General Debate 12 September 2018

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Pete George

This may be of interest to some here: Dermot Nottingham adjudicated bankrupt
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September 12, 2018 8:01am
- srylands
  
  The link is broken. ?
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:08am
  - Pete George
    
    https://yournz.org/2018/09/12/dermot-nottingham-adjudicated-bankrupt/
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:09am
    - john1234
      
      What was this guy’s blog called?
      
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      September 12, 2018 10:54am
      - Jack5
        
        Pete George: You’ve been backing a name change from New Zealand to Aotearoa.
        
        Yet your blog’s called “Your NZ”.
        
        Pete, don’t you think you should change it to “Your Aotearoa,” “Your Ao-oa”, or “Your A.,” or “Your Long White Cloud,” or “Your LWC” – or what? Can’t keep that old colonisers’ handle.
        
        Then there’s the question of changing “Pete George” to “Petera Hori” (translations taken from here:)
        
        http://www.whakapapaclub.nz/lists/maori-english-name-translations/
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:02pm
      - Pete George
        
        I don’t see your logic.
        I’ve always had the same name and see no need to change it.
        My blog has always had the same name and don’t see any need to change it.
        They are both my choice, no vote needed.
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:47pm
      - Jack5
        
        But Pete, “NZ” will become an anachronism. ?
        
        While you’re online perhaps you can enlighten us on the “proper” way to spell “Otago”. Is it Otakou? Is that to change, too?
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:50pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Good.
  Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:17am
- Harriet
  
  Looked up yesterday’s GD ——-What a bunch of arseholes you lot are!
  Happy Birthday for yesterday Dave Farrar! 😎
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:07am
holysheet

Cindy is on her first official visit to the UN. She runs into Angela Merkel. After a bit of small talk, she asks Merkel about the secret of her great success. Merkel tells her, that all it takes is to be surrounded by many intelligent people.
How do you find out that quick, if someone is intelligent?“, Cindy asks.
Let me show you“, Merkel replies. She picks up the phone, calls up Wolfgang Schäuble (President of the German Federal Parliament) and asks him: “Mr. Schäuble – he is the son of your father, but he is not your brother. Who is he?“
Without hesitation, Schäuble replies: “That’s an easy one. It’s me, of course!“
See?“, Merkel tells Cindy, “This is how I am testing the intelligence of the people I surround myself with.“
Filled with excitement, Cindy flies back to New Zealand.
Upon arrival, she immediately calls up Winston to ask him the same question.
“He‘s the son of your father, but he’s not your brother. Who is he?“
After a lengthy back-and-forth, Winston says: “I have no clue, but I will try to find out by tomorrow.“
Winston torments his brain, but still can’t make any sense of it, so he decides to ask Geoffrey Palmer for help. He calls him up: “Geoffrey, he‘s the son of your father, yet not your brother. Who is he?“
“Well, that would be me, of course“, Palmer replies.
Relived to have finally found the answer, Winston calls up Cindy, and triumphantly goes: “I got the answer to your question now! It’s Geoffrey Palmer!“
Cindy is pissed. “No, you IDIOT!, she yells at Winston, “It is Wolfgang Schauble!
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September 12, 2018 8:01am
- SGA
  
  An oldie but a goodie 🙂
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:36am
igm

When is this bullshit Maori crap going to be stopped on radio and television . . . it makes me puke, especially that Heva Marnew bint.
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September 12, 2018 8:02am
- dave_c_
  
  I made a submission to the BSA, indicating the use of aotearoa being used as the (what I consider) formal name of New Zealand. Indicated the basis for my complaint being that this is not ‘factual’. No surprise here, my complaint was rejected. Me-thinks the BSA is in someones pocket.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:10am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
    
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    Don’t be a rissole dave_c**_
    
    Aotearoa is as good a name as any!
    
    Dutch explorer Abel Tasman sighted New Zealand in 1642 and named it Staten Land “in honour of the States General” (Dutch parliament). He wrote, “it is possible that this land joins to the Staten Land but it is uncertain”, referring to a landmass of the same name at the southern tip of South America, discovered by Jacob Le Maire in 1616. In 1645, Dutch cartographers renamed the land Nova Zeelandia after the Dutch province of Zeeland. British explorer James Cook subsequently anglicised the name to New Zealand.
    
    Aotearoa often translated as “land of the long white cloud”) is the current Māori name for New Zealand. It is unknown whether Māori had a name for the whole country before the arrival of Europeans, with Aotearoa originally referring to just the North Island. Māori had several traditional names for the two main islands, including Te Ika-a-Māui (the fish of Māui) for the North Island and Te Waipounamu (the waters of greenstone) or Te Waka o Aoraki (the canoe of Aoraki) for the South Island. Early European maps labelled the islands North (North Island), Middle (South Island) and South (Stewart Island/Rakiura). In 1830, maps began to use North and South to distinguish the two largest islands and by 1907 this was the accepted norm. The New Zealand Geographic Board discovered in 2009 that the names of the North Island and South Island had never been formalised, and names and alternative names were formalised in 2013. This set the names as North Island or Te Ika-a-Māui, and South Island or Te Waipounamu. For each island, either its English or Māori name can be used, or both can be used together.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:23am
    - dave_c_
      
      Mecca – I guess ‘Arsehole’ is as good a name as any to describe some people.
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:40am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Careful there dave_c,
        
        “Arsetearoa” could become the name of a country or something…
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:17am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The trouble with “Aotearoa” is that it has too many syllables for a single word, and doesn’t sound like any word in the native language of the population.
      
      Country names usually sound like a name that the native inhabitants would choose. (I know, “Zealand” is an un-English-sounding name, but at least it only has two syllables and doesn’t end in a vowel.)
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:46am
      - Jack5
        
        The Germans call NZ “Neuseeland”: New Sea Land. Not a bad name for a bunch of islands in a huge ocean. (Yep, “see” means lake in German, but it also means “sea’.) And “New Zealand” isn’t a bad version of “New Sea Land”.
        
        Remoteness and ocean define this country, and “New Zealand” by its connotations is closer to these than is “Aotearoa”.
        
        When it comes to sound, give me the “Z” consonant of “Zealand” rather than the ox-speed, wagon train of vowels in “Aotearoa”.
        
        Samoans call NZ “Niu Sila”. They seem quite happy with basing the name on “New Zealand”. Countries that don’t use English typically just translate the sound of “New Zealand” into their own tongue.
        
        “Aotearoa” would entail a long and expensive campaign to change our national name around the world.
        
        Burma became Myanmar about 30 years ago, and the new name is still not welcome by all in that country, and there is confusion abroad about the name. Aung San Suu Kyi still prefers the name “Burma.”
        
        The “Aotearoa” brigade can expect a similar fight in NZ.
        
        I hope it’s more than legend that a New Zealand officer rallied his troops in bitter fighting in Crete with the cry, “Stand for New Zealand!”
        
        “Stand for Aotearoa” doesn’t have the same stirring ring.
        
        The obvious solution is for New Zealand to remain the country’s name in English, and Aotearoa to be the name in Maori.
        
        Why are Maori trying to take over New Zealand English when they have a language of their own? Or are social justice warriors, rather than Maori, those really pushing for the English-language change?
        
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        September 12, 2018 5:39pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Kippenberger (German name!) called for his men to “stand for New Zealand” and “anything else I could think of” (from memory) when his composite brigade was angaged in a desperate fight on Crete.
        I don’t see how that has any relevance to what people prefer to call this land though. Had ‘Aotearoa’ been common usage at the time, he would perhaps have used that name.
        
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        September 12, 2018 5:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, “Kippenberger,” yes a German name. So, too, is “Freyberg”, and the names of two NZ air aces are Germanic: Kleimeyer and Kuhn. And of course the colonial guerilla fighting leader, von Tempsky, was an East Prussian.
        
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        September 12, 2018 10:29pm
    - Jade Warrior
      
      “Aotearoa” will never be a viable name for our country because it looks too similar to the name “Australia”. Many of us fret about the fact that our two flags look similar. Why then would we want to further confuse the situation by adopting a similar looking name?
      
      There is also a widespread misconception (particularly in North America) that New Zealand and Australia are one and the same. I would imagine that many North Americans would fail to spot the difference between Aotearoa and Australia and conclude that the trans-Tasman federation has indeed become a reality.
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:52am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Aotearoa”
        “Australia”
        
        Look at that! Same length. Both start and end with an “A.” Both have a “t” around the middle.
        
        So many people in a hurry are going to confuse the two. (Yes, really.)
        
        This is an accident waiting to happen.
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:58am
      - SGA
        
        When I first lived in the US, people would somehow confuse New Zealand with Greenland, Iceland, or Switzerland! Seriously. I was sometimes complimented for how well my English was progressing.
        At least Australia is in the right hemisphere (actually, occasionally I came across the slightly more geographically literate person who thought that the Sydney harbour bridge connected the two countries).
        
        Maybe we should change our flag to help prevent further confusion, Odakyu and Jade? (/tongue-in-cheek)
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:08am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No problem for Koreans
        
        Aotearoa 아오테아로아
        Australia 호주
        New Zealand 뉴질랜드
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:24am
    - mandk
      
      I think you should write in Maori if you want to call the country Aotearoa.
      
      In English, it’s New Zealand.
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:58am
      - Than
        
        Yes, this a hundred times over.
        
        It’s a simple courtesy that when speaking a language you use the names (for objects, places, times, everything) from that language. And beyond courtesy it’s also practical, reducing the chance of misunderstanding. So when speaking English the country is Japan, but when speaking Japanese it is Nihon (or rather than kanji for Nihon).
        
        Now many place names in New Zealand are of Maori origin, but they are no longer Maori words. They are English words. The fact that they have a Maori origin does not make them Maori words, any more than Maori words of English origin (like “tiriti” for example) are English words. So Wanganui is the correct name for the city in English. If you are speaking Maori than it should be Whanganui, but in English this is wrong. (Let’s not even get started down the rabbit-hole that Maori was not a written language pre-contact, so quibbling over the “correct” spelling is somewhat ridiculous).
        
        This also applies with pronunciation. Demanding that English-language place names of Maori origin be said the same way they are in Maori is wrong. These are English names, they should be pronounced the way they have been pronounced for generations. When speaking Maori, sure, insist on the correct Maori pronunciation of the Maori words. But demanding that English speakers change how they say English-language words (in many cases so radically that they become unrecognizable) is simply selfish and obnoxious. It is effectively demanding that Maori be given special status, that it is more important than English.
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:24am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        In law, it is New Zealand
        
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        September 12, 2018 10:28am
    - Than
      
      Aotearoa is as good a name as any!
      
      Not true. If you go anywhere in the world outside of New Zealand, they will never have heard the name “Aotearoa” and will have no idea what you’re talking about. You say “New Zealand”, and they will at least heard of it. They may not know a single fact about it (beyond that the Lord of the Rings movies were filmed here), but they’ll at least know its a place.
      
      Language is meant for communication, that’s its function. Given a choice between a word that less than 1% of English-language speakers understand and one that 99% understand, it shouldn’t be a hard choice.
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:58am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I agree with Than.
        
        In modern Japanese “New Zealand” is ニュージーランド.
        In the olden days, when kanji characters where more in use, the name was 新西蘭　　
        新 = New
        西 = West
        蘭 = Holland
        
        (West Holland being “Zealand”)
        
        Ask our Chinese friends how they write New Zealand in traditional Chinese characters (not the simplified characters).
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:14am
      - itstricky
        
        If you go anywhere in the world outside of New Zealand, they will never have heard the name “Aotearoa”
        
        Sure, that’s a valid argument. Right now, however, (I presume) you and I live in New Zealand. We breathe New Zealand air, comment on a New Zealand blog with virtual New Zealand accents, with other New Zealanders about New Zealand issues.
        
        So, Aotearoa, being an official name, of an official language, of the country of New Zealand (we’re not exporting our words to Japan, Korea, or The United States of America) is valid. In this country. Of New Zealand.
        
        Just like ‘jandals’, ‘sandals’ and ‘shelia’ are valid New Zealand English words. Don’t tell me that the Japanese know what any of those mean, or that you wouldn’t use them when dealing with other New Zealanders.
        
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        September 12, 2018 10:48am
      - Than
        
        Actually at the moment I am current resident in the US on a work visa. Not sure yet when (or even if) I’ll return to NZ.
        
        Even for Kiwis living in New Zealand there are plenty of occasions to be talking with non-NZ English speakers. With the internet we can be frequently communicating with people from other countries. We get plenty of foreign vistors to NZ, for study, tourism, or work. And even travelling to foreign countries isn’t particularly uncommon these days.
        
        If there was some benefit to using the word Aotearoa, something to be gained, then sure, it could make sense. But as there is absolutely none, I see no reason to put unnecessary barriers between the English spoken in NZ and the English spoken in the rest of the world.
        
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        September 12, 2018 11:41am
      - itstricky
        
        With the internet we can be frequently communicating with people from other countries. We get plenty of foreign vistors to NZ, for study, tourism, or work.
        
        These arguments don’t hold much weight, however.
        
        Internet communication. Well sure, if it’s an important business function, you’re not going to slip Maori words into it. If it’s a casual Facetime with the rellies (there’s another localism) – then – hey, why not. Context is the key, not whether it is foreign communication or not.
        
        Foreign tourists like to learn local culture, local words and be put out of their comfort zone a little. This is one of the reasons for travel in the first place. Would everyone travel if everyone in every country did exactly the same thing and said exactly the same phrases?
        
        I see no reason to put unnecessary barriers
        
        Barriers that only exist in certain contexts.
        
        There is no rhyme, reason, or benefit to using jandals, jelly, sheilas, sparkies, chippies, pavlova, or takeaways, either.
        
        But we will continue to use them, despite the confusion they may cause abroad and the fact that they are not “proper English” as you prescribe it.
        
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        September 12, 2018 12:34pm
      - SGA
        
        I see no reason to put unnecessary barriers between the English spoken in NZ and the English spoken in the rest of the world
        
        I am not advocating a complete name change, but I think that you are exaggerating your case. There once were places like, for example, Burma, Peking, East Pakistan, Ceylon, Bombay, Formosa, Dutch East Indies, but people adapted reasonably quickly to the change. It’s a low barrier.
        
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        September 12, 2018 2:10pm
      - Than
        
        Aotearoa is fundamentally different from the other examples you cite.
        
        The others are all Kiwi slang. Every country develops their own slang, and you might think that’s a good thing giving character or a bad thing separating them from the world. But that view is moot either way because there is nothing we can do about it. Slang evolves, and it’s highly unlikely we could stop this happening if we wanted to.
        
        Aotearoa and other Maori language terms are completely different. They did not appear spontaneously from local use. They were introduced, very deliberately through government intervention, due to pressure from Maori interest groups. A completely different situation.
        
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        September 12, 2018 2:26pm
      - SGA
        
        Kiwi slang? Some are, some aren’t. I wouldn’t call words like itstricky’s examples of jandals, pavlova, or takeaways slang – they are fairly entrenched in the standard NZ vocabulary. Is “gumboots” uniquely NZ?
        
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        September 12, 2018 2:37pm
      - SGA
        
        Apparently not – curiosity got the better of me.
        
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        September 12, 2018 2:45pm
      - itstricky
        
        Aotearoa is fundamentally different from the other examples you cite
        
        Disagree. If you were living here, I can’t see you reliably telling me that you don’t use jandals, jelly, or takeaways and that you have other “proper” words for them that everyone in this country (and others) can understand.
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:46pm
  - Harkman
    
    Dave the SA in BSA, standards for Socialist Agenda. The BSA has to go. The only thing the BSA has banned is Wrestling (with Hulk Hogan), which was a terrible decision.
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:03am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I’d love for the country to be renamed Aotearoa! Every 4 years I sit through the interminable parade of nations at the Olympics until New Zealand enters after The Netherlands. Every 4 years I answer a call of nature when Nauru parade, every 4 years I come back in to see Pakistan walk past.
    
    I’d rather sit through 6 nations until Aotearoa march past, plus we’d get in before Australia!
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:21am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Good point. Lets call it Aaotearoa instead, so that we get to go first in any multinational event.
      
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      September 12, 2018 1:41pm
- srylands
  
  This is just the beginning.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yep, last night I caught the last 30 minutes of Campbell on Red Radio. They had s piece about a woman from up north “using not TeReo, but her local Ngapuhi dialect” and then they broadened it out to discuss another who spoke in her Ngai Tahu dialect.
    
    So, instead of just one language we will end up with 500 plus versions before we blink, as each little kiwi wants there version of Tte Reo recognized. The best bit is it will put all the “progressive liberals” in a spin as they try to work out which word and pronounciation is correct. Serves them right.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:21am
    - SGA
      
      Years ago, there was a TV show called Auf Wiedersehen Pet about a diverse group of English labourers in Germany. Some tongue-in-cheek complainers were asking for subtitles.
      You’ll get an idea from this clip.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRW2lo-xcik
      Regional variants (not just accent, but vocabulary and idiom) are the norm not the exception in most languages.
      Many foreign English speakers find our version of English amusing in some regards.
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:46am
      - Longknives
        
        One of the greatest British TV shows of all time!
        Launched the careers of Timothy Spall and Jimmy Nail…(Gary Holton sadly died of a drug overdose between Series 1 and 2)
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:59am
      - hullkiwi
        
        The first series was the best. The composition of the cast almost captured all of the accents/dialects of England with the exceptions of he South west and North West. In all there were 4 series and a special. Bloody good TV.
        
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        September 12, 2018 9:18am
    - KevOB
      
      Expect more: the younger radicals are wanting increased tribal recognition. I am getting hints that the settlements are disturbing their old enmities as they measure relativities.
      Scores were not settled at Waitangi just held in abeyance. It probably prevented Nga Puhi wiping out the rest of NZ. Te wiki o te reo Maori is all part of this. The forced feeding add nothing but activist political power. They want to effectively rescind the treaty.
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:52am
- stephieboy
  
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  igm, it won’t be! Get used to it and invest in some earplugs or an operation to make you permanently deaf ( which you are likely anyway)
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:11am
  - dave_c_
    
    What an idiot you are stephie – obviously you have nothing useful to contribute to these discussions.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:16am
    - Inandout
      
      davec, can’t you see, stephie wears earplugs while on the goat and bleats to himself?
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:21am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Inandout:
        
        To be more precise, I think Stephieboy bought butt plugs, but puts them in his ears!
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:24am
  - pentwig
    
    well said stupidthing
    such a great contribution to KBs discussion
    in the mood for ogling young girls are you?
    
    LOL
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:28am
- Chris R
  
  igm: I am pleased you have an issue with that Neva woman. Her diction is oily and smug. Despite her gushing Maori, her pronunciation of English leaves much to be desired. My bugbear with her is her insistence to place a “d” in the word project. I notice too that she gushes to the point of a volcano if her news is economically despondent. Newstalk would do well to get rid of her.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:25am
  - LTA1955
    
    I have been calling her out since October 12th 2017 after she squirmed and fawned all over Jackass when the Coalition of Losers was announced. The intonation in leftie preachy news items is accentuated as she virtually spits out the words. I’m sure the news booth windows need a good clean after 9.00am each morning.
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:13am
- softail 1450
  
  igm ,nobody is as bad as “hack lame” on TV 1’s breakfast program,its fricking sickening…..
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:04am
  - igm
    
    He is a typical Labour-loving wimp. Bet he was a bullied nark at school.
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:23am
- Harkman
  
  I heard Jack Tame say “Morena” now there’s no way that is the pre European Maori word for good morning.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:05am
  - namron
    
    Maori as a viable useful language only survives with hundreds of transliterations, as an animistic stone age language wouldn’t get far these days.
    When these new “Maori” words are laughable abortions of the English original eg “kutikuti” for scissors and the often used “morena’ for good morning etc I’m waiting for a good reason for why I should change from “Good morning”!!
    It is forgotten [or never known] that NZ as the 126th country in the World, based on population and also way down here in the South Pacific, we are NOT well known as some deluded NZers seem to think.
    Now after 150+ years there will be millions, [billions even,] of references in books, movies, maps etc in homes and libraries globally of our name as New Zealand. The on-going battle to raise awareness of NZ would not be helped by a name change.
    {It is pleasing to see the strong objections to a name change by many contributors to KB.}
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    September 12, 2018 11:41am
    - SGA
      
      When these new “Maori” words are laughable abortions of the English original
      
      Just as some modern English words have been borrowed whole or are cobbled together pieces from other languages (sometimes two languages (Greek and Latin usually) in the same word). We are used to them as whole words, so we don’t recognise them for their constituent parts or origins. It’s just part of how languages acquire new vocabulary.
      
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      September 12, 2018 2:25pm
- dime
  
  streaming, downloading and podcasts = Dime hasn’t heard a thing in Maori this week. It’s glorious.
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:17am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You have missed nothing.
    
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    September 12, 2018 10:35am
    - lifesgood
      
      Guyon Espiner is in hospital this week. Well he must be spewing. Maori language week and he could show off his amazing (sarc) maori even more than the tedious idiot normally does. I wish him well for his health but am so glad of the timing.
      
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      September 12, 2018 12:28pm
mister nui

Take note Cindy:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/11/small-business-optimism-surges-to-highest-ever.html

See what happens when you do things conducive to business growing, rather than leave them with uncertainty and a plan to whack them with more tax, regulation and being under the stiff-arm of your union heavies.
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September 12, 2018 8:02am
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A time to look back to more primitive times,

‘The strap’ – corporal punishment at school in New Zealand

It was a time many of us would like to forget. Less than 30 years ago, teachers in New Zealand had the legal right to physically punish their students for bad behaviour and some of them were more enthusiastic about it than others.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/eyewitness/audio/2018660217/the-strap-corporal-punishment-at-school-in-new-zealand
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September 12, 2018 8:05am
- igm
  
  Did one miss and hit you on the head . . . may explain why you are such a f/wit.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  On Cold frosty mornings a number of us would line up to get the strap from our classroom teacher to warm our hands.
  -Fact, Castlecliff School, 1961-62.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:12am
  - VicParking
    
    Loved the cane, set me up for a life as a masochist.
    Well until I realised you can get all the pain you want by getting married or voting labour. (you will not get any bruises.)
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:41am
    - softail 1450
      
      Vicparking, had a sadistic male teacher at high school that the female teachers would send us too for caning ,he would intimidate and bully ,he once sent me home on friday afternoon instead of caning me told me to “enjoy your weekend” come back monday morning for the whack.
      it was a great day in my life when i met the fucking arsehole in a bottle store carpark about ten years later and gave him a good slapping in front of his gay partner ,I realise it was wrong but that POS deserved it ,he would have gotten the rego of my bike but i never heard a peep from the cops maybe he’d realised what a devious prick he was…..
      
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      September 12, 2018 9:22am
      - VicParking
        
        One teacher was useless at canning. One time after six of the best I turned round and asked him when he was going to start. He never canned me again.
        
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        September 12, 2018 3:36pm
      - RF
        
        In the days when Police / MOT had the discretion of just taking keys and forbidding drunk drivers to drive rather than prosecuting I am aware of the following.
        
        A male high school teacher in a rural area who had a reputation as a bully and taking pleasure in caning had retired and had his farewell at his local watering hole. At the finish he turned down offers to be driven home and being an utter prick, drove.
        
        He unfortunately drove through a stop sign without stopping and was spotted by a MOT traffic officer who just happened to be one of his former pupils he had flogged on a regular basis.
        
        The night did not end well for him and the cop threw the book at him. Apart from the DIC charge the car was gone over with a fine tooth comb and a number vehicle offences noted.
        
        Pay back.
        
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        September 12, 2018 3:44pm
  - G152
    
    Then you went to Tech and watched the boys get caned until they were warm 🙂
    
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    September 12, 2018 10:42am
  - Garbageman
    
    I had a dep principle that was a short ass but mean as fk and terrifying when i was in intermediate i kid you not he would get up on a chair to jump down giving his 3″ leather strap a glorious height to inflict maximum pain, met him many years later when i was in the pub game i had shot to 6’4″ he must have been 5″fk all asked him if he remembered me yes he did we exchanged sly smirks never seen him again, i nicknamed his strap the attitude adjuster it might have taken a few attempts but i do believe it eventually worked as i was a model pupil by the time i reached high school
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:18pm
- cmm
  
  Sure it was no doubt abused occasionally, but it is way better than the current state of affairs where a teacher gets into three flavours of shit for even restraining a kid in any way.
  
  Teachers are now reluctant to step in when they see kids fighting. How can that be a good thing?
  
  Perhaps a wee bit of corporal punishment is a good way to set the kid back in the right direction before their level of offending escalates.
  
  We really have no punishment level below imprisonment. For many, that’s the first real time they get any feedback that they’ve been naughty.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:14am
  - SGA
    
    Perhaps a wee bit of corporal punishment is a good way to set the kid back in the right direction before their level of offending escalates.
    We really have no punishment level below imprisonment. For many, that’s the first real time they get any feedback that they’ve been naughty.
    
    Does our prison population really consist of people who have never had a good clip around the ear? I would have thought that many are from backgrounds where such a clip is on the low end of the violence that happened at home. One of the “problem” guys at boarding school had no fear of the cane because it was a joke compared to the thrashings his Dad gave him with a length of alkathene pipe.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:20pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  An interesting point you raise Stephieboy. Do you think there is a correlation with the decline in classroom behaviour (hence the highest levels of expulsions ever) and respect for teachers since the ability to discipline children was removed from schools? Another great lefty legacy – rights before responsibilities.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:33am
- Fletch
  
  And the children were a lot more behaved… These days teachers almost cannot discipline kids. Not allowed to touch them, and (from what I’ve heard) you’re not even allowed to send them out of the classroom for time out because they’re away from supervision. Too much cotton wool.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:55am
- softail 1450
  
  septicboy,,,I’m reasonably confident that strapping and the cane in schools decades ago was Trumps fault,do you agree septicboy?
  He’s such a bad president it must have been his fault…..ha,ha,ha.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:11am
- SGA
  
  To add a different perspective – I boarded at an all boys high school where caning in the boarding house was reasonably frequent (and often broke the skin, especially if you were in your pyjamas). I’m not sure how much of a deterent it was – if you were caught talking during prep or after lights out (hence the pyjama business), and you were given a choice between caning and being “gated” for all or part of the weekend, most chose the cane. It was over quickly, and you could still get out in the weekend. The real troublemakers took pride in the number of times that they had been caned and cut small notches in their jandals to keep score.
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:42am
tom hunter

Because of course it was actually Wednesday, Sep 12 here in NZ…

9:42:07 am EST (Eastern Standard Time)

DEVLIN:
This is Chief Devlin, I gotta get a run down of the companies. We’re in a state of confusion.

NYFD:
Alright

DEVLIN:
For 8087

NYFD:
Is that the box number, 80…?

DEVLIN:
That’s the World Trade. That’s where we’re at, number Two, We’re at the South Tower.

NYFD:
Yeah, yeah…
Edna? Edna? Pick up 263? Give this guy a rundown for Number Two, World Trade.
NYFD:
Hello?

DEVLIN:
Yes

NYFD:
Okay, That’s Engine 211.
Ladder 11
Engine 44
Engine 22

DEVLIN:
Hang on. Engine 44?

NYFD:
Engine 22
Engine 53
Engine 40
Division 3
Battalion 10
Battalion 12
Ladder 16
Ladder 2
Ladder 13
Engine 221
Engine 23
Engine 209
Engine 212
279
230
229
235
220
216
217
238
214
Ladder 12
Ladder 118
Ladder 7
Ladder 24
High Rise 1
Battalion 11
Engine 74
Engine 76
Engine 47
Engine 58
Engine 91
Ladder 22
Ladder 25
Ladder 35
Ladder 4
Ladder 21
Engine 41

DEVLIN:
Ok. Thank you.

The South Tower would collapse 17 minutes after this phone call. The South Tower death toll:
9 Chiefs
9 Captains
25 Lieutenants
149 Firefighters
192 Total
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September 12, 2018 8:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  It was just after lunchtime in London when we got the first news report of the plane going into the South Tower. We went to the board room and turned on the TV.
  I’ll never forget the footage, in which you could see clearly people falling to their certain deaths from the Towers. Truly harrowing moments.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:52am
  - G152
    
    Didn’t go to work that day. Stayed home and watched the horror
    
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    September 12, 2018 10:44am
  - Flash
    
    I was working night shift. One of the girls came back from her meal break saying : I think WW3 has started, they’re saying a plane just flew into a building in New York! I didn’t get to see tv until I got home and by that time the coverage was more organised.
    Very effective terrorism, and the US is still actively suffering.
    
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    September 12, 2018 7:21pm
AgainstTheFlow

Worthwhile to watch this funny clip about the Woke Left by a Bearded ABC lefty

https://www.facebook.com/tonightly/videos/2121899881400881/
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September 12, 2018 8:06am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  NOBODY’S LAUGHING
  
  Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph
  April 4, 2018 4:00am
  
  This isn’t comedy. This isn’t satire. This is a hate crime against comedy and satire.
  The pity giggles are excruciating. Why is the federal government making us pay for this?
  UPDATE. The ABC is where comedy goes to die.
  
  https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/nobodys-laughing/news-story/68ba36dd636c543fb198813e8d3804de
  
  Sigh!
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:17am
Maggy Wassilieff

What happens when all the Treaty of Waitangi settlements are completed?

Looks like this proposed Crown-Maori Partnership Office will start looking for more cash and new grievances…
From Q4 in the House yesterday:

Hon Christopher Finlayson: Could he please explain what is meant by the statement that was made yesterday, in relation to the office, that one of his and the new agency’s roles will be to “Develop engagement, co-design and partnership principles that ensure agencies generate the best solutions;”?

Hon ANDREW LITTLE: That member will be well aware that his former role and my current role will shortly run out of work to do, because we will have, by and large, completed the Treaty settlement process. But, as Sir Robin Cooke said in 1987, the Treaty is alive, it is a relationship, and we have to think about what that relationship looks like and how it is conducted in the years ahead. That is what that set of words he referred to describes about the future for Aotearoa.
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September 12, 2018 8:06am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The gravy train will be ongoing, and will never end.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  We mustn’t forget that Finlayson was appointed Treaty Minister because he had years as a lawyer making good dosh out of many ‘Maori claims’. He could have put a lid on claims, but didn’t, because when he goes back into private practice….
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:30am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    One of the worst legacies of the Key government – to conclude all ToW claims.
    
    Full and final settlement my arse.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:36am
    - KevOB
      
      Have Maori played an enormous trick on the govt with their treaty claims? That would be culturally appropriate. If adequate due diligence is not done and you hand over what is asked for they win.
      
      Has any govt actually tried to measure what losses if any have occurred? Has inflation over 150 years been considered properly? Why accept demands for compensation when the Crown adopted the same way of acquiring land as they had? We never agreed our occupation was by renewable licence on an increasing rental arrangement.
      
      NZ needs to very careful not to let tribalism rise again or be taken in by it.
      
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      September 12, 2018 9:10am
    - kevn
      
      @SC… I think the first of three, final settlements for Tainui took place in the 1950’s.
      
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      September 12, 2018 9:28am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        One of the tenets of the ToW was that Maori cede authority to the Crown and in return would be afforded the same rights as all British subjects; something not afforded any other indigenous peoples. What do you suppose the Crown’s expectations would be of it’s subjects in terms of societal contribution and behaviour?
        Have Maori upheld this and if not should they be asked to compensate the Crown?
        
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        September 12, 2018 12:12pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The more the State does for Maori, the less they will do for themselves.
  
  (Maybe the State doesn’t want them to do things for themselves…)
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:48am
- wiseowl
  
  Thanks for that Maggie.
  The Cooke decision has helped turn the country on its head.
  This answer from Little should scare the hell out of every New Zealander.
  The Treaty had nothing to do with partnership or co-governance and yet politicians seem determined to go down this path which is essentially separate development.
  Is there any hope that NZ First will stop this going any further?
  Unfortunately Findlayson is just as much to blame for this whole treaty debacle.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:51am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Is there any hope that NZ First will stop this going any further?
    
    Well…. judging by past performance, there sure isn’t a hope in hell that the useless wet dribbles in the National Party would do anything to stop the rot in this country.
    
    We need a new party to represent normal decent people and we need it now!
    
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    September 12, 2018 10:08am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I couldn’t understand why the United States didn’t close its borders to immigration by followers of Wahhabism, expel all those engaged in the promotion of this sect, and shut down all the sect’s facilities on US soil.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:25am
  - KevOB
    
    Petrodollars.
    The USA did a deal with Saudis for all their oil to be traded in USD. That gave the US dollar reserve status.
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:15pm
waikatogirl

Robert Reid, First Union has voiced concerned that Winston Peters is the tail wagging the dog. The unions are not happy with NZ First getting the upper hand and Labour having to back down on policy announcements.

Infighting in the COL… Is that a loud crack in the facade of the leadership? ?
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September 12, 2018 8:07am
- igm
  
  May the whole ship go down, preferably proving unsalvageable.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:12am
- mister nui
  
  Yes, and because Cindy is so weak, the unions are not going to be at all happy with her not controlling Winny. The unions have bought and paid for their policies, if she is too weak to get them implemented, she’ll be gone by lunchtime. Then their man Andy will be installed.
  
  Can’t wait for it myself.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:20am
- KevOB
  
  Unite have sensed correctly. Winston appointed and Winston denies.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:34am
  - john1234
    
    Been some political/media brouhaha in the last couple of days, the headline being that power bills have increased by “almost 80% since 1990” e.g. see
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/surging-cost-electricity
    However, if I use the Reserve Bank’s inflation calculator, I see that $1 in Q1 1990 has inflated to $1.77 today. So electricity prices have inflated at almost exactly the CPI rate… doesn’t quite make the same impact on a headline.
    
    https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/monetary-policy/inflation-calculator
    
    Also, wages inflated to $2.25 over the same period so power is now effectively cheaper than in 1990.
    
    So much for thoughtful analysis in the media.
    
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    September 12, 2018 11:00am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s MMP working as designed. You need 51% to form a government but only 7% is enough to determine the policies that government will implement.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:50am
- Tricati
  
  Winston was around in the 70’s and saw the damage the unions did.
  Cindy, Robo and Lees-Galloway et:al weren’t, and have no idea what impact returning to those days will have on business and families.
  I think Peters is an arse, but support him on this.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:16am
- RW Capitalist
  
  He started with “Jacinda Ardern is the best PM we have had for a long time”
  Observation skills and credibility…….GONE.
  On the issue of the unions being unhappy.
  Who cares…NOBODY voted for them.
  Even though he is correct that the tail is wagging the dog…begs a couple of statements
  1. Labour is a dog!!
  2. People warned that MMP would do this and Winnie has shown this to be true time and again.
  3. To truly work MMP requires HONEST parties and MP’s, with the voters best interest and electoral intentions at heart (Winnie…HAHAHA)
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:08am
- The Heat
  
  Winston holds the power and what he says, goes.
  
  Some Unions are a bit slow, obviously.
  
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  September 12, 2018 7:06pm
secondcumming

My mother in-law is well into her 70’s, but remains an astute-observer of world affairs.

Last night she emailed us this link under the heading: Ching Chong Chinaman welly welly sad……… and went on to say, “When I was a child all they owned were the Fruit & Vege shops – now check this out!”

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1039279925834993664
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September 12, 2018 8:10am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, just as the POMs sold off and allowed many of their great companies to be sold and broken up from the 1980s onwards. We will continue to see the likes of Rio Tinto fall into the hands of the Chinese. The problem with businessmen in the English speaking world, the are only interested in short term profit. For example you don’t see the families behind the famous German companies selling off their shareholdings for a quick buck, and then complain everything is being manufactured in Asia.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:47am
  - kevn
    
    @hull… The chinese are thinking generations ahead. The west generally just look at short term.
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:30am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Your mother-in-law cannot tell the difference between 3rd-generation New Zealanders of exclusive Chinese ethnicity who could ran fruit & vegetable stores, to the well-funded Chinese that the NZ government welcomed into this country (along with their money (with no questions asked about the sources)).
  
  Pros: Economy on steroids
  Cons: Ethnic displacement*
  
  *Doesn’t figure in the public mind, because nobody knows (or cares) what a “Kiwi” really is.
  If they did, then ethnic displacement would lead to riots in the streets and sectarian violence.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:53am
  - secondcumming
    
    From the article…..
    
    “To get his way, Jianzhu threatened the four Labor front-benchers to mobilise the Chinese diaspora living in Australia to vote against the Labour Party…..”
    
    Could we see the same thing happening here….if it hasn’t already?
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:56am
tom hunter

And on a different and happier note, it is almost exactly (to the hour on CST) 25 years since I got married. Even though it’s a fact it feels hard to believe.

And of course, unlike the age-old joke about the forgetful husband, I have no excuse for forgetting our wedding anniversary! 🙂
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September 12, 2018 8:13am
- krazykiwi
  
  A quarter century. Congrats to you both.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:19am
sooty

So parliment building is holely?
How did Clare get Derek Handley in?
Were they doing a Len Brown in the building?
Were they scrubbing Clares computor?
Are all af Clares gmail account been released, these private emails could cause embarssment?
Is there a by election soon?
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September 12, 2018 8:13am
flipper

0000000000000000000000000..
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September 12, 2018 8:13am
Stars And Stripes

There has been a lot of talk recently about Ardern and her special plane flight to Nauru and the questions this raises.
As a resident of Taranaki this whole issue has special significance for myself as the government recently decided to effectively over time wind up the oil and gas industry due to concern about it’s effect on climate change.
Ardern has said in various speech’s that “It’s my responsibility to lead on climate change” and that this issue is “My generations nuclear moment”.
That’s all very lofty and sounds really visionary but in reality how is Ardern going with these ideals?.
Well in one of her first tests she choose her family’s wellbeing(her baby) over any serious concern about climate change by taking a separate flight and burning through a shitload of excess CO2 in the process.
Family comes first as the saying goes right?,yeah fair enough but unfortunately Ardern does not seem to extend the same level of concern towards others families when it comes to the issue of climate change.
Does she not think that every oil and gas worker in Taranaki whose future livelihood she put in jeopardy by her decision to wind up the industry does not care about their families wellbeing as a first priority also?.
The answer is NO it seems, if you are an energy worker in Taranaki you should think of the greater good being climate change and screw your family but if you are Jacinda Ardern your family comes first and climate change needs to take a back seat as this is something others need to make sacrifices to help with but not myself as my baby comes first.
Sorry Jacinda but you are a terrible hypocrite and it would be really nice if you could put aside your showboating for while and spare a thought for other peoples kids as well as your own.
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September 12, 2018 8:17am
- cmm
  
  FYI That shitload of CO2 is approx 108 tonnes.
  That is approximate 66000 cubic metres of CO2.
  Enough to fill approx 26 olympic swimming pools.
  
  It’s going to take a bit more than driving home from the airport in an electric vehicle (powered by coal burning) than fix that!
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:27am
- VicParking
  
  She has promised that her, Clarke and Neve will drink 800,000 litres of almond milk to offset the planes carbon footprint. Lets do this
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Almonds are an ecological nightmare.
    No wonder Californians can’t manage their water resources….
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mallorypickett/2016/09/28/satellite-images-reveal-impact-of-almond-boom/#11436d814cd1
    
    No-one who really cared about the sustainable use of Earth’s resources would be swilling Almond milk.
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:08am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    If Neve was drinking almond milk there would have been no excuse for the flight, is it at all possible that Jacinda just didn’t want to be there for the whole thing?
    
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    September 12, 2018 12:24pm
- howitis
  
  This is why it underscores the real story- that the plane was to bring back country shopping rapefugees.
  In Ardern’s little bubble this would have been a tremendous win and worth the gamble.
  It was not about $80-100k of fuel nor CO2.
  
  ‘Success’ for this rescue mission would have made happy:-
  -Her inner circle
  -people smugglers everywhere
  -people smuggler supporters and there are many incl her idol Merkel
  -lots of left leaning university types
  -real filthy critters from the greens like Ghahraman, Davidson, Genter and co
  It was her popcorn moment to match or exceed Aunty Hulun’s Tampa country shoppers and make her mark to the bubble world.
  Ardern would have done a Chamberlain at Whenuapai when landing Wed evening standing on the steps of the plane.
  
  It was sticking it to the Australians and ScoMo was not there to stop it
  It was a hat tip to Bill Shorten whom she and her mates like Hipkins have gone to bat for in the recent past. Shorten is a people smuggler supporter.
  She knows she is one termer – even if someone else from the COL gets to lead later – so she will take on scorched earth policies now. You have been warned.
  From 1pm last Friday her days are numbered. She lied to her enablers – the media.
  
  “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
  Ardern could have easily had a wet nurse or used a milk bank for 2 to 3 days. to feed baybee.
  This is a blindingly obvious solution she and her minders would know of.
  Therefore, Eliminate this BS line.
  You are left with this:-
  Ardern was trying her own people smuggling using a NZ Airforce plane. No commercial airline would be affected. Land at Whenuapai. She has authority as PM over Air force personnel.
  She may have even watched ‘Raid on Entebbe’ on the way up.
  
  Ardern gambled and lost.
  Uncle Winston saved us from this mess and long term damage to Trans Tasman relations.
  Now Ardern’s win/loss ratio has reversed.
  She has gone from the All Blacks of politics to the Auckland Blues.
  She has to use the overseas lefty media like Guardian and NYT to do the puff pieces.
  She is on the ropes.
  After one year as PM and the UN visit…..
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:25am
Paulus

Are we being softened by Curren, and Cindy, saying that all her emails have not been revealed.
Could it be that it may be found that she is the conduit for the revelation of the travel figures of Bridges from the Speaker’s Office – not Mallard of course, to Tova O’Brian ?
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September 12, 2018 8:18am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Could be sorted very quickly: “Are you the source of the leak of Simon’s Expenses?” A number suspect Melissa Lee has the answer to that. I hope she does. Curran fits all the requirements of the person who could not be revealed…..
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:25am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Problem being that Curran is no longer a Minister so Melissa can’t ask her questions in the House.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:29am
    - VicParking
      
      Questions to members, but only at the speakers wimm.
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:55am
    - dime
      
      lol really? what a sweet job it is being a scumbag list backbencher eh!
      
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      September 12, 2018 10:19am
oldpark

Who would believe it. A Lie-bour Party MP called Greg O’Connor for the first time was caught telling the truth. He was referring to how “Commie Chic Comrade” Ardern had handled the dumping of Claire Curran. O’Connor said the Peters selected PM could have handled it better.
Suddenly he got a phone call from Ardern screaming like a “Bullying Banshee ” telling him to desist and virtually stop telling the truth about how Ardern handled the dumping of Claire Curran.
What happened next will long go down in folklore that how a red blooded Liebour MP representing his Party in Ohariu turned into a complete whimp.
Brought to mind a comment once used by Rob Muldoon about another wee cowardly MP. O’Connor became a “Shiver looking for a Spine to crawl up”.In the space of no more that 30 seconds he virtually fell on his knees with 8 mea culpas . “I was wrong”!I was wrong”!etc etc.Now there is a rumour out he is receiving counselling for telling the truth about the silly wee girl known as Commie Chic Comrade Ardern.
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September 12, 2018 8:19am
- VicParking
  
  See the picture of him wimping out why she laughs in the background
  The one I found has gone but I understand WO has posted it.
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:58am
  - kevn
    
    @Vic… Yep, a ripper screen shot. JA was certainly pumped about playing boss-gal to O’Connor. Rocking up on the balls of her feet. Oh yeh…
    He rolled over very compliantly on camera. Not his usual I would imagine. Can you see his cop pals giving him stick?
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:34am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Shane Jones next???
      NAH didn’t think so.
      
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      September 12, 2018 10:11am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        IIRC there was a fuss made a while ago because a National MP was caught playing Sudoku on his phone in the House.
        During Question Time, Shane Jones can clearly be seen behind SLG and Peters on his phone. Is he googling for answers , playing Candy Crush, or watching porn?
        
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        September 12, 2018 10:31am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Trying to switch it on . . . . .
        
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        September 12, 2018 1:47pm
flipper

Flipper received an email from a good UK friend (retired Oxford Don) overnight – including this little gem:

Climate change bullshit:
I’ve grown so tired/bored with the subject, so have largely given up on it for the time being at least. It’s become a kind of pandemic – a pandemic, that’s to say, of unconstrained gullibility on the part of the liberal governing class and, of course, they’re in a jam.

A couple of days ago an estimate was published of what had already been expended on this drivel. The figure given was well over £/$ one trillion, and all blown at the behest of these people. Small wonder that they are reluctant to countenance any deviation from the cultist paradigm!

However, there is hope:

1. Trump (albeit excruciatingly slow)
2. Australia has led the way with the departure of their pinko PM
3. The evidence still consistently contradicts the alarmist predications
4. Ordinary citizens are growing more and more sceptical
5. This is terrifying the charlatans and crooks in the msm and academia
6. Pinkos are on the run all over the place and not just in relation ot climate change, so called
7. The BBC has been subjected to fierce criticism by other reputable (well, more or less) organs of the Press
8. It plus its co-religionists in the Met Office etc are forever being shown up as inept being, for example, seemingly incapable of broadcasting facts that are not subsequently shown to be either false or deliberately inaccurate.
9. Paris is clearly a fetid corpse – apparent even to the pinko crooks and deviants who run the UN.

In short, I think the wheels are slowly coming off the wagon. Of course, being repeatedly shown up as incompetent and mendacious naturally makes the default tactic for them more appealing, namely insolence in preference to honest debate.
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September 12, 2018 8:23am
- Ross12
  
  Agree with your summary flipper.
  But unfortunately I think NZ is about 10years behind the times –Shaw’s Zero Carbon Act that is coming down the road (and Bridges offering bi-partisan support)
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:28am
  - Chris R
    
    National could really have exhibited itself as a Party with a genuine point of difference when it comes to the climate change frauds. But no! My take on man-made climate change is that it is little more than a frenzy much like during the 1950s every second person was seeing flying saucers full of little green men. The “science” of man-made climate change is equally dodgy and verging on non-existent.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:37am
  - flipper
    
    Actually my UK buddy’s summary.
    But you are quite correct on Shaw et al, including some National members and supporters……. the xyz fools!
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:40am
- Harkman
  
  “8. It plus its co-religionists in the Met Office etc are forever being shown up as inept being, for example, seemingly incapable of broadcasting facts that are not subsequently shown to be either false or deliberately inaccurate.”
  
  For 3 days in a row the Metservice forecast Chch overnight lows of 2, 1, 0 (°c) the actual lows were -3,-3,-3 (°c) then the next night they said 1 and it was -1. Bloody hopeless.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:13am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes I don’t know why they bother to have weather forecasts they are so often wrong.
    I look the Rain radar and even that is wrong if I base my plans on it.
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:20am
- DigNap15
  
  Sadly most of the media are still pushing the climate change band wagon.
  They always mention it as if its the truth, that sea levels are rising, and temps are warming.
  And that in the next xyz hears temps MAY rise by xyz cm. But they may not!
  We have had nearly 200 years of high industrialization and now million of cars and nothing has happened.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:24am
kowtow

The joys of modern higher education.

‘During a bizarre exchange on Twitter the LGBTQ group at Goldsmiths Student Union described life in the Gulags as “rehabilitatory” and “educational”.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/11/soviet-labour-camps-compassionate-educational-institutions-say/
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September 12, 2018 8:29am
- Jazzby
  
  Those flaky students ought to be made to read, as part of their studies, the book written by Anne Applebaum (cited in the article). Not too many things I read can make my stomach turn, but this one certainly did: graphic and horrific. If there ever was doubt that Stalin was a monster, this book should dispel it.
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:32am
kowtow

European politicians and ngos have blood on their hands.

The Aussies stopped the boats , Europe could too.

‘More than 100 people, including 20 children, died in early September when their rubber boats were wrecked off the coast of Libya, according to the aid agency Doctors Without Borders (known by the French initials MSF). ‘

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/100-drowned-shipwrecks-libya-early-september-180910182653392.html
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September 12, 2018 8:32am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Stop the people-smugglers and you stop the funding of criminals and the drownings at sea.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:00am
- DigNap15
  
  100 illegal immigrants drowned.
  The problem is that they keep rescuing the others and taking them back to Europe.
  They should be taking them back to Africa and pushing them off the boats.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Aussie just shoves them on a plane early in the morning and sends illegal folks home.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/11/sri-lankan-asylum-seekers-forcibly-deported-from-australia-despite-torture-risk
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:39am
- secondcumming
  
  It’s just a drop in the ocean……there’s millions more where they came from.
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:02am
Inandout

I have heard that an employee of a ‘charitable agency’ got a $5 an hour wage increase over 40 hours….yay, good news. But wait, he has learnt his work hours have been cut back to 26 hours a week. The living wage has now become the ‘livid wage’. Unintended consequences.
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September 12, 2018 8:37am
cas

I heard some woman on talkback in the wee small hours say about Cindy’s regrets that she had not learnt Maori well why hadn’t she. Woman said C was a middle aged woman who had had enough time to learn if she had wanted to.

i did a year’s course at Massey when under a lot of pressure at work. ( I have forgotten most of it). Cindy could have done the same over 9 years of neglect in opposition. In fact their time in Opposition was 9 years of neglect.
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September 12, 2018 8:37am
- namron
  
  I think Cindy should learn English first.
  Thinking of her having “conversations” with the Queen and other leaders around the world with her many English pronunciation problems makes me cringe.
  And now the UN and no doubt a few interviews on American TV!
  Forget the Maori, Cindy, get the English intelligible first.
  
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  September 12, 2018 12:00pm
rightoverlabour

Someone is offended.. Diddums

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-45487873

The Serena Cartoon
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September 12, 2018 8:38am
secondcumming

*Bumper Sticker* ……

DISLEXICS ARE TEOPLE POO
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September 12, 2018 8:49am
- Peter S
  
  It is easy to spot a dyslexic at a toga themed fancy dress party.
  They will be the one dressed as a goat.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:25am
- krazykiwi
  
  I saw one recently: “The voices told me to drive today”
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:41am
Inandout

Diversity?
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/autistic-pensioner-punched-and-kicked-by-handbag-thief-182850/

‘Police are hunting a mixed race man who is around 5ft 6 with black hair and a short beard. She said: “When she was walking home somebody tapped her on her back. They took her bag and hit her. She called him a b****** which is when he came back and punched her and kicked her’.
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September 12, 2018 8:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

A few days back someone was disputing murder rates and types of farm killings in South Africa..

57 people murdered daily (April 2017-March 2018)

Between April 2017 and March 2018, police recorded 62 murders during 58 attacks on farms in South Africa. Fifty-two victims of fatal attacks were the owners or occupiers, nine were farm workers and one was a farm manager. Forty-six of the murder victims were white.

Experts attribute the 17% rise in the murder rate over last five years – after a 55% drop over previous 17 years – to a range of factors including corruption in the police force, appointments to senior posts in law enforcement that prioritised loyalty to political leaders over competence, and a deteriorating economic environment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/11/south-africa-murders-surge-by-more-than-7-percent-in-a-year
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September 12, 2018 8:57am
- Harkman
  
  So the other night before going to bed I went to skip through the news channels. Starting at RT (92) and going down. On was ‘Boom Bust’ which used to be hosted by Lauren Lyster and was quite good. Any some Hawaiian or American Indian guy with fluffy white hair and a really good sun tan was reading the news and just as I went to change channel he said South Africa had fallen into recession for the first time in X years because a massive contraction in the Agricultural sector. Who would’ve seen this coming? I for one are completely surprised.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:22am
- MCos
  
  That 57/day is for the whole country. A staggering 20,000/year. That’s a rate at least twenty times worse than here. No wonder there are so many South Africans in Auckland.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:29am
DigNap15

Today Maori Vocab
The Word is
Decisive
Its not in my present printed Maori dictionary, Hopefully it will be in the one I have just bought on Trademe.
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September 12, 2018 9:13am
- G152
  
  I thought that the Maori word for the day was ‘benefit’ and associated with ‘unemployment’
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:53am
  - itstricky
    
    I thought that the Maori word for the day was ‘benefit’ and associated with ‘unemployment’
    
    I thought there were two words for today and they were ‘condescending’ and ‘prick’
    
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    September 12, 2018 10:56am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Three words
      ‘Racist condescending prick’
      
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      September 12, 2018 12:22pm
      - itstricky
        
        Four words, including the advanced topic of forming questions:
        
        ‘Ko wai e katakata?’
        
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        September 12, 2018 1:29pm
- itstricky
  
  niwha
  
  Today’s tip: https://www.learningmedia.co.nz/ngata/
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:55am
  - starboard
    
    go play on the road arsehole
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:41pm
    - itstricky
      
      Good to see that the cut ‘n’ thrust of insightful debate still exists.
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:48pm
MCos

However tetchy our parliament might be it’s nothing compared to the Australians.
The recently spurned Mr Dutton seems to be not taking his leadership defeat too well and the opposition are not missing the opportunity to have a go at him.
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-is-not-what-privilege-is-for-ex-border-force-boss-complains-to-speaker-20180911-p5035s.html?__twitter_impression=true

Looks like Bill Shorten will be PM there soon; until he gets rolled.
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September 12, 2018 9:16am
- Peter S
  
  Bill Shorten could be Bill Short-term?
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:27am
DigNap15

If people are serious about climate change the best way to stop it is to reduce the worlds population.
Institute a one child per woman policy in China, India, Brazil,, Indonesia, Uganda, Egypt and Nigeria And every Arab state. They are the countries with out of control birth rates and in countries with limited resources.
PS, we need a lot more good people here in NZ.
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September 12, 2018 9:27am
- MCos
  
  China has had a one child policy for years.
  Didn’t work.
  The reason it doesn’t work is that there’s nobody to provide for the older people in societies without a pension scheme.
  My sister in law in Thailand and her husband don’t have kids. So they can’t retire until they have enough put away to tide them over for the rest of their lives. She worries about it every day.
  Normally the kids would look after them one way or another either with money or they’d by living together and looking after the home & grandchildren while their kids are at work.
  Poorer people dread not having some kids for that reason.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:44am
  - DigNap15
    
    I know what you are saying, but breeding just for that reason is not good, especially in poor countries and especially when the world is using up all of its resources.
    It would work if it was enforced.
    
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    September 12, 2018 9:54am
    - MCos
      
      It was enforcing in China for many years
      
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      September 12, 2018 10:28am
  - KevOB
    
    Aren’t demographics beautiful. Who would have thought if people didn’t have children they woudn’t produce sufficient workers to effect the production required for their support when older?
    The govt can only pay out what comes from production. It’s not smart to borrow for pensions.
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:27pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Children are the riches of the poor.
    
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    September 12, 2018 2:32pm
- Komata
  
  Dignap
  
  Careful, you’re starting to sound like a green although THEIR rational is ‘to protect gaia…’
  
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  September 12, 2018 11:05am
DJ Ward

Great news. California has announced they will be 100% renewable energy buy 2045 and others are following with similar goals. Sony has committed to 100% renewables by 2040 and that’s a big task considering they are presently only 5%. Rooftop solar etc, being cheaper than on grid power company prices will seriously hurt resource exploiting and polluting practices.
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September 12, 2018 10:10am
- Komata
  
  DJ
  
  And the lobbiests are now (or will shortly be) in DC beggging for assistance from President Trump, since CA is financially bankrupt (just don’t expect the MSM to tell anyone that; it doesn’t fit the narrative).
  
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  September 12, 2018 11:01am
Manolo

The meddlesome UN threatens Italy via a socialist and failed Chilean former president:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-rights-italy/italy-bristles-after-un-rights-chief-criticizes-migrants-treatment-idUSKCN1LR0RG

Italy sharply criticized new U.N. human rights chief Michelle Bachelet on Tuesday after she announced she would send investigators to the country to check reports of racism and violence against migrants.

Hours after Bachelet made her inaugural speech in Geneva on Monday, Interior Minister Matteo Salvini, who heads the anti-immigrant League party, threatened to cut Italian funding for the United Nations.

On Tuesday, the foreign ministry issued a long statement describing Bachelet’s accusations as “inappropriate, unfounded, unjust”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/10/un-send-team-italy-scrutinise-plight-migrants-refugees-amid/
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September 12, 2018 10:43am
- krazykiwi
  
  I suggest Bachelet instead sends investigators to UN Human Rights Council members Burundi, Egypt, Rwanda, Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
  
  And have a few investigators on standby for when some of the first lot don’t return to file their reports.
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:03pm
ex-golfer

Surely this has to be the tweet of the year:
https://twitter.com/kimkardashi_un_/status/1039374975897980928

I think a billboard should be done.
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September 12, 2018 10:46am
Stars And Stripes

Education Review Office tells schools: teach more about porn
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12123599
“But their research shows that most porn depicts violence against women (94 per cent), physical aggression (88 per cent), spanking (75 per cent) and verbal abuse (49 per cent)”.

Whether this idea has merit or not you can decide for yourselves but one thing which did catch my eye was the statistics I enclose above from this report.
94% of porn depicts violence against women?.
Sorry I call total bullshit on that one as you must be using a very imaginative definition of violence to arrive at this figure.
Maybe passionate kissing and rubbing are classed as violence in the authors world?.
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September 12, 2018 10:58am
- DJ Ward
  
  How can a group of people who as individuals, most likely have never had sex with a man arise at 94%. Were they spending all their time in rape fantasy categories?
  
  Oh my! He stabbed her with that abnormally large erect object. He gave her instructions, how dare he do such a nasty thing. She was on top, that lazy bastard forcing her to do all the work.
  
  No figures for lesbian or gay porn?
  
  Will they teach boys about women and girls coercing them into sex with the intent of conception instead? 19 years as a Child Support (very little goes to kids, mummy and DPB support) slave is far more harmful than things women have to put up with.
  
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  September 12, 2018 2:18pm
Rich Prick

How on Earth did Little manage to spend $1.5m on a gob-fest in Porirua? There’s something quite whiffy about a $2,500 per head event.
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September 12, 2018 11:30am
- sooty
  
  What was he providing sex and drugs. Must be an Labour adults camp!
  
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  September 12, 2018 12:28pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  $833 per day per person
  Accommodation……………$300
  Food (3 meals)………………$200
  Travel (local)…………………$150
  What’s the rest for?….($183)
  Not all of them flew in, did they? That would be $549 return average per person, did they all come in from Sydney?
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:58pm
- cmm
  
  Maybe half of that was to hire the taniwha for the day.
  
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  September 12, 2018 4:58pm
howitis

Megan Woods must have been at the tuckshop when they were teaching arithmetic.

She says on AM show this morn that she was probably at Primary school when the Max Bradford electricity reforms were being done (1997).
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/wait-and-see-what-government-will-do-about-power-costs-megan-woods.html
at 3min 51sec

This was 21 years ago
Woods, per Wikipedia, was born on 4 Nov 1973 and is 44 years old
Deduct 21 years from 44yrs and one has 23 years old
Either Woods is a) completely incompetent at arithmetic (common for COL Minister) or b) she was at primary school for a very long time – perhaps longer than Matt Rata. or c) she cannot stop lying.

The COL cannot tell the truth on the most simple matters.
Will history regard them as ‘the pants on fire’ Govt of the late 20 Tens?
Perhaps the Hon Dr Woods with a degree in history – can tell us…then again maybe not. ‘
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September 12, 2018 11:40am
- itstricky
  
  They don’t discuss the exact year – they say “1990’s” and she says “Ha ha I think I was probably at primary school ha ha”
  
  She’s joking around with a guy who has just asked her about an entire decade that started 28 years ago. Joking about age and memory.
  
  Duncan Garner is the same age, and follows her joke with “so was I probably; I was there; sadly”. Are you going to be accusing him of being a liar as well?
  
  That’s really clutching at straws to say “she’s deliberately lying”.
  
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  September 12, 2018 12:43pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    17-27 and still at primary school…slow learner
    it shows.
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:52pm
  - howitis
    
    Therein lies part of the issue.
    They (media whores)are quoting 78-80% rise in power prices then use different starting points such as 1990, since Bradford reforms(circa 1997), and 2000.
    Media whores don’t understand numbers (as they demonstrated in their biased reporting in August & September 2017) as well but that is a whole other story.
    Inflation was Avg 2.4 % pa during the 1990s so there is quite a bit of scope to play with numbers.
    https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/monetary-policy/inflation%5D
    
    You refer to a joke.
    Yes The Hon Dr Megan ‘pies’ Woods is a joke as is her COL – just not a funny one for taxpayers and those who want to get on with life diligently.
    
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    September 12, 2018 3:17pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    I’ll help you dipstick. The (Max) Bradford electricity reforms were 1997 to 1998. This was repeated on Red Radio also. However, talk of the Bradform reforms was a red herring, because the report explicity states that electricity inflation to the household has increased 79% from 1990. So Woods saying she was at Primary School in the 2990s is a stretch.
    
    As for the report itself, I would hate to know how much those 88 pages cost the taxpayer. It reads like a synopsis/briefing paper to a minister that knows nothing about her subject matter. There is no conclusions except to say there will be a phase 2 report (now where have I heard that before this year).
    
    So, what was the point to the report other than to tell me what I a taxpayer and household electricity consumer already knew?
    
    If this an example of the reports we can expect from the CoLs working groups, enquiries and other committees, what a colossal waste of money. Because CoL ministers will be no better informed after reading such reports than they were on 6th October 2017.
    
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    September 12, 2018 5:04pm
  - itstricky
    
    And before you accuse me of abusing her
    
    Why would I need to do that? Keeping Stock will be here any second to do it.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:51pm
artemisia

Big article in Stuff today about phosphate imports to NZ from disputed territory in Western Sahara. The conditions there – terrible – are covered in depth.

Not a dickie bird about the Chatham Rise phosphate in our own backyard that has not so far been able to get past the anti-any-mining brigade, even though it is ethical, low cadmium and far less leachate into our waterways. Did I mention in our own backyard?

The writer, Charlie Mitchell, does look like a new grad, so could be forgiven a bit of virtue signalling until he grows up. I suppose. If he’s not a newbie, no excuse.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/105947470/precious-rock-new-zealand-is-accused-of-stealing-from-the-sahara
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September 12, 2018 11:49am
- DJ Ward
  
  Watched a programme on Western Sahara the other day. An example that seemed to bypass modern international law. What was the last nation annexed after a illegal foreign invasion? A: Western Sahara. The invaders have built a gigantic fortified wall the length of the country, banished all the locals into an area like Isreal has with Palestinians. Reporting is illegal, political prisoners etc etc. Meanwhile the resources are being exploited for the benifit of western nations that turned a blind eye to the invasion.
  Kuwait vs Western Sahara. Guess the US president didn’t own anything to care.
  
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  September 12, 2018 12:12pm
Local Miller

Cindy is just virtue signaling on caring about the planet. A few weekends ago a work colleague was behind her at a toy shop when she bought a toy for the royal bub. At the end of the transaction she asks… “Do you have a bag?” Then turns it down when they tell her the bags are 10c each.

So she makes a captain’s call to ban single use plastic bags, but wants one for her single item purchase.
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September 12, 2018 11:55am
- sam green
  
  Bullshit.
  
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  September 12, 2018 3:50pm
  - Duxton
    
    How do you know, dickhead?
    
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    September 12, 2018 6:53pm
    - sam green
      
      How do you?
      
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- sam green
  
  What a cock you are. Grow up.
  
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  September 12, 2018 11:04pm
DigNap15

World leaders I admire
The Italian guy who is telling the UN to go and get f..d (see above)
The President of Hungary who is telling the EU to f off.
President Trump who is cranking up the sanctions on North Korea (we are helping to enforce them)
Duterte of the Philipines who told the UN Hunan right commissoner to stay out of the Philipines.
The military leaders of Myanmar who helped the muslim Rohingas leave their Budhist country
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September 12, 2018 12:05pm
- Paulus
  
  I still do not know what f… off is in Maori.
  As it is Maori Week I would like to know for the next Maori week due shortly.
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:55pm
sooty

The UN for telling Helen to take a hike!
Princess Cindy of NZ who told them to go take a hike and refused to take her babyeee.
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September 12, 2018 12:25pm
igm

Top marks to Hamilton McDonalds for not allowing a staff member to insult paying customers by using Tea Reeo.
If I am paying for a service, I expect to be addressed in English, even if it is a little hard to understand, but not some stone age mumbo jumbo no other nation in the world has ever heard of.
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September 12, 2018 12:45pm
- itstricky
  
  Tough luck igm:
  
  McDonald’s New Zealand said there seemed to be a misunderstanding because it didn’t receive any complaints from customers regarding Eru-Taueki.
  
  It says the situation had raised an issues with their te reo policy.
  
  They would speak to Eru-Taueki and look to build policies supporting Māori Language Week activities.
  
  I know it’s really hard on you. I feel your pain. Such pain. It must hurt so.
  
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  September 12, 2018 12:48pm
  - igm
    
    If that be the case, I will go elsewhere, getting civil service I am paying for, not listening to some imbecile waffling incoherent torrents of crap.
    As I said on this blog yesterday, I once had an employee who started answering the phone with kee orroa. I told her either “Good Morning”, “Hello”, don’t answer the outside line, or resign. After a heated discussion, she resigned (I got it in writing), saving me redundancy and making the other staff happy.
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:01pm
    - itstricky
      
      listening to some imbecile waffling incoherent torrents of crap
      
      Have you ever actually been to a shop and been forced to listen to ‘torrents of crap’ or is this just a hypothetical?
      
      After a heated discussion, she resigned
      
      I would too, if I ever found a boss as petty as that. Do you time your staff’s urinal stops as well?
      
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      September 12, 2018 1:09pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes I’d complain to the manager and then walk out!
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:22pm
  - sam green
    
    see ya!
    
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    September 12, 2018 3:52pm
- Longknives
  
  I see the ‘Te Reo’ speaker is claiming that Customers often place their order in Maori!
  
  Is there really a Maori word for a Big Mac and fries?
  Cheeseburger combo??
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:23pm
  - itstricky
    
    Is there really a Maori word for a Big Mac and fries?
    
    Do we really have to go into the origin of the English words ‘hamburger’ and ‘fries’? I’ll give you a clue for one of them. I sort of sounds like a city. A famous city. A famous city not in England, but not that far away.
    
    Or do you just like laughing at one language that borrows its words from others?
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:33pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Middle English: from Old French frire, from Latin frigere.
    
    There fixed!
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:58pm
  - Duxton
    
    Täke äwae
    
    It covers any food bought from a takeaway joint (sorry, I mean pataka täke äwae).
    
    You’re welcome.
    
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    September 12, 2018 2:15pm
  - starboard
    
    “Is there really a Maori word for a Big Mac and fries?”
    
    Yeah..”this is a stick up..give us all ya dosh and throw in a big mac and a large fries”
    
    “Et teah eh ha, tin of coffee, ngai tata phoo eh man “
    
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    September 12, 2018 10:32pm
- KevOB
  
  Maori may be a lawful language but it is not compulsory. To speak it to someone who doesn’t understand it is rude and confrontational.
  
  Some years back we had the “kia ora” period: note how that has been dropped. Although, per the current commierulz climate, it turned up on the admin page of my WordPress site this am.
  
  When computers start greeting you they have gone crazy. Have you killed a computer today?
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:40pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    How about banking in Maori at an atm?
    
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    September 12, 2018 4:28pm
- starboard
  
  A maori working?!
  I simply dont believe you, igm.
  Probably flogging from the till.
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:45pm
  - igm
    
    That particular business was invoiced and there was no cash per se’.
    
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    September 12, 2018 2:42pm
  - sam green
    
    Kiwiblog – or should we say David Farrar- fomenting happy bigotry and racism since – wayyyy back.
    
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    September 12, 2018 11:08pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  My father was Dutch
  He would get VERY angry with people who would speak Dutch to him, in front of people who didn’t speak Dutch.
  It’s rude and more than a little self indulgent.
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:45pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Rudeness, self-indulgence and virtue-signalling appear to be the main reason for speaking Te Reo in public.
    
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    September 12, 2018 2:35pm
    - KevOB
      
      Today at QT Marama Davidson asked a long question to Kelvin Davis. The whole Q and A was in Maori or sort of and was translated into sign language. Puketifinau what’s going on in Parliament. Cindy only repeats scripts ad nauseam.
      
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      September 12, 2018 7:03pm
noskire

I think yesterday’s Question Time was Simon Bridges’ best so far. He’s learning quickly, and his line of questioning is starting to expose Ardern as the duplicitous, inept and aloof person that she really is.
Close to a year ago she was almost universally portrayed in the media with a saint-like fervour.
But within the last month or so, the mainstream media have really begun to question her ability.
It’s not unreasonable to suggest that she is now Labour’s, and the CoL’s, weakest link.
I’m getting the feeling that National see this too. The gloves are off and they’re going into full-on attack.
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September 12, 2018 12:52pm
- DJ Ward
  
  She should have just said “A person in my staff made a bad decision, editing the transcript with the intent of improving grammar. The staff member has been spoken to over this issue.” Pass responsibility on to a patsy. Act in control of the situation.
  
  For a person who did a politics degree, she must have been asleep in class when the Clark regime was being taught.
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:09pm
  - KevOB
    
    Cindy was not to be seen to be wrong.
    The more she explained the less truthful it felt.
    
    Keep it up Simon: Cindy’s real weakness is inflexibility. She only works to script.
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:44pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    She was in the office.
    
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    September 12, 2018 4:25pm
- DigNap15
  
  Any links?
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:23pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1809/S00145/parliament-questions-and-answers-september-11.htm
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:27pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Curran tended her resignation?
      Did she tend her resignation tenderly?
      
      When is English language week?
      
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      September 12, 2018 1:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Good spotting..
        It’s not been corrected in Hansard (yet).
        https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20180911_20180911
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:05pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Dodgy referee, he was in full defence
  
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  September 12, 2018 7:05pm
RF

FFS. “Stardust & Substance.”

A new book reveals how Ardern led Labour into Govt.

Another bloody book.

Lots of I I I & Me Me Me

I hope Mike Bush has approved it.
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September 12, 2018 1:04pm
- Longknives
  
  Angel Dust and Substance??
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s a few other chapters (37)… it’s not all about Jacinda
  
  http://vup.victoria.ac.nz/stardust-and-substance-the-new-zealand-general-election-of-2017/
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:30pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Its on the front page of the Horrid!
  Bloody hell. rewriting history already.
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:33pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  better title: “empty headed superficial voters; a story of the 2017 NZ election”
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:43pm
- waldonz
  
  Anyone would think that she has nothing better to do, like run a country…….
  
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  September 12, 2018 2:55pm
- VicParking
  
  Well timed publication. By Xmas it will be in the$2 box. Presents for all the Labour supporters I don’t like.
  
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  September 12, 2018 3:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Q 10 in the House today:

Hon PAULA BENNETT to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her statements and actions?
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September 12, 2018 1:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I think that’s called ‘baiting the trap’
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:20pm
DigNap15

Let Melissa Lee loose on her!
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September 12, 2018 1:22pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  How about picking a day, where EVERY question is aimed at her and only her.
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:49pm
  - Longknives
    
    Doesn’t she ‘Work from Home’ most days though??
    
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    September 12, 2018 1:50pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/hamilton-mcdonald-s-worker-ordered-stop-speaking-te-reo-customers

Learning Maori really set this chick up with valuable skills. Perhaps a little more effort on other subjects would have improved her prospects.
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September 12, 2018 2:06pm
- dave_c_
  
  Chances were that these te-reo customers could not understand a word she was saying!
  
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  September 12, 2018 3:20pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Is honkey a Maori word?
    
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    September 12, 2018 4:18pm
    - KevOB
      
      It’s derogatory and I think it came via the USA blacks.
      
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      September 12, 2018 7:21pm
- MCos
  
  Her first language is Maori so technically she learned English.
  
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  September 12, 2018 5:32pm
Gravelroad

Lengthy discussion in Māori going on at PQT between Marama Davidson and Kelvin. With Shaney boy now putting his oar in.
Other half here says “hope they are talking more sense in Māori than they do in English”.
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September 12, 2018 2:47pm
- wiseowl
  
  It’s actually an insult to all New Zealanders.
  
  It is why only one language should be used in Parliament. So all can understand.
  
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  September 12, 2018 4:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Translation probably won’t be available for 24hours either.
    
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    September 12, 2018 4:38pm
  - KevOB
    
    Was the verbal farce/fracas translated into sign language?
    
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    September 12, 2018 7:18pm
starboard

**MAORI VIOLENCE WEEK**
Case 145

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106969901/woman-miscarries-after-abusive-partner-punches-her-in-stomach-15-times

Case 146
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107021123/wilson-siblings-admit-damage-at-wilson-parking-building-in-christchurch
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September 12, 2018 2:59pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Careful Starboard – Itstricky might give you a jolly good telling off for reporting the news!
  
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  September 12, 2018 3:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Nostradamus , careful for not continuing to being a bigot and being ignorant of the news.
    
    Shall we add say Clayton Weatherston?
    
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    September 12, 2018 3:53pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      I don’t believe I’ve ever been called a “bigot” before in my life (there’s always a first time). And I mix in circles where “being ignorant of the news” isn’t really conducive to a quality discussion.
      
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      September 12, 2018 4:01pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “quality discussion..”??
        
        Your joking!
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:09pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        Your [sic] joking!
        
        I don’t think you’d mix well in my circles. We don’t have a seat at the table for perverts. And we definitely don’t have a seat for dickheads like you who say “yap yap” and “evidence and links” without contributing anything useful to the discussion.
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:13pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus, I refuse to take you seriously with the obnoxious and degrading abuse ( and doxing ) you’ve dished out to me!
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:19pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        I refuse to take you seriously with the obnoxious and degrading abuse ( and doxing ) you’ve dished out to me!
        
        And I should care about your opinion because…?
        
        Oh – and what about the “obnoxious and degrading abuse” that you’ve dished out to other Kiwiblog commenters – like Maggy? You’re a hypocrite.
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Riiiight
        So Stephie butts into a conversation, calls someone ‘a bigot and obnoxious’ and then complains when he get abused back!
        
        Here’s a radical idea Stephie. Maybe if you stop doing it all day everyday when you comment on others comments you won’t get it back…
        Is that reasonable?
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:36pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Nostradamus
        Entertaining as it might be to torment sad, pathetic stephieboy, are you convinced that your repeated doxxing of him is warranted? Not to mention that his comments seem to anger you in a way that many much more vile abuse does not.
        Did he say somethng particularly nasty about you personally?
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:46pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mike:
        
        Stephieboy isn’t the only Kiwiblog commenter who behaves badly, but he’s up there with the worst of them, in my view, because of his obnoxious commenting style.
        
        Take his comment to AgentBallSack yesterday. ABS announced that he’s leaving Kiwiblog for good. And then:
        
        ABS, soooo… sad,sad. Now, where is my theatrical tears kit?
        Sniffle, sniffle…Oink, Oink…!
        
        Stephieboy (and Griff) have abused and arguably defamed Maggy, who comments under her own name.
        
        If Stephieboy moderates his commenting style, which he really should do if he wants to be accepted here, then I’ll be the first to reciprocate.
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:52pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Nostradamus
        I am just interested in why you concentrate your attention on stephieboy alone, and don’t worry about other commenters – at least not to the point or repeated doxxing.
        As I’ve said before, stephieboy is an easy target due to his general ineptness. The easier thing to do might be to ignore him, instead of placing him on some pedestal where some people pretend his taunts are uniquely awful in the Kiwiblog sewer.
        
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        September 12, 2018 5:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Abusing Maggy? Bollix !
        
        With” perv”, goat shagger, C… etc, etc ?
        
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        September 12, 2018 5:43pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        Abusing Maggy? Bollix
        
        Perhaps I’ll leave it to Maggy to respond to your denial. If she doesn’t, I’ll try and locate a previous comment of hers, where she lays it all out in detail, later.
        
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        September 12, 2018 6:16pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      No that was the doctors who gave him the wrong medication. After his arrest they went oops, and changed his meds. Then came the cover up, and misinformation. He went to get help and they made things far worse. Similar to the Livingstone case. Not sure the doctor was European or even male.
      
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      September 12, 2018 4:08pm
  - itstricky
    
    Itstricky might give you a jolly good telling off for reporting the news!
    
    Not sure I’ve ever done that.
    
    I certainly have posted non-Maori crime news in the past.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  starboard, a timely reminder about the many honkeys still doing the longest time in our lags,
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12121196
  
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  September 12, 2018 3:51pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Did you even bother to read the article?
    
    Go back and read it again (try the full article, not just the headline) and count how many of the 10 listed are (using your word) honkeys.
    
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    September 12, 2018 3:57pm
    - stephieboy
      
      ex-golfer ,
      
      Honkeys Alfred Thomas Vincent,Roberto Conchie Harris,John Douglas Bennett, Gary Lawrence McKinley.
      
      Three are unnamed for some reason.
      
      A closer look at their crimes is not pretty at all
      
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      September 12, 2018 4:11pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        Three are unnamed for some reason.
        
        No, not three people, but number 3 on the list of 10 people.
        
        Another example of why you’re Kiwiblog’s dumbest commenter!
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:15pm
      - Longknives
        
        That’s a bit unfair Nostradamus!
        ‘He was not perving- He was merely stating the obvious!’
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:17pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        Three are un-named?
        Interesting…….in the article I read, one is un-named.
        
        SNAP: Nostradamus
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus, irrelevant! Merely pointing out that pakeha are just as likely to commit similar crimes as the Herald article suggests of which Clayton Weatherston is an additional reminder.
        
        Starboards favourite pastime seems to be pointing the finger at Maori as regards crime as though it was purely Maori thing.
        
        Of course, it’s not true!
        
        Agreed!
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:28pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        pakeha are just as likely to commit similar crimes as the Herald article suggests
        
        Here’s a research project for you:
        
        Māori make up 16 percent of the overall population, but represent 51 percent of prisoners – and for women that increases to two-thirds of prisoners.
        
        The statistics are well-documented.
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:37pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I find honkey to be an offensive term.
    
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    September 12, 2018 4:00pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Rachel Membery , I can assume nigger, coon, nig nog , rag, towel head too?
      
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      September 12, 2018 4:13pm
    - Longknives
      
      I don’t usually report but if I used the ‘N’ word there would be about a dozen shrieking their outrage and reporting me…
      
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      September 12, 2018 4:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        A commenter using the term “nigger” got lots of upticks just two days ago. No sanction, either, just DPF tossing that part of the GD thread down the memory hole.
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:40pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mike:
        
        DPF recently said (and you probably saw it) that his new approach will be to delete offensive comments and, perhaps by exception, issue strikes.
        
        As I understand it, comments can disappear for 2 reasons. One is where 5 people “report” a comment, in which case the comment is removed from the thread and goes into moderation. I’ve seen cases (Hugh) where the comment disappears and is reinstated later, presumably after DPF clears his moderation inbox. The other is where DPF simply deletes it.
        
        I preferred the old way when DPF did things manually, but I understand that running Kiwiblog consumes a lot of his time, and he does a great job.
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:43pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks for the explanation. I can understand that it saves labour, but of course it then gives carte blanche for scumbags like skyblue who like calling Maori niggers.
        Also, short of time as he is, he might want to update his comments policy to reflect the new leniency. Did he also change his policy to accomodate your frequent doxxing?
        
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        September 12, 2018 4:50pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    From Stephieboy’s link:
    
    1 Alfred Thomas Vincent
    2 Denis Richard Luke
    3 Inmate name suppressed
    4 Andrew Peter McGlynn
    5 Dean Hugh Te Kahu William Wickliffe
    6 Roberto Conchie Harris
    7 John Douglas Bennett
    8 Phillip Laurence Tipene
    9 Peter Joseph Holdem
    10 Gary Lawrence McKinley
    
    I’m trying to think of a reason why an inmate’s name would be suppressed. Does anyone know?
    
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    September 12, 2018 4:04pm
    - Longknives
      
      Nostradamus
      The only one I know of is a former sportsperson whose name is permanently suppressed (supposedly to ‘Protect the Victim’) but I’m not sure he would make this ‘longest ever’ list..
      
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      September 12, 2018 4:11pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    The ethnicity of the people your article refers to is not mentioned. You are making assumptions that you are in no position to make accurately.
    
    This is no different to that fool Twyford deciding who’s buying houses with ‘Chinese sounding names’
    
    TWe all know that crime is committed by all ethnicities, but if you are trying to claim that crime statistics are distributed evenly across ethnicities you are soaring new heights in the idiot stakes.
    
    You need to be much more accurate with your whataboutisms.
    
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    September 12, 2018 5:19pm
ex-golfer

Another complete clusterfuck by the Government today.

They call for urgency in the House and then no Minister bothers to turn up to take a call – so Mallard is forced to adjourn the House until question time.

Twyford was there – but didn’t get to his feet.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20180911_125100000/mallard-trevor

Will Hipkins pay the price for incompetence? Will Ardern be giving him a stern telling off?
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September 12, 2018 3:31pm
- Brigitte
  
  Think it follows on from the questions to members yesterday that the duck cut short.
  
  Maybe they stuffed up scheduling a select committee meeting, popped in debate under urgency (which would presumably allow them to cancel said SC meeting), and then canned it (as they didn’t want it in the first place).
  
  If I’m wrong on this, I’d appreciate someone with knowledge advising on what really happened.
  
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  September 12, 2018 4:20pm
- rangitoto
  
  I’m sure she will wag her finger at Mr Hipkins.
  
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  September 12, 2018 4:50pm
ex-golfer

Wow – some brutal honesty from Hipkins (as he throws Curran further under the bus):

8. Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) to the Minister of State Services: Has the process for appointing the Government’s Chief Technology Officer been consistent with the commitment “to be the most open, most transparent Government that New Zealand has ever had”?

Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of State Services): No.
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September 12, 2018 3:46pm
- Nostradamus
  
  A possible CTO appointment was identified in mid-June – before the political potato became overcooked:
  
  National MP Melissa Lee appeared to reference speculation at the meeting that Internal Affairs chief executive and government chief digital officer Colin MacDonald might move into the role after he steps down from the department at the end of September.
  
  MacDonald said he hadn’t been thinking about it.
  
  “At this stage, I haven’t made any firm decisions on what or where my next move will be. I’m taking a short break and then I do intend to work in different ways to support the public service and government, focussing on particular areas of interest like governance, helping to progress the digital agenda, and coaching and mentoring,” he said.
  
  It’s possible that Colin has been “encouraged” to apply for the role…
  
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  September 12, 2018 3:57pm
Rachael Membery

I can’t find the link but should it be precedent setting that a criminal be able to access his Kiwisaver funds to repay the employer that he ripped off and which meant that he was no longer imprisoned?

It seemed an odd thing to be accepted, but since it has been, should Kiwisaver be used like any other savings, and are savings often used as a get out of jail free card? I think that the perpetrator still got a community based sentence.
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September 12, 2018 3:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Was it this article from Yesterday?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106978417/kiwi-saver-third-fraudster-in-a-fortnight-offers-kiwisaver-as-bargaining-chip
  
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  September 12, 2018 4:42pm
  - sooty
    
    Would he be using the employers contributions?
    
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    September 12, 2018 5:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

2 Charges dropped from the Labour Camp abuse case
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107027711/two-charges-dropped-against-man-accused-of-sexual-assaults-at-labour-party-summer-camp
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September 12, 2018 4:25pm
- nasska
  
  Obviously the union thugs have stood over one of the kids. Probably the bash but possibly they convinced the victim that they’d burn down the parent’s house or throw acid at a sibling.
  
  Low life scum.
  
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  September 12, 2018 4:35pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There could be many reasons why two of the six charges were dropped, nasska. Your interpretation seem slightly extreme to me.
    
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    September 12, 2018 4:42pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Your interpretation seem slightly extreme to me.”…..
      
      But you probably lack the life experience compulsory membership of the Northern Drivers Union entailed.
      
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      September 12, 2018 4:51pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes. But please tell me about the time the drivers union delegates threatened acid attacks on children, and how you responded.
        
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        September 12, 2018 5:06pm
- Longknives
  
  If there is one thing the Left are very good at (and do way better than the Political Right), it’s making ‘problems’ disappear…
  I don’t think anyone will have threatened the Victim’s with violence- Probably more likely a frowny face and a wee chat, something like ‘I’m very sad and fustrated that all this is happening little Comrade..’
  
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  September 12, 2018 4:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Court case isn’t until March 18th…. over 1 year from the alleged sexual assaults.
    What a thing to be hanging over your head for such a period.
    
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    September 12, 2018 4:52pm
    - Duxton
      
      I Wood tend to agree.
      
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      September 12, 2018 7:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, not uncommon. Offences of this kind don’tsemm to get the same priority as, violent rape, assault, homicides, robberies etc.
      
      BTW, I can safely say no conspiracy there!
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=10923309
      
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      September 12, 2018 7:21pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        How does linking to an article from 2011 allow you to safely say there has or has not been a conspiracy?
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:18pm
  - MCos
    
    ‘Probably more likely a frowny face and a wee chat’
    
    I could image a few parish priests might have used those tactics
    
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    September 12, 2018 5:01pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hopefully this was to remove some of the clutter in order to make the other four charges stick, and I hope there are still four victims in the frame.
  And does anyone know why Megan Woods was the first MP to know what was going on?
  
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  September 12, 2018 4:51pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’d not before seen anyone wishing there were more crime victims. What a charming person you are. Would you also be happier if there were more homicides?
    
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    September 12, 2018 5:04pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Maybe I didn’t phrase it to milky’s satisfaction.
      To clarify, I’d like to think that all four victims will have the charges stick and that we’re not seeing two of them not get justice.
      
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      September 12, 2018 5:18pm
    - Duxton
      
      Clearly not, milky.
      
      For my part, I just want every pervert who indulges in this sort of behaviour to get put away.
      
      But then, I was molested by a leftie teacher at primary school (the father of one of a male television sports presenter, BTW), so perhaps I’m biased.
      
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      September 12, 2018 7:23pm
  - sooty
    
    It would be nice for Labour to have delayed this till next year and come back to court in the middle of an election.
    
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    September 12, 2018 5:07pm
noskire

From Chris Lynch’s Twitter feed – Did you know Christchurch city has a ‘thinker in residence’? A Council funded foundation and KPNG has paid for a “thinker in residence” from Tel Aviv to come to Christchurch to create a “new narrative” for the city.
Good grief.
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September 12, 2018 5:01pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  It’s a tough job, but someone has to do it.
  
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  September 12, 2018 5:03pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    And get paid well, I imagine. What does someone from Tel Aviv add to Christchurch. Wouldn’t asking the residents of Christchurch be more useful?
    
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    September 12, 2018 7:33pm
    - sooty
      
      Christchurch deserves one. On second thoughts, they should have a hundred!
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:47pm
- KevOB
  
  Is it to explain where all the buildings have gone and who else but a remnant of latte lovers is going to restore an empty city?
  
  What developer of sound mind would invest in Christchurch?
  
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  September 12, 2018 7:09pm
  - RF
    
    Christchurch is stuffed…..
    
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    September 12, 2018 7:45pm
DJ Ward

So no male assaults female charge then?

So how exactly did these two women have children, each? Two males got shafted is my guess. At our expense with the DPB. Hope the guys hoped on a plane, exited NZ and did the right thing by not surrendering to the theft of their wages.

Will they be dropping the kids off at dads house since if she was a man, she would be unfit to be a custodial parent?

Why is a violent person doing stuff at a school?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106984344/woman-whacked-partner-with-piece-of-wood-10-times-during-fight-over-cigarettes
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September 12, 2018 5:09pm
ex-golfer

The Minister for Shouting and Pies could not guarantee that electricity prices will not rise more in the next three years than they have in the last.
Another useless and costly report that will achieve nothing.

Similar to when she got BP into her office for a “please explain”. That achieved sweet fuck-all too.

PS: She really needs to learn to take a breath when speaking/shouting – she may end up like Mr Creosote.
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September 12, 2018 5:19pm
- RF
  
  The old chook is a sick unit. They called old hens past their use by date – old broiler.
  
  She should really visit Jenny Craig. Just saying.
  
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  September 12, 2018 6:13pm
- Longknives
  
  ‘And finally Minister – A wafer thin mint?’
  
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  September 12, 2018 6:16pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Better get a bucket
  
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  September 12, 2018 6:47pm
noskire

Great speech from Gerry Brownlee in The House today: https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=202605
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September 12, 2018 5:32pm
DigNap15

In German the AFD is rising in the polls again.

“Muslim immigration is the root of all our problems”

I have always said the Merkel should be tried fot treason!
Actually she should be shot now or assasinated!
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September 12, 2018 7:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15, echoes of Germany in the 1930s!
  
  e.g,
  
  https://voxeu.org/article/how-nazi-schooling-amplified-anti-semitism
  
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  September 12, 2018 7:14pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Stephieboy…..
    
    This⬇️
    
    https://goo.gl/images/d1YNbA
    
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    September 12, 2018 7:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO,
      
      from your link,
      
      Niggers Jews = Bad News
      
      Your vileness and evil have no bounds. A vileness and evil that seems to be uncritically accepted by many of your fellow KB posters.
      
      Wonder why?
      
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      September 12, 2018 7:26pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        A vileness that seems to be uncritically accepted by many of your fellow KB posters.
        
        It’s generally considered poor form to smear a broad Kiwiblog audience in this way. If you have a point to make regarding what EAD has said, or something that EAD has linked to, then why not take it up with him and leave others out of it?
        
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        September 12, 2018 7:30pm
      - nasska
        
        Stephieboy is fortunate that neither of us belong to the snowflake generation Nostra.
        
        If I did I’d probably have my feelings hurt by his suggestion that I’m vile & evil. 🙂
        
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        September 12, 2018 7:36pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus, pathetic debating skills.I stated ” many. “Not all!
        
        The facts remain I have noticed EAD TWO can put up the vilest of posts without challenges from the likes of you.
        
        Wonder why?
        
        Now, what do you think of,
        
        “Niggers Jews = Bad News”
        
        ???
        
        Or the post he linked to?
        
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        September 12, 2018 7:37pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I can’t wait to tell my friends that an authoritative source (Stephieboy) has declared that I’m vile and evil. The laughter will echo around the table before we decide who’s turn it is to buy the next round!
        
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        September 12, 2018 7:38pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        pathetic debating skills.I stated ” many. “Not all!
        
        And I stated “a broad Kiwiblog audience” – which means a subset of everyone who reads Kiwiblog.
        
        As you were saying… pathetic debating skills?
        
        Well, if your “BRIAN” architecture has better hard-wiring than mine, then sure. But I prefer my “BRAIN” architecture if that’s ok with you.
        
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        September 12, 2018 7:40pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nasska, where did I precisely state Nostradamus was vile?
        
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        September 12, 2018 7:42pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Actually Stephiegoy,
        
        The link I posted was to how the so called “holocaust” is used as the acme of all evil and as a tool to:
        – extract an endless stream of funds
        – guilt trip whites into believing they are inherently evil and can only atone by giving up their homelands in the name of “combating racism”
        – justify endless wars of expansion and aggression against Israel’s neighbours
        – stop dead in its tracks any legitimate criticism of Jewish behaviour
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/germany-agrees-to-88-million-more-for-holocaust-survivors/
        
        Stop hoaxin and diverting attention to strawmen.
        
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        September 12, 2018 7:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD TWO, let me say that the link to your obnoxious cartoon/ illustration comes from a webasite that boldly displays top left-hand corner,
        
        “Niggers Jews = Bad News”
        
        It I think it gives the flavour of it all and I can’t see you ever dissenting from that fact!
        
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        September 12, 2018 10:04pm
  - DigNap15
    
    No just common sense.
    Its just the far left that call them alt right! inferring some sort of Nazi revival.
    
    The message for the centre and the left is to stop muslim and African immigration to Europe and send as many back as possible.
    
    Before the right does get stronger!
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:25pm
    - stephieboy
      
      As was the case in 1930s Germany.
      
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      September 12, 2018 10:05pm
      - rangitoto
        
        If you look it up you will find that was a far left socialist party.
        
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        September 12, 2018 10:43pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Oi, I have to take you to task on your comment. (as the resident expert on Assination Comments). You create the impression that “be shot” and “assassinate” are presumably two different things, because of the poor use of the word “or” as a conjunction. If we are going to be suggesting the untimely end of a politician on this blog, it is important that we at least use correct grammar. So, a more prudent statement could be “actually she should be assassinated by being shot”, or quite simply, “She should be shot.” Adding “or assassinated” is a bit tautologous. Otherwise, sterling effort!
  
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  September 12, 2018 7:43pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rightoverlabour , which post?
    
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    September 12, 2018 7:49pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Actually “shot” and “assassinate” are distinct. First, you can survive being shot and it can also be accidental. Assassinate means murder so excludes those two possibilities.
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:22pm
Steve (North Shore)

Wow, Mike is back.
Where did you go the last few days Mike? Hiding under Jacinda’s skirts? You naughty boy.
Tell the truth, H1 got you by the neck right?
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September 12, 2018 7:09pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Steve:
  
  I think Mike was pulled out of retirement and appointed as Chief Document Shredder when Claire Curran vacated her office. It was short notice, and the hours are long and the pay is crap, but Mike has an overwhelming sense of pride in his public service ethic!
  
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  September 12, 2018 8:08pm
  - nasska
    
    He worries me that boy Nostra. I realise that having National in charge would have twisted his intestines & the incredible hours he put in to promote his paymasters’ version of facts would have taken a terrible toll.
    
    But now we have Chompers in control, the unions call the shots & all should be sweetness & light yet our friend still spits blood & tacks at all & sundry.
    
    What will appease him? How can we make his miserable life happy? 🙂
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:17pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      I think Mike is grumpy these days because deep inside he feels this burning desire to cross to the dark side – like RRM has done (admittedly over a period of some years). The Quarry Inn manager job was Mike’s way of distracting himself and postponing the inevitable!
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:22pm
      - nasska
        
        Yes…..RRM’s defection was the beginning of the end for the NZ Labour Party. Something to do with three kids, a missus & a couple of mortgages was behind it. When he crossed over to the dark side Micky Savage was spinning in his grave.
        
        Maybe if we crowd funded another brothel & fully utilised his skills Mike would return to being the upbeat, positive commenter we knew & loved. 🙂
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:30pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        RRM’s downfall was perhaps moving to Featherston. Irretrievable. Now resigned to cousin-marriages for his kids and the remainder of his lifetime of listening to the wind.
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:33pm
      - nasska
        
        Yes. Featherston is marginal but he tried & at least he made a step in the right direction. 🙂
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:36pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        RRM must have a busy schedule with all the comings and goings-on in Featherston:
        
        In 2015, Featherston joined the Booktown movement, and hosts an annual literary festival and other bookish events through the year. Other annual events include winter’s Time Traveller’s Ball, a summer series of Featherston First Friday community arts nights, and the Cross Creek Rail Society’s Mini Train Carnival.
        
        Unfortunately, my calendar is fully-booked until 2034, but I’ll try and find a 10-minute slot if RRM provides a favourable review!
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:41pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The Booktown thing shows promise, and the refurbished Royal Hotel and other new shops show that even Featherston can join the gentrification that has transformed the other South Wairarapa towns.
        Push the rail service through to Eketahuna and see what happens…
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:45pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mike:
        
        Push the rail service through to Eketahuna and see what happens…
        
        Redbaiter has been waiting for an opportunity to dust off his gold smartrider card and see Nasska and his family in Eketahuna. This could be his opportunity. Of course, we wouldn’t tell Redbaiter that Nasska sold up and left, nntil after Redbaiter walks up and down the main street a couple of times…
        
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        September 12, 2018 8:47pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I was re-energised by the prospect of earning this:
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-medal-public-service
    
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    September 12, 2018 8:31pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mike:
      
      The medal will be awarded to public servants who have provided service that has brought significant benefit or prestige to New Zealand or the Public Service, or who go above and beyond what is expected.
      
      Your Kiwiblog contributions (and goodness knows how many of them you’ve chalked up now – and the sheer grit and determination to keep us in line) may be enough to get you a double medal tally!
      
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      September 12, 2018 8:34pm
nasska

…..”The director general of the BBC has told MPs the broadcaster’s coverage of a police raid on the home of Sir Cliff Richard was over the top and had so far cost it more than £1.5m in costs and damages.”……

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/11/bbc-to-cut-back-online-services-to-fight-netflix-say-reports

The singer has been suffering from a lot of online abuse since the court case. He’s got himself some spying, talking, tweeting, stalking, living trolls.
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September 12, 2018 7:13pm
- Duxton
  
  Excellent! (The last line, that is.)
  
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  September 12, 2018 7:26pm
lifesgood

Soooooo! The police have withdrawn two charges against the labour camp sex pest. I smell a very big fat rat.
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September 12, 2018 8:48pm
- MrTips
  
  We’ll find out on March 19 next year I guess. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107027711/two-charges-dropped-against-man-accused-of-sexual-assaults-at-labour-party-summer-camp
  Labour have form on this kind of thing being made to go away.
  
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  September 12, 2018 9:08pm
ex-golfer

I can’t stand the duplicitous prick but its good to see Winston 1st pulling support for the proposed Crown/Maori Agency and Industrial Relations policies.

He is definitely showing who is in charge in this Government and just how weak Jacinda is.
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September 12, 2018 9:11pm
Jack5

More dividends of diversity:

Lincoln Tan in the Hooerald on big migration-and-marriage scam by Asian men. His report includes:

“Hundreds of South Asian men are entering into sham marriages for NZ residency and then using their status to extort dowry from women in their home countries, Auckland group Bhartiya Samaj Charitable Trust says.

What a gutless country NZ is when it comes to keeping a tight border. The Aussies are certain to slam shut the back door from NZ, which most of these migration crooks plan to use.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12123831
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September 12, 2018 9:16pm
Jack5

Mushrooms can solve plastic waste build-up, say scientists:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/12/mushrooms-could-solve-war-plastic-says-kew-gardens/
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September 12, 2018 10:03pm
ex-golfer

Tracey Martin out-does herself in the House tonight stating that parents wouldn’t even put their dogs in a partnership school.

Shows how much she cares for the hundreds of kids failed by the state school system that she supports, who were thriving under partnership schools.
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September 12, 2018 10:24pm
Hugh Pavletich

UPDATE … NEW ZEALAND: Christchurch … The Bureaucratically Buggered City … Continued …

… Mayor Lianne Dalziel finally decides to represent ratepayers … and refrain from protecting destructive bureaucrats …

Victory for residents as council promises inquiry into coastal consents fiasco | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/106898662/victory-for-residents-as-council-promises-inquiry-into-coastal-consents-fiasco

Christchurch mayor Lianne Dalziel has vowed to hold an independent inquiry into why a vital clause that would have made it easier to build houses in coastal communities was missed out of the city’s district plan.

Dalziel promised to “pull out the stops” to ensure the legislation is fixed and said the city council would take urgent action to get to the bottom of why it was overlooked in the first place.

At a 300-strong meeting in New Brighton on Tuesday she told residents the council was “absolutely committed” to resolving the problem as a “priority”. … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above …
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… Just more bureaucratic garbage … note the massive volume of scathing comments …

Thousands of jobs, billions of dollars of growth – the new blueprint to revitalise Christchurch … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106980047/thousands-of-jobs-billions-of-dollars-of-growth–the-new-blueprint-to-revitalise-christchurch
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… NEW ZEALAND: Christchurch … The Bureaucratically Buggered City … Continued …

… When will they learn ? …

… Community control is essential …

Posted at … (comprehensive) https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/general_debate_11_september_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2305608 … and … (shortened) https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-11-september-2018/#comment-3183076
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September 13, 2018 5:24am
Viking2

Here ya go.
Labour and its sexy whitewash.

A 20-year-old man accused of sexual assaults at a Labour Party summer camp has had two charges against him withdrawn.

The man was arrested in June and appeared in the Auckland District Court where he originally pleaded not guilty to six charges of indecent assault relating to four complainants.

The arrest came after allegations a man sexually assaulted four teenagers, aged 16 to 18 years old, during the Waihi camp in February.

On Wednesday, the man had two of the indecent assault charges withdrawn in front of Judge David Sharp. He is now facing four charges of indecent assault in total.

Judge Sharp also set down a trial date for March 18, 2019.

At the defendant’s first appearance, his lawyer Emma Priest sought interim name suppression, which was granted, and Judge Russell Collins continued that suppression at another appearance through until the end of trial or further resolution.

On Wednesday, Priest said she was frustrated with the police’s prosecution and said there were a number of witnesses who would be called during the trial.

“There was no principal reason why this was withdrawn at the 11th hour, significant time and taxpayers money has been spent on this,” Priest said.

The allegations were made public in March, which led to a police investigation, and a review of the party’s internal processes and policies.

In a statement in August, Labour Party President Nigel Haworth said a report commissioned after the Waitawheta Camp near Waihi in February had made a number of recommendations which would all be adopted.

The review included putting new parental consent and alcohol policies in place at future Young Labour events.

Labour has apologised for its handling of the matter.

– Stuff/Catrin Owen

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/188630-two-charges-dropped-labour-camp-assault-case.html

Not on either of the 2 rags, that I noticed.
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September 13, 2018 7:03am
Viking2

Hidden way down in the Auckland section.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107027711/two-charges-dropped-against-man-accused-of-sexual-assaults-at-labour-party-summer-camp
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