill that passed its 1st Reading in New Zealand Parliament late last year, and the speakers in favour were the Bill’s architect David Seymour MP and Dr Jack Havill, with Simon O’Connor MP and Dr Lara Hoskins of the Waikato District Health Board’s palliative care team putting the case against.

The second half of the meeting allowed members of the audience to ask questions and convey their views, and many took that opportunity with some impassioned contributions.

A survey at the start of the meeting indicated that 27% of those present

were in favour of the bill, 51% were opposed, and 22% were undecided.

A further survey at the conclusion of the meeting indicated that 31% of audience members were in favour of the bill, 60% were against and 9% remained undecided.

A number of people indicated that they were associated with organisations that have been actively involved in the debate on this issue.

At the conclusion of the meeting 16% of people indicated their preference for the issue being decided by MPs only, 77% preferred the matter being decided by a public referendum, and 7% were undecided on that question.

Many thanks to all who attended for your strong interest in the issue and courteous participation, and especially to David, Jack, Lara and Simon for your thoughtful and well-articulated presentations.

https://www.facebook.com/TimMacindoeMP/
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September 16, 2018 8:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  Question for the downtickers: Why? The comment is essentially a fact-based summary of an event
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:09am
  - Lance
    
    @krazykiwi
    Tribalism is the primary reason. Fact or not, if they don’t like it they downtick it.
    Don’t ask for the logic behind such behaviour… there isn’t any.
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:03am
- pentwig
  
  Was the stupidthing at your cafe meeting ogling and perving on the the young girls?
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:40am
  - softail 1450
    
    pentwig ,a better question to find the correct answer would be,,,,”at anytime during the meeting did anyone report the strong smell of a contrarian goat”?
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:39am
oldpark

Yes it was back to the future last night at Westpac Stadium. In 2003 same venue England with 13 men v All Blacks leading 15-13 a few minutes to go . Carlos Spencer seemed he never heard of a drop goal to win the match didnt even try. 15 Years later Virtually same situation seems our circa $3,000,000 potential earner per season in France, Bowden Barrat also never heard of a drop goal to win the match.To rub it in comparable scene in 2007 World Cup Daniel Carter also fughed up.Nuff said.
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September 16, 2018 8:22am
- Simon
  
  Speaking of exAB 1st fives in European rugby and kicking drop goals
  
  Nine years ago now, but All Black 1st fives need to kick goals.
  
  The Most Dramatic Drop Goal Ever?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3StR2BNTGI
  
  Nick Evans
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:39am
  - backster
    
    Nah doesn’t compare to the only drop that Zin Zan ever made from around the halfway mark near the sideline.
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:37am
    - backster
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbHBe-c_fD4
      
      Zinny’s drop goal
      
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      September 16, 2018 10:52am
      - Nermal
        
        Ugly but effective
        
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        September 16, 2018 4:55pm
- VicParking
  
  Its very hard to play Rugby when you heads have swollen to the size that the All Blacks ones have,
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:05am
- Biscuit
  
  Exactly, oldpark.
  
  Why, next time are 20 points up in a Test, just resist the temptation to go for more meaningless tries but instead practice drills where the team gets the kicker into the slot for a dropkick … and does that for the rest of the game.
  
  Drop-kicks are important – they won the World Cups of 1995 and 2003 and it was a Carter dropkick in 2015 that gave the All Blacks some breathing space then.
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:25am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    High risk play when hot on attack and every chance of the Springboks coughing up a penalty.
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:56am
- lilman
  
  Get a grip,they should have scored ,why risk a drop goal.
  
  36 points against the all blacks that was the telling stat.
  
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  September 16, 2018 2:30pm
kowtow

The msm attacked Trump for saying ‘look at Sweden’ , the Swedes themselves bend over backwards to say “all is well” , “migrants are lovely” and yet…….

‘Alnadim, 22, was sentenced to two years in prison in June, as one of three men, two Palestinian and one Syrian, found guilty of firebombing a synagogue in Gothenburg on December 9.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/15/sweden-refuses-deport-palestinian-firebombed-synagogue-fear/
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September 16, 2018 8:25am
- GoVege
  
  Two years for fire-bombing a synagogue in Sweden.
  One year for throwing a ham sandwich at a mosque in England.
  Does not compute…
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:44am
  - Lance
    
    Yea… such an obvious hate crime as throwing a ham sandwich should have attracted a 15 year sentence. Must have been a racist judge.
    /sarc/
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:05am
  - igm
    
    And sadiq Khan is now telling Poms what should be done with Brexit. These Muslim terrorists need to be put in their places real quick. To start with here, get rid of Gnashers and her Pro-Islam mates, none of the are worth a blurt, we being best rid of them before any more damage is done. The filthy left think our economy is sound . . . wish one of them had the guts to have a go at running a business in this unhealthy climate.
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:25am
- realityczech
  
  What did the Jews get for burning down all those Churches in Israel ?
  
  Or are you not comfortable talking about ?
  
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  September 16, 2018 11:08am
DigNap15

Never mind the hundreds of rapes of Swedish women and the attacks on Swedish police stations.

Muslims should never be allowed into Europe or any other western countries.
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September 16, 2018 8:31am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  DigNap15 , 50,000 of them are here to stay in NZ and your bleatings will never change that.None of whom are bombing police stations or allegedly rapings hundreds of women
  
  Why?
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:33am
  - DigNap15
    
    They are probably waiting till they build their numbers up more!
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:56am
    - kowtow
      
      They’re not waiting.
      
      Parliament saw fit to change our surveillance laws cos there’s more than one or two of them planning or supporting terrorism.
      
      And there’s at least one who was forgiven his sexual emergencies.
      
      Ah , the enrichment.
      
      ‘Reporting restrictions were put on his ethnicity and religion, but Judge Farish said media could say he was of “Middle Eastern extraction”.’
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11186746
      
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      September 16, 2018 11:27am
  - mark15
    
    Slow to the party,but what is this big reveal ?
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:36am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Nobody knows. All speculation from resigning to announcing a sugar tax. Speculation will have been overblown.
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:41am
  - backster
    
    They are trying to shut down free speech in our country though, aided and abettedby the Left.
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:41am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy , a good supply of barnyard animals for “sexual emergencies” may be the answer goatboy…
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:42am
  - rockape
    
    They havnt run out of goats yet. remember the good old saying from your religion. A boy for pleasure a goat for sex and a woman for procreation.
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:05am
- igm
  
  Muslims worldwide should be returned to their countries of origin . . . they are neither use nor ornament to anyone other than believers of their vile and repressive religion and culture.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:35am
  - Simon
    
    What is female genital mutilation?
    
    Female genital mutilation is the term for “All procedures which involve partial or total removal of the external female genitals and/or injury to the female genital organs whether for cultural or any other non therapeutic reasons” (WHO, 1996).
    
    Female genital mutilation is a complex, multi-faceted practice. It is deeply rooted in cultural, social and religious beliefs and can only be understood within this context.
    
    Girls are often considered unclean, immoral, ineligible for marriage and socially unacceptable if they have not undergone the practice.
    
    https://practice.orangatamariki.govt.nz/policy/assessment-and-decision-making/key-information/fgm/
    
    Muslims.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:55am
    - realityczech
      
      What is male genital mutilation?
      
      “A circumcision ritual practiced by some Orthodox Jews has alarmed city health officials, who say it may have led to three cases of herpes—one of them fatal—in infants. … The practice is known as oral suction, or in Hebrew, metzitzah b’peh: after removing the foreskin of the penis, the practitioner, or mohel, sucks the blood from the wound to clean it.”
      
      http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2005/08/cut_it_off.html
      
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      September 16, 2018 10:48am
  - holysheet
    
    Why don’t “mentally ill” Christians ever shout “Jesus is Lord” while trying to kill innocent people by either using a car or a knife?
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:59am
  - realityczech
    
    ~~Muslims~~ Jews worldwide should be returned to their countries of origin . . . they are neither use nor ornament to anyone other than believers of their vile and repressive religion and culture.
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:49am
    - Lance
      
      Well who could have guessed RCZ would come out with a Jew hating diatribe????
      Colour me shcked
      
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      September 16, 2018 11:08am
      - realityczech
        
        Explain why it is okay to hate Muslims but not Jews?
        
        See I don’t hate the Jew, though there is ample reason to. I just hate two faced bigots.
        
        No one hates Jews for being Jews. They hate some of the things some of them do. While you hate all Muslims for being Muslim.
        
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        September 16, 2018 11:50am
      - KiWombat
        
        Perhaps it’s because they have a predisposition for auto-ignition. Yes Jews may have a different set of issues, but they do not tend to auto-ignite !
        
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        September 16, 2018 2:05pm
      - lilman
        
        I actually hate Muslims,no misunderstanding there.
        
        It is a death cult,not a religion.
        
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        September 16, 2018 2:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        Why don’t the Muslims just get the USA to invade, bomb and destroy all the people they hate – like Jews do?
        
        Far more war and death is carried out on behalf of Jews than by a few Muslims. You simply can’t compare a tiny number of homemade bombs with the USA dropping 3 bombs an hour for the Jews.
        
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        September 16, 2018 3:47pm
    - Nermal
      
      Been a while since a bomb thrower yelled “Shalom Aleichem”
      
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      September 16, 2018 4:59pm
tknorriss

An example of a journalist who can’t cope with the most basic elements of logic. The problem is in the title. No clues given.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12125648
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September 16, 2018 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  Interestingly a headline from the SCMP is declaring HK could be hit by the strongest typhoon ever.
  
  ‘Flights cancelled, villagers evacuated from low-lying areas and government emergency response plans activated as Hong Kong digs in for what could be most intense storm on record to ever hit the city’
  
  https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/2164344/super-typhoon-mangkhut-hongkongers-warned-be-ready-saturday
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:05am
sooty

Had to laugh, over at WO they are giving the first fish a hard time over the commies dairy fopars. One young lady there called him the “Manny”.
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September 16, 2018 8:35am
GoVege

Saw the most revolting sight on my phone last night.
A well-fed, well-dressed, smiling Asian woman applying a blowtorch to a trussed up live dog.
Apparently it was at a dog meat festival, and these cretins think that torturing man’s best friend before they kill and eat it gives the meat a better flavour….
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September 16, 2018 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  If that happened in NZ then we must embrace diversity and celebrate multiculturalism , if it happened in China or Korea then we must not take a Eurocentric position and judge others/foreigners by our own , often appallingly inferior standards…….
  And yes her using a blow torch could be seen as cultural appropriation , but that’s ok when slitty eyed or non white folk do it.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:49am
  - GoVege
    
    She looked like she’d had the op to westernize her eyes.
    Pity there ain’t one to westernize the brain…
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:33am
  - Jack5
    
    There are animal rights groups in China working for change, but they seem to have their own troubles.
    
    The woman who has been prominent in opposing the annual dog festival in the city of Yulin, where 10,000 dogs are slaughtered, is now herself accused of animal abuse:
    
    https://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/china-yulin-dog-meat-rescue-yang-xiaoyun/
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:27am
    - softail 1450
      
      Jack5,China is a stinking cesspool of filth and corruption, they are looking down the barrel of a major economic correction very soon ,they can’t win a trade war with the USA but are to proud and bent to admit it.
      The stupid pollies of the west have swallowed the filthy communist narrative for to long, there is a reckoning coming to that poxxy country and the sooner the better..
      
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      September 16, 2018 10:52am
      - Lance
        
        One small problem. The good citizens of the USA like to live beyond their means, guess who owns the debt?
        
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        September 16, 2018 11:11am
      - Jack5
        
        Lance:
        
        Here’s who owns America’s national debt: most of it is held by Americans.
        
        Japan holds almost as much as China.
        
        The eight-month-old figures the article quotes shows that China holds $US 1.185 trillion of America’s $US21 trillion public debt.
        
        The old saying applies, but on a vaster scale:
        You owe the bank ten thousand dollars, you have a problem. You owe the bank ten million dollars, the bank has a problem.
        
        https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124
        
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        September 16, 2018 10:08pm
  - realityczech
    
    Bullshit Katie, you would support it all if Jews did it. We have already established that with you and your fellow travelers on KB.
    
    You only pull out the moral high ground to reinforce your innate racial bigotry.
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:01am
- Jazzby
  
  It was Gandhi who said, “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” Given that the Chinese also appear to have few qualms about supporting the mass slaughter of ivory-bearing animals, and the repugnant way in which they use other animals for purposes of ‘traditional medicine’, it strikes me that we here have a people who can hardly lay claim to being civilised. We should bear this in mind when evaluating the potential impact of Chinese expansionism in the Pacific area.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Gandhi also ‘slept’ in the nuddy with his young female relatives.
    
    #?
    
    Whatever about animals his lot seem to hold wimmin in very low regard.
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:58am
    - Jazzby
      
      Irrelevant. We’re here discussing animal welfare; you may have a point about the treatment of women in India, but that doesn’t logically negate what Gandhi said about caring for other species.
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:09am
      - kowtow
        
        Yeah I know , I just thought I’d throw that in .
        
        Like this one.
        
        “It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, an Inner Temple lawyer, now become a seditious fakir of a type well known in the East, striding half-naked up the steps of the Viceregal Palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the King-Emperor.”
        
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        September 16, 2018 11:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Gandhi did have some rather odd views about women and celibacy.
      Gandhi wanted women to ‘resist’ sex for pleasure
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-45469129
      
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      September 16, 2018 10:15am
  - Inandout
    
    Ben played Ghandi, wonder if he knows?
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:17am
- realityczech
  
  I’m with you 100% on this Vege. It is beyond disgraceful. It needs to be far more widely known and severe international sanctions should be imposed.
  
  I have nothing against killing animals for food, but torturing them to death is inexcusable and depraved.
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:58am
  - GoVege
    
    Glad to hear it, RC.
    I had no idea about this shocking practice until very recently.
    Hurting man’s best friend and other domesticated animals should attract much higher penalties too.
    Wild animals have enough sense to naturally fear humans and give them a wide berth, whereas companion animals have learned to trust humans.
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:13pm
- GoVege
  
  Just curious as to who would downtick that?
  Could it be our Asian Kiwibloggers?
  If so, how do they excuse such incredible cruelty?
  Btw, I have always liked Chinese people…until I heard this.
  
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  September 16, 2018 4:35pm
big bruv

So folks, lets talk about the Rugby…..ha ha ha ha.

Was it the Ref’s fault again?
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September 16, 2018 8:40am
- Manolo
  
  Not at all, big bruv. No ifs or buts: the better team won!
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:51am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Not at all big bruv. South Africa defended magnificently, took their chances, and deserved the win. The All Blacks made too many mistakes, and got punished.
  
  It was a cracking game, and sounded like the atmosphere at the Cake Tin was electric. The return match at Loftus Versfeld should be an absolute barnburner.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:55am
  - Simon
    
    Yep it was a good game. The rematch in Pretoria is going to be amazing.
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    Maybe the All Blacks could do a Cindy and forget to put it in the dairy!
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:04am
    - Harkman
      
      Yes I blame Cindy. BTW has NZ ever done very well at a Rugby World Cup under a female PM?
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:29am
      - sooty
        
        Could always get Helun to do a motorcade there.
        
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        September 16, 2018 9:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Only turned over to watch a couple of times.
  Refs miss an All Black knock on on half way…..lead to All Black try
  Refs miss the the All Black with the ball loses contact with the mall and rejoins (off side)..push over try.
  Maybe the ref had a bad day?
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:18am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Give it a rest.
  
  ABs had two handling errors on the Boks line in the last few minutes. That is what cost them the game at the death.
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:57am
  - rockape
    
    A few intercepts after wild passes that lead to 2 easy tries may have contributed as well.
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:08am
- realityczech
  
  big bruv, sorry I missed the spectacle of scantily clad men groping each other in a paddock.
  
  What happened this time?
  
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  September 16, 2018 11:02am
Manolo

On the footsteps of CNN, fake news supreme!
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tanyachen/people-are-cracking-up-at-this-weather-reporter-being

Twitter captured a Weather Channel reporter struggling to stand upright and seemingly holding onto dear life — until the camera pans out a bit and captures two people casually strolling in the background.
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September 16, 2018 8:50am
- dave_c_
  
  It’s not called ‘fake news’ for nothing !
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:52am
  - Harkman
    
    Hannity will have a field day with this one.
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:30am
- calendar girl
  
  Thanks for that, Manolo. It justifies my scepticism about many of today’s “predictions” worldwide of serious / dangerous weather events.
  
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  September 16, 2018 11:20am
holysheet

Stoooopidboy goes to see a clairvoyant at the theatre.
“I’d like to start with a question,” says the clairvoyant. “Has anyone here seen a ghost?”
Stoooopidboy puts his hand up excitedly.
“Very good, and has anyone spoken to a ghost?”
Again, Stoooopidboy excitedly puts his hand up.
“And finally,” says the clairvoyant. “Has anyone made love to a ghost?”
Stoooopidboy jumps up and down waving his hand triumphantly in the air.
“Excellent!” beams the clairvoyant. Why don’t you come onto the stage and tell us what it was like making love to a ghost?”
Stoooopidboy is crestfallen. “I’m sorry,” he mutters. “I thought you said goat.”
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September 16, 2018 8:55am
- stigie
  
  Bwahahahahaha !!
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:02am
Simon

Ex-UN climate chief faces trial in India for sexual offenses

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2018/09/15/Ex-UN-climate-chief-faces-trial-in-India-for-sexual-offenses.html

An Indian court has ruled there is enough evidence to send former UN climate chief Rajendra Pachauri to trial on charges of stalking and sexual harassment in a case filed by a former female colleague in New Delhi.

Pachauri sick fuck climate fraudster.
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September 16, 2018 9:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, his days were filled with promoting the scam and abusing women, while at nights he wrote (apparently D-grade) bodice-ripper fiction
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh no, Not the Joint Nobel Peace Prize winner (with Al Gore)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Nobel_Peace_Prize#/media/File:Nobel_Peace_Prize_winners_Gore_%26_Pachauri_in_Grand_Hotel,_Norway_2.jpg
  
  A Climate-Change Proselytiser..abusing women
  I don’t believe it.
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:25am
- realityczech
  
  Climate cultists and Trump haters are perverts.
  
  For some reason perverts form a self selected group that joins these movements.
  
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  September 16, 2018 11:06am
  - Inandout
    
    It is the sexual freedom that the Left love, no care, no responsibility.
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:14am
    - realityczech
      
      I disagree. You are thinking of the old school hippy left. Now they are like the Taliban on sex.
      
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      September 16, 2018 11:53am
- Inandout
  
  The UN has its share of deviants, especially when ‘helping’ children is concerned.
  
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  September 16, 2018 11:13am
Monique Watson

A dog goes into a bar and orders a martini. The bartender says, “You don’t see a dog in here drinking a martini very often.”

The dog says, “At these prices, I’m not surprised.”
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September 16, 2018 9:06am
VicParking

Waiheke Island is to become Predator free. No more rats and stoats. Felis catus ?????
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September 16, 2018 9:09am
- holysheet
  
  no young liabour members either then?
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:25am
  - sooty
    
    Will that puts the island off limits for any age group Labour camps!
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:59am
- Niz
  
  How realistic is that? Aren’t there strict controls on who lands on other predator-free islands to prevent the return of pests?
  And yes, the article in the Herald didn’t mention cats. They’re predators aren’t they?
  The article also mentions that it’s never been achieved before on similarly populated islands. Did anybody investigate why?
  The article mentions that 1080 won’t be used. Is that because it doesn’t suit the task, or is it because the council thinks it’s unsafe, or is it because they’re letting anti-science, anti-1080 people win?
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:19am
- Komata
  
  VP:
  
  All the Jaffa businessmen moving back to Auckland then?
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:13pm
Fletch

The treasonous John Kerry, who is no longer Secretary of State, but is talking to Iran telling them to wait out this Administration because the next one will be better…

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had harsh words to say on Friday about John Kerry’s outreach to Iranian leaders to try to save the Iran deal.
“What Secretary Kerry has done is unseemly and unprecedented. This is a former secretary of state engaged with the world’s largest state sponsor of terror,” Pompeo said at a press conference at the State Department.

“He was telling them to wait out this administration. I – you – you can’t find precedent for this in U.S. history, and Secretary ought not to – Secretary Kerry ought not engage in that kind of behavior,” Pompeo added.

He added, “It’s inconsistent with what foreign policy of the United States is, as directed by this president, and it is beyond inappropriate for him to be engaged.”

Kerry, in a recent interview, said he has met with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif three or four times since leaving office to discuss the Iran nuclear deal the Obama administration had brokered and from which the Trump administration withdrew.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/09/15/mike-pompeo-john-kerrys-outreach-iran-unseemly-unprecedented/
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September 16, 2018 9:20am
artemisia

This morning on National Radio Insight – the parent / grandparent immigration category.

Not much mention in the item about the offspring going back to look after them. Hard decision but where are their priorities?

For example Professor Levy from the UK says all the rest of the extended family is in the UK, but she wants her elderly mother here.

However, the government should be giving some policy indication and refund the application money they are holding, even if the application remains as a placeholder.

NZFirst is against reopening the category and we know they are running the country these days.

http://Www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player audio_id=2018662532
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September 16, 2018 9:26am
- Southern Raider
  
  How many especially Asian elderly parents have been brought in under this rule to help raise the grandchildren and then dumped when their kids decide to move to Australia or in many cases move back to Asia.
  
  Also due to Chinese one child policy it means every parent qualifies
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:19am
Harkman

Okay, I’ve got $5 that says none of Cindy’s children (Neve or any others) ever attend a public school in NZ. Any takers?
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September 16, 2018 9:32am
DigNap15

That is a major problem with low class student immigrants.
Their long term goal is to bring their whole extended (huge) family here to look after each other and to bludge off the New Zealand tax payers.
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September 16, 2018 9:33am
lastmanstanding

I am forever amused about all the talk around Helen Clark being a great leader. Bullshit. She wasnt.
Let me explain.

Great leaders ensure there is a succession plan. So great military leaders of old ensured that if they were killed on the battle field another of their number would step up to execute the battle plan or change it if necessary.

Great leaders ensure they have a succession plan to leave a legacy long after they are gone so people say the new leader is a product of the old of old leader.

Great leaders listen to their troops and recognise their strengths and weaknesses and work to develop their strengths and over come their weaknesses.

Great leaders get the best out of their people and listen to and take good advice and realise the leader isnt an expert in everything.

Clark did none of that. Worst she made sure when she left there was no successor or succession plan so her departure triggered a 9 year hiatus withe Party lurching from one crisis to another and its still doing so.

And finally the one person Clark did cultivate has proved to be the most incompetent Prime Minister is the countries history.

Great leader. No. Command and Control Freak. Yes.
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September 16, 2018 9:40am
- Manolo
  
  Well said, sir!
  
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  September 16, 2018 9:41am
- SGA
  
  Great leaders ensure there is a succession plan…
  
  (Forgetting the issue of whether or not Helen Clark was a great leader, and looking just at this claim) Really? Who do you have in mind? Winston Churchill? Alexander the Great? Julius Caesar? Marcus Aurelius?
  I would guess that “succession plans” don’t factor into it a lot when history is judging “Greatness”, in fact, I’d wonder whether it is the exception rather thna the rule, but happy to debate it 🙂
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:48am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Left on Election night. That is not leadership, its throwing the toys out of the cot
  
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  September 16, 2018 11:33am
Philview

This was probably covered in detail yesterday but I read Chris Bishop arranged a visit to Christchurch police station but Stuart Nash got wind of this and told the station to not let Bishop in. Bishop had a wasted trip to Christchurch. Very sinister politics by Labour!
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September 16, 2018 9:53am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not sure of the current rules, but ministers are generally informed if an MP wants to visit a government site. There was some fuss under the previous government about the corrections ministers allegedly interfering with MPs’ visits to prisons.
  Probably a process problem rather than anything sinister.
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:03am
- waikatogirl
  
  What was the visit by Chris Bishop to Christchurch police station for? Is there something going on? Why not visit his local Lower Hutt station or nearby Wellington Central? Again, is there something Nash is trying to hide from Bishop?? ?
  
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  September 16, 2018 11:01am
  - Philview
    
    Per Chris Bishop, he “approached the police in April about visiting the Integrated Safety Response scheme, which was set up under National. In late June he exchanged emails with the ISR team, and confirmed a visit on July 2, when he was in the city for a justice select committee hearing. They even sent him directions and offered a car parking space. But 45 minutes before he was due to arrive, his office got a call apologising profusely, and stating that she has been requested by the Minister of Police’s office to cancel the engagement.”
    This is a pilot scheme dealing with domestic violence. The matter came to light during parliamentary debate this week.
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:17am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Why, what harm would a visit from the opposition cause? Why prevent access to look at a safety response scheme? Is Nash being obstructive purely due to Bishop not being a part of the COL team? Afterall, Chris Bishop has a brain so wouldn’t be eligible to be on the same team as Nash. ?
      
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      September 16, 2018 11:41am
      - Philview
        
        It seems that there is a protocol of getting Minister permission that Chris Bishop says he wasn’t aware of. However, Nash most likely knew a few days prior about the visit and could have taken a number of actions but decided to be a prick and use his authority to ban the meeting at the last minute to cause Chris Bishop maximum disruption.
        
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        September 16, 2018 12:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        So, Bishop ‘says’ he wasn’t aware of the protocol? You lap that one up but say it was ‘most likely’ Nash ‘decided to be a prick’.
        More cock-up than conspiracy, I would guess.
        
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        September 16, 2018 1:44pm
sooty

That nasty Stuart Nash!
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September 16, 2018 10:01am
mikenmildagain

Happy Ozone Layer Day to you all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_for_the_Preservation_of_the_Ozone_Layer
Celebrating the 31st anniversary of the signature of the Montreal Protocol.
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September 16, 2018 10:05am
Notsofast

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
It seems everyone in New Zealand is fine with Mark Lundy being kept caged though three judges have worked out he is innocent.
This starts sounding expensive, start at 6 million?
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September 16, 2018 10:09am
- Swifty
  
  $6M for killing his wife and daughter?
  
  Knowing what I know about Lundy’s character, before and after the events, I’d say he would think himself entitled to more.
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:15am
  - Notsofast
    
    Good on ya Swifty.
    Either he 100% did it or was in Petone for the night.
    The petrol consumption figures show the latter to be the inescapable truth, 3 times the normal consumption is the universal figure for a trip averaging 100 km/hr through traffic lights and countryside. That is just one component only touched on by Steve Braunias, the ways for the state to lie are numerous.
    The consumption was 27 liters per 100 kilometers on that trip to the police cordon. All your character assassination endeavours can be deemed irrelevant.
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:27am
    - Swifty
      
      Just by the way, and of course this has nothing to do with his guilt, why was he using hookers when he had a wife and child at home?
      
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      September 16, 2018 10:31am
      - Notsofast
        
        Hookers are often used by travelling salespeople of all genders. (gotta be fluid)
        
        If you have proof this is not the case it would be helpful to your character study.
        
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        September 16, 2018 10:44am
      - Swifty
        
        Heh.
        
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        September 16, 2018 10:52am
    - Nermal
      
      I’ll see your petrol and raise you some brain matter
      
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      September 16, 2018 5:10pm
- DigNap15
  
  I just wish the police had got some better evidence
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:24am
  - Notsofast
    
    They manufactured the evidence, shoehorned the accused with scientific impossibilities. This is what the beaks are deconstructing, there will be heads rolling down Molesworth Street soon.
    
    The prime suspect is still available as a contractor.
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:30am
- Nookin
  
  Have they worked that out? I read last week that there was no sign of a decision and a degree of impatience was setting in.
  The delay may well be consistent with the dismissal of the appeal. Why hurry when the decsion will not change anything?
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:27am
  - Notsofast
    
    I agree the delay is interesting.
    You lawyers remain an incurious lot, the decision may be in the process of peer review by Kos. He admitted the mRNA evidence the appeal court and prosecution have conceded is false, and was the patch Morgan designed for his nefarious activities..
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You think the appeal court judges are having their decision ‘reviewed’ by another judge?
      
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      September 16, 2018 10:48am
      - Notsofast
        
        I quote the exact words of a member of the criminal bar talking about this case.
        
        “I heard Kos J (president of the CoA) state in an interview that it’s not uncommon for decisions to be circulated among all members of the court for peer review before publication. I wonder whether things have somehow got held up in that process.”
        
        Interestingly Helen Winkelmann presented extensively at the recent Criminal Bar weekend, but said not a word about the Lundy case, and generally it was never mentioned. New Zealand at rest with their vicious conduct against a citizen.
        
        You people are right that no one cares.
        
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        September 16, 2018 10:59am
      - Nookin
        
        It is entirely possble that the court has requested further submissions on a particular point. There have also been instances where the court has waiting for a pending decision on a relevant issue from another jurisdiction. It is equally possible that the Supreme Court has a decision pending on a particular issue.
        
        What is not possible is any legal of the legal profession giving the court beans for keeping everyone in suspense for 12 months or a member of the court making public statements about cases in which they are involved before a decision is made. The fact that you draw adverse conclusions on the flimsiest evidence while condemning others says more about you than the so-called non caring public.
        
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        September 16, 2018 1:23pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I know the dozen people who know the case backwards, and how many questions the legal profession have asked from curiosity. The number is zero. No interest at all. Despite a hapless citizen being taken out by the police, officers of the court, and Tipping McGrath and Glazebrooke jj
        
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        September 16, 2018 3:42pm
- Niz
  
  I thought he was being kept in prison because of his crimes against acting, perpetrated at the funeral.
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:40am
  - Notsofast
    
    That is the truth, it is the kneejerk response to mention of his name. It shows a cultivated and intelligent citizenry with the pitchforks.
    
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    September 16, 2018 10:46am
UpandComer

Never cede control of a historical narrative to a hostile outgroup.

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/09/09/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-colin-tatz-and-the-genocide-charge-part-four/

The ‘stolen generation’ never happened. Like the melting pot, its a myth.

We had a post the other day about teaching history on schools. Frankly, at this point any history of the west propounded by non westerners that exceeds substantiated personal hiatory only cannot be trusted and should be ignored. The stolen generation never happened. What else, that cultural marxists like Colin Tatz (fervent Israel supporter) assert as historical ‘fact’ never happened. A lot else. I don’t agree with the title of the article. Its a cultural marxist as opposed to an ethnic predilection. I just hate, hate, hate people lying to make me feel guilty and ashamed so i give them money and so what they tell me to do. The stolen generation myth has shaped Australian culture and self perception. Its a bullshit lie and Colin Tatz should be deported.
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September 16, 2018 10:14am
Jack5

An excellent article which shows why the plastic bag hysteria is misled – Ian Harrison’s blog, or if you want a summary of it try the second link, at Croaking Cassandra:

http://www.tailrisk.co.nz/documents/PlasticBagsConsultation.pdf

OR
https://croakingcassandra.com/
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September 16, 2018 10:19am
DigNap15

I like the single use bags
They are not a waste problems as they are so small and light.
I reuse mine around the house
I don’t litter

But I do get upset at people that leave them around.
And especially the ones in Asia that throw them into their rivers and drown turtles etc.
They are the problem not us.
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September 16, 2018 10:28am
- realityczech
  
  Plastic bag manufactures are having a boom time. People are paying for thicker plastic bags and then filing them with plastic bin liners and products wrapped in even more plastic.
  
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  September 16, 2018 10:51am
  - DigNap15
    
    yes, and I bought some single use bags from Trademe.
    They are called T-shirt bags.
    Packs of 500 – should last me a while!
    
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    September 16, 2018 11:07am
    - realityczech
      
      I bet you throw them in the sea – like everyone does in developed white countries. Apparently.
      
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      September 16, 2018 11:10am
      - stigie
        
        What a poor choice that the COLs made when banning double use plastic bags.
        Why didn’t they ban plastic fizz bottles why they were at it as well..? Hell no, the companies will come down on them like a ton of bricks.
        I have a truck load of spare double use plastic bags along with a truck load of coal out the back, so fuck the lot of them !~
        
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        September 16, 2018 12:16pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Stigie – I use these plastic bags for coal. Order a few tonnes of coal, then 2 shovels full into a plastic bag, tie off and stack. Each plastic bag is just the right amount to dose up the wetback – and lets you carry coal into the house in a clean manner.
        
        Chuck it into the fire and the plastic bag disappears in a nanosecond. But remember that if you stack them outside the bags will degrade in a season if the sun gets to them !
        
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        September 16, 2018 2:20pm
Rickmann

Give de Plessis a break, she’s just thick.
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September 16, 2018 10:41am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Wellington to get new inner city apartments – but still short of homes | RNZ News

Posted at … (comprehensive) https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/general_debate_15_september_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2309846 … and … (shortened) https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/macro-afternoon-490/#comment-3185799

Wellington to get new inner city apartments – but still short of homes | RNZ News

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/366527/wellington-to-get-new-inner-city-apartments-but-still-short-of-homes

… concluding …

… Co-author of the Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys, Hugh Pavletich, said initiatives from the council need to be happening elsewhere.

“What we ideally need to see is the council focusing on the fringes of Wellington and so that affordable housing is provided out there,” he said.

He said the fringes act as inflation vents, which will then impact prices in the central city.

“You can’t have unaffordable housing out on the fringes and affordable housing internally,” he said.
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… WHY IS WELLINGTON MAYOR JUSTIN LESTER SO SLOW AT LEARNING THE STRUCTURAL BASICS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ? …

… A simple structural definition …

For metropolitan areas to rate as ‘affordable’ and ensure that housing bubbles are not triggered, housing prices should not exceed three times gross annual household earnings. To allow this to occur, new starter housing of an acceptable quality to the purchasers, with associated commercial and industrial development, must be allowed to be provided on the urban fringes at 2.5 times the gross annual median household income of that urban market (refer Demographia Survey Schedules for guidance).

The critically important Development Ratios for this new fringe starter housing, should be 17 – 23% serviced lot / section cost – to balance the actual housing construction.

Ideally through a normal building cycle, the Median Multiple should move from a Floor Multiple of 2.3, through a Swing Multiple of 2.5 to a Ceiling Multiple of 2.7 – to ensure maximum stability and optimal medium and long term performance of the residential construction sector.

… AFFORDABLE LEVELS FOR VARIOUS BUILDING TYPES WELLINGTON MAYOR LESTER NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND …

1. Standard detached housing should not cost any more than 3.0 times annual household incomes of specific metros ( refer Annual Demographia Surveys ; recent Glaeser & Gyourko paper ; Recent Reserve Bank of Australia paper ).

2. New fringe starter house and land packages should cost around 2.5 times … at development ratios of 20% serviced lot and the balance construction ( Definition of an affordable housing market http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning ).

3. Apartment / townhouses should be around 2.0 times ( to illustrate refer Houston Association of Realtors Monthly Report ).

4. Fringe manufactured house (prefab) and land packages should be around 1.5 times ( refer Leaky Homes And An Architect’s Musing’s | Scoop News March 2010 published Interest Co NZ as ‘Houston: We have a housing affordability problem’
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Mike Hosking (Popular Conservative Commentator): Housing Minister Phil Twyford right to bulldoze his way through councils – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118208
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September 16, 2018 10:46am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  FURTHER UPDATE: Christchurch … The Bureaucratically Buggered City … Continued …
  
  In case you missed former Recovery Minister Gerry Brownlees comments Friday with Chris Lynch Christchurch NewstalkZB…
  
  Gerry Brownlee calls Mayor’s comments disappointing … Chris Lynch ChCh NewstalkZB
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/christchurch/canterbury-mornings/audio/gerry-brownlee-calls-mayors-comments-disappointing/
  
  … an earlier one …
  
  Democracy questioned at Christchurch City Council … ChCh Chris Lynch NewstalkZB
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/christchurch/canterbury-mornings/audio/democracy-questioned-at-christchurch-city-council/
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  … Dalziels Shame & The Rapid Retreat …
  
  Council to allow work on coastal properties | RNZ News
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/366371/council-to-allow-work-on-coastal-properties
  
  The Christchurch City Council ( The Bureaucrats Parrots ) has unanimously voted to change a policy preventing coastal residents from building on their land or renovating.
  
  The council’s district plan restricts people from building in areas believed to have a flood risk or impacted by coastal hazards.
  
  A notice of motion was raised by councillor Yani Johanson at a council meeting on Thursday to amend the plan so residential developments can go ahead if risks to people’s safety and property can be mitigated. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Eastgate II. Sir Tipene O’Regan’s “Imperious Sultans” … John Stringer … Kiwiblog
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/eastgate_ii_sir_tipene_oregans_imperious_sultans.html
  
  “Eastgate” – the Christchurch Conniptions … John Stringer … Kiwiblog
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/eastgate_-_the_christchurch_conniptions.html
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  … Mayor Lianne Dalziel finally decides to represent ratepayers … and refrain from protecting destructive bureaucrats …
  
  Victory for residents as council promises inquiry into coastal consents fiasco | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/106898662/victory-for-residents-as-council-promises-inquiry-into-coastal-consents-fiasco
  
  Christchurch mayor Lianne Dalziel has vowed to hold an independent inquiry into why a vital clause that would have made it easier to build houses in coastal communities was missed out of the city’s district plan.
  
  Dalziel promised to “pull out the stops” to ensure the legislation is fixed and said the city council would take urgent action to get to the bottom of why it was overlooked in the first place.
  
  At a 300-strong meeting in New Brighton on Tuesday she told residents the council was “absolutely committed” to resolving the problem as a “priority”. … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:42pm
Jack5

Taxpayer money pours into talk fests – why not divert some of this stream to power up the earthquake-damage engineering work at the Canterbury University Engineering School?

An interesting project there draws on the mountain of old tyres to make steel-reinforced, rubberised concrete that won’t crack like regular concrete, and a rubber-gravel mix that will disperse seismic waves.

Good work at Canterbury Engineering School. Great someone gets their focus right in this highly earthquake-prone country.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/366549/engineer-hopes-to-quake-proof-buildings-with-old-tyres
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September 16, 2018 10:47am
- realityczech
  
  “Good work at Canterbury Engineering School.”
  
  That’s all very well Jacksie, but how does all this meet treaty and diversity obligations and what is their view on Trump?
  
  You have missed out all the relevant details.
  
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  September 16, 2018 11:18am
realityczech

Only in NZ:

• Pedophile drugged and raped a child 6 times.
• threatening to cause grievous bodily harm to the boy and his father.
• supplied drugs to the victim.
• assaulted police and resisted arrest.

But she is the victim !

Imagine the outrage if a man tried this sort of defense. We have institutionalised misandry in NZ and are no more gender equal than Saudi Arabia before the law.
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September 16, 2018 11:16am
- DJ Ward
  
  In what country is raping a child legal?
  
  You guessed correct. The Feminist Republic of NZ.
  
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  September 16, 2018 2:44pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes if you are a woman pedo. Then you are the victim… if you are a woman.
    
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    September 16, 2018 2:47pm
- GoVege
  
  She’s on trial, RC.
  Do you know how many girls of 13 and 14 are having babies in this country?
  How often do you hear of the (presumably male) impregnator being charged?
  Probably it’s too common an occurrence for the police to bother.
  (Besides, Dame Turia calls it “our fertility”.)
  Not only are these young girls in many cases molested, they have to go through childbirth when they’re barely out of puberty.
  
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  September 16, 2018 4:51pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    The answer is not many.
    
    You make a presumption that they only have sex with old men. In your mind, if two 14 years olds have sex the male should be charged? Why should the female not be charged as well?
    
    It’s always the males fault in some people’s minds. Here we see GoVege playing down offending by a female by shifting the conversation to, but the poor girls.
    
    As for young childbirth it is only recently that it’s become an issue. Somehow during the last 2 million years of our human like existance it wasn’t to much of an issue. Puberty by default means developed enough to have children. Not that anybody in NZ pays attention but based on thier death rates teenage fathers are the ones dying in absurdly larger numbers than young mothers.
    
    Something to do with societies bigoted view of sexual relationships, and how support and punishment is dished out.
    
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    September 16, 2018 7:13pm
skyblue

What time is the speech from the thrown?
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September 16, 2018 11:30am
DigNap15

While we’re waiting for Ardern to speak
Here is another Maori Vocab lesson.
Today’s word is
Affinity
Woops its not in my printed dictionary.

The good news is that my second Maori dictionary arrived in the post yesterday. So I’ll check this one….
Damn, its not in that one either!
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September 16, 2018 11:39am
- cmm
  
  I think you should maybe look under “infinity”. Amount of koha due.
  
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  September 16, 2018 12:45pm
cmm

So the “apartheid flag” was flown at the rugby.

I’m curious to know why that is called the apartheid flag?

It is not like the Nazi flag which was introduced by the Nazis.

The old Orange/White/Blue flag was adopted in 1928. That’s 20 years before the start of apartheid. It flew until 1994 – two years after the end of apartheid.
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September 16, 2018 12:38pm
starboard

How true

http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2018/09/16/rejecting-progress-in-the-name-of-cultural-appropriation/
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September 16, 2018 12:39pm
- Jazzby
  
  What I don’t get about so-called ‘cultural appropriation’ is why it’s supposed to be bad. Does it disrespect certain cultures? If so, how and why? Is it regarded as some sort of intellectual theft? If this is asserted, how can a particular culture lay exclusive claim to it?
  What it seems to boil down to is an emotional stance which says that (a) if we wicked Westerners happen to copy, borrow, or otherwise use ideas from other cultures, then we’re in the wrong; but (b) if the situation is reversed, then that’s just fine, because those other cultures are inherently virtuous and good.
  It’s just another example of outrage and victimhood for its own sake, I suspect.
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:11pm
- itstricky
  
  Just for you:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation
  
  So you can read, understand, and see the bits of the puzzle that the “1law4all” novelists missed. All in the name of being more thoroughly informed.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:05pm
  - starboard
    
    Wikipedia..bawhahahahaa!!
    
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    September 16, 2018 7:52pm
    - itstricky
      
      I suppose you could still always read the 152 references, if it wasn’t to your liking:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation#References
      
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      September 16, 2018 8:37pm
wiseowl

If y’all miss Ian Plimer on Sky Outsiders now try and catch it later.
He is great.
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September 16, 2018 12:43pm
- lifesgood
  
  And Andrew Bolt on the Bolt Report
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:12pm
cmm

According to horrid:

“Trump pulls trigger: Most severe act by a US president”

Ummm, surely you’d say these are more severe acts:
* declaration of actual real guns-and-shit war that end up killing millions.
* starting the US civil war.
* Iraqi invasion that costs trillions.
* “Liberation” of Libya that has reintroduced slavery.
* operation fast and furious.

But No it’s TRUMP!!!, so crank up the superlatives.
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September 16, 2018 1:00pm
- realityczech
  
  Obama bombed more countries than the USA did in world war two. He also signed the USA up to a trillion dollar nuke program, citing the cold war he restarted with Russian as justification.
  
  The black warlord was the biggest warmonger in modern history.
  
  Here is an old school hardcore lefty John Pilger on Obama
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXL998q7skI
  
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  September 16, 2018 2:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So that’s the big announcement…

The CoL creates a bit of “chat”.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/jacinda-ardern-unveils-the-coalition-s-top-12-priorities-they-ve-agreed-on.html
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September 16, 2018 1:16pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Not with a bang, but a whimper.
  
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  September 16, 2018 3:40pm
nasska

Say what you like about Chompers…..if waffling & platitudes accomplished anything she’d be a world beater. It seems that the announcement we were waiting for with bated breath was limited to this shit:

The priorities are:

Build a productive, sustainable and inclusive economy
o Grow & share New Zealand’s prosperity
o Deliver responsible governance with a broader measure of success
o Support thriving & sustainable regions
o Transition to a Clean, Green and Carbon Neutral New Zealand

Improving the wellbeing of New Zealanders and their families
o Ensure everyone is earning, learning, caring or volunteering
o Support healthier, safer, & more connected communities
o Ensure everyone has a warm, dry home
o Make New Zealand the best place in the world to be a child

Providing new leadership by Government
o Deliver transparent, transformative and compassionate Government
o Build closer partnerships with Maori
o Value who we are as a country
o Create an international reputation we can be proud of

Can’t the wretched woman ever actually say something that isn’t clichéd PR babble?

http://www2.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12126122
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September 16, 2018 1:19pm
- realityczech
  
  We live in the age of virtue signalling. Form over substance. It is a side effect of the Facebook generation. Nothing but image. Shallow as a carpark puddle.
  
  There is hope. The younger generation is questioning the narcissistic fake values of their parents.
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:24pm
- rangitoto
  
  A pity she has no idea how to achieve anything on the list.
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:41pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  If bullshit were music, that speech would be a symphony orchestra!
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:44pm
- Swifty
  
  After a full year in govt and this is all we get?
  
  Pathetic.
  
  Where are the specific actions? What are the specific measures?
  
  It’s reads like the mission statement for the local kindy.
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:49pm
  - BlueGriffon
    
    Yep, we are all part of Cindy’s Kindy now.
    
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    September 16, 2018 2:17pm
- cmm
  
  Vacuous buzzword bingo.
  
  This was the last shot at trying to show unity.
  
  After a string on lies, will anyone be convinced?
  
  Pathetic. I’d think people would try better when trying to con us. Do they really think we’re that stupid?
  
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  September 16, 2018 2:26pm
- BananaLlama
  
  o Build closer partnerships with Maori
  o Value who we are as a country (Only if it is Maori)
  
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  September 16, 2018 2:47pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But BananaLlama even the order of listing seems back to front? No 12 “Create an international reputation we can be proud of”. Well most were up untill she was anointed which made so many very concerned about the chances of retaining it now being confirmed as being justified. Now it is about to get worse as it seems that it is going ahead with “unified visions”. What a fitting anti climax to hear such waffle between bad weeks as we await new revelations ahead.
    
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    September 16, 2018 4:21pm
- calendar girl
  
  The Coalition’s announcement today is not an act of governance. At best it is hastily-assembled, self-serving, PR material thrown out there as a desperate measure to convey an image of action and decisive leadership.
  
  Ardern’s statement is claimed to contain her Government’s so-called “Cabinet-mandated, coalition Government work plan”. It includes what she describes as “12 priority outcomes in the areas of the economy, wellbeing and Government leadership”. But viewed with even a modicum of reality and goodwill, the statement contains no more than flowery ambitions – with hoped-for results to follow.
  
  Notable for their absence are any firm yardsticks for success that will be measured against, for example:
  • resource needs, or broad budgetary requirements;
  • timeframes for each ‘priority outcome’ to be met; and
  • concrete criteria against which improvements / outcomes are to be quantified.
  
  The statement is silent on individuals or groupings who will be made responsible for bringing in each of the so-called ‘12 priority outcomes’ which can be examined here:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12126122
  
  Let’s take one from each of the three specified categories of objectives:
  
  • Deliver responsible governance with a broader measure of success.
  • Support healthier, safer, & more connected communities.
  • Value who we are as a country.
  
  How, when and by whom will such objectives be achieved by New Zealand’s Coalition Government; who will be the judge of each such successful achievement; and how will the New Zealand public be able to know and verify such outcomes?
  
  Socialists of this world always seem to consider themselves as clever wordsmiths. This latest piece of political sophistry is a classic of its type: earnest in its lofty but unquantified ambitions; silent on practicalities; and devoid of detailed measurement mechanisms against pre-defined objectives.
  
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  September 16, 2018 4:13pm
  - Swifty
    
    An excellent riposte, calendar girl.
    
    Bang on the money.
    
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    September 16, 2018 4:21pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    CG, a great summary, and appropriate questions.
    
    The truth is this ‘announcement’ was never designed to be subjected to, much less to pass, any rational scrutiny.
    
    It’s a socialist’s PPP – Political Puff Piece.
    
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    September 16, 2018 4:25pm
  - Jazzby
    
    Stone the crows! Isn’t this ‘grand plan’ just a rehash of the flaky, empty rhetoric that she spouted on the election trail?
    In its way, it’s an admission that nothing has been achieved by this government in nearly a year in power. The sad thing is that this vacuous nonsense will be readily embraced by not only tribal Labour but also the unthinking, uncritical mass of the voting public, who are incapable of the sort of analysis that you have offered.
    Oh, and there was one thing missing from her announcement: wasn’t she going to ensure that we all get breakfast in bed?
    Pardon me whilst I totter round in small circles, clutching my head and moaning.
    
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    September 16, 2018 4:56pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      That’s what I was thinking, Jazzby.
      It’s just electioneering similar to last year.
      I can’t see the point of it.
      They told us at election time they were going to do all this – with one or two notable exceptions (oil and gas).
      So are they just going to start again ?
      Would seem so – yawn.
      
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      September 16, 2018 5:01pm
      - starboard
        
        “Deliver, TRANSPARENT, transformative and compassionate Government”
        
        LOL..she is a fucking loon.
        
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        September 16, 2018 7:59pm
- softail 1450
  
  nasska,”build a closer partnership with maori” ,,,that’s the one that will cost the most ,100s of millions more.
  “Closing the gaps” is well and truly back on the table, Whitey need not apply….
  
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  September 16, 2018 4:14pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  A good test of whether something meaningful has been said, is to see if inserting the word “Not” also produces a sentence that a reasonable person might seriously say and have a discussion about. This lot fails utterly.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:01pm
Prince

Meaningless claptrap.

Grow and share NZ’s prosperity ? How does scrapping the oil and gas industry fit that ?

We desperately need some gravitas in this Government.
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September 16, 2018 1:25pm
- realityczech
  
  Actions are what will raise peoples circumstances. Her governments actions are demonstrably working against the very things she says.
  
  I see the media have formed a wagon circle around her again and running uncritical puff pieces about this vile woman and her puerile utterances.
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:34pm
MrTips

In a show of unity, Cindy has outlined the CoL 12 point cock-up protocol.

After getting Neve to “hold her beer”, Cindy stated excitedly “I’m really proud that it took 2-3 years for all other Winston containing governments to fall apart, but we’ve done it in less than one!! Amazeballs, right Clarkey??!”
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September 16, 2018 1:28pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s all she’s got?
  
  More aspirations with no specific measures?
  
  Sorry, but this is so underwhelming and NZers are mugs if they get taken in by it.
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:45pm
  - Jazzby
    
    Unfortunately, most of the voting public are, indeed, mugs. As H L Mencken put it, nearly 100 years ago: “As far as I have been able to tell, and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to assist me, nobody ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor did anyone lose public office thereby.”
    It’s only when the ineptitude of this government starts to hit them in the pocket, that people will start to wake up.
    
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    September 16, 2018 5:02pm
BlueGriffon

She’s talking about just chucking money around at families, regions and businesses. No idea where all this money coming from.
Then they are developing new measures for everything so we won’t be any the wiser.
What a crock of shit. Virtue-signalling shit, moonbeams and stardust.
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September 16, 2018 1:28pm
- noskire
  
  Must be about time for Reid to start their polling, hence this bullshit announcement.
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:34pm
BlueGriffon

Haha, an open Q & A with self-selected easy virtue-signalling questions.
Lol first question is how are they going to build a strong public service. Waffle, waffle, transformation, change public finance act…..
Answer is again, throw money at it, not measure anything or change how we measure “wellbeing”.
Oh FFS.
Hospitals the next question. Answer is throw more money at it.
Where the hell is all this money coming from now the economy is slowing.
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September 16, 2018 1:46pm
noskire

This is just beyond a joke. Is she taking the piss? Meaningless soundbites and platitudes.
Labour’s internal polling must be as bad as what I’ve heard it is.
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September 16, 2018 1:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

PR Spinner: Look Jacinda, the peasants are revolting.

JA: What can I do?

PR Spinner: Grasp the nettle, dear.
A stirring speech on your Governments priorities will bring the bewildered back on board.

JA. Oh, must I?

PR Spinner: It’ll be OK… We’ll do a photo-shoot for the occasion… 6 photos over 2 pages…
That’ll make a stirring Priority Plan document.

JA: Let’s do it!
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September 16, 2018 1:53pm
- realityczech
  
  The scary thing is her virtue signalling supporters will buy it uncritically.
  
  As a country we need to reflect on what having this idiot as a leader says about our society.
  
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  September 16, 2018 1:57pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    “As a country we need to reflect on what having this idiot as a leader says about our society.”
    
    Sentence of the day.
    Their 12 Point plan confirms how pathetic they are.
    
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    September 16, 2018 3:26pm
realityczech

This seems timely.

The Truth About Social Media

We should blame ourselves.
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September 16, 2018 1:59pm
Keeping Stock

Deliver transparent, transformative and compassionate Government

I’m not quite sure how that fits in with Clare Curran, her secret meetings and her gmail account. I’m also not quite sure how that fits in with Ministers being hidden away to avoid having to answer questions in the House.
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September 16, 2018 2:11pm
- BlueGriffon
  
  They were compassionate to Derek with our money, 1 out of 3 ain’t bad!
  
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  September 16, 2018 2:15pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Not to mention the secret coalition agreement with Winston.
  
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  September 16, 2018 3:04pm
- noskire
  
  I think the transformative and compassionate part of this Government refers to ministers being sent on garden leave, and then stood down.
  
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  September 16, 2018 5:54pm
dime

Great to see jacinda talking about a fairer tax system!

I look forward to my tax cut
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September 16, 2018 3:04pm
- realityczech
  
  You better throw in your job and have bayyyyyybeees then mate.
  
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  September 16, 2018 3:12pm
- stigie
  
  Hell will freeze over first Dime, a fairer tax system by the socialists..?
  Bwahahahahaha !~
  
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  September 16, 2018 3:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s the plan, folks.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2018-09/Our%20Plan.pdf
All 2 pages… and 6 pics
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September 16, 2018 3:11pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  I wonder if Jacinda has borrowed from China’s five-year plan template.
  
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  September 16, 2018 3:12pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Or maybe she’s borrowed from North Korea’s five-year plan template.
    
    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said his country would not use nuclear weapons unless its sovereignty is infringed by others with nuclear arms, in a speech broadcast on Sunday, and set a five-year plan to boost the secretive state’s moribund economy.
    …
    Kim’s economic plan spelled out areas of focus, including more mechanization of agriculture and automation of factories, and higher coal output, but gave few specific targets. “[We must] solve the energy problem and place the basic industry section on the right track, and increase agricultural and light industry production to definitely improve lives of the people,” Kim said in a speech that lasted just over three hours, with delegates at the end rising to their feet in applause and shouts of “manse!,” or “cheers for long life!”
    
    Were Labour’s party faithful on hand to give Jacinda the standing ovation and tribal foot-stamping that she was probably looking for?
    
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    September 16, 2018 3:19pm
- realityczech
  
  Jesus wept Wiggles – I think I caught brain cancer from reading that ❗
  
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  September 16, 2018 3:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I just looked at the pictures….
    
    isn’t she lovely?
    
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    September 16, 2018 3:29pm
    - realityczech
      
      I’ve rooted worse. Even brainless SJW vegans.
      
      However I would not let them run the bloody country Wiggles.
      
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      September 16, 2018 3:49pm
      - GoVege
        
        But was it a Jewish beauty who broke your heart, by any chance, RC? 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2018 4:56pm
- BananaLlama
  
  I scrolled down further out of habit expecting a bit more after the first two pages.
  
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  September 16, 2018 3:18pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Gosh, so that’s what all the hoopla was about.
  
  Very reminiscent of another eagerly awaited announcement.
  
  The media gathered, the huddled masses held their breath hoping … and then …
  
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  September 16, 2018 3:44pm
  - waldonz
    
    thedavincimode – you made me laugh so much a few seconds after I clicked your link. Very clever and somewhat accurate to say the least.
    
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    September 16, 2018 4:11pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Kudos to Simon Bridges. His statements in the Herald were bang on, “Today’s speech is like a TED Talk and shows a Trump-like attempt to avoid tough questions with a stage-managed pep rally and carefully vetted questions”……”What is in question is her judgment, her ability to lead a competent Government and whether her administration has a plan for dealing with the real issues facing New Zealand….. ” Hahaha. She will not like being compared to Trump again.
    
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    September 16, 2018 4:35pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I notice the Herald led Bridge’s response article with the Ardern’s Vacuous Video.
      
      They’ve obviously been told to drive this hard.
      
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      September 16, 2018 4:49pm
- waldonz
  
  And there just had to be a photo op with her and school kids!
  
  The entire ‘document’ (and I use that term VERY loosely) looks as if it was put together by some high school students.
  
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  September 16, 2018 4:16pm
- Surely Knott
  
  The plan – ” We will A. Grow and share New Zealands prosperity more fairly. And how will they do that….with a Trade for all Agenda – backing exporters with modern free trade agreements like the (C) TPPA! Oh hang on that was Nationals agreement that Labour and Greens vehemently protested. But now that’s their big idea for growing the economy.
  
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  September 16, 2018 4:26pm
krazykiwi

Will the MSM apply borax or Botox to Ardern’s big reveal?
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September 16, 2018 4:01pm
Swifty

Where Aussie goes we inevitably follow:

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/most-feminist-religion-a-woman-must-answer-the-call-of-her-husband/#more-408483

Get ready guys and gals. And remember these are the people the left are demanding we welcome here and in their thousands annually and for evermore.

This is a slow suicide.
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September 16, 2018 4:26pm
- Piniwi
  
  Sometimes Swifty a little slowly it seems.
  This has popped up on a Facebook group page from the West Coast, NZ.
  
  “There’s an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year’s chosen term was “political correctness”.
  
  The winning student wrote: “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end.”
  
  Seems Oz got the jump on us again as it was From the Bendigo Advertiser. APRIL 26 2014 – 4:00AM but do however show a little PC acknowledgement by saying a “piece of dung” in the published article.
  
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  September 16, 2018 5:34pm
  - starboard
    
    “that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end.”
    
    Fcuk thats funny, heh !
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:22pm
noskire

The priorities are:

Build a productive, sustainable and inclusive economy
o Grow & share New Zealand’s prosperity (increase dole payments)
o Deliver responsible governance with a broader measure of success (decrease the measure of success)
o Support thriving & sustainable regions (You mean, like the Oil and Gas industry in Taranaki?)
o Transition to a Clean, Green and Carbon Neutral New Zealand (Transition? Is there a time-limit on that?)

Improving the wellbeing of New Zealanders and their families
o Ensure everyone is earning, learning, caring or volunteering (so everyone on the dole is earning, learning, caring or volunteering?)
o Support healthier, safer, & more connected communities (WTF?)
o Ensure everyone has a warm, dry home (Firewood drops?)
o Make New Zealand the best place in the world to be a child (How do we measure that?)

Providing new leadership by Government
o Deliver transparent, transformative and compassionate Government (This has to be a joke)
o Build closer partnerships with Maori (Compulsory Te Reo)
o Value who we are as a country (OK…)
o Create an international reputation we can be proud of (We had that, but it’s been quickly eroded in the last year)
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September 16, 2018 4:33pm
- Niz
  
  As I read this I thought that this sounded quite like a beauty queen telling the audience she wanted world peace.
  FFS.
  
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  September 16, 2018 4:44pm
  - noskire
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
    
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    September 16, 2018 4:46pm
    - Nermal
      
      So that’s where Clare plagiarised her speech from
      
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      September 16, 2018 5:20pm
    - Longknives
      
      Any truth to the rumours Miss South Carolina is actually being lined up for a Ministerial position by our desperate Labour/Greens Government?
      *Let’s be honest- She is an intellectual heavyweight compared to Jacinda and Kelvin…
      
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      September 16, 2018 6:03pm
  - calendar girl
    
    You weren’t implying that Ardern herself was a ‘beauty queen’, were you?
    
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    September 16, 2018 5:06pm
    - Niz
      
      She’s not our worst looking PM, but no, not implying that.
      
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      September 16, 2018 5:16pm
      - sooty
        
        Helen took that award.
        
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        September 16, 2018 5:55pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Helen Clark and Photoshop
        
        Now I’m sure Helen Clark isn’t the only one who loves Photoshop, so this post is not going to be entirely fair. But it would be a brave punter who would argue that HC’s photo for the past many years bears much resemblance to the real deal.
        …
        This Forbes photo shows her own teeth are probably not up to the standards imported in the Photoshop images. Whale Oil did a mini expose on that a while ago.
        …
        But with a smile and a bit of light and happiness, a good photo can be had. So why the Photoshop? Why the extreme Photoshop job? Is it the teeth? It’s hard to think of what else you would want to change. But come back to the original, who are they kidding? This sort of thing is not photography, it is art.
        
        The sting is in that last sentence: “This sort of thing is not photography, it is art.” 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2018 5:59pm
      - stigie
        
        “But with a smile and a bit of light and happiness, a good photo can be had.”
        
        Just beautiful Nostra, just beautiful !!
        
        https://i2.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Helen-Clark.png?ssl=1
        
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        September 16, 2018 6:12pm
      - nasska
        
        Be honest stigie. That vision of loveliness gets you more excited than stephieboy at a petting zoo! 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2018 6:21pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Stigie just hasn’t been the same since Helen left the building. But I’m led to believe that one of his coping mechanisms is to have a laminated (and Photoshopped) image of Helen on his bedroom wall – just like any teenager would!
        
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        September 16, 2018 6:24pm
      - nasska
        
        Okay Nostra. Confession time.
        
        I too had that photo hung on the wall. But only for motivational purposes & it was the wall of the long drop at the back of the shearing shed. 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2018 6:29pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        motivational purposes … the wall of the long drop at the back of the shearing shed
        
        What was it that motivated you? The steely gaze? The sharpened teeth? The thought of happy times with H2?
        
        (And, not that I’m a medical professional, but weren’t you exposing yourself to the risk of severe constipation?) 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2018 6:33pm
      - nasska
        
        In rural NZ, Labour governments & their leaders are blamed for many ills & problems.
        
        Constipation is not one of them. 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2018 6:37pm
- dave_c_
  
  Nothing new here – Isn’t this just the feelz being trotted out again. Vee haf vays of making you understand. In fact, a lie repeated ad-infinitum, becomes the fact – This lot have no conscience.
  
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  September 16, 2018 4:56pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  She’s gotta be havin a laugh, doesn’t she.
  Still moved on from showing the baby off, it isn’t quite the vote catcher she thought it might be.
  
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  September 16, 2018 5:45pm
Viking2

Here is the News.

After her worst week in Government, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has used a major speech to set out her priorities and outline a “coalition” blueprint for the years ahead.

As the first anniversary since the election nears, Ardern has outlined 12 priorities in a long-term plan that she said would drive the Government’s ongoing work programme.

She said the plan represented the shared vision and priorities of Labour, NZ First and the Greens, and had the support of all of them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107119510/a-year-on-and-with-winston-peters-at-her-side-jacinda-ardern-unveils-a-coalition-blueprint
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September 16, 2018 4:52pm
RF

Is that it….. nothing else…. no more…..

It’s a re-hash of old promises.

School report reads…. must do better. Easily distracted by trivia.
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September 16, 2018 5:32pm
paul scott

Hungary about to be punished by the unelected New World Collective for enacting the wishes of its people.

Dear Mr. Orban, Prime Minister of Hungary, Hungarian Cabinet, and people of Hungary.
Many people all over the world salute your Hungarian sovereignty.
In the face of the New World Collective vassal which is the European Union, you stand as a monument of pride in your own Nation,
This at a time when much of the “West” is collapsing to the invasion of people from less civilized places.

If I were younger I would apply to transfer my life and values to your nation, because in time you will be seen as the birth
of the new Europe.
Sincerely I write to you, be strong as you are in the face of this decadent structure which believes it can impose its will against that of your good people.
God bless Hungary and it’s sane, and honourable leaders.

Paul Scott, Citizen of New Zealand

Postal address: 1357 Budapest, Pf. 6.
E-mail: miniszterelnok@mk.gov.hu
Website: http://www.orbanviktor.hu
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September 16, 2018 5:47pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I saw a comment from George Friedman (Stratfor) who is currently in Budapest and he observed that the locals don’t really seem to give a shit about the EU and aren’t concerned.
  
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  September 16, 2018 5:53pm
noskire

FFS, at least stop borrowing the 1980’s shoulder-padded jacket look from Helen Clark, along with wearing one of the three necklaces that you do actually own.
I’m loathe to mount personal attacks but this muppet is completely devoid of any credibility.
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September 16, 2018 5:49pm
- noskire
  
  For the record, I have met every PM since Rowling.
  Clark thinks Gore is a backwater hic-town, just like most of us, and I wasn’t the first to think that Burton was Jenny Shipley’s DPO. Lange near the end was consumed by alcoholism – and that was pretty sad to see.
  It’s a real shame that Bill English isn’t PM now.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:07pm
- noskire
  
  And my point?
  Partisan politics aside, Adern is as shallow as it gets.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:16pm
wiseowl

Bridges says Cindys’ speech is ‘Trump like’

FFS.
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September 16, 2018 6:07pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I heard Simon say Cindy and Winston’s show of togetherness did not signal any difference from what the COL had been doing over the previous year. Just meaningless virtue signalling.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:19pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Trump gets shit done, Cindy just talks shit
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:27pm
lifesgood

I was just reading a thread on twitter and believe it or not there are some people who still truly think Jacinda is the second coming. Yeah, hard to believe I know.
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September 16, 2018 6:08pm
- cmm
  
  She has something like 30 people on her spin team. They must be doing something. Even if it is a Sunday.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:40pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Circle jerking for Tuesday? And Wednesday the shit hits the fan – denial on Thursday, media release 4pm Friday.
    Rinse and repeat
    
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    September 16, 2018 6:48pm
holysheet

You really couldn’t make up this shit if you tried.
Lead story on TV Tahi news tonight was the supposed unity between the COLL. The very next story was about the disagreement between NZF and liabore over the upcoming award bargining laws the unions are desperate to get.

For fucks sake the unity is fucked before the day is over.
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September 16, 2018 6:12pm
- noskire
  
  It’s just a frickin’ cluster-f**k holysheet.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:19pm
Longknives

So that was the ‘Big Announcement’?
Jacinda axed all her interviews and commitments for a big glossy pamphlet? (with super deluxe photos of Jacinda smiling at Schoolkids?)
At least it wasn’t another new Tax or Ministry I suppose…
But sweet Jesus how much longer can this go on for??
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September 16, 2018 6:19pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Snap, I shoulda looked further up the comments.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:43pm
- Piniwi
  
  Well Longknives with the old drunk being a no show for the question and answer session which only prolonged the humor perhaps this is a holding pattern until he falls off the perch? Failing memory as well as asking reporters to submit a written question? That is not the Winston First we know of old as he usually barks them into submission very eloquently. Think of the countless times so many interviewers have preferred to bite their tongue rather than even attempt another question. Even when in the pack.
  
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  September 16, 2018 7:10pm
waikatogirl

Locals blocked SH2 today for 1/2 an hour to protest the COL cancelling the road upgrade to a motorway. 21 people died in the last year on 37kms of the notorious road, a busy artery between Katikati and Tauranga. One protestor yelling at the camera for ‘Phil to fix the road’ Phil Twyford stated the road was due for an upgrade with intersections being realigned and barriers fitted.
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September 16, 2018 6:36pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Yup
  Like when my house roof has a hole in it, so I’ll paint it instead.
  That’ll fix it, eh phillis?
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:42pm
- DigNap15
  
  As I have said (and others) the new Cambridge by-pass and the Te Puke one are beautiful to drive on.
  And I think they have both been crash free!
  
  That is what National promised us for SH2. But Twyford and Gender want more cycleways.
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:50pm
cmm

The “released” progress report was withheld…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12126227

Another stuff up by an office junior?
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September 16, 2018 6:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  No, the ‘missing’ bit was a table of the government’s achievements to date.
  
  There are no achievements, obviously, so the table is simply empty.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:45pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right krazykiwi the table is empty because the cupboard is bare.
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:23pm
RW Capitalist

That was it????
The BIG announcement!!!
She cancelled 3 media events for this????
Translation:
NO
NO
NO
We really are united…..Really….
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September 16, 2018 6:40pm
- holysheet
  
  Really?
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:43pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Really?”…..
    
    I reckon she’s done a pretty good job of uniting us.
    
    Everyone on this forum seems united in thinking that she’s hopeless! 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2018 6:49pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      Possibly not everyone.
      
      Ztev (if he weren’t currently banned) would probably want to share some irrelevant anecdotes about John Key, and maybe Bill English, but… oh dear, how sad, never mind!
      
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      September 16, 2018 7:42pm
- Inandout
  
  Not ‘Trump like’ unfortunately, sorry Simon.
  
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  September 16, 2018 6:55pm
Piniwi

Funny hollysheet that even though it gets deeper there is yet nobody who can ever make this level of shit up. However it has not quieted all the Media party as we read : “But despite the show of unity, when Ardern was joined by her finance minister, Grant Robertson, and Shaw for a question-and-answer session, Peters was absent from the stage.” Tracy Watkins will get a smack for this from Stuff. We can only but imagine what the comments might have been if they had dared to open them up.
It is staggering that the silly little girl is so naive to ever believe such a load of old rope would be enough to quiet the stormy waters they are paddling their little round boat through. There are strong indications there are likely to be even more issues about to break the choppy surface in the coming week. Apart from the latest method being used to bypass Government funding of elections. MBIE staff are told that the concluded pay negotiations included a new “benefit” ” if you join the PSA before the the 20th of September you will be eligible for a one off PSA member only benefit of $500 (gross)” Gross is right. We are hastened to ask if this is an intended “benefit” to be included in ALL public service AND industry wide agreements? Likewise we must ponder the prospect of Winston First adopting the same funding model as Labour once most struggling industries find his buy in price out of reach? We might yet see him swiveling again on the regressive Labour Laws legislation. Especially since apparently “NO” NZF MP’s signed his agreement.
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September 16, 2018 7:00pm
DigNap15

If you are going to make a big announcements about the achievements of the COL in its first year and the plan for next year, why not do it on the anniversary (ie next month!)
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September 16, 2018 7:17pm
- Nostradamus
  
  DigNap15:
  
  Because desperate times call for desperate measures!
  
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  September 16, 2018 7:35pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Nostradamus it is sheer desperation that is driving the shaky good ship COL as we see that even so called “unity” was another signal the old Winston First missed completely by missing the Q&A after the big “announcement.” It is even funnier as NewShub rush to tell us : “The Prime Minister has laid out a blueprint for the coalition government for this term and potentially beyond.” Blueprint? It was even scant for a pencil sketch as the silly little girl tried so hard to blur the individual party lines. It more likely to rub the old drunk the wrong way rather than rub him out. We know he is worse than the proverbial old penny as he keeps turning up in loose change as this great change is starting to look like. Loose. Lol
    
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    September 16, 2018 9:18pm
- holysheet
  
  They know something we all suspect?
  That they will not make it?
  
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  September 16, 2018 8:05pm
  - DigNap15
    
    No, Ardern said that her plan is for the next 30 years!
    
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    September 16, 2018 8:47pm
    - sooty
      
      She’s lucky to see 30 days.
      
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      September 16, 2018 9:14pm
greybeard

I can’t wait to hear what Mike Hosking has to say about the “Great Announcement” tomorrow morning !
I hope he doesn’t hold anything back.
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September 16, 2018 8:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  he did
  
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  September 17, 2018 7:14am
sooty

Muttonbird is in full flight over at the strandard all day!
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September 16, 2018 9:33pm
Jack5

Is Britain in an even bigger multiculural mess than Sweden?

Islam extremist gangs are dominating a British prison, and have assaulted a Christian pastor.

They racially abused the pastor, a South Korean.

Then a Muslim imam took over as head chaplain and blocked the pastor’s courses, saying some of the Christian material was too radical.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6172019/Prison-chaplain-tells-terrorised-extremist-inmates-backed-ISIS.html
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September 16, 2018 10:34pm
- DigNap15
  
  You forgot the evil muslim girl grooming gangs!
  I’d chop their dicks off and send them back
  
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